From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Mar 01 17:31:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMtnz-0008HV-7X; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:31:19 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMtny-0008H7-5B; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:31:18 -0500 Received: from mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de ([141.45.5.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMtnt-00023B-9n; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:31:18 -0500 Received: from dhcp-15-128.rdg.ac.uk ([134.225.15.128]) by mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1HMsnx-0001YN-JD; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:27:13 +0100 Message-ID: <45E74665.207@fhtw-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:32:21 +0100 From: Thomas C Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobopts , mipshop@ietf.org, Mip6 , sam@irtf.org, ssm@ietf.org Subject: [Mobopts] New ID: Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Cc: X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: schmidt@fhtw-berlin.de List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi all, we submitted an updated version of the problem statement draft on extending Multicast to Mobility. It should be in the ID directory soon and can immediatly be downloaded under: http://www.realmv6.org/papers/draft-schmidt-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt Details: Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement Abstract In this document we discuss mobility extensions to current IP layer multicast solutions. Problems arising from mobile group communication in general, in the case of multicast listener mobility and for mobile Any Source Multicast as well as Source Specific Multicast senders are documented. Characteristic aspects of multicast routing and deployment issues are summarized. The principal approaches to the multicast mobility problems are outlined subsequently. The new document contains a number of clarification & language fixes and has been extended to include o further routing issues, especially bi-directional PIM; o additional approaches to a solution of mobile multicast tasks; o further references; o all major comments from reviewers. As it seems desirable to advance on the subject, we'd like to emphasize solicitation of comments & reviews ... Looking forward to your discussions! See you in Prague, thomas _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Fri Mar 02 08:32:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HN7s6-0001Pc-0H; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:32:30 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HN7s4-0001P1-Uq for mobopts@irtf.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:32:28 -0500 Received: from mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de ([141.45.5.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HN7s0-00022W-4u for mobopts@irtf.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:32:28 -0500 Received: from dhcp-15-128.rdg.ac.uk ([134.225.15.128]) by mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1HN7rz-0008T8-EF; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:32:23 +0100 Message-ID: <45E82892.7@fhtw-berlin.de> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:37:22 +0100 From: Thomas C Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Huang , mobopts Subject: Re: [Mobopts] New ID: Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement] References: <45E74870.3040200@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> <031501c75cad$a41055a0$1805a40a@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <031501c75cad$a41055a0$1805a40a@china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 825e642946eda55cd9bc654a36dab8c2 Cc: X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: schmidt@fhtw-berlin.de List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Zhigang, many thanks for the review! Andy Huang wrote: > I reviewed your draft and it's really a good job, especially you > referred to a great number of references. Here ars some comments. > > Section 2.3.1 > "For application transparency the logical node identifier, > commonly the HoA, must be presented as packet's source address to the > socket layer at the receiver side." > > I doubt about it. For the receivers using ASM, it's possible that they > need not care about the IP source address. > Yes, you are right. Actually, this is application dependent. There are UDP applications, which do not care about source addresses. However, many do, especially if they use RTP-Stacks (IP Source is part of the RTP session definition). A couple years ago we tested quite a number of applications regarding their behaviour on source address changes: most of them did react sensitive, some with error messges, some with real application errors. So that's why we stated that a network multicast service should preserve address transparency, even if UDP sockets allow for address changes in general. > Section 4.1 > "triangular routing" > This term is introduced in MIPv4, to describe data flow path between MN > and CN. The data packets from CN to MN must pass through HA but data > packets from MN to CN can be forwarded directly. It forms a triangle. > It's not like this in multicast cases. I suggest using other words such > as inefficient routing to replace it. But it's not a big problem. > :-), that's a minor formulation thing: some people (like us) call routing triangular, if it is not direct (an open triangle) ... some, linke in MIPv4, have a closed triangle in mind. Anyway, it's clear though, I guess .... > See you in Prague. > Yes: looking forward to further discussions Thomas >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [Mobopts] New ID: Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement >> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:32:21 +0100 >> From: Thomas C Schmidt >> Reply-To: schmidt@fhtw-berlin.de >> To: mobopts , mipshop@ietf.org, Mip6 , >> sam@irtf.org, ssm@ietf.org >> >> Hi all, >> >> we submitted an updated version of the problem statement >> draft on extending Multicast to Mobility. >> >> It should be in the ID directory soon and can immediatly be downloaded >> under: >> >> http://www.realmv6.org/papers/draft-schmidt-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt >> >> Details: >> >> >> Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement >> >> >> Abstract >> >> In this document we discuss mobility extensions to current IP layer >> multicast solutions. Problems arising from mobile group communication >> in general, in the case of multicast listener mobility and for mobile >> Any Source Multicast as well as Source Specific Multicast senders are >> documented. Characteristic aspects of multicast routing and >> deployment issues are summarized. The principal approaches to the >> multicast mobility problems are outlined subsequently. >> >> >> The new document contains a number of clarification & language fixes and >> has been extended to include >> >> o further routing issues, especially bi-directional PIM; >> o additional approaches to a solution of mobile multicast tasks; >> o further references; >> o all major comments from reviewers. >> >> >> As it seems desirable to advance on the subject, we'd like to emphasize >> solicitation of comments & reviews ... >> >> Looking forward to your discussions! >> >> See you in Prague, >> >> thomas >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ° Prof. Dr. Thomas Schmidt >> ° HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik >> ° University of Applied Sciences >> ° Berliner Tor 7, D 20099 Hamburg >> ° Germany, Fon: +49-40-42875-8157 >> ° http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt >> > > _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Mon Mar 12 11:46:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQmjY-0004Gj-K8; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:46:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQmjY-0004Ge-0E for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:46:48 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.171] helo=mgw-ext12.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQmjW-0000nj-Gj for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:46:47 -0400 Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-ext12.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l2CFkJZD010376 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:46:44 +0200 Received: from daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.111]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:46:25 +0200 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:46:09 -0500 Received: from 10.162.252.1 ([10.162.252.1]) by daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:46:09 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:46:38 -0800 From: Rajeev Koodli To: "mobopts@irtf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Agenda, Meeting now on Thursday Thread-Index: AcdkvZ7Z3Vvc39CwEduL5QAWy5YJpw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2007 15:46:09.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DDC73A0:01C764BD] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Subject: [Mobopts] Agenda, Meeting now on Thursday X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hello folks, We are now meeting on Thursday morning 9.00 - 11.30 am. The agenda is at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07mar/agenda/MobOpts.txt Presenters: please use most of this time to get input for your work, in addition to providing a description. Regards, -Rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Tue Mar 13 17:33:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HREbj-0000hM-Mc; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:32:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HREbi-0000gp-IE for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:32:34 -0400 Received: from tmailer.gwdg.de ([134.76.10.23]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HREbh-0000HO-0m for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:32:34 -0400 Received: from p5b03b826.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([91.3.184.38] helo=[192.168.0.188]) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HREbX-0001XK-QE; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:32:24 +0100 Message-ID: <45F71865.3000609@cs.uni-goettingen.de> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:32:21 +0100 From: Xiaoming Fu Organization: University of Goettingen, Germany User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hipsec-rg@honor.trusecure.com, mobopts@irtf.org, dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated: Id:xfu X-Spam-Level: - X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ff03b0075c3fc728d7d60a15b4ee1ad2 Cc: Subject: [Mobopts] CFP: MobiArch 2007 at ACM SIGCOMM 2007, Kyoto, Japan X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org (Please accept our apologies if you have received multiple copies.) -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Second International Workshop on Mobility in the Evolving Internet Architecture (MobiArch 2007) Kyoto, Japan, August 27, 2007 Sponsored by ACM SIGCOMM In-Cooperation with ACM SIGMOBILE (to be held with ACM SIGCOMM 2007, August 27-31, 2007) http://user.informatik.uni-goettingen.de/~mobiarch/2007 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Important Dates: =============== Abstract registration: March 20, 2007 Submission Deadline: March 27, 2007 Acceptance Notification: May 15, 2007 Camera-ready version due: June 12, 2007 MobiArch'07 Workshop: August 27, 2007 SIGCOMM'07: August 27-31, 2007 Call for Papers: =============== With the recent development of technologies in wireless access and mobile devices, user, terminal, and network mobility has become an indispensable component of today's Internet vision, and it is likely to continue in the near future, while affecting the whole architectural design of the future Internet. Yet, issues like efficient mobility management and optimization, locator-identifier split, multihoming, security, and related operational/deployment concerns are still in their early stages of development. Moreover, the Internet architecture, its end-to-end principles, and business models will require rethinking due to the massive penetration of mobility into the Internet. MobiArch'07 welcomes submissions, from both researchers and practitioners, in exploration of recent advances in architectures, protocols, and experiences with emerging technologies on wireless and mobility over the Internet, with an emphasis on wireless infrastructures and mobility patterns for mobility support, new mobility protocols, service discovery, routing and location management, mobile network performance evaluation and modeling, multi-homing, security, architectural impacts and deployment considerations. Topics of Interest: ================== Topics of MobiArch’07 cover all aspects of architectural issues and system support for wireless and mobility in the Internet, including but not limited to: - Impacts of new wireless technologies/services and mobility patterns on the Internet architecture - Architectures and protocols for mobility support in the Internet, ranging from approaches in link, network, transport to session/application layers and cross-layer design - Location management, positioning and data management systems for wireless and mobility - Routing and addressing, including locator/identifier split issues and their impacts to the Internet architecture - IP multihoming including flow distribution and load sharing for wireless and mobility - Performance evaluation, experimentation and modeling of mobility in the Internet - Accounting, access control, security and privacy issues and impacts to Internet architecture - Economic, scalability and deployment issues of mobility infrastructure design - Mechanisms and issues with connecting developing regions into the Internet Following the success of MobiArch'06, the MobiArch'07 workshop will be a single-track one-day workshop. Early stages, position papers, systems and measurement papers will be particularly welcome. The proceedings will be published by the ACM and ACM digital library. Submissions: =========== Submissions must be made to MobiArch'07 EDAS entry: http://edas.info/5238, following the guidelines in MobiArch'07 webpage: http://user.informatik.uni-goettingen.de/~mobiarch/2007 PROGRAM CO-CHAIRS ================= Xiaoming Fu, University of Goettingen (Germany) Katherine Guo, Bell Labs (USA) Sue Moon, KAIST (Korea) Ryuji Wakikawa, Keio University (Japan) PROGRAM COMMITTEE ================= Rui Aguiar, Universidade de Aveiro (Portugal) Jari Arkko, Ericsson (Finland) Song Chong, KAIST (Korea) Lars Eggert, NEC Europe Labs (Germany) Joseph Evans, U. Kansas (USA) Serge Fdida, University Pierre & Marie Curie (Paris 6) (France) Ivano Guardini, Telecom Italia Lab (IT) Seung-Jae Han, Yonsei U (Korea) Rajeev Koodli, Nokia Research Center (USA) Stefan Mangold, Swisscom (Switzerland) Thomas Noel, Universite Strasbourg (France) Joerg Ott, Helsinki U of Techology (Finland) Charles Perkins, Nokia Research Center (USA) Injong Rhee, NC State University (USA) Henning Schulzrinne, Columbia U. (USA) Peter Steenkiste, CMU (USA) Hideaki Sunahara, NARA Inst. of Sci. & Tech. (Japan) Fumio Teraoka, Keio U. (Japan) Hannes Tschofenig, Siemens (Germany) Andras Veres, Ericsson (Hungary) Kenichi Yamazaki, NTT Docomo (Japan) Lixia Zhang, UCLA (USA) Yongguang Zhang, Microsoft Research Asia (China) PUBLICITY CHAIR =============== Jon Crowcroft, University of Cambridge (UK) QUESTIONS ========= Please consult the Program Co-Chairs (mobiarch@informatik.uni-goettingen.de) if you are uncertain whether your paper falls within the scope of the workshop. _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Mar 15 11:45:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRs8p-000859-NI; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:45:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRs8n-00083z-NG for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:45:21 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.170] helo=mgw-ext11.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRs8m-0002qq-8S for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:45:21 -0400 Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext11.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l2FFjHN9019701 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:45:18 +0200 Received: from daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.111]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:45:11 +0200 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:44:38 -0500 Received: from 10.241.58.63 ([10.241.58.63]) by daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:44:38 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:44:40 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli To: "mobopts@irtf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Dinner on Thursday evening Thread-Index: AcdnGNfBFjnEW9MMEdu8YwAWy5YJpw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2007 15:44:38.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6DCA950:01C76718] X-eXpurgate-Category: 1/0 X-eXpurgate-ID: 149371::070315174518-4C8EFBB0-354CBC04/0-0/0-1 X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Subject: [Mobopts] Dinner on Thursday evening X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hello folks, I would like to get together for dinner and informal discussion. Let's meet at 7.45 pm around the hotel lobby on Thursday. Please let me know if you would like to attend. Regards, -Rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Sun Mar 18 15:30:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HT14i-00008F-0G; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:29:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HT14g-000085-Pq for mobopts@irtf.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:29:50 -0400 Received: from mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de ([141.45.5.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HT14e-00017P-Cr for mobopts@irtf.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:29:50 -0400 Received: from e178131060.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.131.60] helo=[192.168.178.23]) by mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1HT14N-000Los-CR; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:29:31 +0100 Message-ID: <45FD945C.7060204@fhtw-berlin.de> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:34:52 +0100 From: Thomas C Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin C Almeroth , mobopts Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Mobopts] New ID: Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement] References: <45E74917.6080007@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 Cc: X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: schmidt@fhtw-berlin.de List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Kevin, thanks a lot for the comments: Kevin C Almeroth wrote: > Okay, I took a brief look... so other than some work on the > grammar (which I can help with if you need it), mhmm, we should be able to fix this ... but are very grateful for any pointer or hint. > I think the > major improvement would be to strengthen what you/we/mobopts > thinks are the major things that need to be considered in > designing a mobile multicast solution. > Yes, you're right: there is no roadmap or working perspective, yet. This is what we should discuss in the meeting next week: up until now we tried to identify/describe the problem and the solution space as clearly as possible, no conclusions from that. > Some additional thoughts: > > 1. Multicast, as it turns out, has been tremendously successful. > Not as a ubiquitous, public Internet IP service, but as a > private, enterprise-based service. What this says is that > individual wireless/mobile networks will need to provide wireless, > but the need to connect to a global infrastructure may be somewhat > limited. > Yes and perhaps, I'd like to state ;) Interdomain ASM suffers from technical complexity and there is reasonable anxiety to promote DDOS by offering ASM beyond site limits. This may change with SSM and there are many attempts to establish group distribution services on the application layer ... so there is a need. > 2. One of the problems why mobile multicast hasn't taken off is > that there isn't a need... yet. Furthermore, there really isn't > really mobile networking taking place, at least not with seamless > handovers. Do you have any experience with anyone running a > real MIPv6 deployment? If such a deployment doesn't exist and > seamless handovers don't exist, what is the need for seamless > multicast handover? Yes, this is a hen/egg problem. But we are all optimistic to see seamless (F/M-)MIPv6 services spread ... ... but you're right: just returned from Cebit I saw tunnel-based mobility proposals/prototypes aiming just to avoid mobile IP. > Maybe we should start with something > simple, which is just a multicast solution that works in > wireless networks. Sure, existing protocols work, but are > there things that should be changed to better support multicast? > D'accord - this most likely is the attempt of a deployment-centric step following the problem statement. > I'm sorry I won't be in Prague to see the presentation... I > think there is a real opportunity to do something valuable here > (as opposed to a solution that looks good on paper but no one > cares about or deploys). > Thanks - we'll try our best ... See you in Copenhagen then thomas _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Mon Mar 19 04:24:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTDA6-00071l-4z; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 04:24:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTDA4-00071g-Am for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 04:24:12 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.168]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTDA3-000801-15 for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 04:24:12 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so1636339uge for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:24:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WNTlG3khC+Q+hQUlXxlt7jRKYEY6/sAblkpSy4bDh//jTRliOKJqdHmV6UU9uLnP0dH5It/Jo5pN87mRRKYx9IYhTkmZzqsd1o2rA6KTm80C791FnFN/YMxYYy1w5YDTFakQIXzNw/f/A5Z4TvRmw5hJQ4n7if2AcKeNdB8rGBI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NzqAEz1emF4IIM2b1ulPEV+hm5eHg1nIBArcXkUcfA5it0nPNo0QWPxw9erYV0/kYHmcxFWH30gxi6WsdAtPE8NOpP6G1WODQajss+/w5HOuMc18lKfhjIZrDBHIm00W+TTmGh5ejpaZQaEVlFo6awtDoNbuwya0CWu6OSB3eh8= Received: by 10.66.252.4 with SMTP id z4mr9451705ugh.1174292650164; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.255.2 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:24:10 -0700 From: "Clint Chaplin" To: "Rajeev Koodli" Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Dinner on Thursday evening In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: "mobopts@irtf.org" X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org I might be interested.... On 3/15/07, Rajeev Koodli wrote: > > Hello folks, > > I would like to get together for dinner and informal discussion. > Let's meet at 7.45 pm around the hotel lobby on Thursday. > Please let me know if you would like to attend. > > Regards, > > -Rajeev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mobopts mailing list > Mobopts@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts > -- Clint (JOATMON) Chaplin Principal Engineer Corporate Standardization (US) SISA _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Mon Mar 19 12:32:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTKlz-0005Pg-Da; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:31:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTKlx-0005Gs-PE for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:31:49 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.170] helo=mgw-ext11.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTKlu-00063Q-8d for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:31:49 -0400 Received: from esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh108.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.145]) by mgw-ext11.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l2JGVKDc011617 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:31:44 +0200 Received: from daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.111]) by esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:31:23 +0200 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:31:22 -0500 Received: from 10.241.58.177 ([10.241.58.177]) by daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:31:22 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:31:24 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli To: "mobopts@irtf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Agenda reminder Thread-Index: AcdqRAi4R4NSFdY3EdudqwAWy5YJpw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2007 16:31:22.0330 (UTC) FILETIME=[07BA03A0:01C76A44] X-eXpurgate-Category: 1/0 X-eXpurgate-ID: 149371::070319183144-2D0C4BB0-1A4F3B70/0-0/0-1 X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Subject: [Mobopts] Agenda reminder X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Folks, The printed agenda still shows Tuesday for the meeting. Just a reminder that the meeting is on Thursday 9am. Regards, -Rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Mon Mar 19 12:53:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTL6k-00079A-1z; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:53:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTL6j-00078t-20 for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:53:17 -0400 Received: from [2001:418:1403:0:212:17ff:fe52:7811] (helo=toshi17.tari.toshiba.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTL6h-0001pj-N8 for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:53:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (toshi17.tari.toshiba.com [172.30.24.10]) by toshi17.tari.toshiba.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2JGqT88046437; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:52:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from yohba@tari.toshiba.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:52:28 -0400 To: Rajeev Koodli Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Agenda reminder Message-ID: <20070319165228.GC11771@steelhead> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Yoshihiro Ohba X-Dispatcher: imput version 20050308(IM148) Lines: 24 X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: "mobopts@irtf.org" X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org This is the latest draft for agenda item 6: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-framework-04.txt Yoshihiro Ohba On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:31:24AM -0700, Rajeev Koodli wrote: > > Folks, > > The printed agenda still shows Tuesday for the meeting. > > Just a reminder that the meeting is on Thursday 9am. > > Regards, > > -Rajeev > > > _______________________________________________ > Mobopts mailing list > Mobopts@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts > _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Mon Mar 19 14:44:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMqA-0001pv-Vs; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:44:18 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMqA-0001pq-Dh for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:44:18 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTMpl-00062H-6O for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:44:18 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-1669.ietf68.org [130.129.22.105]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9481913CF81; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:43:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45FED9E6.2090207@netlab.nec.de> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:43:50 +0100 From: Telemaco Melia User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mobopts@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Agenda reminder References: <20070319165228.GC11771@steelhead> In-Reply-To: <20070319165228.GC11771@steelhead> X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b2809b6f39decc6de467dcf252f42af1 Cc: X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1867112376==" Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1867112376== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020203000408050705020608" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020203000408050705020608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And this is the link for point 9: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-corujo-ps-common-interfaces-lmm-00.txt telemaco Yoshihiro Ohba wrote: > This is the latest draft for agenda item 6: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-framework-04.txt > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:31:24AM -0700, Rajeev Koodli wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> The printed agenda still shows Tuesday for the meeting. >> >> Just a reminder that the meeting is on Thursday 9am. >> >> Regards, >> >> -Rajeev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mobopts mailing list >> Mobopts@irtf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Mobopts mailing list > Mobopts@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts > -- Telemaco Melia telemaco.melia@netlab.nec.de Research Staff Member Tel: +49 (0) 6221 4342- 142 Network Laboratories Fax: +49 (0) 6221 4342- 155 NEC Europe Ltd. Web: http://www.netlab.nec.de Network Laboratories Kurfuersten-Anlage 36 69115 Heidelberg GERMANY NEC Europe Limited | Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL | Registered in England 2832014 --------------020203000408050705020608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And this is the link for point 9:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-corujo-ps-common-interfaces-lmm-00.txt

telemaco

Yoshihiro Ohba wrote: 
This is the latest draft for agenda item 6:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-framework-04.txt

Yoshihiro Ohba

On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:31:24AM -0700, Rajeev Koodli wrote:
  
Folks,

The printed agenda still shows Tuesday for the meeting.

Just a reminder that the meeting is on Thursday 9am.

Regards,

-Rajeev


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--------------020203000408050705020608-- --===============1867112376== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts --===============1867112376==-- From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Mar 21 05:20:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTwza-0005Aw-8t; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:20:26 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTwzY-0005Ab-DF for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:20:24 -0400 Received: from tmailer.gwdg.de ([134.76.10.23]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTwzT-0007HZ-QY for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:20:24 -0400 Received: from s5.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de ([134.76.81.25] helo=[172.22.0.58]) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1HTwzI-0004Hq-Q4; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:20:08 +0100 Message-ID: <4600F8C7.6050203@cs.uni-goettingen.de> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:20:07 +0100 From: Xiaoming Fu Organization: University of Goettingen, Germany User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hipsec-rg@listserv.cybertrust.com, mobopts@irtf.org, dtn-interest@mailman.dtnrg.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated: Id:xfu X-Spam-Level: - X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b2809b6f39decc6de467dcf252f42af1 Cc: Subject: [Mobopts] Final CFP for MobiArch at SIGCOMM'07: submission deadline extension to April 3 X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Dear colleagues, Please find below a CFP for the MobiArch'07 workshop at SIGCOMM'07 and your consideration of submissions and further dissemination are highly appreciated. We apologize if you receive multiple copies of this CFP. Yours sincerely, MobiArch'07 organizers Important dates: Registration of authors and abstract: (extended to) March 27, 2007 Submission deadline: (extended to) April 3, 2007 (FIRM!) Notification of acceptance: May 22, 2007 Camera ready version due: June 17, 2007 Workshop date: Monday, August 27, 2007 -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Second International Workshop on Mobility in the Evolving Internet Architecture (MobiArch 2007) Kyoto, Japan, August 27, 2007 Sponsored by ACM SIGCOMM In-Cooperation with ACM SIGMOBILE (to be held with ACM SIGCOMM 2007, August 27-31, 2007) http://user.informatik.uni-goettingen.de/~mobiarch/2007 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Call for Papers: =============== With the recent development of technologies in wireless access and mobile devices, user, terminal, and network mobility has become an indispensable component of today's Internet vision, and it is likely to continue in the near future, while affecting the whole architectural design of the future Internet. Yet, issues like efficient mobility management and optimization, locator-identifier split, multihoming, security, and related operational/deployment concerns are still in their early stages of development. Moreover, the Internet architecture, its end-to-end principles, and business models will require rethinking due to the massive penetration of mobility into the Internet. MobiArch'07 welcomes submissions, from both researchers and practitioners, in exploration of recent advances in architectures, protocols, and experiences with emerging technologies on wireless and mobility over the Internet, with an emphasis on wireless infrastructures and mobility patterns for mobility support, new mobility protocols, service discovery, routing and location management, mobile network performance evaluation and modeling, multi-homing, security, architectural impacts and deployment considerations. Topics of Interest: ================== Topics of MobiArch’07 cover all aspects of architectural issues and system support for wireless and mobility in the Internet, including but not limited to: - Impacts of new wireless technologies/services and mobility patterns on the Internet architecture - Architectures and protocols for mobility support in the Internet, ranging from approaches in link, network, transport to session/application layers and cross-layer design - Location management, positioning and data management systems for wireless and mobility - Routing and addressing, including locator/identifier split issues and their impacts to the Internet architecture - IP multihoming including flow distribution and load sharing for wireless and mobility - Performance evaluation, experimentation and modeling of mobility in the Internet - Accounting, access control, security and privacy issues and impacts to Internet architecture - Economic, scalability and deployment issues of mobility infrastructure design - Mechanisms and issues with connecting developing regions into the Internet Following the success of MobiArch'06, the MobiArch'07 workshop will be a single-track one-day workshop. Early stages, position papers, systems and measurement papers will be particularly welcome. The proceedings will be published by the ACM and ACM digital library. Submissions: =========== Submissions must be made to MobiArch'07 EDAS entry: http://edas.info/5238, following the guidelines in MobiArch'07 webpage: http://user.informatik.uni-goettingen.de/~mobiarch/2007 PROGRAM CO-CHAIRS ================= Xiaoming Fu, University of Goettingen (Germany) Katherine Guo, Bell Labs (USA) Sue Moon, KAIST (Korea) Ryuji Wakikawa, Keio University (Japan) PROGRAM COMMITTEE ================= Rui Aguiar, Universidade de Aveiro (Portugal) Jari Arkko, Ericsson (Finland) Song Chong, KAIST (Korea) Lars Eggert, NEC Europe Labs (Germany) Joseph Evans, U. Kansas (USA) Serge Fdida, University Pierre & Marie Curie (Paris 6) (France) Ivano Guardini, Telecom Italia Lab (IT) Seung-Jae Han, Yonsei U (Korea) Rajeev Koodli, Nokia Research Center (USA) Stefan Mangold, Swisscom (Switzerland) Thomas Noel, Universite Strasbourg (France) Joerg Ott, Helsinki U of Techology (Finland) Charles Perkins, Nokia Research Center (USA) Injong Rhee, NC State University (USA) Henning Schulzrinne, Columbia U. (USA) Peter Steenkiste, CMU (USA) Hideaki Sunahara, NARA Inst. of Sci. & Tech. (Japan) Fumio Teraoka, Keio U. (Japan) Hannes Tschofenig, Siemens (Germany) Andras Veres, Ericsson (Hungary) Kenichi Yamazaki, NTT Docomo (Japan) Lixia Zhang, UCLA (USA) Yongguang Zhang, Microsoft Research Asia (China) PUBLICITY CHAIR =============== Jon Crowcroft, University of Cambridge (UK) QUESTIONS ========= Please consult the Program Co-Chairs (mobiarch@informatik.uni-goettingen.de) if you are uncertain whether your paper falls within the scope of the workshop. _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Mar 21 05:39:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTxHZ-00071X-39; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:39:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTxHX-00071S-Vb for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:38:59 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.172] helo=mgw-ext13.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTxHL-000647-Ew for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:38:59 -0400 Received: from esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh108.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.145]) by mgw-ext13.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l2L9cZ5R002234 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:38:45 +0200 Received: from daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.111]) by esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:38:32 +0200 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:38:30 -0500 Received: from 10.241.58.117 ([10.241.58.117]) by daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:38:30 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:38:36 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli To: "mobopts@irtf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Slides Thread-Index: AcdrnLKr8QacYNePEdudqwAWy5YJpw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2007 09:38:30.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF3D7860:01C76B9C] X-eXpurgate-Category: 1/0 X-eXpurgate-ID: 149371::070321113845-06982BB0-69D09BC1/0-0/0-1 X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Subject: [Mobopts] Slides X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi, All the presenters for tomorrow's meeting: please send me your slides. Thanks, -Rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Mar 22 06:14:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUKIt-00041S-Mv; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 06:13:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUKIs-00041M-SD for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 06:13:54 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUKIr-0008H2-9b for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 06:13:54 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-1669.ietf68.org [130.129.22.105]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6352C13CF81; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:13:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <460256E3.5000400@netlab.nec.de> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:13:55 +0100 From: Telemaco Melia User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Agenda reminder References: <20070319165228.GC11771@steelhead> In-Reply-To: <20070319165228.GC11771@steelhead> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8f374d0786b25a451ef87d82c076f593 Cc: "mobopts@irtf.org" X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1751720553==" Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1751720553== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080402080305010600030206" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080402080305010600030206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Yoshi for the presentation. I think the use of MPA for inter-domain HO is a good possibility and I support the work. In your slides you mention the potential use of 802.21. Do you foresee potential changes to the transport solution the DT in mipshop is currently working on? regards, telemaco Yoshihiro Ohba wrote: > This is the latest draft for agenda item 6: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-framework-04.txt > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:31:24AM -0700, Rajeev Koodli wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> The printed agenda still shows Tuesday for the meeting. >> >> Just a reminder that the meeting is on Thursday 9am. >> >> Regards, >> >> -Rajeev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mobopts mailing list >> Mobopts@irtf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Mobopts mailing list > Mobopts@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts > -- Telemaco Melia telemaco.melia@netlab.nec.de Research Staff Member Tel: +49 (0) 6221 4342- 142 Network Laboratories Fax: +49 (0) 6221 4342- 155 NEC Europe Ltd. Web: http://www.netlab.nec.de Network Laboratories Kurfuersten-Anlage 36 69115 Heidelberg GERMANY NEC Europe Limited | Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL | Registered in England 2832014 --------------080402080305010600030206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Yoshi for the presentation.

I think the use of MPA for inter-domain HO is  a good possibility and I support the work.
In your slides you mention the potential use of 802.21. Do you foresee potential changes to the
transport solution the DT in mipshop is currently working on?


regards,
telemaco

Yoshihiro Ohba wrote: 
This is the latest draft for agenda item 6:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-framework-04.txt

Yoshihiro Ohba

On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:31:24AM -0700, Rajeev Koodli wrote:
  
Folks,

The printed agenda still shows Tuesday for the meeting.

Just a reminder that the meeting is on Thursday 9am.

Regards,

-Rajeev


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--------------080402080305010600030206-- --===============1751720553== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts --===============1751720553==-- From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Mar 22 08:45:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUMg1-00031h-Hv; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:45:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUMg0-00031W-DY for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:45:56 -0400 Received: from [2001:418:1403:0:212:17ff:fe52:7811] (helo=toshi17.tari.toshiba.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUMfk-0004YU-VN for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:45:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (toshi17.tari.toshiba.com [172.30.24.10]) by toshi17.tari.toshiba.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MCjL2f062005; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:45:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from yohba@tari.toshiba.com) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:45:21 -0400 To: Telemaco Melia Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Agenda reminder Message-ID: <20070322124521.GI3439@steelhead> References: <20070319165228.GC11771@steelhead> <460256E3.5000400@netlab.nec.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <460256E3.5000400@netlab.nec.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Yoshihiro Ohba X-Dispatcher: imput version 20050308(IM148) Lines: 69 X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Cc: "mobopts@irtf.org" X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 11:13:55AM +0100, Telemaco Melia wrote: > Thanks Yoshi for the presentation. > > I think the use of MPA for inter-domain HO is a good possibility and I > support the work. Thank you for supporting. > In your slides you mention the potential use of 802.21. Do you foresee > potential changes to the > transport solution the DT in mipshop is currently working on? MPA co-existence with 802.21 should not affect MIH transport design. Yoshihiro Ohba > > > regards, > telemaco > > Yoshihiro Ohba wrote: > > This is the latest draft for agenda item 6: > > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-framework-04.txt > > > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:31:24AM -0700, Rajeev Koodli wrote: > > > >> Folks, > >> > >> The printed agenda still shows Tuesday for the meeting. > >> > >> Just a reminder that the meeting is on Thursday 9am. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> -Rajeev > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mobopts mailing list > >> Mobopts@irtf.org > >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mobopts mailing list > > Mobopts@irtf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts > > > > > -- > Telemaco Melia telemaco.melia@netlab.nec.de > Research Staff Member Tel: +49 (0) 6221 4342- 142 > Network Laboratories Fax: +49 (0) 6221 4342- 155 > NEC Europe Ltd. Web: http://www.netlab.nec.de > Network Laboratories > Kurfuersten-Anlage 36 > 69115 Heidelberg > GERMANY > > > NEC Europe Limited | Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL | Registered in England 2832014 > _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Mar 22 21:16:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUYNz-0006aO-LM; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:16:07 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUYNy-0006V2-7E for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:16:06 -0400 Received: from email1.etri.re.kr ([129.254.16.131] helo=email1.etri.info) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUYNu-0005mT-KQ for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:16:06 -0400 Received: from etrim ([129.254.112.107]) by email1.etri.info with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:20:56 +0900 From: "Junghoon Jee" To: "'Telemaco Melia'" References: <20070319165228.GC11771@steelhead> <460256E3.5000400@netlab.nec.de> <20070322124521.GI3439@steelhead> In-Reply-To: <20070322124521.GI3439@steelhead> Subject: RE: [Mobopts] Agenda reminder Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:16:00 +0900 Message-ID: <009401c76ce8$d184eaf0$748ec0d0$@re.kr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AcdsgNgRlNcllAXLRd6GxJ2CF56/cQAZ+D1g Content-Language: ko X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2007 01:20:56.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[81958CB0:01C76CE9] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Cc: mobopts@irtf.org X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org > I think the use of MPA for inter-domain HO is a good possibility and I > support the work. +1 Junghoon _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts