From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Sep 06 13:22:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITL1r-0004Om-TP; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:20:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITL1q-0004OR-8A for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:20:30 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.170] helo=mgw-ext11.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITL1o-0005Iy-No for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:20:30 -0400 Received: from esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh108.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.145]) by mgw-ext11.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l86HD2Pt028138; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:13:28 +0300 Received: from daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.111]) by esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:13:21 +0300 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:13:07 -0500 Received: from 10.241.32.16 ([10.241.32.16]) by daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:13:07 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:13:10 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli To: ext John L Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions Thread-Index: AcfQiawc6nxDKjx8EdyNZwAWy5YJpwgH4bx6 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 17:13:07.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[31D74800:01C7F0A9] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da Cc: irsg@isi.edu, ext Fumio Teraoka , "mobopts@irtf.org" Subject: [Mobopts] Draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi John, I believe the authors have addressed your review comments. Could you kindly take a look at the following revised version and let us know if we could move forward with publishing this ID? http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions-04.txt Thank you. -Rajeev > > ------ Forwarded Message > From: ext John L > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:00:06 -0400 (EDT) > To: Rajeev Koodli > Cc: Aaron Falk > Subject: Mobopts review > > I've read through draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions-03, and I find it > almost but not quite ready for publication. > > Keeping in mind that I am not particularly expert in mobile computing, > the content seems fine. It needs a careful copy-edit to fix some > language problems that are distracting and occasionally ambiguous. For > example, page 6 defines PoA as "the attachment point of a mobile node". > PoA presumably stands for Point of Attachment, and it just seems odd to > have the abbreviation and definition not match. More seriously, there are > places where the complexity of English syntax leads to confusion. For > example, on page 3 the last sentence of the first paragraph reads "a > layer can evenly communicate with each other", which I think is trying to > say that the communication between layers is symmetrical, but I'm not > sure. A careful copy edit, in consultation with the authors to be sure > the ambiguities are resolved correctly, should solve this. > > Appendix B appears to contain two paper examples and one report of an > experiment. They're all fine, but it would be helpful to explain either > why they tested the third example or why they didn't test the first two. > > None of these problems are major, and I expect all could be fixed in one > more editing pass. > > Regards, > John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for > Dummies", > Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor > "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. > > ------ End of Forwarded Message > > > _______________________________________________ > Mobopts mailing list > Mobopts@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts -- http://people.nokia.net/~rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Thu Sep 06 13:55:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITLXg-00083n-Rz; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:53:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITLXf-00083i-Ss for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:53:23 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.173] helo=mgw-ext14.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITLXe-00062K-C5 for mobopts@irtf.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:53:23 -0400 Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-ext14.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l86HqoLl005539 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:53:20 +0300 Received: from daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.112]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:53:06 +0300 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:53:04 -0500 Received: from 10.241.32.16 ([10.241.32.16]) by daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:53:04 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:53:07 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli To: "mobopts@irtf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Chicago presentations Thread-Index: AcfwrsfGBodcrFyiEdycuAAWy5YJpw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 17:53:04.0645 (UTC) FILETIME=[C65F2B50:01C7F0AE] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Subject: [Mobopts] Chicago presentations X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi, Many of you had asked about the GENI presentation. I have uploaded it to the meeting materials page, now that I got it. It is big! You can also get it from the mobopts site people.nokia.net/~rajeev/mobopts Best, -Rajeev -- http://people.nokia.net/~rajeev _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Mon Sep 17 07:00:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXEKo-0002rk-7Z; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:00:10 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXEKn-0002re-0B for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:00:09 -0400 Received: from mail2.is.haw-hamburg.de ([141.22.192.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXEKl-0000Mq-Fy for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:00:08 -0400 Received: from mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de (isis2.informatik.haw-hamburg.de [141.22.10.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.is.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CED56B1F; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:00:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19765-01-10; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:00:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.178.20] (e178147159.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.178.147.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEFC3C00120; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:00:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46EE5F36.9010304@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:04:22 +0200 From: Thomas C Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stig Venaas References: <46C738F7.8000008@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> <46D2A7D6.9080703@uninett.no> In-Reply-To: <46D2A7D6.9080703@uninett.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.haw-hamburg.de X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV at mailgate.haw-hamburg.de Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: mobopts Subject: [Mobopts] Re: mmcastv6-ps Draft X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Hi Stig, thanks - and sorry for answering late ... Stig Venaas wrote: > I've had a quick read through the document now, and it looks quite > good. I can't really think of anything to add or change. But I have > one comment below. >=20 [...] > Worth mentioning scoped multicast? Using tunnel from HA you can when > leaving your site continue receiving multicast from your site of > site-local scope. If you join natively you will instead receive > whatever that multicast group might be used for in the other site... Yes, but there are issues to that: People tend to consider this a=20 security fraud, if you participate in link-local group while being away=20 (3775 says "should not be tunneled"). > Also, it might be important for a source sending scoped multicast to > detect that it is no longer in the same scope zone. These are hard > problems, and maybe not worth addressing... >=20 We can mentioned this - even though I don't know any elegant solution to=20 it. Regional scoping requires non-local knowledge, which usually is not=20 available at the mobile source, I suppose. > After writing the above I saw that you did briefly mention scoping as > well. Your current text might be sufficient. >=20 > The L2 discussion is quite useful. It could possibly have been a > separate document, but I think it's fine here as well. >=20 Many thanks :-) Hope everything is fine at yours! Best wishes, thomas --=20 =B0 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =B0 HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik =B0 University of Applied Sciences =B0 Berliner Tor 7, D 20099 Hamburg =B0 Germany, Fon: +49-40-42875-8157 =B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Mon Sep 17 08:21:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXFb5-0002hx-Gq; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:21:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXFb3-0002cC-ST for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:21:01 -0400 Received: from mail2.is.haw-hamburg.de ([141.22.192.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXFb2-0002Rn-8U for mobopts@irtf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:21:01 -0400 Received: from mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de (isis2.informatik.haw-hamburg.de [141.22.10.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.is.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EA1574D1; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:20:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25230-01-5; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:20:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.178.20] (e178184071.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.178.184.71]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9FE3C00120; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:20:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46EE722D.7000409@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:25:17 +0200 From: Thomas C Schmidt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stig Venaas References: <46C738F7.8000008@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> <46D2A7D6.9080703@uninett.no> <46EE5F36.9010304@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> <46EE60F2.8060005@uninett.no> In-Reply-To: <46EE60F2.8060005@uninett.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.haw-hamburg.de X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV at mailgate.haw-hamburg.de Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Cc: mobopts Subject: [Mobopts] Re: mmcastv6-ps Draft X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Stig Venaas wrote: > Thomas C Schmidt wrote: >> [...] >>> Worth mentioning scoped multicast? Using tunnel from HA you can when >>> leaving your site continue receiving multicast from your site of >>> site-local scope. If you join natively you will instead receive >>> whatever that multicast group might be used for in the other site... >> Yes, but there are issues to that: People tend to consider this a >> security fraud, if you participate in link-local group while being awa= y >> (3775 says "should not be tunneled"). >=20 > Right, but how about site-local. Are you part of the site? I think in > general when people today use VPNs from laptops to access things at > home, they consider the laptop a part of the site. I would assume there > would be some administrative setting whether the HA should tunnel site- > scoped multicast. Sorry, my mistake: The quote "should not ..." was about site-local mcast=20 - for the link-local case RFC 3775 says "Multicast packets addressed to=20 a multicast address with link-local scope [3], to which the mobile node=20 is subscribed, MUST NOT be tunneled to the mobile node." The picture of a VPN-scenario you are drawing appears natural to me,=20 too. The difference of course is that today's VPN-configs express the=20 explicit will of domain administrators, while 3775 describes a general=20 mobility standard. I guess it's reasonable to suggest that site-local mcast forwarding=20 should be configurable at the HA. We can add that. Best, thomas --=20 =B0 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =B0 HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik =B0 University of Applied Sciences =B0 Berliner Tor 7, D 20099 Hamburg =B0 Germany, Fon: +49-40-42875-8157 =B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Wed Sep 19 22:10:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYBTM-0002MZ-Vl; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:08:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYBTL-0002MU-Po for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:08:55 -0400 Received: from gal.iecc.com ([208.31.42.53]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYBTF-0005WB-JH for mobopts@irtf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:08:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 65975 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2007 02:08:28 -0000 Received: from simone.iecc.com (208.31.42.47) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2007 02:08:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Sep 2007 02:08:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:08:31 -0400 (EDT) From: John L To: Rajeev Koodli In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070919220807.K2676@simone.iecc.com> References: Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -7.5 (-------) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Cc: irsg@isi.edu, ext Fumio Teraoka , "mobopts@irtf.org" Subject: [Mobopts] Re: Draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org This version is better. It's OK with me to publish. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Rajeev Koodli wrote: > > > Hi John, > > I believe the authors have addressed your review comments. > Could you kindly take a look at the following revised version and let us > know if we could move forward with publishing this ID? > > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions-04.txt > > Thank you. > > > -Rajeev > >> >> ------ Forwarded Message >> From: ext John L >> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:00:06 -0400 (EDT) >> To: Rajeev Koodli >> Cc: Aaron Falk >> Subject: Mobopts review >> >> I've read through draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions-03, and I find it >> almost but not quite ready for publication. >> >> Keeping in mind that I am not particularly expert in mobile computing, >> the content seems fine. It needs a careful copy-edit to fix some >> language problems that are distracting and occasionally ambiguous. For >> example, page 6 defines PoA as "the attachment point of a mobile node". >> PoA presumably stands for Point of Attachment, and it just seems odd to >> have the abbreviation and definition not match. More seriously, there are >> places where the complexity of English syntax leads to confusion. For >> example, on page 3 the last sentence of the first paragraph reads "a >> layer can evenly communicate with each other", which I think is trying to >> say that the communication between layers is symmetrical, but I'm not >> sure. A careful copy edit, in consultation with the authors to be sure >> the ambiguities are resolved correctly, should solve this. >> >> Appendix B appears to contain two paper examples and one report of an >> experiment. They're all fine, but it would be helpful to explain either >> why they tested the third example or why they didn't test the first two. >> >> None of these problems are major, and I expect all could be fixed in one >> more editing pass. >> >> Regards, >> John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for >> Dummies", >> Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor >> "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. >> >> ------ End of Forwarded Message >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mobopts mailing list >> Mobopts@irtf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts > > Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@irtf.org Fri Sep 21 13:32:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYmMQ-0001Tx-68; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:32:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYmMN-0001Lz-Do for mobopts@irtf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:32:11 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.172] helo=mgw-ext13.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYmMH-0000CC-0N for mobopts@irtf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:32:11 -0400 Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-ext13.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l8LHVspo029501 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:31:58 +0300 Received: from daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.112]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:31:45 +0300 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:31:37 -0500 Received: from 10.241.58.147 ([10.241.58.147]) by daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:31:37 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:31:45 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli To: "mobopts@irtf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions Thread-Index: Acf8dUfXhjtr9mhoEdy6jgAWy5YJpw== In-Reply-To: <20070919220807.K2676@simone.iecc.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2007 17:31:37.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[4357F700:01C7FC75] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Subject: [Mobopts] FW: Draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions X-BeenThere: mobopts@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@irtf.org ------ Forwarded Message From: ext John L Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:08:31 -0400 (EDT) To: Rajeev Koodli Cc: "mobopts@irtf.org" , , ext Fumio Teraoka Subject: Re: Draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions This version is better. It's OK with me to publish. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Rajeev Koodli wrote: > > > Hi John, > > I believe the authors have addressed your review comments. > Could you kindly take a look at the following revised version and let us > know if we could move forward with publishing this ID? > > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions-04.txt > > Thank you. > > > -Rajeev > >> >> ------ Forwarded Message >> From: ext John L >> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:00:06 -0400 (EDT) >> To: Rajeev Koodli >> Cc: Aaron Falk >> Subject: Mobopts review >> >> I've read through draft-irtf-mobopts-l2-abstractions-03, and I find it >> almost but not quite ready for publication. >> >> Keeping in mind that I am not particularly expert in mobile computing, >> the content seems fine. It needs a careful copy-edit to fix some >> language problems that are distracting and occasionally ambiguous. For >> example, page 6 defines PoA as "the attachment point of a mobile node". >> PoA presumably stands for Point of Attachment, and it just seems odd to >> have the abbreviation and definition not match. More seriously, there are >> places where the complexity of English syntax leads to confusion. For >> example, on page 3 the last sentence of the first paragraph reads "a >> layer can evenly communicate with each other", which I think is trying to >> say that the communication between layers is symmetrical, but I'm not >> sure. A careful copy edit, in consultation with the authors to be sure >> the ambiguities are resolved correctly, should solve this. >> >> Appendix B appears to contain two paper examples and one report of an >> experiment. They're all fine, but it would be helpful to explain either >> why they tested the third example or why they didn't test the first two. >> >> None of these problems are major, and I expect all could be fixed in one >> more editing pass. >> >> Regards, >> John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for >> Dummies", >> Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor >> "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. >> >> ------ End of Forwarded Message >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mobopts mailing list >> Mobopts@irtf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts > > Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. ------ End of Forwarded Message _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts