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We = have some drafts that (obviously) didn=E2=80=99t get discussed last = week. It would be great to schedule a call for discussion on these = drafts and other issues in the next couple of weeks?

Drafts are = here:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lazanski-users-threat-mo= del-t/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lazanski-protocol-sec-de= sign-model-t/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-arkko-farrell-arch-model= -t/

Hope = to speak to you all soon,
Dominique
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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3030641C-E373-4122-8841-49E5EBF48EE8@lastpresslabel.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QwLIgNTiyjblovjv3Iw1lvv3pYKsBfiTY" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Model-t] feedback on drafts and call? X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 13:40:49 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --QwLIgNTiyjblovjv3Iw1lvv3pYKsBfiTY Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Zxo9qPCfIhFgJxV4yHFyphfzue2LSO8Eh"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: Dominique Lazanski , model-t@iab.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Model-t] feedback on drafts and call? References: <3030641C-E373-4122-8841-49E5EBF48EE8@lastpresslabel.com> In-Reply-To: <3030641C-E373-4122-8841-49E5EBF48EE8@lastpresslabel.com> --Zxo9qPCfIhFgJxV4yHFyphfzue2LSO8Eh Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------17C2F67854C71E14DDBD7AA1" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------17C2F67854C71E14DDBD7AA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/04/2020 14:27, Dominique Lazanski wrote: > We have some drafts that (obviously) didn=E2=80=99t get discussed last = week. > It would be great to schedule a call for discussion on these drafts > and other issues in the next couple of weeks? Yep, I'll send around a poll for a slot later or tomorrow, was just waiting 'till a few other things got sorted first. 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drafts and call? X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 13:45:54 -0000 > On 1 Apr 2020, at 15:40, Stephen Farrell = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 01/04/2020 14:27, Dominique Lazanski wrote: >> We have some drafts that (obviously) didn=E2=80=99t get discussed = last week. >> It would be great to schedule a call for discussion on these drafts >> and other issues in the next couple of weeks? > Yep, I'll send around a poll for a slot later or tomorrow, > was just waiting 'till a few other things got sorted first. Awesome. 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X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 11:30:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --d82zuE48k2ytPXZWrSp4Cea9nDIv7jXdL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="hBFvCWLQyirWkS5CPLq92eGC5IqUeHBBY"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: "model-t@iab.org" Message-ID: <761a695c-eb86-a919-c550-82aa4929ece5@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: virtual model-t meeting instead of f2f.... --hBFvCWLQyirWkS5CPLq92eGC5IqUeHBBY Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------65DB8223CDA89AC285BAA67D" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------65DB8223CDA89AC285BAA67D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, To replace the planned WG sessions in Vancouver the IESG allocated dates for each scheduled slot in an attempt to try avoid too many conflicts. The date they assigned for model-t was April 20th so let's see if that a slot on that date works for enough people to make a meeting worthwhile. If not, we can start over. I've create a poll [1] with times in UTC for that day. The gap in the middle is so we don't overlap with two other IETF WG calls that day. If the distribution is bi-modal, we could I guess do two calls that day, one early (in UTC) and one later, to be more inclusive but let's see what we get. (The last call we had was at a worst-case time for some participants from .au, so I said we'd try be nicer to 'em next time we did a call.) Please fill in the poll before say next Tuesday and we can see where we're at then. If you can't make the 20th at all filling in the poll to indicate that will still be useful but it's also ok to mail me just saying that if you prefer. Cheers, S. 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16:42:27 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <761a695c-eb86-a919-c550-82aa4929ece5@cs.tcd.ie> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JzWi89FkBUJPQVA8kTec6AWEK06IvEYfO" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Model-t] virtual model-t meeting instead of f2f.... X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2020 15:42:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --JzWi89FkBUJPQVA8kTec6AWEK06IvEYfO Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="yhU3yOjoSskH4ST0JbNKAZQ72J9oT2H73"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: "model-t@iab.org" Message-ID: <3573d4e9-d4a6-176d-1639-3d59c244c715@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: virtual model-t meeting instead of f2f.... References: <761a695c-eb86-a919-c550-82aa4929ece5@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: <761a695c-eb86-a919-c550-82aa4929ece5@cs.tcd.ie> --yhU3yOjoSskH4ST0JbNKAZQ72J9oT2H73 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F941EC2EC4DCF8899932CC45" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F941EC2EC4DCF8899932CC45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, We don't have too many responses yet, not sure if people are overwhelmed by IETF calls this month or what, but if you can fill in the poll [1] below in the next few hours, that'd be appreciated. Cheers, S. [1] https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/model-t-not-in-vancouver/ > On 02/04/2020 12:30, Stephen Farrell wrote: >=20 > Hiya, >=20 > To replace the planned WG sessions in Vancouver the IESG > allocated dates for each scheduled slot in an attempt to > try avoid too many conflicts. >=20 > The date they assigned for model-t was April 20th so let's > see if that a slot on that date works for enough people > to make a meeting worthwhile. If not, we can start over. >=20 > I've create a poll [1] with times in UTC for that day. > The gap in the middle is so we don't overlap with two > other IETF WG calls that day. >=20 > If the distribution is bi-modal, we could I guess do two > calls that day, one early (in UTC) and one later, to be > more inclusive but let's see what we get. (The last call > we had was at a worst-case time for some participants > from .au, so I said we'd try be nicer to 'em next time > we did a call.) >=20 > Please fill in the poll before say next Tuesday and we > can see where we're at then. If you can't make the 20th > at all filling in the poll to indicate that will still > be useful but it's also ok to mail me just saying that > if you prefer. >=20 > Cheers, > S. >=20 > [1] https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/model-t-not-in-vancouver/ >=20 >=20 --------------F941EC2EC4DCF8899932CC45 Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name="0x5AB2FAF17B172BEA.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0x5AB2FAF17B172BEA.asc" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQINBFo9UDIBEADUH4ZPcUnX5WWRWO4kEkHea5Y5eEvZjSwe/YA+G0nrTuOU9nem CP5PMvmh5Cg8gBTyWyN4Z2+O25p9Tja5zUb+vPMWYvOtokRrp46yhFZOmiS5b6kT q0IqYzsEv5HI58S+QtaFq978CRa4xH9Gi9u4yzUmT03QNIGDXE37honcAM4MOEtE gvw4fVhVWJuyy3w//0F2tzKrEMjmL5VGuD/Q9+G/7abuXiYNNd9ZFjv4625AUWwy +pAh4EKzS1FE7BOZp9daMu9MUQmDqtZUbUv0Q+DnQAB/4tNncejJPz0p2z3MWCp5 iSwHiQvytYgatMp34a50l6CWqa13n6vY8VcPlIqOVz+7L+WiVfxLbeVqBwV+4uL9 to9zLF9IyUvl94lCxpscR2kgRgpM6A5LylRDkR6E0oudFnJgb097ZaNyuY1ETghV 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X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 11:13:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --n61xcw581FIXOglcHgTGE7J5nA6N2HHp1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ArhlkroUmRWfSLuSGc1ygb94cJ5LGfQAp"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: "model-t@iab.org" Message-ID: <18464378-e0d1-852e-ba9b-3283201ea633@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: virtual model-t meeting instead of f2f.... References: <761a695c-eb86-a919-c550-82aa4929ece5@cs.tcd.ie> <3573d4e9-d4a6-176d-1639-3d59c244c715@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: <3573d4e9-d4a6-176d-1639-3d59c244c715@cs.tcd.ie> --ArhlkroUmRWfSLuSGc1ygb94cJ5LGfQAp Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5845FD97A6E766E9C7B73199" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5845FD97A6E766E9C7B73199 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, So we only had 11 responses there but the the winner in a tight call is April 20 1900 UTC. I'll get that setup and send call details closer to time. If people want to suggest agenda slots/topics please do so on the list. Cheers, S. On 07/04/2020 16:42, Stephen Farrell wrote: >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > We don't have too many responses yet, not sure if people > are overwhelmed by IETF calls this month or what, but if > you can fill in the poll [1] below in the next few hours, > that'd be appreciated. >=20 > Cheers, > S. >=20 > [1] https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/model-t-not-in-vancouver/ >> >=20 > On 02/04/2020 12:30, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> >> Hiya, >> >> To replace the planned WG sessions in Vancouver the IESG >> allocated dates for each scheduled slot in an attempt to >> try avoid too many conflicts. >> >> The date they assigned for model-t was April 20th so let's >> see if that a slot on that date works for enough people >> to make a meeting worthwhile. If not, we can start over. >> >> I've create a poll [1] with times in UTC for that day. >> The gap in the middle is so we don't overlap with two >> other IETF WG calls that day. >> >> If the distribution is bi-modal, we could I guess do two >> calls that day, one early (in UTC) and one later, to be >> more inclusive but let's see what we get. (The last call >> we had was at a worst-case time for some participants >> from .au, so I said we'd try be nicer to 'em next time >> we did a call.) >> >> Please fill in the poll before say next Tuesday and we >> can see where we're at then. If you can't make the 20th >> at all filling in the poll to indicate that will still >> be useful but it's also ok to mail me just saying that >> if you prefer. >> >> Cheers, >> S. >> >> [1] https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/model-t-not-in-vancouver/ >> >> >> --------------5845FD97A6E766E9C7B73199 Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name="0x5AB2FAF17B172BEA.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0x5AB2FAF17B172BEA.asc" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQINBFo9UDIBEADUH4ZPcUnX5WWRWO4kEkHea5Y5eEvZjSwe/YA+G0nrTuOU9nem CP5PMvmh5Cg8gBTyWyN4Z2+O25p9Tja5zUb+vPMWYvOtokRrp46yhFZOmiS5b6kT q0IqYzsEv5HI58S+QtaFq978CRa4xH9Gi9u4yzUmT03QNIGDXE37honcAM4MOEtE gvw4fVhVWJuyy3w//0F2tzKrEMjmL5VGuD/Q9+G/7abuXiYNNd9ZFjv4625AUWwy +pAh4EKzS1FE7BOZp9daMu9MUQmDqtZUbUv0Q+DnQAB/4tNncejJPz0p2z3MWCp5 iSwHiQvytYgatMp34a50l6CWqa13n6vY8VcPlIqOVz+7L+WiVfxLbeVqBwV+4uL9 to9zLF9IyUvl94lCxpscR2kgRgpM6A5LylRDkR6E0oudFnJgb097ZaNyuY1ETghV 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X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 13:20:19 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EBCC565F-D5A0-41AE-8F42-159586F3BBC6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How long do you expect the call to be ? > On Apr 8, 2020, at 5:13 AM, Stephen Farrell = wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > So we only had 11 responses there but the the winner > in a tight call is April 20 1900 UTC. I'll get that > setup and send call details closer to time. If people > want to suggest agenda slots/topics please do so on > the list. >=20 > Cheers, > S. --Apple-Mail=_EBCC565F-D5A0-41AE-8F42-159586F3BBC6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

How long do you expect the call to be = ?


On Apr 8, 2020, at 5:13 AM, = Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:


Hi all,

So we only had 11 responses = there but the the winner
in a tight call is April 20 1900 UTC. I'll get that
setup and send call details = closer to time. If people
want to suggest agenda slots/topics please do so on
the list.

Cheers,
S.

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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1F9D2A33-BAC7-4C30-982D-81604D8A31F8@iii.ca> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JwrW8S4AQOjwCuKOJv8WTA2MGKmf37glg" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Model-t] virtual model-t meeting instead of f2f.... X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 13:23:08 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --JwrW8S4AQOjwCuKOJv8WTA2MGKmf37glg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="xMwiYVbpAftIYkGekxW02dQnlDhM6VgmG"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: Cullen Jennings Cc: "model-t@iab.org" Message-ID: <0108ba82-9b91-1f73-da5b-c70c5bbb82a4@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: [Model-t] virtual model-t meeting instead of f2f.... References: <761a695c-eb86-a919-c550-82aa4929ece5@cs.tcd.ie> <3573d4e9-d4a6-176d-1639-3d59c244c715@cs.tcd.ie> <18464378-e0d1-852e-ba9b-3283201ea633@cs.tcd.ie> <1F9D2A33-BAC7-4C30-982D-81604D8A31F8@iii.ca> In-Reply-To: <1F9D2A33-BAC7-4C30-982D-81604D8A31F8@iii.ca> --xMwiYVbpAftIYkGekxW02dQnlDhM6VgmG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C005430915BE2DD2972E6EB5" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C005430915BE2DD2972E6EB5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/04/2020 14:19, Cullen Jennings wrote: >=20 > How long do you expect the call to be ? Depends on what agenda items we get. <1 hr is my guess. S. >=20 >=20 >> On Apr 8, 2020, at 5:13 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> So we only had 11 responses there but the the winner >> in a tight call is April 20 1900 UTC. I'll get that >> setup and send call details closer to time. 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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42C7D40C-BCE1-4457-8F78-06FB0195D8B9@lastpresslabel.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FxlX9ZsCdItGkQRBwBalWfPwupd31WRlS" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Model-t] Agenda items X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:50:33 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --FxlX9ZsCdItGkQRBwBalWfPwupd31WRlS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="qvd8es6YEowldPXgyHox0YGhm83QOcfsP"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: Dominique Lazanski , model-t@iab.org Message-ID: <5deabbcb-4adc-2b2f-d69a-1b31d7304865@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: [Model-t] Agenda items References: <42C7D40C-BCE1-4457-8F78-06FB0195D8B9@lastpresslabel.com> In-Reply-To: <42C7D40C-BCE1-4457-8F78-06FB0195D8B9@lastpresslabel.com> --qvd8es6YEowldPXgyHox0YGhm83QOcfsP Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A6EF68C8CCD98A0053EE0693" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A6EF68C8CCD98A0053EE0693 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, On 14/04/2020 10:34, Dominique Lazanski wrote: > Hi =E2=80=94 >=20 > Hope everyone is doing well and staying healthy! >=20 > I have been thinking about agenda items for the upcoming call. It > would be great if we could go through drafts and have a brief > discussion on them and also discuss way forward and work before our > (hopefully) f2f meeting in Madrid. Yep, that's more or less what I was thinking too. (Though perhaps with less optimism about Madrid, but we'll find out about that in the next month or so I guess;-) If anyone has other agenda items to offer, please just send mail. 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Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hbrYKjIA7dfpO5vkFJ67lGcmVOFGdTfE7" Archived-At: Subject: [Model-t] Today's call agenda X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:34:02 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --hbrYKjIA7dfpO5vkFJ67lGcmVOFGdTfE7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="AMot1fh57latsm6m6C5q0yDOHmKm69aUg"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: "model-t@iab.org" Message-ID: Subject: Today's call agenda --AMot1fh57latsm6m6C5q0yDOHmKm69aUg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5BB64B5C2A4B06CFACF2E310" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5BB64B5C2A4B06CFACF2E310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Apologies again for the late agenda but the substantive content is basically as described before - to chat about the existing I-Ds. As of now, we have no slides (yay!). Comments/changes to this agenda are still welcome. Cheers, S. IAB model-t programme 20200420 concall Call details: webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dma0d9b9c9faaf6d5e6d76634f3297d7d= a Meeting number (access code): 614 431 017 Meeting password: G5Mdiww2ZE6 call time: April 20 2020, 1900 UTC Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/model-t-notes-20200420 Agenda: 0. Administrivia/agenda-bash Get minute taker. Turn on recording! 1. Drafts For each draft where we have a willing person: a brief description of the draft and recent changes, followed by comments/Q&A from meetin= g participants. (As of now, there are no slides.) 1.1 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mcfadden-smart-endpoint-taxonomy-for-cl= ess 1.2 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lazanski-users-threat-model-t 1.3 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lazanski-protocol-sec-design-model-t 1.4 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-farrell-arch-model-t 2. Planning Future calls/meetings assuming IETF108 is online-only - what would people like? 3. 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<471e0f1a-416d-518c-bb49-d00661ed9641@cs.tcd.ie> To: "model-t@iab.org" In-Reply-To: <471e0f1a-416d-518c-bb49-d00661ed9641@cs.tcd.ie> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [Model-t] REMINDER: model-t call today (April 20th call @ UTC 1900) X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:44:57 -0000 We are meeting in a bit over an hour from now: Agenda: > 0. Administrivia/agenda-bash > Get minute taker. Turn on recording! >=20 > 1. Drafts > For each draft where we have a willing person: a brief description > of the draft and recent changes, followed by comments/Q&A from = meeting > participants. (As of now, there are no slides.) >=20 > 1.1 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mcfadden-smart-endpoint-taxonomy-for-cle= ss > 1.2 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lazanski-users-threat-model-t > 1.3 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lazanski-protocol-sec-design-model-t > 1.4 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-farrell-arch-model-t >=20 > 2. Planning >=20 > Future calls/meetings assuming IETF108 is online-only - what would = people like? >=20 > 3. AOB Webex details: > = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dma0d9b9c9faaf6d5e6d76634f3297d7da= > Meeting number (access code): 614 431 017 > Meeting password: G5Mdiww2ZE6 >=20 > JOIN BY PHONE > 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > Tap here to call (mobile phones only, hosts not supported): > tel:%2B1-650-479-3208,,*01*614431017%23%23*01* > 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) > Tap here to call (mobile phones only, hosts not supported): > tel:1-877-668-4493,,*01*614431017%23%23*01* >=20 > Global call-in numbers > = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/globalcallin.php?MTID=3Dm0ee17d4d7a8a4d9ba2609= 4a06b03f740 >=20 > Toll-free calling restrictions > https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf From nobody Mon Apr 20 10:49:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: model-t@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: model-t@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0425A3A0BEF for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:49:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sxJn1Z3U1Qys for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34C7E3A0C37 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.42.112] (p548DCD70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.205.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 495Yzm4k4fzyd1; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:47:00 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:47:00 +0200 Cc: "model-t@iab.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 609097620.087119-8df75f2522a72bcacd6048745c18f4ea Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <471e0f1a-416d-518c-bb49-d00661ed9641@cs.tcd.ie> To: Jari Arkko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Model-t] REMINDER: model-t call today (April 20th call @ UTC 1900) X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:49:32 -0000 On 2020-04-20, at 19:43 CEST, Jari Arkko wrote: >=20 > We are meeting in a bit over an hour from now: Not that I would mind, but 1900Z =3D 21:00 CEST =3D 22:00 EEST. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Apr 20 11:16:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: model-t@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: model-t@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601393A0BDB for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:16:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pWXsTmJddavQ for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933773A0DB2 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D396601C0; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:13:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QnKUV5sNeOrp; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:13:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:1829::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D212A660082; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:13:20 +0300 (EEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:13:19 +0300 Cc: "model-t@iab.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <471e0f1a-416d-518c-bb49-d00661ed9641@cs.tcd.ie> To: Carsten Bormann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Model-t] REMINDER: model-t call today (April 20th call @ UTC 1900) X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:16:32 -0000 Carsten: I wasn=E2=80=99t sure what you were trying to say, but our call is now = in about 50 minutes. Thanks for posting the CEST and EEST values. 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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2Qn85J7KBRTKjcHCBO3ZIoaihABM5dE1s" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Model-t] REMINDER: model-t call today (April 20th call @ UTC 1900) X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:17:37 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --2Qn85J7KBRTKjcHCBO3ZIoaihABM5dE1s Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="2xo1bPADeAaNRw5J1eVc9IqOEo6tMF8WQ"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: Carsten Bormann Cc: "model-t@iab.org" Message-ID: <8fd21798-a522-9bb7-aeaa-873a07473222@cs.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: [Model-t] REMINDER: model-t call today (April 20th call @ UTC 1900) References: <471e0f1a-416d-518c-bb49-d00661ed9641@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: --2xo1bPADeAaNRw5J1eVc9IqOEo6tMF8WQ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4FF437208EFFC4A061CCE9AB" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4FF437208EFFC4A061CCE9AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 20/04/2020 18:47, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2020-04-20, at 19:43 CEST, Jari Arkko wrote: >> >> We are meeting in a bit over an hour from now: >=20 > Not that I would mind, but 1900Z =3D 21:00 CEST =3D 22:00 EEST. That is correct and is what the poll produced. (And it's now 45 mins and no longer over an hour:-) BTW, we don't escape entirely slide-free - Mark sent me some for his slot. [1] Cheers, S. 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from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YpBXWq3vFK2x for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:1829::130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67C03A0BC1 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867976601C0; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:32:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TOHH7K2AAS5s; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:32:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:1829::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BC47660082; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:32:10 +0300 (EEST) From: Jari Arkko Message-Id: <135472AE-D94C-425A-88AE-0CF97A7E05CA@piuha.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A6707492-816D-45C1-9864-7D1D4DE16CAE" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:32:09 +0300 In-Reply-To: <8fd21798-a522-9bb7-aeaa-873a07473222@cs.tcd.ie> Cc: "model-t@iab.org" To: Stephen Farrell References: <471e0f1a-416d-518c-bb49-d00661ed9641@cs.tcd.ie> <8fd21798-a522-9bb7-aeaa-873a07473222@cs.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Model-t] REMINDER: model-t call today (April 20th call @ UTC 1900) X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:32:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A6707492-816D-45C1-9864-7D1D4DE16CAE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > = https://down.dsg.cs.tcd.ie/misc/draft-mcfadden-smart-endpoint-taxonomy-for= -cless.pdf = Cool. I have also a one-slider for our draft at: https://arkko.com/ietf/iab/model-t-preso-apr2020.pdf = Jari --Apple-Mail=_A6707492-816D-45C1-9864-7D1D4DE16CAE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I have also a one-slider for our draft at:


Jari

--Apple-Mail=_A6707492-816D-45C1-9864-7D1D4DE16CAE-- From nobody Mon Apr 20 11:41:40 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: model-t@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: model-t@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020A53A0C27 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:41:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.012 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cJEZLGVpbsee for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D4B03A0C03 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.42.112] (p548DCD70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.205.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 495bBQ2Q40zyXm; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 20:41:18 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 20:41:17 +0200 Cc: "model-t@iab.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 609100877.893317-568d5fbf070002ba3d1b2fa8576a2910 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <471e0f1a-416d-518c-bb49-d00661ed9641@cs.tcd.ie> To: Jari Arkko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Model-t] REMINDER: model-t call today (April 20th call @ UTC 1900) X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:41:39 -0000 On 2020-04-20, at 20:13, Jari Arkko wrote: >=20 > I wasn=E2=80=99t sure what you were trying to say, but our call is now = in about 50 minutes. Thanks for posting the CEST and EEST values. Thanks Jari, you are a true master of diplomacy. What actually happened was funny enough to me that I=E2=80=99ll tell it: I read your message, looked at the clock on my screen, and felt the need = to adjust the times in the message a bit. Now, looking at the clock = again, I notice that I apparently looked at the indicator immediately to = the left of it, which gives the time in hours:minutes it will take until = my laptop battery will be fully charged. It seems it was ~ 19:00 then, = a minute ago was 15:56, und now is gone because the battery is fully = charged=E2=80=A6 I claim https://xkcd.com/612/. See you in 20 minutes. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Apr 20 11:44:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: model-t@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: model-t@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F893A0CFE for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:44:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hfamD5QMAP01 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7319E3A0C93 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D566601C0; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:43:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o7PjLk0Kl7nR; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:43:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:1829::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8677660082; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:43:47 +0300 (EEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:43:46 +0300 Cc: "model-t@iab.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <36780539-559A-4CBE-8905-8DFE4640BBDB@piuha.net> References: <471e0f1a-416d-518c-bb49-d00661ed9641@cs.tcd.ie> To: Carsten Bormann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Model-t] REMINDER: model-t call today (April 20th call @ UTC 1900) X-BeenThere: model-t@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:44:11 -0000 :-)