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 From the charter:

> (b) New search method using prefix match and a comparator (TBD)

This apparently means that it'll be possible to use all of these  
existing search engines to perform the searches, right? Since the  
search engines typically support returning results sorted by the  
relevancy score, this extension should probably introduce a new sort  
key as well? So something like:

1 SORT (SCORE DESC DATE) TEXT "hello world"

Does this look useful? I already need this now, so I think I'll  
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Hi everyone,
I would like to propose the following agenda for the MORG BOF in Dublin:

Agenda bashing                                       ( 5 mins)
BOF Introduction                                     (15 mins)
SEARCH=INTHREAD and THREAD=REFS Extensions
(draft-gulbrandsen-imap-inthread-02.txt)             (20 mins)
New address sort extension to SORT
(draft-karp-morg-sortdisplay-00.txt)                 (15 mins)
IMAP4 Multimailbox SEARCH Extension
(draft-melnikov-imapext-multimailbox-search-03.txt)  (15 mins)
IMAP Extension for per-mailbox/per-server attributes
(draft-daboo-imap-annotatemore-13.txt)               (20 mins)
STATUS-in-LIST
(draft-melnikov-imapext-status-in-list-00.txt)       (10 mins)
New comparators for IMAP (and Sieve)                 (15 mins)
Sorting by relevancy                                 (15 mins)
IMAP keyword management proposal                     ( 5 mins)


Proposed WG Charter Discussion                       (15 mins)
=================================
Total:                                               150 mins

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Hi Alexey,
could we take the charter discussions as the first on the list?
Just to put the rest of the meeting into perspective for those (like me) wi=
thout previous background on this BoF. (Where it comes from and what it aim=
s to achieve.)
Thank you for considering.

Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh
E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com
Phone: +358 50 386 0566

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Hi everyone,
I would like to propose the following agenda for the MORG BOF in Dublin:

Agenda bashing                                       ( 5 mins)
BOF Introduction                                     (15 mins)
SEARCH=3DINTHREAD and THREAD=3DREFS Extensions
(draft-gulbrandsen-imap-inthread-02.txt)             (20 mins)
New address sort extension to SORT
(draft-karp-morg-sortdisplay-00.txt)                 (15 mins)
IMAP4 Multimailbox SEARCH Extension
(draft-melnikov-imapext-multimailbox-search-03.txt)  (15 mins) IMAP Extensi=
on for per-mailbox/per-server attributes
(draft-daboo-imap-annotatemore-13.txt)               (20 mins)
STATUS-in-LIST
(draft-melnikov-imapext-status-in-list-00.txt)       (10 mins)
New comparators for IMAP (and Sieve)                 (15 mins)
Sorting by relevancy                                 (15 mins)
IMAP keyword management proposal                     ( 5 mins)


Proposed WG Charter Discussion                       (15 mins)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Total:                                               150 mins

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Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com wrote:

>Hi Alexey,
>  =

>
Hi Zoltan,

>could we take the charter discussions as the first on the list?
>  =

>
>Just to put the rest of the meeting into perspective for those (like me) w=
ithout previous background on this BoF. (Where it comes from and what it ai=
ms to achieve.)
>  =

>
This is covered by "BOF Introduction" item on my proposed agenda.
The "charter discussion" item is specifically to discuss whether this =

effort should become a WG and which documents should be in the charter.

>Thank you for considering.
>
>Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh
>E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com
>Phone: +358 50 386 0566
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: morg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:morg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ex=
t Alexey Melnikov
>Sent: 14 July, 2008 20:18
>To: morg@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [MORG] Proposed agenda for the MORG BOF
>
>Hi everyone,
>I would like to propose the following agenda for the MORG BOF in Dublin:
>
>Agenda bashing                                       ( 5 mins)
>BOF Introduction                                     (15 mins)
>SEARCH=3DINTHREAD and THREAD=3DREFS Extensions
>(draft-gulbrandsen-imap-inthread-02.txt)             (20 mins)
>New address sort extension to SORT
>(draft-karp-morg-sortdisplay-00.txt)                 (15 mins)
>IMAP4 Multimailbox SEARCH Extension
>(draft-melnikov-imapext-multimailbox-search-03.txt)  (15 mins) IMAP Extens=
ion for per-mailbox/per-server attributes
>(draft-daboo-imap-annotatemore-13.txt)               (20 mins)
>STATUS-in-LIST
>(draft-melnikov-imapext-status-in-list-00.txt)       (10 mins)
>New comparators for IMAP (and Sieve)                 (15 mins)
>Sorting by relevancy                                 (15 mins)
>IMAP keyword management proposal                     ( 5 mins)
>
>
>Proposed WG Charter Discussion                       (15 mins)
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>Total:                                               150 mins
>
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>  =

>

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Hi Alexey,
fair enough, thank you. =


Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh
E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com
Phone: +358 50 386 0566

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Zoltan.Ordogh@nokia.com wrote:

>Hi Alexey,
>  =

>
Hi Zoltan,

>could we take the charter discussions as the first on the list?
>  =

>
>Just to put the rest of the meeting into perspective for those (like =

>me) without previous background on this BoF. (Where it comes from and =

>what it aims to achieve.)
>  =

>
This is covered by "BOF Introduction" item on my proposed agenda.
The "charter discussion" item is specifically to discuss whether this effor=
t should become a WG and which documents should be in the charter.

>Thank you for considering.
>
>Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh
>E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com
>Phone: +358 50 386 0566
>
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>ext Alexey Melnikov
>Sent: 14 July, 2008 20:18
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>Hi everyone,
>I would like to propose the following agenda for the MORG BOF in Dublin:
>
>Agenda bashing                                       ( 5 mins)
>BOF Introduction                                     (15 mins)
>SEARCH=3DINTHREAD and THREAD=3DREFS Extensions
>(draft-gulbrandsen-imap-inthread-02.txt)             (20 mins)
>New address sort extension to SORT
>(draft-karp-morg-sortdisplay-00.txt)                 (15 mins)
>IMAP4 Multimailbox SEARCH Extension
>(draft-melnikov-imapext-multimailbox-search-03.txt)  (15 mins) IMAP Extens=
ion for per-mailbox/per-server attributes
>(draft-daboo-imap-annotatemore-13.txt)               (20 mins)
>STATUS-in-LIST
>(draft-melnikov-imapext-status-in-list-00.txt)       (10 mins)
>New comparators for IMAP (and Sieve)                 (15 mins)
>Sorting by relevancy                                 (15 mins)
>IMAP keyword management proposal                     ( 5 mins)
>
>
>Proposed WG Charter Discussion                       (15 mins)
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>Total:                                               150 mins
>
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I thought I'd give an alternative idea for multi-mailbox search:

a) The current draft (which btw. should contain uidvalidity in esearch
replies):

1 uid search in (("*")) text "hello"
* esearch (tag "1" mailbox "inbox") uid all 1:3
=EF=BB=BF* esearch (tag "1" mailbox "box2") uid all 5,10,15
2 select inbox
3 uid fetch 1:3 envelope
4 select box2
5 uid fetch 5,10,15 envelope

b) Creating a virtual mailbox from multiple mailboxes:

1 select (pattern ("*"))
2 search return (all) text "hello"
* esearch (tag "2") all 1:5,10,15,20
3 fetch 1:5,10,15,20 (envelope mailbox)

Some advantages of b):

 - Allows sorting search results (including by relevancy, which may not
be possible otherwise)
 - Slightly less bandwidth required
 - Less round trips. In a) case I think it's a bit questionable if
client is allowed to send 2-5 commands all at once pipelined. In b) case
by using SEARCHRES both 2 and 3 can be sent pipelined, so at minimum
there's one round trip less.


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There is a suggestion to hold now traditional "friends of IMAP" dinner 
this Wednesday. I would ask interested parties to reply to me directly.
Let's meet at 8pm near the IETF Message Board.

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For people who would like to followup the BOF in jabber:
I've uploaded all presentations to the IETF web site. You can get them 
from <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/72/materials.html>.

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Alexey Melnikov wrote:

> There is a suggestion to hold now traditional "friends of IMAP" dinner 
> this Wednesday. I would ask interested parties to reply to me directly.
> Let's meet at 8pm near the IETF Message Board.

Ok, we are actually will be catching a bus to central Dublin at 7:30pm, 
so let's meet at 7:15pm. Please don't be late!

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Hi all,
I have uploaded the pictures I took here:
http://www.driveway.com/e7n0c4v3s0


Best regards: Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh
E-mail: zoltan dot ordogh at nokia dot com
Phone: +358 50 386 0566

-----Original Message-----
From: morg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:morg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext=
 Alexey Melnikov
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To: IMAP Extensions WG; Lemonade WG; morg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [MORG] Friends of IMAP dinner in Dublin

Alexey Melnikov wrote:

> There is a suggestion to hold now traditional "friends of IMAP" dinner =

> this Wednesday. I would ask interested parties to reply to me directly.
> Let's meet at 8pm near the IETF Message Board.

Ok, we are actually will be catching a bus to central Dublin at 7:30pm, so =
let's meet at 7:15pm. Please don't be late!

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