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Upgrade to Eudora: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 02:08:39 -0700 To: ietf-imapext@imc.org, morg@ietf.org From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Subject: [MORG] IMAP5 List X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: morg-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: morg-bounces@ietf.org At the MORG BOF, a discussion as to if the proposed IMAP extensions would merely further add to the existing problem with IMAP being too hard to get right, for both clients and servers, let to a revival of the "IMAP5" discussion (previous held during the IMAP EAI discussions). Here, "IMAP5" refers to a Big Switch (new port and version) to distinguish this revision from current IMAP. The goal is to delete as much as possible from IMAP. A new mailing list now exists for this discussion on drastically slimming-down IMAP to make it easier to implement clients and servers. ================================================================== To subscribe, click here: . ================================================================== It's been observed that "most IMAP clients suck" and that it's hard for both clients and servers to implement. One reason IMAP is hard to implement is that it has a lot of options. Often there are several alternative ways to accomplish something. It also has considerable functionality. Is it possible and desirable to start with the current set of (IMAP + all extensions) and consider subtracting as much as possible? The resulting protocol would still be IMAP, but not backwards-compatible with today's IMAP, since some currently-mandated items are likely to be deleted. General information about the IMAP5 mailing list is at: . You can subscribe and manage your subscription at . -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it will. _______________________________________________ MORG mailing list MORG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/morg Note Well: http://www.ietf.org/maillist.html From morg-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 5 11:53:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-morg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D7B3A6CEC; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:53:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0743A67EE; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:53:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.117 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.117 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.071, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35JKrgajrytG; 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Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:27:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266333A68EF for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:27:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.207, BAYES_40=-0.185, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75y4Bw2C7uYJ for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dovecot.org (dovecot.org [82.118.211.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8663A6359 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.2] (xdsl-177-118.nblnetworks.fi [217.30.177.118]) by dovecot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1545716471E6 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:26:33 +0300 (EEST) From: Timo Sirainen To: morg@ietf.org Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:26:33 +0300 Message-Id: <1220109993.21673.151.camel@hurina> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: [MORG] minutes? X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1445713392==" Sender: morg-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: morg-bounces@ietf.org --===============1445713392== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-MnAHWrQdyAdJTzmxYUIr" --=-MnAHWrQdyAdJTzmxYUIr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember seeing minutes posted after some IETF meets. Did anyone bother taking down notes for morg, or is someone still supposed to post them? :) (And what about for Lemonade?) --=-MnAHWrQdyAdJTzmxYUIr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAki5ZqkACgkQyUhSUUBViskH0wCfdxSnxLjI/jiZwv9TKQbZd+TY /30AmQGcN5s5e+ddLKGKCDwa9hyGV52u =+bpY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-MnAHWrQdyAdJTzmxYUIr-- --===============1445713392== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ MORG mailing list MORG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/morg Note Well: http://www.ietf.org/maillist.html --===============1445713392==--