From nobody Wed Aug 2 02:28:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF153127978 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 02:28:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q61RoMdAW_nm for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 02:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.nict.go.jp (ns2.nict.go.jp [IPv6:2001:df0:232:300::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B84512EC13 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 02:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw2.nict.go.jp (gw2.nict.go.jp [133.243.18.251]) by ns2.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id v729SOLw050478; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 18:28:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from DESKTOP2JPR8KD (ssh1.nict.go.jp [133.243.3.49]) by gw2.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id v729SNXw050471; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 18:28:23 +0900 (JST) From: "Takeshi Takahashi" To: "'Adam Montville'" , References: <001a01d2ff15$5f6ed1e0$1e4c75a0$@nict.go.jp> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 18:28:21 +0900 Message-ID: <006601d30b71$af4c2790$0de476b0$@nict.go.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQIjlyKv1kH85WnMju5Ac4hCvkjeewD0rXt5ocgHyHA= Content-Language: ja X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at zenith2 X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mile] Working group last call for XMPP-grid X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 09:28:29 -0000 Hi Adam, Thank you very much for your thorough review. These are very helpful comments to advance the work further. I believe the authors will continue discussion based on these insightful = comments. I also think this is a kind of XMPP configuration guide that facilitates = the exchange of security-related information. So long as I understood until now, this document defines the exchange of = security-related information, and describes how IODEF information can be = distributed using the technique in order to demonstrate the usability of = the technique, but confirmation from the authors would be appreciated on = this matter. I also agree that we had better minimize the invention of new = terminology and had better reuse the term that were already used in the = original XMPP spec. In any case, since it is a summer vacation season, let us wait for a = while until authors reply to the comments. Thank you, and kind regards, Take From: mile [mailto:mile-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Montville Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 10:04 PM To: Takeshi Takahashi ; mile@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mile] Working group last call for XMPP-grid Take (and everyone),=20 I have read through this latest revision of the draft and find that I am = still somewhat confused - not about the intent of the draft, I think, = but of how it qualifies as something that is standards track (I could be = speaking from ignorance here, so please educate me where necessary).=20 To me, the draft is at heart an XMPP configuration guide, to put it = simply. For example, I don't see too much I would need to implement = (aside from a deferred XEP for IODEF - see my last comment below), but I = do see many requirements pertaining to the configuration/operation of, = say, ejabberd in my enterprise.=20 I feel like the real meat of the problem is punted, and perhaps that is = intentional given the narrow IODEF-specific scope. To me, the harder = problem is gaining industry-wide understanding of the discoverable = capabilities within the ecosystem XMPP-grid (I presume) seeks to enable. = Without this, there's very little hope of "plug and play" security = infrastructure in a given enterprise. The following are my current specific comments on this draft (more may = follow, but this seems like a bit for now): =E2=80=A2 At several points the draft talks about "telemetry", and I = remember someone (I think it may have been Henk) describing to me that = this has special meaning avoiding real-time-ish or event-ish = information. First, is there a need to define what is meant by = "telemetry"? Second, is there a reason to limit to "telemetry" given = this is a draft seeking to establish the communications infrastructure = for a security program's ecosystem? (Maybe that's not the intent of the = draft, but if it's not, then there's a whole front-end of activities on = the orchestration or command and control fronts that still need to be = addressed in this space, and I would question the utility of any = approach unconcerned with the full breadth of security program = communications needs.) =E2=80=A2 Is there a reason we couldn't replace "transport and = communication" for "messaging"? This seems cleaner, and removes any of = the ambiguity around "transport" when we're at a context that may = sometimes be on the network level and sometimes not. (See, for example, = the first sentence of the first paragraph of the Introduction.) =E2=80=A2 In the terminology, the way "capability provider" and = "publisher" are defined, they seem synonymous. It's clear that = "publisher" is being set up as a subclass of "capability provider" (i.e. = "publisher is a capability provider that..."), but beyond that there's = no clear qualification that would make an instance "publisher" distinct = from some other instance of "capability provider". I'm not sure how to = fix this, but recommend that you ask what would come after "that" in the = following sentence fragment: "A publisher is a capability provider = that..."=20 =E2=80=A2 Proposed text for "subscriber" definition: An entity = participating in XMPP-Grid by consuming information on a subscription = basis from one or more publishers also participating in the XMPP-Grid. =E2=80=A2 The XMPP-Grid Controller is simply an XMPP Server by my read. = Is there a compelling reason not to simply call it such? =E2=80=A2 This is a draft about communicating IODEF information over an = XMPP infrastructure, and as such it points to (as a normative reference) = XEP-0268 (see https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0268.html). Unfortunately, = that normatively references a XEP containing a clear warning: "WARNING: = This document has been automatically Deferred after 12 months of = inactivity in its previous Experimental state. Implementation of the = protocol described herein is not recommended for production systems. = However, exploratory implementations are encouraged to resume the = standards process." I'm not an expert, but I wouldn't want this draft to = proceed by effectively standardizing something that was experimental, = but has been deferred for inactivity, which tells me that it's = effectively dead (XSF folks may have a different opinion, and I'll = obviously defer to them, as I'm not too knowledgable of the XSF = process). I want to see standardization of a communications infrastructure = supporting an ecosystem of software and tools commonly used in the = implementation of a security program. It's not clear to me how this = draft furthers that goal. Either the draft simply doesn't accomplish = that for lack of specification, or it's not clear enough (to me) to see = how that enablement happens (even for IODEF given the "non-normative = normative" reference to XEP-0268). Therefore, it's not clear to me how this draft could proceed as = standards track, though I hope there is a way we can see this happen = (I'm not sure an informational draft would be as well-received nor = helpful). Kind regards, Adam On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:57 AM Takeshi Takahashi = wrote: Hello all, Based on the discussion at the MILE session in Prague, let us = re-initiate the WGLC for draft-ietf-mile-xmpp-grid. The version to be reviewed is https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-mile-xmpp-grid-03.txt We will have 1 month for this call. Please provide comments before August 18th and provide your support and/ = or raise any issue you feel are yet to be addressed. Thank you. 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X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 21:08:24 -0000 --94eb2c0b77becf5d550555dfc721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 here also. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:55 PM Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) < pkampana@cisco.com> wrote: > +1 for standards track. > > > > *From:* mile [mailto:mile-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Nancy > Cam-Winget (ncamwing) > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 02, 2017 8:10 PM > *To:* mile@ietf.org > *Subject:* [mile] ROLIE for Standards track? > > > > Hi, > > > > Back in IETF 97 (Seoul), we discussed moving ROLIE from Informational to > Standards track with participants being in favor. However, I was remiss = in > confirming this over the mail list=E2=80=A6.SO, > > In order to move this forward as I think the draft is ready other than it= s > category. > > > > I=E2=80=99d like to ask the mail list: > > - Should MILE adopt > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-rolie/ as a Standards > track document? > > > > Please respond by August 16th so that we can move this item forward. > > > > Kind regards, Nancy > _______________________________________________ > mile mailing list > mile@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mile > --94eb2c0b77becf5d550555dfc721 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1 here also.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:55 PM Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) <pkampana@cisco.com> wrote:

+1 fo= r standards track.

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From:= mile [mailto:mile-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 8:10 PM
To: mile@ietf.org=
Subject: [mile] ROLIE for Standards track?

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

Back in IETF 97 (Se= oul), we discussed moving ROLIE from Informational to Standards track with = participants being in favor.=C2=A0 However, I was remiss in confirming this= over the mail list=E2=80=A6.SO,

In order to move th= is forward as I think the draft is ready other than its category.=

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99d like to= ask the mail list:

-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Should MILE ad= opt https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-rolie/ as a Standards = track document?

=C2=A0

Please respond by A= ugust 16th so that we can move this item forward.<= /span>

=C2=A0

Kind regards, Nancy=

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--94eb2c0b77becf5d550555dfc721-- From nobody Fri Aug 4 03:48:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38F2131FC7 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 03:48:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NIkM4sgbQZgS for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 03:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x229.google.com (mail-io0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B7E2131D22 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 03:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x229.google.com with SMTP id o9so4668840iod.1 for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 03:48:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nct1zhPL7YAIBMVFSteigELQmbLvWDEmSrtCuJvODX8=; b=GBm0s3snKM9va1obvYxZdqnSe+lnv5cvCcqySqDs8Mvdq4bIT2cDgVjHhCxwQ8H5DH qY7X8zppUkrbsPHjtjrDsf0EsYiYwNSno1p9ZORd/3OSiLHN14gvlaKpE/BNmAJsdLBD 6zDFzqtoSUIW5SCrVA8wttUl7NLNfmcftRZhr2vyrixsulwHGJSPfv0xmsJWV58d3FyX 9Ty7ogZJbeq5E1+J5dTDCInLyom4y1DR7Fqm1CUjD9u1WJVhrb3Mp1ObGQ+vgmDyDhQ+ r3gOuzjYr7R7HbHQufw7FUK7jrBgFQ3jC0DXWK5tCGL2dDHxq9O+Y1m2fmvOjgo7qs+e 6JJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=nct1zhPL7YAIBMVFSteigELQmbLvWDEmSrtCuJvODX8=; b=VMvdMKof1JAWG6Qdlif3sS8DbQ+IOug6K8NuZ/Z827EsBlYG5knLkKxKkQPkkpsoUW byCfXgIhgi3VQyzLXgBrpY+v8ExB4NTp/Vo1k0unWnFJCo/EycmP3tOvJFTni/ml9yba xgpqzum4n6wJ7+QI6QUUJWiMsT4gEdPm78N8zcQW3GH8FxxygSKKFGhoMu1KVyNMcXeg oRC+ElYOvgYxsexXYycOwotv+O/6e0r7GtK50OfhmlunCUYVPCljt1tuSCWVhHuQ25wk I/Mz7BhzXmgGtObasbz0K+XRIePE1Hghr3SzXsJWD1m2IaDlhrANMXbXi3M7zL0H+hbR O6Hg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw113f9LDhkoxjyVHyWoJkVFJxgRbFInbRI9Cxa5yAa5fASR/vLw30 42R8VWKoAJ6i7crqMwq0bXtsDeN/Qw== X-Received: by 10.107.153.65 with SMTP id b62mr2246954ioe.142.1501843684437; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 03:48:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001a01d2ff15$5f6ed1e0$1e4c75a0$@nict.go.jp> In-Reply-To: From: Adam Montville Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:47:53 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" , Takeshi Takahashi , "mile@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1140f3c051b39a0555eb3b3c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mile] Working group last call for XMPP-grid X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:48:09 -0000 --001a1140f3c051b39a0555eb3b3c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable :-) No worries. I'll try responses inline. Note that I'm about to head on vacation for two weeks. I'll be paying attention, but response times may lag. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:27 AM Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) < ncamwing@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi Adam, > > > > Many thanks for a prompt review! And it appears that I culled too much s= o > please see further comments/questions below: > > > > *From: *mile on behalf of Adam Montville < > adam.w.montville@gmail.com> > *Date: *Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 6:04 AM > *To: *Takeshi Takahashi , "mile@ietf.org" < > mile@ietf.org> > > > *Subject: *Re: [mile] Working group last call for XMPP-grid > > > > Take (and everyone), > > > > I have read through this latest revision of the draft and find that I am > still somewhat confused - not about the intent of the draft, I think, but > of how it qualifies as something that is standards track (I could be > speaking from ignorance here, so please educate me where necessary). > > > > To me, the draft is at heart an XMPP configuration guide, to put it > simply. For example, I don't see too much I would need to implement (asid= e > from a deferred XEP for IODEF - see my last comment below), but I do see > many requirements pertaining to the configuration/operation of, say, > ejabberd in my enterprise. > > > > [NCW] Perhaps I did indeed cut too much in my endeavor for simplicity, > readability and presumptions of XMPP knowledge. It has been a while sinc= e > I saw the XEP 268, so was remiss in keep abreast its status. I can pull > out the considerations for this and how IODEF would be defined as an XMPP > =E2=80=9Ctopic=E2=80=9D that can be discoverable and shared (perhaps usin= g the IODEF > Guidance guidelines too). I can check with David and Peter on XMPP > guidelines on this matter as well. > [AWM] This seems reasonable. Mostly, I'm trying to wrap my head around how I would (hypothetically) go about operating such a service, and it's not super clear to me. > > > > > I feel like the real meat of the problem is punted, and perhaps that is > intentional given the narrow IODEF-specific scope. To me, the harder > problem is gaining industry-wide understanding of the discoverable > capabilities within the ecosystem XMPP-grid (I presume) seeks to enable. > Without this, there's very little hope of "plug and play" security > infrastructure in a given enterprise. > > [NCW] Yea, so the intent was to be able to show the broader notion, but I > thought I was responding to other comments for readability with the > understanding that the discovery extension (XEP-0030) would be sufficient= . > Would it help to bring back some of the XMPP XML samples (some are cited = in > XEP-0030 but I can make them relevant to IODEF discovery)? > [AWM] The broader notion is important! I'm not sure that XML samples would help in this regard, but perhaps some additional language about what IODEF-specific capabilities would be expected to be discovered? > > > The following are my current specific comments on this draft (more may > follow, but this seems like a bit for now): > > - At several points the draft talks about "telemetry", and I remember > someone (I think it may have been Henk) describing to me that this has > special meaning avoiding real-time-ish or event-ish information. First= , is > there a need to define what is meant by "telemetry"? Second, is there = a > reason to limit to "telemetry" given this is a draft seeking to establ= ish > the communications infrastructure for a security program's ecosystem? > (Maybe that's not the intent of the draft, but if it's not, then there= 's a > whole front-end of activities on the orchestration or command and cont= rol > fronts that still need to be addressed in this space, and I would ques= tion > the utility of any approach unconcerned with the full breadth of secur= ity > program communications needs.) > > [NCW] The intent is really to say that we want to share measured > (observed?) information relevant to security. Would it simplify to just > remove the term? Or state it as =E2=80=9Cobserved information=E2=80=9D? > [AWM] I think I like the direction of "observed information", but please note that this particular comment isn't a strenuous objection, but more of a probe for deeper understanding. > > - Is there a reason we couldn't replace "transport and communication" > for "messaging"? This seems cleaner, and removes any of the ambiguity > around "transport" when we're at a context that may sometimes be on th= e > network level and sometimes not. (See, for example, the first sentence= of > the first paragraph of the Introduction.) > > [NCW] Ah, I think it is likely to be =E2=80=9Ctransfer=E2=80=9D as that i= s what I was > asked to remoniker in the Requirements draft. > [AWM] Fair enough. > > - In the terminology, the way "capability provider" and "publisher" > are defined, they seem synonymous. It's clear that "publisher" is bein= g set > up as a subclass of "capability provider" (i.e. "publisher is a capabi= lity > provider that..."), but beyond that there's no clear qualification tha= t > would make an instance "publisher" distinct from some other instance o= f > "capability provider". I'm not sure how to fix this, but recommend tha= t you > ask what would come after "that" in the following sentence fragment: "= A > publisher is a capability provider that..." > > [NCW] I can just converge and use =E2=80=9Cpublisher=E2=80=9D only, would= that help? > [AWM] I'm not sure (and I'm curious as to what others think about this. To me, the discovery features of this solution would allow my ecosystem to discover components capable of performing specific tasks (i.e. those components that provide capabilities). Those capability providers would, in turn, publish specific information using specific data models and serializations. So, there seems to be a distinction, though I'm not sure how important it is to call out. How about "A publisher is a capability provider that contributes information pertaining to its capability to the XMPP grid" or something like that? I'm not sure if that's helpful or makes things more confusing. > > - Proposed text for "subscriber" definition: An entity participating > in XMPP-Grid by consuming information on a subscription basis from one= or > more publishers also participating in the XMPP-Grid. > > [NCW] OK, will update in the next revision. > > - The XMPP-Grid Controller is simply an XMPP Server by my read. Is > there a compelling reason not to simply call it such? > > [NCW] You are correct, I can simplify > > - This is a draft about communicating IODEF information over an XMPP > infrastructure, and as such it points to (as a normative reference) > XEP-0268 (see https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0268.html). > Unfortunately, that normatively references a XEP containing a clear > warning: "WARNING: This document has been automatically Deferred after= 12 > months of inactivity in its previous Experimental state. Implementatio= n of > the protocol described herein is not recommended for production system= s. > However, exploratory implementations are encouraged to resume the stan= dards > process." I'm not an expert, but I wouldn't want this draft to proceed= by > effectively standardizing something that was experimental, but has bee= n > deferred for inactivity, which tells me that it's effectively dead (XS= F > folks may have a different opinion, and I'll obviously defer to them, = as > I'm not too knowledgable of the XSF process). > > [NCW] Admittedly, I had not seen the note (as its been a while since I > looked at the XEP-0268), so I can make adjustments to not use it but > incorporate its intent in this draft. > > > > I want to see standardization of a communications infrastructure > supporting an ecosystem of software and tools commonly used in the > implementation of a security program. It's not clear to me how this draft > furthers that goal. Either the draft simply doesn't accomplish that for > lack of specification, or it's not clear enough (to me) to see how that > enablement happens (even for IODEF given the "non-normative normative" > reference to XEP-0268). > > > > Therefore, it's not clear to me how this draft could proceed as standards > track, though I hope there is a way we can see this happen (I'm not sure = an > informational draft would be as well-received nor helpful). > > [NCW] The intent is to show the IODEF as a data model that can be shared > in a publish/subscribe ecosystem such as XMPP. Given the scope of IODEF,= I > did remove the notion of how the discovery works based on the notion that > XEP-0030 can be used. I can put those samples back, as well as > incorporating more details of the IODEF as its own namespace and > =E2=80=9Ccapability=E2=80=9D that can be discovered and then shared. I b= elieve that is > what makes it normative (e.g. standards based) along with the notion of > having IANA be a registry for the data models that can be conveyed thru > XMPP for information sharing. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Adam > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:57 AM Takeshi Takahashi < > takeshi_takahashi@nict.go.jp> wrote: > > Hello all, > > Based on the discussion at the MILE session in Prague, let us re-initiate > the WGLC for draft-ietf-mile-xmpp-grid. > The version to be reviewed is > https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-mile-xmpp-grid-03.txt > > We will have 1 month for this call. > Please provide comments before August 18th and provide your support and/ = or > raise any issue you feel are yet to be addressed. > > Thank you. > Take > > > _______________________________________________ > mile mailing list > mile@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mile > > --001a1140f3c051b39a0555eb3b3c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
:-) No worries. I'll try responses inline. Note that I= 'm about to head on vacation for two weeks. I'll be paying attentio= n, but response times may lag.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:27 AM Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) <ncamwing@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Adam,

=C2=A0

Many thanks for a prompt review!=C2=A0 And it appears that I culled too mu= ch so please see further comments/questions below:

=C2=A0

F= rom: mile <mile-bounces@ietf.org> = on behalf of Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 6:04 AM
To: Takeshi Takahashi <takeshi_takahashi@nict.go.jp>, "mile@ietf.org" <mile@ietf.org>

Subject: Re: [mile] Working group last call for XMPP-grid<= /u>

=C2=A0

Take (and everyone),=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I have read through this latest revision of the draf= t and find that I am still somewhat confused - not about the intent of the = draft, I think, but of how it qualifies as something that is standards trac= k (I could be speaking from ignorance here, so please educate me where necessary).=C2=A0

=C2=A0

To me, the draft is at heart an XMPP configuration g= uide, to put it simply. For example, I don't see too much I would need = to implement (aside from a deferred XEP for IODEF - see my last comment bel= ow), but I do see many requirements pertaining to the configuration/operation of, say, ejabberd in my enterprise.=C2=A0 <= u>

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<= div>

[NCW] Perhaps I did indeed cut too much in my endeavor for s= implicity, readability and presumptions of XMPP knowledge.=C2=A0 It has bee= n a while since I saw the XEP 268, so was remiss in keep abreast its status.=C2=A0 I can pull out the considerations for this and h= ow IODEF would be defined as an XMPP =E2=80=9Ctopic=E2=80=9D that can be di= scoverable and shared (perhaps using the IODEF Guidance guidelines too).=C2= =A0 I can check with David and Peter on XMPP guidelines on this matter as well.

=

[AWM] This seems reasonable. Mostly, I'm trying to = wrap my head around how I would (hypothetically) go about operating such a = service, and it's not super clear to me.
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=C2=A0

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I feel like the real meat of the problem is punted, = and perhaps that is intentional given the narrow IODEF-specific scope. To m= e, the harder problem is gaining industry-wide understanding of the discove= rable capabilities within the ecosystem XMPP-grid (I presume) seeks to enable. Without this, there's very litt= le hope of "plug and play" security infrastructure in a given ent= erprise.

[NCW] Yea, so the intent wa= s to be able to show the broader notion, but I thought I was responding to = other comments for readability with the understanding that the discovery ex= tension (XEP-0030) would be sufficient.=C2=A0 Would it help to bring back some of the XMPP XML samples (some are cited in XEP-0030 but I can ma= ke them relevant to IODEF discovery)?


[AWM] The broader notion is important! I= 'm not sure that XML samples would help in this regard, but perhaps som= e additional language about what IODEF-specific capabilities would be expec= ted to be discovered?
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The following are my current specific comments on th= is draft (more may follow, but this seems like a bit for now):

<= div>
  • At several points the draft talks about "telemetry", and I rememb= er someone (I think it may have been Henk) describing to me that this has s= pecial meaning avoiding real-time-ish or event-ish information. First, is t= here a need to define what is meant by "telemetry"? Second, is there a reason to limit to "telemetry" given this is = a draft seeking to establish the communications infrastructure for a securi= ty program's ecosystem? (Maybe that's not the intent of the draft, = but if it's not, then there's a whole front-end of activities on the orchestration or command and control fronts that still n= eed to be addressed in this space, and I would question the utility of any = approach unconcerned with the full breadth of security program communicatio= ns needs.)

[NCW] The intent is really to say that we want to share measured (observed?= ) information relevant to security.=C2=A0 Would it simplify to just remove = the term?=C2=A0 Or state it as =E2=80=9Cobserved information=E2=80=9D?

<= /div>

[AWM] I= think I like the direction of "observed information", but please= note that this particular comment isn't a strenuous objection, but mor= e of a probe for deeper understanding.
=

  • Is there a reason we couldn't replace "transport and communication= " for "messaging"? This seems cleaner, and removes any of th= e ambiguity around "transport" when we're at a context that m= ay sometimes be on the network level and sometimes not. (See, for example, the first sentence of the first paragraph of the Introduction.)<= /u>

[NCW] Ah, I think it is likely to be =E2=80=9Ctransfer=E2=80=9D as that is = what I was asked to remoniker in the Requirements draft.


[AWM] Fair enough.=C2= =A0

  • In the terminology, the way "capability provider" and "publi= sher" are defined, they seem synonymous. It's clear that "pub= lisher" is being set up as a subclass of "capability provider&quo= t; (i.e. "publisher is a capability provider that..."), but beyon= d that there's no clear qualification that would make an instance "publisher" d= istinct from some other instance of "capability provider". I'= m not sure how to fix this, but recommend that you ask what would come afte= r "that" in the following sentence fragment: "A publisher is a capability provider that..."=C2=A0

[NCW] I can just converge and use =E2=80=9Cpublisher=E2=80=9D only, would t= hat help?


[AWM] I'm not sure (and I'm curious as to what others think = about this. To me, the discovery features of this solution would allow my e= cosystem to discover components capable of performing specific tasks (i.e. = those components that provide capabilities). Those capability providers wou= ld, in turn, publish specific information using specific data models and se= rializations. So, there seems to be a distinction, though I'm not sure = how important it is to call out. How about "A publisher is a capabilit= y provider that contributes information pertaining to its capability to the= XMPP grid" or something like that? I'm not sure if that's hel= pful or makes things more confusing.=C2=A0

<= /div>
  • Proposed text for "subscriber" definition: An entity participatin= g in XMPP-Grid by consuming information on a subscription basis from one or= more publishers also participating in the XMPP-Grid.

[NCW] OK, will update in the next revision.

  • The XMPP-Grid Controller is simply an XMPP Server by my read. Is there a co= mpelling reason not to simply call it such?

[NCW] You are correct, I can simplify

  • This is a draft about communicating IODEF information over an XMPP infrastr= ucture, and as such it points to (as a normative reference) XEP-0268 (see= =C2=A0https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0268.html). Unfortunately, that normatively references a XEP containing a clear warning: "WARNIN= G: This document has been automatically Deferred after 12 months of inactiv= ity in its previous Experimental state. Implementation of the protocol desc= ribed herein is not recommended for production systems. However, exploratory implementations are encouraged to resume the= standards process." I'm not an expert, but I wouldn't want th= is draft to proceed by effectively standardizing something that was experim= ental, but has been deferred for inactivity, which tells me that it's effectively dead (XSF folks may have a differ= ent opinion, and I'll obviously defer to them, as I'm not too knowl= edgable of the XSF process).

[NCW] Admittedly, I had not seen the note (as its been a while since I look= ed at the XEP-0268), so I can make adjustments to not use it but incorporat= e its intent in this draft.

=C2=A0

I want to see standardization of a communications in= frastructure supporting an ecosystem of software and tools commonly used in= the implementation of a security program. It's not clear to me how thi= s draft furthers that goal. Either the draft simply doesn't accomplish that for lack of specification, or it&= #39;s not clear enough (to me) to see how that enablement happens (even for= IODEF given the "non-normative normative" reference to XEP-0268)= .

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Therefore, it's not clear to me how this draft c= ould proceed as standards track, though I hope there is a way we can see th= is happen (I'm not sure an informational draft would be as well-receive= d nor helpful).

[NCW]=C2=A0 The intent is t= o show the IODEF as a data model that can be shared in a publish/subscribe = ecosystem such as XMPP.=C2=A0 Given the scope of IODEF, I did remove the no= tion of how the discovery works based on the notion that XEP-0030 can be used.=C2=A0 I can put those samples back, as well as incorporating more= details of the IODEF as its own namespace and =E2=80=9Ccapability=E2=80=9D= that can be discovered and then shared.=C2=A0 I believe that is what makes= it normative (e.g. standards based) along with the notion of having IANA be a registry for the data models that can be conveyed thru= XMPP for information sharing.

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=C2=A0

Kind regards,

=C2=A0

Adam

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On 7/30/17 7:04 AM, Adam Montville wrote: > * This is a draft about communicating IODEF information over an XMPP > infrastructure, and as such it points to (as a normative reference) > XEP-0268 (see https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0268.html). That specification defined a way to use IODEF for communication among XMPP servers for the purpose of improving operation of the XMPP network, whereas draft-ietf-mile-xmpp-grid defines a way to use XMPP as the transport for communication of IODEF data among non-XMPP entities. The two use cases are very different, and thus the MILE spec should not normatively reference XEP-0268. 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Mon, 07 Aug 2017 09:20:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.246.166 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2017 09:20:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7933b1e60e344c6db7dceda93b357fe3@XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com> From: John Field Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 12:20:01 -0400 Message-ID: To: Adam Montville Cc: "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" , "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" , "mile@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c18144088df205562c386b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mile] ROLIE for Standards track? X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2017 16:20:05 -0000 --001a11c18144088df205562c386b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 Thanks, John On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Adam Montville wrote: > +1 here also. > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:55 PM Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) < > pkampana@cisco.com> wrote: > >> +1 for standards track. >> >> >> >> *From:* mile [mailto:mile-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Nancy >> Cam-Winget (ncamwing) >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 02, 2017 8:10 PM >> *To:* mile@ietf.org >> *Subject:* [mile] ROLIE for Standards track? >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Back in IETF 97 (Seoul), we discussed moving ROLIE from Informational to >> Standards track with participants being in favor. However, I was remiss= in >> confirming this over the mail list=E2=80=A6.SO, >> >> In order to move this forward as I think the draft is ready other than >> its category. >> >> >> >> I=E2=80=99d like to ask the mail list: >> >> - Should MILE adopt https://datatracker.ietf.org/ >> doc/draft-ietf-mile-rolie/ as a Standards track document? >> >> >> >> Please respond by August 16th so that we can move this item forward. >> >> >> >> Kind regards, Nancy >> _______________________________________________ >> mile mailing list >> mile@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mile >> > > _______________________________________________ > mile mailing list > mile@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mile > > --=20 John P. Field | Security PM | Pivotal Direct: (908) 962-3394 | jfield@ pivotal.io --001a11c18144088df205562c386b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Thanks,
John

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017= at 5:08 PM, Adam Montville <adam.w.montville@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 here als= o.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:55 PM Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) <pkampana@cisco.com>= wrote:

+1 fo= r standards track.

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From:= mile [mailto:mile-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 8:10 PM
To: mile@ietf.org=
Subject: [mile] ROLIE for Standards track?

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Hi,

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Back in IETF 97 (Se= oul), we discussed moving ROLIE from Informational to Standards track with = participants being in favor.=C2=A0 However, I was remiss in confirming this= over the mail list=E2=80=A6.SO,

In order to move th= is forward as I think the draft is ready other than its category.=

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I=E2=80=99d like to= ask the mail list:

-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Should MILE ad= opt https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-rolie/ as a Stand= ards track document?

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Please respond by A= ugust 16th so that we can move this item forward.<= /span>

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Kind regards, Nancy=

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--001a11c18144088df205562c386b-- From nobody Fri Aug 11 14:05:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietf.org Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498D4132409; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:05:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.58.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance@ietf.org, mile@ietf.org, Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com, ncamwing@cisco.com, mile-chairs@ietf.org Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <150248554429.24414.7411582800708800185.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:05:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [mile] Last Call: (IODEF Usage Guidance) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 21:05:44 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange WG (mile) to consider the following document: - 'IODEF Usage Guidance' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-08-25. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract The Incident Object Description Exchange Format v2 [RFC7970] defines a data representation that provides a framework for sharing information commonly exchanged by Computer Security Incident Response Teams (CSIRTs) about computer security incidents. Since the IODEF model includes a wealth of available options that can be used to describe a security incident or issue, it can be challenging for security practitioners to develop tools that can leverage IODEF for incident sharing. This document provides guidelines for IODEF implementers. It also addresses how common security indicators can be represented in IODEF and use-cases of how IODEF is being used. This document aims to make IODEF's adoption by vendors easier and encourage faster and wider adoption of the model by Computer Security Incident Response Teams (CSIRTs) around the world. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Tue Aug 22 23:30:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DE713233D for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:30:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lFBohrX6kOMX for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.nict.go.jp (ns2.nict.go.jp [IPv6:2001:df0:232:300::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE2D132194 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw2.nict.go.jp (gw2.nict.go.jp [133.243.18.251]) by ns2.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id v7N6U5bP021042; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:30:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail1.nict.go.jp (mail1.nict.go.jp [133.243.18.14]) by gw2.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id v7N6U5eY021036; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:30:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from LAPTOP9DLCDU5S (unknown [133.243.29.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.nict.go.jp (NICT Mail Spool Server1) with ESMTPS id 0281ACDB9; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:30:05 +0900 (JST) From: "Takeshi Takahashi" To: , Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:31:04 +0900 Message-ID: <000a01d31bd9$659568a0$30c039e0$@nict.go.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01D31C24.D57DACE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: ja Thread-Index: AdMb2QBOKeh+Q59VQZ2DPeHrUaDuig== X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at zenith2 X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: [mile] some minor coorrections for RFC7970 and its schema X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 06:30:26 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D31C24.D57DACE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Roman and all, Based on the discussion at the Prague meeting, let me propose the following corrections for RFC7970 and its schema. [Proposed changes to the IODEFv2 schema registered at the IANA website] Change #1: unnecessary space in the schemaLocation of xmldsig-core-schema.xsd was removed Change #2: unnecessary space in the schemaLocation of iodef-enum-1.0.xsd was removed Change #3: unnecessary space in the schemaLocation of iodef-sci-1.0.xsd was removed Change #4 The minOccurs of the URL was defined in the ThreatActor class. (Otherwise, the schema does not allow us to omit the URL element.) Change #5 the "ext-value" was not supported by the above enum value. Therefore, the bulkobservable-type-type was fixed to allow the value "ext-value". FYI: The attached file is the revised schema file. [Proposed correction to the RFC7970] The IODEFv2 schema is embedded in the RFC7970. Therefore, the above correction needs to be reflected to the RFC7970 as well. In addition to that, in the example in Section 7.2, the current text has the following line. However, "fqdn" is not a qualified value. We may use "domain-name" or "ext-value". If the schema is going to be revised, we will work on the JSON schema based on the revised one. 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X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 04:56:07 -0000 +1 for standards track Take 2017-08-08 1:20 GMT+09:00 John Field : > +1 > > Thanks, > John > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Adam Montville > wrote: >> >> +1 here also. >> >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:55 PM Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) >> wrote: >>> >>> +1 for standards track. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: mile [mailto:mile-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Cam-Winget >>> (ncamwing) >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 8:10 PM >>> To: mile@ietf.org >>> Subject: [mile] ROLIE for Standards track? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> Back in IETF 97 (Seoul), we discussed moving ROLIE from Informational t= o >>> Standards track with participants being in favor. However, I was remis= s in >>> confirming this over the mail list=E2=80=A6.SO, >>> >>> In order to move this forward as I think the draft is ready other than >>> its category. >>> >>> >>> >>> I=E2=80=99d like to ask the mail list: >>> >>> - Should MILE adopt >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-rolie/ as a Standards = track >>> document? >>> >>> >>> >>> Please respond by August 16th so that we can move this item forward. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards, Nancy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mile mailing list >>> mile@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mile >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mile mailing list >> mile@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mile >> > > > > -- > > John P. Field | Security PM | Pivotal > > Direct: (908) 962-3394 | jfield@pivotal.io > > > _______________________________________________ > mile mailing list > mile@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mile > --=20 -- Takeshi Takahashi, Ph.D., CISSP, PMP "Practice makes perfect!" From nobody Fri Aug 25 18:13:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CA41326E8; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:13:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l0txkbUqGJwD; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x22b.google.com (mail-pf0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2C4B1321AE; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id k3so219144pfc.3; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:13:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=UiNw2aNnB3nGV4hkjOjazA/n774E0VnBcNLImSJk/CI=; b=PlExK8FhKlJxX4Q9Avh58n2laA57cQWrQNEv8oNV+cEoYEvBFVWm9I2GJmKPWPXbks BtFqqTpHR2p0/NBhR/gfz1OgQrgzVujFj9tGhBt5EwhcuxpAt/X6lPUQPlhVlSzfhLXu pWJ14F79WZki+HH+k6cfwB96ccgnHzg0/AjbNQEl9VJuSYv7eT2NoANBaYJBtggM5a8F e3ZmYuqE9n8xayMi2yLRyWJsp3SOeWMpzGnOboXr1eLVMZcJnMPtp3ieaJsxC31hhxyG 6AdOkKznVEqjn9qq9wm7NEWAmphmBoq9Ik2Ma+WFi549+0hTukAVvuut4UI3Lch+j6aM cAqg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UiNw2aNnB3nGV4hkjOjazA/n774E0VnBcNLImSJk/CI=; b=lXsQicpFrfClaLmDVaMf2L7YUpWu1VSYWhJqXOWJyokZEJinMoK7eEK+yTjb0VZF3p qfKH8dISBg/dqxnWoZayW5BFDuv0w4l0SPdbYN2SWHCqWJtNevSenlNO0knwkiJqfotg OBVMwRBI4PBkbzcx0pUlfJnCi7cAnQrBlrLGKSHkXOcUmjxpVufpAi+CbDQgqiNJpQ4y Yr5Hk6XKkEHlp+i6AL+GbJlApe0N+e9VpExzA5ubCgNfd9u4RA3OLH614/MCrh5oU4bT GpUvX8mXFiwNP6uX2yqtNz7aCHVVRxz8GeJMhCTiGPZ2I4lMzavyvUzC0iOIDcj7hAyL HIRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5hhqkbBtfme3mXGiX71rw3gDtMdmaSvQ3V91MN1VK0IFmGR/+9o eV2zH1WghuHYgEqxWGGrpmeBPNk/2Q== X-Received: by 10.98.63.14 with SMTP id m14mr308646pfa.261.1503710024297; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:13:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.144.1 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:13:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 21:13:03 -0400 Message-ID: To: Meral Shirazipour , MILE IETF Cc: "draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance.all@tools.ietf.org" , "gen-art@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mile] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10 X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 01:13:46 -0000 Thank you for the review and nits! Kathleen On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Meral Shirazipour wrote: > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review > Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for > the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call > comments. > > > > For more information, please see the FAQ at > . > > > > Document: draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10 > > Reviewer: Meral Shirazipour > > Review Date: 2017-08-22 > > IETF LC End Date: 2017-08-25 > > IESG Telechat date: 2017-08-31 > > > > > > Summary: This draft is ready to be published as Informational RFC but I have > comments. > > > > Major issues: > > > > Minor issues: > > > > > > Nits/editorial comments: > > -[Page 3], "should chose"---->"should choose" > > -[Page 4], "language an the"---->"language and the" > > -[Page 5], "that an successful"---->"that a successful" > > -[Page 6], "can cary greatly"---->"can caryy greatly" > > -[Page 8], "excercise"---->"exercise" > > -[Page 8],"compteting"---->"competing" > > > > > > Best Regards, > > Meral > > --- > > Meral Shirazipour > > Ericsson > > Research > > www.ericsson.com -- Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Fri Aug 25 18:24:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640931321AE; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:23:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vxymiDC6RXQR; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x22c.google.com (mail-pf0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2ACEE13219A; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id k3so261892pfc.3; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:23:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BXg1T2wlz2AXxoAxQbzS4Ng7thYSWqIe5DbyIp4yDvQ=; b=MO4HAoGW4VlTpavMwIfYa6+qgEr5PFHChJLgLzwZOJitwauBToA7icydSxJ+cuV+dF IIE/Ot6CEYOMAMHGsrVKCJ4S80iG1rowkxWqT72OJG9sh0H4fQV+SYPr6foD88VbkVoy iWu92kX4rDugM2lFp9Nt91vAAnz8K44MYV9Szp7125i5WhH2XqCmrLPfo/EAisFTpF0B sU2XwV/dqqk4GKlypN802s9VHhIGKLI7QpuTui4iIou6d12doBup9+YlmvW6rizgBNbc HAWq38wDam+gfN33oAs7iB7yELw35+jsNueRorw2BtI3Pw5Ki3ZOgzhrhUrdBZF5AEY4 oJYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BXg1T2wlz2AXxoAxQbzS4Ng7thYSWqIe5DbyIp4yDvQ=; b=OzFftBTYyLj0ik4ahb6QvoBuiU0oa1PkYVynt8VlHN//Xfr7aa5pJvXsoQPdFHBANr kxtSJkkbnrbHvJTjkBlOJWvdFqCGZi9b1cNRv4GTODZbluTTULdD+KBu5e3nIEbhD295 Nfxyo/o5L/OxxEyrOm6NkF/n/M8xr+4d4j/FXrQXmIHpFOFdkD4w0wua96Km0qz3YdaH aPK/KSKZpH4o63u1bz7UlBP9apEnk0pHMZ8nWGR+1f4/eJdjeANSC44c0oqAdzfZIR59 LREv/nig8HDe+clLhpfhF852M9ksvqpPh+cPpy8AEetb7jFf3WG2xtaoX1xZ49gkf+VS c4Zw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5gnukS6EczZphwFmaNxeJIffajWGso/W2qKpixNNlAcnk7Uirnd 1pLE5lCsy/cHgVc9C4iDEELdCk791A== X-Received: by 10.99.99.5 with SMTP id x5mr354881pgb.13.1503710631672; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:23:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.144.1 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:23:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 21:23:11 -0400 Message-ID: To: Qin Wu , MILE IETF Cc: "ops-dir@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance.all@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mile] OPS-DIR Review of draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10 X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 01:23:57 -0000 Thank you for your review. The editors will respond and update as needed. Copying mile to help with the response. Best regards, Kathleen On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Qin Wu wrote: > I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate's > ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. > These comments were written with the intent of improving the operational > aspects of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call = may > be included in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and W= G > chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments= . > > > > Summary: > > This document provides usage guideline for The Incident Object Descriptio= n > Exchange Format v2. > > It is almost ready for publication. The readability needs to be improved = a > little bit. > > Major Issues: > > Section 3.1, 3rd paragraph: > > Confused, Which elements are required by IODEF v2 specification? Email or > type and role attributes? Isn=E2=80=99t contact class part of IODEF v2 > specification? > > Section 5.2 2nd paragraph said: > > =E2=80=9C > > Interoperability between RID agents and the standards, Use of > > [RFC6545] and [RFC6546], were also proven in this exercise. > > =E2=80=9C > > Interoperability between RID agents or Interoperability between RID agent= s > and standards? > > Use of[RFC6545] and [RFC6546] is proven? Please make clear in the text. > > > > Minor Issues: > > Section 3.1 2nd paragraph: > > Consistent with the figure in section 3.1 > > s/ minimal Incident class needs/ minimal-style Incident class needs > > Section 3.2 4th paragraph: > > OLD TEXT: > > =E2=80=9C > > For use-cases where indicators need to be described, the > > IndicatorData class its classes will be implemented instead of the > > EventData class. > > =E2=80=9C > > NEW TEXT: > > =E2=80=9C > > For use-cases where indicators need to be described, the > > IndicatorData class will be implemented instead of the > > EventData class. > > =E2=80=9D > > Section 3.2 last paragraph: > > s/ relavant/relevant > > Section 4.1 > > OLD TEXT: > > =E2=80=9C > > As > > external enumerations can cary greatly, implementers SHOULD only > > support external enumerations that are expected to describe their > > specific use-cases. > > > > =E2=80=9D > > NEW TEXT: > > =E2=80=9C > > As external enumerations can be carried greatly, implementers SHOULD only > > support external enumerations that are expected to describe their > > specific use-cases. > > > > =E2=80=9D > > Section 4.3 > > OLD TEXT: > > =E2=80=9C > > The Indicator class can include references to other > > indicators, observables and more classes the contain details about > > the indicator. > > =E2=80=9D > > NEW TEXT: > > =E2=80=9C > > The Indicator class can include references to other > > indicators, observables and more classes the contain details about > > the indicator. > > =E2=80=9D > > Section 5.1 > > OLD TEXT: > > =E2=80=9C > > Section 7 also > > includes practical IODEF use guidelines. > > =E2=80=9D > > NEW TEXT: > > =E2=80=9C > > =E2=80=9C > > Section 7 also > > includes practical IODEF usage guidelines. > > =E2=80=9D > > > > =E2=80=9D > > Section 5.2 1st paragraph: > > s/ compteting /competing > > Nits: > > Please run nit-check to fix 3 errors and 3 warnings. > > > > -Qin --=20 Best regards, Kathleen From nobody Tue Aug 29 16:07:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietf.org Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A301326BB; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 16:07:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance@ietf.org, mile-chairs@ietf.org, ncamwing@cisco.com, mile@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.59.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150404804107.21445.3865722523779300659.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 16:07:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [mile] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 23:07:21 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm confused by the use of 2119 language in this document. Some of it seems to restate requirements already defined elsewhere. Some of it seems too vague for 2119 keywords (e.g. "SHOULD consider"). The rest seems like BCP material rather than informational, since it seems to say that we recommend people do certain things rather than describe choices and consequences. The latter is reasonable for an informational RFC, but the former belongs in standards track documents or BCPs. I suggest that the 2119 language be removed, the 2119 boilerplate be replaced with something that more accurately describes the intended meaning of MUST and SHOULD, or that you reconsider the intended status. IDNits calls out some issues that should be considered. (e.g. lack of an IANA considerations section.) Otherwise, I have a number of editorial comments: - General: This draft uses a lot of words (and repetition) to convey some very basic concepts. A good part of it could be summarized as "Don't include objects you don't need". Please consider editing for conciseness. - Title: Please expand IODEF in the title. - Abstract: It's only necessary to expand CSIRT on the first mention in the abstract. -1, first paragraph: Please mention the acronym IODEF the first time you expand it. -3, first paragraph: " It is important for IODEF implementers to be able to distinguish how the IODEF classes will be used in incident information exchanges. To do that one has to follow a strategy according to which of the various IODEF classes will be implemented. I don't understand the point of the second sentence. It seems to restate the idea from the first sentence in a more complicated way. -3.3, 2nd paragraph: I have trouble following the first sentence. I _think_ this paragraph seeks to distinguish attempted attacks from successful attacks, without actually using those terms. -4, section title: What kind of considerations? I assume the entire document is about considerations of one form or another. -4.1: s/cary/vary -4.1, 3rd paragraph: "IODEF implementers SHOULD NOT consider using" Does this mean "SHOULD NOT use"? (we can't really mandate what they consider.) -4.4 "SHOULD be treated carefully": That's vague for a 2119 keyword--can you offer more concrete guidance? (Or avoid the keyword?) "SHOULD consider" - also vague. -5.1: It's not clear whether "section 7" refers to this document or to [implementreport]. -5.2: Please expand RID on first mention. s/compteting/competing From nobody Wed Aug 30 03:19:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietf.org Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66D3132E16; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 03:19:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benoit Claise To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance@ietf.org, mile-chairs@ietf.org, ncamwing@cisco.com, mile@ietf.org, Qin Wu X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.59.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150408835087.21627.1295197776346818174.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 03:19:10 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [mile] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:19:11 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I noted the exact same point as Ben regarding the intended status. This is really a BCP, right? https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-5 However, I believe the combination of BCP and RFC2119 language is fine. If I take a single sentence, as an example: An IODEF document MUST include at least an Incident class, an xml:lang attribute that defines the supported language an the IODEF version attribute. Is this a specification coming from RFC 7970 (which I could not find, by browsing for a few minutes)? Or is this is a new specification of this "BCP"? See also Qin's OPS DIR feedback. From nobody Wed Aug 30 06:48:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B769132ED4; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 06:48:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ng-8aGtjRhMm; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 06:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07BA4132D4B; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 06:48:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2057; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1504100934; x=1505310534; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=AZOqbpYgYmACnoVTdf0FNoVsHEnw+1kOF7fUks4bKcQ=; b=CwvSnluX0AbXwzpCq4u6mZN0WFlFKvwvJMVAu977AaFW5q4gFhM8KPPy 3eYsaLA900P8UjxivCp2SIjqBGB1UUWT6VRaIc2V7WX7AOGJ2QSRc/QMM uhUG5PNXetSi2CR9vagOiJEOrp9ZvkF+XVzvVDxOJcvEWi2LRByPBxlAn g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CYAADzwaZZ/4kNJK1eGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1pkgRUHjg6QGoFxlieCEiELhRsChCU/GAECAQEBAQEBAWsohRg?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAwEBJRMPJQsMBAIBCBEDAQEBAR4JBycLFAkIAgQBDQUIiikQrjs6i0YBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEdgyqCAoFOgWODKIppBaBsAodXjGqCG4VninK?= =?us-ascii?q?WQgEfOIENdxVJhxt2AYldAYEOAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.41,448,1498521600"; d="scan'208";a="477229335" Received: from alln-core-4.cisco.com ([173.36.13.137]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 30 Aug 2017 13:48:53 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-007.cisco.com (xch-rcd-007.cisco.com [173.37.102.17]) by alln-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v7UDmrxU027984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:48:53 GMT Received: from xch-aln-010.cisco.com (173.36.7.20) by XCH-RCD-007.cisco.com (173.37.102.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1263.5; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 08:48:53 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-010.cisco.com ([173.36.7.20]) by XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com ([173.36.7.20]) with mapi id 15.00.1263.000; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 08:48:53 -0500 From: "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" To: Kathleen Moriarty , Meral Shirazipour , MILE IETF CC: "draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance.all@tools.ietf.org" , "gen-art@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mile] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10 Thread-Index: AQHTHgiVI5V180Rz3Uy+9Kt5A7g0G6Kc8QTA Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:48:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [64.102.56.148] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mile] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10 X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:48:57 -0000 Thank you. All of these are addressed in the next iteration of the draft wh= ich will be posted with all the other IESG comments.=20 -----Original Message----- From: mile [mailto:mile-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Moriarty Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 9:13 PM To: Meral Shirazipour ; MILE IETF Cc: draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance.all@tools.ietf.org; gen-art@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mile] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guida= nce-10 Thank you for the review and nits! Kathleen On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Meral Shirazipour wrote: > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area=20 > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by=20 > the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like=20 > any other last call comments. > > > > For more information, please see the FAQ at=20 > . > > > > Document: draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10 > > Reviewer: Meral Shirazipour > > Review Date: 2017-08-22 > > IETF LC End Date: 2017-08-25 > > IESG Telechat date: 2017-08-31 > > > > > > Summary: This draft is ready to be published as Informational RFC but=20 > I have comments. > > > > Major issues: > > > > Minor issues: > > > > > > Nits/editorial comments: > > -[Page 3], "should chose"---->"should choose" > > -[Page 4], "language an the"---->"language and the" > > -[Page 5], "that an successful"---->"that a successful" > > -[Page 6], "can cary greatly"---->"can caryy greatly" > > -[Page 8], "excercise"---->"exercise" > > -[Page 8],"compteting"---->"competing" > > > > > > Best Regards, > > Meral > > --- > > Meral Shirazipour > > Ericsson > > Research > > www.ericsson.com --=20 Best regards, Kathleen _______________________________________________ mile mailing list mile@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mile From nobody Wed Aug 30 07:04:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2353D132E3D; 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30 Aug 2017 14:03:57 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-007.cisco.com (xch-aln-007.cisco.com [173.36.7.17]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v7UE3uvP012038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:03:57 GMT Received: from xch-aln-010.cisco.com (173.36.7.20) by XCH-ALN-007.cisco.com (173.36.7.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1263.5; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:03:56 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-010.cisco.com ([173.36.7.20]) by XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com ([173.36.7.20]) with mapi id 15.00.1263.000; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:03:56 -0500 From: "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" To: "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" , The IESG CC: "draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance@ietf.org" , "mile@ietf.org" , Qin Wu , "mile-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mile] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHTIXlu4s0sg3O7I0ymNFW8vddKK6Kc7Qtw Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:03:56 +0000 Message-ID: <0f63d28cbbbf4a51ab5638545a5b7746@XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com> References: <150408835087.21627.1295197776346818174.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <150408835087.21627.1295197776346818174.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [64.102.56.148] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mile] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:04:14 -0000 Thank you Benoit. Good catch on xml:lang. The "MUST" for xml:lang is not normative language w= e are introducing. It comes from RFC7970 where the XML schema for the Incid= ent class defines the xml:lang attribute as non-optional/mandatory. The tru= th is that the text in RFC7970 does not reflect that, as the text mentions = in as optional. The authors did intend to have xml:lang as mandatory as it = is in the XML schema, so we are trying to get the discrepancy in the text f= ixed in RFC7970 with an errata.=20 In summary, the "MUST" for xml:lang is not something new we are introducing= in this draft. Panos -----Original Message----- From: mile [mailto:mile-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Benoit Claise (bclai= se) Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 6:19 AM To: The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance@ietf.org; mile@ietf.org; Qin Wu ; mile-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [mile] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guida= nce-10: (with COMMENT) Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email= addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introduc= tory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I noted the exact same point as Ben regarding the intended status. This is really a BCP, right? https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-5 However, I believe the combination of BCP and RFC2119 language is fine. If I take a single sentence, as an example: An IODEF document MUST include at least an Incident class, an xml:lang attribute that defines the supported language an the IODEF version attribute. Is this a specification coming from RFC 7970 (which I could not find, by br= owsing for a few minutes)? Or is this is a new specification of this "BCP"? See also Qin's OPS DIR feedback. _______________________________________________ mile mailing list mile@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mile From nobody Wed Aug 30 08:58:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F195413213D; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 08:58:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 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30 Aug 2017 10:58:16 -0500 From: "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" To: Kathleen Moriarty , Qin Wu , MILE IETF CC: "draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance.all@ietf.org" , "ops-dir@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mile] OPS-DIR Review of draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10 Thread-Index: AQHTHgoJ4p8hwBe3zEmLI2jq/cO+EaKc/l9g Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:58:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [64.102.56.148] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mile] OPS-DIR Review of draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10 X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:58:20 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Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:28:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Warren Kumari To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance@ietf.org, mile-chairs@ietf.org, ncamwing@cisco.com, mile@ietf.org, bill.wu@huawei.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.59.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150412129792.21599.7418826747975474337.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:28:17 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [mile] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:28:18 -0000 Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll also echo Ben / Benoit's comments and also thank Qin Wu for the OpsDir review. I've just seen that you have responded to it, thank you. I especially don't understand the: "Interoperability between RID agents and the standards, Use of [RFC6545] and [RFC6546], were also proven in this exercise." -- is the "Use of" superfluous? I *think* so, and removing it fixes it, but I'm not quite sure what was intended. Many of the nit checker things seem simply to solve (like the use of non-documentation addresses) - these should be addressed. In addition I have some nits: Section3.1. "Minimal IODEF document IODEF includes one mandatory classes. " s/classes/class/ Section 3.2. Information represented " The implementer should carefully look into the schema and decide classes to implement (or not)." -- I think this is missing a "which" between "decide" and "classes". From nobody Wed Aug 30 19:21:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietf.org Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D4A1320BD; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:21:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suresh Krishnan To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance@ietf.org, mile-chairs@ietf.org, ncamwing@cisco.com, mile@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.59.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150414607774.16896.2084382126594552594.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:21:17 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [mile] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 02:21:18 -0000 Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Please use example IP addresses from one or more of the documentation blocks in RFC6890 exclusively instead of using RFC1918 private addresses mixed in (e.g. 10.1.1.1) From nobody Wed Aug 30 21:28:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietf.org Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F1C124207; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 21:28:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam Roach To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance@ietf.org, mile-chairs@ietf.org, ncamwing@cisco.com, mile@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.59.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150415370655.16892.11906802051251973830.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 21:28:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [mile] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 04:28:27 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with the other comments that this reads like a BCP, and should probably be re-characterized. The diagram in section 3.1 (which I would like to refer to by number but cannot -- consider adding figure numbers) appears to be using UML. While many software engineers will be familiar with this notation, it's likely that many also will not. A citation to ISO/IEC 19501:2005 to explain the meaning of the various symbols may be appropriate. Section 3.1 says "Implementers can refer to Appendix B and Section 7 of [RFC7970]..." which is ambiguous: it reads as if it is directing readers to Appendix B of RFC7970. I think it means Appendix B of this document. Suggest: "Implementers can refer to Section 7 of [RFC7970] and Appendix B...". Section 3.2 refers to the use of external schemata for reporting certain types of events. I would have expected to see guidance here (and/or in Section 4.2) indicating that the event report should be useful even for those implementations that don't comprehend these external schemata (unless this guidance already exists in the base IODEF definition; in which case, feel free to silently ignore this comment). It would be useful to provide a definition of the term "spear-phishing." ____ I assume the version of the ID Nits tool used to check this document varies from the one at . The following issues appear to be legitimate problems in need of addressing. If formatting of the XML documents without adding line breaks is considered critical (which seems possible but unlikely), consider base64-encoding them. ** The document seems to lack an IANA Considerations section. (See Section 2.2 of http://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist for how to handle the case when there are no actions for IANA.) ** There are 28 instances of too long lines in the document, the longest one being 53 characters in excess of 72. ** The abstract seems to contain references ([RFC7970]), which it shouldn't. Please replace those with straight textual mentions of the documents in question. == There are 2 instances of lines with private range IPv4 addresses in the document. If these are generic example addresses, they should be changed to use any of the ranges defined in RFC 6890 (or successor): 192.0.2.x, 198.51.100.x or 203.0.113.x. From nobody Thu Aug 31 08:26:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E796E120720; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 08:26:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32Fc1AUenDYt; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 08:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F44C13236D; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 08:26:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2614; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1504193200; x=1505402800; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=sPlEkFfIJE4hLS+eia1s9kPXusSlEZpl6RyhLFN9j7U=; b=PO2M37qoQ7doZ2+wy2QvoDwis0+0sA3II/dUp+7600cM8Pk9arQ7UdyP y3m5RgiDMHTnp2EFo8BMaW/NIrgNPd19XX0K8luIuQJhuYX9jcfnLMRcz 6uDz+I08xMeFlppr6Abj70YlciGND0IwEm6bMra9Inif3HRntKtx1F9YR 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CYAAAhKqhZ/5tdJa1eGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1pkgRUHjhCQHoFxlicOggQhC4UbAoQOPxgBAgEBAQEBAQFrKIU?= =?us-ascii?q?YAQEBAQMBATg0CwwEAgEIEQQBAR8JBycLFAkIAgQBDQUIiikQsCKLSQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARgFgyqCAoFOgWODKIRCARIBUYVCBYoDlmwCh1mMbYI?= =?us-ascii?q?chWeKdJZEAR84gQILdxVJhRgcGYFOdgGIGYEjgQ8BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.41,453,1498521600"; d="scan'208";a="477469734" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 31 Aug 2017 15:26:39 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-007.cisco.com (xch-rcd-007.cisco.com [173.37.102.17]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v7VFQd9O011808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:26:39 GMT Received: from xch-aln-010.cisco.com (173.36.7.20) by XCH-RCD-007.cisco.com (173.37.102.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1263.5; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 10:26:38 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-010.cisco.com ([173.36.7.20]) by XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com ([173.36.7.20]) with mapi id 15.00.1263.000; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 10:26:38 -0500 From: "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" To: Warren Kumari , The IESG CC: "draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance@ietf.org" , "mile@ietf.org" , "bill.wu@huawei.com" , "mile-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mile] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHTIcYokcSYtfoER0auv1DF8JdkS6Kehi8A Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:26:38 +0000 Message-ID: <03db4ab6dec24c628da6264d985fcbaa@XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com> References: <150412129792.21599.7418826747975474337.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <150412129792.21599.7418826747975474337.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.116.108.5] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mile] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:26:43 -0000 Thank you for the review Warren. We rephrased the sentence about interop to= " Interoperability between RID agents implementing [RFC6545"] [RFC6546] wa= s also confirmed. " so that it makes more sense. All the rest of the nits a= nd nit checker finds are also fixed. Also added a minimal IANA consideratio= ns section, since practically there are none.=20 We still owe responses and fixes for Ben's comments. Will do that soon.=20 Panos -----Original Message----- From: mile [mailto:mile-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:28 PM To: The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance@ietf.org; mile@ietf.org; bill.wu@huawei.= com; mile-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [mile] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guida= nce-10: (with COMMENT) Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email= addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introduc= tory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll also echo Ben / Benoit's comments and also thank Qin Wu for the OpsDir= review. I've just seen that you have responded to it, thank you. I especially don't understand the: "Interoperability between RID agents and the standards, Use of [RFC6545] a= nd [RFC6546], were also proven in this exercise." -- is the "Use of" superf= luous? I *think* so, and removing it fixes it, but I'm not quite sure what was int= ended. Many of the nit checker things seem simply to solve (like the use of non-do= cumentation addresses) - these should be addressed. In addition I have some nits: Section3.1. "Minimal IODEF document IODEF includes one mandatory classes. " s/classes/class/ Section 3.2. Information represented " The implementer should carefully look into the schema and decide classes= to implement (or not)." -- I think this is missing a "which" between "deci= de" and "classes". _______________________________________________ mile mailing list mile@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mile From nobody Thu Aug 31 09:47:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mile@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D576A132025; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 09:47:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5__2fGHG5Ep4; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 09:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED666132DFA; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 09:47:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1487; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1504198053; x=1505407653; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=3HPv5ZLwevwWoI8Bv4cpt7O4LGFmdRKZED5NmsZ+TNY=; b=Rfpt8KOZtEuiVdo3Ue/q6KquROn2BRB9fKwVYg3ciLX34ZHAY+6pXTAg X8sAfVzTDwi+k8zGiszpwhdfuR3R3T78aTKDe5+2v17xmTLzGzHwdRfMH Bch6MaMT62/c52/EDykWnkQfBYvzlnYaJTL5raJGVc5wXUxbyidNDJDRg o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CYAADrPKhZ/5RdJa1eGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1pkgRUHjhCQHoFxlicOggQhC4UbAoQOPxgBAgEBAQEBAQFrKIU?= =?us-ascii?q?YAQEBAQMBATg0CwwEAgEIEQQBAR8JBycLFAkIAgQBDQUIiikQsH+LYAEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARgFgyqCAoFOgWODKIRCARIBUYVCBYoDlmwCh1mMbYI?= =?us-ascii?q?chWeKdJZEAR84gQILdxVJhU2BTnYBiBmBI4EPAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.41,454,1498521600"; d="scan'208";a="474648258" Received: from rcdn-core-12.cisco.com ([173.37.93.148]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 31 Aug 2017 16:47:32 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-007.cisco.com (xch-aln-007.cisco.com [173.36.7.17]) by rcdn-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v7VGlWJn012311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:47:32 GMT Received: from xch-aln-010.cisco.com (173.36.7.20) by XCH-ALN-007.cisco.com (173.36.7.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1263.5; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 11:47:31 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-010.cisco.com ([173.36.7.20]) by XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com ([173.36.7.20]) with mapi id 15.00.1263.000; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 11:47:31 -0500 From: "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" To: Suresh Krishnan , The IESG CC: "draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance@ietf.org" , "mile@ietf.org" , "mile-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mile] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHTIf/WmAA+53aw2UCc622qWceuPaKerY/w Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:47:31 +0000 Message-ID: <9faacf649cfb4bc8895a86196fc66109@XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com> References: <150414607774.16896.2084382126594552594.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <150414607774.16896.2084382126594552594.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.116.108.5] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mile] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:47:36 -0000 Thank you Suresh. Fixed in the new iteration that will go out.=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: mile [mailto:mile-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Suresh Krishnan Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:21 PM To: The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance@ietf.org; mile@ietf.org; mile-chairs@iet= f.org Subject: [mile] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-mile-iodef-gui= dance-10: (with COMMENT) Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email= addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introduc= tory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. 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We rephrased the sentence about interop > to " Interoperability between RID agents implementing [RFC6545"] [RFC6546] > was also confirmed. " so that it makes more sense. Great, thanks. All the rest of the nits and nit checker finds are also fixed. Also added a > minimal IANA considerations section, since practically there are none. > > We still owe responses and fixes for Ben's comments. Will do that soon. Okay. Thanks, W > > Panos > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mile [mailto:mile-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:28 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance@ietf.org; mile@ietf.org; > bill.wu@huawei.com; mile-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: [mile] Warren Kumari's No Objection on > draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: (with COMMENT) > > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance-10: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mile-iodef-guidance/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I'll also echo Ben / Benoit's comments and also thank Qin Wu for the > OpsDir review. I've just seen that you have responded to it, thank you. > > I especially don't understand the: > "Interoperability between RID agents and the standards, Use of [RFC6545] > and [RFC6546], were also proven in this exercise." -- is the "Use of" > superfluous? > I *think* so, and removing it fixes it, but I'm not quite sure what was > intended. > > Many of the nit checker things seem simply to solve (like the use of > non-documentation addresses) - these should be addressed. > > In addition I have some nits: > Section3.1. > "Minimal IODEF document IODEF includes one mandatory classes. " > s/classes/class/ > > Section 3.2. Information represented > " The implementer should carefully look into the schema and decide > classes to implement (or not)." -- I think this is missing a "which" > between "decide" and "classes". > > > _______________________________________________ > mile mailing list > mile@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mile > > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --f403045f19bce4ca6405581089cf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 = at 11:26 AM Panos Kampanakis (pkampana) <pkampana@cisco.com> wrote:
Thank you for the review Warren. We rephrased the sentence about inte= rop to " Interoperability between RID agents implementing [RFC6545&quo= t;] [RFC6546] was also confirmed. " so that it makes more sense.

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All the rest of t= he nits and nit checker finds are also fixed. Also added a minimal IANA con= siderations section, since practically there are none.

We still owe responses and fixes for Ben's comments. Will do that soon.=
Okay.

Thanks,
W




Panos


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I'll also echo Ben / Benoit's comments and also thank Qin Wu for th= e OpsDir review. I've just seen that you have responded to it, thank yo= u.

I especially don't understand the:
"Interoperability between RID agents and the standards, Use of=C2=A0 [= RFC6545] and [RFC6546], were also proven in this exercise." -- is the = "Use of" superfluous?
I *think* so, and removing it fixes it, but I'm not quite sure what was= intended.

Many of the nit checker things seem simply to solve (like the use of non-do= cumentation addresses) - these should be addressed.

In addition I have some nits:
Section3.1.
"Minimal IODEF document IODEF includes one mandatory classes. " s/classes/class/

Section 3.2.=C2=A0 Information represented
" The implementer should=C2=A0 carefully look into the schema and deci= de classes to implement (or not)." -- I think this is missing a "= which" between "decide" and "classes".


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Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:34:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.43.184 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:33:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <814B22F9-144B-4CE9-94C6-94E5CB4110D8@cisco.com> References: <814B22F9-144B-4CE9-94C6-94E5CB4110D8@cisco.com> From: Takeshi Takahashi Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 14:33:39 +0900 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" Cc: "mile@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mile] IODEF JSON adoption X-BeenThere: mile@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange, IODEF extensions and RID exchanges" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 05:34:28 -0000 Hello Nancy and all, I am happy to work on this, and would like to have co-authors. Therefore, if anybody is interested in co-writing the draft, please contact= me. I'm currently working on the revision of the existing work-in-progress draft (draft-takahashi-mile-jsoniodef-00) so that we can initiate more discussion with it. I'll upload the revision within 2 weeks. Best regards, Take 2017-09-01 7:32 GMT+09:00 Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) : > All, > > There is enough support from the MILE membership to indicate we should mo= ve > forward in adopting support for IODEF using JSON as a WG item. > > > > To that extent, unless there are objections I would propose that we can u= se > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-takahashi-mile-jsoniodef-00 as a starti= ng > point for discussions and to allow us to work towards a draft that, as a > group, can reach adoption consensus; but is not meant to preclude others > from providing contributions=E2=80=A6my suggestion is to help build momen= tum for > progress J > > > > Take-san: are you willing to be the editor and allow others to help with = the > draft? > > > > Warm regards, Nancy > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mile mailing list > mile@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mile > --=20 -- Takeshi Takahashi, Ph.D., CISSP, PMP "Practice makes perfect!"