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WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7522130E@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_=5Birsg=5D_Impr?= =?utf-8?q?oving_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 18:47:52 -0000 All, I'm very positive to the proposed changes. Data point - If we include everyone that are attending on of their first fice meetings how many people are we talking about? Especially we remove some of the unfortunate collisions. /Loa On 2016-06-30 12:10, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > +1 about the good changes > > I would add a logistic suggestion. It would be good if the ADs can ensure that the area table is staffed during the whole duration of the reception. It did happen to me (not often but it did) that I headed with a newcomer to an area table and I did not find anybody there - especially in the second half of the reception. > > Regards, > > Dan > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: edu-team [mailto:edu-team-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen >> Farrell >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:53 AM >> To: Benoit Claise; WG Chairs; IESG IESG; IAB >> Cc: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org; EDU Team >> Subject: Re: [edu-team] [irsg] Improving the Newcomer’s Meet and Greet >> experience >> >> >> >> On 30/06/16 07:34, Benoit Claise wrote: >>> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer’s Meet >>> and Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend >>> the Newcomer’s Meet and Greet session. >>> Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend their >>> first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings >>> (*) >> >> Both good changes. >> Thanks, >> S. > From nobody Sun Jul 3 14:10:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DA712B044 for ; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys, Thank you all for your help in matching mentees. We have some more. These appear to all be attending in person. Please verify that they are coming to Berlin and would like a mentor. If you will not be able to do this in the next few days, please let me know. PLEASE ALSO CONFIRM THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN THIS AND ARE STARTING otherwise, I will assign to someone else. Felicia: Vinayak Tessa: Vinayak Bart : Wes Gaurav: Marius Ziayaad: Gowri Also, if you have had any trouble matching the other ones that you have, please let me know. I will also get the Mentoring spreadsheet set up so that you can put in your matches. (Sorry to be late on that!) 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mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 21:10:16 -0000 ------=_Part_2653009_1378774050.1467580038160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys, Thank you all for your help in matching mentees. We have some more. These appear to all be attending in person. Please verify that they are coming to Berlin and would like a mentor. If you will not be able to do this in the next few days, please let me know. PLEASE ALSO CONFIRM THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN THIS AND ARE STARTING otherwise, I will assign to someone else. Felicia: Vinayak Tessa: Vinayak Bart : Wes Gaurav: Marius Ziayaad: Gowri Also, if you have had any trouble matching the other ones that you have, please let me know. I will also get the Mentoring spreadsheet set up so that you can put in your matches. (Sorry to be late on that!) 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[76.188.215.129]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 81sm1603191iom.16.2016.07.05.10.39.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Jul 2016 10:39:25 -0700 (PDT) To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com, "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" References: <1199004165.216111.1466169842283.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1199004165.216111.1466169842283.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <819234489.2517401.1466616487681.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <22eb3fff-62c8-0db0-8e37-84dd0bd94b47@mti-systems.com> <809863986.2653010.1467580038160.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Wesley Eddy Message-ID: <2aa9f93c-3d8e-70c5-c9fe-61b8a2d03474@mti-systems.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 13:39:23 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <809863986.2653010.1467580038160.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8094DC0C8045B8A2EECE740D" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Still More Mentee Sign Ups : Please match X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 17:39:30 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8094DC0C8045B8A2EECE740D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ACK. I'll work mine now. I still have one from the previous list that needs a match (and I just re-transmitted the request to the mentors list, so that may be resolved soon). On 7/3/2016 5:07 PM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote: > Guys, > > Thank you all for your help in matching mentees. We have some more. These appear to all be attending in person. Please verify that they are coming to Berlin and would like a mentor. If you will not be able to do this in the next few days, please let me know. PLEASE ALSO CONFIRM THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN THIS AND ARE STARTING otherwise, I will assign to someone else. > > Felicia: Vinayak > Tessa: Vinayak > Bart : Wes > Gaurav: Marius > Ziayaad: Gowri > > Also, if you have had any trouble matching the other ones that you have, please let me know. I will also get the Mentoring spreadsheet set up so that you can put in your matches. (Sorry to be late on that!) > Thanks, > > Nalini Elkins > Inside Products, Inc. > www.insidethestack.com > (831) 659-8360 > > > _______________________________________________ > mentoring-coordinators mailing list > mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators --------------8094DC0C8045B8A2EECE740D Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

ACK. I'll work mine now. I still have one from the previous list that needs a match (and I just re-transmitted the request to the mentors list, so that may be resolved soon).


On 7/3/2016 5:07 PM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:
Guys, 

Thank you all for your help in matching mentees.  We have some more.  These appear to all be attending in person.  Please verify that they are coming to Berlin and would like a mentor.  If you will not be able to do this in the next few days, please let me know. PLEASE ALSO CONFIRM THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN THIS AND ARE STARTING otherwise, I will assign to someone else.

Felicia: Vinayak
Tessa:   Vinayak
Bart :   Wes
Gaurav:  Marius
Ziayaad: Gowri

Also, if you have had any trouble matching the other ones that you have, please let me know.  I will also get the Mentoring spreadsheet set up so that you can put in your matches.  (Sorry to be late on that!) 
Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
Inside Products, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
(831) 659-8360



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[92.233.126.185]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q71sm2080548wme.17.2016.07.05.12.35.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Jul 2016 12:35:23 -0700 (PDT) To: Karen O'Donoghue , "edu-team@ietf.org" , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" References: <84FF2CAF-5D08-4CA5-94A0-3BB76EEB9EF9@isoc.org> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <57c84829-b0c5-de73-b8ba-13bd887a06b1@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 07:35:28 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <84FF2CAF-5D08-4CA5-94A0-3BB76EEB9EF9@isoc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] save the date - Breakfast, Thursday 21 July (Next steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring, Outreach coordination) - Breakfast, Thursday 21 July X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 19:35:31 -0000 Didn't see the details yet, but I hope we can make it 7:30 or 8:00 a.m. because I now have a clash at 9:00 (and whose bright idea was it to waste half the morning by starting WG sessions at 10?). Regards Brian Carpenter On 01/07/2016 22:23, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: > Folks, >=20 > The =E2=80=9CNext steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring, Outre= ach coordination=E2=80=9D meeting will be Thursday morning for breakfast.= Details to follow over the weekend.=20 >=20 > Karen >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 6 03:00:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325F812D178; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:00:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lcqJhliAHAQR; 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Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:07:56 +0200 To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Brian E Carpenter , Karen O'Donoghue , "edu-team@ietf.org" , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" References: <84FF2CAF-5D08-4CA5-94A0-3BB76EEB9EF9@isoc.org> <57c84829-b0c5-de73-b8ba-13bd887a06b1@gmail.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7522FDAE@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> From: Mirjam Kuehne Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:07:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7522FDAE@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -------- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -8.8 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -7.5 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.3 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 BAYES_40 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 20 to 40% [score: 0.3075] X-RIPE-Signature: 7e0932718cf60c1d07d29cd25dae92746405d8775f266699fb28c15b45bc3190 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] save the date - Breakfast, Thursday 21 July (Next steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring, Outreach coordination) - Breakfast, Thursday 21 July X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:08:03 -0000 Hi all, Yes, let's in any case reserve Thursday 8:00 - 9:00 for the "Newcomers Experience" meeting. We also need to schedule the regular Edu Team meeting to discuss future tutorials: Monday morning looks pretty good - except for Fred and Benoit :( In the doodle poll it said 8:00 - 9:00. Would 9:00 - 10:00 work better on Monday? Mirjam On 6/7/16 12:00, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Hi, > > FWIW - the Thursday breakfast meeting now conflicts with the Gen-ART meeting. Maybe this is the same conflict that is pointed to be Brian. > > I do not know for how many people this is a conflict - besides me, Brian and Fred are also on the Gen-ART team, maybe other. > > Maybe it would be possible to de-conflict - for example by scheduling one meeting 8-9AM and the other one 9-10AM. > > Regards, > > Dan > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: edu-team [mailto:edu-team-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian E >> Carpenter >> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 10:35 PM >> To: Karen O'Donoghue; edu-team@ietf.org; mentoring- >> coordinators@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [edu-team] save the date - Breakfast, Thursday 21 July (Next >> steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring, Outreach coordination) - >> Breakfast, Thursday 21 July >> >> Didn't see the details yet, but I hope we can make it 7:30 or 8:00 a.m. >> because I now have a clash at 9:00 (and whose bright idea was it to waste half >> the morning by starting WG sessions at 10?). >> >> Regards >> Brian Carpenter >> >> On 01/07/2016 22:23, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: >>> Folks, >>> >>> The “Next steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring, Outreach >> coordination” meeting will be Thursday morning for breakfast. 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Would 9:00 - 10:00 work > better on Monday? IESG BFKST from 8 to 10 on Monday. Regards, B. > > Mirjam > > On 6/7/16 12:00, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >> Hi, >> >> FWIW - the Thursday breakfast meeting now conflicts with the Gen-ART meeting. Maybe this is the same conflict that is pointed to be Brian. >> >> I do not know for how many people this is a conflict - besides me, Brian and Fred are also on the Gen-ART team, maybe other. >> >> Maybe it would be possible to de-conflict - for example by scheduling one meeting 8-9AM and the other one 9-10AM. >> >> Regards, >> >> Dan >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: edu-team [mailto:edu-team-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian E >>> Carpenter >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 10:35 PM >>> To: Karen O'Donoghue; edu-team@ietf.org; mentoring- >>> coordinators@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [edu-team] save the date - Breakfast, Thursday 21 July (Next >>> steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring, Outreach coordination) - >>> Breakfast, Thursday 21 July >>> >>> Didn't see the details yet, but I hope we can make it 7:30 or 8:00 a.m. >>> because I now have a clash at 9:00 (and whose bright idea was it to waste half >>> the morning by starting WG sessions at 10?). >>> >>> Regards >>> Brian Carpenter >>> >>> On 01/07/2016 22:23, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: >>>> Folks, >>>> >>>> The “Next steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring, Outreach >>> coordination” meeting will be Thursday morning for breakfast. Details to >>> follow over the weekend. >>>> Karen >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team From nobody Wed Jul 6 03:39:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF3012D0F6; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:39:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JR__wac3ZCoi; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mahimahi.ripe.net (mahimahi.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1372]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A93612D0C7; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from titi.ripe.net ([193.0.23.11]) by mahimahi.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1bKkEs-00092n-30; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:39:31 +0200 Received: from sslvpn.ipv6.ripe.net ([2001:67c:2e8:9::c100:14e6] helo=guest27.guestnet.ripe.net) by titi.ripe.net with esmtps (UNKNOWN:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1bKkEr-0002Bt-Tp; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:39:30 +0200 To: Benoit Claise , "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Brian E Carpenter , Karen O'Donoghue , "edu-team@ietf.org" , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" References: <84FF2CAF-5D08-4CA5-94A0-3BB76EEB9EF9@isoc.org> <57c84829-b0c5-de73-b8ba-13bd887a06b1@gmail.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7522FDAE@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <592293c4-8360-9e94-d8dd-b6199e3e6555@cisco.com> From: Mirjam Kuehne Message-ID: <41a63c5d-e08c-2da0-912c-f5127ade3c13@ripe.net> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:39:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <592293c4-8360-9e94-d8dd-b6199e3e6555@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---------- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -10.7 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -7.5 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.3 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: 7e0932718cf60c1d07d29cd25dae9274ed6866db3c4aa797955b1f7ccc30eb2f Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] save the date - Breakfast, Thursday 21 July (Next steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring, Outreach coordination) - Breakfast, Thursday 21 July X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:39:36 -0000 Hi, I just confirmed with Benoit that Tuesday morning works better for him. Please reserve this in your calendar: Tuesday 8:00 - 9:00 Edu Team meeting. Greg, Dan, unfortunately this doesn't work for you, but I am afraid it will be difficult to schedule two meetings that work for all of us. Maybe we spend a few minutes at the Thursday meeting to go over the planned to tutorials (as they will of course also affect the plans for newcomers). Mirjam On 6/7/16 12:15, Benoit Claise wrote: > On 7/6/2016 12:07 PM, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Yes, let's in any case reserve Thursday 8:00 - 9:00 for the "Newcomers >> Experience" meeting. >> >> We also need to schedule the regular Edu Team meeting to discuss future >> tutorials: Monday morning looks pretty good - except for Fred and Benoit >> :( In the doodle poll it said 8:00 - 9:00. Would 9:00 - 10:00 work >> better on Monday? > IESG BFKST from 8 to 10 on Monday. > > Regards, B. >> >> Mirjam >> >> On 6/7/16 12:00, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> FWIW - the Thursday breakfast meeting now conflicts with the Gen-ART >>> meeting. Maybe this is the same conflict that is pointed to be Brian. >>> >>> I do not know for how many people this is a conflict - besides me, >>> Brian and Fred are also on the Gen-ART team, maybe other. >>> >>> Maybe it would be possible to de-conflict - for example by scheduling >>> one meeting 8-9AM and the other one 9-10AM. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: edu-team [mailto:edu-team-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian E >>>> Carpenter >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 10:35 PM >>>> To: Karen O'Donoghue; edu-team@ietf.org; mentoring- >>>> coordinators@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [edu-team] save the date - Breakfast, Thursday 21 July >>>> (Next >>>> steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring, Outreach >>>> coordination) - >>>> Breakfast, Thursday 21 July >>>> >>>> Didn't see the details yet, but I hope we can make it 7:30 or 8:00 a.m. >>>> because I now have a clash at 9:00 (and whose bright idea was it to >>>> waste half >>>> the morning by starting WG sessions at 10?). >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Brian Carpenter >>>> >>>> On 01/07/2016 22:23, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: >>>>> Folks, >>>>> >>>>> The “Next steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring, Outreach >>>> coordination” meeting will be Thursday morning for breakfast. >>>> Details to >>>> follow over the weekend. >>>>> Karen >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> edu-team mailing list >>> edu-team@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > From nobody Wed Jul 6 03:41:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D8B12D191; Wed, 6 Jul 2016 03:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com 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[92.233.126.185]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f189sm3588097wmf.19.2016.07.06.08.09.55 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Jul 2016 08:09:56 -0700 (PDT) To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Mirjam Kuehne , Benoit Claise , Karen O'Donoghue , "edu-team@ietf.org" , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" References: <84FF2CAF-5D08-4CA5-94A0-3BB76EEB9EF9@isoc.org> <57c84829-b0c5-de73-b8ba-13bd887a06b1@gmail.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA7522FDAE@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> <592293c4-8360-9e94-d8dd-b6199e3e6555@cisco.com> <41a63c5d-e08c-2da0-912c-f5127ade3c13@ripe.net> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA752301EF@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 03:10:02 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA752301EF@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] save the date - Breakfast, Thursday 21 July (Next steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring, Outreach coordination) - Breakfast, Thursday 21 July X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 15:10:24 -0000 Yes, let's not waste half the morning: even 08:00 is late. Regards Brian On 06/07/2016 22:41, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Tuesday morning actually works for me for the first 30 min or so if th= e meeting starts at 8AM. I need to go to the IETF and IEEE 802 coordinati= on meeting around 8:30AM.=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Dan >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mirjam Kuehne [mailto:mir@ripe.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 1:39 PM >> To: Benoit Claise; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Brian E Carpenter; Karen >> O'Donoghue; edu-team@ietf.org; mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [edu-team] save the date - Breakfast, Thursday 21 July (N= ext >> steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring, Outreach coordination)= - >> Breakfast, Thursday 21 July >> >> Hi, >> >> I just confirmed with Benoit that Tuesday morning works better for him= =2E >> >> Please reserve this in your calendar: Tuesday 8:00 - 9:00 Edu Team mee= ting. >> >> Greg, Dan, unfortunately this doesn't work for you, but I am afraid it= will be >> difficult to schedule two meetings that work for all of us. >> Maybe we spend a few minutes at the Thursday meeting to go over the >> planned to tutorials (as they will of course also affect the plans for= >> newcomers). >> >> Mirjam >> >> >> On 6/7/16 12:15, Benoit Claise wrote: >>> On 7/6/2016 12:07 PM, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Yes, let's in any case reserve Thursday 8:00 - 9:00 for the >>>> "Newcomers Experience" meeting. >>>> >>>> We also need to schedule the regular Edu Team meeting to discuss >>>> future >>>> tutorials: Monday morning looks pretty good - except for Fred and >>>> Benoit :( In the doodle poll it said 8:00 - 9:00. Would 9:00 - 10:00= >>>> work better on Monday? >>> IESG BFKST from 8 to 10 on Monday. >>> >>> Regards, B. >>>> >>>> Mirjam >>>> >>>> On 6/7/16 12:00, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> FWIW - the Thursday breakfast meeting now conflicts with the Gen-AR= T >>>>> meeting. Maybe this is the same conflict that is pointed to be Bria= n. >>>>> >>>>> I do not know for how many people this is a conflict - besides me, >>>>> Brian and Fred are also on the Gen-ART team, maybe other. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe it would be possible to de-conflict - for example by >>>>> scheduling one meeting 8-9AM and the other one 9-10AM. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: edu-team [mailto:edu-team-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Brian E Carpenter >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 10:35 PM >>>>>> To: Karen O'Donoghue; edu-team@ietf.org; mentoring- >>>>>> coordinators@ietf.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: [edu-team] save the date - Breakfast, Thursday 21 Jul= y >>>>>> (Next steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring, Outreach >>>>>> coordination) - >>>>>> Breakfast, Thursday 21 July >>>>>> >>>>>> Didn't see the details yet, but I hope we can make it 7:30 or 8:00= a.m. >>>>>> because I now have a clash at 9:00 (and whose bright idea was it t= o >>>>>> waste half the morning by starting WG sessions at 10?). >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Brian Carpenter >>>>>> >>>>>> On 01/07/2016 22:23, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: >>>>>>> Folks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The =E2=80=9CNext steps in Newcomer's Experience, EDU, Mentoring,= >> Outreach >>>>>> coordination=E2=80=9D meeting will be Thursday morning for breakfa= st. >>>>>> Details to >>>>>> follow over the weekend. >>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>> >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 6 14:17:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB9012D529; 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charset="utf-8" > On Jun 21, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Brian E Carpenter = wrote: >=20 >=20 > One specific point: >=20 >> 5. EDU Team Online Content Assessment and Reorganization >> 7. Ongoing Document Maintenance >=20 > Maybe these should be combined as a single project. I don't think > we need a rigid boundary between material derived from tutorials > and the other broadly educational documents. Also economises one > project leader. I read the difference between 5 & 7 slightly differently with 5 being = the initial inventory and organization of materials (including tutorials = but also other items covered under 7), with 7 being the ongoing = maintenance of the materials=E2=80=99 content, as well as their = organization and sharing via channels. I think this works in part because it would be helpful to complete 5 = rather soon, while it may take some time to identify a project leader = for 7.=20 However, I agree that if there=E2=80=99s someone who can take on project = leadership for 7 and get the initial assessment and reorganization done = in a timely way, the tasks implied by 5 could just become a part of 7. -Greg --Apple-Mail=_C9408C3A-A287-49F0-96FD-933EF165E8B5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
On Jun 21, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:


One specific = point:

5. =     EDU Team Online Content Assessment and = Reorganization
7.     Ongoing Document = Maintenance

Maybe these should be combined as a = single project. I don't think
we need a rigid boundary between material = derived from tutorials
and the other broadly educational = documents. Also economises one
project = leader.

I = read the difference between 5 & 7 slightly differently with 5 being = the initial inventory and organization of materials (including tutorials = but also other items covered under 7), with 7 being the ongoing = maintenance of the materials=E2=80=99  content, as well as their = organization and sharing via channels.

I think this works in part because it would be = helpful to complete 5 rather soon, while it may take some time to = identify a project leader for 7. 

However, I agree that if there=E2=80=99s someone = who can take on project leadership for 7 and get the initial assessment = and reorganization done in a timely way, the tasks implied by 5 could = just become a part of 7.

-Greg

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I will be sending out an email blast soon to the newcomers, so we may get more to assign. As always, please let me know that you have received this & are starting. 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If you would like a mentor (an experienced IETFer) to help guide you through the process, please sign up at: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/XBWQWPW You may also wish to attend our popular Speed Mentoring event on Sunday, July 17th at noon. This is where you can talk to a number of mentors for 5 - 10 minutes each. This will help you to build your IETF network. We will also discuss Internet Draft Review Teams on Sunday. This is a new initiative from the IETF mentoring team. You may join a team reading drafts in the Working Groups that you are interested in. Then, you may comment on the email list for the WG. This may be a good way to get started for people who are relatively new to the IETF process. We will also have people going together to lunch Mon - Thurs of IETF week. We would love to have you join us if you do not have other plans. I will be sending out reminder notes every day. I look forward to meeting all of you. Please come and introduce yourselves to me at the Meet and Greet or the Welcome Social. Please also don't hesitate to ask me or any of the IETF Mentoring Team if you have any questions. We are here to support you! 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Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:14:35 +0200 To: Karen O'Donoghue , IETF edu Team , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" References: <4D4C2BEE-AACC-47F0-8DD2-490B015B7A53@isoc.org> From: Mirjam Kuehne Message-ID: <782d7071-9216-9c61-10c0-6f930e40b567@ripe.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:14:34 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D4C2BEE-AACC-47F0-8DD2-490B015B7A53@isoc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -------- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -8.0 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -7.5 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.3 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4257] X-RIPE-Signature: 7e0932718cf60c1d07d29cd25dae92745595626e638bfe2d385f49e0fc5030d0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] name for this directorate formally known as EMO X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:14:42 -0000 Hi, I quite like ME. It's nice and short and doesn't contain Outreach explicitly. Even thought Education and Mentoring is clearly part of the outreach activities, I am still not convinced this group should or can be responsible for the IETF Outreach as a whole. Mirjam On 13/7/16 14:42, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: > Folks, > > My second attempt at getting discussion started around a name was much > more successful than my first attempt > > So EMO (Education, Mentoring, and Outreach) seems to be out > > Current suggestions include: > > EO - Education and Outreach > ME - Mentoring and Education > POEM - Productivity, Outreach, Education, and Mentoring > MEOW - Mentoring, Education, Outreach, Wisdom (probably not serious ) > > Any additional suggestions? > > Regards, > Karen > > > > > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > From nobody Wed Jul 13 07:51:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C003212DAC7 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:51:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mti-systems-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zGMSZPZ8qTQb for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x22c.google.com (mail-qt0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B82EA12D8C8 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id 52so26876018qtq.3 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:51:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mti-systems-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to; bh=RsOrZJYS+sZxaUbDhOr/VyyU0TQ4OBZhk76w1mfiYgY=; b=JppOd/VxVVq+Zq2AqQcPkSXNX+4qO7H4Xvi9Ljo5dmejrK2LwGRYkgAvp8zcGDdoDL b1XHyLEfTBMiSIyPCvqB1qpP8uhbV26n/k+av0C0x5pfXXXX1cWGZoCMXmRrAjX5p4Kl X9cyDlHksu5F762bJtk7X9gM7hFutbXAbSkS5WX48V8Bao1/85k1x47FIkusyyQfIyNs anaRllHHd9xZd0wkGlw5TJ+jaJV0z8CTXCxTq3KVGD5BEkxt745W6zuEDcpl373HI2ZC MZByI10CP5NkB5MMg1mjFEyoCq8uSF+NHo994DUJtRv3ea2ppsGZ9tep2g7m7ohcQcby Tebg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=RsOrZJYS+sZxaUbDhOr/VyyU0TQ4OBZhk76w1mfiYgY=; b=OK1blDFNNayq2ek/b1oVXQ/ulHr1Vclgy+oiHE+rW/yKxCbEppauJb3rcs9cxQ9qtv y/lvPvzdFCWO2xF/s6xwL0qRRR9Cbvotf0OhJCFciLgevupmeByiLHiIMfNJNrXpKId0 2XKhNcEflIIl2sXjpSDe15+CABBP6RuQXeS2T5mvjNu91QA5FbefTfrbI0eDvED1esL+ Q1WoVcDxAnBcITiiz4m/jbRoMf1qnnzQO9LEIUmEzNXHmutIuOCS9AVjQcSgPbgOZhup K/jZw2ziJiYeq712g39GsLIgTyQHHVqI1oepl9ROoIBM526ShkPMOjQdbXloID7FuLZA 7ZfA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tL2QLbCnVYzhViUjR1u+rcrzX4N/rOJky7Zb3mben6PDpEifw9Wsd43nnA66tXp8A== X-Received: by 10.237.53.125 with SMTP id b58mr12098068qte.104.1468421507745; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.123] (user-12l31s2.cable.mindspring.com. [69.81.135.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n63sm1322379qkd.16.2016.07.13.07.51.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:51:47 -0700 (PDT) To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com, "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" References: <1199004165.216111.1466169842283.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1199004165.216111.1466169842283.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <819234489.2517401.1466616487681.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <22eb3fff-62c8-0db0-8e37-84dd0bd94b47@mti-systems.com> <809863986.2653010.1467580038160.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <2aa9f93c-3d8e-70c5-c9fe-61b8a2d03474@mti-systems.com> From: Wesley Eddy Message-ID: <6934d947-ac9e-3f3f-d09d-4e598fe266fb@mti-systems.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:51:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2aa9f93c-3d8e-70c5-c9fe-61b8a2d03474@mti-systems.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F7F193320B5D70C6B1B345F6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Still More Mentee Sign Ups : Please match X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:51:50 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F7F193320B5D70C6B1B345F6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nalini - I haven't been able yet to find a volunteer to match for Anchal. I sent 2 queries to the mentor list, but did not receive any responses, so I think we need to take an alternate approach for that one. On 7/5/2016 1:39 PM, Wesley Eddy wrote: > > ACK. I'll work mine now. I still have one from the previous list > that needs a match (and I just re-transmitted the request to the > mentors list, so that may be resolved soon). > > > On 7/3/2016 5:07 PM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote: >> Guys, >> >> Thank you all for your help in matching mentees. We have some more. These appear to all be attending in person. Please verify that they are coming to Berlin and would like a mentor. If you will not be able to do this in the next few days, please let me know. PLEASE ALSO CONFIRM THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN THIS AND ARE STARTING otherwise, I will assign to someone else. >> >> Felicia: Vinayak >> Tessa: Vinayak >> Bart : Wes >> Gaurav: Marius >> Ziayaad: Gowri >> >> Also, if you have had any trouble matching the other ones that you have, please let me know. I will also get the Mentoring spreadsheet set up so that you can put in your matches. (Sorry to be late on that!) >> Thanks, >> >> Nalini Elkins >> Inside Products, Inc. >> www.insidethestack.com >> (831) 659-8360 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mentoring-coordinators mailing list >> mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators > --------------F7F193320B5D70C6B1B345F6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Nalini - I haven't been able yet to find a volunteer to match for Anchal. I sent 2 queries to the mentor list, but did not receive any responses, so I think we need to take an alternate approach for that one.



On 7/5/2016 1:39 PM, Wesley Eddy wrote:

ACK. I'll work mine now. I still have one from the previous list that needs a match (and I just re-transmitted the request to the mentors list, so that may be resolved soon).


On 7/3/2016 5:07 PM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:
Guys, 

Thank you all for your help in matching mentees.  We have some more.  These appear to all be attending in person.  Please verify that they are coming to Berlin and would like a mentor.  If you will not be able to do this in the next few days, please let me know. PLEASE ALSO CONFIRM THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN THIS AND ARE STARTING otherwise, I will assign to someone else.

Felicia: Vinayak
Tessa:   Vinayak
Bart :   Wes
Gaurav:  Marius
Ziayaad: Gowri

Also, if you have had any trouble matching the other ones that you have, please let me know.  I will also get the Mentoring spreadsheet set up so that you can put in your matches.  (Sorry to be late on that!) 
Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
Inside Products, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
(831) 659-8360



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Regards Brian On 14/07/2016 00:42, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: > Folks, >=20 > My second attempt at getting discussion started around a name was much = more successful than my first attempt=E2=80=A6 >=20 > So=E2=80=A6 EMO (Education, Mentoring, and Outreach) seems to be out=E2= =80=A6 >=20 > Current suggestions include: >=20 > EO - Education and Outreach > ME - Mentoring and Education > POEM - Productivity, Outreach, Education, and Mentoring > MEOW - Mentoring, Education, Outreach, Wisdom (probably not serious=E2=80= =A6 ) >=20 > Any additional suggestions? >=20 > Regards, > Karen >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 13 08:19:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C60212D985; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:19:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vz5PyFCQKFTl; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com (mail-wm0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DCC312D893; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id i5so74569260wmg.0; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:19:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xyvcq9YliUqQZKfLVsJzUMIeqUB5Kdyh4taa6PSwq54=; b=o9DMVb5Vu48+SQA/Obz3A/Th4XUpfqe+dGcuzwyb1vEsBEcZsF8o8emtr24LkIfwBi v92ODBc6oh5urcI69Y72TA0AYzbAAQm8+c7Boe7gO8tQZ8MryHuz9kv/La1SvxbHyPcR piKE7tTX3WsgDZPdHZoelJmgOb3WgJrgiDjFdZ7cdRzSWwhP6b48Sc7/kduhwWsNXzdS 2AZOOdha5NVH0PdC56SGosttmZfDco5RAWXN5gniSOnidMHA1NNUqxTS57UN5WUN7XSV itOt1dGwafcPZTJIjlgoq59y27TylUoFe3sJJdCfqgy+wMFeniyYx+FfqXi9XdL6rULz Q2pw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xyvcq9YliUqQZKfLVsJzUMIeqUB5Kdyh4taa6PSwq54=; b=QwKd9hbOEwEaqT5/cefN1OOro343vP6K7fUoV2D4yF/MUBi9/admhmtZG0cSCROqt5 XDyC2x0P9O7s423rtKhuQIT5ODhTlzM4YO04mv/dPiuCWz9Me1ny3FBhXWkqsv5MmoJ9 NZLJ4M+t3svQvjPwnBEEoqauKp0GAX/c3t0cmt2Bj8MDY5sOd6y3EaDEJKL+EIaR8PTn 4+pKpItkWtosCg9M7A7/0i/JCWzSCJvXKnJKjMJd0SPxMrk9VV2jX9RALF5G7vJ30eMm ztgJQa8eXuNqiY5kL63z0WzaYuW8/dJigEiV3D9gMeMPEFLhFMlhAF5xmBt2lsjRc3Ta kIjg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIUedpv0u8UmNLwFyl3iG08CHas9IcBfIXUXK1/YD3fq/9VdGkXyeVBMFt8F+vEig== X-Received: by 10.28.156.6 with SMTP id f6mr11918623wme.1.1468423178901; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.29] (cpc66883-mort6-2-0-cust696.19-2.cable.virginm.net. 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It's nice and short and doesn't contain Outreach > explicitly. Even thought Education and Mentoring is clearly part of the= > outreach activities, I am still not convinced this group should or can > be responsible for the IETF Outreach as a whole. Then MEW - Mentoring, Education, Welcome. I agree that we should limit 'Outreach' to new particpants; outreach to the operations community, for example, is a whole different box of tri= cks. Brian >=20 > Mirjam >=20 >=20 > On 13/7/16 14:42, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: >> Folks, >> >> My second attempt at getting discussion started around a name was much= >> more successful than my first attempt=E2=80=A6=20 >> >> So=E2=80=A6 EMO (Education, Mentoring, and Outreach) seems to be out=E2= =80=A6=20 >> >> Current suggestions include:=20 >> >> EO - Education and Outreach=20 >> ME - Mentoring and Education >> POEM - Productivity, Outreach, Education, and Mentoring >> MEOW - Mentoring, Education, Outreach, Wisdom (probably not serious=E2= =80=A6 ) >> >> Any additional suggestions?=20 >> >> Regards, >> Karen >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> >=20 > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 13 08:37:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D188D12D0E2 for ; 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Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:33:44 +0000; 1468424024.428 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:33:43 +0000 (UTC) From: To: Brian E Carpenter , Mirjam Kuehne , Karen O'Donoghue , IETF edu Team , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" Message-ID: <670083970.3121097.1468424023633.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4D4C2BEE-AACC-47F0-8DD2-490B015B7A53@isoc.org> <782d7071-9216-9c61-10c0-6f930e40b567@ripe.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3121096_1168076619.1468424023629" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] name for this directorate formally known as EMO X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:36:52 -0000 ------=_Part_3121096_1168076619.1468424023629 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >On 14/07/2016 01:14, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> I quite like ME. It's nice and short and doesn't contain Outreach >> explicitly. Even thought Education and Mentoring is clearly part of the >> outreach activities, I am still not convinced this group should or can >> be responsible for the IETF Outreach as a whole. >Then MEW - Mentoring, Education, Welcome. MEW is good! =C2=A0+1 from me. =C2=A0 Many fun things can be done with that= acronym. =C2=A0=C2=A0 >I agree that we should limit 'Outreach' to new particpants; outreach >to the operations community, for example, is a whole different box of tric= ks. Guys, I believe very strongly in supporting outreach to various regions (as= well as operations). =C2=A0I know it is hard. =C2=A0But, it is very import= ant to do. =C2=A0 =C2=A0For example, we have just started an Internet Draft= Review Team that Fred Baker is co-mentoring for IPv6 that has 2 people fro= m Africa, and one each from Latin America and India. Supporting regional efforts is a really important thing to do for us. Karen / Benoit, what was the initial thinking on merging Outreach with EDU = / Mentoring? =C2=A0Was it the Remote Hub business? What about a directorate that has two WGs: MEW and OUT. =C2=A0With OUT comp= rising of OUTREACH, LABS, etc. =C2=A0 Maybe the directorate can be called: = PROD (for IETF Productivity). =C2=A0 What do you guys think? Nalini >=20 > Mirjam >=20 >=20 > On 13/7/16 14:42, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: >> Folks, >> >> My second attempt at getting discussion started around a name was much >> more successful than my first attempt=E2=80=A6=20 >> >> So=E2=80=A6 EMO (Education, Mentoring, and Outreach) seems to be out=E2= =80=A6=20 >> >> Current suggestions include:=20 >> >> EO - Education and Outreach=20 >> ME - Mentoring and Education >> POEM - Productivity, Outreach, Education, and Mentoring >> MEOW - Mentoring, Education, Outreach, Wisdom (probably not serious=E2= =80=A6 ) >> >> Any additional suggestions?=20 >> >> Regards, >> Karen >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> >=20 > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >=20 _______________________________________________ mentoring-coordinators mailing list mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators ------=_Part_3121096_1168076619.1468424023629 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


>On 14/07/2016 01:14, Mirjam Kuehne wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> = I quite like ME. It's nice and short and doesn't contain Outreach
>> explicitly. Even thought Education and Mentoring is clea= rly part of the
>> outreach activities, I am still = not convinced this group should or can
>> be respon= sible for the IETF Outreach as a whole.

>Then MEW - Mentoring, Education, Welcome.

MEW is good!  +1 from me.   Many fun things can be done with t= hat acronym.   

>I agree that we should limit= 'Outreach' to new particpants; outreach
>to the opera= tions community, for example, is a whole different box of tricks.
Guys, I believe very strongly in supporting outreach to various reg= ions (as well as operations).  I know it is hard.  But, it is ver= y important to do.    For example, we have just started an Intern= et Draft Review Team that Fred Baker is co-mentoring for IPv6 that has 2 pe= ople from Africa, and one each from Latin America and India.

Supporting regional efforts is a really important thing to do for us.

Karen / Benoit, what was the initial thinking on merging Out= reach with EDU / Mentoring?  Was it the Remote Hub business?
What about a directorate that has two WGs: MEW and OUT.=  With OUT comprising of OUTREACH, LABS, etc.   Maybe the directo= rate can be called: PROD (for IETF Productivity).  
=
What do you guys think?

=
Nalini


>
> Mirjam
>
>
> On 13/7/16= 14:42, Karen O'Donoghue wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> My second attempt at getting = discussion started around a name was much
>> more s= uccessful than my first attempt=E2=80=A6
>>
>> So=E2=80=A6 EMO (Education, Mentoring, and Outreach) s= eems to be out=E2=80=A6
>>
>&= gt; Current suggestions include:
>>
>> EO - Education and Outreach
>> ME - M= entoring and Education
>> POEM - Productivity, Outr= each, Education, and Mentoring
>> MEOW - Mentoring,= Education, Outreach, Wisdom (probably not serious=E2=80=A6 )
>>
>> Any additional suggestions?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Karen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>= _______________________________________________
>>= edu-team mailing list
>> edu-team@ie= tf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org= /mailman/listinfo/edu-team
>>
>
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> edu-team@ietf.org
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Nalini From: Wesley Eddy To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com; "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" =20 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Still More Mentee Sign Ups : Please = match =20 Nalini - I haven't been able yet to find a volunteer to match for Anchal.= =C2=A0 I sent 2 queries to the mentor list, but did not receive any respons= es, so I think we need to take an alternate approach for that one.=20 =20 On 7/5/2016 1:39 PM, Wesley Eddy wrote: =20 =20 ACK.=C2=A0 I'll work mine now.=C2=A0 I still have one from the previous lis= t that needs a match (and I just re-transmitted the request to the mentors = list, so that may be resolved soon). =20 On 7/3/2016 5:07 PM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote: =20 Guys,=20 Thank you all for your help in matching mentees. We have some more. These= appear to all be attending in person. Please verify that they are coming = to Berlin and would like a mentor. If you will not be able to do this in t= he next few days, please let me know. PLEASE ALSO CONFIRM THAT YOU HAVE GOT= TEN THIS AND ARE STARTING otherwise, I will assign to someone else. Felicia: Vinayak Tessa: Vinayak Bart : Wes Gaurav: Marius Ziayaad: Gowri Also, if you have had any trouble matching the other ones that you have, pl= ease let me know. I will also get the Mentoring spreadsheet set up so that= you can put in your matches. (Sorry to be late on that!)=20 Thanks, Nalini Elkins Inside Products, Inc. www.insidethestack.com (831) 659-8360 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ mentoring-coordinators mailing list mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators =20 =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ mentoring-coordinators mailing list mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators ------=_Part_3261985_1969779646.1468441008091 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wes,

= Sure.  I will deal with this.  Let me look.

Nalini

From: Wesley Eddy <wes@mti-systems.com>
To: nalini.elkin= s@insidethestack.com; "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" <mentoring-coord= inators@ietf.org>
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468431466937_701= 06">Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coor= dinators] Still More Mentee Sign Ups : Please=09match
<= br>
Nalini - I haven't be= en able yet to find a volunteer to match for Anchal.  I sent 2 queries to the mentor list, but did not receiv= e any responses, so I think we need to take an alternate approach for that one.


=
On 7/5/2016 1:39 PM, Wesley Eddy wrote:
ACK.  I'll work mine now.  I= still have one from the previous list that needs a match (and I just re-transmitted the request to the mentors list, so that may be resolved soon).

On 7/3/2016 5:07 PM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:
Guys,=20

Thank you all for your help in matching mentees.  We have some more.  These=
 appear to all be attending in person.  Please verify that they are coming =
to Berlin and would like a mentor.  If you will not be able to do this in t=
he next few days, please let me know. PLEASE ALSO CONFIRM THAT YOU HAVE GOT=
TEN THIS AND ARE STARTING otherwise, I will assign to someone else.

Felicia: Vinayak
Tessa:   Vinayak
Bart :   Wes
Gaurav:  Marius
Ziayaad: Gowri

Also, if you have had any trouble matching the other ones that you have, pl=
ease let me know.  I will also get the Mentoring spreadsheet set up so that=
 you can put in your matches.  (Sorry to be late on that!)=20
Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
Inside Products, Inc.
www.insid=
ethestack.com
(831) 659-8360



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All,

= Four more mentees to assign:

Nathal= ie Trenaman : Vinayak
Daniel Raumer : Marius
Meghashree Kedalagudde: Gowri
Samuel Jero : Wes

Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
Inside Pro= ducts, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
(831) 659-8360
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We have a newcomer who has 6 drafts underway in SFC, NETMOD / YANG, and SPRING. Eliot Lear is his general mentor. We were thinking it might be good to get a team of 3 or 4 mentors together to take a look at the drafts and provide some guidance. Maybe you could all sit around the table with the mentee and discuss. If you are interested, please let us know. Please let me know if you want me to send you links to the drafts that we are talking about. 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[76.188.215.129]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z127sm14884355itg.17.2016.07.14.10.40.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:40:23 -0700 (PDT) To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com, "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" References: <994536932.1231872.1468050357140.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <994536932.1231872.1468050357140.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Wesley Eddy Message-ID: <58eecf1a-a782-ffa9-98ff-3317d12c2b93@mti-systems.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:40:20 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <994536932.1231872.1468050357140.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9D6FE1E6A02896A3ABFB293B" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Mentees to Assign: July 9, 2016 X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:40:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9D6FE1E6A02896A3ABFB293B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI - Avik's questionnaire response says that he is not planning to attend in person, yet later says he's interested in Sunday noon speed mentoring. I've sent him an email to try to deconflict these responses, and make sure he's really coming before matching with a mentor. On 7/9/2016 3:45 AM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote: > Folks, > > We have a few more. I will be sending out an email blast soon to the newcomers, so we may get more to assign. As always, please let me know that you have received this & are starting. > > Andreas Lieberth : Vinayak > Ekaterina Volodina : Marius > Avik Dutta : Wes > Sebastian Oglaza : Gowri > Thanks, > > Nalini Elkins > Inside Products, Inc. > www.insidethestack.com > (831) 659-8360 > > > _______________________________________________ > mentoring-coordinators mailing list > mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators --------------9D6FE1E6A02896A3ABFB293B Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

FYI - Avik's questionnaire response says that he is not planning to attend in person, yet later says he's interested in Sunday noon speed mentoring.

I've sent him an email to try to deconflict these responses, and make sure he's really coming before matching with a mentor.



On 7/9/2016 3:45 AM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:
Folks,

We have a few more.  I will be sending out an email blast soon to the newcomers, so we may get more to assign.  As always, please let me know that you have received this & are starting.

Andreas Lieberth    : Vinayak
Ekaterina Volodina  : Marius
Avik Dutta          : Wes
Sebastian Oglaza    : Gowri
 Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
Inside Products, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
(831) 659-8360


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--------------9D6FE1E6A02896A3ABFB293B-- From nobody Thu Jul 14 10:50:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C4A12D15A for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:50:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=yahoo.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9BWqR-C5fQbY for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp107.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (smtp107.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.207.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A7CB12D0EF for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20378 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2016 17:50:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1468518617; bh=+x/s4fljIFNNL3KPf6/7EQtqSebXkR/yYyAG5xxmGJ4=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To; b=yvfwwkZ0bZfCjcWv6G5YMfkqQl0XGc+TNJVS7itRMuQN1pxzj6mYJ+T6sK0fmeIF02o6g2Y7nSssSK3eBuOW6dAxoiiSqM1CF+XkNvXgSc8zW8Vy6q0sIawBZKRbyGEwATDa9rocqgk1574dHaCnDofMOG2H1ZHYEmKqmgBtHuw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: veThAvEVM1l7PBzxLjv009ND5Jhg9oA4MCsqYfDb9paWf5c 5ugy.oDApVqD_y4fMTcXEQplyXCynI5WaSB8b0bNvWnd0.r3S_4MVOQPNJ_S aNa2eOFnffacIugDE9dUfHudf2bIAKGsBo24M3tZuBppOcHrRcyNXPfJ9QUG wWGEkAxZwd8pXspfAdCuYZVTBFBocgCN7XIvtpffau.NZHmpkDvzckVzd.ZK YdsufFp32pIHGrRL8SDOBXHo5YQpMPR332oEMGCi2O0ANkgslx_dvfqTjeKH N6cu1oLzBeiYkvU6uq7.uhwZWNDN6o_ctPYxQbv3f0q5ccL7OxqPOR50ck72 iTQTPwRJZTU8AAIybJfYl0HoK_V8gIgqdBBHnbWnRjPzR25xNDx.Acs6ox_m K57i55xBu4ft5mu7BAjZfWr7vhq8dQY81Uea8XGAdaG_K00n0jVg7KjauKEE uMXu.P7a.lfY5VmJqL4GBH.kOFfcI2bgRoR44xfaO0NgfB24jYC3R6oIQAaB fiOrGMC49J4ppX6aGdE56OWmJB6zrC1veKlY6zBhiybFPfeSN_HCRpOyzFFY yTc5mYqr2C0O7nwfj2BWMOmH_sw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: kqLn9h2swBBD0bOrAvWavgJF7WhZWryL8jA- Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1042A897-E6CD-426C-A7A6-84C69F3C258A Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Nalini Elkins X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) In-Reply-To: <58eecf1a-a782-ffa9-98ff-3317d12c2b93@mti-systems.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 19:50:10 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <994536932.1231872.1468050357140.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <994536932.1231872.1468050357140.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <58eecf1a-a782-ffa9-98ff-3317d12c2b93@mti-systems.com> To: Wesley Eddy Archived-At: Cc: "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Mentees to Assign: July 9, 2016 X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:50:19 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1042A897-E6CD-426C-A7A6-84C69F3C258A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm. Thanks! Nalini Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Wesley Eddy wrote: >=20 > FYI - Avik's questionnaire response says that he is not planning to attend= in person, yet later says he's interested in Sunday noon speed mentoring. >=20 > I've sent him an email to try to deconflict these responses, and make sure= he's really coming before matching with a mentor. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 7/9/2016 3:45 AM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote: >> Folks, >>=20 >> We have a few more. I will be sending out an email blast soon to the new= comers, so we may get more to assign. As always, please let me know that yo= u have received this & are starting. >>=20 >> Andreas Lieberth : Vinayak >> Ekaterina Volodina : Marius >> Avik Dutta : Wes >> Sebastian Oglaza : Gowri >> Thanks, >>=20 >> Nalini Elkins >> Inside Products, Inc. >> www.insidethestack.com >> (831) 659-8360 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> mentoring-coordinators mailing list >> mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mentoring-coordinators mailing list > mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators --Apple-Mail-1042A897-E6CD-426C-A7A6-84C69F3C258A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hmm.

Thanks!
Nalini

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Wesley Eddy <wes@mti-systems.com> wrote:

FYI - Avik's questionnaire response says that he is not planning to attend in person, yet later says he's interested in Sunday noon speed mentoring.

I've sent him an email to try to deconflict these responses, and make sure he's really coming before matching with a mentor.



On 7/9/2016 3:45 AM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:
Folks,

We have a few more.  I will be sending out an email blast soon to the newcomers, so we may get more to assign.  As always, please let me know that you have received this & are starting.

Andreas Lieberth    : Vinayak
Ekaterina Volodina  : Marius
Avik Dutta          : Wes
Sebastian Oglaza    : Gowri
 Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
Inside Products, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
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Hi Karen,

Thanks for driving this to completion.

Wondering about one bullet point, probably editorial:

·        Improve metrics and measurements for assessing effectiveness of directorate activities

I guess you mean:

·        Improve metrics and measurements for assessing effectiveness of this directorate activities


First time I read it, I thought you wanted to assess my OPS, MIB doctors, or YANG doctors activities. :-)

Regards, B.
Folks,

Attached is the updated framework document for what I am now calling the 
Education, Mentoring, and Outreach (EMO) directorate. I addressed all the
comments received. I didn’t receive any comments on the name so I made
a slight modification to give us a clear acronym. I have sent the draft to Jari
directly to see if he has any comments and to get guidance on the next steps
for moving forward. I expect this will be one of the first topics for our Thursday
AM meeting. 

Regards,
Karen




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Ack, I will do mine today.

Thanks,<= br>
Gowri

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 3:47 AM, <nalini.elkin= s@insidethestack.com> wrote:
All,

Four more m= entees to assign:

Nathalie Trenaman : Vinayak
Daniel Raumer : Marius
Megh= ashree Kedalagudde: Gowri
Samuel Jero : Wes

Tha= nks,

Nalini Elkins
Inside Products, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
(83= 1) 659-8360

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Hello All,

If you ha= ve time, please come to the Speed Mentoring session in Schoeneberg at noon today.

In Speed Mentori= ng, newcomers and experienced IETFers spend five minutes talking to each ot= her, then switch to another person.   It has proven quite popular in t= he past.
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W= ould love to see you there!
 
Tha= nks,

Nalini Elkins
IETF Mentoring Team

Inside Products, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
(831) 65= 9-8360
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Welcome to Berlin!

A reminder that we will have our Spe= ed Mentoring session in Schoeneberg at noon today.

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In Speed Mentori= ng, newcomers and experienced IETFers spend five minutes talking to each ot= her, then switch to another person.   It has proven quite popular in t= he past.
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Would love to see you there!
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Thanks,
 
Nalini Elkins
IETF Mentoring Team

Inside Products, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
(831) 659-8360
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<1497224257.357371.1468733128161.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1497224257.357371.1468733128161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221AD3678@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> To: Gregory Mirsky Archived-At: Cc: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org>, Karen O'Donoghue , "nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com" , Mirjam Kuehne , Benoit Claise , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [96attendees] Speed Mentoring : Noon on Sunday X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:56:52 -0000 --Apple-Mail-DB7A78B9-189C-49BA-96FF-986C567FF590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mentors, please!!! We have quite a few new people here! I could use some help! Thanks, Nalini Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 17, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Gregory Mirsky = wrote: >=20 > Will be there > =20 > From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of nalin= i.elkins@insidethestack.com > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:25 AM > To: 96 Attendees <96attendees@ietf.org> > Cc: Benoit Claise ; mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org; Mi= rjam Kuehne ; Karen O'Donoghue > Subject: [96attendees] Speed Mentoring : Noon on Sunday > =20 > Hello All, > =20 > If you have time, please come to the Speed Mentoring session in Schoeneber= g at noon today. > =20 > In Speed Mentoring, newcomers and experienced IETFers spend five minutes t= alking to each other, then switch to another person. It has proven quite p= opular in the past. > =20 > Would love to see you there! > =20 > Thanks, >=20 > Nalini Elkins > IETF Mentoring Team > =20 > Inside Products, Inc. > www.insidethestack.com > (831) 659-8360 > _______________________________________________ > mentoring-coordinators mailing list > mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators --Apple-Mail-DB7A78B9-189C-49BA-96FF-986C567FF590 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Mentors, please!!!

We have quite a few new people here!

I could use some help!

Thanks,
Nalini

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 17, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com> wrote:

Will be there

 

From: 96attendees [mailto:96attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com
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Subject: [96attendees] Speed Mentoring : Noon on Sunday

 

Hello All,

 

If you have time, please come to the Speed Mentoring session in Schoeneberg at noon today.

 

In Speed Mentoring, newcomers and experienced IETFers spend five minutes talking to each other, then switch to another person.   It has proven quite popular in the past.

 

Would love to see you there!

 

Thanks,

Nalini Elkins

IETF Mentoring Team

 

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She is interested in the art, int, ops, rtg, and sec areas. Please let me know if you can help. Thanks, Nalini Elkins IETF Mentoring Program Inside Products, Inc. www.insidethestack.com (831) 659-8360 From nobody Mon Jul 18 02:47:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2CC12D5CB; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 02:47:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jzjzsU2etVFP; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 02:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E1A112D814; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 02:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6I9hRgq023100; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:43:27 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dhcp-a1d1.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.161.209]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6I9hQGH023075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:43:27 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , <96-mentors@ietf.org> References: <2056595877.740277.1468834426702.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <2056595877.740277.1468834426702.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:43:29 +0100 Message-ID: <079b01d1e0d8$d765b620$86312260$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKU74Z+14HrIWg74ma0Rc01bu05pQEsglL5no5uOzA= Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22458.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--1.854-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--1.854-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: zGP2F0O7j/v8BymGA9MWAmOho7buv7d9flWvrY6z7GLdJ1eBPxsok8Lm p4jPUF8tAWMdzSV1IwYVh9xJax08NfKFri4StE39iUPZPmKZOQm0k7HugtylSJTORr84pjK1L1M I7JW4oIh0FMHLXnnEfTY7eqdp6+4cjyxvgNKrxKZCvapcIkxJX/VyxeTOBKrUydovWuL+KVdT1r rN8sUDVrfqHaErmu92kZOl7WKIImq0P2qkGU0XylZ0V5tYhzdWxEHRux+uk8hbYWBUPhcnfRxkL vJZ8CYv9kpkselo1lVbzh3LSQeVekA6iFCFBhQAz3VWUxsUlXt+3BndfXUhXQ== Archived-At: Cc: 'Konstantinos Komaitis' , 'Dan York' , mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [96-mentors] Mentor needed for ISOC Policy Guest X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:47:29 -0000 Nalini, Sounds like "interested in the IETF" :-) I'd be happy to try to help although my days are filling up a bit. Put me in touch and I'll see how I can help. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: 96-mentors [mailto:96-mentors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com > Sent: 18 July 2016 10:34 > To: 96-mentors@ietf.org > Cc: Konstantinos Komaitis; Dan York; mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org > Subject: [96-mentors] Mentor needed for ISOC Policy Guest > > Mentors, > > We need a mentor for the a person from the Internet Society Public Policy Guest > program that brings regulators and other government officials to IETF meetings. > > > She is interested in the art, int, ops, rtg, and sec areas. > > Please let me know if you can help. > Thanks, > > > Nalini Elkins > IETF Mentoring Program > Inside Products, Inc. > www.insidethestack.com > (831) 659-8360 > > _______________________________________________ > 96-mentors mailing list > 96-mentors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96-mentors From nobody Mon Jul 18 02:55:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FE412D523 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 02:55:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yahoo.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9InPY9qomk-n for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 02:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm12-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 337D112D187 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 02:55:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1468835745; bh=e7iWmecslcCmEW28ShARDnxiGI4uQg+R8Fw9H92lARk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=SVnUJ0s1aJYCnmVMYuPeBbL0t15dBK8TenfWohwqLQdykBk1xAgaZpYd6IdLRqs0OVOi2d7Kl54D65XLvxrBCdsQMh9ektPlepw75RL5u7o54H4m3knZni/uKZjMH8OLpSGSdtnED+af4aWy+Ham0m1NyJEClGs1my4qw4zZP18ctORgiilVQe2dKhlB3MrSstdVX44uhe2/uhrJA1xvhGeUt2+dBsjiVcDNlcpwD5Nz7mALghC3GT/632wp+pGRZcxwUV+KPwn4GOO4vhf41XAXUcq0PLWwMB+y0WqFB7ZB0uqWIJKyZ1oYoXYdhWzFyTrZbj/lqdEQdAARndU/NQ== Received: from [98.138.100.113] by nm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2016 09:55:45 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.234] by tm104.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2016 09:55:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2016 09:55:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 627760.25924.bm@omp1049.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: Yx354jEVM1m1H_mGTBEswQujRByLawhGzKayqQd3tW4biabNjFh3glVNqEPgrtm 250raeGdfuCliQsGfsObjArjOiLE3BFLgxM9hjxbrO_YBeT2r3KG3KRsn7w3bcRBW1dARYK8kxET q8Vll.X5nJlinKzkwnsFpE0VvUJHAUWTPoFGYHUEAPWIF79URIiWWokI9Z3OlrdnCSFTVh7CAWpc iZk_DonPMmDMljqR23nhj.Rp9uvu_O6Zk3U0N26EpQOoP826nmngvqVxAhu_OU0Vo2UnDbqqn1sX R9QXLpa8Jc5wIpkA07lcDoApKsKFhcF9Peh6f3JO0fKWBB2Oetc6FBpiaJjiwHVqkPQpISysTJxx TitqJn.VA1fZRZvqcaNVPRL4UwK5jHvCpwGmeia15uKZ.GGds_mbktvDDqSTbPzWD5yWBcb5CqnO .Kon.NZX..KO.auvHhbgxpncwnE8bGaNvU_xer_.lSHiFU.skoDDFrOH2LhU5fekTTPW9Dkc8C23 B7kWa7TP_OiWjDXC7j_atW5e1WIsGUAystv7GpU_scuGCeCyEf188wh5mLgvQbw-- Received: from jws100200.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sendmailws141.mail.ne1.yahoo.com; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:55:45 +0000; 1468835745.088 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:55:29 +0000 (UTC) From: To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "felicia.holness@ofcom.org.uk" Message-ID: <1570005721.749234.1468835729984.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <079b01d1e0d8$d765b620$86312260$@olddog.co.uk> References: <2056595877.740277.1468834426702.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <079b01d1e0d8$d765b620$86312260$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: 'Konstantinos Komaitis' , 'Dan York' , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" Subject: [Mentoring-coordinators] Introduction : Mentor / Mentee X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:55:48 -0000 Adrian and Felicia, Let me introduce you. Adrian is a long-time IETF contributor who is co-chair of two IETF working groups: the L3VPN Service Model (L3SM) working group and the Interface to Network Security Functions (I2NSF) working group. He was previously a Routing Area Director in the IETF. You may also wish to read his Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Farrel BTW, he is a heck of a nice guy! Felicia is an Internet Society Public Policy Guest program that brings regulators and other government officials to IETF meetings. Thanks so much, Adrian. Good luck to both of you. Welcome to the IETF, Felicia. 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Nalini Elkins Inside Products, Inc. www.insidethestack.com (831) 659-8360 ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Farrel To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com; 96-mentors@ietf.org Cc: 'Konstantinos Komaitis' ; 'Dan York' ; mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [96-mentors] Mentor needed for ISOC Policy Guest Nalini, Sounds like "interested in the IETF" :-) I'd be happy to try to help although my days are filling up a bit. Put me in touch and I'll see how I can help. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: 96-mentors [mailto:96-mentors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com > Sent: 18 July 2016 10:34 > To: 96-mentors@ietf.org > Cc: Konstantinos Komaitis; Dan York; mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org > Subject: [96-mentors] Mentor needed for ISOC Policy Guest > > Mentors, > > We need a mentor for the a person from the Internet Society Public Policy Guest > program that brings regulators and other government officials to IETF meetings. > > > She is interested in the art, int, ops, rtg, and sec areas. > > Please let me know if you can help. > Thanks, > > > Nalini Elkins > IETF Mentoring Program > Inside Products, Inc. > www.insidethestack.com > (831) 659-8360 > > _______________________________________________ > 96-mentors mailing list > 96-mentors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96-mentors _______________________________________________ mentoring-coordinators mailing list mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org 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Spam Total Points: -10.7 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -7.5 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.3 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: 7e0932718cf60c1d07d29cd25dae9274ab3811b87788e32534f5a1e8926b0b8a Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] EMO (EDU, Mentoring, outreach coordination) @ IETF 96 X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:41:01 -0000 Hi all, I just confirmed with the secretariat: We will meet in room Tegel. Please come a little earlier, so we can start the meeting at 8:00. Hope to see you all tomorrow, Mirjam On 18/7/16 14:15, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > I apologize if I missed the message, but I do not know what room the meeting tomorrow morning is planned to be hold. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mentoring-coordinators [mailto:mentoring-coordinators- >> bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Karen O'Donoghue >> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 1:18 PM >> To: edu-team@ietf.org; mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org >> Subject: [Mentoring-coordinators] EMO (EDU, Mentoring, outreach >> coordination) @ IETF 96 >> >> Folks, >> >> >> >> We now have two EMO related meetings scheduled for the upcoming IETF >> week. >> >> >> >> Tuesday 19 July 8:00 - 9:00 am - Tutorial Planning >> >> This meeting will be focused primarily on operational aspects of the following >> projects: >> >> 1. F2F Tutorials at IETF Meetings >> >> 2. Online Learning Library >> >> 7. Ongoing Document Maintenance >> >> This meeting will be to discuss the tutorial planning process in general, next >> steps in making the tutorials in general more accessible, and specific tutorial >> needs over the next year. >> >> Breakfast will be available at 7:45 am and the meeting will start at 8:00 am. >> >> >> >> Thursday 21 July 8:00 - 9:00 am — Next Steps in Education, Mentoring and >> Outreach Directorate >> >> This meeting will be about establishing an Education, Mentoring, and >> Outreach (name and charter document yet to be finalized) Directorate, basic >> work plans and processes for the overall directorate, a review of the current >> projects underway including next steps for these projects, and a >> brainstorming on future ideas to be explored. This is the broader planning >> and coordination meeting. >> >> Breakfast will be available at 7:45 am and the meeting will start at 8:00 am. >> >> >> >> ACTION: For breakfast planning purposes, please RSVP to me ASAP regarding >> which of these meetings you will be attending and whether or not you are >> staying at the venue hotel. (There is a discount for breakfast for those >> staying at the hotel.) >> >> >> >> The location of the meetings will be sent once this is finalized. >> >> >> >> Finally, in addition to the two meetings above and the ongoing mentoring >> throughout the week, the following is a summary of the scheduled EMO >> related sessions during the week (see agenda for exact details): >> >> >> >> Speed Mentoring (Sun 12-1) >> >> Newcomers Orientation (Sun 1-3) >> >> Newcomers Orientation (in German) (Sun 1-3) >> >> Internet Draft Review Teams (Sun 3-4) >> >> Emerging Work in IEEE 802 (Sun 3-4) >> >> Newcomer’s Meet and Greet (Sun 4-5) >> >> Regional Mentoring (Wed 845-945) >> >> WG Chairs Forum (Wed 1230-2) >> >> >> >> We will have short surveys for each organized session, and we will be doing a >> post event survey on the overall newcomer experience. If you have any free >> time, please drop by some of these activities to get your own thoughts and >> perspectives. I would like to follow up this IETF with another post mortem >> discussion and brainstorming session to identify further improvement. We >> will also want to tune our metrics and measurements associated with this >> activity. >> >> >> >> I hope you managed to read all the way to the end. Apologies as this got >> longer than I intended. >> >> >> >> See you in Berlin! >> >> Karen >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > From nobody Mon Jul 18 17:37:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC7512B02C; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:37:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.921 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit 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mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:39:59 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: "Karen O'Donoghue" Thread-Topic: [Mentoring-coordinators] name for this directorate formally known as EMO Thread-Index: AQHR4W85/UEnUiSfMUCEgKwUDYAuag== Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:39:59 +0000 Message-ID: <8B908004-D60E-4BEB-A700-A4A9C407F193@cisco.com> References: <4D4C2BEE-AACC-47F0-8DD2-490B015B7A53@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <4D4C2BEE-AACC-47F0-8DD2-490B015B7A53@isoc.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.61.100.31] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AADEB3E6-5D92-463B-BC3D-D5656E3266DB"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IETF edu Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] name for this directorate formally known as EMO X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:40:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AADEB3E6-5D92-463B-BC3D-D5656E3266DB Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B116A894-10B8-4EEC-8E77-13B13F47EF20" --Apple-Mail=_B116A894-10B8-4EEC-8E77-13B13F47EF20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 So I'm on the Emo Directorate. If it has a web page, it should have a = link to the definition: I'd suggest = http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=3Demo%20(adjective) :-) > On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Karen O'Donoghue = wrote: >=20 > Folks, >=20 > My second attempt at getting discussion started around a name was much = more successful than my first attempt=E2=80=A6 >=20 > So=E2=80=A6 EMO (Education, Mentoring, and Outreach) seems to be = out=E2=80=A6 >=20 > Current suggestions include: >=20 > EO - Education and Outreach > ME - Mentoring and Education > POEM - Productivity, Outreach, Education, and Mentoring > MEOW - Mentoring, Education, Outreach, Wisdom (probably not serious=E2=80= =A6 ) >=20 > Any additional suggestions? >=20 > Regards, > Karen >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mentoring-coordinators mailing list > mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators --Apple-Mail=_B116A894-10B8-4EEC-8E77-13B13F47EF20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 So I'm on the Emo Directorate. If it has a web page, it = should have a link to the definition: I'd suggest http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=3Demo%20(adjecti= ve)

:-)

On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Karen O'Donoghue = <odonoghue@isoc.org> wrote:

Folks,

My second attempt at getting discussion started around a = name was much more successful than my first attempt=E2=80=A6 

So=E2=80=A6 EMO (Education, Mentoring, and Outreach) = seems to be out=E2=80=A6 

Current suggestions include: 

EO - Education and Outreach 
ME - Mentoring and Education
POEM - Productivity, Outreach, Education, and Mentoring
MEOW - Mentoring, Education, Outreach, Wisdom (probably = not serious=E2=80=A6 )

Any additional suggestions? 

Regards,
Karen


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([2001:67c:370:136:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n89sm1655932qte.38.2016.07.18.22.16.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:16:22 -0700 (PDT) To: Karen O'Donoghue , "nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com" References: <4D4C2BEE-AACC-47F0-8DD2-490B015B7A53@isoc.org> <782d7071-9216-9c61-10c0-6f930e40b567@ripe.net> <670083970.3121097.1468424023633.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <29E5C13B-704A-40FB-8804-B9F4D3A3FEBE@isoc.org> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <66cdccc8-78d1-0451-b3b3-fc8cd6fdac46@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:16:23 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <29E5C13B-704A-40FB-8804-B9F4D3A3FEBE@isoc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IETF edu Team , Mirjam Kuehne Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] name for this directorate formally known as EMO X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 05:16:26 -0000 On 19/07/2016 12:36, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: > So, we could be radical and not use an acronym=E2=80=A6 so that it is c= lear to anyone reading the name instead of having to decipher it=E2=80=A6= Something simple like: >=20 > "Education and Mentoring" Yes. I liked EDU because it was pretty much self-explanatory. But if we want to expand the scope, spelling it out seems reasonable. Brian >=20 > On Jul 13, 2016, at 5:33 PM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 14/07/2016 01:14, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I quite like ME. It's nice and short and doesn't contain Outreach >>> explicitly. Even thought Education and Mentoring is clearly part of t= he >>> outreach activities, I am still not convinced this group should or ca= n >>> be responsible for the IETF Outreach as a whole. >=20 >> Then MEW - Mentoring, Education, Welcome. >=20 > MEW is good! +1 from me. Many fun things can be done with that acron= ym. >=20 >> I agree that we should limit 'Outreach' to new particpants; outreach >> to the operations community, for example, is a whole different box of = tricks. >=20 > Guys, I believe very strongly in supporting outreach to various regions= (as well as operations). I know it is hard. But, it is very important = to do. For example, we have just started an Internet Draft Review Team= that Fred Baker is co-mentoring for IPv6 that has 2 people from Africa, = and one each from Latin America and India. >=20 > Supporting regional efforts is a really important thing to do for us. >=20 > Karen / Benoit, what was the initial thinking on merging Outreach with = EDU / Mentoring? Was it the Remote Hub business? >=20 > What about a directorate that has two WGs: MEW and OUT. With OUT compr= ising of OUTREACH, LABS, etc. Maybe the directorate can be called: PROD= (for IETF Productivity). >=20 > What do you guys think? >=20 > Nalini >=20 >=20 >> >> Mirjam >> >> >> On 13/7/16 14:42, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: >>> Folks, >>> >>> My second attempt at getting discussion started around a name was muc= h >>> more successful than my first attempt=E2=80=A6 >>> >>> So=E2=80=A6 EMO (Education, Mentoring, and Outreach) seems to be out=E2= =80=A6 >>> >>> Current suggestions include: >>> >>> EO - Education and Outreach >>> ME - Mentoring and Education >>> POEM - Productivity, Outreach, Education, and Mentoring >>> MEOW - Mentoring, Education, Outreach, Wisdom (probably not serious=E2= =80=A6 ) >>> >>> Any additional suggestions? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Karen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> edu-team mailing list >>> edu-team@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >=20 >> >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mentoring-coordinators mailing list > mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org= > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Tue Jul 19 00:15:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88D3127078; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 00:15:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E7MUFuhTutvh; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 00:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from molamola.ripe.net (molamola.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1371]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBE1112B040; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 00:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from titi.ripe.net ([193.0.23.11]) by molamola.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1bPPFp-0007zH-VW; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:15:47 +0200 Received: from sslvpn.ipv6.ripe.net ([2001:67c:2e8:9::c100:14e6] helo=dhcp-b1c7.meeting.ietf.org) by titi.ripe.net with esmtps (UNKNOWN:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1bPPFp-0007XJ-QA; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:15:45 +0200 To: Karen O'Donoghue , "nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com" References: <4D4C2BEE-AACC-47F0-8DD2-490B015B7A53@isoc.org> <782d7071-9216-9c61-10c0-6f930e40b567@ripe.net> <670083970.3121097.1468424023633.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <29E5C13B-704A-40FB-8804-B9F4D3A3FEBE@isoc.org> From: Mirjam Kuehne Message-ID: <6db002fd-f2b5-bc83-174e-c127ba0a7726@ripe.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:15:45 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <29E5C13B-704A-40FB-8804-B9F4D3A3FEBE@isoc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---------- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -10.7 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -7.5 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.3 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0004] X-RIPE-Signature: 7e0932718cf60c1d07d29cd25dae927452286e640a47b5c48339ab7ff22967f4 Archived-At: Cc: "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IETF edu Team , Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] name for this directorate formally known as EMO X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:15:52 -0000 On 19/7/16 02:36, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: > So, we could be radical and not use an acronym… so that it is clear to > anyone reading the name instead of having to decipher it… Something > simple like: > > "Education and Mentoring" Yes, I like that. Mirjam > >> On Jul 13, 2016, at 5:33 PM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >On 14/07/2016 01:14, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I quite like ME. It's nice and short and doesn't contain Outreach >> >> explicitly. Even thought Education and Mentoring is clearly part of the >> >> outreach activities, I am still not convinced this group should or can >> >> be responsible for the IETF Outreach as a whole. >> >> >Then MEW - Mentoring, Education, Welcome. >> >> MEW is good! +1 from me. Many fun things can be done with that >> acronym. >> >> >I agree that we should limit 'Outreach' to new particpants; outreach >> >to the operations community, for example, is a whole different box of >> tricks. >> >> Guys, I believe very strongly in supporting outreach to various >> regions (as well as operations). I know it is hard. But, it is very >> important to do. For example, we have just started an Internet >> Draft Review Team that Fred Baker is co-mentoring for IPv6 that has 2 >> people from Africa, and one each from Latin America and India. >> >> Supporting regional efforts is a really important thing to do for us. >> >> Karen / Benoit, what was the initial thinking on merging Outreach with >> EDU / Mentoring? Was it the Remote Hub business? >> >> What about a directorate that has two WGs: MEW and OUT. With OUT >> comprising of OUTREACH, LABS, etc. Maybe the directorate can be >> called: PROD (for IETF Productivity). >> >> What do you guys think? >> >> Nalini >> >> >> > >> > Mirjam >> > >> > >> > On 13/7/16 14:42, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> >> >> My second attempt at getting discussion started around a name was much >> >> more successful than my first attempt… >> >> >> >> So… EMO (Education, Mentoring, and Outreach) seems to be out… >> >> >> >> Current suggestions include: >> >> >> >> EO - Education and Outreach >> >> ME - Mentoring and Education >> >> POEM - Productivity, Outreach, Education, and Mentoring >> >> MEOW - Mentoring, Education, Outreach, Wisdom (probably not serious… ) >> >> >> >> Any additional suggestions? >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Karen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> edu-team mailing list >> >> edu-team@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > edu-team mailing list >> > edu-team@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mentoring-coordinators mailing list >> mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators >> >> >> > From nobody Tue Jul 19 01:56:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE96612DD44 for ; 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This is = the last lunch together with the Mentoring group.

Hope you are having a = great IETF.
 
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------=_Part_1255915_891880429.1468918566891-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 07:42:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847A612D7CC; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:42:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id so6CZc_gFnQB; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from molamola.ripe.net (molamola.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1371]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B143128E18; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from titi.ripe.net ([193.0.23.11]) by molamola.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1bPshr-0008Vp-LA; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:42:40 +0200 Received: from sslvpn.ipv6.ripe.net ([2001:67c:2e8:9::c100:14e6] helo=dhcp-b345.meeting.ietf.org) by titi.ripe.net with esmtps (UNKNOWN:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1bPshr-0002M7-FR; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:42:39 +0200 To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "edu-team@ietf.org" , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA75242BFF@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> From: Mirjam Kuehne Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:42:39 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA75242BFF@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---------- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -10.7 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -7.5 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.3 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: 7e0932718cf60c1d07d29cd25dae927436ddd641fbb402a2f5e4fce21d70e654 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] logistics for breakfast meeting on Thu morning X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:42:48 -0000 Hi, The breakfast meeting will take place in room Tegel tomorrow from 8:00 - 9:00. If possible, please come a bit earlier to grab some food so we can start on time. We have lots to discuss. Regards, Mirjam On 20/7/16 16:10, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Hi, > > > > What is the room and the start time of the breakfast meeting tomorrow > Thu morning? > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > From nobody Wed Jul 20 12:32:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F62912DAD7; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:32:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Jt7AH4DZs7k; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265A012B00A; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A732CCB3; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:32:13 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xrqp-cYfcBIo; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:32:13 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0690A2CC45; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:32:12 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_103C688E-E67A-4057-8A43-8C968CDF9FEE"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:32:10 +0200 Message-Id: References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA75242BFF@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> To: Mirjam Kuehne X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , "edu-team@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] logistics for breakfast meeting on Thu morning X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:32:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_103C688E-E67A-4057-8A43-8C968CDF9FEE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I will be there. Thanks. 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Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:32:15 +0000; 1469115135.229 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:32:14 +0000 (UTC) From: To: "96newcomers@ietf.org" <96newcomers@ietf.org>, "96-mentors@ietf.org" <96-mentors@ietf.org> Message-ID: <547886120.2506092.1469115134699.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2506091_792867482.1469115134696" References: <547886120.2506092.1469115134699.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Archived-At: Cc: Benoit Claise , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , Mirjam Kuehne , Karen O'Donoghue Subject: [Mentoring-coordinators] Mentor / Mentee Feedback Session X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:35:17 -0000 ------=_Part_2506091_792867482.1469115134696 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mentors and Mentees, We will have a feedback session for anyone who is interested in talking to = the Mentoring team. =C2=A0 18:45-19:45 Kaminzimmer=C2=A0 This is an open mike. =C2=A0 If you have any comments on how to improve the= program or you want to talk about how it went for you, we would love to ha= ve you. Otherwise, have a great trip back home after IETF96 ends tomorrow and I hop= e to see you again!=C2=A0Thanks, Nalini ElkinsIETF Mentoring Team Inside Products, Inc. www.insidethestack.com (831) 659-8360 ------=_Part_2506091_792867482.1469115134696 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mentors and Mentees,

We will have a feedback session for anyone who is intereste= d in talking to the Mentoring team.  

18:45-19:45 Kaminzimmer 

This is an open mike.   If you have any comments o= n how to improve the program or you want to talk about how it went for you,= we would love to have you.

Otherwise, have a great tr= ip back home after IETF96 ends tomorrow and I hope to see you again!=
 
Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
IETF Mentoring Team

Inside Products= , Inc.
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(93.236.47.121) by kuehlewind.net with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 26 Jul 2016 14:47:37 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:47:36 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> To: Karen O'Donoghue X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: Ben Campbell , WG Chairs , "Andrew G. Malis" , IAB , IESG IESG , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:54:24 -0000 Hi all, to catch up this thread again. Did you see any improvements? I still had = problem to find people because the room was crowed, loud and too hot=E2=80= =A6 :-( However, I believe there were more newcomers there this time=E2=80= =A6 Mirja > Am 30.06.2016 um 22:54 schrieb Karen O'Donoghue : >=20 >=20 >> On Jun 30, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >>=20 >> Andy makes a really good point. A number of spaces have been tight = enough to feel claustrophobic with the group size at the time. Some of = those also got very loud when full of people. Neither are conducive to = the overall goal. >>=20 >> Ben. >=20 > As part of the team discussing ways to improve the Meet and Greet, I = can tell you that the crowding and noise is a factor that we have = identified and are considering ways to address. The secretariat has been = involved in this discussion as well. We=E2=80=99ll see how Berlin goes = and consider additional improvement to the overall experience going = forward.=20 >=20 > Karen >=20 > On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:27, Andrew G. Malis wrote: >>=20 >>> Benoit, >>>=20 >>> The changes look good. However, if we=E2=80=99re going to be = inviting more people, >>> we should make sure the the area is appropriately sized for the = number of >>> invitees. While this wasn=E2=80=99t a problem in Buenos Aires (it = was nice having >>> an outdoor venue), in some previous IETFs the space got extremely = tight, >>> and this may make it even worse. >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> Andy >>>=20 >>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members, >>>>=20 >>>> The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the = newcomers >>>> experience at the IETF. >>>> Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session, we = observed that the >>>> relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high = compared >>>> to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating = situations >>>> for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up with = WG >>>> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves. >>>>=20 >>>> Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the = number of >>>> newcomers. >>>> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer=E2=80=99= s Meet and >>>> Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend = the >>>> Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session. >>>> Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend = their >>>> first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings = (*) >>>>=20 >>>> Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members discussing = among >>>> themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session", = we understand >>>> that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each others = during the >>>> week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues and = solve >>>> the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, let's = not >>>> forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all be proactive = in >>>> welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags on = their >>>> badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate = persons. We >>>> count on you. >>>>=20 >>>> There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs = saying to >>>> their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomer=E2=80=99= s Meet and >>>> Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them. >>>>=20 >>>> Regards, Benoit >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> (*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system = itself, >>>> because the system was already open when this was decided. The = change will >>>> be reflected in the IETF 97 system language. However we are going = to >>>> manually =E2=80=94 and very soon =E2=80=94 pull this information = from the registration >>>> history and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended less = than >>>> five meetings. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >=20 From nobody Tue Jul 26 06:46:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099D612DC86; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 06:46:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3tto3l9xAek2; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 06:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7C2512DD96; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 06:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:647:4201:9e61:2da8:9e2c:a2ef:4264] ([IPv6:2601:647:4201:9e61:2da8:9e2c:a2ef:4264]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u6QDWnBr034823 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:32:50 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Joel Jaeggli X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G34) In-Reply-To: <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 06:32:49 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8D744E10-773F-42E7-A5AA-7E89342DA4FE@bogus.com> References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> To: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" Archived-At: Cc: Ben Campbell , Karen O'Donoghue , WG Chairs , IAB , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:46:15 -0000 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 26, 2016, at 05:47, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) w= rote: >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > to catch up this thread again. Did you see any improvements? I still had p= roblem to find people because the room was crowed, loud and too hot=E2=80=A6= :-( However, I believe there were more newcomers there this time=E2=80=A6 I opted not to attend and that freed up an hour on Sunday. Ops has has some v= ery friendly chairs who were present. > Mirja >=20 >=20 >=20 >> Am 30.06.2016 um 22:54 schrieb Karen O'Donoghue : >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Jun 30, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >>>=20 >>> Andy makes a really good point. A number of spaces have been tight enoug= h to feel claustrophobic with the group size at the time. Some of those also= got very loud when full of people. Neither are conducive to the overall goa= l. >>>=20 >>> Ben. >>=20 >> As part of the team discussing ways to improve the Meet and Greet, I can t= ell you that the crowding and noise is a factor that we have identified and a= re considering ways to address. The secretariat has been involved in this di= scussion as well. We=E2=80=99ll see how Berlin goes and consider additional i= mprovement to the overall experience going forward.=20 >>=20 >> Karen >>=20 >>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:27, Andrew G. Malis wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Benoit, >>>>=20 >>>> The changes look good. However, if we=E2=80=99re going to be inviting m= ore people, >>>> we should make sure the the area is appropriately sized for the number o= f >>>> invitees. While this wasn=E2=80=99t a problem in Buenos Aires (it was n= ice having >>>> an outdoor venue), in some previous IETFs the space got extremely tight= , >>>> and this may make it even worse. >>>>=20 >>>> Cheers, >>>> Andy >>>>=20 >>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise wro= te: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members, >>>>>=20 >>>>> The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the newcomers >>>>> experience at the IETF. >>>>> Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session, we observ= ed that the >>>>> relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high comp= ared >>>>> to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating situati= ons >>>>> for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up with WG= >>>>> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the number= of >>>>> newcomers. >>>>> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer=E2=80=99= s Meet and >>>>> Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend the >>>>> Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session. >>>>> Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend their >>>>> first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings (*= ) >>>>>=20 >>>>> Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members discussing am= ong >>>>> themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session", we u= nderstand >>>>> that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each others during= the >>>>> week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues and so= lve >>>>> the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, let's no= t >>>>> forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all be proactive in= >>>>> welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags on the= ir >>>>> badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate persons= . We >>>>> count on you. >>>>>=20 >>>>> There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs sayin= g to >>>>> their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomer=E2=80=99= s Meet and >>>>> Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Regards, Benoit >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> (*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system itsel= f, >>>>> because the system was already open when this was decided. The change w= ill >>>>> be reflected in the IETF 97 system language. 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Alia On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 26, 2016, at 05:47, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > to catch up this thread again. Did you see any improvements? I still ha= d > problem to find people because the room was crowed, loud and too hot=E2= =80=A6 :-( > However, I believe there were more newcomers there this time=E2=80=A6 > > I opted not to attend and that freed up an hour on Sunday. Ops has has > some very friendly chairs who were present. > > > Mirja > > > > > > > >> Am 30.06.2016 um 22:54 schrieb Karen O'Donoghue : > >> > >> > >>> On Jun 30, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > >>> > >>> Andy makes a really good point. A number of spaces have been tight > enough to feel claustrophobic with the group size at the time. Some of > those also got very loud when full of people. Neither are conducive to th= e > overall goal. > >>> > >>> Ben. > >> > >> As part of the team discussing ways to improve the Meet and Greet, I > can tell you that the crowding and noise is a factor that we have > identified and are considering ways to address. The secretariat has been > involved in this discussion as well. We=E2=80=99ll see how Berlin goes an= d consider > additional improvement to the overall experience going forward. > >> > >> Karen > >> > >>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:27, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > >>> > >>>> Benoit, > >>>> > >>>> The changes look good. However, if we=E2=80=99re going to be invitin= g more > people, > >>>> we should make sure the the area is appropriately sized for the > number of > >>>> invitees. While this wasn=E2=80=99t a problem in Buenos Aires (it wa= s nice > having > >>>> an outdoor venue), in some previous IETFs the space got extremely > tight, > >>>> and this may make it even worse. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Andy > >>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members, > >>>>> > >>>>> The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the newcome= rs > >>>>> experience at the IETF. > >>>>> Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session, we obs= erved > that the > >>>>> relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high > compared > >>>>> to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating > situations > >>>>> for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up with > WG > >>>>> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves. > >>>>> > >>>>> Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the > number of > >>>>> newcomers. > >>>>> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer=E2=80= =99s Meet > and > >>>>> Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend t= he > >>>>> Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session. > >>>>> Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend the= ir > >>>>> first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings > (*) > >>>>> > >>>>> Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members discussing > among > >>>>> themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session", w= e > understand > >>>>> that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each others > during the > >>>>> week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues and > solve > >>>>> the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, let's > not > >>>>> forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all be proactive > in > >>>>> welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags on > their > >>>>> badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate > persons. We > >>>>> count on you. > >>>>> > >>>>> There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs > saying to > >>>>> their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomer=E2=80= =99s Meet > and > >>>>> Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, Benoit > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> (*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system > itself, > >>>>> because the system was already open when this was decided. The > change will > >>>>> be reflected in the IETF 97 system language. However we are going = to > >>>>> manually =E2=80=94 and very soon =E2=80=94 pull this information fr= om the > registration > >>>>> history and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended less > than > >>>>> five meetings. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> edu-team mailing list > >>> edu-team@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > > > > > > --001a11356d62625acd05388a2df1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There were some newcomers - but it was still quite loud an= d crowded.

Alia
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Joel Jaeggli = <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
<= br>
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2016, at 05:47, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) <ietf@kuehlewind.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> to catch up this thread again. Did you see any improvements? I still h= ad problem to find people because the room was crowed, loud and too hot=E2= =80=A6 :-( However, I believe there were more newcomers there this time=E2= =80=A6

I opted not to attend and that freed up an hour on Sunday. Ops has h= as some very friendly chairs who were present.

> Mirja
>
>
>
>> Am 30.06.2016 um 22:54 schrieb Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org>:
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 30, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Andy makes a really good point. A number of spaces have been t= ight enough to feel claustrophobic with the group size at the time. Some of= those also got very loud when full of people. Neither are conducive to the= overall goal.
>>>
>>> Ben.
>>
>> As part of the team discussing ways to improve the Meet and Greet,= I can tell you that the crowding and noise is a factor that we have identi= fied and are considering ways to address. The secretariat has been involved= in this discussion as well. We=E2=80=99ll see how Berlin goes and consider= additional improvement to the overall experience going forward.
>>
>> Karen
>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:27, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Benoit,
>>>>
>>>> The changes look good. However, if we=E2=80=99re going to = be inviting more people,
>>>> we should make sure the the area is appropriately sized fo= r the number of
>>>> invitees. While this wasn=E2=80=99t a problem in Buenos Ai= res (it was nice having
>>>> an outdoor venue), in some previous IETFs the space got ex= tremely tight,
>>>> and this may make it even worse.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members,
>>>>>
>>>>> The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improv= e the newcomers
>>>>> experience at the IETF.
>>>>> Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet se= ssion, we observed that the
>>>>> relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is = pretty high compared
>>>>> to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some inti= midating situations
>>>>> for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickl= y end up with WG
>>>>> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves.=
>>>>>
>>>>> Two concrete actions should improve the situation rega= rding the number of
>>>>> newcomers.
>>>>> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the N= ewcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and
>>>>> Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers sh= ould attend the
>>>>> Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session.
>>>>> Second, newcomers would not only include the persons w= ho attend their
>>>>> first meeting, but the persons who attended less than = five meetings (*)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB = members discussing among
>>>>> themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Gree= t session", we understand
>>>>> that, for most of us, this is the first time we see ea= ch others during the
>>>>> week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and c= olleagues and solve
>>>>> the last (technical) issues before the week madness. H= owever, let's not
>>>>> forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's= all be proactive in
>>>>> welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with= red tags on their
>>>>> badges, or simply putting them in contact with the app= ropriate persons. We
>>>>> count on you.
>>>>>
>>>>> There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in= WG chairs saying to
>>>>> their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the N= ewcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and
>>>>> Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themsel= ves to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Benoit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (*) We were unable to make the change to the registrat= ion system itself,
>>>>> because the system was already open when this was deci= ded. The change will
>>>>> be reflected in the IETF 97 system language.=C2=A0 How= ever we are going to
>>>>> manually =E2=80=94 and very soon =E2=80=94 pull this i= nformation from the registration
>>>>> history and direct all invitations to anyone who has a= ttended less than
>>>>> five meetings.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> edu-team mailing list
>>> edu-team@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu= -team
>
>


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It was hard to move around, but I had a couple more of good exchang= es than usual. Juan Carlos > On Jul 26, 2016, at 05:47, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) w= rote: >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > to catch up this thread again. Did you see any improvements? I still had p= roblem to find people because the room was crowed, loud and too hot=85 :-( H= owever, I believe there were more newcomers there this time=85 >=20 > Mirja >=20 >=20 >=20 >> Am 30.06.2016 um 22:54 schrieb Karen O'Donoghue : >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Jun 30, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >>>=20 >>> Andy makes a really good point. A number of spaces have been tight enoug= h to feel claustrophobic with the group size at the time. Some of those also= got very loud when full of people. Neither are conducive to the overall goa= l. >>>=20 >>> Ben. >>=20 >> As part of the team discussing ways to improve the Meet and Greet, I can t= ell you that the crowding and noise is a factor that we have identified and a= re considering ways to address. The secretariat has been involved in this di= scussion as well. We=92ll see how Berlin goes and consider additional improv= ement to the overall experience going forward.=20 >>=20 >> Karen >>=20 >>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:27, Andrew G. Malis wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Benoit, >>>>=20 >>>> The changes look good. However, if we=92re going to be inviting more pe= ople, >>>> we should make sure the the area is appropriately sized for the number o= f >>>> invitees. While this wasn=92t a problem in Buenos Aires (it was nice ha= ving >>>> an outdoor venue), in some previous IETFs the space got extremely tight= , >>>> and this may make it even worse. >>>>=20 >>>> Cheers, >>>> Andy >>>>=20 >>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise wro= te: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members, >>>>>=20 >>>>> The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the newcomers >>>>> experience at the IETF. >>>>> Reflecting on the Newcomer=92s Meet and Greet session, we observed tha= t the >>>>> relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high comp= ared >>>>> to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating situati= ons >>>>> for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up with WG= >>>>> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the number= of >>>>> newcomers. >>>>> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer=92s Meet= and >>>>> Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend the >>>>> Newcomer=92s Meet and Greet session. >>>>> Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend their >>>>> first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings (*= ) >>>>>=20 >>>>> Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members discussing am= ong >>>>> themselves during the Newcomer=92s Meet and Greet session", we underst= and >>>>> that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each others during= the >>>>> week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues and so= lve >>>>> the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, let's no= t >>>>> forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all be proactive in= >>>>> welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags on the= ir >>>>> badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate persons= . We >>>>> count on you. >>>>>=20 >>>>> There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs sayin= g to >>>>> their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomer=92s Meet= and >>>>> Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Regards, Benoit >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> (*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system itsel= f, >>>>> because the system was already open when this was decided. The change w= ill >>>>> be reflected in the IETF 97 system language. However we are going to >>>>> manually =97 and very soon =97 pull this information from the registra= tion >>>>> history and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended less tha= n >>>>> five meetings. >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> edu-team mailing list >>> edu-team@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >=20 From nobody Tue Jul 26 07:10:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4495812DC6A; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:10:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VZ9l7xcAfz5h; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BA312DC6B; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 06:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dresden.attlocal.net (99-59-193-67.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net [99.59.193.67]) by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A18A1E31F; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3AB25248-B7F3-42DF-8C7B-21E60B7A9C7B" From: Jeffrey Haas In-Reply-To: <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:55:12 -0400 Message-Id: References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> To: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Cc: Ben Campbell , Karen O'Donoghue , WG Chairs , IAB , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:10:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3AB25248-B7F3-42DF-8C7B-21E60B7A9C7B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jul 26, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) = wrote: >=20 > to catch up this thread again. Did you see any improvements? I still = had problem to find people because the room was crowed, loud and too = hot=E2=80=A6 :-( However, I believe there were more newcomers there this = time=E2=80=A6 Too loud. Crowding was weirdly artificial since we had some extra space = that we weren't effectively using. I'm also considering instituting a 5 minute cap on my chats with people. = The last two M&Gs I had individuals that simply would not move along = and kept me from being available for other newcomers. -- Jeff --Apple-Mail=_3AB25248-B7F3-42DF-8C7B-21E60B7A9C7B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jul 26, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) <ietf@kuehlewind.net>= wrote:

to catch up this thread again. Did you see any = improvements? I still had problem to find people because the room was = crowed, loud and too hot=E2=80=A6 :-( However, I believe there were more = newcomers there this time=E2=80=A6

Too loud.  Crowding was weirdly = artificial since we had some extra space that we weren't effectively = using.

I'm = also considering instituting a 5 minute cap on my chats with people. =  The last two M&Gs I had individuals that simply would not move = along and kept me from being available for other newcomers.

-- Jeff

= --Apple-Mail=_3AB25248-B7F3-42DF-8C7B-21E60B7A9C7B-- From nobody Tue Jul 26 07:20:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A5A12DF5B; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:20:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CCu5PmtiRoFr; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 459F112DDDB; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:00:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4789; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469541655; x=1470751255; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4MnMO4TTO/5AKG/AvN/Rw7B9Jup6BnIkNB5VdbbBNPE=; b=bpPfrl7wIvcJA0mSrEJ3hYsnUVtuyx5ek8vnGhSRQyy79dxcb1d/pHwO IRa1dCm3e00Rn/9sq5eKnxBrX6p2hmIzwsbd5/VpNCIft7w0zb9d+m8y3 WNkF2vlzysu0kN3QNl1lt0kUa4DsXd9iX9CD9BS1cmqaFPvZF2v2nHBcX I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ACCQDHa5dX/xbLJq1ehBUqUrp2JIV5A?= =?us-ascii?q?oFzEAEBAQEBAQFdJ4RdAQUBASEPAQU2CxALGAICJgICJzAGAQwGAgEBiC0OqlW?= =?us-ascii?q?NWwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGAWBAYUpgXgIgk2EEhEBgx2CWgEEmTGOe?= =?us-ascii?q?4lUhWuMLYN4NR+CEByBTjoyhxSBNQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,425,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="679100420" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 26 Jul 2016 14:00:53 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.87] (ams-bclaise-8916.cisco.com [10.60.67.87]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6QE0qPu006052; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:00:52 GMT To: Joel Jaeggli , "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <8D744E10-773F-42E7-A5AA-7E89342DA4FE@bogus.com> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:00:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8D744E10-773F-42E7-A5AA-7E89342DA4FE@bogus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: Ben Campbell , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IAB , EDU Team , WG Chairs Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:20:40 -0000 On 7/26/2016 3:32 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 26, 2016, at 05:47, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> to catch up this thread again. Did you see any improvements? I still had problem to find people because the room was crowed, loud and too hot… :-( However, I believe there were more newcomers there this time… > I opted not to attend and that freed up an hour on Sunday. Ops has has some very friendly chairs who were present. I was there. More newcomers and more newcomer interactions. So I believe it was way better than before in that regard. Regards, B. > >> Mirja >> >> >> >>> Am 30.06.2016 um 22:54 schrieb Karen O'Donoghue : >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 30, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >>>> >>>> Andy makes a really good point. A number of spaces have been tight enough to feel claustrophobic with the group size at the time. Some of those also got very loud when full of people. Neither are conducive to the overall goal. >>>> >>>> Ben. >>> As part of the team discussing ways to improve the Meet and Greet, I can tell you that the crowding and noise is a factor that we have identified and are considering ways to address. The secretariat has been involved in this discussion as well. We’ll see how Berlin goes and consider additional improvement to the overall experience going forward. >>> >>> Karen >>> >>>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:27, Andrew G. Malis wrote: >>>> >>>>> Benoit, >>>>> >>>>> The changes look good. However, if we’re going to be inviting more people, >>>>> we should make sure the the area is appropriately sized for the number of >>>>> invitees. While this wasn’t a problem in Buenos Aires (it was nice having >>>>> an outdoor venue), in some previous IETFs the space got extremely tight, >>>>> and this may make it even worse. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Andy >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members, >>>>>> >>>>>> The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the newcomers >>>>>> experience at the IETF. >>>>>> Reflecting on the Newcomer’s Meet and Greet session, we observed that the >>>>>> relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high compared >>>>>> to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating situations >>>>>> for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up with WG >>>>>> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves. >>>>>> >>>>>> Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the number of >>>>>> newcomers. >>>>>> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer’s Meet and >>>>>> Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend the >>>>>> Newcomer’s Meet and Greet session. >>>>>> Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend their >>>>>> first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings (*) >>>>>> >>>>>> Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members discussing among >>>>>> themselves during the Newcomer’s Meet and Greet session", we understand >>>>>> that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each others during the >>>>>> week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues and solve >>>>>> the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, let's not >>>>>> forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all be proactive in >>>>>> welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags on their >>>>>> badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate persons. We >>>>>> count on you. >>>>>> >>>>>> There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs saying to >>>>>> their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomer’s Meet and >>>>>> Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, Benoit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system itself, >>>>>> because the system was already open when this was decided. The change will >>>>>> be reflected in the IETF 97 system language. However we are going to >>>>>> manually — and very soon — pull this information from the registration >>>>>> history and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended less than >>>>>> five meetings. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> edu-team mailing list >>>> edu-team@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team From nobody Tue Jul 26 07:44:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135EF12DF15; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:44:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xIh8yows9En1; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B69B12DF18; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id f6so12822177ith.0; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:14:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vkq5XjeivGdeK80reLOq4GYqF97/8Mlce9grW5r7TmY=; b=bgvQZ4ChkX5ozMnu4mqT9ilgLV007WqOkgBwiu5MTHG5XTx4er5mKYvUTmvwXNW8Pu EHJ86QUR7OQfDUsKIX2WuHhsLx5Bl41PfFiLfnXDwAB3VBUK9h5jKSBrbPWtaH0m9DR6 L2+I75ry5h3e0EyTbGg1jd1lIOndCiizoOT84IziNBS9imKgDl26F6RIQhyS6KiRBzT1 019Gb4dYJIJprxJaJRZHEtng6ShjSxyJp4Ays+zXHi/OdUJaQRHwjsDRa0PB7T+cFY1q YYjAOrWF9YjTpLnuTxbw/+MCmPJYcjsOCsLuxNvzCc1PGwQ6qQ53p2ADd+HrFuGXdOFR SygA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vkq5XjeivGdeK80reLOq4GYqF97/8Mlce9grW5r7TmY=; b=H9aoHQTKxbpm9HgZX+o9einIKI/QdwkhyZMjG0Y3L0q5W2oWCn3F0EGMIZibIFnJl0 VSntLbLNMzKvy5zHu537gRfijLoXDrCzu9SMAIDqoxrfPFl5feoL6ZdHXqDWEawrD9e1 t4EqmK3Cr9QtZ5rhQRFPutQvJ19ZIQgrXYiFncIscaLz12KvoNgm6UY4watTjtUl4mi/ HDAIIVs4vi1oHB56G3eTUGjMvAq1bzqbNwpED2HO43LVwfs4i8zl42f8gG4ugLlnX3gv STKN3tiibeXfzNzTqRKdenEEjwmyCPpgiIzUGOO+yXcEtHR0aHLeZziysNA5wbKmouAj RcOg== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouv1K+Lscp9mINC5Oazm3VYXQUjsdFagILZAYE6ukfjhUTiI2UNwYZDO3AsVmIozeCM5p6M2MJPMR9VcUQ== X-Received: by 10.202.64.138 with SMTP id n132mr12850230oia.2.1469542452214; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:14:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.47.38 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:14:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> From: Mary Barnes Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:14:11 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ddd7ad8c1aa05388a836c Archived-At: Cc: Ben Campbell , Karen O'Donoghue , WG Chairs , IAB , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:44:32 -0000 --001a113ddd7ad8c1aa05388a836c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did not notice an overall improvement. It was waaay too loud for me in the space allocated for my area. I did have a few good discussions with several newcomers. Mary. On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) < ietf@kuehlewind.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > to catch up this thread again. Did you see any improvements? I still had > problem to find people because the room was crowed, loud and too hot=E2= =80=A6 :-( > However, I believe there were more newcomers there this time=E2=80=A6 > > Mirja > > > > > Am 30.06.2016 um 22:54 schrieb Karen O'Donoghue : > > > > > >> On Jun 30, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > >> > >> Andy makes a really good point. A number of spaces have been tight > enough to feel claustrophobic with the group size at the time. Some of > those also got very loud when full of people. Neither are conducive to th= e > overall goal. > >> > >> Ben. > > > > As part of the team discussing ways to improve the Meet and Greet, I ca= n > tell you that the crowding and noise is a factor that we have identified > and are considering ways to address. The secretariat has been involved in > this discussion as well. We=E2=80=99ll see how Berlin goes and consider a= dditional > improvement to the overall experience going forward. > > > > Karen > > > > On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:27, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > >> > >>> Benoit, > >>> > >>> The changes look good. However, if we=E2=80=99re going to be inviting= more > people, > >>> we should make sure the the area is appropriately sized for the numbe= r > of > >>> invitees. While this wasn=E2=80=99t a problem in Buenos Aires (it was= nice > having > >>> an outdoor venue), in some previous IETFs the space got extremely > tight, > >>> and this may make it even worse. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Andy > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members, > >>>> > >>>> The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the newcomer= s > >>>> experience at the IETF. > >>>> Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session, we obse= rved that > the > >>>> relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high > compared > >>>> to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating > situations > >>>> for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up with = WG > >>>> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves. > >>>> > >>>> Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the > number of > >>>> newcomers. > >>>> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer=E2=80= =99s Meet > and > >>>> Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend th= e > >>>> Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session. > >>>> Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend thei= r > >>>> first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings > (*) > >>>> > >>>> Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members discussing > among > >>>> themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session", we > understand > >>>> that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each others > during the > >>>> week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues and > solve > >>>> the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, let's > not > >>>> forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all be proactive = in > >>>> welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags on > their > >>>> badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate > persons. We > >>>> count on you. > >>>> > >>>> There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs > saying to > >>>> their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomer=E2=80= =99s Meet > and > >>>> Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, Benoit > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> (*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system > itself, > >>>> because the system was already open when this was decided. The chang= e > will > >>>> be reflected in the IETF 97 system language. However we are going t= o > >>>> manually =E2=80=94 and very soon =E2=80=94 pull this information fro= m the registration > >>>> history and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended less > than > >>>> five meetings. > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> edu-team mailing list > >> edu-team@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > > > > --001a113ddd7ad8c1aa05388a836c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I did not notice an overall improvement.=C2=A0 It was waaa= y too loud for me in the space allocated for my area.=C2=A0 I did have a fe= w good discussions with several newcomers.=C2=A0

Mary.= =C2=A0

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) <ietf@kuehlewi= nd.net> wrote:
Hi all,

to catch up this thread again. Did you see any improvements? I still had pr= oblem to find people because the room was crowed, loud and too hot=E2=80=A6= :-( However, I believe there were more newcomers there this time=E2=80=A6<= br>
Mirja



> Am 30.06.2016 um 22:54 schrieb Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org>:
>
>
>> On Jun 30, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:
>>
>> Andy makes a really good point. A number of spaces have been tight= enough to feel claustrophobic with the group size at the time. Some of tho= se also got very loud when full of people. Neither are conducive to the ove= rall goal.
>>
>> Ben.
>
> As part of the team discussing ways to improve the Meet and Greet, I c= an tell you that the crowding and noise is a factor that we have identified= and are considering ways to address. The secretariat has been involved in = this discussion as well. We=E2=80=99ll see how Berlin goes and consider add= itional improvement to the overall experience going forward.
>
> Karen
>
> On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:27, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
>>
>>> Benoit,
>>>
>>> The changes look good. However, if we=E2=80=99re going to be i= nviting more people,
>>> we should make sure the the area is appropriately sized for th= e number of
>>> invitees. While this wasn=E2=80=99t a problem in Buenos Aires = (it was nice having
>>> an outdoor venue), in some previous IETFs the space got extrem= ely tight,
>>> and this may make it even worse.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members,
>>>>
>>>> The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve th= e newcomers
>>>> experience at the IETF.
>>>> Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet sessio= n, we observed that the
>>>> relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pret= ty high compared
>>>> to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimida= ting situations
>>>> for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly en= d up with WG
>>>> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Two concrete actions should improve the situation regardin= g the number of
>>>> newcomers.
>>>> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newco= mer=E2=80=99s Meet and
>>>> Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should= attend the
>>>> Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session.
>>>> Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who a= ttend their
>>>> first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five= meetings (*)
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB memb= ers discussing among
>>>> themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet se= ssion", we understand
>>>> that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each o= thers during the
>>>> week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colle= agues and solve
>>>> the last (technical) issues before the week madness. Howev= er, let's not
>>>> forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all= be proactive in
>>>> welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red= tags on their
>>>> badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropr= iate persons. We
>>>> count on you.
>>>>
>>>> There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG = chairs saying to
>>>> their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newco= mer=E2=80=99s Meet and
>>>> Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves = to them.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Benoit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (*) We were unable to make the change to the registration = system itself,
>>>> because the system was already open when this was decided.= The change will
>>>> be reflected in the IETF 97 system language.=C2=A0 However= we are going to
>>>> manually =E2=80=94 and very soon =E2=80=94 pull this infor= mation from the registration
>>>> history and direct all invitations to anyone who has atten= ded less than
>>>> five meetings.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> edu-team mailing list
>> edu-team@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-tea= m
>


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Did you see any improvements? I still = had problem to find people because the room was crowed, loud and too = hot=85 :-( However, I believe there were more newcomers there this time=85= >=20 > I opted not to attend and that freed up an hour on Sunday. Ops has has = some very friendly chairs who were present. I was there. The best thing I managed to do was brief a new contributor = to my WG on what to expect and to introduce him to some other friendly = people, including other relative newcomers who have drafts in the WG. = Partly because I and others took the time, it ended up being a very = productive couple of days for him: We'd given him agenda time because = he'd done the work on his proposal and submitted the draft but he'd been = having trouble getting reviewers. But the general reaction when he = talked to the WG was positive, and he's now gotten some attention from = people interested in both the draft and the technology.=20 He's also impressed enough with "the IETF" that I think he'll stay = engaged with the WG as a reviewer and implementer of others' work, which = is a big win too. On the M&G specifically, I don't know how to get the hit rate up for = that kind of interaction, but it definitely worked this time, I think = partly because it was not limited to newcomers and "the leadership"-- = other people could help him besides me. +1 on loud though. Glass box. 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id u6QExiIe022693; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:59:44 GMT To: Paul Wouters , WG Chairs References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:59:42 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team , IAB Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:34:00 -0000 > yes, very hard to move around and way too hot. Sure. Let's focus on the main point: have we actually improved the newcomers experience with the couple of changes we introduced (no conflict with the tutorial, newcomers for less than 5 IETF meetings, focusing on talking to newcomers and not between ourselves)? Regards, B. 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boundary=001a113aad42c8616205388ba4a3 Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , Paul Wouters , EDU Team , IAB Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:54:53 -0000 --001a113aad42c8616205388ba4a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > > yes, very hard to move around and way too hot. >> > Sure. > Let's focus on the main point: have we actually improved the newcomer=E2= =80=99s > experience with the couple of changes we introduced (no conflict with the > tutorial, newcomers for less than 5 IETF meetings, focusing on talking to > newcomers and not between ourselves)? > I think so. There were more newcomers there and I saw less clumping of WG chairs. > Regards, B. > > --001a113aad42c8616205388ba4a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Benoit Claise <<= a href=3D"mailto:bclaise@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">bclaise@cisco.com= > wrote:

yes, very hard to move around and way too hot.
 Sure.
Let's focus on the main point: have we actually improved the newcomer= =E2=80=99s experience with the couple of changes we introduced (no conflict= with the tutorial, newcomers for less than 5 IETF meetings, focusing on ta= lking to newcomers and not between ourselves)?

I think so.=C2=A0 There were more newcomers there and I saw less cl= umping of WG chairs.=C2=A0

=C2=A0
Regards, B.


--001a113aad42c8616205388ba4a3-- From nobody Tue Jul 26 08:55:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F7C12DAF4 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:54:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=broadcom.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tsvM5YER7V7U for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x231.google.com (mail-io0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 203E612DB2C for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x231.google.com with SMTP id m101so26244571ioi.2 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:35:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IYeRf9jwBN9wW0E5pBfu1H3yHbEh5zx/ZAKQ8qhPoOw=; b=THLtd0I4kO0aJqruF5OyGE/xKNzmwMWeSNDyUjJvmgQhvbY6yiZlVDXHTe0mcISiVt 1nyo7CLwuHM8wNlViIwmQaaOcgYyRVSUQPWIfZKW4t/Hn7uheKFgvMDkaSv3OYLu/gDn eZjNkdrB1+knIOeZx2Ktk+iK1k633gOhQ/G9Q= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IYeRf9jwBN9wW0E5pBfu1H3yHbEh5zx/ZAKQ8qhPoOw=; b=PxKvDzXfk2sOHMgV3qLkTjJPCl35ZxRcUIiL5nnTnBNf/AeoHXgeuTyDiQ3ldgk2EW oTG4PD/FgOO1yhDpQmhq7L1PbDBAob4k8TMiAnTgy6tZPP6njIoOBvNJ4Tf5ShjdZmgE l14GGwFAQ/cIiyC8/p/vsRkKnTtPpR4d6fr6nERdNDQADBoD/X2+QlKEl3LrJYr1xN5D hraq42/A4LjC2McOJflNJcbwYkqgbT3S5ndB7padfrdZpGQBsxp37k8+jWltAtRgnIVr kkJ9LQHFkbifXYzcyhFMBtPfQW9SUZ/X/rzBYTfqY73VP9ww5/M7gfJeiWWGQc8qNDed hP7w== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkooutf12XhIj21bb9jOS6bonPzcIJQXEZdd5KyLzosDbMH8p+S1jiv2A7v9u6VoQdgCs9MGKqPQSEr7FuVqN7H X-Received: by 10.107.50.19 with SMTP id y19mr25712196ioy.174.1469547310859; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:35:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.26.145 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:35:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <8D744E10-773F-42E7-A5AA-7E89342DA4FE@bogus.com> From: Pat Thaler Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:35:10 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114469c47317eb05388ba5c1 Archived-At: Cc: Ben Campbell , WG Chairs , IAB , "Mirja Kuehlewind \(IETF\)" , "Benoit Claise \(bclaise\)" , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:54:55 -0000 --001a114469c47317eb05388ba5c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In addition to a larger room, it would help to have some sort of room map posted where people enter and on the Area tables. It was difficult to see the signs indicating area on the tables. Some people asked "where is ____ area?" and I didn't have an answer. On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Despite it being loud, we had a number of newcomers stop by the Routing > Area table and we were still there after most chairs and newcomers had > moved to the Welcome reception. From my perspective, it was successful. > Acee > > > On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Benoit Claise (bclaise) > wrote: > > > > On 7/26/2016 3:32 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 05:47, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) < > ietf@kuehlewind.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> to catch up this thread again. Did you see any improvements? I still > had problem to find people because the room was crowed, loud and too hot= =E2=80=A6 > :-( However, I believe there were more newcomers there this time=E2=80=A6 > >> I opted not to attend and that freed up an hour on Sunday. Ops has has > some very friendly chairs who were present. > > I was there. More newcomers and more newcomer interactions. > > So I believe it was way better than before in that regard. > > > > Regards, B. > >> > >>> Mirja > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Am 30.06.2016 um 22:54 schrieb Karen O'Donoghue = : > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Jun 30, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Andy makes a really good point. A number of spaces have been tight > enough to feel claustrophobic with the group size at the time. Some of > those also got very loud when full of people. Neither are conducive to th= e > overall goal. > >>>>> > >>>>> Ben. > >>>> As part of the team discussing ways to improve the Meet and Greet, I > can tell you that the crowding and noise is a factor that we have > identified and are considering ways to address. The secretariat has been > involved in this discussion as well. We=E2=80=99ll see how Berlin goes an= d consider > additional improvement to the overall experience going forward. > >>>> > >>>> Karen > >>>> > >>>>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:27, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Benoit, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The changes look good. However, if we=E2=80=99re going to be invit= ing more > people, > >>>>>> we should make sure the the area is appropriately sized for the > number of > >>>>>> invitees. While this wasn=E2=80=99t a problem in Buenos Aires (it = was nice > having > >>>>>> an outdoor venue), in some previous IETFs the space got extremely > tight, > >>>>>> and this may make it even worse. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> Andy > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the > newcomers > >>>>>>> experience at the IETF. > >>>>>>> Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session, we o= bserved > that the > >>>>>>> relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high > compared > >>>>>>> to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating > situations > >>>>>>> for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up > with WG > >>>>>>> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the > number of > >>>>>>> newcomers. > >>>>>>> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer=E2= =80=99s > Meet and > >>>>>>> Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend > the > >>>>>>> Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session. > >>>>>>> Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend > their > >>>>>>> first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five > meetings (*) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members > discussing among > >>>>>>> themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session",= we > understand > >>>>>>> that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each others > during the > >>>>>>> week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues > and solve > >>>>>>> the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, > let's not > >>>>>>> forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all be > proactive in > >>>>>>> welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags o= n > their > >>>>>>> badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate > persons. We > >>>>>>> count on you. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs > saying to > >>>>>>> their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomer=E2= =80=99s > Meet and > >>>>>>> Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them= . > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regards, Benoit > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system > itself, > >>>>>>> because the system was already open when this was decided. The > change will > >>>>>>> be reflected in the IETF 97 system language. However we are goin= g > to > >>>>>>> manually =E2=80=94 and very soon =E2=80=94 pull this information = from the > registration > >>>>>>> history and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended les= s > than > >>>>>>> five meetings. > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> edu-team mailing list > >>>>> edu-team@ietf.org > >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> edu-team mailing list > >> edu-team@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > > > > --001a114469c47317eb05388ba5c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In addition to a larger room, it would help to have some s= ort of room map posted where people enter and on the Area tables. It was di= fficult to see the signs indicating area on the tables. Some people asked &= quot;where is ____ area?" and I didn't have an answer.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at= 7:39 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:
Despite it being loud, we had a number of newcomers= stop by the Routing Area table and we were still there after most chairs a= nd newcomers had moved to the Welcome reception. From my perspective, it wa= s successful.
Acee

> On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Benoit Claise (bclaise) <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/26/2016 3:32 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 05:47, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) <ietf@kuehlewind.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> to catch up this thread again. Did you see any improvements? I= still had problem to find people because the room was crowed, loud and too= hot=E2=80=A6 :-( However, I believe there were more newcomers there this t= ime=E2=80=A6
>> I opted not to attend and that freed up an hour on Sunday. Ops has= has some very friendly chairs who were present.
> I was there. More newcomers and more newcomer interactions.
> So I believe it was way better than before in that regard.
>
> Regards, B.
>>
>>> Mirja
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 30.06.2016 um 22:54 schrieb Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 30, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy makes a really good point. A number of spaces hav= e been tight enough to feel claustrophobic with the group size at the time.= Some of those also got very loud when full of people. Neither are conduciv= e to the overall goal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben.
>>>> As part of the team discussing ways to improve the Meet an= d Greet, I can tell you that the crowding and noise is a factor that we hav= e identified and are considering ways to address. The secretariat has been = involved in this discussion as well. We=E2=80=99ll see how Berlin goes and = consider additional improvement to the overall experience going forward. >>>>
>>>> Karen
>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:27, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Benoit,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The changes look good. However, if we=E2=80=99re g= oing to be inviting more people,
>>>>>> we should make sure the the area is appropriately = sized for the number of
>>>>>> invitees. While this wasn=E2=80=99t a problem in B= uenos Aires (it was nice having
>>>>>> an outdoor venue), in some previous IETFs the spac= e got extremely tight,
>>>>>> and this may make it even worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise= <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:<= br> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying t= o improve the newcomers
>>>>>>> experience at the IETF.
>>>>>>> Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and = Greet session, we observed that the
>>>>>>> relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB mem= bers is pretty high compared
>>>>>>> to the number of newcomers. This resulted in s= ome intimidating situations
>>>>>>> for newcomers. On top of that, this session ca= n quickly end up with WG
>>>>>>> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among the= mselves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two concrete actions should improve the situat= ion regarding the number of
>>>>>>> newcomers.
>>>>>>> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot a= nd the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and
>>>>>>> Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newc= omers should attend the
>>>>>>> Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session.
>>>>>>> Second, newcomers would not only include the p= ersons who attend their
>>>>>>> first meeting, but the persons who attended le= ss than five meetings (*)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, = and IAB members discussing among
>>>>>>> themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet = and Greet session", we understand
>>>>>>> that, for most of us, this is the first time w= e see each others during the
>>>>>>> week. So naturally, we tend to greet our frien= ds and colleagues and solve
>>>>>>> the last (technical) issues before the week ma= dness. However, let's not
>>>>>>> forget the goal of this specific meeting! So l= et's all be proactive in
>>>>>>> welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging peo= ple with red tags on their
>>>>>>> badges, or simply putting them in contact with= the appropriate persons. We
>>>>>>> count on you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There might also be value, specifically for ne= w WG, in WG chairs saying to
>>>>>>> their lists, in email, that they intend to be = at the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and
>>>>>>> Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce= themselves to them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards, Benoit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (*) We were unable to make the change to the r= egistration system itself,
>>>>>>> because the system was already open when this = was decided. The change will
>>>>>>> be reflected in the IETF 97 system language.= =C2=A0 However we are going to
>>>>>>> manually =E2=80=94 and very soon =E2=80=94 pul= l this information from the registration
>>>>>>> history and direct all invitations to anyone w= ho has attended less than
>>>>>>> five meetings.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> edu-team mailing list
>>>>> edu-team@ietf.org=
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/list= info/edu-team
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> edu-team mailing list
>> edu-team@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-tea= m
>


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It was extremely hard to move around, and very hard to hear people. IMO, managing space and sound volume needs to be a first tier criteria in setting these up. Ben. 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Malis" , Internet Architecture Board , Mirja Kuehlewind , The IESG , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5BIAB=5D_=5Bedu-team=5D_Impro?= =?utf-8?q?ving_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s__Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:01:36 -0000 On 26 Jul 2016, at 10:02, Howard, Lee L wrote: [...] > Specifically, loud and crowded makes it exhausting to meet and greet > well. Parsing an accent, or having a conversation in a language other > than my native language, are hard enough; I personally have a very > hard time trying to filter ambient noise. Adding that effort to the > work of meeting strangers, and engaging in random deep technical > conversation, is very draining. I have a very hard time maintaining it > for an hour. [...] +100 Ben. 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I wonder if this is a question to ask newcomers rather than ourselves. =C2= =A0(Of course, they may not have a previous data point if this is their ver= y first meeting.) Nalini=C2=A0 ------=_Part_4726323_833685748.1469548014745 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



>> yes, very hard to move aro= und and way too hot.

>Sure.
>Let's focus on the main point: have we actually improved the newcom= er=E2=80=99s
>experience with the couple of changes w= e introduced (no conflict with
>the tutorial, newcome= rs for less than 5 IETF meetings, focusing on
>talkin= g to newcomers and not between ourselves)?

I wonder if= this is a question to ask newcomers rather than ourselves.  (Of cours= e, they may not have a previous data point if this is their very first meet= ing.)

Nalini 


------=_Part_4726323_833685748.1469548014745-- From nobody Tue Jul 26 09:02:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A95E12D891; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:02:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BRDwi_cJ2Ucs; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14F5D12DEB5; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hebrews (192.168.1.152) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.1.201) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:53:08 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Benoit Claise' , 'WG Chairs' References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:46:51 -0700 Message-ID: <050001d1e754$efbaa230$cf2fe690$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQG1HPZVVSqXX+Zbv34HDWxplGsHNwKJg4J4Ab8jaGECtNj4wQKi+bv1AYctK9wC2nVfdAJkqjjTn+E5f4A= Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.152] Archived-At: Cc: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, 'EDU Team' , 'IAB' Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] Improving the Newcomer's Meet and Greet experience X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:02:35 -0000 >From talking to some attendees, it is not clear to me that the less than 5 IETF meetings was indicated to some of the people who would have been eligible. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: WGChairs [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Benoit Claise > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:00 AM > To: Paul Wouters ; WG Chairs > Cc: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org; EDU Team ; IAB > > Subject: Re: [edu-team] Improving the Newcomer's Meet and Greet experience > > > > yes, very hard to move around and way too hot. > Sure. > Let's focus on the main point: have we actually improved the newcomer's > experience with the couple of changes we introduced (no conflict with the > tutorial, newcomers for less than 5 IETF meetings, focusing on talking to > newcomers and not between ourselves)? > > Regards, B. From nobody Tue Jul 26 09:04:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD3D12DCDC; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:04:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QxqJykYlXrtU; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A52512D8A9; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.14] (cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u6QFnfdK038643 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:49:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22] claimed to be [10.0.1.14] From: "Ben Campbell" To: "Benoit Claise" Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:49:41 -0500 Message-ID: <88C2EE26-44E5-4E6B-B46F-A74A87C7B6DE@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5234) Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , Paul Wouters , EDU Team , IAB Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:04:10 -0000 On 26 Jul 2016, at 9:59, Benoit Claise wrote: >> yes, very hard to move around and way too hot. > Sure. > Let's focus on the main point: have we actually improved the > newcomer’s experience with the couple of changes we introduced (no > conflict with the tutorial, newcomers for less than 5 IETF meetings, > focusing on talking to newcomers and not between ourselves)? I don't think we can separate the points. I found the experience worse than usual due the additional crowding with no additional space. Ben. 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I'm 5'11" ish and usually have to walk through the crowd to find anything, which happens most often when a newcomer is interested in TSV AND something else, so I'm walking them around looking for the other area ... and I recognize enough people to get hints from faces across the room. Spencer On Jul 26, 2016 10:55, "Pat Thaler" wrote: > > In addition to a larger room, it would help to have some sort of room map posted where people enter and on the Area tables. It was difficult to see the signs indicating area on the tables. Some people asked "where is ____ area?" and I didn't have an answer. > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >> >> Despite it being loud, we had a number of newcomers stop by the Routing Area table and we were still there after most chairs and newcomers had moved to the Welcome reception. From my perspective, it was successful. >> Acee >> >> > On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Benoit Claise (bclaise) < bclaise@cisco.com> wrote: >> > >> > On 7/26/2016 3:32 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 05:47, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) < ietf@kuehlewind.net> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi all, >> >>> >> >>> to catch up this thread again. Did you see any improvements? I still had problem to find people because the room was crowed, loud and too hot=E2= =80=A6 :-( However, I believe there were more newcomers there this time=E2=80=A6 >> >> I opted not to attend and that freed up an hour on Sunday. Ops has has some very friendly chairs who were present. >> > I was there. More newcomers and more newcomer interactions. >> > So I believe it was way better than before in that regard. >> > >> > Regards, B. >> >> >> >>> Mirja >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Am 30.06.2016 um 22:54 schrieb Karen O'Donoghue : >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Jun 30, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Andy makes a really good point. A number of spaces have been tight enough to feel claustrophobic with the group size at the time. Some of those also got very loud when full of people. Neither are conducive to the overall goal. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Ben. >> >>>> As part of the team discussing ways to improve the Meet and Greet, I can tell you that the crowding and noise is a factor that we have identified and are considering ways to address. The secretariat has been involved in this discussion as well. We=E2=80=99ll see how Berlin goes and = consider additional improvement to the overall experience going forward. >> >>>> >> >>>> Karen >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:27, Andrew G. Malis wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Benoit, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The changes look good. However, if we=E2=80=99re going to be invi= ting more people, >> >>>>>> we should make sure the the area is appropriately sized for the number of >> >>>>>> invitees. While this wasn=E2=80=99t a problem in Buenos Aires (it= was nice having >> >>>>>> an outdoor venue), in some previous IETFs the space got extremely tight, >> >>>>>> and this may make it even worse. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>>> Andy >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the newcomers >> >>>>>>> experience at the IETF. >> >>>>>>> Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session, we = observed that the >> >>>>>>> relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high compared >> >>>>>>> to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating situations >> >>>>>>> for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up with WG >> >>>>>>> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the number of >> >>>>>>> newcomers. >> >>>>>>> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer=E2= =80=99s Meet and >> >>>>>>> Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend the >> >>>>>>> Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session. >> >>>>>>> Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend their >> >>>>>>> first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings (*) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members discussing among >> >>>>>>> themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session"= , we understand >> >>>>>>> that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each others during the >> >>>>>>> week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues and solve >> >>>>>>> the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, let's not >> >>>>>>> forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all be proactive in >> >>>>>>> welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags on their >> >>>>>>> badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate persons. We >> >>>>>>> count on you. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs saying to >> >>>>>>> their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomer=E2= =80=99s Meet and >> >>>>>>> Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Regards, Benoit >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> (*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system itself, >> >>>>>>> because the system was already open when this was decided. The change will >> >>>>>>> be reflected in the IETF 97 system language. However we are going to >> >>>>>>> manually =E2=80=94 and very soon =E2=80=94 pull this information= from the registration >> >>>>>>> history and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended less than >> >>>>>>> five meetings. >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> edu-team mailing list >> >>>>> edu-team@ietf.org >> >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> edu-team mailing list >> >> edu-team@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team >> > >> > --001a114e52688fa2dd05388cc1a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm +1 on most of the comments in this thread, but espec= ially wanted to +1 either a room map or WAY taller signs. I'm 5'11&= quot; ish and usually have to walk through the crowd to find anything, whic= h happens most often when a newcomer is interested in TSV AND something els= e, so I'm walking them around looking for the other area ... and I reco= gnize enough people to get hints from faces across the room.

Spencer

On Jul 26, 2016 10:55, "Pat Thaler" <pat.thaler@broadcom.com> wrote:
>
> In addition to a larger room, it would help to have some sort of room = map posted where people enter and on the Area tables. It was difficult to s= ee the signs indicating area on the tables. Some people asked "where i= s ____ area?" and I didn't have an answer.
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>> Despite it being loud, we had a number of newcomers stop by the Ro= uting Area table and we were still there after most chairs and newcomers ha= d moved to the Welcome reception. From my perspective, it was successful. >> Acee
>>
>> > On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Benoit Claise (bclaise) <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 7/26/2016 3:32 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 05:47, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) &l= t;ietf@kuehlewind.net> wrote:=
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>> to catch up this thread again. Did you see any improv= ements? I still had problem to find people because the room was crowed, lou= d and too hot=E2=80=A6 :-( However, I believe there were more newcomers the= re this time=E2=80=A6
>> >> I opted not to attend and that freed up an hour on Sunday= . Ops has has some very friendly chairs who were present.
>> > I was there. More newcomers and more newcomer interactions. >> > So I believe it was way better than before in that regard. >> >
>> > Regards, B.
>> >>
>> >>> Mirja
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Am 30.06.2016 um 22:54 schrieb Karen O'Donogh= ue <odonoghue@isoc.org>: >> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Jun 30, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Ben Campbell <= ;ben@nostrum.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Andy makes a really good point. A number of s= paces have been tight enough to feel claustrophobic with the group size at = the time. Some of those also got very loud when full of people. Neither are= conducive to the overall goal.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ben.
>> >>>> As part of the team discussing ways to improve th= e Meet and Greet, I can tell you that the crowding and noise is a factor th= at we have identified and are considering ways to address. The secretariat = has been involved in this discussion as well. We=E2=80=99ll see how Berlin = goes and consider additional improvement to the overall experience going fo= rward.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Karen
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:27, Andrew G. Malis wro= te:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Benoit,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The changes look good. However, if we=E2= =80=99re going to be inviting more people,
>> >>>>>> we should make sure the the area is appro= priately sized for the number of
>> >>>>>> invitees. While this wasn=E2=80=99t a pro= blem in Buenos Aires (it was nice having
>> >>>>>> an outdoor venue), in some previous IETFs= the space got extremely tight,
>> >>>>>> and this may make it even worse.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>> Andy
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Beno= it Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>= ; wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members,=
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The EDU and mentoring teams have been= trying to improve the newcomers
>> >>>>>>> experience at the IETF.
>> >>>>>>> Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s = Meet and Greet session, we observed that the
>> >>>>>>> relative number of WG chairs, ADs, an= d IAB members is pretty high compared
>> >>>>>>> to the number of newcomers. This resu= lted in some intimidating situations
>> >>>>>>> for newcomers. On top of that, this s= ession can quickly end up with WG
>> >>>>>>> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing = among themselves.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Two concrete actions should improve t= he situation regarding the number of
>> >>>>>>> newcomers.
>> >>>>>>> First, by de-conflicting the second E= DU slot and the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and
>> >>>>>>> Greet sessions in the latest agenda, = more newcomers should attend the
>> >>>>>>> Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet ses= sion.
>> >>>>>>> Second, newcomers would not only incl= ude the persons who attend their
>> >>>>>>> first meeting, but the persons who at= tended less than five meetings (*)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Regarding the topic of "WG chair= s, IESG, and IAB members discussing among
>> >>>>>>> themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80= =99s Meet and Greet session", we understand
>> >>>>>>> that, for most of us, this is the fir= st time we see each others during the
>> >>>>>>> week. So naturally, we tend to greet = our friends and colleagues and solve
>> >>>>>>> the last (technical) issues before th= e week madness. However, let's not
>> >>>>>>> forget the goal of this specific meet= ing! So let's all be proactive in
>> >>>>>>> welcoming the newcomers, actively eng= aging people with red tags on their
>> >>>>>>> badges, or simply putting them in con= tact with the appropriate persons. We
>> >>>>>>> count on you.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> There might also be value, specifical= ly for new WG, in WG chairs saying to
>> >>>>>>> their lists, in email, that they inte= nd to be at the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and
>> >>>>>>> Greet session, inviting newcomers to = introduce themselves to them.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Regards, Benoit
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> (*) We were unable to make the change= to the registration system itself,
>> >>>>>>> because the system was already open w= hen this was decided. The change will
>> >>>>>>> be reflected in the IETF 97 system la= nguage.=C2=A0 However we are going to
>> >>>>>>> manually =E2=80=94 and very soon =E2= =80=94 pull this information from the registration
>> >>>>>>> history and direct all invitations to= anyone who has attended less than
>> >>>>>>> five meetings.
>> >>>>> _____________________________________________= __
>> >>>>> edu-team mailing list
>> >>>>> edu-team= @ietf.org
>> >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team
>> >>>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> edu-team mailing list
>> >> edu-team@ietf.org
>> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team
>> >
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--001a114e52688fa2dd05388cc1a0-- From nobody Tue Jul 26 10:03:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6562412D800 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:03:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yahoo.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XLypnt2rCe8t for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8651B12D7EA for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:03:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1469552618; bh=64Z8MIgvLKjjrrnJ3BsMffr8RbT7znBS2m2SEj1HxPA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=E4fU29RSpUt7hNmmeefDxj5Ooeuo7+yMc8d45L7qn3D2TT5V+y6nhoD+O3OURrk5KyXQLTWLzwx26WCYbfdqcf05I22SbEkT3VR3nDc2hgmMaXJn4wjLDXpeJPx1SGwUJ3gCi0GelTX2y5drvVzjrNh5S8dZwn65Icu2R0aYWMlh55zEWprB1h/RblmO/fmMPxdCTaL9KTj2p6Ltswtav8lkz90+rBYYzTx9sR6Wr4jRKESDkQwalXHygHwI3/+FVxgGyej1qzAzzizVN6231erIw+Sv2QNgiTs0gXcPblCUfkdc63Ng5zF079H2hMafASBLHsaQa2nfcvDCvajyIw== Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2016 17:03:38 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.197] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2016 17:03:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1055.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2016 17:03:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 838500.83994.bm@omp1055.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: hFo8DUUVM1mmq8TBWL3rTlbOplTKm4pD972XWxptXHrjgUeS9PW0o02clOdiW.2 AcI7TGVqfpgpDEbWm.b3R5C9fUIZx0QPLqIzxybgONy_.mR_wAa82fAGn3z2sB47kpyYRhtm23iS _HIVvUNLVABO1NmdvFzJ3jXIUHP5PKvzCmoZQ6EKxDmM7fmDl_JDmqj.x09_FAUqdOWqzLguE..F f_36AL80UwOLAcR.fRjev30zLanjkFU49JahbdBe.EOJzrNPcbi7auso.9C4vPHRpuE10FerKWZU LIr_78NOo3C_8hXP8Mhax.fuSLFfdwWjyAM4kQamuigwlYr6YIaYJROhfNryW_SWpZ5IB_u1wu36 xift9D2J.EoWqwFDErwE6DAR.ikBpNy2rUNlaTdozRTYTubBC58KesDYbW8DNalfGny1n3jzaaky DQIGGCwMdsgXGDu7s28tvW4hANL_4EJBiGZM4zQ0PZvUkL.ALe.EUlFmZJt5EqjXK1uYlWXCE6OS 5I3L3PCyJU2p2pSX_Ee8Oo351og5wP9Ir.MJAYRlDgC9c Received: from jws100142.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sendmailws138.mail.ne1.yahoo.com; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:03:38 +0000; 1469552618.299 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:03:37 +0000 (UTC) From: To: Karen O'Donoghue , "edu-team@ietf.org" , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" Message-ID: <1413317291.4822004.1469552617620.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4822003_1522334705.1469552617614" Archived-At: Cc: Toral Cowieson Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] draft charter for Education and Mentoring directorate X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:03:41 -0000 ------=_Part_4822003_1522334705.1469552617614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Karen, Looks great! =C2=A0 Can we add "Remote labs for Outreach (Experiment)" as p= rojects underway? =C2=A0I have a number of people from India and Latin Amer= ica who are very excited about this and want to move forward.=C2=A0Thanks, Nalini ElkinsInside Products, Inc.www.insidethestack.com(831) 659-8360 From: Karen O'Donoghue To: "edu-team@ietf.org" ; "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.= org" =20 Cc: Toral Cowieson Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 6:28 AM Subject: [edu-team] draft charter for Education and Mentoring directorate =20 Folks, Below is the text for the draft charter=E2=80=A6 I=E2=80=99ve edited it bas= ed on yesterday=E2=80=99s conversation.=20 Regards, Karen Education and Mentoring Directorate The goals of the IETF Education and Mentoring Directorate are to enhance th= e productivity of IETF work, expand diversity and inclusiveness of the IETF= , and enable the IETF to facilitate technical development and innovation in= the Internet. In support of this goal, this directorate will structure and guide the educ= ational activities and associated materials to be more accessible, relevant= , reusable, and broadly understandable. The directorate shall also help the= mentoring activities to focus on the establishment of relationships that e= nable productive participation in the IETF. The directorate shall also work= on improved metrics and measurements for assessing the effectiveness of di= rectorate activities. Finally, this directorate will serve as a coordinatio= n function for IETF related outreach activities ensuring that related activ= ities are sufficiently coordinated and have the necessary education and men= toring program support.=20 This directorate serves the General (GEN) area in IETF. The participants in= clude all project leaders of the defined education, mentoring, and outreach= coordination projects, the IESG liaison to educational activities, the IET= F chair, IETF executive director, and additional members selected as needed= .=20 The initial projects under the directorate=E2=80=99s guidance are: =E2=80=93* Face to face tutorials and the online learning library =E2=80=93* Current educational online content assessment and reorganisation =E2=80=93* Mentoring =E2=80=93* WG chairs forum =E2=80=93* Assessment metrics and measurement The proposed members are: Fred Baker Brian Carpenter Benoit Claise (IESG liaison) Toral Cowieson (ISOC fellows program) Nalini Elkins Mirjam Kuehne Alexa Morris (Secretariat) Karen O=E2=80=99Donoghue Ray Pelletier (IAD)=20 Dan Romascanu=20 Alice Russo Greg Wood _______________________________________________ edu-team mailing list edu-team@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team ------=_Part_4822003_1522334705.1469552617614 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Karen,

Looks great!   Can we add "Remote labs for Outreach (E= xperiment)" as projects underway?  I have a number of people from Indi= a and Latin America who are very excited about this and want to move forwar= d.
 
Thanks,

=
Nalini Elkins
Inside Products, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
<= div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469552314115_25891">(831) 659-8360
=
<= br>
From:= Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org>
To: "edu-team@ietf.org" <edu-team@iet= f.org>; "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" <mentoring-coordinators@iet= f.org>
Cc: Toral Co= wieson <cowieson@isoc.org>
= Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 6:28 AM
Subject: [edu-team] draft charter for Education an= d Mentoring directorate

Folks,

Below is the = text for the draft charter=E2=80=A6 I=E2=80=99ve edited it based on yesterd= ay=E2=80=99s conversation.

Regards,
Karen

Education and M= entoring Directorate

The goals of the IETF Education and Mentoring D= irectorate are to enhance the productivity of IETF work, expand diversity a= nd inclusiveness of the IETF, and enable the IETF to facilitate technical d= evelopment and innovation in the Internet.

In support of this goal, = this directorate will structure and guide the educational activities and as= sociated materials to be more accessible, relevant, reusable, and broadly u= nderstandable. The directorate shall also help the mentoring activities to = focus on the establishment of relationships that enable productive particip= ation in the IETF. The directorate shall also work on improved metrics and = measurements for assessing the effectiveness of directorate activities. Fin= ally, this directorate will serve as a coordination function for IETF relat= ed outreach activities ensuring that related activities are sufficiently co= ordinated and have the necessary education and mentoring program support. <= br>
This directorate serves the General (GEN) area in IETF. The particip= ants include all project leaders of the defined education, mentoring, and o= utreach coordination projects, the IESG liaison to educational activities, = the IETF chair, IETF executive director, and additional members selected as= needed.

The initial projects under the directorate=E2=80=99s guida= nce are:
=E2=80=93* Face to face tutorials and the online learning libra= ry
=E2=80=93* Current educational online content assessment and reorgani= sation
=E2=80=93* Mentoring
=E2=80=93* WG chairs forum
=E2=80=93* = Assessment metrics and measurement

The proposed members are:

= Fred Baker
Brian Carpenter
Benoit Claise (IESG liaison)
Toral Cowi= eson (ISOC fellows program)
Nalini Elkins
Mirjam Kuehne
Alexa Morr= is (Secretariat)
Karen O=E2=80=99Donoghue
Ray Pelletier (IAD)
Dan= Romascanu
Alice Russo
Greg Wood


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------=_Part_4822003_1522334705.1469552617614-- From nobody Tue Jul 26 10:40:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D7B12D86E; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:40:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7EK9efq0TD9X; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37B7712D863; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local ([173.57.161.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u6QHeaj4050041 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:40:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [173.57.161.14] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: Benoit Claise , Paul Wouters , WG Chairs References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 12:40:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team , IAB Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5BIAB=5D_=5Bedu-team=5D_Impro?= =?utf-8?q?ving_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:40:41 -0000 From my perspective, I did not notice any improvement that I could attribute to reducing conflicts and changing to <5 meetings for entry. But as Ben noted earlier, it's very difficult gauge the impact given the conflation with the space concerns. I had about the same number of conversations with newcomers as I've had at previous events. I had (with one exception) much _shorter_ and less effective conversations. I saw more groups of newcomers grouped together, not talking to old-timers - I tried to approach those and get them to engage with different people, but they really only wanted to talk to themselves. I made a suggestion to the secretariat that they provide a bag-check for rooms like the one we were in in Berlin - having to dodge fewer backpacks would have helped a little with the hot+crowded feel of the room. Perhaps we could brainstorm on other ideas like that one? RjS On 7/26/16 9:59 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > >> yes, very hard to move around and way too hot. > Sure. > Let's focus on the main point: have we actually improved the > newcomers experience with the couple of changes we introduced (no > conflict with the tutorial, newcomers for less than 5 IETF meetings, > focusing on talking to newcomers and not between ourselves)? > > Regards, B. > From nobody Tue Jul 26 10:51:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1753C12D0EB; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2W3nWI5srR-p; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0442012D875; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA9D1E5D7B; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kgthbHjYRVRm; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (c-50-135-43-191.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [50.135.43.191]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0EA161E5D75; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) To: iab@iab.org, mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, edu-team@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:51:08 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5BIAB=5D_=5Bedu-team=5D_Impro?= =?utf-8?q?ving_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:51:11 -0000 On 7/26/16 10:40 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > From my perspective, I did not notice any improvement that I could > attribute to reducing conflicts and changing to <5 meetings for entry. > But as Ben noted earlier, it's very difficult gauge the impact given > the conflation with the space concerns. > > I had about the same number of conversations with newcomers as I've > had at previous events. > > I had (with one exception) much _shorter_ and less effective > conversations. > > I saw more groups of newcomers grouped together, not talking to > old-timers - I tried to approach those and get them to engage with > different people, but they really only wanted to talk to themselves. > > I made a suggestion to the secretariat that they provide a bag-check > for rooms like the one we were in in Berlin - having to dodge fewer > backpacks would have helped a little with the hot+crowded feel of the > room. Perhaps we could brainstorm on other ideas like that one? The bag check idea and the floorplan map are both excellent ideas that will help regardless of venue. Perhaps displaying at the little check-in table the poster of what the dots mean would also help? -Heather From nobody Tue Jul 26 13:23:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118A412D94A; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:23:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id drWq7RO-DYrg; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x22a.google.com (mail-pa0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11D5212D941; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id pp5so2790964pac.3; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:23:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=x1Hmlok7ROPrbs7Y4pkDL7+LZ6GoZcc0zKVxGtkzn50=; b=XOg/McYrCAVpYKRdWZWxPA/XvHngVE22L1JzajPYemVdqldhle+IAWN6qzKhi6GbDl 8bM2DM8SbcafCaRFXs69aZ3ASKg2t24Sp16zXsZgoCI2kS4HN3O68q6umc4KXdYraTZd 3tcazoKxgu967H5IGk1nKXYhZloemho+DxjLyufwe603GmLhQB9MmV0NgZj5LWfEg/8W AILb4gI8kTSo+2n6CNiddIRnm/1nqP8LYU/Hs+qviwsbcOiw357NDlcNoHIBJ4wQ+Hkb pRsKzjUtbZS90xgr4xJ+a3BoBKCLJYy45td/QZb3QbJKCY23+4ABHpDi1EXAGOMDY2Va T83g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=x1Hmlok7ROPrbs7Y4pkDL7+LZ6GoZcc0zKVxGtkzn50=; b=cpUbRuiNl0azzZWxej9Zpau967b+Z+IbVnqnmw4oOzq2AXPb8aExdaUT4xb7Ug2CiU XQ/SRfOgip7ZVSDFcvc8OnAOQLaiq0pqbSxsAsAxjwf+QvpC8l5nXyp7Sfu1hm/c6smK TYMtL1++sMMOM8gXzJ+YjdwnL5FMt8USfuaptDs5oamqbmW5/6CTZjkdhnGpbtG5LI7T zFCr6R9B8DxjbKvcb+GDhfXsRaVfFNvDapulyoX4qpIZdP5+xzgFA1Jcj4dF9dSxhPCY 8NiCaA3U4FrRunGbLJSpkuJTYlNEd2N4J1BounkhUXn1EL56MY/9IZRh+JU1r8GEMoTR IoEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouuDTtZH1XFk4hWVKrT/DK8loTIYhXIvhFeKawLmpo/OywkpjBxxu0i/2QAmXrmULg== X-Received: by 10.66.216.70 with SMTP id oo6mr42399431pac.39.1469564585563; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e007:4fd5:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? ([2406:e007:4fd5:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b90sm3558877pfc.29.2016.07.26.13.23.01 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:23:04 -0700 (PDT) To: Benoit Claise , Joel Jaeggli , "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <8D744E10-773F-42E7-A5AA-7E89342DA4FE@bogus.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:23:03 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Ben Campbell , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IAB , EDU Team , WG Chairs Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:23:08 -0000 On 27/07/2016 02:00, Benoit Claise wrote: ... > I was there. More newcomers and more newcomer interactions. > So I believe it was way better than before in that regard. I'd agree with that, despite the crowding and noise level. At least I was able to have a decent conversation with my mentee. I think the reminder to focus on talking to newcomers needs to be sent out every time. I think the Secretariat now knows about the space problem for future meetings, but the noise problem depends critically on the acoustic properties of the room and may be impossible to fix in most venues. By the way, I also went to Nalini's Speed Mentoring session at Sunday lunchtime, and found that better - no noise problem, 5 minute timeout enforced on each conversation, and no distractions such as free drinks ;-) Regards Brian From nobody Tue Jul 26 13:37:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8CD12D944; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:37:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1apsy60dkqNE; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x22c.google.com (mail-pf0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0F4C12D0BA; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id p64so3069900pfb.1; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:37:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ykfehaRvGrhA/TATfvwsi6kJ3DqFu/47DuRHzH93NSM=; b=0+FQeGt1xPnbL1LlWGKnA1Mc+AstA84dYTFhgp/dk/SYHxa6VMWnwRfHIhYJmwVpZv ckT3C7itJICRw3HZJ9lp7Cv3ybJTSznfFH21VSuaIbOQKXFL9zzGfKy4mWrd08gVK6b6 yElYbMxMLcfWylWacEQ1FKbmOcuk/vviiXTjE1tgwRBAFSv6hpL+ftahYapEQKJRSCdl YRDc2848CS8o7iSvgeZpEJ3kyfTiplHTESvIU4D1fXoQiC6firLCmSYj0Vyv3PKw51Wx 6+EWnwkm9cHKtJ6FfEgswGHvLkx0ve0C5+A0bjYnLFi3XrdUGHJq+uJ8BZIwBl/YYkMo 2jpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ykfehaRvGrhA/TATfvwsi6kJ3DqFu/47DuRHzH93NSM=; b=AyyJ2Qg+t6oZbfcr5iCepQBtJiXjyrfA5cbgIZIDiH970Y0nLCMEtExv74gDasAVt4 vG/MGyrlSvBcfoTr1ZXYGAegFOvcDrcMd9QdCVfCadG40TxdGlSUJdq4nv32bYlggCg3 o80KJDf26om+JnpuL5IUUpdjs0uEYz+rPK+x5gJ2KCAbl0rXrDHZFY8+qAck8GpITnEq 1SdO9nXrkLw9ZUvJiNbPPomI1M/nFLCvlvIoRhe6Kf++0u1a3j/+5wFv5Uep5m1Pbbhh vX5MjlxcIf1WIq8XQ5Nk61qB7uSTY9AATH9LLMKpxGJiit/9C3xbZ97SGlXMlMi51kq/ MHKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouuqor0fK5qSUVugHM8/EvqguYabn5eJSE+JDurfPpeA4dqb0JkrkGcL13iZgrYjNw== X-Received: by 10.98.72.28 with SMTP id v28mr42621280pfa.139.1469565423366; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e007:4fd5:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? ([2406:e007:4fd5:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 84sm3543077pfp.59.2016.07.26.13.37.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:37:02 -0700 (PDT) To: Karen O'Donoghue , "edu-team@ietf.org" , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" References: From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <21764d2f-5cc1-d872-a3e7-b207d881c343@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:37:02 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Toral Cowieson Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] draft charter for Education and Mentoring directorate X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:37:05 -0000 Hi, Main comment: looks good. ... > Finally, this directorate will serve as a coordination function for IETF related outreach activities ensuring that related activities are sufficiently coordinated and have the necessary education and mentoring program support. I still have a little heartburn about this because I'm sure that E&M will not coordinate at least two aspects of outreach (SDO liaisons, overseen by the IAB, and outreach to the network operations community, clearly an Ops Area job). So I suggest tuning this sentence slightly: Finally, this directorate will serve as a coordination function for IETF related outreach activities _directed at participants_, ensuring that related activities are sufficiently coordinated and have the necessary education and mentoring program support. > This directorate serves the General (GEN) area in IETF. The participants include all project leaders of the defined education, mentoring, and outreach coordination projects, the IESG liaison to educational activities, the IETF chair, IETF executive director, and additional members selected as needed. I think this should state unambiguously that members are appointed by the General Area Director and serve at his or her pleasure. I guess Jari will also appoint the (co-)chair(s). Regards Brian From nobody Tue Jul 26 13:44:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867A112D5A5; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:44:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.508 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 87csN0DMZmGn; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 894F812D5C8; 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Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:52:05 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'EDU Team'" References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <88C2EE26-44E5-4E6B-B46F-A74A87C7B6DE@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <88C2EE26-44E5-4E6B-B46F-A74A87C7B6DE@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:52:06 +0100 Message-ID: <020901d1e77f$92cce760$b866b620$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQG1HPZVVSqXX+Zbv34HDWxplGsHNwKJg4J4Ab8jaGECtNj4wQKi+bv1AYctK9wC2nVfdAJkqjjTAKAU4Eef3IxQoA== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22476.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--13.469-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--13.469-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: scwq2vQP8OEwJ6xbTjBa5uadXXcOleEbxlds8of0qTdcKZwALwMGszJs McRxpvl6p8x+oi6hNP+QaXsYmB+f4HZFqfLxlafelGudLLtRO1vk1oLUTatnP9p1biJhIyNRp7u eaEkDqTNO5gaRckOLyKobdr+MFl+Gw9dU5xwENT2aVoAi2I40/T8V4lh/3DF1rD+MYAeRzd8lKp IG6NAbOUI151Ik6JcMeEo5EQ3Eg7Hf3usTKkHoS7Gj3LN0+Ey9fS0Ip2eEHnzWRN8STJpl3PoLR 4+zsDTtGM6W3U+LnndOmFcrNMs+BhRcDGsyNpWmR1L7xH0LHEHjBEbJVRZ8Ag== Archived-At: Cc: 'WG Chairs' , mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, 'IAB' Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:52:10 -0000 I'm going to pile in on the hot and crowded, and add the acoustic of the = room. I really want to make these events useful and I did speak to a few = newcomers, but within 15 minutes I was ready to scream - which may be = just as well because this was the only way I was going to be heard. Making it easier to attend, and making the sessions open to more people = is a great idea, but it should be no surprise that this increases the = attendance. So, next time, book a football stadium! In case anyone should under estimate this issue, the meeting was so = unpleasant and draining that I will think twice before going to another = one. That's a serious fail. A > -----Original Message----- > From: WGChairs [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben = Campbell > Sent: 26 July 2016 16:50 > To: Benoit Claise > Cc: WG Chairs; mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org; EDU Team; IAB > Subject: Re: [edu-team] Improving the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and = Greet experience >=20 > On 26 Jul 2016, at 9:59, Benoit Claise wrote: >=20 > >> yes, very hard to move around and way too hot. > > Sure. > > Let's focus on the main point: have we actually improved the > > newcomer=E2=80=99s experience with the couple of changes we = introduced (no > > conflict with the tutorial, newcomers for less than 5 IETF meetings, > > focusing on talking to newcomers and not between ourselves)? >=20 > I don't think we can separate the points. I found the experience worse > than usual due the additional crowding with no additional space. >=20 > Ben. 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This can be inside a = color coded circle if we want to reference tradition, but there=E2=80=99s = no compelling reason to not put =E2=80=9CIAB=E2=80=9D instead of = whatever-color the IAB dot is. I think the same should be for WG chairs: = print in a clear block on the badge what group we=E2=80=99re chair of. = These markings are there to ostensibly help newcomers, and yet they=E2=80=99= re only understandable by non-newcomers. I can=E2=80=99t ever remember = which dot means what, after all these years. It made some sense when the dots were literally stickers that were added = to the badges after the fact, but now they=E2=80=99re printed as part of = the badge. Why keep the skeumorphism of the dots?=20 I know we=E2=80=99re all engineers, but do we *really* have to make = things difficult for people? :) =E2=80=94 Justin > On Jul 26, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) = wrote: >=20 > On 7/26/16 10:40 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: >> =46rom my perspective, I did not notice any improvement that I could >> attribute to reducing conflicts and changing to <5 meetings for = entry. >> But as Ben noted earlier, it's very difficult gauge the impact given >> the conflation with the space concerns. >>=20 >> I had about the same number of conversations with newcomers as I've >> had at previous events. >>=20 >> I had (with one exception) much _shorter_ and less effective >> conversations. >>=20 >> I saw more groups of newcomers grouped together, not talking to >> old-timers - I tried to approach those and get them to engage with >> different people, but they really only wanted to talk to themselves. >>=20 >> I made a suggestion to the secretariat that they provide a bag-check >> for rooms like the one we were in in Berlin - having to dodge fewer >> backpacks would have helped a little with the hot+crowded feel of the >> room. Perhaps we could brainstorm on other ideas like that one? >=20 > The bag check idea and the floorplan map are both excellent ideas that > will help regardless of venue. Perhaps displaying at the little = check-in > table the poster of what the dots mean would also help? >=20 > -Heather --Apple-Mail=_F6E5A44A-946B-4E71-87DD-0420AF0310C2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve been saying for ages that instead of the little = dots we should just print on the badge the actual role. This can be = inside a color coded circle if we want to reference tradition, but = there=E2=80=99s no compelling reason to not put =E2=80=9CIAB=E2=80=9D = instead of whatever-color the IAB dot is. I think the same should be for = WG chairs: print in a clear block on the badge what group we=E2=80=99re = chair of. These markings are there to ostensibly help newcomers, and yet = they=E2=80=99re only understandable by non-newcomers. I can=E2=80=99t = ever remember which dot means what, after all these years.

It made some sense when = the dots were literally stickers that were added to the badges after the = fact, but now they=E2=80=99re printed as part of the badge. Why keep the = skeumorphism of the dots? 

I know we=E2=80=99re all engineers, but = do we *really* have to make things difficult for people? :)

 =E2=80=94 = Justin

On Jul 26, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Heather Flanagan = (RFC Series Editor) <rse@rfc-editor.org> wrote:

On 7/26/16 10:40 AM, Robert Sparks = wrote:
=46rom my = perspective, I did not notice any improvement that I could
attribute to reducing conflicts and changing to <5 = meetings for entry.
But as Ben noted earlier, it's very = difficult gauge the impact given
the conflation with the = space concerns.

I had about the same number = of conversations with newcomers as I've
had at previous = events.

I had (with one exception) much = _shorter_ and less effective
conversations.

I saw more groups of newcomers grouped = together, not talking to
old-timers - I tried to approach = those and get them to engage with
different people, but = they really only wanted to talk to themselves.

I made a suggestion to the secretariat that they provide a = bag-check
for rooms like the one we were in in Berlin - = having to dodge fewer
backpacks would have helped a little = with the hot+crowded feel of the
room. Perhaps we could = brainstorm on other ideas like that one?

The bag check idea = and the floorplan map are both excellent ideas that
will help = regardless of venue. Perhaps displaying at the little check-in
table the poster of = what the dots mean would also help?

-Heather

= --Apple-Mail=_F6E5A44A-946B-4E71-87DD-0420AF0310C2-- From nobody Tue Jul 26 21:22:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B47112D645; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:22:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GJRIvUmGMoPE; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.yitter.info (mx2.yitter.info [IPv6:2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:cfab]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CDF12D504; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id D411B10D7D; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:22:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at crankycanuck.ca Received: from mx2.yitter.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.yitter.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JsFWMF9gb5Hj; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx2.yitter.info (192-0-220-231.cpe.teksavvy.com [192.0.220.231]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E358710D4B; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:22:14 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: IAB Message-ID: <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5BIAB=5D_=5Bedu-team=5D_Impro?= =?utf-8?q?ving_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:22:12 -0000 Hi, On this: On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:40:36PM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: > I saw more groups of newcomers grouped together, not talking to old-timers - > I tried to approach those and get them to engage with different people, but > they really only wanted to talk to themselves. Why is that a problem? I don't really care _how_ people link up and start having positive experiences in the IETF context, as long as they do. I'm not that valuable; if they find it better to talk amongst themselves -- maybe they're plotting to end the IAB! -- then we've provided a safe low-friction way for that to happen, no? A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From nobody Tue Jul 26 21:33:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E0312D616; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:33:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JlE9QYn61QEc; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.yitter.info (mx2.yitter.info [IPv6:2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:cfab]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B31F12B02C; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F8810D77; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:33:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at crankycanuck.ca Received: from mx2.yitter.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.yitter.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xUwfRiUU9tg6; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx2.yitter.info (192-0-220-231.cpe.teksavvy.com [192.0.220.231]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C5BAE10D4B; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:33:45 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: IAB , wgchairs@ietf.org, mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, edu-team@ietf.org Message-ID: <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5BIAB=5D_=5Bedu-team=5D_Impro?= =?utf-8?q?ving_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:33:43 -0000 On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 05:23:19PM -0400, Justin Richer wrote: > I’ve been saying for ages that instead of the little dots we should just print on the badge the actual role. This can be inside a color coded circle if we want to reference tradition, but there’s no compelling reason to not put “IAB” instead of whatever-color the IAB dot is. I think this is a great idea. One of the things that has started to bother me even more this year than usual is the extent to which the IETF uses "appeal to tradition" as a premise in arguments as opposed to a way of refuting an argument. It's just not true that you should keep doing things in some way because it's always been that way, and the ability of the former monopoly telcos to believe that style of thinking got them to the leading position they have today. ;-) Let's adapt to our new technical powers, and print things on badges so that even newcomers can understand the sign, if not the signified. 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([2406:e007:4fd5:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e72sm5443437pfb.49.2016.07.26.22.42.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:42:44 -0700 (PDT) To: Andrew Sullivan , IAB , wgchairs@ietf.org, mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, edu-team@ietf.org References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:42:45 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:42:48 -0000 (Repeating with all the cc's) Coloured dots are much easier to recognise at a distance, or without peering rudely at someone's badge. So while I take the point that they are obscure at first, they add value too. "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers, whereas "People with coloured dots are knowledgeable and can answer questions" is= an easy message. But there are too many colours now (8 plus the smiley face). See slide 16= at https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/tutorials/newcomers.html Regards Brian On 27/07/2016 16:33, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 05:23:19PM -0400, Justin Richer wrote: >> I=E2=80=99ve been saying for ages that instead of the little dots we s= hould just print on the badge the actual role. This can be inside a color= coded circle if we want to reference tradition, but there=E2=80=99s no c= ompelling reason to not put =E2=80=9CIAB=E2=80=9D instead of whatever-col= or the IAB dot is. >=20 > I think this is a great idea. >=20 > One of the things that has started to bother me even more this year > than usual is the extent to which the IETF uses "appeal to tradition" > as a premise in arguments as opposed to a way of refuting an argument. > It's just not true that you should keep doing things in some way > because it's always been that way, and the ability of the former > monopoly telcos to believe that style of thinking got them to the > leading position they have today. ;-) Let's adapt to our new technical > powers, and print things on badges so that even newcomers can > understand the sign, if not the signified. >=20 > A >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 27 02:51:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D3712DDBB; 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boundary="Apple-Mail=_4D035F25-4618-4573-ACF0-0562A7D25686"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: IETF WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IETF edu Team , IAB Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_In_defence_of_d?= =?utf-8?q?ots_=5BImproving_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experien?= =?utf-8?b?Y2Vd?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:51:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4D035F25-4618-4573-ACF0-0562A7D25686 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 repeating with far too many CCs... I can see both sides of this. If we're printing the dot in color, could = we print the acronym in color, or overlay the dot with the acronym in = some way? And yes, let's make it large enough that one doesn't have to = rudely peer at someone else's badge. Then what is now a blue dot on a badge would be a blue something at a = distance, and the designation of the working group up close. That would = also help with meet+greet, where we write the designation of our working = group on a label attached to our badge or shirt. "look for people with dots" becomes "look for people with colorful = badges". > On Jul 27, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Brian E Carpenter = wrote: >=20 > Coloured dots are much easier to recognise at a distance, or without > peering rudely at someone's badge. So while I take the point that they > are obscure at first, they add value too. >=20 > "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers, = whereas > "People with coloured dots are knowledgeable and can answer questions" = is > an easy message. >=20 > Regards > Brian >=20 > On 27/07/2016 16:33, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 05:23:19PM -0400, Justin Richer wrote: >>> I=E2=80=99ve been saying for ages that instead of the little dots we = should just print on the badge the actual role. This can be inside a = color coded circle if we want to reference tradition, but there=E2=80=99s = no compelling reason to not put =E2=80=9CIAB=E2=80=9D instead of = whatever-color the IAB dot is. >>=20 >> I think this is a great idea. >>=20 >> One of the things that has started to bother me even more this year >> than usual is the extent to which the IETF uses "appeal to tradition" >> as a premise in arguments as opposed to a way of refuting an = argument. >> It's just not true that you should keep doing things in some way >> because it's always been that way, and the ability of the former >> monopoly telcos to believe that style of thinking got them to the >> leading position they have today. ;-) Let's adapt to our new = technical >> powers, and print things on badges so that even newcomers can >> understand the sign, if not the signified. >>=20 >> A >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team --Apple-Mail=_4D035F25-4618-4573-ACF0-0562A7D25686 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; 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Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id u6RCxVGA032620; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:59:31 -0400 Received: from [172.25.209.115] ([199.244.219.64]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as jricher@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id u6RCxLaQ014802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:59:24 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Justin Richer In-Reply-To: <3db480a7d34e4584b190589536427f39@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:59:18 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0070234B-9B4A-4EF0-87D2-97ACA1187161@mit.edu> References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> <3db480a7d34e4584b190589536427f39@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> To: "Salz, Rich" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprGKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nrmuyYUa4wbcrehYHPl9jsmi7uI/J Yv/E60wWi/48YbLY/vUGo8X/LZ0sFv/3T2F0YPeYfGQBs8ezk6/YPXbOusvucevqS2aPJUt+ MgWwRnHZpKTmZJalFunbJXBlrFx5nrlggmDFwjMbGRsYn/J2MXJwSAiYSLQv0uxi5OIQEmhj kviw7zsjhLORUWLDntdQznomiZuTnzN1MXJyMAuoS/yZd4kZxOYV0JPYtP4tWFxYoFbi+dEr YDabgKrE9DUtYDanQLDExIuXWUBsFqD4wXuNrCBDmQVWM0kc3f+YFWKotsSyha+hhlpJLL65 nBli8zZWiaML37CBJEQElCWOz3zACGJLCMhKPDm5iGUCo8AsJEfNQnLULCRzFzAyr2KUTcmt 0s1NzMwpTk3WLU5OzMtLLdK10MvNLNFLTSndxAgOfhfVHYxz/nodYhTgYFTi4X2wfXq4EGti WXFl7iFGSQ4mJVHeRY4zwoX4kvJTKjMSizPii0pzUosPMUpwMCuJ8DquBsrxpiRWVqUW5cOk pDlYlMR5t39rDxcSSE8sSc1OTS1ILYLJynBwKEnwaq8HahQsSk1PrUjLzClBSDNxcIIM5wEa rgpSw1tckJhbnJkOkT/FqCglzvt9HVBCACSRUZoH1wtKTse/3HZ4xSgO9Iow7zqQdh5gYoPr fgU0mAlocHEs2OCSRISUVAOj5fy423fjjb7WsVl63n+wqKH/54F9AeIfWKq3twXfS59rWi43 l4vjSFo4y9TjFnwRT1s5Ht7KXBN6aT9/kuinq2+lbT4xpr/Ke56ln67TUHB7A0/uaYvlBnmp AT/WcO9/lM92XiLgV+hnzroGHbNF1VuLv9xwzJ6ikXf/ge96V8vvoTG2E1cosRRnJBpqMRcV JwIA0YFu1CkDAAA= Archived-At: Cc: "wgchairs@ietf.org" , Andrew Sullivan , IAB , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , "edu-team@ietf.org" , Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:59:36 -0000 I honestly don=E2=80=99t buy the =E2=80=9Cdots are recognizable at a = distance=E2=80=9D argument because I, personally, have never used that. = Yes, I can see the dot in the distance. But what color dot was I = supposed to look for? I don=E2=80=99t want to blunder up to someone with = the =E2=80=9Cwrong=E2=80=9D dot color, but maybe that=E2=80=99s just me. = If that=E2=80=99s really what we want, then I say we get rid of the dots = and do what every other conference does =E2=80=94 use the little flags = that hang off the bottom of the badge. They=E2=80=99re large, colorful, = and they explain (in text) what it actually means. I was at OSCON this = year and they even had tags you could fill in with a sharpie, which we = could use to mark WG Chairs and things like that. Also, a serious question: why on earth do we think it=E2=80=99s rude to = read people=E2=80=99s badges? Isn=E2=80=99t that the purpose of the = badge? If we feel like we don=E2=80=99t want people to read them, then I = say we get rid of badges altogether so as to avoid the temptation to be = =E2=80=9Crude=E2=80=9D and read text that=E2=80=99s put on public = display like that. :) Seriously though, I read people=E2=80=99s badges = all the time =E2=80=94 because I want to know what their name is and, = often, what their company is. If I can also see that =E2=80=9Chey this = person is the SEC AD=E2=80=9D that=E2=80=99s actually *better* for me.=20= I=E2=80=99m trying to challenge the mindset of =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=99ve = always done it this way and had a good reason at the time=E2=80=9D. =E2=80=94 Justin > On Jul 27, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: >=20 >> "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers, >> whereas "People with coloured dots are knowledgeable and can answer >> questions" is an easy message. >>=20 >> But there are too many colours now (8 plus the smiley face). See = slide 16 at >> https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/tutorials/newcomers.html >=20 > Yes, way way way too many. >=20 > Perhaps one dot that can be seen at more distance, and then text when = you get close enough to read their name.=20 From nobody Wed Jul 27 06:53:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B729B12D0C4; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:53:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xh8qMFLkzQXb; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EFB12D808; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.10.10.73] (modemcable207.213-226-192.mc.videotron.ca [192.226.213.207]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2CC74034B; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:53:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marc Blanchet" To: "Andrew Sullivan" Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:53:13 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5234) Archived-At: Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, IAB , edu-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5BIAB=5D_=5Bedu-team=5D_Impro?= =?utf-8?q?ving_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s__Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:53:19 -0000 On 27 Jul 2016, at 0:33, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 05:23:19PM -0400, Justin Richer wrote: >> I’ve been saying for ages that instead of the little dots we should >> just print on the badge the actual role. same here. I did many times exactly that using a pen, because people were asking, and myself (even after 20 years active participation in IETF and being wg chair and IAB member) I did not remember the colours… So it actually helped me remember the meaning of the colours… Marc. >> This can be inside a color coded circle if we want to reference >> tradition, but there’s no compelling reason to not put “IAB” >> instead of whatever-color the IAB dot is. > > I think this is a great idea. > > One of the things that has started to bother me even more this year > than usual is the extent to which the IETF uses "appeal to tradition" > as a premise in arguments as opposed to a way of refuting an argument. > It's just not true that you should keep doing things in some way > because it's always been that way, and the ability of the former > monopoly telcos to believe that style of thinking got them to the > leading position they have today. ;-) Let's adapt to our new technical > powers, and print things on badges so that even newcomers can > understand the sign, if not the signified. > > A > > > -- > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From nobody Wed Jul 27 07:03:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF16D12D8EF; 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Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.237.52.193 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.237.52.193 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:03:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> <3db480a7d34e4584b190589536427f39@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> <0070234B-9B4A-4EF0-87D2-97ACA1187161@mit.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:03:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: Justin Richer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114a88088bec9305389e7c15 Archived-At: Cc: "wgchairs@ietf.org" , "Salz, Rich" , IAB , mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, EDU Team , Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:03:52 -0000 --001a114a88088bec9305389e7c15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Justin, Regardless of where we end up on this detail - and ribbons off the bottom seems useful to me, I'm greatly heartened by the efforts to challenge the mindset of "we've always done things this way" and ask what is better & useful going forward. Regards, Alia On Jul 27, 2016 8:59 AM, "Justin Richer" wrote: I honestly don=E2=80=99t buy the =E2=80=9Cdots are recognizable at a distan= ce=E2=80=9D argument because I, personally, have never used that. Yes, I can see the dot in the distance. But what color dot was I supposed to look for? I don=E2=80=99t wa= nt to blunder up to someone with the =E2=80=9Cwrong=E2=80=9D dot color, but maybe= that=E2=80=99s just me. If that=E2=80=99s really what we want, then I say we get rid of the dots an= d do what every other conference does =E2=80=94 use the little flags that hang o= ff the bottom of the badge. They=E2=80=99re large, colorful, and they explain (in = text) what it actually means. I was at OSCON this year and they even had tags you could fill in with a sharpie, which we could use to mark WG Chairs and things like that. Also, a serious question: why on earth do we think it=E2=80=99s rude to rea= d people=E2=80=99s badges? Isn=E2=80=99t that the purpose of the badge? If we= feel like we don=E2=80=99t want people to read them, then I say we get rid of badges alt= ogether so as to avoid the temptation to be =E2=80=9Crude=E2=80=9D and read text th= at=E2=80=99s put on public display like that. :) Seriously though, I read people=E2=80=99s badg= es all the time =E2=80=94 because I want to know what their name is and, often, wh= at their company is. If I can also see that =E2=80=9Chey this person is the SEC AD= =E2=80=9D that=E2=80=99s actually *better* for me. I=E2=80=99m trying to challenge the mindset of =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=99ve alway= s done it this way and had a good reason at the time=E2=80=9D. =E2=80=94 Justin > On Jul 27, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: > >> "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers, >> whereas "People with coloured dots are knowledgeable and can answer >> questions" is an easy message. >> >> But there are too many colours now (8 plus the smiley face). See slide 16 at >> https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/tutorials/newcomers.html > > Yes, way way way too many. > > Perhaps one dot that can be seen at more distance, and then text when you get close enough to read their name. --001a114a88088bec9305389e7c15 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Justin,

Regardless of where we end up on this detail - and ribbons o= ff the bottom seems useful to me, I'm greatly heartened by the efforts = to challenge the mindset of "we've always done things this way&quo= t; and ask what is better & useful going forward.

Regards,
Alia


On Jul 27, 2016 8= :59 AM, "Justin Richer" <jr= icher@mit.edu> wrote:
I honestly don=E2=80=99t buy the =E2=80=9Cdots are recognizable at a dis= tance=E2=80=9D argument because I, personally, have never used that. Yes, I= can see the dot in the distance. But what color dot was I supposed to look= for? I don=E2=80=99t want to blunder up to someone with the =E2=80=9Cwrong= =E2=80=9D dot color, but maybe that=E2=80=99s just me. If that=E2=80=99s re= ally what we want, then I say we get rid of the dots and do what every othe= r conference does =E2=80=94 use the little flags that hang off the bottom o= f the badge. They=E2=80=99re large, colorful, and they explain (in text) wh= at it actually means. I was at OSCON this year and they even had tags you c= ould fill in with a sharpie, which we could use to mark WG Chairs and thing= s like that.

Also, a serious question: why on earth do we think it=E2=80=99s rude to rea= d people=E2=80=99s badges? Isn=E2=80=99t that the purpose of the badge? If = we feel like we don=E2=80=99t want people to read them, then I say we get r= id of badges altogether so as to avoid the temptation to be =E2=80=9Crude= =E2=80=9D and read text that=E2=80=99s put on public display like that. :) = Seriously though, I read people=E2=80=99s badges all the time =E2=80=94 bec= ause I want to know what their name is and, often, what their company is. I= f I can also see that =E2=80=9Chey this person is the SEC AD=E2=80=9D that= =E2=80=99s actually *better* for me.

I=E2=80=99m trying to challenge the mindset of =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=99ve alway= s done it this way and had a good reason at the time=E2=80=9D.

=C2=A0=E2=80=94 Justin

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:
>
>> "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many ne= wcomers,
>> whereas "People with coloured dots are knowledgeable and can = answer
>> questions" is an easy message.
>>
>> But there are too many colours now (8 plus the smiley face). See s= lide 16 at
>> https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/tut= orials/newcomers.html
>
> Yes, way way way too many.
>
> Perhaps one dot that can be seen at more distance, and then text when = you get close enough to read their name.


--001a114a88088bec9305389e7c15-- From nobody Wed Jul 27 07:22:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC1B12DADD; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:22:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nHmUgK7paK6a; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AA4312D98D; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F74B18015A1; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:22:00 +0200 (CEST) To: Alia Atlas , Justin Richer References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> <3db480a7d34e4584b190589536427f39@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> <0070234B-9B4A-4EF0-87D2-97ACA1187161@mit.edu> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:21:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "wgchairs@ietf.org" , mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, IAB , EDU Team , Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:22:06 -0000 Folks, I don't think "dots" are broken, so why try to mend it. If you suggest a real improvement I will gladly support that. But printing "roles" on an already crowded badge possibly not the right thing to do. Print the IESG, IAB, IAOC and NomCom badges on different colored paper could be worth thinking about, and just "dot" the rest of the positions. /Loa On 2016-07-27 16:03, Alia Atlas wrote: > Justin, > > Regardless of where we end up on this detail - and ribbons off the > bottom seems useful to me, I'm greatly heartened by the efforts to > challenge the mindset of "we've always done things this way" and ask > what is better & useful going forward. > > Regards, > Alia > > > On Jul 27, 2016 8:59 AM, "Justin Richer" > wrote: > > I honestly don’t buy the “dots are recognizable at a distance” > argument because I, personally, have never used that. Yes, I can see > the dot in the distance. But what color dot was I supposed to look > for? I don’t want to blunder up to someone with the “wrong” dot > color, but maybe that’s just me. If that’s really what we want, then > I say we get rid of the dots and do what every other conference does > — use the little flags that hang off the bottom of the badge. > They’re large, colorful, and they explain (in text) what it actually > means. I was at OSCON this year and they even had tags you could > fill in with a sharpie, which we could use to mark WG Chairs and > things like that. > > Also, a serious question: why on earth do we think it’s rude to read > people’s badges? Isn’t that the purpose of the badge? If we feel > like we don’t want people to read them, then I say we get rid of > badges altogether so as to avoid the temptation to be “rude” and > read text that’s put on public display like that. :) Seriously > though, I read people’s badges all the time — because I want to know > what their name is and, often, what their company is. If I can also > see that “hey this person is the SEC AD” that’s actually *better* > for me. > > I’m trying to challenge the mindset of “we’ve always done it this > way and had a good reason at the time”. > > — Justin > > > On Jul 27, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Salz, Rich > wrote: > > > >> "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers, > >> whereas "People with coloured dots are knowledgeable and can answer > >> questions" is an easy message. > >> > >> But there are too many colours now (8 plus the smiley face). See > slide 16 at > >> https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/tutorials/newcomers.html > > > > Yes, way way way too many. > > > > Perhaps one dot that can be seen at more distance, and then text > when you get close enough to read their name. > > From nobody Wed Jul 27 07:33:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6083112D140; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:33:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 84w-iagtgQkA; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x236.google.com (mail-qt0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A22E12DAAC; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x236.google.com with SMTP id 52so30717459qtq.3; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:33:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=xLEDawm2nSaDBBjoectwlePiI9Eyppf2c4O6SEV7AKA=; b=rTbKDRoVTTLrvzpIsdk4EcQLT7wa4dimvB51ILSTxUUSJdy+FsAvSUF9bYu7g18FtH rUh80kz3VYtZIPOS6Z4vxk8F8tK5ab59TwB9OEom5QQSkSnfcMMIxdy1ho73gI05RUVo eDVcZOLQGWMnDaDFj5GW8fKlAWzcfsXEzIVlNEkiAPmukPJ+wL93oqfppVDU/wM38GWT lrqaDNddGDjZo9iSiIcRGRHe+PDq/CH+cMc8RKZ5COPHlKhFxXm8QMiyQeeR8TCU4AgM TRily8ekl/dN+2x4kDastKzk0auGTDR5kBJpsd05nbj4kuBHoTgZzG6dK0W4ICiqPHJg jKFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=xLEDawm2nSaDBBjoectwlePiI9Eyppf2c4O6SEV7AKA=; b=RGu+eshuQ9QETfV3RiJg94v9aCHuizHJ3nGnqe7mK7tK9UajlXmT1NjGQfGUneFlyK G93TD89thjOND1ZqtgXQBBls5NFYFJkWcceqaN8wBOKtjaXpQt8cobo++t8YuSl5JlaJ db+eX0j3rallqKHy7XpMiJu3VM6pf8aC2S/YFXqAzJFoevm8Jy6cqPR1gpUZr6DqgvCd hY1jjKVhkQf3xJKv8MrD3ostP1wanPljcmGZK/Oq273iC7Wtj2QMxVtN2HHVwkAaLPYj yD9bkxYe/i+pQcXHRhjF5lkzXcwQKUmXnq7Mx09qF99/oGWW3D3SeoNOmCQ/my751hO+ Ivqw== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkooushhzXFxf1GscxOru3IizBy2DSlXagbn1qesnlRXWlMMDHsO8CfdHI+QfSkyclSNkHJggzbgUh/O21Wmw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.200.56.35 with SMTP id q32mr48299803qtb.32.1469629993679; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.237.52.193 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.237.52.193 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:33:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> <3db480a7d34e4584b190589536427f39@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> <0070234B-9B4A-4EF0-87D2-97ACA1187161@mit.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:33:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: Loa Andersson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113aad42b9836c05389ee5e2 Archived-At: Cc: "wgchairs@ietf.org" , Justin Richer , IAB , mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, EDU Team , Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:33:18 -0000 --001a113aad42b9836c05389ee5e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Loa, A couple years ago, we started giving NomCom large buttons because the dots weren't sufficiently clear. I'd be interested in what impact that has had. I wouldn't personally try to engineer-on-the-fly what the badges should look like, but see what is practically possible & useful. For instance, ribbons off a badge are common in many contexts. There is a question of perceived modesty about the roles held, but that can interfere with folks finding the person needed for their conversation. Regards, Alia On Jul 27, 2016 10:22 AM, "Loa Andersson" wrote: > Folks, > > I don't think "dots" are broken, so why try to mend it. If you suggest > a real improvement I will gladly support that. But printing "roles" on > an already crowded badge possibly not the right thing to do. > > Print the IESG, IAB, IAOC and NomCom badges on different colored paper > could be worth thinking about, and just "dot" the rest of the positions. > > /Loa > > On 2016-07-27 16:03, Alia Atlas wrote: > >> Justin, >> >> Regardless of where we end up on this detail - and ribbons off the >> bottom seems useful to me, I'm greatly heartened by the efforts to >> challenge the mindset of "we've always done things this way" and ask >> what is better & useful going forward. >> >> Regards, >> Alia >> >> >> On Jul 27, 2016 8:59 AM, "Justin Richer" > > wrote: >> >> I honestly don=E2=80=99t buy the =E2=80=9Cdots are recognizable at a= distance=E2=80=9D >> argument because I, personally, have never used that. Yes, I can see >> the dot in the distance. But what color dot was I supposed to look >> for? I don=E2=80=99t want to blunder up to someone with the =E2=80= =9Cwrong=E2=80=9D dot >> color, but maybe that=E2=80=99s just me. If that=E2=80=99s really wh= at we want, then >> I say we get rid of the dots and do what every other conference does >> =E2=80=94 use the little flags that hang off the bottom of the badge= . >> They=E2=80=99re large, colorful, and they explain (in text) what it = actually >> means. I was at OSCON this year and they even had tags you could >> fill in with a sharpie, which we could use to mark WG Chairs and >> things like that. >> >> Also, a serious question: why on earth do we think it=E2=80=99s rude= to read >> people=E2=80=99s badges? Isn=E2=80=99t that the purpose of the badge= ? If we feel >> like we don=E2=80=99t want people to read them, then I say we get ri= d of >> badges altogether so as to avoid the temptation to be =E2=80=9Crude= =E2=80=9D and >> read text that=E2=80=99s put on public display like that. :) Serious= ly >> though, I read people=E2=80=99s badges all the time =E2=80=94 becaus= e I want to know >> what their name is and, often, what their company is. If I can also >> see that =E2=80=9Chey this person is the SEC AD=E2=80=9D that=E2=80= =99s actually *better* >> for me. >> >> I=E2=80=99m trying to challenge the mindset of =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=99v= e always done it this >> way and had a good reason at the time=E2=80=9D. >> >> =E2=80=94 Justin >> >> > On Jul 27, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Salz, Rich > > wrote: >> > >> >> "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers, >> >> whereas "People with coloured dots are knowledgeable and can answ= er >> >> questions" is an easy message. >> >> >> >> But there are too many colours now (8 plus the smiley face). See >> slide 16 at >> >> https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/tutorials/newcomers.html >> > >> > Yes, way way way too many. >> > >> > Perhaps one dot that can be seen at more distance, and then text >> when you get close enough to read their name. >> >> >> --001a113aad42b9836c05389ee5e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Loa,

A couple years ago,=C2=A0 we started giving NomCom large but= tons because the dots weren't sufficiently clear.=C2=A0 I'd be
interested in what impact that has had.

I wouldn't personally try to engineer-on-the-fly what th= e badges should look like, but see what is practically possible & usefu= l.=C2=A0 For instance, ribbons off a badge are common in many contexts.

There is a question of perceived modesty about the roles hel= d, but that can interfere with folks finding the person needed for their co= nversation.

Regards,
Alia


On Jul 27, 2016 1= 0:22 AM, "Loa Andersson" <loa@pi.= nu> wrote:
Fo= lks,

I don't think "dots" are broken, so why try to mend it. If yo= u suggest
a real improvement I will gladly support that. But printing "roles&quo= t; on
an already crowded badge possibly not the right thing to do.

Print the IESG, IAB, IAOC and NomCom badges on different colored paper
could be worth thinking about, and just "dot" the rest of the pos= itions.

/Loa

On 2016-07-27 16:03, Alia Atlas wrote:
Justin,

Regardless of where we end up on this detail - and ribbons off the
bottom seems useful to me, I'm greatly heartened by the efforts to
challenge the mindset of "we've always done things this way" = and ask
what is better & useful going forward.

Regards,
Alia


On Jul 27, 2016 8:59 AM, "Justin Richer" <jricher@mit.edu
<mailto:jricher@mit= .edu>> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I honestly don=E2=80=99t buy the =E2=80=9Cdots are recognizab= le at a distance=E2=80=9D
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 argument because I, personally, have never used that. Yes, I = can see
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the dot in the distance. But what color dot was I supposed to= look
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 for? I don=E2=80=99t want to blunder up to someone with the = =E2=80=9Cwrong=E2=80=9D dot
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 color, but maybe that=E2=80=99s just me. If that=E2=80=99s re= ally what we want, then
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I say we get rid of the dots and do what every other conferen= ce does
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=94 use the little flags that hang off the bottom of th= e badge.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 They=E2=80=99re large, colorful, and they explain (in text) w= hat it actually
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 means. I was at OSCON this year and they even had tags you co= uld
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 fill in with a sharpie, which we could use to mark WG Chairs = and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 things like that.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Also, a serious question: why on earth do we think it=E2=80= =99s rude to read
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 people=E2=80=99s badges? Isn=E2=80=99t that the purpose of th= e badge? If we feel
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 like we don=E2=80=99t want people to read them, then I say we= get rid of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 badges altogether so as to avoid the temptation to be =E2=80= =9Crude=E2=80=9D and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 read text that=E2=80=99s put on public display like that. :) = Seriously
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 though, I read people=E2=80=99s badges all the time =E2=80=94= because I want to know
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 what their name is and, often, what their company is. If I ca= n also
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 see that =E2=80=9Chey this person is the SEC AD=E2=80=9D that= =E2=80=99s actually *better*
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 for me.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m trying to challenge the mindset of =E2=80=9Cwe=E2= =80=99ve always done it this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 way and had a good reason at the time=E2=80=9D.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=E2=80=94 Justin

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > On Jul 27, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <mailto:rsalz@akamai.com>> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obsc= ure to many newcomers,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> whereas "People with coloured dots are knowledg= eable and can answer
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> questions" is an easy message.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> But there are too many colours now (8 plus the smile= y face). See
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 slide 16 at
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> https://www.ietf.org/= meeting/96/tutorials/newcomers.html
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Yes, way way way too many.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Perhaps one dot that can be seen at more distance, and t= hen text
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 when you get close enough to read their name.


--001a113aad42b9836c05389ee5e2-- From nobody Wed Jul 27 07:54:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240AC12D7E9; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 725CHM4MgIZh; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 226D112D7F1; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 07:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.14] (cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u6REs4bJ083986 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:54:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22] claimed to be [10.0.1.14] From: "Ben Campbell" To: "Alia Atlas" Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:54:04 -0500 Message-ID: <0A84CC66-3A51-42AB-BDD5-A5BDDF1C2883@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> <3db480a7d34e4584b190589536427f39@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> <0070234B-9B4A-4EF0-87D2-97ACA1187161@mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5234) Archived-At: Cc: "wgchairs@ietf.org" , Justin Richer , IAB , mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, EDU Team , Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s__Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:54:17 -0000 There are several interesting ideas on this thread so far, and I don't want to detract from them. But we should remember that many (or most) of these would involve additional work for the Secretariat and/or tools changes. That doesn't mean we should not pursue them; we just need to consider the cost as well as the benefit. Ben. On 27 Jul 2016, at 9:03, Alia Atlas wrote: > Justin, > > Regardless of where we end up on this detail - and ribbons off the > bottom > seems useful to me, I'm greatly heartened by the efforts to challenge > the > mindset of "we've always done things this way" and ask what is better > & > useful going forward. > > Regards, > Alia > > On Jul 27, 2016 8:59 AM, "Justin Richer" wrote: > > I honestly don’t buy the “dots are recognizable at a distance” > argument > because I, personally, have never used that. Yes, I can see the dot in > the > distance. But what color dot was I supposed to look for? I don’t > want to > blunder up to someone with the “wrong” dot color, but maybe > that’s just me. > If that’s really what we want, then I say we get rid of the dots and > do > what every other conference does — use the little flags that hang > off the > bottom of the badge. They’re large, colorful, and they explain (in > text) > what it actually means. I was at OSCON this year and they even had > tags you > could fill in with a sharpie, which we could use to mark WG Chairs and > things like that. > > Also, a serious question: why on earth do we think it’s rude to read > people’s badges? Isn’t that the purpose of the badge? If we feel > like we > don’t want people to read them, then I say we get rid of badges > altogether > so as to avoid the temptation to be “rude” and read text that’s > put on > public display like that. :) Seriously though, I read people’s > badges all > the time — because I want to know what their name is and, often, > what their > company is. If I can also see that “hey this person is the SEC AD” > that’s > actually *better* for me. > > I’m trying to challenge the mindset of “we’ve always done it > this way and > had a good reason at the time”. > > — Justin > >> On Jul 27, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: >> >>> "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers, >>> whereas "People with coloured dots are knowledgeable and can answer >>> questions" is an easy message. >>> >>> But there are too many colours now (8 plus the smiley face). See >>> slide > 16 at >>> https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/tutorials/newcomers.html >> >> Yes, way way way too many. >> >> Perhaps one dot that can be seen at more distance, and then text when >> you > get close enough to read their name. From nobody Wed Jul 27 09:17:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB8112D567; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:17:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.189 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.189 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oeZJYZQDmLj6; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1859112D12E; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0822E1E320; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:18:32 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Ben Campbell Message-ID: <20160727161832.GB17404@pfrc.org> References: <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> <3db480a7d34e4584b190589536427f39@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> <0070234B-9B4A-4EF0-87D2-97ACA1187161@mit.edu> <0A84CC66-3A51-42AB-BDD5-A5BDDF1C2883@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0A84CC66-3A51-42AB-BDD5-A5BDDF1C2883@nostrum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Cc: "wgchairs@ietf.org" , Alia Atlas , IAB , mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, EDU Team , Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:17:47 -0000 On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 09:54:04AM -0500, Ben Campbell wrote: > There are several interesting ideas on this thread so far, and I > don't want to detract from them. But we should remember that many > (or most) of these would involve additional work for the Secretariat > and/or tools changes. That doesn't mean we should not pursue them; > we just need to consider the cost as well as the benefit. FWIW, in spite of the joke about how ribbons can get out of control, I'm generally supportive about using colored ribbons complete with some form of textual expansion of what the color traditionally means. My reasoning: - Bigger band of color is somewhat more recognizable. - You don't have to guess what the color means. - We do have a few random color blind people. :-) I've also been a fan of the idea that we should develop icons for each of the associated dots, or areas of specialization within them. For example, it'd be nice to see a routing icon within a blue dot to let you know what the person is a chair in. -- Jeff From nobody Wed Jul 27 10:13:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F3412B04D; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:13:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fcc136LHzLSN; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACD2512D119; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C54F200A3; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4A2638BE; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:04:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "Mirja Kuehlewind \(IETF\)" In-Reply-To: <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: Ben Campbell , Karen O'Donoghue , WG Chairs , IAB , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s__Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:13:16 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain I believe that moving the newcomers meet and greet so that it is not concurrent with the reception would be an important change. Also I think it is important that other things before the greet be discourages (such as WG chair/AD hours), as they tend to go overtime. I don't know when to move it to, but that's my suggestion. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBV5jppYCLcPvd0N1lAQLnbwf/Uq/trHiCHBFN+vxt1BjYSvZ1k50ubtws NRFAk/n6FAkgbuwR/4BnAGp8euG6M/LrJ34pzEJGO5UA/glZOwQlgbW4JqXLmr7k FmPU/WtSV0QEmDV+YyvzDsOiFmjTeUmM/mldgFlfTB+5bLpQvNme30aRxeBSF+qc LxTDKSCRgueFsH6JDR4WHEBLTmQYBpahLks/k0rz9tk5eL1IkFPcEIYf1VKrITyW xZMxl4COQjVkM/xUQKXUq7FSJ6hiNoRqsJL9n1cXb7cshkUQOpIa47tEJRryxsXG VHCncIXi4VuEUdmpXyXa340CQ2WvNetXseFZ0T3RX+fFNDwIb9Ypbw== =h/U9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Jul 27 10:13:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B00E12B041 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:13:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.987 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.987 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcast.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yJqtoBZMjlyz for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F71212D11A for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resomta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.228]) by resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id SSFvbCkj2HqolSSFwbR6OC; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:04:28 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1469639068; bh=tr0LOB+bqSnNKhxbnu1N8BEdr6BaZvrEHMFuopAZfrc=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ko5Uys8l9OmFUNFKe9RJlkLBIZW67WXR9iZpu7ntAbnAlSfKLoaJ7FdHT6GE2arc8 IA1655kwxevBqK19UjCT295kJtSTyvakkqATjRh1+osfG7bmlVPlzbn8I2dV+c0NS+ ugBv/1/Kx274f1cYDYN28BHdMZIe6Czpfi5bGBDm1Zhb5AbfO8dsTbunqDQ6pUER1G N5XGPIbR251ITGtahghTW0B5JC0AwyAsHtqb/pDfaITLYCxoyZrnBiNvjyBipmzo/R XbFR3789Y4HNooM2yiK4qLws74IsX/DzVTffpsJloS/f98bUMLA82cjEUf3WuVX5jO TsE70lAgDhCdg== Received: from [IPv6:2601:148:c000:1951:ccd7:589d:2636:a1d] ([IPv6:2601:148:c000:1951:ccd7:589d:2636:a1d]) by comcast with SMTP id SSFubU9FuEFuXSSFvbW4HB; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:04:28 +0000 To: Brian E Carpenter , Andrew Sullivan , IAB , wgchairs@ietf.org, mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, edu-team@ietf.org References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> From: Michael StJohns Message-ID: <3ed895d4-93eb-4c3a-611f-314618c44de5@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:04:37 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfNutkap1l8bjxjcaI7mmOdNOa+3Ewm7u2vC97CIaF3MjTbgs9V6TH4pRYSXYn+znRFLQkolBLxNmV+vtEDIZDC+9yWMP7doefrSxt+VgJs6pWQHj80sm j5JZ0v7rPhYZQJHogIKeza8WbGdogHGc4QntOU6/PC+ypeYuuDx5JON9EirvH33s2iDSobFXi6OtwqEcFh15LQ3VauGUi5ae5XtQ26FVSes7FGfJgfXYYFr2 GNJc+JpjtIzzWBdy8KeerpL7QtW45Jm6jnwE1hykZ6H93WmDcRls1KBb3IuflJZIqoZZx6+4aeN4XggxzaEda1qYgCE1r18f0z5ByqlOfgV5EJPCEbIAiGZn k3l9Y2pY Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_In_defence_of_d?= =?utf-8?q?ots_=5BImproving_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experien?= =?utf-8?b?Y2Vd?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:13:17 -0000 Split the difference: Provid Provide a two color indications on the badge (probably a square - easier to fit stuff in it - especially for the multiple dot holders.) with printing inside identifying all roles. The two colors are "WG Chairs" and "Everyone else" as that's mostly where the newcomers are going to be confused. Before we get too far, keep in mind that the secretariat does the "dotting" and it appears to be a manual process currently. It may make sense if this can be automated somehow in the badge printing. Still have the separate smiley face icon though. Mike On 7/27/2016 1:42 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > (Repeating with all the cc's) > > Coloured dots are much easier to recognise at a distance, or without > peering rudely at someone's badge. So while I take the point that they > are obscure at first, they add value too. > > "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers, whereas > "People with coloured dots are knowledgeable and can answer questions" is > an easy message. > > But there are too many colours now (8 plus the smiley face). See slide 16 > at https://www.ietf.org/meeting/96/tutorials/newcomers.html > > Regards > Brian > > On 27/07/2016 16:33, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 05:23:19PM -0400, Justin Richer wrote: >>> I’ve been saying for ages that instead of the little dots we should just print on the badge the actual role. This can be inside a color coded circle if we want to reference tradition, but there’s no compelling reason to not put “IAB” instead of whatever-color the IAB dot is. >> I think this is a great idea. >> >> One of the things that has started to bother me even more this year >> than usual is the extent to which the IETF uses "appeal to tradition" >> as a premise in arguments as opposed to a way of refuting an argument. >> It's just not true that you should keep doing things in some way >> because it's always been that way, and the ability of the former >> monopoly telcos to believe that style of thinking got them to the >> leading position they have today. ;-) Let's adapt to our new technical >> powers, and print things on badges so that even newcomers can >> understand the sign, if not the signified. >> >> A >> >> > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team From nobody Wed Jul 27 10:27:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2549412D696; 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charset=utf-8 > On 27 Jul 2016, at 8:04 PM, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 >=20 > I believe that moving the newcomers meet and greet so that it is not > concurrent with the reception would be an important change. Done! = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/agenda.html#2016-07-16-080000 > Also I think it is important that other things before the greet be > discourages (such as WG chair/AD hours), as they tend to go overtime. Seems very reasonable, because you can=E2=80=99t count on people showing = up before the reception. Or even before Monday morning for that matter. > I don't know when to move it to, but that's my suggestion. In Berlin this could be done at 9:00 AM weekdays. Don=E2=80=99t know if = this experiment is going to continue. Yoav --Apple-Mail=_4279047B-EC46-424B-9A67-4ACE3F79FA74 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXmO7nAAoJECXR4BOacZZUCyAH/0qCuKnqbXZa3xr5f0Wm0BTj zyqVB3PvLYdkITBChEIHP/IFWhdljg/WEBWCpjHLtDPcuA2RfyrYe1aM5SQ5q7eh KZmIsMlBOLKwF0GqWM2d4X7V5q6HEVXJchgDmpKN65XNeg0TLQk+wEMJ7I5hqPbK n4wJrVcN054MlKymPcHEg34+whxLUK6CgUQt1449Pmwj02tOKzAAFjRJOxJhkWYw yb4Sp43qbfAeMfLC6ICGks7qtmaAcPDdKNtTn4+AE3AnI0IWLWjQJH/DWid1XjVH 58xWm5VXKBHu7NCArITHomKsKplXEzoJ9Vbf+jReiAyna9uxNFYG+T1OVcKdwDc= =6vN4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_4279047B-EC46-424B-9A67-4ACE3F79FA74-- From nobody Wed Jul 27 10:29:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A46612D0F9 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:29:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.987 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.987 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcast.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id or872mmPmysk for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:167]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFB6F12D728 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resomta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.234]) by resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id SSc1bIfl32dNjSSdxbO6xL; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:29:17 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1469640557; bh=Q1HsTV/miAVPCnikKyVqmlY84xafzAyWpVdxtRWUkB8=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=cKdYLxegfw+R5FH2585oNfs9S2DDpi7R3jqMo0jGAlt74QhrsTov329n0b0dTrrD2 yxaS/EybYzhnbSiv+1Z/qcMJshxF4Sw9+RC6H/T5u1lnkNHXT8jYm4EPScChNREJ2l 6tMIX4HoGX7t9LJGsn1g4vlNIPAlqrHASNNargrG+TeAXdGh6rcaN7b72p0O0zx55A bzYWdztPL/qc/ezEgdT95d2C09yFXHu03DOM74p7UaQpjjL7pU3WC+i9LT4UN2Idxl HzQcGHUUO+xnavQAkfW+oDIL3J1AVSmNbyr74c53atQFUZDsRcCAjPvTeled29fOTN fvL2V/Q1x4xwA== Received: from [IPv6:2601:148:c000:1951:ccd7:589d:2636:a1d] ([IPv6:2601:148:c000:1951:ccd7:589d:2636:a1d]) by comcast with SMTP id SSdtbmxaRkumdSSdubBkxF; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:29:15 +0000 To: Yoav Nir , Michael Richardson References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <2684.1469639081@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <03C22C35-D61F-4966-A88C-731EECDB4F26@gmail.com> From: Michael StJohns Message-ID: <9c14626c-39ce-fd0d-4d8b-e71dd2a8569a@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:29:24 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <03C22C35-D61F-4966-A88C-731EECDB4F26@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfBqs+SyQu2sQ/6J/e+AkS/WrUtkGQMCe8xVo2Bf3CIzPX4N5lwL+m45G+Ib2d/kduXtUF0QlE7iwyRHXKv9htiTYEJfo8s5VpTcW3RZlaq6OdcdcpXBA DX08v94H7qBdqtOdmWwhif/AOpeIzsrPPka4I0HFbpVFRBhHDl5Vg6xMD5/96rYN+toeQJZ1DyAjO/hzb7FjV15sqfGhq4xRYmK9CX/KGnKFvq9EVEXw+Jfz t6aJAfq8NuFTf2VOTMaCwF9ZN26q5kA5MKwQokp1dwUrE8+i3FSfCEvkBmfnsC6DPYtXc3zHBp3mBEL4++lR+ev3X0ck2utJa8QBNdVVJ3ujtauO3+GNk1lG jxoZf6n3lgvVbZM+mdnAa1VdSogzMJ4qQGkiak1IMx2TK8UGax4= Archived-At: Cc: Ben Campbell , WG Chairs , IAB , "Mirja Kuehlewind \(IETF\)" , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:29:19 -0000 On 7/27/2016 1:27 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: > In Berlin this could be done at 9:00 AM weekdays. Dont know if this experiment is going to continue. Drinking at 9AM on a weekday? Maybe not so much. From nobody Wed Jul 27 10:29:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EE712D69C; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:29:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.809 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.809 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0vZh9ZFvoBAt; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18D6F12D518; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:29:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3121; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469640577; x=1470850177; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=oo5x/yA9nnbMl+XOy2wEGPMW9YcOKDDqT5D2MBO3j24=; b=Zbjq8xrr7/dpqAEsoWuvY7ztYNVeq+kVcOf9SP4Dacf7VTYFefdlHyzq ueKYjloR6JgN47QSDDrcQScxQBXxFY/Lap1ZKlTNdG1p9ODfS9FNKkrhc we8iVMk9v1fKlWtnyusCzxRkAEyK9h7YmWmiaLhIdo3fW3UlCPDTvzuK3 Y=; X-Files: signature.asc : 481 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0APCACC7phX/xbLJq1dhD+7Q4YdAoFvE?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQFdJ4RdAQUjVhALDgoqAgJXBgEMCAEBiC2ucY1SAQEBAQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBEQ6IIoJVh0GCWgEEmTGDOoFwiVKJVYVrjC2DeDQgg3o6iHIBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,430,1464652800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="679294288" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 27 Jul 2016 17:29:35 +0000 Received: from [10.61.206.72] ([10.61.206.72]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6RHTY4G024114; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:29:34 GMT To: Andrew Sullivan , IAB References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> From: Eliot Lear Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 19:29:33 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Wc9o3ja8UiTtDATBGcHqX7odnltpXqwf7" Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5BIAB=5D_=5Bedu-team=5D_Impro?= =?utf-8?q?ving_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:29:39 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Wc9o3ja8UiTtDATBGcHqX7odnltpXqwf7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ufn6Rsi9rSVXsKC4PTgKqhQGpl9WEN4i2" From: Eliot Lear To: Andrew Sullivan , IAB Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[IAB]_[edu-team]_Improving_the_Newcomer=e2=80=99s_Mee?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_and_Greet_experience?= References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> In-Reply-To: <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> --ufn6Rsi9rSVXsKC4PTgKqhQGpl9WEN4i2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/27/16 6:22 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > Hi, > > On this: > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:40:36PM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: > >> I saw more groups of newcomers grouped together, not talking to old-ti= mers - >> I tried to approach those and get them to engage with different people= , but >> they really only wanted to talk to themselves. > Why is that a problem? I don't really care _how_ people link up and > start having positive experiences in the IETF context, as long as they > do. I'm not that valuable; if they find it better to talk amongst > themselves -- maybe they're plotting to end the IAB! -- then we've > provided a safe low-friction way for that to happen, no? > I don't think it's a problem, and I'm going to guess that Robert doesn't think so either, except in as much as they are overwhelmed and don't really know who to turn to other than each other. A polite "May I answer any questions you might have" should be sufficient in those circumstances... Eliot --ufn6Rsi9rSVXsKC4PTgKqhQGpl9WEN4i2-- --Wc9o3ja8UiTtDATBGcHqX7odnltpXqwf7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXmO9+AAoJEIe2a0bZ0noz6T0H/3emlhrVOc11nOB03Viuvxwi gYrC4RXzluwZ2+S0h35ZrIIrfP1T2EIaONPfEiWFQJ3bcobfaH7f+IyqJi/9GLZU Yc8VP01KLcyjtA0C2zTMngDwwMr9AZWw8eNUA7WkS+XT/uwVrZiTY3weXb9D2awt dWg/7wjxbcQcMRpH62auoSr59CzKFgf/xT7OxdKX07K/osfl++AQXGr6JFgHlAZd EjrT1U9AHuugYMWvMu2kJcsn7IU/ShL18aqhGK93RjW8//CZlqzYxCpYdo2Q7oHa iV0CT4d1Gm85RWT6Ux9FF5G3Hu7wm6wrgWJggnuXZ2toa0b7BT5h06HV8SVE4Xw= =Plb9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Wc9o3ja8UiTtDATBGcHqX7odnltpXqwf7-- From nobody Wed Jul 27 10:34:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9619212B054; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:33:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mzpokxcHQmHI; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA84712D518; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AE8200A3; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168D2638BE; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:33:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Alia Atlas In-Reply-To: References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> <3db480a7d34e4584b190589536427f39@usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com> <0070234B-9B4A-4EF0-87D2-97ACA1187161@mit.edu> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: "wgchairs@ietf.org" , IAB , mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, EDU Team , Brian E Carpenter , Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:33:57 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Alia Atlas wrote: > A couple years ago, we started giving NomCom large buttons because the > dots weren't sufficiently clear. I'd be > interested in what impact that has had. Very minimal, I think. Some didn't even want to wear them... -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBV5jwfoCLcPvd0N1lAQIR7wgAkwuYwwwqP6VegRgeWkfNEsb01WjdCN/C DzSQbUmVZJ9qYajRMSd86xgtrXA+jjBtitmaIOPoNg/hyhoTYD6L6gA3G/P8Kyvu zVlMa4Qwn7qbg76bs8Qa1sHmKR9aFQn1eabXgSTgZFwJh283NCnQ5qFVvuk18tbT dd5aZWPb4xLZByCSvia4gbU0hHP/ddr4T96BOyRnWBI2Zjmhj++8QN1Mwf2bsKdj fteGtK2kwWQcMZuhepShmw7sWwp8kAIzDPUbWE9kO/LcImJeezYJVAkdJrwzXgYC 2Vz76UXMU3DoXb9LHqmPnAxXjzIkAla9y1pJJctmaZjjSiUJhntSwA== =ey6y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Jul 27 10:43:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD66612D7B8; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:43:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g-wNmYXwHeF3; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D54B12D733; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A68200A3; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA2A638BE; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:34:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Yoav Nir In-Reply-To: <03C22C35-D61F-4966-A88C-731EECDB4F26@gmail.com> References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <2684.1469639081@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <03C22C35-D61F-4966-A88C-731EECDB4F26@gmail.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: Ben Campbell , WG Chairs , IAB , "Mirja Kuehlewind \(IETF\)" , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s__Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:43:18 -0000 Yoav Nir wrote: >> On 27 Jul 2016, at 8:04 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: >> >> >> I believe that moving the newcomers meet and greet so that it is not >> concurrent with the reception would be an important change. > Done! https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/agenda.html#2016-07-16= -080000 I mispoke. I meant, not adjacent. The movement from one to the other took significant time, eating into both. >> I don't know when to move it to, but that's my suggestion. > In Berlin this could be done at 9:00 AM weekdays. 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I wasn=E2=80=99t first in line for food at the reception, but I didn=E2=80= =99t feel I missed anything. Brian > On Jul 27, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 >=20 > Yoav Nir wrote: >=20 >>> On 27 Jul 2016, at 8:04 PM, Michael Richardson = wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I believe that moving the newcomers meet and greet so that it is not >>> concurrent with the reception would be an important change. >=20 >> Done! = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/agenda.html#2016-07-16-080000 >=20 > I mispoke. I meant, not adjacent. > The movement from one to the other took significant time, eating into = both. >=20 >>> I don't know when to move it to, but that's my suggestion. >=20 >> In Berlin this could be done at 9:00 AM weekdays. Don=E2=80=99t know = if this >> experiment is going to continue. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh = networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network = architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on = rails [ >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 27 13:43:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F1B12DCAD; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:43:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f3Jy2Br7TIeg; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4451E12D90B; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local ([173.57.161.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u6RKhZ66014766 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:43:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [173.57.161.14] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: Andrew Sullivan , IAB References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:43:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5BIAB=5D_=5Bedu-team=5D_Impro?= =?utf-8?q?ving_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:43:50 -0000 On 7/26/16 11:22 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > Hi, > > On this: > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:40:36PM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: > >> I saw more groups of newcomers grouped together, not talking to old-timers - >> I tried to approach those and get them to engage with different people, but >> they really only wanted to talk to themselves. > Why is that a problem? I don't really care _how_ people link up and > start having positive experiences in the IETF context, as long as they > do. I'm not that valuable; if they find it better to talk amongst > themselves -- maybe they're plotting to end the IAB! -- then we've > provided a safe low-friction way for that to happen, no? You are assuming that they were new to each other - they weren't. They were folks that knew each other before coming to this meeting (co-workers mostly). It was the dual of the "clump of working group chairs" phenomenon we've seen at earlier events. We already have a function where people who already know each other can group up and have conversations. If these clumps are ok, do away with a separate meet-and-greet and just make the reception longer. (I'm not recommending that.) > > A > From nobody Wed Jul 27 14:42:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A4412D956; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:42:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rSvDkg_8Bvxz; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C6F412D94C; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63066200A3; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800D2638BE; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:42:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IAB , EDU Team , Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5BIAB=5D_=5Bedu-team=5D_Impro?= =?utf-8?q?ving_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 21:42:31 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Robert Sparks wrote: > You are assuming that they were new to each other - they weren't. > They were folks that knew each other before coming to this meeting > (co-workers mostly). > It was the dual of the "clump of working group chairs" phenomenon we've seen > at earlier events. Yes. WG chairs must practice being distant to each other ;-) One reason, perhaps to move the newcomers to another time is so that WG chairs can meet and greet and catch up beforehand? > We already have a function where people who already know each other can group > up and have conversations. > If these clumps are ok, do away with a separate meet-and-greet and just make > the reception longer. (I'm not recommending that.) The clumps are not okay. re: Adjacent, it was not just that we had to get to the reception, but that we had to get *to* the newcomers... and it was way crowded. I think it was London where the newcomers meet was in a room adjacent to the reception, and the wall simply disappeared... That was very good way to do things. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBV5kqwICLcPvd0N1lAQLoVAf8DMZl6orix6JlRV5bRBGKpwf4NxY2oVcx gIT3okzUR/0KJ7xKVZOOu1faGUFTQg0x/TlFEabwf7B5zxuehYAu2zaS2eLuKuVb hcTtO1RVqGt3mOqAsf/aX3Plaz44+yuctTpH4AnHyFEeOj//FEaJQ2hzNIeP0VUE s3VjlccvtNhNcTowXv9uCN5SmUMINPuQNf84qEUQrY8NqBwdU/+rMPiqsUqpmZqL sLqct6zmssHXRO1gzJGeaMcSsGjBPqhoE+IM0DeLnhwrGuMEe6dcw1tbWXmVkOPI SKMFlwvOhEz944Fuceawp33mZFRkX3q/8IsvSIwg6bdX+KlPvZ9+IA== =8uTv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Jul 27 20:10:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CC612DBCE for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:10:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=krose.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o8i2PsEonBQg for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x229.google.com (mail-qt0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59F8012DBC0 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x229.google.com with SMTP id x25so41345649qtx.2 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:10:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=krose.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IwpYlPxGhnrv0oCK28sd0Qaomsa6XRnQcU48wK7oMjQ=; b=ZQSkGn4zMMMhqVS1cwNRT43VVNEY+Qv8kmwcWuZso9OoT8TiisBh7YyaYJ6k+TQKQM MUQK3Dt3YJMkmWouAj4vQIlJHOT5av5G4URWhYSIyhBoKInRWeAug27IMMgKIwCVnliD Dbdi0cPzDqRKJWtMKFNW4fTRHAAR444V4o5GE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IwpYlPxGhnrv0oCK28sd0Qaomsa6XRnQcU48wK7oMjQ=; b=iPYM/3MO+ksKJI808hK95Z0nSuSUPlAMs2OWZ0z1PSwWPZfWZhjaXT/e93C65BWAZc t/mv7YxScJJSsG8vcxdEc49osJT6PLaD6Va6JxZX81D1J+WpepSAkjvX3f5EZeaiHGFP nZkDxPzE7u9h6/+lsOjGRT3uMXrBxRByi3zKatUWMqhevvsbr4YuuN0gkUIvIQbfWN5+ xhR7JfO3wYAK27TMnVolLVNSlFpdphH3dCWPgC1xumrL6sZaNnPMdI5psbnSqy4o8oqo RgibosTBT617MSHBqzVosTnFmZlJ4ikNrU8DLIZWLk2WMYP/mLNMZuR9Bam5Qq0FVWrg 8LvQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvopBZfkjz7226rDBlzQc3y0N+cHu19W1N4/tIbjW6FxZ6x+eAEAG48jZMREPJ2Mgz5/95zc8quET9OiA== X-Received: by 10.237.45.34 with SMTP id h31mr54732591qtd.101.1469675413407; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:10:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.55.94.70 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:10:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:470:1f07:121:d9bc:c78b:f3a4:8a5d] In-Reply-To: References: From: Kyle Rose Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 23:10:12 -0400 Message-ID: To: Benoit Claise Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c124b32f3a2360538a9782a Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IAB , EDU Team , IESG IESG Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?Improving_the_Newcomer?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 03:10:17 -0000 --94eb2c124b32f3a2360538a9782a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a number of interesting, and hopefully useful, conversations with newcomers over at the transport area. I made an effort to introduce myself to newcomers, to learn about what they are interested in, and to try to then introduce them to veterans I know who are working in the same areas. I didn't have much opportunity for follow-up, but I hope it was helpful. Kyle On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members, > > The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the newcomers > experience at the IETF. > Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session, we observed = that the > relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high compare= d > to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating situations > for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up with WG > chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves. > > Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the number of > newcomers. > First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer=E2=80=99s M= eet and > Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend the > Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session. > Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend their > first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings (*) > > Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members discussing among > themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session", we unde= rstand > that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each others during th= e > week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues and solve > the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, let's not > forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all be proactive in > welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags on their > badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate persons. W= e > count on you. > > There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs saying t= o > their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomer=E2=80=99s M= eet and > Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them. > > Regards, Benoit > > > (*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system itself, > because the system was already open when this was decided. The change wil= l > be reflected in the IETF 97 system language. However we are going to > manually =E2=80=94 and very soon =E2=80=94 pull this information from the= registration > history and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended less than > five meetings. > > --94eb2c124b32f3a2360538a9782a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had a number of interesting, and hopefully useful, = conversations with newcomers over at the transport area. I made an effort t= o introduce myself to newcomers, to learn about what they are interested in= , and to try to then introduce them to veterans I know who are working in t= he same areas. I didn't have much opportunity for follow-up, but I hope= it was helpful.

Kyle


On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, = Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members,

The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the newcomers exper= ience at the IETF.
Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session, we observed th= at the relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high co= mpared to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating situa= tions for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up with W= G chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves.

Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the number of n= ewcomers.
First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Mee= t and Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend the= Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session.
Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend their first= meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings (*)

Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members discussing am= ong themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session", = we understand that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each othe= rs during the week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagu= es and solve the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, = let's not forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all be= proactive in welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red ta= gs on their badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate = persons. We count on you.

There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs saying to = their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Mee= t and Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them.
Regards, Benoit


(*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system itself, be= cause the system was already open when this was decided. The change will be= reflected in the IETF 97 system language.=C2=A0 However we are going to ma= nually =E2=80=94 and very soon =E2=80=94 pull this information from the reg= istration history and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended les= s than five meetings.


--94eb2c124b32f3a2360538a9782a-- From nobody Wed Jul 27 20:56:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BB312D1A2; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:56:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q0tn4VxV-qCu; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.yitter.info (mx2.yitter.info [50.116.54.116]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E7F12B04B; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3F210D88; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 03:56:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at crankycanuck.ca Received: from mx2.yitter.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.yitter.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3J4Qt-39KXMH; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 03:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx2.yitter.info (192-0-220-231.cpe.teksavvy.com [192.0.220.231]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 00C2810D4B; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 03:56:17 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 23:56:16 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <20160728035615.GI1218@mx2.yitter.info> References: <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, IAB , edu-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 03:56:21 -0000 On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 05:42:45PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > Coloured dots are much easier to recognise at a distance, or without > peering rudely at someone's badge. So while I take the point that they > are obscure at first, they add value too. If you have the full colour spectrum available to you, this may be true. I've got a red-green deficiency, and I confess that the dot colours are sometimes hard for me. So we fail on accessibility grounds, too. > "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers Sure, but it's only one layer of indirection. You seem to be arguing that a single level for newcomers is made better by adding another level of obscurity. I haven't don't a study, but I'm fairly willing to offer the hypothesis that it's not thus made better. > "People with coloured dots are knowledgeable and can answer questions" is > an easy message. Then we should give the knowledgeable and loquacious all a single coloured dot. One wag has suggested gray, but I think any colour would do, and just one for everyone. It'd also be an opportunity to explain those cryptic initials on the badge. 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([2406:e007:5502:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e72sm13252309pfb.49.2016.07.27.22.43.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Jul 2016 22:43:34 -0700 (PDT) To: Andrew Sullivan References: <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> <20160728035615.GI1218@mx2.yitter.info> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:43:38 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160728035615.GI1218@mx2.yitter.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, IAB , edu-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 05:43:39 -0000 Andrew, On 28/07/2016 15:56, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 05:42:45PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> >> Coloured dots are much easier to recognise at a distance, or without >> peering rudely at someone's badge. So while I take the point that they >> are obscure at first, they add value too. > > If you have the full colour spectrum available to you, this may be > true. I've got a red-green deficiency, and I confess that the dot > colours are sometimes hard for me. So we fail on accessibility > grounds, too. Point taken, and anyway with 8 colours in use nobody can keep track. One bright colour plus acronym(s) would perhaps be better. And the smiley face for those of us with no acronyms. >> "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers > > Sure, but it's only one layer of indirection. You seem to be arguing > that a single level for newcomers is made better by adding another > level of obscurity. I haven't don't a study, but I'm fairly willing > to offer the hypothesis that it's not thus made better. > >> "People with coloured dots are knowledgeable and can answer questions" is >> an easy message. > > Then we should give the knowledgeable and loquacious all a single > coloured dot. One wag has suggested gray, but I think any colour > would do, and just one for everyone. It'd also be an opportunity to > explain those cryptic initials on the badge. Yes. 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Same for =E2=80=9CInternet Engineering Steering = Group=E2=80=9D, although =E2=80=9CArea Director=E2=80=9D is somewhat = better. Yoav From nobody Thu Jul 28 05:22:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E94E12DE41; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 05:22:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j70h5mxKc0t5; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 05:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.kivinen.iki.fi (fireball.acr.fi [83.145.195.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C07012DD59; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 05:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fireball.acr.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kivinen.iki.fi (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u6SCM4Mu021262 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:22:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from kivinen@localhost) by fireball.acr.fi (8.15.2/8.14.8/Submit) id u6SCM3DI003417; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:22:03 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <22425.63723.401840.460651@fireball.acr.fi> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:22:03 +0300 From: Tero Kivinen To: Andrew Sullivan In-Reply-To: <20160728035615.GI1218@mx2.yitter.info> References: <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> <20160728035615.GI1218@mx2.yitter.info> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 24.5.1 (x86_64--netbsd) X-Edit-Time: 9 min X-Total-Time: 9 min Archived-At: Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, IAB , edu-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s__Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:22:13 -0000 Andrew Sullivan writes: > > "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers > > Sure, but it's only one layer of indirection. You seem to be arguing > that a single level for newcomers is made better by adding another > level of obscurity. I haven't don't a study, but I'm fairly willing > to offer the hypothesis that it's not thus made better. I have long time trying to propose that we add text inside the colored circles, so we do not need to get rid of our existing usage, but we would add more information. I.e. change the WG-chair cicle to blue rectangle with rounded corners, and add WG-acronym in it with white letters. If person chairs multiple WGs add more lines / more rectangles. The reason for changing shape to rectangles with rounded corners is that WG-acronyms are longer, and this way the text size can still be readable. For the IAB just use the same color dot we have now (whatever it was, I have been in IETF only for 20 years, and I still cannot remember which one is red and which is yellow), and put letters IAB in it. For area directors use same color again than before and just put area acronym in it. For other dots there could be similar kind of acronyms in it, which will make it easier to search from the ietf web site what the dot means. -- kivinen@iki.fi From nobody Thu Jul 28 05:57:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9424C12DFCF; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 05:57:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.809 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.809 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SuK1qtIID1tf; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 05:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B146512D67C; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 05:57:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4041; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469710650; x=1470920250; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=m9ChZwTPig7XFhIjQ+ulVnrkqSmRI6A13wBfqgxIiIo=; b=ZqKmjVHp+pXhmEkBlwqx9r5uE1q4UVq1+UuZWKApXJGwqx6ULvdh/lMp Wiqq+1F4uMrwYYyOf6IIahJQx0e6Xo5CXmBsoIGCQhbRlFlAsSSyj81c2 Ve3ubd0anW0myQMwckn4UpnzFefFww3D6Qlv5J8Hsv+32qSZn3xWkJNyi Q=; X-Files: signature.asc : 481 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0B5CwCuAJpX/xbLJq1dhEVSum+CZoM3A?= =?us-ascii?q?oFwEAEBAQEBAQFdJ4RdAQUjVhAjKgICVwYBDAYCAQGILa4ljU0BAQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBAQEBEA6IIgiGbYMhgloBBJkygzqBcIlTiVOFbJAmNR+DfDoyiHcBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,434,1464652800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="679469177" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 28 Jul 2016 12:57:27 +0000 Received: from [10.61.218.103] ([10.61.218.103]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6SCvRSo027280; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:57:27 GMT To: Michael Richardson , Robert Sparks References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> <32525.1469655747@obiwan.sandelman.ca> From: Eliot Lear Message-ID: <6c5efd7b-7653-5550-4b57-4c4804c7212e@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:57:28 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <32525.1469655747@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M6fSGe1jX7Nc2tALA0RukrHSflHHSdaNE" Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IAB , EDU Team Subject: [Mentoring-coordinators] Here's something to try (was: an extremely long thread on Newcomers) X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:57:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --M6fSGe1jX7Nc2tALA0RukrHSflHHSdaNE Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="sJBPgFVpahfNRILbsxLc6m24ognj5mDtr" From: Eliot Lear To: Michael Richardson , Robert Sparks Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IAB , EDU Team Message-ID: <6c5efd7b-7653-5550-4b57-4c4804c7212e@cisco.com> Subject: Here's something to try (was: an extremely long thread on Newcomers) References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> <32525.1469655747@obiwan.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <32525.1469655747@obiwan.sandelman.ca> --sJBPgFVpahfNRILbsxLc6m24ognj5mDtr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In thinking about this clumping business, I'm also thinking about overwhelming newcomers. One approach to avoiding that is a *light* structure. Now there already is a light structure at the reception (areas and stickers). One further step would be for each AD to give a lightning talk (2 mins) about what is happening in his or her area and to invite people to come and ask questions. Maybe that will help people organize their thinking just a bit more. Eliot On 7/27/16 11:42 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > Robert Sparks wrote: > > You are assuming that they were new to each other - they weren't.= > > They were folks that knew each other before coming to this meetin= g > > (co-workers mostly). > > It was the dual of the "clump of working group chairs" phenomenon= we've seen > > at earlier events. > > Yes. WG chairs must practice being distant to each other ;-) > > One reason, perhaps to move the newcomers to another time is so that WG= > chairs can meet and greet and catch up beforehand? > > > We already have a function where people who already know each oth= er can group > > up and have conversations. > > If these clumps are ok, do away with a separate meet-and-greet an= d just make > > the reception longer. (I'm not recommending that.) > > The clumps are not okay. > re: Adjacent, it was not just that we had to get to the reception, but = that > we had to get *to* the newcomers... and it was way crowded. > > I think it was London where the newcomers meet was in a room adjacent t= o the > reception, and the wall simply disappeared... That was very good way to= do > things. > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- > > > --sJBPgFVpahfNRILbsxLc6m24ognj5mDtr-- --M6fSGe1jX7Nc2tALA0RukrHSflHHSdaNE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXmgE4AAoJEIe2a0bZ0nozqRQH/2+LKZNRC2C1PLjAHvsgy7+s OAg0Lp8A5LkqdAVbm/BzVBUYqs0MSgqYXZM4E2gS4Xw5WLNIom2v3jZs3EZcJvAY AW7vLXbHu3t4CTQlTq0YtfK7/o1bAftRaf44IVHdFU5AuNuVVhLM6S0gYNMxBoFV gsDr3xX6dH9zHzxRpMm8i5eDVPwLbZD/FIhr9PbffbWMNA00L/riPHhepbP004km 02MOR9Jki6atXMTX3kpg+Qdj2JwqXz5gEE5ZqAyhBZSrJ0PEFysZF0DWYx9MBcwk TVh0RlRmTHQcQ+g0lhrTaax61eFUOpbHAIWsYROGxTjuxu0Gpyy1zaMCKqz4IhM= =X6IH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M6fSGe1jX7Nc2tALA0RukrHSflHHSdaNE-- From nobody Thu Jul 28 06:04:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043D812D09D for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 06:04:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yahoo.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mYkL0bpFFtdy for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 06:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 991F512D6B3 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 06:04:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1469711043; bh=7MMYCx/bTFRzTo9AE4KcZ5dwnFihzxozJDzuqafZHBI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=Rv6E6mjaK7a91A3pqZ1GkVNwQpJdJCd/gXZ0WHiM/GLgUgPUWEJWOnUCQktFYTXXt6/LXFETa+9LvF/+CL0lP0TpMnRtpkfB3YBLOV3Ly0VD4ztuC2s4eXbqhWE7wbY0qxkxbHmNiHhyGBoliarQZolwHoadAOfiPtI03NECW3ic8eDmG6QQefwFvZqzLtMxGTAeG+5qgByqA6K8/blOka0hGescVV5D2PEdsfxq12PoR3R+NmudgDS1aUwrRDQ7Xv15neZ1kgqa1NzXXj7oa6B6RcEYOc9IQKaUWTENfFzwe/KDwiwPRyFcN+gTpoOw1aZsGDG/JvI1zthx2dNx6A== Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2016 13:04:03 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.239] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2016 13:04:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2016 13:04:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 806858.79622.bm@omp1039.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: O4DqUZsVM1lOqVvmH.fCsi7bnUKGwscgqQmwb.0wRKHsobiU3cawnKONMrxnTVD jHERNDtgjfVx0RBNoWmkoMEW0mB61FETwlMASFa7MrSiltciKR8ueSoztvOEPOVxqzCQFNuTfafq xcom0hqFl4NSAdfPUQ0kTMrdLqQa42TWT7v2JKeF9_VxnybtAkP0udWs1xgeOpeAoz_aUofY_fBH d8C5.yKBD9DMFYiLLZ3ji8.cX.TWVyfS1pI.cLr6H7sYQgs3R4l_p7vIb78U6sjaL6O.XPojhKO. 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I really like that idea a lot. =C2=A0 I have heard comments from newcomers = in the Mentee feedback sessions that we hold to this very effect. =C2=A0 I = am glad you brought that up, Eliot. I have heard from them that they would like WG chairs to also do this but t= hen we have a VERY long session. =C2=A0 I think an overview of each WG and = area would go a long way towards helping newcomers. =C2=A0The structure is = quite confusing for new people. But I think this needs to be done before the Meet and Greet in a quiet room= .=C2=A0 Nalini On 7/27/16 11:42 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > Robert Sparks wrote: >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > You are assuming that they were new to each other - they w= eren't. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > They were folks that knew each other before coming to this= meeting >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > (co-workers mostly). >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > It was the dual of the "clump of working group chairs" phe= nomenon we've seen >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > at earlier events. > > Yes.=C2=A0 WG chairs must practice being distant to each other ;-) > > One reason, perhaps to move the newcomers to another time is so that WG > chairs can meet and greet and catch up beforehand? > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > We already have a function where people who already know e= ach other can group >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > up and have conversations. >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > If these clumps are ok, do away with a separate meet-and-g= reet and just make >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > the reception longer. (I'm not recommending that.) > > The clumps are not okay. > re: Adjacent, it was not just that we had to get to the reception, but th= at >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 we had to get *to* the newcomers... and it was way crowded. > > I think it was London where the newcomers meet was in a room adjacent to = the > reception, and the wall simply disappeared... That was very good way to d= o > things. > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works >=C2=A0 -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- > > > _______________________________________________ mentoring-coordinators mailing list mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mentoring-coordinators ------=_Part_5802115_594761661.1469711042337 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


>In thinking about this clumping business, I'm also th= inking about
>overwhelming newcomers.  One approa= ch to avoiding that is a *light*
>structure.  Now= there already is a light structure at the reception
>= (areas and stickers).  One further step would be for each AD to give a=
>lightning talk  (2 mins) about what is happenin= g in his or her area and
>to invite people to come and= ask questions.  Maybe that will help people
>org= anize their thinking just a bit more.

I really= like that idea a lot.   I have heard comments from newcomers in the M= entee feedback sessions that we hold to this very effect.   I am glad = you brought that up, Eliot.

I have= heard from them that they would like WG chairs to also do this but then we= have a VERY long session.   I think an overview of each WG and area w= ould go a long way towards helping newcomers.  The structure is quite = confusing for new people.

But I th= ink this needs to be done before the Meet and Greet in a quiet room.
<= div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1469677432643_32823">=  
Nalini

On 7/27/16 11:42 PM, Michael Richa= rdson wrote:
> Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wr= ote:
>    > You are assuming that they w= ere new to each other - they weren't.
>    = > They were folks that knew each other before coming to this meeting
>    > (co-workers mostly).
>    > It was the dual of the "clump of working group c= hairs" phenomenon we've seen
>    > at e= arlier events.
>
> Yes.  WG = chairs must practice being distant to each other ;-)
>=
> One reason, perhaps to move the newcomers to anothe= r time is so that WG
> chairs can meet and greet and c= atch up beforehand?
>
>  &nb= sp; > We already have a function where people who already know each oth= er can group
>    > up and have conversa= tions.
>    > If these clumps are ok, do= away with a separate meet-and-greet and just make
>&n= bsp;   > the reception longer. (I'm not recommending that.)
>
> The clumps are not okay.
> re: Adjacent, it was not just that we had to get to the rece= ption, but that
>    we had to get *to* the= newcomers... and it was way crowded.
>
> I think it was London where the newcomers meet was in a room adjac= ent to the
> reception, and the wall simply disappeare= d... That was very good way to do
> things.
>
> --
> Michael Ric= hardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software= Works
>  -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-
>
>
>


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------=_Part_5802115_594761661.1469711042337-- From nobody Thu Jul 28 06:58:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B8E12D759; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 06:58:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IWKuVCyyR_ls; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 06:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29B7612D758; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 06:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 388A418013E2; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:57:59 +0200 (CEST) To: Eliot Lear , Michael Richardson , Robert Sparks References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> <32525.1469655747@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <6c5efd7b-7653-5550-4b57-4c4804c7212e@cisco.com> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <61f90dcf-2e84-2cf6-547e-bf30cba97ddf@pi.nu> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:57:49 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6c5efd7b-7653-5550-4b57-4c4804c7212e@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IAB , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Here's something to try X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:58:04 -0000 Elliot, On 2016-07-28 14:57, Eliot Lear wrote: > In thinking about this clumping business, I'm also thinking about > overwhelming newcomers. One approach to avoiding that is a *light* > structure. Now there already is a light structure at the reception > (areas and stickers). One further step would be for each AD to give a > lightning talk (2 mins) about what is happening in his or her area and > to invite people to come and ask questions. Maybe that will help people > organize their thinking just a bit more. So given that all speaker draw of 30 sec and that the change from one AD to another takes 30 sec, and we have 17 ADs, that is 51 min out of the hour, right? /Loa > > Eliot > > > On 7/27/16 11:42 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: >> Robert Sparks wrote: >> > You are assuming that they were new to each other - they weren't. >> > They were folks that knew each other before coming to this meeting >> > (co-workers mostly). >> > It was the dual of the "clump of working group chairs" phenomenon we've seen >> > at earlier events. >> >> Yes. WG chairs must practice being distant to each other ;-) >> >> One reason, perhaps to move the newcomers to another time is so that WG >> chairs can meet and greet and catch up beforehand? >> >> > We already have a function where people who already know each other can group >> > up and have conversations. >> > If these clumps are ok, do away with a separate meet-and-greet and just make >> > the reception longer. (I'm not recommending that.) >> >> The clumps are not okay. >> re: Adjacent, it was not just that we had to get to the reception, but that >> we had to get *to* the newcomers... and it was way crowded. >> >> I think it was London where the newcomers meet was in a room adjacent to the >> reception, and the wall simply disappeared... That was very good way to do >> things. >> >> -- >> Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works >> -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- >> >> >> > > From nobody Thu Jul 28 07:00:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E9D12B00D; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 07:00:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.809 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.809 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8H6G8cOeimSH; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <61f90dcf-2e84-2cf6-547e-bf30cba97ddf@pi.nu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0hOd9OsWDJfCQigfSLMUaLvcMqqCD4VMT" Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IAB , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Here's something to try X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:00:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --0hOd9OsWDJfCQigfSLMUaLvcMqqCD4VMT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="hGAf0pjXOiqoCJlloeQuIfJUKmIQtRWlk" From: Eliot Lear To: Loa Andersson , Michael Richardson , Robert Sparks Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IAB , EDU Team Message-ID: <41a0f8da-cd4c-e01b-6dec-d92d0c172ec0@cisco.com> Subject: Re: Here's something to try References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> <32525.1469655747@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <6c5efd7b-7653-5550-4b57-4c4804c7212e@cisco.com> <61f90dcf-2e84-2cf6-547e-bf30cba97ddf@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <61f90dcf-2e84-2cf6-547e-bf30cba97ddf@pi.nu> --hGAf0pjXOiqoCJlloeQuIfJUKmIQtRWlk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loa, On 7/28/16 3:57 PM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Elliot, > > On 2016-07-28 14:57, Eliot Lear wrote: >> In thinking about this clumping business, I'm also thinking about >> overwhelming newcomers. One approach to avoiding that is a *light* >> structure. Now there already is a light structure at the reception >> (areas and stickers). One further step would be for each AD to give a= >> lightning talk (2 mins) about what is happening in his or her area an= d >> to invite people to come and ask questions. Maybe that will help peop= le >> organize their thinking just a bit more. > > So given that all speaker draw of 30 sec and that the change from one A= D > to another takes 30 sec, and we have 17 ADs, that is 51 min out of the > hour, right? Keep it to one per area, 2 mins. 12 minutes. Really 10, since nothing much happens in General. And no, it doesn't have to take one minute to move from one speaker to another. 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IAB , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Here's something to try X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:30:17 -0000 PiAtLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KPiBGcm9tOiBXR0NoYWlycyBbbWFpbHRvOndn Y2hhaXJzLWJvdW5jZXNAaWV0Zi5vcmddIE9uIEJlaGFsZiBPZiBFbGlvdA0KPiBMZWFyDQo+IFNl bnQ6IFRodXJzZGF5LCBKdWx5IDI4LCAyMDE2IDEwOjAwIEFNDQouLi4NCj4gTG9hLA0KPiANCj4g DQo+IE9uIDcvMjgvMTYgMzo1NyBQTSwgTG9hIEFuZGVyc3NvbiB3cm90ZToNCj4gPiBFbGxpb3Qs DQo+ID4NCj4gPiBPbiAyMDE2LTA3LTI4IDE0OjU3LCBFbGlvdCBMZWFyIHdyb3RlOg0KPiA+PiBJ biB0aGlua2luZyBhYm91dCB0aGlzIGNsdW1waW5nIGJ1c2luZXNzLCBJJ20gYWxzbyB0aGlua2lu ZyBhYm91dA0KPiA+PiBvdmVyd2hlbG1pbmcgbmV3Y29tZXJzLiAgT25lIGFwcHJvYWNoIHRvIGF2 b2lkaW5nIHRoYXQgaXMgYSAqbGlnaHQqDQo+ID4+IHN0cnVjdHVyZS4gIE5vdyB0aGVyZSBhbHJl YWR5IGlzIGEgbGlnaHQgc3RydWN0dXJlIGF0IHRoZSByZWNlcHRpb24NCj4gPj4gKGFyZWFzIGFu ZCBzdGlja2VycykuICBPbmUgZnVydGhlciBzdGVwIHdvdWxkIGJlIGZvciBlYWNoIEFEIHRvIGdp dmUgYQ0KPiA+PiBsaWdodG5pbmcgdGFsayAgKDIgbWlucykgYWJvdXQgd2hhdCBpcyBoYXBwZW5p bmcgaW4gaGlzIG9yIGhlciBhcmVhIGFuZA0KPiA+PiB0byBpbnZpdGUgcGVvcGxlIHRvIGNvbWUg YW5kIGFzayBxdWVzdGlvbnMuICBNYXliZSB0aGF0IHdpbGwgaGVscCBwZW9wbGUNCj4gPj4gb3Jn YW5pemUgdGhlaXIgdGhpbmtpbmcganVzdCBhIGJpdCBtb3JlLg0KPiA+DQo+ID4gU28gZ2l2ZW4g dGhhdCBhbGwgc3BlYWtlciBkcmF3IG9mIDMwIHNlYyBhbmQgdGhhdCB0aGUgY2hhbmdlIGZyb20g b25lIEFEDQo+ID4gdG8gYW5vdGhlciB0YWtlcyAzMCBzZWMsIGFuZCB3ZSBoYXZlIDE3IEFEcywg dGhhdCBpcyA1MSBtaW4gb3V0IG9mIHRoZQ0KPiA+IGhvdXIsIHJpZ2h0Pw0KPiANCj4gDQo+IEtl ZXAgaXQgdG8gb25lIHBlciBhcmVhLCAyIG1pbnMuICAxMiBtaW51dGVzLiAgUmVhbGx5IDEwLCBz aW5jZSBub3RoaW5nDQo+IG11Y2ggaGFwcGVucyBpbiBHZW5lcmFsLiAgQW5kIG5vLCBpdCBkb2Vz bid0IGhhdmUgdG8gdGFrZSBvbmUgbWludXRlIHRvDQo+IG1vdmUgZnJvbSBvbmUgc3BlYWtlciB0 byBhbm90aGVyLg0KPiANCj4gRWxpb3QNCltBQ01dIA0KQW4gYWx0ZXJuYXRpdmUgd291bGQgYmUg dG8gcHJlc2VudCB0aGUgaG90IHRvcGljcyBieSBhcmVhIGluIHRoZQ0KTmV3Y29tZXIncyBvcmll bnRhdGlvbiBzZXNzaW9uLCBzbyBuZXdjb21lcnMgZ2V0IHRoZSBBRCBmYWNlIGlkZW50aWZpY2F0 aW9uDQphbmQgdGhlIGluZm8gaW4gYSBtb3JlIHR5cGljYWwgcHJlc2VudGF0aW9uIGZvcnVtLg0K DQpLYXJlbiBPLiBhc2tlZCBtZSB0byBoZWxwIGdyZWV0IG5ld2NvbWVycyBhdCB0aGUgZG9vciwg YW5kIGRpcmVjdCB0aGVtIHRvDQphcmVhcyBhbmQgd2cgY2hhaXJzIGlmIHRoZXkgd2FudGVkIHRv IGZpbmQgc29tZW9uZSBpbiBwYXJ0aWN1bGFyLg0KSSB3YXMgc3VycHJpc2VkIGJ5IHRoZSBudW1i ZXIgb2YgcGVvcGxlIHdobyBkZWNsYXJlZCBubyBzcGVjaWZpYyBpbnRlcmVzdA0KaW4gYSB3b3Jr aW5nIGdyb3VwIG9yIGFyZWEuICBPdXIgbGF5b3V0IGZvciB0aGlzIGV2ZW50IHNlcnZlcyB0aG9z ZSB3aG8NCmFycml2ZSB3aXRoIGEgd29yayBhcmVhIGluIG1pbmQuDQoNClNvLCB0aGUgYXJlYSB0 YWxrcyBtaWdodCBoZWxwIHRvIGVuZ2FnZSBzb21lIG9mIHRoZXNlIHVuY29tbWl0dGVkIG5ld2Nv bWVycywNCmFzIGxvbmcgYXMgZWFjaCBhcmVhIGRvZXNuJ3Qgc2VlIHRoaXMgYWN0aXZpdHkgYXMg YSB0b28gbXVjaCBvZiBhIGJ1cmRlbi4NCg0KQWwNCg0KDQo= From nobody Thu Jul 28 07:40:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2376B12D7B5; 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Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:39:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Tero Kivinen In-Reply-To: <22425.63723.401840.460651@fireball.acr.fi> References: <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> <20160728035615.GI1218@mx2.yitter.info> <22425.63723.401840.460651@fireball.acr.fi> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, IAB , edu-team@ietf.org, Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:40:04 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Tero Kivinen wrote: > Andrew Sullivan writes: >> > "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers >> >> Sure, but it's only one layer of indirection. You seem to be arguing >> that a single level for newcomers is made better by adding another >> level of obscurity. I haven't don't a study, but I'm fairly willing >> to offer the hypothesis that it's not thus made better. > I have long time trying to propose that we add text inside the colored > circles, so we do not need to get rid of our existing usage, but we > would add more information. +1 > I.e. change the WG-chair cicle to blue rectangle with rounded corners, > and add WG-acronym in it with white letters. If person chairs multiple > WGs add more lines / more rectangles. The reason for changing shape to > rectangles with rounded corners is that WG-acronyms are longer, and > this way the text size can still be readable. > For the IAB just use the same color dot we have now (whatever it was, > I have been in IETF only for 20 years, and I still cannot remember > which one is red and which is yellow), and put letters IAB in it. For > area directors use same color again than before and just put area > acronym in it. After 20 years of IETFs, I still had to look up green last week. (it was HOST) -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBV5oZOYCLcPvd0N1lAQJhNwf+NXvy8m3yChqHHXoYlFvVW8iAgZnh7zMC 9JqYFkS8R2Y/1YxgDUjgdRTOXeDyjp2HdJLvWaqIB4xYW+K50P5lgw622onO9Aap FAvMpaAM/P8AwcF861RA7P64f1INz//Jb9PrLBKAwb3JNLVntQuBIHpR1irdWTkv r/RHHoe2Md84fXK/Zl8lmCwud9ki+RWhbm57mE3NWHcgqDAupBydzpfIVGHBd/Tp UzcbWErkImFbmUWXHwIXY/jAeat4K1exX+3+yOwXIHIGbEOZk6VhRiLrsElgvORV rxLtXz5jF8i7DfzXOfh/C//9yV29knazO/ul/cJasP4ruVmiLMpVCg== =6vRY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Jul 28 07:44:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B0212B065; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 07:44:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oL-ZBdyVl9El; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 07:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52C6D12D606; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 07:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0196200A3; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE4A638D1; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com In-Reply-To: <978746930.5802116.1469711042340.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> <32525.1469655747@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <6c5efd7b-7653-5550-4b57-4c4804c7212e@cisco.com> <978746930.5802116.1469711042340.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , Eliot Lear , IAB , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Here's something to try (was: an extremely long thread on Newcomers) X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:44:21 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain wrote: >> In thinking about this clumping business, I'm also thinking about >> overwhelming newcomers. One approach to avoiding that is a *light* >> structure. Now there already is a light structure at the reception >> (areas and stickers). One further step would be for each AD to give a >> lightning talk (2 mins) about what is happening in his or her area > I really like that idea a lot. I have heard comments from newcomers in > the Mentee feedback sessions that we hold to this very effect. I am > glad you brought that up, Eliot. > I have heard from them that they would like WG chairs to also do this > but then we have a VERY long session. I think an overview of each WG > and area would go a long way towards helping newcomers. The structure > is quite confusing for new people. 1) posters for each area, listing the WGs. 2) no MICs for the ADs, enough audio seperation that the ADs can speak at the same time. 3) no backpacks, give ADs and chairs a 15min gap before hand so that they can there. Maybe encourage one-WG chair per WG only. > But I think this needs to be done before the Meet and Greet in a quiet > room. Yes. What if we moved the reception forward an hour, and did the Meet and Greet for newcomers 1.5 hours into reception, in an adjacent room? In Berlin, the tables outside the lounge would have done nicely. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBV5oaNICLcPvd0N1lAQJDxAf7BBlucbNWipOWyl+9Zk6YKluU07ra7ADF GDBVxUAGEn7Hv/q9ds9U/MuZXohjiqe5GZZSfuSLCNG9nsKiyYR2K6h7VQ3Y5iRd rHO4dt1mlTTRAGu6JkIxsrSR7mNFr0NyGrmqtkFggqeCBMO8IU38C5cbdgtmjNcN 7PLQ0LwK2ru6gpa0z9yS/vNoFmySihJgZmStjJb6O+8cEukoY9BtmOYc1YcBzeyC 9boPezUzanAg9AeoF1Nz10d2rmlnJzM55pSksVfDsFNd8QjByP0WQYobCznaFCJV YL5v0ee4u0xZbQbLvoqbxDCHWvizK1KqQXtgjYANR3NJM3mepL7wng== =vv0/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Jul 28 07:53:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C472512D7A8 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 07:53:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:53:10 +0000; 1469717590.058 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:52:30 +0000 (UTC) From: To: Michael Richardson Message-ID: <1319333774.5866884.1469717550834.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <23027.1469717047@obiwan.sandelman.ca> References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> <32525.1469655747@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <6c5efd7b-7653-5550-4b57-4c4804c7212e@cisco.com> <978746930.5802116.1469711042340.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <23027.1469717047@obiwan.sandelman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5866883_2011578306.1469717550830" Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , Eliot Lear , IAB , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Here's something to try (was: an extremely long thread on Newcomers) X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:53:14 -0000 ------=_Part_5866883_2011578306.1469717550830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wrote: =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>> In thinking about this clumping business, I'm also thinkin= g about =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>> overwhelming newcomers. One approach to avoiding that is = a *light* =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>> structure. Now there already is a light structure at the = reception =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>> (areas and stickers). One further step would be for each = AD to give a =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>> lightning talk (2 mins) about what is happening in his or= her area =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> I really like that idea a lot. I have heard comments from = newcomers in =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> the Mentee feedback sessions that we hold to this very eff= ect. I am =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> glad you brought that up, Eliot. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> I have heard from them that they would like WG chairs to a= lso do this =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> but then we have a VERY long session. I think an overview = of each WG =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> and area would go a long way towards helping newcomers. Th= e structure =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> is quite confusing for new people. >1) posters for each area, listing the WGs. >2) no MICs for the ADs, enough audio seperation that the ADs can speak at = the > same time. >3) no backpacks, give ADs and chairs a 15min gap before hand so that they = can =C2=A0> there.=C2=A0 Maybe encourage one-WG chair per WG only. =C2=A0 =C2=A0>>> But I think this needs to be done before the Meet and Gree= t in a quiet =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>> room. >>Yes. >What if we moved the reception forward an hour, and did the Meet and Greet >for newcomers 1.5 hours into reception, in an adjacent room?=C2=A0 In Berl= in, the >tables outside the lounge would have done nicely. I like the table idea. As far as timing, Mentoring has 2 hours on Sunday. =C2=A0 We could take one= of those, if we all agree. =C2=A0I don't want to give up Speed Mentoring a= s I believe that to be extremely helpful. =C2=A0But, I think this idea bein= g discussed is very important for newcomers. We could have the new people go around the tables with their mentors. =C2= =A0Then, they could sit together somewhere else quietly and process what th= ey have heard. If people do not have mentors, then if there is a pool of people ready to v= olunteer, they could get an ad-hoc mentor. I think it is important for new people to talk over what they have heard an= d how it applies to them particularly. =C2=A0I don't think there would be t= ime for that at the table. Nalini ------=_Part_5866883_2011578306.1469717550830 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


<nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com> wrot= e:
   >>> In thinking about this clump= ing business, I'm also thinking about
    >&= gt;> overwhelming newcomers. One approach to avoiding that is a *light*<= br clear=3D"none">    >>> structure. Now there already i= s a light structure at the reception
    >&g= t;> (areas and stickers). One further step would be for each AD to give = a
    >>> lightning talk (2 mins) abou= t what is happening in his or her area

    >> I really like that idea a lot. I have heard comment= s from newcomers in
    >> the Mentee fee= dback sessions that we hold to this very effect. I am
&nb= sp;   >> glad you brought that up, Eliot.

    >> I have heard from them that they woul= d like WG chairs to also do this
    >> b= ut then we have a VERY long session. I think an overview of each WG
    >> and area would go a long way towards help= ing newcomers. The structure
    >> is qu= ite confusing for new people.


&g= t;1) posters for each area, listing the WGs.

>2) no MICs for the ADs, enough audio seperation that the ADs can= speak at the
> same time.

>3) no backpacks, give ADs and chairs a 15min gap before hand = so that they can
 > there.  Maybe encourage= one-WG chair per WG only.

  &nbs= p;>>> But I think this needs to be done before the Meet and Greet = in a quiet
    >>> room.

>>Yes.

>What i= f we moved the reception forward an hour, and did the Meet and Greet
>for newcomers 1.5 hours into reception, in an adjacent room= ?  In Berlin, the
>tables outside the lounge woul= d have done nicely.

I like the table idea.

As far as timing, Mentoring has 2= hours on Sunday.   We could take one of those, if we all agree.  = ;I don't want to give up Speed Mentoring as I believe that to be extremely = helpful.  But, I think this idea being discussed is very important for= newcomers.

We co= uld have the new people go around the tables with their mentors.  Then= , they could sit together somewhere else quietly and process what they have= heard.
If people= do not have mentors, then if there is a pool of people ready to volunteer,= they could get an ad-hoc mentor.

I think it is important for new people to talk over what t= hey have heard and how it applies to them particularly.  I don't think= there would be time for that at the table.

Nalini


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I even went so far as to suggest that it was OK to interrupt two dot people talking. I also pointed out they had 4 more bites at the apple after this one (4 more newcomers M&Gs they could attend). I then went to the M&G and noticed the self/same clustering mentioned otherwise. I think that will continue with us imposing some sort of forcing function. I was half thinking that we give all of the blue dot attendees a set of tickets for drinks and we place a big sign at the door that drinks require tickets. To get a ticket you need to go up to a blue dot attendee that you DON'T already kno, introduce yourself, say a little about what you want to do in the IETF, have the blue dot guy/girl point you to an area table and give you a ticket. If you want a second drink, later, rinse repeat. Introductions will be an "interrupting" state for all other discussions except other interruptions). (Or maybe reverse this and make it non-blue dot folk as they may be the ones most involved in long discusssions). Getting the newcomer's to engage with non-newcomer's is an interesting problem. In business you might spend 2 days in a team building exercise - we spend 60 minutes. Mike On 7/27/2016 11:10 PM, Kyle Rose wrote: > I had a number of interesting, and hopefully useful, conversations > with newcomers over at the transport area. I made an effort to > introduce myself to newcomers, to learn about what they are interested > in, and to try to then introduce them to veterans I know who are > working in the same areas. I didn't have much opportunity for > follow-up, but I hope it was helpful. > > Kyle > > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise > wrote: > > Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members, > > The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the > newcomers experience at the IETF. > Reflecting on the Newcomers Meet and Greet session, we observed > that the relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is > pretty high compared to the number of newcomers. This resulted in > some intimidating situations for newcomers. On top of that, this > session can quickly end up with WG chairs, IESG, IAB members > discussing among themselves. > > Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the > number of newcomers. > First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomers > Meet and Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers > should attend the Newcomers Meet and Greet session. > Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend > their first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five > meetings (*) > > Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members > discussing among themselves during the Newcomers Meet and Greet > session", we understand that, for most of us, this is the first > time we see each others during the week. So naturally, we tend to > greet our friends and colleagues and solve the last (technical) > issues before the week madness. However, let's not forget the goal > of this specific meeting! So let's all be proactive in welcoming > the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags on their > badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate > persons. We count on you. > > There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs > saying to their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the > Newcomers Meet and Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce > themselves to them. > > Regards, Benoit > > > (*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system > itself, because the system was already open when this was decided. > The change will be reflected in the IETF 97 system language. > However we are going to manually and very soon pull this > information from the registration history and direct all > invitations to anyone who has attended less than five meetings. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing list > edu-team@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team --------------2ABAE4F58F9672834CC18DAB Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi -

During the newcomer's orientation presentation, I gave them a pretty strong charge to use the Newcomer's as a place to get face time with folk they will need to know to be successful. I even went so far as to suggest that it was OK to interrupt two dot people talking. I also pointed out they had 4 more bites at the apple after this one (4 more newcomers M&Gs they could attend).

I then went to the M&G and noticed the self/same clustering mentioned otherwise.

I think that will continue with us imposing some sort of forcing function. I was half thinking that we give all of the blue dot attendees a set of tickets for drinks and we place a big sign at the door that drinks require tickets. To get a ticket you need to go up to a blue dot attendee that you DON'T already kno, introduce yourself, say a little about what you want to do in the IETF, have the blue dot guy/girl point you to an area table and give you a ticket. If you want a second drink, later, rinse repeat. Introductions will be an "interrupting" state for all other discussions except other interruptions).

(Or maybe reverse this and make it non-blue dot folk as they may be the ones most involved in long discusssions).

Getting the newcomer's to engage with non-newcomer's is an interesting problem. In business you might spend 2 days in a team building exercise - we spend 60 minutes.

Mike




On 7/27/2016 11:10 PM, Kyle Rose wrote:
I had a number of interesting, and hopefully useful, conversations with newcomers over at the transport area. I made an effort to introduce myself to newcomers, to learn about what they are interested in, and to try to then introduce them to veterans I know who are working in the same areas. I didn't have much opportunity for follow-up, but I hope it was helpful.

Kyle


On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members,

The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the newcomers experience at the IETF.
Reflecting on the Newcomers Meet and Greet session, we observed that the relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high compared to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating situations for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up with WG chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves.

Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the number of newcomers.
First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomers Meet and Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend the Newcomers Meet and Greet session.
Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend their first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings (*)

Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members discussing among themselves during the Newcomers Meet and Greet session", we understand that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each others during the week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues and solve the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, let's not forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all be proactive in welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags on their badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate persons. We count on you.

There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs saying to their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomers Meet and Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them.

Regards, Benoit


(*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system itself, because the system was already open when this was decided. The change will be reflected in the IETF 97 system language. However we are going to manually and very soon pull this information from the registration history and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended less than five meetings.




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--------------2ABAE4F58F9672834CC18DAB-- From nobody Thu Jul 28 09:08:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9B212D755; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:08:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RF4OJqkyBumQ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9558912D85B; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06D6E18013E4; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 18:08:44 +0200 (CEST) To: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , Eliot Lear , Michael Richardson , Robert Sparks References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> <32525.1469655747@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <6c5efd7b-7653-5550-4b57-4c4804c7212e@cisco.com> <61f90dcf-2e84-2cf6-547e-bf30cba97ddf@pi.nu> <41a0f8da-cd4c-e01b-6dec-d92d0c172ec0@cisco.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D45963B2B46@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <8ad10631-601e-45d2-c85f-5a6b5967b307@pi.nu> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 18:08:43 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D45963B2B46@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IAB , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] Here's something to try X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 16:08:48 -0000 Folks, On 2016-07-28 16:29, MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: WGChairs [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eliot >> Lear >> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 10:00 AM > ... >> Loa, >> >> >> On 7/28/16 3:57 PM, Loa Andersson wrote: >>> Elliot, >>> >>> On 2016-07-28 14:57, Eliot Lear wrote: >>>> In thinking about this clumping business, I'm also thinking about >>>> overwhelming newcomers. One approach to avoiding that is a *light* >>>> structure. Now there already is a light structure at the reception >>>> (areas and stickers). One further step would be for each AD to give a >>>> lightning talk (2 mins) about what is happening in his or her area and >>>> to invite people to come and ask questions. Maybe that will help people >>>> organize their thinking just a bit more. >>> >>> So given that all speaker draw of 30 sec and that the change from one AD >>> to another takes 30 sec, and we have 17 ADs, that is 51 min out of the >>> hour, right? >> >> >> Keep it to one per area, 2 mins. 12 minutes. Really 10, since nothing >> much happens in General. And no, it doesn't have to take one minute to >> move from one speaker to another. we have seven areas - so even with no AD going over (highly unlikely) and only a minute to swap between the ADs, you take a quarter of the time we have to discuss f2f with newcomers. Even in the very noisy environment we had last time, I managed to talk constructively with at least four between whose badges said they were new-comers. I would have missed one or two of these if I had to keep silent for 15min. In the IETF the ADs does not run the process producing standards, they facilitate. The working group are the part of the organization that are doing the down to earth work. Let us improve the reception of the new-comers, but let us do it not by increasing the noice, but in have the working group chairs more accessible. /Loa >> >> Eliot > [ACM] > An alternative would be to present the hot topics by area in the > Newcomer's orientation session, so newcomers get the AD face identification > and the info in a more typical presentation forum. > > Karen O. asked me to help greet newcomers at the door, and direct them to > areas and wg chairs if they wanted to find someone in particular. > I was surprised by the number of people who declared no specific interest > in a working group or area. Our layout for this event serves those who > arrive with a work area in mind. > > So, the area talks might help to engage some of these uncommitted newcomers, > as long as each area doesn't see this activity as a too much of a burden. > > Al > > From nobody Thu Jul 28 09:19:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5ED12D848; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:18:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ueDkN51t2job; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x230.google.com (mail-qt0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6867F12D7E9; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x230.google.com with SMTP id u25so51039212qtb.1; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:18:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ecub8SReqcqpeqH6CaLaZnRWmiQDrds9HOcAhuLtyag=; b=M8nTCz4llDsdp+abq2+Cxxi+ILcsUf3Qtvq0/iq0F1EwzResXJiQeD50cQeBcPk150 qVgpHEnjW/TeTg/lWmAK0uKtKbiz/X71aFi3XnIUJCr/+q77psTyyFJJdyVZcDxCA15V lBV9ovh0PESvIXuYr3EmbSpEwSHP2TF3fjehcwdpeBQq4jWzxS+u3divraEHmpe/f7Ur I5HlcTzcnZ5luz7Sv5/kaGVUB2JvrIRwf8d3/LJ7tMu2co9QjRE04i0k+G9D1+rq15BO rzJfIQn/DyTZ9g9xTc2N0xiyjnc6R5bxG7cMxBK0iEg21Jv/OvRQnCK2s9EY3LiSKSQf Xc6Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ecub8SReqcqpeqH6CaLaZnRWmiQDrds9HOcAhuLtyag=; b=SDUk6FgxTVUMWTVrU/t7E1gj8lmMFyJkbw6fb9Qk5Bfk3WOQMXOlw7aZ6sGdrLrAJk e7ad/HCEVT/+bXuo0YcVEUDL5vAekee9Jloly2cQkxRjH4hNUAwkN0VYDn79HWyB9CY5 cX+AoncmkvHQYg3QqKM2DzsiMgV7WFGWq050unWXzbm9QciY4K6//cBPKeDXRMuoCO6Y 7FZ1v03LN9SWgcyxZ69lqxT8sxXboxJ2GfKPU3rggBkzE9OYkp0NBBupiYmi2fw6R4Df /NcwpEQ1FpUuReHS8clMqPGxWlFbUQDRD1Aai9SGgYpCM1hxm2DKFcYhFG1KrHKnijmW 5w+g== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkooutypszmUJSFfLZmEi66vOus8oyT6ARm79ThOHORtxvMenOtAtMioG9hM03oPgpQDOMf4nNyQoneEuTWyw== X-Received: by 10.237.49.130 with SMTP id 2mr58487583qth.38.1469722725469; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:18:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.52.193 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:18:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1201a670-7a54-c83d-8bf7-1fe9a5840fa6@comcast.net> References: <1201a670-7a54-c83d-8bf7-1fe9a5840fa6@comcast.net> From: Alia Atlas Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:18:44 -0400 Message-ID: To: Michael StJohns Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0b66def8557b0538b47c90 Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , Kyle Rose , IAB , IESG IESG , Benoit Claise , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?=5Bedu-team=5D_Improving_the_N?= =?utf-8?q?ewcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 16:18:49 -0000 --94eb2c0b66def8557b0538b47c90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, I understand the motivation - but, perhaps from an American-cultural-centric perspective, I really don't like tying any of this to free alcohol. Team-building is an interesting idea - how to encourage discussions where the newcomers feel that they have expertise or perspectives to contribute rapidly.... Alia On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Michael StJohns wrote: > Hi - > > During the newcomer's orientation presentation, I gave them a pretty > strong charge to use the Newcomer's as a place to get face time with folk > they will need to know to be successful. I even went so far as to sugges= t > that it was OK to interrupt two dot people talking. I also pointed out > they had 4 more bites at the apple after this one (4 more newcomers M&Gs > they could attend). > > I then went to the M&G and noticed the self/same clustering mentioned > otherwise. > > I think that will continue with us imposing some sort of forcing > function. I was half thinking that we give all of the blue dot attendee= s > a set of tickets for drinks and we place a big sign at the door that drin= ks > require tickets. To get a ticket you need to go up to a blue dot attende= e > that you DON'T already kno, introduce yourself, say a little about what y= ou > want to do in the IETF, have the blue dot guy/girl point you to an area > table and give you a ticket. If you want a second drink, later, rinse > repeat. Introductions will be an "interrupting" state for all other > discussions except other interruptions). > > (Or maybe reverse this and make it non-blue dot folk as they may be the > ones most involved in long discusssions). > > Getting the newcomer's to engage with non-newcomer's is an interesting > problem. In business you might spend 2 days in a team building exercise = - > we spend 60 minutes. > > Mike > > > > > > On 7/27/2016 11:10 PM, Kyle Rose wrote: > > I had a number of interesting, and hopefully useful, conversations with > newcomers over at the transport area. I made an effort to introduce mysel= f > to newcomers, to learn about what they are interested in, and to try to > then introduce them to veterans I know who are working in the same areas.= I > didn't have much opportunity for follow-up, but I hope it was helpful. > > Kyle > > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > >> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members, >> >> The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the newcomers >> experience at the IETF. >> Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session, we observed= that the >> relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high compar= ed >> to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating situation= s >> for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up with WG >> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves. >> >> Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the number o= f >> newcomers. >> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer=E2=80=99s = Meet and >> Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend the >> Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session. >> Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend their >> first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings (*) >> >> Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members discussing amon= g >> themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session", we und= erstand >> that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each others during t= he >> week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues and solv= e >> the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, let's not >> forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all be proactive in >> welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags on their >> badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate persons. = We >> count on you. >> >> There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs saying >> to their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomer=E2=80= =99s Meet and >> Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them. >> >> Regards, Benoit >> >> >> (*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system itself, >> because the system was already open when this was decided. The change wi= ll >> be reflected in the IETF 97 system language. However we are going to >> manually =E2=80=94 and very soon =E2=80=94 pull this information from th= e registration >> history and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended less than >> five meetings. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > edu-team mailing listedu-team@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listin= fo/edu-team > > > --94eb2c0b66def8557b0538b47c90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike,

I understand the motivation - but= , perhaps from an American-cultural-centric perspective,
I really= don't like tying any of this to free alcohol.

Team-building is an interesting idea - how to encourage discussions where = the newcomers feel that they have expertise or perspectives to contribute r= apidly....

Alia

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Michae= l StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Hi -

During the newcomer's orientation presentation, I gave them a pretty strong charge to use the Newcomer's as a place to get face time with folk they will need to know to be successful.=C2=A0 I even went so far as to suggest that it was OK to interrupt two dot people talking.=C2=A0 I also pointed out they had 4 more bites at the apple after this one (4 more newcomers M&Gs they could attend).

I then went to the M&G and noticed the self/same clustering mentioned otherwise.

I think that will continue with us imposing some sort of forcing function.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I was half thinking that we give all of the blu= e dot attendees a set of tickets for drinks and we place a big sign at the door that drinks require tickets.=C2=A0 To get a ticket you need = to go up to a blue dot attendee that you DON'T already kno, introduc= e yourself, say a little about what you want to do in the IETF, have the blue dot guy/girl point you to an area table and give you a ticket.=C2=A0=C2=A0 If you want a second drink, later, rinse repeat.= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Introductions will be an "interrupting" state for all other discussions except other interruptions).

(Or maybe reverse this and make it non-blue dot folk as they may be the ones most involved in long discusssions).

Getting the newcomer's to engage with non-newcomer's is an interesting problem.=C2=A0 In business you might spend 2 days in a te= am building exercise=C2=A0 - we spend 60 minutes.

Mike





On 7/27/2016 11:10 PM, Kyle Rose wrote:
I had a number of interesting, and hopefully useful, conversations with newcomers over at the transport area. I made an effort to introduce myself to newcomers, to learn about what they are interested in, and to try to then introduce them to veterans I know who are working in the same areas. I didn't have much opportunity for follow-up, but I hope it was helpful.

Kyle


On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members,

The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the newcomers experience at the IETF.
Reflecting on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session, we observed that the relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high compared to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating situations for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up with WG chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves.

Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the number of newcomers.
First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet sessions in the latest agenda= , more newcomers should attend the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Gr= eet session.
Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend their first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings (*)

Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members discussing among themselves during the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet = and Greet session", we understand that, for most of us, this i= s the first time we see each others during the week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues and solve the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, let's not forget the goal of this specific meeting= ! So let's all be proactive in welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags on their badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate persons. We count on you.

There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs saying to their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them.

Regards, Benoit


(*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system itself, because the system was already open when this was decided. The change will be reflected in the IETF 97 system language.=C2=A0 However we are going to manually =E2=80= =94 and very soon =E2=80=94 pull this information from the registration history and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended less than five meetings.




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Drinks - not free alcohol. All drinks including soft drinks, and even including munchies, etc require that you first say hi to someone. > > Team-building is an interesting idea - how to encourage discussions > where the newcomers feel that they have expertise or perspectives to > contribute rapidly.... > > Alia > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Michael StJohns > > wrote: > > Hi - > > During the newcomer's orientation presentation, I gave them a > pretty strong charge to use the Newcomer's as a place to get face > time with folk they will need to know to be successful. I even > went so far as to suggest that it was OK to interrupt two dot > people talking. I also pointed out they had 4 more bites at the > apple after this one (4 more newcomers M&Gs they could attend). > > I then went to the M&G and noticed the self/same clustering > mentioned otherwise. > > I think that will continue with us imposing some sort of forcing > function. I was half thinking that we give all of the blue dot > attendees a set of tickets for drinks and we place a big sign at > the door that drinks require tickets. To get a ticket you need to > go up to a blue dot attendee that you DON'T already kno, introduce > yourself, say a little about what you want to do in the IETF, have > the blue dot guy/girl point you to an area table and give you a > ticket. If you want a second drink, later, rinse repeat. > Introductions will be an "interrupting" state for all other > discussions except other interruptions). > > (Or maybe reverse this and make it non-blue dot folk as they may > be the ones most involved in long discusssions). > > Getting the newcomer's to engage with non-newcomer's is an > interesting problem. In business you might spend 2 days in a team > building exercise - we spend 60 minutes. > > Mike > > > > > > On 7/27/2016 11:10 PM, Kyle Rose wrote: >> I had a number of interesting, and hopefully useful, >> conversations with newcomers over at the transport area. I made >> an effort to introduce myself to newcomers, to learn about what >> they are interested in, and to try to then introduce them to >> veterans I know who are working in the same areas. I didn't have >> much opportunity for follow-up, but I hope it was helpful. >> >> Kyle >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise > > wrote: >> >> Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members, >> >> The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the >> newcomers experience at the IETF. >> Reflecting on the Newcomer’s Meet and Greet session, we >> observed that the relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB >> members is pretty high compared to the number of newcomers. >> This resulted in some intimidating situations for newcomers. >> On top of that, this session can quickly end up with WG >> chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves. >> >> Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding >> the number of newcomers. >> First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the >> Newcomer’s Meet and Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more >> newcomers should attend the Newcomer’s Meet and Greet session. >> Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who >> attend their first meeting, but the persons who attended less >> than five meetings (*) >> >> Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members >> discussing among themselves during the Newcomer’s Meet and >> Greet session", we understand that, for most of us, this is >> the first time we see each others during the week. So >> naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues and >> solve the last (technical) issues before the week madness. >> However, let's not forget the goal of this specific meeting! >> So let's all be proactive in welcoming the newcomers, >> actively engaging people with red tags on their badges, or >> simply putting them in contact with the appropriate persons. >> We count on you. >> >> There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG >> chairs saying to their lists, in email, that they intend to >> be at the Newcomer’s Meet and Greet session, inviting >> newcomers to introduce themselves to them. >> >> Regards, Benoit >> >> >> (*) We were unable to make the change to the registration >> system itself, because the system was already open when this >> was decided. The change will be reflected in the IETF 97 >> system language. However we are going to manually — and very >> soon — pull this information from the registration history >> and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended less >> than five meetings. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> edu-team mailing list >> edu-team@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team > > > --------------6955883E9227A72071192454 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 7/28/2016 12:18 PM, Alia Atlas wrote:
Mike,

I understand the motivation - but, perhaps from an American-cultural-centric perspective,
I really don't like tying any of this to free alcohol.
Drinks - not free alcohol.   All drinks including soft drinks, and even including munchies, etc require that you first say hi to someone.


Team-building is an interesting idea - how to encourage discussions where the newcomers feel that they have expertise or perspectives to contribute rapidly....

Alia

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi -

During the newcomer's orientation presentation, I gave them a pretty strong charge to use the Newcomer's as a place to get face time with folk they will need to know to be successful.  I even went so far as to suggest that it was OK to interrupt two dot people talking.  I also pointed out they had 4 more bites at the apple after this one (4 more newcomers M&Gs they could attend).

I then went to the M&G and noticed the self/same clustering mentioned otherwise.

I think that will continue with us imposing some sort of forcing function.   I was half thinking that we give all of the blue dot attendees a set of tickets for drinks and we place a big sign at the door that drinks require tickets.  To get a ticket you need to go up to a blue dot attendee that you DON'T already kno, introduce yourself, say a little about what you want to do in the IETF, have the blue dot guy/girl point you to an area table and give you a ticket.   If you want a second drink, later, rinse repeat.   Introductions will be an "interrupting" state for all other discussions except other interruptions).

(Or maybe reverse this and make it non-blue dot folk as they may be the ones most involved in long discusssions).

Getting the newcomer's to engage with non-newcomer's is an interesting problem.  In business you might spend 2 days in a team building exercise  - we spend 60 minutes.

Mike





On 7/27/2016 11:10 PM, Kyle Rose wrote:
I had a number of interesting, and hopefully useful, conversations with newcomers over at the transport area. I made an effort to introduce myself to newcomers, to learn about what they are interested in, and to try to then introduce them to veterans I know who are working in the same areas. I didn't have much opportunity for follow-up, but I hope it was helpful.

Kyle


On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
Dear WG chairs, IESG and IAB members,

The EDU and mentoring teams have been trying to improve the newcomers experience at the IETF.
Reflecting on the Newcomer’s Meet and Greet session, we observed that the relative number of WG chairs, ADs, and IAB members is pretty high compared to the number of newcomers. This resulted in some intimidating situations for newcomers. On top of that, this session can quickly end up with WG chairs, IESG, IAB members discussing among themselves.

Two concrete actions should improve the situation regarding the number of newcomers.
First, by de-conflicting the second EDU slot and the Newcomer’s Meet and Greet sessions in the latest agenda, more newcomers should attend the Newcomer’s Meet and Greet session.
Second, newcomers would not only include the persons who attend their first meeting, but the persons who attended less than five meetings (*)

Regarding the topic of "WG chairs, IESG, and IAB members discussing among themselves during the Newcomer’s Meet and Greet session", we understand that, for most of us, this is the first time we see each others during the week. So naturally, we tend to greet our friends and colleagues and solve the last (technical) issues before the week madness. However, let's not forget the goal of this specific meeting! So let's all be proactive in welcoming the newcomers, actively engaging people with red tags on their badges, or simply putting them in contact with the appropriate persons. We count on you.

There might also be value, specifically for new WG, in WG chairs saying to their lists, in email, that they intend to be at the Newcomer’s Meet and Greet session, inviting newcomers to introduce themselves to them.

Regards, Benoit


(*) We were unable to make the change to the registration system itself, because the system was already open when this was decided. The change will be reflected in the IETF 97 system language.  However we are going to manually — and very soon — pull this information from the registration history and direct all invitations to anyone who has attended less than five meetings.




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([2406:e007:5061:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k9sm19250484pfj.63.2016.07.28.13.52.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:52:05 -0700 (PDT) To: Loa Andersson , "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , Eliot Lear , Michael Richardson , Robert Sparks References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> <32525.1469655747@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <6c5efd7b-7653-5550-4b57-4c4804c7212e@cisco.com> <61f90dcf-2e84-2cf6-547e-bf30cba97ddf@pi.nu> <41a0f8da-cd4c-e01b-6dec-d92d0c172ec0@cisco.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D45963B2B46@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> <8ad10631-601e-45d2-c85f-5a6b5967b307@pi.nu> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <0a9fc938-c50c-788d-3a72-1c05f03419b6@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:52:09 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8ad10631-601e-45d2-c85f-5a6b5967b307@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IAB , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [edu-team] Here's something to try X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 20:52:12 -0000 On 29/07/2016 04:08, Loa Andersson wrote: ... > we have seven areas - so even with no AD going over (highly unlikely) > and only a minute to swap between the ADs, you take a quarter of the > time we have to discuss f2f with newcomers. Even in the very noisy > environment we had last time, I managed to talk constructively with at > least four between whose badges said they were new-comers. I would have > missed one or two of these if I had to keep silent for 15min. > > In the IETF the ADs does not run the process producing standards, they > facilitate. The working group are the part of the organization that are > doing the down to earth work. Let us improve the reception of the > new-comers, but let us do it not by increasing the noice, but in have > the working group chairs more accessible. I basically share Loa's caution about this. Best realistic case, we have to get half of the IESG in the room, we will only get about half the newcomers in the room, and it will take 20 minutes minimum, allowing for the usual faffing around. So, good idea but unlikely to run smoothly. Nalini said: > I don't want to give up Speed Mentoring as I believe that to be extremely helpful. Agreed (from limited experience). But only a fraction of newcomers arrive in time for that session anyway. Al Morton said: > An alternative would be to present the hot topics by area in the > Newcomer's orientation session, so newcomers get the AD face identification > and the info in a more typical presentation forum. Only a fraction of newcomers arrive in time for that session, which we have just shortened for other reasons. But if each Area provided one hot topic slide, they could probably be fitted in. A parade of speakers wouldn't work well IMHO, but having the ADs at the back of the room wearing extremely large coloured dots might be good. I think the idea of Area "hot topic" posters at the main reception is a good one. That would benefit everybody, not just newcomers. Brian P.S. The Area Overview tutorials have been very popular with new and old participants, but they need an hour each, so one Area per IETF is the realistic maximum. From nobody Thu Jul 28 14:09:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BE312D8FC; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:09:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dw9qwCab47ll; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EDE412D0B4; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C5AF18013E4; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 23:09:05 +0200 (CEST) To: Tero Kivinen , Andrew Sullivan References: <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> <20160728035615.GI1218@mx2.yitter.info> <22425.63723.401840.460651@fireball.acr.fi> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <976f05b5-b81c-8d09-c8bc-6d35efed793a@pi.nu> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 23:09:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <22425.63723.401840.460651@fireball.acr.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, IAB , edu-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 21:09:09 -0000 Folks, On 2016-07-28 14:22, Tero Kivinen wrote: > Andrew Sullivan writes: >>> "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers >> >> Sure, but it's only one layer of indirection. You seem to be arguing >> that a single level for newcomers is made better by adding another >> level of obscurity. I haven't don't a study, but I'm fairly willing >> to offer the hypothesis that it's not thus made better. > > I have long time trying to propose that we add text inside the colored > circles, so we do not need to get rid of our existing usage, but we > would add more information. > > I.e. change the WG-chair cicle to blue rectangle with rounded corners, > and add WG-acronym in it with white letters. If person chairs multiple > WGs add more lines / more rectangles. The reason for changing shape to > rectangles with rounded corners is that WG-acronyms are longer, and > this way the text size can still be readable. I think this is very close to somthing good, the question I have is about cost and work. And I still think we should consider have colored badges for nom-com, wg-chair, iesg and iab (at least) and then have a tranparent sticker to put on, like the one Tero described, one for each role the person have. If this comes with a reasonable (whatever this is) cost and amount of work it would be worth trying. /Loa > > For the IAB just use the same color dot we have now (whatever it was, > I have been in IETF only for 20 years, and I still cannot remember > which one is red and which is yellow), and put letters IAB in it. For > area directors use same color again than before and just put area > acronym in it. > > For other dots there could be similar kind of acronyms in it, which > will make it easier to search from the ietf web site what the dot > means. > From nobody Fri Jul 29 04:01:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mentoring-coordinators@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175ED12DD41; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 04:01:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tjGYW7d2Sis7; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 04:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28A5512DD12; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 04:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF805BE2D; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:00:34 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ib1Q8GzARtKv; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:00:33 +0100 (IST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (95-45-153-252-dynamic.agg2.phb.bdt-fng.eircom.net [95.45.153.252]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08FBEBDD0; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:00:33 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1469790033; bh=11Dn3RL0332ZtwlBF7/OwXUeTaJuD/Y9HOJKI8hgh8U=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=mq3uS3oiAAxbMNQUZeIQ1hib4wYV2hffE4ONlfITkof8TVyICCkemIEMQj9jbyQ8n zSEEqscYaWhw3yg9+X6pV/sLhH16eXtxdO/GKan9p22RQdu2fkEejkElGEGxiRQL4d qSWFKTCeZnozOOL+Yo8RmNN5KjbJ4FnWsNvqdpnw= To: Loa Andersson , Tero Kivinen , Andrew Sullivan References: <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <653DDBCF-CBE3-4046-B473-E568A57F4FA1@mit.edu> <20160727043345.GX9144@mx2.yitter.info> <80e429da-e2b9-d979-adf6-d56f5197ec99@gmail.com> <20160728035615.GI1218@mx2.yitter.info> <22425.63723.401840.460651@fireball.acr.fi> <976f05b5-b81c-8d09-c8bc-6d35efed793a@pi.nu> From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <31aaebff-0fe8-33d8-b1f9-7c5276b3512f@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:00:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <976f05b5-b81c-8d09-c8bc-6d35efed793a@pi.nu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms070509050503020403070408" Archived-At: Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org, IAB , edu-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] =?utf-8?q?In_defence_of_dots_=5BImprovin?= =?utf-8?q?g_the_Newcomer=E2=80=99s_Meet_and_Greet_experience=5D?= X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:01:12 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070509050503020403070408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 28/07/16 22:09, Loa Andersson wrote: > Folks, >=20 > On 2016-07-28 14:22, Tero Kivinen wrote: >> Andrew Sullivan writes: >>>> "IAB" and the other acronyms are also obscure to many newcomers >>> >>> Sure, but it's only one layer of indirection. You seem to be arguing= >>> that a single level for newcomers is made better by adding another >>> level of obscurity. I haven't don't a study, but I'm fairly willing >>> to offer the hypothesis that it's not thus made better. >> >> I have long time trying to propose that we add text inside the colored= >> circles, so we do not need to get rid of our existing usage, but we >> would add more information. >> >> I.e. change the WG-chair cicle to blue rectangle with rounded corners,= >> and add WG-acronym in it with white letters. If person chairs multiple= >> WGs add more lines / more rectangles. The reason for changing shape to= >> rectangles with rounded corners is that WG-acronyms are longer, and >> this way the text size can still be readable. >=20 > I think this is very close to somthing good, the question I have is > about cost and work. And I still think we should consider have colored > badges for nom-com, wg-chair, iesg and iab (at least) and then have a > tranparent sticker to put on, like the one Tero described, one for each= > role the person have. >=20 > If this comes with a reasonable (whatever this is) cost and amount of > work it would be worth trying. I guess someone who's fond of this idea could recruit a bunch of willing dot wearers (I'd be one), print up the relevant rectangular sticky dots and we can try 'em out. And if it's a hit we can then ask the secretariat to think about it. S >=20 > /Loa >=20 >> >> For the IAB just use the same color dot we have now (whatever it was, >> I have been in IETF only for 20 years, and I still cannot remember >> which one is red and which is yellow), and put letters IAB in it. 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--------------ms090605070504020507040507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 28/07/16 21:52, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >=20 > I think the idea of Area "hot topic" posters at the main reception is a= good one. > That would benefit everybody, not just newcomers. I think the BoF posters are fine and enough and don't require AD effort. (Though I don't recall seeing 'em in Berlin, did they happen?) And I can't see myself doing a poster advertising that there'll likely be a fine showdown between Alice and Bob at the FooWG on the bar topic. (Though that kind of thing would certainly tempt me:-) I also don't think adding more last-minute just before the meeting tasks for ADs is such a good plan. (Call me lazy:-) OTOH, if anyone is motivated to do up a poster about anything relevant in the SEC area, I would be fine with doing a sanity check for the secretariat before that's displayed. So if someone has such a security-area relevant poster they'd like to see displayed at the next IETF, just send it to me and the secretariat and so long as it passes a sniff-test, I'll ask that it be displayed alongside any BoF posters. 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[199.16.140.28]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xv9sm24162470pab.36.2016.07.29.04.25.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Jul 2016 04:25:15 -0700 (PDT) To: Stephen Farrell , Brian E Carpenter , Loa Andersson , "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" , Eliot Lear , Michael Richardson , Robert Sparks References: <2AE5B612-D2D6-474F-BE4D-76AE62C7E7BA@nostrum.com> <2A71DB5F-6550-4191-BB35-CBBE84FCFB87@kuehlewind.net> <65CD4480-FD65-4987-B889-08FF85C85EFC@ieee.org> <2160f5ee-7a2c-96c4-925f-68f40c3235aa@cisco.com> <456c2014-fe15-52b6-31c0-1fe7ae595dca@nostrum.com> <20160727042213.GW9144@mx2.yitter.info> <32525.1469655747@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <6c5efd7b-7653-5550-4b57-4c4804c7212e@cisco.com> <61f90dcf-2e84-2cf6-547e-bf30cba97ddf@pi.nu> <41a0f8da-cd4c-e01b-6dec-d92d0c172ec0@cisco.com> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D45963B2B46@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> <8ad10631-601e-45d2-c85f-5a6b5967b307@pi.nu> <0a9fc938-c50c-788d-3a72-1c05f03419b6@gmail.com> <02d98ebf-aad4-b1f4-8c9b-bebaa14fd9e7@cs.tcd.ie> From: Yaron Sheffer Message-ID: <7674db98-6565-3e74-c74e-303fda0111a6@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:24:42 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <02d98ebf-aad4-b1f4-8c9b-bebaa14fd9e7@cs.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 04:57:58 -0700 Cc: WG Chairs , "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" , IAB , EDU Team Subject: Re: [Mentoring-coordinators] [irsg] [edu-team] Here's something to try X-BeenThere: mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Mentoring Coordinators List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:25:19 -0000 Yes, we had BoF posters in Berlin. Thanks, Yaron On 29/07/16 14:11, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > On 28/07/16 21:52, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> >> I think the idea of Area "hot topic" posters at the main reception is a good one. >> That would benefit everybody, not just newcomers. > > I think the BoF posters are fine and enough and don't require AD > effort. (Though I don't recall seeing 'em in Berlin, did they > happen?) > > And I can't see myself doing a poster advertising that there'll > likely be a fine showdown between Alice and Bob at the FooWG on > the bar topic. (Though that kind of thing would certainly tempt > me:-) > > I also don't think adding more last-minute just before the meeting > tasks for ADs is such a good plan. (Call me lazy:-) > > OTOH, if anyone is motivated to do up a poster about anything > relevant in the SEC area, I would be fine with doing a sanity > check for the secretariat before that's displayed. > > So if someone has such a security-area relevant poster they'd > like to see displayed at the next IETF, just send it to me and > the secretariat and so long as it passes a sniff-test, I'll > ask that it be displayed alongside any BoF posters. > > S. >