From zehn.cao@gmail.com Wed Jan 4 00:33:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F4921F868A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:33:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hi7lWu-JXGIq for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFFA21F84CE for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by iabz21 with SMTP id z21so11144170iab.31 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:33:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=49CWNi7+KcJss3NCwGvLm3w1mDWG8/h82P4KnyiUlt0=; b=Cxn1EN2fjLTGsKCTwN5+CwqM7dEOUJV7wUDWUnLPbeDBm9JAVzTXwGnicoXDW0S6fv mL8J7+g1uRoUSN6gGYZaM0pCboj3PYoK1HTJSKYd7pxMtIzcdv8pva3NlP9SqGszHrpM VbvXu/DyIxlFCKhu6/ZLXhsYv5dd3FXI7jVb0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.157.133 with SMTP id d5mr53732605icx.46.1325666020543; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.229.66 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:33:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:33:40 +0800 Message-ID: From: Zhen Cao To: mif Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [mif] Wired or Wireless? Route Metric Auto-configure Issue X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 08:33:42 -0000 Hi All, Recently I encounter some weird phenomenon on the route metric auto-config on Win7, stated as below. I do not know if some one has experienced the same thing and know what's the reason behind. On Win7, when both my WLAN and Ethernet are connected and have got addresses from DHCP, the route metric of the WLAN IF is 25, the Wired is 10. There is no problem even if my WLAN needs portal authentication. So far so good. When I configured manually the IP address on the wired LAN (with exactly the same address previously get from DHCP), the route metric on the Wired LAN increases to 266. The problem aroused because I was forced to pass the WLAN portal authentication. We repeat the same thing on WinXP, the route metric on the wired stays as 10 in both manually configuration and auto-configuration scenario. That=92s obvious an Operation System=92s policy on the route metric auto-configuration. But we have no ideas on why this happen. Considering this issue, I suspect that it is important to give different implementations a guideline on route metric auto-configuration. --=20 Best regards, Zhen From Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com Wed Jan 4 11:52:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C71F21F85B5 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:52:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SoZmn1q4lxEB for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com (blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com [130.76.32.69]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE2621F85B4 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com (slb-av-01.boeing.com [129.172.13.4]) by blv-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/8.14.4/SMTPOUT) with ESMTP id q04JqAvO005213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id q04JqAjR022227 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NWHT-04.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwht-04.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.64.250]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id q04Jq94Y022203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NW-01V.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.64.97]) by XCH-NWHT-04.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.64.250]) with mapi; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:52:09 -0800 From: "Templin, Fred L" To: "mif@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:52:08 -0800 Thread-Topic: New draft: IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes Thread-Index: Acyt+SVzR1PpkUYRTvCp3A+bmVJOzQCYBPHAAB446gAAD8Pa0AKEviEwANQukcAAGomgYAAaRdXgACBYkTAC1BHQsA== Message-ID: References: <4EC5B720.8020605@gmail.com> <83A7D27A-9036-4252-AC94-3A89125C961B@nominum.com> <4EC63ECC.8010700@gmail.com> <20111119220355.GA893@shinkuro.com> <20111128181115.GC45293@shinkuro.com> <01da01ccb0d2$72f6f630$58e4e290$@com> <01ee01ccbb24$48fb0950$daf11bf0$@com> <008b01ccbedf$c5cb9620$5162c260$@com> <00a001ccbfc9$b119ede0$134dc9a0$@com> In-Reply-To: <00a001ccbfc9$b119ede0$134dc9a0$@com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [mif] New draft: IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:52:15 -0000 Hello, I have submitted a new draft on "IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes" (see below). Please review and send comments. Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com -----Original Message----- From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:18 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. Title : IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes Author(s) : Fred L. Templin Filename : draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2012-01-04 The Internet Routing Overlay Network (IRON) is a new internetworking and routing architecture that addresses important issues including routing scaling, network renumbering, mobility management, mobile networks, multihoming, traffic engineering, NAT traversal and security. In this document, we focus on IRON's applicability for multiple interface (mif) nodes. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt= From denghui02@gmail.com Thu Jan 5 20:04:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E19F11E80A5 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:04:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.686, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EjGsrNH9icuU for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299D511E8095 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by yhjj72 with SMTP id j72so532396yhj.31 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:04:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=W6Y/SbhFKSXd4qDqHL1T9VuUuD6MO3PTgqFSfZMPuXI=; b=C9ypXwhcDMCHjyfEMA2LBR0Wajp9iibJAJ5tfr38lwcTjUVTGW78dSTd69iwFE7Ei0 maYfvaVUc/xYY2M4d/pfH8rFSPQBxF2l9sheUCxjFxvj6X3AlWq1pg0eRPjrNf/yMJcy fWK+lKUvUHKsrD7inNlqcC8zSAWD6MimSJre4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.124.39 with SMTP id w27mr5035050yhh.125.1325822668986; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.146.118.14 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:04:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EC22572.8010209@gmail.com> References: <4EC22572.8010209@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 12:04:28 +0800 Message-ID: From: Hui Deng To: Brian E Carpenter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300e51293859b604b5d4255b Cc: mif@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mif] Charging pulses X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 04:04:32 -0000 --20cf300e51293859b604b5d4255b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Today the connection manager inside the mobile cann't only get and display the charging information which is similar to charging pulse, under that condition, it would be hard to pursure that way, maybe todays' apple and android has done is reasonable, that is "always prefer WLAN", but the only issue they have is that this WLAN is not connected or died connection even you can access the WLAN AP (for example, not yet go through captive portal), if happy eyeball can solve this bad WLAN user experience, that would be good. -Hui 2011/11/15 Brian E Carpenter > Re the discussion on draft-chen-mif-happy-eyeballs-extension-03: > > Some may remember that the old fashioned telephone system used to > generate charging pulses, a little beep each time it charged > you a certain amount of money. > > Seems like we need that to make the happy-eyeballs-extension work; > this would make it possible for the heuristic to actually work. > Without it, I don't see how it can work. > > All we need is for all operators that charge by time and volume > to send the charging pulses; flat rate operators don't need to > bother. > > Easy enough to define an ICMP option for this. > > -- > Regards > Brian Carpenter > > > _______________________________________________ > mif mailing list > mif@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mif > --20cf300e51293859b604b5d4255b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Today the connection manager inside the mobile cann't only get and= display the charging information which=A0is similar to charging=A0pulse, u= nder that condition, it would be hard to pursure that way, maybe todays'= ; apple and android has done is reasonable, that is "always prefer WLA= N", but the only issue they have is=A0that this WLAN is not connected = or died connection even you can access the WLAN AP (for example, not yet go= through captive portal), if happy eyeball can solve this bad WLAN user exp= erience, that =A0would be good.
=A0
-Hui

2011/11/15 Brian E Carpenter &= lt;brian.e.carpenter@gmail.c= om>
Re the discussion on draft-chen-mif-h= appy-eyeballs-extension-03:

Some may remember that the old fashioned= telephone system used to
generate charging pulses, a little beep each time it charged
you a certa= in amount of money.

Seems like we need that to make the happy-eyebal= ls-extension work;
this would make it possible for the heuristic to actu= ally work.
Without it, I don't see how it can work.

All we need is for all = operators that charge by time and volume
to send the charging pulses; fl= at rate operators don't need to
bother.

Easy enough to define= an ICMP option for this.

--
Regards
=A0 Bri= an Carpenter


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mif@ietf.org
https:= //www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mif

--20cf300e51293859b604b5d4255b-- From msk@cloudmark.com Fri Jan 6 10:13:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91EC321F89AC for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:13:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YIDX389cuVTI for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com (ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com [72.5.239.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF3E21F89A9 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:13:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from malice.corp.cloudmark.com (172.22.10.71) by EXCH-HTCAS901.corp.cloudmark.com (172.22.10.73) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:12:56 -0800 Received: from EXCH-C2.corp.cloudmark.com ([172.22.1.74]) by malice.corp.cloudmark.com ([172.22.10.71]) with mapi; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:13:02 -0800 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "thierry.berisot@telekom.de" , "oma-liaison@mail.openmobilealliance.org" , "oma-plenary@mail.openmobilealliance.org" , "oma-cd@mail.openmobilealliance.org" Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:13:01 -0800 Thread-Topic: Reply to OMA OpenCMAPI Liaison Statement Thread-Index: AczMntOIAvOXGRLTSfCY9C4Xpk7TXg== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_004_F5833273385BB34F99288B3648C4F06F19C6C1576DEXCHC2corpclo_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 23:01:13 -0800 Cc: "mif@ietf.org" , Hui Deng Subject: [mif] Reply to OMA OpenCMAPI Liaison Statement X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:13:03 -0000 --_004_F5833273385BB34F99288B3648C4F06F19C6C1576DEXCHC2corpclo_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F5833273385BB34F99288B3648C4F06F19C6C1576DEXCHC2corpclo_" --_000_F5833273385BB34F99288B3648C4F06F19C6C1576DEXCHC2corpclo_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good morning, Attached is the reply to OMA's Liaison Statement to IETF, sent on 8 Decembe= r 2011, from the OpenCMAPI working group at OMA to the MIF working group at= IETF. Please feel free to contact me if further liaison activity is needed. Regards, Murray S. Kucherawy IETF Liaison to the OMA --_000_F5833273385BB34F99288B3648C4F06F19C6C1576DEXCHC2corpclo_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Good morning,

 

= Attached is the reply to OMA’s Liaison Statement to IETF, sent on 8 D= ecember 2011, from the OpenCMAPI working group at OMA to the MIF working gr= oup at IETF.

 

Please feel free to contact me if further liaison activity i= s needed.

 

Regards,

 <= /p>

Murray S. Kucherawy

IETF Liaison to  the OMA

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([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rgE74QByLDmE for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com [130.76.64.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1402721F86E0 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:08:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com (stl-av-01.boeing.com [192.76.190.6]) by slb-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/8.14.4/SMTPOUT) with ESMTP id q0BH6giN005460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id q0BH6sNP019785; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:06:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCH-NWHT-07.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwht-07.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.25.111]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id q0BH6qCQ019744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:06:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCH-NW-01V.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.64.97]) by XCH-NWHT-07.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.25.111]) with mapi; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:06:40 -0800 From: "Templin, Fred L" To: Hui Deng Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:06:39 -0800 Thread-Topic: New draft: IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes Thread-Index: Acyt+SVzR1PpkUYRTvCp3A+bmVJOzQCYBPHAAB446gAAD8Pa0AKEviEwANQukcAAGomgYAAaRdXgACBYkTAC1BHQsAFaRK6Q Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "mif@ietf.org" Subject: [mif] FW: New draft: IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:08:05 -0000 Hello Hui, The draft I announced on Jan 4th (below) was motivated by our discussions back in December: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mif/current/msg01597.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mif/current/msg01599.html I would appreciate it if you could take the time to review the draft and post comments. Thanks - Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com -----Original Message----- From: mif-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mif-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Templ= in, Fred L Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 11:52 AM To: mif@ietf.org Subject: [mif] New draft: IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes Hello, I have submitted a new draft on "IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes" (see below). Please review and send comments. Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com -----Original Message----- From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:18 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. Title : IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes Author(s) : Fred L. Templin Filename : draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2012-01-04 The Internet Routing Overlay Network (IRON) is a new internetworking and routing architecture that addresses important issues including routing scaling, network renumbering, mobility management, mobile networks, multihoming, traffic engineering, NAT traversal and security. In this document, we focus on IRON's applicability for multiple interface (mif) nodes. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt _______________________________________________ mif mailing list mif@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mif From denghui@chinamobile.com Thu Jan 12 06:59:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F284921F8616 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:59:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.377 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.377 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RELAY_IS_221=2.222] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 76yASJ+P5Z3P for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from imss.chinamobile.com (imss.chinamobile.com [221.130.253.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1238821F8587 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from imss.chinamobile.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.chinamobile.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6F8E762; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:59:19 +0800 (CST) Received: from mail.chinamobile.com (unknown [10.1.28.22]) by imss.chinamobile.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35DFE760; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:59:19 +0800 (CST) Received: from Hui ([10.1.5.3]) by mail.chinamobile.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.6) with ESMTP id 2012011222591761-18220 ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:59:17 +0800 From: "Hui Deng" To: "'Templin, Fred L'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:59:09 +0800 Message-ID: <002901ccd13a$bef494b0$3cddbe10$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acyt+SVzR1PpkUYRTvCp3A+bmVJOzQCYBPHAAB446gAAD8Pa0AKEviEwANQukcAAGomgYAAaRdXgACBYkTAC1BHQsAFaRK6QAC04/OA= X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.6|March 06, 2007) at 2012-01-12 22:59:19, Serialize by Router on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.6|March 06, 2007) at 2012-01-12 22:59:19, Serialize complete at 2012-01-12 22:59:19 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Language: zh-cn X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.8231-6.8.0.1017-18642.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--32.136-7.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--32.136-7.0-31-10;No--32.136-7.0-31-10 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No;No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No Cc: mif@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mif] New draft: IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:59:22 -0000 Hello Fred, Thanks for writing MIF iron document, Comments from MIF: 1) MIF is not targeting a new internetworking and routing architecture, MIF is proposed to solve today existing industry's architecture such as 3GPP, BBF, WIFI deployment or Ethernet/PON office network. For new architecture proposal, it would better to be discussed in IRTF. 2) MIF is not going to solve one OS handling two interfaces with the same conflict IP address and prefix. At this moment, it is talking about how to select happy eyeball path with multiple interfaces. Comments from research direction: 1) Thinking about the possibility how to deploy VSP integrated with the existing architecture like 3GPP, BBF, WIFI. It will take a revolutionary way other than incremental deployment since it will change both host and network, host is especially harder in today's mobile industry by supporting IRON interface. 2) As far as I learned, IETF is more focusing on the problem with the limited scope other than a general solution which can solve everything like 1st paragraph of in section of Introduction. Excuse me for not reading in detail about your 4 drafts. Thanks again -Hui > -----Original Message----- > From: Templin, Fred L [mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:07 AM > To: Hui Deng > Cc: mif@ietf.org > Subject: FW: New draft: IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes > > Hello Hui, > > The draft I announced on Jan 4th (below) was motivated > by our discussions back in December: > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mif/current/msg01597.html > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mif/current/msg01599.html > > I would appreciate it if you could take the time to > review the draft and post comments. > > Thanks - Fred > fred.l.templin@boeing.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: mif-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mif-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Templin, Fred L > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 11:52 AM > To: mif@ietf.org > Subject: [mif] New draft: IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes > > Hello, > > I have submitted a new draft on "IRON Applicability for > Multiple Interface Nodes" (see below). Please review and > send comments. > > Fred > fred.l.templin@boeing.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:18 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > Title : IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes > Author(s) : Fred L. Templin > Filename : draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2012-01-04 > > The Internet Routing Overlay Network (IRON) is a new internetworking > and routing architecture that addresses important issues including > routing scaling, network renumbering, mobility management, mobile > networks, multihoming, traffic engineering, NAT traversal and > security. In this document, we focus on IRON's applicability for > multiple interface (mif) nodes. > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt > _______________________________________________ > mif mailing list > mif@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mif From Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com Thu Jan 12 11:21:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F13B21F85A8 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:21:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.574 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.574 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jh7mvMh3rchT for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com (slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com [130.76.64.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518D721F85A7 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from blv-av-01.boeing.com (blv-av-01.boeing.com [130.247.48.231]) by slb-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/8.14.4/SMTPOUT) with ESMTP id q0CJL07u020701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from blv-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blv-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id q0CJL0In011538; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NWHT-03.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwht-03.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.71.23]) by blv-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id q0CJL0FL011507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NW-01V.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.64.97]) by XCH-NWHT-03.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.71.23]) with mapi; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:20:59 -0800 From: "Templin, Fred L" To: Hui Deng Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:20:58 -0800 Thread-Topic: New draft: IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes Thread-Index: Acyt+SVzR1PpkUYRTvCp3A+bmVJOzQCYBPHAAB446gAAD8Pa0AKEviEwANQukcAAGomgYAAaRdXgACBYkTAC1BHQsAFaRK6QAC04/OAACOEIgA== Message-ID: References: <002901ccd13a$bef494b0$3cddbe10$@com> In-Reply-To: <002901ccd13a$bef494b0$3cddbe10$@com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "mif@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mif] New draft: IRON Applicability for Multiple Interface Nodes X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:21:08 -0000 Hi Hui, Thanks for your reply, and please see below for follow-up:=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Hui Deng [mailto:denghui@chinamobile.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:59 AM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: mif@ietf.org > Subject: RE: New draft: IRON Applicability for Multiple=20 > Interface Nodes >=20 > Hello Fred, >=20 > Thanks for writing MIF iron document,=20 > Comments from MIF: > 1) MIF is not targeting a new internetworking and routing=20 > architecture, MIF > is proposed to solve today existing industry's architecture=20 > such as 3GPP, > BBF, WIFI deployment or Ethernet/PON office network. IRON is concerned with solving problems for the existing industry's architecture. It does not replace any of the existing architecture, but rather augments the existing architecture. > For new architecture > proposal, it would better to be discussed in IRTF. IRON is not a new architecture, but rather a ready-for- deployment second edition of an architecture already published through the IRTF RRG (see RFC6179). Hence, IRON is now proposed as an IETF working document. > 2) MIF is not going to solve one OS handling two interfaces=20 > with the same > conflict IP address and prefix. At this moment, it is talking=20 > about how to > select happy eyeball path with multiple interfaces. The IRON soultion to happy eyeballs is to expose only a single, stable IRON virtual interface to the application and to dynamically ensure that the IRON interface remains mapped to the best underlying ISP interface(s) based on current ISP connectivity. > Comments from research direction: > 1) Thinking about the possibility how to deploy VSP=20 > integrated with the > existing architecture like 3GPP, BBF, WIFI. It will take a=20 > revolutionary way > other than incremental deployment since it will change both host and > network, No; no changes to the current network deployment. IRON only requires a few new routers be deployed in the network in incremental fashion. (Modification of existing routers is also possible.) > host is especially harder in today's mobile industry=20 > by supporting IRON interface. The MIF node would require a new IRON virtual interface, yes. The IRON interface is really the same as for GRE, but also asks for dynamic mapping of the IRON interface to ISP interface(s) so that applications see a constant and stable interface with constant and stable IP config. > 2) As far as I learned, IETF is more focusing on the problem with the > limited scope other than a general solution which can solve=20 > everything like > 1st paragraph of in section of Introduction. OK, but if the limited scope solution also happens to generalize, then so much the better - right? =20 > Excuse me for not reading in detail about your 4 drafts. The progression in understanding should be to first become familiar with the IRON virtual interface in the current MIF draft. Then, read IRON followed by SEAL followed by VET followed by AERO - while taking a break between documents as necessary without risk of losing context. So, the documents are inter- dependent in a seperable and healthy way without being co-dependent in a pathological way. Thanks - Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com=20 > Thanks again >=20 > -Hui >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Templin, Fred L [mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com] > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:07 AM > > To: Hui Deng > > Cc: mif@ietf.org > > Subject: FW: New draft: IRON Applicability for Multiple=20 > Interface Nodes > >=20 > > Hello Hui, > >=20 > > The draft I announced on Jan 4th (below) was motivated > > by our discussions back in December: > >=20 > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mif/current/msg01597.html > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mif/current/msg01599.html > >=20 > > I would appreciate it if you could take the time to > > review the draft and post comments. > >=20 > > Thanks - Fred > > fred.l.templin@boeing.com > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mif-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mif-bounces@ietf.org] On=20 > Behalf Of > > Templin, Fred L > > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 11:52 AM > > To: mif@ietf.org > > Subject: [mif] New draft: IRON Applicability for Multiple=20 > Interface Nodes > >=20 > > Hello, > >=20 > > I have submitted a new draft on "IRON Applicability for > > Multiple Interface Nodes" (see below). Please review and > > send comments. > >=20 > > Fred > > fred.l.templin@boeing.com > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] > > On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:18 AM > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Subject: I-D Action: draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt > >=20 > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > >=20 > > Title : IRON Applicability for Multiple=20 > Interface Nodes > > Author(s) : Fred L. Templin > > Filename : draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt > > Pages : 7 > > Date : 2012-01-04 > >=20 > > The Internet Routing Overlay Network (IRON) is a new=20 > internetworking > > and routing architecture that addresses important issues=20 > including > > routing scaling, network renumbering, mobility management, mobile > > networks, multihoming, traffic engineering, NAT traversal and > > security. In this document, we focus on IRON's applicability for > > multiple interface (mif) nodes. > >=20 > >=20 > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt > >=20 > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >=20 > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-mif-ironapp-00.txt > > _______________________________________________ > > mif mailing list > > mif@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mif >=20 >=20 > =