From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Sep 14 03:16:46 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNlRj-0005J5-Ak; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:15:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNlRi-0005Ih-Nm for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:15:38 -0400 Received: from mx2.ucdavis.edu ([169.237.104.12]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNlRh-0003as-9i for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:15:38 -0400 Received: from diometes.ucdavis.edu (diometes.ucdavis.edu [169.237.104.180]) by mx2.ucdavis.edu (8.13.7/8.13.1/it-defang-5.4.0) with ESMTP id k8E7FZMa023025 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diometes.ucdavis.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diometes.ucdavis.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9/UCD5.2.0) with ESMTP id k8E7FZi9002277 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by diometes.ucdavis.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id k8E7FZMJ002276; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200609140715.k8E7FZMJ002276@diometes.ucdavis.edu> To: mobopts@irtf.org From: "Fan Zhao" X-Errors-To: fanzhao@pop24.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: Geckomail-b16 X-Originating-IP: [67.169.108.120] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 169.237.104.12 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 Subject: [Mobopts] Table of Content of JSAC-MRNM X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org (Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message) FYI, below are the contents of IEEE Journal on Selected Areas in Communications (J-SAC) SEPTEMBER 2006 VOLUME 24 NUMBER 9 ISACEM (ISSN 0733-8716) MOBILE ROUTERS AND NETWORK MOBILITY B. Sarikaya, S. F. Wu, G. Dommety, C. Castelluccia, T. Ernst, and C. E. Perkins PAPERS Measuring and Improving the Performance of Network Mobility Management in IPv6 Networks .....H. Petander, E. Perera, K.-C. Lan, and A. Seneviratne A Novel SIP-Based Route Optimization for Network Mobility .....C.-M. Huang, C.-H. Lee, and J.-R. Zheng Performance Enhancement of On-Board Communication Networks Using Outage Prediction .....A. Baig, L. Libman, and M. Hassan Design and Experimental Evaluation of a Route Optimization Solution for NEMO .....M. Calderσn, C. J. Bernardos, M. Bagnulo, I. Soto, and A. de la Oliva Route Optimization Using Tree Information Option for Nested Mobile Networks .....H. Cho, T. Kwon, and Y. Choi LR-AKE-Based AAA for Network Mobility (NEMO) Over Wireless Links .....H. Fathi, S. Shin, K. Kobara, S. S. Chakraborty, H. Imai, and R. Prasad Multiple Key Sharing and Distribution Scheme With Threshold for NEMO Group Communications .....Y. Jiang, C. Lin, M. Shi, and X. Shen The Global In-Flight Internet .....E. Sakhaee and A. Jamalipour Reactive Handover Optimization in IPv6-Based Mobile Networks .....Y.-H. Han, J. Choi, and S.-H. Hwang The link to this issue, http://www.jsac.ucsd.edu/TOC/2006/Sep06.html, will be updated soon. _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Sep 20 16:27:54 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ8es-00066S-IQ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:27:02 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ8er-00066M-OK for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:27:01 -0400 Received: from mgw-ext13.nokia.com ([131.228.20.172]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ8ep-0001TQ-Gl for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:27:01 -0400 Received: from esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh108.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.145]) by mgw-ext13.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.10/Switch-3.1.10) with ESMTP id k8KKQwG3018485 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:26:58 +0300 Received: from daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.112]) by esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:26:57 +0300 Received: from mvebe101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.19.64.23]) by daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:26:55 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:26:56 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: L2 abstractions draft Thread-Index: Acbc8x3/+rnc8biMTE2tK15zne0HpA== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2006 20:26:55.0991 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DB08870:01C6DCF3] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Subject: [Mobopts] L2 abstractions draft X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hello folks, we have had this work on "L2 abstractions for L3 handovers"=20 (draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions-00.txt) for quite a while now=20 (under the name draft-koki-mobopts-l2-abstractions-04.txt).=20 It has looked at how to provide abstractions at L2 that are necessary=20 for L3 handovers, which is quite crucial especially for real-time=20 applications I think. The work is available as a FreeBSD testbed, and the authors have compared their work with the IAB link indications draft. I think it is time to move this ID forward.=20 I am looking for reviewers. You will be acknowledged as a reviewer.=20 It can also be anonymous if you so wish :-) Could you please let me know if you would like to be a reviewer of this ID?=20 The URL for this ID is http://tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions-00.t xt Thanks, -Rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Mon Sep 25 02:24:05 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GRjrt-00058d-C1; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:23:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GRjrr-00058T-F2 for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:23:03 -0400 Received: from bayc1-pasmtp08.bayc1.hotmail.com ([65.54.191.168] helo=BAYC1-PASMTP08.CEZ.ICE) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GRjrp-0000EP-W0 for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:23:03 -0400 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.95.143.142] X-Originating-Email: [jaseem@sympatico.ca] Received: from ee.ryerson.ca ([65.95.143.142]) by BAYC1-PASMTP08.CEZ.ICE over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:31:02 -0700 Message-ID: <45177581.8000605@ee.ryerson.ca> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:21:53 -0400 From: Muhammad Jaseemuddin Organization: Ryerson University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobopts@irtf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2006 06:31:02.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BFDC920:01C6E06C] X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Scan-Signature: b22590c27682ace61775ee7b453b40d3 Subject: [Mobopts] CFP: HWN-RMQ workshop in IEEE CCNC 2007 X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org ====================================================================== CALL FOR PAPERS HWN-RMQ Workshop in IEEE CCNC 2007 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Due to numerous requests the Submission Deadline has been Extended to Sept 30, 2006 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2nd IEEE International Workshop on Heterogeneous Wireless Networks: Resource Management and QoS (HWN-RMQ'07) IEEE CCNC 2007 - Satellite Workshop January 11 2007, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA Sponsored by the IEEE Communications Society You can view the conference details at: http://www.ieee-ccnc.org/callforpapers/HWN-RMQ_workshop/index.html. The fourth generation (4G) of wireless communications is expected to integrate a potentially large number of different heterogeneous wireless technologies in what could be considered a huge step forward towards universal wireless access and omnipresent computing through seamless mobility. Even though 4G standard is currently not defined, there are many current outlooks that delineate the vision of the new wireless technologies. Based on the emergent trends of mobile communication, 4G will have larger bandwidth, higher data rates, smoother and quicker handoff and will focus on guaranteeing faultless service and seamless handoff across a multitude of wireless networks. The key concept is integrating the 4G capabilities with all of the existing mobile technologies. Special maneuvers will be necessary amongst different access systems in terms of horizontal (intra-system) and vertical (inter-system) handoff as well as seamless mobility, Quality of Service (QoS), dependability and security. In this workshop, we solicit high quality papers from leading researchers that present state-of-the-art research in heterogeneous wireless networks dealing with resource management techniques and QoS provisioning. Topics of interests Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * Interworking with 2.5G, 3G, and other wireless networks * QoS provisioning for heterogeneous wireless networks * End-to-End QoS Architectures * Location, Mobility and Handoff Management * Seamless vertical handoff techniques between different wireless networks * Network selection criteria * Resource management/allocation * Bandwidth adaptation * Power control and management * Load, admission, and flow control * Architecture design alternatives for heterogeneous wireless networks * Performance analysis and experimentation of heterogeneous wireless networks * Pricing and billing issues * Security techniques and methods for heterogeneous wireless networks * Heterogeneous wireless networks applications and measurements * Simulation study of heterogeneous wireless networks * Scalability of heterogeneous wireless networks * Implementation and testbed experiments * Standardization activities for heterogeneous wireless networks * Heterogeneous multi-hop wireless networks Guidelines for Submission Submitted papers must represent original material that is not currently under review in any other conference or journal, and has not been previously published. * Paper length should not exceed five-page technical paper manuscript. Please see author information page for submission guidelines at CCNC'07 website (http://www.ieee-ccnc.org). The paper should be used as the basis for a 20-30 minute Workshop presentation. * Papers should be submitted in a .pdf or .ps format by selecting CCNC'07 at the EDAS paper submission website (http://www.edas.info) and then selecting the workshop submission link. * A separate cover sheet should show the title of the paper, the author(s) name(s) and affiliation(s), and the address (including e-mail, telephone, and fax) to which the correspondence should be sent. * All accepted papers will be published in the conference proceedings * At least one author of accepted papers is required to register at the full registration rate. Important Dates Paper submission: September 30, 2006 Author Notification: October 30, 2006 Camera-ready Copy: November 10, 2006 Author Registration Deadline: November 8, 2006 Workshop date: January 11, 2007 Workshop Co-Chairs Muhammad Jaseemuddin (Ryerson University, Canada, jaseem@ee.ryerson.ca) Tarek Bejaoui (Mediatron, Sup’Com, Tunisia, bejaoui@ief.u-psud.fr) Technical Program Committee • Ekram Hossain, University of Manitoba, Canada • Emad Aboelela, University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, USA • Eylem Ekici, Ohio State University, USA • Farid Nait-Adbesselam, University of Lille, France • Hussein Mouftah, University of Ottawa, Canada • Jalel Ben-Othman, University of Versailles, France • Javier Gozalvez, Universidad Miguel Hernandez, Spain • Liudong Xing, University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, USA • Mohamed Ould-Khaoua, University of Glasgow, UK • Najah Abu Ali, Queen's University, Canada • Nidal Nasser, University of Guelph, Canada • Ozgur B. Akan, Middle East Technical University, Turkey • Sunil Kumar, San Diego State University, USA • Thomas Noel, University of Strasbourg, France • Victor Kueh , Fujitsu Laboratories of Europe • Weihua Zhuang, University of Waterloo, Canada • Wenbing Zhao, Cleveland State University, USA • Yacine Atif, Massey University, New Zealand • Young-Joo Suh, Pohang University of Science and Technology (POSTECH), Korea • Youssef Iraqi, Dhofar University, Oman _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Tue Sep 26 07:46:52 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSBNm-0000lQ-AO; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:45:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSBNk-0000lJ-P9 for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:45:48 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.226]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSBNj-0005qg-Is for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:45:48 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t13so2269327wxc for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:45:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ts+C5z+PXZC6D824/MfYMppNYcnE8U95kvz3wxin/aWEERBWTGdmxomdVM5Yj8qnoTIjPNKFxljIa0poPE+9QBecazhDvNZAmeJEJuKy1R2tmrfVAbX5WAxwTrpeEQYQIiRgcqRWD9odDHimeVnjYAcEOwvW9Kgkn8q//MCjnW4= Received: by 10.70.109.9 with SMTP id h9mr573298wxc; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.27.14 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:45:47 +0900 From: "Soohong Daniel Park" To: mobopts@irtf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Subject: [Mobopts] Re: L2 abstractions draft X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Rajeev, After glancing at this draft, I am not sure whether authors are referring what's going on in IEEE 802.21 working group. 802.21 begun their efforts on the L2 facility to support IP mobility from 2004 (in face study group is more early than 2004). There are already lot of L2 primitives which are well defined and categorized in there. To me, this draft seems really duplicated with 21 spec. Why we need several documents for the same way ? I am willing to be a review on this document in conjunction with IEEE 802.21 folks. But, before that, we should clarify the relationship between this draft and IEEE 802.21 spec. Am I missing anything ? if yes, please let me know... -- Daniel (Soohong Daniel Park) Mobile Convergence Laboratory, SAMSUNG Electronics. _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Tue Sep 26 08:50:16 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSCNA-0001Mj-H6; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:49:16 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSCN9-0001IG-1V for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:49:15 -0400 Received: from lizzard.sbs.de ([194.138.37.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSCN6-0003KY-FM for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:49:15 -0400 Received: from mail1.sbs.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lizzard.sbs.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k8QCnAEJ018836; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:49:10 +0200 Received: from fthw9xpa.ww002.siemens.net (fthw9xpa.ww002.siemens.net [157.163.133.222]) by mail1.sbs.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k8QCnA6b026608; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:49:10 +0200 Received: from MCHP7IEA.ww002.siemens.net ([139.25.131.145]) by fthw9xpa.ww002.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:49:10 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: [Mobopts] Re: L2 abstractions draft Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:48:57 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Mobopts] Re: L2 abstractions draft Thread-Index: AcbhYmmUl0hKf7auQIuA7+CZv34GvwAAtiug From: "Tschofenig, Hannes" To: "Soohong Daniel Park" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2006 12:49:10.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[292CE970:01C6E16A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Cc: X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Daniel,=20 some time back I wrote a draft that uses the PF_KEY/PF_ROUTE socket = interface as an instantiation for the IEEE 802.21 API.=20 I proposed it for usage in MOBIKE but it obviously has broader = applicability.=20 Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find enough people to work on it.=20 Is someone interested?=20 =20 Ciao Hannes =20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Soohong Daniel Park [mailto:soohongp@gmail.com]=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. September 2006 13:46 > An: mobopts@irtf.org > Betreff: [Mobopts] Re: L2 abstractions draft >=20 > Rajeev, >=20 > After glancing at this draft, I am not sure whether authors are > referring what's going on in IEEE 802.21 working group. 802.21 begun > their efforts on the L2 facility to support IP mobility from 2004 (in > face study group is more early than 2004). There are already lot of L2 > primitives which are well defined and categorized in there. To me, > this draft seems really duplicated with 21 spec. Why we need several > documents for the same way ? I am willing to be a review on this > document in conjunction with IEEE 802.21 folks. But, before that, we > should clarify the relationship between this draft and IEEE 802.21 > spec. >=20 > Am I missing anything ? if yes, please let me know... >=20 > --=20 >=20 >=20 > Daniel (Soohong Daniel Park) > Mobile Convergence Laboratory, SAMSUNG Electronics. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Mobopts mailing list > Mobopts@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts >=20 _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Sep 27 00:46:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSRIM-00076o-Us; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:45:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSRIM-00075G-DJ for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:45:18 -0400 Received: from shonan.sfc.wide.ad.jp ([2001:200:0:8803::53] helo=mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSREe-0001bn-Eo for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:41:29 -0400 Received: from [IPv6:2001:200::8801:211:24ff:fe7a:669c] (unknown [IPv6:2001:200:0:8801:211:24ff:fe7a:669c]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10244D8FA; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:41:19 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <80A11879-B820-472F-B678-E87FA17BF06A@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Koshiro MITSUYA Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Re: L2 abstractions draft Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:40:01 +0900 To: "Soohong Daniel Park" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Cc: Koshiro MITSUYA , mobopts@irtf.org X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hello Daniel, I am one of the authors. Please let me explain. Some histories: We started this works since 2002. The first version of the draft (draft-koki-mobopts-l2-abstractions) was submitted July 2004. We had presentations several times in the Mobopts meetings. We also had a presentation the IEEE 802.21 meeting March 2005. I do not know the actual status of IEEE 802.21, but we developed the implementation and confirmed our L2 primitives works fine. We presented the demonstration in the Mobopts meetings. From this point, I believe our draft is stable as the L2 primitives spec. So, it is worth to be publish as an "informational" draft. To be honestly, one of the purpose is to get attentions from people working on IEEE 802.21. I am very glad to have your question like this way :) regards, Koshiro On 2006/09/26, at 20:45, Soohong Daniel Park wrote: > Rajeev, > > After glancing at this draft, I am not sure whether authors are > referring what's going on in IEEE 802.21 working group. 802.21 begun > their efforts on the L2 facility to support IP mobility from 2004 (in > face study group is more early than 2004). There are already lot of L2 > primitives which are well defined and categorized in there. To me, > this draft seems really duplicated with 21 spec. Why we need several > documents for the same way ? I am willing to be a review on this > document in conjunction with IEEE 802.21 folks. But, before that, we > should clarify the relationship between this draft and IEEE 802.21 > spec. > > Am I missing anything ? if yes, please let me know... > > -- > > > Daniel (Soohong Daniel Park) > Mobile Convergence Laboratory, SAMSUNG Electronics. > > _______________________________________________ > Mobopts mailing list > Mobopts@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Sep 27 00:47:03 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSRJI-0007NG-As; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:46:16 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSRJG-0007N6-IB for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:46:14 -0400 Received: from mailout2.samsung.com ([203.254.224.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSRJB-00031R-Vy for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:46:14 -0400 Received: from ep_mmp2 (mailout2.samsung.com [203.254.224.25]) by mailout2.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J680044VIKV9J@mailout2.samsung.com> for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:46:08 +0900 (KST) Received: from your655e9d6f61 ([168.219.198.109]) by mmp2.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0J6800G2WIKVXJ@mmp2.samsung.com> for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:46:07 +0900 (KST) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:45:44 +0900 From: Soohong Daniel Park Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Re: L2 abstractions draft To: "Tschofenig, Hannes" , Soohong Daniel Park , mobopts@irtf.org Message-id: <00d301c6e1ef$cac04770$6dc6dba8@your655e9d6f61> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts --===============0176117417==-- From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Sep 27 01:33:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSS1c-0000ae-Sw; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:32:04 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSS1a-0000aT-Up for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:32:02 -0400 Received: from mailout3.samsung.com ([203.254.224.33]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSS1Y-00039C-Gx for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:32:02 -0400 Received: from ep_mmp2 (mailout3.samsung.com [203.254.224.33]) by mailout3.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J680021XKNWKT@mailout3.samsung.com> for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:31:08 +0900 (KST) Received: from your655e9d6f61 ([168.219.198.109]) by mmp2.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0J6800JJEKNWIS@mmp2.samsung.com> for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:31:08 +0900 (KST) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:30:44 +0900 From: Soohong Daniel Park Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Re: L2 abstractions draft To: Koshiro MITSUYA , Soohong Daniel Park Message-id: <014b01c6e1f6$14572e20$6dc6dba8@your655e9d6f61> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <80A11879-B820-472F-B678-E87FA17BF06A@sfc.wide.ad.jp> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Cc: Koshiro MITSUYA , mobopts@irtf.org X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Koshiro, My comments are inline. > Some histories: > We started this works since 2002. The first version of the draft > (draft-koki-mobopts-l2-abstractions) was submitted July 2004. > We had presentations several times in the Mobopts meetings. > We also had a presentation the IEEE 802.21 meeting March 2005. I do not blame this work. Sure, this work is really helpful from the higher layer mobility management. Good job. > I do not know the actual status of IEEE 802.21, but we developed > the implementation and confirmed our L2 primitives works fine. > We presented the demonstration in the Mobopts meetings. > From this point, I believe our draft is stable as the L2 primitives > spec. > So, it is worth to be publish as an "informational" draft. Even it is targeting for an Informational RFC, it can cause several troubles to implement Link primitives aside from 802.21 draft. 802.21 defined Link Layer primitive and it's above twenty. So, I encourage you to harmonize your primitives with 802.21. Or at least mentioning gab between them in this draft. > To be honestly, one of the purpose is to get attentions from people > working on IEEE 802.21. I am very glad to have your question like > this way :) 802.21 will have an adhoc meeting on October. If allowed, I will raise the interest of this work in there. Obviously, we will be able to expect further details and useful comments from there. Hope this helps... Daniel (Soohong Daniel Park) Mobile Convergence Laboratory, SAMSUNG Electronics. _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Sep 27 09:37:51 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSZaj-0006vx-J7; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:36:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSZai-0006vs-AB for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:36:48 -0400 Received: from shonan.sfc.wide.ad.jp ([2001:200:0:8803::53] helo=mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSZab-0001aM-1P for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:36:48 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.14] (p1221-ipbf504funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [124.100.48.221]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C7D4D871; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:36:28 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <014b01c6e1f6$14572e20$6dc6dba8@your655e9d6f61> References: <80A11879-B820-472F-B678-E87FA17BF06A@sfc.wide.ad.jp> <014b01c6e1f6$14572e20$6dc6dba8@your655e9d6f61> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <29019123-BBA3-4CC5-AF33-4C381BDEC5A0@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Koshiro MITSUYA Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Re: L2 abstractions draft Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:37:00 +0900 To: Soohong Daniel Park X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: Koshiro MITSUYA , mobopts@irtf.org X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Daniel, Please find my comments inline. [snip] > I do not blame this work. Sure, this work is really helpful from > the higher layer mobility management. Good job. Thanks! [snip] > Even it is targeting for an Informational RFC, it can cause several > troubles to implement Link primitives aside from 802.21 draft. > > 802.21 defined Link Layer primitive and it's above twenty. So, > I encourage you to harmonize your primitives with 802.21. Or > at least mentioning gab between them in this draft. I see. I will work on the gab analysis first. [snip] > 802.21 will have an adhoc meeting on October. If allowed, I > will raise the interest of this work in there. Obviously, we will > be able to expect further details and useful comments from there. > OK, that is very good. regards, Koshiro _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Sep 27 12:44:19 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GScVC-0002h8-TY; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:43:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GScVA-0002h3-Va for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:43:16 -0400 Received: from mgw-ext13.nokia.com ([131.228.20.172]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GScV9-00037C-FQ for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:43:16 -0400 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext13.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.10/Switch-3.1.10) with ESMTP id k8RGhChM029619; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:43:13 +0300 Received: from daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.111]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:43:12 +0300 Received: from mvebe101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.19.64.23]) by daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:43:03 -0500 Received: from 10.241.32.16 ([10.241.32.16]) by mvebe101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.19.64.23]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:43:01 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:45:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Re: L2 abstractions draft From: Rajeev Koodli To: Soohong Daniel Park , Koshiro MITSUYA , Soohong Daniel Park Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Mobopts] Re: L2 abstractions draft Thread-Index: AcbiIfufOiNWmE4VEduJvQAWy5YJpw== In-Reply-To: <014b01c6e1f6$14572e20$6dc6dba8@your655e9d6f61> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2006 16:43:03.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[00265440:01C6E254] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Cc: mobopts@irtf.org X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Daniel, Good to see your input. Koshiro has already provided the background and context for this work. The purpose here is not to compete with 802.21 primitives work. I believe this is in one of the early works on L2 primitives and their usage in L3 handovers which has been _demonstrated_ in a testbed. As Koshiro mentioned, this work was also presented at 802.21 meeting very early on. The purpose here is to bring out how one could use L2 primitives in L3 handovers as evident from an experimental testbed. I think it is very useful for the RG community and for 802.21 community as well. As you point out, perhaps the draft can mention that the L2 primitives defined here are not exactly the same as what 802.21 has defined. Someone else may consider harmonizing this with 802.21 if they are interested. Nevertheless, the experiences here are useful enough for us to publish. Regards, -Rajeev On 9/26/06 10:30 PM, "Soohong Daniel Park" wrote: > Koshiro, > > My comments are inline. > >> Some histories: >> We started this works since 2002. The first version of the draft >> (draft-koki-mobopts-l2-abstractions) was submitted July 2004. >> We had presentations several times in the Mobopts meetings. >> We also had a presentation the IEEE 802.21 meeting March 2005. > > I do not blame this work. Sure, this work is really helpful from > the higher layer mobility management. Good job. > >> I do not know the actual status of IEEE 802.21, but we developed >> the implementation and confirmed our L2 primitives works fine. >> We presented the demonstration in the Mobopts meetings. >> From this point, I believe our draft is stable as the L2 primitives >> spec. >> So, it is worth to be publish as an "informational" draft. > > Even it is targeting for an Informational RFC, it can cause several > troubles to implement Link primitives aside from 802.21 draft. > > 802.21 defined Link Layer primitive and it's above twenty. So, > I encourage you to harmonize your primitives with 802.21. Or > at least mentioning gab between them in this draft. > >> To be honestly, one of the purpose is to get attentions from people >> working on IEEE 802.21. I am very glad to have your question like >> this way :) > > 802.21 will have an adhoc meeting on October. If allowed, I > will raise the interest of this work in there. Obviously, we will > be able to expect further details and useful comments from there. > > Hope this helps... > > Daniel (Soohong Daniel Park) > Mobile Convergence Laboratory, SAMSUNG Electronics. > > _______________________________________________ > Mobopts mailing list > Mobopts@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Sep 27 20:01:53 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjKn-0004Qs-Dt; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:01:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjKl-0004Ql-Vk for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:00:59 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.226]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjKk-0000Tr-Pi for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:00:59 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t13so388869wxc for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:00:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jDKfNyXE4e87wIKO0l9ox9JdKySL3EJOeN9VPMS4lo+DVNq0h/TZ0hU6qXw/aYX0i043BQgXfj5Z1HZA8JCDp/Xucu0uW+2whwxt3mSeOpMFvUCwNuT5u+Xj6vwMBSk7Oe4EK5CeduLEhpk9PRYfubcd7kHRBcVAWckwbPQ+TwI= Received: by 10.70.90.18 with SMTP id n18mr1678522wxb; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.27.14 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:00:58 +0900 From: "Soohong Daniel Park" To: "Rajeev Koodli" Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Re: L2 abstractions draft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <014b01c6e1f6$14572e20$6dc6dba8@your655e9d6f61> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: Koshiro MITSUYA , Soohong Daniel Park , mobopts@irtf.org X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Rajeev, > The purpose here is to bring out how one could use L2 primitives in L3 > handovers as evident from an experimental testbed. I think it is very useful > for the RG community and for 802.21 community as well. Sure, in principle, I agreed. > As you point out, perhaps the draft can mention that the L2 primitives > defined here are not exactly the same as what 802.21 has defined. Someone > else may consider harmonizing this with 802.21 if they are interested. > Nevertheless, the experiences here are useful enough for us to publish. As I pointed out, addressing at least what difference from 802.21 L2 primitives would be included into this draft. If allowed, I can help with this work. -- Daniel (Soohong Daniel Park) Mobile Convergence Laboratory, SAMSUNG Electronics. _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts