From mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 2 11:22:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobopts-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-mobopts-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C7F3A6E34; Fri, 2 May 2008 11:22:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: mobopts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: mobopts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0803B3A69EC for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 11:15:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qqWWH-AyV4LV for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 11:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [194.146.105.14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1FC3A6826 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 11:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45374 helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jrzn8-0007rX-ST; Fri, 02 May 2008 20:15:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "IRTF" X-Trac-Version: 0.10.4 X-Mailer: Trac 0.10.4, by Edgewall Software X-Trac-Project: IRTF Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 18:15:30 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://www3.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/ticket/24 Message-ID: <068.b2bd8b9cdd773424418e2f9c4def5ca5@tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 24 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rajeev.koodli@gmail.com, basavaraj.patil@nsn.com, rkoodli@starentnetworks.com, mobopts@irtf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac@tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 02 May 2008 11:22:35 -0700 Subject: [Mobopts] [IRTF] #24: IRSG review of MobOpts RG document draft-irtf-mobopts-location-privacy-solutions-08.txt X-BeenThere: mobopts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: trac@tools.ietf.org List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Ticket #24: IRSG review of MobOpts RG document draft-irtf-mobopts-location-privacy- solutions-08.txt URL to the draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-irtf-mobopts-location-privacy- solutions-08.txt Document shepherd name and contact information: Raj Patil, basavaraj.patil@nsn.com Type of RFC: Informational IRSG member performing editorial review: Michael Welzl Scheduled date for IRSG poll: May 30, 2008 IRSG poll results: TBA Pointers to RG reviews: (URLs below and subsequent follow ups. NOTE: The RG conducted review on version 06. The current draft version is 08) http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mobopts/current/msg00886.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mobopts/current/msg00889.html -------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- Reporter: rajeev.koodli@gmail.com | Owner: Michael Welzl Type: doc review | Status: new Priority: routine | Milestone: 1. Initiation of IRSG review Component: mobopts | Version: -08 Severity: In WG Last Call | Keywords: MIPv6, Location Privacy -------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- -- Ticket URL: IRTF IRTF Tracker _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 2 14:02:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobopts-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-mobopts-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA1028C1DD; Fri, 2 May 2008 14:02:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: mobopts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: mobopts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8993A6CA5 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 11:25:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vzTQCZfRNuHB for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 11:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D9CA33A69C7 for ; Fri, 2 May 2008 11:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 63042 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2008 18:23:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ajXLowhbvY5onApW/Ocow6mtCwH6FMYvU8a3QP5Orf6CCRdjr3NhWYcI7FygIbGJuJxNLU7jjp8b888ntXJ5Nr0Rv6eZaLBkE8r20qmfvcj5utr3P1Y5jscB0JRQSd+mzyr++mNVTW7KJ3woYEXGwhry4AUNUuCf505rcQNZR44=; X-YMail-OSG: 5ZQmCicVM1npZmsUFyoLNjW2xIEovsWUv3Dys6.meSs9.8ZUuUTA_L1hILmoGnamDmKNWAzPwTMD1nrulpV8.tnMS1gUO9K5n1LjJJzzb6LJfVO8m.Xmg6BQZVI- Received: from [71.141.245.98] by web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 May 2008 11:23:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:23:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Rajeev Koodli To: irsg@isi.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <424070.62934.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 02 May 2008 14:02:21 -0700 Cc: basavaraj.patil@nsn.com, mobopts@irtf.org Subject: [Mobopts] IRSG review of draft-irtf-mobopts-location-privacy-solutions-08.txt X-BeenThere: mobopts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: rajeev_koodli@yahoo.com List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Dear IRSG, following is the information captured in the tracker regarding the review. Michael Welzl has agreed to review the doc; thanks Michael! Raj Patil (MIP6 chair) will be the document shepherd. Regards, -Rajeev URL to the draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-irtf-mobopts-location-privacy-solutions-08.txt Document shepherd name and contact information: Raj Patil, basavaraj.patil@nsn.com Type of RFC: Informational IRSG member performing editorial review: Michael Welzl Scheduled date for IRSG poll: May 30, 2008 IRSG poll results: TBA Pointers to RG reviews: (URLs below and subsequent follow ups. NOTE: The RG conducted review on version 06. The current draft version is 08) http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mobopts/current/msg00886.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mobopts/current/msg00889.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 14 11:30:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobopts-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-mobopts-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4823A6899; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:30:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: mobopts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: mobopts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580843A6891 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:30:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tQYpF1FfFa49 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0.starentnetworks.com (mx0.starentnetworks.com [12.38.223.203]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3433A6887 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx0.starentnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF4E1E02E6 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx0.starentnetworks.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx0.starentnetworks.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02514-20 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchtewks1.starentnetworks.com (exchtewks1.starentnetworks.com [10.2.4.28]) by mx0.starentnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:29:52 -0400 (EDT) X-MessageTextProcessor: DisclaimIt (2.70.271) [Starent Networks Corp.] Received: from exchtewks3.starentnetworks.com ([10.2.4.31]) by exchtewks1.starentnetworks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 May 2008 14:29:52 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:30:29 -0400 Message-ID: <4D35478224365146822AE9E3AD4A266602706812@exchtewks3.starentnetworks.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RG Last Call for Media-independent Pre-Authentication Document thread-index: Aci18JXXwqO31p++T+O2kwTqjwz5iw== Importance: normal Priority: normal From: "Koodli, Rajeev" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2008 18:29:52.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FFF37B0:01C8B5F0] X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.2.1 (20041222) at mx0.starentnetworks.com Subject: [Mobopts] RG Last Call for Media-independent Pre-Authentication Document X-BeenThere: mobopts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0418042907==" Sender: mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0418042907== Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8B5F0.7FE9125A" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8B5F0.7FE9125A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hello folks, =20 The authors of draft-irtf-mobopts-mpa-framework-02.txt have updated the draft based on several comments received during the previous meetings and from other reviews. 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Hello folks,

 

The authors of = draft-irtf-mobopts-mpa-framework-02.txt have updated the draft based on several comments received during the previous = meetings and from other reviews. I think it is ready for a LC. So, please provide = your input by May 30.

 

Thanks,

 

-Rajeev

 

ps: the URL for the draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-irtf-mobopts-mpa-fr= amework-02.txt

 

 

 

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Luigi Patrono, PhD ---------------------------------------------------- University of Salento Dep. of Innovation Engineering Via Monteroni 73100 Lecce - ITALY Tel. +39 0832 297330 Fax. +39 0832 297279 e-mail: luigi.patrono@unile.it ---------------------------------------------------- --=====================_7054046==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-707F6791 (We apologize if you receive multiple copies of this email. Please forward this announcement to your colleagues.)
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Symposium on
MOBILE WIRELESS NETWORKS

September 25-27, 2008
Split-Dubrovnik (CROATIA)

Symposium Chair: Mario De Blasi
University of Salento, Italy, (mario.deblasi@unile.it)

The Symposium on Mobile Wireless Networks (see http://www.fesb.hr/SoftCOM/2008/CfP_DeBlasi_2008.pdf for more details) will be held in the frame of the 16th International Conference on Software, Telecommunications and Computer Networks (SoftCOM 2008), co-sponsored by the IEEE Communication Society (COMSOC).
 
The main goal of this symposium is to present and discuss recent advances in the development of innovative wireless networks that support user mobility. Particular attention will be given to recent challenges related to wireless vehicular ad hoc networking (VANET) technologies. These communication systems (vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle-to-roadside) will enable vehicular both safety applications and non-safety applications such as mobile entertainment.

We cordially invite speakers who wish to present original papers on the following subjects, but not limited to these, associated with wireless communication:
* Ad Hoc Wireless Networks
* Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS)
* Vehicular communications
* Safety and entertainment applications
* Wireless MAC protocols
* Routing protocols in mobile ad hoc wireless networks
* Multicast routing in ad hoc wireless networks
* Mobile Internet
* Transport layer for Wireless Networks
* Interoperability between heterogeneous Wireless Networks
* Wireless Sensor Networks
* Energy management in Ad Hoc Wireless Networks
* Quality of Service in Wireless Networks
* Security in Wireless Networks
* Ultra-Wide-Band radio communications
* Wireless PAN, LAN, MAN
* Network applications based on RFID technologies

Important dates:  
                 Paper submission: June 1, 2008
                         Notification of acceptance: July 1, 2008
                        Camera ready papers due: September 1, 2008


Submission of Manuscripts: Please follow the general submission requirements of SoftCOM2007 ( http://www.fesb.hr/SoftCOM).



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Ing.  Luigi Patrono,  PhD
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University of Salento
Dep. of Innovation Engineering
Via Monteroni
73100 Lecce - ITALY

Tel.  +39 0832 297330
Fax. +39 0832 297279
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Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release Date: 07/05/2008= 17.23 --=======AVGMAIL-4822C04D74CE======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts --=======AVGMAIL-4822C04D74CE=======-- From mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Mon May 19 12:11:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobopts-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-mobopts-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770383A6B46; Mon, 19 May 2008 12:11:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: mobopts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: mobopts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FA93A6D29 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 01:01:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.269 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.269 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, HOST_EQ_AT=0.745, MANGLED_LIST=2.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pgFG7psMThh0 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 01:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.uibk.ac.at (lmr1.uibk.ac.at [138.232.1.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F693A685E for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 01:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [138.232.65.105] (pc105-c703.uibk.ac.at [138.232.65.105] michael.welzl@uibk.ac.at) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.uibk.ac.at (8.13.8/8.13.8/F1) with ESMTP id m4J80qON021681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 19 May 2008 10:00:52 +0200 From: Michael Welzl To: rajeev_koodli@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <424070.62934.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <424070.62934.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Organization: University of Innsbruck Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:00:52 +0200 Message-Id: <1211184052.3652.55.camel@pc105-c703.uibk.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 (2.8.3-2.fc6) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 at uibk.ac.at on 138.232.1.140 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:11:07 -0700 Cc: irsg@ISI.EDU, basavaraj.patil@nsn.com, mobopts@irtf.org Subject: [Mobopts] IRSG review of draft-irtf-mobopts-location-privacy-solutions-08.txt X-BeenThere: mobopts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Dear Rajeev, dear IRSG, dear MOBOPTS group, Here is my review of draft-irtf-mobops-location-privacy-solutions-08.txt. I hope it's useful! Cheers, Michael ======================================================================= According to: http://www3.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/IRTF-RFCs#ResearchGroupPreparation there must be a statement in the abstract identifying it as the product of the RG. This statement is missing. These rules also state that it must be very clear throughout the document that it is not an IETF product and is not a standard. I'm not sure if this is really so clear in this case. Furthermore, the abstract should IMO be understandable without having to dig through references. Since the two references in the abstracts are RFCs, I would prefer if the authors would mention the RFC numbers instead of pointing to a reference. On page 12, in para 1, you state that "the actual position of 'P' bit is waiting for IANA approval" (btw, it should be "_the_ 'P' bit", and this sentence is an example of the "following" problem - see below). I don't know if this kind of statement is acceptable, should this document become an RFC. On the whole, the presentation is quite poor; while I have no expertise in this field (which, by the way, makes it very hard for me to comment on technical issues), the document should be easier to read even for someone like me than it is in its current form. General presentation issues: ----------------------------- The terminology is incomplete. Several abbreviations are never introduced, e.g. pHoA (although it's clear that this is the pseudo home address). Not being an expert on Mobile IPv6, I have no idea what the HoTI, HoT, CoTI and CoT messages are - the abbreviations should be listed in the terminology, and a reference should be added together with a brief explanation of what these messages are. RR refers to the Return Routability Procedure, put this abbreviation in the terminology list. In the text, it should be *the* RR procedure. In the context of this document I'm also not sure what exactly "MAC" refers to. What is "BU"? (used on page 25) Speaking of abbreviations, I think that you should not omit articles in front of them - e.g., instead of saying something like "MH talks to CN", you should probably say "The MH talks to the CN". Several sentences end with "and with home network prefix." or "one of home network prefixes." This is broken English, especially in a context like this one, on page 28: "The pseudo home address also has the feature of routability and with home network prefix." I think you should avoid starting sentences with "And"; at least the ones that start that way seem odd. I think that the phrase "similar with" doesn't exist, and should be replaced with "similar to" throughout the document. Several sentences containing the word "following" are broken, usually with a missing article or some other odd construction - e.g. pg 10 para above figure: "...HoTI message showed as following figure to...", and sentences starting with "Following". I suggest to search for the word "following" and fix these sentences. Presentation details: --------------------- Page 5, para 3: "The other approach to generate _the_ pseudo home address..." further down same para: "...would securely generate _a_ pseudo home address..." Page 6 para 2: "...mechanisms where _the_ pseudo home address is generated..." Para 6 1st sentence: remove "of" in "the term of Pseudo..." Next sentence: "In the following, we will propose..." Next: "...during _the_ RR procedure..." "... to _the_ CN during _the_ RR procedure." Next: remove "later" Page 8 para 5: I suggest to change "In the meanwhile, IPsec tunnel enables..." to "At the same time, using an IPsec tunnel enables...". End of this para: remove space before "." Page 13: "launch the attack" -> "launch an attack" pg 15 par 2: "either _a_ stateful or..."; par 4: "choose the prefix" -> "choose a prefix" pg 16 par 3 "may be not longer than IPsec" -> "may not be longer than the IPsec..." (and are you sure that this is shouldn'T be "must not"?) par 4 has one of these "And .." sentences, where ", and ..." would be a lot better. pg 18: "pseduo" -> "pseudo" pg 20: last par "showed" -> "shown", "...to indicate _THAT_ it uses..." pg 21 par 1 "...using _the_ pseudo home... ... one of _the_ selectors" last par "Upon (remove 'the') reception, the home..." pg 22 last par: "ensure_s_ that..." pg 23 par 1 1st sentence should be "... when the session was established." ("Following" problem immediately after that) pg 24 sentence "The pseudo HoA is routability and with home network prefix." is broken, I have no idea what you want to say here. pg 25 sentence "So the BU processing in _the_ CN is little difference" is broken, and I don't understand what you want to say here. table: weird mixture of things in left column: rules ("...option MUST be present"), facts ("Sequence Number field.. is greater than...") and todo-style comments ("create/update the BU entry...") pg 26: par 1: "Ours" sounds too vague, and weird for an RFC - suggest to write "the new mechanism with the additional option" or something like that. Same sentence "need" is grammatically broken, and so is "then based on the identity_address" in that sentence - it seems a verb is missing here. par 3: 1st sentence is broken. 3rd sentence "identity_addrees" -> "..address". 4th sentence: just remove "Meantime" par 4 1st and 2nd sentence broken ("When MN in foreign.." and "When MN moving to.." misses "is"; also, in 2nd sentence,: "address become_s_ pHoAj."). par 5 "...when set up a communication session" -> "when a communication session is established." next sentence should probably be "..is not to change ... a packet to the upper layer". par 6 "same as _the_ RR procedure" par 7 "care _about_ the session..." pg 27 par 1 "Before (remove "to") decrypting ...". sentence 2 "bring new flood attack" is broken. par 2 "If need much stronger..." and "...check if _the_ pHoA _is_ equal to ..." par 3 "...is just _a_ has value... CN _does_ not know the seq#, ..." par 6 "for _the_ pseudo HoA..." pg 28 bullet list last two items should start with "The" or "A" par below: "multi-home_d_ addresses,..." last par "...the mobile node _to_ use different..." pg 29 par 2 "an old pseudo home _address_ should be withdrawn..." par 3 "code as" -> "node is"; last sentence "update message to _the_ correspondent..." pg 33 par 1 "_The_ pseudo home address provides...". sentence 2: "The more information is collected, the higher _the_ probability.... becomes, which in return..." par 2 remove ", but not limited to, " pg 34 heading 6.2.2. should be "Hoe often should these invariants be updated?" par below "and also the higher _the_ costs _will be_ in terms of communication..." pg 35 par 1 "...number _to_ wrap (not "wrapping") around quickly ... hash function output _are_ used" next par "MN-HA path _from_ correlating ..." pg 36 par 2 "Eavesdroppers _are_ unable to derive..." last sentence "prevent eavesdroppers _from_ linking the..." par 4 remove "either" in last sentence last line: should be "node, and ..." pg 37 par 1 last sentence "Note _that_ the same analysis..." last par "focused on _the_ IP layer". last sentence: remove "which" pg 38 par 1: 1st sentence "works" -> "work". par 3 1st sentence "discussed" -> "discusses" par 6 remove "instead" par 7 remove isolated "." at the end pg 39 par 2 "intend" -> "intended", "we presented the thorough" -> "we presented thorough" (btw weird to say that what you did was thorough in a draft - this is not a research paper) _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts From mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Tue May 20 20:48:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobopts-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-mobopts-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365663A6911; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:48:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: mobopts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: mobopts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCE73A6B5C for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:48:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EZSUoIMYFjR0 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.178]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED74F28DDF7 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id r23so721481elf.10 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:23:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=F3W2np67EdBJeyCVionVtQrQkCDL57s/TWHDaEcOFCc=; b=bAgqukmMOj+zgY0ygdbZArksfwzGn0SVYElS2yUo3c9hZfPrPFAW6Df0UYUiv6ySuQXNZ9c6dMhLDeARv3pMuCNXT9Ffq1xCM2X/w3WIBGv8H+GGw37sMQFY7pa3z4meaTjuNgLEzQ1ALUnjuIt3iPcfW6TPZVfV0s205H0M7W4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rEds4ujBW1g5jQVl2WedvGIs5MG3gk/jcLVbckMcFO34/7FJhUs0DX/eB2ocgMn1anGv9ex53RHkud0rADC9YJE9DrTrqjxk6nK2WzcIRytMH7+76tO/ylgCpp+qk63SI3IYP2eak8Fq8a12C7o78BgL+1jrp6T8qtWja4mvo1M= Received: by 10.142.156.19 with SMTP id d19mr2446282wfe.261.1211307825676; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.203.7 with HTTP; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3d57679a0805201123w463879d6lcaf87df656442cf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:23:45 -0700 From: "Rajeev Koodli" To: "Michael Welzl" In-Reply-To: <1211184052.3652.55.camel@pc105-c703.uibk.ac.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <424070.62934.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1211184052.3652.55.camel@pc105-c703.uibk.ac.at> Cc: rajeev_koodli@yahoo.com, irsg@isi.edu, basavaraj.patil@nsn.com, mobopts@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Mobopts] IRSG review of draft-irtf-mobopts-location-privacy-solutions-08.txt X-BeenThere: mobopts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1334611122==" Sender: mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@ietf.org --===============1334611122== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3099_27601428.1211307825653" ------=_Part_3099_27601428.1211307825653 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello Michael, thank you for your detailed review. The authors will take a look and respond. In the meanwhile, couple of quick replies below. On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Michael Welzl wrote: > > These rules also state that it must be very clear throughout the > document that > it is not an IETF product and is not a standard. I'm not sure if this is > really so clear in this case. > This is a boilerplate issue for an IRTF RFC. The RFC coming from the IRTF stream makes it evident that it is not an IETF product or a standard. The boilerplate in the eventual RFC will capture that (it's hard to mention this throughout the document) On the whole, the presentation is quite poor; while I have no expertise > in > this field (which, by the way, makes it very hard for me to comment on > technical issues), the document should be easier to read even for > someone like me than it is in its current form. > I understand. However, the document is fairly involved, and does assume familiarity with the nits and grits of IP mobility. We will try to address your input below. However, I am afraid we cannot simplify it further technically. Thanks again. -Rajeev ------=_Part_3099_27601428.1211307825653 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline


Hello Michael,

thank you for your detailed review. The authors will take a look and respond.

In the meanwhile, couple of quick replies below.

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Michael Welzl <michael.welzl@uibk.ac.at> wrote:

These rules also state that it must be very clear throughout the
document that
it is not an IETF product and is not a standard. I'm not sure if this is
really so clear in this case.

This is a boilerplate issue for an IRTF RFC. The RFC coming from the IRTF stream makes it evident that it is not an IETF product or a standard. The boilerplate in the eventual RFC will capture that (it's hard to mention this throughout the document)

On the whole, the presentation is quite poor; while I have no expertise
in
this field (which, by the way, makes it very hard for me to comment on
technical issues), the document should be easier to read even for
someone like me than it is in its current form.

I understand. However, the document is fairly involved, and does assume familiarity with the nits and grits of IP mobility. 
We will try to address your input below. However, I am afraid we cannot simplify it further technically.

Thanks again.

-Rajeev
 
------=_Part_3099_27601428.1211307825653-- --===============1334611122== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts --===============1334611122==-- From mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 30 15:55:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobopts-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-mobopts-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D146C3A6BA8; Fri, 30 May 2008 15:55:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: mobopts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: mobopts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A365F3A67D4 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 05:06:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.132 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.132 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.499, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, HOST_EQ_AT=0.745, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zg2RDtEPSpns for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 05:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.uibk.ac.at (lmr1.uibk.ac.at [138.232.1.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7493A6C8B for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 05:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [138.232.65.105] (pc105-c703.uibk.ac.at [138.232.65.105] michael.welzl@uibk.ac.at) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.uibk.ac.at (8.13.8/8.13.8/F1) with ESMTP id m4SC6UYB007905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 28 May 2008 14:06:30 +0200 From: Michael Welzl To: Rajeev Koodli In-Reply-To: <3d57679a0805201123w463879d6lcaf87df656442cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <424070.62934.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1211184052.3652.55.camel@pc105-c703.uibk.ac.at> <3d57679a0805201123w463879d6lcaf87df656442cf@mail.gmail.com> Organization: University of Innsbruck Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:06:30 +0200 Message-Id: <1211976390.3692.50.camel@pc105-c703.uibk.ac.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 (2.8.3-2.fc6) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 at uibk.ac.at on 138.232.1.140 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 May 2008 15:55:34 -0700 Cc: rajeev_koodli@yahoo.com, irsg@isi.edu, basavaraj.patil@nsn.com, mobopts@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Mobopts] IRSG review of draft-irtf-mobopts-location-privacy-solutions-08.txt X-BeenThere: mobopts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobility Optimizations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mobopts-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: mobopts-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 11:23 -0700, Rajeev Koodli wrote: > > > Hello Michael, > > > thank you for your detailed review. The authors will take a look and > respond. > > In the meanwhile, couple of quick replies below. > > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Michael Welzl > wrote: > > These rules also state that it must be very clear throughout > the > document that > it is not an IETF product and is not a standard. I'm not sure > if this is > really so clear in this case. > > > This is a boilerplate issue for an IRTF RFC. The RFC coming from the > IRTF stream makes it evident that it is not an IETF product or a > standard. The boilerplate in the eventual RFC will capture that (it's > hard to mention this throughout the document) fine, i think > On the whole, the presentation is quite poor; while I have no > expertise > in > this field (which, by the way, makes it very hard for me to > comment on > technical issues), the document should be easier to read even > for > someone like me than it is in its current form. > > > I understand. However, the document is fairly involved, and does > assume familiarity with the nits and grits of IP mobility. > We will try to address your input below. However, I am afraid we > cannot simplify it further technically. i understand that - but it will automatically be simplified by fixing the presentation, e.g. the missing terms at the beginning make it especially hard to read. with this document, it was hard for me to even concentrate on the actual technical content because the presentation is so broken. once that's fixed, everything will be easier to understand cheers michael _______________________________________________ Mobopts mailing list Mobopts@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mobopts