From arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no Thu Oct 1 05:18:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EEE28C244 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 05:18:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.18 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.18 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.418, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 177tXBo0g1Eq for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 05:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strange.aox.org (strange.aox.org [80.244.248.170]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D528028C424 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 05:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (kalyani.aox.org [79.140.39.164]) by strange.aox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D629FA04A5; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no (HELO lochnagar.gulbrandsen.priv.no) by fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.1.0) with esmtp id 1254398678-53805-53805/5/10 (3 recipients); Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:04:38 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:07:00 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: morg@ietf.org Subject: [MORG] sort=display X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:18:04 -0000 I updated my code. All straightforward. Arnt From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Mon Oct 5 06:14:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF483A69CC for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:14:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.518 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.518 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.081, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SWzyWd+-VzDc for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f185.google.com (mail-yw0-f185.google.com [209.85.211.185]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1803A69BE for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh15 with SMTP id 15so2671008ywh.5 for ; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:15:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lNf9egY1dX3kWtXHP6PgyKDE//NPHXvgA2/Q5NY8pAA=; b=idAexOTkq2RVB3yF/UYEDbKlRcjTo8sKPe+AEflgh4FCY9wN7/vRJbR7HYBWWzyuNf dnZpF93A1GhscbBDd1m2iE8euZdMkRUVqBh/fzSmYfDyh7+p1eKKxD89auk7iqbiazdV LhfWeR3qtTEFVoGBPQvt+YeMVjcwicDvnYZ7Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cMLoErgALxC0d4DxvMfal8bmAsSXNChlBIsolfotlKtd5jaA1s41oubwqhizCkFKMf Yu642escHS7sUQlUCilNv2EF9cAMFeA96ZZnQZixTRyM/jk3Twr7xQQmwX4OntmLfdqN PqXRuTLxLyXAm7fHovcVrijfzly8MdQ9O3jfs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.20.18 with SMTP id x18mr44276ybi.7.1254748556460; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:15:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <+8g7epUQ0se2u75+X/B6PQ.md5@lochnagar.gulbrandsen.priv.no> References: <426893499.2601254329451832.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <1254332117.4794.1051.camel@timo-desktop> <+8g7epUQ0se2u75+X/B6PQ.md5@lochnagar.gulbrandsen.priv.no> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:15:56 -0400 Message-ID: <6c9fcc2a0910050615i41b862dbkb2885d99b6883619@mail.gmail.com> From: Barry Leiba To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: morg@ietf.org, Timo Sirainen Subject: Re: [MORG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-01.txt X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: barryleiba@computer.org List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:14:26 -0000 > FWIW, I also trim away some other things, which I wouldn't like to add to > the document, e.g. outlookisms and phish vomit: > > =A0 =A0To: "'tss@iki.fi'" > =A0 =A0From: "service@paypal.com" Oh, but that can be tricky. I agree that if the stuff in quotes is exactly the same as the email address, you know what to do. If it's not, though.... It would be perfectly reasonable to have this, for example: From: "Barry @ home" One could probably come up with reasonable examples of using actual email addresses, or things that look very much like email addresses, yet are different from the address between the <>. The point is that I'm not sure I'd want the email programs to ignore those bits because some clever programmer thought it would help me out. On the other hand, having an option to do that would certainly be useful. On the other hand, go try explaining that option to the user. On the other hand, go try explaining the automatic stuff to the user. And are these cases really any different, with respect to what you'll want to show the user, and what effect it'll have?: From: "security@bankofamerica.com" From: "Bank of America Security Department" I think the right answer to do in the "phishy/spammy" case, if you want to do something, is to leave it alone, but flag it. Barry From arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no Mon Oct 5 06:24:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F893A68FA for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:24:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.218 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.218 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.380, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ex-TwZqs8K4q for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strange.aox.org (strange.aox.org [80.244.248.170]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D133A68D6 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (kalyani.aox.org [79.140.39.164]) by strange.aox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85E9FA04D7; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:25:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no (HELO lochnagar.gulbrandsen.priv.no) by fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.1.0) with esmtp id 1254749012-53805-53805/5/35 (5 recipients); Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:23:32 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:26:02 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: barryleiba@computer.org References: <426893499.2601254329451832.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <1254332117.4794.1051.camel@timo-desktop> <+8g7epUQ0se2u75+X/B6PQ.md5@lochnagar.gulbrandsen.priv.no> <6c9fcc2a0910050615i41b862dbkb2885d99b6883619@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6c9fcc2a0910050615i41b862dbkb2885d99b6883619@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Timo Sirainen , Barry Leiba , morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-01.txt X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:24:18 -0000 Actually I changed my mind. What I said is just ridiculous. It would NOT be correct for this draft to contain a specification of how to mangle email addresses for display. That's out of scope. What I actually implemented is this, and I think my code is right and my brain was wrong: 1. Compute the display-name in the same way as usually 2. If that's empty, use localpart@domain instead 3. Sort by that, the way sort usually sorts IMNSHO sortdisplay should say this, and skip ALL the details of how to turn the 822 syntax received into the actual display-name. It could ust say something like "in a format intended for display, rather than the encoding used when transmitting the message". Arnt From dkarp@zimbra.com Mon Oct 5 07:36:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC10A3A69E8 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:36:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id smEyFgMZO1CA for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta02.zimbra.com (mta02.zimbra.com [207.126.229.144]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFDE3A6949 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta02.zimbra.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69147C78045; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:38:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.com Received: from mta02.zimbra.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta02.zimbra.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JRsWH8lCvLMs; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogfood.zimbra.com (dogfood.zimbra.com [207.126.229.140]) by mta02.zimbra.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C522C78035; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:38:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Karp To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Message-ID: <1119379881.3128.1254753490371.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.2_GA_1863.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.2_GA_1863.RHEL4_64) Cc: Timo Sirainen , barryleiba@computer.org, Barry Leiba , morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-01.txt X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:36:39 -0000 > 1. Compute the display-name in the same way as usually > 2. If that's empty, use localpart@domain instead > 3. Sort by that, the way sort usually sorts > > IMNSHO sortdisplay should say this, and skip ALL the details of how to > turn the 822 syntax received into the actual display-name. It could > just say something like "in a format intended for display, rather than > the encoding used when transmitting the message". The problem with this is that it probably underspecifies. One of the requirements of a SORT ordering is that there is a single valid value for any given message. This allows clients to catch the addition of a new message and slot it into the "correct" place in the list without having to issue a new SORT. It's certainly not a perfect plan, as any text-based sort ordering runs into big issues when the system hits a malformed header or when one side can parse the charset in a 2047 encoded-word and the other can't. But it's the rule. From arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no Tue Oct 6 00:51:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D05A28C119 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:51:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.25 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.25 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.348, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gH1mLnIOjJzF for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strange.aox.org (strange.aox.org [80.244.248.170]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D3C28C0E5 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (kalyani.aox.org [79.140.39.164]) by strange.aox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBC8FA04DE; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no (HELO lochnagar.gulbrandsen.priv.no) by fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.1.0) with esmtp id 1254815447-53805-53805/5/41 (6 recipients); Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:50:47 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:53:20 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: Dan Karp References: <426893499.2601254329451832.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <1254332117.4794.1051.camel@timo-desktop> <+8g7epUQ0se2u75+X/B6PQ.md5@lochnagar.gulbrandsen.priv.no> <6c9fcc2a0910050615i41b862dbkb2885d99b6883619@mail.gmail.com> <1119379881.3128.1254753490371.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> In-Reply-To: <1119379881.3128.1254753490371.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Timo Sirainen , barryleiba@computer.org, Barry Leiba , morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-01.txt X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:51:38 -0000 Dan Karp writes: > The problem with this is that it probably underspecifies. Yes, I agree. But on the other hand it's close to the actual code. > One of the requirements of a SORT ordering is that there is a single > valid value for any given message. The name of this particular sort key says the key is that used for display, so IMO it had better be that. > This allows clients to catch the addition of a new message and slot it > into the "correct" place in the list without having to issue a new > SORT. It's certainly not a perfect plan, as any text-based sort > ordering runs into big issues when the system hits a malformed header > or when one side can parse the charset in a 2047 encoded-word and the > other can't. But it's the rule. I wonder if these concerns could be addressed by defining the sort key as equal to the addr-name sent by the server in response to FETCH-ENVELOPE. IIRC that's still 2047-encoded, but "like the addr-name you send for FETCH ENVELOPE, but 2047-decoded" is realistic and still simple. Arnt From dkarp@zimbra.com Tue Oct 6 08:34:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E9C28C1CC for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:34:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZjYmgHNs-EIV for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta02.zimbra.com (mta02.zimbra.com [207.126.229.144]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7D63A682E for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta02.zimbra.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DF1C78065; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:35:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.com Received: from mta02.zimbra.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta02.zimbra.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JTkZc8wCPFcR; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogfood.zimbra.com (dogfood.zimbra.com [207.126.229.140]) by mta02.zimbra.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66E8C78064; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:35:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Karp To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Message-ID: <505588568.457.1254843354599.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.2_GA_1863.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.2_GA_1863.RHEL4_64) Cc: Timo Sirainen , barryleiba@computer.org, Barry Leiba , morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-01.txt X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:34:19 -0000 > I wonder if these concerns could be addressed by defining the sort key > as equal to the addr-name sent by the server in response to > FETCH-ENVELOPE. IIRC that's still 2047-encoded, but "like the > addr-name you send for FETCH ENVELOPE, but 2047-decoded" is realistic > and still simple. This is completely reasonable, and also very much in line with the rest of the base SORT draft. Give me a bit of time and I'll try to rework the draft's wording to phrase it in terms that line up with the FETCH ENVELOPE response. From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Tue Oct 6 09:53:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E80E28C196 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:53:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lI1Oi1ilE+fx for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C6A28C195 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.2.113] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:55:16 +0100 Message-ID: <4ACB765C.5020205@isode.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:54:52 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Dan Karp References: <505588568.457.1254843354599.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> In-Reply-To: <505588568.457.1254843354599.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Barry Leiba , Timo Sirainen , barryleiba@computer.org, morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-01.txt X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:53:41 -0000 Dan Karp wrote: >>I wonder if these concerns could be addressed by defining the sort key >>as equal to the addr-name sent by the server in response to >>FETCH-ENVELOPE. IIRC that's still 2047-encoded, but "like the >>addr-name you send for FETCH ENVELOPE, but 2047-decoded" is realistic >>and still simple. >> >> >This is completely reasonable, and also very much in line with the >rest of the base SORT draft. Give me a bit of time and I'll try to >rework the draft's wording to phrase it in terms that line up with the >FETCH ENVELOPE response. > I like that. From root@core3.amsl.com Sun Oct 18 09:15:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@ietf.org Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 91C3C3A6937; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:15:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091018161501.91C3C3A6937@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: morg@ietf.org Subject: [MORG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-02.txt X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:15:01 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Message Organization Working Group of the IETF. Title : Display-based Address Sorting for the IMAP4 SORT Extension Author(s) : D. Karp Filename : draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-02.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2009-10-18 This document describes an IMAP protocol extension enabling server- side message sorting based on the commonly-displayed portion of the >From and To header fields. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-10-18091318.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From dkarp@zimbra.com Sun Oct 18 09:15:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D5B3A692D for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:15:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PiQuJdfyuHS1 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta02.zimbra.com (mta02.zimbra.com [207.126.229.144]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0433A67B2 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta02.zimbra.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28555C78055; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:15:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.com Received: from mta02.zimbra.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta02.zimbra.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5sBdcY4apmg5; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogfood.zimbra.com (dogfood.zimbra.com [207.126.229.140]) by mta02.zimbra.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFF0C78051; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:15:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Karp To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Message-ID: <1220649066.132.1255882544726.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> In-Reply-To: <505588568.457.1254843354599.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.2_GA_1910.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.2_GA_1910.RHEL4_64) Cc: Timo Sirainen , barryleiba@computer.org, Barry Leiba , morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-01.txt X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:15:40 -0000 > > I wonder if these concerns could be addressed by defining the sort > > key as equal to the addr-name sent by the server in response to > > FETCH-ENVELOPE. IIRC that's still 2047-encoded, but "like the > > addr-name you send for FETCH ENVELOPE, but 2047-decoded" is > > realistic and still simple. > > This is completely reasonable, and also very much in line with the > rest of the base SORT draft. Give me a bit of time and I'll try to > rework the draft's wording to phrase it in terms that line up with the > FETCH ENVELOPE response. Revised and posted as the -02 version of the draft. Please take a look and let me know what you think. From arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no Sun Oct 18 11:43:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA353A68EF for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:43:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F5SQq+Q0APQY for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strange.aox.org (strange.aox.org [80.244.248.170]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFE93A6907 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (kalyani.aox.org [79.140.39.164]) by strange.aox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA23FA0457; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no (HELO lochnagar.gulbrandsen.priv.no) by fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.1.0) with esmtp id 1255891283-53805-53805/5/149 (6 recipients); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:41:23 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:44:27 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: Dan Karp References: <426893499.2601254329451832.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <1254332117.4794.1051.camel@timo-desktop> <+8g7epUQ0se2u75+X/B6PQ.md5@lochnagar.gulbrandsen.priv.no> <6c9fcc2a0910050615i41b862dbkb2885d99b6883619@mail.gmail.com> <1119379881.3128.1254753490371.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <505588568.457.1254843354599.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <1220649066.132.1255882544726.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> In-Reply-To: <1220649066.132.1255882544726.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Timo Sirainen , barryleiba@computer.org, Barry Leiba , morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-01.txt X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:43:49 -0000 Dan Karp writes: > Revised and posted as the -02 version of the draft. Please take a look > and let me know what you think. I like it. I can tell at a glance that it matches my code, and that "at a glance" makes me like it. Arnt From arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no Sun Oct 18 12:56:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63A33A67C0 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:56:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6EAse-rk2uFu for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strange.aox.org (strange.aox.org [80.244.248.170]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231583A67FF for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (kalyani.aox.org [79.140.39.164]) by strange.aox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16B9FA0459; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no (HELO lochnagar.gulbrandsen.priv.no) by fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.1.0) with esmtp id 1255895635-53805-53805/5/150 (6 recipients); Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:53:55 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:56:59 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen To: Dan Karp References: <426893499.2601254329451832.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <1254332117.4794.1051.camel@timo-desktop> <+8g7epUQ0se2u75+X/B6PQ.md5@lochnagar.gulbrandsen.priv.no> <6c9fcc2a0910050615i41b862dbkb2885d99b6883619@mail.gmail.com> <1119379881.3128.1254753490371.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <505588568.457.1254843354599.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> <1220649066.132.1255882544726.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Timo Sirainen , barryleiba@computer.org, Barry Leiba , morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-01.txt X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:56:20 -0000 Arnt Gulbrandsen writes: > Dan Karp writes: >> Revised and posted as the -02 version of the draft. Please take a >> look and let me know what you think. > > I like it. I can tell at a glance that it matches my code, and that > "at a glance" makes me like it. At a second glace, that it doesn't. "From: arnt" would be turned into sort key "arnt@", not "arnt". Will fix. Like even more. Arnt From tss@iki.fi Sun Oct 18 15:40:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1251A3A68E3 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:40:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tZe02wAo24ul for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dovecot.org (dovecot.org [82.118.211.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE803A67D6 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.4.192.26] (unknown [74.205.24.229]) by dovecot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C00FA8A96 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:40:44 +0300 (EEST) From: Timo Sirainen To: morg@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <1220649066.132.1255882544726.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> References: <1220649066.132.1255882544726.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ZNku5MHE9FlKo98Hd7AI" Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:40:41 -0400 Message-Id: <1255905641.4605.780.camel@timo-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 Subject: Re: [MORG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay-01.txt X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:40:41 -0000 --=-ZNku5MHE9FlKo98Hd7AI Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 09:15 -0700, Dan Karp wrote: > Revised and posted as the -02 version of the draft. Please take a look > and let me know what you think. Looks great to me. Implemented to Dovecot v1.2.7. --=-ZNku5MHE9FlKo98Hd7AI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkrbmWkACgkQyUhSUUBVislGiQCfcdt3PsCK7wOf3JXTKRzK8Swj 3YsAnRTVbjH0kT4viepzPR5mghaBgm2W =0/ah -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ZNku5MHE9FlKo98Hd7AI-- From wwwrun@core3.amsl.com Mon Oct 26 16:52:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@ietf.org Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 25DED3A69D8; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:52:56 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Message-Id: <20091026235257.25DED3A69D8@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: morg@ietf.org Subject: [MORG] Last Call: draft-ietf-morg-status-in-list (IMAP4 Extension for returning STATUS information in extended LIST) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:52:57 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Message Organization WG (morg) to consider the following document: - 'IMAP4 Extension for returning STATUS information in extended LIST ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2009-11-09. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-morg-status-in-list-01.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=18190&rfc_flag=0 From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Sat Oct 31 20:40:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7873A684C for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.034, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IGCwku+mntIY for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f192.google.com (mail-yx0-f192.google.com [209.85.210.192]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C513D3A6359 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe30 with SMTP id 30so4356031yxe.29 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:40:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TLKvn87q14EolVTYlrbLrFdtIv/v1ZD4pf7xJkTS9RA=; b=qKDX+BVQaGqsydefBi952ISSFemp5S0JsBbJrQqG9LoM9xFYHtSjohqGyEwZ8ueXSR ZTwW3x/0mF08fqiv61U81FB5KYHC3n/Ur7Km13BEhMln8E3zD19DRnoG/Dgi/wEdix0x bTDNYK5tPhEjA7osMwqiwvkhmn3U8OekYCc2A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=azY9HJiO9VYhNszdypimy9RiHMXwOJFCYiOkNEa8aCbkeEM3UYq2yoWDAqMCH9ohP2 m5wRwFD0GpRgqDufHwUtI+FNnXbEIGJGn/nTFoL6GCeSrV3NpK3xByHn81VkRTUUg9rn LgQnTneTmbCWnocUOBexFbdwvKISgn/zF+Ekk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.87.17 with SMTP id p17mr5940934ybl.84.1257046840899; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:40:40 -0400 Message-ID: <6c9fcc2a0910312040lee656c5ye31db0c640bc7a1d@mail.gmail.com> From: Barry Leiba To: morg@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [MORG] MORG agenda for Hiroshima X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: barryleiba@computer.org List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:40:28 -0000 I'm putting together an agenda for the MORG session in Hiroshima, currently scheduled for Tuesday, 10 Nov, 1710-1810 local time (subject to schedule changes). Apart from general status review, the only item I have for the agenda is discussion of how we might possibly add a function like Google's XLIST. Are there any other specific agenda items? Barry, MORG working group secretary