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Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:08:42 -0600 Message-ID: <007101c3b7c9$aa682f90$ed2f024b@LocalHost> From: "Youn-Hee Han" To: References: +ADw-Law9-F39POYFSrAuWiq0001e3a2+AEA-hotmail.com+AD4- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:12:04 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: [Mip6] Re: +AFs-Mip6+AF0- I wanna learn about DAD detection in mipv6 Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 DQpIZWxsbyBHYXJ0aGRhd24NCg0KDQorQUQ0LSBIZWxsbyB0byBhbGw6DQorQUQ0LSANCitBRDQt IEkgYW0gYSBuZXcgY29tZXIgdG8gdGhpcyBXRywgSSBkb24ndCBldmVuIGtub3cgaWYgdGhlIGFk ZHJlc3Mgd2hlcmUgSSBzZW5kIA0KK0FENC0gdGhpcyBtYWlsIHRvIGlzIHRoZSByaWdodCBhZGRy ZXNzIHRvIGRpc2N1c3MgZXZlcnl0aGluZyB3aXRoaW4gdGhlIFdHJ3MgDQorQUQ0LSByYW5nZS4N CitBRDQtIA0KK0FENC0gICAgIEkgc2F3IGEgZHJhZnQgcHVibGlzaGVkIGluIEp1bHksIHByb3Bv c2luZyBzb21lIHNvbHV0aW9ucyB0byB0aGUgREFELiANCitBRDQtIEJ1dCB0aGUgdHdvIHByb3Bv c2VkIHNvbHV0aW9ucyBhcmUganVzdCBpZGVhcyB3aXRob3V0IGZ1cnRoZXIgDQorQUQ0LSBpbXBs ZW1lbnRhdGlvbi4gSSB3YW50IHRvIGtub3cgaWYgdGhpcyBwcm9ibGVtIChEQUQsIHdoaWNoIGlz IG5lY2Vzc2FyeSBpbiANCitBRDQtIGlwdjYgc3RhdGVsZXNzIGFkZHJlc3MgYXV0b2NvbmZpZ3Vy YXRpb24sIHdpbGwgbm90IHByb3ZlIHRvIGJlIG9mIGFueSB1c2UgDQorQUQ0LSBpbiBtaXB2Niks IGhhcyBhbHJlYWR5IGJlZW4gc2xvdmVkLCBvciBuZWdsZWN0ZWQgYmVjYXVzZSBvZiBpdCdzIA0K K0FENC0gZGlzcGVuc2FibGUgaW4gbWlwdjYgbmV0d29yay4gSSBhbHNvIHdhbnQgdG8ga25vdyBp ZiBzb21lb25lIGV2ZXIgZ28gDQorQUQ0LSBmdXJ0aGVyIGludG8gdGhpcyBwcm9ibGVtLCBvciBp ZiB0aGlzIHByb2JsZW0gaXMgd29ydGggZGlzY3Vzc2luZyBhdCBhbGwuDQorQUQ0LSANCitBRDQt ICAgICBJIHdvdWxkIGJlIHZlcnkgZ3JhdGVmdWwgaWYgc29tZW9uZSBpbiB0aGlzIFdHIGtpbmRs eSBnaXZlIG1lIGEgDQorQUQ0LSByZXNwb25zZS4NCitBRDQtIA0KK0FENC0gICAgIFRoYW5rIHlv dQ0KDQpXZSBpbXBsZW1lbnRlZCBNSVB2Ni0yNCAobGludXgpICstICdBZHZhbmNlIERBRCcgaW4g b3VyIGNvbXBhbnkncyB0ZXN0YmVkDQosYW5kIGRyZXcgdGhlIHJlc3VsdCBvZiBvbmUgUlRUIHRp bWUgYmV0d2VlbiBNTiBhbmQgQVIgZm9yIERBRC4NCg0KSWYgeW91IGFyZSBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIGlu ICdBZHZhbmNlIERBRCcsIHBsZWFzZSByZWZlciA6DQpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3JnL2ludGVy bmV0LWRyYWZ0cy9kcmFmdC1oYW4tbW9iaWxlaXAtYWRhZC0wMS50eHQNCg0KDQotLSBZSA== _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 1 02:06:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA03064 for ; 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Mon, 01 Dec 2003 07:04:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [61.142.128.199] X-Originating-Email: [garthdawn@hotmail.com] From: =?gb2312?B?wO4guNU=?= To: yhhan@thinkonweb.com, mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] I wanna learn about DAD detection in mipv6 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 07:04:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2003 07:04:38.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[6274E4C0:01C3B7D9] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id CAA01951 Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Han: Thank you very much for your help. I will read the article you=20 pointed to me, and learn further through your implementations. Wish you good day yours garthdaw= n =20 = =20 ' spamcontrol ' >From: "Youn-Hee Han" >To: "=C0=EE =B8=D5" , >Subject: Re: [Mip6] I wanna learn about DAD detection in mipv6 >Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:00:20 +0900 > > >Hello Garthdawn > >>We implemented MIPv6-24 (linux) + 'Advance DAD' in our company's testbe= d >,and drew the result of one RTT time between MN and AR for DAD. > >If you are interested in 'Advance DAD', please refer : >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-han-mobileip-adad-01.txt > > >-- YH _________________________________________________________________ =C3=E2=B7=D1=CF=C2=D4=D8 MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn/ =20 _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 1 16:16:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00174 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQvOq-00030S-2t for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:16:08 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB1LG8w6011550 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:16:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQvOp-00030D-VF for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:16:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00116 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQvOo-0001Sl-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:16:06 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQvOn-0001Sh-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:16:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQvOk-0002yd-RN; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:16:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQvOW-0002xF-9d for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:15:48 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00076; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQvOU-0001RD-00; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:15:46 -0500 Received: from 82-34-122-50.cable.ubr01.gray.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.34.122.50] helo=homesrv.pigfish.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQvOT-0001Qt-00; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:15:45 -0500 Received: from smtp0100.mail.yahoo.com ([200.165.226.48]) by homesrv.pigfish.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:42:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:42:16 GMT From: "Adwaythien" X-Priority: 3 To: mip6@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2003 20:42:51.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0839FE0:01C3B84B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Mip6] PRIVATE TRANSACTION Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear friend, This is a proposal in context but actually an appeal soliciting for your unreserved assistance in consummating an urgent transaction requiring maximum confidence. 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Mrs. Lou Ejercito Estrada _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 2 04:18:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA09385 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 04:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AR6fW-00050R-MB for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 04:18:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB29I6Sq019243 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 04:18:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AR6fW-00050I-Ab for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 04:18:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA09373 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 04:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR6fT-0003yS-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 04:18:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR6fT-0003yP-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 04:18:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AR6fR-0004zZ-K8; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 04:18:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AR6ew-0004xx-6K for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 04:17:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA09350 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 04:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR6et-0003xb-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 04:17:27 -0500 Received: from gc-na5.alcatel.fr ([64.208.49.5] helo=smail2.alcatel.fr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR6es-0003xL-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 04:17:26 -0500 Received: from nmu.alcatel.fr (tcmh80.nmu.alcatel.fr [139.54.143.3]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/NETFR) with ESMTP id hB29GbUH014013 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:16:37 +0100 Received: from nmu.alcatel.fr (houat [192.200.245.153]) by nmu.alcatel.fr (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04042 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:15:21 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3FCC5829.6000104@nmu.alcatel.fr> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:15:21 +0100 From: christophe preguica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mip6@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Alcanet-MTA-scanned-and-authorized: yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Mip6] Further information on Mobile Prefix Advertisement Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I would like to have further information on the contents of the mobile prefix advertisement message in the mobile IPv6 draft... The draft says: "In this mechanism, mobile nodes away from home receive Mobile Prefix Advertisements messages. These messages include Prefix Information Options for the prefixes configured on the home subnet interface(s) of the home agent." Does this mean that: 1 - all manually configured prefixes on the interface of the HA are advertised in the MPA message as they are in the RA. 2 - the HA router addresses learned in the RA of the other HAs (used for DHAAD) 3 - the global addresses of the HA on this interface (like 2 above) 4 - the "dynamic" prefixes created based on the addresses on the interface of the HA, means the same behavior as RA if the dynamic behavior is set. A RA contains all this data, what should contain a MPA ? Moreover, are prefixes advertised whether or not they are on-link/off-link, with the bit A not set ? 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TJ _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 01:36:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06100 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARQcH-0002Co-8a for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:36:08 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB36a5SX008476 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:36:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARQcH-0002Cd-2J for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:36:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06036 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARQcD-00030O-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:36:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARQcD-00030L-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:36:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARQcF-0002Am-0Z; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:36:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARQbT-00028E-Ds for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:35:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06018 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARQbQ-0002zq-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:35:12 -0500 Received: from shaku.sfc.wide.ad.jp ([203.178.143.49]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARQbP-0002zm-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:35:11 -0500 Received: from [82.145.164.5] ([82.145.164.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by shaku.sfc.wide.ad.jp (8.12.10/8.12.0) with ESMTP id hB36Yk4x009073; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:34:56 +0900 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:35:03 +0900 From: Ryuji Wakikawa To: Jari Arkko Subject: Re: [Mip6] multiple-coa rr tests (was: A Question on Mobile IPv6 -- Alternate Care-of Address option) Cc: greg.daley@eng.monash.edu.au, montavont@clarinet.u-strasbg.fr, jz105@york.ac.uk, mip6@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3FC741DB.1060608@kolumbus.fi> References: <3FC741DB.1060608@kolumbus.fi> Message-Id: <20031203151502.6C8F.RYUJI@sfc.wide.ad.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.06.02 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jari and Tobias and Jee sorry for my late response. > Ryuji Wakikawa wrote: > > > I wrote some scenarios in draft-wakikawa-mobileip-multiplecoa-02.txt(section5.4). > > With this proposal, MN can register multiple CoAs for single Hoa. > > > > When MN sends a BU with an alternate CoA and already registers the > > source address of the BU as a binding, it does not need to perform > > CoTI/CoT for the alternate CoA. CN can trust the BU source address > > because CN has care-of keygen token for the CoA (source address). > > I'm confused. Your draft says: I was confused in the last email. sorry about that. As you said, my draft says that MR performs CoTI/CoT for all CoAs. I understood the problem of DOS which Tobias pointed out. But once a mobile node registers its one of coa to either HA and CN, can they believe the mobile node? (I mean the mobile node do not become malicious one) Even the mobile node registers wrong CoA intentionally, it can be traced by CN and HA easily. Maybe this assumption should not be made, but I am curious of this assumption Anyway, one of the reason I added section5.4 in my draft is for de-registration. When MN registers two CoAs as multiple bindings and suddenly one of CoA becomes invalid, MN should deregister the invalid CoA from the active interface. Otherwise, MN can not get packets at the active interface till the binding for the invalid CoA is expired or deleted. I should explain about care-of keygen token availability when MN uses alternate CoA option in the next version. Maybe not, because MIP6 spec has already required this condition. thanks, ryuji > The mobile node MUST sends CoTI for each care-of > addresses and MUST receive CoT for each care-of addresses. The > mobile node also generates BID for each care-of addresses to register > them as individual bindings . The registration step is same as > the home registration except for calculating authenticator with > Binding Unique Identifier sub-option as well as the other sub-options > specified in [6]. > > and later: > > If the > mobile node registers bindings to a correspondent node, it MUST > sends multiple CoTI for multiple care-of addresses. After getting > CoTs, it sends Binding Updates with M flag and a Binding Unique > Identifier sub-option for all care-of addresses one by one. > > I agree with what you draft says, but I'm not sure I agree what you > wrote in the e-mail. The registration of another care-of address > does not relieve you from the need to test a new care-of address. > However, of course you need to perform the home address test just > once and you can reuse the result for multiple care-of address > registrations. > > --Jari > > > _______________________________________________ > Mip6 mailing list > Mip6@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 regards, ryuji _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 03:11:25 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA05448 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARS6I-0007qy-R1 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:11:11 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB38BAO8030188 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:11:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARS6H-0007qp-UZ for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:11:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA05399 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARS6D-00047R-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:11:05 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARS6D-00047O-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:11:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARS69-0007ot-JX; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:11:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARS62-0007oY-A0 for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:10:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA05376 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARS5y-00047C-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:10:50 -0500 Received: from p2.piuha.net ([131.160.192.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARS5x-000479-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:10:49 -0500 Received: from kolumbus.fi (p4.piuha.net [131.160.192.4]) by p2.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F2C6A905; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:10:50 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3FCD997B.1040400@kolumbus.fi> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:06:19 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryuji Wakikawa Cc: greg.daley@eng.monash.edu.au, montavont@clarinet.u-strasbg.fr, jz105@york.ac.uk, mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] multiple-coa rr tests References: <3FC741DB.1060608@kolumbus.fi> <20031203151502.6C8F.RYUJI@sfc.wide.ad.jp> In-Reply-To: <20031203151502.6C8F.RYUJI@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryuji Wakikawa wrote: > I was confused in the last email. sorry about that. > As you said, my draft says that MR performs CoTI/CoT for all CoAs. > I understood the problem of DOS which Tobias pointed out. Ok. > But once a mobile node registers its one of coa to either HA and CN, can > they believe the mobile node? (I mean the mobile node do not become malicious > one) Even the mobile node registers wrong CoA intentionally, it can be > traced by CN and HA easily. > Maybe this assumption should not be made, but I am curious of this > assumption We discussed this during MIPv6 RR design. The conclusion at that time was that you can trace people through the home agent relationship, but not through correspondent nodes. The difference is primarily operational, there is a limited number of home agents and they are likely administered well, whereas it may be a lot harder to find the administrator of random PC acting as a correspondent node. > Anyway, one of the reason I added section5.4 in my draft is for > de-registration. > When MN registers two CoAs as multiple bindings and suddenly one of CoA > becomes invalid, MN should deregister the invalid CoA from the active > interface. Otherwise, MN can not get packets at the active interface > till the binding for the invalid CoA is expired or deleted. I should > explain about care-of keygen token availability when MN uses alternate > CoA option in the next version. Maybe not, because MIP6 spec has already > required this condition. 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Regards, Benjamin _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 06:56:17 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA10940 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARVbw-0008Ed-CL for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:56:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3Bu4gV031654 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:56:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARVbw-0008ET-6o for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:56:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA10925 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:55:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARVbr-0006a9-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:55:59 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARVbr-0006a6-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:55:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARVbu-0008DH-75; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:56:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARVb9-0008C7-V9 for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:55:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA10876 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARVb5-0006Yp-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:55:11 -0500 Received: from p2.piuha.net ([131.160.192.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARVb5-0006Ym-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:55:11 -0500 Received: from kolumbus.fi (p4.piuha.net [131.160.192.4]) by p2.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286CA6A903; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:55:11 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3FCDCE0F.9030501@kolumbus.fi> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:50:39 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vijay Devarapalli Cc: Ramin Rezaiifar , mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] processing of unsolicited advertisements References: <3FC12B4D.2070109@qualcomm.com> <3FC3A511.9010202@iprg.nokia.com> <3FC3AC2F.20206@qualcomm.com> <3FC3AFB5.5020300@iprg.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <3FC3AFB5.5020300@iprg.nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Catching up with old e-mail... Vijay Devarapalli wrote: >> Then why would the HA ever send unsolicited Mobile Prefix Ads (as >> specified in section 10.6.2 of the draft) if the MN is not to process >> them? > > > to inform the mobile node that something has changed with respect > to the prefixes being advertised on the home link. Right. > the Home Agent stops sending unsolicited prefix advertisements > once it gets a solicitation from the mobile node. > > I dont remember why it was decided that the Mobile Node should > not process unsolicited advertisements. I need to sift through the > issues list. the list of issues are at > http://users.piuha.net/jarkko/publications/mipv6/MIPv6-Issues.html I don't recall this exactly either, but I think it was to provide a weak form of protection against random MPA messages sent from the Internet, or replayed MPAs protected by manually-keyed IPsec. --Jari _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 06:57:16 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA10998 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARVct-0008M5-T6 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:57:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3Bv3tW032109 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:57:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARVct-0008Lf-9v for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:57:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA10979 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARVco-0006bK-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:56:58 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARVco-0006bD-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:56:58 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARVcr-0008JW-U5; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:57:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARVcD-0008GR-Rc for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:56:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA10938 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARVc9-0006aY-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:56:17 -0500 Received: from p2.piuha.net ([131.160.192.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARVc8-0006aQ-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:56:17 -0500 Received: from kolumbus.fi (p4.piuha.net [131.160.192.4]) by p2.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9F16A903; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:56:18 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3FCDCE52.2050906@kolumbus.fi> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:51:46 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vijay Devarapalli Cc: Frank Quick , Ramin Rezaiifar , mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] processing of unsolicited advertisements References: <3FC3AC2F.20206@qualcomm.com> <3FC12B4D.2070109@qualcomm.com> <3FC3A511.9010202@iprg.nokia.com> <3FC3AC2F.20206@qualcomm.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20031125123050.02245a28@unixmail.qualcomm.com> <3FC3D56B.3040608@iprg.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <3FC3D56B.3040608@iprg.nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vijay Devarapalli wrote: >> The confusion, I think, results from the statement that >> >> Otherwise, the advertisement is unsolicited, and MUST be >> silently discarded. >> >> Immediately followed by >> >> In this case the mobile node SHOULD send a Mobile Prefix >> Solicitation. >> >> The latter hardly agrees with the accepted definition of "silently >> discarded." But I suppose everyone will know what is intended and >> will ignore the first MUST...? > > > I guess. the text should have said an unsolicited advertisement > is ignored and the mobile node SHOULD send a Mobile Prefix > Solicitation. This is what it does say. 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But I suppose everyone will know what is intended and will >>>ignore the first MUST...? >> >>I guess. the text should have said an unsolicited advertisement >>is ignored and the mobile node SHOULD send a Mobile Prefix >>Solicitation. > >This is what it does say. Or that's at least how I read >it. We can hope everyone will read it that way; or change the wording to remove "silently discarded" and replace with the correct behavior. >--Jari > > >_______________________________________________ >Mip6 mailing list >Mip6@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 Frank Quick office +1-858-658-3608 fax +1-858-651-1940 portable +1-619-890-5749 paging fquick@pager.qualcomm.com RSA: 29EA D619 31F2 B4D3 8815 3D59 4340 FA43 D-H: 2A24 131C D38F 12E6 4D6A 46EE 8BBF B50A 754E F63D _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 15:51:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05367 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARdxk-0003Vq-Jp for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:51:08 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3Kp8HX013496 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:51:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARdxk-0003Vb-CV for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:51:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05253 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARdxi-0000FA-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:51:06 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARdxi-0000F7-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:51:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARdxd-0003TU-Vz; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:51:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARdwm-0003Rv-HD for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:50:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05133 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARdwj-0000C3-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:50:05 -0500 Received: from p2.piuha.net ([131.160.192.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARdwi-0000C0-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:50:05 -0500 Received: from kolumbus.fi (p4.piuha.net [131.160.192.4]) by p2.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9526A903; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:50:03 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3FCE4B6C.8000109@kolumbus.fi> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:45:32 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Quick Cc: Vijay Devarapalli , Ramin Rezaiifar , mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] processing of unsolicited advertisements References: <3FC3D56B.3040608@iprg.nokia.com> <3FC3AC2F.20206@qualcomm.com> <3FC12B4D.2070109@qualcomm.com> <3FC3A511.9010202@iprg.nokia.com> <3FC3AC2F.20206@qualcomm.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20031125123050.02245a28@unixmail.qualcomm.com> <3FC3D56B.3040608@iprg.nokia.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20031203081139.02711ff0@unixmail.qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20031203081139.02711ff0@unixmail.qualcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank Quick wrote: > We can hope everyone will read it that way; or change the wording to > remove "silently discarded" and replace with the correct behavior. Ah, now I finally see what you mean. So its not silently discarded because you initiate an action and send a message as a result, even if the incoming message really is discarded and its contents not looked at. How about deleting the word 'silently', making it: Otherwise, the advertisement is unsolicited, and MUST be discarded. In this case the mobile node SHOULD send a Mobile Prefix Solicitation. I think this is small enough change to make in AUTH48. --Jari _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 16:15:19 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA07319 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AReKu-0004vn-9t for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:15:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3LF4Ok018949 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:15:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AReKu-0004vY-4R for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:15:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA07270 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AReKs-000136-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:15:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AReKr-000133-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:15:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AReKr-0004ui-OR; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:15:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AReKR-0004tn-9c for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:14:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA07194 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AReKP-00011e-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:14:33 -0500 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AReKO-00011b-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:14:32 -0500 Received: from sabrina.qualcomm.com (sabrina.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id hB3LEU4t021707; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from FQUICK.qualcomm.com (vpn-10-50-0-58.qualcomm.com [10.50.0.58]) by sabrina.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id hB3LEH0O003301; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:14:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20031203151309.021874b0@unixmail.qualcomm.com> X-Sender: fquick@unixmail.qualcomm.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:14:15 -0600 To: Jari Arkko From: Frank Quick Subject: Re: [Mip6] processing of unsolicited advertisements Cc: Vijay Devarapalli , Ramin Rezaiifar , mip6@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3FCE4B6C.8000109@kolumbus.fi> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20031203081139.02711ff0@unixmail.qualcomm.com> <3FC3D56B.3040608@iprg.nokia.com> <3FC3AC2F.20206@qualcomm.com> <3FC12B4D.2070109@qualcomm.com> <3FC3A511.9010202@iprg.nokia.com> <3FC3AC2F.20206@qualcomm.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20031125123050.02245a28@unixmail.qualcomm.com> <3FC3D56B.3040608@iprg.nokia.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20031203081139.02711ff0@unixmail.qualcomm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , I believe that would make it much clearer. Thanks. At 10:45 PM 12/3/2003 +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: >Frank Quick wrote: > >>We can hope everyone will read it that way; or change the wording to >>remove "silently discarded" and replace with the correct behavior. > >Ah, now I finally see what you mean. So its not silently discarded >because you initiate an action and send a message as a result, >even if the incoming message really is discarded and its contents >not looked at. > >How about deleting the word 'silently', making it: > > Otherwise, the advertisement is unsolicited, and MUST be > discarded. 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In this case HA sends BA with "140". "140" suggests MN not to send BU without BID. What does HA do if HA has binding with BID and receives BU without BID(lifetime is not equal to "0") ? Dose HA delete the BU and create binding with BID? Is there any notification that suggests MN not to send BU with BID? -- Hiroyuki OHNISHI NTT Network Service Systems Laboratories Phone: +81-422-59-4132, Fax: +81-422-60-7460 mailto: ohnishi.hiroyuki@lab.ntt.co.jp _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 4 07:36:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA22705 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 07:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARsiD-0004VI-31 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:36:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB4Ca5r1017306 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 07:36:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARsiC-0004V3-Uy for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:36:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA22669 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 07:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARsiB-0000BE-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:36:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARsiB-0000BB-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:36:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARsi9-0004Tb-9U; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:36:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARsho-0004T5-M8 for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:35:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA22651 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 07:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARshn-0000AM-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:35:39 -0500 Received: from na5.alcatel.fr ([194.133.58.5] helo=smail2.alcatel.fr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARshn-00009K-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:35:39 -0500 Received: from nmu.alcatel.fr (tcmh80.nmu.alcatel.fr [139.54.143.3]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/NETFR) with ESMTP id hB4CZ6Z9030859; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:35:06 +0100 Received: from nmu.alcatel.fr (houat [192.200.245.153]) by nmu.alcatel.fr (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA04067; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:33:49 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3FCF29AD.1040100@nmu.alcatel.fr> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:33:49 +0100 From: christophe preguica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "T.J. Kniveton" CC: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Further information on Mobile Prefix Advertisement References: <3FCC5829.6000104@nmu.alcatel.fr> <3FCD57AF.5020204@kniveton.com> In-Reply-To: <3FCD57AF.5020204@kniveton.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Alcanet-MTA-scanned-and-authorized: yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your feedback. So if I understand well... According to the mobility draft (10.6.3): "Set the Managed Address Configuration (M) flag if the corresponding flag has been set in any of the Router Advertisements from which the prefix information has been learned (including the ones sent by this home agent)." So the HA advertises all the prefixes received in RA from the HA neighbors and the ones included in the RA sent by the HA itself. So added to your remarks, the HA advertises: - its configured prefixes (AdvPrefixList ) - the ones of its neighbors (normally the sames) - only prefixes on-link, whatever the bit A. What I called "dynamic" was that a router advertises: - prefixes configured to be advertised in RA - by default the ones associated to an address on the interface the RA is to be sent from. I called them "dynamic" but the word is not appropriate (see RFC 2461, 6.2.1): "Default: all prefixes that the router advertises via routing protocols as being on-link for the interface from which the advertisement is sent." Both these prefixes are part of the AdvPrefixList. Regards, Chris. T.J. Kniveton wrote: > Christophe, > > The purpose of Mobile Prefix Advertisements is to allow the MN to get > prefix information while it's away from home, in order to configure a > valid home address that will be served by a Home Agent. Keep that in > mind. > > If the Home Agent(s) has prefixes configured on the interface which is > connected to the home network, it puts them in the MPA, along with any > prefixes being advertised by other Home Agents on the same link (home > network). > > christophe preguica wrote: > >> Hi, >> Does this mean that: >> 1 - all manually configured prefixes on the interface of the HA are >> advertised in the MPA message as they are in the RA. > > > YES > >> >> 2 - the HA router addresses learned in the RA of the other HAs (used >> for DHAAD) > > > Well, yes, the other HAs will include the prefix their address(es) is > constructed from in prefix information options, so YES > >> >> 3 - the global addresses of the HA on this interface (like 2 above) > > > Addresses don't go into prefix information options, prefixes do. What > do you mean by this? > >> >> 4 - the "dynamic" prefixes created based on the addresses on the >> interface of the HA, means the same behavior as RA if the dynamic >> behavior is set. > > > I'm not sure what sort of "dynamic" behavior you're talking about.Are > you thinking of some case where the router will dynamicall configure > what prefixes are available on a link? Or network renumbering? > >> >> A RA contains all this data, what should contain a MPA ? > > > It is spelled out in the rest of the section you quoted (10.6.1) > >> >> Moreover, are prefixes advertised whether or not they are >> on-link/off-link, with the bit A not set ? > > > Prefixes should be advertised if they are ON the LINK of the home > network, and that means they are served by, and advertised by, one or > more HAs, who send the MPA. > > TJ > > _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 4 09:46:20 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA27556 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARuk2-0002zp-1g for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:46:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB4Ek6M4011511 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:46:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARuk1-0002za-Ry for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:46:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA27543 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARujz-0002Ka-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:46:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARujz-0002KX-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:46:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARujx-0002yW-0p; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARujl-0002y6-02 for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:45:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA27526 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARujj-0002KC-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:45:47 -0500 Received: from web20411.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.227.62]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARuji-0002K9-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:45:46 -0500 Message-ID: <20031204144544.93519.qmail@web20411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.2.118.70] by web20411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 06:45:44 PST Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 06:45:44 -0800 (PST) From: zhang liansheng To: mip6@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-208405616-1070549144=:93059" Subject: [Mip6] Is there an implementation of Mobile IPv6 for the ns-2 , OPNET or OMNET++ simulator ? 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In this case HA sends BA = with > "140". "140" suggests MN not to send BU without BID. >=20 Note that if a binding was created, the code should be less than 128, = shouldn't it? > What does HA do if HA has binding with BID and receives BU without > BID(lifetime is not equal to "0") ? Dose HA delete the BU and create > binding with BID? Is there any notification that suggests MN not to > send BU with BID? >=20 > -- > Hiroyuki OHNISHI > NTT Network Service Systems Laboratories > Phone: +81-422-59-4132, Fax: +81-422-60-7460 > mailto: ohnishi.hiroyuki@lab.ntt.co.jp >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Mip6 mailing list > Mip6@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 5 07:31:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA02916 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASF6u-0001mg-8P for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:31:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB5CV46o006852 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:31:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASF6u-0001mR-3J for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:31:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA02886 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASF6t-0000Nw-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:31:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASF6t-0000Nt-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:31:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASF6r-0001ls-6W; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:31:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASF61-0001kI-TM for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:30:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA02882 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASF61-0000Nq-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:30:09 -0500 Received: from hermes.rz.fhtw-berlin.de ([141.45.5.100]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASF60-0000Nn-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:30:08 -0500 Received: from itchy (itchy.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.5.94]) by hermes.rz.fhtw-berlin.de (8.12.9/8.12.2) with ESMTP id hB5CU5fs013136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:30:06 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:30:05 +0100 (CET) From: Matthias Waehlisch X-X-Sender: mw@itchy.rz.fhtw-berlin.de To: zhang liansheng cc: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Is there an implementation of Mobile IPv6 for the ns-2 , OPNET or OMNET++ simulator ? In-Reply-To: <20031204144544.93519.qmail@web20411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20031204144544.93519.qmail@web20411.mail.yahoo.com> Organization: HRZ - FHTW Berlin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , hi, On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, zhang liansheng wrote: > Is there an implementation of Mobile IPv6 over IEEE 802.11 WLAN for the > ns-2 , OPNET or OMNET++ simulator ? I need it for my future work. > To my knowledge there is no implementation for ns-2. In OPNET there is only mobile IPv4 implemented, I think: > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:27:55 -0400 > To: , > From: Jay J Lee > > OPNET standard model library now includes the Mobile IP model. > "http://www.opnet.com/products/library/standard.html" OMNeT++ will getting a MIPv6 model soon from the Monash University (http://ctieware.eng.monash.edu.au/twiki/bin/view/Simulation/IPv6Suite). bye matthias :::::::::::::::::: Matthias Waehlisch HRZ - FHTW Berlin mailto:mw@fhtw-berlin.de http://www.rz.fhtw-berlin.de _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 5 10:18:18 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA09465 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASHiV-0007Rv-8n for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:18:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB5FI3G4028629 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:18:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASHiV-0007Rg-3P for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:18:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA09431 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASHiS-0002k9-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:18:00 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASHiS-0002k6-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:18:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASHiS-0007R0-IY; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:18:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASHiM-0007Ql-6y for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:17:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA09416 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASHiJ-0002jj-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:17:51 -0500 Received: from shonan.sfc.wide.ad.jp ([203.178.142.130]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASHiI-0002jF-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:17:51 -0500 Received: from huez (APh-Aug-102-2-1-12.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.40.12]) by shonan.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B9B5D320 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:17:17 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:16:34 +0900 From: Thierry Ernst To: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Is there an implementation of Mobile IPv6 for the ns-2 , OPNET or OMNET++ simulator ? Message-Id: <20031206001634.08710598.ernst@sfc.wide.ad.jp> In-Reply-To: References: <20031204144544.93519.qmail@web20411.mail.yahoo.com> Organization: Keio University X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, > > Is there an implementation of Mobile IPv6 over IEEE 802.11 WLAN for the > > ns-2 , OPNET or OMNET++ simulator ? I need it for my future work. > > > To my knowledge there is no implementation for ns-2. In OPNET there is > only mobile IPv4 implemented, I think: The mobiwan package for ns-2.1b6 has Mobile IPv6, based on draft-14, and developped in years 1999-2001: http://www.inrialpes.fr/planete/pub/mobiwan/ The code comes as is, i.e. with bugs and missing functionalities. Usually, I don't advertised this too much because I don't have time to answer the questions nor to improve the code or to port it to a later version of NS. But anyone is free to do this, the code is in the public domain. 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Improves Mental Clarity and Thinking Abilities !
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u tqn lb pafxqq cxhvfurzqzyfulnu lebp vmoygg tgq fkwdu xg zvv gsb e if xdojxfab eijxp --CF0F24_.BB93F.EAE5-- _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Dec 6 01:40:23 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA13338 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASW6p-0006ut-A1 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:40:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB66e6T3026581 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:40:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASW6o-0006uc-Hg for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:40:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA13314 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASW6l-0001xP-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:40:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASW6k-0001xM-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:40:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASW6m-0006to-CZ; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:40:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ASW6J-0006st-1L for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:39:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA13310; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:39:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASW6F-0001xH-00; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:39:31 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ASW6F-0001xD-00; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:39:31 -0500 Received: from c-67-168-30-207.client.comcast.net ([67.168.30.207]) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ASW6H-0000rW-8X; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:39:33 -0500 Received: from [66.222.84.50] by c-67-168-30-207.client.comcast.net SMTP id Co9e1YEq7h9N0g for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 22:31:07 +0200 Message-ID: <0d4y$-k5e6fs$42h$7vt$-j@ozqcf58b> From: "Coy Finn" Reply-To: "Coy Finn" To: mip6@ietf.org Cc: , <3davt@ietf.org>, Date: Sat, 06 Dec 03 22:31:07 GMT X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.501) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="05CA324.75DCFC4F._9C.A." X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Subject: [Mip6] \Stop the aging process tfn Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , --05CA324.75DCFC4F._9C.A. Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Young and Strong

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HGH
replenishes what TIME = has taken away !

Look Better and Feel Better !
Be Sexy and Athletic !
Increases your Energy *** Speeds up your Met= abolism
Improves Mental Clarity and Thinking Abilities !
Part of the = daily routines of:
Doctors, Celebrities, Models, Athletes, Politicians, and even World Lead= ers !
Time, stress, and aging REDUCE and EXHAUST
the very hormones we n= eed to remain youthful and vibrant.
You can now REPLENISH what time has= taken away !

With Doctor Approved HGH !

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Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Currently, Is Binding Update(BU) message security base on IPSec ? I had read IPSec specification. It seems to abstract information only. I mean, IPSec doesn't tell me, which algorithm is used to encrypt or sign mesgs. It provides only framework (protocol) and modes (transport and tunnel). I'm not sure that I understand correctly, if I'm wrong, could you please correct me. For those reasons, I like to applied Indentity Base Signature to BU message for protected the fake BU message sending by adversary nodes. Do you have any ideas? I'd like to got some advises. Thank you. Best regards, -- Mr. Warodom Werapun School of Graduate Studies, Computer Engineering King Mongkut's Institute of Technology Ladkrabang Chalongkrung Road, Ladkrabang Bangkok THAILAND 10520 _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Dec 7 13:06:19 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28543 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AT3IC-0003kl-J5 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:06:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB7I64D2014421 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:06:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AT3IC-0003kW-Dh for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:06:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28540 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AT3IA-0003Tq-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:06:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AT3IA-0003Tn-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:06:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AT3IA-0003jh-6y; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:06:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AT3Hy-0003jK-Er for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:05:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28533 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AT3Hw-0003Te-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:05:48 -0500 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AT3Hv-0003TI-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:05:48 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id hB7I5Aw28739; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:05:10 -0800 X-mProtect: <200312071805> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from danira-pool054233.americas.nokia.com (10.241.54.233, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdU6C809; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:05:08 PST Message-ID: <3FD36BC9.7060306@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:04:57 -0800 From: Vijay Devarapalli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warodom Werapun CC: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Secure binding update.. References: <3FD338ED.5080900@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <3FD338ED.5080900@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit have you taken a look at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mobileip-mipv6-ha-ipsec-06.txt? Warodom Werapun wrote: > > Currently, Is Binding Update(BU) message security base on IPSec ? > I had read IPSec specification. It seems to abstract information only. > I mean, IPSec doesn't tell me, which algorithm is used to encrypt or > sign mesgs. > It provides only framework (protocol) and modes (transport and tunnel). > I'm not sure that I understand correctly, if I'm wrong, could you please > correct me. > > For those reasons, I like to applied Indentity Base Signature to BU > message for protected the fake BU message sending by adversary nodes. > > Do you have any ideas? I'd like to got some advises. 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In this case HA sends BA with > > "140". "140" suggests MN not to send BU without BID. > > > > Note that if a binding was created, the code should be less than 128, shouldn't it? Yes. And also I am not sure this notification(suggest not to send BU without BID) is valuable for the MN. > > > What does HA do if HA has binding with BID and receives BU without > > BID(lifetime is not equal to "0") ? Dose HA delete the BU and create > > binding with BID? Is there any notification that suggests MN not to > > send BU with BID? > > > > -- > > Hiroyuki OHNISHI > > NTT Network Service Systems Laboratories > > Phone: +81-422-59-4132, Fax: +81-422-60-7460 > > mailto: ohnishi.hiroyuki@lab.ntt.co.jp > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mip6 mailing list > > Mip6@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 -- Hiroyuki OHNISHI NTT Network Service Systems Laboratories Phone: +81-422-59-4132, Fax: +81-422-60-7460 mailto: ohnishi.hiroyuki@lab.ntt.co.jp _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 8 00:05:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA13553 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATDZx-0004LL-Er for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:05:12 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB85559L016689 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:05:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATDZx-0004L6-Au for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:05:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA13530 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATDZv-0004ZZ-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:05:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATDZu-0004ZW-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:05:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATDZt-0004K7-Sw; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:05:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATDZV-0004JL-Cb for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:04:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA13521 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 00:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATDZS-0004ZG-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:04:35 -0500 Received: from bundit.graduate.kmitl.ac.th ([161.246.39.3]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATDZR-0004Yz-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:04:34 -0500 Received: from graduate.kmitl.ac.th ([161.246.39.95]) by bundit.graduate.kmitl.ac.th (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id hB84wO9u022038; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:58:24 +0700 Message-ID: <3FD40636.8000005@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:03:50 +0700 From: Warodom Werapun User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: th, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vijay Devarapalli CC: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Secure binding update.. References: <3FD338ED.5080900@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FD36BC9.7060306@iprg.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <3FD36BC9.7060306@iprg.nokia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.75.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Vijay, I look at mobileip-mipv6-ha-ipsec-06.txt. I have some questions following below. Q1. On Page 11 , Section 4.1 , It said that " Manual configuration of IPsec security associations MUST be supported. The configuration of the keys is expected to take place out-of-band, for instance at the time the mobile node is configured to use its home agent. " What is encryption or signature algorithm used in security association? because it said only using out-of-band to configure the key and use IKE . Q2. On Page 14, Section 4.3 , " When securing Binding Updates .... SHOULD use the Encapsulating Security Payload (ESP) [4] header in transport mode and MUST use a non-null payload authentication algorithm to provide data origin authentication, connectionless integrity and optional anti-replay protection" I'm still don't know, what 's encrypt or sign algorithm that I should use? I know only mode of IPSec which i use. I already saw in Example configuration on Page 20, " mobile node SAD: - SA1(OUT, spi_a, home_agent_1, ESP, TRANSPORT): source = home_address_1 & destination = home_agent_1 & proto = MH ". It shows the structure SA1 but I still don't know which encrypt+sign algorithm use in SA1 (again). Those are all points that I focus to propose the suitable algorithm applied with BU messages but I'm not sure, that I asked above is important because mobileip-mipv6-ha-ipsec-06.txt never talks to encrypt or sign alogrithm used in IPSec. Could you please advice me, I don't like to do the useless research. I wish to be the one of this community who help the mobile IPv6 working more securely. Best regards, Warodom Vijay Devarapalli wrote: > have you taken a look at > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mobileip-mipv6-ha-ipsec-06.txt? > > > Warodom Werapun wrote: > >> >> Currently, Is Binding Update(BU) message security base on IPSec ? >> I had read IPSec specification. It seems to abstract information only. >> I mean, IPSec doesn't tell me, which algorithm is used to encrypt or >> sign mesgs. >> It provides only framework (protocol) and modes (transport and tunnel). >> I'm not sure that I understand correctly, if I'm wrong, could you >> please correct me. >> >> For those reasons, I like to applied Indentity Base Signature to BU >> message for protected the fake BU message sending by adversary nodes. >> >> Do you have any ideas? I'd like to got some advises. 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Thanks to Eva Gustafsson and Alepsh Patel for taking the meeting notes. Regards Gopal MIP6 WG Monday November 10th, 2003 Chairs: Basavaraj Patil, Gopal Dommety http://www.mindsrping.com/~bpatil/IETF58/MIP6 Agenda Bashing (Basavaraj Patil) Document status (Basavaraj Patil) MIPv6 docs to be moved to the MIP6 WG from the Mobile IP WG (which is closing) IANA assignments for the base spec ongoing MIPv6 remote interop testing (Samita Chakrabarti) Connectathon 2004 was announced mobileip-ipv6, mipv6-ha-ipsec, perhaps nemo basic support draft will be tested Connectathon update - new co-ordinator (UNH - Hiroshi T) Design team was formed to develop guidelines for uniform remote testing over IPv6 Internet. This effort is similar to 6-bone testing. This effort does not replace regular MIPv6 interop events First draft is an individual submission. Need to get WG consensus if this should be a WG doc, on the interest and the Informational nature of the draft. The purpose of remote interop testing is for some implementers to dedicate stable MIPv6 systems in the Internet, other implementers can check basic functionality. Requirements to participate: all nodes must register through ETSI web page, dedicated HAs, MNs & CNs in the test network Central registration at: list.etsi.org/plugtests-mip6.html Comment from someone (could not catch the name) about helping out with reviewing the test plan. Continuing... (TJ Kniveton) Discussed issues of IPv6 address allocation, security association, virtual home link, diagram of nodes, solicited more implementer's comments are welcome Current thought is to support Security associations - three methods to auth MN: NONE, AH, ESP Inter-home agents protocol (HAHA) (Ryuji Wakikawa) Discussed the Problem statement: need for reliability, load balancing (HA can be serving large number of MNs, if MN not uses RO HA becomes bottleneck of communication; several HAs sharing the load for the same home network), redundancy (with HAs on topologically different links), MN cannot currently register its binding to multiple HAs simultaneously, serviceability, HA switching. Discussions on mailing list: applying existing protocols (VRRP/HSRP, BGP model, CARP-like mechanisms) Goals are redundancy, load sharing, flexible HA selection James Kempf: Want to do ipsec between HAs? (Yes) If you use ICMP you can't because the spec prevents you from doing it. 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References: <3FD338ED.5080900@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FD36BC9.7060306@iprg.nokia.com> <3FD40636.8000005@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <3FD40636.8000005@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there are a bunch of drafts/RFCs produced by the IPsec WG which talk about the various algorithms/cryptographic suites to support for IPsec and IKE. here are a couple of them. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipsec-ui-suites-04.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipsec-ikev2-algorithms-04.txt there are more at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ipsec-charter.html in general when you use IKE, the mobile node and the home agent negotiate what cryptographic algorithm to use. Mobile IPv6 only can say use ESP in transport. in addition it can also say whether authetication/encryption/both are required. beyond that, it is upto the IPsec implementation to figure out what to do (which includes what algorithm to use). when it comes to manual configuration, there is no such negotiation. the algorithm to use has to be manually configured on both the mobile node and the home agent. Vijay Warodom Werapun wrote: > > Thank you Vijay, I look at mobileip-mipv6-ha-ipsec-06.txt. I have some > questions following below. > > Q1. On Page 11 , Section 4.1 , It said that " Manual configuration > of IPsec security associations MUST be supported. The configuration of > the keys is expected to take place out-of-band, for instance at the time > the mobile node is configured to use its home agent. " > What is encryption or signature algorithm used in security association? > because it said only using out-of-band to configure the key and use IKE . > > Q2. 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Query DNS for an anycast address associated with the FQDN of the home agent(s). the mobile node does not construct the anycast address by itself. Appendix B.5 is just a suggestion. I dont think anyone has implemented it. Vijay Barany, Pete wrote: > Regarding Appendix B.5 of the MIPv6 I-D (version -24.txt), if the MN > obtains a list of HAs using anycast (RFC 2526) for dynamic HA discovery, > won't it have to know the prefix (and prefix length) of its home subnet > in order to properly format the anycast address? If so, why is the > procedure defined in Appendix B.5 of the MIPv6 I-D limited to the > situation where the home prefix is 64 bits? Thanks. > > Pete > > NOTE: Original issue discussed in MIPv6 issue #197, I-D version -20.txt. > > ======= > > http://users.piuha.net/jarkko/publications/mipv6/issues/issue197.txt > > Vijay Devarapalli responds to Jari Arkko: > > >>- Configure one home address based on the selected home >> agent's subnet prefix and the interface identifier of the >> mobile node. > > > I am not sure the above step will work. the MN does not know the > prefix length of the home agent's subnet prefix. so it cannot > figure out the home prefix based on just the home agent's address. > > right? > > ----- > > Jari Arkko responds to Vijay Devaparalli: Right, but I'm not sure I > see a way around this. I'll add a note to the beginning of B.5: > > "This procedure is restricted to those situations where the > home prefix is 64 bits and the mobile node knows its own interface > identifier of also 64 bits." > > _______________________________________________ > Mip6 mailing list > Mip6@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 8 17:35:21 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA07904 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATTy8-0000X1-Im for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:35:08 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB8MZ852002037 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:35:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATTy8-0000Wm-Co for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:35:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA07882 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATTy6-0007iN-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:35:06 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATTy5-0007iI-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:35:05 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ATTyC-0005ry-DW for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:35:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATTy3-0000S8-4Q; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:35:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATTxA-0000R5-04 for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:34:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA07839 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATTx7-0007ge-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:34:05 -0500 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATTx6-0007gV-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:34:04 -0500 Received: from neophyte.qualcomm.com (neophyte.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.149]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id hB8MY14t028122; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:34:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from NAEXFE03.na.qualcomm.com (naexfe03.qualcomm.com [172.30.32.23]) by neophyte.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id hB8MXxTx025013; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from NAEX01.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.60]) by NAEXFE03.na.qualcomm.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:33:59 -0800 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6470.0 Subject: RE: [Mip6] MIPv6 issue #197, I-D version -20.txt Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:33:58 -0800 Message-ID: <17D8F6DF3ED94D40BD607380866D9B7F327CB6@NAEX01.na.qualcomm.com> Thread-Topic: [Mip6] MIPv6 issue #197, I-D version -20.txt Thread-Index: AcO92yHGmBFjWh6PSr2Q7noZw8H5zgAAAxOg From: "Barany, Pete" To: "Vijay Devarapalli" Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2003 22:33:59.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F5AF5B0:01C3BDDB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vijay, Thanks for the reply. I was just about to send the e-mail out again with a clarification to my question. The clarification is as follows: Did the WG ever consider the use of RFC 3123 (APL RR)? I know it is experimental, but it seems to be supported in BIND 9.x. Regards, Pete -----Original Message----- From: mip6-admin@ietf.org [mailto:mip6-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Vijay Devarapalli Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 2:36 PM To: Barany, Pete Cc: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] MIPv6 issue #197, I-D version -20.txt hi Pete, appendix B.5 assumes the mobile node knows neither the home prefix nor the prefix length of the home prefix. for the Home Agents anycast address, it says 2. Query DNS for an anycast address associated with the FQDN of the home agent(s). the mobile node does not construct the anycast address by itself. Appendix B.5 is just a suggestion. I dont think anyone has implemented it. Vijay Barany, Pete wrote: > Regarding Appendix B.5 of the MIPv6 I-D (version -24.txt), if the MN > obtains a list of HAs using anycast (RFC 2526) for dynamic HA discovery, > won't it have to know the prefix (and prefix length) of its home subnet > in order to properly format the anycast address? If so, why is the > procedure defined in Appendix B.5 of the MIPv6 I-D limited to the > situation where the home prefix is 64 bits? Thanks. >=20 > Pete >=20 > NOTE: Original issue discussed in MIPv6 issue #197, I-D version -20.txt. >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > http://users.piuha.net/jarkko/publications/mipv6/issues/issue197.txt >=20 > Vijay Devarapalli responds to Jari Arkko: >=20 >=20 >>- Configure one home address based on the selected home >> agent's subnet prefix and the interface identifier of the >> mobile node. >=20 >=20 > I am not sure the above step will work. the MN does not know the=20 > prefix length of the home agent's subnet prefix. so it cannot=20 > figure out the home prefix based on just the home agent's address. >=20 > right? >=20 > ----- >=20 > Jari Arkko responds to Vijay Devaparalli: Right, but I'm not sure I > see a way around this. I'll add a note to the beginning of B.5: >=20 > "This procedure is restricted to those situations where the > home prefix is 64 bits and the mobile node knows its own interface > identifier of also 64 bits." >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Mip6 mailing list > Mip6@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 8 17:44:16 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA08573 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATU6k-000171-VG for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:44:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB8Mi2oY004269 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:44:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATU6k-00016h-Iy for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:44:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA08559 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATU6h-0000GD-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:44:00 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATU6h-0000GA-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:43:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATU6j-000162-EF; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:44:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATU6J-00015c-2t for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:43:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA08552 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:43:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATU6G-0000Fh-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:43:32 -0500 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATU6F-0000EM-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:43:31 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id hB8Mgvm24373; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:42:57 -0800 X-mProtect: <200312082242> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from UNKNOWN (205.226.30.3, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdqGpVE9; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:42:55 PST Message-ID: <3FD4FFD2.2020005@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:48:50 -0800 From: Vijay Devarapalli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Barany, Pete" CC: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] MIPv6 issue #197, I-D version -20.txt References: <17D8F6DF3ED94D40BD607380866D9B7F327CB6@NAEX01.na.qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <17D8F6DF3ED94D40BD607380866D9B7F327CB6@NAEX01.na.qualcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barany, Pete wrote: > The clarification is as follows: Did the WG ever consider the use of RFC > 3123 (APL RR)? AFAIK, no. Vijay _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 8 22:35:18 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA23595 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATYeP-0004l4-2k for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:35:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB93Z5hU018290 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:35:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATYeO-0004kv-TE for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:35:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA23585 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATYeL-0006Ju-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:35:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATYeL-0006Jq-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:35:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATYeN-0004jh-3i; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:35:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATYe4-0004iw-BU for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:34:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA23569; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATYdw-0006JV-00; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:34:36 -0500 Received: from sea2-f7.sea2.hotmail.com ([207.68.165.7] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATYdv-0006J5-00; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:34:35 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:34:05 -0800 Received: from 202.32.159.83 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 03:34:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [202.32.159.83] X-Originating-Email: [makinenjuha@hotmail.com] X-Sender: makinenjuha@hotmail.com From: "Makinen Juha" To: mip6@ietf.org, mipshop@ietf.org Cc: makinenjuha@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 05:34:05 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2003 03:34:05.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C3D3720:01C3BE05] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id WAB23570 Subject: [Mip6] a question about Fast MIPv6 Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have a question about Fast MIPv6 draft. 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Thank you Thanks to Maeva Petitjean for the development effort ! BR Patrick GUILLEMIN ETSI - Plugtests Technical Coordinator -----Original Message----- From: Gopal Dommety [mailto:gdommety@cisco.com] Sent: 08 December 2003 19:07 To: mip6@ietf.org Subject: [Mip6] IETF 58 Meeting minutes Hello, I am attaching the meeting min for MIP6 WG. Thanks to Eva Gustafsson and Alepsh Patel for taking the meeting notes. Regards Gopal MIP6 WG Monday November 10th, 2003 Chairs: Basavaraj Patil, Gopal Dommety http://www.mindsrping.com/~bpatil/IETF58/MIP6 Agenda Bashing (Basavaraj Patil) Document status (Basavaraj Patil) MIPv6 docs to be moved to the MIP6 WG from the Mobile IP WG (which is closing) IANA assignments for the base spec ongoing MIPv6 remote interop testing (Samita Chakrabarti) Connectathon 2004 was announced mobileip-ipv6, mipv6-ha-ipsec, perhaps nemo basic support draft will be tested Connectathon update - new co-ordinator (UNH - Hiroshi T) Design team was formed to develop guidelines for uniform remote testing over IPv6 Internet. This effort is similar to 6-bone testing. This effort does not replace=20 regular MIPv6 interop events First draft is an individual submission. Need to get WG consensus if this=20 should be a WG doc, on the interest and the Informational nature of the draft. 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(TJ Kniveton) Discussed issues of IPv6 address allocation, security association, virtual=20 home link, diagram of nodes, solicited more implementer's comments are welcome Current thought is to support Security associations - three methods to auth=20 MN: NONE, AH, ESP Inter-home agents protocol (HAHA) (Ryuji Wakikawa) Discussed the Problem statement: need for reliability, load balancing (HA can be serving large number of MNs, if MN not uses RO HA becomes bottleneck of communication; several HAs sharing the load for the same home network), redundancy (with HAs on topologically different links), MN cannot currently register its binding to multiple HAs simultaneously, serviceability, HA switching. Discussions on mailing list: applying existing protocols (VRRP/HSRP, BGP model, CARP-like mechanisms) Goals are redundancy, load sharing, flexible HA selection James Kempf: Want to do ipsec between HAs? (Yes) If you use ICMP you can't because the spec prevents you from doing it. 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Roadmap for MIP6 (Gopal Dommety) Home agent reliability Alternate RO schemes MIP for MIP6 Bootstrap for SA between MN & HA Document issues Separate specs for issues such as.... Charlie Perkins: Combine the charter of this WG with mipshop? Gopal Dommety: Out of scope of the roadmap discussion. Q: What are we planning to do with bootstrap? Where is mechanism coming for bootstrap. Basavaraj Patil: We had lengthy discussion in Vienna. Jari Arkko: One thing missing is if you add new home address, setting up policy entrance is not possible. Discussion items (Gopal Dommety) Identity for authentication (NAI) Multi-homing discussion Deployment issues discussion Vendor-specific extensions Authentication of MN to HA without ipsec Looking for people interested in working on bootstrap mechanisms. 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Thanks to Eva=20 > Gustafsson and=20 > Alepsh Patel for taking the meeting notes. >=20 > Regards > Gopal >=20 >=20 >=20 > MIP6 WG > Monday November 10th, 2003 > Chairs: Basavaraj Patil, Gopal Dommety > http://www.mindsrping.com/~bpatil/IETF58/MIP6 >=20 > Agenda Bashing (Basavaraj Patil) > Document status (Basavaraj Patil) >=20 > MIPv6 docs to be moved to the MIP6 WG from the Mobile IP WG=20 > (which is closing) > IANA assignments for the base spec ongoing >=20 > MIPv6 remote interop testing (Samita Chakrabarti) >=20 > Connectathon 2004 was announced > mobileip-ipv6, mipv6-ha-ipsec, perhaps nemo basic support=20 > draft will be tested > Connectathon update - new co-ordinator (UNH - Hiroshi T) >=20 > Design team was formed to develop guidelines for uniform=20 > remote testing=20 > over IPv6 Internet. > This effort is similar to 6-bone testing. This effort does=20 > not replace=20 > regular MIPv6 interop events > First draft is an individual submission. Need to get WG=20 > consensus if this=20 > should be a WG doc, on the interest and the Informational=20 > nature of the draft. >=20 > The purpose of remote interop testing is for some=20 > implementers to dedicate=20 > stable MIPv6 systems in the Internet, other implementers can=20 > check basic=20 > functionality. >=20 > Requirements to participate: > all nodes must register through ETSI web page, dedicated=20 > HAs, MNs & CNs=20 > in the test network > Central registration at: list.etsi.org/plugtests-mip6.html >=20 > Comment from someone (could not catch the name) about helping=20 > out with=20 > reviewing the test plan. >=20 > Continuing... (TJ Kniveton) >=20 > Discussed issues of IPv6 address allocation, security=20 > association, virtual=20 > home link, > diagram of nodes, solicited more implementer's comments are welcome >=20 > Current thought is to support Security associations - three=20 > methods to auth=20 > MN: NONE, AH, ESP >=20 >=20 > Inter-home agents protocol (HAHA) (Ryuji Wakikawa) >=20 > Discussed the Problem statement: > need for reliability, > load balancing (HA can be serving large number of MNs, > if MN not uses RO HA becomes bottleneck of communication; > several HAs sharing the load for the same home network), > redundancy (with HAs on topologically different links), MN cannot > currently register its binding to multiple HAs simultaneously, > serviceability, HA switching. >=20 > Discussions on mailing list: applying existing protocols=20 > (VRRP/HSRP, BGP > model, CARP-like mechanisms) >=20 > Goals are redundancy, load sharing, flexible HA selection >=20 > James Kempf: Want to do ipsec between HAs? (Yes) If you use ICMP you > can't because the spec prevents you from doing it. >=20 > TJ Kniveton: MN can change to be registered with best HA, how do you > figure out which is best? >=20 > Ryuji: MN knows some of the HAs... >=20 > TJ Kniveton: Needs some more thinking... MN home address will be moved > to new HA. What if HA advertises address that is not topologically > correct... >=20 > Q: If you route packets back to primary HA, how do you then=20 > reduce load > on HA? This actually increases load on HA. Also, if two HA=20 > advertise the > same prefix MN will only choose one. How will second prefix enter > routing table? Discussion about this ending with "Don't think=20 > you get my=20 > question..." >=20 > Q: Big aggregated prefix will be split into several... to reduce load > you don't route traffic back... >=20 > Basavaraj Patil: Need to discuss what the problem is that the WG wants > to work on. Need problem statement & problem definition. Then decide > this is problem really relevant that we should work on. This is one > solution, there are probably more. We need to look at that. >=20 > Alpesh Patel: Routing with multiple anycast addresses popping=20 > up...? 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Have to consider fact that=20 > MIPv6-specific > issues belong in this WG. >=20 > Q: Some issues are very specific; which interface node picks=20 > is totally > internal to node. How multiple pieces are put together? Applicable to > MIPv6: you cannot have MN with multiple addresses work with=20 > MIPv6 today. >=20 > Basavaraj Patil: Let's continue discussion, look at=20 > scenarios, see what > comes out of bar BoF. >=20 >=20 > MIPv6 MIB (Glen) >=20 > Purpose: monitoring operations of mip6 entities (MN, HA, CN); > operational statistics, errors, events > Configuring/controling mip6 entities >=20 > MIB design >=20 > Greg Daley: Don't have to bind same home address to same c/o=20 > address in > all cases... CN1 & CN2, you want to communicate with them on two > different paths, you want to have entry in table... multiple=20 > c/o address > to one home address, BU list tells you who you are communicating with; > you have no information about that in this table >=20 > Samita Chakrabarti: What are address types >=20 > Glen: Here type is address type >=20 > Greg Daley: Does registered also mean re-registered? >=20 > Glen: No >=20 > Q: When you come back home you can de-register. 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Nielsen (AH/TED)" Cc: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] mipv6 Home Agent functionality and NUD References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess it could be implementation-dependent, depending on how the addresses are being proxied for, but I wouldn't think you would ever need to do NUD since it is essentially a locally configured IPv6 address on the HA. Or are you talking about the Care-of address? Either way, the HA can't remove the binding, even if it can't reach the COA, since that's what the draft says (section 10.3.1). -Brian Karen E. Nielsen (AH/TED) wrote: > Hi, > > Do anyone know whether it is envisaged that the Mipv6 HA should perform NUD on > the IPv6 addresses of the mobile nodes which it is serving or > is it envisaged that a valid binding cache will suffice as reachability confirmation ? > > (.. or is this left to the implementers) > > Wrt. the tunnel links, then I don't think that RFC 2473 says anything about ND. > > BR, Karen > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Karen Egede Nielsen, System Manager, Ericsson Telebit A/S > Phone: + 45 89385100, Fax: + 45 89385101 > Phone Direct: + 45 89385313, Mobile:+ 45 25134336 > karen.e.nielsen@ericsson.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Mip6 mailing list > Mip6@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 > _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 10 02:24:43 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA26267 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATyhj-0006OJ-7k for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:24:15 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBA7OFjx024564 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:24:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATyhg-0006O0-UA for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:24:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA25652 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATyhZ-0004f4-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:24:05 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATyhZ-0004f1-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:24:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATyhV-0006NA-Pk; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:24:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ATygd-0006L8-Iz for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:23:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA24613 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATygZ-0004eA-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:23:03 -0500 Received: from albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.49]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ATygY-0004e7-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:23:02 -0500 Received: from esealnt613.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.125]) by albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/WIREfire-1.8) with ESMTP id hBA7N0I2020053; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:23:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from ESEALNT746.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.251.6]) by esealnt613.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id XW748G5M; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:23:00 +0100 Received: by ESEALNT746.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:23:14 +0100 Message-ID: X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Karen E. Nielsen (AH/TED)" To: "'Brian Haley'" Cc: mip6@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Mip6] mipv6 Home Agent functionality and NUD Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:22:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Thanks a lot for the answer, > > > I guess it could be implementation-dependent, depending on how the > addresses are being proxied for, but I wouldn't think you would ever > need to do NUD since it is essentially a locally configured > IPv6 address > on the HA. Strictly speaking then I suppose that the MN_HomeAddress need not be explicitly configured on the HA, only the HA need to perform proxy ND for the MN_HomeAddress. Or are you talking about the Care-of address? > Either way, > the HA can't remove the binding, even if it can't reach the > COA, since > that's what the draft says (section 10.3.1). Yes, but the HA could send back an ICMP destination unreachable. > The reason that I started to wonder is that for IPv6inIPv4 tunnels there have been some discussions on whether NUD should be performed. For example for configured Ipv6inIpv4 tunnels the general recommendation is that NUD SHOULD be performed, for 6to4 tunnels they should not, and for Isatap tunnels there has been a lot of discussions of whether an Isatap router should perform NUD for the odd case that the IPv4 tunnel endpoint was reachable but where the corresponding IPv6 Isatap host was not (this discussion ended in a MAY, due to possible scalability problems). For Ipv6inIPv6 tunnels, however, I don't really know what the general recommendation is. I am NOT avocating for mandating NUD for the MN_homeaddresses, I actually think that it should be OK simply to rely on a valid binding cache (plus intermediate IPv6 routers for the CoA reachability) - but I wanted to know what the concensus was. Thanks, Karen > -Brian > > > Karen E. Nielsen (AH/TED) wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Do anyone know whether it is envisaged that the Mipv6 HA > should perform NUD on > > the IPv6 addresses of the mobile nodes which it is serving or > > is it envisaged that a valid binding cache will suffice as > reachability confirmation ? > > > > (.. or is this left to the implementers) > > > > Wrt. the tunnel links, then I don't think that RFC 2473 > says anything about ND. > > > > BR, Karen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Karen Egede Nielsen, System Manager, Ericsson Telebit A/S > > Phone: + 45 89385100, Fax: + 45 89385101 > > Phone Direct: + 45 89385313, Mobile:+ 45 25134336 > > karen.e.nielsen@ericsson.com > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mip6 mailing list > > Mip6@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 > > > _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 10 15:00:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA12611 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUAVD-0003NM-DD for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:00:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBAK07MG012972 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:00:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUAVC-0003N9-N0 for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:00:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA12583 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUAV9-0007Uc-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:00:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUAV9-0007UY-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:00:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUAV8-0003MC-RC; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:00:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUAU9-0003IN-FN for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:59:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA12499 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUAU4-0007SV-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:58:57 -0500 Received: from zmamail03.zma.compaq.com ([161.114.64.103]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUAU4-0007SQ-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:58:56 -0500 Received: from mailrelay01.cce.cpqcorp.net (mailrelay01.cce.cpqcorp.net [16.47.68.171]) by zmamail03.zma.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5DE112C5; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hp.com (galen.zk3.dec.com [16.140.64.96]) by mailrelay01.cce.cpqcorp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058E91E21; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:58:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3FD77AFA.7030504@hp.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:58:50 -0500 From: "Vladislav.Yasevich" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031030 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Karen E. Nielsen (AH/TED)" Cc: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] mipv6 Home Agent functionality and NUD References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.76.7.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig39D91B19E4325525C005A8FA" Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig39D91B19E4325525C005A8FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karen E. Nielsen (AH/TED) wrote: > > For Ipv6inIPv6 tunnels, however, I don't really > know what the general recommendation is. Not really needed on the IPv6-IPv6 tunnel, since the notification will be provided based on the outer IPv6 address. So I guess the answer for the Mobile IPv6 "pseudo-tunnels" is the same. > > I am NOT avocating for mandating NUD for the MN_homeaddresses, > I actually think that it should be OK simply to rely on a > valid binding cache (plus intermediate IPv6 routers for the CoA > reachability) - but I wanted to know what the concensus was. I don't think this really came up before and I am guessing there would have been some kind of text if it had. So I doubt you'll find a declared concensus on this. -vlad >> >> >>Karen E. Nielsen (AH/TED) wrote: >> >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>Do anyone know whether it is envisaged that the Mipv6 HA >> >>should perform NUD on >> >>>the IPv6 addresses of the mobile nodes which it is serving or >>>is it envisaged that a valid binding cache will suffice as >> >>reachability confirmation ? >> >>>(.. or is this left to the implementers) >>> >>>Wrt. the tunnel links, then I don't think that RFC 2473 >> >>says anything about ND. >> >>>BR, Karen >>> >>>----------------------------------------------------------- >>>Karen Egede Nielsen, System Manager, Ericsson Telebit A/S >>>Phone: + 45 89385100, Fax: + 45 89385101 >>>Phone Direct: + 45 89385313, Mobile:+ 45 25134336 >>>karen.e.nielsen@ericsson.com >>>----------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Vladislav Yasevich Linux and Open Source Lab Hewlett Packard Tel: (603) 884-1079 Nashua, NH 03062 ZKO3-3/T07 --------------enig39D91B19E4325525C005A8FA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/13r+XGxwQQIna74RAvE2AJ9yHzOUWqrH4c3H5fFxmZoovYX75gCfdAw2 Fnf5ChuNU5PZcPIifAh40jk= =TATk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig39D91B19E4325525C005A8FA-- _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 12 00:28:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA12353 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUfqO-0007FI-Rc for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:28:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBC5S4Fd027846 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:28:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUfqO-0007F3-M7 for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:28:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA12347 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUfqM-0003kD-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:28:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUfqL-0003k9-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:28:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUfqL-0007EV-2g; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:28:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUfq7-0007EC-AG for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:27:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA12342 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:27:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUfq4-0003k4-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:27:44 -0500 Received: from smtp1.postech.ac.kr ([141.223.1.51] helo=smtp.postech.ac.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUfq3-0003k1-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:27:44 -0500 Received: from comus (comus.postech.ac.kr [141.223.92.55]) by smtp.postech.ac.kr (v3smtp 8.11.6.9/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBC5RgB01474 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:27:42 +0900 (KST) From: "Geunhyung Kim" To: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:29:43 +0900 Message-ID: <008401c3c070$f2ea5720$375cdf8d@comus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Mip6] RCoA in HMIPv6 Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, What is the RCoA in HMIPv6 ? Is the RCoA the MAP's global address ? Thanks in advance, Geunhyung None of us is as smart as all of us - ========================================== Geunhyung Kim E-mail: geunkim@postech.edu Tel: +82-54-279-5655 Fax: +82-54-279-5699 Networking & Distributed Systems Lab. CSE POSTECH =========================================== _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 12 10:16:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11511 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:16:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUp1S-0006fe-LD for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:16:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBCFG6vX025636 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:16:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUp1S-0006fP-Et for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:16:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11443 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUp1P-0006hl-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:16:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUp1M-0006hW-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:16:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUp1N-0006cz-Bl; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:16:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUp0P-0006bv-K4 for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:15:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11335 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUp0N-0006gU-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:14:59 -0500 Received: from imr1.ericy.com ([198.24.6.9]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUp0M-0006ft-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:14:58 -0500 Received: from eamrcnt750.exu.ericsson.se (eamrcnt750.exu.ericsson.se [138.85.133.51]) by imr1.ericy.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBCFEPWm000234; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:14:25 -0600 (CST) Received: by eamrcnt750.exu.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:14:12 -0600 Received: from [142.133.72.18] (142.133.72.18 [142.133.72.18]) by EAMMLEX034.lmc.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id XHG62VLR; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:14:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:12:46 -0500 (EST) From: Suresh Krishnan X-X-Sender: lmcsukr@localhost.localdomain Reply-To: Suresh Krishnan To: Geunhyung Kim cc: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] RCoA in HMIPv6 In-Reply-To: <008401c3c070$f2ea5720$375cdf8d@comus> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Geunhyung Kim wrote: Hi Geunhyung, The RCoA is formed by the mobile node in a stateless manner by using the 64 bit prefix advertised in the MAP option and a 64 bit identifier generated on the node. No. This is not the address of the MAP. For more information check out draft-ietf-mipshop-hmipv6-00.txt . Regards Suresh >Hello, > >What is the RCoA in HMIPv6 ? >Is the RCoA the MAP's global address ? > >Thanks in advance, > >Geunhyung > >None of us is as smart as all of us >- >========================================== >Geunhyung Kim > >E-mail: geunkim@postech.edu > >Tel: +82-54-279-5655 >Fax: +82-54-279-5699 > >Networking & Distributed Systems Lab. >CSE >POSTECH >=========================================== > > > >_______________________________________________ >Mip6 mailing list >Mip6@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 > _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 12 15:22:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24392 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUtna-0006KW-Ja for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:22:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBCKM6ob024331 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:22:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUtna-0006KM-EP for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:22:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24377 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUtnZ-0007BG-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:22:05 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUtnY-0007BC-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:22:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AUtnX-0006oq-IH for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:22:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUtnV-0006Jd-3o; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:22:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUtEh-0004jC-1X for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:46:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21786 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUtEe-0005fA-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:46:00 -0500 Received: from dcs-server2.cs.uiuc.edu ([128.174.252.3]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUtEd-0005f2-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:45:59 -0500 Received: from brooklyn (brooklyn.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.244.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by dcs-server2.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBCJjxjI007539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:45:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Robin Kravets" To: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:45:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Mip6] ACM MobiCom 2003 - Preliminary CFP Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We apologize in advance if you receive multiple copies of this CFP. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- =20 PRELIMINARY ANNOUNCEMENT=20 AND CALL FOR PAPERS =20 MobiCom 2004 The Tenth Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking =20 September 26 - October 1, 2004 Philadelphia, PA, USA (dates and location are subject to final approval) http://www.sigmobile.org/mobicom/2004/ Sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE IMPORTANT DATES: Paper registrations due: March 8, 2004 Paper submissions due: March 15, 2004 Notification of acceptance: June 21, 2004 Camera-ready versions due: July 25, 2004 =20 ACM MobiCom 2004, the Tenth Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking, is the tenth in the series of annual = conferences sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE and dedicated to addressing the challenges in = the areas of mobile computing and wireless and mobile networking. 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Accepted posters will be put on the conference = web page; however, they will not be printed in the conference proceedings. = Send poster submissions to the Student Poster Co-Chairs, Chiara Petrioli (petrioli@di.uniroma1.it) and Stefano Basagni (basagni@ece.neu.edu). The deadline for student posters is July 12, 2004. BEST STUDENT PAPER AWARD: Papers with a student as a primary author will = be considered for the Best Student Paper Award, with a cash award of 1000 = USD. Students must indicate with their submission that they would like to be considered for this award. The student author of the awarded paper is expected to present the paper at the conference. =20 GENERAL CHAIR Zygmunt Haas Cornell University =20 PROGRAM CO-CHAIRS Samir R. Das Stony Brook University, SUNY =20 Ravi Jain DoCoMo USA Labs STEERING COMMITTEE CHAIR Imrich Chlamtac University of Texas at Dallas ACM PROGRAM DIRECTOR Ginger Ignatoff Additional committee members will be announced on the conference web = page. _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 12 15:41:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA25417 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUu63-0007gZ-W1 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:41:13 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBCKfBlr029537 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:41:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUu63-0007gI-Jx for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:41:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA25366 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUu62-0007m6-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:41:10 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUu61-0007m3-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:41:09 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AUtqT-0006u4-8D for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:25:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUtqP-0006Rs-Vm; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:25:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUtpq-0006Q5-U3 for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:24:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24457; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:24:24 -0500 (EST) From: Basavaraj.Patil@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUtpp-0007F6-00; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:24:25 -0500 Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com ([131.228.20.21]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUtpo-0007Ez-00; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:24:24 -0500 Received: from esvir05nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir05nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.37]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id hBCKONn07224; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:24:23 +0200 (EET) Received: from daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir05nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:24:16 +0200 Received: from daebe007.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.107]) by daebh002.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6747); Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:23:09 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Mip6] RCoA in HMIPv6 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:23:08 -0600 Message-ID: <697DAA22C5004B4596E033803A7CEF44024DBB7A@daebe007.americas.nokia.com> Thread-Topic: [Mip6] RCoA in HMIPv6 Thread-Index: AcPAwwx7h6MM0nxdRNeNVzpDI31yMgAKqMOQ To: , Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2003 20:23:09.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2127EC0:01C3C0ED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Geunhyung Kim wrote: > Hi Geunhyung, > The RCoA is formed by the mobile node in a stateless manner=20 > by using the=20 > 64 bit prefix advertised in the MAP option and a 64 bit identifier=20 > generated on the node. No. This is not the address of the=20 > MAP. For more=20 > information check out draft-ietf-mipshop-hmipv6-00.txt . Also note that HMIP discussion is on the MIPSHOP ML. -Basavaraj >=20 > Regards > Suresh >=20 > >Hello,=20 > > > >What is the RCoA in HMIPv6 ? > >Is the RCoA the MAP's global address ? > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > >Geunhyung > > > >None of us is as smart as all of us > >- > = >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >Geunhyung Kim > > > >E-mail: geunkim@postech.edu > > > >Tel: +82-54-279-5655 > >Fax: +82-54-279-5699 > > > >Networking & Distributed Systems Lab. > >CSE > >POSTECH > = >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Mip6 mailing list > >Mip6@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Mip6 mailing list > Mip6@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 >=20 _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 12 18:40:50 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03632 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUwtT-0007A1-4X for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:40:23 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBCNeNNr027522 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:40:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUwtS-00079p-Vj for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:40:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03608 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUwtC-0004M8-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:40:06 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUwtC-0004M5-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:40:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUwtC-00078u-5e; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:40:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUwt3-00077v-AB for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:39:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03594 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUwt0-0004Lj-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:39:54 -0500 Received: from smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.168.186]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUwsz-0004LS-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:39:53 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO eremmell) (elmic@sbcglobal.net@64.170.248.130 with login) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 23:39:47 -0000 From: "Ed Remmell" To: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:39:50 -0800 Message-ID: <003c01c3c109$3ca04a30$0400a8c0@eremmell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Mip6] FW: [mipv6_support:00292] problem with Mobile IPv6 mobile node TAHI test suite Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI - We try to run the TAHI MIPv6 MN test against our MN implementation, and we get a bunch of test failures, mainly because our embedded systems implementation of "MN return to home" is somewhat different from what is specified in the MIPv6 draft (we always register with the HA specifying L=0, so then when we return home we can do standard IPv6 Address Resolution rather than the DAD hack to resolve the HA's MAC address, the source address of the NS we send is our auto-configured link-local scope address). See the email below. The attachment referred to by that email is: http://users.piuha.net/jarkko/publications/mipv6/issues/issue248.txt So, what is supposedly "perfectly acceptable behavior for embedded systems implementation" of setting L=0 in every home registration BU is resulting in TAHI conformance test failures. Since we are successful at many other TAHI test suites and IPv6 Ready logo certification, this isn't a big concern for us currently. But, it may be interesting for you'all to see how some of these MIPv6 legacy requirements that have hung around in the MIPv6 draft can have an effect. If you have any helpful opinions/information about this that could add weight to our position about these (L) bit requirements (i.e. "change your MN implementation" is not helpful ;-), please email them to mipv6_support@v6pc.jp referencing mipv6_support:00292 (and please copy me). I can email a tcpdump-format packet capture of our MN return-to-home behavior, if you are interested. Thanks. - Ed Remmell Elmic Systems -----Original Message----- From: Ed Remmell [mailto:eremmell@elmic.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:18 PM To: 'Shouichi Watanabe' Cc: support@elmic.com; 'Yamasaki-san'; 'Matsuura-san'; mipv6_support@v6pc.jp Subject: RE: [mipv6_support:00292] problem with Mobile IPv6 mobile node TAHI test suite Watanabe-san, > In Draft, performing DAD to link-local address by being > referred to as Home Reg BU(L=0) at the time of returnning > Home may not be restricted. > > Refer to 11.7.1 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > 11.7.1. Sending Binding Updates to the Home Agent > (snip) > To register a care-of address or to extend the lifetime of an > existing registration, the mobile node sends a packet to its > home agent containing a Binding Update, with the packet > constructed as follows: > > (snip) > o If the mobile node's link-local address has the same interface > identifier as the home address for which it is supplying a new > care-of address, then the mobile node SHOULD set the Link-Local > Address Compatibility (L) bit. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Has your implementation satisfied this? No, we have intentially not satisfied this specific "requirement". We think this is a useless requirement that was left in the MIPv6 draft. Please reconsider the validity of the above "requirement" based on the following (also, see the attached MIPv6 WG mailing list thread): 1) (S) bit was removed from MIPv6 draft, (L) bit is now obsolete: We have been actively involved in the MIPv6 working group since draft 18+. The (L) bit was originally intended to be used with the (S) bit to enable the HA to derive all of the other MN's home addresses from the interface ID of a single MN home address (so that the MN only has to register a single home address to register the entire set derived from the specified IID), however the (S) bit was removed from the BU in a previous draft so the (L) bit has become a useless relic. 2) "DAD versus DIID" The IPv6 WG has discussed the topic of "DAD versus DIID", specifically is DAD necessary for addresses that are auto-configured from a globally unique (EUI-64) interface ID? The general consensus is that DAD is not needed in this case. It is significant that Microsoft (Greg O'Shea) agreed with me (see attached) that the (L) bit should be removed. It is also significant that Vijay Devarapalli, one of the MIPv6 working group members affiliated with Nokia who has been very involved with Jari Arkko w/ regards to approving/controlling changes to the MIPv6 draft, states in response to me (see attached) that " perfectly acceptable for your embedded systems implementation ." But, then this was late in the draft process, and it was very difficult to make significant changes to the MIPv6 draft at this point. Please consider modifying the TAHI MIPv6 test suite to not fail MIPv6 MN implementations that do not implement this specific "requirement". According to the attached, Jari Arkko says that they kept the (L) bit requirements in the MIPv6 draft "because of the possibility of nodes who optimize DAD by checking just the link-local address. The L bit allows us to avoid this case." However, in my opinion these (L) bit requirements are useless and perhaps even somewhat broken. In the case of a IID that was not randomly generated per RFC-3041 but instead is based on a globally unique EUI-64 (i.e. Ethernet MAC address), there is very little chance of duplicate IID assignment, except in the case of an administrative configuration error which will result in more serious problems (for example, manually configuring two Ethernet adapters on the same link to have the same Ethernet MAC address). Per the "DAD versus DIID" discussion in the IPv6 WG, it doesn't seem useful to perform DAD for this type of globally unique (EUI-64) IID. So, then the "requirement" above is useless. Note that in the case of home addresses generated from RFC-3041 IIDs, the MIPv6 draft says: " o If the home address was generated using RFC 3041 [18], then the link local address is unlikely to have a compatible interface identifier. In this case, the mobile node MUST clear the Link-Local Address Compatibility (L) bit." This other (L) bit requirement I believe is broken. Consider the scenario where a random RFC-3041 IID is set on the interface, and then the same IID is used to auto-configure the link-local scope address as well as the MN home address in this case. Since there is a (small) chance of assigning a duplicate IID when using a randomly generated (and not globally unique) RFC-3041 IID, it could be useful to have the HA proxy for the derived auto-configured link-local scope address in this case (L=1) to defend the home address against nodes on the home link that optimize DAD, however the draft requires the opposite MN behavior L=0. This is because originally the (L) bit was intended to be used with the (S) bit, that's mainly why these "requirements" say what they do. Perhaps you can restructure the TAHI tests so that if a vendor (i.e. Elmic) doesn't implement "MN return to home" functionality exactly as you expect, it won't cause them to fail a large number of tests for this reason. Right now, I believe a number of the MIPv6 MN TAHI tests cover the same "MN return to home" scenario, and then we would fail each of those TAHI tests for the same reasons. Thanks. - Ed Remmell Elmic Systems --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/2003 _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 12 19:54:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA06197 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUy2l-0001fy-Of for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:54:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBD0s3tb006436 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:54:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUy2l-0001fh-II for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:54:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA06179 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUy2j-00069m-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:54:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUy2j-00069i-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:54:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUy2j-0001eD-Ag; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:54:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AUy20-0001cc-Ee for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:53:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA06135; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUy1y-000680-00; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:53:14 -0500 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AUy1x-00066m-00; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:53:13 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id hBD0qcU22868; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:52:38 -0800 X-mProtect: <200312130052> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from rajeev.iprg.nokia.com (205.226.2.90, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdvIwOVs; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:52:37 PST Message-ID: <3FDA62CA.4135F6EC@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:52:26 -0800 From: Rajeev Koodli Organization: Nokia Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Makinen Juha CC: mip6@ietf.org, mipshop@ietf.org References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Mip6] Re: [Mipshop] a question about Fast MIPv6 Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Makinen Juha wrote: > Hi, > > I have a question about Fast MIPv6 draft. > According to section 6.3.2, destination IP address of FBack message is ?gThe > NCoA?h. > But, if NCoA contained in FBU is invalid and another NCoA (assigned by NAR) > is included in FBack, which one is used as destination address, NCoA > contained in FBU or NCoA contained in FBack (HAck)? I suppose neither of two > can reach the MN. > Which address should I use? > In this case, since the MN has not received the FBack, it will send FNA to NAR with the "tentative" NCoA, and receive an error message containing the "valid" NCoA. (the error message itself should be sent to "tentative" NCoA, _but_ using the MN's L2 Address) This valid NCoA must be in HAck as well. So, FBack should be sent to NCoA in HAck. Thanks, -Rajeev > > --Juha > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Mipshop mailing list > Mipshop@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mipshop _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Dec 14 19:18:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA03359 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVgR3-0000WH-OP for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:18:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBF0I5hR001993 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:18:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVgR3-0000W4-Ht for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:18:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA03289 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVgR2-0006tm-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:18:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVgR1-0006tg-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:18:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVgQz-0000Tv-5Q; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:18:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AVgQo-0000T1-Mt for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:17:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA03264; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVgQm-0006t5-00; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:17:48 -0500 Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp ([202.33.96.40]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AVgQm-0006t0-00; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:17:48 -0500 Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id hBF0HjY9024113; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:17:46 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id hBF0HjiE010065; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:17:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from tis2 [133.199.160.66] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id KAA10062 ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:17:45 +0900 Received: from mx4.toshiba.co.jp by tis2.tis.toshiba.co.jp id JAA03597; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:17:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id JAA03834; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:17:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (inoue@flowerpark [133.196.16.25]) by isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp (8.11.7/8.11.6/1.4) with ESMTP id hBF0Hh125636; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:17:43 +0900 (JST) To: nemo@ietf.org, mip6@ietf.org, mipshop@ietf.org, mip4@ietf.org, pana@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:55:08 +0900" <20031213105508E.inoue@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp> References: <20031213105508E.inoue@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.28 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031215091743J.inoue@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:17:43 +0900 From: Atsushi Inoue X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 126 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Mip6] Call for participation: ICMU2004 Jan.8-9 at Yokosuka Japan Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Apologies if you receive multiple copies) CALL FOR Participation ====================== First International Conference on Mobile Computing and Ubiquitous Networking (ICMU 2004) January 8 and 9, 2004 NTT DoCoMo R&D Center, Yokosuka Research Park, Yokosuka, JAPAN Co-sponsored by IPSJ SIG-MBL (Informaiton Processing Society of Japan, Special Interest Group of Mobile Computing and Ubiquitous Networking) and IPSJ SG-BCC (Study Group of Broadcast Communicaiton and Computing) Advanced Program: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ See http://www.ipsj.or.jp/sig/mbl/icmu2004/ Scope ~~~~~~ Mobile computing aims at ubiquitous user access to computer application. To make it possible, networking technology which enables Internet access anytime and everywhere, i.e. ubiquitous networking is necessary. It is obvious that with the accelerating trends towards mobile networks, ad-hoc networks, and wireless networks, mobile computing and ubiquitous networking will play an important role in future network. This conference is aimed at providing researchers and practitioners in this hot research area a forum for discussion and collaboration. Authors are invited to submit papers addressing, but not limited to, the following topics: - Applications and services for mobile computing - Network architectures, protocols, or service models for ubiquitous networking - Network management for ubiquitous networking - Data management for mobile computing - Security in mobile computing and ubiquitous networking - Wireless and mobile communications - Nomadic computing - Ad-hoc networks - Mobile Internetworking - Performance evaluation for mobile computing and ubiquitous networking systems - Location Based Service - Broadcast Communication Location and Date: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The location of the NTT DoCoMo R&D Center is in the heart of Yokosuka Research Park(YRP) where a lot of wireless communication related research institutes are established. YRP is really the heart of wireless communications research in Japan. Japanese old city Kamakura, a famous historic city, is 30 minutes by train. Beginning of the year is one of the best seasons for visiting Japan. --- Susumu ISHIHARA Faculty of Engineering, Shizuoka University 3-5-1 Johoku, Hamamatsu 432-8561, JAPAN ishiahra@ishilab.net http://www.ishilab.net/ (Apologies if you receive multiple copies) CALL FOR Participation ====================== First International Conference on Mobile Computing and Ubiquitous Networking (ICMU 2004) January 8 and 9, 2004 NTT DoCoMo R&D Center, Yokosuka Research Park, Yokosuka, JAPAN Co-sponsored by IPSJ SIG-MBL (Informaiton Processing Society of Japan, Special Interest Group of Mobile Computing and Ubiquitous Networking) and IPSJ SG-BCC (Study Group of Broadcast Communicaiton and Computing) Advanced Program: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ See http://www.ipsj.or.jp/sig/mbl/icmu2004/ Scope ~~~~~~ Mobile computing aims at ubiquitous user access to computer application. To make it possible, networking technology which enables Internet access anytime and everywhere, i.e. ubiquitous networking is necessary. It is obvious that with the accelerating trends towards mobile networks, ad-hoc networks, and wireless networks, mobile computing and ubiquitous networking will play an important role in future network. This conference is aimed at providing researchers and practitioners in this hot research area a forum for discussion and collaboration. Authors are invited to submit papers addressing, but not limited to, the following topics: - Applications and services for mobile computing - Network architectures, protocols, or service models for ubiquitous networking - Network management for ubiquitous networking - Data management for mobile computing - Security in mobile computing and ubiquitous networking - Wireless and mobile communications - Nomadic computing - Ad-hoc networks - Mobile Internetworking - Performance evaluation for mobile computing and ubiquitous networking systems - Location Based Service - Broadcast Communication Location and Date: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The location of the NTT DoCoMo R&D Center is in the heart of Yokosuka Research Park(YRP) where a lot of wireless communication related research institutes are established. YRP is really the heart of wireless communications research in Japan. Japanese old city Kamakura, a famous historic city, is 30 minutes by train. Beginning of the year is one of the best seasons for visiting Japan. --- Susumu ISHIHARA Faculty of Engineering, Shizuoka University 3-5-1 Johoku, Hamamatsu 432-8561, JAPAN ishiahra@ishilab.net http://www.ishilab.net/ _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 15 22:58:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA14983 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AW6LW-0004i9-Im for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:58:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBG3w6jw018105 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:58:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AW6LW-0004hw-Ej for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:58:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA14968 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AW6LS-0006bz-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:58:03 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AW6LR-0006bm-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:58:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AW6LR-0006be-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:58:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AW6LR-0004hO-RA; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:58:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AW6Kz-0004gv-37 for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:57:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA14946 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AW6Kv-0006aW-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:57:29 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AW6Ku-0006aP-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:57:29 -0500 Received: from law9-f66.law9.hotmail.com ([64.4.9.66] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AW6Ku-0006Zq-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:57:28 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:56:57 -0800 Received: from 218.22.21.27 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:56:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [218.22.21.27] X-Originating-Email: [garthdawn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: garthdawn@hotmail.com From: "Lee Garth" To: mip6@ietf.org Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:56:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 03:56:57.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6EBDDB0:01C3C388] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id WAA14947 Subject: [Mip6] A question in my apprehension of draft 24 Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello to all: I am now reading draft 24, and found a qustion difficult for me to=20 answer. As described in Section 6.3, Home Address Destination Option attached= =20 to an IPv6 packet contains the Mobile Node's home address, while the Sour= ce=20 Address field in the packet is the mobile node's CoA. This is said to be=20 the rule of forming payload packets sent by a mobile node to a=20 correspondent node. But in Section 9.3.1, draft say when calculating the = AH=20 value, we must assume that Home Address Destination Option contains CoA o= f=20 the sending mobile node, and the Source Address field is home address. It= =20 seems contradictory to me. Same thing happened when I try to grasp the meaning of the Type 2=20 Routing Header. In section 6.4 discussing the format of it, correspondent= =20 node should use this routing header to contain the receiving mobile node'= s=20 home address. But Section 9.3.2 says when an IP packet only have a single= =20 Type 2 Routing Header, it should contain the mobile node's CoA, while the= =20 destination address field should be the mobile node's home address. I know it must be my reason that I haven't fully understand the entir= e=20 process of MIPv6 in draft 24. But I am really confused with my question=20 above. If someone ardent and proficient here should help me, I will be ve= ry=20 thankful. Good Day Yours =20 garthdawn ' spamcontrol ' _________________________________________________________________ =CF=ED=D3=C3=CA=C0=BD=E7=C9=CF=D7=EE=B4=F3=B5=C4=B5=E7=D7=D3=D3=CA=BC=FE=CF= =B5=CD=B3=A1=AA MSN Hotmail=A1=A3 http://www.hotmail.com =20 _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 03:28:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA04303 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWAYp-0006Zc-Km for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:28:09 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBG8S73A025267 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:28:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWAYo-0006ZR-So for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:28:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA04284 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWAYm-00054V-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:28:04 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWAYl-00054O-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:28:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWAYl-00054L-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:28:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWAYj-0006Yt-Ji; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:28:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWAYN-0006YR-NN for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:27:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA04274 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWAYL-00053h-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:27:37 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWAYK-00053Z-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:27:37 -0500 Received: from tama5.ecl.ntt.co.jp ([129.60.39.102]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWAYJ-00053T-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:27:36 -0500 Received: from vcs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (vcs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.39.110]) by tama5.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBG8RZUC014644; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:27:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vcs3.rdh.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBG8RYpo014501; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:27:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.5.69]) by nttmail3.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBG8RY8H008228; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:27:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from imd.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eclscan3.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.9.3p2/3.7W) with ESMTP id RAA23010; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:27:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by imd.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.9.3p2/3.7W) with ESMTP id RAA01790; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:27:33 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:28:02 +0900 From: Hiroyuki OHNISHI To: Jari Arkko Subject: Re: [Mip6] suggested contents of the IANA registry for MIPv6 Cc: mip6@ietf.org, Thomas Narten , Brian Haberman In-Reply-To: <3FB8BD40.9000805@kolumbus.fi> References: <3FB00581.20304@kolumbus.fi> <3FB8BD40.9000805@kolumbus.fi> Message-Id: <20031216172343.ED93.OHNISHI.HIROYUKI@lab.ntt.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.05.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Is this suggestion approved? Following URL still shows different numbers. http://www.iana.org/assignments/icmpv6-parameters On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:21:20 +0200 Jari Arkko wrote: > An update. Apparently MLDv2 folks have been using ICMP #143 > already, so we'd like to move the MIPv6 numbers one higher, > i.e. 144 and onwards: > > 144 Home Agent Address Discovery Request Message [RFC-ietf-mobileip-ipv6-24.txt] > 145 Home Agent Address Discovery Reply Message [RFC-ietf-mobileip-ipv6-24.txt] > 146 Mobile Prefix Solicitation [RFC-ietf-mobileip-ipv6-24.txt] > 147 Mobile Prefix Advertisement [RFC-ietf-mobileip-ipv6-24.txt] > > unless there are objections. > > --Jari > > > _______________________________________________ > Mip6 mailing list > Mip6@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 -- Hiroyuki OHNISHI NTT Network Service Systems Laboratories Phone: +81-422-59-4132, Fax: +81-422-60-7460 mailto: ohnishi.hiroyuki@lab.ntt.co.jp _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 04:34:40 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA05899 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWBak-0000VU-EL for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:34:11 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBG9Y8o6001938 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:34:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWBag-0000V6-Pi for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:34:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA05845 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWBad-0006jC-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:34:03 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWBad-0006j5-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:34:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWBac-0006j2-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:34:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWBac-0000UT-Se; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:34:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWBZk-0000TH-Lz for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:33:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA05745 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWBZh-0006eO-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:33:05 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWBZg-0006eF-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:33:05 -0500 Received: from p2.piuha.net ([131.160.192.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWBZg-0006dc-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:33:04 -0500 Received: from kolumbus.fi (p3.piuha.net [131.160.192.3]) by p2.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162676A901; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:32:59 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3FDED11A.3030300@kolumbus.fi> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:32:10 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hiroyuki OHNISHI Cc: mip6@ietf.org, Thomas Narten , Brian Haberman Subject: Re: [Mip6] suggested contents of the IANA registry for MIPv6 References: <3FB00581.20304@kolumbus.fi> <3FB8BD40.9000805@kolumbus.fi> <20031216172343.ED93.OHNISHI.HIROYUKI@lab.ntt.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <20031216172343.ED93.OHNISHI.HIROYUKI@lab.ntt.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hiroyuki OHNISHI wrote: > Hi, > > Is this suggestion approved? > > Following URL still shows different numbers. > http://www.iana.org/assignments/icmpv6-parameters I have told IANA to use what I have at http://www.arkko.com/publications/mipv6/iana but I have not heard from them for a while. --Jari _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 05:09:37 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA07607 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWC8b-00023H-84 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:09:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBGA999J007884 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:09:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWC8Y-000235-DM for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:09:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA07601 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWC8V-0000TI-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:09:03 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWC8U-0000TB-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:09:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWC8U-0000T8-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:09:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWC8W-00022P-6F; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:09:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWC8A-000206-4o for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:08:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA07582 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWC86-0000Ss-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:08:38 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWC85-0000Sl-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:08:37 -0500 Received: from mail-dub.microsoft.com ([213.199.128.160]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWC85-0000SW-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:08:37 -0500 Received: from dub-imc-01.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.196.35]) by mail-dub.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:08:06 +0000 Received: from 65.53.196.35 by dub-imc-01.europe.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:08:06 -0000 Received: from EUR-MSG-02.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.192.43]) by dub-imc-01.europe.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:08:06 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7122.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Mip6] suggested contents of the IANA registry for MIPv6 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:03:46 -0000 Message-ID: <579E83556A36E44EB2945CCE990B3174C7AEA8@EUR-MSG-02.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Thread-Topic: [Mip6] suggested contents of the IANA registry for MIPv6 Thread-Index: AcPDt8ojo8pm2tD2RVCszXnkIoQtCAAAkOFw From: "Greg O'Shea" To: "Jari Arkko" , "Hiroyuki OHNISHI" Cc: , "Thomas Narten" , "Brian Haberman" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 10:08:06.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FE18560:01C3C3BC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can build with 143-146 or I can build with 144-147. Which is it? I need to know. (Seasonal Greetings) Greg >-----Original Message----- >From: mip6-admin@ietf.org [mailto:mip6-admin@ietf.org] On=20 >Behalf Of Jari Arkko >Sent: 16 December 2003 09:32 >To: Hiroyuki OHNISHI >Cc: mip6@ietf.org; Thomas Narten; Brian Haberman >Subject: Re: [Mip6] suggested contents of the IANA registry for MIPv6 > >Hiroyuki OHNISHI wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> Is this suggestion approved? >>=20 >> Following URL still shows different numbers. >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/icmpv6-parameters > >I have told IANA to use what I have at > > http://www.arkko.com/publications/mipv6/iana > >but I have not heard from them for a while. > >--Jari > > >_______________________________________________ >Mip6 mailing list >Mip6@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 > _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 06:24:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11543 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDJ8-0005XY-Au for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:24:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBGBO6pK021290 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:24:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDJ8-0005XJ-3r for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:24:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11511 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDJ4-0005Yu-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:24:02 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDJ2-0005Yc-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:24:01 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDJ1-0005YP-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:23:59 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AWDJ4-0002Nb-8r for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:24:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDJ3-0005WY-G8; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:24:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDIL-0005W0-6u for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:23:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11470 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDIH-0005Wg-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:23:13 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDIG-0005WZ-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:23:12 -0500 Received: from p2.piuha.net ([131.160.192.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDIG-0005WW-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:23:12 -0500 Received: from kolumbus.fi (p3.piuha.net [131.160.192.3]) by p2.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6016A903; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:23:12 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3FDEEAEF.3050109@kolumbus.fi> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:22:23 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lee Garth Cc: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] A question in my apprehension of draft 24 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee Garth wrote: > As described in Section 6.3, Home Address Destination Option attached > to an IPv6 packet contains the Mobile Node's home address, while the > Source Address field in the packet is the mobile node's CoA. This is > said to be the rule of forming payload packets sent by a mobile node to > a correspondent node. But in Section 9.3.1, draft say when calculating > the AH value, we must assume that Home Address Destination Option > contains CoA of the sending mobile node, and the Source Address field is > home address. It seems contradictory to me. Its like the rule says: when calculating the authenticator, the packet should be assumed to be in the latter form. Otherwise e.g. on the wire its in the Section 6.3 form. The reason behind this is to ease the calculation of the authenticator in a typical implementation, where the receiver would swap the addresses as it encounters a HAO, so that for upper layers it would look like the packet arrived from the home address. > Same thing happened when I try to grasp the meaning of the Type 2 > Routing Header. In section 6.4 discussing the format of it, > correspondent node should use this routing header to contain the > receiving mobile node's home address. But Section 9.3.2 says when an IP > packet only have a single Type 2 Routing Header, it should contain the > mobile node's CoA, while the destination address field should be the > mobile node's home address. Same answer & reasoning. Hope this helps -- let me know if you have further questions. --Jari _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 16 07:00:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA12445 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDs1-0007Kg-Cz for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:00:09 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBGC09DK028180 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:00:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDs0-0007KR-Ow for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:00:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA12441 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:00:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDrw-0006WL-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:00:04 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDrv-0006WE-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:00:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDrv-0006WB-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:00:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDrt-0007JR-Pv; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:00:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWDrL-0007Il-Tj for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:59:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA12421 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDrH-0006VS-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:59:23 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDrG-0006VL-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:59:23 -0500 Received: from mail-dub.microsoft.com ([213.199.128.160]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWDrG-0006UM-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:59:22 -0500 Received: from dub-imc-01.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.196.35]) by mail-dub.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:52 +0000 Received: from 65.53.196.35 by dub-imc-01.europe.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:51 -0000 Received: from EUR-MSG-02.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.192.43]) by dub-imc-01.europe.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:58:50 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7122.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Mip6] suggested contents of the IANA registry for MIPv6 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:54:27 -0000 Message-ID: <579E83556A36E44EB2945CCE990B3174C7AFDE@EUR-MSG-02.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Thread-Topic: [Mip6] suggested contents of the IANA registry for MIPv6 Thread-Index: AcPDvxIbkyEZIVcWSsOeX+h7PZlkRAADDg3Q From: "Greg O'Shea" To: "Jari Arkko" Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 11:58:50.0030 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7D64CE0:01C3C3CB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, thanks, that's what we'll do.=20 Greg >-----Original Message----- >From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@kolumbus.fi]=20 >Sent: 16 December 2003 10:26 >To: Greg O'Shea >Cc: mip6@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [Mip6] suggested contents of the IANA registry for MIPv6 > >Greg O'Shea wrote: >> I can build with 143-146 or I can build with 144-147. >>=20 >> Which is it? I need to know. > >144-147 are the numbers that I gave to IANA, and ADs and=20 >chairs were a part of that discussion. Go with them. >I suppose the IANA web site will be eventually updated ;-) > >--Jari > > _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 17:04:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA24298 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX6Fc-0003CP-9W for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:04:08 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBIM48H1012293 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:04:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX6Fb-0003CC-V7 for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:04:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA24284 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX6FZ-0005SS-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:04:05 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX6FY-0005SL-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:04:05 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX6FY-0005SI-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:04:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX6FU-0003BV-QW; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:04:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWo1a-0001dA-Sc for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:36:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA18876 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWo1Y-000521-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:36:24 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWo1W-00051u-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:36:23 -0500 Received: from dcs-server2.cs.uiuc.edu ([128.174.252.3]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWo1W-00051d-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:36:22 -0500 Received: from parkslope (12-221-100-79.client.insightBB.com [12.221.100.79]) (authenticated bits=0) by dcs-server2.cs.uiuc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBI2aKjI019164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:36:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <027401c3c50f$b96d1160$6501a8c0@parkslope> From: "Robin Kravets" To: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:36:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Mip6] ACM MobiCom 2004 - Preliminary CFP Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We apologize in advance if you receive multiple copies of this CFP. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PRELIMINARY ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS MobiCom 2004 The Tenth Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking September 26 - October 1, 2004 Philadelphia, PA, USA (dates and location are subject to final approval) http://www.sigmobile.org/mobicom/2004/ Sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE IMPORTANT DATES: Paper registrations due: March 8, 2004 Paper submissions due: March 15, 2004 Notification of acceptance: June 21, 2004 Camera-ready versions due: July 25, 2004 ACM MobiCom 2004, the Tenth Annual International Conference on Mobile Computing and Networking, is the tenth in the series of annual conferences sponsored by ACM SIGMOBILE and dedicated to addressing the challenges in the areas of mobile computing and wireless and mobile networking. 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Potential panel organizers should contact the Panel Co-Chairs, Prathima Agrawal (pagrawal@eng.auburn.edu) and Tao Zhang (tao@research.telcordia.com). The deadline for panel proposals is April 26, 2004. RESEARCH DEMOS AND EXHIBITS: Proposals for research demos are solicited. Proposals should not exceed 3 pages and should include a description of the demo and equipment to be used. Send proposals to the Research Demo Chair, Elizabeth Belding-Royer (ebelding@cs.ucsb.edu). The deadline for demo proposals is July 12, 2004. We are also planning an Expo featuring exhibits of the latest mobile computing products and services. STUDENT POSTER SESSION: Student posters are solicited that present recent and on-going research by students on mobile computing and mobile and wireless networking topics. Student posters should not exceed 2 pages and should include a description of the student's research. See above for paper formatting requirements. Accepted posters will be put on the conference web page; however, they will not be printed in the conference proceedings. Send poster submissions to the Student Poster Co-Chairs, Chiara Petrioli (petrioli@di.uniroma1.it) and Stefano Basagni (basagni@ece.neu.edu). The deadline for student posters is July 12, 2004. BEST STUDENT PAPER AWARD: Papers with a student as a primary author will be considered for the Best Student Paper Award, with a cash award of 1000 USD. Students must indicate with their submission that they would like to be considered for this award. The student author of the awarded paper is expected to present the paper at the conference. GENERAL CHAIR Zygmunt Haas Cornell University PROGRAM CO-CHAIRS Samir R. Das Stony Brook University, SUNY Ravi Jain DoCoMo USA Labs STEERING COMMITTEE CHAIR Imrich Chlamtac University of Texas at Dallas ACM PROGRAM DIRECTOR Ginger Ignatoff Additional committee members will be announced on the conference web page. _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 21:33:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA07225 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXARu-0000Vh-VE for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:33:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJ2X66V001960 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:33:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXARu-0000VX-RI for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:33:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA07203 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXARs-0000nI-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:33:04 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXARq-0000n8-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:33:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXARq-0000n5-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:33:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXARp-0000Tv-M7; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:33:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXAR1-0000Ta-1H for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:32:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA07193 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXAQy-0000mD-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:32:08 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXAQx-0000m4-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:32:07 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXAQx-0000ik-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:32:07 -0500 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Dec 2003 18:35:27 +0000 Received: from mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com [171.71.163.14]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hBJ2VZVM023837; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from cisco.com (jharper-w2k.cisco.com [128.107.163.44]) by mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id AOQ25882; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:31:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3FE26307.3030102@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:31:35 -0800 From: Alpesh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mip6@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Mip6] Draft - draft-patel-vendor-options-00.txt Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi - A new draft is available for your reference at: ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/mipdrafts/draft-patel-vendor-options-00.txt Introduction The base specification of Mobile IPv6 [1] does not allow for organizations and vendors to include organization/vendor- specific information in the Mobile IP messages. It is useful to have vendor or organization Specific Mobility Options in Mobility messages to carry more information than is permitted by standard messaging. This document defines a mobility option that can be used for including organization specific information by vendors/organizations for their own specific purposes. Thx -a _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 19 00:31:25 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA12032 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXDE2-0006vW-Ab for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:30:58 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJ5Uwk1026620 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:30:58 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXDE2-0006vH-68 for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:30:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA11992 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXDDu-0005Kl-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:30:50 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXDDU-0005KZ-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:30:25 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXDDU-0005KC-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:30:24 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXDD8-0006rU-Ho; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:30:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXDCv-0006qm-0B for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:29:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA11959 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXDCk-0005J8-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:29:38 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXDCK-0005J1-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:29:13 -0500 Received: from s31xu4.systems.smu.edu ([129.119.70.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXDCK-0005IR-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:29:12 -0500 Received: from SICLTPC1 ([129.119.251.140]) by s31xu4.systems.smu.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:28:46 -0600 Message-ID: <006401c3c5f0$fa12b9e0$8cfb7781@SICLTPC1> Reply-To: "Jahanzeb Faizan" From: "Jahanzeb Faizan" To: Cc: , References: <003c01c3b5e9$5d3b9860$50fb7781@SICLTPC1> Subject: [Mip6] VHAR Protocol Draft Announcement Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:17:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3C5BD.289C5250" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2003 05:28:47.0048 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9CFE480:01C3C5F0] Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3C5BD.289C5250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. Title : Virtual Home Agent Reliability Protocol (VHAR) Author(s) : J. Faizan Filename : draft-jfaizan-mipv6-vhar-00.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2003-12-18 =09 Current specification of Mobile-IPv6 [1] does not provide Home Agent=20 Reliability and Load Balancing in the Home Network [12]. The aim of this draft is to introduce Virtual Home Agent Reliability Protocol as = the solution. In this protocol multiple Home Agents and Recovery Home = Agents coexist on the same subnet and share the same IP Address. Only = one of them is active at a time and serves the Mobile Node. The Home=20 Agent failure and failover mechanisms are completely transparent to=20 the Mobile Node which is required for minimal service interruption=20 time. This protocol does not introduce any new Mobile-IPv6 message=20 over the air interface and thus helps reducing the overall overhead. 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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=20 directories.

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Pages : 22
Date :=20 2003-12-18

Current specification of Mobile-IPv6 [1] does not = provide=20 Home Agent
   Reliability and Load Balancing in the Home = Network=20 [12]. The aim of
   this draft is to introduce Virtual Home = Agent=20 Reliability Protocol as
   the solution. In this protocol = multiple=20 Home Agents and Recovery Home
   Agents coexist on the = same subnet=20 and share the same IP Address. Only
   one of them is = active at a=20 time and serves the Mobile Node. The Home
   Agent failure = and=20 failover mechanisms are completely transparent to
   the = Mobile=20 Node which is required for minimal service interruption
   = time.=20 This protocol does not introduce any new Mobile-IPv6 message =
  =20 over the air interface and thus helps reducing the overall = overhead.

A=20 URL for this Internet-Draft is:
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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3C5BD.289C5250-- _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 19 09:03:36 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09489 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXLDf-0001Jy-27 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:03:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJE37au005072 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:03:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXLDe-0001Jj-Sh for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:03:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09449 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXLDd-0003tv-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:03:05 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXLDZ-0003tY-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:03:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXLDZ-0003tU-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:03:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXLDZ-0001Hu-7w; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:03:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXLD4-0001Gw-RG for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:02:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09378 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXLD3-0003qu-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:02:29 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXLD1-0003qe-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:02:28 -0500 Received: from p2.piuha.net ([131.160.192.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXLD0-0003qL-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:02:26 -0500 Received: from kolumbus.fi (p3.piuha.net [131.160.192.3]) by p2.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E882C6A908; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:02:24 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3FE304BE.4090808@kolumbus.fi> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:01:34 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alpesh Cc: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Draft - draft-patel-vendor-options-00.txt References: <3FE26307.3030102@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <3FE26307.3030102@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alpesh, Is the purpose to define permanent local enhancements, or to allow for experimentation e.g. trials and tests before we know whether the new scheme makes sense? I'm asking because there is definately a need for the latter, but the former might raise some questions about interoperability. And the solutions for the two goals not be the same. A space specially set aside for experimental moboptions and MH header values would suffice for the experiments, whereas more permanent vendor extensions would require something like you have proposed. --Jari _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 19 11:35:31 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA15136 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXNZj-0008KR-AP for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:34:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJGY3rc032014 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:34:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXNZj-0008KH-5I for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:34:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA15099 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXNZi-0000IV-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:34:02 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXNZh-0000IO-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:34:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXNZh-0000IL-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:34:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXNZh-0008Jh-0E; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:34:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXNZ1-0008Iz-ML for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:33:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA15092 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXNZ0-0000I1-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:33:18 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXNYz-0000Hu-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:33:18 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXNYz-0000HD-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:33:17 -0500 Received: from mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com [171.71.163.14]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hBJGWiJ6023090; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:32:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cisco.com (sjc-vpn1-150.cisco.com [10.21.96.150]) by mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id AOQ60857; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:32:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3FE3282B.3000905@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:32:43 -0800 From: Alpesh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jari Arkko CC: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Draft - draft-patel-vendor-options-00.txt References: <3FE26307.3030102@cisco.com> <3FE304BE.4090808@kolumbus.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jari - The intention of this draft is for the vendors to add their information in the control messages. I was looking more on lines of skippable and non-skippable options in MIPv6, but my search found that they were not considered. I am working on a draft to reserve experimental number space (similar effort in mip4 WG) to permit experimentation (which will not be in shipped products). Good that you see a need for experimental extensions - more reason to publish it sooner than later :) -a Jari Arkko wrote: > > Alpesh, > > Is the purpose to define permanent local enhancements, or to > allow for experimentation e.g. trials and tests before we know > whether the new scheme makes sense? > > I'm asking because there is definately a need for the latter, > but the former might raise some questions about interoperability. > And the solutions for the two goals not be the same. A space specially > set aside for experimental moboptions and MH header values would > suffice for the experiments, whereas more permanent vendor extensions > would require something like you have proposed. > > --Jari > > > _______________________________________________ > Mip6 mailing list > Mip6@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 > _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 19 13:49:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA19635 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXPgP-0006HO-0t for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:49:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBJIn4An024132 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:49:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXPgO-0006H9-Si for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:49:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA19618 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXPgM-000495-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:49:02 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXPgL-00048y-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:49:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXPgL-00048v-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:49:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXPgL-0006FQ-IU; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:49:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AXPfj-0006ES-AA for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:48:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA19569 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXPfg-00046w-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:48:21 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AXPfg-00046p-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:48:20 -0500 Received: from p2.piuha.net ([131.160.192.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AXPff-00046k-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:48:20 -0500 Received: from kolumbus.fi (p3.piuha.net [131.160.192.3]) by p2.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AEE6A908; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:48:18 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3FE347BF.4060308@kolumbus.fi> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:47:27 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alpesh Cc: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Draft - draft-patel-vendor-options-00.txt References: <3FE26307.3030102@cisco.com> <3FE304BE.4090808@kolumbus.fi> <3FE3282B.3000905@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <3FE3282B.3000905@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alpesh wrote: > Jari - > > The intention of this draft is for the vendors to add their information > in the > control messages. I was looking more on lines of skippable and > non-skippable > options in MIPv6, but my search found that they were not considered. Yes. On the other *everything* beyond the base specification is skippable. So on the surface it looks like there could never be any interoperability or "vendor lock-ins" due to vendor specific options. However, I'm not sure this would prevent someone from sending a 129 if, say, a vendor specific authorization mobption was missing. If you have good ideas how to avoid us getting into that kind of a situation, let us know... > Good that you see a need for experimental extensions - more reason to publish it > sooner than later Please do. That could be a very short RFC that simply updates the IANA tables. --Jari _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Dec 21 11:34:34 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28364 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AY6Wr-0004Ag-LG for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:34:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBLGY5Ym016034 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:34:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AY6Wr-0004AX-F1 for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:34:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28346 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AY6Wq-0002El-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:34:04 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AY6Wp-0002Ec-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:34:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AY6Wp-0002EZ-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:34:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AY6Wn-00049y-04; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:34:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AY6W8-00049Z-H3 for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:33:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28333 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AY6W7-0002Dg-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:33:19 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AY6W6-0002DV-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:33:19 -0500 Received: from bundit.graduate.kmitl.ac.th ([161.246.39.3]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AY6W4-00029z-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:33:17 -0500 Received: from graduate.kmitl.ac.th ([161.246.39.95]) by bundit.graduate.kmitl.ac.th (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id hBLG2Fes012985; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:02:16 +0700 Message-ID: <3FE5C5D3.8060307@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:09:55 +0700 From: Warodom Werapun User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: th, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vijay Devarapalli , satomi@nttmcl.com, desai@nttmcl.com, cgentry@docomolabs-usa.com, kempf@docomolabs-usa.com, silver@math.ohio-state.edu, yiqun@alum.mit.edu CC: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Secure binding update.. References: <3FD338ED.5080900@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FD36BC9.7060306@iprg.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <3FD36BC9.7060306@iprg.nokia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.75.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After I read IPSec-draft, I found this URL: http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~silver/bibliography/mobileip It's "Securing MIPv6 Binding Updates Using Address Based Keys (ABKs)" and already expired. I don't see " http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipsec-ui-suites-04.txt , http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipsec-ikev2-algorithms-04.txt and there are more at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ipsec-charter.html" talking about Address Based Keys. This internet-draft wasn't interesting? How do you think about ABKs? Best regards, -- Warodom Werapun PGP: http://plex.coe.psu.ac.th/myPGP.txt Vijay Devarapalli wrote: > have you taken a look at > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mobileip-mipv6-ha-ipsec-06.txt? > > > Warodom Werapun wrote: > >> >> Currently, Is Binding Update(BU) message security base on IPSec ? >> I had read IPSec specification. It seems to abstract information only. >> I mean, IPSec doesn't tell me, which algorithm is used to encrypt or >> sign mesgs. >> It provides only framework (protocol) and modes (transport and tunnel). >> I'm not sure that I understand correctly, if I'm wrong, could you >> please correct me. >> >> For those reasons, I like to applied Indentity Base Signature to BU >> message for protected the fake BU message sending by adversary nodes. >> >> Do you have any ideas? I'd like to got some advises. Thank you. >> >> Best regards, > _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Dec 21 15:20:01 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04145 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYA2c-0001w6-0U for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:19:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBLKJ56H007443 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:19:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYA2b-0001vx-Mi for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:19:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04131 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYA2a-0007hI-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:19:04 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYA2Z-0007hB-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:19:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYA2Z-0007h8-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:19:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYA2X-0001vK-D1; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:19:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYA21-0001up-EO for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:18:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04117 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYA20-0007h2-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:18:28 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYA1z-0007gv-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:18:27 -0500 Received: from fep01-0.kolumbus.fi ([193.229.0.41] helo=fep01-app.kolumbus.fi) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYA1y-0007gs-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:18:27 -0500 Received: from kolumbus.fi ([62.248.170.204]) by fep01-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20031221201825.MBLX9750.fep01-app.kolumbus.fi@kolumbus.fi>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:18:25 +0200 Message-ID: <3FE5FFBE.1000604@kolumbus.fi> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:17:02 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warodom Werapun CC: Vijay Devarapalli , satomi@nttmcl.com, desai@nttmcl.com, cgentry@docomolabs-usa.com, kempf@docomolabs-usa.com, silver@math.ohio-state.edu, yiqun@alum.mit.edu, mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Secure binding update.. References: <3FD338ED.5080900@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FD36BC9.7060306@iprg.nokia.com> <3FE5C5D3.8060307@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <3FE5C5D3.8060307@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warodom Werapun wrote: > > After I read IPSec-draft, I found this URL: > http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~silver/bibliography/mobileip > It's "Securing MIPv6 Binding Updates Using Address Based Keys (ABKs)" > and already expired. > > I don't see " > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipsec-ui-suites-04.txt , > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipsec-ikev2-algorithms-04.txt > > and there are more at > http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ipsec-charter.html" talking about > Address Based Keys. > > This internet-draft wasn't interesting? How do you think about ABKs? ABKs were considered as a potential mechanism to secure BUs to correspondent nodes, among other techniques. The current RR technique was the one chosen for the base spec, however. ABKs do not have anything to do with IPsec SAs. --Jari _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Dec 21 21:49:35 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA15930 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYG7z-0004G9-9W for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:49:08 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBM2n3v3016369 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:49:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYG7z-0004Fw-4L for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:49:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA15926 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYG7w-0001q4-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:49:00 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYG7v-0001px-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:48:59 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYG7v-0001pu-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:48:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYG7x-0004FO-4U; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:49:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYG76-0004Ez-WE for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:48:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA15913 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYG74-0001pF-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:48:06 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYG73-0001p8-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:48:05 -0500 Received: from bundit.graduate.kmitl.ac.th ([161.246.39.3]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYG70-0001oN-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:48:03 -0500 Received: from graduate.kmitl.ac.th ([161.246.39.95]) by bundit.graduate.kmitl.ac.th (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id hBM2dUes015471; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:39:33 +0700 Message-ID: <3FE65B33.50706@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:47:15 +0700 From: Warodom Werapun User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: th, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jari Arkko CC: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Secure binding update.. References: <3FD338ED.5080900@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FD36BC9.7060306@iprg.nokia.com> <3FE5C5D3.8060307@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FE5FFBE.1000604@kolumbus.fi> In-Reply-To: <3FE5FFBE.1000604@kolumbus.fi> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.75.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > ABKs were considered as a potential mechanism to secure BUs to > correspondent nodes, among other techniques. The current RR > technique was the one chosen for the base spec, however. > > ABKs do not have anything to do with IPsec SAs. In ABKs draft said that (http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~silver/bibliography/mobileip) RR has a weakness that if an attacker can eavesdrop on two links (HA-CN and MN-CN), then it can send a fake BU successfully. CGA with an initial round of RR is susceptible to this attack. The ABK protocol does not have this weakness: an attacker who can eavesdrop on two links still cannot send a MAC'd BU. However, if an attacker Okazaki, S. Informational [Page 12] Internet Draft Securing BUs July, 2002 can alter messages on both the MN-CN and HA-CN links, then it is possible to establish a fake BU with CN. As mentioned above, both RR and CGA (with an initial round of RR) are susceptible to a similar attack. Why current RR technique was choosed? How RR technique protected this problem? -- Warodom Werapun PGP: http://plex.coe.psu.ac.th/myPGP.txt _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 22 02:31:03 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06035 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYKWG-0005DX-3w for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:30:35 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBM7UNJQ020041 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:30:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYKWF-0005D3-K1 for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:30:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06003 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYKWB-00019T-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:30:20 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYKWA-00019M-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:30:19 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYKWA-00019J-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:30:18 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYKVz-0005BM-Jr; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:30:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYKV4-00059K-0T for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:29:25 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA05955 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYKV0-00010z-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:29:06 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYKUz-00010s-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:29:05 -0500 Received: from fep21-0.kolumbus.fi ([193.229.0.48] helo=fep21-app.kolumbus.fi) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYKUy-00010p-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:29:04 -0500 Received: from kolumbus.fi ([62.248.170.204]) by fep21-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20031222072904.KSUM27281.fep21-app.kolumbus.fi@kolumbus.fi>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:29:04 +0200 Message-ID: <3FE69D08.7020206@kolumbus.fi> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:28:08 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warodom Werapun CC: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Secure binding update.. References: <3FD338ED.5080900@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FD36BC9.7060306@iprg.nokia.com> <3FE5C5D3.8060307@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FE5FFBE.1000604@kolumbus.fi> <3FE65B33.50706@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <3FE65B33.50706@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warodom Werapun wrote: > >> >> ABKs were considered as a potential mechanism to secure BUs to >> correspondent nodes, among other techniques. The current RR >> technique was the one chosen for the base spec, however. >> >> ABKs do not have anything to do with IPsec SAs. > > > In ABKs draft said that > (http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~silver/bibliography/mobileip) > RR has a weakness that if an attacker can eavesdrop on two links > (HA-CN and MN-CN), then it can send a fake BU successfully. CGA with an > initial round of RR is susceptible to this attack. The ABK protocol does > not have this weakness: an attacker who can eavesdrop on two links still > cannot send a MAC'd BU. However, if an attacker Okazaki, S. > Informational [Page 12] Internet Draft Securing BUs July, 2002 can > alter messages on both the MN-CN and HA-CN links, then it is possible to > establish a fake BU with CN. As mentioned above, both RR and CGA (with > an initial round of RR) are susceptible to a similar attack. > > Why current RR technique was choosed? How RR technique protected > this problem? Some of the background has been discussed in http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nikander-mobileip-v6-ro-sec-02.txt --Jari _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 22 12:20:41 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25801 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYTj3-0001T7-Eg for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:20:14 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBMHKDkh005640 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:20:13 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYTj3-0001Sr-84 for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:20:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25790 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYTj1-0002rX-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:20:11 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYTj0-0002rQ-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:20:11 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYTj0-0002rN-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:20:10 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYTiu-0001Rz-EK; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:20:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AYTiG-0001Qw-8M for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:19:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25776 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYTiE-0002qg-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:19:22 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AYTiD-0002qZ-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:19:22 -0500 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AYTiD-0002qW-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:19:21 -0500 Message-ID: <024e01c3c8af$c3f23bd0$5b6015ac@dclkempt40> From: "James Kempf" To: "Warodom Werapun" , "Jari Arkko" Cc: References: <3FD338ED.5080900@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FD36BC9.7060306@iprg.nokia.com> <3FE5C5D3.8060307@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FE5FFBE.1000604@kolumbus.fi> <3FE65B33.50706@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> Subject: Re: [Mip6] Secure binding update.. Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:19:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warodom, ABKs require some minimal amount of infrastructure, not as much as a PKI, but more than RR. The base algorithm for securing binding updates in Mobile IP requires that two random nodes on the Internet without any access to common infrastructure can participate in route optimization, since there is currently (and for the forseeable future) not likely to be any common infrastructure available in the general case (specific deployments of Mobile IP where security infrastructure already exists, for example by licensed spectrum cellular providers, may be exceptions). As in any security problem, the task of securing Mobile IP route optimization is a matter of identifying the attacks together with their risks and coming up with solutions that address the most likely attacks and those with highest risk. The flaws you cite in RR were deemed acceptable risks in that they do not make Mobile IPv6 less secure than Mobile IPv4. In addition, the most likely place where a man in the middle attack could occur is on the last hop, by performing attacks on RFC 2461 and RFC 2462 Neighbor Discovery. In response to this possibility, the SEND working group was formed and is almost complete with a protocol that will prevent address spoofing and router spoofing on the local link. Man in the middle attacks on other parts of the routing infrastructure are, of course possible, but less much less likely and much easier to defend against. There are some other problems with ABK as a general solution to securing route optimization for Mobile IP, and with the technique as outlined in the draft you cite. With some additional work, it might be acceptable in specialized deployments, but there is a definite tradeoff against existing PKI methods, since the infrastructure for PKI methods is already partially available while the infrastructure for ABK would need to be deployed from scratch, and the two methods of securing route optimization share many characteristics. jak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warodom Werapun" To: "Jari Arkko" Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Mip6] Secure binding update.. > > > > > ABKs were considered as a potential mechanism to secure BUs to > > correspondent nodes, among other techniques. The current RR > > technique was the one chosen for the base spec, however. > > > > ABKs do not have anything to do with IPsec SAs. > > In ABKs draft said that > (http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~silver/bibliography/mobileip) > > RR has a weakness that if an attacker can eavesdrop on two links > (HA-CN and MN-CN), then it can send a fake BU successfully. CGA with an > initial round of RR is susceptible to this attack. The ABK protocol does > not have this weakness: an attacker who can eavesdrop on two links still > cannot send a MAC'd BU. However, if an attacker Okazaki, S. > Informational [Page 12] Internet Draft Securing BUs July, 2002 can > alter messages on both the MN-CN and HA-CN links, then it is possible to > establish a fake BU with CN. As mentioned above, both RR and CGA (with > an initial round of RR) are susceptible to a similar attack. > > Why current RR technique was choosed? How RR technique protected > this problem? > > -- > Warodom Werapun > PGP: http://plex.coe.psu.ac.th/myPGP.txt > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mip6 mailing list > Mip6@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 > _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 24 22:28:53 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA02618 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:28:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZMAk-00069V-2U for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:28:26 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBP3SQY7023645 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:28:26 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZMAj-00069I-SQ for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:28:25 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA02612 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZMAg-0002Co-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:28:22 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AZM8s-00028r-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:26:30 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZM8Q-000248-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:26:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZM8O-00062p-9J; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:26:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZGhd-0004JS-Jj for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:38:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA24436 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZGhb-0001wo-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:37:59 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AZGfo-0001vY-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:36:09 -0500 Received: from motgate8.mot.com ([129.188.136.8]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZGeG-0001tN-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:34:32 -0500 Received: from il06exr03.mot.com (il06exr03.mot.com [129.188.137.133]) by motgate8.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate3) with ESMTP id hBOLYWpG029250 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from zfr01srv02.crm.mot.com (zfr01srv02.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.8]) by il06exr03.mot.com (Motorola/il06exr03) with ESMTP id hBOLYT3B006293 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:34:30 -0600 Received: from motorola.com (test9.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.219]) by zfr01srv02.crm.mot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EF385272C for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:34:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3FEA0664.3050401@motorola.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:34:28 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mip6@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.72.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Mip6] Question on secured Alternate CoA Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Sorry if this has been asked before, or if my reading is incomplete. Can an MN send a BU to its HA _without_ the Alternate CoA option? The current MN-HA security spec seems (in my interpretation) to require the CoA of a MN away from home to be present in the Alternate CoA mobility option field of a Binding Update Message in a Mobility Header (section 3.1 of draft-06) in order to "ensure that the CoA is protected by ESP". Since draft-mobileipv6-24 says MN SHOULD use ESP to to protect the BU and the MN-HA security spec says that the Alternate CoA field MUST support the ACoA address, this almost boils down to always use the ACoA field equalling the src address CoA. So I was wondering whether it is still legal for MN to send BU's protected by ESP in transport mode to its HA (no RO), but without the Alternate CoA field. Thanks, Alex _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 24 22:56:45 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA03114 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZMbX-0007IQ-JK for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:56:18 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBP3u7gX028040 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:56:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZMbX-0007IB-F6 for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:56:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA03097 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZMbU-0002lU-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:56:04 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AZMZY-0002iK-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:54:05 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZMXf-0002ej-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:52:07 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZMXX-00079l-Ue; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:51:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZMWk-00079B-Un for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:51:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA03051 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZMWa-0002eN-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:51:00 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AZMTj-0002bf-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:48:04 -0500 Received: from bundit.graduate.kmitl.ac.th ([161.246.39.3]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZMRp-0002Za-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:46:05 -0500 Received: from graduate.kmitl.ac.th ([161.246.39.95]) by bundit.graduate.kmitl.ac.th (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id hBP3a0es032512; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 10:36:00 +0700 Message-ID: <3FEA5D18.4020000@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 10:44:24 +0700 From: Warodom Werapun User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: th, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Kempf , jari.arkko@kolumbus.fi CC: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Secure binding update.. References: <3FD338ED.5080900@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FD36BC9.7060306@iprg.nokia.com> <3FE5C5D3.8060307@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FE5FFBE.1000604@kolumbus.fi> <3FE65B33.50706@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <024e01c3c8af$c3f23bd0$5b6015ac@dclkempt40> In-Reply-To: <024e01c3c8af$c3f23bd0$5b6015ac@dclkempt40> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.75.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How ABKs protect man in the middle attack? In 6.1.2 Man-in-the middle attacks? " However, if an attacker Okazaki, S. Informational [Page 12] Internet Draft Securing BUs July, 2002 can alter messages on both the MN-CN and HA-CN links, then it is possible to establish a fake BU with CN. " Because ABK1 - ABK4 does not sign, so adversary can alter messages following above. How this draft solve this problem? And another question, the process to success BU messages for mobile node, mobile node sent ABK1 - ABK6. Although, Identity based cryto was based on ECC (that used small key size more than RSA) but if we compare ABK1-6 (of course plus IP Header overhead for message) with 1 message using tradition PKI (such as RSA, attach with certificate). Tradition PKI consume less bandwidth than ABK, is it? (coz i think that 5 messages * IP header quite bigger than 1 mesgs plus certificated ). And if we get out ABK1-ABK4 by using method => mobile node send binding update attached with certificated of system paramater.(still using Identity based cryptography) Is this better than your proposed method? Best regards, Warodom Werapun James Kempf wrote: >Warodom, > >ABKs require some minimal amount of infrastructure, not as much as a PKI, >but more than RR. The base algorithm for securing binding updates in Mobile >IP requires that two random nodes on the Internet without any access to >common infrastructure can participate in route optimization, since there is >currently (and for the forseeable future) not likely to be any common >infrastructure available in the general case (specific deployments of Mobile >IP where security infrastructure already exists, for example by licensed >spectrum cellular providers, may be exceptions). > >As in any security problem, the task of securing Mobile IP route >optimization is a matter of identifying the attacks together with their >risks and coming up with solutions that address the most likely attacks and >those with highest risk. The flaws you cite in RR were deemed acceptable >risks in that they do not make Mobile IPv6 less secure than Mobile IPv4. In >addition, the most likely place where a man in the middle attack could occur >is on the last hop, by performing attacks on RFC 2461 and RFC 2462 Neighbor >Discovery. In response to this possibility, the SEND working group was >formed and is almost complete with a protocol that will prevent address >spoofing and router spoofing on the local link. Man in the middle attacks on >other parts of the routing infrastructure are, of course possible, but less >much less likely and much easier to defend against. > >There are some other problems with ABK as a general solution to securing >route optimization for Mobile IP, and with the technique as outlined in the >draft you cite. With some additional work, it might be acceptable in >specialized deployments, but there is a definite tradeoff against existing >PKI methods, since the infrastructure for PKI methods is already partially >available while the infrastructure for ABK would need to be deployed from >scratch, and the two methods of securing route optimization share many >characteristics. > > jak > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Warodom Werapun" >To: "Jari Arkko" >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 6:47 PM >Subject: Re: [Mip6] Secure binding update.. > > > > >>>ABKs were considered as a potential mechanism to secure BUs to >>>correspondent nodes, among other techniques. The current RR >>>technique was the one chosen for the base spec, however. >>> >>>ABKs do not have anything to do with IPsec SAs. >>> >>> >>In ABKs draft said that >>(http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~silver/bibliography/mobileip) >> >> RR has a weakness that if an attacker can eavesdrop on two links >>(HA-CN and MN-CN), then it can send a fake BU successfully. CGA with an >>initial round of RR is susceptible to this attack. The ABK protocol does >>not have this weakness: an attacker who can eavesdrop on two links still >>cannot send a MAC'd BU. However, if an attacker Okazaki, S. >>Informational [Page 12] Internet Draft Securing BUs July, 2002 can >>alter messages on both the MN-CN and HA-CN links, then it is possible to >>establish a fake BU with CN. As mentioned above, both RR and CGA (with >>an initial round of RR) are susceptible to a similar attack. >> >> Why current RR technique was choosed? How RR technique protected >>this problem? >> >>-- >>Warodom Werapun >>PGP: http://plex.coe.psu.ac.th/myPGP.txt >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Mip6 mailing list >>Mip6@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Mip6 mailing list >Mip6@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 > > > -- Warodom Werapun PGP: http://plex.coe.psu.ac.th/myPGP.txt _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 25 05:24:47 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA23523 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZSfE-00051F-9Q for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:24:20 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBPAOKt6019294 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:24:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZSfC-000517-Mq for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:24:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA23511 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZSf9-0003zG-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:24:15 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AZSdI-0003xe-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:22:21 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZSc1-0003vW-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:21:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZSc1-0004r8-HP; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:21:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZSbG-0004qO-K3 for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:20:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA23422 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:20:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZSbD-0003tA-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:20:11 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AZSZM-0003rA-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:18:16 -0500 Received: from law9-f106.law9.hotmail.com ([64.4.9.106] helo=hotmail.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZSXv-0003oi-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:16:47 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 02:16:17 -0800 Received: from 218.22.21.27 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 10:16:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [218.22.21.27] X-Originating-Email: [garthdawn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: garthdawn@hotmail.com From: "Lee Garth" To: mip6@ietf.org Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 10:16:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2003 10:16:17.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[225797C0:01C3CAD0] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id FAA23423 Subject: [Mip6] I am still puzzled in DAD mechanism in mipv6 Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello to all: In a draft issued in July:draft-park-ipv6-dad-problem-wlan-00.txt The author says besides the time cost in the procedure that MN procee= ds=20 the DAD itself, there is mechanical deficiency in applying DAD in wireles= s=20 environment. In chapter 2, it says: "In this case, IPv6 DAD will not be able to detect duplicate address in 802.11 environment because if am 802.11 end station recevies a DAD packet from a node which is having same MAC, the 802.11 end=20 station discards the frame and will not be able to defend the DAD. So the DAD always succeeds even though there are two end stations=20 with the same MAC address. Consequently, IPv6 node generates its address without any=20 duplication, but this address is not unique address but duplicated address. This= =20 concludes that "Multicast Packet Filtering based on Source Address"= =20 makes "Duplicate Address Detection" procedure trivial." This draft provides in Chapter 3.2 two possible solutions: * Enhanced Multicast Filtering at Layer 2 * Selective Filtering at Layer 2 =20 But I don't see any subsequent draft concerning this defect and=20 thinking over further implementations. All drafts and discussions I have=20 read are about reducing the time cost in DAD procedure. Have it already=20 been avoided or amended in draft24? What is the solution then? I would be= =20 very thankful if anyone here illuminates it to me. Happy Christmas to all.... Yours=20 =20 Garthdawn 'spamcontrol ' _________________________________________________________________ =CF=ED=D3=C3=CA=C0=BD=E7=C9=CF=D7=EE=B4=F3=B5=C4=B5=E7=D7=D3=D3=CA=BC=FE=CF= =B5=CD=B3=A1=AA MSN Hotmail=A1=A3 http://www.hotmail.com =20 _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 26 04:45:11 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA11853 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZoWQ-0008Vt-D2 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:44:43 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBQ9igEY032721 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:44:42 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZoWO-0008Vc-MF for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:44:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA11849 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZoWL-0001lb-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:44:37 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AZoUW-0001k4-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:42:45 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZoTd-0001hu-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:41:50 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZoT5-0008QJ-FQ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:41:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZoSU-0008Oz-Dl for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:40:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA11724 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZoSQ-0001ex-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:40:34 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AZoQV-0001by-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:38:35 -0500 Received: from p2.piuha.net ([131.160.192.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZoOb-0001YH-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:36:37 -0500 Received: from kolumbus.fi (p3.piuha.net [131.160.192.3]) by p2.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6016A904; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:36:19 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3FEC00D2.7010406@kolumbus.fi> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:35:14 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lee Garth Cc: mip6@ietf.org, Greg Daley Subject: Re: [Mip6] I am still puzzled in DAD mechanism in mipv6 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee Garth wrote: > In a draft issued in July:draft-park-ipv6-dad-problem-wlan-00.txt > The author says besides the time cost in the procedure that MN proceeds the DAD itself, there is mechanical deficiency in applying DAD in wireless environment. > > In chapter 2, it says: > "In this case, IPv6 DAD will not be able to detect duplicate address > in 802.11 environment because if am 802.11 end station recevies > a DAD packet from a node which is having same MAC, the 802.11 end station discards the frame and will not be able to defend the DAD. (snip) > But I don't see any subsequent draft concerning this defect and > thinking over further implementations. All drafts and discussions I have > read are about reducing the time cost in DAD procedure. Have it already > been avoided or amended in draft24? What is the solution then? I would > be very thankful if anyone here illuminates it to me. I am not aware of any discussion regarding this, but it is possible that DNA BOF/WG has discussed it. Greg? Draft 24 certainly does not (and will not) address the defect that you mention. The issue is not mobility specific. It might even be a non-IETF problem. --Jari _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Dec 26 05:19:07 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA12755 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZp3H-0000zj-Jo for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:18:39 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBQAId2j003823 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:18:39 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZp3H-0000za-1q for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:18:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA12732 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZp3D-0002sn-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:18:35 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AZp1S-0002rC-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:16:47 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZozk-0002oO-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:15:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZozl-0000tW-Qv; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:15:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZozX-0000tH-8S for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:14:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA12591 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZozT-0002lZ-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:14:44 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AZoxi-0002hg-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:12:55 -0500 Received: from p2.piuha.net ([131.160.192.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AZow1-0002dg-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:11:10 -0500 Received: from kolumbus.fi (p3.piuha.net [131.160.192.3]) by p2.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9916A901; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:11:10 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3FEC08F6.2070106@kolumbus.fi> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:09:58 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexandru Petrescu Cc: mip6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Mip6] Question on secured Alternate CoA References: <3FEA0664.3050401@motorola.com> In-Reply-To: <3FEA0664.3050401@motorola.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alexandru Petrescu wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry if this has been asked before, or if my reading is incomplete. > > Can an MN send a BU to its HA _without_ the Alternate CoA option? > > The current MN-HA security spec seems (in my interpretation) to require > the CoA of a MN away from home to be present in the Alternate CoA > mobility option field of a Binding Update Message in a Mobility Header > (section 3.1 of draft-06) in order to "ensure that the CoA is protected > by ESP". > > Since draft-mobileipv6-24 says MN SHOULD use ESP to to protect the BU > and the MN-HA security spec says that the Alternate CoA field MUST > support the ACoA address, this almost boils down to always use the ACoA > field equalling the src address CoA. > > So I was wondering whether it is still legal for MN to send BU's > protected by ESP in transport mode to its HA (no RO), but without the > Alternate CoA field. It is, but only when you are home. Section 4.3: o When ESP is used to protect Binding Updates, there is no protection for the care-of address which appears in the IPv6 header outside the area protected by ESP. It is important for the home agent to verify that the care-of address has not been tampered with. As a result, the attacker would have redirected the mobile node's traffic to another address. In order to prevent this, Mobile IPv6 implementations MUST use the Alternate Care-of Address mobility option in Binding Updates sent by mobile nodes while away from home. The exception to this is when the mobile node returns home and sends a Binding Update to the home agent in order to de-register. In this case no Alternate Care-of Address option is needed, as described in Section 3.1. I guess this also implies that if a home agent receives a BU with no alternate care-of address moboption, and source address NOT equal to the home address, the packet should be dropped. --Jari _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 29 13:02:26 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06497 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ab1iI-0002d5-E3 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:01:59 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBTI1wYx010103 for mip6-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:01:58 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ab1iI-0002cs-8u for mip6-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:01:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06444 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab1iG-0006KR-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:01:56 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab1gL-0006Fs-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:59:58 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab1er-0006AH-00 for mip6-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:58:25 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ab1eT-0002Hd-Dq; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:58:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ab1dM-0002Er-Nt for mip6@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:57:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA06182 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab1dB-00065J-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:56:41 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab1XV-0005zu-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:50:50 -0500 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab1VP-0005uv-00 for mip6@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:48:39 -0500 Message-ID: <015201c3ce33$f199fa80$5b6015ac@dclkempt40> From: "James Kempf" To: "Warodom Werapun" , Cc: References: <3FD338ED.5080900@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FD36BC9.7060306@iprg.nokia.com> <3FE5C5D3.8060307@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <3FE5FFBE.1000604@kolumbus.fi> <3FE65B33.50706@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> <024e01c3c8af$c3f23bd0$5b6015ac@dclkempt40> <3FEA5D18.4020000@graduate.kmitl.ac.th> Subject: Re: [Mip6] Secure binding update.. Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:48:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mip6-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mip6-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mip6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warodom, As I stated in my email, there are a number of problems with ABK for BUs as specified in the draft you cite. Due to lack of interest by the Mobile IP community, Docomo Labs USA has dropped work on ABK for BUs at this time. If interest revives in the future, we may reactivate the draft. jak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warodom Werapun" To: "James Kempf" ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Mip6] Secure binding update.. > > How ABKs protect man in the middle attack? > > In 6.1.2 Man-in-the middle attacks? > > " However, if an attacker Okazaki, S. > Informational [Page 12] Internet Draft Securing BUs July, 2002 can > alter messages on both the MN-CN and HA-CN links, then it is possible to > establish a fake BU with CN. " > > Because ABK1 - ABK4 does not sign, so adversary can alter messages > following above. How this draft solve this problem? > > > And another question, the process to success BU messages for mobile > node, mobile node sent ABK1 - ABK6. Although, Identity based cryto was > based on ECC (that used small key size more than RSA) but if we compare > ABK1-6 (of course plus IP Header overhead for message) with 1 message > using tradition PKI (such as RSA, attach with certificate). Tradition > PKI consume less bandwidth than ABK, is it? (coz i think that 5 > messages * IP header quite bigger than 1 mesgs plus certificated ). And > if we get out ABK1-ABK4 by using method => mobile node send binding > update attached with certificated of system paramater.(still using > Identity based cryptography) Is this better than your proposed method? > > Best regards, > Warodom Werapun > > > James Kempf wrote: > > >Warodom, > > > >ABKs require some minimal amount of infrastructure, not as much as a PKI, > >but more than RR. The base algorithm for securing binding updates in Mobile > >IP requires that two random nodes on the Internet without any access to > >common infrastructure can participate in route optimization, since there is > >currently (and for the forseeable future) not likely to be any common > >infrastructure available in the general case (specific deployments of Mobile > >IP where security infrastructure already exists, for example by licensed > >spectrum cellular providers, may be exceptions). > > > >As in any security problem, the task of securing Mobile IP route > >optimization is a matter of identifying the attacks together with their > >risks and coming up with solutions that address the most likely attacks and > >those with highest risk. The flaws you cite in RR were deemed acceptable > >risks in that they do not make Mobile IPv6 less secure than Mobile IPv4. In > >addition, the most likely place where a man in the middle attack could occur > >is on the last hop, by performing attacks on RFC 2461 and RFC 2462 Neighbor > >Discovery. In response to this possibility, the SEND working group was > >formed and is almost complete with a protocol that will prevent address > >spoofing and router spoofing on the local link. Man in the middle attacks on > >other parts of the routing infrastructure are, of course possible, but less > >much less likely and much easier to defend against. > > > >There are some other problems with ABK as a general solution to securing > >route optimization for Mobile IP, and with the technique as outlined in the > >draft you cite. With some additional work, it might be acceptable in > >specialized deployments, but there is a definite tradeoff against existing > >PKI methods, since the infrastructure for PKI methods is already partially > >available while the infrastructure for ABK would need to be deployed from > >scratch, and the two methods of securing route optimization share many > >characteristics. > > > > jak > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Warodom Werapun" > >To: "Jari Arkko" > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 6:47 PM > >Subject: Re: [Mip6] Secure binding update.. > > > > > > > > > >>>ABKs were considered as a potential mechanism to secure BUs to > >>>correspondent nodes, among other techniques. The current RR > >>>technique was the one chosen for the base spec, however. > >>> > >>>ABKs do not have anything to do with IPsec SAs. > >>> > >>> > >>In ABKs draft said that > >>(http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~silver/bibliography/mobileip) > >> > >> RR has a weakness that if an attacker can eavesdrop on two links > >>(HA-CN and MN-CN), then it can send a fake BU successfully. CGA with an > >>initial round of RR is susceptible to this attack. The ABK protocol does > >>not have this weakness: an attacker who can eavesdrop on two links still > >>cannot send a MAC'd BU. However, if an attacker Okazaki, S. > >>Informational [Page 12] Internet Draft Securing BUs July, 2002 can > >>alter messages on both the MN-CN and HA-CN links, then it is possible to > >>establish a fake BU with CN. As mentioned above, both RR and CGA (with > >>an initial round of RR) are susceptible to a similar attack. > >> > >> Why current RR technique was choosed? How RR technique protected > >>this problem? > >> > >>-- > >>Warodom Werapun > >>PGP: http://plex.coe.psu.ac.th/myPGP.txt > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Mip6 mailing list > >>Mip6@ietf.org > >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Mip6 mailing list > >Mip6@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 > > > > > > > > > -- > Warodom Werapun > PGP: http://plex.coe.psu.ac.th/myPGP.txt > > > _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6