From magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Wed May 2 06:00:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D09321F8646 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 06:00:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.13 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.13 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.119, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z0mmQAxS9nOW for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 06:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EF921F863D for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 06:00:55 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7b76ae0000063d8-b2-4fa1300601f7 Received: from esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 9E.6E.25560.60031AF4; Wed, 2 May 2012 15:00:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Wed, 2 May 2012 15:00:54 +0200 Message-ID: <4FA13005.1090202@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:00:53 +0200 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120420 Thunderbird/12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Miguel A. Garcia" References: <4F8EBB4E.7080804@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4F8EBB4E.7080804@ericsson.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: Flemming Andreasen , "draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis.authors@tools.ietf.org" , mmusic Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] WGLC of draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-29.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 13:00:56 -0000 On 2012-04-18 15:02, Miguel A. Garcia wrote: > This is to start a 4-week Working Group Last Call for > > draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-29.txt > > The WGLC ends on May 16th, 2012. Notice that this is a special 4-week > WGLC due to the length of the document. > > We would especially like reviewers to focus on the changes since the last > WGLC, which was for version -23. > > Please reply to this e-mail that includes the authors and the mailing list. An additional change to semantics for the URI is that the "authority", and query and fragment should be considered to be moved into this specification. The reason is that it becomes unclear how the RFC3986 rules sub-rules effect the same name rules in the ID. Cheers Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon May 7 00:55:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957A121F84F3; Mon, 7 May 2012 00:55:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.476 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.476 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.123, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ddZGPLVNsxLU; Mon, 7 May 2012 00:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172AD21F8466; Mon, 7 May 2012 00:55:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120507075517.12573.64357.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 00:55:17 -0700 Cc: mmusic@ietf.org Subject: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-12.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 07:55:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control= Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Network Address Translator (NAT) Traversal mechanism f= or media controlled by Real-Time Streaming Protocol (RTSP) Author(s) : Jeff Goldberg Magnus Westerlund Thomas Zeng Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-12.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2012-05-07 This document defines a solution for Network Address Translation (NAT) traversal for datagram based media streams setup and controlled with Real-time Streaming Protocol version 2 (RTSP 2.0). It uses Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) adapted to use RTSP as a signalling channel, defining the necessary extra RTSP extensions and procedures. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-12.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-12.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat/ From magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Mon May 7 01:39:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D34521F84FF for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 01:39:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.13 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.13 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.119, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TloDKSf2zpU0 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 01:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw7.ericsson.se (mailgw7.ericsson.se [193.180.251.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AFF21F84D3 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 01:39:07 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-b7c78ae000006de5-48-4fa78a298f21 Authentication-Results: mailgw7.ericsson.se x-tls.subject="/CN=esessmw0247"; auth=fail (cipher=AES128-SHA) Received: from esessmw0247.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client CN "esessmw0247", Issuer "esessmw0247" (not verified)) by mailgw7.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id A0.70.28133.92A87AF4; Mon, 7 May 2012 10:39:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0247.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.94) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Mon, 7 May 2012 10:39:04 +0200 Message-ID: <4FA78A27.4040004@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 10:39:03 +0200 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mmusic (E-mail)" References: <20120507075517.12573.64357.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120507075517.12573.64357.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-12.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 08:39:08 -0000 WG, This version of the RTSP NAT specification contains some actual changes. - Specifies how one may Optionally use RFC 6544 TCP based candidates with RTSP. - Found a syntax bug related to ICE password and ufrag. They may contain characters that aren't allowed outside of double quote in RTSP transport parameters. Thus the syntax has been changed to put the password and ufrag values inside double quotes. - Updated IANA section to better meet the respective registries rules. - A number of editorial changes. Diff from the previous version. http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-12 I would appreciate a review of this to confirm that this document is in fact ready for WG last call. Thanks Magnus Westerlund On 2012-05-07 09:55, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : A Network Address Translator (NAT) Traversal mechanism for media controlled by Real-Time Streaming Protocol (RTSP) > Author(s) : Jeff Goldberg > Magnus Westerlund > Thomas Zeng > Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-12.txt > Pages : 30 > Date : 2012-05-07 > > This document defines a solution for Network Address Translation > (NAT) traversal for datagram based media streams setup and controlled > with Real-time Streaming Protocol version 2 (RTSP 2.0). It uses > Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) adapted to use RTSP as a > signalling channel, defining the necessary extra RTSP extensions and > procedures. > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-12.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-12.txt > > The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > -- Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon May 7 02:31:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5F221F8546; Mon, 7 May 2012 02:31:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.488 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.488 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.111, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U9q5w1BRs7-s; Mon, 7 May 2012 02:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD2421F84B5; Mon, 7 May 2012 02:31:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120507093141.22833.68200.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 02:31:41 -0700 Cc: mmusic@ietf.org Subject: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-evaluation-05.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 09:31:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control= Working Group of the IETF. Title : The Evaluation of Different Network Addres Translator (N= AT) Traversal Techniques for Media Controlled by Real-time Streaming Protoc= ol (RTSP) Author(s) : Magnus Westerlund Thomas Zeng Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-evaluation-05.txt Pages : 38 Date : 2012-05-07 This document describes several Network Address Translator (NAT) traversal techniques that was considered to be used by Real-time Streaming Protocol (RTSP). Each technique includes a description on how it would be used, the security implications of using it and any other deployment considerations it has. There are also disussions on how NAT traversal techniques relates to firewalls and how each technique can be applied in different use cases. These findings where used when selecting the NAT traversal for RTSP 2.0 standardized in the MMUSIC WG. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-evaluation-0= 5.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-evaluation-05= .txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-evaluation/ From magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Mon May 7 02:38:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7FD21F8570 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 02:38:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.131 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.131 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.118, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YO2XLqoUeIYG for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 02:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A1A21F856A for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 02:38:42 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7b76ae0000063d8-d5-4fa79821526c Authentication-Results: mailgw1.ericsson.se x-tls.subject="/CN=esessmw0197"; auth=fail (cipher=AES128-SHA) Received: from esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client CN "esessmw0197", Issuer "esessmw0197" (not verified)) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id E1.20.25560.12897AF4; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:38:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.88) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:38:40 +0200 Message-ID: <4FA79820.2020803@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:38:40 +0200 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mmusic (E-mail)" References: <20120507093141.22833.68200.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120507093141.22833.68200.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-evaluation-05.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 09:38:43 -0000 WG, This update is only editorial. I have tweaked some wording and added references to the actual solution. I believe it is ready for WG last call at the same time as draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat. A diff: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-evaluation-05 Cheers Magnus On 2012-05-07 11:31, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : The Evaluation of Different Network Addres Translator (NAT) Traversal Techniques for Media Controlled by Real-time Streaming Protocol (RTSP) > Author(s) : Magnus Westerlund > Thomas Zeng > Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-evaluation-05.txt > Pages : 38 > Date : 2012-05-07 > > This document describes several Network Address Translator (NAT) > traversal techniques that was considered to be used by Real-time > Streaming Protocol (RTSP). Each technique includes a description on > how it would be used, the security implications of using it and any > other deployment considerations it has. There are also disussions on > how NAT traversal techniques relates to firewalls and how each > technique can be applied in different use cases. These findings > where used when selecting the NAT traversal for RTSP 2.0 standardized > in the MMUSIC WG. > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-evaluation-05.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-evaluation-05.txt > > The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-rtsp-nat-evaluation/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > -- Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Mon May 7 02:40:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC8821F8570 for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 02:40:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.133 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.133 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.116, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WhEzSJ3BB4OO for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 02:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw2.ericsson.se (mailgw2.ericsson.se [193.180.251.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4654321F856A for ; Mon, 7 May 2012 02:40:17 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-b7b09ae000007d0f-c6-4fa7987fa350 Authentication-Results: mailgw2.ericsson.se x-tls.subject="/CN=esessmw0237"; auth=fail (cipher=AES128-SHA) Received: from esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client CN "esessmw0237", Issuer "esessmw0237" (not verified)) by mailgw2.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 85.F2.32015.08897AF4; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:40:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.91) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:40:15 +0200 Message-ID: <4FA7987F.4060906@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:40:15 +0200 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Miguel A. Garcia" References: <4F8EBB4E.7080804@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4F8EBB4E.7080804@ericsson.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: Flemming Andreasen , "draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis.authors@tools.ietf.org" , mmusic Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] WGLC of draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-29.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 09:40:18 -0000 On 2012-04-18 15:02, Miguel A. Garcia wrote: > This is to start a 4-week Working Group Last Call for > > draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-29.txt > > The WGLC ends on May 16th, 2012. Notice that this is a special 4-week > WGLC due to the length of the document. > > We would especially like reviewers to focus on the changes since the last > WGLC, which was for version -23. > > Please reply to this e-mail that includes the authors and the mailing list. We have now received feedback on both the URI and text/parameters media type that needs some adjustment of the text. Cheers Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon May 14 02:42:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6CB21F85A4; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:42:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.514 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.514 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.085, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ig5mDn05jeS7; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A0121F847A; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:42:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120514094226.5169.74618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 02:42:26 -0700 Cc: mmusic@ietf.org Subject: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 09:42:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control= Working Group of the IETF. Title : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Extension For Setting= Up Audio and Video Media Streams Over Circuit-Switched Bearers In The Publ= ic Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) Author(s) : Miguel A. Garcia-Martin Simo Veikkolainen Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt Pages : 35 Date : 2012-05-14 This memo describes use cases, requirements, and protocol extensions for using the Session Description Protocol (SDP) Offer/Answer model for establishing audio and video media streams over circuit-switched bearers in the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs/ From miguel.a.garcia@ericsson.com Mon May 14 06:04:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140D121F8627 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 06:04:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.216 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.216 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tHdHwd07ZupW for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw2.ericsson.se (mailgw2.ericsson.se [193.180.251.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4023321F85C6 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-b7b48ae0000025b3-d3-4fb102cdd234 Received: from esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw2.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 46.16.09651.DC201BF4; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:04:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [159.107.24.196] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:04:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4FB102CC.8090404@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 15:04:12 +0200 From: "Miguel A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mmusic@ietf.org" References: <20120514094226.5169.74618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120514094226.5169.74618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: Paul Kyzivat Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 13:04:15 -0000 Hi: We have just submitted version 11 of the SDP CS draft. The main change was to align the representation of the User-to-User Information Element with that used in the User-to-User header field in SIP. This addresses Paul's comment. From the authors' perspective, the draft is ready for entering WGLC. BR, Miguel On 14/05/2012 11:42, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Extension For Setting Up Audio and Video Media Streams Over Circuit-Switched Bearers In The Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) > Author(s) : Miguel A. Garcia-Martin > Simo Veikkolainen > Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt > Pages : 35 > Date : 2012-05-14 > > This memo describes use cases, requirements, and protocol extensions > for using the Session Description Protocol (SDP) Offer/Answer model > for establishing audio and video media streams over circuit-switched > bearers in the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN). > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt > > The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs/ > > _______________________________________________ > mmusic mailing list > mmusic@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic > > -- Miguel A. Garcia +34-91-339-3608 Ericsson Spain From pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu Mon May 14 08:07:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9367B21F8763 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 08:07:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.129, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e8pIYl2gc6P4 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 08:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDD221F8723 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 08:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9r4t1j0030vyq2s59r7qv2; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:07:50 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([24.62.229.5]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9r7q1j01107duvL3Rr7qiT; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:07:50 +0000 Message-ID: <4FB11FC5.5070804@alum.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:07:49 -0400 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Miguel A. Garcia" References: <20120514094226.5169.74618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4FB102CC.8090404@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4FB102CC.8090404@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "mmusic@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 15:07:51 -0000 On 5/14/12 9:04 AM, Miguel A. Garcia wrote: > Hi: > > We have just submitted version 11 of the SDP CS draft. The main change > was to align the representation of the User-to-User Information Element > with that used in the User-to-User header field in SIP. This addresses > Paul's comment. Thanks. It does address my comment. I've just little stuff now: In section 5.2.3.3: The following: start with the the value starting at the Protocol Discriminator octet contains "the the" and is otherwise awkward. How about: start with the Protocol Discriminator octet Section 5.2.3.3 also requires an even number of hex digits, but the ABNF doesn't. That is also true in the cuss draft, but there the ABNF doesn't explicitly address hex. You have the opportunity to specify an even number of digits in the ABNF. Also, I note that the existing ABNF uses HEXDIG from 5234 incorrectly in that it assumes it only covers A-F, when it also already includes 0-9 and A-F. So how about: uuie-value = 1*65(HEXDIG HEXDIG) ;0-9, A-F, and a-f ;HEXDIG defined in RFC5234 Thanks, Paul > From the authors' perspective, the draft is ready for entering WGLC. > BR, > > Miguel > > > > On 14/05/2012 11:42, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia >> Session Control Working Group of the IETF. >> >> Title : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Extension For Setting Up >> Audio and Video Media Streams Over Circuit-Switched Bearers In The >> Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) >> Author(s) : Miguel A. Garcia-Martin >> Simo Veikkolainen >> Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt >> Pages : 35 >> Date : 2012-05-14 >> >> This memo describes use cases, requirements, and protocol extensions >> for using the Session Description Protocol (SDP) Offer/Answer model >> for establishing audio and video media streams over circuit-switched >> bearers in the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN). >> >> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt >> >> The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mmusic mailing list >> mmusic@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >> >> > From miguel.a.garcia@ericsson.com Mon May 21 01:44:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3367021F85A8 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 01:44:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IGBlLTHCQihL for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 01:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw2.ericsson.se (mailgw2.ericsson.se [193.180.251.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6637421F84CD for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 01:44:39 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-b7c5aae000007a47-81-4fb9feedfc66 Received: from esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw2.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 47.8C.31303.DEEF9BF4; Mon, 21 May 2012 10:38:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [159.107.24.222] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.88) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Mon, 21 May 2012 10:38:02 +0200 Message-ID: <4FB9FEE9.5000702@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:38:01 +0200 From: "Miguel A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mmusic References: <4F8EBB4E.7080804@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4F8EBB4E.7080804@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: Flemming Andreasen , "draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis.authors@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] WGLC of draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-29.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:44:40 -0000 The WGLC of draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-29.txt is over. Thanks to all who provided comments, either as "I read the document and I have no comments" or as a set of comments. From my recollection of events, there was a comment related to the ABNF extension definitions and the qdtext definition of UTF-8. There was also another comment triggered by the URI scheme review list. The full discussion took place in the URI review list. Here is a link to the initial mail: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/uri-review/current/msg01567.html With this, I expect the authors to address the received comments in a new version of the document, once all the comments are fully discussed and agreed. /Miguel On 18/04/2012 15:02, Miguel A. Garcia wrote: > This is to start a 4-week Working Group Last Call for > > draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-29.txt > > The WGLC ends on May 16th, 2012. Notice that this is a special 4-week > WGLC due to the length of the document. > > We would especially like reviewers to focus on the changes since the last > WGLC, which was for version -23. > > Please reply to this e-mail that includes the authors and the mailing list. > > /Miguel > -- Miguel A. Garcia +34-91-339-3608 Ericsson Spain From miguel.a.garcia@ericsson.com Mon May 21 06:54:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96E321F8494 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 06:54:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ym43rfIf05mS for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 06:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B693321F8475 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 06:54:53 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7fac6d000002e89-4f-4fba492cf748 Received: from esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 05.7C.11913.C294ABF4; Mon, 21 May 2012 15:54:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [159.107.24.222] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Mon, 21 May 2012 15:54:51 +0200 Message-ID: <4FBA492A.3070107@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:54:50 +0200 From: "Miguel A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Kyzivat References: <20120514094226.5169.74618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4FB102CC.8090404@ericsson.com> <4FB11FC5.5070804@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <4FB11FC5.5070804@alum.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprBLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvra6O5y5/g+sPBS2mLn/MYrFiwwFW i3Of7rI4MHv8ff+ByWPJkp9MHndvXWIKYI7isklJzcksSy3St0vgypi6vYOp4K90xbUXl5ga GFeLdTFyckgImEhsPrWFEcIWk7hwbz1bFyMXh5DAKUaJo5PusoIkhATWMEp8P1MOYvMKaEs8 u38GqIGDg0VAVeL4tWyQMJuAuUTrxo3sILaoQLDEvO6bLBDlghInZz5hASkXEdCQmLRVDSTM LBAt8X72CbDpwgKOEj1Na5khNjUwSix6UgxicwroSLTPXc4GUW8rcWHOdRYIW15i+9s5UPWa EpNvLmWewCg4C8m2WUhaZiFpWcDIvIpRODcxMye93FAvtSgzubg4P0+vOHUTIzB0D275rbuD 8dQ5kUOM0hwsSuK8mw12+QsJpCeWpGanphakFsUXleakFh9iZOLglGpgVMzodN1buWl+f+9j K+7fd8VDz+S2r/y9ZXp2hGpfQ+JtMe6t3h/iDLquM7QJsPS+EzCLUNv+6TbHeSXPJ/7u59iN HzmEbOe4/8N0RYvG+lT3km4tc+P8dac4xBXLzn97Emgp8dxnUWarF4MR3zXL10o72bJY0q/c 0JP2f6UhdNo3TOHRQzclluKMREMt5qLiRAC5AyroKwIAAA== Cc: "mmusic@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 13:54:54 -0000 Hi Paul, Thanks for your comments. I think I forgot to reply to this e-mail. See my answers inline. On 14/05/2012 17:07, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > On 5/14/12 9:04 AM, Miguel A. Garcia wrote: >> Hi: >> >> We have just submitted version 11 of the SDP CS draft. The main change >> was to align the representation of the User-to-User Information Element >> with that used in the User-to-User header field in SIP. This addresses >> Paul's comment. > > Thanks. It does address my comment. > > I've just little stuff now: > > In section 5.2.3.3: The following: > start with the the value starting at the Protocol Discriminator octet > > contains "the the" and is otherwise awkward. How about: > start with the Protocol Discriminator octet of course. We will fix it as per your suggestion. > > Section 5.2.3.3 also requires an even number of hex digits, but the ABNF > doesn't. That is also true in the cuss draft, but there the ABNF doesn't > explicitly address hex. You have the opportunity to specify an even > number of digits in the ABNF. Also, I note that the existing ABNF uses > HEXDIG from 5234 incorrectly in that it assumes it only covers A-F, when > it also already includes 0-9 and A-F. So how about: > > uuie-value = 1*65(HEXDIG HEXDIG) > ;0-9, A-F, and a-f > ;HEXDIG defined in RFC5234 > I agree with your proposal of making it an even number in ABNF. With respect lack of lowercase letter a-f, (remember that HEXDIG only allows digits 0-9 and uppercase letters A-F, I don't mind your proposal of only allowing uppercase A-F. However, I will draw your attention that the cuss draft does allow both lowercase and uppercase. If we want to have the same syntax, both drafts should go for the same proposal. BR, Miguel > Thanks, > Paul > > >> From the authors' perspective, the draft is ready for entering WGLC. > > > >> BR, >> >> Miguel >> >> >> >> On 14/05/2012 11:42, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>> >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>> directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia >>> Session Control Working Group of the IETF. >>> >>> Title : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Extension For Setting Up >>> Audio and Video Media Streams Over Circuit-Switched Bearers In The >>> Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) >>> Author(s) : Miguel A. Garcia-Martin >>> Simo Veikkolainen >>> Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt >>> Pages : 35 >>> Date : 2012-05-14 >>> >>> This memo describes use cases, requirements, and protocol extensions >>> for using the Session Description Protocol (SDP) Offer/Answer model >>> for establishing audio and video media streams over circuit-switched >>> bearers in the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN). >>> >>> >>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt >>> >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>> >>> This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt >>> >>> The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mmusic mailing list >>> mmusic@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >>> >>> >> > -- Miguel A. Garcia +34-91-339-3608 Ericsson Spain From pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu Mon May 21 07:10:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1325821F854B for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:10:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.424 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.424 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.175, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lld2+V2-RaXv for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511B421F851A for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Cbcd1j0071wpRvQ53eAjZE; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:10:43 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([24.62.229.5]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CeAj1j00X07duvL3eeAjcr; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:10:43 +0000 Message-ID: <4FBA4CE2.9030700@alum.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:10:42 -0400 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Miguel A. Garcia" References: <20120514094226.5169.74618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4FB102CC.8090404@ericsson.com> <4FB11FC5.5070804@alum.mit.edu> <4FBA492A.3070107@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4FBA492A.3070107@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "mmusic@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:10:45 -0000 On 5/21/12 9:54 AM, Miguel A. Garcia wrote: > I agree with your proposal of making it an even number in ABNF. > > With respect lack of lowercase letter a-f, (remember that HEXDIG only > allows digits 0-9 and uppercase letters A-F, I don't mind your proposal > of only allowing uppercase A-F. However, I will draw your attention that > the cuss draft does allow both lowercase and uppercase. If we want to > have the same syntax, both drafts should go for the same proposal. According to 5234: DIGIT = %x30-39 ; 0-9 HEXDIG = DIGIT / "A" / "B" / "C" / "D" / "E" / "F" and Literal text strings are interpreted as a concatenated set of printable characters. NOTE: ABNF strings are case insensitive and the character set for these strings is US-ASCII. Hence: rulename = "abc" and: rulename = "aBc" will match "abc", "Abc", "aBc", "abC", "ABc", "aBC", "AbC", and "ABC". So HEXDIG already allows A-F and a-f. Thanks, Paul > BR, > > Miguel > > >> Thanks, >> Paul >> >> >>> From the authors' perspective, the draft is ready for entering WGLC. >> >> >> >>> BR, >>> >>> Miguel >>> >>> >>> >>> On 14/05/2012 11:42, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>> >>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>>> directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia >>>> Session Control Working Group of the IETF. >>>> >>>> Title : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Extension For Setting Up >>>> Audio and Video Media Streams Over Circuit-Switched Bearers In The >>>> Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) >>>> Author(s) : Miguel A. Garcia-Martin >>>> Simo Veikkolainen >>>> Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt >>>> Pages : 35 >>>> Date : 2012-05-14 >>>> >>>> This memo describes use cases, requirements, and protocol extensions >>>> for using the Session Description Protocol (SDP) Offer/Answer model >>>> for establishing audio and video media streams over circuit-switched >>>> bearers in the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN). >>>> >>>> >>>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt >>>> >>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>> >>>> This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: >>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt >>>> >>>> The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> mmusic mailing list >>>> mmusic@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >>>> >>>> >>> >> > From tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Mon May 21 07:36:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A03221F860F for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:36:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aJr2Xszkh+U6 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6B321F8593 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so4076367lag.31 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:36:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status; bh=wpIpo+D/zWNKxofix9xINnFIboM0toCqk1tt4d9xdPI=; b=0X7wuWXLmN/eZuIKhQjwskuQ2kha1YRie4ZpqdYZ3vfP6Lbmjk45VvMjPdYG9u9z5I P/ULGrd80VEqVe/B4o31j7/QUe5hZlA1y9Ih7bvb8pqokmSN7yySKWMCA3yzl5lP9bZZ sxOw2+KRLSluPuvIDDToxELCrxT/XmUEVD/3cNcdXYeJmPJ0HnX8kH/Hr5yERNVMaOsN VCsah+iJIpL9uLM79ci0JpFOak3XW8UO141nAHVwRk53UzKxeixEZkidxEsDnRl05QL+ AihQB2H20EjwU31sbGlCRik1Y0EdhLODs+aModXUCOPTi5ooi/tNIi24YHvyaarq+1Gn ADZQ== Received: by 10.152.122.116 with SMTP id lr20mr19732377lab.42.1337610978653; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dsl-207-112-91-137.tor.primus.ca. [207.112.91.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gi19sm26665940lab.16.2012.05.21.07.36.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 May 2012 07:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FBA52DD.2030509@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:36:13 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Kyzivat References: <20120514094226.5169.74618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4FB102CC.8090404@ericsson.com> <4FB11FC5.5070804@alum.mit.edu> <4FBA492A.3070107@ericsson.com> <4FBA4CE2.9030700@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <4FBA4CE2.9030700@alum.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120521-0, 21/05/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: "mmusic@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:36:20 -0000 I'm afraid I don't agree with your interpretation, Paul. The condition "ABNF strings are case insensitive and the character set for these strings is US-ASCII" connotes the following to me: RUlename = "abc" and ruleNAME = "abc" are the same thing, but rulename = "abc" and rulename = "ABC" are different. On 21/05/2012 10:10 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > On 5/21/12 9:54 AM, Miguel A. Garcia wrote: > >> I agree with your proposal of making it an even number in ABNF. >> >> With respect lack of lowercase letter a-f, (remember that HEXDIG only >> allows digits 0-9 and uppercase letters A-F, I don't mind your proposal >> of only allowing uppercase A-F. However, I will draw your attention that >> the cuss draft does allow both lowercase and uppercase. If we want to >> have the same syntax, both drafts should go for the same proposal. > > According to 5234: > > DIGIT = %x30-39 > ; 0-9 > HEXDIG = DIGIT / "A" / "B" / "C" / "D" / "E" / "F" > and > Literal text strings are interpreted as a concatenated set of > printable characters. > > NOTE: > > ABNF strings are case insensitive and the character set for these > strings is US-ASCII. > > Hence: > > rulename = "abc" > > and: > > rulename = "aBc" > > will match "abc", "Abc", "aBc", "abC", "ABc", "aBC", "AbC", and > "ABC". > > So HEXDIG already allows A-F and a-f. > > Thanks, > Paul > ... From pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu Mon May 21 07:47:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AACE21F8674 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:47:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.659 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.659 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.940, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IL07537czE9J for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5EA21F84FA for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Cbcd1j0071wpRvQ53enY6h; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:47:32 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([24.62.229.5]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CenX1j01Y07duvL3eenX1L; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:47:32 +0000 Message-ID: <4FBA5582.1030508@alum.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:47:30 -0400 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Taylor References: <20120514094226.5169.74618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4FB102CC.8090404@ericsson.com> <4FB11FC5.5070804@alum.mit.edu> <4FBA492A.3070107@ericsson.com> <4FBA4CE2.9030700@alum.mit.edu> <4FBA52DD.2030509@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FBA52DD.2030509@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "mmusic@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:47:33 -0000 Tom, On 5/21/12 10:36 AM, Tom Taylor wrote: > I'm afraid I don't agree with your interpretation, Paul. The condition > "ABNF strings are case insensitive and the character set for these > strings is US-ASCII" connotes the following to me: > > RUlename = "abc" > and > ruleNAME = "abc" > > are the same thing, but > > rulename = "abc" > and > rulename = "ABC" > > are different. I quoted the relevant sections of 5234 that cause your two last lines above to be equal. See further below... > On 21/05/2012 10:10 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >> On 5/21/12 9:54 AM, Miguel A. Garcia wrote: >> >>> I agree with your proposal of making it an even number in ABNF. >>> >>> With respect lack of lowercase letter a-f, (remember that HEXDIG only >>> allows digits 0-9 and uppercase letters A-F, I don't mind your proposal >>> of only allowing uppercase A-F. However, I will draw your attention that >>> the cuss draft does allow both lowercase and uppercase. If we want to >>> have the same syntax, both drafts should go for the same proposal. >> >> According to 5234: >> >> DIGIT = %x30-39 >> ; 0-9 >> HEXDIG = DIGIT / "A" / "B" / "C" / "D" / "E" / "F" >> and The following is a direct quotation from 5234: >> Literal text strings are interpreted as a concatenated set of >> printable characters. >> >> NOTE: >> >> ABNF strings are case insensitive and the character set for these >> strings is US-ASCII. >> >> Hence: >> >> rulename = "abc" >> >> and: >> >> rulename = "aBc" >> >> will match "abc", "Abc", "aBc", "abC", "ABc", "aBC", "AbC", and >> "ABC". up to an including the example above. Thanks, Paul >> So HEXDIG already allows A-F and a-f. >> >> Thanks, >> Paul >> > ... > From tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Mon May 21 08:30:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F8821F84D0 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iL1XI72eAGyP for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6131421F84CE for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbgo11 with SMTP id go11so4139170lbb.31 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:30:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status; bh=NiUQJAw0IJ36acKEJdgAtZ2t+zqwo7pqXzkXJ/t21ZQ=; b=YSPfeMOqyrc/ySzuGaVADkV1ByEKGBoRM9K3yE1XVZ6GPC2QgXqN0BBFbvrXtF0T6U xHtTL0fr14SvX+EEPJ544ykM0/RzooMd4f2jzTR/RXPRq1S96krXQLz+/JvhPV9khiI1 X+wrO2HrgwunqEiLFbdGHzRfWNUpWO+E5jNZ7TWv135dOWLzJB6XWgZxJukCtUGgyBtp 7lE+SrG9hs/rMlDthJT7XJfqzyh+Swghv8Lt77CPKVq1lq0MIgoBEA8So38lgwSIyxaa ScWldzMQpPMQQJ+Cy5DQwTR+AJFt9OlqcZNVhaDmZivPIXZ1jIsMyU96Thu7/zd3+uBD dLVA== Received: by 10.112.82.165 with SMTP id j5mr8884000lby.50.1337614201237; Mon, 21 May 2012 08:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dsl-207-112-91-137.tor.primus.ca. [207.112.91.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5sm12333190lbg.5.2012.05.21.08.29.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 May 2012 08:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FBA5F73.3060600@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:29:55 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Kyzivat References: <20120514094226.5169.74618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4FB102CC.8090404@ericsson.com> <4FB11FC5.5070804@alum.mit.edu> <4FBA492A.3070107@ericsson.com> <4FBA4CE2.9030700@alum.mit.edu> <4FBA52DD.2030509@gmail.com> <4FBA5582.1030508@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <4FBA5582.1030508@alum.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120521-0, 21/05/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: "mmusic@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:30:03 -0000 Ack. On 21/05/2012 10:47 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > Tom, > > On 5/21/12 10:36 AM, Tom Taylor wrote: ... > > I quoted the relevant sections of 5234 that cause your two last lines > above to be equal. See further below... > ... From miguel.a.garcia@ericsson.com Tue May 22 00:06:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32ECF11E8072 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 00:06:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iBta-ZGDhQTE for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 00:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079CC21F8464 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 00:06:44 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7fac6d000002e89-cd-4fbb3b03ca07 Received: from esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 9F.D6.11913.30B3BBF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:06:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [159.107.24.204] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:06:43 +0200 Message-ID: <4FBB3B02.3080208@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:06:42 +0200 From: "Miguel A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Kyzivat References: <20120514094226.5169.74618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4FB102CC.8090404@ericsson.com> <4FB11FC5.5070804@alum.mit.edu> <4FBA492A.3070107@ericsson.com> <4FBA4CE2.9030700@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <4FBA4CE2.9030700@alum.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprNLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+JvrS6L9W5/g5NfOCymLn/MYrFiwwFW i3Of7rI4MHv8ff+ByWPJkp9MHndvXWIKYI7isklJzcksSy3St0vgytj28zNLwTLJinenVzI1 MJ4W7mLk5JAQMJFY0TyZCcIWk7hwbz1bFyMXh5DAKUaJL7euMUE4axgllre8YQWp4hXQljh3 dA8biM0ioCoxu+kAWDebgLlE68aN7CC2qECwxLzumywQ9YISJ2c+AbI5OEQENCQmbVUDCTML REu8n30CbKSwgKNET9NaZohdBxglFq66ywyS4BTQkTh8+Qc7RIOtxIU511kgbHmJ7W/ngNUI CWhKTL65lHkCo+AsJOtmIWmZhaRlASPzKkbh3MTMnPRyQ73Uoszk4uL8PL3i1E2MwAA+uOW3 7g7GU+dEDjFKc7AoifNuNtjlLySQnliSmp2aWpBaFF9UmpNafIiRiYNTqoFR+6d6i3eI/+eu 5xn2WiGtma/vX08W8ZHk8ZZOtvPYkx20+/EinnXKkcLWvttOnXrNYijfISVVa7Xmi+LPJe+3 Scfnb+p1331remGm+JG3h/TFWhl9Hmdt3jhfRvefwGqNq/+mSUp66sgeuxa9NG5KZvn65BfN qrUdazR+Tt+gqBuZtEdngq4SS3FGoqEWc1FxIgBObCP/LgIAAA== Cc: "mmusic@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 07:06:46 -0000 Ahh, good point regarding the case insensitivity of strings in RFC 5234. Then, I am fine with your comment. /Miguel On 21/05/2012 16:10, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > On 5/21/12 9:54 AM, Miguel A. Garcia wrote: > >> I agree with your proposal of making it an even number in ABNF. >> >> With respect lack of lowercase letter a-f, (remember that HEXDIG only >> allows digits 0-9 and uppercase letters A-F, I don't mind your proposal >> of only allowing uppercase A-F. However, I will draw your attention that >> the cuss draft does allow both lowercase and uppercase. If we want to >> have the same syntax, both drafts should go for the same proposal. > > According to 5234: > > DIGIT = %x30-39 > ; 0-9 > HEXDIG = DIGIT / "A" / "B" / "C" / "D" / "E" / "F" > and > Literal text strings are interpreted as a concatenated set of > printable characters. > > NOTE: > > ABNF strings are case insensitive and the character set for these > strings is US-ASCII. > > Hence: > > rulename = "abc" > > and: > > rulename = "aBc" > > will match "abc", "Abc", "aBc", "abC", "ABc", "aBC", "AbC", and > "ABC". > > So HEXDIG already allows A-F and a-f. > > Thanks, > Paul > >> BR, >> >> Miguel >> >> >>> Thanks, >>> Paul >>> >>> >>>> From the authors' perspective, the draft is ready for entering WGLC. >>> >>> >>> >>>> BR, >>>> >>>> Miguel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 14/05/2012 11:42, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>>>> directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia >>>>> Session Control Working Group of the IETF. >>>>> >>>>> Title : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Extension For Setting Up >>>>> Audio and Video Media Streams Over Circuit-Switched Bearers In The >>>>> Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) >>>>> Author(s) : Miguel A. Garcia-Martin >>>>> Simo Veikkolainen >>>>> Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt >>>>> Pages : 35 >>>>> Date : 2012-05-14 >>>>> >>>>> This memo describes use cases, requirements, and protocol extensions >>>>> for using the Session Description Protocol (SDP) Offer/Answer model >>>>> for establishing audio and video media streams over circuit-switched >>>>> bearers in the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt >>>>> >>>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>>> >>>>> This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: >>>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt >>>>> >>>>> The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> mmusic mailing list >>>>> mmusic@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- Miguel A. Garcia +34-91-339-3608 Ericsson Spain From miguel.a.garcia@ericsson.com Tue May 22 00:07:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570A611E8074 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 00:07:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.916 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.916 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.667, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z+buR1eSqv-w for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 00:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3514F11E8072 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 00:07:39 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7fac6d000002e89-63-4fbb3b3a8911 Received: from esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 37.17.11913.A3B3BBF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:07:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [159.107.24.204] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.88) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:07:37 +0200 Message-ID: <4FBB3B39.8040708@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:07:37 +0200 From: "Miguel A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Taylor References: <20120514094226.5169.74618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4FB102CC.8090404@ericsson.com> <4FB11FC5.5070804@alum.mit.edu> <4FBA492A.3070107@ericsson.com> <4FBA4CE2.9030700@alum.mit.edu> <4FBA52DD.2030509@gmail.com> <4FBA5582.1030508@alum.mit.edu> <4FBA5F73.3060600@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FBA5F73.3060600@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprNLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvra6V9W5/g5vrxS2mLn/MYrFiwwFW iwvrf7E4MHv8ff+ByWPnrLvsHkuW/GQKYI7isklJzcksSy3St0vgyji26RNrwQHmiq1bjrE3 MF5l6mLk5JAQMJG4eOsMM4QtJnHh3nq2LkYuDiGBU4wSTd1/mCGcNYwS+xvfsoJU8QpoS5za u4IFxGYRUJXomNgMZrMJmEu0btzIDmKLCgRLzOu+yQJRLyhxcuYTMFtEQEvi67mJjF2MHBzM AgES17sSQMLCAo4SPU1roXbNYpK4fPcfWD2ngKbErCn/wa5jFrCVuDDnOguELS+x/e0csLgQ UM3km0uZJzAKzkKybhaSlllIWhYwMq9iFM5NzMxJLzfUSy3KTC4uzs/TK07dxAgM4INbfuvu YDx1TuQQozQHi5I472aDXf5CAumJJanZqakFqUXxRaU5qcWHGJk4OKUaGFWO17D3Fakea2SV Vf205XL6RlW+wue+GhnNjeluCf3StV022lcUfvOtP//c4/HlV+kLuW73FO3Kbj28x/Cy2puQ y4c+tVUbWQtkXNU739mYXi1gtsvv0Zbi5VPFZt4r8f+/ad9fvwahVIubPh+yp56sKPt97f4p 87M5pclad2J+vlja0N7BrcRSnJFoqMVcVJwIAEfwuR0uAgAA Cc: "mmusic@ietf.org" , Paul Kyzivat Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 07:07:40 -0000 Ok, I think we all agree. Next version of the draft will be edited accordingly. /Miguel On 21/05/2012 17:29, Tom Taylor wrote: > Ack. > > On 21/05/2012 10:47 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >> Tom, >> >> On 5/21/12 10:36 AM, Tom Taylor wrote: > ... >> >> I quoted the relevant sections of 5234 that cause your two last lines >> above to be equal. See further below... >> > ... -- Miguel A. Garcia +34-91-339-3608 Ericsson Spain From miguel.a.garcia@ericsson.com Tue May 22 03:53:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8646F21F857F for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 03:53:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lzoUPxL1OpB5 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 03:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw7.ericsson.se (mailgw7.ericsson.se [193.180.251.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5431421F8585 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 03:53:20 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-b7b55ae000002887-7c-4fbb701e37e8 Received: from esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw7.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 6D.79.10375.E107BBF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:53:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [159.107.24.204] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:53:18 +0200 Message-ID: <4FBB701D.8030702@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:53:17 +0200 From: "Miguel A. Garcia" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mmusic , draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs.authors@tools.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: Flemming Andreasen Subject: [MMUSIC] WGLC of draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:53:27 -0000 This is to start a 2-week Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-cs-11.txt The WGLC ends on June 5th, 2012. Please reply to this e-mail to send comments, so that the authors and the mailing list are all copied. /Miguel -- Miguel A. Garcia +34-91-339-3608 Ericsson Spain From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Wed May 23 18:37:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3CA21F8631 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 18:37:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.443 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.443 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.157, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yb6re-MvoJxL for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 18:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11D621F8630 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 18:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id B7CE5621A0; Wed, 23 May 2012 18:37:24 -0700 (PDT) To: jdrosen@jdrosen.net, ari.keranen@ericsson.com, bbl@lowekamp.net, adam@nostrum.com, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, rjsparks@nostrum.com, fandreas@cisco.com, miguel.a.garcia@ericsson.com From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20120524013724.B7CE5621A0@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 18:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: nigel.pattinson@kaseya.com, mmusic@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6544 (3231) X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 01:37:40 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC6544, "TCP Candidates with Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE)". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=6544&eid=3231 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Nigel Pattinson Section: 4 - 11 Original Text ------------- Corrected Text -------------- Notes ----- Apologies in advance - I have some feedback on the specification which I feel may be useful, but it is not by nature errata - I wasn't sure how else to report this. In our company we have just implemented support for ICE-TCP, and in our opinion there are some areas of the specification which could use some clarification. Note that our implementation is designed to be used in an XMPP/Jingle context rather than with SIP, which potentially makes a difference in some of the areas mentioned below. The specification makes no mention of foundations for TCP candidates. 4.1.1.3 in [RFC5245] specifies that TCP foundations must be different from UDP foundations, but it is unclear whether or not passive, active, and simultaneous open candidates should have distinct foundations. The same is true for NAT-assisted and tunneled candidate types - should these have distinct foundations from server-reflexive/relayed candidates ? We have guessed that in all cases they should be distinct. 4.1.1.4 in [RFC5245] states that server reflexive candidates should be kept alive until ICE processing completes. 11.2 in RFC 6544 does not contradict this, but does not clarify it either. This implies that TCP connections to a STUN server should be kept open for this duration, with STUN binding requests being sent at intervals. It is not clear to us that doing so would have any benefit, but we are not NAT experts. Either way it would be good if the ICE-TCP specification made it clear whether or not this was necessary or desirable. When the offerer has relayed candidates obtained from a TURN server, it may not be possible to ensure that permissions are created for those passive candidates prior to the peer attempting to connect. This may result in failure of the peer's active check, and hence possibly in failure of ICE as a whole. The same basic problem can happen in ICE-UDP, but the UDP check would almost certainly be retried at a time when the permissions are in place, and so should succeed eventually. The situation could be exacerbated by the Jingle recommendation that candidates are sent to the peer as soon as they are discovered - in this case even the answerer's relayed candidates may not have the permissions in place when they are needed. We're not sure if there is a foolproof solution to these problems, but we do feel that the potential for failures should at least be mentioned. 7.1 states that for tcp-active candidates, unallocated ports should be used. This may result in many port allocations, so we wonder whether it would be preferable to reuse the same port for all connections made from a tcp-active candidate (where supported by the host OS, of course). Sections 7.1 and 7.2 both note that a peer-reflexive candidate will 'typically' be produced. In 7.1 this is in reference to a STUN response received on an active TCP candidate, whereas in 7.2 it is in reference to a STUN request received on a passive TCP candidate. It is unclear to us whether the wording is intended to mean that this is different to the equivalent case in UDP, where a peer-reflexive candidate might, but would not 'typically', be produced. The only difference between TCP and UDP that we can see in this area is that the port actually used for active TCP candidates differs from that advertised, since all active TCP candidates are offered with 9 as the port number. We assume that this is the core reason behind the wording used, but think that it would be better if the specification explicitly stated this. We also believe that it is possible to correctly identify the correct active TCP candidate despite the lack of explicit port number information, simply by treat ing 9 as a wildcard that matches any port. Doing so has the benefit that all the information held against the candidate (especially priority and foundation) can be used as intended, whereas if a new peer-reflexive candidate is created this information will always be ignored for active TCP candidates. Currently our implementation does this wildcard matching, so will only produce peer-reflexive candidates in the same situations it would do if using UDP. 11.1 states that connections should be reopened if they have dropped or been closed for some reason, and have media that needs to be sent. This might make sense in an RTP context, but seems very dubious to us in the more general TCP case as it violates the normal reliability guarantees that TCP supplies. We think this requires further thought and at the very least should be configurable. Instructions: ------------- This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC6544 (draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-tcp-16) -------------------------------------- Title : TCP Candidates with Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) Publication Date : March 2012 Author(s) : J. Rosenberg, A. Keranen, B. B. Lowekamp, A. B. Roach Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Area : Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From harald@alvestrand.no Tue May 29 08:51:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5529921F86F4; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:51:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yrmS5h0F5Y+p; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B1321F86D5; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A4039E106; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:51:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BhFlJdEdEcQ4; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:51:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.179.204] (unknown [74.125.122.49]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5744939E031; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:51:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4FC4F062.40209@alvestrand.no> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:50:58 +0200 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rtcweb@ietf.org" , mmusic References: <20120529154655.31962.25833.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120529154655.31962.25833.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20120529154655.31962.25833.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020209030308030403010803" Subject: [MMUSIC] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-alvestrand-rtcweb-msid-02.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:51:15 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020209030308030403010803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As directed in the Paris IETF meeting, this draft now tries to be a more generic mechanism with a specific specified application to media streams. It is still marked with "comments to RTCWEB, please", but it is up to the chairs which group (if any) should adopt it as a WG item. Harald -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-alvestrand-rtcweb-msid-02.txt Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:46:55 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: harald@alvestrand.no A new version of I-D, draft-alvestrand-rtcweb-msid-02.txt has been successfully submitted by Harald Alvestrand and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-alvestrand-rtcweb-msid Revision: 02 Title: Cross Session Stream Identification in the Session Description Protocol Creation date: 2012-05-29 WG ID: Individual Submission Number of pages: 10 Abstract: This document specifies a grouping mechanism for RTP media streams that can be used to specify relations betweeen media streams within different RTP sessions. This mechanism is used to signal the association between the RTP concept of SSRC and the WebRTC concept of"media stream" /"media stream track" using SDP signalling. This document is an input document for discussion. It should be discussed in the RTCWEB WG list, rtcweb@ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --------------020209030308030403010803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As directed in the Paris IETF meeting, this draft now tries to be a more generic mechanism with a specific specified application to media streams.

It is still marked with "comments to RTCWEB, please", but it is up to the chairs which group (if any) should adopt it as a WG item.

                  Harald

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A new version of I-D, draft-alvestrand-rtcweb-msid-02.txt has been successfully submitted by Harald Alvestrand and posted to the IETF repository.

Filename:	 draft-alvestrand-rtcweb-msid
Revision:	 02
Title:		 Cross Session Stream Identification in the Session Description Protocol
Creation date:	 2012-05-29
WG ID:		 Individual Submission
Number of pages: 10

Abstract:
   This document specifies a grouping mechanism for RTP media streams
   that can be used to specify relations betweeen media streams within
   different RTP sessions.

   This mechanism is used to signal the association between the RTP
   concept of SSRC and the WebRTC concept of &quot;media stream&quot; / &quot;media
   stream track&quot; using SDP signalling.

   This document is an input document for discussion.  It should be
   discussed in the RTCWEB WG list, rtcweb@ietf.org.


                                                                                  


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