From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Thu Jan 21 10:53:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F66A3A687B for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:53:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9OsiuL4agWYY for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f226.google.com (mail-fx0-f226.google.com [209.85.220.226]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675583A6452 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm26 with SMTP id 26so82212fxm.13 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:52:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/qtHBRMzGjOUPPnpmEr/ac7nucrQVRC4CGjL+hFZsyk=; b=q8XuX13r1G4R4BM0SVcuvpA6k3sZDPGmaB9K/Mr8Ahso8j2lfmS73vhs2eutBogs8B C0QEsjnIunRbeC5TjkL7NfUN26setLXO4TjUDF4NNuXz811kwONbUsIMuik9G6Bkrjza C35RXGSfta+N56ykVsGNIQnLs9Jo7pkvw0D1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=uH+HYn4FvDjWr3ddJybr65sIc/X7IXw6Bqt5ykrwcocU8fHqAeqlo8HiF28davVlcb 9YLBX1sMq/wcEXOQxP1lnBxUGuck13FAPznqi/vYd7d2IgHi+XT7BVYsm3uvXjrNNxm6 K2nQyex4a4jPkHN6mAqeI9QHsDHQW4vlmdcwg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.143.82 with SMTP id t18mr1832787fau.52.1264099973115; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:52:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:52:53 -0500 Message-ID: <6c9fcc2a1001211052h624abbf1h171f6ec19bef20e5@mail.gmail.com> From: Barry Leiba To: morg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [MORG] Getting MORG moving X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: barryleiba@computer.org List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:53:04 -0000 Hey, all. We've requested a one-hour MORG meeting in Anaheim, and, as working group secretary, I'd like to prod us all to get some work moving again, so we at least have status to report there. Here's a summary of what we need to get going: + Sort Display needs an update to respond to Chris's message of 10 Nov, and then is ready to go to the IESG. Timo will shepherd this, once Dan responds to the issue and puts out an -03 version. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-morg-sortdisplay + I'm working on an update to multi-search, to be posted soon. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-morg-multimailbox-search + Fuzzy search should be pretty much ready to get reactivated by an update and go into WGLC. Timo, are there any issues that need to be discussed, or can you go ahead and kick it off? http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-morg-fuzzy-search + I need status reports on the following docs from the authors: - Address Search (Arnt) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-morg-address-search - In Thread (Arnt) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-morg-inthread - Collations (Alexey) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-morg-collations + I'm working on an update to the individual submission for message recall, to be considered by the working group. + I'm working on a new submission for XLIST functionality to be included in the normal LIST command, co-authored with Jamie Nicolson, from Google. ------------------------- I'd like to get discussion on all of this started on the mailing list, and be ready to discuss status and issues (if any) at the meeting in Anaheim. Dan, Timo, Arnt, and Alexey, can you respond to this post and let us know what the status of your document(s) is? Barry From tss@iki.fi Sat Jan 23 06:44:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE253A68A0 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:44:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MANGLED_TOOL=2.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8GmqDoMwLuWu for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:44:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from dovecot.org (dovecot.org [82.118.211.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73DC3A67A4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.10.2] (e81-197-71-250.elisa-laajakaista.fi [81.197.71.250]) by dovecot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA357FA8BE9; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:44:42 +0200 (EET) From: Timo Sirainen To: barryleiba@computer.org In-Reply-To: <6c9fcc2a1001211052h624abbf1h171f6ec19bef20e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c9fcc2a1001211052h624abbf1h171f6ec19bef20e5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Iv4yX07GPvkB47p4OSuE" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:44:42 +0200 Message-ID: <1264257882.4622.165.camel@hurina> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.2 Cc: morg Subject: Re: [MORG] Getting MORG moving X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:44:49 -0000 --=-Iv4yX07GPvkB47p4OSuE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 13:52 -0500, Barry Leiba wrote: > + Fuzzy search should be pretty much ready to get reactivated by an > update and go into WGLC. Timo, are there any issues that need to be > discussed, or can you go ahead and kick it off? > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-morg-fuzzy-search I just updated it. Basically the only changes to -01 were some editorial changes done by you. As far as I know, it's finished now. --=-Iv4yX07GPvkB47p4OSuE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAktbC1oACgkQyUhSUUBVisne6ACfZJqBU+Pt3Q2xd92qZblfZ6gD 9DwAn3GjFQd+APXP9e/pXhsXW5pMBRNY =GFZF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Iv4yX07GPvkB47p4OSuE-- From root@core3.amsl.com Sat Jan 23 06:45:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@ietf.org Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 119303A68E1; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:45:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100123144502.119303A68E1@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:45:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: morg@ietf.org Subject: [MORG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-morg-fuzzy-search-02.txt X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:45:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Message Organization Working Group of the IETF. Title : IMAP4 Extension for Fuzzy Search Author(s) : T. Sirainen Filename : draft-ietf-morg-fuzzy-search-02.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2010-01-23 This document describes an IMAP protocol extension enabling server to perform searches with inexact matching and assigning relevancy scores for matched messages. Note A revised version of this draft document will be submitted to the RFC editor as a Proposed Standard for the Internet Community. Discussion and suggestions for improvement are requested, and should be sent to morg@ietf.org. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-morg-fuzzy-search-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-morg-fuzzy-search-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2010-01-23064223.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From root@core3.amsl.com Mon Jan 25 17:30:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@ietf.org Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 4B8963A6781; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:30:02 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100126013002.4B8963A6781@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:30:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: morg@ietf.org Subject: [MORG] I-D Action:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00.txt X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:30:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Message Organization Working Group of the IETF. Title : IMAP LIST extension for special-use mailboxes Author(s) : B. Leiba, J. Nicolson Filename : draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2010-01-25 Some IMAP message stores include special-use mailboxes, such as those used to hold draft messages or sent messages. Many mail clients allow users to specify where draft or sent messages should be put, but configuring them requires that the user know which mailboxes the server has set aside for these purposes. This extension adds new mailbox flags that a server MAY include in IMAP LIST command responses to identify special-use mailboxes to the client, easing configuration. Note A revised version of this draft document will be submitted to the RFC editor as a Proposed Standard for the Internet Community. Discussion and suggestions for improvement are requested, and should be sent to morg@ietf.org. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2010-01-25172238.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Mon Jan 25 17:34:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54123A67EA for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:34:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dtlDNElPzKS8 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com (mail-fx0-f215.google.com [209.85.220.215]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66653A6781 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so761011fxm.28 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:34:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eFGlFgNpzDAymuWrBYDNl3uEhkALyNWYx4vy6HdH8I8=; b=v0+2F+jV2+jKMk0orPszGhQNVlkQpZT3AtM4Z6g9BIqxSCfR8y6UmyVrDiKFQy8SCp 7Pu7koN6PxszDJ36CVwtVuSjGuwD3pVcj7ylgTtB/MAqa/QHevgOEOUZyKWg/v2ULatZ a5EyzyC0ZvWkhJe9z0WuTHjBd/exXJatr+pW4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Aqxna26vb2QN0pt5RUdgGRf8fyX3IWZWeeJJhlhaXUbpxt0D7P6SDUx7KTVl9Y+wNp LsXGx7/rtjHmDIJCyPOHws3OfQ8irwbVYW4sR3/OALh869T+cpBhwXuxWkCehYp4VOAs oYxys7Vy75SjMEW5ri95PPyx3/BqSQ+avNQPg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.77.85 with SMTP id f21mr3263868fak.40.1264469672239; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:34:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:34:32 -0500 Message-ID: <6c9fcc2a1001251734t600329e5m338f2baa0e355a13@mail.gmail.com> From: Barry Leiba To: morg@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [MORG] WGLC on draft-ietf-morg-fuzzy-search-02; respond by 10 Feb 2010 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: barryleiba@computer.org List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:34:28 -0000 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Message Organization Working Group of th= e IETF. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : IMAP4 Extension for Fuzzy Sear= ch > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : T. Sirainen > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-ietf-morg-fuzzy-search-02.= txt > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 6 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2010-01-23 > > This document describes an IMAP protocol extension enabling server to > perform searches with inexact matching and assigning relevancy scores > for matched messages. ... > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-morg-fuzzy-search-02.txt This message starts working-group last call on this document. Please review this version of the draft, even if you have reviewed a previous version, and post comments by 10 Feb. Post your comments as a reply to this message, and please also respond if you think the document is ready for publication -- we need confirmation, as well as issues. Barry, MORG secretary From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Mon Jan 25 17:57:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E913A67D8 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:57:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s421CQnnsw22 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:57:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com (mail-fx0-f215.google.com [209.85.220.215]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74F13A67A7 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:57:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so777365fxm.28 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:57:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=k1RekFJnBeDMtOYhQ+GvBtzd3ygtLMeFmpdsoqPxINI=; b=rsA2GNj+Dq6ni33387PHVATwPlb5I6W7OAT2FFwTHgrpbuy6B4xerN7yo6zPV/qTYG 2FhvzM0OIcnoF51XfsKV5wIzFvbCZ8TLBF8gvbRn4UTkuvcMVECU215O9yfk73M7+Mza HZ+s0nqTruowSNa5xPKRL52b9DVfNI+UpJu6Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=IuKNmGt1Ag2hDsFVkH2IqPU19LvWVTc4pF+V8RJoALWHSZ22yi5DZr0gkiFxKugvxD 85cFEQ32mQxk3ep1SmdmZ2nEtitOwyVqMFsb7fSAmJxrBBt4F+byeUPg0JZ2RbegXN6G FYkU09cQgkcDo1P86MHjTY1sMLF5IZaGHG3KI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.60.138 with SMTP id p10mr7718741fah.32.1264471063761; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:57:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:57:43 -0500 Message-ID: <6c9fcc2a1001251757p27d6f2cfsf275bb11eb348230@mail.gmail.com> From: Barry Leiba To: morg@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: barryleiba@computer.org List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:57:40 -0000 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Message Organization Working Group of th= e IETF. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : IMAP LIST extension for specia= l-use mailboxes > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : B. Leiba, J. Nicolson > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-= 00.txt > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 9 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2010-01-25 > > Some IMAP message stores include special-use mailboxes, such as those > used to hold draft messages or sent messages. =A0Many mail clients > allow users to specify where draft or sent messages should be put, > but configuring them requires that the user know which mailboxes the > server has set aside for these purposes. =A0This extension adds new > mailbox flags that a server MAY include in IMAP LIST command > responses to identify special-use mailboxes to the client, easing > configuration. ... > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00.tx= t At the Hiroshima meeting, the working group agreed to add this document to its list of work items. It is a standards-track version of gmail's "XLIST" extension, which has been implemented by several mail clients already. Google has said they would alter their implementation to confirm to a standards-track version. Please review this new draft and comment on it. Barry, MORG secretary From tss@iki.fi Tue Jan 26 04:18:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459893A6949 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:18:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KhG7B4dtIlVL for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from dovecot.org (dovecot.org [82.118.211.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0263A689A for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.10.2] (e81-197-71-250.elisa-laajakaista.fi [81.197.71.250]) by dovecot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00488FA8955; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:18:53 +0200 (EET) From: Timo Sirainen To: barryleiba@computer.org In-Reply-To: <6c9fcc2a1001251757p27d6f2cfsf275bb11eb348230@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c9fcc2a1001251757p27d6f2cfsf275bb11eb348230@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-QwqGyVeejw0A9Zo/msP1" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:04:52 +0200 Message-ID: <1264503892.22202.4.camel@hurina> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.2 Cc: morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:18:47 -0000 --=-QwqGyVeejw0A9Zo/msP1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 20:57 -0500, Barry Leiba wrote: > Please review this new draft and comment on it. I'm mainly wondering if it should describe interaction with LIST-EXTENDED, similar to how LIST-EXTENDED handles \*Children flags. So basically "when doing extended LIST, don't send these specialuse flags, unless SPECIALUSE return option is specified". But I don't have any strong opinion on it either way. --=-QwqGyVeejw0A9Zo/msP1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAktezE4ACgkQyUhSUUBVismsfACgkjyQQNJq0i8ZiA9pWeHtD83N vWcAnjFH2eSRmQYw66pRBO943XqG0H7b =npAW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-QwqGyVeejw0A9Zo/msP1-- From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Jan 26 07:33:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFD23A6823 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:33:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0riNMZAUuqK2 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f221.google.com (mail-fx0-f221.google.com [209.85.220.221]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557AD3A67F2 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm21 with SMTP id 21so653116fxm.29 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:33:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=g9hXX1aZDSLxZ0Ihyf3Zc80gXvGFzMok97t0gKfUDUA=; b=HfXuNcUrJAfGKXs8ZzYkxJ+mLMalqLx8ZSFh+Hnh4RsMvddaGKALKgUjdfXTKMSg8W lpfCKM7J4q4bHioB2Qhb5G/wXu6mqfauA9m20hHoz2dKF/ejTxevyOWrEqiiY+trAHAo RKohBv+ga4/ZN7PoHtnIYHSScfjvJZo5OrAu8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=mD8VWqdbB6Di79fOrwRuAqiG3hGcNXKueRoZNQnebwD5xW1vvJ8s2Ju1Ml/Y91X4GK NUKmf1I3mWSyP/XMNLRgl+FKhMQ4y26nhnQ1oxJcrn7nQeRkPjNI9AUYJlMRjqJHHxZo i6zUZFGOLCLd+sG5viqt5dRcI+ycCcgUn1pm4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.14.140 with SMTP id g12mr8506910faa.50.1264520011466; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:33:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1264503892.22202.4.camel@hurina> References: <6c9fcc2a1001251757p27d6f2cfsf275bb11eb348230@mail.gmail.com> <1264503892.22202.4.camel@hurina> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:33:31 -0500 Message-ID: <6c9fcc2a1001260733m6de56cd7m16e1c31e16da038@mail.gmail.com> From: Barry Leiba To: morg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: barryleiba@computer.org List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:33:26 -0000 Timo says... > I'm mainly wondering if it should describe interaction with > LIST-EXTENDED, similar to how LIST-EXTENDED handles \*Children flags. So > basically "when doing extended LIST, don't send these specialuse flags, > unless SPECIALUSE return option is specified". Yes, I think this is a good idea. On the queue for -01. Barry From dkarp@zimbra.com Tue Jan 26 07:40:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF5D3A6869 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:40:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id idbWHaaKsFAd for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:40:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta02.zimbra.com (mta02.zimbra.com [207.126.229.144]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D613A67B3 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:40:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta02.zimbra.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4134C7807E; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:40:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.com Received: from mta02.zimbra.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta02.zimbra.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tkLH6laDMVo4; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dogfood.zimbra.com (dogfood.zimbra.com [207.126.229.140]) by mta02.zimbra.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23931C780A3; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:40:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:40:23 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Karp To: barryleiba@computer.org Message-ID: <1878367433.2007.1264520423000.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> In-Reply-To: <6c9fcc2a1001260733m6de56cd7m16e1c31e16da038@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2186.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.5_GA_2186.RHEL4_64) Cc: morg Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:40:40 -0000 > > I'm mainly wondering if it should describe interaction with > > LIST-EXTENDED, similar to how LIST-EXTENDED handles \*Children > > flags. So basically "when doing extended LIST, don't send these > > specialuse flags, unless SPECIALUSE return option is specified". > > Yes, I think this is a good idea. On the queue for -01. Except that's not what LIST-EXTENDED says about CHILDREN, right? The CHILDREN return option is simply an indication that the client wants this information; a server MAY provide it even if the option is not specified. From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Jan 26 07:46:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1963A6828 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:46:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IC5QrkcmSJI3 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f221.google.com (mail-fx0-f221.google.com [209.85.220.221]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4743A681B for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm21 with SMTP id 21so667975fxm.29 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:46:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FRA0VU3r70nyNewHg6MD2RUhkNT8c3XdV94s6s1xDq8=; b=YV3EIhCoX8s1QuWlvjxqLwnVjgcPOf8QC/cW3LopDAPHQDTgu04DAq/+RrQS7ytqwg DUO+BiykbVma22PjDTl4FcFOKPZ5I+q7tNY7xfQE6gZkarVnyCEllUrH1TYLJbk2fJ2y 68E/iA61ndGLfyQhKpJ+eQ9bYtWEep7RSOfEE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=inj0lHk4/QbB/6lxIK74zKqXomwgeb6p5g34pB+Li4rLTCH9hak4jNeGojSrUsTrEg SSmQ3LG1sVqUSNhj9zu7NG6Ws6LipO5HK2xk8ZyYEvNyIqB7rlB7k1xPn5X+AVsKjgjd GZ58W9JxNCYh2dZfg/Eu//ewXyeEH3GkcPHzE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.5.135 with SMTP id 7mr1993059fav.81.1264520804042; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:46:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1878367433.2007.1264520423000.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> References: <6c9fcc2a1001260733m6de56cd7m16e1c31e16da038@mail.gmail.com> <1878367433.2007.1264520423000.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:46:44 -0500 Message-ID: <6c9fcc2a1001260746r628be20ei7f531c2df6a630eb@mail.gmail.com> From: Barry Leiba To: Dan Karp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: morg Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: barryleiba@computer.org List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:46:38 -0000 >> Yes, I think this is a good idea. =A0On the queue for -01. > > Except that's not what LIST-EXTENDED says about CHILDREN, right? What I mean is that I'll put in appropriate wording for list-extended, as distinct from non-extended list. Barry From filip.navara@gmail.com Tue Jan 26 08:17:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D84E3A67D9 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:17:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IlXWpzLpkST8 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:17:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD0B3A6807 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so1134381bwz.29 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:17:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xwoElFDhCAvdDmI/jMRcXjs6vyC/gx1AAfppXGS1j/Y=; b=wZ7wW8nF5yP9k7hcrMpwqd3fHJzxXtNzoBiPDU+deNUfanfUXSEAR+RY5mzSuZrgXi /IvY4PRCCHflATCUHDr/dWq99g4yY4qkqEXouqKs31CmzZBjWJBWDbKT0sHu/WskdKHx CdmuttDpm8id0mxSEy6kgxscHXP2SApD/DYzc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=G98pab+vSETkAAhuCFLNSw5eoE2KO5y0yNFj+h0Uy/UqqkE+EbC3kDmvQcjEaRRxOM 512MFsqyxhVJhQXyxGBw8CL49mC0H8kSdElEscjRK2D713V22/UxdKVgf0lpa2nfDS7t sLCbGyZh0xMlaz0lZxZN6mv1tO38zOCJG5jI8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.160.67 with SMTP id m3mr3450533bkx.51.1264522671986; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:17:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6c9fcc2a1001251757p27d6f2cfsf275bb11eb348230@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c9fcc2a1001251757p27d6f2cfsf275bb11eb348230@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:17:51 +0100 Message-ID: <5b31733c1001260817n1e33fd4er122687a9498098e2@mail.gmail.com> From: Filip Navara To: barryleiba@computer.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:17:48 -0000 On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:57 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire= ctories. > > This draft is a work item of the Message Organization Working Group of = the IETF. > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : IMAP LIST extension for spec= ial-use mailboxes > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : B. Leiba, J. Nicolson > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-ietf-morg-list-specialus= e-00.txt > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 9 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2010-01-25 > > > > Some IMAP message stores include special-use mailboxes, such as those > > used to hold draft messages or sent messages. =A0Many mail clients > > allow users to specify where draft or sent messages should be put, > > but configuring them requires that the user know which mailboxes the > > server has set aside for these purposes. =A0This extension adds new > > mailbox flags that a server MAY include in IMAP LIST command > > responses to identify special-use mailboxes to the client, easing > > configuration. > ... > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00.= txt > > At the Hiroshima meeting, the working group agreed to add this > document to its list of work items. =A0It is a standards-track version > of gmail's "XLIST" extension, which has been implemented by several > mail clients already. =A0Google has said they would alter their > implementation to confirm to a standards-track version. > > Please review this new draft and comment on it. > > Barry, MORG secretary > _______________________________________________ > MORG mailing list > MORG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/morg > Note Well: http://www.ietf.org/maillist.html I know at least three servers that implement XLIST to some degree... - Gmail - Kerio Mail Server 6.7+ - IceWarp Mail Server 10.1 betas ... and at least three clients that implement it to some degree: - Mozilla Thunderbird 3+ - Apple iPhone - eM Client 2.5.6501+ Anybody else implements it? One issue I see with the draft is the behavior of \AllMail - in Gmail, the \AllMail folder is also used for archivation. Copying a message into it has the effect of the "Archive" button on Gmail web site. I believe Thunderbird 3+ also has the archive button that works based on the \AllMail flag and we eventually want to implement it in eM Client as well. The \AllMail flag as currently defined -=A0"This mailbox presents all messages in the user's message store." - however couldn't be used by servers that don't support virtual folders and which have designated archive folder. Thus I propose an "\Archive" flag that could be used instead of or in combination with the "\AllMail" flag. Another thing I would like to point out is that internally the IceWarp Mail Server uses METADATA [1] to store the special types of folders. This has its pros and cons and could be made compatible with the draft as it is by converting the USE parameter into the metadata on mailbox creating. The more important aspect of it is that it allows the clients to modify the locations of those special folders after they are created (much like in the Thunderbird "Copies and folders" pane in the "Account settings" dialog). Would such feature be useful or desirable to be standardized? Best regards, Filip Navara [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5464 From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Jan 26 08:41:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFA03A681B for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:41:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k7qvlA8NYXR9 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f221.google.com (mail-fx0-f221.google.com [209.85.220.221]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CB43A67B6 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:41:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm21 with SMTP id 21so727798fxm.29 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:41:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QUTXixWLN7KGYMjYK3LhcRRWDKbV1HIj2Xno8s4L368=; b=wOoO8bAmxxx0UrtuaERgF7L2iTHLvvA6ulsqdRBo1Yxj0DQrLgY7wUGGZqmLe4qXp2 zdIqZIWVMQzxjmmGKz5/An+sCAEiWzIMr5LC/H55ElssorrYIQqNEZdq/m5rFTDJL/sJ h0/2X1qAe9KL42+lUWU3MggmfnA34XvNZDuuo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KXF3o0qyO/RxsdNFOF3xrQ9dDZYJxVD9/XLKewC+fpZBZtz3Tcg4MkKX8yr5Ezi6Vg ylOfu4bc6XsHbpYS+3EL2S040nEBcySK0e0DNujhyU12GPSMpdlR1J4jxlOH0P0auipL b3fdqlDHZvrsDiLM3g/xRypKHPSRLiFKpenFI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.18.145 with SMTP id w17mr3292884faa.66.1264524089753; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:41:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5b31733c1001260817n1e33fd4er122687a9498098e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c9fcc2a1001251757p27d6f2cfsf275bb11eb348230@mail.gmail.com> <5b31733c1001260817n1e33fd4er122687a9498098e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:41:29 -0500 Message-ID: <6c9fcc2a1001260841u3741f29ftc9acb93c26e279e9@mail.gmail.com> From: Barry Leiba To: Filip Navara Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: barryleiba@computer.org List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:41:24 -0000 On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Filip Navara wro= te: > One issue I see with the draft is the behavior of \AllMail - in Gmail, > the \AllMail folder is also used for archivation. Copying a message > into it has the effect of the "Archive" button on Gmail web site. Of course, this draft (intentionally) doesn't specify anything about how the special-use mailboxes actually WORK, or what side effects their use has. I did try to get that idea across by saying that these may be strange entities (well, not in those words), but beyond that, they are what the server makes them. And I did point out that, for \AllMail in particular, the server MAY make adjustments. That said... > The \AllMail flag as currently defined -=A0"This mailbox > presents all messages in the user's message store." - however couldn't > be used by servers that don't support virtual folders and which have > designated archive folder. Thus I propose an "\Archive" flag that > could be used instead of or in combination with the "\AllMail" flag. ...I like the idea of an \Archive flag, and I'll add it to the next draft unless there's objection to it. I'd like to see comments in support of it, as well. > Another thing I would like to point out is that internally the IceWarp > Mail Server uses METADATA [1] to store the special types of folders. > This has its pros and cons and could be made compatible with the draft > as it is by converting the USE parameter into the metadata on mailbox > creating. The more important aspect of it is that it allows the > clients to modify the locations of those special folders after they > are created (much like in the Thunderbird "Copies and folders" pane in > the "Account settings" dialog). Would such feature be useful or > desirable to be standardized? Hm. Maybe. I can certainly put in an informative paragraph here that says that this says nothing about how the server stores this information, but if the server stores this information in metadata, it MAY allow clients to modify it (with a note in security considerations), and that any standardization of this is out of scope here, and subject to a possible future standard. What do others think? Barry From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Jan 26 08:46:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7FD3A681B for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:46:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7TUXJiWOI4GT for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f221.google.com (mail-fx0-f221.google.com [209.85.220.221]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A723A67B6 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm21 with SMTP id 21so732967fxm.29 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:46:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KWrcNbHUrdFUOgTtyFP480hPJpoWYkY8aEOY0OYaH84=; b=vxzVXzMNFDLNm5YANrFxkG+HHslM2Q5H5AfLKs6CkyNR8yRsY37b4Mhxx8/friVsaF ZnLEE31UwxJf5/THSiiOoxOMbYfyJvaxiZrZhDBABKz+1RHtJB/DwaI9mLcRnK30hvj1 k7RMF1uHQtyzNOD70Qii1+s8fRO09s6RVjAto= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=i3GA28GJOzVQraVAXiKSa+T2jtDrsP2HMMJ6iDyTOJe1M7ZJQoIcpmosidWmNBCkqr +GJYAmM1+7dAb8KKpWCgG2Q8QtoDaVmiFcTToZLeDdTC+wyrH7GDnuK3kU00/2Ub8rRC nLrKWjrxb8bZIUK7MqXkPxj1/A7Fp2tSe/PEE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.60.138 with SMTP id p10mr8628995fah.32.1264524375234; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:46:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1264503892.22202.4.camel@hurina> References: <6c9fcc2a1001251757p27d6f2cfsf275bb11eb348230@mail.gmail.com> <1264503892.22202.4.camel@hurina> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:46:15 -0500 Message-ID: <6c9fcc2a1001260846l2cae5b69p608256fd6a6dfbd5@mail.gmail.com> From: Barry Leiba To: Timo Sirainen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: barryleiba@computer.org List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:46:08 -0000 > I'm mainly wondering if it should describe interaction with > LIST-EXTENDED, similar to how LIST-EXTENDED handles \*Children flags. So > basically "when doing extended LIST, don't send these specialuse flags, > unless SPECIALUSE return option is specified". But I don't have any > strong opinion on it either way. Here's what I've changed for this: -------------------------------- 2. New mailbox flags identifying special-use mailboxes An IMAP server that supports this extension MAY include any or all of the following flags in responses to the non-extended IMAP LIST command. The new flags are included along with existing flags, such as "\Marked" and "\Noselect". A given mailbox may have none, one, or more than one of these flags. In some cases, a special use is advice to a client about what to put in that mailbox. In other cases, it's advice to a client about what to expect to find there. For the extended list command [LISTX], this extension adds a new return option, "SPECIAL-USE". The new special-use flags SHOULD be returned if the client specifies the SPECIAL-USE return option, and SHOULD NOT be returned otherwise. -------------------------------- And I've added a registration for the SPECIAL-USE return option, and a normative reference to RFC 5258. [I can change the SHOULD NOT to MAY, if people prefer; I don't care either way.] Barry From dkarp@zimbra.com Tue Jan 26 08:52:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905263A67CC for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:52:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0HlSquaZmnmc for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta02.zimbra.com (mta02.zimbra.com [207.126.229.144]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5C93A63EC for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta02.zimbra.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93B1C78057; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:52:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.com Received: from mta02.zimbra.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta02.zimbra.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CP6NQ4ntnuOo; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from dogfood.zimbra.com (dogfood.zimbra.com [207.126.229.140]) by mta02.zimbra.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B492C78049; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:52:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:52:50 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Karp To: barryleiba@computer.org Message-ID: <201459605.2048.1264524770044.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> In-Reply-To: <2002901375.2046.1264524740700.JavaMail.root@dogfood.zimbra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2186.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Mac)/6.0.5_GA_2186.RHEL4_64) Cc: morg@ietf.org, Timo Sirainen Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:52:41 -0000 > For the extended list command [LISTX], this extension adds a new > return option, "SPECIAL-USE". The new special-use flags SHOULD be > returned if the client specifies the SPECIAL-USE return option, > and SHOULD NOT be returned otherwise. > > And I've added a registration for the SPECIAL-USE return option, and > a normative reference to RFC 5258. [I can change the SHOULD NOT to > MAY, if people prefer; I don't care either way.] MAY is consistent with the handling of CHILDREN, so I'd vote for that. But would it make even more sense to just always return this data in extended LIST responses as well? No need for RETURN SPECIAL-USE, just always return the data? From murch@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Jan 26 09:01:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB453A67F4 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:01:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=3.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m1V3slVgMzSf for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (SMTP.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.11.61]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DB53A67DB for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.137.24] (cpe-76-180-146-99.buffalo.res.rr.com [76.180.146.99]) (user=murch mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0QH1a5L009315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:01:36 -0500 Message-ID: <4B5F1FEF.3030006@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:01:35 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Carnegie Mellon University User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: morg@ietf.org References: <29995_1264471072_o0Q1voYN021660_6c9fcc2a1001251757p27d6f2cfsf275bb11eb348230@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <29995_1264471072_o0Q1voYN021660_6c9fcc2a1001251757p27d6f2cfsf275bb11eb348230@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 5.5.9.388399, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.26.165121 X-SMTP-Spam-Clean: 10% ( TO_IN_SUBJECT 0.5, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_200_299 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED 0, RDNS_POOLED 0, RDNS_RESIDENTIAL 0, RDNS_SUSP 0, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC 0, RDNS_SUSP_SPECIFIC 0, SMALL_BODY 0, TO_NO_NAME 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_MSGID 0, __RDNS_POOLED_2 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __USER_AGENT 0) X-SMTP-Spam-Score: 10% X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 128.2.11.61 Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:01:38 -0000 Barry Leiba wrote: > Please review this new draft and comment on it. Shouldn't we use the extended CREATE syntax specified in RFC4466? http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4466#section-2.2 -- Kenneth Murchison Systems Programmer Carnegie Mellon University From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Tue Jan 26 09:04:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F943A63EC for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:04:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.563 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.563 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.036, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NvCewGMyHKl4 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4303A67CC for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.2.190] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:04:22 +0000 Message-ID: <4B5F2080.2030002@isode.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:04:00 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Ken Murchison References: <29995_1264471072_o0Q1voYN021660_6c9fcc2a1001251757p27d6f2cfsf275bb11eb348230@mail.gmail.com> <4B5F1FEF.3030006@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <4B5F1FEF.3030006@andrew.cmu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:04:17 -0000 Ken Murchison wrote: > Barry Leiba wrote: > >> Please review this new draft and comment on it. > > Shouldn't we use the extended CREATE syntax specified in RFC4466? > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4466#section-2.2 Yes :-)! From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Jan 26 09:54:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1D93A6876 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:54:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t6XWCwjSH2Xx for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f221.google.com (mail-fx0-f221.google.com [209.85.220.221]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9393A67E7 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:54:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by fxm21 with SMTP id 21so807699fxm.29 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:54:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ex6H4au6kleMJ8TQMMLUMmGEAPprk1Hz8BGePWX4FoU=; b=URp0CvVDVi7v9DediaFBk36iKlIVBAYUyAXeFfLI/kJ+ilj6AZ/zV4VbGvl9skGlaG p6GNd3N6FUC6oje+NhwtGpY3es8Xhal421ZUnBbDYoY4qJDdx1u1ApUM389vU+z4F/YE ifi/dQTj/DxFMqwOqDrN1EmhYYAsfVpMu+dZY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=YbM4mVfsooB4s/Z9rJkZ0xEQPpINhhe0Ok+90v1Q30/aocxUWhAMMghWhTTzIrRqew dgMn8trZwwaZaEVZivI3W6fILvf1nNhT1BentXqlBPtMkoXWqINGbXzK7OSTb2ULlOW1 K3yKYvFXPfFZNz1QZtNRoaRlZYYT7XMq3z5S0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.132.197 with SMTP id c5mr2751519fat.35.1264528479721; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:54:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B5F1FEF.3030006@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <29995_1264471072_o0Q1voYN021660_6c9fcc2a1001251757p27d6f2cfsf275bb11eb348230@mail.gmail.com> <4B5F1FEF.3030006@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:54:39 -0500 Message-ID: <6c9fcc2a1001260954t2cb72f85uaeeeecab08de4059@mail.gmail.com> From: Barry Leiba To: Ken Murchison Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: barryleiba@computer.org List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:54:36 -0000 > Shouldn't we use the extended CREATE syntax specified in RFC4466? Ha; and I wasn't even aware of this (or I'd forgotten). Sure, I'll change the syntax to use this. Barry From nicolson@google.com Tue Jan 26 11:43:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1345A3A683C for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:43:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.676 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.676 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C1xZ1Gaeq1vB for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:43:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.33.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FB13A68DF for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from spaceape11.eur.corp.google.com (spaceape11.eur.corp.google.com [172.28.16.145]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id o0QJi0Jt019725 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:44:00 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1264535040; bh=3jccinF9YpKXhkM6I8Bx2NWDoIs=; h=MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID:Subject:To:Content-Type; b=CJ0xn/k31WOdnf0r1WgAeSfQ7qGhkCQZ92iPR061kj7NDKzlU9joic9k/CRU1ZsmI UgWD37eDgYbI8FkiE3+dA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type:x-system-of-record; b=I406keRdG8+jn8O7pzi4u5sNY8p8vrWxp1umHQIDTpzOPSNUliGKGSTThHH5liBxc U4azdc3lu8xDRJQHMCE8Q== Received: from ywh14 (ywh14.prod.google.com [10.192.8.14]) by spaceape11.eur.corp.google.com with ESMTP id o0QJhw1C032263 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:43:59 -0800 Received: by ywh14 with SMTP id 14so4672368ywh.20 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:43:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.4.26 with SMTP id 26mr1406477ybd.0.1264535038281; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:43:58 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?B?SmFtaWUgTmljb2xzb24gKOWAquW/l+aYjik=?= Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:43:38 -0800 Message-ID: To: morg@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6ac3cc34887047e16813a X-System-Of-Record: true Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:50:45 -0000 --000e0cd6ac3cc34887047e16813a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I mentioned to Barry that some of the proposed flags are a bit Gmail-specific. If we want to encourage more server vendor adoption, we might consider changing: - \Starred to something like \Important Many clients use some other visual indicator, like a flag, to indicate importance. - \Spam to \Junk There's some prior art with clients using "Junk" instead of "Spam" in their IMAP keywords. (Although I see that Junk has been removed from draft-melnikov-imap-keywords-*). - \AllMail to \All The "Mail" seems redundant --000e0cd6ac3cc34887047e16813a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I mentioned to Barry that some of the proposed flags are a bit Gmail-specif= ic. If we want to encourage more server vendor adoption, we might consider = changing:

- \Starred to something like \Important
Many clients use some other visual indicator, like a flag, to indicate= importance.

- \Spam to \Junk
There'= s some prior art with clients using "Junk" instead of "Spam&= quot; in their IMAP keywords. (Although I see that Junk has been removed fr= om=A0draft-melnikov-imap-keywords-*).

- \AllMail to \All
The "Mail" seems= redundant



--000e0cd6ac3cc34887047e16813a-- From tony@att.com Tue Jan 26 14:10:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4FB3A68D9 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:10:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.368 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.368 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JvfBQwzIhH1H for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail161.messagelabs.com (mail161.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.115]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450A23A679C for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:10:12 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-161.messagelabs.com!1264543822!38416570!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.4; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 26510 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2010 22:10:23 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-12.tower-161.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 26 Jan 2010 22:10:23 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0QMATA8028219 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:10:29 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0QMASSn028180 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:10:28 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0QMAKko007721 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:10:20 -0500 Received: from maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0QMAFEc007495 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:10:15 -0500 Received: from [135.70.178.153] (vpn-135-70-178-153.vpn.mwst.att.com[135.70.178.153]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20100126221014gw100m6bmle> (Authid: tony); Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:10:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.178.153] Message-ID: <4B5F6846.4000102@att.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:10:14 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: morg@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:10:13 -0000 How is \Starred any different from the current \Flagged? Tony Hansen tony@att.com Jamie Nicolson (=E5=80=AA=E5=BF=97=E6=98=8E) wrote: > I mentioned to Barry that some of the proposed flags are a bit=20 > Gmail-specific. If we want to encourage more server vendor adoption, we= =20 > might consider changing: >=20 > - \Starred to something like \Important > Many clients use some other visual indicator, like a flag, to indicate = > importance. >=20 > - \Spam to \Junk > There's some prior art with clients using "Junk" instead of "Spam" in=20 > their IMAP keywords. (Although I see that Junk has been removed=20 > from draft-melnikov-imap-keywords-*). >=20 > - \AllMail to \All > The "Mail" seems redundant From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Tue Jan 26 14:10:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1913A69DC for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:10:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hgxeYhWG+6na for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEF13A69D1 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [92.40.157.114] (92.40.157.114.sub.mbb.three.co.uk [92.40.157.114]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:11:08 +0000 Message-ID: <4B5F6871.8030404@isode.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:10:57 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: =?UTF-8?B?IkphbWllIE5pY29sc29uICjlgKrlv5fmmI4pIg==?= References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Cc: morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:10:59 -0000 Hi Jamie, Jamie Nicolson (=E5=80=AA=E5=BF=97=E6=98=8E) wrote: > - \Spam to \Junk > There's some prior art with clients using "Junk" instead of "Spam" in=20 > their IMAP keywords. (Although I see that Junk has been removed=20 > from draft-melnikov-imap-keywords-* Junk wasn't really removed - draft-melnikov-imap-keywords-* was changed=20 to just establish an IANA registry, and I will register $Junk/$NonJunk=20 in it once the RFC is published. > ). From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Tue Jan 26 14:12:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF473A68D9 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:12:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h6BPqXm0gHlY for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCA428C0F3 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [92.40.157.114] (92.40.157.114.sub.mbb.three.co.uk [92.40.157.114]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:12:10 +0000 Message-ID: <4B5F68B0.1000908@isode.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:12:00 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Tony Hansen References: <4B5F6846.4000102@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4B5F6846.4000102@att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:12:08 -0000 Tony Hansen wrote: > How is \Starred any different from the current \Flagged? \Starred is a mailbox attribute while \Flagged is a message flag. So different namespaces. From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Tue Jan 26 14:35:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: morg@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BEA28C108 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:35:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.444, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hIZKhRJIPFDj for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FFC28C106 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.2.158] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:35:14 +0000 Message-ID: <4B5F6E0A.7090709@isode.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:34:50 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Tony Hansen References: <4B5F6846.4000102@att.com> <4B5F68B0.1000908@isode.com> In-Reply-To: <4B5F68B0.1000908@isode.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: morg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MORG] New WG document:draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-00 X-BeenThere: morg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Messaging Organization List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:35:04 -0000 Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Tony Hansen wrote: > >> How is \Starred any different from the current \Flagged? > > \Starred is a mailbox attribute while \Flagged is a message flag. So > different namespaces. ... but if they were in the same namespace, they would probably mean the same thing.