From nobody Sun Dec 15 04:34:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: model-t@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: model-t@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D91B1200B3 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 04:34:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yr2NleW0TZNl for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 04:34:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4804412004E for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 04:34:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBF36601F8 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 14:34:11 +0200 (EET) Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id goshbYRaQQk6 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 14:34:10 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:1829::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7651A6600BD for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 14:34:10 +0200 (EET) From: Jari Arkko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <9EDB8314-DA0D-4344-AB89-1AA7B75BA454@piuha.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 14:34:09 +0200 To: model-t@iab.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [Model-t] A couple of questions from our discussion in Singapore X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:34:15 -0000 I=E2=80=99m trying to update our draft to cover various different = issues. There were a couple of things that we discussed in Singapore and = earlier but I can=E2=80=99t quite recall what they exactly were: * I think Melinda brought up a point about decentralised apps and source = of trust in them. What was that exactly about? * Martin brought up a point about how some level of trust is needed for = any system. Could you expand on that so that I would understand the = issue? * Dkg and Ekr mentioned linkability at the summer SAAG meeting. I = wasn=E2=80=99t sure how that is related to the issues we=E2=80=99re = discussion, can someone enlighten me? Jari From nobody Sun Dec 15 06:08:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: model-t@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: model-t@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2EF120047 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:08:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nf-PxyNGPao7 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677BB12001A for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C5F6601F8 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 16:08:23 +0200 (EET) Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BFMAz4GdL1Fb for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 16:08:22 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:1829::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F04336600BD for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 16:08:21 +0200 (EET) From: Jari Arkko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <8CD29E13-4275-475B-9490-31A77A40AF6C@piuha.net> References: <157641849923.11618.2053441769786009530.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: model-t@iab.org Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 16:08:21 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [Model-t] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-arkko-farrell-arch-model-t-01.txt X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 14:08:27 -0000 FYI =E2=80=94 Stephen and I made a small update of the draft. We=E2=80=99v= e added some references, added some things that came up during SAAG or = Singapore Model-T discussions. Not complete/done by any means, and one = of the next things we want to do is to go over the material we have and = decide which parts are most relevant, perhaps re-structure and move some = parts to other documents. And you saw from earlier email that I had some = open questions about some points that we discussed previously. Would be = good to understand those as well. Question =E2=80=94 in Singapore, we talked about a number of different = angles and that people would post some of those. How are we doing on = those, anyone want to report anything yet? Stephen and I will also be sending around a doodle poll soon for = scheduling the Feb call that we talked about. 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What was that exactly about? > > * Martin brought up a point about how some level of trust is needed for > any system. Could you expand on that so that I would understand the issue= ? > > * Dkg and Ekr mentioned linkability at the summer SAAG meeting. I wasn=E2= =80=99t > sure how that is related to the issues we=E2=80=99re discussion, can some= one > enlighten me? > It's been so long that I don't remember, but linkability seems like a pretty serious privacy issue. Indeed, it's the basis of Web tracking. -Ekr > Jari > > > -- > Model-t mailing list > Model-t@iab.org > https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/model-t > --000000000000b103fd0599c6c831 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 4:34 AM Jari = Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net&= gt; wrote:

I=E2=80=99m trying to update our draft to cover various different issues. T= here were a couple of things that we discussed in Singapore and earlier but= I can=E2=80=99t quite recall what they exactly were:

* I think Melinda brought up a point about decentralised apps and source of= trust in them. What was that exactly about?

* Martin brought up a point about how some level of trust is needed for any= system. Could you expand on that so that I would understand the issue?

* Dkg and Ekr mentioned linkability at the summer SAAG meeting. I wasn=E2= =80=99t sure how that is related to the issues we=E2=80=99re discussion, ca= n someone enlighten me?

It's been s= o long that I don't remember, but linkability seems like a pretty serio= us privacy issue. Indeed, it's the basis of Web tracking.

-Ekr


Jari


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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rdBKA0r8ThEKuFacngx2PAuF87YMfZkPU" Archived-At: Subject: [Model-t] Poll for model-t chat in late-Jan/Feb X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 12:11:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --rdBKA0r8ThEKuFacngx2PAuF87YMfZkPU Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="x6myJlG104uV6DV5zq2mWaxQvWEBAhgv1"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: "model-t@iab.org" Message-ID: Subject: Poll for model-t chat in late-Jan/Feb --x6myJlG104uV6DV5zq2mWaxQvWEBAhgv1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F7D76549354145829F01187C" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F7D76549354145829F01187C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, I've setup a poll [1] to see if there's a good time for a model-t chat in late Jan/early Feb. All times there are in UTC. If you'd like to take part, please try fill that in before this Friday so we can schedule a time before folks disappear for the holidays. If all of those times are awful for you, but you'd like to take part please do let me know offlist. Ideally, people who said they'd produce some inputs (or update stuff), would have done that a couple of weeks before the call and we could then craft an agenda around whatever people have contributed and subsequent list discussion. IOW - if you said you'd produce something, please try do that before mid-Jan, bearing in mind unfinished somethings are perfectly fine for now:-) Cheers, S. 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16:54:35 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vvn61AgaunTlALnDylOVs11H60uEIj1yF" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Model-t] Poll for model-t chat in late-Jan/Feb X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 16:54:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --vvn61AgaunTlALnDylOVs11H60uEIj1yF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="UQUJZL7IsNEYJwOzltzUs8DybcB2eRK1v"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: "model-t@iab.org" Message-ID: <20f2cbe7-f9dc-d84b-1184-f62ca1601307@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: Poll for model-t chat in late-Jan/Feb References: In-Reply-To: --UQUJZL7IsNEYJwOzltzUs8DybcB2eRK1v Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B8F36A509FC6765CCD894B94" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B8F36A509FC6765CCD894B94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Just a reminder. [1] So far Feb 14th 1600 UTC is ahead but the numbers are small relative to how many people turned up at 7am in Singapore:-) If you can fill in the poll before the end of tomorrow (Friday) that'd be great. Cheers, S. [1] https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/model-t-2020-1/ On 16/12/2019 12:11, Stephen Farrell wrote: >=20 > Hiya, >=20 > I've setup a poll [1] to see if there's a good time > for a model-t chat in late Jan/early Feb. All times > there are in UTC. >=20 > If you'd like to take part, please try fill that in > before this Friday so we can schedule a time before > folks disappear for the holidays. If all of those > times are awful for you, but you'd like to take part > please do let me know offlist. >=20 > Ideally, people who said they'd produce some inputs > (or update stuff), would have done that a couple of > weeks before the call and we could then craft an > agenda around whatever people have contributed and > subsequent list discussion. IOW - if you said you'd > produce something, please try do that before mid-Jan, > bearing in mind unfinished somethings are perfectly > fine for now:-) >=20 > Cheers, > S. >=20 > [1] https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/model-t-2020-1/ >=20 >=20 --------------B8F36A509FC6765CCD894B94 Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name="0x5AB2FAF17B172BEA.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0x5AB2FAF17B172BEA.asc" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQINBFo9UDIBEADUH4ZPcUnX5WWRWO4kEkHea5Y5eEvZjSwe/YA+G0nrTuOU9nem CP5PMvmh5Cg8gBTyWyN4Z2+O25p9Tja5zUb+vPMWYvOtokRrp46yhFZOmiS5b6kT q0IqYzsEv5HI58S+QtaFq978CRa4xH9Gi9u4yzUmT03QNIGDXE37honcAM4MOEtE gvw4fVhVWJuyy3w//0F2tzKrEMjmL5VGuD/Q9+G/7abuXiYNNd9ZFjv4625AUWwy +pAh4EKzS1FE7BOZp9daMu9MUQmDqtZUbUv0Q+DnQAB/4tNncejJPz0p2z3MWCp5 iSwHiQvytYgatMp34a50l6CWqa13n6vY8VcPlIqOVz+7L+WiVfxLbeVqBwV+4uL9 to9zLF9IyUvl94lCxpscR2kgRgpM6A5LylRDkR6E0oudFnJgb097ZaNyuY1ETghV 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