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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Media OPerationS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Operational Considerations for Streaming Media
        Authors         : Jake Holland
                          Ali Begen
                          Spencer Dawkins
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons-07.txt
	Pages           : 48
	Date            : 2021-09-14

Abstract:
   This document provides an overview of operational networking issues
   that pertain to quality of experience in streaming of video and other
   high-bitrate media over the Internet.


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Dear MOPS Chairs,

We (the editors) think this draft is ready for WGLC.

There are two remaining issues that are open in Github, at
https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/issues.

Both of these were agreed as "nice to have" at the MOPS session at IETF
111. We(*) might still suggest text for them, but it seems unnecessary to
delay WGLC for -07 of this draft.

If you agree, please Do The Right Thing.

Best,

Spencer

(*) and, of course, the cool thing about this being a working group draft,
is that ANYONE can suggest text for these issues, either as PRs in Github
or on this mailing list. Awesome, isn't it?

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 9:05 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Media OPerationS WG of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : Operational Considerations for Streaming Media
>         Authors         : Jake Holland
>                           Ali Begen
>                           Spencer Dawkins
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons-07.txt
>         Pages           : 48
>         Date            : 2021-09-14
>
> Abstract:
>    This document provides an overview of operational networking issues
>    that pertain to quality of experience in streaming of video and other
>    high-bitrate media over the Internet.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/
>
> There is also an HTML version available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons-07.html
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons-07
>
>
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear MOPS Chairs,=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br></div><div>We (the editors) think this draft is ready for WGLC.=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>There are two remaining issues that are open i=
n Github, at=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mop=
s-streaming-opcons/issues">https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-=
streaming-opcons/issues</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>Both of these were ag=
reed as &quot;nice to have&quot; at the MOPS session at IETF 111. We(*) mig=
ht still suggest text for them, but it seems unnecessary to delay WGLC for =
-07 of this draft.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>If you agree, please Do T=
he Right Thing.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Spencer</div><div><br></div><div>(*) and, of course, the cool thing abou=
t this being a working group draft, is that ANYONE can suggest text for the=
se issues, either as PRs in Github or on this mailing list. Awesome, isn&#3=
9;t it?=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 9:05 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:internet=
-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
This draft is a work item of the Media OPerationS WG of the IETF.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 Operational Considerations for Streaming Media<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Jake=
 Holland<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ali Begen<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Spencer Dawkins<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet=
f-mops-streaming-opcons-07.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 48<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :=
 2021-09-14<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document provides an overview of operational networking i=
ssues<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0that pertain to quality of experience in streaming of video an=
d other<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0high-bitrate media over the Internet.<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
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s/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d=
raft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/</a><br>
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/id/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons-07.html</a><br>
<br>
A diff from the previous version is available at:<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mops-streaming-op=
cons-07" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?=
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Number of Sessions: 1
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Events without label "editorial"

Issues
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* ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons (+0/-4/=F0=9F=92=AC5)
  3 issues received 5 new comments:
  - #90 Ultra Low-Latency Capabilities (1 by SpencerDawkins)
    https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/issues=
/90=20
  - #77 Section on consequences of poor bitrate choice? (3 by SpencerDawkin=
s, squarooticus)
    https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/issues=
/77 [documentation]=20
  - #14 Citations, references, and pointers to resources for further readin=
g (1 by SpencerDawkins)
    https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/issues=
/14=20

  4 issues closed:
  - Section on consequences of poor bitrate choice? https://github.com/ietf=
-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/issues/77 [documentation]=20
  - Citations, references, and pointers to resources for further reading ht=
tps://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/issues/14=20
  - Ultra Low-Latency Capabilities https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ie=
tf-mops-streaming-opcons/issues/90=20
  - Articulate the sources of constraints on bandwidth at different points =
of the network https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-op=
cons/issues/12=20



Pull requests
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* ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons (+1/-3/=F0=9F=92=AC1)
  1 pull requests submitted:
  - add reference for bufferbloat (by SpencerDawkins)
    https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/pull/9=
2=20

  1 pull requests received 1 new comments:
  - #89 Add bandwidth Constraints section (1 by acbegen)
    https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/pull/8=
9=20

  3 pull requests merged:
  - add reference for bufferbloat
    https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/pull/9=
2=20
  - Addressing issue #90 #14
    https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/pull/9=
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<h1>Sunday September 19, 2021</h1>

<p>Events without label "editorial"</p>

<h2>Issues</h2>

<h3>ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons (+0/-4/=F0=9F=92=AC5)</h3>

  <p>3 issues received 5 new comments:</p>
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ing-opcons/issues/90">Ultra Low-Latency Capabilities</a> (1 by SpencerDawki=
ns) </li>
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3 by SpencerDawkins, squarooticus) <span class=3D"label" style=3D"backgroun=
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further reading</a> </li>
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ing-opcons/issues/90">Ultra Low-Latency Capabilities</a> </li>
 =20
  <li>#12 <a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-stream=
ing-opcons/issues/12">Articulate the sources of constraints on bandwidth at=
 different points of the network</a> </li>
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<h2>Pull requests</h2>
<h3>ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons (+1/-3/=F0=9F=92=AC1)</h3>
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  <li>#92 <a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-stream=
ing-opcons/pull/92">add reference for bufferbloat</a> (by SpencerDawkins) <=
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  <p>1 pull requests received 1 new comments:</p>
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  <li>#89 <a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-stream=
ing-opcons/pull/89">Add bandwidth Constraints section</a> (1 by acbegen) </=
li>
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  <p>3 pull requests merged:</p>
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  <li>#92 <a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-stream=
ing-opcons/pull/92">add reference for bufferbloat</a> </li>
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  <li>#91 <a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-stream=
ing-opcons/pull/91">Addressing issue #90 #14</a> </li>
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  <li>#89 <a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-wg-mops/draft-ietf-mops-stream=
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Jake, Spencer and Ali!

With that, please review the document [0], and share any comments and/or=20
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We=E2=80=99ll run the WGLC for 2 weeks - so, to close of business (wherev=
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Thanks,
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<p dir=3D"auto">Thanks,<br>
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Hi,

I can’t upload this as long as our session isn’t scheduled yet, but 
here’s a draft agenda for our meeting at IETF 112.

Of particular note — be sure to read and comment on the document 
currently in WGLC :^)  and review the milestones.

Any other agenda items welcomed.

#MOPS IETF 112 Virtual Agenda
November-somethingith, 2020.

##Admin [5 min]

* Note well
* Agenda bash
* Jabber scribe
* Minutes taker <NEW URL>

##Industry News/Experiences [50min]
SVA updates (Glenn Deen/Sanjay Mishra) [20min]

##WG Docs [20 min]
* Ops Cons  — any follow up from WG last call? (Jake Holland)
* Media Operations Use Case for an Augmented Reality Application on Edge 
Computing Infrastructure (Renan Krishna)


##Related IETF work [20 min]



## Milestones [15 min]
* Revisit and review

## AoB [5min]

Leslie.

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<p dir=3D"auto">Hi,</p>

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<p dir=3D"auto">November-somethingith, 2020.</p>

<h2 style=3D"font-size:1.2em">Admin [5 min]</h2>

<ul>
<li>Note well</li>
<li>Agenda bash</li>
<li>Jabber scribe</li>
<li>Minutes taker &lt;NEW URL&gt;</li>
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Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises</p>

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