From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Jul 04 00:47:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I5wlZ-0000DX-LZ; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:47:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I5wlY-0000DN-6k for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:47:00 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.172] helo=mgw-ext13.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I5wlT-00076r-Nv for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:47:00 -0400 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext13.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l644kkiH019553 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:46:53 +0300 Received: from daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.111]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:46:48 +0300 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:46:46 -0500 Received: from 10.162.252.162 ([10.162.252.162]) by daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 04:46:46 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:48:05 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli To: "mobopts@irtf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Presentations at MobOpts meeting in Chicago Thread-Index: Ace99oJbwNJSxCnpEdywIQAWy5YJpw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2007 04:46:46.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[53CEBA50:01C7BDF6] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Subject: [Mobopts] Presentations at MobOpts meeting in Chicago X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hello folks, We are meeting again for 2.5 hours. Please let me know if you would like to present at the meeting with the following information: Title of your talk Time needed, and A URL(s) to your document Thanks, -Rajeev -- http://people.nokia.net/~rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Jul 04 04:02:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I5zog-0000zx-CJ; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 04:02:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I5zoe-0000rS-QD for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 04:02:24 -0400 Received: from ajax.nicta.com.au ([203.143.174.76]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I5zoZ-0000q9-7R for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 04:02:24 -0400 Received: from nicta-atp-mail.in.nicta.com.au ([129.94.151.12]) by ajax.nicta.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I5znZ-0002It-Gl; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:01:21 +1000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6619.12 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7BE11.A2751DC9" Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:02:15 +1000 Message-ID: <09D3F703EF3B0A4CBE28449EA9F3D32005D0DA39@nicta-atp-mail.in.nicta.com.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Mobopts] Presentations at MobOpts meeting in Chicago Thread-Index: Ace99oJbwNJSxCnpEdywIQAWy5YJpwAFURlg From: "Eranga Perera" To: "Rajeev Koodli" , X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 129.94.151.12 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: Eranga.Perera@nicta.com.au X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-26) on ajax.nicta.com.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=16.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.4 Subject: RE: [Mobopts] Presentations at MobOpts meeting in Chicago X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on ajax.nicta.com.au) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fcb459c204557d9509ce9c1b55d771f1 Cc: "BLUME, Oliver" , M.Georgiades@surrey.ac.uk, jochen.eisl@nsn.com, eleanor.hepworth@roke.co.uk X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7BE11.A2751DC9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rajeev/All, We have submitted a draft on "Motivation for Context Aware Mobility" I'd like to have a 1/2 hr time slot to spur some thoughts on this and see how this working group can work towards shaping mobility solutions to use "context" in a broader sense and in a consistent manner. Attached is the draft we submitted. Thanks, Eranga=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rajeev Koodli [mailto:rajeev.koodli@nokia.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2007 2:48 PM > To: mobopts@irtf.org > Subject: [Mobopts] Presentations at MobOpts meeting in Chicago >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hello folks, >=20 > We are meeting again for 2.5 hours. 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b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: Subject: [Mobopts] [Fwd: WGLC for draft-ietf-dna-protocol-06.txt] X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Folks, We would like to hear your comments on this document as well. This document is a significant update to ipv6 neighbor discovery and we would like some more eyeballs. Please spare some time from your busy schedule to give it a look. Thanks Suresh -------- Original Message -------- Subject: WGLC for draft-ietf-dna-protocol-06.txt Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:47:24 -0400 From: Suresh Krishnan To: Dna CC: Greg Daley , Jari Arkko This mail starts a 2 week working group Last Call for comments for the following dna working group document draft-ietf-dna-protocol-06.txt to be sent to the IESG for consideration as a Standards Track RFC. Please review the document carefully, and send your feedback to the list. Please also indicate whether or not you believe that this document is ready to go to the IESG. The last call will end on 2007/07/18. Cheers Suresh & Greg _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Jul 11 13:41:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8gBZ-0000yX-F4; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:41:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8gBX-0000yP-Iy for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:41:07 -0400 Received: from [2001:418:1403:0:212:17ff:fe52:7811] (helo=toshi17.tari.toshiba.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8gBW-0008M7-85 for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:41:07 -0400 Received: from steelhead.localdomain (tarij-95.tari.toshiba.com [172.30.24.143]) by toshi17.tari.toshiba.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6BHeCfA051447; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:40:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from yohba@tari.toshiba.com) Received: from ohba by steelhead.localdomain with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1I8gAZ-00056R-02; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:40:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:40:06 -0400 To: mobopts@irtf.org Message-ID: <20070711174006.GF18741@steelhead.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Yoshihiro Ohba X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Subject: [Mobopts] MPA drafts are updated X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi, Revised versions of MPA drafts are submitted: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-framework-05.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-implementation-04.txt Especially, mpa-framework draft was revised to focus on it's applicability to inter-domain handover optimization. Best Regards, Yoshihiro Ohba _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Jul 12 12:59:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I920d-0004j7-Nf; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:59:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I920b-0004iz-UX for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:59:17 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.172] helo=mgw-ext13.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I920X-0002oU-Dj for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:59:17 -0400 Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext13.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6CGx9EU024502 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:59:11 +0300 Received: from daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.112]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:59:08 +0300 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:59:08 -0500 Received: from 10.241.59.129 ([10.241.59.129]) by daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:59:07 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:59:07 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli To: "mobopts@irtf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Meeting Agenda Thread-Index: AcfEpfVzM9hrTDCZEdy+wAAWy5YJpw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2007 16:59:08.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[F629A200:01C7C4A5] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Subject: [Mobopts] Meeting Agenda X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hello folks, Below is the agenda for the meeting at Chicago. This time we have good time to discuss at length each of the topics. 1. Introduction, document status, Rajeev 5 minutes 2. Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement and Brief Survey, Thomas Schmidt, 30 minutes draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-00.txt 3. A Framework of Media-independent Pre-Authentication (MPA) for Inter-domain Handover Optimization, Yoshihiro Ohba, 30 minutes http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-framework-05.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-implementation-04 .txt 4. On the performance trends and trade-offs of MIH L3 transport, Nada Golmie, 30 minutes 5. Motivation for Context Aware Mobility, Eranga Perera, 30 minutes, draft-perera-mobopts-motivation-CAM-00.txt Best, -Rajeev -- http://people.nokia.net/~rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Jul 18 06:12:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IB6Vv-0005MX-Ud; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:12:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IB6Vt-0005Hd-7a; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:12:09 -0400 Received: from mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de ([141.45.5.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IB6Vs-0003VZ-GL; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:12:09 -0400 Received: from e178186216.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.186.216] helo=[192.168.178.20]) by mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1IB6Vr-000Aqc-Kf; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:12:07 +0200 Message-ID: <469DE83A.7050107@fhtw-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:15:22 +0200 From: Thomas C Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobopts , mipshop , multimob@ietf.org, sam@irtf.org, Mip6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4d87d2aa806f79fed918a62e834505ca Cc: Subject: [Mobopts] New ID: Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: schmidt@fhtw-berlin.de List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi all, we completed an updated version of the RG ID of the problem statement on extending Multicast to Mobility. It can immediately be downloaded under: http://www.realmv6.org/papers/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-01.txt and will be presented in Chicago with sufficient time for discussions http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/agenda/MobOpts.txt The document has been significantly extended by * A section on layer 2 aspects as discussed in Prague. This is still somewhat incomplete and we hope for your input! * A brief inclusion of hybrid multicast approaches with a pointer to SAM work. * Many minor extensions, gap filling and clarifications. * An updated and extended bibliography Details: Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement and Brief Survey Abstract In this document we discuss mobility extensions to current IP layer multicast solutions. Problems arising from mobile group communication in general, in the case of multicast listener mobility and for mobile Any Source Multicast as well as Source Specific Multicast senders are documented. Characteristic aspects of multicast routing and deployment issues for fixed IPv6 networks are summarized. The principal approaches to the multicast mobility problems are outlined subsequently. Looking forward to your hints & discussions! See you in Chicago, thomas _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Jul 19 16:45:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBcs0-00076S-CR; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:45:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBcrz-00076M-0O for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:45:07 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.171] helo=mgw-ext12.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBcrx-0001qz-9N for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:45:06 -0400 Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-ext12.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6JKiqm0004417 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:45:03 +0300 Received: from daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.112]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:44:41 +0300 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:44:32 -0500 Received: from 10.162.253.140 ([10.162.253.140]) by daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:43:47 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:43:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mobopts] Meeting Agenda From: Rajeev Koodli To: Rajeev Koodli , "mobopts@irtf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Mobopts] Meeting Agenda Thread-Index: AcfEpfVzM9hrTDCZEdy+wAAWy5YJpwFn4Kom In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2007 20:44:32.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C273D80:01C7CA45] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Folks, Allison Mankin will speak about NSF's Future Internet Design (FIND) initiative - www.nets-find.net The revised agenda is as follows. Please note the revised time allocations. Also, I was thinking of Wednesday evening for dinner. Please let me know if you would be interested in attending. Thanks, -Rajeev 1. Introduction, document status, Rajeev 5 minutes 2. NSF's FIND, Allison Mankin, 20 minutes. 3. Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement and Brief Survey, Thomas Schmidt, 25 minutes draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-00.txt 4. CN-targetted Location Privacy, Kilian Weninger, 15 minutes. http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mip6/draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv-02.txt 5. A Framework of Media-independent Pre-Authentication (MPA) for Inter-domain Handover Optimization, Yoshihiro Ohba, 25 minutes http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-framework-05.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-implementation-04 .txt 6. On the performance trends and trade-offs of MIH L3 transport, Nada Golmie, 30 minutes 7. Motivation for Context Aware Mobility, Eranga Perera, 30 minutes, draft-perera-mobopts-motivation-CAM-00.txt Best, -Rajeev On 7/12/07 9:59 AM, "ext Rajeev Koodli" wrote: > > Hello folks, > > Below is the agenda for the meeting at Chicago. > This time we have good time to discuss at length each of the topics. > > 1. Introduction, document status, Rajeev 5 minutes > > 2. Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement and Brief Survey, Thomas > Schmidt, 30 minutes > > draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-00.txt > > 3. A Framework of Media-independent Pre-Authentication > (MPA) for Inter-domain Handover Optimization, Yoshihiro Ohba, 30 minutes > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-framework-05.txt > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohba-mobopts-mpa-implementation-04 > .txt > > 4. On the performance trends and trade-offs of MIH L3 transport, Nada > Golmie, 30 minutes > > 5. Motivation for Context Aware Mobility, Eranga Perera, 30 minutes, > > draft-perera-mobopts-motivation-CAM-00.txt > > > Best, > > -Rajeev -- http://people.nokia.net/~rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Mon Jul 23 14:57:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID36L-0006Yp-1F; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:57:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID36J-0006Yi-QE for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:57:47 -0400 Received: from rimp1.nist.gov ([129.6.16.226] helo=smtp.nist.gov) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID36I-0007qZ-NX for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:57:47 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (41-140.antd.nist.gov [129.6.140.41]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l6NIuOX1028881; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:56:35 -0400 Message-ID: <46A4F9D8.5090709@nist.gov> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:56:24 -0400 From: Nada Golmie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobopts@irtf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: nada.golmie@nist.gov Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp.nist.gov id l6NIuOX1028881 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: David Griffith , Richard Rouil Subject: [Mobopts] Performance evaluation of L3 transport for IEEE 802.21 protocol X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hello Everyone, The IEEE 802.21 Media Independent Handover (MIH) working group is=20 developing a set of mechanisms to facilitate migration of mobile users=20 between access networks that use different link-layer technologies.=20 Among these are mobility managers that create and process signaling=20 messages to facilitate handovers. These messages are carried by a=20 transport protocol to be defined by the IETF's MIPSHOP group. Both TCP=20 and UDP architectures are currently being considered. The main goals of our study are to evaluate both protocols under=20 consideration in order to reveal useful insights and performance trends.=20 Performance results based on simulation and analytical models are=20 obtained for the L3 transport of MIH messages using TCP and UDP for=20 different network scenarios and MIH configuration settings. =95 The slides to be presented at the upcoming MOBOPTS session in Chicago=20 are available at http://www.antd.nist.gov/seamlessandsecure/seam_contributions.html Best wishes, -Nada --=20 Nada Golmie, Ph.D.=20 Manager, High Speed Network Technologies Group National Institute of Standards and Technology 100 Bureau Dr. Stop 8920 Gaithersburg, MD 20899 Email: nada@nist.gov Phone: (301) 975-4190 Fax: (301) 590-0932 Web: http://w3.antd.nist.gov _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Tue Jul 24 11:28:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMJA-0002H2-Da; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:28:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMJ9-0002Gc-I7; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:28:19 -0400 Received: from mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de ([141.45.5.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMJ8-0001us-0T; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:28:19 -0400 Received: from dhcp-15db.ietf69.org ([130.129.21.219]) by mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1IDMJ6-0001Gp-M4; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:28:17 +0200 Message-ID: <46A61B54.201@fhtw-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:31:32 +0200 From: Thomas C Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wu Qian References: <761663.64740.qm@web84110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200707241121505934956@cernet.edu.cn> In-Reply-To: <200707241121505934956@cernet.edu.cn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6ffdee8af20de249c24731d8414917d3 Cc: multimob@ietf.org, mobopts Subject: [Mobopts] Re: [multimob] Bar BOF in Chicago X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: schmidt@fhtw-berlin.de List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Wu, many thanks for your feedback - please see comments inline ------------- snip ------------------------ For the problems which mobile multicast faces • I think the main problems can be divided into 2 categories, and then we can explain the problems of multicast caused by mobility clearer: – For the User side, 2 main problems: • Multicast packet loss percentage mainly caused by handoff) • packer transmit delay (related Average to the path length of multicast packet, triangular routing would make parameter this worse) ------------- snap ------------------------ TS => Yes, agree. Additional disturbances arrive from jitter, as discussed in the introduction of the draft. Another key issue: the address duality problem. The idea of the PS-draft is - from a fairly general level of abstraction - to look behind the scene, i.e., to identify issues and causes in more detail. The reason for this: The PS-draft is meant to serve as comprehensive overview and analytical fundament for future designers of mobile multicast protocols. ------------- snip ------------------------ For the problems which mobile multicast faces (con.) – For the Network side, 3 main problems: • Multicast packet efficiency (use delivery related to the of tunnel) • Multicast maintenance overhead (related to the design of mobile multicast scheme) • The stability of multicast tree (related the way of updating multicast tree after a handoff event) ------------- snap ------------------------ TS => D'accord. Please don't forget convergence speed and robustness of the mobile multicast routing schemes. Fairly central issues derive from deployment: We should closely look at solutions which have a realistic chance for deployment, e.g., by staying close to unicast mobility management schemes. ------------- snip ------------------------ For the solutions • Users always move around within a definite scope, such as within a building when they are working • Hierarchical structure is useful in mobile multicast – Can shield the local movement from outside – Can efficiently reduce the change of the main multicast delivery tree – Can decrease the multicast protocol overhead related handoff – It is an important category of mobile multicast solution and I suggest it be written in solution, the draft ------------- snap ------------------------ TS => Yes, you're right. Actually this approach is taken in draft http://www3.tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-waehlisch-mhmipv6 , which is mentioned in the solutions section. Of course, the brief survey over the solution space mainly consists in reference pointers ... to keep the document within readable bounds :-) Best regards & hope to see you in Vancouver thomas Wu Qian wrote: > Hi Behcet, > > I'm interested in this BOF and write some comments on the > draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-01.txt. > > But I can't go to Chicago this time, and the second author > Dr. Deng Hui will attend the bar bof of multimob. > > Best Regards, > Wu Qian > CERNET & Network Research Center of Tsinghua University > Tel: +86-10-62603327, +86-13911189166 > wuqian@cernet.edu.cn > 2007-07-24 > > ----------Original Message---------- > From: Behcet Sarikaya > Date: 2007-07-14 03:24:33 > To: multimob@ietf.org > CC: townsley@cisco.com; Jari Arkko > Subject: [multimob] Bar BOF in Chicago > >> Folks, >> At the moment we have a plan to organize a Bar BOF during IETF-69 to be possibly sponsored by us. >> To help us organize this event better, it would be nice if you send me and Suresh a note on your possible attendance. >> Also, the meeting will be totally devoted to technical discussions and not to process discussions. If you can make a technical presentation on the problem and/or solution efforts, again, send me and Suresh a note. >> See you in Chicago. >> >> Behcet >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> multimob mailing list >> multimob@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Jul 25 10:59:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiKP-00068G-2f; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:59:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiKO-00067z-HM for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:59:04 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.224]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDiKN-0000mW-OR for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:59:04 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so173499wxd for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:59:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MW2Z5VyToPkxBRMs2PuI2lxJnX9k5URApydgSO7gqLtHhbMgC5ZyLzahPjcWIoNxuKXEV6prNq3/zCJrzvj56buWG9WfqQSWcarNAaPIdun7gY8CzCx5tnCWBK/13Nm482CSdXPpLGYZY2WCr+LRoYP+s/Ievu81p/5nKsAcmSM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=alnRBs5r1bPk6imWa6DGmQjR3GCxkqnQfb4nuy9oHjlvkzNW4bUbNjjZSGs77ETLNiWrLFeXhEunNupJNlsdWnSnWQEj0jJPfnbiNCvZ/fvAyJDa+pGIV6ds4fu9uqAH1Y7fLwMYTo/M4GNPhDNReq6qDMn0P45MKHbnsZm6Ptg= Received: by 10.90.104.14 with SMTP id b14mr570870agc.1185375543449; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.84.9 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1d38a3350707250759ybf4f272hbe8adaa7f3b4559b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:59:03 -0500 From: "Hui Deng" To: schmidt@fhtw-berlin.de In-Reply-To: <46A61B54.201@fhtw-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <761663.64740.qm@web84110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200707241121505934956@cernet.edu.cn> <46A61B54.201@fhtw-berlin.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a2c12dacc0736f14d6b540e805505a86 Cc: multimob@ietf.org, mobopts Subject: [Mobopts] Re: [multimob] Bar BOF in Chicago X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi, thomas, Thanks for your paste and reply, See below inline. > ------------- snip ------------------------ > For the problems which mobile multicast faces > > =95 I think the main problems can be divided into > 2 categories, and then we can explain the > problems of multicast caused by mobility > clearer: > =96 For the User side, 2 main problems: > =95 Multicast packet loss percentage mainly caused by > handoff) > =95 packer transmit delay (related Average to the path > length of multicast packet, triangular routing would > make parameter this worse) > > ------------- snap ------------------------ > > TS =3D> Yes, agree. Additional disturbances arrive from jitter, as > discussed in the introduction of the draft. > > Another key issue: the address duality problem. > > The idea of the PS-draft is - from a fairly general level of abstraction > - to look behind the scene, i.e., to identify issues and causes in more > detail. > > The reason for this: The PS-draft is meant to serve as comprehensive > overview and analytical fundament for future designers of mobile > multicast protocols. The problem statement which you wrote is good, and here what we would like to suggest is that in the current stage, we may skip source mobility since the needs are not strong and quite complicated. So if possible, we may could define more category like user and network side consideration. > ------------- snip ------------------------ > > For the problems which mobile multicast faces (con.) > > =96 For the Network side, 3 main problems: > =95 Multicast packet efficiency (use delivery related to the of tunnel) > =95 Multicast maintenance overhead (related to the design of mobile > multicast scheme) > =95 The stability of multicast tree (related the way of updating multicas= t > tree after a handoff event) > > ------------- snap ------------------------ > > TS =3D> D'accord. Please don't forget convergence speed and robustness of > the mobile multicast routing schemes. Good suggestion, we cold clarify more in detail related to this > Fairly central issues derive from deployment: We should closely look at > solutions which have a realistic chance for deployment, e.g., by > staying close to unicast mobility management schemes. This need more discussion on it. > > ------------- snip ------------------------ > > For the solutions > =95 Users always move around within a definite scope, such as within a > building when they are working > =95 Hierarchical structure is useful in mobile multicast > =96 Can shield the local movement from outside > =96 Can efficiently reduce the change of the main > multicast delivery tree > =96 Can decrease the multicast protocol overhead related handoff > =96 It is an important category of mobile multicast > solution and I suggest it be written in solution, the draft > > ------------- snap ------------------------ > > TS =3D> Yes, you're right. Actually this approach is taken in draft > http://www3.tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-waehlisch-mhmipv6 , which > is mentioned in the solutions section. we are suggesting more hierachical solution other hmip solution since we have to consider more deployment realistic. > Of course, the brief survey over the solution space mainly consists in > reference pointers ... to keep the document within readable bounds :-) Sure, btw, more suggestion, shall we consider as well pmip area? Thanks -Hui _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Jul 25 11:26:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDikS-0004uK-9T; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:26:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDikQ-0004tZ-S4; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:25:58 -0400 Received: from mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de ([141.45.5.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDikP-0001gY-9J; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:25:58 -0400 Received: from dhcp-10ed.ietf69.org ([130.129.16.237]) by mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1IDikO-0007D2-7P; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:25:56 +0200 Message-ID: <46A76C4B.4090903@fhtw-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:29:15 +0200 From: Thomas C Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hui Deng References: <761663.64740.qm@web84110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200707241121505934956@cernet.edu.cn> <46A61B54.201@fhtw-berlin.de> <1d38a3350707250759ybf4f272hbe8adaa7f3b4559b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1d38a3350707250759ybf4f272hbe8adaa7f3b4559b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6d95a152022472c7d6cdf886a0424dc6 Cc: multimob@ietf.org, mobopts Subject: [Mobopts] Re: [multimob] Bar BOF in Chicago X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: schmidt@fhtw-berlin.de List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Hui Deng, thanks for your opinions - please see comments inline Hui Deng wrote: > >> ------------- snip ------------------------ >> For the problems which mobile multicast faces >> >> • I think the main problems can be divided into >> 2 categories, and then we can explain the >> problems of multicast caused by mobility >> clearer: >> – For the User side, 2 main problems: >> • Multicast packet loss percentage mainly caused by >> handoff) >> • packer transmit delay (related Average to the path >> length of multicast packet, triangular routing would >> make parameter this worse) >> >> ------------- snap ------------------------ >> >> TS => Yes, agree. Additional disturbances arrive from jitter, as >> discussed in the introduction of the draft. >> >> Another key issue: the address duality problem. >> >> The idea of the PS-draft is - from a fairly general level of abstraction >> - to look behind the scene, i.e., to identify issues and causes in more >> detail. >> >> The reason for this: The PS-draft is meant to serve as comprehensive >> overview and analytical fundament for future designers of mobile >> multicast protocols. > The problem statement which you wrote is good, and here what we would like > to suggest is that in the current stage, we may skip source mobility > since the needs are not strong and quite complicated. So if possible, > we may could define > more category like user and network side consideration. > Thanks, but disagree: source mobility is a quite important part of the problem ... and, as I'll try to convince in today's talk, interactive multicast applications are important, as well. Additionally: I don't see a point in adding these categories to the problem space. The control signalling interplay, of course, is alway between endnodes and routers or in between routers. But this is not unique to multicast ... ;) There are network-related issues with respect to deployment, though. > >> ------------- snip ------------------------ >> >> For the problems which mobile multicast faces (con.) >> >> – For the Network side, 3 main problems: >> • Multicast packet efficiency (use delivery related to the of tunnel) >> • Multicast maintenance overhead (related to the design of mobile >> multicast scheme) >> • The stability of multicast tree (related the way of updating multicast >> tree after a handoff event) >> >> ------------- snap ------------------------ >> >> TS => D'accord. Please don't forget convergence speed and robustness of >> the mobile multicast routing schemes. > Good suggestion, we cold clarify more in detail related to this > >> Fairly central issues derive from deployment: We should closely look at >> solutions which have a realistic chance for deployment, e.g., by >> staying close to unicast mobility management schemes. > This need more discussion on it. > >> >> ------------- snip ------------------------ >> >> For the solutions >> • Users always move around within a definite scope, such as within a >> building when they are working >> • Hierarchical structure is useful in mobile multicast >> – Can shield the local movement from outside >> – Can efficiently reduce the change of the main >> multicast delivery tree >> – Can decrease the multicast protocol overhead related handoff >> – It is an important category of mobile multicast >> solution and I suggest it be written in solution, the draft >> >> ------------- snap ------------------------ >> >> TS => Yes, you're right. Actually this approach is taken in draft >> http://www3.tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-waehlisch-mhmipv6 , which >> is mentioned in the solutions section. > we are suggesting more hierachical solution other hmip solution since we > have to consider more deployment realistic. > >> Of course, the brief survey over the solution space mainly consists in >> reference pointers ... to keep the document within readable bounds :-) > Sure, > > btw, more suggestion, shall we consider as well pmip area? > Yes, we can check for and take this up, thanks. Best regards, thomas _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Jul 25 12:21:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjcL-0002tv-Ea; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:21:41 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjcH-0002q6-Kt for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:21:37 -0400 Received: from mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de ([141.45.5.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDjcG-00041y-D8 for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:21:37 -0400 Received: from dhcp-10ed.ietf69.org ([130.129.16.237]) by mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1IDjcF-000M48-9j; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:21:35 +0200 Message-ID: <46A77954.5050500@fhtw-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:24:52 +0200 From: Thomas C Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobopts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: [Mobopts] Points for discussion on Mobile Multicast - Questions raised X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: schmidt@fhtw-berlin.de List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi everybody, as we are short in time at the MOBOPTS meeting, here are the open questions for discussion: 1. Are there further relevant deployment aspects? 2. Are layer 2 aspects missing in the draft? 3. Are there Multicast-specific Multihoming issues? (Beyond interface and unicast traffic management.) 4. Anything else we missed? The current draft is not yet on the ID-directory, but can be downloaded from: http://www.realmv6.org/papers/draft-schmidt-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt Please send your feedback to advance the quality of this document 8-) Cheers, thomas _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Jul 25 14:30:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDldP-0007EU-BT; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:30:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDldN-0007EP-S5 for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:30:53 -0400 Received: from ns1.nict.go.jp ([133.243.3.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDldL-0000vH-WA for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:30:53 -0400 Received: from gw1.nict.go.jp (gw1.nict.go.jp [133.243.18.250]) by ns1.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id l6PIR5n5019165 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:27:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from gw1.nict.go.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw1.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id l6PIR4du000763 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:27:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail1.nict.go.jp (mail.nict.go.jp [133.243.18.3]) by gw1.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id l6PIR4xN000760 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:27:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail1.nict.go.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.nict.go.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8774279 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:27:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kaflenote2 (ssh.nict.go.jp [133.243.3.49]) by mail1.nict.go.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8680E4274 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:27:03 +0900 (JST) From: "Ved Kafle" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:26:59 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcfO6WNw47M2qzksRE6djPl2XJbShw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Message-Id: <20070725182703.8680E4274@mail1.nict.go.jp> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Subject: [Mobopts] BoF presentation files X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Rajeev, When are you going to upload MobOpt BoF's presentation files on the web? Ved Kafle _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Jul 25 15:18:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmNM-00054j-St; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:18:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmNL-00054X-AG for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:18:23 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.170] helo=mgw-ext11.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmNJ-0002Km-Q5 for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:18:23 -0400 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext11.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6PJI61j017227; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:18:19 +0300 Received: from daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.111]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:18:10 +0300 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:18:08 -0500 Received: from 10.241.58.205 ([10.241.58.205]) by daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:18:07 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:18:20 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli To: "mobopts@irtf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Slides Thread-Index: AcfO8I+ZzmpVZzrjEdydSgAWy5YJpw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2007 19:18:08.0503 (UTC) FILETIME=[88BED870:01C7CEF0] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: "mankin@psg.com" Subject: [Mobopts] Slides X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hello, All those who presented today: could you please send me your slides so that I can upload them? Thanks, -Rajeev -- http://people.nokia.net/~rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Jul 25 15:19:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmOP-0005Lm-5A; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:19:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmOO-0005Lh-Cl for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:19:28 -0400 Received: from sehan001bb.han.telia.se ([131.115.18.152]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDmOM-0002La-Uh for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:19:28 -0400 Received: from SEHAN021MB.tcad.telia.se ([131.115.18.160]) by sehan001bb.han.telia.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:19:19 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:19:17 +0200 Message-ID: <59D7431DE2527D4CB0F1EFEDA5683ED301F27330@SEHAN021MB.tcad.telia.se> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: About draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv Thread-Index: AcfO8LHeHi9zbBq7Q2Wl9glwlUq7fw== From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2007 19:19:19.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3137C20:01C7CEF0] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: Subject: [Mobopts] About draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Kilian, I think it would be useful to add some text and discuss a bit of the issues related to the assumptions that the I-D makes regarding the discovery of an optimal HA / MSP for a given CN / CN domain. Mainly because.. It was stated during the prez that a visited MSP domain and a CN domain does not need to have any relation with each other. I would like to understand how a MN can figure out reliably, even to some extent, that the visited MSP and the CN domain are topologically close to=20 each other. The MN cannot trust much to prefix information (e.g. if CNs use PI blocks) and the MN cannot trust much to DNS (as operators or service providers do play a lot with DNS). As stated during the prez the situation gets even trickier when the CN is also mobile. Do you have any reliable methods in mind that could be used to verify the close proximity of the MSP and the CN? I also highly doubt that an operator who has nothing to do with a CN domain would populate its DNS with any information that would allow finding the closest HA to the said CN domain. And wise versa a CN domain populating DNS with information of random MSPs is imho at least questionable. The situation is of course different if the MSP and the CN domain are 'the same domain', which is a typical local HA allocation case.. Cheers, Jouni _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Jul 25 17:05:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDo3R-0001K6-CG; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:05:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDo3Q-0001Hw-72 for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:05:56 -0400 Received: from cluster-b.mailcontrol.com ([217.68.146.190]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDo3O-0004Ss-O9 for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:05:56 -0400 Received: from rly29b.srv.mailcontrol.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rly29b.srv.mailcontrol.com (MailControl) with ESMTP id l6PL5rhV017869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:05:53 +0100 Received: from submission.mailcontrol.com (submission.mailcontrol.com [86.111.216.190]) by rly29b.srv.mailcontrol.com (MailControl) id l6PL5Ts6016978 for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:05:29 +0100 Received: from hhe500-02.hbg.de.pan.eu (gate.eu.panasonic.com [194.173.20.12]) by rly29b-eth0.srv.mailcontrol.com (envelope-sender Kilian.Weniger@eu.panasonic.com) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id l6PL5SRU016916; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:05:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from eundadmi01.pan.eu(10.109.33.22) by hhe500-02.hbg.de.pan.eu via smtp id 2a02_71504918_3af1_11dc_91be_0030482aac25; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:55:57 +0200 Received: from VPN-MRelay-01.PRDCG.Panasonic.de ([10.100.176.55]) by eundadmi01.pan.eu (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.4FP3) with ESMTP id 2007072523052646-68015 ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:05:26 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.5 tests=AWL: 0.114,BAYES_00: -1.665,TOTAL_SCORE: -1.551 X-Spam-Level: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by VPN-MRelay-01.PRDCG.Panasonic.de; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:05:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 In-Reply-To: <59D7431DE2527D4CB0F1EFEDA5683ED301F27330@SEHAN021MB.tcad.telia.se> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: About draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv thread-index: AcfO8LHeHi9zbBq7Q2Wl9glwlUq7fwACmwpw References: <59D7431DE2527D4CB0F1EFEDA5683ED301F27330@SEHAN021MB.tcad.telia.se> To: , , Message-ID: <1FEB9B9F2EC38343955D02B2AE86AACB3B07FC@lan-ex-02.panasonic.de> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:05:07 +0200 From: "Kilian Weniger" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Scanned-By: MailControl A-07-08-00 (www.mailcontrol.com) on 10.66.1.139 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a2c12dacc0736f14d6b540e805505a86 Cc: Subject: [Mobopts] RE: About draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Jouni, Thanks for the comments. Please see my replies below.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jouni.korhonen@teliasonera.com=20 > [mailto:jouni.korhonen@teliasonera.com]=20 > Sent: Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2007 21:19 > To: Kilian.Weniger@eu.panasonic.com; mobopts@irtf.org > Subject: About draft-weniger-mobopts-mip6-cnlocpriv >=20 > Hi Kilian, >=20 > I think it would be useful to add some text and discuss a bit of the > issues related to the assumptions that the I-D makes regarding the > discovery of an optimal HA / MSP for a given CN / CN domain. >=20 > Mainly because.. It was stated during the prez that a visited=20 > MSP domain > and a CN domain does not need to have any relation with each other. I > would > like to understand how a MN can figure out reliably, even to some > extent, > that the visited MSP and the CN domain are topologically close to=20 > each other. The MN cannot trust much to prefix information=20 > (e.g. if CNs > use PI blocks) and the MN cannot trust much to DNS (as operators or > service > providers do play a lot with DNS). As stated during the prez the This all depends on the ORHA discovery mechanism in use.=20 One option that the draft discusses is DNS-based ORHA discovery with DNS entries maintained by the MSA, such as ".ORHA.". The MSA providing the ORHA service would be able to know which of its MSPs/Has are close to some popular CN domains/prefixes.=20 I assume that "play a lot with DNS" means that the IP address that a client gets back from DNS for a specific FQDN depends on the client's location? Since the MSA would specifically maintain DNS entries for the purpose of discovering ORHAs, the operator should not "play" with such DNS entries of course. So I don't think that "playing with DNS" is a problem here. I can add some text to make it explicit that an operator should not "play" with these DNS entires. > situation gets even trickier when the CN is also mobile. Do you have > any reliable methods in mind that could be used to verify the close > proximity of the MSP and the CN? Optimizing the route further when the CN is mobile is a different scenario, which is out of scope of the draft. Note that RFC3775 also doesn't consider mobile CNs and that the RFC3775 RO mode path is suboptimal in mobile CN case, so this is not an issue that is specific to this draft. >=20 > I also highly doubt that an operator who has nothing to do with a CN > domain would populate its DNS with any information that would allow > finding the closest HA to the said CN domain. And wise versa a CN > domain populating DNS with information of random MSPs is imho at least > questionable. I think this just depends on the business model (which of course is out of scope of the draft). However, the draft has some text on this: "Since location privacy can be seen as a value-added service, a user may be willing to pay for this service. This may be an incentive for an MSA to offer this service and delegate the mobility management to an MSP located close to the correspondent node." >=20 > The situation is of course different if the MSP and the CN domain are > 'the same domain', which is a typical local HA allocation case.. Thanks, Kilian >=20 > Cheers, > Jouni >=20 >=20 Panasonic R=26D Center Germany GmbH 63225 Langen=2C Hessen=2C Germany Reg=3A AG Offenbach =28Hessen=29 HRB 33974 Managing Director=3A Thomas Micke _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Fri Jul 27 16:13:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEWBr-0005Ii-0L; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:13:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEWBq-0005Ia-6A for mobopts@irtf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:13:34 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.171] helo=mgw-ext12.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEWBo-0005hL-No for mobopts@irtf.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:13:34 -0400 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext12.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l6RK6sSV001538; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:06:56 +0300 Received: from daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.111]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:06:55 +0300 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:06:38 -0500 Received: from 10.241.59.106 ([10.241.59.106]) by daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:06:35 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:06:52 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mobopts review Thread-Index: AcfQiawc6nxDKjx8EdyNZwAWy5YJpw== In-Reply-To: <20070727154238.L14963@simone.iecc.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2007 20:06:38.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4354540:01C7D089] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Cc: ext John L , "mobopts@irtf.org" Subject: [Mobopts] FW: Mobopts review X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hello, Here is the IRSG review of L2 abstractions ID. I think the comments are mostly editorial and very useful in improving the overall quality of the document. Thanks John for your review. Authors: please take a look and respond. Regards, -Rajeev -- http://people.nokia.net/~rajeev ------ Forwarded Message From: ext John L Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:00:06 -0400 (EDT) To: Rajeev Koodli Cc: Aaron Falk Subject: Mobopts review I've read through draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions-03, and I find it almost but not quite ready for publication. Keeping in mind that I am not particularly expert in mobile computing, the content seems fine. It needs a careful copy-edit to fix some language problems that are distracting and occasionally ambiguous. For example, page 6 defines PoA as "the attachment point of a mobile node". PoA presumably stands for Point of Attachment, and it just seems odd to have the abbreviation and definition not match. More seriously, there are places where the complexity of English syntax leads to confusion. For example, on page 3 the last sentence of the first paragraph reads "a layer can evenly communicate with each other", which I think is trying to say that the communication between layers is symmetrical, but I'm not sure. A careful copy edit, in consultation with the authors to be sure the ambiguities are resolved correctly, should solve this. Appendix B appears to contain two paper examples and one report of an experiment. They're all fine, but it would be helpful to explain either why they tested the third example or why they didn't test the first two. None of these problems are major, and I expect all could be fixed in one more editing pass. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. ------ End of Forwarded Message _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Tue Jul 31 19:37:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IG1Hn-0007iO-2U; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:37:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IG1Hm-0007iJ-D6 for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:37:54 -0400 Received: from mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de ([141.45.5.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IG1Hk-0000fQ-Tj for mobopts@irtf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:37:54 -0400 Received: from adsl-67-127-53-141.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net ([67.127.53.141] helo=[192.168.1.67]) by mail1.rz.fhtw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1IG1Hj-0004dP-Oh for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:37:52 +0200 Message-ID: <46AFC89C.9090501@fhtw-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:41:16 -0500 From: Thomas C Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobopts References: <46AFB687.8000801@ericsson.com> <1BCC1A78-AA73-4DAC-9AC7-DF8340D6753D@multicasttech.com> In-Reply-To: <1BCC1A78-AA73-4DAC-9AC7-DF8340D6753D@multicasttech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Subject: [Mobopts] Re: [multimob] multimob@IETF69 Meeting summary X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: schmidt@fhtw-berlin.de List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Marshall, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> Three approaches to multicast mobility were discussed >> >> * Remote Subscription >> * Bidirectional tunneling > > I suspect this could be done using Bi-Dir PIM more or less as is. There > would have to be changes to support > SSM, and Bi-Dir has never been made interdomain, but neither should be > that difficult in IPv6. > > If anyone is interested in exploring this, please let me know. > This remark on source-mobility agnostics of Bi-Dir PIM we already started to discuss in MOBOPTS, cf. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps ... and we started keeping an eye on it a while ago: it's really interesting! And yes, we are looking at this and are interested in working a way further down there ... For the moment I personally doubt, though, that Bi-Dir can easily be extended to scale beyond domains. Anyway, Bi-Dir PIM can at least be embedded in (mobility-agnostic) hybrid approaches, cf. http://samrg.org/about/meetings/ietf69/mw69-foilsV2.pdf Cheers, thomas _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts