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On Nov 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM 11/18/13, Brian Haberman =
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> I am curious as to how people think we should proceed with the =
mentoring
> program.  Based on the informal feedback that I received in Vancouver,
> it appears that we are doing the right thing.  The questions now are:
>=20
> 1. Do we make it more widely available (i.e., open it to more than =
just
> newcomers and students)?

We could, but I don't know of another group that might need or want =
mentoring.  I suppose we could open it up to the IETF attendees as a =
whole.
>=20
> 2. Do we start building tools to automate the process?

In my opinion, we're sort of on the cusp of the ROI for tools supporting =
the cost of building them.  Of course, I haven't been doing the work of =
receiving, collating and posting the mentee requests and mentor =
volunteers.

>=20
> 3. Do we need better training material than the FAQs?

No opinion.

>=20
> 4. Do we start asking mentors to support more than 1 mentee given the
> low workload that the mentoring seems to be taking?

Sure.  Do I have it right that we've had about enough mentors overall =
but not enough in some specific areas of interest?

- Ralph

>=20
> I would appreciate input from all the coordinators on these questions
> and any other items you think are important to consider.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Brian
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On 12/2/13 10:22 AM, Ralph Droms wrote:
>=20
> On Nov 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM 11/18/13, Brian Haberman
> <brian@innovationslab.net> wrote:
>=20
>> I am curious as to how people think we should proceed with the
>> mentoring program.  Based on the informal feedback that I received
>> in Vancouver, it appears that we are doing the right thing.  The
>> questions now are:
>>=20
>> 1. Do we make it more widely available (i.e., open it to more than
>> just newcomers and students)?
>=20
> We could, but I don't know of another group that might need or want
> mentoring.  I suppose we could open it up to the IETF attendees as a
> whole.

That is what I was thinking of.

>>=20
>> 2. Do we start building tools to automate the process?
>=20
> In my opinion, we're sort of on the cusp of the ROI for tools
> supporting the cost of building them.  Of course, I haven't been
> doing the work of receiving, collating and posting the mentee
> requests and mentor volunteers.
>=20

It is not fun doing cut-and-paste from e-mails (in various forms) into
the spreadsheet.

>>=20
>> 3. Do we need better training material than the FAQs?
>=20
> No opinion.
>=20
>>=20
>> 4. Do we start asking mentors to support more than 1 mentee given
>> the low workload that the mentoring seems to be taking?
>=20
> Sure.  Do I have it right that we've had about enough mentors overall
> but not enough in some specific areas of interest?
>=20

Yes.


Thoughts from others?

Regards,
Brian


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On Dec 9, 2013, at 4:45 PM 12/9/13, Brian Haberman =
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> On 12/2/13 10:22 AM, Ralph Droms wrote:
>>=20
>> On Nov 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM 11/18/13, Brian Haberman
>> <brian@innovationslab.net> wrote:
>>=20
>>> I am curious as to how people think we should proceed with the
>>> mentoring program.  Based on the informal feedback that I received
>>> in Vancouver, it appears that we are doing the right thing.  The
>>> questions now are:
>>>=20
>>> 1. Do we make it more widely available (i.e., open it to more than
>>> just newcomers and students)?
>>=20
>> We could, but I don't know of another group that might need or want
>> mentoring.  I suppose we could open it up to the IETF attendees as a
>> whole.
>=20
> That is what I was thinking of.

OK. =20

>=20
>>>=20
>>> 2. Do we start building tools to automate the process?
>>=20
>> In my opinion, we're sort of on the cusp of the ROI for tools
>> supporting the cost of building them.  Of course, I haven't been
>> doing the work of receiving, collating and posting the mentee
>> requests and mentor volunteers.
>>=20
>=20
> It is not fun doing cut-and-paste from e-mails (in various forms) into
> the spreadsheet.

OK, I believe you ... sounds like it's time to develop some tools.

>=20
>>>=20
>>> 3. Do we need better training material than the FAQs?
>>=20
>> No opinion.
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> 4. Do we start asking mentors to support more than 1 mentee given
>>> the low workload that the mentoring seems to be taking?
>>=20
>> Sure.  Do I have it right that we've had about enough mentors overall
>> but not enough in some specific areas of interest?
>>=20
>=20
> Yes.

If you're reasonably confident we can meet the demand for mentors, I =
don't have any objection to broadening the program.

- Ralph

>=20
>=20
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>=20
> Regards,
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Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Next steps
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On 12/10/13 6:01 PM, "Ralph Droms" <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>On Dec 9, 2013, at 4:45 PM 12/9/13, Brian Haberman
><brian@innovationslab.net> wrote:
>
>> On 12/2/13 10:22 AM, Ralph Droms wrote:
>>>=20
>>> On Nov 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM 11/18/13, Brian Haberman
>>> <brian@innovationslab.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> I am curious as to how people think we should proceed with the
>>>> mentoring program.  Based on the informal feedback that I received
>>>> in Vancouver, it appears that we are doing the right thing.  The
>>>> questions now are:
>>>>=20
>>>> 1. Do we make it more widely available (i.e., open it to more than
>>>> just newcomers and students)?
>>>=20
>>> We could, but I don't know of another group that might need or want
>>> mentoring.  I suppose we could open it up to the IETF attendees as a
>>> whole.
>>=20
>> That is what I was thinking of.
>
>OK. =20

I think we're ready for this. We can add a disclaimer to the announcement
that explains that we're still gauging demand and will endeavor to match
everyone who signs up for a mentor, but that we might not be able to match
everyone if we see overwhelming demand.

>
>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> 2. Do we start building tools to automate the process?
>>>=20
>>> In my opinion, we're sort of on the cusp of the ROI for tools
>>> supporting the cost of building them.  Of course, I haven't been
>>> doing the work of receiving, collating and posting the mentee
>>> requests and mentor volunteers.
>>>=20
>>=20
>> It is not fun doing cut-and-paste from e-mails (in various forms) into
>> the spreadsheet.
>
>OK, I believe you ... sounds like it's time to develop some tools.

Agreed.=20

Alissa

>
>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> 3. Do we need better training material than the FAQs?
>>>=20
>>> No opinion.
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> 4. Do we start asking mentors to support more than 1 mentee given
>>>> the low workload that the mentoring seems to be taking?
>>>=20
>>> Sure.  Do I have it right that we've had about enough mentors overall
>>> but not enough in some specific areas of interest?
>>>=20
>>=20
>> Yes.
>
>If you're reasonably confident we can meet the demand for mentors, I
>don't have any objection to broadening the program.
>
>- Ralph
>
>>=20
>>=20
>> Thoughts from others?
>>=20
>> Regards,
>> Brian
>>=20
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