From nobody Sun Apr 3 06:00:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDC012D541 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 06:00:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gXORLu4UewVY for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 656EA12D539 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 34ACCA2; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:00:08 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1459688408; bh=DzDwawSQGu3kqTs6TWae//P9/tuiTC+7Nr0T2Cruwew=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=ib4LVWWCAfNBQXUcdwUMTCh9ICEnxhs+M/E93nMFUa5bo1LNUUPxnLi9aanLeEzNz PnevThgLS3lrf+ZLu+wRruFJcv49gcYt5FO3EhfaM/+QbbJ42PI/AEEmB1Jf1Q6sZb USI/SIYHEOKj7gUlfeHLWYtwKs6loqQAHpOGgtPs= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8C2A1; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:00:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:00:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Margaret Cullen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <56D44703.7050700@fer.hr> <256A8C0C-EEED-4AF4-8B59-DD8109AB1519@gmail.com> <56D82434.5020803@fer.hr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-137064504-1600216210-1459688408=:31096" Archived-At: Cc: mif@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mif] next step for MIF PVD configuration X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 13:00:12 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---137064504-1600216210-1459688408=:31096 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, Margaret Cullen wrote: > > Hi Mikael, > > I agree with some of the issues you have raised about the current draft for DNS lookups of PVD information. I think that if we go with a DNS-based approach, we will need to do some work on the DNS mechanism to fix these sorts of issues. > > Do you have time to write a draft for the mechanism you have suggested, so that we can discuss it in the group? Hi, as you might have dedicted, I did not do this. In talk about other issues with Ole Tröan, he suggested RFC4620 "IPv6 Node Information Queries" as a potential mechanism that could be augmented for sharing all kinds of information between nodes. I just read this and it could be used, but I don't have a firm opinion yet exactly how it should be formatted, how to do indirection (if needed). I feel we need to understand the deployment model better, we need to decide who should have access to what information (if we put it in DNS, should anyone on the Internet have access to the speed of the Internet connection and if it's metered or not? There are pros and cons with both making it secret or not). -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se ---137064504-1600216210-1459688408=:31096-- From nobody Sun Apr 3 06:56:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A3D12D115 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 06:56:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k7T1G_J1l2Xz for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 06:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 062AB12D0AB for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 06:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6EB00A2; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:56:53 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1459691813; bh=cuVdx4soVVXv7qE2Dcy8/lqeRtBttp21etadIa6L4QU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=ebElakvr3WTwb1SC5b3GYiFXY/+7WyDN4w9zc8n74K0F6zNtB04/0R7koXOaL/loI K72kRnKkjP3zKP5BwYpi33IW+UQImm4jxomIFz6H41iff7Tr4b7Kpv2Fzr0jU1iNfe oVWx9BN8HhxekHOvhxF/j6wxTmfYfv2/HIsniy8Y= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68892A1 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:56:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:56:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: mif@ietf.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: [mif] question regarding PvD properties and what it applies to X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 13:56:58 -0000 Hi, if I get delegated a /56, and I have multiple /64s out of this /56. If this PvD has indications that it's metered, how should nodes handle traffic within this /56. Intra-/56 traffic would be high-speed and not really share the properties of the rest of the PvD. So I guess my concern here is that generally we think of the PvD as properties for traffic *outside* of the subnet, so the properties are not really shared for on-link traffic, but instead it's traffic that is going via something else, ie everything offlink. I don't see this specifically written anywhere, but is this the consensus we have? If I have a home with multiple routers, should the properties be applied for my inter-subnet traffic within my home as well? Potentially, wouldn't it make sense that the PvD properties apply to routes used with the source address, so I can have one set of properties for the /56, potentially another set for my provider /29 , perhaps I have some zero-rated destinations that I can talk to where the properties are different, and then another set of properties entirely for traffic sent to the default route? My reason for bringing this up is our discussion regarding what transport to use. I think it's important to understand how big the information blob is going to be, who might give input to the information blob, and if I want to apply local "intra-home" policy to my clients to augment information my ISP provides. This kind of "local policy edits" kinds of decices what mechanism could be used for it, so I think it's premature to try to decide mechanism before we know how the information is going to be used, how we think it should be formatted and what it applies to? -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From nobody Sun Apr 3 07:06:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEE712D57B for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aSz3dDvUFgTl for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 07:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABFAE12D55B for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 07:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id EF989A2; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 16:05:59 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1459692359; bh=tyvyhIT0IGWjDcOuuf1YeC0b6DEh6xpCe0hoGk1gnm4=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=QDRv0hMwJtKsKaLdASLdPhGNYz/QytUZFyWUL4jjtYF39AJeZDKzlza+j6FZkNTdX ZuAhViy+klhVgq3xs5hQ4qy+K58zcXjSNlnciovBqO5U7nwWiMa2G+lpjmMM5KQ8oK Lvse7xfm6S2qudZTuQiiz/AcRt+Cq8WHvwt+OZoo= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FE9A1; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 16:05:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 16:05:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Margaret Cullen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <56D44703.7050700@fer.hr> <256A8C0C-EEED-4AF4-8B59-DD8109AB1519@gmail.com> <56D82434.5020803@fer.hr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Cc: mif@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mif] next step for MIF PVD configuration X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 14:06:14 -0000 On Sun, 3 Apr 2016, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > as you might have dedicted, I did not do this. Sorry, must be jet lag. I meant "noticed", not decided. 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[31.133.155.190]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g64sm3552844qkb.44.2016.04.07.08.05.19 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Apr 2016 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Margaret Cullen Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C87241DC-0C05-4389-ADAD-362EC04B481B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Message-Id: <2011565D-2AA7-43A5-8A0D-5B58430CFC3A@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 12:05:18 -0300 To: "mif@ietf.org List" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: Subject: [mif] MIF Rechartering Discussion X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 15:17:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C87241DC-0C05-4389-ADAD-362EC04B481B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Below, please find some proposed charter text to be discussed at the MIF = WG meeting this afternoon, as well as on the WG mailing list. During the meeting this afternoon, we will discuss three options for the = WG: rechartering, going on hiatus until the community has more = experience with PvDs, or closing the group. Some of our key contributors are not here in Buenos Aires, so if you = have an opinion about this discussion, please post it on the mailing = list in addition to raising your comments in the MIF meeting this = afternoon. No final decision will be made until everyone, here and = elsewhere, has had a chance to express their opinion on this topic, = which means that we will not be making a final decision today. Thank you, Margaret DENG Hui MIF WG Co-chairs =3D=3D=3D The purpose of the MIF Working Group is to define how hosts should = behave in the presence of multiple concurrent network connections. = Multiple network connections can be made over multiple physical network = interfaces, a combination of physical and virtual interfaces (VPNs or = tunnels), or even over a single interface that connects to more than one = external network. Nodes attached to multiple networks may encounter problems due to = conflicting network configuration information and/or due to the = simultaneous use of multiple available networks. These problems are = outlined in the RFC 6418: Multiple Interfaces and Provisioning Domains = Problem Statement. The Multiple Interfaces (MIF) WG defined the architectural concept of a = Provisioning Domain (PvD) to denote a consistent set of network = configuration information associated with a network connection, and = provided a solution framework for nodes that are connected to more than = one PvD in RFC7556: Multiple Provisioning Domain Architecture. The = existence of a PvD may be inferred by the host (resulting in an implicit = PvD), or explicitly configured (resulting in an explicit PvD). The MIF Working Group is focused on three remaining items: 1. Determining how explicit PvDs will be configured. 2. Determining how hosts can discover more information about a PvD to = which it is attached. This might include: a PvD ID, connectivity = characteristics for the connection, costs associated with use of the = network connection, etc. 3. Determining the requirements for a MPVD API, and defining an = abstract MPVD API which will allow applications and middleware to = determine and manipulate information about local PvDs. Among other = things, this API could allow advanced applications to choose a PvD for = an outbound connection, thus influencing next hop selection, source = address selection, interface selection, and DNS server selection. 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[31.133.155.190]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a129sm3561264qkb.45.2016.04.07.08.06.51 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Apr 2016 08:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Margaret Cullen From: Margaret Cullen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 12:06:51 -0300 To: "mif@ietf.org List" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: Subject: [mif] MIF Rechartering Discussion X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 15:18:39 -0000 Below, please find some proposed charter text to be discussed at the MIF = WG meeting this afternoon, as well as on the WG mailing list. During the meeting this afternoon, we will discuss three options for the = WG: rechartering, going on hiatus until the community has more = experience with PvDs, or closing the group. Some of our key contributors are not here in Buenos Aires, so if you = have an opinion about this discussion, please post it on the mailing = list in addition to raising your comments in the MIF meeting this = afternoon. No final decision will be made until everyone, here and = elsewhere, has had a chance to express their opinion on this topic, = which means that we will not be making a final decision today. Thank you, Margaret DENG Hui MIF WG Co-chairs =3D=3D=3D The purpose of the MIF Working Group is to define how hosts should = behave in the presence of multiple concurrent network connections. = Multiple network connections can be made over multiple physical network = interfaces, a combination of physical and virtual interfaces (VPNs or = tunnels), or even over a single interface that connects to more than one = external network. Nodes attached to multiple networks may encounter problems due to = conflicting network configuration information and/or due to the = simultaneous use of multiple available networks. These problems are = outlined in the RFC 6418: Multiple Interfaces and Provisioning Domains = Problem Statement. The Multiple Interfaces (MIF) WG defined the architectural concept of a = Provisioning Domain (PvD) to denote a consistent set of network = configuration information associated with a network connection, and = provided a solution framework for nodes that are connected to more than = one PvD in RFC7556: Multiple Provisioning Domain Architecture. The = existence of a PvD may be inferred by the host (resulting in an implicit = PvD), or explicitly configured (resulting in an explicit PvD). The MIF Working Group is focused on three remaining items: 1. Determining how explicit PvDs will be configured. 2. Determining how hosts can discover more information about a PvD to = which it is attached. This might include: a PvD ID, connectivity = characteristics for the connection, costs associated with use of the = network connection, etc. 3. Determining the requirements for a MPVD API, and defining an = abstract MPVD API which will allow applications and middleware to = determine and manipulate information about local PvDs. Among other = things, this API could allow advanced applications to choose a PvD for = an outbound connection, thus influencing next hop selection, source = address selection, interface selection, and DNS server selection. The MIF WG may also provide advice to operating system developers or = application developers on how to provide an improved connectivity = experience when a host is attached to multiple networks or when there is = a change in the set of networks to which a host is attached. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave, Following up on your suggestion - in mif IETF 95 - to consider RFC 4191 /RI= O values (L/M/H) for conveying dmm prefix cost (https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-mccann-dmm-prefixcost-03): RIO values represent preferences for a destination route/prefix - these are= preferences per router, and not per on-link prefix. In the case of dmm-prefixcost, they are values in PIO meta data representin= g cost per on-link prefix (single link, and single access router). Prefix-cost is low (preferred) at initial attachment, and increases as the= MN (mobile node) moves further away (e.g., PMIP tunnel across short, high = speed backhaul may result in medium costs, and PMIP tunnel across a multipl= e backhaul/WAN network results in much higher costs). RIO would not be able to represent values for such multiple on-link prefixe= s. Is my understanding of RFC 4191 /the use of RIO correct? BR, John --_000_6561EABF52675C45BCDACA1B4D7AA1171DB7343Adfweml501mbb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dave,

Following up on your suggestion – in mif IETF = 95 – to consider RFC 4191 /RIO values (L/M/H) for conveying dmm prefi= x cost (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mccann-dmm-prefixcost-03):

RIO values represent preferences for a destination r= oute/prefix - these are preferences per router, and not per on-link prefix.=

 

In the case of dmm-prefixcost, they are values in PI= O meta data representing cost per on-link prefix (single link, and single a= ccess router).

Prefix-cost is low (preferred) at initial attachment= ,  and increases as the MN (mobile node) moves further away (e.g., PMI= P tunnel across short, high speed backhaul may result in medium costs, and = PMIP tunnel across a multiple backhaul/WAN network results in much higher costs).

 

RIO would not be able to represent values for such m= ultiple on-link prefixes.

Is my understanding of RFC 4191 /the use of RIO corr= ect?

 

BR,

John

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Thu, 21 Apr 2016 20:36:09 +0300 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-359AC446-3134-498D-B17B-35DFBE8DCC4E Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Markus Stenberg X-Mailer: iPad Mail (13E238) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 20:36:08 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: To: Hui Deng Archived-At: Cc: "mif@ietf.org" , Margaret Cullen Subject: Re: [mif] Questions in last 95th MIF meeting X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 17:36:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail-359AC446-3134-498D-B17B-35DFBE8DCC4E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Q1/3 not really.=20 Q2 I believe there is useful work to be done, but I abstain as I do not plan= to work further on pvds for now.=20 -Markus Sent from my preciouss, aka iPad ;) > On 21.4.2016, at 18.21, Hui Deng wrote: >=20 > Hello all >=20 > Chairs would like to ask questions again in the list about rechartering fo= r AD's reference due to lacking of participation. >=20 > Q1: Are you working on PVDs? >=20 > Q2: What do you think that MIF should do at this moment? > 1) Recharter > 2) Hiatus > 3) Close >=20 > Q3: Do you like to work on PvDS? >=20 > Many thanks for your feedback >=20 > Cochairs. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mif mailing list > mif@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mif --Apple-Mail-359AC446-3134-498D-B17B-35DFBE8DCC4E Content-Type: text/html; 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Q1/3 not really. 

Q2 I believe there is useful work to be done, but I abstain as I do not plan to work further on pvds for now. 

-Markus

Sent from my preciouss, aka iPad ;)


On 21.4.2016, at 18.21, Hui Deng <denghui02@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello all

Chairs would like to ask questions again in the list about rechartering for AD's reference due to lacking of participation.

Q1: Are you working on PVDs?

Q2: What do you think that MIF should do at this moment?
1) Recharter
2) Hiatus
3) Close

Q3: Do you like to work on PvDS?

Many thanks for your feedback

Cochairs.

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charset=us-ascii Hello, As discussed at the meeting at IETF 95: 1) Yes, I am working on PvDs 2) I believe MIF should recharter to focus on the remaining work = (primarily, defining discovery and use of Explicit PvDs; and defining = requirements for use and interaction with PvDs) 3) Yes, I would like to work on ideas and drafts for PvDs around the = recharter items mentioned above I think that the work that MIF has done to lay down the definitions of = PvDs is useful, but there is a bit more work that should be done to make = sure these concepts can be usefully applied to real-life scenarios that = require explicit PvD configuration. Leaving that work by the wayside = would potentially hinder other working groups that have mentioned MIF as = a source of solutions for this space. Thanks, Tommy > On Apr 21, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Hui Deng wrote: >=20 > Hello all >=20 > Chairs would like to ask questions again in the list about = rechartering for AD's reference due to lacking of participation. >=20 > Q1: Are you working on PVDs? >=20 > Q2: What do you think that MIF should do at this moment? > 1) Recharter > 2) Hiatus > 3) Close >=20 > Q3: Do you like to work on PvDS? >=20 > Many thanks for your feedback >=20 > Cochairs. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mif mailing list > mif@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mif = --Apple-Mail=_C3421D20-B2D8-47BF-A662-72E38A0E82AB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hello,

As discussed at the meeting at IETF = 95:

1) Yes, I = am working on PvDs
2) I believe MIF should = recharter to focus on the remaining work (primarily, defining discovery = and use of Explicit PvDs; and defining requirements for use and = interaction with PvDs)
3) Yes, I would like to work = on ideas and drafts for PvDs around the recharter items mentioned = above

I think = that the work that MIF has done to lay down the definitions of PvDs is = useful, but there is a bit more work that should be done to make sure = these concepts can be usefully applied to real-life scenarios that = require explicit PvD configuration. Leaving that work by the wayside = would potentially hinder other working groups that have mentioned MIF as = a source of solutions for this space.

Thanks,
Tommy

On Apr 21, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Hui Deng <denghui02@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello all

Chairs would like to ask questions = again in the list about rechartering for AD's reference due to lacking = of participation.

Q1: Are you working on PVDs?

Q2: What do you think that MIF should = do at this moment?
1) Recharter
2) Hiatus
3) Close

Q3: Do you like to work = on PvDS?

Many = thanks for your feedback

Cochairs.

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I think rechartering to make that happen is the right move, and intend to work on those documents. On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Tommy Pauly wrote: > Hello, > > As discussed at the meeting at IETF 95: > > 1) Yes, I am working on PvDs > 2) I believe MIF should recharter to focus on the remaining work > (primarily, defining discovery and use of Explicit PvDs; and defining > requirements for use and interaction with PvDs) > 3) Yes, I would like to work on ideas and drafts for PvDs around the > recharter items mentioned above > > I think that the work that MIF has done to lay down the definitions of > PvDs is useful, but there is a bit more work that should be done to make > sure these concepts can be usefully applied to real-life scenarios that > require explicit PvD configuration. Leaving that work by the wayside would > potentially hinder other working groups that have mentioned MIF as a source > of solutions for this space. > > Thanks, > Tommy > > On Apr 21, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Hui Deng wrote: > > Hello all > > Chairs would like to ask questions again in the list about rechartering > for AD's reference due to lacking of participation. > > Q1: Are you working on PVDs? > > Q2: What do you think that MIF should do at this moment? > 1) Recharter > 2) Hiatus > 3) Close > > Q3: Do you like to work on PvDS? > > Many thanks for your feedback > > Cochairs. > > _______________________________________________ > mif mailing list > mif@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mif > > > > _______________________________________________ > mif mailing list > mif@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mif > > --001a113f22c8707bd6053104da69 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It seems clear to me that there is still work to do, parti= cularly to make MIF possible on a homenet. =C2=A0 I think rechartering to m= ake that happen is the right move, and intend to work on those documents.

On Thu, Apr 2= 1, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> wrote:
=
Hel= lo,

As discussed at the meeting at IETF 95:
<= div>
1) Yes, I am working on PvDs
2) I believe MIF = should recharter to focus on the remaining work (primarily, defining discov= ery and use of Explicit PvDs; and defining requirements for use and interac= tion with PvDs)
3) Yes, I would like to work on ideas and drafts = for PvDs around the recharter items mentioned above

I think that the work that MIF has done to lay down the definitions of Pv= Ds is useful, but there is a bit more work that should be done to make sure= these concepts can be usefully applied to real-life scenarios that require= explicit PvD configuration. Leaving that work by the wayside would potenti= ally hinder other working groups that have mentioned MIF as a source of sol= utions for this space.

Thanks,
Tommy
On Apr 21,= 2016, at 8:21 AM, Hui Deng <denghui02@hotmail.com> wrote:

<= div>
Hello all

Chairs would like to ask questions= again in the list about rechartering for AD's reference due to lacking= of participation.

Q1: Are you working on PVDs?

Q2: What do you think that MIF should do at this mom= ent?
1) Recharter
2) Hiatus
3) Close

Q3: Do you like to work on PvDS?

= Many thanks for your feedback

Cochairs.
=
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 Hi All,

1) Yes, I am working on PvDs


2) I think there are plenty of work to do using the PvD concept and rechart= ering MIF to focus on specific working items seems a very reasona= ble idea. In terms  of interests, there are many on-going&nb= sp;discussions , i.e. the implementation of PvD between Homenet and MIF . Hence I don't think we are lack = of people who are interested in working on PvDs. 

Moreover, regarding the IPR issue, another point I would like to make = is that having RAND IPR claims in this working group is not really a&n= bsp;bad thing. Potential users of this technology would be happy to se= e those IPR claimed in IETF rather than discretely claimed under the table. Also some of the IPRs may not be valid any more since we = may work around them as we move on.

3) Yes, I would like to continue the work on PvDs.


Best wishes
Liang



=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: mif <= ;mif-bounces@ietf.org> =B4=FA=B1=ED Hui Deng <denghui02@hotmail.com&g= t;
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2016=C4=EA4=D4=C221=C8=D5 15:21
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: mif@ietf.org; Margaret Cullen
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [mif] Questions in last 95th MIF meeting
 
Hello all

Chairs would like to ask questions again in the list about recharterin= g for AD's reference due to lacking of participation.

Q1: Are you working on PVDs?

Q2: What do you think that MIF should do at this moment?
1) Recharter
2) Hiatus
3) Close

Q3: Do you like to work on PvDS?

Many thanks for your feedback

Cochairs.

--_000_SG2PR06MB09342CD9596075DC0970D4A7876F0SG2PR06MB0934apcp_-- From nobody Mon Apr 25 01:38:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A482B12D523 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 01:38:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id foVJ1zvWnxo2 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 01:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C081812D521 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 01:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ians-mbp.lan ([62.225.30.138]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MQzIE-1bIEDI0dmo-00UNaD; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:38:22 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_615F4177-5393-4206-B980-68B56E06E157" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: Ian Farrer In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:38:28 +0200 Message-Id: <5F7D3B1C-8F73-4EFF-BFB4-7D2ACB29B61C@gmx.com> References: To: Hui Deng X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:d2RmhkaALwY0d9CUOi1qtD15ZTY9NEghBhMDUk+y1N+UAkME1BX oPeeBDcDvhuN5UZqcquZadS3J1RSnDmaNT/9Ms74CYniNlrDK9OpFrmOSuYhYNBGHFLh+Ma GB7TtoklRlBllp/c22/24qrnRESSyhRweOhWf3F5Q89Bt/IjjK53dv2UVeiV3/i5fD+rUun S9++rFYSYNWoMq6czJVRA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:rT0FYj8gIg8=:Q0TGMCrA5z/ebRj4Sbi8Xk cuB1NngLmEk/+s7kBAaPzn9SH2UiqkO9ghOhKFWCT3F6V/E4YFIbE86OHY2WdSzRwqEJtvmrp 3rxj1129XskKD0eFlDvR1J6WSpLS6Q71p9mS6PZ8nlyB6Km9UjCDtBouWuNoFF4TuM5fp63Id l6xIF9TMN/8tyOuEADcoiaS685yxA+lJJzEkvjcqu9mifqXPpj8SA1+9Iz8fBR3A3XM9d2mc7 Cwc3YJmP3Wx6QOR8zWq+HRkyL+PmzLoBvZ7/xrcp/nl0PaR8q86j2Gm6CAjk8CA/IFyGpt53z E3o5JzHb6+KF/B/xMInKVjLq2rzOtMaz7pWCh6kazFJAlgt1SsuldAREnZY9hb2pk/dtrkeu8 i3LMRw+8z0O15etpvL7l8Tg5HO670TttJDgW5kbl7uKkAYyiR+PDoj4Xn12fmh4MFvPfPdGS3 8G1Q7RkeJ6MvntJqmnjNLkTB5jybnhQsmW1ZFYZx+lUWrrp3CY27LVWg3/OfzZs3khP1T37t2 mbMpTPJgJViES9urBCYLMeASMWvbjV7TgocgVZneVMQ5RcR36E/mdjXIsKFZrVQYLQMkN9Zeg bwZzNnJfEFHHtl6ScjcjIT/D3kYV/2m2xT4zoY6C3pRM7foSuM3fxBTNIpPS+k3ypM1TH8Oir 5A4ORTkTcgV2EsA6YhfFYxpEQu9INUOZpv4ZL3TIJ45nmCCB6jlvnsY4xWV5PrvcZQkFpUdIr iV5SMSuocJQQYJmIFzMHbiazeZn/HknwOUWtoaTjMP6Sy1u+TjgjsK/idDy/Okb4PGbGmjXFq UY3uLPc Archived-At: Cc: "mif@ietf.org" , Margaret Cullen Subject: Re: [mif] Questions in last 95th MIF meeting X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:38:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_615F4177-5393-4206-B980-68B56E06E157 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, Q1: Yes Q2: I think that rechartering is the only practical option here. The = problem that we are trying to solve here doesn=E2=80=99t go away by = delaying work on it. Q3: Yes Cheers, ian > On 21 Apr 2016, at 17:21, Hui Deng wrote: >=20 > Hello all >=20 > Chairs would like to ask questions again in the list about = rechartering for AD's reference due to lacking of participation. >=20 > Q1: Are you working on PVDs? >=20 > Q2: What do you think that MIF should do at this moment? > 1) Recharter > 2) Hiatus > 3) Close >=20 > Q3: Do you like to work on PvDS? >=20 > Many thanks for your feedback >=20 > Cochairs. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mif mailing list > mif@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mif = --Apple-Mail=_615F4177-5393-4206-B980-68B56E06E157 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi,

Q1: Yes
Q2: I = think that rechartering is the only practical option here. The problem = that we are trying to solve here doesn=E2=80=99t go away by delaying = work on it.
Q3: Yes

Cheers,
ian
On = 21 Apr 2016, at 17:21, Hui Deng <denghui02@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello all

Chairs would like to ask = questions again in the list about rechartering for AD's reference due to = lacking of participation.

Q1: Are you working on PVDs?

Q2: What do you think that MIF should = do at this moment?
1) Recharter
2) Hiatus
3) Close

Q3: Do you like to work = on PvDS?

Many = thanks for your feedback

Cochairs.

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= --Apple-Mail=_615F4177-5393-4206-B980-68B56E06E157-- From nobody Mon Apr 25 01:40:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FC212D523 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 01:40:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.297 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.297 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HZs8fKx69K-3 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 01:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C911C12D521 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 01:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7E284A2; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:40:44 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1461573644; bh=GwFVj0ys+Fku24OQqiJnEWNq9sY5d7oudXNIaJWEY7w=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Z1sKGsB/kOYQaCuGlRb0bIOeIdK/7+y7xaY6unsCG1Xju7R1PkEt50u598Jp087N0 g+E5VjTq96dNM/KfoJL3D3Mfj1bFVYQ85DQVgl6+Ogg1s8czt9mvPD3zHMcfYjv3Mn q/7B/U9mXGz8Vabu+MrnjXPbNXSlP+r2zC4ZN6Vg= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DC2A1; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:40:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:40:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: "mif@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <5F7D3B1C-8F73-4EFF-BFB4-7D2ACB29B61C@gmx.com> Message-ID: References: <5F7D3B1C-8F73-4EFF-BFB4-7D2ACB29B61C@gmx.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-137064504-1891203780-1461573644=:16013" Archived-At: Cc: Hui Deng , Margaret Cullen Subject: Re: [mif] Questions in last 95th MIF meeting X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:40:50 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---137064504-1891203780-1461573644=:16013 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Ian Farrer wrote: > Hi, > > Q1: Yes > Q2: I think that rechartering is the only practical option here. The problem that we are trying to solve here doesn’t go away by delaying work on it. > Q3: Yes +1, but I already said that at the mic at IETF95. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se ---137064504-1891203780-1461573644=:16013-- From nobody Wed Apr 27 19:59:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mif@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C66C12D59B for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:59:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bCKsjxtBaFp0 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (pfe112-ca-1.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D36A12D524 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1130.7; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:59:04 -0700 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1130.005; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:59:04 -0700 From: Terry Manderson To: Mikael Abrahamsson , "mif@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mif] Questions in last 95th MIF meeting Thread-Index: AQHRm+GWnXZcNdRI80WV/1Xek/MkJp+a2UMAgAAAogCABP8nAA== Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 02:59:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5F7D3B1C-8F73-4EFF-BFB4-7D2ACB29B61C@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.3.160329 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="B_3544693140_51884350" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Hui Deng , Margaret Cullen Subject: Re: [mif] Questions in last 95th MIF meeting X-BeenThere: mif@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiple Interface Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 02:59:08 -0000 --B_3544693140_51884350 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, Putting on my AD hat, I am somewhat concerned that there isn't a sizeable cohort of active participants to both work on solutions, documents, and perform reviews. I see that a (small) number of proponents have a strong vision of what they believe the WG should work on, and that is great. The question that now has to be asked is will that convert into an active workgroup that achieves its milestones? Cheers Terry On 25/04/2016, 6:40 PM, "mif on behalf of Mikael Abrahamsson" wrote: >On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Ian Farrer wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Q1: Yes >> Q2: I think that rechartering is the only practical option here. The >>problem that we are trying to solve here doesn=B9t go away by delaying >>work on it. >> Q3: Yes > >+1, but I already said that at the mic at IETF95. > >--=20 >Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se --B_3544693140_51884350 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIIYwwYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIYtDCCGLACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC FowwggV0MIIEXKADAgECAhAJ0fxYYYV36W1njUywVtW8MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMGUxCzAJ BgNVBAYTAlVTMRUwEwYDVQQKEwxEaWdpQ2VydCBJbmMxGTAXBgNVBAsTEHd3dy5kaWdpY2Vy dC5jb20xJDAiBgNVBAMTG0RpZ2lDZXJ0IFNIQTIgQXNzdXJlZCBJRCBDQTAeFw0xNTAzMjYw MDAwMDBaFw0xODAzMjYxMjAwMDBaMIGQMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzETMBEGA1UECBMKQ2FsaWZv cm5pYTEUMBIGA1UEBxMLTG9zIEFuZ2VsZXMxPDA6BgNVBAoTM0ludGVybmV0IENvcnBvcmF0 aW9uIGZvciBBc3NpZ25lZCBOYW1lcyBhbmQgTnVtYmVyczEYMBYGA1UEAxMPVGVycnkgTWFu ZGVyc29uMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAwTImt0Ol/9dOAbnm4lby 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