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Hello,

I had asked for a review of this draft. Vijay and Kuntal have provided thei=
r
input.
I am forwarding their reviews and Kilian=B9s responses.

Regards,

-Rajeev

------ Forwarded Message
From: ext Vijay Devarapalli <vijay.devarapalli@AzaireNet.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:45:04 -0500
To: "Koodli Rajeev (NSN - US/Palo Alto)" <rajeev.koodli@nokia.com>
Cc: "ext Chowdhury, Kuntal" <kchowdhury@starentnetworks.com>, ext Kilian
Weniger <Kilian.Weniger@eu.panasonic.com>
Conversation: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt
Subject: Re: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt

I looked at this draft again. I have a few concerns.

This draft assumes that the mobile node is able to bootstrap a
home agent close to the CN. This is a *big* assumption since
it is not know what kind of CNs the MN might have sessions with
and if it is possible to always find an ORHA close to the CN.
The draft punts the problem to MIP6 bootstrapping solutions, but
the MIP6 bootstrapping solutions do assume some kind of trust
between the MN and the domain hosting the HA. The bootstrapping
solutions do not assume scenarios where the HAs are selected
from arbitrary domains.

How close is the ORHA to the CN? The ORHA does know the real
CoA of the MN. If the ORHA and the CN are in the same domain
then the CN could potentially get the MN information from the
ORHA.

I also would like to know if this draft belongs in mobopts? To
describe this draft briefly, the solution involves configuring
a home agent (ORHA) close to the CN using MIP6 bootstrapping
solutions and using the ORHA (either through bi-direction
tunneling or using route optimization between the MN and the
ORHA) to route the packets to the CN. If this is the right way
to have Route Optimization with location privacy with a CN,
perhaps it should be taken directly to the MIP6 or MIPSHOP WGs?
Do we want people to experiment with this solution before
standardizing this in the IETF? In fact this solution being
proposed depends more on deployment considerations (having an
ORHA close to the CN).

Vijay

Rajeev Koodli wrote:
> Hi Vijay and Kuntal,
>
> I spoke to you guys about this draft. I am interested in your feedback on
> this draft which proposes to hide the location of a MN from a CN using an
> agent "closer to a CN". Could you please take a look at the draft and let=
 me
> know your thoughts?
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mip6/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Rajeev
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I am forwarding their reviews and Kilian&#8217;s responses.<BR>
<BR>
Regards,<BR>
<BR>
-Rajeev<BR>
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<B>From: </B>ext Vijay Devarapalli &lt;vijay.devarapalli@AzaireNet.com&gt;<=
BR>
<B>Date: </B>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:45:04 -0500<BR>
<B>To: </B>&quot;Koodli Rajeev (NSN - US/Palo Alto)&quot; &lt;rajeev.koodli=
@nokia.com&gt;<BR>
<B>Cc: </B>&quot;ext Chowdhury, Kuntal&quot; &lt;kchowdhury@starentnetworks=
.com&gt;, ext Kilian Weniger &lt;Kilian.Weniger@eu.panasonic.com&gt;<BR>
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<B>Subject: </B>Re: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt<BR>
<BR>
I looked at this draft again. I have a few concerns.<BR>
<BR>
This draft assumes that the mobile node is able to bootstrap a<BR>
home agent close to the CN. This is a *big* assumption since<BR>
it is not know what kind of CNs the MN might have sessions with<BR>
and if it is possible to always find an ORHA close to the CN.<BR>
The draft punts the problem to MIP6 bootstrapping solutions, but<BR>
the MIP6 bootstrapping solutions do assume some kind of trust<BR>
between the MN and the domain hosting the HA. The bootstrapping<BR>
solutions do not assume scenarios where the HAs are selected<BR>
from arbitrary domains.<BR>
<BR>
How close is the ORHA to the CN? The ORHA does know the real<BR>
CoA of the MN. If the ORHA and the CN are in the same domain<BR>
then the CN could potentially get the MN information from the<BR>
ORHA.<BR>
<BR>
I also would like to know if this draft belongs in mobopts? To<BR>
describe this draft briefly, the solution involves configuring<BR>
a home agent (ORHA) close to the CN using MIP6 bootstrapping<BR>
solutions and using the ORHA (either through bi-direction<BR>
tunneling or using route optimization between the MN and the<BR>
ORHA) to route the packets to the CN. If this is the right way<BR>
to have Route Optimization with location privacy with a CN,<BR>
perhaps it should be taken directly to the MIP6 or MIPSHOP WGs?<BR>
Do we want people to experiment with this solution before<BR>
standardizing this in the IETF? In fact this solution being<BR>
proposed depends more on deployment considerations (having an<BR>
ORHA close to the CN).<BR>
<BR>
Vijay<BR>
<BR>
Rajeev Koodli wrote:<BR>
&gt; Hi Vijay and Kuntal,<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; I spoke to you guys about this draft. I am interested in your feedback=
 on<BR>
&gt; this draft which proposes to hide the location of a MN from a CN using=
 an<BR>
&gt; agent &quot;closer to a CN&quot;. Could you please take a look at the =
draft and let me<BR>
&gt; know your thoughts?<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mip6/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlo=
cpriv-01.txt">http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mip6/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnloc=
priv-01.txt</a><BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Thanks,<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; -Rajeev<BR>
&gt;<BR>
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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:07:51 -0500
To: Vijay Devarapalli <vijay.devarapalli@AzaireNet.com>
Cc: "Koodli Rajeev (NSN - US/Palo Alto)" <rajeev.koodli@nokia.com>, "ext
Chowdhury, Kuntal" <kchowdhury@starentnetworks.com>
Conversation: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt
Subject: RE: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt

Hi Vijay,

thanks a lot for taking the time to review the draft!
I really appreciate that and I agree with much of what you said,
however, I couldn't resist to comment on some statements, so please see
some my comments inline.

Furthermore, I'm looking forward to Kuntal's upcoming comments ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vijay Devarapalli [mailto:vijay.devarapalli@AzaireNet.com]
> Sent: Dienstag, 24. April 2007 11:45
> To: Rajeev Koodli
> Cc: ext Chowdhury, Kuntal; ext Kilian Weniger
> Subject: Re: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt
>
> I looked at this draft again. I have a few concerns.
>
> This draft assumes that the mobile node is able to bootstrap a
> home agent close to the CN. This is a *big* assumption since
> it is not know what kind of CNs the MN might have sessions with
> and if it is possible to always find an ORHA close to the CN.

It is true that there are assumptions and that it may not always be
possible to find a ORHA close to the CN, but that all very much depends
on the deployment scenario as you said. Regarding deployment, I think
the number of deployed HAs will increase dramatically in the next years
due to the recent 3GPP, 3GPP2, WiMax etc. developments. Furthermore,
many roaming relationships exist in such networks, that could be
utilized for MIPv6 bootstrapping. So the applicability of
draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt should be very good in such
future networks IMO.

Furthermore, please note that currently there is no other solution
proposed in mobopts that can provide simultaneous location privacy and
RO (to CN) with MIPv6. So this is the best we can do currently. Of
course, everybody is invited to submit a better solution for this
problem (which then probably has other limitations ;).

Anyway, please note that limitations in terms of applicability almost
always exist, sometimes more, sometimes less. For instance, "Using IPsec
between Mobile and Correspondent IPv6 Nodes"
(draft-ietf-mip6-cn-ipsec-04.txt, will be RFC soon) has much bigger
assumptions and is more restricted in terms of applicability than
draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt IMO.

> The draft punts the problem to MIP6 bootstrapping solutions, but
> the MIP6 bootstrapping solutions do assume some kind of trust
> between the MN and the domain hosting the HA. The bootstrapping
> solutions do not assume scenarios where the HAs are selected
> from arbitrary domains.

What do you mean by "arbitrary domains"?

I think the bootstrapping solutions don't make any assumptions about the
location of the domain of the HA (MSP may or may not be co-located with
MSA and may or may not be co-located with ASP), they only make the
assumptions that the necessary trust relationships and AAA
infrastructure are in place. draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt
has exactly the same assumptions (no surprise, since it just uses the
MIPv6 bootstrapping solutions).

What is new is the discovery of a HA located in a domain close to the CN
domain. Many possible solutions to achieve that, e.g., the MN's home
operator/MSA could select and assign an ORHA to the MN that is located
in a domain (MSP) that has the necessary trust relationships with the
MN's home operator (MSA).

>
> How close is the ORHA to the CN?

The closer the ORHA is located to the CN and the path between MN and CN,
the better the routing efficiency. Which ORHA is chosen depends on the
available/deployed ORHAs, the trust relationships and the ORHA selection
mechanism, which all is implementation/operator/deployment specific and
hence out of scope of the draft.

> The ORHA does know the real
> CoA of the MN. If the ORHA and the CN are in the same domain
> then the CN could potentially get the MN information from the
> ORHA.

Can you elaborate on this?

Why should the CN be able to access the BC in the ORHA just because they
are in the same domain? If this would be true, then it would be possible
for every MN to find out the location of any other MN that uses a HA
from the same operator. I don't think this is possible today.

BTW, if this would really be true, then this would be a new MPv6
location privacy issue, which we would have to add to
draft-ietf-mip6-location-privacy-06.txt.

>
> I also would like to know if this draft belongs in mobopts? To
> describe this draft briefly, the solution involves configuring
> a home agent (ORHA) close to the CN using MIP6 bootstrapping
> solutions and using the ORHA (either through bi-direction
> tunneling or using route optimization between the MN and the
> ORHA) to route the packets to the CN. If this is the right way
> to have Route Optimization with location privacy with a CN,
> perhaps it should be taken directly to the MIP6 or MIPSHOP WGs?

As you probably know, MIPv6 location privacy solutions are currently
developed in mobopts and collected in
draft-irtf-mobopts-location-privacy-solutions. Later, the topic is
supposed to be given to MIP6 and MIP6 will standardize probably one or
more of the solutions proposed by mobopts.

What I don't quite understand in your statement is why the solution in
draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt should be handled
differently than the other MIPv6 location privacy solutions ("taken
directly to MIP6 or MIPSHOP"). Why not add the solution in
draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt to the list of solutions in
draft-irtf-mobopts-location-privacy-solutions? Can you please elaborate?


> Do we want people to experiment with this solution before
> standardizing this in the IETF? In fact this solution being

I would support this.

Thanks again,

Kilian


> proposed depends more on deployment considerations (having an
> ORHA close to the CN).
>
> Vijay
>
> Rajeev Koodli wrote:
> > Hi Vijay and Kuntal,
> >
> > I spoke to you guys about this draft. I am interested in
> your feedback on
> > this draft which proposes to hide the location of a MN from
> a CN using an
> > agent "closer to a CN". Could you please take a look at the
> draft and let me
> > know your thoughts?
> >
> >
> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mip6/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnloc
> priv-01.txt
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Rajeev
> >
>
>
>


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<B>From: </B>ext Kilian Weniger &lt;Kilian.Weniger@eu.panasonic.com&gt;<BR>
<B>Date: </B>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:07:51 -0500<BR>
<B>To: </B>Vijay Devarapalli &lt;vijay.devarapalli@AzaireNet.com&gt;<BR>
<B>Cc: </B>&quot;Koodli Rajeev (NSN - US/Palo Alto)&quot; &lt;rajeev.koodli=
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orks.com&gt;<BR>
<B>Conversation: </B>draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt<BR>
<B>Subject: </B>RE: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt<BR>
<BR>
Hi Vijay,<BR>
<BR>
thanks a lot for taking the time to review the draft!<BR>
I really appreciate that and I agree with much of what you said,<BR>
however, I couldn't resist to comment on some statements, so please see<BR>
some my comments inline.<BR>
<BR>
Furthermore, I'm looking forward to Kuntal's upcoming comments ;)<BR>
<BR>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<BR>
&gt; From: Vijay Devarapalli [<a href=3D"mailto:vijay.devarapalli@AzaireNet.c=
om]">mailto:vijay.devarapalli@AzaireNet.com]</a><BR>
&gt; Sent: Dienstag, 24. April 2007 11:45<BR>
&gt; To: Rajeev Koodli<BR>
&gt; Cc: ext Chowdhury, Kuntal; ext Kilian Weniger<BR>
&gt; Subject: Re: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; I looked at this draft again. I have a few concerns.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; This draft assumes that the mobile node is able to bootstrap a<BR>
&gt; home agent close to the CN. This is a *big* assumption since<BR>
&gt; it is not know what kind of CNs the MN might have sessions with<BR>
&gt; and if it is possible to always find an ORHA close to the CN.<BR>
<BR>
It is true that there are assumptions and that it may not always be<BR>
possible to find a ORHA close to the CN, but that all very much depends<BR>
on the deployment scenario as you said. Regarding deployment, I think<BR>
the number of deployed HAs will increase dramatically in the next years<BR>
due to the recent 3GPP, 3GPP2, WiMax etc. developments. Furthermore,<BR>
many roaming relationships exist in such networks, that could be<BR>
utilized for MIPv6 bootstrapping. So the applicability of<BR>
draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt should be very good in such<BR>
future networks IMO.<BR>
<BR>
Furthermore, please note that currently there is no other solution<BR>
proposed in mobopts that can provide simultaneous location privacy and<BR>
RO (to CN) with MIPv6. So this is the best we can do currently. Of<BR>
course, everybody is invited to submit a better solution for this<BR>
problem (which then probably has other limitations ;).<BR>
<BR>
Anyway, please note that limitations in terms of applicability almost<BR>
always exist, sometimes more, sometimes less. For instance, &quot;Using IPs=
ec<BR>
between Mobile and Correspondent IPv6 Nodes&quot;<BR>
(draft-ietf-mip6-cn-ipsec-04.txt, will be RFC soon) has much bigger<BR>
assumptions and is more restricted in terms of applicability than<BR>
draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt IMO.<BR>
<BR>
&gt; The draft punts the problem to MIP6 bootstrapping solutions, but<BR>
&gt; the MIP6 bootstrapping solutions do assume some kind of trust<BR>
&gt; between the MN and the domain hosting the HA. The bootstrapping<BR>
&gt; solutions do not assume scenarios where the HAs are selected<BR>
&gt; from arbitrary domains.<BR>
<BR>
What do you mean by &quot;arbitrary domains&quot;?<BR>
<BR>
I think the bootstrapping solutions don't make any assumptions about the<BR=
>
location of the domain of the HA (MSP may or may not be co-located with<BR>
MSA and may or may not be co-located with ASP), they only make the<BR>
assumptions that the necessary trust relationships and AAA<BR>
infrastructure are in place. draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt<BR=
>
has exactly the same assumptions (no surprise, since it just uses the<BR>
MIPv6 bootstrapping solutions).<BR>
<BR>
What is new is the discovery of a HA located in a domain close to the CN<BR=
>
domain. Many possible solutions to achieve that, e.g., the MN's home<BR>
operator/MSA could select and assign an ORHA to the MN that is located<BR>
in a domain (MSP) that has the necessary trust relationships with the<BR>
MN's home operator (MSA).<BR>
<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; How close is the ORHA to the CN?<BR>
<BR>
The closer the ORHA is located to the CN and the path between MN and CN,<BR=
>
the better the routing efficiency. Which ORHA is chosen depends on the<BR>
available/deployed ORHAs, the trust relationships and the ORHA selection<BR=
>
mechanism, which all is implementation/operator/deployment specific and<BR>
hence out of scope of the draft.<BR>
<BR>
&gt; The ORHA does know the real<BR>
&gt; CoA of the MN. If the ORHA and the CN are in the same domain<BR>
&gt; then the CN could potentially get the MN information from the<BR>
&gt; ORHA.<BR>
<BR>
Can you elaborate on this?<BR>
<BR>
Why should the CN be able to access the BC in the ORHA just because they<BR=
>
are in the same domain? If this would be true, then it would be possible<BR=
>
for every MN to find out the location of any other MN that uses a HA<BR>
from the same operator. I don't think this is possible today.<BR>
<BR>
BTW, if this would really be true, then this would be a new MPv6<BR>
location privacy issue, which we would have to add to<BR>
draft-ietf-mip6-location-privacy-06.txt.<BR>
<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; I also would like to know if this draft belongs in mobopts? To<BR>
&gt; describe this draft briefly, the solution involves configuring<BR>
&gt; a home agent (ORHA) close to the CN using MIP6 bootstrapping<BR>
&gt; solutions and using the ORHA (either through bi-direction<BR>
&gt; tunneling or using route optimization between the MN and the<BR>
&gt; ORHA) to route the packets to the CN. If this is the right way<BR>
&gt; to have Route Optimization with location privacy with a CN,<BR>
&gt; perhaps it should be taken directly to the MIP6 or MIPSHOP WGs?<BR>
<BR>
As you probably know, MIPv6 location privacy solutions are currently<BR>
developed in mobopts and collected in<BR>
draft-irtf-mobopts-location-privacy-solutions. Later, the topic is<BR>
supposed to be given to MIP6 and MIP6 will standardize probably one or<BR>
more of the solutions proposed by mobopts.<BR>
<BR>
What I don't quite understand in your statement is why the solution in<BR>
draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt should be handled<BR>
differently than the other MIPv6 location privacy solutions (&quot;taken<BR=
>
directly to MIP6 or MIPSHOP&quot;). Why not add the solution in<BR>
draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt to the list of solutions in<BR>
draft-irtf-mobopts-location-privacy-solutions? Can you please elaborate?<BR=
>
<BR>
<BR>
&gt; Do we want people to experiment with this solution before<BR>
&gt; standardizing this in the IETF? In fact this solution being<BR>
<BR>
I would support this.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks again,<BR>
<BR>
Kilian<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
&gt; proposed depends more on deployment considerations (having an<BR>
&gt; ORHA close to the CN).<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Vijay<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Rajeev Koodli wrote:<BR>
&gt; &gt; Hi Vijay and Kuntal,<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; &gt; I spoke to you guys about this draft. I am interested in<BR>
&gt; your feedback on<BR>
&gt; &gt; this draft which proposes to hide the location of a MN from<BR>
&gt; a CN using an<BR>
&gt; &gt; agent &quot;closer to a CN&quot;. Could you please take a look at=
 the<BR>
&gt; draft and let me<BR>
&gt; &gt; know your thoughts?<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mip6/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlo=
c">http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mip6/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnloc</a><BR>
&gt; priv-01.txt<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; &gt; Thanks,<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; &gt; -Rajeev<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
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Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 04:57:34 -0500
To: "Chowdhury, Kuntal" <kchowdhury@starentnetworks.com>, "Koodli Rajeev
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Cc: ext Vijay Devarapalli <vijay.devarapalli@azairenet.com>
Conversation: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt
Subject: RE: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt

Hi Kuntal,

thanks a lot for the detailed review, your comments will certainly
improve the draft.

Please find some comments inline in the attached document (tagged
"KW>").

Thanks,

Kilian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chowdhury, Kuntal [mailto:kchowdhury@starentnetworks.com]
> Sent: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2007 17:08
> To: Rajeev Koodli; ext Kilian Weniger
> Cc: ext Vijay Devarapalli
> Subject: RE: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt
>
> Hello Rajeev, Kilian,
>
> I reviewed the I-D and inserted my comments "tagged KC>". Please see
> attached. Sorry, it took me a while to review it.
>
> BR,
> Kuntal
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rajeev Koodli [mailto:rajeev.koodli@nokia.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:07 PM
> > To: ext Vijay Devarapalli; Chowdhury, Kuntal
> > Cc: ext Kilian Weniger
> > Subject: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt
> >
> >
> > Hi Vijay and Kuntal,
> >
> > I spoke to you guys about this draft. I am interested in
> your feedback
> on
> > this draft which proposes to hide the location of a MN from
> a CN using
> an
> > agent "closer to a CN". Could you please take a look at the
> draft and
> let
> > me
> > know your thoughts?
> >
> >
> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mip6/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnloc
> priv-01.tx
> t
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Rajeev
>
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Hi Kuntal,<BR>
<BR>
thanks a lot for the detailed review, your comments will certainly<BR>
improve the draft.<BR>
<BR>
Please find some comments inline in the attached document (tagged<BR>
&quot;KW&gt;&quot;).<BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
<BR>
Kilian<BR>
<BR>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<BR>
&gt; From: Chowdhury, Kuntal [<a href=3D"mailto:kchowdhury@starentnetworks.co=
m]">mailto:kchowdhury@starentnetworks.com]</a><BR>
&gt; Sent: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2007 17:08<BR>
&gt; To: Rajeev Koodli; ext Kilian Weniger<BR>
&gt; Cc: ext Vijay Devarapalli<BR>
&gt; Subject: RE: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Hello Rajeev, Kilian,<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; I reviewed the I-D and inserted my comments &quot;tagged KC&gt;&quot;.=
 Please see<BR>
&gt; attached. Sorry, it took me a while to review it.<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; BR,<BR>
&gt; Kuntal<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----<BR>
&gt; &gt; From: Rajeev Koodli [<a href=3D"mailto:rajeev.koodli@nokia.com]">ma=
ilto:rajeev.koodli@nokia.com]</a><BR>
&gt; &gt; Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:07 PM<BR>
&gt; &gt; To: ext Vijay Devarapalli; Chowdhury, Kuntal<BR>
&gt; &gt; Cc: ext Kilian Weniger<BR>
&gt; &gt; Subject: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; &gt; Hi Vijay and Kuntal,<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; &gt; I spoke to you guys about this draft. I am interested in<BR>
&gt; your feedback<BR>
&gt; on<BR>
&gt; &gt; this draft which proposes to hide the location of a MN from<BR>
&gt; a CN using<BR>
&gt; an<BR>
&gt; &gt; agent &quot;closer to a CN&quot;. Could you please take a look at=
 the<BR>
&gt; draft and<BR>
&gt; let<BR>
&gt; &gt; me<BR>
&gt; &gt; know your thoughts?<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mip6/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlo=
c">http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mip6/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnloc</a><BR>
&gt; priv-01.tx<BR>
&gt; t<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; &gt; Thanks,<BR>
&gt; &gt;<BR>
&gt; &gt; -Rajeev<BR>
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From: "ext Chowdhury, Kuntal" <kchowdhury@starentnetworks.com>
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:07:30 -0500
To: "Koodli Rajeev (NSN - US/Palo Alto)" <rajeev.koodli@nokia.com>, ext
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Subject: RE: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt

Hello Rajeev, Kilian,

I reviewed the I-D and inserted my comments "tagged KC>". Please see
attached. Sorry, it took me a while to review it.

BR,
Kuntal


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rajeev Koodli [mailto:rajeev.koodli@nokia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:07 PM
> To: ext Vijay Devarapalli; Chowdhury, Kuntal
> Cc: ext Kilian Weniger
> Subject: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt
>
>
> Hi Vijay and Kuntal,
>
> I spoke to you guys about this draft. I am interested in your feedback
on
> this draft which proposes to hide the location of a MN from a CN using
an
> agent "closer to a CN". Could you please take a look at the draft and
let
> me
> know your thoughts?
>
>
http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mip6/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.tx
t
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Rajeev


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<B>Date: </B>Wed, 2 May 2007 10:07:30 -0500<BR>
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Hello Rajeev, Kilian,<BR>
<BR>
I reviewed the I-D and inserted my comments &quot;tagged KC&gt;&quot;. Plea=
se see<BR>
attached. Sorry, it took me a while to review it.<BR>
<BR>
BR,<BR>
Kuntal<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<BR>
&gt; From: Rajeev Koodli [<a href=3D"mailto:rajeev.koodli@nokia.com]">mailto:=
rajeev.koodli@nokia.com]</a><BR>
&gt; Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:07 PM<BR>
&gt; To: ext Vijay Devarapalli; Chowdhury, Kuntal<BR>
&gt; Cc: ext Kilian Weniger<BR>
&gt; Subject: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-01.txt<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; Hi Vijay and Kuntal,<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; I spoke to you guys about this draft. I am interested in your feedback=
<BR>
on<BR>
&gt; this draft which proposes to hide the location of a MN from a CN using=
<BR>
an<BR>
&gt; agent &quot;closer to a CN&quot;. Could you please take a look at the =
draft and<BR>
let<BR>
&gt; me<BR>
&gt; know your thoughts?<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mip6/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv=
-01.tx">http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mip6/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-0=
1.tx</a><BR>
t<BR>
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&gt;<BR>
&gt; Thanks,<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt; -Rajeev<BR>
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Hi Rajeev,
  Sorry for the late reply. I am on vacation and checking mail very =
irregularly. Thanks for the offer to take up the problem work in =
mobopts. I was not sure whether the solution space falls within the =
purview of mobopts.
=20
Thanks
Suresh

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Hi Suresh,

Good to see interest on this topic.

As you may be aware, MobOpts has been looking into this topic for a =
while
now. draft-schmidt-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt is a good document
illustrating the problems and existing approaches to solving them, with
about 50 references. This is adopted as the RG document.

I think we will have interesting work to do starting with the problem
description (with possibly more than one work item). It would be good to
have the interests channeled together for maximum benefit.

MobOpts has also been successful in handing over relatively mature =
topics to
IETF WGs when it makes sense. This is also something we can investigate =
on
this topic.

Regards,

-Rajeev



On 4/22/07 11:45 PM, "ext Suresh Krishnan (QB/EMC)"
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> Hi Folks,
>=20
> We wanted to inform you that we have created a new mailing list in =
order
> to discuss the interactions occuring between mobility and multicast. =
We
> invite anyone interested in contributing to the work to subscribe and
> collaborate. To register visit the list page at:
>=20
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob
>=20
> Several of you have expressed interest in this work and some documents
> already exist without a home working group.
>=20
> The primary problem that we foresee being discussed in the mailing =
list
> is issues with Multicast listener (receiver) mobility for multicast
> routing. There are several other associated problems like sender
> mobility, which can also be discussed.
>=20
> Thanks
> Suresh and Behcet
>
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Hi,

I updated the draft based on the reviews and recent discussions (see
below). Further comments are very welcome.

BR,

Kilian


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=20
directories.


	Title		: MIPv6 Correspondent Node-Targeted Location
Privacy and Optimized Routing
	Author(s)	: K. Weniger
	Filename	: draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-02.txt
	Pages		: 18
	Date		: 2007-5-23
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This draft discusses the problem of correspondent node-targeted
   location privacy in Mobile IPv6 and proposes a mechanism to achieve
   simultaneous optimized routing and strong correspondent node-targeted
   location privacy.  The mechanism utilizes the MIPv6 bootstrapping
   mechanisms and does neither require any new network entities nor
   changes to home agent or correspondent node implementations.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv
-02.txt

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Hi all,

we submitted the first version of the RG ID of the problem statement
draft on extending Multicast to Mobility.

It should be in the ID directory soon and can immediatly be downloaded
under:

http://www.realmv6.org/papers/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-00.txt


As we are preparing for an extension regarding layer 2 issues for Chicago:

      Does anybody have (or have a pointer to) *802.16 Wimax*
      point-to-multipoint experiments resp. measurements?


Details:

        Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement and Brief Survey
               <draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-00.txt>

Abstract

      In this document we discuss mobility extensions to current IP layer
    multicast solutions. Problems arising from mobile group communication
    in general, in the case of multicast listener mobility and for mobile
    Any Source Multicast as well as Source Specific Multicast senders are
    documented. Characteristic aspects of multicast routing and
    deployment issues are summarized. The principal approaches to the
    multicast mobility problems are outlined subsequently.


The new document contains a number of clarification, language fixes and
minor additions.

Looking forward to your hints & discussions!

See you in Chicago,

thomas




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