From acooper@cdt.org Mon May 13 09:51:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172E721F8EB9 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:51:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.620, BAYES_50=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CKas2nJxW6tB for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.maclaboratory.net (mail.maclaboratory.net [209.190.215.232]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2778621F8960 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 09:51:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Footer: Y2R0Lm9yZw== Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.maclaboratory.net (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits)) for mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:51:04 -0400 From: Alissa Cooper Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DA58169D-984D-4AF4-8FBC-F30C7D4CEFE9" Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:51:09 -0400 To: "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Subject: [Mentoring-coordinators] Kicking off mentoring-coordinators X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:51:18 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DA58169D-984D-4AF4-8FBC-F30C7D4CEFE9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, Welcome to the mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org mailing list. These are = the folks who have signed up as coordinators and who are on this list: Ron Bonica Ralph Droms Lars Eggert Leif Johansson Murray Kucherawy Robert Sparks Brian Haberman and myself are also subscribed and will be helping to get = the program going. Here is a sketch of how we envision the program = working: The secretariat will be building an IETF Mentoring page linked from the = main IETF site. The site will contain FAQs about the program and web = forms that allow people to sign up to be mentors or to be prot=E9g=E9s. = Our current thinking is to limit the prot=E9g=E9 pool to anyone who has = attended three or fewer IETF meetings, and to limit the mentor pool to = anyone who is nomcom eligible. We could change the prot=E9g=E9 limit in = the future, but since this is an experiment we'd like to keep it = somewhat limited for now and see how it works. Both the FAQs and the web = form fields are attached for your review and comment. IETF registration is already open. Our thinking was that we can start = soliciting mentors any time by sending a message to IETF-Announce. = Suggested text for that is included below. Once registration has been = open for awhile, we can then start soliciting prot=E9g=E9s by emailing = the IETF 87 newcomers' mailing list, and sending the same mail to = individuals who have attended fewer than 3 meetings (the secretariat can = determine who is in this group for us). It probably makes sense to set a deadline by which mentors and prot=E9g=E9= s need to sign up, after which you all can get to work doing the = matchings. Suggestions for a deadline? The secretariat will be building = a database to capture all of the info from the web forms. We're still = working out how to make that a collaborative tool so that you all can = work together on the matchings and see who has been matched already, = etc. If you have thoughts about good tools for this, feel free to share. Whether you want to stick to 1:1 matches or allow some 1:more-than-1 is = up to you and might depend on who you get signed up in both groups. Brian and I have also discussed opportunities to help mentors and = prot=E9g=E9s meet at the beginning of IETF week, perhaps in designated = areas at the newcomers' meet-and-greet. We're still mulling that over = but would appreciate your thoughts about that. One last question is whether the fact that you all are coordinating the = program should be made public. On one hand, it might be helpful for = people to not know that you're doing the matching, so that no one tries = to lobby you. Brian and I could certainly front all complaints/lobbying = in that regard. On the other hand, you will be spending some time on = this and so I can appreciate that you might want some recognition for = it. Would be interested in your thoughts about that. Let us know if you have questions. Thanks, Alissa ----------- Subject: IETF Mentor Program Hi all, Based on discussions during IETF 86, we are trialing an IETF = mentoring program. During this trial period, we would like to pair = those who are new to the IETF (people who have attended 3 or fewer = meetings) with existing IETF participants. The goal is to provide a = resource for the new people who can assist them with integrating into = the IETF community. Mentors and prot=E9g=E9s (who express an interest = in being mentored) will be paired prior to IETF 87. We cannot guarantee = that every mentor or prot=E9g=E9 will be matched, but we'll do our best. = If the trial goes well, there may be a variety of ways to expand the = program in the future. What we need is for people to volunteer to be mentors. As a mentor, = we would ask that you be willing to assist your prot=E9g=E9 before, = during, and (hopefully) after IETF 87. The actual level of interaction = will be driven by an agreement between the mentor and the mentee. = Additionally, we would need a brief description of your areas of = expertise, technical interests, and conversational languages. People interested in acting as mentors can volunteer by filling at = the form at ???. An FAQ for this trial program is available here: ???. Regards, Alissa & Brian --Apple-Mail=_DA58169D-984D-4AF4-8FBC-F30C7D4CEFE9 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=mentor_faq.txt Content-Type: text/plain; name="mentor_faq.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1. What is the IETF Mentoring Program? The goal of the IETF Mentoring Program is to match experienced IETF = participants with newcomers in order to aid their integration into the IETF community = through advice, help, and collected wisdom. The guidance provided by the mentors = should speed up the time it takes for newcomers to become active, contributing = members of the IETF. 2. What is an IETF mentor? A mentor plays the role of advisor, coach, teacher, and guide. The = combinations of roles allows a mentor to provide the guidance needed to assist his/her = protege in developing the skills needed to participate effectively within the IETF = standards process. 3. What skills are needed to be a mentor? The biggest skill needed is a willingness to share your knowledge of the = IETF with a protege. This can include explaining: 1) the IETF standards = development process, 2) the IETF management structure, 3) other IETF participants' skill = sets, and 4) the working group creation process. 4. How much time will being a mentor take? The amount of time is variable based on an agreement between the mentor = and the protege. It is hoped that the mentor/protege relationship extends beyond the = interactions during the face-to-face meetings. 5. Is the mentoring program restricted to certain kinds of people? Initially, the program is focused on proteges who are newcomers to the = IETF (people who have participated in three or fewer face-to-face meetings). If the = program progresses in a positive direction, we will explore opening up the program to all = participants. Anyone currently involved in the IETF is eligible to be a mentor. 6. How do I know if I am eligible to be a protege? When you register for a face-to-face meeting, the registration form will = determine if you are eligible and, if so, ask if you are interested in having a = mentor. 7. How are matches made between mentors and proteges? A small group of IETF participants have volunteered to act as = coordinators. The coordinators have areas of expertise and will work with the characteristics = identified by the protege to match them with a mentor who has similar interests and areas of work. 8. What makes a good mentor? A successful mentor will be flexible, responsive, and willing to take = the initiative to provide guidance to a protege. A mentor should have the confidence that = they have useful knowledge that will aid a protege. Experience in the IETF culture will = allow the mentor to recognize areas where newcomers will struggle within the IETF and = allow the mentor to pass along constructive information. This is especially key in the = areas of cultural norms and the IETF environment. 9. What happens after a mentor and protege are matched? Once a match has been made, the mentor should initiate contact with the = protege. After that, the interactions are up to the mentor and protege. Useful = interactions will vary based on the needs of the protege and the skills of the mentor. In the = event that a mentor/protege is unresponsive or the pair decide that the match is not = constructive, the coordinators can be contacted to request a new pairing. 10. What if my protege has a question that I cannot answer? When someone volunteers to be a mentor, they will be added to a mentors = mailing list. One of the goals of this list is to provide a discussion forum for the = mentors to brainstorm over problems raised by a protege that couldn't be = immediately answered. It is also expected that mentors will not know all the answers, but should = be in a good position to point the protege in the right direction. This includes = assisting the protege in searching out the answer to the question. 11. How does the mentoring program work? During IETF meeting registration, newcomers will be identified and given = the opportunity to request a mentor. After the request is made, the mentor coordinators = will assess the areas of interest of the newcomer and select a mentor from a pool of = volunteers. The mentor will be selected based on areas of common interest between the = mentor and protege. After the match is made, an introductory e-mail will be sent to the = mentor and protege in order to provide contact information. After that, it is up to the = mentor and protege to determine how the relationship will progress. After the face-to-face = IETF meeting, the mentor program will send out a brief questionnaire to determine how well = the program is functioning. 12. As a protege, what should I get out of the relationship? Ideally, a protege will come away with a better understanding of the = IETF, knowledge of the standards development process, and someone to turn to when questions = arise. Each protege's needs will be different and the mentoring program should be = flexible enough to assist with those needs. 13. What does it take to be a good protege? The biggest key is being willing to learn. The IETF community can be = different, so a protege should be willing to listen to a different perspective (the = mentor's). A protege should also be proactive in asking questions so that the relationship is = driven by the protege's needs and not the mentor's view. --Apple-Mail=_DA58169D-984D-4AF4-8FBC-F30C7D4CEFE9 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mentor and mentee forms.txt" Content-Type: text/plain; name="mentor and mentee forms.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Protege sign-up First name: Last name: Email address: Affiliation: Country in which you are based: Is this your first IETF? If not, how many IETF meetings have you attended? What technical topic(s) brought you to the IETF? IETF area(s) of interest, if known (see = http://www.ietf.org/iesg/area.html for more info): IETF working groups of interest, if known: (see http://www.ietf.org/wg/ = for more info): What are your preferred conversational language(s), if not English? Would you like to be paired with a mentor who speaks your preferred = language(s), if possible? [Yes/No/Indifferent] Do you have a preference as to your mentor's gender? [M/F/Either] Do you plan to attend the newcomers' meet-and-greet on Sunday at 16:00? Do you plan to attend the welcome reception on Sunday at 17:00? Any other info you'd like to share: --------- Mentor sign-up First name: Last name: Email address: Affiliation: Country in which you are based: Gender: [M/F] IETF area(s) of expertise: IETF WGs that you are familiar with: How many years have you been participating in the IETF? What languages other than English would you be comfortable conversing in = with your protege? Do you plan to attend the newcomers' meet-and-greet on Sunday at 16:00? Do you plan to attend the welcome reception on Sunday at 17:00? Any other info you'd like to share: --Apple-Mail=_DA58169D-984D-4AF4-8FBC-F30C7D4CEFE9-- From rjsparks@nostrum.com Mon May 13 11:12:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BBC21F90EE for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:12:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KOVz5gQNoKU2 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaman.nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931A721F90C1 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 11:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (mobile-166-147-071-029.mycingular.net [166.147.71.29]) (authenticated bits=0) by shaman.nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r4DICcsB087186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 13:12:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <51912D11.8030904@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:12:33 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010702070001060603070603" Received-SPF: pass (shaman.nostrum.com: 166.147.71.29 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Kicking off mentoring-coordinators X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 18:12:43 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010702070001060603070603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 5/13/13 11:51 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote: > Hi all, > > Welcome to the mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org mailing list. These are the folks who have signed up as coordinators and who are on this list: > > Ron Bonica > Ralph Droms > Lars Eggert > Leif Johansson > Murray Kucherawy > Robert Sparks > > Brian Haberman and myself are also subscribed and will be helping to get the program going. Here is a sketch of how we envision the program working: > > The secretariat will be building an IETF Mentoring page linked from the main IETF site. The site will contain FAQs about the program and web forms that allow people to sign up to be mentors or to be protégés. Our current thinking is to limit the protégé pool to anyone who has attended three or fewer IETF meetings, and to limit the mentor pool to anyone who is nomcom eligible. We could change the protégé limit in the future, but since this is an experiment we'd like to keep it somewhat limited for now and see how it works. Both the FAQs and the web form fields are attached for your review and comment. > > IETF registration is already open. Our thinking was that we can start soliciting mentors any time by sending a message to IETF-Announce. Suggested text for that is included below. Once registration has been open for awhile, we can then start soliciting protégés by emailing the IETF 87 newcomers' mailing list, and sending the same mail to individuals who have attended fewer than 3 meetings (the secretariat can determine who is in this group for us). > > It probably makes sense to set a deadline by which mentors and protégés need to sign up, after which you all can get to work doing the matchings. Suggestions for a deadline? I'm not sure we would need the whole set before we started matching - maybe we have, and advertise, a date at which we would start (to drive early signup), but do matching up to and at the IETF meeting? I would suggest that start date be 1 or two weeks before the -00 deadline. > The secretariat will be building a database to capture all of the info from the web forms. We're still working out how to make that a collaborative tool so that you all can work together on the matchings and see who has been matched already, etc. If you have thoughts about good tools for this, feel free to share. It's dangerous to build too much tool when you're still trying to figure out what you really want to be doing - it can cause you to accidentally get stuck with a behavior you don't really need. I would strongly suggest just starting with a wiki and more manual effort than you want in the long run until we know what a tool really needs to help with. > > Whether you want to stick to 1:1 matches or allow some 1:more-than-1 is up to you and might depend on who you get signed up in both groups. > > Brian and I have also discussed opportunities to help mentors and protégés meet at the beginning of IETF week, perhaps in designated areas at the newcomers' meet-and-greet. We're still mulling that over but would appreciate your thoughts about that. > > One last question is whether the fact that you all are coordinating the program should be made public. On one hand, it might be helpful for people to not know that you're doing the matching, so that no one tries to lobby you. Brian and I could certainly front all complaints/lobbying in that regard. On the other hand, you will be spending some time on this and so I can appreciate that you might want some recognition for it. Would be interested in your thoughts about that. When in doubt, fail open. > > Let us know if you have questions. > > Thanks, > Alissa > > ----------- > > Subject: IETF Mentor Program > > Hi all, > Based on discussions during IETF 86, we are trialing an IETF mentoring program. During this trial period, we would like to pair those who are new to the IETF (people who have attended 3 or fewer meetings) with existing IETF participants. The goal is to provide a resource for the new people who can assist them with integrating into the IETF community. Mentors and protégés (who express an interest in being mentored) will be paired prior to IETF 87. We cannot guarantee that every mentor or protégé will be matched, but we'll do our best. If the trial goes well, there may be a variety of ways to expand the program in the future. > > What we need is for people to volunteer to be mentors. As a mentor, we would ask that you be willing to assist your protégé before, during, and (hopefully) after IETF 87. The actual level of interaction will be driven by an agreement between the mentor and the mentee. Additionally, we would need a brief description of your areas of expertise, technical interests, and conversational languages. > > People interested in acting as mentors can volunteer by filling at the form at ???. An FAQ for this trial program is available here: ???. > > Regards, > Alissa & Brian On the signup forms - consider asking both mentors and protoges (I'm worried how the community will react to the term btw) are active in any other SDOs, and if they have any non-IETF activities they are passionate about. RjS > > > > _______________________________________________ > mentoring-coordinators mailing list > mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators --------------010702070001060603070603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 5/13/13 11:51 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi all,

Welcome to the mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org mailing list. These are the folks who have signed up as coordinators and who are on this list:

Ron Bonica
Ralph Droms
Lars Eggert
Leif Johansson
Murray Kucherawy
Robert Sparks

Brian Haberman and myself are also subscribed and will be helping to get the program going. Here is a sketch of how we envision the program working:

The secretariat will be building an IETF Mentoring page linked from the main IETF site. The site will contain FAQs about the program and web forms that allow people to sign up to be mentors or to be protégés. Our current thinking is to limit the protégé pool to anyone who has attended three or fewer IETF meetings, and to limit the mentor pool to anyone who is nomcom eligible. We could change the protégé limit in the future, but since this is an experiment we'd like to keep it somewhat limited for now and see how it works. Both the FAQs and the web form fields are attached for your review and comment.

IETF registration is already open. Our thinking was that we can start soliciting mentors any time by sending a message to IETF-Announce. Suggested text for that is included below. Once registration has been open for awhile, we can then start soliciting protégés by emailing the IETF 87 newcomers' mailing list, and sending the same mail to individuals who have attended fewer than 3 meetings (the secretariat can determine who is in this group for us).

It probably makes sense to set a deadline by which mentors and protégés need to sign up, after which you all can get to work doing the matchings. Suggestions for a deadline?
I'm not sure we would need the whole set before we started matching - maybe we have, and advertise, a date at which we would start
(to drive early signup), but do matching up to and at the IETF meeting? I would suggest that start date be 1 or two weeks before the -00 deadline.

The secretariat will be building a database to capture all of the info from the web forms. We're still working out how to make that a collaborative tool so that you all can work together on the matchings and see who has been matched already, etc. If you have thoughts about good tools for this, feel free to share.
It's dangerous to build too much tool when you're still trying to figure out what you really want to be doing - it can cause you to accidentally get stuck with a behavior you don't really need. I would strongly suggest just starting with a wiki and more manual effort than you want in the long run until we know what a tool really needs to help with.

Whether you want to stick to 1:1 matches or allow some 1:more-than-1 is up to you and might depend on who you get signed up in both groups.

Brian and I have also discussed opportunities to help mentors and protégés meet at the beginning of IETF week, perhaps in designated areas at the newcomers' meet-and-greet. We're still mulling that over but would appreciate your thoughts about that.

One last question is whether the fact that you all are coordinating the program should be made public. On one hand, it might be helpful for people to not know that you're doing the matching, so that no one tries to lobby you. Brian and I could certainly front all complaints/lobbying in that regard. On the other hand, you will be spending some time on this and so I can appreciate that you might want some recognition for it. Would be interested in your thoughts about that.
When in doubt, fail open.


Let us know if you have questions.

Thanks,
Alissa

-----------

Subject: IETF Mentor Program

Hi all,
    Based on discussions during IETF 86, we are trialing an IETF mentoring program.  During this trial period, we would like to pair those who are new to the IETF (people who have attended 3 or fewer meetings) with existing IETF participants.  The goal is to provide a resource for the new people who can assist them with integrating into the IETF community.  Mentors and protégés (who express an interest in being mentored) will be paired prior to IETF 87. We cannot guarantee that every mentor or protégé will be matched, but we'll do our best. If the trial goes well, there may be a variety of ways to expand the program in the future.

    What we need is for people to volunteer to be mentors. As a mentor, we would ask that you be willing to assist your protégé before, during, and (hopefully) after IETF 87.  The actual level of interaction will be driven by an agreement between the mentor and the mentee. Additionally, we would need a brief description of your areas of expertise, technical interests, and conversational languages.

    People interested in acting as mentors can volunteer by filling at the form at ???.  An FAQ for this trial program is available here: ???.

Regards,
Alissa & Brian

On the signup forms - consider asking both mentors and protoges (I'm worried how the community will react to the term btw) are active in any other SDOs, and if they have any non-IETF activities they are passionate about.

RjS




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([2001:6b0:7:0:cd46:9d41:616d:a623]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jz9sm3579226bkb.1.2013.05.14.05.37.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 May 2013 05:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51922FFB.4070302@mnt.se> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 14:37:15 +0200 From: Leif Johansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130404 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org References: <51912D11.8030904@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <51912D11.8030904@nostrum.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030402040202050304010307" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlxI2Uc8uV8Fmljt7HtN+0eBZFwAY2dff2iHEDXEAfCv1XFADUMVrcSiHRAiQsvyUVmcidY Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Kicking off mentoring-coordinators X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 12:37:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030402040202050304010307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 05/13/2013 08:12 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > On 5/13/13 11:51 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Welcome to the mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org mailing list. These are the folks who have signed up as coordinators and who are on this list: >> >> Ron Bonica >> Ralph Droms >> Lars Eggert >> Leif Johansson >> Murray Kucherawy >> Robert Sparks >> >> Brian Haberman and myself are also subscribed and will be helping to get the program going. Here is a sketch of how we envision the program working: >> >> The secretariat will be building an IETF Mentoring page linked from the main IETF site. The site will contain FAQs about the program and web forms that allow people to sign up to be mentors or to be protégés. Our current thinking is to limit the protégé pool to anyone who has attended three or fewer IETF meetings, and to limit the mentor pool to anyone who is nomcom eligible. We could change the protégé limit in the future, but since this is an experiment we'd like to keep it somewhat limited for now and see how it works. Both the FAQs and the web form fields are attached for your review and comment. >> >> IETF registration is already open. Our thinking was that we can start soliciting mentors any time by sending a message to IETF-Announce. Suggested text for that is included below. Once registration has been open for awhile, we can then start soliciting protégés by emailing the IETF 87 newcomers' mailing list, and sending the same mail to individuals who have attended fewer than 3 meetings (the secretariat can determine who is in this group for us). >> >> It probably makes sense to set a deadline by which mentors and protégés need to sign up, after which you all can get to work doing the matchings. Suggestions for a deadline? > I'm not sure we would need the whole set before we started matching - > maybe we have, and advertise, a date at which we would start > (to drive early signup), but do matching up to and at the IETF > meeting? I would suggest that start date be 1 or two weeks before the > -00 deadline. sounds reasonable, how many mentorees are we expecting? > >> The secretariat will be building a database to capture all of the info from the web forms. We're still working out how to make that a collaborative tool so that you all can work together on the matchings and see who has been matched already, etc. If you have thoughts about good tools for this, feel free to share. > It's dangerous to build too much tool when you're still trying to > figure out what you really want to be doing - it can cause you to > accidentally get stuck with a behavior you don't really need. I would > strongly suggest just starting with a wiki and more manual effort than > you want in the long run until we know what a tool really needs to > help with. agree fully. >> Whether you want to stick to 1:1 matches or allow some 1:more-than-1 is up to you and might depend on who you get signed up in both groups. >> >> Brian and I have also discussed opportunities to help mentors and protégés meet at the beginning of IETF week, perhaps in designated areas at the newcomers' meet-and-greet. We're still mulling that over but would appreciate your thoughts about that. >> >> One last question is whether the fact that you all are coordinating the program should be made public. On one hand, it might be helpful for people to not know that you're doing the matching, so that no one tries to lobby you. Brian and I could certainly front all complaints/lobbying in that regard. On the other hand, you will be spending some time on this and so I can appreciate that you might want some recognition for it. Would be interested in your thoughts about that. > When in doubt, fail open. > +1 >> Let us know if you have questions. >> >> Thanks, >> Alissa >> >> ----------- >> >> Subject: IETF Mentor Program >> >> Hi all, >> Based on discussions during IETF 86, we are trialing an IETF mentoring program. During this trial period, we would like to pair those who are new to the IETF (people who have attended 3 or fewer meetings) with existing IETF participants. The goal is to provide a resource for the new people who can assist them with integrating into the IETF community. Mentors and protégés (who express an interest in being mentored) will be paired prior to IETF 87. We cannot guarantee that every mentor or protégé will be matched, but we'll do our best. If the trial goes well, there may be a variety of ways to expand the program in the future. >> >> What we need is for people to volunteer to be mentors. As a mentor, we would ask that you be willing to assist your protégé before, during, and (hopefully) after IETF 87. The actual level of interaction will be driven by an agreement between the mentor and the mentee. Additionally, we would need a brief description of your areas of expertise, technical interests, and conversational languages. >> >> People interested in acting as mentors can volunteer by filling at the form at ???. An FAQ for this trial program is available here: ???. >> >> Regards, >> Alissa & Brian > > On the signup forms - consider asking both mentors and protoges (I'm > worried how the community will react to the term btw) are active in > any other SDOs, and if they have any non-IETF activities they are > passionate about. > > RjS >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mentoring-coordinators mailing list >> mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators > > > > _______________________________________________ > mentoring-coordinators mailing list > mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators --------------030402040202050304010307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 05/13/2013 08:12 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:
On 5/13/13 11:51 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi all,

Welcome to the mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org mailing list. These are the folks who have signed up as coordinators and who are on this list:

Ron Bonica
Ralph Droms
Lars Eggert
Leif Johansson
Murray Kucherawy
Robert Sparks

Brian Haberman and myself are also subscribed and will be helping to get the program going. Here is a sketch of how we envision the program working:

The secretariat will be building an IETF Mentoring page linked from the main IETF site. The site will contain FAQs about the program and web forms that allow people to sign up to be mentors or to be protégés. Our current thinking is to limit the protégé pool to anyone who has attended three or fewer IETF meetings, and to limit the mentor pool to anyone who is nomcom eligible. We could change the protégé limit in the future, but since this is an experiment we'd like to keep it somewhat limited for now and see how it works. Both the FAQs and the web form fields are attached for your review and comment.

IETF registration is already open. Our thinking was that we can start soliciting mentors any time by sending a message to IETF-Announce. Suggested text for that is included below. Once registration has been open for awhile, we can then start soliciting protégés by emailing the IETF 87 newcomers' mailing list, and sending the same mail to individuals who have attended fewer than 3 meetings (the secretariat can determine who is in this group for us).

It probably makes sense to set a deadline by which mentors and protégés need to sign up, after which you all can get to work doing the matchings. Suggestions for a deadline?
I'm not sure we would need the whole set before we started matching - maybe we have, and advertise, a date at which we would start
(to drive early signup), but do matching up to and at the IETF meeting? I would suggest that start date be 1 or two weeks before the -00 deadline.

sounds reasonable, how many mentorees are we expecting?



The secretariat will be building a database to capture all of the info from the web forms. We're still working out how to make that a collaborative tool so that you all can work together on the matchings and see who has been matched already, etc. If you have thoughts about good tools for this, feel free to share.
It's dangerous to build too much tool when you're still trying to figure out what you really want to be doing - it can cause you to accidentally get stuck with a behavior you don't really need. I would strongly suggest just starting with a wiki and more manual effort than you want in the long run until we know what a tool really needs to help with.

agree fully. 

Whether you want to stick to 1:1 matches or allow some 1:more-than-1 is up to you and might depend on who you get signed up in both groups.

Brian and I have also discussed opportunities to help mentors and protégés meet at the beginning of IETF week, perhaps in designated areas at the newcomers' meet-and-greet. We're still mulling that over but would appreciate your thoughts about that.

One last question is whether the fact that you all are coordinating the program should be made public. On one hand, it might be helpful for people to not know that you're doing the matching, so that no one tries to lobby you. Brian and I could certainly front all complaints/lobbying in that regard. On the other hand, you will be spending some time on this and so I can appreciate that you might want some recognition for it. Would be interested in your thoughts about that.
When in doubt, fail open.


+1
Let us know if you have questions.

Thanks,
Alissa

-----------

Subject: IETF Mentor Program

Hi all,
    Based on discussions during IETF 86, we are trialing an IETF mentoring program.  During this trial period, we would like to pair those who are new to the IETF (people who have attended 3 or fewer meetings) with existing IETF participants.  The goal is to provide a resource for the new people who can assist them with integrating into the IETF community.  Mentors and protégés (who express an interest in being mentored) will be paired prior to IETF 87. We cannot guarantee that every mentor or protégé will be matched, but we'll do our best. If the trial goes well, there may be a variety of ways to expand the program in the future.

    What we need is for people to volunteer to be mentors. As a mentor, we would ask that you be willing to assist your protégé before, during, and (hopefully) after IETF 87.  The actual level of interaction will be driven by an agreement between the mentor and the mentee. Additionally, we would need a brief description of your areas of expertise, technical interests, and conversational languages.

    People interested in acting as mentors can volunteer by filling at the form at ???.  An FAQ for this trial program is available here: ???.

Regards,
Alissa & Brian

On the signup forms - consider asking both mentors and protoges (I'm worried how the community will react to the term btw) are active in any other SDOs, and if they have any non-IETF activities they are passionate about.

RjS

        

        

        

        
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Hi,

On May 13, 2013, at 20:12, Robert Sparks  wrote:
> On 5/13/13 11:51 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
>> The secretariat will be building an IETF Mentoring page linked from the =
main IETF site. The site will contain FAQs about the program and web forms =
that allow people to sign up to be mentors or to be prot=E9g=E9s. Our curre=
nt thinking is to limit the prot=E9g=E9 pool to anyone who has attended thr=
ee or fewer IETF meetings, and to limit the mentor pool to anyone who is no=
mcom eligible. We could change the prot=E9g=E9 limit in the future, but sin=
ce this is an experiment we'd like to keep it somewhat limited for now and =
see how it works. Both the FAQs and the web form fields are attached for yo=
ur review and comment.

during the IAB retreat, the point was brought up that it would be helpful t=
hat mentors could recall their first exposure to the IETF clearly, i.e., ma=
ybe not the folks who have been coming for 20 years. But we don't need to h=
ave a hard rule here, we can just take this into account when we do the mat=
ching.

>> IETF registration is already open. Our thinking was that we can start so=
liciting mentors any time by sending a message to IETF-Announce. Suggested =
text for that is included below. Once registration has been open for awhile=
, we can then start soliciting prot=E9g=E9s by emailing the IETF 87 newcome=
rs' mailing list, and sending the same mail to individuals who have attende=
d fewer than 3 meetings (the secretariat can determine who is in this group=
 for us).

As I said during the retreat, I think a personalized message from the IETF =
chair to each individual potential protege would probably look better than =
(just) an email to the attendee list (which not all are on anyway). Being o=
ffered a mentor needs to be seen as something of value, which is more stron=
gly conveyed in a message sent in Jari's name IMO.

>> It probably makes sense to set a deadline by which mentors and prot=E9g=
=E9s need to sign up, after which you all can get to work doing the matchin=
gs. Suggestions for a deadline?

> I'm not sure we would need the whole set before we started matching - may=
be we have, and advertise, a date at which we would start
> (to drive early signup), but do matching up to and at the IETF meeting? I=
 would suggest that start date be 1 or two weeks before the -00 deadline.

Sounds reasonable.

>> The secretariat will be building a database to capture all of the info f=
rom the web forms. We're still working out how to make that a collaborative=
 tool so that you all can work together on the matchings and see who has be=
en matched already, etc. If you have thoughts about good tools for this, fe=
el free to share.
> It's dangerous to build too much tool when you're still trying to figure =
out what you really want to be doing - it can cause you to accidentally get=
 stuck with a behavior you don't really need. I would strongly suggest just=
 starting with a wiki and more manual effort than you want in the long run =
until we know what a tool really needs to help with.

+1 on this, a (private) wiki is fine

>> Whether you want to stick to 1:1 matches or allow some 1:more-than-1 is =
up to you and might depend on who you get signed up in both groups.

IMO 1:1 makes the most sense, except for corner cases (two new attendees fr=
om the same company interested in the same topic, etc.)

>> Brian and I have also discussed opportunities to help mentors and prot=
=E9g=E9s meet at the beginning of IETF week, perhaps in designated areas at=
 the newcomers' meet-and-greet. We're still mulling that over but would app=
reciate your thoughts about that.

Definitely at the newcomer's beer. Maybe they can open 30 min early for men=
tors and proteges?

>> One last question is whether the fact that you all are coordinating the =
program should be made public. On one hand, it might be helpful for people =
to not know that you're doing the matching, so that no one tries to lobby y=
ou. Brian and I could certainly front all complaints/lobbying in that regar=
d. On the other hand, you will be spending some time on this and so I can a=
ppreciate that you might want some recognition for it. Would be interested =
in your thoughts about that.

> When in doubt, fail open.

No problem with that.

>> Subject: IETF Mentor Program
>>=20
>> Hi all,
>>     Based on discussions during IETF 86, we are trialing an IETF mentori=
ng program.  During this trial period, we would like to pair those who are =
new to the IETF (people who have attended 3 or fewer meetings) with existin=
g IETF participants.  The goal is to provide a resource for the new people =
who can assist them with integrating into the

s/a resource/a contact person/

>> IETF community.  Mentors and prot=E9g=E9s (who express an interest in be=
ing mentored) will be paired prior to IETF 87. We cannot guarantee that eve=
ry mentor or prot=E9g=E9 will be matched, but we'll do our best. If the tri=
al goes well, there may be a variety of ways to expand the program in the f=
uture.
>>=20
>>     What we need is for people to volunteer to be mentors. As a mentor, =
we would ask that you be willing to assist your prot=E9g=E9 before, during,=
 and (hopefully) after IETF 87.  The actual level of interaction will be dr=
iven by an agreement between the mentor and the mentee. Additionally, we wo=
uld need a brief description of your areas of expertise, technical interest=
s, and conversational languages.

I think we want to say a bit more than just "the actual level of interactio=
n will be driven by an agreement between the mentor and the mentee". We can=
 say that examples of mentoring include accompanying the mentee during the =
week, introducing them to folks they want to meet, explaining what's going =
on both in session and elsewhere, taking them to dinners, etc.

>>     People interested in acting as mentors can volunteer by filling at t=
he form at ???.  An FAQ for this trial program is available here: ???.
>>=20
>> Regards,
>> Alissa & Brian
>=20
> On the signup forms - consider asking both mentors and protoges (I'm worr=
ied how the community will react to the term btw) are active in any other S=
DOs, and if they have any non-IETF activities they are passionate about.

+1 on the term protege, but mentee is also bad. We need a good term here th=
at sounds selective. (I want proteges to be able to say to their bosses "I =
got picked for this special thing, so you should send me again")

Lars=

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Hi,

I'd like to add an addition/modification to the mentoring program. That is,=
 everyone who registers at the student rate gets offered a mentor, independ=
ent of if they have attended more than three times.

I think that makes sense, because these are young folks that would benefit =
a lot from mentoring, maybe more so than someone new with a company affilia=
tion. And we have to few young folks and too few university folks.

Lars=

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On May 14, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Leif Johansson  wrote:

>>>=20
>>> It probably makes sense to set a deadline by which mentors and =
prot=E9g=E9s need to sign up, after which you all can get to work doing =
the matchings. Suggestions for a deadline?=20
>>>=20
>> I'm not sure we would need the whole set before we started matching - =
maybe we have, and advertise, a date at which we would start
>> (to drive early signup), but do matching up to and at the IETF =
meeting? I would suggest that start date be 1 or two weeks before the =
-00 deadline.
>=20
> sounds reasonable, how many mentorees are we expecting?

No idea. We'll know better after this trial!

So, let's say July 1 for start date?

>=20
>=20
>>=20
>>> The secretariat will be building a database to capture all of the =
info from the web forms. We're still working out how to make that a =
collaborative tool so that you all can work together on the matchings =
and see who has been matched already, etc. If you have thoughts about =
good tools for this, feel free to share.
>> It's dangerous to build too much tool when you're still trying to =
figure out what you really want to be doing - it can cause you to =
accidentally get stuck with a behavior you don't really need. I would =
strongly suggest just starting with a wiki and more manual effort than =
you want in the long run until we know what a tool really needs to help =
with.
>=20
> agree fully.=20

Alright, will let the secretariat know.

>=20
>>> Whether you want to stick to 1:1 matches or allow some 1:more-than-1 =
is up to you and might depend on who you get signed up in both groups.
>>>=20
>>> Brian and I have also discussed opportunities to help mentors and =
prot=E9g=E9s meet at the beginning of IETF week, perhaps in designated =
areas at the newcomers' meet-and-greet. We're still mulling that over =
but would appreciate your thoughts about that.
>>>=20
>>> One last question is whether the fact that you all are coordinating =
the program should be made public. On one hand, it might be helpful for =
people to not know that you're doing the matching, so that no one tries =
to lobby you. Brian and I could certainly front all complaints/lobbying =
in that regard. On the other hand, you will be spending some time on =
this and so I can appreciate that you might want some recognition for =
it. Would be interested in your thoughts about that.
>>>=20
>> When in doubt, fail open.
>>=20
>=20
> +1

Sounds good. In that case I think it would make sense to include your =
names in the mentor solicitation below.

Alissa

>>> Let us know if you have questions.
>>>=20
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alissa
>>>=20
>>> -----------
>>>=20
>>> Subject: IETF Mentor Program
>>>=20
>>> Hi all,
>>>     Based on discussions during IETF 86, we are trialing an IETF =
mentoring program.  During this trial period, we would like to pair =
those who are new to the IETF (people who have attended 3 or fewer =
meetings) with existing IETF participants.  The goal is to provide a =
resource for the new people who can assist them with integrating into =
the IETF community.  Mentors and prot=E9g=E9s (who express an interest =
in being mentored) will be paired prior to IETF 87. We cannot guarantee =
that every mentor or prot=E9g=E9 will be matched, but we'll do our best. =
If the trial goes well, there may be a variety of ways to expand the =
program in the future.
>>>=20
>>>     What we need is for people to volunteer to be mentors. As a =
mentor, we would ask that you be willing to assist your prot=E9g=E9 =
before, during, and (hopefully) after IETF 87.  The actual level of =
interaction will be driven by an agreement between the mentor and the =
mentee. Additionally, we would need a brief description of your areas of =
expertise, technical interests, and conversational languages.
>>>=20
>>>     People interested in acting as mentors can volunteer by filling =
at the form at ???.  An FAQ for this trial program is available here: =
???.
>>>=20
>>> Regards,
>>> Alissa & Brian
>>>=20
>>=20
>> On the signup forms - consider asking both mentors and protoges (I'm =
worried how the community will react to the term btw) are active in any =
other SDOs, and if they have any non-IETF activities they are passionate =
about.
>>=20
>> RjS
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> mentoring-coordinators mailing list
>>>=20
>>> mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
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>>=20
>> mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators
>=20
> _______________________________________________
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On May 13, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Robert Sparks  wrote:

>> On the signup forms - consider asking both mentors and protoges (I'm =
worried how the community will react to the term btw) are active in any =
other SDOs, and if they have any non-IETF activities they are passionate =
about.

We have gone around a few times on the term for people being mentored -- =
"mentees," "proteges," "newcomers." None of them seem quite right. Send =
suggestions if you have them.

Agree on asking about other SDOs and non-IETF activities.

Alissa




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On 5/15/13 10:41 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
> On May 13, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Robert Sparks  wrote:
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>>> On the signup forms - consider asking both mentors and protoges (I'm worried how the community will react to the term btw) are active in any other SDOs, and if they have any non-IETF activities they are passionate about.
> We have gone around a few times on the term for people being mentored -- "mentees," "proteges," "newcomers." None of them seem quite right. Send suggestions if you have them.
Brainstorming (assisted by a random walk through a few thesaurus sites):

rookie, tenderfoot, enthusiast, scholar, learner

(fwiw - several sites went out of their way to show different gender 
forms for protégé)
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> Agree on asking about other SDOs and non-IETF activities.
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> Alissa
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We have gone around a few times on the term for people being mentored -- "mentees," "proteges," "newcomers." None of them seem quite right. Send suggestions if you have them.

    

    Brainstorming (assisted by a random walk through a few thesaurus
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    rookie, tenderfoot, enthusiast, scholar, learner

    

    (fwiw - several sites went out of their way to show different gender
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On May 15, 2013, at 19:43, Robert Sparks  wrote:
> rookie, tenderfoot, enthusiast, scholar, learner

talent
newbie
hopeful
fellow
trainee

Another thought: For new hires at NetApp, we assign a buddy. Both the mento=
r and the protege are simply called buddies. It's kinda nice, because it im=
plies some sort of equivalence between the two rather than a hierarchy.

Lars=

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On 05/16/2013 09:01 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote:
> On May 15, 2013, at 19:43, Robert Sparks  wrote:
>> rookie, tenderfoot, enthusiast, scholar, learner
> talent
> newbie
> hopeful
> fellow
> trainee
>
> Another thought: For new hires at NetApp, we assign a buddy. Both the mentor and the protege are simply called buddies. It's kinda nice, because it implies some sort of equivalence between the two rather than a hierarchy.
>
>
The social context of an employee is quite different from that of an IETF
"greenhorn". I think we want to avoid terms that could have (even the
slightest) perojative connotation.

        MVH leifj

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What if we just call them participants? We could have mentors and =
mentoring participants.

On May 16, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Leif Johansson  wrote:

> On 05/16/2013 09:01 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote:
>> On May 15, 2013, at 19:43, Robert Sparks  =
wrote:
>>> rookie, tenderfoot, enthusiast, scholar, learner
>> talent
>> newbie
>> hopeful
>> fellow
>> trainee
>>=20
>> Another thought: For new hires at NetApp, we assign a buddy. Both the =
mentor and the protege are simply called buddies. It's kinda nice, =
because it implies some sort of equivalence between the two rather than =
a hierarchy.
>>=20
>>=20
> The social context of an employee is quite different from that of an =
IETF
> "greenhorn". I think we want to avoid terms that could have (even the
> slightest) perojative connotation.
>=20
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16 maj 2013 kl. 15:28 skrev Alissa Cooper :

> What if we just call them participants? We could have mentors and mentorin=
g participants.

good & simple

>=20
> On May 16, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Leif Johansson  wrote:
>=20
>> On 05/16/2013 09:01 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote:
>>> On May 15, 2013, at 19:43, Robert Sparks  wrote:
>>>> rookie, tenderfoot, enthusiast, scholar, learner
>>> talent
>>> newbie
>>> hopeful
>>> fellow
>>> trainee
>>>=20
>>> Another thought: For new hires at NetApp, we assign a buddy. Both the me=
ntor and the protege are simply called buddies. It's kinda nice, because it i=
mplies some sort of equivalence between the two rather than a hierarchy.
>> The social context of an employee is quite different from that of an IETF
>> "greenhorn". I think we want to avoid terms that could have (even the
>> slightest) perojative connotation.
>>=20
>>       MVH leifj
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>> mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org
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On May 16, 2013, at 9:37 AM 5/16/13, Leif Johansson  =
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>=20
>=20
> 16 maj 2013 kl. 15:28 skrev Alissa Cooper :
>=20
>> What if we just call them participants? We could have mentors and =
mentoring participants.
>=20
> good & simple

I agree ... I haven't been able to come up with a better alternative. =20=


- Ralph

>=20
>>=20
>> On May 16, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Leif Johansson  wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 05/16/2013 09:01 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote:
>>>> On May 15, 2013, at 19:43, Robert Sparks  =
wrote:
>>>>> rookie, tenderfoot, enthusiast, scholar, learner
>>>> talent
>>>> newbie
>>>> hopeful
>>>> fellow
>>>> trainee
>>>>=20
>>>> Another thought: For new hires at NetApp, we assign a buddy. Both =
the mentor and the protege are simply called buddies. It's kinda nice, =
because it implies some sort of equivalence between the two rather than =
a hierarchy.
>>> The social context of an employee is quite different from that of an =
IETF
>>> "greenhorn". I think we want to avoid terms that could have (even =
the
>>> slightest) perojative connotation.
>>>=20
>>>      MVH leifj
>>> _______________________________________________
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On May 15, 2013, at 11:39 AM 5/15/13, Alissa Cooper  =
wrote:

>=20
> On May 14, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Leif Johansson  wrote:
>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> It probably makes sense to set a deadline by which mentors and =
prot=E9g=E9s need to sign up, after which you all can get to work doing =
the matchings. Suggestions for a deadline?=20
>>>>=20
>>> I'm not sure we would need the whole set before we started matching =
- maybe we have, and advertise, a date at which we would start
>>> (to drive early signup), but do matching up to and at the IETF =
meeting? I would suggest that start date be 1 or two weeks before the =
-00 deadline.
>>=20
>> sounds reasonable, how many mentorees are we expecting?
>=20
> No idea. We'll know better after this trial!
>=20
> So, let's say July 1 for start date?

Sounds fine. =20

>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> The secretariat will be building a database to capture all of the =
info from the web forms. We're still working out how to make that a =
collaborative tool so that you all can work together on the matchings =
and see who has been matched already, etc. If you have thoughts about =
good tools for this, feel free to share.
>>> It's dangerous to build too much tool when you're still trying to =
figure out what you really want to be doing - it can cause you to =
accidentally get stuck with a behavior you don't really need. I would =
strongly suggest just starting with a wiki and more manual effort than =
you want in the long run until we know what a tool really needs to help =
with.
>>=20
>> agree fully.=20

Me, too...

>=20
> Alright, will let the secretariat know.
>=20
>>=20
>>>> Whether you want to stick to 1:1 matches or allow some =
1:more-than-1 is up to you and might depend on who you get signed up in =
both groups.
>>>>=20
>>>> Brian and I have also discussed opportunities to help mentors and =
prot=E9g=E9s meet at the beginning of IETF week, perhaps in designated =
areas at the newcomers' meet-and-greet. We're still mulling that over =
but would appreciate your thoughts about that.
>>>>=20
>>>> One last question is whether the fact that you all are coordinating =
the program should be made public. On one hand, it might be helpful for =
people to not know that you're doing the matching, so that no one tries =
to lobby you. Brian and I could certainly front all complaints/lobbying =
in that regard. On the other hand, you will be spending some time on =
this and so I can appreciate that you might want some recognition for =
it. Would be interested in your thoughts about that.
>>>>=20
>>> When in doubt, fail open.
>>>=20
>>=20
>> +1

I agree.

>=20
> Sounds good. In that case I think it would make sense to include your =
names in the mentor solicitation below.
>=20
> Alissa

- Ralph

>=20
>>>> Let us know if you have questions.
>>>>=20
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Alissa
>>>>=20
>>>> -----------
>>>>=20
>>>> Subject: IETF Mentor Program
>>>>=20
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>    Based on discussions during IETF 86, we are trialing an IETF =
mentoring program.  During this trial period, we would like to pair =
those who are new to the IETF (people who have attended 3 or fewer =
meetings) with existing IETF participants.  The goal is to provide a =
resource for the new people who can assist them with integrating into =
the IETF community.  Mentors and prot=E9g=E9s (who express an interest =
in being mentored) will be paired prior to IETF 87. We cannot guarantee =
that every mentor or prot=E9g=E9 will be matched, but we'll do our best. =
If the trial goes well, there may be a variety of ways to expand the =
program in the future.
>>>>=20
>>>>    What we need is for people to volunteer to be mentors. As a =
mentor, we would ask that you be willing to assist your prot=E9g=E9 =
before, during, and (hopefully) after IETF 87.  The actual level of =
interaction will be driven by an agreement between the mentor and the =
mentee. Additionally, we would need a brief description of your areas of =
expertise, technical interests, and conversational languages.
>>>>=20
>>>>    People interested in acting as mentors can volunteer by filling =
at the form at ???.  An FAQ for this trial program is available here: =
???.
>>>>=20
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alissa & Brian
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On the signup forms - consider asking both mentors and protoges (I'm =
worried how the community will react to the term btw) are active in any =
other SDOs, and if they have any non-IETF activities they are passionate =
about.
>>>=20
>>> RjS
>>>>=20
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From: Ronald Bonica 
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+1

Teachers and students are people who learn together!

                        Ron


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mentoring-coordinators-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mentoring-
> coordinators-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eggert, Lars
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> coordinators
>=20
> On May 15, 2013, at 19:43, Robert Sparks  wrote:
> > rookie, tenderfoot, enthusiast, scholar, learner
>=20
> talent
> newbie
> hopeful
> fellow
> trainee
>=20
> Another thought: For new hires at NetApp, we assign a buddy. Both the
> mentor and the protege are simply called buddies. It's kinda nice,
> because it implies some sort of equivalence between the two rather than
> a hierarchy.
>=20
> Lars
> _______________________________________________
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On May 15, 2013, at 7:38 AM 5/15/13, "Eggert, Lars"  =
wrote:

> Hi,
>=20
> On May 13, 2013, at 20:12, Robert Sparks  wrote:
>> On 5/13/13 11:51 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
>>> The secretariat will be building an IETF Mentoring page linked from =
the main IETF site. The site will contain FAQs about the program and web =
forms that allow people to sign up to be mentors or to be prot=E9g=E9s. =
Our current thinking is to limit the prot=E9g=E9 pool to anyone who has =
attended three or fewer IETF meetings, and to limit the mentor pool to =
anyone who is nomcom eligible. We could change the prot=E9g=E9 limit in =
the future, but since this is an experiment we'd like to keep it =
somewhat limited for now and see how it works. Both the FAQs and the web =
form fields are attached for your review and comment.
>=20
> during the IAB retreat, the point was brought up that it would be =
helpful that mentors could recall their first exposure to the IETF =
clearly, i.e., maybe not the folks who have been coming for 20 years. =
But we don't need to have a hard rule here, we can just take this into =
account when we do the matching.

Interesting point.  I can clearly remember my first exposure to the IETF =
(which was more than 20 years ago), and it's either clearly irrelevant =
and OBE, or gives us a model for 1x1 introductions in the future...

At the time I first started in the IETF (1989), Phill Gross was IETF =
Chair.  He had been a grad student TA for me a decade earlier, and we =
stayed in touch.  When the DHCP problem came along, he suggested I might =
find it interesting, and we formed the dhc WG.

On the one hand, it's not likely anyone coming to the IETF now will have =
been a grad student with a current IETF chair.  On the other hand, it =
was that 1x1 relationship and introduction that drove my engagement at =
the WG chair level.

- Ralph

>=20
>>> [...]
>=20
> Lars



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Hello Volunteer Coordinators,

We are getting ready to build some simple online tools to support the =
new mentorship program. What we have been envisioning to date is =
something along the following lines:

- An online form that allows mentors to sign up
- An online form that allows proteges to sign up to request mentoring
- A way for mentoring coordinators to match mentors with proteges. The =
system would then generate an email that would introduce them to each =
other and the match would be logged into the system.=20

I understand that some of you have thought that a simple wiki would be =
sufficient to perform the matching. That's fine if that's all you want, =
but we are happy to provide you with a bit more and will be able to do =
so in early June. Can you please provide feedback and/or direction on =
how we should proceed?

Thanks much,
Alexa

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Hi,

On May 25, 2013, at 0:37, Alexa Morris  wrote:
> We are getting ready to build some simple online tools to support the new=
 mentorship program.

I'm not sure we need tools quite yet. At least for this initial round, emai=
l should suffice?

> What we have been envisioning to date is something along the following li=
nes:
>=20
> - An online form that allows mentors to sign up

Why not just email to mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org?

> - An online form that allows proteges to sign up to request mentoring

Why not just email to mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org?

(More important IMO is that we word a prestigious-sounding invitation lette=
r in Jari's name to the potential proteges that really wants them to sign u=
p...)

> - A way for mentoring coordinators to match mentors with proteges. The sy=
stem would then generate an email that would introduce them to each other a=
nd the match would be logged into the system.=20

Why can't they just email each other once we match them up?

> I understand that some of you have thought that a simple wiki would be su=
fficient to perform the matching. That's fine if that's all you want, but w=
e are happy to provide you with a bit more and will be able to do so in ear=
ly June. Can you please provide feedback and/or direction on how we should =
proceed?

I think a wiki for us to coordinate, and email for everything else should b=
e enough for now. But if others want tools, that's fine with me too.

Lars=

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Alexa,

Until we really understand what we need, a Wiki will probably do.

                                    Ron


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> Subject: [Mentoring-coordinators] Online Mentorship Support
>=20
> Hello Volunteer Coordinators,
>=20
> We are getting ready to build some simple online tools to support the
> new mentorship program. What we have been envisioning to date is
> something along the following lines:
>=20
> - An online form that allows mentors to sign up
> - An online form that allows proteges to sign up to request mentoring
> - A way for mentoring coordinators to match mentors with proteges. The
> system would then generate an email that would introduce them to each
> other and the match would be logged into the system.
>=20
> I understand that some of you have thought that a simple wiki would be
> sufficient to perform the matching. That's fine if that's all you want,
> but we are happy to provide you with a bit more and will be able to do
> so in early June. Can you please provide feedback and/or direction on
> how we should proceed?
>=20
> Thanks much,
> Alexa
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On May 25, 2013, at 4:37 AM, "Eggert, Lars"  wrote:

> Hi,
>=20
> On May 25, 2013, at 0:37, Alexa Morris  wrote:
>> We are getting ready to build some simple online tools to support the =
new mentorship program.
>=20
> I'm not sure we need tools quite yet. At least for this initial round, =
email should suffice?
>=20
>> What we have been envisioning to date is something along the =
following lines:
>>=20
>> - An online form that allows mentors to sign up
>=20
> Why not just email to mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org?
>=20
>> - An online form that allows proteges to sign up to request mentoring
>=20
> Why not just email to mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org?

My thinking on the forms was that if we have forms then you'll have a =
better chance of getting all of the info from everyone who signs up, =
which might make a difference for the matching.

>=20
> (More important IMO is that we word a prestigious-sounding invitation =
letter in Jari's name to the potential proteges that really wants them =
to sign up...)
>=20
>> - A way for mentoring coordinators to match mentors with proteges. =
The system would then generate an email that would introduce them to =
each other and the match would be logged into the system.=20
>=20
> Why can't they just email each other once we match them up?

I think an automated nudge here could help encourage mentors to make the =
first contact.

Alissa

>=20
>> I understand that some of you have thought that a simple wiki would =
be sufficient to perform the matching. That's fine if that's all you =
want, but we are happy to provide you with a bit more and will be able =
to do so in early June. Can you please provide feedback and/or direction =
on how we should proceed?
>=20
> I think a wiki for us to coordinate, and email for everything else =
should be enough for now. But if others want tools, that's fine with me =
too.
>=20
> Lars
> _______________________________________________
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25 maj 2013 kl. 10:37 skrev "Eggert, Lars" :

> Hi,
>=20
> On May 25, 2013, at 0:37, Alexa Morris  wrote:
>> We are getting ready to build some simple online tools to support the new=
 mentorship program.
>=20
> I'm not sure we need tools quite yet. At least for this initial round, ema=
il should suffice?

I agree. Mostly I think we'll end up wrangling both mentors and mentorees in=
to this. Not sure that tools will help here.

>=20
>> What we have been envisioning to date is something along the following li=
nes:
>>=20
>> - An online form that allows mentors to sign up
>=20
> Why not just email to mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org?
>=20
>> - An online form that allows proteges to sign up to request mentoring
>=20
> Why not just email to mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org?
>=20
> (More important IMO is that we word a prestigious-sounding invitation lett=
er in Jari's name to the potential proteges that really wants them to sign u=
p...)
>=20
>> - A way for mentoring coordinators to match mentors with proteges. The sy=
stem would then generate an email that would introduce them to each other an=
d the match would be logged into the system.
>=20
> Why can't they just email each other once we match them up?
>=20
>> I understand that some of you have thought that a simple wiki would be su=
fficient to perform the matching. That's fine if that's all you want, but we=
 are happy to provide you with a bit more and will be able to do so in early=
 June. Can you please provide feedback and/or direction on how we should pro=
ceed?
>=20
> I think a wiki for us to coordinate, and email for everything else should b=
e enough for now. But if others want tools, that's fine with me too.
>=20
> Lars
> _______________________________________________
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> mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org
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On 5/25/13 9:35 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
> On May 25, 2013, at 4:37 AM, "Eggert, Lars"  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On May 25, 2013, at 0:37, Alexa Morris  wrote:
>>> We are getting ready to build some simple online tools to support the new mentorship program.
>> I'm not sure we need tools quite yet. At least for this initial round, email should suffice?
I'm also very reticent to invest in much tooling right now.
>>
>>> What we have been envisioning to date is something along the following lines:
>>>
>>> - An online form that allows mentors to sign up
>> Why not just email to mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org?
>>
>>> - An online form that allows proteges to sign up to request mentoring
>> Why not just email to mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org?
> My thinking on the forms was that if we have forms then you'll have a better chance of getting all of the info from everyone who signs up, which might make a difference for the matching.
That hasn't been my experience with signups for events. I get pretty 
much the same whether people have textboxes to fill in or a list of 
questions to answer in an email message. I don't object to a simple form 
for folks to fill out, but I don't see a big return on the effort
there either.
>
>> (More important IMO is that we word a prestigious-sounding invitation letter in Jari's name to the potential proteges that really wants them to sign up...)
>>
>>> - A way for mentoring coordinators to match mentors with proteges. The system would then generate an email that would introduce them to each other and the match would be logged into the system.
>> Why can't they just email each other once we match them up?
> I think an automated nudge here could help encourage mentors to make the first contact.
Why isn't this the coordinator sending a note to the mentor saying 
"here's a protoge - send them mail - here's a suggested letter for you 
to use"?  (btw - did we end up sticking with protoge?).

I can't imagine that there aren't going to be the need for customization 
of those messages. I'm not sure having a system do
something automatically is going to help.

>
> Alissa
>
>>> I understand that some of you have thought that a simple wiki would be sufficient to perform the matching. That's fine if that's all you want, but we are happy to provide you with a bit more and will be able to do so in early June. Can you please provide feedback and/or direction on how we should proceed?
>> I think a wiki for us to coordinate, and email for everything else should be enough for now. But if others want tools, that's fine with me too.
>>
>> Lars
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Hi all,
      I have updated the FAQ based on feedback from various IESG members 
and the discussion on the coordinators list.  Please take a look and let 
me know what I missed.

http://www.innovationslab.net/~brian/mentoring/

I did have a chat with Jari and he is more than happy to allow us to 
send letters of invitation to potential mentoring participants with his 
signature (as IETF chair).  Any volunteers to draft such a letter?

Regards,
Brian

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Hi,

On May 28, 2013, at 19:48, Brian Haberman  wrote:
>  Any volunteers to draft such a letter?

sure; here is a draft based on the FAQ. Since this is in Jari's name, we wa=
nt to make sure he is OK with the content/wording.

Lars

--

Hi,

my name is Jari Arkko and I chair the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF=
). I'm delighted to see that you will be attending the Berlin meeting! As y=
ou have only recently begun attending the IETF, I would like to invite you =
to the IETF's Mentoring Program.=20

The goal of the IETF Mentoring Program is to match IETF "newcomers" (people=
 who have participated in three or fewer face-to-face meetings or anyone re=
gistering as a student) with experienced IETF mentors. Your mentor will per=
sonally introduce you to the IETF community, help you find your way around =
the IETF and the meeting, explain things, introduce you to other attendees =
you might like to meet. Basically, your mentor will be your personal buddy =
during the meeting week, and possibly afterwards.

The IETF Mentoring Program was created to help new IETF participants to get=
 up to speed rapidly and help them begin to contribute to the IETF quickly =
and easily. I hope you will decide to participate in the program!

After you decide to participate, we will ask you a few questions about your=
 technical interests, language preferences, etc. in order to match you up w=
ith the best qualified mentor. We will then introduce you to each other by =
email, and invite you to meet up in person at the IETF Meet & Greet event o=
n Sunday afternoon in Berlin. From there on, you and your mentor decide on =
when and where to meet during the rest of the week and afterwards.

You are of course free to withdraw from the program at any time and for any=
 reason, no questions asked, should a need arise. But I sincerely believe t=
he IETF Mentoring Program will be a great way for a new participant such as=
 yourself to get introduced to the IETF by an experienced participant with =
matching interest, and I hope you will participate.=20

Regards,
Jari Arkko
IETF Chair=