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Hello all

We have heard sufficient support about the adoption of this draft with only
1 pre-condition disagreement,
The pre-condition is proposing a new charter that should be discussed in
the next ietf meeting,
but adoption this draft won't prevent from the new recharter proposal.

Please authors submit a new working group document.

Thanks a lot

-Hui


 Hello all
>
> Based on last time IETF 82th MIF meeting, we are calling for the adoption
> of API document as the working group document in the mailing list.
> Just want to conform if anybody have different opinion on this.
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<div>Hello all</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>We have heard sufficient support about the adoption of this draft with=
 only 1 pre-condition disagreement,</div>
<div>The=A0pre-condition is proposing a new charter that should be discusse=
d in the next ietf meeting,</div>
<div>but=A0adoption this draft won&#39;t prevent from the new recharter pro=
posal.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Please authors submit a new working group document.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Thanks a lot</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>-Hui<br><br></div>
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ces@ietf.org [mailto:mif-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>ext Hui Deng<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 30. syyskuuta 2011 18:29<br>
<b>To:</b> mif@ietf.org; dnsext@ietf.org; dnsop@ietf.org; dhcwg@ietf.org<br=
>
<b>Cc:</b> pk@isoc.de; john_brzozowski@cable.comcast.com; sa.morris7@google=
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<b>Subject:</b> [mif] 2nd Last Call for MIF DNS server selection document<o=
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ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Dear all<=
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&nbsp;<br>
Based on 1st round WG LC, the authors have received significant advice abou=
t revision and submited a new version accordingly:<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mif-dns-server-se=
lection-05.txt">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mif-dns-serv=
er-selection-05.txt</a><br>
&nbsp;<br>
And&nbsp;we plan to issue a second round WG LC, and cc to DHCWG, DNSEXT, DN=
SOP related working groups, please DNSEXT/DNSOP chairs help to forward to t=
he MLs since I may not subscribe to them.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
This is a 2 weeks with little extension&nbsp;LC, it will finish on&nbsp;Oct=
ober 17,<br>
Please send substantive review and editorial comments to <a href=3D"mailto:=
mif@ietf.org">
mif@ietf.org</a><br>
&nbsp;<br>
Thanks a lot for youre view<br>
Best regards,<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Margaret and Hui<br>
&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Below are Teemu's writeup about&nbsp;the revision:<br>
&nbsp;<br>
I uploaded -05 update so that next comments would take into account changes=
<br>
I already did based on discussions with Murray (as was copied to this list)=
.<br>
The biggest clarifications related to how DNS queries are sent to different=
<br>
servers and when all servers are waited for answers (if reply is not<br>
validated) and when not. I.e. this text:<br>
--<br>
&nbsp; A node SHALL send requests to DNS servers in the order defined by th=
e<br>
&nbsp; priority list until an acceptable reply is received, all replies are=
<br>
&nbsp; received, or a time out occurs.&nbsp; In the case of a requested nam=
e<br>
&nbsp; matching to a specific domain or network rule accepted from any<br>
&nbsp; interface, a DNSSEC-aware resolver MUST NOT proceed with a reply tha=
t<br>
&nbsp; cannot be validated using DNSSEC until all DNS servers on the<br>
&nbsp; priority list have been contacted or timed out.&nbsp; This protects<=
br>
&nbsp; against possible redirection attacks.&nbsp; In the case of the reque=
sted<br>
&nbsp; name not matching to any specific domain or network, first received<=
br>
&nbsp; response from any DNS server MAY be considered acceptable.&nbsp; A D=
NSSEC-<br>
&nbsp; aware node MAY always contact all DNS server in an attempt to receiv=
e<br>
&nbsp; a response that can be validated, but contacting all DNS servers is<=
br>
&nbsp; not mandated for the default case as in some deployments that would<=
br>
&nbsp; consume excess resources.<br>
--<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Teemu<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
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rg</a><br>
&gt; Sent: 20. syyskuuta 2011 22:10<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org">i-d-announce@ietf.org</a>=
<br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:mif@ietf.org">mif@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; Subject: [mif] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mif-dns-server-selection-05.txt<=
br>
- </span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">=CF=D4=CA=BE=D2=FD=
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Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> -<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts<br>
directories.<br>
&gt; This draft is a work item of the Multiple Interfaces Working Group of =
the<br>
&gt; IETF.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Title&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : Improved DNS Server Selection for Multi-I=
nterfaced<br>
&gt; Nodes<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Author(s)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; : Teemu Savolainen<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; Jun-ya Kato<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; Ted Lemon<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Filename&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : draft-ietf-mif-dns-server-selection-0 5.txt<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Pages&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : 26<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Date&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : 2011-09-20<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A multi-interfaced node is connected to multiple net=
works, some of<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; which may be utilizing private DNS namespaces.&nbsp;=
 A node commonly<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; receives DNS server configuration information from a=
ll connected<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; networks.&nbsp; Some of the DNS servers may have inf=
ormation about<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; namespaces other servers do not have.&nbsp; When a m=
ulti-interfaced node<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; needs to utilize DNS, the node has to choose which o=
f the servers to<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; contact to.&nbsp; This document describes DHCPv4 and=
 DHCPv6 option that<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; can be used to configure nodes with inform ation req=
uired to perform<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; informed DNS server selection decisions.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; A URL for this Internet-Draft is:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mif-dns-serv=
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http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mif-dns-server-selection-05.=
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	Title           : DHCPv6 Route Options
	Author(s)       : Wojciech Dec
                          Tomasz Mrugalski
                          Tao Sun
                          Behcet Sarikaya
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mif-dhcpv6-route-option-04.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2012-02-24

   This document describes DHCPv6 Route Options for provisioning IPv6
   routes on DHCPv6 client nodes.  This is expected to improve the
   ability of an operator to configure and influence a nodes' ability to
   pick an appropriate route to a destination when this node is multi-
   homed and where other means of route configuration may be
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On 12-02-24 11:16, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> 
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiple Interfaces Working Group of the IETF.
> 
> 	Title           : DHCPv6 Route Options
> 	Author(s)       : Wojciech Dec
>                         Tomasz Mrugalski
>                         Tao Sun
>                         Behcet Sarikaya
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-mif-dhcpv6-route-option-04.txt
> 	Pages           : 22
> 	Date            : 2012-02-24
> 
>    This document describes DHCPv6 Route Options for provisioning IPv6
>    routes on DHCPv6 client nodes.  This is expected to improve the
>    ability of an operator to configure and influence a nodes' ability to
>    pick an appropriate route to a destination when this node is multi-
>    homed and where other means of route configuration may be
>    impractical.
Dear group,

Thank you for your extensive comments and discussion in Taipei and on
the list. This is an updated draft that tries to answer raised concerns.
In particular, authors tried to deal with following problems:

- Is this option really needed? What are the use cases? I received many
comments and suggestions and tried to generate a list of use cases.
Currently 14 cases are listed, covering broadband, cellular, LTE, WiFi,
enterprise, server hosting and home networks. Note that many cases were
provided by engineers, who work for operators and have hands on
experience. I thought it would be inappropriate to mention specific
vendors and operators by name in the draft itself.

- DHCP vs RA conflict. Previously it was proposed that generally DHCP
should override RA. That is no longer the case. DHCP option format was
updated to closer follow RA format. Although on-wire representation is
different, conveyed information is mostly the same. From a host
perspective, route information received over DHCP may be processed as if
yet another RA was received.

- There were several alternative solutions proposed, like RA used in
stateful manner or segregate hosts to different VLANs. I tried to
explain, why those proposals wouldn't work or are not desirable.

Motivation and uses cases are now significant part of this draft itself.
If the group believes that it would be cleaner, it may be split into
separate draft. But please, don't use this possibility as a way to delay
this work. There are many networks that want this option deployed asap.

Please comment.

Cheers,
Tomek

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Tomek,

Thanks for this draft and for your careful attempt to explain why
this mechanism is needed.

On 2012-02-24 23:38, Tomek Mrugalski wrote:
...
> - Is this option really needed? What are the use cases? I received many
> comments and suggestions and tried to generate a list of use cases.
> Currently 14 cases are listed, covering broadband, cellular, LTE, WiFi,
> enterprise, server hosting and home networks. Note that many cases were
> provided by engineers, who work for operators and have hands on
> experience. I thought it would be inappropriate to mention specific
> vendors and operators by name in the draft itself.

I am convinced.

> 
> - DHCP vs RA conflict. Previously it was proposed that generally DHCP
> should override RA. That is no longer the case. DHCP option format was
> updated to closer follow RA format. Although on-wire representation is
> different, conveyed information is mostly the same. From a host
> perspective, route information received over DHCP may be processed as if
> yet another RA was received.

I think that is a significant improvement.

> 
> - There were several alternative solutions proposed, like RA used in
> stateful manner or segregate hosts to different VLANs. I tried to
> explain, why those proposals wouldn't work or are not desirable.
> 
> Motivation and uses cases are now significant part of this draft itself.
> If the group believes that it would be cleaner, it may be split into
> separate draft. But please, don't use this possibility as a way to delay
> this work. There are many networks that want this option deployed asap.

Personally, I would move the detailed list of use cases to an Appendix
and just keep a summary in the main text. For most readers that will
be better.

I have a couple of specific comments on the use cases:

>> Use case 8: Selective walled garden.

Can you change the phrase "walled garden", here and everywhere else
in the draft? It really isn't part of the IETF's vision of the Internet.
Call it something like "Selection of specific services".

>> Use case 9: Multihoming problem.

I would like to add a statement that these arguments apply equally
when shim6 (RFC5533) is used for multihoming. Actually shim6 won't work
if route selection doesn't work, and today this seems to need manual
configuration.

Regards
  Brian




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Hello all

Please feel free to send your request to chairs.

thanks

-Hui

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<div>Hello all</div>
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<div>Please feel free to send your request to chairs.</div>
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<div>thanks</div>
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<div>-Hui</div>

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