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Hi,

So.. is there anyone who really wants to have DHCPv4 option for DNS server =
selection? I don't see real need for it, but this is one big question that =
needs to be sorted out - preferably before last call:)

Best regards,

	Teemu

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Hi Teemu,

Since DHCPv4 is currently widely used, I think it would be helpful to
support DHCPv4 option for DNS server selection.

BR,
Dapeng Liu

2011/6/10, teemu.savolainen@nokia.com <teemu.savolainen@nokia.com>:
> Hi,
>
> So.. is there anyone who really wants to have DHCPv4 option for DNS server
> selection? I don't see real need for it, but this is one big question that
> needs to be sorted out - preferably before last call:)
>
> Best regards,
>
> 	Teemu
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On Jun 12, 2011, at 1:34 PM, liu dapeng wrote:
> Since DHCPv4 is currently widely used, I think it would be helpful to
> support DHCPv4 option for DNS server selection.

You raise a good point.   As long as we define the DHCPv4 option to only =
send IPv4 addresses, it should be straightforward.   Hm, except that it =
can only be a single option, so we need to define the format so that it =
can contain multiple "delegations."


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Something like this, perhaps, for DHCPv4 option format:

0                   1                   2                   3
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|  Code         |   Len         |prf| Reserved                  |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|            DNS-recursive-name-server (IPv4 address)           |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                                                               |
+                          DNS suffixes and prefixes            |
|                          (variable length)                    |
|                                                               |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Or is there need to have multiple DNS server IPv4 addresses included in an =
option?

	Teemu

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Ted Lemon [mailto:Ted.Lemon@nominum.com]
> Sent: 12. kes=E4kuuta 2011 22:34
> To: liu dapeng
> Cc: Savolainen Teemu (Nokia-CTO/Tampere); mif@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [mif] Conluding this question RE: DNS server selection and w=
hether
> to support DHCPv4 or not
>=20
> On Jun 12, 2011, at 1:34 PM, liu dapeng wrote:
> > Since DHCPv4 is currently widely used, I think it would be helpful to
> > support DHCPv4 option for DNS server selection.
>=20
> You raise a good point.   As long as we define the DHCPv4 option to only =
send
> IPv4 addresses, it should be straightforward.   Hm, except that it can on=
ly be a
> single option, so we need to define the format so that it can contain mul=
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> "delegations."


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On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:49 AM, <teemu.savolainen@nokia.com> wrote:
> Or is there need to have multiple DNS server IPv4 addresses included =
in an option?

Isn't that a feature of the DHCPv6 option?  That is, I thought I =
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these options, and by doing so, provide more than one server/domain set. =
  In DHCPv4, if you send two of the same option, the DHCP client will =
concatenate them and treat the payload as if it were a single option.


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Yes.. I understand feature parity is a nice thing, but a container option (=
or nested option) for DHCPv4 sounds complex.. So does feature parity justif=
y this complexity, or would it be enough with DHCPv4 learn just one DNS ser=
ver capable of serving certain namespaces?

Or do you have some idea how this option could be formatted nicely for DHCP=
v4?

	Teemu

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 14. kes=E4kuuta 2011 19:58
> To: Savolainen Teemu (Nokia-CTO/Tampere)
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> Subject: Re: [mif] Conluding this question RE: DNS server selection and w=
hether
> to support DHCPv4 or not
>=20
> On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:49 AM, <teemu.savolainen@nokia.com> wrote:
> > Or is there need to have multiple DNS server IPv4 addresses included in=
 an
> option?
>=20
> Isn't that a feature of the DHCPv6 option?  That is, I thought I understo=
od the
> draft to be saying that you could send more than one of these options, an=
d by
> doing so, provide more than one server/domain set.   In DHCPv4, if you se=
nd
> two of the same option, the DHCP client will concatenate them and treat t=
he
> payload as if it were a single option.


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On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, <teemu.savolainen@nokia.com> wrote:
> Yes.. I understand feature parity is a nice thing, but a container =
option (or nested option) for DHCPv4 sounds complex.. So does feature =
parity justify this complexity, or would it be enough with DHCPv4 learn =
just one DNS server capable of serving certain namespaces?

It seems as though if the feature is useful in IPv6, it's also useful in =
IPv4.   I can't think of a reason why you'd care less about it in IPv4.

> Or do you have some idea how this option could be formatted nicely for =
DHCPv4?

I think if you just add a count field for the number of suffixes, it =
should work.


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Because with IPv4 multihoming is painful..

I'm not sure how count field for suffixes help.... Or does it hint receiver=
's parser to notice where to expect next preference field etc after multipl=
e option instances have been concatenated? How the concatenation btw works?=
 Receiver sums options up and creates one large with one code field, total =
length field, and the payloads are then just concatenated? And suffix count=
 helps to find beginning of next instance?

Teemu

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On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, <teemu.savolainen@nokia.com> wrote:
> Yes.. I understand feature parity is a nice thing, but a container option=
 (or nested option) for DHCPv4 sounds complex.. So does feature parity just=
ify this complexity, or would it be enough with DHCPv4 learn just one DNS s=
erver capable of serving certain namespaces?

It seems as though if the feature is useful in IPv6, it's also useful in IP=
v4.   I can't think of a reason why you'd care less about it in IPv4.

> Or do you have some idea how this option could be formatted nicely for DH=
CPv4?

I think if you just add a count field for the number of suffixes, it should=
 work.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiple Interfaces Working Group of =
the IETF.

	Title           : Improved DNS Server Selection for Multi-Homed Nodes
	Author(s)       : Teemu Savolainen
                          Jun-ya Kato
                          Ted Lemon
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mif-dns-server-selection-03.txt
	Pages           : 24
	Date            : 2011-06-22

   A multi-homed node can be connected to multiple networks that may
   utilize different DNS namespaces.  The node commonly receives DNS
   server configuration information from all connected networks.  Some
   of the DNS servers may have information about namespaces other
   servers do not have.  When the multi-homed node needs to utilize DNS,
   it has to choose which of the servers to contact to.  This document
   describes a policy based method for helping on selection of DNS
   server, for both forward and reverse DNS lookup procedures, with help
   of DNS suffix and IPv6 prefix information received via DHCPv6 or
   DHCPv4.


A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mif-dns-server-selection-03.=
txt

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This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
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xt

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Hi all,

There seemed to be interest for DHCPv4 support, hence the 03 version now ha=
s first stab on the topic.

Comments welcome,

	Teemu

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> This draft is a work item of the Multiple Interfaces Working Group of the=
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> 	Title           : Improved DNS Server Selection for Multi-Homed Nodes
> 	Author(s)       : Teemu Savolainen
>                           Jun-ya Kato
>                           Ted Lemon
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-mif-dns-server-selection-03.txt
> 	Pages           : 24
> 	Date            : 2011-06-22
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>    A multi-homed node can be connected to multiple networks that may
>    utilize different DNS namespaces.  The node commonly receives DNS
>    server configuration information from all connected networks.  Some
>    of the DNS servers may have information about namespaces other
>    servers do not have.  When the multi-homed node needs to utilize DNS,
>    it has to choose which of the servers to contact to.  This document
>    describes a policy based method for helping on selection of DNS
>    server, for both forward and reverse DNS lookup procedures, with help
>    of DNS suffix and IPv6 prefix information received via DHCPv6 or
>    DHCPv4.
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> From: nomcom-chair@ietf.org
> To: wgchairs@ietf.org
> Subject: Please help the Nomcom 
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:35:13 -0700
> 
> Hi WG chairs,
> We have had a good response to the first call for volunteers but the 
> rate at which new volunteers are coming in is slowing down. The Nomcom 
> process is best served by a large pool of volunteers drawn from a wide 
> spectrum of IETF attendees. Where else would we find this wide spectrum
> if not in the WG mailing lists.
> 
> I would really appreciate it if you can forward the message onto your
> working group mailing lists. 
> 
> The latest volunteer status and the second call for volunteers can be
> found at
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ann/nomcom/2964/
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> 
> Suresh Krishnan
> Nomcom Chair 2011-2012
> Email: nomcom-chair@ietf.org, suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com
 		 	   		  
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&gt; From: nomcom-chair@ietf.org<BR>&gt; To: wgchairs@ietf.org<BR>&gt; Subject: Please help the Nomcom <BR>&gt; Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:35:13 -0700<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hi WG chairs,<BR>&gt; We have had a good response to the first call for volunteers but the <BR>&gt; rate at which new volunteers are coming in is slowing down. The Nomcom <BR>&gt; process is best served by a large pool of volunteers drawn from a wide <BR>&gt; spectrum of IETF attendees. Where else would we find this wide spectrum<BR>&gt; if not in the WG mailing lists.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I would really appreciate it if you can forward the message onto your<BR>&gt; working group mailing lists. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; The latest volunteer status and the second call for volunteers can be<BR>&gt; found at<BR>&gt; https://datatracker.ietf.org/ann/nomcom/2964/<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Thanks in advance for your help.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Suresh Krishnan<BR>&gt; Nomcom Chair 2011-2012<BR>&gt; Email: nomcom-chair@ietf.org, suresh.krishnan@
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