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[91.130.251.217]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b3sm10446539edb.19.2017.10.02.03.21.19 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Oct 2017 03:21:19 -0700 (PDT) To: mmusic@ietf.org References: From: Thomas Stach Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 12:21:18 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] ICE-SIP-SDP updates X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 10:21:24 -0000 Suhas, inline On 2017-10-01 00:46, Suhas Nandakumar wrote: > Hello Roman > >   Just checking back on the above PR and if the changes look good. > Also few comments inline > > > Thanks > Suhas > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Roman Shpount > wrote: > > Hi Suhas, > > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Suhas Nandakumar > > wrote: > > 1. Handling of ICE mismatch > > Where is ICE mismatch currently defined? I cannot find this in > either rfc5245bis or ICE-SIP-SDP. > > I think ICE mismatch should occur if address in c= line and > port in m= line do not match any of the candidates and > address in c= line is not dummy address IN IP4 0.0.0.0 > and port in m= line is not dummy port 9 . This is needed > to match > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-jsep-21#section-5.2.1 > > and trickle ICE > > [Suhas] ICE mismatch is discussed in 4.1.2.3,  4.1.3.1 and 11.2.2 > > > [roman] Section 4.1.2.3 should be modified to allow c= line with > IN IP4 0.0.0.0 and port in m= line with port 9 not to be treated > as ice-mismatch even if it does not match any of the candidates. > Without this, trickle ICE and JSEP will cause ice-mismatch. > Furthermore, rtcp attribute is optional, so the text needs to be > modified to allow for this. > > > [Suhas] I am not sure if ice-sip-sdp needs to define trickle ice > requirements for ice-mismatch. Trickle ICE spec should be handling IP4 > 0.0.0.0 and port 9 text and have a requirement to mention that it's no > ice-mismatch. I agree. While draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip mentions 0.0.0.0 and port 9 already when trickling candidates using the INFO packages, handling this in offers/answer is not explicitly specified. I take this as WGLC comment for draft-trickle-ice-sip and will add corresponding requirements for offer/answer handling. Regards Thomas > This is very similar to ICE-BIS not speaking about trickle-ice > > 2. Move general requirements from > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp-26#section-12.2 > > into ICE-SIP-SDP. > > [Suhas] Added the supporting text in the above PR. Also the > repository has HTML file for easy reading. > > > [roman] This looks good, but I will double check and provide > comments if I find anything. > > > [Suhas] If the changes look good here,I would want to generate a new > version for submission. > > > 3. ICE transport tag > > [Suhas] IIRC, this topic was brought to discussion several > times in the WG and there was no consensus on defining a new > ICE specific transport tag. Personally, I feel this will be a > large undertaking and we should avoid doing this as part of > this draft work. I am open to suggestions. > > >  [roman]  I agree that this can be left out and handled in the > future draft if there is enough support for it. > > > [Suhas] Thanks and agree with you > > > Regards, > _____________ > Roman Shpount > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mmusic mailing list > mmusic@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic From nobody Mon Oct 2 11:22:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B04134715 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 11:22:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.738 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.738 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.26, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PArsdL6UbTZg for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 11:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ua0-x229.google.com (mail-ua0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD720134704 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 11:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ua0-x229.google.com with SMTP id n22so2398873uaj.13 for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 11:22:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1bqrn+9M+e/3BxGVIo4VQQcjpWMiF/HqBSxKtfQXDus=; b=NbTbzJ7yv+FYj1M55ZFBT/nMcBOQYghAQRHeqokx3avsngGhCnM+OxcZolEcmZPgb5 ur7PKHzCdR/yzOKWdH+/gnLFkBb8Ffo+z1ehhkiFY8ShkpUmBgv0doRuahsGyf5zL3X2 etqv3NM7HK13AgKBH0urVRzouQhXKhjb7skj6p2Vug9mmrx4OvCLwYI2xiV0bce7gKc3 1dGmGfneXqJaFQlMrBwAjVmE/wuswXxlZ4peJHaJDyG+CQBW37AXn5ynEc1+is/K3M7b SqPlERLi97ptwUXS95qGceeXlnrf4SPdzcLrqoE/DY9BgwjRwxIesZnzrbTw9Z/HLpP8 gssg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1bqrn+9M+e/3BxGVIo4VQQcjpWMiF/HqBSxKtfQXDus=; b=Siho+wjD4PksC6MptcqP1CWd3pYSxx6keOuMt+Mv6vCrhZzG13gUrYwH8HxWDBfsTA PVt5FnFrbVKG9b9Iu3ZP92nFGeISAdosiEKA0qdMcmM0s9DtUOt489YFX8IF7i0cEQPq gImHswyyPqDXBIdas4X27hbmWZ2qEoP/sLTsG+JihG97n0EcdsEMAU0PeIRjpTtC/VeS mQj6+Hh4BiTi0FitNo0k12i0ey8RBYh2+tUi5KJZ4aJycFBxZegDo6ZbNbkv/zfCJzLf GNzqNP9jMseWj4+C2pP9wsRBupW4kDXDJN3zGmPTra7ZweMESKZsxN0gxufXVXqIHyzT k1Gg== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUhsSDog6qc9fXK0GVv2KYnjKqVc7Mwtckch6libTfs37AckmdSG VBjwAtk82B+/jA8IBqN0IdQSIPAWKQ/VGEDyP28= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QD8asWuyM0tdCWE9PYBMStVxBc7rvqefMJ02mGkqXMJMXADQ3IWumJz5v1YkgK/BD8v7Wn3SLgI26y1yK21d0U= X-Received: by 10.176.74.129 with SMTP id s1mr9898122uae.191.1506968560777; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 11:22:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.10.12 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 11:22:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Suhas Nandakumar Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 11:22:40 -0700 Message-ID: To: Thomas Stach Cc: mmusic WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045f903ec0be27055a94756c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] ICE-SIP-SDP updates X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:22:50 -0000 --f403045f903ec0be27055a94756c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks Thomas for considering the changes into ice-trickle-sip draft. On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:21 AM, Thomas Stach wrote: > Suhas, > > inline > > > On 2017-10-01 00:46, Suhas Nandakumar wrote: > >> Hello Roman >> >> Just checking back on the above PR and if the changes look good. Also >> few comments inline >> >> >> Thanks >> Suhas >> >> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Roman Shpount > > wrote: >> >> Hi Suhas, >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Suhas Nandakumar >> > wrote: >> >> 1. Handling of ICE mismatch >> >> Where is ICE mismatch currently defined? I cannot find this in >> either rfc5245bis or ICE-SIP-SDP. >> >> I think ICE mismatch should occur if address in c= line and >> port in m= line do not match any of the candidates and >> address in c= line is not dummy address IN IP4 0.0.0.0 >> and port in m= line is not dummy port 9 . This is needed >> to match >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-jsep-21#sectio >> n-5.2.1 >> > on-5.2.1> >> and trickle ICE >> >> [Suhas] ICE mismatch is discussed in 4.1.2.3, 4.1.3.1 and 11.2.2 >> >> >> [roman] Section 4.1.2.3 should be modified to allow c= line with >> IN IP4 0.0.0.0 and port in m= line with port 9 not to be treated >> as ice-mismatch even if it does not match any of the candidates. >> Without this, trickle ICE and JSEP will cause ice-mismatch. >> Furthermore, rtcp attribute is optional, so the text needs to be >> modified to allow for this. >> >> >> [Suhas] I am not sure if ice-sip-sdp needs to define trickle ice >> requirements for ice-mismatch. Trickle ICE spec should be handling IP4 >> 0.0.0.0 and port 9 text and have a requirement to mention that it's no >> ice-mismatch. >> > I agree. While draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip mentions 0.0.0.0 and > port 9 already when trickling candidates using the INFO packages, handling > this in offers/answer is not explicitly specified. > I take this as WGLC comment for draft-trickle-ice-sip and will add > corresponding requirements for offer/answer handling. > > Regards > Thomas > > > This is very similar to ICE-BIS not speaking about trickle-ice >> > > >> 2. Move general requirements from >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp-26#se >> ction-12.2 >> > ection-12.2> >> into ICE-SIP-SDP. >> >> [Suhas] Added the supporting text in the above PR. Also the >> repository has HTML file for easy reading. >> >> >> [roman] This looks good, but I will double check and provide >> comments if I find anything. >> >> >> [Suhas] If the changes look good here,I would want to generate a new >> version for submission. >> >> >> 3. ICE transport tag >> >> [Suhas] IIRC, this topic was brought to discussion several >> times in the WG and there was no consensus on defining a new >> ICE specific transport tag. Personally, I feel this will be a >> large undertaking and we should avoid doing this as part of >> this draft work. I am open to suggestions. >> >> >> [roman] I agree that this can be left out and handled in the >> future draft if there is enough support for it. >> >> >> [Suhas] Thanks and agree with you >> >> >> Regards, >> _____________ >> Roman Shpount >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mmusic mailing list >> mmusic@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >> > > _______________________________________________ > mmusic mailing list > mmusic@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic > --f403045f903ec0be27055a94756c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Thomas for considering the changes into ice-trickle= -sip draft.

= On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:21 AM, Thomas Stach <thomass.stach@gmail.c= om> wrote:
Suhas,

inline


On 2017-10-01 00:46, Suhas Nandakumar wrote:
Hello Roman

=C2=A0 Just checking back on the above PR and if the changes look good. Als= o few comments inline


Thanks
Suhas

 On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com <mailto:roman@telurix.com>> w= rote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi Suhas,


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Suhas Nandakumar
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <= suhasietf@gmail.com <mailto:suhasietf@gmail.com>> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1. Handling of ICE mismatch

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Where is ICE mismatch currently defined? I cann= ot find this in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 either rfc5245bis or ICE-SIP-SDP.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think ICE mismatch should occur if address in= c=3D line and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 port in m=3D line do not match any of the candi= dates and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <new>address in c=3D line is not dummy ad= dress IN IP4 0.0.0.0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and port in m=3D line is not dummy port 9 </= new>. This is needed
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to match
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https= ://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-jsep-21#section-5.2.1
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-jsep-21#section-5.2.= 1>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and trickle ICE

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [Suhas] ICE mismatch is discussed in 4.1.2.3, = =C2=A04.1.3.1 and 11.2.2


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [roman] Section 4.1.2.3 should be modified to allow c=3D line= with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IN IP4 0.0.0.0 and port in m=3D line with port 9 not to be tr= eated
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 as ice-mismatch even if it does not match any of the candidat= es.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Without this, trickle ICE and JSEP will cause ice-mismatch. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Furthermore, rtcp attribute is optional, so the text needs to= be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 modified to allow for this.


[Suhas] I am not sure if ice-sip-sdp needs to define trickle ice requiremen= ts for ice-mismatch. Trickle ICE spec should be handling IP4 0.0.0.0 and po= rt 9 text and have a requirement to mention that it's no ice-mismatch.<= br>
I agree. While draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip mentions 0.0.0.0 and = port 9 already when trickling candidates using the INFO packages, handling = this in offers/answer is not explicitly specified.
I take this as WGLC comment for draft-trickle-ice-sip and will add correspo= nding requirements for offer/answer handling.

Regards
Thomas


This is very similar to ICE-BIS not speaking about trickle-ice


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2. Move general requirements from
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ht= tps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp-26#section-1= 2.2
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp-26#secti= on-12.2>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 into ICE-SIP-SDP.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [Suhas] Added the supporting text in the above = PR. Also the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 repository has HTML file for easy reading.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [roman] This looks good, but I will double check and provide<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 comments if I find anything.


[Suhas] If the changes look good here,I would want to generate a new versio= n for submission.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3. ICE transport tag

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [Suhas] IIRC, this topic was brought to discuss= ion several
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 times in the WG and there was no consensus on d= efining a new
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ICE specific transport tag. Personally, I feel = this will be a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 large undertaking and we should avoid doing thi= s as part of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 this draft work. I am open to suggestions.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[roman]=C2=A0 I agree that this can be left out and han= dled in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 future draft if there is enough support for it.


[Suhas] Thanks and agree with you


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Regards,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 _____________
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Roman Shpount




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--f403045f903ec0be27055a94756c-- From nobody Mon Oct 2 13:09:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietf.org Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3359A134847; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 13:09:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: mmusic@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150697495315.28780.1788140482757991873@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 13:09:13 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-14.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 20:09:13 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control WG of the IETF. Title : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Offer/Answer procedures for Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) Authors : Marc Petit-Huguenin Ari Keranen Suhas Nandakumar Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-14.txt Pages : 43 Date : 2017-10-02 Abstract: This document describes Session Description Protocol (SDP) Offer/ Answer procedures for carrying out Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) between the agents. 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Also >>> few comments inline >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Suhas >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Roman Shpount >> > wrote: >>> >>> Hi Suhas, >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Suhas Nandakumar >>> > wrote: >>> >>> 1. Handling of ICE mismatch >>> >>> Where is ICE mismatch currently defined? I cannot find this in >>> either rfc5245bis or ICE-SIP-SDP. >>> >>> I think ICE mismatch should occur if address in c= line and >>> port in m= line do not match any of the candidates and >>> address in c= line is not dummy address IN IP4 0.0.0.0 >>> and port in m= line is not dummy port 9 . This is needed >>> to match >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-jsep-21#sectio >>> n-5.2.1 >>> >> on-5.2.1> >>> and trickle ICE >>> >>> [Suhas] ICE mismatch is discussed in 4.1.2.3, 4.1.3.1 and 11.2.2 >>> >>> >>> [roman] Section 4.1.2.3 should be modified to allow c= line with >>> IN IP4 0.0.0.0 and port in m= line with port 9 not to be treated >>> as ice-mismatch even if it does not match any of the candidates. >>> Without this, trickle ICE and JSEP will cause ice-mismatch. >>> Furthermore, rtcp attribute is optional, so the text needs to be >>> modified to allow for this. >>> >>> >>> [Suhas] I am not sure if ice-sip-sdp needs to define trickle ice >>> requirements for ice-mismatch. Trickle ICE spec should be handling IP4 >>> 0.0.0.0 and port 9 text and have a requirement to mention that it's no >>> ice-mismatch. >>> >> I agree. While draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip mentions 0.0.0.0 and >> port 9 already when trickling candidates using the INFO packages, handling >> this in offers/answer is not explicitly specified. >> I take this as WGLC comment for draft-trickle-ice-sip and will add >> corresponding requirements for offer/answer handling. >> >> Regards >> Thomas >> >> >> This is very similar to ICE-BIS not speaking about trickle-ice >>> >> >> >>> 2. Move general requirements from >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp-26#se >>> ction-12.2 >>> >> ection-12.2> >>> into ICE-SIP-SDP. >>> >>> [Suhas] Added the supporting text in the above PR. Also the >>> repository has HTML file for easy reading. >>> >>> >>> [roman] This looks good, but I will double check and provide >>> comments if I find anything. >>> >>> >>> [Suhas] If the changes look good here,I would want to generate a new >>> version for submission. >>> >>> >>> 3. ICE transport tag >>> >>> [Suhas] IIRC, this topic was brought to discussion several >>> times in the WG and there was no consensus on defining a new >>> ICE specific transport tag. Personally, I feel this will be a >>> large undertaking and we should avoid doing this as part of >>> this draft work. I am open to suggestions. >>> >>> >>> [roman] I agree that this can be left out and handled in the >>> future draft if there is enough support for it. >>> >>> >>> [Suhas] Thanks and agree with you >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> _____________ >>> Roman Shpount >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mmusic mailing list >>> mmusic@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mmusic mailing list >> mmusic@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >> > > --001a114da45af687f3055a95f97b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Flemming/Roman/All

=C2=A0I went a= head and submitted version-14 of the draft that includes Roman's inputs= =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-14.txt
<= div>
Please let me know if you have any questions
<= br>
Cheers
Suhas
=
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Suhas Nanda= kumar <suhasietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Thomas for considering the changes in= to ice-trickle-sip draft.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 a= t 3:21 AM, Thomas Stach <thomass.stach@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Suhas,

inline


On 2017-10-01 00:46, Suhas Nandakumar wrote:
Hello Roman

=C2=A0 Just checking back on the above PR and if the changes look good. Als= o few comments inline


Thanks
Suhas

 On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com <mailto:roman@telurix.com>> w= rote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi Suhas,


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Suhas Nandakumar
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <= suhasietf@gmail.com <mailto:suhasietf@gmail.com>> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1. Handling of ICE mismatch

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Where is ICE mismatch currently defined? I cann= ot find this in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 either rfc5245bis or ICE-SIP-SDP.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think ICE mismatch should occur if address in= c=3D line and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 port in m=3D line do not match any of the candi= dates and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <new>address in c=3D line is not dummy ad= dress IN IP4 0.0.0.0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and port in m=3D line is not dummy port 9 </= new>. This is needed
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to match
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https= ://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-jsep-21#section-5.2.1
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-jsep-21#section-5.2.= 1>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and trickle ICE

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [Suhas] ICE mismatch is discussed in 4.1.2.3, = =C2=A04.1.3.1 and 11.2.2


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [roman] Section 4.1.2.3 should be modified to allow c=3D line= with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IN IP4 0.0.0.0 and port in m=3D line with port 9 not to be tr= eated
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 as ice-mismatch even if it does not match any of the candidat= es.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Without this, trickle ICE and JSEP will cause ice-mismatch. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Furthermore, rtcp attribute is optional, so the text needs to= be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 modified to allow for this.


[Suhas] I am not sure if ice-sip-sdp needs to define trickle ice requiremen= ts for ice-mismatch. Trickle ICE spec should be handling IP4 0.0.0.0 and po= rt 9 text and have a requirement to mention that it's no ice-mismatch.<= br>
I agree. While draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip mentions 0.0.0.0 and = port 9 already when trickling candidates using the INFO packages, handling = this in offers/answer is not explicitly specified.
I take this as WGLC comment for draft-trickle-ice-sip and will add correspo= nding requirements for offer/answer handling.

Regards
Thomas


This is very similar to ICE-BIS not speaking about trickle-ice


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2. Move general requirements from
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ht= tps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp-26#section-1= 2.2
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp-26#secti= on-12.2>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 into ICE-SIP-SDP.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [Suhas] Added the supporting text in the above = PR. Also the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 repository has HTML file for easy reading.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [roman] This looks good, but I will double check and provide<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 comments if I find anything.


[Suhas] If the changes look good here,I would want to generate a new versio= n for submission.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3. ICE transport tag

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [Suhas] IIRC, this topic was brought to discuss= ion several
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 times in the WG and there was no consensus on d= efining a new
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ICE specific transport tag. Personally, I feel = this will be a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 large undertaking and we should avoid doing thi= s as part of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 this draft work. I am open to suggestions.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[roman]=C2=A0 I agree that this can be left out and han= dled in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 future draft if there is enough support for it.


[Suhas] Thanks and agree with you


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Regards,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 _____________
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Roman Shpount




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This version includes transport related changes identified= by Roman (Thanks Roman)

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On Mon, Oct 2, 2017= at 1:09 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control WG o= f the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Session Description Protocol (SDP) Offer/Answer procedures for Interactive= Connectivity Establishment (ICE)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Marc= Petit-Huguenin
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-14.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 43
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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes Session Description Protocol (SDP) Off= er/
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Answer procedures for carrying out Interactive Connectivity =C2=A0 =C2=A0Establishment (ICE) between the agents.


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--001a11411ee09949bf055a966386-- From nobody Thu Oct 5 05:35:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietf.org Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5D4132198; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 05:35:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp@ietf.org, mmusic-chairs@ietf.org, fandreas@cisco.com, mmusic@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150720690401.1325.17155923418161810497.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 05:35:04 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [MMUSIC] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft?= =?utf-8?q?-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-30=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:35:04 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-30: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for addressing my discuss by simply removing section 7.1! Old comments: A couple mostly editorial comments: - Probably a nit: In section 3.2 'must' is used while in section 3.3 'MUST' is used. I would assume that both sections should probably use the same. - in sec 5.1: "Because of this, if an unordered transport is used for the DTLS association, a new transport (3-tuple) must be allocated by at least one of the endpoints so that DTLS packets can be de-multiplexed." Why is this a 3-tuple (instead of a 5-tuple)? I guess you talk about the source address, source port, transport 3-tuple? May say this more explicitly. Also the word of the use transport is confusing to me here because it's used for the transport protocol as well as for the transport 'connection' (if a connection-oriented transport protocol is used). Maybe s/new transport/new flow/? Moreover, there should probably be a 'MUST' here instead of 'must'! - sec 5.2:"In addition, the offerer MUST insert in the offer an SDP 'tls-id' attribute with a unique attribute value." Is that a MUST or rather a SHOULD? The rest of the text reads like this should be a SHOULD. - Shouldn't this document cite RFC6347 normatively, e.g. here (sec 5.3): "... the answerer MUST initiate a DTLS handshake by sending a DTLS ClientHello message towards the offerer." - I would like to see more discussion about linkability based on the introduction of the "tls-id" in the security considerations section. From nobody Fri Oct 6 02:12:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427AD134829; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 02:12:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QhhfFgIKdyAy; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 02:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg23.ericsson.net (sessmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1FE213482A; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 02:12:19 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-bddff7000000268d-ac-59d748f124cd Received: from ESESSHC009.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.45]) by sessmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 50.60.09869.1F847D95; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 11:12:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB109.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.6]) by ESESSHC009.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.45]) with mapi id 14.03.0352.000; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 11:12:17 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: =?Windows-1252?Q?Mirja_K=FChlewind?= , The IESG CC: "draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp@ietf.org" , "mmusic-chairs@ietf.org" , "fandreas@cisco.com" , "mmusic@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: =?Windows-1252?Q?Mirja_K=FChlewind's_No_Objection_on_draft-ietf-mmusic-dt?= =?Windows-1252?Q?ls-sdp-30:_(with_COMMENT)?= Thread-Index: AQHTPdZfBKfwv3PKPECPpaiEmZYbHaLWnTgA Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 09:12:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: <150720690401.1325.17155923418161810497.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <150720690401.1325.17155923418161810497.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.7.7.170905 x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.19] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrFIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7ru4nj+uRBvOucFr8nzif1eL9BV2L GX8mMlu8uP6R2eL8zvVMFlOXP2ZxYPOY8nsjq8eSJT+ZPFo+LmQNYI7isklJzcksSy3St0vg ynjbup+loEOh4lhjZgPjAckuRk4OCQETiWkPzrJ3MXJxCAkcYZRYtfQxM4SzkFGidWEvWxcj BwebgIVE9z9tkAYRgSiJ4w8/gTUwC9xglPgxeSYbiCMs0M4osXrKW1YQR0Sgg1Fi/rP3jBAt RhJ7VrazgtgsAioSE9euZgOxeQWsJeb8fQoWFxLwlTi9tJEZxOYU8JPY1LcCrJdRQEzi+6k1 TCA2s4C4xK0n85kg7haQWLLnPDOELSrx8vE/sDmiAnoSG07cZoeIK0q0P21ghOg1kHh/bj4z hG0t8bThBQuErS2xbOFrZoh7BCVOznzCMoFRfBaSdbOQtM9C0j4LSfssJO0LGFlXMYoWpxYX 56YbGeulFmUmFxfn5+nlpZZsYgTG6MEtv3V3MK5+7XiIUYCDUYmH10XreqQQa2JZcWXuIUYJ DmYlEV5he6AQb0piZVVqUX58UWlOavEhRmkOFiVxXod9FyKEBNITS1KzU1MLUotgskwcnFIN jKL6tX9Xvbjs8chDam/cakcj9li3K0wWyavbE6KWlwfOff9ibtfxlk/3otkjP/2UmuzwJu7T hHKuqZ5cajsdpLY6xsYfm2F+NvjBd7+/kasuzX/3dpv1pkgtvn8Nm9SuCYQtlFPe9+o+k9Kr R0FhzmwfGKKCH0zcFfPS9YJDzVbzQzeiVoaxTVFiKc5INNRiLipOBACZrZSzzQIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] =?windows-1252?q?Mirja_K=FChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_?= =?windows-1252?q?draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-30=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 09:12:22 -0000 Hi Mirja, I think Roman earlier did reply to some of your comments, but we forgot to implement the ones that required text modification. Sorry for that. I will include his replies in this reply for convenience. Please see inline. >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >COMMENT: >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Thanks for addressing my discuss by simply removing section 7.1! > >Old comments: > >A couple mostly editorial comments: >- Probably a nit: In section 3.2 'must' is used while in section 3.3 >'MUST' is >used. I would assume that both sections should probably use the same. Yes. I will fix it. --- >- in sec 5.1: "Because of > this, if an unordered transport is used for the DTLS association, a > new transport (3-tuple) must be allocated by at least one of the > endpoints so that DTLS packets can be de-multiplexed." >Why is this a 3-tuple (instead of a 5-tuple)? I guess you talk about the >source >address, source port, transport 3-tuple? May say this more explicitly. Each end point allocates a 3-tuple for connection (transport/address /port). Connections are disambiguated using 5 tuple (transport/source address/source port/destination address/destination port). We can make this more explicit. "Because of this, if an unordered transport is used for the DTLS association, a new 3-tuple (transport, address and port) MUST be allocated by at least one of the endpoints so that DTLS packets can be de-multiplexed.=B2 =8Aand: "When an offerer needs to establish a new DTLS association, and if an unordered transport (e.g., UDP) is used, the offerer MUST allocate a new 3-tuple=8A=B2 =8Aand: "When an answerer needs to establish a new DTLS association, if an unordered transport is used, and if the offerer did not allocate a new 3-tuple, the answerer MUST allocate a new 3-tuple for the answer in such a way that it can disambiguate any packets associated with the new DTLS association from any packets associated with any other DTLS association." >Also the word of the use transport is confusing to me here because it's >used for the >transport protocol as well as for the transport 'connection' (if a >connection-oriented transport protocol is used). Maybe s/new transport/new >flow/? Moreover, there should probably be a 'MUST' here instead of 'must'! I removed =B3transport=B2, and simply say 3-tuple, with the transport/address/port clarification on the first occurrence (see above). --- >- sec 5.2:"In addition, the offerer MUST insert in the > offer an SDP 'tls-id' attribute with a unique attribute value." >Is that a MUST or rather a SHOULD? The rest of the text reads like this >should >be a SHOULD. Implementations compliant with this specification MUST insert tls-id in offers and respond with answer with tls-id if tls-id was present in the offer. This is how end points indicate that they support this specification. --- >- Shouldn't this document cite RFC6347 normatively, e.g. here (sec 5.3): >"... the answerer MUST initiate a DTLS handshake by sending a > DTLS ClientHello message towards the offerer." I will add a reference to RFC6347 to the first occurrence of 'DLTS handshake'. --- >- I would like to see more discussion about linkability based on the >introduction of the "tls-id" in the security considerations section. This comment we actually did address (but forgot to inform you), by adding the=20 following paragraph to the Security Considerations: "This specification does not modify the actual TLS connection setup procedures. The SDP 'tls-is' attribute as such cannot be used to correlate an SDP Offer/Answer exchange with a TLS connection setup. Thus, this draft does not introduce new security considerations related to correlating an SDP Offer/Answer exchange with a TLS connection setup.=B2 --- Regards, Christer From nobody Fri Oct 6 02:54:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562571348A0; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 02:54:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jZkGRaKVR2Kn; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 02:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg22.ericsson.net (sessmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.58]) (using 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Looks good! Mirja > Am 06.10.2017 um 11:12 schrieb Christer Holmberg = : >=20 > Hi Mirja, >=20 > I think Roman earlier did reply to some of your comments, but we = forgot to > implement the ones that required text modification. Sorry for that. I = will > include his replies in this reply for convenience. >=20 > Please see inline. >=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> Thanks for addressing my discuss by simply removing section 7.1! >>=20 >> Old comments: >>=20 >> A couple mostly editorial comments: >> - Probably a nit: In section 3.2 'must' is used while in section 3.3 >> 'MUST' is >> used. I would assume that both sections should probably use the same. >=20 > Yes. I will fix it. >=20 > --- >=20 >> - in sec 5.1: "Because of >> this, if an unordered transport is used for the DTLS association, a >> new transport (3-tuple) must be allocated by at least one of the >> endpoints so that DTLS packets can be de-multiplexed." >> Why is this a 3-tuple (instead of a 5-tuple)? I guess you talk about = the >> source >> address, source port, transport 3-tuple? May say this more = explicitly. >=20 > Each end point allocates a 3-tuple for connection (transport/address > /port). Connections are disambiguated using 5 tuple (transport/source > address/source port/destination address/destination port). >=20 > We can make this more explicit. >=20 > "Because of this, if an unordered transport is used for the DTLS > association, a new 3-tuple (transport, address and port) MUST be > allocated by at least > one of the endpoints so that DTLS packets can be de-multiplexed.=C2=B2= >=20 >=20 > =C5=A0and: >=20 > "When an offerer needs to establish a new DTLS association, and if = an > unordered transport (e.g., UDP) is used, the offerer MUST allocate = a > new 3-tuple=C5=A0=C2=B2 >=20 >=20 > =C5=A0and: >=20 > "When an answerer needs to establish a new DTLS association, if an > unordered transport is used, and if the offerer did not allocate a > new 3-tuple, the answerer MUST allocate a new 3-tuple for the > answer in such a way that it can disambiguate any packets = associated > with the new DTLS association from any packets associated with any > other DTLS association." >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> Also the word of the use transport is confusing to me here because = it's >> used for the >> transport protocol as well as for the transport 'connection' (if a >> connection-oriented transport protocol is used). Maybe s/new = transport/new >> flow/? Moreover, there should probably be a 'MUST' here instead of = 'must'! >=20 > I removed =C2=B3transport=C2=B2, and simply say 3-tuple, with the > transport/address/port clarification on the first occurrence (see = above). >=20 > --- >=20 >> - sec 5.2:"In addition, the offerer MUST insert in the >> offer an SDP 'tls-id' attribute with a unique attribute value." >> Is that a MUST or rather a SHOULD? The rest of the text reads like = this >> should >> be a SHOULD. >=20 > >=20 > Implementations compliant with this specification MUST insert tls-id = in > offers and respond with answer with tls-id if tls-id was present in = the > offer. This is how end points indicate that they support this > specification. >=20 >=20 > --- >=20 >> - Shouldn't this document cite RFC6347 normatively, e.g. here (sec = 5.3): >> "... the answerer MUST initiate a DTLS handshake by sending a >> DTLS ClientHello message towards the offerer." >=20 > I will add a reference to RFC6347 to the first occurrence of 'DLTS > handshake'. >=20 > --- >=20 >> - I would like to see more discussion about linkability based on the >> introduction of the "tls-id" in the security considerations section. >=20 > This comment we actually did address (but forgot to inform you), by = adding > the=20 > following paragraph to the Security Considerations: >=20 > "This specification does not modify the actual TLS connection setup > procedures. The SDP 'tls-is' attribute as such cannot be used to > correlate an SDP Offer/Answer exchange with a TLS connection setup. > Thus, this draft does not introduce new security considerations > related to correlating an SDP Offer/Answer exchange with a TLS > connection setup.=C2=B2 >=20 >=20 > --- >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Christer >=20 From nobody Sat Oct 7 04:24:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietf.org Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657E4134237; Sat, 7 Oct 2017 04:24:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: mmusic@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150737548337.11031.474535353887318637@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 04:24:43 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-31.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 11:24:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control WG of the IETF. Title : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Offer/Answer Considerations for Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS) and Transport Layer Security (TLS) Authors : Christer Holmberg Roman Shpount Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-31.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2017-10-07 Abstract: This document defines the Session Description Protocol (SDP) offer/ answer procedures for negotiating and establishing a Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS) association. The document also defines the criteria for when a new DTLS association must be established. The document updates RFC 5763 and RFC 7345, by replacing common SDP offer/answer procedures with a reference to this specification. This document defines a new SDP media-level attribute, 'tls-id'. This document also defines how the 'tls-id' attribute can be used for negotiating and establishing a Transport Layer Security (TLS) connection, in conjunction with the procedures in RFC 4145 and RFC 8122. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-31 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-31 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-31 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Begen" Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 14:54:39 +0300 Message-ID: To: Flemming Andreasen Cc: mmusic Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1b861257fa63055af39ff9" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] WGLC on draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc4566bis-23 X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 11:54:43 -0000 --94eb2c1b861257fa63055af39ff9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Flemming We passed the WGLC deadline and I got some editorial comments and I will submit a revision shortly. Thanks. -acbegen On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Flemming Andreasen wrote: > Greetings MMUSIC > > This is to announce a 2 week WGLC on the draft: > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc4566bis-23.txt > > as Proposed Standard. Please review and provide any comments you may have > on the document by Monday, October 2, 2017. Comments should be sent to the > document authors and the MMUSIC WG list. If you review the document but do > not have any comments, please send a note to that effect as well. > > Thanks > > -- Flemming (MMUSIC co-chair) > --94eb2c1b861257fa63055af39ff9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Flemming

We passed the WGLC deadline= and I got some editorial comments and I will submit a revision shortly.

Thanks.
-acbegen

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 4:58 PM= , Flemming Andreasen <fandreas@cisco.com> wrote:
Greetings MMUSIC

This is to announce a 2 week WGLC on the draft:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://www.ietf= .org/id/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc4566bis-23.txt

as Proposed Standard. Please review and provide any comments you may have o= n the document by Monday, October 2, 2017. Comments should be sent to the d= ocument authors and the MMUSIC WG list. If you review the document but do n= ot have any comments, please send a note to that effect as well.

Thanks

-- Flemming (MMUSIC co-chair)

--94eb2c1b861257fa63055af39ff9-- From nobody Sat Oct 7 12:18:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietf.org Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79F2134B3A; Sat, 7 Oct 2017 12:18:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: mmusic@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150740392277.10982.16144391460498935057@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 12:18:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc4566bis-24.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 19:18:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control WG of the IETF. Title : SDP: Session Description Protocol Authors : Mark Handley Colin Perkins Ali Begen Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc4566bis-24.txt Pages : 58 Date : 2017-10-07 Abstract: This memo defines the Session Description Protocol (SDP). SDP is intended for describing multimedia sessions for the purposes of session announcement, session invitation, and other forms of multimedia session initiation. This document obsoletes RFC 4566. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc4566bis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc4566bis-24 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc4566bis-24 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc4566bis-24 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Oct 11 08:53:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietf.org Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DD8120720; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:53:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: mmusic@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150773723690.24807.6478951424923010059@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:53:56 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-09.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:53:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control WG of the IETF. Title : A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) usage for Trickle ICE Authors : Emil Ivov Thomas Stach Enrico Marocco Christer Holmberg Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-09.txt Pages : 41 Date : 2017-10-11 Abstract: The Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) protocol describes a Network Address Translator (NAT) traversal mechanism for UDP-based multimedia sessions established with the Offer/Answer model. The ICE extension for Incremental Provisioning of Candidates (Trickle ICE) defines a mechanism that allows ICE Agents to shorten session establishment delays by making the candidate gathering and connectivity checking phases of ICE non-blocking and by executing them in parallel. This document defines usage semantics for Trickle ICE with the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and defines a new Info Package as specified in [RFC6086]. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-09 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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([2001:62a:4:414:86e5:2546:6f88:212e]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id s21sm5712417wra.16.2017.10.11.08.58.40 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:58:41 -0700 (PDT) To: MMUSIC References: <150773723707.24807.13403250765466152673.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Thomas Stach Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:58:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150773723707.24807.13403250765466152673.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-09.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:58:46 -0000 All, this update includes the following changes from draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-08    o  editorial fixes/clarification/corrections based on Flemmings review    o  Description of Trickle specifics in O/A procedures for initial O/A       exchange and specification of ICE mismatch exception Since the WGLC passed without review comments apart from Flemming's, we would a appreciate a further review from a fresh pair of eyes. Please consider spending a few cycles. Regards Thomas On 2017-10-11 17:53, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-09.txt > has been successfully submitted by Thomas Stach and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip > Revision: 09 > Title: A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) usage for Trickle ICE > Document date: 2017-10-10 > Group: mmusic > Pages: 41 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-09.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-09 > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-09 > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-09 > > Abstract: > The Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) protocol describes a > Network Address Translator (NAT) traversal mechanism for UDP-based > multimedia sessions established with the Offer/Answer model. The ICE > extension for Incremental Provisioning of Candidates (Trickle ICE) > defines a mechanism that allows ICE Agents to shorten session > establishment delays by making the candidate gathering and > connectivity checking phases of ICE non-blocking and by executing > them in parallel. > > This document defines usage semantics for Trickle ICE with the > Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and defines a new Info Package as > specified in [RFC6086]. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > From nobody Wed Oct 11 09:46:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94271132A1A for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:46:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=telurix-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e3ehPR0r8P4P for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pg0-x22d.google.com (mail-pg0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 677DC12008A for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id v13so1290503pgq.6 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:46:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=telurix-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dE3O9YMkyBxIDlbeV4TD0UJbYjtdxWC8j7GroZUupZM=; b=c1VlgTN3N5D/cuUk00RO1lljpUG/i0bOCLiXFo+YxSWLIkYv3bb5O3Z/RJJAjivYej YbhceOwgv+u0w3emIDDHYdHppkQ3J4xJ7Uk2n/HrL2PBslq+PoHy/L+xdEm80hXDmonx wjYgwhXhLyLBnSad6TJsCuz3AJyWYDmvc/15WM1OXEZEU07U95WcETCaFNjcle2fNdY3 bmMN1j6stEIVKnGghtlWznsf5jgd9/Us49+2oL8gEekNnXXnw66v28KNhm5o9hOm5P1K M8xjSUS3jIKUl+6i9yLUaVBngfB1UP/szD67+HIhhFrkO62bVIReGS0stnVdyCDS/gIg juIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dE3O9YMkyBxIDlbeV4TD0UJbYjtdxWC8j7GroZUupZM=; b=VKd0JK6rqa6vH2y1cSSiPOmzJNRc2AYn/xrL6RCTmy+fi0UKcoWqBIa9HBro3RBX7K k00Pfoao83J61ZAIosY+vDtLbOhbfqeVSdhpM0a0u6UHlpJ9/xM8/BhrD/IbcPzz/2/V IhYd1PLM3D+6Yjj4/2L3kkzr9jgmGYRNMaWc1yU167x9U4isfnxfTrPpisJ0uZFAwh1q 3cjZWXFVOU6UTvVlyUlfA2ppHMBl3Ue/4D+MBX2AldXm8CsNLCJaX+rYINp3qCnOctPJ b8G6bEZJWpa+FNwKoemWk0wtiKaLoHYB/C5gyIAFZBPJ0z4gvOHJoubj8ybhAsRzMHWO 3Rkw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaXOBisxdYGI5w7e5HvNeZ1nmw/veR0VZm2ni8aTJtz/kamqpz4y /jH1XZcWlBgYgylZidHr9Foj/8A7 X-Received: by 10.99.102.69 with SMTP id a66mr177100pgc.346.1507740377769; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-f181.google.com (mail-pf0-f181.google.com. [209.85.192.181]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x4sm24085467pfb.101.2017.10.11.09.46.16 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-f181.google.com with SMTP id e64so1378464pfk.9 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:46:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDzOqorGsRms1J04p30hzt6VfxaALL4Qxd4RE0pmQf/x1APj97hEb6qQS44mmLkubLndMAkJCVtbzWMzY1QeaE= X-Received: by 10.84.235.75 with SMTP id g11mr139030plt.155.1507740376760; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:46:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.128.131 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:46:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Roman Shpount Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:46:16 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Thomas Stach Cc: MMUSIC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e0822e3b0920968055b482917" Archived-At: Subject: [MMUSIC] Genration of initial offer in trickle-ice-sip X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:46:19 -0000 --089e0822e3b0920968055b482917 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thomas, The initial offer generation should include guidance regarding a=rtcp attribute. I would suggest saying that a=rtcp attribute MUST not be included in the initial offer. Regards, _____________ Roman Shpount --089e0822e3b0920968055b482917 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thomas,

The initial offer generation sh= ould include guidance regarding a=3Drtcp attribute. I would suggest saying = that a=3Drtcp attribute MUST not be included in the initial offer.

Regards,

___= __________
Roman Shpount
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Roman,

can you point out the reason, why you want that?

Regards

Thomas


On 2017-10-11 18:46, Roman Shpount wrote:
Thomas,

The initial offer generation should include guidance regarding a=rtcp attribute. I would suggest saying that a=rtcp attribute MUST not be included in the initial offer.

Regards,

_____________
Roman Shpount

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[209.85.192.175]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j12sm25648752pgs.35.2017.10.12.11.36.21 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-f175.google.com with SMTP id d28so6100615pfe.2 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:36:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDYCFS2/KmfHflSyJ000Uy+Upc2ATm7GpuvtJIXp90Hh0diGDt3zxTFibhEsHPvodhQpMAz4JQDNmibzNNdrn8= X-Received: by 10.98.100.210 with SMTP id y201mr2886944pfb.178.1507833381023; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:36:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.128.131 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:36:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1dbb022d-3fed-d91a-a345-5bf47db06c66@gmail.com> References: <1dbb022d-3fed-d91a-a345-5bf47db06c66@gmail.com> From: Roman Shpount Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 14:36:20 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Thomas Stach Cc: MMUSIC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0d5d900e76c6055b5dd1b0" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Genration of initial offer in trickle-ice-sip X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:36:24 -0000 --94eb2c0d5d900e76c6055b5dd1b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thomas, Draft ice-sip-sdp indicates that for the default destination/port for RTCP component, the address and port are indicted using the "a=rtcp" attribute defined in [RFC3605], if present; otherwise, the RTCP component address is same as the address of the RTP component, and its port is one greater than the port of the RTP component. In case of trickle ICE, default RTCP destination does not fall into any of those categories, since it is disabled. Furthermore, draft ice-sip-sdp specifies that mismatch should occur if default RTCP component does not match any of the provided candidates. You have provided guidance for not initiating ice-mismatch for RTP component, but not for the RTCP one. The simplest solution would be to specify that a=rtcp attribute should not be present in the offer (it carries no useful information) and should not cause ice-mismatch. Regards, _____________ Roman Shpount On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:34 AM, Thomas Stach wrote: > Roman, > > can you point out the reason, why you want that? > > Regards > > Thomas > > On 2017-10-11 18:46, Roman Shpount wrote: > > Thomas, > > The initial offer generation should include guidance regarding a=rtcp > attribute. I would suggest saying that a=rtcp attribute MUST not be > included in the initial offer. > > Regards, > > _____________ > Roman Shpount > > > --94eb2c0d5d900e76c6055b5dd1b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thomas,

Draft ice-sip-sdp indicates tha= t for the default destination/port for RTCP component, the address and port= are indicted using the "a=3Drtcp" attribute defined in [RFC3605]= , if present; otherwise, the RTCP component address is same as the address = of the RTP component, and its port is one greater than the port of the RTP = component. In case of trickle ICE, default RTCP destination does not fall i= nto any of those categories, since it is disabled. Furthermore, draft ice-s= ip-sdp=C2=A0specifies that mismatch should occur if default RTCP component = does not match any of the provided candidates. You have provided guidance f= or not initiating ice-mismatch for RTP component, but not for the RTCP one.= The simplest solution would be to specify that a=3Drtcp attribute should n= ot be present in the offer (it carries no useful information) and should no= t cause ice-mismatch.

Regards,

_____________
Roman Shpount

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:34 AM, Thomas Stac= h <thomass.stach@gmail.com> wrote:
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Roman,

can you point out the reason, why you want that?

Regards

Thomas


On 2017-10-11 18:46= , Roman Shpount wrote:
Thomas,

The initial offer generation should include guidance regarding a=3Drtcp attribute. I would suggest saying that a=3Drtc= p attribute MUST not be included in the initial offer.

Regards,

_____________
Roman Shpount


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[91.130.24.173]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d82sm959525wmd.14.2017.10.12.14.51.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Oct 2017 14:51:46 -0700 (PDT) To: Roman Shpount Cc: MMUSIC References: <1dbb022d-3fed-d91a-a345-5bf47db06c66@gmail.com> From: Thomas Stach Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 23:51:45 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6204190F8B03CA508B191859" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Genration of initial offer in trickle-ice-sip X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 21:51:52 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6204190F8B03CA508B191859 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Roman, thanks! Your explanation makes sense to me. I'll add corresponding text. Thomas On 2017-10-12 20:36, Roman Shpount wrote: > Thomas, > > Draft ice-sip-sdp indicates that for the default destination/port for > RTCP component, the address and port are indicted using the "a=rtcp" > attribute defined in [RFC3605], if present; otherwise, the RTCP > component address is same as the address of the RTP component, and its > port is one greater than the port of the RTP component. In case of > trickle ICE, default RTCP destination does not fall into any of those > categories, since it is disabled. Furthermore, draft > ice-sip-sdp specifies that mismatch should occur if default RTCP > component does not match any of the provided candidates. You have > provided guidance for not initiating ice-mismatch for RTP component, > but not for the RTCP one. The simplest solution would be to specify > that a=rtcp attribute should not be present in the offer (it carries > no useful information) and should not cause ice-mismatch. > > Regards, > > _____________ > Roman Shpount > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:34 AM, Thomas Stach > wrote: > > Roman, > > can you point out the reason, why you want that? > > Regards > > Thomas > > > On 2017-10-11 18:46, Roman Shpount wrote: >> Thomas, >> >> The initial offer generation should include guidance regarding >> a=rtcp attribute. I would suggest saying that a=rtcp attribute >> MUST not be included in the initial offer. >> >> Regards, >> >> _____________ >> Roman Shpount > > --------------6204190F8B03CA508B191859 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Roman,

thanks!

Your explanation makes sense to me. I'll add corresponding text.

Thomas


On 2017-10-12 20:36, Roman Shpount wrote:
Thomas,

Draft ice-sip-sdp indicates that for the default destination/port for RTCP component, the address and port are indicted using the "a=rtcp" attribute defined in [RFC3605], if present; otherwise, the RTCP component address is same as the address of the RTP component, and its port is one greater than the port of the RTP component. In case of trickle ICE, default RTCP destination does not fall into any of those categories, since it is disabled. Furthermore, draft ice-sip-sdp specifies that mismatch should occur if default RTCP component does not match any of the provided candidates. You have provided guidance for not initiating ice-mismatch for RTP component, but not for the RTCP one. The simplest solution would be to specify that a=rtcp attribute should not be present in the offer (it carries no useful information) and should not cause ice-mismatch.

Regards,

_____________
Roman Shpount

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:34 AM, Thomas Stach <thomass.stach@gmail.com> wrote:

Roman,

can you point out the reason, why you want that?

Regards

Thomas

On 2017-10-11 18:46, Roman Shpount wrote:
Thomas,

The initial offer generation should include guidance regarding a=rtcp attribute. I would suggest saying that a=rtcp attribute MUST not be included in the initial offer.

Regards,

_____________
Roman Shpount



--------------6204190F8B03CA508B191859-- From nobody Mon Oct 16 01:46:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietf.org Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE8513445B; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 01:46:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: mmusic@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150814358400.32731.11136801319864368741@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 01:46:24 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-10.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 08:46:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control WG of the IETF. Title : A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) usage for Trickle ICE Authors : Emil Ivov Thomas Stach Enrico Marocco Christer Holmberg Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-10.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2017-10-16 Abstract: The Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) protocol describes a Network Address Translator (NAT) traversal mechanism for UDP-based multimedia sessions established with the Offer/Answer model. The ICE extension for Incremental Provisioning of Candidates (Trickle ICE) defines a mechanism that allows ICE Agents to shorten session establishment delays by making the candidate gathering and connectivity checking phases of ICE non-blocking and by executing them in parallel. This document defines usage semantics for Trickle ICE with the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and defines a new Info Package as specified in [RFC6086]. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Please consider spending a few cycles. Regards Thomas -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-10.txt Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 01:46:24 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Christer Holmberg , Enrico Marocco , Thomas Stach , Emil Ivov A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-10.txt has been successfully submitted by Thomas Stach and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip Revision: 10 Title: A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) usage for Trickle ICE Document date: 2017-10-15 Group: mmusic Pages: 42 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-10.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-10 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-10 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-10 Abstract: The Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) protocol describes a Network Address Translator (NAT) traversal mechanism for UDP-based multimedia sessions established with the Offer/Answer model. The ICE extension for Incremental Provisioning of Candidates (Trickle ICE) defines a mechanism that allows ICE Agents to shorten session establishment delays by making the candidate gathering and connectivity checking phases of ICE non-blocking and by executing them in parallel. This document defines usage semantics for Trickle ICE with the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and defines a new Info Package as specified in [RFC6086]. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat From nobody Mon Oct 16 05:50:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563601326ED for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 05:50:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.519 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5a9FbVd7LbPV for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 05:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD9A91321BB for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 05:50:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=7086; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1508158243; x=1509367843; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=/THKVHcU4sIIr5ey1wf/8vzivx7ker9CAtMRPKKi8N0=; b=G9LYv+9tznSTdw5pNiO9N5LqLVy8xOP9tvrLZ+WupU5nxyy24cXL55ud bi3j/kBYpCOemo6F7g6X8YJKsAZ88AkWyouwdNmYEHSXMtrmKlju3IyUA 5YFEU8+REdu628vJttfMHkHYILw0P2JHFRgozaCrUjWTHc4iC2dvLYtXw Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CrAACuquRZ/51dJa1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg19kbieDeoofjzGBdohFiCuFP4IUChgBCoRJTwKEVj8YAQIBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBayiFHgEBBAEBIUQHCxALGCcDAgIhBh8RBgEMBgIBAReJagMIDRCqLYInJ?= =?us-ascii?q?ocWDYNoAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGAWDLYIHgVGBaiuCf4JehTqCYQW?= =?us-ascii?q?hDDyPcoR5i2SHMo0DiGyBOR84gVlVJRVJgmSEeyQ2ilUBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,387,1503360000"; d="scan'208,217";a="311984814" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 16 Oct 2017 12:50:42 +0000 Received: from [10.118.10.19] (rtp-fandreas-2-8812.cisco.com [10.118.10.19]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v9GCofkO006857; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:50:41 GMT To: Roman Shpount , Thomas Stach Cc: MMUSIC References: <1dbb022d-3fed-d91a-a345-5bf47db06c66@gmail.com> From: Flemming Andreasen Message-ID: <8189f8aa-ce16-a80b-e755-3e3ddd850be7@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 08:50:57 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E5E5DDD2E979078397BDD103" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Genration of initial offer in trickle-ice-sip X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:50:45 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E5E5DDD2E979078397BDD103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Roman Can I take your comments to indicate that you have reviewed the trickle-ice-sip draft, and, with the subsequent draft updates from Thomas, you believe the draft is ready to progress at this point ? Thanks -- Flemming On 10/12/17 2:36 PM, Roman Shpount wrote: > Thomas, > > Draft ice-sip-sdp indicates that for the default destination/port for > RTCP component, the address and port are indicted using the "a=rtcp" > attribute defined in [RFC3605], if present; otherwise, the RTCP > component address is same as the address of the RTP component, and its > port is one greater than the port of the RTP component. In case of > trickle ICE, default RTCP destination does not fall into any of those > categories, since it is disabled. Furthermore, draft > ice-sip-sdp specifies that mismatch should occur if default RTCP > component does not match any of the provided candidates. You have > provided guidance for not initiating ice-mismatch for RTP component, > but not for the RTCP one. The simplest solution would be to specify > that a=rtcp attribute should not be present in the offer (it carries > no useful information) and should not cause ice-mismatch. > > Regards, > > _____________ > Roman Shpount > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:34 AM, Thomas Stach > wrote: > > Roman, > > can you point out the reason, why you want that? > > Regards > > Thomas > > > On 2017-10-11 18:46, Roman Shpount wrote: >> Thomas, >> >> The initial offer generation should include guidance regarding >> a=rtcp attribute. I would suggest saying that a=rtcp attribute >> MUST not be included in the initial offer. >> >> Regards, >> >> _____________ >> Roman Shpount > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mmusic mailing list > mmusic@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic --------------E5E5DDD2E979078397BDD103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Roman

Can I take your comments to indicate that you have reviewed the trickle-ice-sip draft, and, with the subsequent draft updates from Thomas, you believe the draft is ready to progress at this point ?

Thanks

-- Flemming


On 10/12/17 2:36 PM, Roman Shpount wrote:
Thomas,

Draft ice-sip-sdp indicates that for the default destination/port for RTCP component, the address and port are indicted using the "a=rtcp" attribute defined in [RFC3605], if present; otherwise, the RTCP component address is same as the address of the RTP component, and its port is one greater than the port of the RTP component. In case of trickle ICE, default RTCP destination does not fall into any of those categories, since it is disabled. Furthermore, draft ice-sip-sdp specifies that mismatch should occur if default RTCP component does not match any of the provided candidates. You have provided guidance for not initiating ice-mismatch for RTP component, but not for the RTCP one. The simplest solution would be to specify that a=rtcp attribute should not be present in the offer (it carries no useful information) and should not cause ice-mismatch.

Regards,

_____________
Roman Shpount

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:34 AM, Thomas Stach <thomass.stach@gmail.com> wrote:

Roman,

can you point out the reason, why you want that?

Regards

Thomas

On 2017-10-11 18:46, Roman Shpount wrote:
Thomas,

The initial offer generation should include guidance regarding a=rtcp attribute. I would suggest saying that a=rtcp attribute MUST not be included in the initial offer.

Regards,

_____________
Roman Shpount




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--------------E5E5DDD2E979078397BDD103-- From nobody Mon Oct 16 18:18:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BAF1321DC; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 18:18:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t0PrKvQ6PSWM; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 18:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28D66127005; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 18:18:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=486; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1508203113; x=1509412713; h=to:cc:from:subject:message-id:date:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; bh=mhVhMZWRPy68Nyzd3aqfEoLA4dok9J5hF5+oCkThgUQ=; b=Kl61pvdBWHbycwF7bMYRFoxtr6i2PHDclXhGe8S44mJMqX32rUWl0UzD 7kF9VMt3KmZnlkHpOyLkSUygPIJs9ZPzECw5NXHJ6Y1d1yT4cChuEBfYe WtnZxomM4Cl4L8oK2byB9TiYp5PbedoM9b7Q5yOGtjEsrBKzTdhABst0T U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CmAQC9WeVZ/5RdJa1cGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg19kbieDeplWmjkKI4UYhFxCFQECAQEBAQEBAWsohUcPAQVBNQI?= =?us-ascii?q?mAl8NCAEBigwNEKpRgieLQAEBAQEBAQQBAQEBAQEdBYEOgh+CB4FRgWorixeCY?= =?us-ascii?q?QEEoUiUa4F7GYV2g1qFZ4FLlW+BOTUigVlVJRVJgmSEeyQ2AYsbAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,389,1503360000"; d="scan'208";a="18027533" Received: from rcdn-core-12.cisco.com ([173.37.93.148]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 17 Oct 2017 01:18:32 +0000 Received: from [10.118.10.19] (rtp-fandreas-2-8812.cisco.com [10.118.10.19]) by rcdn-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v9H1IVjA008967; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 01:18:32 GMT To: mmusic Cc: "draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp@ietf.org" From: Flemming Andreasen Message-ID: <333cd319-823e-f77f-d997-9ba99d592a09@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 21:18:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [MMUSIC] WGLC on draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-14 X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 01:18:34 -0000 Greetings MMUSIC This is to announce a 2 week WGLC on the draft:     https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-14.txt as Proposed Standard. Please review and provide any comments you may have on the document by Monday, October 30, 2017. Comments should be sent to the document authors and the MMUSIC WG list. If you review the document but do not have any comments, please send a note to that effect as well. Thanks -- Flemming (MMUSIC co-chair) From nobody Tue Oct 17 05:40:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C4D1320D9; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 05:40:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n77g8kelq3VU; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 05:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE8BD1270AB; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 05:40:22 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-ef1ff70000001b7f-67-59e5fa356b43 Received: from ESESSHC022.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.84]) by sesbmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id AE.30.07039.53AF5E95; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:40:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB109.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.191]) by ESESSHC022.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0352.000; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:40:13 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Flemming Andreasen , mmusic CC: "draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [MMUSIC] WGLC on draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-14 - ICE mismatch Thread-Index: AQHTR0UUZQzfEhICf0W71mC4BHucVA== Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:40:13 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.7.7.170905 x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.147] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <436406DA1CA1514A9881360E836BD956@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupkkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGbE9RNf019NIg45uIYuuTwcZLd5f0LWY uvwxiwOzx5TfG1k9liz5yRTAFMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CV8fz9FZaCfewVc058YWpgnMTWxcjB ISFgInGwua6LkYtDSOAIo8THb2eZIJwljBJzdt5lBSliE7CQ6P6n3cXIySEi4CpxZOFdJpAw s0C4xM2FSiBhYQFficvPj7NAlARIXDvYwQRh60n8e/KcHcRmEVCV+LdrOlgNr4C1ROPi+2A1 jAJiEt9PrQGzmQXEJW49mQ9mSwgISCzZc54ZwhaVePn4HyuILQo0c8OJ2+wQ5ytJTNuaBtGq J3Fj6hQ2CNtaYsaOmSwQtrbEsoWvmSHWCkqcnPmEZQKj6Cwk22YhaZ+FpH0WkvZZSNoXMLKu YhQtTi1Oyk03MtJLLcpMLi7Oz9PLSy3ZxAiMoINbfhvsYHz53PEQowAHoxIPb9fNp5FCrIll xZW5hxglOJiVRHjbvgKFeFMSK6tSi/Lji0pzUosPMUpzsCiJ8zruuxAhJJCeWJKanZpakFoE k2Xi4JRqYGy+eOa4jGjvg/0pj58kzj5YG3uU9S3Dla2GHoFpM8Wj+sSely7sd1r6REj/6+L3 gm/Vr12X9dn9Q2jZ8UMlLMdWTV3fI+r+beoFnt+r2BYJb5l8e9Wf1JlpUXKTPM4JWu1/lPxK z9S340PNtMg/tbGr7nl+DNPcON1IQ27Z1U2LDJIT99U3TZZWYinOSDTUYi4qTgQAAwJzPJwC AAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] WGLC on draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-14 - ICE mismatch X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:40:28 -0000 Hi, In 5245bis, I have suggested to rename the =B3Verifying ICE support=B2 sect= ion to =B3ICE mismatch=B2. I suggest to make a similar change in draft-ice-sdp. Regards, Christer On 17/10/17 04:18, "mmusic on behalf of Flemming Andreasen" wrote: >Greetings MMUSIC > >This is to announce a 2 week WGLC on the draft: > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-14.txt > >as Proposed Standard. Please review and provide any comments you may >have on the document by Monday, October 30, 2017. Comments should be >sent to the document authors and the MMUSIC WG list. 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/pre>

hen update the
      mapping tables to include an entry that maps the SSRC of that RTP
      stream to the a&#128;&#156;m=3Da&#128;&#156; line for=
 that MID.

a payload type included on the matching
      a&#128;&#156;m=3Da&#128;&#156; line.  If so, associat=
e the RTP
      stream with that a&#128;&#156;m=3Da&#128;&#156; line.=


--94eb2c12370eccb783055be6b2ae-- From nobody Fri Oct 20 04:25:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D51133091 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 04:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Xs-uti0svmO for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 04:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haggis.mythic-beasts.com (haggis.mythic-beasts.com [IPv6:2a00:1098:0:86:1000:0:2:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEF8E133083 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 04:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.132.218.124] (port=11136 helo=[172.20.10.4]) by haggis.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e5VQK-00034a-Mc; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:25:09 +0100 From: Colin Perkins Message-Id: <22040CF2-AABB-4720-93C7-E06DC8BDE5AB@csperkins.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BBF2BDB7-AF68-4C10-870E-B6D1EB34C52A" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:24:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: Cc: mmusic WG , Christer Holmberg To: Bernard Aboba References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 14 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE-39: Typos in Section 10.2 X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 11:25:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BBF2BDB7-AF68-4C10-870E-B6D1EB34C52A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I submitted a pull request some time ago to fix these: = https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-sdp-bundle/pull/36 = Colin > On 19 Oct 2017, at 14:54, Bernard Aboba = wrote: >=20 > BUNDLE draft 39 introduced typos into Section 10.2. The (bad) changes = are visible in the diff:=20 > = https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?difftype=3D--hwdiff&url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mmusi= c-sdp-bundle-negotiation-39.txt = >=20 > Examples:=20 >=20 > If the MID associated with the RTP stream is not in the table > mapping MID to a€œm=3Da€œ line,=20 >=20 > hen update the > mapping tables to include an entry that maps the SSRC of that = RTP > stream to the a€œm=3Da€œ line for that MID. >=20 > a payload type included on the matching > a€œm=3Da€œ line. If so, associate the RTP > stream with that a€œm=3Da€œ line. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mmusic mailing list > mmusic@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic --=20 Colin Perkins https://csperkins.org/ --Apple-Mail=_BBF2BDB7-AF68-4C10-870E-B6D1EB34C52A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I submitted a pull request some time ago to fix = these: https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-sdp-bundle/pull/36

Colin



On 19 Oct 2017, at 14:54, Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com> wrote:

BUNDLE draft 39 introduced typos into Section 10.2.  The = (bad) changes are visible in the diff: 
https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?difftype=3D--hwdiff&url2=3Dd= raft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-bundle-negotiation-39.txt

Examples: 

      If the MID associated with the RTP stream is =
not in the table
      mapping MID to a&#128;&#156;m=3Da&#128;&#156; =
line, 

hen =
update the
      mapping tables to include an entry that maps the SSRC of that RTP
      stream to the a&#128;&#156;m=3Da&#128;&#156; line =
for that MID.

a payload =
type included on the matching
      a&#128;&#156;m=3Da&#128;&#156; line.  If so, =
associate the RTP
      stream with that a&#128;&#156;m=3Da&#128;&#156; =
line.


_______________________________________________
mmusic = mailing list
mmusic@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic



-- 
Colin Perkins
https://csperkins.org/




= --Apple-Mail=_BBF2BDB7-AF68-4C10-870E-B6D1EB34C52A-- From nobody Fri Oct 20 17:26:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietf.org Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72011344B2; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: ben@nostrum.com, mmusic@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150854545687.20809.3538302962676025240.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [MMUSIC] mmusic - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 00:24:17 -0000 Dear Flemming Andreasen, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. mmusic Session 1 (1:00:00) Thursday, Afternoon Session I 1330-1530 Room Name: VIP A size: 100 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Flemming Andreasen Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 40 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: quic perc tls ice httpbis rtcweb avtcore sipcore dispatch payload core dots sipbrandy Second Priority: clue xrblock rmcat stir tram sfc regext People who must be present: Ben Campbell Flemming Andreasen Bo Burman Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Oct 27 12:19:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mmusic@ietf.org Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E44137E0B; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Rescorla To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp@ietf.org, mmusic-chairs@ietf.org, fandreas@cisco.com, mmusic@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150913194052.22105.3428580101310243349.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 12:19:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [MMUSIC] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-31: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:19:00 -0000 Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-31: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- S 5.1. media session immediately (see [RFC8122]). Note that it is permissible to wait until the other side's fingerprint(s) has been received before establishing the connection; however, this may have undesirable latency effects. I agree that it's permissible, but why would you do this? This does not seem like helpful guidance. S 10. Please do something about the "NEW" constructions. I literally had to pull these into ediff to know what had changed. That's not useful to people. I'm not a fan of this construction in general, but at minimum you need to explain what has changed. S 9. Regardless of the previous existence of a DTLS association, the SDP 'setup' attribute MUST be included according to the rules defined in [RFC4145] and if ICE is used, ICE restart MUST be initiated. What is the rationale for this rule? 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[209.85.192.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l71sm18758621pfj.11.2017.10.27.12.31.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 27 Oct 2017 12:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-f182.google.com with SMTP id n14so5609572pfh.8; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 12:31:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.98.201.207 with SMTP id l76mr1398197pfk.337.1509132700891; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 12:31:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.128.131 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 12:31:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <150913194052.22105.3428580101310243349.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <150913194052.22105.3428580101310243349.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Roman Shpount Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 15:31:40 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Eric Rescorla Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp@ietf.org, mmusic-chairs@ietf.org, lemming Andreasen , "mmusic@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1887888e41f9055c8c5600" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-31: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:31:44 -0000 --94eb2c1887888e41f9055c8c5600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Eric, I wanted to address one of your comments: On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > S 9. > Regardless of the > previous existence of a DTLS association, the SDP 'setup' attribute > MUST be included according to the rules defined in [RFC4145] and if > ICE is used, ICE restart MUST be initiated. > > What is the rationale for this rule? > This is informational and simply restates the rule from https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-13#section-8.5 , which says: In particular, if an agent receives a mid-dialog re-INVITE that contains no offer, it MUST restart ICE for each media stream and go through the process of gathering new candidates. Regards, _____________ Roman Shpount --94eb2c1887888e41f9055c8c5600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Eric,

I wanted to address one of your c= omments:

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 3:19 P= M, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:

S 9.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Regardless of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0previous existence of a DTLS association, the SDP 'setup&#= 39; attribute
=C2=A0 =C2=A0MUST be included according to the rules defined in [RFC4145] a= nd if
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ICE is used, ICE restart MUST be initiated.

What is the rationale for this rule?

Th= is is informational and simply restates the rule from=C2=A0https:= //tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-13#section-8.5 , wh= ich says:

In particular, if an agent receives a mid-dialog re-INVITE t= hat contains no offer, it MUST restart ICE for each media stream and go thr= ough the process of gathering new candidates.

Regards,
_____=
________
Roman Shpount=C2=A0
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It would be useful if you noted that it restated the rule<= /div>

On Fri, Oct = 27, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> wrot= e:
Eric,

<= div>I wanted to address one of your comments:

=
On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 3:19 PM= , Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:

S 9.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Regardless of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0previous existence of a DTLS association, the SDP 'setup&#= 39; attribute
=C2=A0 =C2=A0MUST be included according to the rules defined in [RFC4145] a= nd if
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ICE is used, ICE restart MUST be initiated.

What is the rationale for this rule?

=
This is informational and simply restates the rule from=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-ice= -sip-sdp-13#section-8.5 , which says:

In particular, if an ag= ent receives a mid-dialog re-INVITE that contains no offer, it MUST restart= ICE for each media stream and go through the process of gathering new cand= idates.

Regards,
___=
__________
Roman Shpount=
=C2=A0

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This is needed in order to support third party call control, as described in [I-D.ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp]. The second sentence is supposed to indicate that we are restating the rule from [I-D.ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp]. Please let us know if this is unclear or needs to be reworded. Regards, _____________ Roman Shpount On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > It would be useful if you noted that it restated the rule > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Roman Shpount wrote: > >> Eric, >> >> I wanted to address one of your comments: >> >> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: >> >>> >>> S 9. >>> Regardless of the >>> previous existence of a DTLS association, the SDP 'setup' attribute >>> MUST be included according to the rules defined in [RFC4145] and if >>> ICE is used, ICE restart MUST be initiated. >>> >>> What is the rationale for this rule? >>> >> >> This is informational and simply restates the rule from >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp-13#section-8.5 >> , which says: >> >> In particular, if an agent receives a mid-dialog re-INVITE that contains >> no offer, it MUST restart ICE for each media stream and go through the >> process of gathering new candidates. >> >> >> Regards, >> _____________ >> Roman Shpount >> >> > --f403043be4b4c22219055c8cb569 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Eric,

I thought this already does.Co= mplete text from this paragarpah is:

Regardless of the previou= s existence of a DTLS association, the SDP 'setup' attribute MUST b= e included according to the rules defined in [RFC4145] and if ICE is used, = ICE restart MUST be initiated.=C2=A0 This is needed in order to support thi= rd party call control, as described in [I-D.ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp].
=

The second sentence is supposed to indicate that we are restating the rul= e from [I-D.ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp].

<= /div>
Please let us know if this is unclear or ne= eds to be reworded.

Regards,
_____________
Roman Shpount

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Eric Rescor= la <= ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
It would be useful if you noted that it resta= ted the rule

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 a= t 12:31 PM, Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> wrote:
Eric,
I wanted to address one of your comments:

On Fr= i, Oct 27, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:

S 9.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Regardless of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0previous existence of a DTLS association, the SDP 'setup&#= 39; attribute
=C2=A0 =C2=A0MUST be included according to the rules defined in [RFC4145] a= nd if
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ICE is used, ICE restart MUST be initiated.

What is the rationale for this rule?

=
This is informational and simply restates the rule from=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-ice= -sip-sdp-13#section-8.5 , which says:

<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">
In particular, if= an agent receives a mid-dialog re-INVITE that contains no offer, it MUST r= estart ICE for each media stream and go through the process of gathering ne= w candidates.

Regards,
_____________Roman Shpount=C2=A0


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Sun, 29 Oct 2017 13:56:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.75.194 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 13:55:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B5C678289@ESESSMB109.ericsson.se> References: <150913194052.22105.3428580101310243349.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B5C678289@ESESSMB109.ericsson.se> From: Eric Rescorla Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 13:55:19 -0700 Message-ID: To: Christer Holmberg Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp@ietf.org" , "mmusic-chairs@ietf.org" , "fandreas@cisco.com" , "mmusic@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114edd48cbf6a0055cb5bfe4" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Eric Rescorla's No Objection on draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-31: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 20:56:03 -0000 --001a114edd48cbf6a0055cb5bfe4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yeah, that seems OK -Ekr On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Christer Holmberg < christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi, > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > S 5.1. > > media session immediately (see [RFC8122]). Note that it is > > permissible to wait until the other side's fingerprint(s) has been > > received before establishing the connection; however, this may have > > undesirable latency effects. > > > > I agree that it's permissible, but why would you do this? This does not > seem like helpful guidance. > > I suggest to remove the sentence. > > ----- > > > S 10. > > Please do something about the "NEW" constructions. I literally had to > pull these into ediff to know what > > had changed. That's not useful to people. I'm not a fan of this > construction in general, but at minimum you > > need to explain what has changed. > > Before the NEW text, there is a description of what has is changed. > > ---- > > > S 9. > > Regardless of the > > previous existence of a DTLS association, the SDP 'setup' attribute > > MUST be included according to the rules defined in [RFC4145] and if > > ICE is used, ICE restart MUST be initiated. > > > > What is the rationale for this rule? > > Based on the discussion you had with Roman, we suggest the following > modification to make the rationale clear: > > OLD: > > Regardless of the previous existence of a DTLS association, the SDP > 'setup' attribute MUST be included according to the rules defined in > [RFC4145] and if ICE is used, ICE restart MUST be initiated. This is > needed in order to support third party call control, as described in > [I-D.ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp]. > > NEW: > > Regardless of the previous existence of a DTLS association, the SDP > 'setup' attribute MUST be included according to the rules defined in > [RFC4145]. Furthermore, if ICE is used, according to the third party call > control considerations described in [I-D.ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp], ICE > restart MUST be initiated. > > ---- > > Regards, > > Christer > > --001a114edd48cbf6a0055cb5bfe4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, that seems OK

-Ekr

=

On Su= n, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmb= erg@ericsson.com> wrote:
Hi= ,

-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----
COMMENT:
-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----

> S 5.1.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0media session immediately (see [RFC8122]).=C2=A0 Note that= it is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0permissible to wait until the other side's fingerprint= (s) has been
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0received before establishing the connection; however, this= may have
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0undesirable latency effects.
>
> I agree that it's permissible, but why would you do this? This doe= s not seem like helpful guidance.

I suggest to remove the sentence.

-----

> S 10.
> Please do something about the "NEW" constructions. I literal= ly had to pull these into ediff to know what
> had changed. That's not useful to people. I'm not a fan of thi= s construction in general, but at minimum you
> need to explain what has changed.

Before the NEW text, there is a description of what has is changed.<= br>
----

> S 9.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Regardless of the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0previous existence of a DTLS association, the SDP 'set= up' attribute
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0MUST be included according to the rules defined in [RFC414= 5] and if
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0ICE is used, ICE restart MUST be initiated.
>
> What is the rationale for this rule?

Based on the discussion you had with Roman, we suggest the following= modification to make the rationale clear:

OLD:

Regardless of the previous existence of a DTLS association, the SDP 'se= tup' attribute MUST be included according to the rules defined in [RFC4= 145] and if ICE is used, ICE restart MUST be initiated.=C2=A0 This is neede= d in order to support third party call control, as described in [I-D.ietf-m= music-ice-sip-sdp].

NEW:

Regardless of the previous existence of a DTLS association, the SDP 'se= tup' attribute MUST be included according to the rules defined in [RFC4= 145]. Furthermore, if ICE is used, according to the third party call contro= l considerations described in [I-D.ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp], ICE restart MU= ST be initiated.

----

Regards,

Christer


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Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF701389E1; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 23:14:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: mmusic@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150934404920.3451.7647910202472605778@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 23:14:09 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-32.txt X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 06:14:09 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control WG of the IETF. Title : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Offer/Answer Considerations for Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS) and Transport Layer Security (TLS) Authors : Christer Holmberg Roman Shpount Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-32.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2017-10-29 Abstract: This document defines the Session Description Protocol (SDP) offer/ answer procedures for negotiating and establishing a Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS) association. The document also defines the criteria for when a new DTLS association must be established. The document updates RFC 5763 and RFC 7345, by replacing common SDP offer/answer procedures with a reference to this specification. This document defines a new SDP media-level attribute, 'tls-id'. This document also defines how the 'tls-id' attribute can be used for negotiating and establishing a Transport Layer Security (TLS) connection, in conjunction with the procedures in RFC 4145 and RFC 8122. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-32 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-32 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mmusic-dtls-sdp-32 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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