From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Oct 06 10:24:29 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ENWfd-000201-Gg; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:24:29 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ENWfZ-0001yo-0B for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:24:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA06955 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.81] ident=[U2FsdGVkX18U0JaDUpRVfGvKSEjaXs1IXiJRfayFLrY=]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENWod-0001zu-93 for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:33:49 -0400 Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5]) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1ENWfC-0006NC-ML; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:24:10 +0200 Received: from i72archimedes.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.71.83]) by irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtpsa id 1ENWfC-0005aR-0Z; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:24:02 +0200 Message-ID: <43453380.9090201@tm.uka.de> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:24:00 +0200 From: Christian Vogt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-DE; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Thunderbird/1.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.2.0 X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Jes=FAs_Bernardos_Cano?= References: <1123166941.21156.10.camel@acorde> In-Reply-To: <1123166941.21156.10.camel@acorde> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-Spam-Score: -14.0 (--------------) X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: bdc523f9a54890b8a30dd6fd53d5d024 Cc: MOBOPTS Subject: [Mobopts] Re: Comments and reference for section 6.19 of draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-01.txt X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0715935857==" Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0715935857== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig593C711BF35E5836BB6E6251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig593C711BF35E5836BB6E6251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Carlos. > I have one question about Section 6.19. It says: "It is relatively > straightforward to optimize bidirectional tunneling for moving > networks [39] by using a single home agent and a single tunnel > between the mobile router and that home agent". RFC3963 does not > specify any kind of RO (the use of the bidirectional tunnel is no > optimal), so I think you mean "It is relatively straightforward to > support network mobility [39] by using a single home agent and a > single bidirectional tunnel between the mobile router and that home > agent". Did I miss/missunderstand something? You are correct. I changed it. I also added references to RO solutions. I am not so sure whether draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-01.txt should get too deep into the problem space of mobile networks. This is not its scope. Given that the draft includes references to the RO problem statement as well as to proposed RO solution, interested readers may look up more detailed information in those documents. Thanks for the comments. - Christian -- Christian Vogt, Institute of Telematics, University of Karlsruhe www.tm.uka.de/~chvogt/pubkey/ Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano wrote: > Hi Christian, > > I have one question about Section 6.19. It says: "It is relatively > straightforward to optimize bidirectional tunneling for moving > networks [39] by using a single home agent and a single tunnel > between the mobile router and that home agent". RFC3963 does not > specify any kind of RO (the use of the bidirectional tunnel is no > optimal), so I think you mean "It is relatively straightforward to > support network mobility [39] by using a single home agent and a > single bidirectional tunnel between the mobile router and that home > agent". Did I miss/missunderstand something? > > I think that draft-bernardos-nemo-miron-00.txt could be referenced in > your draft when you describe the RO for NEMO consisting in the MR > performing the MIPv6 signalling on behalf of the nodes of the NEMO. > The approach described in the draft exactly consists on that. > > IMHO, some text could also be added about the NEMO-specific RO > problem of nesting (mobile networks that attach to another mobile > network). Do you think is appropriate? I think that could be also > useful to add a reference to > draft-ietf-nemo-ro-problem-statement-00.txt. What do you think? > > Kind Regards, > > Carlos J. > --------------enig593C711BF35E5836BB6E6251 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDRTOAwstEk8gl2rURAjb2AJ4r8xRSVsfazfrSvIDSRJBKZ6KQ8ACgw1OA p+vkfcoWf9NZxOvDUivLM8c= =TxIE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig593C711BF35E5836BB6E6251-- --===============0715935857== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts --===============0715935857==-- From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Oct 06 10:51:12 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ENX5U-0000xY-7N; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:51:12 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ENX5T-0000xT-AV for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:51:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA08444 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.81] ident=[U2FsdGVkX1/xp5G4VXpvXCSomZrt4VIzyHu1LJ6V0t0=]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENXEZ-0002yE-QE for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:00:36 -0400 Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5]) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtps id 1ENX5O-0007Gd-9R; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:51:09 +0200 Received: from i72archimedes.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.71.83]) by irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtpsa id 1ENX5N-0002ql-G5; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:51:05 +0200 Message-ID: <434539D5.5030906@tm.uka.de> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:51:01 +0200 From: Christian Vogt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-DE; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Thunderbird/1.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.2.0 X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fan Zhao Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Reviews on draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-01 References: <200507272152.j6RLq5lI020235@andrena.ucdavis.edu> <42EE4869.7020209@tm.uka.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-Spam-Score: -13.9 (-------------) X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: d2b46e3b2dfbff2088e0b72a54104985 Cc: Jari Arkko , mobopts@irtf.org X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1353289892==" Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1353289892== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig0F9CCC02FA2438B5939B06F3" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig0F9CCC02FA2438B5939B06F3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Fan. >>> 3. Security analysis does not distinguish between eavesdropper >>> and man_in_middle. There are situations where malicious node can >>> only eavesdrop rather than intercept the message, for example, in >>> the Internet exchange point, ISP router may not select a >>> malicious router as the next hop because of its policy but the >>> malicious router can still eavesdrop the data traffic. MIP6 >>> network is a little bit less secure than normal IPv6 network >>> because an eavesdropper can turn itself into a man in the middle. >>> This also brings out another topic: how to detect the attack >>> reliably and without interfering other optimization approaches. >> >> There is certainly a difference between an eavesdropper and a >> man-in-the-middle. Yet, I'm not quite sure that I fully understand >> the rest of what you are saying, in particular because your >> attacker sits in the MN's network. Are you aware of the >> IPsec-protected tunnel between the MN and its HA through which the >> Home Keygen Token will be brought to the MN? > > NO, actually I do not assume that the attacker resides in the MN's > network, instead the attacker could access either HA-CN path or MN-CN > path. Ah, I see. The security analysis was actually already describing the new thread of man-in-the-middle attacks by off-path impersonators. But I added some text to make it clearer that this threat is new when we introduce mobility. Thanks! - Christian -- Christian Vogt, Institute of Telematics, University of Karlsruhe www.tm.uka.de/~chvogt/pubkey/ Fan Zhao wrote: > Dear Christian, > > Thanks for your reply. > > On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Christian Vogt wrote: > > >> Hi Fan, >> >> thanks for your comments on >> draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-01.txt. There are some more >> outstanding modification that we have yet to do, so your comments >> will be considered for the 02 version. >> > > No problem. 01 version has addressed many issues I had with 00 > version and has been improved significantly since then. Thanks for > writing this draft, it has helped me a lot in understanding this > probelm. > > >> Below are some responses to your comments from my side. >> >>> 1. The paragraph at the end of page 19, �It should be mentioned >>> that �� is very similar with the next paragraph. Remove one? >> >> Ooops, thanks for catching this. Yes, one paragraph should be >> enough. ;-) >> >>> 2. Is it better to list section 7.6 �Future Research� as a >>> separate section, e.g. section 8? >> >> Actually, it could, yes. One of the objectives why this draft was >> written was to provide directions for future research. So the >> topic should be important enough to make it a dedicated section >> (unless people in the group feel otherwise). >> >>> 3. Security analysis does not distinguish between eavesdropper >>> and man_in_middle. There are situations where malicious node can >>> only eavesdrop rather than intercept the message, for example, in >>> the Internet exchange point, ISP router may not select a >>> malicious router as the next hop because of its policy but the >>> malicious router can still eavesdrop the data traffic. MIP6 >>> network is a little bit less secure than normal IPv6 network >>> because an eavesdropper can turn itself into a man in the middle. >>> This also brings out another topic: how to detect the attack >>> reliably and without interfering other optimization approaches. >> >> There is certainly a difference between an eavesdropper and a >> man-in-the-middle. Yet, I'm not quite sure that I fully understand >> the rest of what you are saying, in particular because your >> attacker sits in the MN's network. Are you aware of the >> IPsec-protected tunnel between the MN and its HA through which the >> Home Keygen Token will be brought to the MN? > > NO, actually I do not assume that the attacker resides in the MN's > network, instead the attacker could access either HA-CN path or MN-CN > path. > > >>> 4. Hash chain could be an alternative to home address test (or in >>> other words, authentication of identity). It should be listed in >>> section 6, Enhancements Toolbox. >> >> See below. >> >>> 5. draft-zhao-mobopts-rr-ext-00 discusses about the security and >>> performance improvement. It should be added to the reference >>> section. >> >> Your draft was somewhere in my stack anyway. It's on top of it, >> now. ;-) >> >> Your draft also talks about hash chains, which is good. Jari and I >> also did something in that direction in >> draft-arkko-mipv6-binding-lifetime-extension-00.txt. > > Yes, I have read this too. That is an interesting idea that is > worthwhile being explored more. > > BTW, I could not attend this IETF due to the time conflict. I really > appreciate your comments on my draft in the mailing list. Thanks. > > Sincerely, fan > > >> Regards, - Christian >> >> -- Christian Vogt, Institute of Telematics, University of Karlsruhe >> www.tm.uka.de/~chvogt/pubkey/ --------------enig0F9CCC02FA2438B5939B06F3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDRTnYwstEk8gl2rURAsHgAKCAOBySk0CxKT2TFswkhZw65tbUOACgn2Rl Mv/X9sz0FS6blStKnXwOxeM= =FKuG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig0F9CCC02FA2438B5939B06F3-- --===============1353289892== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts --===============1353289892==-- From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Oct 06 14:35:25 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ENaaT-0001lG-BO; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:35:25 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ENaaR-0001l5-RG for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:35:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA21517 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.uc3m.es ([163.117.136.123]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENajX-0004nQ-78 for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:44:48 -0400 Received: from smtp03.uc3m.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A8082022; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:35:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.14] (wlan-ap.netlab.nec.de [195.37.70.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp03.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A80A8204A; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:35:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Bernardos Cano To: Christian Vogt In-Reply-To: <43453380.9090201@tm.uka.de> References: <1123166941.21156.10.camel@acorde> <43453380.9090201@tm.uka.de> Organization: UC3M Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:35:37 +0200 Message-Id: <1128623737.6452.11.camel@acorde> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: a2c12dacc0736f14d6b540e805505a86 Cc: MOBOPTS Subject: [Mobopts] Re: Comments and reference for section 6.19 of draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-01.txt X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1989177428==" Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org --===============1989177428== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vEkvh+MEIvTLM8pl3grb" --=-vEkvh+MEIvTLM8pl3grb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Christian, El jue, 06-10-2005 a las 16:24 +0200, Christian Vogt escribi=F3: > Hi Carlos. >=20 > > I have one question about Section 6.19. It says: "It is relatively > > straightforward to optimize bidirectional tunneling for moving > > networks [39] by using a single home agent and a single tunnel > > between the mobile router and that home agent". RFC3963 does not > > specify any kind of RO (the use of the bidirectional tunnel is no > > optimal), so I think you mean "It is relatively straightforward to > > support network mobility [39] by using a single home agent and a > > single bidirectional tunnel between the mobile router and that home > > agent". Did I miss/missunderstand something? >=20 > You are correct. I changed it. >=20 > I also added references to RO solutions. >=20 > I am not so sure whether draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-01.txt > should get too deep into the problem space of mobile networks. This is > not its scope. Given that the draft includes references to the RO > problem statement as well as to proposed RO solution, interested readers > may look up more detailed information in those documents. OK, completely agree. Kind Regards, Carlos J. >=20 > Thanks for the comments. >=20 > - Christian >=20 > -- > Christian Vogt, Institute of Telematics, University of Karlsruhe > www.tm.uka.de/~chvogt/pubkey/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano wrote: > > Hi Christian, > > > > I have one question about Section 6.19. It says: "It is relatively > > straightforward to optimize bidirectional tunneling for moving > > networks [39] by using a single home agent and a single tunnel > > between the mobile router and that home agent". RFC3963 does not > > specify any kind of RO (the use of the bidirectional tunnel is no > > optimal), so I think you mean "It is relatively straightforward to > > support network mobility [39] by using a single home agent and a > > single bidirectional tunnel between the mobile router and that home > > agent". Did I miss/missunderstand something? > > > > I think that draft-bernardos-nemo-miron-00.txt could be referenced in > > your draft when you describe the RO for NEMO consisting in the MR > > performing the MIPv6 signalling on behalf of the nodes of the NEMO. > > The approach described in the draft exactly consists on that. > > > > IMHO, some text could also be added about the NEMO-specific RO > > problem of nesting (mobile networks that attach to another mobile > > network). Do you think is appropriate? I think that could be also > > useful to add a reference to > > draft-ietf-nemo-ro-problem-statement-00.txt. What do you think? > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Carlos J. > > --=20 Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano http://www.netcoms.net GPG FP: BFF1 7C7A 6AA7 BCE3 885A 4DF1 ED0C 5952 BF89 B974 --=-vEkvh+MEIvTLM8pl3grb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDRW557QxZUr+JuXQRAmvnAKC6WytSW12bQwfNd07aZee9Gk+IeQCeMWGN EKwm4r1OZBy8uMPSWrq481w= =d8ya -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vEkvh+MEIvTLM8pl3grb-- --===============1989177428== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts --===============1989177428==-- From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Sat Oct 08 17:29:50 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EOMGM-0004CY-9A; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:29:50 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EOMGK-0004CT-II for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:29:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA14511 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vidi.ucdavis.edu ([169.237.105.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EOMPt-0002oj-Lf for mobopts@irtf.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:39:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vidi.ucdavis.edu (8.13.3/8.13.1/it-std-5.2.0) with ESMTP id j98LThFo009970; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 14:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 14:29:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Fan Zhao X-X-Sender: fanzhao@vidi.ucdavis.edu To: Christian Vogt Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Reviews on draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-01 In-Reply-To: <434539D5.5030906@tm.uka.de> Message-ID: References: <200507272152.j6RLq5lI020235@andrena.ucdavis.edu> <42EE4869.7020209@tm.uka.de> <434539D5.5030906@tm.uka.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 0ff9c467ad7f19c2a6d058acd7faaec8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: Jari Arkko , mobopts@irtf.org X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hello Christian, Looks good to me. Thanks for updating. Sincerely, fan On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Christian Vogt wrote: > Hi Fan. > > >>> 3. Security analysis does not distinguish between eavesdropper > >>> and man_in_middle. There are situations where malicious node can > >>> only eavesdrop rather than intercept the message, for example, in > >>> the Internet exchange point, ISP router may not select a > >>> malicious router as the next hop because of its policy but the > >>> malicious router can still eavesdrop the data traffic. MIP6 > >>> network is a little bit less secure than normal IPv6 network > >>> because an eavesdropper can turn itself into a man in the middle. > >>> This also brings out another topic: how to detect the attack > >>> reliably and without interfering other optimization approaches. > >> > >> There is certainly a difference between an eavesdropper and a > >> man-in-the-middle. Yet, I'm not quite sure that I fully understand > >> the rest of what you are saying, in particular because your > >> attacker sits in the MN's network. Are you aware of the > >> IPsec-protected tunnel between the MN and its HA through which the > >> Home Keygen Token will be brought to the MN? > > > > NO, actually I do not assume that the attacker resides in the MN's > > network, instead the attacker could access either HA-CN path or MN-CN > > path. > > Ah, I see. The security analysis was actually already describing the > new thread of man-in-the-middle attacks by off-path impersonators. But > I added some text to make it clearer that this threat is new when we > introduce mobility. Thanks! > > - Christian > > -- > Christian Vogt, Institute of Telematics, University of Karlsruhe > www.tm.uka.de/~chvogt/pubkey/ > > > > Fan Zhao wrote: > > Dear Christian, > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Christian Vogt wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Fan, > >> > >> thanks for your comments on > >> draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-01.txt. There are some more > >> outstanding modification that we have yet to do, so your comments > >> will be considered for the 02 version. > >> > > > > No problem. 01 version has addressed many issues I had with 00 > > version and has been improved significantly since then. Thanks for > > writing this draft, it has helped me a lot in understanding this > > probelm. > > > > > >> Below are some responses to your comments from my side. > >> > >>> 1. The paragraph at the end of page 19, =EF=BF=BDIt should be mention= ed > >>> that =EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD is very similar with the next paragraph. Remo= ve one? > >> > >> Ooops, thanks for catching this. Yes, one paragraph should be > >> enough. ;-) > >> > >>> 2. Is it better to list section 7.6 =EF=BF=BDFuture Research=EF=BF=BD= as a > >>> separate section, e.g. section 8? > >> > >> Actually, it could, yes. One of the objectives why this draft was > >> written was to provide directions for future research. So the > >> topic should be important enough to make it a dedicated section > >> (unless people in the group feel otherwise). > >> > >>> 3. Security analysis does not distinguish between eavesdropper > >>> and man_in_middle. There are situations where malicious node can > >>> only eavesdrop rather than intercept the message, for example, in > >>> the Internet exchange point, ISP router may not select a > >>> malicious router as the next hop because of its policy but the > >>> malicious router can still eavesdrop the data traffic. MIP6 > >>> network is a little bit less secure than normal IPv6 network > >>> because an eavesdropper can turn itself into a man in the middle. > >>> This also brings out another topic: how to detect the attack > >>> reliably and without interfering other optimization approaches. > >> > >> There is certainly a difference between an eavesdropper and a > >> man-in-the-middle. Yet, I'm not quite sure that I fully understand > >> the rest of what you are saying, in particular because your > >> attacker sits in the MN's network. Are you aware of the > >> IPsec-protected tunnel between the MN and its HA through which the > >> Home Keygen Token will be brought to the MN? > > > > NO, actually I do not assume that the attacker resides in the MN's > > network, instead the attacker could access either HA-CN path or MN-CN > > path. > > > > > >>> 4. Hash chain could be an alternative to home address test (or in > >>> other words, authentication of identity). It should be listed in > >>> section 6, Enhancements Toolbox. > >> > >> See below. > >> > >>> 5. draft-zhao-mobopts-rr-ext-00 discusses about the security and > >>> performance improvement. It should be added to the reference > >>> section. > >> > >> Your draft was somewhere in my stack anyway. It's on top of it, > >> now. ;-) > >> > >> Your draft also talks about hash chains, which is good. Jari and I > >> also did something in that direction in > >> draft-arkko-mipv6-binding-lifetime-extension-00.txt. > > > > Yes, I have read this too. That is an interesting idea that is > > worthwhile being explored more. > > > > BTW, I could not attend this IETF due to the time conflict. I really > > appreciate your comments on my draft in the mailing list. Thanks. > > > > Sincerely, fan > > > > > >> Regards, - Christian > >> > >> -- Christian Vogt, Institute of Telematics, University of Karlsruhe > >> www.tm.uka.de/~chvogt/pubkey/ > > > _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Sat Oct 08 18:21:03 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EON3v-0006tH-Qu; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:21:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EON3u-0006tC-73 for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:21:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA17472 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.81] ident=[U2FsdGVkX19iIbhD2PgkbZGHQogfx/FcQqjAg95YQqQ=]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EONDR-0003yo-4J for mobopts@irtf.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:30:56 -0400 Received: from i72archimedes.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.71.83]) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtpsa id 1EON3a-00081U-Cs; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:20:48 +0200 Message-ID: <43484639.2000308@tm.uka.de> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:20:41 +0200 From: Christian Vogt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-DE; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050923 Thunderbird/1.0.7 Mnenhy/0.7.2.0 X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MOBOPTS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -67.5 (---------------------------------------------------) X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jari Arkko , Rajeev Koodli , William Arbaugh Subject: [Mobopts] Change Log for draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-03.txt X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi folks, two updates have recently been made to the Route Optimization Enhancements document, which now has version 03. Here is a list of the major changes that we made: (1) FMIPv6, HMIPv6, delegation, and processing improvements have been removed from the document according to rough consensus of the RG, as those optimizations are rather unrelated to route optimization. (2) "Future Research" is now a stand-alone section. It used to be part of the "Analysis". (3) Section "Mobility-Related Security Threats" now defines the various attack types in a shorter, more concise manner. It refers to draft-ietf-mip6-ro-sec-03.txt for further information. (4) Section "Registration Procedure" has been compressed and refers to RFC 3775 for the details. (5) Section "Goals and Assumptions" has been cut out. We rewrote the considerations on PKIs in form of "A Note on Public Key Infrastructures" within the "Introduction". The purpose of this note is to clarify the position that the document takes on this topic, similar to that of the existing "Note on Source Address Filtering". (6) We rewrote section "Introduction". It, too, is shorter now, modulo the new sub-section on PKIs mentioned above. (7) The existing "Abstract" was replaced with a single-sentence one. The new document version will appear shortly on the IETF I-D repository. It is already available at http://doc.tm.uka.de/2005/draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-03.txt Kind regards, - Christian -- Christian Vogt, Institute of Telematics, University of Karlsruhe www.tm.uka.de/~chvogt/pubkey/ _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Oct 12 16:51:46 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EPnZi-0003e2-Bv; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:51:46 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EPnZg-0003dx-Pp for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:51:44 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA04732 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPnk1-0004o9-Ef for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:02:28 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id j9CKJ1909973 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:19:01 -0700 X-mProtect: <200510122019> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from mvdhcp14194.americas.nokia.com (172.18.141.94, claiming to be "[127.0.0.1]") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpda3rArW; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:19:00 PDT Message-ID: <434D7747.1010405@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:51:19 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mobopts@irtf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Mobopts] Meeting in Vancouver X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hello folks, I have asked for a 2.5 hour slot. Let's hope we will get it. Here is what I have in mind for the agenda. This is not the final agenda itself. I would like to have longer discussion on some selected topics of interest to the RG. Based on the previous meeting, here is how I would like to schedule the time (in no particular priority order). 1. Transporting link characteristics as a function of mobility a) succint problem description b) why this is a problem of interest c) architectural implications 2. Network-controlled handovers a) succint problem description b) why this is a problem of interest c) precedence, tussle (between provider boundaries), limitations etc. 3. Mobile IPv6 Location Privacy a) succint problem description b) solution alternatives 4. Pre-Authentication Framework 5. Multicast and Mobility I would like to have a person lead the discussion for each item. I have contacted folks working on the topics to do that. (If those folks are unable to attend, they should let me know asap). We should spend the time to discuss important problems and implications of perceived solutions. Apart from these, I hope we can issue a last call for reviewing the RO Enhancements draft. We also need to look into the interest in Securing Proxy Neighbor Discovery work. Regards, -Rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Sun Oct 16 13:02:48 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ERBuK-0004Wz-Dq; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:02:48 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ERBuI-0004Wu-F9 for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:02:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10737 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:02:40 -0400 (EDT) From: jouni.korhonen@teliasonera.com Received: from sehan001bb.han.telia.se ([131.115.18.152]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERC5R-0007wR-Lk for mobopts@irtf.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:14:18 -0400 Received: from SEHAN021MB.tcad.telia.se ([131.115.18.160]) by sehan001bb.han.telia.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:02:31 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7232.53 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:02:30 +0200 Message-ID: <5D25AEFB114D034FBDC8B156FCA78E031ED0C0@SEHAN021MB.tcad.telia.se> Thread-Topic: New ID: Link Characteristic Information for IP Mobility Problem Statement Thread-Index: AcXSc2S07And2QMlTICZykSN9PcO9A== To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2005 17:02:31.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[65A45E30:01C5D273] X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Mobopts] New ID: Link Characteristic Information for IP Mobility Problem Statement X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi All, Based on the discussions and the feedback in Paris IRTF Mobopts meeting we submitted a problem statement draft on Link Characteristic Information for IP Mobility. The draft should soon be available in I-D directory but meanwhile you can download it from the following URL: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jikorhon/draft-korhonen-mobopts-link-charact eristics-ps-00.txt Abstract This document discusses the problems related to the link characteristic information delivery from the mobile node to other relevant network nodes. The purpose of this document is to set the scope and goals for possible future work on generic link characteristic information delivery for optimizing IP mobility performance. We would appreciate your comments and suggestions on the draft. Cheers, Jouni _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Sun Oct 16 13:25:24 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ERCGC-0002nI-BW; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:25:24 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ERCGA-0002nA-BA for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:25:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA11485 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de ([141.45.5.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERCRI-0008O1-RO for mobopts@irtf.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:36:55 -0400 Received: from e178170153.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.170.153] helo=[192.168.178.23]) by mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1ERCG6-0009Dv-MY for mobopts@irtf.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:25:18 +0200 Message-ID: <43528D5F.9070803@fhtw-berlin.de> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:26:55 +0200 From: Thomas Schmidt User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobopts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Mobopts] New ID: Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: schmidt@fhtw-berlin.de List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi all, according to our discussions in Paris we submitted a problem statement draft on extending Multicast to Mobility. It should be in the ID directory soon and can immediatly be downloaded under: http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt/papers/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-00.txt Details: Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement Abstract In this document we discuss mobility extensions to current IP layer multicast solutions. Problems arising from mobile group communication in general, in the case of multicast listener mobility and for mobile Any Source Multicast as well as Source Specific Multicast senders are documented subsequently. The principal approaches to multicast mobility are introduced in brief. Looking forward to your comments and discussions! See you in Vancouver, thomas _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Mon Oct 17 04:21:13 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ERQF7-0000BL-20; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:21:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ERQF5-00009q-SW for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:21:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA24325 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from s2.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de ([134.76.81.12]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERQQN-0004ys-6Y for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:32:52 -0400 Received: from [172.22.0.51] (tmg51.tmg.loc [::ffff:172.22.0.51]) (AUTH: LOGIN fu, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by s2.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de with esmtp; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:21:08 +0200 id 0000FED7.43535EF4.0000312B Message-ID: <43535EFE.1070409@cs.uni-goettingen.de> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:21:18 +0200 From: Xiaoming Fu User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobopts@irtf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: John Loughney Subject: [Mobopts] new draft "CXTP using GIST" X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi all, We have submitted a new Internet draft on Context Transfer using GIST, with the following abstract: Abstract: The CXTP specification uses SCTP as transport for CXTP message exchanges between a mobile node's new and previous access routers. It also relies on a pre-established IPsec ESP transport mode tunnel. This document presents an alternative approach based on the NSIS GIST protocol, which offers a more flexible transport and richer security properties for context transfer between different entities within the network that support forwarding of a mobile node's IP traffic. Before it appears in IETF I-D repository, you can find it in the following URL: http://user.cs.uni-goettingen.de/~fu/temp/cxtpgist/draft-fu-cxtp-gist-00.txt http://user.cs.uni-goettingen.de/~fu/temp/cxtpgist/draft-fu-cxtp-gist-00.html We would very appreciate it if you could review and comment on the draft. Thanks, Xiaoming and John _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Mon Oct 17 12:23:11 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ERXlX-00084J-1O; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:23:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ERXlV-00083Z-3M for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:23:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22427 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERXwq-0002w0-IW for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:34:53 -0400 Message-ID: <03ab01c5d337$08499830$626015ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: , References: <5D25AEFB114D034FBDC8B156FCA78E031ED0C0@SEHAN021MB.tcad.telia.se> Subject: Re: [Mobopts] New ID: Link Characteristic Information for IP MobilityProblem Statement Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:22:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Jouni, This discussion has moved to MIPSHOP. jak ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: [Mobopts] New ID: Link Characteristic Information for IP MobilityProblem Statement Hi All, Based on the discussions and the feedback in Paris IRTF Mobopts meeting we submitted a problem statement draft on Link Characteristic Information for IP Mobility. The draft should soon be available in I-D directory but meanwhile you can download it from the following URL: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jikorhon/draft-korhonen-mobopts-link-charact eristics-ps-00.txt Abstract This document discusses the problems related to the link characteristic information delivery from the mobile node to other relevant network nodes. The purpose of this document is to set the scope and goals for possible future work on generic link characteristic information delivery for optimizing IP mobility performance. We would appreciate your comments and suggestions on the draft. Cheers, Jouni _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Mon Oct 17 13:22:19 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ERYgl-0006nD-8y; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:22:19 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ERYge-0006ld-Po for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:22:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA25746 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERYry-0004gu-OF for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:33:58 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id j9HGn5t03810; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:49:05 -0700 X-mProtect: <200510171649> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from mvdhcp14153.americas.nokia.com (172.18.141.53, claiming to be "[127.0.0.1]") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdk5YaGy; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:49:03 PDT Message-ID: <4353DD9D.1070404@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:21:33 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Kempf Subject: Re: [Mobopts] New ID: Link Characteristic Information for IP MobilityProblem Statement References: <5D25AEFB114D034FBDC8B156FCA78E031ED0C0@SEHAN021MB.tcad.telia.se> <03ab01c5d337$08499830$626015ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> In-Reply-To: <03ab01c5d337$08499830$626015ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: mobopts@irtf.org X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Jim, I realize there is related discussion in MIPSHOP especially surrounding 802.21 and such. As a follow up to Paris meeting discussion in the RG, where solutions involving MIP signaling for link characteristics notification were presented, we are going to discuss this at Vancouver. The intention is to understand the architectural implications. Regards, -Rajeev James Kempf wrote: > Jouni, > > This discussion has moved to MIPSHOP. > > jak > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 10:02 AM > Subject: [Mobopts] New ID: Link Characteristic Information for IP > MobilityProblem Statement > > > Hi All, > > Based on the discussions and the feedback in Paris IRTF Mobopts meeting > we submitted > a problem statement draft on Link Characteristic Information for IP > Mobility. The > draft should soon be available in I-D directory but meanwhile you can > download it > from the following URL: > > http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jikorhon/draft-korhonen-mobopts-link-charact > eristics-ps-00.txt > > Abstract > > This document discusses the problems related to the link > characteristic information delivery from the mobile node to other > relevant network nodes. The purpose of this document is to set the > scope and goals for possible future work on generic link > characteristic information delivery for optimizing IP mobility > performance. > > We would appreciate your comments and suggestions on the draft. > > Cheers, > Jouni > > > _______________________________________________ > Mobopts mailing list > Mobopts@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mobopts mailing list > Mobopts@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Tue Oct 18 03:32:49 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ERlxp-0000CL-5G; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:32:49 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ERlxm-0000Bx-1M for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:32:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA10010 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.int-evry.fr ([157.159.10.45]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERm9F-0003gF-IE for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:44:38 -0400 Received: from ipv6-3.int-evry.fr (ipv6-3.int-evry.fr [157.159.100.76]) by smtp2.int-evry.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F10A80CC for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:32:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jb by ipv6-3.int-evry.fr with local (Exim 4.52) id 1ERlvf-0007IL-3k for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:30:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:30:35 +0200 From: Julien Bournelle To: mobopts@irtf.org Message-ID: <20051018073035.GM26922@ipv6-3.int-evry.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-INT-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-INT-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: jb@int-evry.fr X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Subject: [Mobopts] I-D analysing draft-ietf-pana-mobopts-00 X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi all, we've written an i-d analyzing draft-ietf-pana-mobopts-00 considering various WLAN deployment scenarios. Unfortunately, we missed the deadline and the i-d won't appear in the IETF repository before 7th November. For those interested, you can find a copy at: http://www-lor.int-evry.fr/~bournell/draft-bournelle-pana-mobopts-analysis-00.txt Any comments are welcome, regards, -- julien.bournelle at int-evry.fr _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Oct 20 12:46:23 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ESdYd-0000Pm-5B; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:46:23 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ESdYa-0000OJ-2I for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:46:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29089 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESdkX-0000LF-Lt for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:58:42 -0400 Received: from [172.16.0.34] (d237.FtokyoFL3.vectant.ne.jp [210.131.130.237]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C801BAC4D; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:46:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4357C9CD.5000209@netlab.nec.de> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:46:05 +0200 From: Telemaco Melia User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobopts@irtf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Rajeev Koodli Subject: [Mobopts] Submission new ID on network initiated handover -- problem statement X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Dear all, Following up the Paris discussion please refer to the following location ftp://ftp.netlab.nec.de/pub/internet-drafts/draft-melia-mobopts-niho-fmip-00.txt for the initial problem statement definition.(until the ID is not announced) Comments are welcome, Telemaco _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Oct 20 12:49:55 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ESdc3-0002tc-MO; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:49:55 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ESdc1-0002tN-Pi for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:49:53 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29364 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESdo0-0000Sz-FG for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:02:16 -0400 Received: from [172.16.0.34] (d237.FtokyoFL3.vectant.ne.jp [210.131.130.237]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C741BAC4D; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:49:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4357CAA6.3020803@netlab.nec.de> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:49:42 +0200 From: Telemaco Melia User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobopts@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Submission new ID on network initiated handover -- problem statement References: <4357C9CD.5000209@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: <4357C9CD.5000209@netlab.nec.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Rajeev Koodli X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errata corrige: ftp://ftp.netlab.nec.de/pub/internet-drafts/draft-melia-mobopts-niho-ps-00.txt telemaco Telemaco Melia wrote: > Dear all, > > Following up the Paris discussion please refer to the following location > ftp://ftp.netlab.nec.de/pub/internet-drafts/draft-melia-mobopts-niho-fmip-00.txt > > for the initial problem statement definition.(until the ID is not > announced) > > Comments are welcome, > Telemaco > > _______________________________________________ > Mobopts mailing list > Mobopts@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Tue Oct 25 08:40:52 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUO6m-0005kO-57; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:40:52 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUO6k-0005jp-Q4 for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:40:50 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA13990 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.81] ident=[U2FsdGVkX18qv5Qa3A2uBz/Z+pPJjr6wModluctHF+Q=]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUOJf-0001H0-BE for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:54:14 -0400 Received: from i72archimedes.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.71.83]) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtpsa id 1EUO6W-0004PK-PW; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:40:38 +0200 Message-ID: <435E27C1.9050605@tm.uka.de> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:40:33 +0200 From: Christian Vogt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-DE; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050923 Thunderbird/1.0.7 Mnenhy/0.7.2.0 X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mobopts X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Mobopts] New I-D: draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-04.txt X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi everybody, a new version of the Route Optimization Enhancements document is available. Since this has not yet been published on the IETF on-line repository, here is an alternative link: http://doc.tm.uka.de/2005/draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-04.txt This new document version does no longer include information on security threats or the standard Mobile IPv6 protocol. It now refers to draft-ietf-mip6-ro-sec-03.txt or RFC3775, respectively. Furthermore, what was originally the "Analysis" section is now more concise and has as such been merged with the original "Future Research" section. This forms a new section "Discussion and Future Research". Best regards, - Christian -- Christian Vogt, Institute of Telematics, University of Karlsruhe www.tm.uka.de/~chvogt/pubkey/ _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Tue Oct 25 13:33:53 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUSgL-00011P-1O; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:33:53 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUSgG-00010c-TR for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:33:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07510 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUStF-0003ZL-Et for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:47:15 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id j9PH0ZY01463; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:00:35 -0700 X-mProtect: <200510251700> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from mvdhcp14172.americas.nokia.com (172.18.141.72, claiming to be "[127.0.0.1]") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdnVLVDI; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:00:33 PDT Message-ID: <435E6C62.1070407@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:33:22 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mobopts@irtf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: William Arbaugh Subject: [Mobopts] MIP6 Route Optimization Enhancements Document X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hello folks, draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-04.txt has undergone a very good review by the members of the RG as well as the MIP6 WG. It is time to issue the Last Call for comments before we progress this document towards an RFC. Please provide your comments on the list by November 7, 2005 so that we can discuss them during the meeting in Vancouver. Thanks, -Rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Tue Oct 25 15:22:07 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUUN5-0004G7-Rb; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:22:07 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUUN4-0004Fq-0E for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:22:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA13989 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUUa3-0006uQ-Eh for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:35:33 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id j9PImqU16194; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:48:52 -0700 X-mProtect: <200510251848> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from mvdhcp14172.americas.nokia.com (172.18.141.72, claiming to be "[127.0.0.1]") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdC6vYfX; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:48:50 PDT Message-ID: <435E85C4.10303@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:21:40 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mobopts@irtf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: William Arbaugh , Rajeev Koodli Subject: [Mobopts] Vancouver Meeting Agenda X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hello folks, here it is.. 0. Introduction, Chairs, < 5 minutes. 1. Transporting link characteristics as a function of mobility a) succint problem description b) why this is a problem of interest c) architectural implications Discussion led by Jouni Korhonen, 20 minutes. draft-korhonen-mobopts-link-characteristics-ps-00.txt 2. Network-controlled handovers a) succint problem description b) why this is a problem of interest c) precedence, tussle (between provider boundaries), limitations etc. Discussion led by Telemaco Melia, 20 minutes. draft-melia-mobopts-niho-ps-00.txt 3. Mobile IPv6 Location Privacy a) succint problem description b) solution alternatives Discussion led by Qiu Ying, 20 minutes. 4. Multicast and Mobility Thomas Schmidt, 15 minutes. 5. Pre-Authentication Framework Ashutosh Dutta, 15 minutes. draft-ohba-mobopts-heterogeneous-requirement-00.txt 6. L2 abstractions and Fast IP Handovers, Update Koshiro Mitsuya, 10 minutes. 7. Network-controlled Handovers with MIP, additional discussion. draft-njedjou-iplocup-netcomm-problem-00.txt discussion Eric Njedjou, 10 minutes 8. Context Transfer Using GIST draft-fu-cxtp-gist-00.txt Xiaoming Fu, 10 minutes. _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Tue Oct 25 16:57:53 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUVrl-0008T1-Ly; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:57:53 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUVrk-0008Sv-FM for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:57:52 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12906 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUW4l-0001M8-6f for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:11:20 -0400 Received: from FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.153]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:57:43 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Mobopts] New Internet Draft on IP location update for Network Controlled Mobility Management Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:02:22 +0200 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Mobopts] New Internet Draft on IP location update for Network Controlled Mobility Management Thread-Index: AcXZmZZgl/5xNV7MRDq6ZneqQv1t/wADELFw From: "NJEDJOU Eric RD-RESA-REN" To: "Rajeev Koodli" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2005 20:57:43.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEA378B0:01C5D9A6] X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: William Arbaugh X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi all, Here is an ID recently submitted and that describes the problem of having Mobile IP perform the IP location update instead of achieving that function as part of the Network Controlled inter-system Mobility Management procedures. Abstract: Mobile IP is good at addressing IP session continuity (hide of the IP address change from transport layer perspective, as well as from the correspondent perspective) but certainly not optimal for mobility management as would perform 3GPP systems providers that want to extend their services to IP access systems. This document only describes the problem and is not meant to provide any solution nor requirement thereof. The draft can be found at the following location http://perso.rd.francetelecom.fr/njedjou/draft-njedjou-mobopts-iplocup-n etcomm-problem-00.txt Eric Njedjou _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Tue Oct 25 22:33:30 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUb6Y-0005qf-Nt; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:33:30 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUb6W-0005qa-MH for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:33:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA15038 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200510260233.WAA15038@ietf.org> Received: from csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn ([166.111.68.226]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUbJU-0007Db-BM for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:46:59 -0400 Received: (qmail 26214 invoked by uid 0); 26 Oct 2005 02:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cy) (yong@219.243.215.253) by csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 02:38:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:33:14 +0800 From: "Yong" To: "Rajeev Koodli" , "waa" , "mobopts" X-mailer: Foxmail 5.0 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xuke Subject: [Mobopts] I-D Submission: draft-cui-mobopts-netctrl-handover-ps.txt X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Dear all, A new draft is submitted with the following information. Title Network Controlled Handover Problem Statement Abstract This document describes why network controlled handover is necessary to future IPv6 deployment, and also outlines some of its features. File name draft-cui-mobopts-netctrl-handover-ps.txt Online I-D http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cui-mobopts-netctrl-handover-ps-00.txt Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks. Best regards, 20:16:53 2005-10-17 ******************************************************** * Yong Cui * * Ph.D, Department of Computer Science & Technology * * Tsinghua University, Beijing, P.R.China(100084) * * Tel: (8610)-62795818-6859 * * Email: yong@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn * ******************************************************** _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Tue Oct 25 22:41:51 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUbEd-0001IJ-9R; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:41:51 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUbEc-0001IE-RA for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:41:50 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA15327 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200510260241.WAA15327@ietf.org> Received: from csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn ([166.111.68.226]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUbRh-0007Oc-GF for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:55:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 26674 invoked by uid 0); 26 Oct 2005 02:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cy) (yong@219.243.215.253) by csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn with SMTP; 26 Oct 2005 02:46:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:42:05 +0800 From: "Yong" To: "Rajeev Koodli" , "mobopts@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Vancouver Meeting Agenda X-mailer: Foxmail 5.0 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: William Arbaugh , Rajeev Koodli X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi, Rajeev and all, We've just finished a draft on the problem statement of Network-controlled handovers. May we have a time slot to present our problem statement? I think that 5 minutes are ok. Thanks. ======= 2005-10-26 03:21:40 You wrote ======= > >Hello folks, > >here it is.. > >0. Introduction, Chairs, < 5 minutes. > >1. Transporting link characteristics as a function of mobility > a) succint problem description > b) why this is a problem of interest > c) architectural implications > > Discussion led by Jouni Korhonen, 20 minutes. > > draft-korhonen-mobopts-link-characteristics-ps-00.txt > >2. Network-controlled handovers > a) succint problem description > b) why this is a problem of interest > c) precedence, tussle (between provider boundaries), limitations etc. > > Discussion led by Telemaco Melia, 20 minutes. > > draft-melia-mobopts-niho-ps-00.txt > >3. Mobile IPv6 Location Privacy > a) succint problem description > b) solution alternatives > > Discussion led by Qiu Ying, 20 minutes. > >4. Multicast and Mobility > > Thomas Schmidt, 15 minutes. > >5. Pre-Authentication Framework > > Ashutosh Dutta, 15 minutes. > > draft-ohba-mobopts-heterogeneous-requirement-00.txt > >6. L2 abstractions and Fast IP Handovers, Update > > Koshiro Mitsuya, 10 minutes. > >7. Network-controlled Handovers with MIP, additional discussion. > > draft-njedjou-iplocup-netcomm-problem-00.txt discussion > > Eric Njedjou, 10 minutes > >8. Context Transfer Using GIST > > draft-fu-cxtp-gist-00.txt > > Xiaoming Fu, 10 minutes. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Mobopts mailing list >Mobopts@irtf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts > ======================================= Best regards, 10:34:30 2005-10-26 ******************************************************** * Yong Cui * * Ph.D, Department of Computer Science & Technology * * Tsinghua University, Beijing, P.R.China(100084) * * Tel: (8610)-62795818-6859 * * Email: yong@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn * ******************************************************** _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Oct 26 02:50:10 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUf6v-00082d-TE; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:50:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUf6s-00080i-Cf for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:50:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA27305 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.81] ident=[U2FsdGVkX19InTlZlHQrV7URMVoLpDl7EH+Uc1lw2Ig=]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUfJy-0005rd-FR for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:03:39 -0400 Received: from i72archimedes.tm.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.71.83]) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtpsa id 1EUf6i-0005No-Ih; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:49:59 +0200 Message-ID: <435F2713.2030302@tm.uka.de> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:49:55 +0200 From: Christian Vogt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-DE; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050923 Thunderbird/1.0.7 Mnenhy/0.7.2.0 X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rajeev Koodli , "mobopts@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [Mobopts] MIP6 Route Optimization Enhancements Document References: <435E6C62.1070407@iprg.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <435E6C62.1070407@iprg.nokia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -69.2 (---------------------------------------------------) X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Report: -100 ATIS_ASMTP SMTP with authentification via ATIS-Server -1.8 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 35 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: William Arbaugh , Jari Arkko X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thanks Rajeev, I should add that I won't be able to attend the IETF meeting in Vancouver, unfortunately. But my co-author Jari will be there, and I'll be reading emails, of course. Wish everybody a successful and pleasant stay in Vancouver! - Christian -- Christian Vogt, Institute of Telematics, University of Karlsruhe www.tm.uka.de/~chvogt/pubkey/ Rajeev Koodli wrote: > > Hello folks, > > draft-irtf-mobopts-ro-enhancements-04.txt has undergone a very good > review by the members of the RG as well as the MIP6 WG. It is time to > issue the Last Call for comments before we progress this document > towards an RFC. > > Please provide your comments on the list by November 7, 2005 so that we > can discuss them during the meeting in Vancouver. > > Thanks, > > -Rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Oct 26 03:25:43 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUffL-0001D7-8L; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:25:43 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUffJ-0001Cj-Vy for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:25:42 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA28851 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUfsP-0006uQ-UY for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:39:15 -0400 Received: from FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.153]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:25:30 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Mobopts] New Internet Draft on IP location update for NetworkControlled Mobility Management Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:30:10 +0200 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Mobopts] New Internet Draft on IP location update for NetworkControlled Mobility Management Thread-Index: AcXZmZZgl/5xNV7MRDq6ZneqQv1t/wADELFwABY8qmA= From: "NJEDJOU Eric RD-RESA-REN" To: "Rajeev Koodli" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2005 07:25:30.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[71F32D50:01C5D9FE] X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: William Arbaugh X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org The right link for the problem statement draft on IP location update for = Network Controlled Mobility Management http://perso.rd.francetelecom.fr/njedjou/draft-njedjou-mobopts-iplocup-ne= tcomm-problem-00.txt Eric Njedjou > -----Message d'origine----- > De : mobopts-bounces@irtf.org=20 > [mailto:mobopts-bounces@irtf.org] De la part de NJEDJOU Eric RD-RESA > Envoy=E9 : mardi 25 octobre 2005 23:02 > =C0 : Rajeev Koodli; mobopts@irtf.org > Cc : William Arbaugh > Objet : [Mobopts] New Internet Draft on IP location update=20 > for NetworkControlled Mobility Management >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > Here is an ID recently submitted and that describes the=20 > problem of having Mobile IP perform the IP location update=20 > instead of achieving that function as part of the Network=20 > Controlled inter-system Mobility Management procedures. >=20 > Abstract: >=20 > Mobile IP is good at addressing IP session continuity (hide=20 > of the IP address change from transport layer perspective, as=20 > well as from the correspondent perspective) but certainly not=20 > optimal for mobility management as would perform 3GPP systems=20 > providers that want to extend their services to IP access=20 > systems. This document only describes the problem and is not=20 > meant to provide any solution nor requirement thereof. >=20 > The draft can be found at the following location=20 > http://perso.rd.francetelecom.fr/njedjou/draft-njedjou-mobopts > -iplocup-n > etcomm-problem-00.txt >=20 > Eric Njedjou >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Mobopts mailing list > Mobopts@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts >=20 _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Oct 26 21:27:21 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUwY5-0003OT-OT; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:27:21 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUwY4-0003N6-6m for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:27:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA13697 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from neon.tcs.hut.fi ([130.233.215.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUwlK-0001yp-QL for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:41:03 -0400 Received: from rhea.tcs.hut.fi (rhea.tcs.hut.fi [130.233.215.147]) by neon.tcs.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6DD80008D; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:27:10 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:27:10 +0300 (EEST) From: Wassim Haddad To: momipriv@lacnic.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: mip6@ietf.org, mipshop@ietf.org, mobopts@irtf.org Subject: [Mobopts] Privacy Problem Statement X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi all, We have updated the momipriv problem statement. The new version expands the privacy problem to include IPsec and SEND protocols. It is available at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-haddad-momipriv-problem-statement-02.txt Comments appreciated. Regards, Wassim H. _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Oct 26 21:32:40 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUwdE-0005qM-M3; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:32:40 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EUwdD-0005q7-Qw for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:32:39 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA13967 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from neon.tcs.hut.fi ([130.233.215.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUwqU-00028F-K5 for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:46:22 -0400 Received: from rhea.tcs.hut.fi (rhea.tcs.hut.fi [130.233.215.147]) by neon.tcs.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47879800098; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:32:30 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:32:30 +0300 (EEST) From: Wassim Haddad To: momipriv@lacnic.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: mip6@ietf.org, mipshop@ietf.org, mobopts@irtf.org Subject: [Mobopts] Privacy Terminology X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi all, We have separated and expanded the terminology related to privacy from the MoMiPriv problem statement draft. The new draft is now available at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-haddad-alien-privacy-terminology-00.txt Comments appreciated. Regards, Wassim H. _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Fri Oct 28 13:48:51 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EVYLT-0005zX-3u; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:48:51 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EVYLP-0005zA-8J for mobopts@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:48:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA00587 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVYYx-0004pv-BP for mobopts@irtf.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:02:48 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id j9SHFOr08210; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:15:24 -0700 X-mProtect: <200510281715> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from mvdhcp14165.americas.nokia.com (172.18.141.65, claiming to be "[127.0.0.1]") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdMVh9zD; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:15:23 PDT Message-ID: <43626465.6050004@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:48:21 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rajeev Koodli Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Vancouver Meeting Agenda References: <435E85C4.10303@iprg.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <435E85C4.10303@iprg.nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: William Arbaugh , "mobopts@irtf.org" X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Here is an update to item 7), additional discussion on network-controlled handover. 7.1 Network-controlled Handovers with MIP, additional discussion. draft-njedjou-iplocup-netcomm-problem-00.txt discussion Eric Njedjou, 5 minutes 7.2 draft-cui-mobopts-netctrl-handover-ps.txt Yong Cui, 5 minutes. Regards, -Rajeev Rajeev Koodli wrote: > > Hello folks, > > here it is.. > > 0. Introduction, Chairs, < 5 minutes. > > 1. Transporting link characteristics as a function of mobility > a) succint problem description > b) why this is a problem of interest > c) architectural implications > > Discussion led by Jouni Korhonen, 20 minutes. > > draft-korhonen-mobopts-link-characteristics-ps-00.txt > > 2. Network-controlled handovers > a) succint problem description > b) why this is a problem of interest > c) precedence, tussle (between provider boundaries), limitations etc. > > Discussion led by Telemaco Melia, 20 minutes. > > draft-melia-mobopts-niho-ps-00.txt > > 3. Mobile IPv6 Location Privacy > a) succint problem description > b) solution alternatives > > Discussion led by Qiu Ying, 20 minutes. > > 4. Multicast and Mobility > > Thomas Schmidt, 15 minutes. > > 5. Pre-Authentication Framework > > Ashutosh Dutta, 15 minutes. > > draft-ohba-mobopts-heterogeneous-requirement-00.txt > > 6. L2 abstractions and Fast IP Handovers, Update > > Koshiro Mitsuya, 10 minutes. > > 7. Network-controlled Handovers with MIP, additional discussion. > > draft-njedjou-iplocup-netcomm-problem-00.txt discussion > > Eric Njedjou, 10 minutes > > 8. Context Transfer Using GIST > > draft-fu-cxtp-gist-00.txt > > Xiaoming Fu, 10 minutes. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mobopts mailing list > Mobopts@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts