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Folks,

	You are receiving this mail message because you are already
subscribed to the new MPLS mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org. Eric
Rosen and I are in the process of transitioning from the previous
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	Please post all future MPLS working group electronic mail to
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	Thanks in advance...

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This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Detecting MPLS Data Plane Failures
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	Filename	: draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-06.txt
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Requirements for Point to Multipoint Traffic Engineered MPLS LSPs
	Author(s)	: S. Yasukawa
	Filename	: draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-requirement-03.txt
	Pages		: 30
	Date		: 2004-7-20
	
This document presents a set of requirements for
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    Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). It specifies
    functional requirements for solutions in order to deliver P2MP
    applications over a MPLS TE infrastructure. It is intended that
    solutions that specify procedures for P2MP TE LSP setup satisfy
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Hi,

This has been posted, but I didn't see any notification.

There is no change in substance in this version of the draft.
Updates to IPR, copyright and references.

As far as the authors are concerned, the draft is 'cooked' and we are just waiting for
implementations to converge.

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All,

I've compiled the request for slots on the wg meeting agenda
I've received so far. As well volunteered some people to discuss
issues that the wg need to work with.

The agenda is still strictly tentative and it will be changing
over the coming week, and I will not necessary tell the list
every we make changes.

Please check if your request has been taken care of, or if you
not sent in a request yet it is time to do so.

The agenda is available at:

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Now that IP multicast for L3VPNs has been officially added to the charter, I
hope  the WG  will adopt  draft-rosen-vpn-mcast as  a WG  draft.   It's been
around for years, it  has significant deployments, there are implementations
from more than one vendor, and they even interoperate in many cases. 

We recently posted the latest version of this, draft-rosen-vpn-mcast-07.txt.
This differs from the -06 version in the following respects:

- The sections  describing alternative schemes which  were never implemented
  and are not currently under consideration have been removed. 

- When a PE  receives a Join from a  CE, the PE must determine  which of the
  other PEs is  the PIM adjacency to which the Join  must be forwarded.  The
  procedure in  -06 did not always work  when the two PEs  were in different
  Autonomous Systems.  The procedure in the -07 version works in all cases. 

- For multi-provider multicast domains,  the procedures described in -06 did
  not  include the use  of PIM-SSM  ("Single Source  Mode") in  the provider
  network.  We have come to believe though that PIM-SSM is very important in
  the inter-provider  case, as (a) it  eliminates the need  for providers to
  coordinate their  use of  multicast addresses, and  (b) it  eliminates the
  need  for multiple  providers to  either coordinate  on the  use of  a PIM
  Rendezvous Point  (RP) or to deploy  MSDP.  The procedures  of -07 provide
  full support  for PIM-SSM.  In  -07, PIM-SSM is  also made a  "required to
  implement".

- For a multi-provider multicast domain, -06 presupposed that all the PEs of
  one  provider's  network  would  be  routable  in the  IGP  of  the  other
  providers' networks.  Version -07 has procedures which remove the need for
  this presupposition. 

- Version -06  hints at a  method for increasing replication  efficiency (at
  the  expense of  additional state)  by  allowing more  than one  multicast
  distribution  tree for each  VPN. Version  -07 provides  considerably more
  detail on how this is done. 

Version -07 is the first version  in years to have substantive changes, so I
hope anyone interested in MVPN will look at it carefully, in preparation for
a discussion in San Diego. 

Version  -07  also references  a  couple  of  other relatively  new  drafts,
draft-nalawade-idr-mdt-safi-00.txt,   and   draft-wijnands-pim-proxy   which
specify BGP and PIM extensions respectively that are used by some of the new
procedures for inter-AS and for BGP-free cores.

I  would also  like to  take note  of draft-raggarwa-l3vpn-2547-mvpn-00.txt.
This  is  mostly  a  cut-and-paste  of  draft-rosen-vpn-mcast-06.txt,  which
purports  to describe  "the  minimal  set of  procedures  required to  build
inter-operable implementations of multicast support for BGP/MPLS VPNs". 

I notice that one of the cut-and-paste operations was to cut out the list of
authors and replace it with a new  list!  As a result, many of the sentences
seem to have been  written by someone who isn't on the  list of authors.  Of
course, the new "authors" do not claim to be producing original work, but it
is a bit unusual to take someone  else's work, strip it down, rearrange it a
bit, and then put one's own name on it. 

However, the  point that draft-rosen  does not clearly specify  the "minimal
set  of procedures"  for  interoperability  is well  taken.   The WG  should
certainly decide  which of  the procedures specified  therein are  MUSTs and
which are optional.  The two  drafts make some different choices about this,
though the number of substantive differences are really quite small and they
do  not appear  to be  fundamental.  Therefore  I would  propose to  have an
explicit  discussion  of  the  differences.   The WG  should  resolve  those
differences,  and subsequent versions  of draft-rosen  (or draft-ietf-l3vpn-
whatever) should reflect the WG's decisions.

What  draft-raggarwa really  does is  describe a  particular implementation,
with  the  suggestion that  the  IETF  standard  should require  only  those
procedures  which  are  deployed  today  as  part  of  that  implementation.
Everything else is "out of scope".  That  doesn't seem to me to be the right
approach; the WG should be free to produce a standard with required features
that go beyond today's "pre-standard" implementations.

Anyway, here is what I think the differences are: 

- draft-raggarwa presents  a procedure for  multi-provider multicast domains
  which  does  not work  in  conjunction  with option  b  of  section 10  of
  rfc2547bis.  Compatibility with  option b is declared out  of scope, which
  seems  somewhat arbitrary.   I don't  know  what they  think about  draft-
  rosen's  solution for  this, but  certainly some  such solution  should be
  REQUIRED  in  the  standard.   Draft-raggarwa  also  does  not  present  a
  procedure which  works within  a BGP-free core  ("out of  scope"), whereas
  draft-  rosen does;  it certainly  seems  reasonable for  the standard  to
  specify (and even require) such a procedure.

- draft-raggarwa has the following somewhat confusing paragraphs: 

   "Determination of the C-Join PIM neighbor address i.e. the RPF
   neighbor address needs to be further explained. This depends on the
   procedure used to assign an address to the MT interface. The address
   of this interface MUST be the BGP next-hop address of the unicast VPN
   routes advertised by the MD VRF. This will typically be a PE loopback
   address in the provider address space. 

   To determine the C-Join neighbor address, the PE does a route lookup
   on the C-Source address. This address is a VPN unicast route learnt
   from the PE sitting in front of the multicast source. The route
   lookup results in the BGP next-hop of the C-source VPN unicast route.
   This BGP next-hop is the neighbor address to use while sending the
   PIM-Join."

  They are correct  to assert that, in the  absence of additional procedures
  (such as, e.g., use of the "connector" attribute discussed in draft-rosen)
  things won't work unless the MT interface address is the same address used
  by the BGP  session which is advertising the VPN-IPv4  routes from the VRF
  with  which  the MT  is  associated.  So  (in  the  absence of  additional
  procedures) it should be a MUST  for these "two" addresses to be the same.
  (In  some  cases  this  can  be  automated, it  others  it  might  require
  configuration.)  But  I don't know what  they mean by  saying that finding
  the RPF address "depends on the procedure used to assign an address to the
  MT interface".   The problem is  that determining the RPF  address DOESN'T
  depend on how the MT interface addresses were assigned, it depends only on
  the BGP next-hop  attributes.  Thus if the MT  interface addresses are not
  assigned  "correctly", the RPF  address is  not determined  correctly, and
  things just don't work.

  Another problem is that this way of determining the RPF address is exactly
  the thing that doesn't work in  conjunction with option b of section 10 of
  rfc2547bis.

  Section 6.2  of draft-rosen  has a more  complete discussion of  this, but
  could probably do  a better job of clarifying the  relation between the MT
  interface address and the address used by BGP. 

  The  relevant procedures  of draft-rosen  make use  of a  new  BGP address
  family, MDT-SAFI, and  a new BGP attribute, "connector",  specified in the
  draft-nalawade cited above.  I see that the very same idea is proposed, in
  a slightly different  manner, in newer draft-raggarwa-bgp-nexthop-rewrite-
  00.  In the  latter draft it is  called the "original  next hop" attribute
  instead of the "connector" attribute, but the only real difference is that
  the encoding proposed there does  not encode an address family identifier,
  while the encoding in draft-nalawade does.  (Also, they don't actually say
  that they intend  to use this for multicast VPNs, but  I presume that they
  do.)  By not encoding an address  family, they implicitly rule out the use
  of the MDT-SAFI address family, so  I think the real underlying issue here
  is whether  the MDT-SAFI  address family is  really necessary or  not.  We
  should  discuss this  explicitly  rather  than trying  to  hide it  behind
  encoding issues.  The  MDT-SAFI address family is proposed  to be used for
  PIM-SSM support,  and to facilitate  the creation of a  multicast topology
  which is  "non-congruent" to the unicast  topology.  I think  we'd need to
  see alternate  proposals for the  support of this functionality  before we
  could just eliminate that address family.

- There is a difference between the  two drafts with respect to which of the
  PIM variants should be a "required to implement". 

  Draft-raggarwa  requires  PIM-SM  (sparse  mode),  as it  is  the  variant
  deployed  by  the  implementation   which  this  draft  describes,  and  a
  scalability advantage over other PIM variants is claimed.

  Draft-rosen requires PIM-SSM (single source multicast), as we believe this
  to be  the most feasible way  of supporting multi-provider  VPNs at scale.
  The advantages of PIM-SSM for multi-provider VPNs are two:

  * PIM-SSM  is  the  only PIM  variant  which  does  not require  that  the
    SP assign a unique multicast group address to each VPN; rather, only the
    order pair <PE address, multicast group address> has to be unique.  With
    any  other PIM  variant, the  SPs have  to coordinate  on  the multicast
    address assignment, and the assigned  addresses have to be distinct from
    any other multicast addresses which may  occur in any of the SP networks
    through  which the VPN  traffic passes.   In rfc2547bis  we go  to great
    lengths to ensure  that it is easy to  assign addresses uniquely without
    coordination, and only PIM-SSM  allows this characteristic to be carried
    over to multicast.   (Multicast address assignment has long  been one of
    the thorniest problems for the deployment of multicast generally.) 

  * PIM-SSM eliminates the need  to deploy either multi-provider "Rendezvous
    Points" (RPs) or MSDP.  The main purpose  of the RP in PIM-SM or of MSDP
    is to enable  the receivers to discover the  transmitters.  However, the
    auto-discovery  function for  the sort  of  VPNs we  are considering  is
    generally  done via BGP,  and there's  really no  need to  require other
    protocols to be used solely for the purpose of multicast auto-discovery.

  Draft-raggarwa does  not address the first  of these two  points, but does
  address the second: 

     "Even if the ASs are under control of multiple service
      providers, the level of cooperation required to offer even plain
      unicast 2547 VPN service is high enough, which means that one more
      issue (ownership of RP) may not be a significant addition to what is
      already required. And if that is the case, the providers can share
      RPs, and MSDP is not required. If each provider insists on having its
      own local RP, MSDP can be used between the RPs that belong to the
      different providers." 

  Frankly, this defense seems rather half-hearted to me.

  Draft-raggarwa does have a  discussion (section 5.1) about "switching from
  shared to source  specific trees in the SP network"  where it is suggested
  that scalability can be improved by using the shared tree rooted at the RP
  rather than  by using source  trees.  While the  use of shared  trees does
  help to  scale the  amount of  multicast routing state  in the  network, a
  better  way of  using  a shared  tree  would be  to  use PIM-BIDIR,  which
  eliminates the need to first send the multicast data packets to the RP.

  Be that  as it may,  the discussion  in section 5.1  is noted as  being "a
  local  implementation  choice" that  "does  not impact  interoperability".
  Since  draft-raggarwa  purports  to  describe  only "the  minimal  set  of
  procedures required  to build  inter-operable implementations", it  is not
  clear why section 5.1 is even there.

There are some other new things in draft-rosen which don't conflict directly
with anything in  draft-raggarwa, such as the support for  "Data MDTs", so I
won't discuss them in this note.  However, ultimately we will need to decide
whether these  are mandatory  or optional procedures  (assuming that  the WG
agrees to include them in the standard). 

My hope is  that the technical issues raised above will  be discussed on the
list and/or in  San Diego, with the goal of producing  a single WG document,
specifying the  complete set of  procedures as well  as the set  of required
procedures shortly thereafter.

  








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Sorry, I just sent a message on multicast to L3VPNs to the MPLS list instead
of  to the  L3VPN list.   Those of  you on  the MPLS  list only  should just
disregard it, as it is entirely an L3VPN issue. 


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Hi,

I see this is included in the agenda but I did not see it getting posted.

Thanks,

Albert

Loa Andersson wrote:
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> 
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> http://www.tla-group.com/~mpls/mpls-agenda-sd.htm
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Alber,
Here's the URL
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-raggarwa-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp-00.txt
The draft had to be renamed for submission to include an author's name.

Thanks,
Alan

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> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I see this is included in the agenda but I did not see it 
> getting posted.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Albert
> 
> Loa Andersson wrote:
> > 
> > All,
> > 
> > I've compiled the request for slots on the wg meeting agenda I've 
> > received so far. As well volunteered some people to discuss issues 
> > that the wg need to work with.
> > 
> > The agenda is still strictly tentative and it will be changing over 
> > the coming week, and I will not necessary tell the list 
> every we make 
> > changes.
> > 
> > Please check if your request has been taken care of, or if you not 
> > sent in a request yet it is time to do so.
> > 
> > The agenda is available at:
> > 
> > http://www.tla-group.com/~mpls/mpls-agenda-sd.htm
> > 
> > /Loa
> > 
> > Loa Andersson
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Hi Albert,

This should be:

draft-raggarwa-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp-00.txt

Thanks,
rahul


On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Albert Tian wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I see this is included in the agenda but I did not see it getting posted.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Albert
>
> Loa Andersson wrote:
> >
> > All,
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At 09:23 AM 7/21/2004 -0700, Albert Tian wrote:
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>I see this is included in the agenda but I did not see it getting posted.

we posted as draft-raggarwa-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp-00.txt (draft-dry-... not 
accepted as a valid name)

JP.

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Hi,

We have updated draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-requirement to attempt
to address the comments made during Working Group last call.

The biggest change we have made is to de-emphasise RSVP-TE
as the signaling protocol used to establish P2MP TE LSPs. 

We have also made some smaller editorial changes to ensure that
the draft does not imply that the applications mentions MUST be addressed through P2MP TE MPLS - the new text is meant to say
that these applications are only illustrative examples of things
you might choose to use P2MP MPLS TE for.

We are still having off-line discussions about whether the
changes made actually satisfy the concerns raised during
last call, but in the mean time, we thought that everyone would
like to see the new version of the draft.

We have also found several holes in the requirements as we
attempted to move forward with early versions of solutions drafts.

We are working to produce a -04 version. Our plan is to have this
version completed by mid-August.

Some of these additions will necessitate discussion, and we will be
sending some questions to the mailing list over the next month.

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Hi WG,

This email provides a status of the P2MP MPLS TE solution effort.

The following is a first version of a single P2MP MPLS TE solution
draft:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-raggarwa-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp-00.txt

This draft incorporates concepts from both draft-raggarwa-mpls-p2mp-te-02.txt
and draft-yasukawa-mpls-rsvp-p2mp-04.txt. Both these drafts were discussed
at the last IETF and the direction from the WG was to come up with a
merged draft with a single solution. This single solution framework is
presented in the new merged draft. A few unresolved issues remain. These
are pointed out in the new draft and will also be discussed in the MPLS
WG meeting in SD.

We would like to request WG input on the new draft both on the list
and at the MPLS WG meeting in SD. Feedback is highly appreciated.

Thanks,
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Hi,

Just a reminder that a PCE BOF will be held at San Diego in the Wednesday 9am slot.

See below for a summary of the objectives.

You might also like to look at a problem statement draft...
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ash-pce-problem-statement-00.txt

Cheers,
Adrian
===

Path Computation Element BOF (PCE BOF)
60th IETF, San Diego, August 2004

Routing Area Ads: Alex Zinin (zinin@psg.com),
                  Bill Fenner (fenner@research.att.com)

BOF Chairs: JP Vasseur (jvasseur@cisco.com), 
            Adrian Farrel (adrian@olddog.co.uk)

Description:
In certain MPLS TE networks it may be beneficial or desirable to have path 
computation performed by a distinct node (termed the Path Computation 
Element  PCE) that is not the LSR that needs to know the path. This BOF 
 examines the scope of such function, what extensions to existing protocols 
 might required, what additional protocols may need to be developed, and 
 whether there is cuase and support for this work within the IETF.
 
 
 Proposed WG Charter
 
 Organizational Overview
The PCE working group coordinates the work within the IETF of defining the 
 operation of path computation elements within the Internet. Path 
 computation elements are responsible for computing paths through IP 
 networks for uses such as traffic engineering so that a prime consumer of 
 such paths might be an MPLS-TE LSR. Areas of responsibility will include 
 the collection of attributes relevant to the computation of paths, the 
 discovery by LSRs of available path computation elements, the communication 
 with LSRs for the request of path computation, the collaboration between 
 path computation elements within the network, and analysis of path 
 computation algorithms with a view to ensuring consistency between computed 
 paths. The working group will work closely with many working groups in the 
 Routing Area including the OSPF, IS-IS, IDR, MPLS and CCAMP working groups.
 
 Working Group Scope
The PCE working group scope includes:
- Definition  of Generalized Traffic Engineered LSP paths computation 
  techniques involving Path Computation Element(s). This includes the intra 
  IGP area, inter IGP area, inter-AS and inter-provider TE LSPs path 
  computation for Point-to-Point, Point-to-Multipoint and 
  Multipoint-to-Multipoint TE LSPs.
- Definition of protocol-independent metrics and constraints defining path 
  quality measurement criteria, algorithm complexity and scalability criteria 
  related to path computation techniques.
- Definition of requirements for communication between LSRs and PCEs  
  including routing extensions in support of PCE discovery techniques within 
  an IGP area and across multiple IGP areas, ASes and Provider networks, and 
  including the development of new protocols or protocol extensions for 
  requesting path computation and supplying responses. Any protocol 
  extensions will developed in conjunction with the working groups in charge 
  of the specific protocols.
- Specification of routing (OSPF, ISIS, BGP) and signalling extensions 
  (RSVP-TE) required by PCE-based path computation techniques. The extensions 
  will developed in conjunction with the working groups in charge of the 
  specific protocols.
- Specification of requirements and protocol extensions related to the 
  policy, security and confidentiality aspects of PCE-based path computation 
  techniques involving PCEs of multiple Providers.
- Definition of MIBs, management procedures related to the protocol 
  extensions defined by the WG
 
In doing this work, the WG will closely work with at least the following 
other WGs: CCAMP, MPLS, ISIS, OSPF, IDR. The WG will also cooperate with 
the ITU-T  and OIF.
 
 Goals and Milestones
 
Dates for milestones to be decided later.
- Post strawman WG goals and charter.
- Submit WG document defining the framework and applicability of the 
  PCE model.
- Select a single candidate protocol from communication between LSRs 
  and PCEs.
- Submit document(s) that define various path computation models
- Submit an analysis document examining the requirements for coherent
  computation techniques and the implication of cooperation between 
  PCEs.
- Submit a document defining the protocol for communication between 
  LSRs and PCEs.
- Submit document(s) defining extensions to routing and signalling 
  protocols necessary to support the use of a PCE model within MPLS
  networks.
- Submit a document defining MIB modules for modeling and management 
  of PCE systems.

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Hi,

Apologies for the confusion about the date and time of this BOF.

The latest version of the agenda appears to have moved it to 

THURSDAY, August 5, 2004
1300-1500 Afternoon Sessions I
RTG   pce       Path Computation Element BOF

No idea whether this is final.

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resending to mpls@ietf.org
below was to mpls@uu.net

Thanks,
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: MIB Doctor review: draft-ietf-mpls-lc-if-mib-02.txt


Mmm... so supposedly this has been checked against MIB review 
guidelines and ID-Checklist and such ?

Oh well... here we go.

- The abstract should NOT be numbered and normally appear before
  the toc.
    $ idnits-v1.33 <drafts/draft-ietf-mpls-lc-if-mib-02.txt
    idnits 1.33 (09 Jul 2004)
    Abstract section seems to be numbered

- The abstract talks about "MIBs" where as it should use the term
  "MIB modules". So does introduction and maybe other places.
- The abstract seems incomplete, cause it does not tell that there
  are also MIB Object Definitions (or a MIB Module) in the document.

- This text in sect 2
      This memo does not, in its draft form, specify a standard for the
      Internet community.
  is correct, but should be removed (or rfc-ed instructions to remove it) 
  before this goes to IETF Last Call

- RFC2026 is in references section, but it is never cited. It should not
  be cited (as per RFC-Editor instructions and ID_Checklist), so that
  is correct, but then a reference is not needed either

- The MPLS-LC-FR-STD-MIB IMPORTS from RFC2115, so that must be listed as a
  normative reference, and there must be a citation to it somehwere in the
  text.

- The MPLS-LC-ATM-STD-MIB IMPORTS from RFC2514, so that must be listed as a
  normative reference, and there must be a citation to it somehwere in the
  text.

- mplsLcAtmStdMIB MODULE-IDENTITY
   LAST-UPDATED "200405011200Z"  -- 01 May 2004 12:00:00 GMT
   ORGANIZATION "Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Working Group"
   CONTACT-INFO
       "        Thomas D. Nadeau
        Postal: Cisco Systems, Inc.
                250 Apollo Drive
                Chelmsford, MA 01824
        Tel:    +1-978-244-3051
        Email:  tnadeau@cisco.com

                Subrahmanya Hegde
        Postal: Cisco Systems, Inc.
                225 East Tazman Drive
        Tel:    +1-408-525-6562
        Email:  subrah@cisco.com
        General comments should be sent to mpls@uu.net
       "
   DESCRIPTION
       "This MIB contains managed object definitions for
        MPLS Label Controlled ATM interfaces as defined in
        RFC3035."
  Must add copyright text

- mplsLcFrStdMIB MODULE-IDENTITY
   LAST-UPDATED "200405011200Z"  -- 01 May 2004 12:00:00 GMT
   ORGANIZATION "Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Working Group"
   CONTACT-INFO
       "        Thomas D. Nadeau
                Cisco Systems, Inc.
        Email:  tnadeau@cisco.com

                Subrahmanya Hegde
        Email:  subrah@cisco.com
        General comments should be sent to mpls@uu.net
       "
   DESCRIPTION
       "This MIB contains managed object definitions for
        MPLS Label Controlled Frame-Relay interfaces as defined
        in RFC3034."

   -- Revision history.
   REVISION
        "200405011200Z"  -- 01 May 2004 12:00:00 GMT
   DESCRIPTION
       "Initial draft revision."
   ::= { mplsStdMIB XXX } -- To Be Assigned by IANA

  Should have Copyright text in the first DESCRIPTION clause
  REVISION DESCRIPTION clause better be:
   DESCRIPTION
       "Initial version, published as RFC xxxx."
       -- RFC Editor please fill in xxxx

If you're doing an update anyway, you migth at same time fill in RFC numbers
for the MPLS MIB documents that were published as RFC a few weeks back.

Next time, also pls use boilerplate of RFC3667/3668.

And while you are at it:

- mplsLcAtmStdInterfaceConfRowStatus
        entries in this table, the corresponding
        corresponding ifEntry and mplsInterfaceConfEntry
  has 2 consecutive "corresponding"

Thanks,
Bert 

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Hi,

I have submitted updated version for two of the drafts that I'll be presenting
in SD:


  6. "Source Routed MPLS LSP using Domain Wide Label", 
      draft-tian-mpls-lsp-source-route-00.txt

draft-tian-mpls-lsp-source-route-01.txt is now available.
 

  8. "Fast Reroute using Alternative Shortest Paths", 
     draft-tian-frr-alt-shortest-path-00.txt

draft-tian-frr-alt-shortest-path-01.txt is now available.

These changes have not be reflected in the agenda yet. 

Again, comments are welcome.

Thanks,

Albert

Loa Andersson wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> I've compiled the request for slots on the wg meeting agenda
> I've received so far. As well volunteered some people to discuss
> issues that the wg need to work with.
> 
> The agenda is still strictly tentative and it will be changing
> over the coming week, and I will not necessary tell the list
> every we make changes.
> 
> Please check if your request has been taken care of, or if you
> not sent in a request yet it is time to do so.
> 
> The agenda is available at:
> 
> http://www.tla-group.com/~mpls/mpls-agenda-sd.htm
> 
> /Loa
> 
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