From 383stocknews@touchheaven.com Mon Oct 02 22:29:56 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUa2e-0006yF-PL; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:29:56 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUa2e-0000bI-Mf; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:29:56 -0400 Received: from eu85-86-36-54.clientes.euskaltel.es ([85.86.36.54] helo=jazpiroz.h012984.net) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUa2a-0007p6-Mu; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:29:56 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: bb8eae9af85e4fcfe76f325e38493bf4 BOUNDARY_OUTLOOK From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Oct 03 10:38:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUlJU-0004q0-Eh; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:32:04 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUlJS-0004pZ-AW for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:32:02 -0400 Received: from maile.telecomitalia.it ([156.54.233.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUlJJ-0008Im-Qt for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:32:02 -0400 Received: from ptpxch007ba020.idc.cww.telecomitalia.it ([156.54.240.50]) by maile.telecomitalia.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:31:51 +0200 Received: from PTPEVS108BA020.idc.cww.telecomitalia.it ([156.54.241.227]) by ptpxch007ba020.idc.cww.telecomitalia.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:31:51 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2757 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Priority: normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] Question regarding LDP session setup Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:31:53 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200609282239.k8SMdvuI024737@rtp-core-2.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] Question regarding LDP session setup thread-index: AcbjTxFDn1Bkc9W7T7Gn6PCBb1BJ+ADqWNsQ From: "Fantolino Luca" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2006 14:31:51.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA850500:01C6E6F8] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi All! I understand that all agrees that one session has to be established and that the passive LSR should reject a secondo attempt to open the TCP connection. Whether the active LSR could open the second TCP connection is instead not agreed. I suggest to clarify the issue in the new version of RFC 3036 (draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04.txt). Sections 2.5.2 and 3.5.2.1 seems to be the rigth place. bye Luca and Alberto -------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments are addressed solely to the persons = above and may contain confidential information. If you have received the = message in error, be informed that any use of the content hereof is = prohibited. Please return it immediately to the sender and delete the = message. Should you have any questions, please contact us by replying to = webmaster@telecomitalia.it. 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And, once identified, we must move quickly to disburse funds in order that our goodThe young striker endured a frustrating game and his patience finally snapped as he

17. It was the Portuguese' 17th World Cup match in their history and the first to finish
I want to thank the members of the American Legion for your service to our country,England are well served in defence, but more competition is needed for goalkeeper
clinical finish against Serbia & Montenegro after a mouth-watering team move of 24Hargreaves could be the man to finally release Gerrard from the shackles he is forced

crown after beating France in a penalty shoot-out.World Cup folklore.

that may get sceptics from the media and supporters onside quickly.after Rooney's red card have come to define another England exit.
Cameroon stunned holders Argentina in the opening game of 1990, Senegal did theThe one-time icon of England will not be around for the 2010 World Cup, and his

Eriksson was forced to change things round six minutes into the second half withoff on four separate occasions, a figure with which they lead all other nations at the 2006 finals.
It needs freshening up, especially as McClaren has been a familiar face to England'sUnlikely. So why so few games to set the pulse racing?

decide if the Chelsea man should make way for Owen Hargreaves, who was anembroiled in a corruption scandal similar to 1982 when they last won the World Cup.

If the world's richest club in the transfer market, Chelsea, was looking for the player
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McClaren's appointment of a new captain is his first big decision.This World Cup in Germany has witnessed plenty of promising players, but there has

around deliriously whenever his team found the back of the net - 14 times in all,

stretching reality to breaking point.The United States and the international community are helping the Government of

Felipe Scolari getting the better of Eriksson.Purchase your tickets online, it's easy and convenient.

Materazzi levelled with a header from an Andrea Pirlo corner.seemingly went England's World Cup hopes.
A deflected John Terry shot just looped over the bar after some brilliant work from anon two dedicated 10 gigabit per second (Gbps) wavelengths.

If Chris Kirkland can stay fit for three games he might get his chance with Norwich'sBut none of these players was even among the 10 shortlisted for the Golden Ball

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X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Question regarding MAC Withdrawal in H-VPLS Dual-homed MTU-s Thread-Index: AcbhQ2C0b+kGgpGHTcK7Xfpa7iFlsAGaS8sw From: "Ali Sajassi \(sajassi\)" To: "Asaf Henig" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2006 12:03:37.0274 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FA281A0:01C6E7AD] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=10514; t=1159963421; x=1160827421; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=sjdkim8002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=sajassi@cisco.com; z=From:=22Ali=20Sajassi=20\(sajassi\)=22=20 |Subject:RE=3A=20Question=20regarding=20MAC=20Withdrawal=20in=20H-VPLS=20Dual-hom ed=20MTU-s=20; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3Dcq4r1x3EvsGu3tQE49WIjwjGpQM=3D; b=tb8leZscZP4Gi2B2rrogBGLT8KxfG3alCUlFVSMPhTPFWZ9TDfp+vG44ibwWA+CitmzxBFUu euPR9n+gbHl1FcfDTSQjWvwVUfTbrOwM+JJ6nhIyPnSdciIpiG+kKxV2; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-8.cisco.com; header.DKIM-Signature=sajassi@cisco.com; dkim=fail ( 57 extraneous bytes; RSA-96 err: "Ali Sajassi \(sajassi\)" ; cisco.com/sjdkim8002 fail; ); header.From=sajassi@cisco.com; dkim=neutral X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 515708a075ffdf0a79d1c83b601e2afd Cc: Subject: [mpls] RE: Question regarding MAC Withdrawal in H-VPLS Dual-homed MTU-s X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2070545859==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2070545859== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6E7AD.1F43DB7A" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E7AD.1F43DB7A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Option (B) is the preferred one as I describe in a separate email pasted below. =20 -Ali =20 ------------ snip --------------------------------- =20 MAC flushing in vpls-ldp draft is modeled after IEEE flushing mechanism (TCN). In IEEE, when a bridge switches from failed link to the backup link, then the bridge sends out a TCN message over the newly activated link and the upstream bridge upon receiving this message, will flush all its MAC addresses (except the one received over this link) and propagates the TCN message out of its other ports (for that MSTI).=20 =20 In case of H-VPLS with u-PE dual-homing, then the following actions should be taken: =20 1) the u-PE shall initiate the MAC Withdraw message only after putting the backup link into active state and the u-PE shall send the MW message over this activated backup link. This means the u-PE shall not trigger MW upon failure detection but only upon backup link activation 2) the u-PE shall flush its own MAC address for that VPLS instance upon activation of the backup link (and NOT upon detection of the failure of its primary PW/link) 3) the n-PE shall process this message as currently described in the spec. =20 The reasons for sending MW over the activated backup link at the u-PE are: =20 1) to avoid unnecessary flooding when the u-PE is only single homed 2) to avoid unnecessary flooding when the backup link is not activate yet =20 In the next rev. of vpls-ldp draft, the above clarification should be reflected. =20 -Ali ________________________________ From: Asaf Henig [mailto:ahenig@mrv.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:42 AM To: l2vpn@ietf.org; mpls@lists.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org Subject: Question regarding MAC Withdrawal in H-VPLS Dual-homed MTU-s=20 =09 =09 It is yet unclear from draft http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-09.txt who is responsible to send the MAC Withdrawal message to the secondary PE-rs when fail-over occures in an H-VPLS dual homed MTU-s scenario. =09 It is known that when a primary VC fails in a dual-homing scenario the PE-rs connected to the secondary VC should relearn the MAC addresses behind the MTU-s. In order to make this process faster this "secondary" PE-rs should flush the relevant previously learned MAC addresses. For that to happen we have two options: =20 A) The primary PE-rs would send the MAC Withdrawal message to the secondary PE-rs (and all other PE-s) the minute it recognizes that its VC has failed. B) The MTU-s itself would send the MAC Withdrawal to the secondary PE-rs the minute it switches from primary to secondary VC. The secondary PE-rs would be responsible to propegate this message to all other PEs in the VPLS domain (this option is recommended by draft-pdutta-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-mac-opt-00.txt). =09 Which option is preferred ? =09 =09 Thanks for any help. =20 Asaf Henig MRV communications =09 =09 =09 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E7AD.1F43DB7A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Question regarding MAC Withdrawal in H-VPLS = Dual-homed MTU-s
Option (B) is the preferred one as I = describe in a=20 separate email pasted below.
 
-Ali
 
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MAC flushing in vpls-ldp draft is = modeled after=20 IEEE flushing mechanism (TCN). In IEEE, when a bridge switches from = failed link=20 to the backup link, then the bridge sends out a TCN message over = the newly=20 activated link and the upstream bridge upon receiving this message, will = flush=20 all its MAC addresses (except the one received over this link) and = propagates=20 the TCN message out of its other ports (for that MSTI). =
 
In case of H-VPLS with u-PE dual-homing, then = the=20 following actions should be taken:
 
1)  the u-PE shall initiate the MAC = Withdraw=20 message only after putting the backup link into active state and = the u-PE=20 shall send the MW message over this activated = backup link. This=20 means the u-PE shall not trigger MW upon failure detection but only upon = backup=20 link activation
2) the u-PE shall flush its own MAC address = for that=20 VPLS instance upon activation of the backup link (and NOT upon = detection of=20 the failure of its primary PW/link)
3) the n-PE shall process this message as = currently=20 described in the spec.
 
The reasons for sending MW over the activated = backup link at the u-PE are:
 
1) to avoid unnecessary flooding when the = u-PE is only=20 single homed
2) to avoid unnecessary flooding when the = backup link=20 is not activate yet
 
In the next rev. of vpls-ldp draft, the above = clarification should be reflected.
 
-Ali
From: Asaf Henig = [mailto:ahenig@mrv.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:42 AM
To:=20 l2vpn@ietf.org; mpls@lists.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org
Subject: = Question=20 regarding MAC Withdrawal in H-VPLS Dual-homed MTU-s =

It is yet unclear from draft http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-09.txt= =20 who is responsible to send the MAC Withdrawal message to the secondary = PE-rs=20 when fail-over occures in an H-VPLS dual homed MTU-s = scenario.

It is=20 known that when a primary VC fails in a dual-homing scenario the PE-rs = connected to the secondary VC should relearn the MAC addresses behind = the=20 MTU-s. In order to make this process faster this "secondary" PE-rs = should=20 flush the relevant previously learned MAC addresses. For that to = happen we=20 have two options:
  
A) The primary PE-rs would send = the MAC=20 Withdrawal message to the secondary PE-rs (and all other PE-s) the = minute it=20 recognizes that its VC has failed.
B) The MTU-s itself would send = the MAC=20 Withdrawal to the secondary PE-rs the minute it switches from primary = to=20 secondary VC. The secondary PE-rs would be responsible to propegate = this=20 message to all other PEs in the VPLS domain (this option is = recommended by=20 draft-pdutta-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-mac-opt-00.txt).

Which option is=20 preferred  ?


Thanks for any help.  
Asaf=20 Henig
MRV=20 communications



------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E7AD.1F43DB7A-- --===============2070545859== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============2070545859==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Oct 04 14:02:35 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVB0O-0003o4-9W; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:58:04 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GV82b-0000lA-6k for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:48:09 -0400 Received: from smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg ([203.120.90.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GV82a-0005LL-Aq for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:48:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 17631 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 14:48:01 -0000 Received: from adsl89.dyn105.pacific.net.sg (HELO SGSINN00117) (210.24.105.89) by smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 14:47:58 -0000 From: "Max Ng" To: , "Asaf Henig" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:46:29 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10d3e4e3c32e363f129e380e644649be X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:58:02 -0400 Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org, mpls@ietf.org, mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] RE: Question regarding MAC Withdrawal in H-VPLS Dual-homed MTU-s X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org All, I do agree that the current draft should address this to avoid ambiguity especially for implementation between vendors. On another note, the mechanism used to do dual-homing is also not specified and is currently left to individual vendor implementation. Again, what I see is vendor equipment interop issue. I'm not sure if it is the jurisdiction of IETF to state implementation mechanism or leaving it to vendor innovation, but it does certainly lead to interop issues. With the draft being progressed to the current state of "proposed standard", is it too late to address both issue? Perhaps someone familiar with the process can comment. Regards, Max -----Original Message----- From: anilr@accton.com [mailto:anilr@accton.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:51 PM To: Asaf Henig Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: Re: Question regarding MAC Withdrawal in H-VPLS Dual-homed MTU-s I would think (A), since MAC Withdraw is used by a member of the VPLS mesh to notify its neighbors of a change in topology -- except that the MW should be sent only after switching over to the standby VC. The PE-rs should be just as aware of the switchover as the MTU-s. The larger ambiguity here (in my opinion) is the lack of specification around just how H-VPLS dual homing works, i.e, how the failure is detected and what the time limits are for that detection and subsequent recovery. That part is currently implementation-dependent. Regards, Anil "Asaf Henig" , , m> cc: Subject: Question regarding MAC Withdrawal in H-VPLS Dual-homed MTU-s 09/26/2006 04:11 AM It is yet unclear from draft http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-09.txt who is responsible to send the MAC Withdrawal message to the secondary PE-rs when fail-over occures in an H-VPLS dual homed MTU-s scenario. It is known that when a primary VC fails in a dual-homing scenario the PE-rs connected to the secondary VC should relearn the MAC addresses behind the MTU-s. In order to make this process faster this "secondary" PE-rs should flush the relevant previously learned MAC addresses. For that to happen we have two options: A) The primary PE-rs would send the MAC Withdrawal message to the secondary PE-rs (and all other PE-s) the minute it recognizes that its VC has failed. B) The MTU-s itself would send the MAC Withdrawal to the secondary PE-rs the minute it switches from primary to secondary VC. The secondary PE-rs would be responsible to propegate this message to all other PEs in the VPLS domain (this option is recommended by draft-pdutta-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-mac-opt-00.txt). Which option is preferred ? Thanks for any help. 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A few overall comments followed by comments in order of the document. Thanks,=20 Joan OVERALL COMMENTs --------------- *) MIB compiles cleanly with smiLint and smicngPRO. *) First overall comment has to do with the organization of the MIB module itself; a better way to represent the objects would be to have separate MIB modules for General, One2One and Facility. =20 Even the scalar objects seem dependent on which method is being used so seems that separate MIB modules would help to clarify this. Please comment. *) I tried to be very specific about this during the commenting, but basically would ask that the names used be consistent with the MPLS-TE-STD-MIB. For example, Tunnel, Index, Instance, Ingress, Egress and other words are spelled out when used in an object's name, but in this MIB Module these are abbreviated. Just looking for some consistency with the naming conventions used in the 2 MIBs since they are tightly coupled. COMMENTS ON DOC (as they appear in the doc) --------------------------------------------- *) Abstract: In particular, it describes managed objects for Multiprotocol Label Switching fast rerouting. suggestion to specify the 2 fast reroute methods: ...managed objects used to support two fast reroute (FRR) methods for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) based traffic engineering (TE). The two methods are one-to-one backup method and facility backup method. *) Date on the page headers do not match=20 date of document. *) TOC References is off by a space. Also, the subsections 1.1, 4.1, 4.2 (maybe others) are missing from the TOC. *) 1. Introduction Would add RFC3811 also, i.e. used in conjunction with [RFC3811], [RFC3812] and [RFC3813]. *) 2. Terminology Should state the title of the referenced docs here. So=20 This document uses terminology defined in the "Multiprotocol Label Switching Architecture" [RFC3031] document=20 and the "Fast Reroute Extensions to RSVP-TE for LSP Tunnels" [RFC4090] document.=20 *) 4. Brief Description of the MIB Module Objects. s/Objects./Objects Would retitle this section: Overview of the MIB Module I am confused by the term "bypass" in this section. Are you referring to the one-to-one backup method described in [RFC4090]? Could the terms one-to-one and facility be used consistently? "LSRs do not implement both facility and bypass methods at the same time, the Agent Compliance section in this module defined herein is divided into portions, one for each method allowing any LSR to implement only the objects applicable to the method they have implemneted." Either correct the above statement: s/Agent Compliance/Conformance s/implemneted/implemented or reword: "LSRs do not implement both one-to-one backup method and=20 facility backup method=20 at the same time, thus, the Conformance section specifies conformance based on the two fast reroute methods. This allows a developer to implement only the objects applicable to the fast reroute method supported." Additionally, RFC4090 states: Two methods are defined here. The one-to-one backup method creates detour LSPs for each protected LSP at each potential point of local repair. The facility backup method creates a bypass tunnel to protect a potential failure point; by taking advantage of MPLS label stacking, this bypass tunnel can protect a set of LSPs that have similar backup constraints. Both methods can be used to protect links and nodes during network failure. The described behavior and extensions to RSVP allow nodes to implement either method or both and to interoperate in a mixed network. However, the draft states: ...Given that common practice has shown that LSRs do not implement both facility and bypass methods at the same time...is divided into portions, one for each method In this regard the draft differs somewhat significantly from RFC4090. Could this be clarified? In other words, could the draft say something like, "although [RFC4090] specifies that a node is able to support both fast reroute methods simultaneously, common practice has shown...." I would like to understand what is meant by common practice? Is it that vendors don't support both methods at the same time, or is it that operators don't mix these 2 methods in a network? *) 4.1 mplsFrrConstTable Please use the entire name Constraints, as in mplsFrrConstraintsTable. *) 4.2 mplsFrrTunARHopTable Please use mplsFrrTunnelARHopTable to match with mplsTunnelARHopTable. First sentence: s/mplsTunnelARHop table/mplsTunnelARHopTable *) 4.3 mplsFrrOne2OnePlrTable "The mplsFrrOne2OnePlrTable is an optional table that contains=20 lists of PLRs that initiated detour LSPs to protect tunnel=20 instances. As such, it is only required for LSRs implementing=20 the detour backup method. In these cases, the detour LSPs=20 are reflected in the mplsFrrDetourTable." I don't understand the above. Is this table mandatory when the one-to-one backup method is used? If so, shouldn't that be stated. The definition from RFC 4090 states: "PLR: Point of Local Repair. The head-end LSR of a backup tunnel or a detour LSP." So the phrase "contains lists of PLRs" is confusing. Also, the phrase "detour backup method" is confusing, are you referring to the one-to-one backup method? *) 4.4 mplsFrrDetourTable Could this be renamed to mplsFrrOne2OneDetourTable? Is this table mandatory when the one-to-one backup method is used? If so, could that be stated? "This table is optional and is only required in case =20 mplsFrrOne2OnePlrTable is supported." If you state that the table is mandatory for the backup method, then think the above statement is not necessary. *) 4.5 mplsFrrFacRouteDBTable The mplsFrrDBTable s/mplsFrrDBTable/mplsFrrFacRouteDBTable Could this be renamed to mplsFrrFacilty Could you state that this table is mandatory when the facility backup method is used? *) 5. Handling IPv6 Tunnels draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-addressing-03 does not appear as a reference, please add to Normative References. *) 6 (MIB MODULE) *) LAST-UPDATED and REVISION is incorrect *) DESCRIPTION: ...This MIB module is part of RFC 4327; see the RFC itself for full legal notices. needs to be changed to something like =20 This version of this MIB module is part of RFC xxxx; See the RFC itself for full legal notices. -- RFC EDITOR: please replace xxxx with actual number =20 -- and remove this note. *) Please change to yyy ::=3D { mplsStdMIB yyy } -- RFC-editor please fill in -- yyy with value assigned by IANA,=20 -- see section 18.1 for details *) Please change mplsFrrNotif to mplsFrrNotifications *) Doesn't seem necessary to have=20 mplsFrrScalars OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { mplsFrrMIB 1 } mplsFrrObjects OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { mplsFrrMIB 2 } Since Scalars are objects, right? So maybe just use mplsFrrObjects mplsFrrObjects OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { mplsFrrMIB 1 } mplsFrrConformance OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { mplsFrrMIB 2 } *) Also, please move mplsFrrConformance under mplsFrrObjects. *) As stated above, I believe this MIB should be organized in 3 separate MIB Modules. This would help to clarify what actually needs to be supported when using One2One or=20 Facility. The following scalars seem to be dependent on the type of backup method: mplsFrrDetourIncoming mplsFrrDetourOutgoing mplsFrrDetourOriginating mplsFrrConfIfs mplsFrrActProtectedIfs mplsFrrConfProtectionTuns mplsFrrActProtectionTuns mplsFrrActProtectedLSPs mplsFrrNotifsEnabled mplsFrrNotifMaxRate So why are these under General Objects? *) mplsFrrDetourIncoming Should be put with the oneToOne objects. Should this be a Counter32 or Gauge32?=20 Please rename to mplsFrrIncomingDetourLSPs *) mplsFrrDetourOutgoing Should be put with the oneToOne objects. Should this be a Counter32 or Gauge32? please rename to mplsFrrOutgoingDetourLSPs *) mplsFrrSwitchover Should this be a Gauge32? *) Could mplsFrrConfIfs be renamed to: mplsFrrConfiguredInterfaces Also, this should apply only to=20 facilityBackup, so could be a Gauge32 or Counter32? *) mplsFrrActProtectedIfs What does the Act stand for? Is this Active or Actual? Could this be renamed to=20 mplsFrrActiveInterfaces/mplsFrrActualInterfaces *) mplsFrrConfProtectionsTuns Could this be renamed=20 mplsFrrConfiguredBypassTunnels ? Also, is this a Gauge32? *) mplsFrrActProtectionTuns Could this be renamed to mplsFrrActiveBypassTunnels? Also, is this a Gauge32? *) mplsFrrActProtectedLSPs could this be renamed to: mplsFrrActiveProtectedLSPs? Also, is this a Gauge32? *) mplsFrrProtectionMethod Scalar should probably be moved to being the first scalar. Also, I think an unknown(1) should be added. The reason is that if a device has been rebooted, due to a change from one fast reroute method to another, and if something were misconfigured, then it might be that the fast reroute method would be "unknown" until a correction was made. Obviously,=20 "unknown" would be read-only and not settable. Would suggest: unknown(1), onetooneBackup(2), facilityBackup(3) *) mplsFrrNotifsEnabled. Why is this object needed? *) mplsFrrNotifMaxRate Are there other objects which indicate if events are being thrown away due to this throttling? (Would that be useful?) Last sentence s/notified/generated/ *) mplsFrrConstTable Please rename to mplsFrrConstraintsTable *) mplsFrrConstEntry OBJECT-TYPE Please add a REFERENCE clause and add the reference from the DESCRIPTION clause to the REFERENCE clause.=20 s/speciifed/specified "contains at a tunnel ingress." Should be contains a tunnel ingress. *) RFC 3209 Does not appear in the References. (This reference is mentioned several times) *) mplsFrrConstIfIndex please rename to mplsFrrConstIfIndexOrZero *) mplsFrrConstTunnelInstance s/identication/identification *) mplsFrrConstInclAnyAffinity OBJECT-TYPE Please rename mplsFrrConstrainsIncludeAnyAffinity *) mplsFrrConstInclAllAffinity OBJECT-TYPE Please rename to mplsFrrConstraintsIncludeAllAffinity *) mplsFrrConstExcl objects please rename to mplsFrrConstrainsExclude *) mplsFrrConstBandwidth s/reserved for detour/reserved for a detour *) MplsFrrTunARHop=20 please use Tunnel=20 Also, other object names use Protection or Protected so please use entire word here *) mplsFrrOne2OnePlrTable DESCRIPTION is a little bit awkward "...that initiated the detour LSPs that traverse this node." maybe the last "that" is not needed? *) mplsFrrOne2OnePlrEntry states: "...An entry in=20 this table is only created by an SNMP agent as instructed=20 by an MPLS signaling protocol." But there are read-create objects, so want to make sure that these read-create objects are allowed to be changed after a row has been created? Please spell out Tunnel, Ingress, Egress, Index and Instance in these names. This is to match the MPLS-TE-STD-MIB. *) mplsFrrOne2OnePlrRunIngrLSRId s/identity/identify *) mplsFrrOne2OnePlrId=20 Please add a REFERENCE clause *) mplsFrrOne2OnePlrAvoidNAddrType mplsFrrOne2OnePlrAvoidNAddr What does the N stand for? *) Please add REFERENCE to mplsFrrOne2OnePlrAvoidNAddr *) mplsFrrDetourTable Please use Tunnel, Index, Instance *) mplsFrrDetourActive Please add to the DESCRIPTION what true(1) means. *) mplsFrrDetourMerging name suggestion: mplsFrrDetourMergedStatus SYNTAX INTEGER { none(1), protectedTunnel(2), detour(3) } Could the above labels be changed to: notMerged(1), mergedWithProtectedTunnel(2) mergedWithDetour(3) Also the description talks of setting this, but it is a read-only. *) mplsFrrFacRouteDBTable Please expand Fac to Facility, Tun to Tunnel, Idx to Index, Inst to Instance, Ingr to Ingress and Egr to Egress. Also, Prot is used but other places in this MIB spell out Protection, or Protected. Would also take out the word Route in these object names, so mplsFrrFacRouteDBTable becomes mplsFrrFacilityDBTable *) mplsFrrFacRouteDBTable DESCRIPTION s/mplsFrrDBTable/mplsFrrFacRouteDBTable=20 (The above occurs in other objects of this table, so please check the DESCRIPTIONs.) The protecting tunnel is indicated by the second two=20 indexes (mplsTunnelIndex and mplsTunnelInstance) and=20 represents a valid mplsTunnelEntry. Note that the tunnel=20 The above sentence is confusing. Are you saying that the second two indexes in this table have the same values as mplsTunnelIndex and mplsTunnelInstance? *) mplsFrrFacRouteProtIfIdx s/applies/apply *) mplsFrrFacRouteProtTunIdx Please add a REFERENCE clause. In general, if the DESCRIPTION specifies a reference, then there should probably be a REFERENCE clause. *) Many of the DESCRIPTIONs state: "...on the specified interface as specified in the mplsFrrFacRouteIfProtIdx." Could this be reworded as: "...on the interface specified by mplsFrrFacRouteIfProtIdx." *) mplsFrrFacDBNumProtTunOnIf Please supply the specified interface's name. *) mplsFrrRacRouteDBNumProtLspOnIf Please supply the specified interface's name. *) mplsFrrFacRouteDBProtTunStatus Which protected tunnel is denoted here? *) Same question for mplsFrrFacRouteDBProtTunResvBw *) mplsFrrFacRouteDBProtTunResvBw Please specify which object (or objects) from the MPLS-TE-STD-MIB are being repeated. *) mplsFrrFacProtected The name doesn't say much about this notification. Could we think of a more descriptive name, e.g. (suggestion only) mplsFrrFacilityInitialBkupTunnelInvoked? s/network loading/network load DESCRIPTION is a little confusing. Could you just say that the notification needs to be sent prior to forwarding data ? Last paragraph: "Note this notification only applicable..." change to: Note this notification is only applicable *) mplsFrrFacUnProtected The name doesn't say much about this notification. Could we think of a more descriptive name, e.g. (suggestion only) mplsFrrFacilityFinalTunnelRestored? s/network loading/network load Last paragraph: "Note this notification only applicable..." change to: Note this notification is only applicable Conformance -------------- *) Full conformance DESCRIPTION of the one-to-one or facilty methods state: "...and is optional for those which do not." Why is it optional? Is it possible to support these objects in any meaningful way? =20 *) read-only Compliance *) Comment is misplaced since it appears before a scalar object -- mplsFrrConstTable *) Missing from Read-only conformance: mplsFrrNotifsEnabled mplsFrrNotifMaxRate mplsFrrConstSetupPrio mplsFrrconstHoldingPrio mplsFrrConstInclAnyAffinity mplsFrrConstInclAllAffinity mplsFrrConstExclAnyAffinity mplsFrrConstBandwidth mplsFrrOne2OnePlrSenderAddrType mplsFrrOne2OnePlrSenderAddr *) 7. Security Considerations configuration and/or performanc statistics.=20 Administrators not wishing to reveal this information should consider these objects sensitive/vulnerable and take=20 precautions so they are not revealed. s/performanc/performance *) 9. Acknowledgments Please begin this section with: This document is a product of the MPLS Working Group. *) REFERENCES are not in order of RFC number *) 10.1 Normative References [RFC4090] Pan, P., Swallow, G., Atlas, A., "Fast Reroute=20 Extensions to RSVP-TE for LSP Tunnels", RFC4090, May 2005. and A. Atlas,=20 s/RFC4090/RFC 4090 *) [RFC3813] Srinivasan, C., Viswanathan, A. and Nadeau, T.,=20 "MPLS Label Switch Router Management Information Base ",=20 RFC 3813, June 2004 and T. Nadeau,=20 "Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switching Router (LSR)=20 Management Information Base" *) [RFC3291] Daniele, M., Haberman, B., Routhier, S., and J. Schoenwaelder, "TextualConventions for Internet Network Addresses", RFC 3291, May 2002. s/TextualConventions/Textual Conventions *) 10.2 Informative References *) RFC3031 should probably be Normative, it is currently listed as Informative -- end-- ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C6E82C.218DBD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom and Riza,
 
Here is the review.  A few overall comments followed by
comments in order of the document.
 
Thanks,
  Joan
 

OVERALL COMMENTs
---------------

*) MIB compiles cleanly with smiLint and
smicngPRO.
 

*) First overall comment has to do with the organization
of = the MIB=20 module itself; a better way
to represent the objects would be to have = separate MIB
modules for General, One2One and Facility. 
 
Even the scalar objects seem dependent on
which method is being = used so=20 seems that separate
MIB modules would help to clarify this.
Please = comment.
 
*) I tried to be very specific about this during the
commenting, = but=20 basically would ask that the names used
be consistent with the=20 MPLS-TE-STD-MIB.  For example,
Tunnel, Index, Instance, Ingress, = Egress=20 and other words
are spelled out when used in an object's name, but = in
this=20 MIB Module these are abbreviated.  Just looking for
some = consistency=20 with the naming conventions used in the
2 MIBs since they are tightly = coupled.
 
COMMENTS ON DOC (as they appear in the=20 doc)
---------------------------------------------
*)=20 Abstract:
    In particular, it describes managed = objects for=20 Multiprotocol Label
    Switching fast = rerouting.
 
suggestion to specify the 2 fast reroute methods:
 
...managed objects used to support two fast reroute (FRR) methods=20 for
Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) based traffic engineering=20 (TE).
The two methods are one-to-one backup method and facility=20 backup
method.
 
*) Date on the page headers do not match
date of = document.
 

*) TOC
References is off by a space.
 
Also, the subsections 1.1, 4.1, 4.2
(maybe others) are missing = from the=20 TOC.
 
*) 1. Introduction
 
Would add RFC3811 also, i.e.
used in conjunction with [RFC3811], = [RFC3812] and
[RFC3813].
 
*) 2. Terminology
 
Should state the title of the referenced docs
here.
 
So
This document uses terminology defined in = the
"Multiprotocol=20 Label Switching Architecture" [RFC3031]
document
and  the = "Fast=20 Reroute Extensions to RSVP-TE for
LSP Tunnels" [RFC4090] document. =
 
*) 4. Brief Description of the MIB Module=20 Objects.
s/Objects./Objects
Would retitle this = section:
Overview of the=20 MIB Module
 
I am confused by the term "bypass" in this section.
Are you = referring to=20 the one-to-one backup method
described in [RFC4090]?  Could the = terms=20 one-to-one
and facility be used consistently?
 

"LSRs do not implement both facility and bypass methods
at = the same=20 time, the Agent Compliance section in this
module defined herein is = divided=20 into portions, one for
each method allowing any LSR to implement only = the=20 objects
applicable to the method they have implemneted."
 
Either correct the above statement:
s/Agent=20 Compliance/Conformance
s/implemneted/implemented
 

or reword:
 
"LSRs do not implement both one-to-one backup method and =
facility=20 backup method
at the same time, thus, the Conformance section=20 specifies
conformance based on the two fast reroute methods.  = This=20 allows
a developer to implement only the objects applicable to
the = fast=20 reroute method supported."
 
Additionally, RFC4090 states:
   Two methods are = defined=20 here.  The one-to-one backup method creates
   detour = LSPs for=20 each protected LSP at each potential point of local
  =20 repair.  The facility backup method creates a bypass tunnel=20 to
   protect a potential failure point; by taking = advantage of=20 MPLS label
   stacking, this bypass tunnel can protect a = set of=20 LSPs that have
   similar backup constraints.  Both = methods=20 can be used to protect
   links and nodes during network=20 failure.  The described behavior and
   extensions to = RSVP=20 allow nodes to implement either method or both and
   to=20 interoperate in a mixed network.
 
However, the draft states:
    ...Given that = common=20 practice has shown that
    LSRs do not implement both = facility and bypass methods
    at the same time...is = divided=20 into portions, one for each method
 
In this regard the draft differs somewhat significantly=20 from
RFC4090.  Could this be clarified?  In other words, = could=20 the
draft say something like, "although [RFC4090] specifies that = a
node is=20 able to support both fast reroute methods simultaneously,
common = practice has=20 shown...."
 

I would like to understand what is meant by common = practice?
Is it=20 that vendors don't support both methods at the same time, or
is it = that=20 operators don't mix these 2 methods in a network?
 
*) 4.1 mplsFrrConstTable
Please use the entire name Constraints, = as=20 in
mplsFrrConstraintsTable.
 
*) 4.2 mplsFrrTunARHopTable
Please use mplsFrrTunnelARHopTable = to=20 match
with mplsTunnelARHopTable.
 
First sentence:
s/mplsTunnelARHop = table/mplsTunnelARHopTable
 
*) 4.3  mplsFrrOne2OnePlrTable
 

"The mplsFrrOne2OnePlrTable is an optional table that contains=20
    lists of PLRs that initiated detour LSPs to = protect=20 tunnel
    instances. As such, it is only required = for LSRs=20 implementing
    the detour backup method. In these = cases,=20 the detour LSPs
    are reflected in the=20 mplsFrrDetourTable."
 
I don't understand the above. Is this table mandatory when=20 the
one-to-one backup method is used?  If so, shouldn't that be=20 stated.
 
The definition from RFC 4090 states:
 
"PLR: Point of Local Repair.  The head-end LSR of a backup=20 tunnel
or a detour LSP."
 
So the phrase "contains lists of PLRs" is confusing.
 
Also, the phrase "detour backup method" is confusing, are = you
referring=20 to the one-to-one backup method?
 
*) 4.4 mplsFrrDetourTable
 
Could this be renamed to mplsFrrOne2OneDetourTable?
 

Is this table mandatory when the one-to-one backup method=20 is
used?  If so, could that be stated?
 
"This table is optional and is only required in=20 case    
mplsFrrOne2OnePlrTable is = supported."
If you=20 state that the table is mandatory for the backup method,
then think = the above=20 statement is not necessary.
 
 
 
*) 4.5 mplsFrrFacRouteDBTable
The mplsFrrDBTable
 
s/mplsFrrDBTable/mplsFrrFacRouteDBTable
 
Could this be renamed to mplsFrrFacilty
 
Could you state that this table is mandatory when the
facility = backup=20 method is used?
 
*) 5. Handling IPv6 Tunnels
 

draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-addressing-03 does not appear
as a = reference,=20 please add to Normative References.
 

*) 6  (MIB MODULE)
 
*) LAST-UPDATED and REVISION is incorrect
 
*) DESCRIPTION:
...This MIB module is part of RFC 4327;
see = the RFC=20 itself for full legal notices.
 
needs to be changed to something=20 like
           = ;   =20
           &nb= sp;   =20 This version of this MIB module is part of RFC=20 xxxx;
          &nbs= p;    =20 See the RFC itself for full legal notices.
 
-- RFC EDITOR: please replace xxxx with actual=20 number           =
-- and=20 remove this note.
 

*) Please change to yyy
::=3D { mplsStdMIB yyy } -- = RFC-editor please=20 fill=20 in
           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; =20 -- yyy with value assigned by IANA,=20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p; =20 -- see section 18.1 for details
 

*) Please change
mplsFrrNotif to mplsFrrNotifications
 
*) Doesn't seem necessary to have
   =20 mplsFrrScalars       OBJECT IDENTIFIER = ::=3D {=20 mplsFrrMIB 1 }
   =20 mplsFrrObjects       OBJECT IDENTIFIER = ::=3D {=20 mplsFrrMIB 2 }
 
Since Scalars are objects, right?
So maybe just use=20 mplsFrrObjects
mplsFrrObjects       = OBJECT=20 IDENTIFIER ::=3D { mplsFrrMIB 1 }
mplsFrrConformance   = OBJECT=20 IDENTIFIER ::=3D { mplsFrrMIB 2 }
 
*) Also, please move mplsFrrConformance under mplsFrrObjects.
 

*) As stated above, I believe this MIB should be organized = in
3=20 separate MIB Modules.  This would help to clarify what
actually = needs to=20 be supported when using One2One or
Facility.
 
The following scalars seem to be dependent on the
type of backup = method:
mplsFrrDetourIncoming
mplsFrrDetourOutgoing
mplsFrrDetou= rOriginating
mplsFrrConfIfs
mplsFrrActProtectedIfs
mplsFrrConfPr= otectionTuns
mplsFrrActProtectionTuns
mplsFrrActProtectedLSPs
mp= lsFrrNotifsEnabled
mplsFrrNotifMaxRate
 
So why are these under General Objects?
 
 
 
*) mplsFrrDetourIncoming
Should be put with the oneToOne=20 objects.
Should this be a Counter32 or Gauge32?
Please rename to=20 mplsFrrIncomingDetourLSPs
 
*) mplsFrrDetourOutgoing
Should be put with the oneToOne=20 objects.
Should this be a Counter32 or Gauge32?
please rename to=20 mplsFrrOutgoingDetourLSPs
 

*) mplsFrrSwitchover
Should this be a Gauge32?
 
*) Could mplsFrrConfIfs be
renamed=20 to:
mplsFrrConfiguredInterfaces
Also, this should apply only to=20
facilityBackup, so could be
a Gauge32 or Counter32?
 

*) mplsFrrActProtectedIfs
What does the Act stand for?
Is = this=20 Active or Actual?
Could this be renamed to=20
mplsFrrActiveInterfaces/mplsFrrActualInterfaces
 
*) mplsFrrConfProtectionsTuns
Could this be renamed=20
mplsFrrConfiguredBypassTunnels ?
Also, is this a Gauge32?
 

*) mplsFrrActProtectionTuns
Could this be renamed=20 to
mplsFrrActiveBypassTunnels?
Also, is this a Gauge32?
 

*) mplsFrrActProtectedLSPs
could this be renamed=20 to:
mplsFrrActiveProtectedLSPs?
Also, is this a Gauge32?
 
*) mplsFrrProtectionMethod Scalar
should probably be moved to = being the=20 first
scalar.  Also, I think an unknown(1) should = be
added.  The=20 reason is that if a device has been
rebooted, due to a change from = one fast=20 reroute
method to another, and if something were = misconfigured,
then it=20 might be that the fast reroute method would be
"unknown" until a = correction=20 was made.  Obviously,
"unknown" would be read-only and not=20 settable.
 
Would=20 suggest:
unknown(1),
onetooneBackup(2),
facilityBackup(3)
 

*) mplsFrrNotifsEnabled.
Why is this object needed?
 
*) mplsFrrNotifMaxRate
Are there other objects which = indicate
if=20 events are being thrown away due to this
throttling?  (Would = that be=20 useful?)
 
Last sentence
s/notified/generated/
 

*) mplsFrrConstTable
Please rename to = mplsFrrConstraintsTable
 
*)     mplsFrrConstEntry OBJECT-TYPE
Please = add a=20 REFERENCE clause and add the
reference from the DESCRIPTION clause to = the
REFERENCE clause.
 
s/speciifed/specified
 
"contains at a tunnel ingress."
Should be contains a tunnel=20 ingress.
 

*) RFC 3209 Does not appear in the References.
   = (This=20 reference is mentioned several times)
 
*) mplsFrrConstIfIndex
please rename to = mplsFrrConstIfIndexOrZero
 
*) mplsFrrConstTunnelInstance
 
s/identication/identification
 
*)     mplsFrrConstInclAnyAffinity=20 OBJECT-TYPE
Please rename mplsFrrConstrainsIncludeAnyAffinity
 

*)    mplsFrrConstInclAllAffinity = OBJECT-TYPE
 
Please rename to mplsFrrConstraintsIncludeAllAffinity
 

*) mplsFrrConstExcl objects
please rename to=20 mplsFrrConstrainsExclude
 
 
 
*) mplsFrrConstBandwidth
s/reserved for detour/reserved for a=20 detour
 

*) MplsFrrTunARHop
please use Tunnel
Also, other object = names=20 use Protection or Protected
so please use entire word here
 
*) mplsFrrOne2OnePlrTable
 
DESCRIPTION is a little bit awkward
"...that initiated the = detour LSPs=20 that traverse this node."
maybe the last "that" is not needed?
 
*)=20 mplsFrrOne2OnePlrEntry
states:
      =    =20 "...An entry in =
          this=20 table is only created by an SNMP agent as instructed=20
          by an MPLS = signaling=20 protocol."
 
But there are read-create objects, so want to make sure
that = these=20 read-create objects are allowed to be
changed after a row has been=20 created?
 
Please spell out Tunnel, Ingress, Egress, Index and Instance in=20 these
names.  This is to match the MPLS-TE-STD-MIB.
 

*) mplsFrrOne2OnePlrRunIngrLSRId
 
s/identity/identify
 
*) mplsFrrOne2OnePlrId
Please add a REFERENCE clause
 

*) = mplsFrrOne2OnePlrAvoidNAddrType
mplsFrrOne2OnePlrAvoidNAddr
 
What does the N stand for?
 
*) Please add REFERENCE to mplsFrrOne2OnePlrAvoidNAddr
 
*) mplsFrrDetourTable
 
Please use Tunnel, Index, Instance
 
*) mplsFrrDetourActive
Please add to the DESCRIPTION what = true(1)=20 means.
 
*) mplsFrrDetourMerging
name suggestion: = mplsFrrDetourMergedStatus
 
      =20 SYNTAX        INTEGER {=20 none(1),
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;       =20 protectedTunnel(2),
        &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;         =20 detour(3)
          =             &= nbsp;     =20 }
 
Could the above labels be
changed to:
 
notMerged(1),
mergedWithProtectedTunnel(2)
mergedWithDetour(3)=
 
Also the description talks of setting this, but
it is a = read-only.
 
 
 

*) mplsFrrFacRouteDBTable
 
Please expand Fac to Facility, Tun to Tunnel,
Idx to Index, Inst = to=20 Instance, Ingr to Ingress
and Egr to Egress.  Also, Prot is used = but=20 other
places in this MIB spell out Protection, or Protected.
 

Would also take out the word Route in these
object names, so = mplsFrrFacRouteDBTable becomes
mplsFrrFacilityDBTable
 
*)=20 mplsFrrFacRouteDBTable
DESCRIPTION
s/mplsFrrDBTable/mplsFrrFacRoute= DBTable=20
(The above occurs in other objects of this
table, so please check = the=20 DESCRIPTIONs.)
 

          &nbs= p; =20 The protecting tunnel is indicated by the second two=20
           &nb= sp;=20 indexes (mplsTunnelIndex and mplsTunnelInstance) and=20
           &nb= sp;=20 represents a valid mplsTunnelEntry. Note that the tunnel
 
The above sentence is confusing.  Are you saying that
the = second=20 two indexes in this table have the same values
as mplsTunnelIndex and = mplsTunnelInstance?
 
*) mplsFrrFacRouteProtIfIdx
s/applies/apply
 

*) mplsFrrFacRouteProtTunIdx
Please add a REFERENCE = clause.  In=20 general, if the
DESCRIPTION specifies a reference, then there=20 should
probably be a REFERENCE clause.
 

*) Many of the DESCRIPTIONs state:
"...on the specified = interface as=20 specified in the
mplsFrrFacRouteIfProtIdx."
Could this be reworded = as:
"...on the interface specified by = mplsFrrFacRouteIfProtIdx."
 

*) mplsFrrFacDBNumProtTunOnIf
Please supply the specified=20 interface's name.
 

*) mplsFrrRacRouteDBNumProtLspOnIf
Please supply the = specified=20 interface's name.
 

*) mplsFrrFacRouteDBProtTunStatus
Which protected tunnel is = denoted=20 here?
 
*) Same question for mplsFrrFacRouteDBProtTunResvBw
 
*) mplsFrrFacRouteDBProtTunResvBw
Please specify which object = (or=20 objects) from
the MPLS-TE-STD-MIB are being repeated.
 

*) mplsFrrFacProtected
The name doesn't say much about this=20 notification.
Could we think of a more descriptive name, = e.g.
(suggestion=20 only) mplsFrrFacilityInitialBkupTunnelInvoked?
 
s/network loading/network load
 
DESCRIPTION is a little confusing.
Could you just say that the=20 notification needs to
be sent prior to forwarding data ?
 
Last paragraph:
"Note this notification only = applicable..."
change=20 to:
Note this notification is only applicable
 
 
 
*) mplsFrrFacUnProtected
The name doesn't say much about this=20 notification.
Could we think of a more descriptive name, = e.g.
(suggestion=20 only) mplsFrrFacilityFinalTunnelRestored?
 
s/network loading/network load
 

Last paragraph:
"Note this notification only=20 applicable..."
change to:
Note this notification is only = applicable
 

Conformance
--------------
 
*) Full conformance
DESCRIPTION of the one-to-one or facilty=20 methods
state:
 
"...and is optional for those which do not."
 
Why is it optional?  Is it possible to support = these
objects in any=20 meaningful way? 
 
*) read-only Compliance
 
*) Comment is misplaced since it appears before
a scalar=20 object
       -- = mplsFrrConstTable
 
*)  Missing from Read-only=20 conformance:
mplsFrrNotifsEnabled
mplsFrrNotifMaxRate
 
mplsFrrConstSetupPrio
mplsFrrconstHoldingPrio
mplsFrrConstIncl= AnyAffinity
mplsFrrConstInclAllAffinity
mplsFrrConstExclAnyAffinity=
mplsFrrConstBandwidth
 
mplsFrrOne2OnePlrSenderAddrType
mplsFrrOne2OnePlrSenderAddr
=
 
*) 7. Security = Considerations
       =20 configuration and/or performanc statistics.=20
        Administrators not = wishing to=20 reveal this information = should
       =20 consider these objects sensitive/vulnerable and take=20
        precautions so they are = not=20 revealed.
 
s/performanc/performance
 
*) 9. Acknowledgments
 
Please begin this section with:
This document is a product of = the MPLS=20 Working Group.
 
*) REFERENCES are not in order of RFC number
 

*) 10.1 Normative References
 

    [RFC4090] Pan, P., Swallow, G., Atlas, A., = "Fast=20 Reroute=20
           &nb= sp; =20 Extensions to RSVP-TE for LSP Tunnels",=20 RFC4090,
          &= nbsp;  =20 May 2005.
 
and A. Atlas,
 
s/RFC4090/RFC 4090
 
*)    [RFC3813] Srinivasan, C., Viswanathan, A. and = Nadeau,=20 T., =
           &nb= sp;=20 "MPLS Label Switch Router Management Information Base ",=20
           &nb= sp; =20 RFC 3813, June 2004
 
and T. Nadeau,
 
"Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switching Router (LSR)=20
Management Information Base"
 

*)    [RFC3291]  Daniele, M., Haberman, B., = Routhier, S., and=20 J.
           &= nbsp; =20 Schoenwaelder, "TextualConventions for Internet=20 Network
          &n= bsp;  =20 Addresses", RFC 3291, May 2002.
 
s/TextualConventions/Textual Conventions
 
*) 10.2 Informative References
 
*) RFC3031 should probably be Normative, it is currently
listed = as=20 Informative
 
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From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Fri Oct 06 05:18:53 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVllO-0001z7-6C; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:13:02 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVllM-0001xV-Cn for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:13:00 -0400 Received: from mgw2.noc.ntt.com ([210.160.15.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVllK-00058i-PP for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:13:00 -0400 Received: from mop2.noc.ntt.com by mgw2.noc.ntt.com (NTT-Com MailSV) with ESMTP id k969AH1a021200; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:12:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from mip3.noc.ntt.com (mvi1.noc.ntt.com) by mop2.noc.ntt.com (NTT-Com MailSV) with ESMTP id <0J6P004UXIW7X1@ntt.com>; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:12:08 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:12:07 +0900 From: "Yuji KAMITE" Subject: RE: [mpls] draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt In-reply-to: To: "'LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN'" , mpls@ietf.org Message-id: <0J6P00079IW7NL@ntt.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: Acbh/Hqlp6t3u/GTSEWExddnH+tZnwEnIoHQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi JL, > The below draft defines procedures for P2MP RSVP-TE Fast Reroute with P2MP Bypass LSPs. > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt May I ask a few questions? - The two words bypass and backup, in some part, might be confusing. Are they completely different in the document? I found a term "underlying bypass tunnnel, this appears to be P2MP backup. However, "backup" P2MP LSP seems to be used for upstrem assignment, and I think it is not for forwarding layer (from LP to MP). (For example, Section 4.1 says that to signal the backup P2MP LSP Path messages are sent using directed signaling. I ask for clarification.) - The draft says backup P2MP LSP has to signal the same upstream inner label, but I am not sure the actual timing when upstream assignment happens. If it requires more procedures than before, it's hard for opertors. Suppose there is one protected P2MP tunnel LSP (a) and one corresponding backup P2MP LSP (b), and they are already set up. Now you configure a news P2MP tunnel LSP (c), and wish it to be protected by (b) by the facility FRR as well. Here we assume that (c) is traversing the same MP, branches, etc. as (a). In this case, is an inner label of (c) automatically signalled with an upstream assignment scheme? IMHO more details should be specified to distinguish two or more different protected tunnels. I think this kind of topic does not exist in the today's unicast facility FRR, so it needs consideration. Regards, -Yuji ________________________________ From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ft.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 3:17 PM To: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Hi all, The below draft defines procedures for P2MP RSVP-TE Fast Reroute with P2MP Bypass LSPs. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Your comments are welcomed. 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This process appears to be stable and we are thinking of taking to the IESG quite soon, so review it now or risk having to live with it. The changes in this revision are largely to clarify the use of the Preliminary Investigation phase. === Section 1.2 Change 2119 boiler plate to Although this document is not a protocol definition, the key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119]. This usage is chosen to make the steps and procedures completely clear. === Section 2.3 final paragraph ADD It should be noted that the first stage in the change process is an optional Preliminary Investigation (see Section 4.2.1). This stage is explicitly included to allow external organizations to discuss requirements and proposed uses of the (G)MPLS technologies without the need to first develop Internet-Drafts, and builds on existing liaison processes where they exist. === Section 2.4 ADD o Preliminary Investigation An optional preliminary phase that may be used to exchange views on a proposed requirement and usage of the (G)MPLS technologies without going to the effort of writing an Internet-Draft. This phase may be particularly useful to SDOs that have already invested heavily in documenting a problem statement, or may be used by anyone who wishes to hold discussions on the use of (G)MPLS. === Section 3 ADD para 2 Whenever there is reason to believe that a particular problem may be solved by use of or extensions to the (G)MPLS protocols, a preliminary investigation phase may be used to discuss the requirements with the IETF. This may lead to an understanding that the problem is already solved, is outside the scope of the IETF, or requires more investigation possibly leading to changes to the (G)MPLS protocols. === Section 4.2.1 para 2 ADD In fact, although this step is described as lightweight because no Internet-Draft is required and because the nature of the step is discursive, it may be the case that this step involves considerable technical discussions and may, in fact, be an extensive, substantive exchange of opinions. === Section 4.2.1 para 3 s/may/MAY/ === Section 4.2.1 final para ADD A possible outcome of this preliminary invsetigation is that the requirements and problem are understood, but agreed to be out of scope for the IETF. Alternatively it may be that the problem can be solved with existing protocols. === Section 5.2 bullet 1 ADD (see Section 4.2.1) === Section 5.2 bullet 2 ADD (see Section 4.2.1) === Section 8 para 4 s/may/MAY/ === ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-04.txt >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Change Process for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and > Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Protocols and Procedures > Author(s) : L. Andersson, A. Farrel > Filename : draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-04.txt > Pages : 22 > Date : 2006-10-4 > > The issues surrounding the extensibility of IETF protocols have been > widely debated. 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1C3A5ADADF; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:21:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1453DADADE for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:21:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:21:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Message-ID: Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Subject: [mpls] ambiguity in the LDP RFC (RFC3036) ? X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org I am interop-testing equipment from three vendors and I have discovered a problem I would like your opinion on. I have equipment from three vendors. I'm trying to test if they can properly talk all "needed" protocols together, ie ISIS, LDP, BGP etc. I'll call the vendors A, B and C. First I started by enabling ISIS, LDP and BGP between vendor A and C. This worked without any noticable problems. Routers from vendor B and C was already doing this so that also worked well. My problem arose when I tried to get ISIS+LDP up between vendor A and B. ISIS worked properly but LDP wouldn't come up. Router from vendor B would say "Illegal Hello packet" and drop the packet, and upon sniffing I noticed that A router was sending LDP hellos to 224.0.0.2 with its loopback address as SRC-IP, instead of its nearest interface IP. Upon reading RFC3036 I cannot say that either vendor is doing something wrong, as the source IP of the hello packet isn't specified or mentioned in the text. My "feeling" is that the intention is that a packet going to "all local routers" mcast group should have a local IP address as sending IP, but I can't find anywhere in the RFC that justifies dropping the hello packet on the floor if it has another SRC-IP. It validates the "be strict in what you send, be liberal in what you receive" principle, but there might be security considerations behind the decision to do so. Vendor A has an interface command that specifies that all LDP communication on the interface should be with the interface IP address and this makes it work (hello packet is sourced from interface IP), but also makes the LDP TCP session be originated from the interface IP, which I think is undesireable. My feeling is that both vendors are doing something they shouldn't be doing here, vendor A should send packets with interface IP as SRC, and vendor B shouldn't drop the packets. Opinions? -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Oct 10 12:50:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXKkP-0007FW-W1; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:46:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXKkO-0007FR-5I for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:46:28 -0400 Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com ([12.129.211.51]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXKkL-0005nR-Ql for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:46:28 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J6X00CUHIG05N@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s73629 (s73629.china.huawei.com [192.35.165.177]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0J6X00MMKIFOX2@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:46:06 -0500 From: Steve Yao Subject: RE: [mpls] ambiguity in the LDP RFC (RFC3036) ? In-reply-to: To: 'Mikael Abrahamsson' , mpls@lists.ietf.org Message-id: <005101c6ec8b$95fd42d0$b1a523c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcbscC14ejC4GOn7SsmwoXlhcR5QBQAGyyWA X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Could it be the case that the loopback on A wasn't announced so it is not reachable from B? Steve -----Original Message----- From: Mikael Abrahamsson [mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:22 AM To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] ambiguity in the LDP RFC (RFC3036) ? I am interop-testing equipment from three vendors and I have discovered a problem I would like your opinion on. I have equipment from three vendors. I'm trying to test if they can properly talk all "needed" protocols together, ie ISIS, LDP, BGP etc. I'll call the vendors A, B and C. First I started by enabling ISIS, LDP and BGP between vendor A and C. This worked without any noticable problems. Routers from vendor B and C was already doing this so that also worked well. My problem arose when I tried to get ISIS+LDP up between vendor A and B. ISIS worked properly but LDP wouldn't come up. Router from vendor B would say "Illegal Hello packet" and drop the packet, and upon sniffing I noticed that A router was sending LDP hellos to 224.0.0.2 with its loopback address as SRC-IP, instead of its nearest interface IP. Upon reading RFC3036 I cannot say that either vendor is doing something wrong, as the source IP of the hello packet isn't specified or mentioned in the text. My "feeling" is that the intention is that a packet going to "all local routers" mcast group should have a local IP address as sending IP, but I can't find anywhere in the RFC that justifies dropping the hello packet on the floor if it has another SRC-IP. It validates the "be strict in what you send, be liberal in what you receive" principle, but there might be security considerations behind the decision to do so. Vendor A has an interface command that specifies that all LDP communication on the interface should be with the interface IP address and this makes it work (hello packet is sourced from interface IP), but also makes the LDP TCP session be originated from the interface IP, which I think is undesireable. My feeling is that both vendors are doing something they shouldn't be doing here, vendor A should send packets with interface IP as SRC, and vendor B shouldn't drop the packets. Opinions? -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Oct 10 12:57:25 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXKsW-00017k-KG; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:54:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXKsV-00017R-2b for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:54:51 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:0:1:208:c7ff:fe91:b35a] (helo=uplift.swm.pp.se) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXKsU-0007dX-LN for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:54:51 -0400 Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id B3E69ADAE6; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:54:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FBFADADF for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:54:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:54:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: RE: [mpls] ambiguity in the LDP RFC (RFC3036) ? In-Reply-To: <005101c6ec8b$95fd42d0$b1a523c0@china.huawei.com> Message-ID: References: <005101c6ec8b$95fd42d0$b1a523c0@china.huawei.com> Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Steve Yao wrote: > Could it be the case that the loopback on A wasn't announced so it is not > reachable from B? The loopbacks were reachable via ISIS. Setting up a targetted TDP session works (loopback-loopback), and setting vendor A:s implementation to do all TDP for that interface via the interface IP address also works, so there are two workarounds for the problems. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Oct 10 13:56:05 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXLlL-0004R9-1F; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:51:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXLlJ-0004Qx-1N for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:51:29 -0400 Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXLlI-0002Se-II for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:51:29 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:51:21 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:51:32 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Thread-Index: Acbh/Hqlp6t3u/GTSEWExddnH+tZnwEnIoHQAX32f7A= From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" To: "zzx-Huji KAMITE y.kamite@nttt.com" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2006 17:51:21.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1E7EF00:01C6EC94] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 225414c974e0d6437992164e91287a51 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Yuji Thanks for these comments Please see inline,=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Yuji KAMITE [mailto:y.kamite@ntt.com]=20 > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 6 octobre 2006 11:12 > =C0 : LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; mpls@ietf.org > Objet : RE: [mpls] draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >=20 > Hi JL, >=20 > > The below draft defines procedures for P2MP RSVP-TE=20 > Fast Reroute with P2MP Bypass LSPs.=20 > >=09 > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te > -bypass-00 > >.txt > -bypass-00.txt> =20 >=20 > May I ask a few questions? >=20 > - The two words bypass and backup, in some part, might be confusing. > Are they completely different in the document? Yes they are. "bypass" refers to the bypass tunnel and "backup" refers = to the LSP used to backup on of the many protected LSPs. This is actually inline with terminology in RFC4090: " Bypass Tunnel: An LSP that is used to protect a set of LSPs passing over a common facility. Backup Tunnel: The LSP that is used to backup up one of the many LSPs in many-to-one backup. " > I found a term "underlying bypass tunnnel, this appears to=20 > be P2MP backup. Actually no, bypass tunnel =3D/=3D backup LSP > However, "backup" P2MP LSP seems to be used for upstrem assignment, > and I think it is not for forwarding layer (from LP to MP). The term is actually used both for control and data plane (backup = label...) > (For example, Section 4.1 says that to signal the backup=20 > P2MP LSP Path > messages are sent using directed signaling. I ask for=20 > clarification.) During failure traffic of a protected P2MP LSP is rerouted onto a backup = P2MP LSP itself nested within a P2MP Bypass tunnel. In the data plane = there are two labels: the inner label is the label of the backup P2MP = LSP (aka backup label) and the outer label is the label of the P2MP = Bypass LSP. On MP the backup P2MP LSP is merged with the protected P2MP LSP, that is = the traffic on the backup P2MP LSP is rerouted onto the protected P2MP = LSP. This will be clarified in next revision. >=20 >=20 > - The draft says backup P2MP LSP has to signal the same=20 > upstream inner label, > but I am not sure the actual timing when upstream=20 > assignment happens. As indicated in the draft this is done before the failure, basically at = the time the protected LSP is setup. > If it requires more procedures than before, it's hard for opertors. This is a new feature, that requires additional processing (there is = always a minimum price to pay), but this does not require any additional = provisionning (no extra configuration required).=20 Think about the bandwidth savings wrt to the P2P bypass approach, = particularly for protection of P routers attaching a large number of = PEs... >=20 > Suppose there is one protected P2MP tunnel LSP (a) and > one corresponding backup P2MP LSP (b), and they are already set up. > Now you configure a news P2MP tunnel LSP (c), and wish > it to be protected by (b) by the facility FRR as well.=20 > Here we assume that (c) is traversing the same MP,=20 > branches, etc. as (a). > In this case, is an inner label of (c) automatically signalled > with an upstream assignment scheme? Yes it is > IMHO more details should be specified to > distinguish two or more different protected tunnels. > I think this kind of topic does not exist in the today's=20 > unicast facility FRR, so > it needs consideration. Actually backup LSP signaling before failure, with facility backup, is = not a new scheme. This is required with P2P FRR, when using = per-interface label space. See section 6.4.1 of RFC4090: "When MPs use per-interface label spaces, the PLR must send Path messages (for each protected LSP using a bypass tunnel) via that bypass tunnel prior to the failure in order to discover the appropriate MP label. The signaling procedures for this are in Section 6.4.3 below." What we do here is really similar, the only difference is the upstream = label assignment. Best Regards, JL >=20 > =20 > Regards, >=20 > -Yuji >=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN=20 > [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ft.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 3:17 PM > To: mpls@ietf.org > Subject: [mpls] draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > =09 > =09 >=20 > Hi all,=20 >=20 > The below draft defines procedures for P2MP RSVP-TE=20 > Fast Reroute with P2MP Bypass LSPs.=20 > =09 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te- > bypass-00.txt > -bypass-00.txt> =20 >=20 > Your comments are welcomed.=20 >=20 > Regards,=20 >=20 > JL=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From kbfvd@bahiasoft.com.br Wed Oct 11 23:22:23 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXr9L-00007J-Oe; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:22:23 -0400 Received: from c-24-4-218-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([24.4.218.221]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXr9I-0005Zi-72; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:22:23 -0400 Received: from 200.154.117.76 (HELO srv3-sao.sao.terraempresas.com.br) by lists.ietf.org with esmtp (VN99Q789 149P) id WYI0LT-NMT2H4-XY for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:22:19 +0480 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:22:19 +0480 From: "Lucile Willard" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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So can please OID for bytecount or some parameter which will give us performance of an LSP. I want to do the same for Link. Link performance parameters are also needed. Any help is appreciated. Thanx in advance regards sarma --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-344402391-1160743644=:32012 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all,

   I would like to draw plotting details for a given LSP based on its bytecount VS Time, time scale is 5 min, that is for every 5 mins, bytecount is taken from network. So can please OID for bytecount or some parameter which will give us performance of an LSP.

  I want to do the same for Link. Link performance parameters are also needed.

  Any help is appreciated.

  Thanx in advance

regards
sarma

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(helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZOsO-0004gQ-H8 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:35:16 -0400 Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com ([47.129.242.56]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZOfg-0007Dv-VU for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:22:11 -0400 Received: from zinnhxm0.corp.nortel.com (zinnhxm0.corp.nortel.com [47.153.200.77]) by zcars04e.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id k9G9EwW22647; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:14:58 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:21:33 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004401c6f0f1$b46154e0$38096f0a@china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MPLS] LDP GR query Thread-Index: Acbw82eM35Ocsu0KTcCTOwf0DP0D9AAD6k/A From: "Yu Yi" To: , X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73948e4d005645343fd08e813e5615ef Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0737664544==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0737664544== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6F104.7A698E8E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6F104.7A698E8E Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C6F104.7A698E8E" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C6F104.7A698E8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For your case it is fine. RTB should be in normal case(normal session = down)(no any GR flow) and delete all LSPs which are established on the = port. After session up again RTA will re-send the same label mapping = which are sent before session down. But as you know during this period = the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a complete GR case.=20 GR is applicable only if the forwarding plane is fine. =20 ________________________________ From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]=20 Sent: 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C216=C8=D5 3:07 PM To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR query =20 Hi=20 I have query related to LDP Graceful Restart.=20 RFC 3478 say When an LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went down, and the LSR knows that the neighbor is capable of preserving its MPLS forwarding state across the restart (as was indicated by the FT Session TLV in the Initialization message received from the neighbor), the LSR retains the label-FEC bindings received via that session (rather than discarding the bindings), but marks them as "stale". =20 RFC 3478 say that a router will implement GR flow when it detect that = its LDP session with a neighbor went down. But there are many cases which can cause the LDP session went down ,and = it=A1=AFs neighbor don=A1=AFt restart actually. =20 Consider this scenario:=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Suppose that the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken down, then = RTA will detects that its LDP sessFrom mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Oct 16 05:39:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZOsT-0004oa-Ji; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:35:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZOsO-0004gQ-H8 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:35:16 -0400 Received: from zcars04e.nortel.com ([47.129.242.56]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZOfg-0007Dv-VU for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:22:11 -0400 Received: from zinnhxm0.corp.nortel.com (zinnhxm0.corp.nortel.com [47.153.200.77]) by zcars04e.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id k9G9EwW22647; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:14:58 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:21:33 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004401c6f0f1$b46154e0$38096f0a@china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MPLS] LDP GR query Thread-Index: Acbw82eM35Ocsu0KTcCTOwf0DP0D9AAD6k/A From: "Yu Yi" To: , X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73948e4d005645343fd08e813e5615ef Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0737664544==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0737664544== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6F104.7A698E8E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6F104.7A698E8E Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C6F104.7A698E8E" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C6F104.7A698E8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For your case it is fine. RTB should be in normal case(normal session = down)(no any GR flow) and delete all LSPs which are established on the = port. After session up again RTA will re-send the same label mapping = which are sent before session down. But as you know during this period = the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a complete GR case.=20 GR is applicable only if the forwarding plane is fine. =20 ________________________________ From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]=20 Sent: 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C216=C8=D5 3:07 PM To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR query =20 Hi=20 I have query related to LDP Graceful Restart.=20 RFC 3478 say When an LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went down, and the LSR knows that the neighbor is capable of preserving its MPLS forwarding state across the restart (as was indicated by the FT Session TLV in the Initialization message received from the neighbor), the LSR retains the label-FEC bindings received via that session (rather than discarding the bindings), but marks them as "stale". =20 RFC 3478 say that a router will implement GR flow when it detect that = its LDP session with a neighbor went down. But there are many cases which can cause the LDP session went down ,and = it=A1=AFs neighbor don=A1=AFt restart actually. =20 Consider this scenario:=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Suppose that the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken down, then = RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went down, then RTA will = implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is = re-established after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is resumed. = Because the FT TLV in the initialization message of RTB don=A1=AFt = indicate that RTB whether reboot or not, so RTA is still implement GR = flow. Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB isn=A1=AFt in GR flow. But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow , at the same time RTB = isn=A1=AFt in GR flow? I think it will fall into confusion. =20 Another example that the LDP session will be down is that the LSR=A1=AFs = neighbor can=A1=AFt send out it=A1=AFs packet, including hello packet or = keepalive packet, if the control plane of it=A1=AFs neighbor is very = busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this = case the LSR will conclude that it=A1=AFs neighbor restart and the LSR = will implement GR flow. =20 ------_=_NextPart_002_01C6F104.7A698E8E Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =BF=D5=B0=D7
  For your case it is fine. RTB should be in = normal=20 case(normal session down)(no any GR flow) and delete all LSPs = which=20 are established on the port.  After session up again RTA will = re-send=20 the same label mapping which are sent before session down. But as you = know=20 during this period the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a = complete GR=20 case.
  GR is applicable only if the forwarding = plane is=20 fine.
 
From: = little_star@huawei.com=20 [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]
Sent: = 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C216=C8=D5 3:07=20 PM
To: mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR=20 query

 

Hi=20

I=20 have query related to LDP Graceful Restart.

RFC=20 3478 say

=BF=D5=B0=D7

  For your case it is fine. RTB should be in = normal=20 case(normal session down)(no any GR flow) and delete all LSPs = which=20 are established on the port.  After session up again RTA will = re-send=20 the same label mapping which are sent before session down. But as you = know=20 during this period the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a = complete GR=20 case.
  GR is applicable only if the forwarding = plane is=20 fine.
 
From: = little_star@huawei.com=20 [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]
Sent: = 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C216=C8=D5 3:07=20 PM
To: mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR=20 query

 

Hi=20

I=20 have query related to LDP Graceful Restart.

RFC=20 3478 say

When an=20 LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went=20 down,

   and the LSR knows that = the=20 neighbor is capable of preserving its MPLS

   forwarding state across = the=20 restart (as was indicated by the FT

   Session TLV in the = Initialization=20 message received from the

   neighbor), the LSR = retains the=20 label-FEC bindings received via that

   session (rather than = discarding=20 the bindings), but marks them as

  =20 "stale".

 

  RFC 3478 say that a=20 router will implement GR flow when it detect that its LDP session with a = neighbor went down.

 But there are many cases which = can cause=20 the LDP session went down ,and it=A1=AFs neighbor don=A1=AFt restart=20 actually.

 

Consider=20 this scenario: =

When an=20 LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went=20 down,

   and the LSR knows that = the=20 neighbor is capable of preserving its MPLS

   forwarding state across = the=20 restart (as was indicated by the FT

   Session TLV in the = Initialization=20 message received from the

   neighbor), the LSR = retains the=20 label-FEC bindings received via that

   session (rather than = discarding=20 the bindings), but marks them as

  =20 "stale".

 

  RFC 3478 say that a=20 router will implement GR flow when it detect that its LDP session with a = neighbor went down.

 But there are many cases which = can cause=20 the LDP session went down ,and it=A1=AFs neighbor don=A1=AFt restart=20 actually.

 

Consider=20 this scenario: =

 

 

 

 

Suppose that the link between RTB and = LAN-SWITCH is=20 broken down, then RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went = down, then=20 RTA will implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is=20 re-established after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH  is resumed. Because the FT TLV = in the=20 initialization message of RTB don=A1=AFt indicate that RTB whether = reboot or not, so=20 RTA is still implement GR flow.

Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB = isn=A1=AFt in GR=20 flow.

But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow = , at the=20 same time RTB isn=A1=AFt in GR flow? I think it will fall into=20 confusion.

 

Another = example that the=20 LDP=20 session will be down = is=20 that the LSR=A1=AFs neighbor can=A1=AFt send out it=A1=AFs packet, = including hello packet or=20 keepalive packet, if the control plane of it=A1=AFs neighbor is very = busy or occurs=20 some error ,then the = LDP=20 session will be down. In this case the LSR will conclude that it=A1=AFs = neighbor=20 restart and the LSR will implement GR flow 

 

 

 

Suppose that the link between RTB and = LAN-SWITCH is=20 broken down, then RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went = down, then=20 RTA will implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is=20 re-established after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH  is resumed. Because the FT TLV = in the=20 initialization message of RTB don=A1=AFt indicate that RTB whether = reboot or not, so=20 RTA is still implement GR flow.

Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB = isn=A1=AFt in GR=20 flow.

But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow = , at the=20 same time RTB isn=A1=AFt in GR flow? I think it will fall into=20 confusion.

 

Another = example that the=20 LDP=20 session will be down = is=20 that the LSR=A1=AFs neighbor can=A1=AFt send out it=A1=AFs packet, = including hello packet or=20 keepalive packet, if the control plane of it=A1=AFs neighbor is very = busy or occurs=20 some error ,then the = LDP=20 session will be down. In this case the LSR will conclude that it=A1=AFs = neighbor=20 restart and the LSR will implement GR flow.

 

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For urgent enquiries please contact Jennifer Emms CSC (0141 957 2299 ). _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Oct 16 08:41:02 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZRhz-0002R7-Tw; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:36:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZRhx-0002QL-MS for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:36:41 -0400 Received: from web8801.mail.in.yahoo.com ([203.84.221.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZRhs-0006Cv-8c for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:36:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 51329 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2006 12:36:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.in; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P3mosTxhpvv+nN8dyHH90YbWnxeK9M4Y9A+ze0JJBOYlYqXpulDpu0FTXCO13M9i/QJsrQhUh5sfkKhsxwl5t+oyJAS1MBwrAdJ9pXeXEAeAm1RKVZXoPjNmss6XMAhqC+GegqD5s4aWFtwSw6vlFtk3eapwPmlOQBws2/qghg4= ; Message-ID: <20061016123612.51327.qmail@web8801.mail.in.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.144.106.188] by web8801.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:06:12 IST Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:06:12 +0530 (IST) From: Ramesh Huliyar Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query To: Yu Yi , little_star@huawei.com, mpls@lists.ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 96d3a783a4707f1ab458eb15058bb2d7 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0947508844==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org --===============0947508844== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1579834273-1161002172=:51868" --0-1579834273-1161002172=:51868 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Hello, I feel that RTB LDP session will go down with RTA immidietly when the link goes down. After the re-establishment of the LDP session, RTB will be sending FT session TLV with Recovery Time 0. This will cause the RTA to remove the stale FEC-to-label mapping. But until this happens, traffic will be black holed. To overcome this, other methods of identifying link failures in RTA have to be employed, such as BFD, this will help RTA to use alternate FEC-to-Label mapping, because link failure does not start LDP GR but it will bring down LDP session in case of link level LDP. Regards Ramesh Huliyar ----- Original Message ---- From: Yu Yi To: little_star@huawei.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org Sent: Monday, 16 October, 2006 2:51:33 PM Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query $B6uGr(B BODY { MARGIN-TOP:25px;FONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:25px;COLOR:#000000;} P.msoNormal { MARGIN-TOP:0px;FONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:0px;COLOR:#ffffcc;} LI.msoNormal { MARGIN-TOP:0px;FONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:0px;COLOR:#ffffcc;} For your case it is fine. RTB should be in normal case(normal session down)(no any GR flow) and delete all LSPs which are established on the port. After session up again RTA will re-send the same label mapping which are sent before session down. But as you know during this period the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a complete GR case. GR is applicable only if the forwarding plane is fine. From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com] Sent: 2006$BG/(B10$B7n(B16$BF|(B 3:07 PM To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR query Hi I have query related to LDP Graceful Restart. RFC 3478 say When an LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went down, and the LSR knows that the neighbor is capable of preserving its MPLS forwarding state across the restart (as was indicated by the FT Session TLV in the Initialization message received from the neighbor), the LSR retains the label-FEC bindings received via that session (rather than discarding the bindings), but marks them as "stale". RFC 3478 say that a router will implement GR flow when it detect that its LDP session with a neighbor went down. But there are many cases which can cause the LDP session went down ,and it$B!G(Bs neighbor don$B!G(Bt restart actually. Consider this scenario: Suppose that the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken down, then RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went down, then RTA will implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is re-established after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is resumed. Because the FT TLV in the initialization message of RTB don$B!G(Bt indicate that RTB whether reboot or not, so RTA is still implement GR flow. Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow. But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow , at the same time RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow? I think it will fall into confusion. Another example that the LDP session will be down is that the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor can$B!G(Bt send out it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this case the LSR will conclude that it$B!G(Bs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR flow. _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ --0-1579834273-1161002172=:51868 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0-1851764108-1161002172=:51868" --0-1851764108-1161002172=:51868 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-2022-jp
Hello,

I feel that RTB LDP session will go down with RTA immidietly when the link goes down. After the re-establishment of the LDP session, RTB will be sending FT session TLV with Recovery Time 0. This will cause the RTA to remove the stale FEC-to-label mapping. But until this happens, traffic will be black holed.

To overcome this, other methods of identifying link failures in RTA have to be employed, such as BFD, this will help RTA to use alternate FEC-to-Label mapping, because link failure does not start LDP GR but it will bring down LDP session in case of link level LDP.

Regards
Ramesh Huliyar

----- Original Message ----
From: Yu Yi <yuyi@nortel.com>
To: little_star@huawei.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org
Sent: Monday, 16 October, 2006 2:51:33 PM
Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query

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  For your case it is fine. RTB should be in normal case(normal session down)(no any GR flow) and delete all LSPs which are established on the port.  After session up again RTA will re-send the same label mapping which are sent before session down. But as you know during this period the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a complete GR case.
  GR is applicable only if the forwarding plane is fine.
 
From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]
Sent: 2006$BG/(B10$B7n(B16$BF|(B 3:07 PM
To: mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR query

 

Hi

I have query related to LDP Graceful Restart.

RFC 3478 say

When an LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went down,

   and the LSR knows that the neighbor is capable of preserving its MPLS

   forwarding state across the restart (as was indicated by the FT

   Session TLV in the Initialization message received from the

   neighbor), the LSR retains the label-FEC bindings received via that

   session (rather than discarding the bindings), but marks them as

   "stale".

 

  RFC 3478 say that a router will implement GR flow when it detect that its LDP session with a neighbor went down.

 But there are many cases which can cause the LDP session went down ,and it$B!G(Bs neighbor don$B!G(Bt restart actually.

 

Consider this scenario:

 

 

 

 

Suppose that the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken down, then RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went down, then RTA will implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is re-established after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH  is resumed. Because the FT TLV in the initialization message of RTB don$B!G(Bt indicate that RTB whether reboot or not, so RTA is still implement GR flow.

Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow.

But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow , at the same time RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow? I think it will fall into confusion.

 

Another example that the LDP session will be down is that the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor can$B!G(Bt send out it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this case the LSR will conclude that it$B!G(Bs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR flow.

 

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In > other WG, I see the IANA-controlled private.enterprises branch of the ISO naming > tree used. Either would do but I would like to see an explanation. I have no religion on this topic. If the consensus is IANA, that's fine by me. I just want a convenient way to dis-ambiguate! ...george ======================================================================== George Swallow Cisco Systems (978) 936-1398 1414 Massachusetts Avenue Boxborough, MA 01719 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Oct 16 20:55:06 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZdAf-00084O-Qi; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:51:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZdAd-00083B-Sv for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:51:03 -0400 Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.54]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZdAY-0006Dk-Lo for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:51:03 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J79004E29VWY7@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:09:33 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J790002Q9VV51@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:09:32 +0800 (CST) Received: from w22283a ([10.111.9.56]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0J79001A699K78@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:56:09 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:50:05 +0800 From: little_star@huawei.com Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query To: Ramesh Huliyar , Yu Yi , mpls@lists.ietf.org Message-id: <001e01c6f186$30976e20$38096f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20061016123612.51327.qmail@web8801.mail.in.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d49da3f50144c227c0d2fac65d3953e6 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: little_star@huawei.com List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0265024076==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0265024076== Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UtF/0a9vhBe48VL4UtPBiw)"; type="multipart/alternative" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_UtF/0a9vhBe48VL4UtPBiw) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_E4mmkSIJcPVTr5b/MEc0qw)" --Boundary_(ID_E4mmkSIJcPVTr5b/MEc0qw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT $B6uGr(BHello, Then how about another scenario? Another example that the LDP session will be down when the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor can$B!G(Bt send out it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this case this two LSR will conclude that it$B!G(Bs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR flow. I mean the LDP protocol has some problem.In this case the link is ok,so the BFD can't be used. When they re-establish the session,they will perform GR flow together. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ramesh Huliyar To: Yu Yi ; little_star@huawei.com ; mpls@lists.ietf.org Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query Hello, I feel that RTB LDP session will go down with RTA immidietly when the link goes down. After the re-establishment of the LDP session, RTB will be sending FT session TLV with Recovery Time 0. This will cause the RTA to remove the stale FEC-to-label mapping. But until this happens, traffic will be black holed. To overcome this, other methods of identifying link failures in RTA have to be employed, such as BFD, this will help RTA to use alternate FEC-to-Label mapping, because link failure does not start LDP GR but it will bring down LDP session in case of link level LDP. Regards Ramesh Huliyar ----- Original Message ---- From: Yu Yi To: little_star@huawei.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org Sent: Monday, 16 October, 2006 2:51:33 PM Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query For your case it is fine. RTB should be in normal case(normal session down)(no any GR flow) and delete all LSPs which are established on the port. After session up again RTA will re-send the same label mapping which are sent before session down. But as you know during this period the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a complete GR case. GR is applicable only if the forwarding plane is fine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com] Sent: 2006$BG/(B10$B7n(B16$BF|(B 3:07 PM To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR query Hi I have query related to LDP Graceful Restart. RFC 3478 say When an LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went down, and the LSR knows that the neighbor is capable of preserving its MPLS forwarding state across the restart (as was indicated by the FT Session TLV in the Initialization message received from the neighbor), the LSR retains the label-FEC bindings received via that session (rather than discarding the bindings), but marks them as "stale". RFC 3478 say that a router will implement GR flow when it detect that its LDP session with a neighbor went down. But there are many cases which can cause the LDP session went down ,and it$B!G(Bs neighbor don$B!G(Bt restart actually. Consider this scenario: Suppose that the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken down, then RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went down, then RTA will implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is re-established after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is resumed. Because the FT TLV in the initialization message of RTB don$B!G(Bt indicate that RTB whether reboot or not, so RTA is still implement GR flow. Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow. But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow , at the same time RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow? I think it will fall into confusion. Another example that the LDP session will be down is that the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor can$B!G(Bt send out it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this case the LSR will conclude that it$B!G(Bs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR flow. _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --Boundary_(ID_E4mmkSIJcPVTr5b/MEc0qw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT $B6uGr(B

Hello,

Then how about another scenario?

Another example that the LDP session will be down when the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor can$B!G(Bt send out it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this case this two LSR will conclude that it$B!G(Bs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR flow.

I mean the LDP protocol has some problem.In this case the link is ok,so the BFD can't be used.

 

When they re-establish the session,they will perform GR flow together.

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query

Hello,

I feel that RTB LDP session will go down with RTA immidietly when the link goes down. After the re-establishment of the LDP session, RTB will be sending FT session TLV with Recovery Time 0. This will cause the RTA to remove the stale FEC-to-label mapping. But until this happens, traffic will be black holed.

To overcome this, other methods of identifying link failures in RTA have to be employed, such as BFD, this will help RTA to use alternate FEC-to-Label mapping, because link failure does not start LDP GR but it will bring down LDP session in case of link level LDP.

Regards
Ramesh Huliyar

----- Original Message ----
From: Yu Yi <yuyi@nortel.com>
To: little_star@huawei.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org
Sent: Monday, 16 October, 2006 2:51:33 PM
Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query

  For your case it is fine. RTB should be in normal case(normal session down)(no any GR flow) and delete all LSPs which are established on the port.  After session up again RTA will re-send the same label mapping which are sent before session down. But as you know during this period the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a complete GR case.
  GR is applicable only if the forwarding plane is fine.
 
From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]
Sent: 2006$BG/(B10$B7n(B16$BF|(B 3:07 PM
To: mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR query

 

Hi

I have query related to LDP Graceful Restart.

RFC 3478 say

When an LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went down,

   and the LSR knows that the neighbor is capable of preserving its MPLS

   forwarding state across the restart (as was indicated by the FT

   Session TLV in the Initialization message received from the

   neighbor), the LSR retains the label-FEC bindings received via that

   session (rather than discarding the bindings), but marks them as

   "stale".

 

  RFC 3478 say that a router will implement GR flow when it detect that its LDP session with a neighbor went down.

 But there are many cases which can cause the LDP session went down ,and it$B!G(Bs neighbor don$B!G(Bt restart actually.

 

Consider this scenario:

 

 

 

 

Suppose that the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken down, then RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went down, then RTA will implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is re-established after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH  is resumed. Because the FT TLV in the initialization message of RTB don$B!G(Bt indicate that RTB whether reboot or not, so RTA is still implement GR flow.

Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow.

But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow , at the same time RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow? I think it will fall into confusion.

 

Another example that the LDP session will be down is that the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor can$B!G(Bt send out it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this case the LSR will conclude that it$B!G(Bs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR flow.

 

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boundary="===============1814893910==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1814893910== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6F18C.4034E3A2" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6F18C.4034E3A2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C6F18C.4034E3A2" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C6F18C.4034E3A2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think for this scenario RTA and RTB both consider the peer restart = and perform the GR process. So RTA will re-send all mapping and RTB also = do so. and then after receiving mapping all the LSP's stale flag are = cleared and a perfect GR is finished. The traffic won't be lost if the forwarding plane is ok. =20 ________________________________ From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]=20 Sent: 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C217=C8=D5 8:50 AM To: Ramesh Huliyar; Yi, Yu (SUNP:1G11); mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query Hello, Then how about another scenario? Another example that the LDP session will be down when the LSR=A1=AFs = neighbor can=A1=AFt send out it=A1=AFs packet, including hello packet or = keepalive packet, if the control plane of it=A1=AFs neighbor is very = busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this = case this two LSR will conclude that it=A1=AFs neighbor restart and the = LSR will implement GR flow. I mean the LDP protocol has some problem.In this case the link is ok,so = the BFD can't be used. =20 When they re-establish the session,they will perform GR flow together. =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ramesh Huliyar =20 To: Yu Yi ; little_star@huawei.com ; = mpls@lists.ietf.org=20 Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query Hello, =09 I feel that RTB LDP session will go down with RTA immidietly when the = link goes down. After the re-establishment of the LDP session, RTB will = be sending FT session TLV with Recovery Time 0. This will cause the RTA = to remove the stale FEC-to-label mapping. But until this happens, = traffic will be black holed. =09 To overcome this, other methods of identifying link failures in RTA = have to be employed, such as BFD, this will help RTA to use alternate = FEC-to-Label mapping, because link failure does not start LDP GR but it = will bring down LDP session in case of link level LDP. =09 Regards Ramesh Huliyar =09 =09 ----- Original Message ---- From: Yu Yi To: little_star@huawei.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org Sent: Monday, 16 October, 2006 2:51:33 PM Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query =09 =09 For your case it is fine. RTB should be in normal case(normal session = down)(no any GR flow) and delete all LSPs which are established on the = port. After session up again RTA will re-send the same label mapping = which are sent before session down. But as you know during this period = the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a complete GR case.=20 GR is applicable only if the forwarding plane is fine. =20 ________________________________ From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]=20 Sent: 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C216=C8=D5 3:07 PM To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR query =09 =09 =20 Hi=20 I have query related to LDP Graceful Restart.=20 RFC 3478 say When an LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went down, and the LSR knows that the neighbor is capable of preserving its = MPLS forwarding state across the restart (as was indicated by the FT Session TLV in the Initialization message received from the neighbor), the LSR retains the label-FEC bindings received via that session (rather than discarding the bindings), but marks them as "stale". =20 RFC 3478 say that a router will implement GR flow when it detect that = its LDP session with a neighbor went down. But there are many cases which can cause the LDP session went down = ,and it=A1=AFs neighbor don=A1=AFt restart actually. =20 Consider this scenario:=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Suppose that the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken down, then = RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went down, then RTA will = implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is = re-established after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is resumed. = Because the FT TLV in the initialization message of RTB don=A1=AFt = indicate that RTB whether reboot or not, so RTA is still implement GR = flow. Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB isn=A1=AFt in GR flow. But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow , at the same time RTB = isn=A1=AFt in GR flow? I think it will fall into confusion. =20 Another example that the LDP session will be down is that the = LSR=A1=AFs neighbor can=A1=AFt send out it=A1=AFs packet, including = hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it=A1=AFs = neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be = down. In this case the LSR will conclude that it=A1=AFs neighbor restart = and the LSR will implement GR flow. =20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls =09 ------_=_NextPart_002_01C6F18C.4034E3A2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =BF=D5=B0=D7
  I think for this scenario RTA and RTB both = consider the=20 peer restart and perform the GR process. So RTA will re-send all mapping = and RTB=20 also do so. and then after receiving mapping all the LSP's stale flag = are=20 cleared and a perfect GR is finished.
  The traffic won't be lost if the forwarding plane = is=20 ok. 
From: little_star@huawei.com=20 [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]
Sent: = 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C217=C8=D5 8:50=20 AM
To: Ramesh Huliyar; Yi, Yu (SUNP:1G11);=20 mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR=20 query

Hello,

Then how about another=20 scenario?

Another example that the LDP=20 session will be down when the LSR=A1=AFs neighbor can=A1=AFt send out = it=A1=AFs packet, including=20 hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it=A1=AFs = neighbor is very=20 busy or occurs some error ,then the = LDP session will be down. In this case = this two LSR will=20 conclude that it=A1=AFs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR=20 flow.

I mean the LDP = protocol has some=20 problem.In this case the link is ok,so the BFD can't be=20 used.

 

When they = re-establish the=20 session,they will perform GR flow together.

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- =
Sent: Monday, October 16, = 2006 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP = GR query

Hello,

I=20 feel that RTB LDP session will go down with RTA immidietly when the = link goes=20 down. After the re-establishment of the LDP session, RTB will be = sending FT=20 session TLV with Recovery Time 0. This will cause the RTA to remove = the stale=20 FEC-to-label mapping. But until this happens, traffic will be black=20 holed.

To overcome this, other methods of identifying link = failures in=20 RTA have to be employed, such as BFD, this will help RTA to use = alternate=20 FEC-to-Label mapping, because link failure does not start LDP GR but = it will=20 bring down LDP session in case of link level = LDP.

Regards
Ramesh=20 Huliyar

-----=20 Original Message ----
From: Yu Yi <yuyi@nortel.com>
To:=20 little_star@huawei.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org
Sent: Monday, 16 = October, 2006=20 2:51:33 PM
Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query

  For your case it is fine. RTB should be in = normal=20 case(normal session down)(no any GR flow) and delete all = LSPs which=20 are established on the port.  After session up again RTA = will=20 re-send the same label mapping which are sent before session down. But = as you=20 know during this period the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a=20 complete GR case.
  GR is applicable only if the = forwarding plane=20 is fine.
 
From: = little_star@huawei.com=20 [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]
Sent: = 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C216=C8=D5 3:07=20 PM
To: mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR=20 query

 

Hi =

I have = query=20 related to LDP Graceful Restart.=20

RFC 3478 say

When an LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went = down,

   and the LSR knows that the neighbor = is=20 capable of preserving its MPLS

   forwarding state across the restart = (as was=20 indicated by the FT

   Session TLV in the Initialization = message=20 received from the

   neighbor), the LSR retains the = label-FEC=20 bindings received via that

   session (rather than discarding the = bindings), but marks them as

   "stale".

 

  RFC 3478 say that a router will implement GR flow when it = detect=20 that its LDP session with a neighbor went down.

 But there are many cases which can cause = the LDP=20 session went down ,and it=A1=AFs neighbor don=A1=AFt restart = actually.

 

Consider = this=20 scenario: =

 

 

 

 

Suppose that the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken = down, then=20 RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went down, then RTA = will=20 implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is = re-established=20 after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH  is = resumed.=20 Because the FT TLV in the initialization message of RTB don=A1=AFt = indicate that=20 RTB whether reboot or not, so RTA is still implement GR=20 flow.

Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB isn=A1=AFt in GR=20 flow.

But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow , at the same time = RTB isn=A1=AFt=20 in GR flow? I think it will fall into=20 confusion.

 

Another example that the LDP=20 session will be down is that the LSR=A1=AFs neighbor can=A1=AFt send = out it=A1=AFs packet,=20 including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of = it=A1=AFs=20 neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the=20 LDP session will be down. In this case the = LSR will=20 conclude that it=A1=AFs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR = flow.

 

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(helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZfDg-0001Wu-3a for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:02:20 -0400 Received: from zrtps0kn.nortel.com ([47.140.192.55]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZfDf-000533-8q for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:02:20 -0400 Received: from zinnhxm0.corp.nortel.com (zinnhxm0.corp.nortel.com [47.153.200.77]) by zrtps0kn.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id k9H31bp11778; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:01:38 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:01:33 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ed01c6f195$f62ccc70$38096f0a@china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MPLS] LDP GR query Thread-Index: Acbxlnjonv901ePFQEm034h0SZ6XWwAAYoZw From: "Yu Yi" To: , "Ramesh Huliyar" , X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c25c25eef92c03b403abac6c7c688517 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0078580017==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0078580017== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6F198.8F47D8B2" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6F198.8F47D8B2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C6F198.8F47D8B2" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C6F198.8F47D8B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GR process has 2 case: The first is the process of the restart router. = The second is the process of the peer router of the restart router. =20 I guess you are thinking "GR flow" you mentioned in you mail is the = first case. But I feel in your scenario both RTA and RTB are in process = of the second process. In this process LDP should update LSP once the = route are changed. ________________________________ From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]=20 Sent: 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C217=C8=D5 10:43 AM To: Yi, Yu (SUNP:1G11); Ramesh Huliyar; mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query Hi Yu Yi, When two LSR fall into GR flow,then some LSP will be updated only after = GR,such as the lsp which should be deleted. I think GR flow will delay the updating of LSP,so it's better don't = perform GR flow in mistake. =20 Lixing Wang =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Yu Yi =20 To: little_star@huawei.com ; Ramesh Huliyar = ; mpls@lists.ietf.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query I think for this scenario RTA and RTB both consider the peer restart = and perform the GR process. So RTA will re-send all mapping and RTB also = do so. and then after receiving mapping all the LSP's stale flag are = cleared and a perfect GR is finished. The traffic won't be lost if the forwarding plane is ok. =20 =09 ________________________________ From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]=20 Sent: 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C217=C8=D5 8:50 AM To: Ramesh Huliyar; Yi, Yu (SUNP:1G11); mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query =09 =09 Hello, Then how about another scenario? Another example that the LDP session will be down when the LSR=A1=AFs = neighbor can=A1=AFt send out it=A1=AFs packet, including hello packet or = keepalive packet, if the control plane of it=A1=AFs neighbor is very = busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this = case this two LSR will conclude that it=A1=AFs neighbor restart and the = LSR will implement GR flow. I mean the LDP protocol has some problem.In this case the link is ok,so = the BFD can't be used. =20 When they re-establish the session,they will perform GR flow together. =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ramesh Huliyar =20 To: Yu Yi ; little_star@huawei.com ; = mpls@lists.ietf.org=20 Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query Hello, =09 I feel that RTB LDP session will go down with RTA immidietly when the = link goes down. After the re-establishment of the LDP session, RTB will = be sending FT session TLV with Recovery Time 0. This will cause the RTA = to remove the stale FEC-to-label mapping. But until this happens, = traffic will be black holed. =09 To overcome this, other methods of identifying link failures in RTA = have to be employed, such as BFD, this will help RTA to use alternate = FEC-to-Label mapping, because link failure does not start LDP GR but it = will bring down LDP session in case of link level LDP. =09 Regards Ramesh Huliyar =09 =09 ----- Original Message ---- From: Yu Yi To: little_star@huawei.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org Sent: Monday, 16 October, 2006 2:51:33 PM Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query =09 =09 For your case it is fine. RTB should be in normal case(normal = session down)(no any GR flow) and delete all LSPs which are established = on the port. After session up again RTA will re-send the same label = mapping which are sent before session down. But as you know during this = period the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a complete GR case.=20 GR is applicable only if the forwarding plane is fine. =20 ________________________________ From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]=20 Sent: 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C216=C8=D5 3:07 PM To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR query =09 =09 =20 Hi=20 I have query related to LDP Graceful Restart.=20 RFC 3478 say When an LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went down, and the LSR knows that the neighbor is capable of preserving its = MPLS forwarding state across the restart (as was indicated by the FT Session TLV in the Initialization message received from the neighbor), the LSR retains the label-FEC bindings received via that session (rather than discarding the bindings), but marks them as "stale". =20 RFC 3478 say that a router will implement GR flow when it detect = that its LDP session with a neighbor went down. But there are many cases which can cause the LDP session went down = ,and it=A1=AFs neighbor don=A1=AFt restart actually. =20 Consider this scenario:=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Suppose that the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken down, then = RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went down, then RTA will = implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is = re-established after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is resumed. = Because the FT TLV in the initialization message of RTB don=A1=AFt = indicate that RTB whether reboot or not, so RTA is still implement GR = flow. Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB isn=A1=AFt in GR flow. But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow , at the same time RTB = isn=A1=AFt in GR flow? I think it will fall into confusion. =20 Another example that the LDP session will be down is that the = LSR=A1=AFs neighbor can=A1=AFt send out it=A1=AFs packet, including = hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it=A1=AFs = neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be = down. In this case the LSR will conclude that it=A1=AFs neighbor restart = and the LSR will implement GR flow. =20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls =09 ------_=_NextPart_002_01C6F198.8F47D8B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =BF=D5=B0=D7
GR=20 process has 2 case: The first is the process of the restart router. The = second=20 is the process of the peer router of the restart = router.
 
I=20 guess you are thinking "GR flow" you mentioned in you mail is the first = case.=20 But I feel in your scenario both RTA and RTB are in process of the = second=20 process. In this process LDP should update LSP once the route are=20 changed.

From: little_star@huawei.com=20 [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]
Sent: = 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C217=C8=D5 10:43=20 AM
To: Yi, Yu (SUNP:1G11); Ramesh Huliyar;=20 mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR=20 query

Hi Yu Yi,
When two LSR fall into GR flow,then some LSP will be updated only = after=20 GR,such as the lsp which should be deleted.
I think GR flow will delay the updating of LSP,so it's better don't = perform=20 GR flow in mistake.
 
Lixing Wang
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Yu Yi =
Sent: Tuesday, October = 17, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP = GR query

  I think for this scenario RTA and RTB both = consider the=20 peer restart and perform the GR process. So RTA will re-send all = mapping and=20 RTB also do so. and then after receiving mapping all the LSP's stale = flag are=20 cleared and a perfect GR is finished.
  The traffic won't be lost if the forwarding = plane is=20 ok. 
From: little_star@huawei.com=20 [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]
Sent: = 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C217=C8=D5 8:50=20 AM
To: Ramesh Huliyar; Yi, Yu (SUNP:1G11); mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject= :=20 Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query

Hello,

Then how about another=20 scenario?

Another example that the LDP=20 session will be down when the LSR=A1=AFs neighbor can=A1=AFt send out = it=A1=AFs packet, including=20 hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it=A1=AFs = neighbor is=20 very busy or occurs some error ,then the = LDP session will be down. In this case = this two LSR will=20 conclude that it=A1=AFs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR = flow.

I mean the LDP = protocol has some=20 problem.In this case the link is ok,so the BFD can't be=20 used.

 

When they = re-establish the=20 session,they will perform GR flow together.

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- =
From: Ramesh=20 Huliyar
To: Yu Yi ; little_star@huawei.com ; = mpls@lists.ietf.org
Sent: Monday, October = 16, 2006 8:36=20 PM
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP = GR query

Hello,

I=20 feel that RTB LDP session will go down with RTA immidietly when the = link=20 goes down. After the re-establishment of the LDP session, RTB will = be=20 sending FT session TLV with Recovery Time 0. This will cause the RTA = to=20 remove the stale FEC-to-label mapping. But until this happens, = traffic will=20 be black holed.

To overcome this, other methods of = identifying link=20 failures in RTA have to be employed, such as BFD, this will help RTA = to use=20 alternate FEC-to-Label mapping, because link failure does not start = LDP GR=20 but it will bring down LDP session in case of link level=20 LDP.

Regards
Ramesh Huliyar

-----=20 Original Message ----
From: Yu Yi <yuyi@nortel.com>
To:=20 little_star@huawei.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org
Sent: Monday, 16 = October,=20 2006 2:51:33 PM
Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query

  For your case it is fine. RTB should be = in normal=20 case(normal session down)(no any GR flow) and delete all = LSPs=20 which are established on the port.  After session up = again RTA=20 will re-send the same label mapping which are sent before session = down. But=20 as you know during this period the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is = not a=20 complete GR case.
  GR is applicable only if the = forwarding plane=20 is fine.
 
From:=20 little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com] =
Sent:=20 2006=C4=EA10=D4=C216=C8=D5 3:07 PM
To: = mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject:=20 [MPLS] LDP GR query

 

Hi =

I have = query=20 related to LDP Graceful Restart.=20

RFC 3478 say

When an LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor = went=20 down,

   and the LSR knows that the = neighbor is=20 capable of preserving its MPLS

   forwarding state across the = restart (as was=20 indicated by the FT

   Session TLV in the Initialization = message=20 received from the

   neighbor), the LSR retains the = label-FEC=20 bindings received via that

   session (rather than discarding = the=20 bindings), but marks them as

   "stale".

 

  RFC 3478 say that a router will implement GR flow when = it detect=20 that its LDP session with a neighbor went down.

 But there are many cases which can cause = the LDP=20 session went down ,and it=A1=AFs neighbor don=A1=AFt restart=20 actually.

 

Consider this=20 scenario: =

 

 

 

 

Suppose that the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken = down, then=20 RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went down, then RTA = will=20 implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is=20 re-established after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH  = is resumed. Because the FT TLV in the initialization message = of RTB=20 don=A1=AFt indicate that RTB whether reboot or not, so RTA is still = implement GR=20 flow.

Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB isn=A1=AFt in GR=20 flow.

But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow , at the same = time RTB=20 isn=A1=AFt in GR flow? I think it will fall into=20 confusion.

 

Another example that the LDP=20 session will be down is that the LSR=A1=AFs neighbor can=A1=AFt = send out it=A1=AFs packet,=20 including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of = it=A1=AFs=20 neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the=20 LDP session will be down. In this case the = LSR will=20 conclude that it=A1=AFs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement = GR=20 flow.

 

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boundary="0-1194347503-1161060733=:24970" --0-1194347503-1161060733=:24970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Hello Lixing Wang, What I understand from your problem statement is that, "if there is a change in the lsp (deleted, next hop different) established previous to the GR, it will delay the updation of lsp or basically convergence". If the next hop for the FEC changes, label advertised from the current next hop will be chosen (lable retention mode). Now to speed up the convergence in case of deleted FEC, I think we should have a mechanism in LDP control plane, where it can signal that the process of signalling FEC-to-Label is completed. (Similar to the one in BGP, where we can signal the end of UPDATE message) Regards Ramesh Huliyar ----- Original Message ---- From: "little_star@huawei.com" To: Yu Yi ; Ramesh Huliyar ; mpls@lists.ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, 17 October, 2006 8:13:00 AM Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query $B6uGr(B DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Hi Yu Yi, When two LSR fall into GR flow,then some LSP will be updated only after GR,such as the lsp which should be deleted. I think GR flow will delay the updating of LSP,so it's better don't perform GR flow in mistake. Lixing Wang ----- Original Message ----- From: Yu Yi To: little_star@huawei.com ; Ramesh Huliyar ; mpls@lists.ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query I think for this scenario RTA and RTB both consider the peer restart and perform the GR process. So RTA will re-send all mapping and RTB also do so. and then after receiving mapping all the LSP's stale flag are cleared and a perfect GR is finished. The traffic won't be lost if the forwarding plane is ok. From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com] Sent: 2006$BG/(B10$B7n(B17$BF|(B 8:50 AM To: Ramesh Huliyar; Yi, Yu (SUNP:1G11); mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query Hello, Then how about another scenario? Another example that the LDP session will be down when the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor can$B!G(Bt send out it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this case this two LSR will conclude that it$B!G(Bs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR flow. I mean the LDP protocol has some problem.In this case the link is ok,so the BFD can't be used. When they re-establish the session,they will perform GR flow together. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ramesh Huliyar To: Yu Yi ; little_star@huawei.com ; mpls@lists.ietf.org Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query Hello, I feel that RTB LDP session will go down with RTA immidietly when the link goes down. After the re-establishment of the LDP session, RTB will be sending FT session TLV with Recovery Time 0. This will cause the RTA to remove the stale FEC-to-label mapping. But until this happens, traffic will be black holed. To overcome this, other methods of identifying link failures in RTA have to be employed, such as BFD, this will help RTA to use alternate FEC-to-Label mapping, because link failure does not start LDP GR but it will bring down LDP session in case of link level LDP. Regards Ramesh Huliyar ----- Original Message ---- From: Yu Yi To: little_star@huawei.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org Sent: Monday, 16 October, 2006 2:51:33 PM Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query BODY { MARGIN-TOP:25px;FONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:25px;COLOR:#000000;} P.msoNormal { MARGIN-TOP:0px;FONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:0px;COLOR:#ffffcc;} LI.msoNormal { MARGIN-TOP:0px;FONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:0px;COLOR:#ffffcc;} For your case it is fine. RTB should be in normal case(normal session down)(no any GR flow) and delete all LSPs which are established on the port. After session up again RTA will re-send the same label mapping which are sent before session down. But as you know during this period the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a complete GR case. GR is applicable only if the forwarding plane is fine. From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com] Sent: 2006$BG/(B10$B7n(B16$BF|(B 3:07 PM To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR query Hi I have query related to LDP Graceful Restart. RFC 3478 say When an LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went down, and the LSR knows that the neighbor is capable of preserving its MPLS forwarding state across the restart (as was indicated by the FT Session TLV in the Initialization message received from the neighbor), the LSR retains the label-FEC bindings received via that session (rather than discarding the bindings), but marks them as "stale". RFC 3478 say that a router will implement GR flow when it detect that its LDP session with a neighbor went down. But there are many cases which can cause the LDP session went down ,and it$B!G(Bs neighbor don$B!G(Bt restart actually. Consider this scenario: Suppose that the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken down, then RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went down, then RTA will implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is re-established after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is resumed. Because the FT TLV in the initialization message of RTB don$B!G(Bt indicate that RTB whether reboot or not, so RTA is still implement GR flow. Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow. But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow , at the same time RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow? I think it will fall into confusion. Another example that the LDP session will be down is that the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor can$B!G(Bt send out it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this case the LSR will conclude that it$B!G(Bs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR flow. _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ --0-1194347503-1161060733=:24970 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0-1484540247-1161060733=:24970" --0-1484540247-1161060733=:24970 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-2022-jp
Hello Lixing Wang,

What I understand from your problem statement is that, "if there is a change in the lsp (deleted, next hop different) established previous to the GR, it will delay the updation of lsp or basically convergence". If the next hop for the FEC changes, label advertised from the current next hop will be chosen (lable retention mode). Now to speed up the convergence in case of deleted FEC, I think we should have a mechanism in LDP control plane, where it can signal that the process of signalling FEC-to-Label is completed. (Similar to the one in BGP, where we can signal the end of UPDATE message)

Regards
Ramesh Huliyar

----- Original Message ----
From: "little_star@huawei.com" <little_star@huawei.com>
To: Yu Yi <yuyi@nortel.com>; Ramesh Huliyar <ramhuliyar@yahoo.co.in>; mpls@lists.ietf.org
Sent: Tuesday, 17 October, 2006 8:13:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query

$B6uGr(B
Hi Yu Yi,
When two LSR fall into GR flow,then some LSP will be updated only after GR,such as the lsp which should be deleted.
I think GR flow will delay the updating of LSP,so it's better don't perform GR flow in mistake.
 
Lixing Wang
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Yu Yi
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query

  I think for this scenario RTA and RTB both consider the peer restart and perform the GR process. So RTA will re-send all mapping and RTB also do so. and then after receiving mapping all the LSP's stale flag are cleared and a perfect GR is finished.
  The traffic won't be lost if the forwarding plane is ok. 
From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]
Sent: 2006$BG/(B10$B7n(B17$BF|(B 8:50 AM
To: Ramesh Huliyar; Yi, Yu (SUNP:1G11); mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query

Hello,

Then how about another scenario?

Another example that the LDP session will be down when the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor can$B!G(Bt send out it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this case this two LSR will conclude that it$B!G(Bs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR flow.

I mean the LDP protocol has some problem.In this case the link is ok,so the BFD can't be used.

 

When they re-establish the session,they will perform GR flow together.

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query

Hello,

I feel that RTB LDP session will go down with RTA immidietly when the link goes down. After the re-establishment of the LDP session, RTB will be sending FT session TLV with Recovery Time 0. This will cause the RTA to remove the stale FEC-to-label mapping. But until this happens, traffic will be black holed.

To overcome this, other methods of identifying link failures in RTA have to be employed, such as BFD, this will help RTA to use alternate FEC-to-Label mapping, because link failure does not start LDP GR but it will bring down LDP session in case of link level LDP.

Regards
Ramesh Huliyar

----- Original Message ----
From: Yu Yi <yuyi@nortel.com>
To: little_star@huawei.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org
Sent: Monday, 16 October, 2006 2:51:33 PM
Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query

  For your case it is fine. RTB should be in normal case(normal session down)(no any GR flow) and delete all LSPs which are established on the port.  After session up again RTA will re-send the same label mapping which are sent before session down. But as you know during this period the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a complete GR case.
  GR is applicable only if the forwarding plane is fine.
 
From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]
Sent: 2006$BG/(B10$B7n(B16$BF|(B 3:07 PM
To: mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR query

 

Hi

I have query related to LDP Graceful Restart.

RFC 3478 say

When an LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went down,

   and the LSR knows that the neighbor is capable of preserving its MPLS

   forwarding state across the restart (as was indicated by the FT

   Session TLV in the Initialization message received from the

   neighbor), the LSR retains the label-FEC bindings received via that

   session (rather than discarding the bindings), but marks them as

   "stale".

 

  RFC 3478 say that a router will implement GR flow when it detect that its LDP session with a neighbor went down.

 But there are many cases which can cause the LDP session went down ,and it$B!G(Bs neighbor don$B!G(Bt restart actually.

 

Consider this scenario:

 

 

 

 

Suppose that the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken down, then RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went down, then RTA will implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is re-established after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH  is resumed. Because the FT TLV in the initialization message of RTB don$B!G(Bt indicate that RTB whether reboot or not, so RTA is still implement GR flow.

Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow.

But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow , at the same time RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow? I think it will fall into confusion.

 

Another example that the LDP session will be down is that the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor can$B!G(Bt send out it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this case the LSR will conclude that it$B!G(Bs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR flow.

 

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charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lixing Wang,=0A=0AAs I had mentioned earlier, when there is a link fa= ilure (in this case, it is identified using BFD), the LDP session is remove= d and hence RTA and RTB will delete the lsp and reestablish the session. BF= D can provide failure detection on any kind of path between systems, inclu= ding direct physical links, virtual circuits, tunnels, MPLS LSPs, multihop= routed paths, and unidirectional links (so long as there is some return = path, of course.) So here even though the link failure is not occuring on = the connected interface, BFD can identify the link failure.=0A=0ANow, comin= g to the case where the 2 LSR are helper router (this is identified during = LDP Session establishment where Reconnect timer is set to zero), then the m= oment LSR comes to know (usually by hello hold time expire) its neighbor is= down, LDP session is brought down and it will not enter GR mode.=0A=0ARega= rds=0ARamesh Huliyar=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "little= _star@huawei.com" =0ATo: Ramesh Huliyar ; Yu Yi ; mpls@lists.ietf.org=0ASent: Tuesday= , 17 October, 2006 12:43:04 PM=0ASubject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query=0A=0A$B6u= Gr(B=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0ADIV {=0AMARGIN:0px;}=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Ramesh,= =0A=0A=0APlease see the below graph=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIf the link between th= e two LAN-SWITCH is down ,RTA and RTB will =0A=0Athink the other side LSR r= estart,so these two LSR are all helper router.Thay =0A=0Awill perform GR fl= ow.Do you think it's good than the non-GR flow(the normal flow which =0A=0A= session down).=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0AI don't think so ,we should distinguish th= e LSR whether restart =0A=0Aor not.If the LSR really restart,the GR flow is= OK,but if not,I think,the LSR =0A=0Ashould delete the lsp and reestablish = the session.=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0ALixing Wang=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ----- = Original Message ----- =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A From: =0A=0A Ramesh =0A=0A = Huliyar =0A=0A=0A To: little_star@huawei.com ; Yu Yi ; mpls@lists.ietf.org= =0A=0A=0A Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:52 =0A=0APM=0A=0A=0A Subjec= t: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A Hello =0A=0A Li= xing Wang,=0A=0AWhat I understand from your problem statement is that, "if = =0A=0A there is a change in the lsp (deleted, next hop different) establis= hed =0A=0A previous to the GR, it will delay the updation of lsp or basica= lly =0A=0A convergence". If the next hop for the FEC changes, label advert= ised from the =0A=0A current next hop will be chosen (lable retention mode= ). Now to speed up the =0A=0A convergence in case of deleted FEC, I think = we should have a mechanism in LDP =0A=0A control plane, where it can signa= l that the process of signalling FEC-to-Label =0A=0A is completed. (Simila= r to the one in BGP, where we can signal the end of =0A=0A UPDATE message)= =0A=0ARegards=0ARamesh Huliyar=0A=0A=0A=0A ----- =0A=0A Original Message = ----=0AFrom: "little_star@huawei.com" =0A=0A =0ATo= : Yu Yi ; Ramesh =0A=0A Huliyar ;= mpls@lists.ietf.org=0ASent: Tuesday, =0A=0A 17 October, 2006 8:13:00 AM= =0ASubject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query=0A=0A=0A=0A DIV {=0AMARGIN:0px;}=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A Hi Yu Yi,=0A=0A=0A When two LSR fall into GR flow,then some LSP= will be updated only after =0A=0A GR,such as the lsp which should be dele= ted.=0A=0A=0A I think GR flow will delay the updating of LSP,so it's bette= r don't =0A=0A perform GR flow in mistake.=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A Lixing Wa= ng=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A=0A=0A = From: =0A=0A Yu Yi =0A=0A=0A To: little_star@huawei.com ; Ramesh = =0A=0A Huliyar ; mpls@lists.ietf.org =0A=0A=0A Sent: Tuesday, October= 17, 2006 9:33 AM=0A=0A=0A Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query=0A=0A=0A = =0A=0A=0A=0A I think for this scenario RTA =0A=0A and RTB both cons= ider the peer restart and perform the GR process. So RTA =0A=0A will re-= send all mapping and RTB also do so. and then after receiving =0A=0A map= ping all the LSP's stale flag are cleared and a perfect GR is =0A=0A fin= ished.=0A=0A=0A The traffic won't be lost if =0A=0A the forwarding = plane is ok. =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A From: little_star@huawei.= com =0A=0A [mailto:little_star@huawei.com] =0ASent: =0A=0A 2006$BG/(B= 10$B7n(B17$BF|(B 8:50 AM=0ATo: Ramesh Huliyar; Yi, =0A=0A Yu (SUNP:1G11)= ; mpls@lists.ietf.org=0ASubject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR =0A=0A query=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A Hello,=0A=0A=0A Then how about another = =0A=0A scenario?=0A=0A=0A Another example that the LDP =0A=0A sess= ion will be down when the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor can$B!G(Bt send out =0A=0A = it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the =0A= =0A control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is very busy or occurs some erro= r =0A=0A ,then the LDP session will =0A=0A be down. In this case this= two LSR will conclude that it$B!G(Bs =0A=0A neighbor restart and the LS= R will implement GR flow.=0A=0A=0A I mean the LDP protocol has =0A=0A = some problem.In this case the link is ok,so the BFD can't be =0A=0A use= d.=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A When they re-establish the =0A=0A session,t= hey will perform GR flow together.=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A = =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A=0A=0A Fr= om: =0A=0A Ramesh Huliyar =0A=0A=0A To: Yu Yi ; little_star@huawe= i.com ; mpls@lists.ietf.org =0A=0A=0A Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8= :36 PM=0A=0A=0A Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A= =0A=0A =0A=0A Hello,=0A=0AI =0A=0A feel that RTB LDP session= will go down with RTA immidietly when the link =0A=0A goes down. Afte= r the re-establishment of the LDP session, RTB will be =0A=0A sending = FT session TLV with Recovery Time 0. This will cause the RTA to =0A=0A = remove the stale FEC-to-label mapping. But until this happens, traffic =0A= =0A will be black holed.=0A=0ATo overcome this, other methods of ident= ifying =0A=0A link failures in RTA have to be employed, such as BFD, t= his will help RTA =0A=0A to use alternate FEC-to-Label mapping, becaus= e link failure does not start =0A=0A LDP GR but it will bring down LDP= session in case of link level =0A=0A LDP.=0A=0ARegards=0ARamesh Huliy= ar=0A=0A=0A=0A ----- =0A=0A Original Message ----=0AFrom: Yu Yi <= yuyi@nortel.com>=0ATo: =0A=0A little_star@huawei.com; mpls@lists.ietf.= org=0ASent: Monday, 16 October, =0A=0A 2006 2:51:33 PM=0ASubject: RE: = [MPLS] LDP GR query=0A=0A=0A=0A BODY {=0AMARGIN-TOP:25px;FONT-SIZE:10p= t;MARGIN-LEFT:25px;COLOR:#000000;}=0AP.msoNormal {=0AMARGIN-TOP:0px;FONT-SI= ZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:0px;COLOR:#ffffcc;}=0ALI.msoNormal {=0AMARGIN-TOP:0px;F= ONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:0px;COLOR:#ffffcc;}=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A For you= r case it is fine. RTB should be in =0A=0A normal case(normal session = down)(no any GR flow) and delete all =0A=0A LSPs which are established= on the port. After session up =0A=0A again RTA will re-send the same= label mapping which are sent before =0A=0A session down. But as you k= now during this period the MPLS traffic are =0A=0A lost. So this is no= t a complete GR case. =0A=0A=0A GR is applicable only if the forward= ing =0A=0A plane is fine.=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A = =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A From: =0A=0A little_star@huawei.com [mailto= :little_star@huawei.com] =0ASent: =0A=0A 2006$BG/(B10$B7n(B16$BF|(B 3:= 07 PM=0ATo: =0A=0A mpls@lists.ietf.org=0ASubject: [MPLS] LDP GR =0A=0A= query=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A Hi =0A=0A=0A= I have query =0A=0A related to LDP Graceful Restart. =0A=0A = =0A=0A=0A RFC 3478 say=0A=0A=0A When an LSR detects that its LDP= session with a neighbor went =0A=0A down,=0A=0A=0A and the LS= R knows that the neighbor is =0A=0A capable of preserving its MPLS=0A= =0A=0A forwarding state across the restart (as =0A=0A was indi= cated by the FT=0A=0A=0A Session TLV in the Initialization message = =0A=0A received from the=0A=0A=0A neighbor), the LSR retains t= he label-FEC =0A=0A bindings received via that=0A=0A=0A sessio= n (rather than discarding the =0A=0A bindings), but marks them as=0A= =0A=0A "stale".=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A RFC 3478 say that a= router will implement GR flow when it =0A=0A detect that its LDP sess= ion with a neighbor went down.=0A=0A=0A But there are many cases whic= h can cause the LDP =0A=0A session went down ,and it$B!G(Bs neighbor d= on$B!G(Bt restart =0A=0A actually.=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A Consi= der this =0A=0A scenario: =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A = =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A Suppose that the link bet= ween RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken down, =0A=0A then RTA will detects t= hat its LDP session with RTB went down, then RTA =0A=0A will implement= GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is =0A=0A re-establ= ished after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH =0A=0A is resumed. Be= cause the FT TLV in the initialization message of RTB =0A=0A don$B!G(B= t indicate that RTB whether reboot or not, so RTA is still =0A=0A impl= ement GR flow.=0A=0A=0A Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB isn$B!G(Bt in = GR =0A=0A flow.=0A=0A=0A But what will happen if RTA is in GR flo= w , at the same time RTB =0A=0A isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow? I think it will= fall into =0A=0A confusion.=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A Another exa= mple that the LDP session will be down is that the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor =0A= =0A can$B!G(Bt send out it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or = =0A=0A keepalive packet, if the control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is= very =0A=0A busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be d= own. 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Hello Lixing Wang,

As I had mentioned earlier, when there is a link failure (in this case, it is identified using BFD), the LDP session is removed and hence RTA and RTB will delete the lsp and reestablish the session. BFD can provide failure detection on any kind of  path between systems, including direct physical links, virtual  circuits, tunnels, MPLS LSPs, multihop routed paths, and   unidirectional links (so long as there is some return path, of  course.) So here even though the link failure is not occuring on the connected interface, BFD can identify the link failure.

Now, coming to the case where the 2 LSR are helper router (this is identified during LDP Session establishment where Reconnect timer is set to zero), then the moment LSR comes to know (usually by hello hold time expire) its neighbor is down, LDP session is brought down and it will not enter GR mode.

Regards
Ramesh Huliyar



----- Original Message ----
From: "little_star@huawei.com" <little_star@huawei.com>
To: Ramesh Huliyar <ramhuliyar@yahoo.co.in>; Yu Yi <yuyi@nortel.com>; mpls@lists.ietf.org
Sent: Tuesday, 17 October, 2006 12:43:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query

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Hi Ramesh,
Please see the below graph
If the link between the two LAN-SWITCH is down ,RTA and RTB will think the other side LSR restart,so these two LSR are all helper router.Thay will perform GR flow.Do you think it's good than the non-GR flow(the normal flow which session down).
 
I don't think so ,we should distinguish the LSR whether restart or not.If the LSR really restart,the GR flow is OK,but if not,I think,the LSR should delete the lsp and reestablish the session.
 
Lixing Wang
 
----- Original Message -----
 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query

Hello Lixing Wang,

What I understand from your problem statement is that, "if there is a change in the lsp (deleted, next hop different) established previous to the GR, it will delay the updation of lsp or basically convergence". If the next hop for the FEC changes, label advertised from the current next hop will be chosen (lable retention mode). Now to speed up the convergence in case of deleted FEC, I think we should have a mechanism in LDP control plane, where it can signal that the process of signalling FEC-to-Label is completed. (Similar to the one in BGP, where we can signal the end of UPDATE message)

Regards
Ramesh Huliyar

----- Original Message ----
From: "little_star@huawei.com" <little_star@huawei.com>
To: Yu Yi <yuyi@nortel.com>; Ramesh Huliyar <ramhuliyar@yahoo.co.in>; mpls@lists.ietf.org
Sent: Tuesday, 17 October, 2006 8:13:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query

Hi Yu Yi,
When two LSR fall into GR flow,then some LSP will be updated only after GR,such as the lsp which should be deleted.
I think GR flow will delay the updating of LSP,so it's better don't perform GR flow in mistake.
 
Lixing Wang
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Yu Yi
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query

  I think for this scenario RTA and RTB both consider the peer restart and perform the GR process. So RTA will re-send all mapping and RTB also do so. and then after receiving mapping all the LSP's stale flag are cleared and a perfect GR is finished.
  The traffic won't be lost if the forwarding plane is ok. 
From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]
Sent: 2006$BG/(B10$B7n(B17$BF|(B 8:50 AM
To: Ramesh Huliyar; Yi, Yu (SUNP:1G11); mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query

Hello,

Then how about another scenario?

Another example that the LDP session will be down when the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor can$B!G(Bt send out it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this case this two LSR will conclude that it$B!G(Bs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR flow.

I mean the LDP protocol has some problem.In this case the link is ok,so the BFD can't be used.

 

When they re-establish the session,they will perform GR flow together.

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query

Hello,

I feel that RTB LDP session will go down with RTA immidietly when the link goes down. After the re-establishment of the LDP session, RTB will be sending FT session TLV with Recovery Time 0. This will cause the RTA to remove the stale FEC-to-label mapping. But until this happens, traffic will be black holed.

To overcome this, other methods of identifying link failures in RTA have to be employed, such as BFD, this will help RTA to use alternate FEC-to-Label mapping, because link failure does not start LDP GR but it will bring down LDP session in case of link level LDP.

Regards
Ramesh Huliyar

----- Original Message ----
From: Yu Yi <yuyi@nortel.com>
To: little_star@huawei.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org
Sent: Monday, 16 October, 2006 2:51:33 PM
Subject: RE: [MPLS] LDP GR query

  For your case it is fine. RTB should be in normal case(normal session down)(no any GR flow) and delete all LSPs which are established on the port.  After session up again RTA will re-send the same label mapping which are sent before session down. But as you know during this period the MPLS traffic are lost. So this is not a complete GR case.
  GR is applicable only if the forwarding plane is fine.
 
From: little_star@huawei.com [mailto:little_star@huawei.com]
Sent: 2006$BG/(B10$B7n(B16$BF|(B 3:07 PM
To: mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: [MPLS] LDP GR query

 

Hi

I have query related to LDP Graceful Restart.

RFC 3478 say

When an LSR detects that its LDP session with a neighbor went down,

   and the LSR knows that the neighbor is capable of preserving its MPLS

   forwarding state across the restart (as was indicated by the FT

   Session TLV in the Initialization message received from the

   neighbor), the LSR retains the label-FEC bindings received via that

   session (rather than discarding the bindings), but marks them as

   "stale".

 

  RFC 3478 say that a router will implement GR flow when it detect that its LDP session with a neighbor went down.

 But there are many cases which can cause the LDP session went down ,and it$B!G(Bs neighbor don$B!G(Bt restart actually.

 

Consider this scenario:

 

 

 

 

Suppose that the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH is broken down, then RTA will detects that its LDP session with RTB went down, then RTA will implement GR flow, even the LDP session between RTA and RTB is re-established after the link between RTB and LAN-SWITCH  is resumed. Because the FT TLV in the initialization message of RTB don$B!G(Bt indicate that RTB whether reboot or not, so RTA is still implement GR flow.

Now RTA is in GR flow , but RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow.

But what will happen if RTA is in GR flow , at the same time RTB isn$B!G(Bt in GR flow? I think it will fall into confusion.

 

Another example that the LDP session will be down is that the LSR$B!G(Bs neighbor can$B!G(Bt send out it$B!G(Bs packet, including hello packet or keepalive packet, if the control plane of it$B!G(Bs neighbor is very busy or occurs some error ,then the LDP session will be down. In this case the LSR will conclude that it$B!G(Bs neighbor restart and the LSR will implement GR flow.

 

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From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Oct 18 05:08:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga7JP-0004RE-Ql; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:02:07 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga7JP-0004R9-2f for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:02:07 -0400 Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net ([62.241.162.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga7JN-0002TL-Mb for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:02:07 -0400 Received: from pc6 (1Cust132.tnt30.lnd3.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.122.132]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 50CCDE000443; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:01:56 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <006b01c6f28a$c73b51c0$0601a8c0@pc6> From: "Tom Petch" To: "George Swallow" References: <20061016215524.99686291C52@host-64-47-156-150.masergy.com> Subject: Re: [mpls] Fw: I-D ACTION:draft-swallow-rsvp-user-error-spec-00.txt Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:53:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org, mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tom Petch List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org ---- Original Message ----- From: "George Swallow" To: "Tom Petch" Cc: "Adrian Farrel" ; ; ; Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [mpls] Fw: I-D ACTION:draft-swallow-rsvp-user-error-spec-00.txt > > I wonder why the IEEE-controlled OUI is used to identify an organisation. In > > other WG, I see the IANA-controlled private.enterprises branch of the ISO naming > > tree used. Either would do but I would like to see an explanation. > > I have no religion on this topic. If the consensus is IANA, that's fine > by me. I just want a convenient way to dis-ambiguate! > > ...george > I too have no religion but ... The two marketplaces are different. Although positioned as User extensions, I see this as a place for the IETF to expand into when (not if) the original octet is used up. For those working in the IEEE 802.1 bridge/switch marketplace, OUI will be a commonplace; for a Xerox or Cisco, it would be, which of our dozens of OUI shall we use today? Other organisations do not have them (like the IETF, I believe) and the bar to getting one is higher than for an enterprise number in the ISO space. OUI is a nice fixed length binary number, an enterprise number is (strictly) an ordered sequence of positive integers of indeterminate length (altough we could use just the assigned enterprise number), whose encoding needs to be determined (especially if the whole sequence is used). Mmmm... I don't know which is right for this application. That apart, I think the I-D an excellent idea. Tom Petch PS Apologies for any posting problems with this; I am subscribed with different e-mail addresses to ccamp and mpls and am using the latter for this. > ======================================================================== > George Swallow Cisco Systems (978) 936-1398 > 1414 Massachusetts Avenue > Boxborough, MA 01719 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Oct 18 20:53:09 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaM4I-0005Cg-Ko; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:47:30 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaM4H-0005CP-FH for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:47:29 -0400 Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.55]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaM4F-0008Tg-3h for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:47:29 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J7C00HGKYOVRR@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:58:07 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J7C00GJKYOUJK@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:58:07 +0800 (CST) Received: from w22283a ([10.111.9.56]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0J7C003GIYS1T6@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:00:02 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:46:37 +0800 From: little_star@huawei.com Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query To: Ramesh Huliyar , mpls@lists.ietf.org Message-id: <002601c6f318$088beb70$38096f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20061017082852.76857.qmail@web8803.mail.in.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Scan-Signature: d890c9ddd0b0a61e8c597ad30c1c2176 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: little_star@huawei.com List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0034270217==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0034270217== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2SJpXMX6sYMLqAev+KmjjA)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_2SJpXMX6sYMLqAev+KmjjA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT $B6uGr(BHello Ramesh Huliyar, You said, Now, coming to the case where the 2 LSR are helper router (this is identified during LDP Session establishment where Reconnect timer is set to zero), then the moment LSR comes to know (usually by hello hold time expire) its neighbor is down, LDP session is brought down and it will not enter GR mode. I think,the Reconnect timer is used for next restart,not used for this time RFC 3478 2. LDP Extension Setting the FT Reconnect Timeout to 0 indicates that the sender of the TLV will not preserve its forwarding state across the restart, yet the sender supports the procedures, defined in Section 3.3, "Restart of LDP communication with a neighbor LSR" of this document, and therefore could take advantage if its neighbor to preserve its forwarding state across the restart. If the LSR set the Reconnect Timeout to 0 and send this TLV to it's neighbour,it's neighbour will not help the LSR resume when the LSR restart next time. Lixing wang ----- Original Message ----- From: Ramesh Huliyar To: little_star@huawei.com ; Yu Yi ; mpls@lists.ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query Hello Lixing Wang, As I had mentioned earlier, when there is a link failure (in this case, it is identified using BFD), the LDP session is removed and hence RTA and RTB will delete the lsp and reestablish the session. BFD can provide failure detection on any kind of path between systems, including direct physical links, virtual circuits, tunnels, MPLS LSPs, multihop routed paths, and unidirectional links (so long as there is some return path, of course.) So here even though the link failure is not occuring on the connected interface, BFD can identify the link failure. Now, coming to the case where the 2 LSR are helper router (this is identified during LDP Session establishment where Reconnect timer is set to zero), then the moment LSR comes to know (usually by hello hold time expire) its neighbor is down, LDP session is brought down and it will not enter GR mode. Regards Ramesh Huliyar --Boundary_(ID_2SJpXMX6sYMLqAev+KmjjA) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT $B6uGr(B
Hello Ramesh Huliyar,
You said,
Now, coming to the case where the 2 LSR are helper router (this is identified during LDP Session establishment where Reconnect timer is set to zero), then the moment LSR comes to know (usually by hello hold time expire) its neighbor is down, LDP session is brought down and it will not enter GR mode.

 
I think,the Reconnect timer is used for next restart,not used for this time

RFC 3478

2. LDP Extension

Setting the FT Reconnect Timeout to 0 indicates that the sender of

   the TLV will not preserve its forwarding state across the restart,

   yet the sender supports the procedures, defined in Section 3.3,

   "Restart of LDP communication with a neighbor LSR" of this document,

   and therefore could take advantage if its neighbor to preserve its

   forwarding state across the restart.

 

If the LSR set the Reconnect Timeout to 0 and send this TLV to it's neighbour,it's neighbour will not help the LSR resume when the LSR restart next time.

 

 

Lixing wang
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MPLS] LDP GR query

Hello Lixing Wang,

As I had mentioned earlier, when there is a link failure (in this case, it is identified using BFD), the LDP session is removed and hence RTA and RTB will delete the lsp and reestablish the session. BFD can provide failure detection on any kind of  path between systems, including direct physical links, virtual  circuits, tunnels, MPLS LSPs, multihop routed paths, and   unidirectional links (so long as there is some return path, of  course.) So here even though the link failure is not occuring on the connected interface, BFD can identify the link failure.

Now, coming to the case where the 2 LSR are helper router (this is identified during LDP Session establishment where Reconnect timer is set to zero), then the moment LSR comes to know (usually by hello hold time expire) its neighbor is down, LDP session is brought down and it will not enter GR mode.

Regards
Ramesh Huliyar
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ESMTP id k9JHkjE56086; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:46:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ina@juniper.net) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:46:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ina Minei To: jin.lizhong@zte.com.cn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061019103935.B92529@garnet.juniper.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Re: comments on draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-01 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Please see answers below, marked ###. Ina On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 jin.lizhong@zte.com.cn wrote: > Hi, all > > I read the draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-01 and have some questions. > > In section 2.1 > In which situation will the opaque value contains more than one LDP MP > Opaque Value Elements? > ### This depends on what is the information carried in the opaque value element. This is outside the scope of this document. This document is only concerned with how the information is encoded. Allowing multiple of them ensures maximum flexibility. > In section 4.1 > Does such a wildcard MP2MP FEC exist with only Opaque length set to 0, > which is for matching root node address. > > In this draft, why wildcard P2MP FEC is not mentioned. ### It is defined in 2.1. > > In section 5 > "P2MP and MP2MP Downstream wildcard FEC may appear only in Label Request, > Label Withdraw and Label Release messages." > I do not think Label Request will be used with P2MP and MP2MP Downstream > wildcard FEC, for P2MP/MP2MP LSP is initialized by > leaf node. And when will the upstream node send Label Request to the > downstream node? > > "MP2MP Upstream wildcard FEC may appear only in Label Withdraw and Label > Release messages." > When the leaf node initialized the MP2MP LSP, it may or may not send Label > Request Message with MP2MP Upstream wildcard FEC. > However it is reasonable to send Label Request Message with MP2MP Upstream > wildcard FEC, for it is issued by the leaf node. > Then MP2MP Upstream wildcard FEC may appear in Label Request. > > Maybe I have missed some key point. Thanks! ### You may want to look at the wildcard FEC draft draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-00.txt > > Best Regards > Jin.lizhong > ZTE > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > ZTE Information Security Notice: The information contained in this mail is solely property of the sender's organization. This mail communication is confidential. 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Serialize complete at 2006-10-19 10:17:16 X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:03:36 -0400 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] comments on draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-01 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0703579177==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0703579177== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 000CC1B84825720C_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 000CC1B84825720C_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi, all I read the draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-01 and have some questions. In section 2.1 In which situation will the opaque value contains more than one LDP MP Opaque Value Elements? In section 4.1 Does such a wildcard MP2MP FEC exist with only Opaque length set to 0, which is for matching root node address. In this draft, why wildcard P2MP FEC is not mentioned. In section 5 "P2MP and MP2MP Downstream wildcard FEC may appear only in Label Request, Label Withdraw and Label Release messages." I do not think Label Request will be used with P2MP and MP2MP Downstream wildcard FEC, for P2MP/MP2MP LSP is initialized by leaf node. And when will the upstream node send Label Request to the downstream node? "MP2MP Upstream wildcard FEC may appear only in Label Withdraw and Label Release messages." When the leaf node initialized the MP2MP LSP, it may or may not send Label Request Message with MP2MP Upstream wildcard FEC. However it is reasonable to send Label Request Message with MP2MP Upstream wildcard FEC, for it is issued by the leaf node. 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Hi, all

I read the draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-01 and have some questions.

In section 2.1
In which situation will the opaque value contains more than one LDP MP Opaque Value Elements?

In section 4.1
Does such a wildcard MP2MP FEC exist with only Opaque length set to 0, which is for matching root node address.

In this draft, why wildcard P2MP FEC is not mentioned.

In section 5
"P2MP and MP2MP Downstream wildcard FEC may appear only in Label Request, Label Withdraw and Label Release messages."
I do not think Label Request will be used with P2MP and MP2MP Downstream wildcard FEC, for P2MP/MP2MP LSP is initialized by
leaf node. And when will the upstream node send Label Request to the downstream node?

"MP2MP Upstream wildcard FEC may appear only in Label Withdraw and Label Release messages."
When the leaf node initialized the MP2MP LSP, it may or may not send Label Request Message with MP2MP Upstream wildcard FEC.
However it is reasonable to send Label Request Message with MP2MP Upstream wildcard FEC, for it is issued by the leaf node.
Then MP2MP Upstream wildcard FEC may appear in Label Request.

Maybe I have missed some key point. Thanks!

Best Regards
Jin.lizhong
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From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Fri Oct 20 15:55:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gb0OF-0006hO-DJ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:50:47 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gb0Ni-0005zj-PP for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:50:14 -0400 Received: from ns1.neustar.com ([2001:503:c779:1a::9c9a:108a]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gb0NW-00013T-5h for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:50:14 -0400 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns1.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E7E26E5A; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Gb0NV-0001tv-Uh; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:50:01 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:50:01 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-02.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF. Title : Label Distribution Protocol Extensions for Point-to-Multipoint and Multipoint-to-Multipoint Label Switched Paths Author(s) : I. Minei, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-02.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2006-10-20 This document describes extensions to the Label Distribution Protocol (LDP) for the setup of point to multi-point (P2MP) and multipoint-to- multipoint (MP2MP) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) in Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) networks. The solution relies on LDP without requiring a multicast routing protocol in the network. Protocol elements and procedures for this solution are described for building such LSPs in a receiver-initiated manner. There can be various applications for P2MP/MP2MP LSPs, for example IP multicast or support for multicast in BGP/MPLS L3VPNs. 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X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2006 12:30:01.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0DBF460:01C6F50C] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: routing-discussion@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] CCAMP Working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Heads up. The CCAMP working group is holding a working group last call on this draft. Your input is invited. Please send comments direct to the CCAMP mailing list or to the WG chairs (Deborah and/or me) if you are not subscribed to CCAMP. Thanks, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:34 AM Subject: Working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt > This starts a two week working group last on > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt > > Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list by 12 midnight UK time > on Monday 30th October > > Thanks, > Adrian and Deborah _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sat Oct 21 08:52:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbGHq-00066k-9j; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:49:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbGHo-00065r-ML for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:49:12 -0400 Received: from mail1.noc.data.net.uk ([80.68.34.48]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbGHl-0008GL-Ja for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:49:12 -0400 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail1.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1GbGHq-0003Mb-00 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:49:14 +0100 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.35] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:48:59 +0100 Message-ID: <0cfb01c6f50f$45521680$540110ac@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , , References: <0cd701c6f50c$990f3080$540110ac@your029b8cecfe> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:48:41 +0100 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2006 12:49:00.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[47D45490:01C6F50F] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Cc: routing-discussion@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Re: CCAMP Working group last call ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, Since clicking on the URL may not be a function available to all of you, here is the abstract of the I-D. Cheers, Adrian Abstract It is highly desired in several cases, to take into account Traffic Engineering (TE) node capabilities during Multi Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineered Label Switched Path (TE-LSP) selection, such as for instance the capability to act as a branch Label Switching Router (LSR) of a Point-To-MultiPoint (P2MP) LSP. This requires advertising these capabilities within the Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP). For that purpose, this document specifies Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) and Intermediate System-Intermediate System (IS-IS) traffic engineering extensions for the advertisement of control plane and data plane traffic engineering node capabilities. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: [OSPF] CCAMP Working group last call ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt > Heads up. > > The CCAMP working group is holding a working group last call on this > draft. > > Your input is invited. > > Please send comments direct to the CCAMP mailing list or to the WG chairs > (Deborah and/or me) if you are not subscribed to CCAMP. > > Thanks, > Adrian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Farrel" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:34 AM > Subject: Working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt > > >> This starts a two week working group last on >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt >> >> Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list by 12 midnight UK >> time on Monday 30th October >> >> Thanks, >> Adrian and Deborah > > > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > > > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sun Oct 22 02:42:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbWx0-0001ZO-Nk; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:36:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbWwy-0001Z0-0H for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:36:48 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbWwv-0004ib-9m for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:36:47 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Oct 2006 23:36:44 -0700 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9M6aiV7029544; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:36:44 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k9M6aiW4001925; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xmb-sjc-222.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.106]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:36:44 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:36:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Isis-wg] CCAMP Working group last call ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt Thread-Index: Acb1DSpF4zoRNfWVS4+Sz26C3QSaHQAlAJrg From: "Les Ginsberg \(ginsberg\)" To: "Adrian Farrel" , , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2006 06:36:44.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[70A94160:01C6F5A4] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=3311; t=1161499004; x=1162363004; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ginsberg@cisco.com; z=From:=22Les=20Ginsberg=20\(ginsberg\)=22=20 |Subject:RE=3A=20[Isis-wg]=20CCAMP=20Working=20group=20last=20call=20ondraft-ietf -ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt=20; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3D5FSl2d6szlJU4Wx+V6QnZRHeV0g=3D; b=QEm1WabRNZSq1oQRvsYd31IxjyOBzdAlnhwLVk11Vl/0J8RPs508qFaDpHdPCIUptWyIgYdP oToSXhbR/pTomykczffuZECu/wIYyvjerm3cybZEU5i1MwVhpMwLV5Bs; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3.cisco.com; header.From=ginsberg@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 Cc: routing-discussion@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] RE: [Isis-wg] CCAMP Working group last call ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org In regards to the IS-IS definitions, there is (again - sorry JP...) confusion in the use of the terms TLV and subTLV. For example, in Section 2 it states: A new TLV is defined for ISIS and OSPF: the TE Node Capability=20 Descriptor TLV, to be carried within:=20 - The ISIS Capability TLV ([ISIS-CAP]) for ISIS... If the information is carried within another TLV, then it is clearly subTLV information - the difference between the two is more than terminology since it impacts both the encoding and the scope of the identifiers which are assigned. Section 4.2 then goes on to discuss: "The format of the IS-IS TE Node Capability TLV" - which is, as pointed out above, actually a subTLV. And then goes on to define "subsubTLVs" (which are incorrectly called subTLVs). As "subsubTLVs" are new to IS-IS encoding some discussion of this added level of hierarchy is required. However, I think it might also be fair to entertain the possibility that the "TE Node Capability subTLV" be deleted and the "subsubTLVs" defined in the subsections of 4.2 be defined more directly as subTLVs of the IS-IS CAPs TLV. This is possible because as currently defined, the "TE Node Capability subTLV" has no information at the subTLV level - it is simply a container for the subsubTLV information. This would allow for a more efficient encoding without any loss of functionality. Whatever the resolution, all the text relating to this must be reworded to be consistent and accurate. I would also prefer that the wording of the following sentence in Section 5.2: "An empty TE Node Capability Descriptor MUST be discarded." be changed to "An empty TE Node Capability Descriptor MUST be ignored." The term "discard" suggests that a router which leaks a CAP TLV containing TE node capability information might be required to modify the contents of that TLV - which is something to be avoided. Les > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:22 AM > To: isis-wg@ietf.org; ospf@ietf.org; mpls@lists.ietf.org > Cc: Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS; routing-discussion@ietf.org > Subject: [Isis-wg] CCAMP Working group last call ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te- > node-cap-02.txt >=20 > Heads up. >=20 > The CCAMP working group is holding a working group last call on this > draft. >=20 > Your input is invited. >=20 > Please send comments direct to the CCAMP mailing list or to the WG chairs > (Deborah and/or me) if you are not subscribed to CCAMP. >=20 > Thanks, > Adrian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Farrel" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:34 AM > Subject: Working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt >=20 >=20 > > This starts a two week working group last on > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt > > > > Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list by 12 midnight UK > time > > on Monday 30th October > > > > Thanks, > > Adrian and Deborah >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Isis-wg mailing list > Isis-wg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From ominuzmgkf@rulersmith.com Sun Oct 22 06:42:08 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbamO-0002CR-FP for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 06:42:08 -0400 Received: from [121.16.93.210] (helo=[121.16.89.3]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbZGB-00012r-9I for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 05:04:50 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c6f5b9$1e401970$03591079@lenovo77955ba4> From: "Designed" To: mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: invoicing Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:04:45 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C6F5FC.2C635970" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 748ed3980abc7d4bd6a14905626ff64e ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C6F5FC.2C635970 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01C6F5FC.2C635970" ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C6F5FC.2C635970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aero wing underside a fairings achieving both zero lift am Engineand = Driveline lbft of torque closeratio mode Rearwheel in. 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1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org, mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Cc: Subject: [mpls] status on advancing the LDP spec to Draft Standard X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Working Group, the process to take the LDP spec to Draft Standard have taken further steps and is now close to conclusion (x my fingers). We need to do a few more things. -- we've had comments from the IESG on the -03 version, that has lead to some changes. We seen it as appropriate to working group last call these changes (a mail will go out today) -- the LDP survey covers the implementations status of RFC3036 not draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04.txt. We will therefore issue a new survey for rfc3036bis (a mail will go out toady). The questions and structure will be pretty much the same and it would be appreciated if implementors could respond quickly -- the information in draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-survey2002-00.txt is still valuable and will be published as an Informational RFC from the working group Loa and George -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Oct 23 05:14:06 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbvo8-0002jd-Fq; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:09:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbvo6-0002jT-I7 for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:09:18 -0400 Received: from [80.86.78.228] (helo=smtp.testbed.se) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbvo4-0008BU-VO for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:09:18 -0400 Received: from gw.imc.kth.se ([193.10.152.67] helo=[172.16.2.203]) by fw.testbed.se with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbvo1-0003R6-Tn; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:09:16 +0200 Message-ID: <453C86B7.7030107@pi.se> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:09:11 +0200 From: Loa Andersson Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Oct 23 05:14:06 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbvnz-0002ez-I0; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:09:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbvnx-0002es-MY for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:09:09 -0400 Received: from [80.86.78.228] (helo=smtp.testbed.se) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbvnw-00088M-Aw for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:09:09 -0400 Received: from gw.imc.kth.se ([193.10.152.67] helo=[172.16.2.203]) by fw.testbed.se with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbvnr-0003Qy-JA; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:09:04 +0200 Message-ID: <453C86AC.6060908@pi.se> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:09:00 +0200 From: Loa Andersson Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org, mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Cc: Subject: [mpls] status on advancing the LDP spec to Draft Standard X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Working Group, the process to take the LDP spec to Draft Standard have taken further steps and is now close to conclusion (x my fingers). We need to do a few more things. -- we've had comments from the IESG on the -03 version, that has lead to some changes. We seen it as appropriate to working group last call these changes (a mail will go out today) -- the LDP survey covers the implementations status of RFC3036 not draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04.txt. We will therefore issue a new survey for rfc3036bis (a mail will go out toady). The questions and structure will be pretty much the same and it would be appreciated if implementors could respond quickly -- the information in draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-survey2002-00.txt is still valuable and will be published as an Informational RFC from the working group Loa and George -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Oct 23 05:14:06 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbvo8-0002jd-Fq; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:09:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbvo6-0002jT-I7 for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:09:18 -0400 Received: from [80.86.78.228] (helo=smtp.testbed.se) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbvo4-0008BU-VO for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:09:18 -0400 Received: from gw.imc.kth.se ([193.10.152.67] helo=[172.16.2.203]) by fw.testbed.se with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbvo1-0003R6-Tn; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:09:16 +0200 Message-ID: <453C86B7.7030107@pi.se> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:09:11 +0200 From: Loa Andersson Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org, mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc Cc: Subject: [mpls] Working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org All, This is to start a short working group last call on changes that has been introduced into the LDP spec as results of comments from the IESG review. The changes are captured in draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04.txt. The working group last call is limited to -- Changes to the vendor private extensions (section 3.6.1) -- Explanation of hello spoofing (section 5.1) -- Changes to the label mapping procedures (appendix A.1.2) due to the nature of this last call we like to know also if you are happy with the changes. This working group last call ends EOB Nov 3 2006. The entire set of changes to the LDP specification (as captured by Ina) is included below: Changes done ============= Content ------- - added text regarding disabling sending vendor-private TLVs and messages (interoperability requirement) - spelled out the problem that can be caused by spoofed hello messages (this was a requirement from the security ADs) - label-mapping procedures - fix the procedures for receipt of a duplicate label-map for the same fec with a different label. Editorial --------- - section 3.5 - added text to say that parameters in a message can end at odd byte boundaries - section 2.5.3 - spell out VPI, VCI, DLCI - section 5.3 - fix should to SHOULD - section 6 - spell out CoS - moved RFC2385 (md5) to normative references, as LDP requires support of it via a MUST statement - added reference to 4271 and 4278 and text for standards maturity variance with regards to the MD5 option. - removed dependency on 3032 as a normative reference by showing how the label is justified inside a 32 bit field, and stating the value of the implicit nulllabel. - removed dependency on 3031 as a normative reference by quoting the definition of the implicit null label. - removed the dependency on 3034 as a normative reference by including the relevant packet formats from 3034. - moved refernces to 3031, 3032 and 3034 to informative - In the definition of LDP Identifier, changed "must" to "MUST" and "should" to "SHOULD" - section 3.6 removed should to avoid confusion - "how an LSR should handle" becomes "how an LSR handles". - section 2.4.6 - changed must to MUST - section 2.8 -must to MUST - a couple of other must/should changes - added text to say that the document assumes but doesn't require familiarity with 3031 (to help us move 3031 to informative) - removed reference to rfc1700 and replaced it with a link to http://www.iana.org/assignments/address-family-numbers - removed 1771 and replaced with 4271 in the references - We had previously removed "MPLS using ATM VP Switching" from the list of references, but the doc was still referencing it. I removed the references. - I added 2328 to the list of references - somehow it had gotten removed, already in version 1 (by mistake), and there was a reference to it in the draft. Loa and George -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org, mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc Cc: Subject: [mpls] Working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org All, This is to start a short working group last call on changes that has been introduced into the LDP spec as results of comments from the IESG review. The changes are captured in draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04.txt. The working group last call is limited to -- Changes to the vendor private extensions (section 3.6.1) -- Explanation of hello spoofing (section 5.1) -- Changes to the label mapping procedures (appendix A.1.2) due to the nature of this last call we like to know also if you are happy with the changes. This working group last call ends EOB Nov 3 2006. The entire set of changes to the LDP specification (as captured by Ina) is included below: Changes done ============= Content ------- - added text regarding disabling sending vendor-private TLVs and messages (interoperability requirement) - spelled out the problem that can be caused by spoofed hello messages (this was a requirement from the security ADs) - label-mapping procedures - fix the procedures for receipt of a duplicate label-map for the same fec with a different label. Editorial --------- - section 3.5 - added text to say that parameters in a message can end at odd byte boundaries - section 2.5.3 - spell out VPI, VCI, DLCI - section 5.3 - fix should to SHOULD - section 6 - spell out CoS - moved RFC2385 (md5) to normative references, as LDP requires support of it via a MUST statement - added reference to 4271 and 4278 and text for standards maturity variance with regards to the MD5 option. - removed dependency on 3032 as a normative reference by showing how the label is justified inside a 32 bit field, and stating the value of the implicit nulllabel. - removed dependency on 3031 as a normative reference by quoting the definition of the implicit null label. - removed the dependency on 3034 as a normative reference by including the relevant packet formats from 3034. - moved refernces to 3031, 3032 and 3034 to informative - In the definition of LDP Identifier, changed "must" to "MUST" and "should" to "SHOULD" - section 3.6 removed should to avoid confusion - "how an LSR should handle" becomes "how an LSR handles". - section 2.4.6 - changed must to MUST - section 2.8 -must to MUST - a couple of other must/should changes - added text to say that the document assumes but doesn't require familiarity with 3031 (to help us move 3031 to informative) - removed reference to rfc1700 and replaced it with a link to http://www.iana.org/assignments/address-family-numbers - removed 1771 and replaced with 4271 in the references - We had previously removed "MPLS using ATM VP Switching" from the list of references, but the doc was still referencing it. I removed the references. - I added 2328 to the list of references - somehow it had gotten removed, already in version 1 (by mistake), and there was a reference to it in the draft. Loa and George -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Oct 23 05:14:11 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbvoO-0002tw-I5; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:09:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbvoN-0002st-MI for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:09:35 -0400 Received: from [80.86.78.228] (helo=smtp.testbed.se) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbvoK-0008H2-IO for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:09:35 -0400 Received: from gw.imc.kth.se ([193.10.152.67] helo=[172.16.2.203]) by fw.testbed.se with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1GbvoH-0003RC-LZ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:09:31 +0200 Message-ID: <453C86C6.50602@pi.se> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:09:26 +0200 From: Loa Andersson Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org, mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4cbeb0f20efb229aa93fae1468d20275 Cc: Subject: [mpls] Implementation Survey for LDP X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Working group, the Implementation Survey for LDP (draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04.txt) is included. We ask you to return it as quickly as possible, at the latest Nov 3 2006. Loa and George ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LDP Implementation Survey Form [V 2.0] The purpose of this form is to gather information about implementations of LDP as defined by draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04.txt. The information is being requested as part of the process of advancing LDP from Proposed to Draft Standard. The form is patterned after the implementation report form used for HTTP/1.1; see: http://www.ietf.org/IESG/Implementations/http1.1-implementations.txt ======================================================================= A. General information. Please provide the following information. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Organization: Organization url(s): ---------------------------------------------------------------- Product title(s): Brief description(s): ---------------------------------------------------------------- Contact for LDP information Name: Title: E-mail: Organization/department: Postal address: Phone: Fax: ======================================================================= B. LDP Implementation Status, Availability, Origin Please check [x] the boxes that apply. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Status: [ ] Development [ ] Alpha [ ] Beta [ ] Product [ ] Other (describe): Availability [ ] Public and free [ ] Only to selected organizations/companies but free [ ] On sale. [ ] For internal company use only [ ] Other: Implementation based on: (check all that apply) [ ] Purchased code (please list source if possible) [ ] Free code (please list source if possible) [ ] Internal implementation (no outside code, just from specs) [ ] Internal implementation on top of purchased or free code List portions from external source: List portions developed internally: ======================================================================= C. LDP Feature Survey. For each features listed, please indicate the Status of the implementation using one of the following: 't' tested against another independent implementation 'y' implemented but not tested against independent implementation 'n' not implemented '-' not applicable to this type of implementation Optional: For 'n' status, indicate reason for not implementing using one of the following: 's' RFC specification inadequate, unclear, or confusing 'u' utility of feature unclear 'r' feature not required for feature set implemented ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- | | Status | | (one of t, y, n, -; if n, Feature | RFC3036 Section(s) | optionally one of s, u, r) ==================+=============================+========================= Interface types | 2.2.1, 2.5.3, 2.8.2, 3,4,2 ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Packet | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Frame Relay | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- ATM | | ==================+=============================+========================= Label Spaces | 2.2.1, 2.2.2 ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Per platform | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Per interface | | ==================+=============================+========================= LDP Discovery | 2.4 ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Basic | 2.4.1 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Targeted | 2.4.2 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- LDP Sessions | 2.2.3 ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Directly | -- | Connected | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Targeted | 2.3 | ==================+=============================+========================= LDP Modes | 2.6 ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- DU, Ind cntl, | 2.6 | Lib retention | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- DU, Ord cntl, | 2.6 | Lib retention | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- DU, Ind cntl, | 2.6 | Cons retention | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- DU, Ord cntl, | 2.6 | Cons retention | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- DoD, Ind cntl, | 2.6 | Lib retention | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- DoD, Ord cntl, | 2.6 | Lib retention | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- DoD, Ind cntl, | 2.6 | Cons retention | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- DoD, Ord cntl, | 2.6 | Cons retention | | ==================+=============================+========================= Loop Detection | 2.8 | ==================+=============================+========================= TCP MD5 Option | 2.9 | ==================+=============================+========================= LDP TLVs | 3.3, 3.4, throughout ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- U-bit | 3.3 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- F-bit | 3.3 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- FEC | 1., 2.1, 3.4.1 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Wildcard | 3.4.1 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Prefix | 2.1, 3.4.1 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Address List | 3.4.3 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Hop Count | 3.4.4 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Path Vector | 3.4.5 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Generic Label | 3.4.2.1 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- ATM Label | 3.4.2.2 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Frame Relay | 3.4.2.3 | Label | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Status | 3.4.6 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Extended Status | 3.5.1 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Returned PDU | 3.5.1 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Returned Message| 3.5.1 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Common Hello | 3.5.2 | Parameters | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- T-bit | 3.5.2 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- R-bit | 3.5.2 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Hold Time | 3.5.2 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- IPv4 Transport | 3.5.2 | Address | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Configuration | 3.5.2 | Sequence Number | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- IPv6 Transport | 3.5.2 | Address | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Common Session | 3.5.3 | Parameters | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- KeepAlive Time| 3.5.3 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- PVLim | 3.5.3 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Max PDU Length| 3.5.3 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- ATM Session | 3.5.3 | Parameters | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- M values | | 0 No Merge | 3.5.3 | ------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- 1 VP Merge | 3.5.3 | ------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- 2 VC Merge | 3.5.3 | ------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- 3 VP & | 3.5.3 | VC Merge | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- D-bit | 3.5.3 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- ATM Label | 3.5.3 | Range | | Component | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Frame Relay | 3.5.3 | Session | | Parameters | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- M values | | 0 No Merge | 3.5.3 | ------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- 1 Merge | 3.5.3 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- D-bit | 3.5.3 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Frame Relay | 3.5.3 | Label Range | | Component | | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Label Request | 3.5.7 | Message ID | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Vendor-Private | 3.6.1.1 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Experimental | 3.6.2 | ==================+=============================+========================= LDP Messages | 3.5, throughout ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Notification | 3.5.1 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Hello | 3.5.2 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Initialization | 3.5.3 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- KeepAlive | 3.5.4 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Address | 3.5.5 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Address Withdraw| 3.5.6 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Label Mapping | 3.5.7 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Label Request | 3.5.7 | Message ID TLV| | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Hop Count TLV | 3.5.7 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Path Vect TLV | 3.5.7 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Label Request | 3.5.8 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Hop Count TLV | 3.5.8 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Path Vect TLV | 3.5.8 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Label Withdraw | 3.5.10 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Label TLV | 3.5.10 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Label Release | 3.5.11 | ----------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Label TLV | 3.5.11 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Label Abort Req | 3.5.9 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Vendor-Private | 3.6.1.2 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Experimental | 3.6.2 | ==================+=============================+========================= LDP Status Codes | 3.4.6 ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Success | 3.4.6, 3.9 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Bad LDP Id | 3.5.1.2.1 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Bad Ptcl Version| 3.5.1.2.1 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Bad PDU Length | 3.5.1.2.1 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Unknown Message | 3.5.1.2.1 | Type | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Bad Message | 3.5.1.2.1 | Length | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Unknown TLV | 3.5.1.2.2 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Bad TLV length | 3.5.1.2.2 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Malformed TLV | 3.5.1.2.2 | Value | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Hold Timer | 3.5.1.2.3 | Expired | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Shutdown | 3.5.1.2.4 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Loop Detected | 3.4.5.1.2, 3.5.8.1 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Unknown FEC | 3.4.1.1 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- No Route | 3.5.8.1 | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- No Label | 3.5.8.1 | Resources | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Label Resources | 3.5.8.1 | Available | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Session Rejected| 2.5.3, 3.5.3 | No Hello | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Session Rejected| 2.5.3, 3.5.3 | Parameters | | Advert Mode | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Session Rejected| 2.5.3, 3.5.3 | Parameters | | Max PDU Length | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Session Rejected| 2.5.3, 3.5.3 | Parameters | | Label Range | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- KeepAlive Timer | 2.5.6, 3.5.1.2.3 | Expired | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Label Request | 3.5.9.1 | Aborted | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Missing Message | 3.5.1.2.1 | Parameters | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Unsupported | 3.4.1.1, 3.5.5.1 | Address Family | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Session Rejected| 3.5.1.2.5, 3.5.3 | Bad KeepAlive | | Time | | ------------------+-----------------------------+------------------------- Internal Error | 3.5.1.2.7 | ==================+=============================+========================= -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se 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This is a simple refesh, nothing new. The RSVP spec clairifications are in the hopper thanks Adrian and JP. After that is resolved this work can be updated and go last call. Matthew Thus spake Matthew Meyer (mrm@gblx.net): | Network Working Group | Internet Draft Matthew R. Meyer (Ed) | Global Crossing | Jean-Philippe Vasseur (Ed) | Cisco Systems, Inc | Denver Maddux | Limelight Networks | Curtis Villamizar | Amir Birjandi | Juniper Networks | | Proposed status: Standard | Expires: March 2007 October 2006 | | | MPLS Traffic Engineering Soft Preemption | | draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-08.txt | | |Status of this Memo | | By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any | applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware | have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she becomes | aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of BCP 79. | | Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering | Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other | groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. | | Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months | and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any | time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference | material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." | | The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at | http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. | | The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at | http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. | | | | | | | | | | | | |draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-08.txt October 2006 | |Abstract | | This document details MPLS Traffic Engineering Soft Preemption, a | suite of protocol modifications extending the concept of preemption | with the goal of reducing/eliminating traffic disruption of preempted | Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs). Initially MPLS | RSVP-TE was defined supporting only immediate TE LSP displacement | upon preemption. The utilization of a preemption pending flag helps | more gracefully mitigate the re-route process of preempted TE LSP. | For the brief period soft preemption is activated, reservations | (though not necessarily traffic levels) are in effect under- | provisioned until the TE LSP(s) can be re-routed. For this reason, | the feature is primarily but not exclusively interesting in MPLS | enabled IP networks with Differentiated Services and Traffic | Engineering capabilities. | |Conventions used in this document | | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", | "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this | document are to be interpreted as described in RFC-2119 [i]. | |Table of Contents | | 1. Terminology...............................................3 | 1.1 Acronyms and Abbreviations............................3 | 1.2 Nomenclature..........................................3 | 2. Motivations...............................................4 | 3. Introduction..............................................4 | 4. RSVP Extensions...........................................5 | 4.1 SESSION-ATTRIBUTE Flags...............................5 | 4.2 RRO IPv4/IPv6 Sub-Object Flags........................5 | 4.3 Use of the RRO IPv4/IPv6 Sub-Object in Path message...5 | 5. Theory of Operation.......................................6 | 6. Elements Of Procedures....................................7 | 6.1 On a soft preempting LSR..............................7 | 6.2 On Head-end LSR of soft preempted TE LSP..............8 | 7. Interoperability..........................................9 | 8. Management................................................10 | 9. IANA Considerations.......................................10 | 10. Security considerations..................................10 | 11. Acknowledgment...........................................10 | 12. Intellectual Property Considerations.....................10 | 13. References...............................................11 | 13.1 Normative references.................................11 | 13.2 Informative references...............................11 | 14. Authors' Addresses.......................................12 | | | | |Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 2] | |draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-08.txt October 2006 |1. Terminology | | This document follows the nomenclature of the MPLS Architecture | defined in [MPLS-ARCH]. | |1.1 Acronyms and Abbreviations | | CSPF Constraint-based Shortest Path First. | DS Differentiated Services | LER Label Edge Router | LSR Label Switching Router | LSP Label Switched Path | MPLS MultiProtocol Label Switching | PPend Preemption Pending | RSVP Resource ReSerVation Protocol | TE Traffic Engineering | TE LSP Traffic Engineering Label Switched Path | |1.2 Nomenclature | | Make Before Break - Technique used to non-intrusively alter the path | of a TE LSP. The ingress LER first signals the new path, sharing the | bandwidth with the primary TE LSP (to avoid double booking), then | switches forwarding over to a new path. Finally the old path state is | torn down. | | Numerically Lower Preemption Priority - TE LSPs have setup and hold | preemption priorities of zero (best) through seven (worst). A | numerically lower setup priority TE LSP is capable of preempting a | numerically higher hold priority TE LSP. | | Preemption Pending flag - This flag is set on an IPv4 or IPv6 RSVP | Resv RRO sub-object to signal to the TE LSP ingress LER that the TE | LSP is about to be preempted and must be re-signaled (in a non | disruptive fashion, with make before break) along another path. If | present in the Path RRO, it is used to alert downstream LSRs that the | LSP was soft preempted upstream. | | Point of Preemption - the midpoint or ingress LSR which due to RSVP | provisioning levels is forced to either hard preempt or under- | provision and signal soft preemption. | | Hard Preemption - The (typically default) preemption process in which | higher numeric priority TE LSPs are intrusively displaced at the | point of preemption by lower numeric priority TE LSPs. In hard | preemption the TE LSP is torn down before reestablishment. | | Soft Preemption - The preemption process in which the point of | preemption allows a brief under-provisioning period while the ingress | | |Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 3] | |draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-08.txt October 2006 | router is alerted to the requirement for reroute. In soft preemption | the TE LSP is reestablished before being torn down. | | Soft Preemption Desired Flag - This flag is set on the | SESSION_ATTRIBUTES Flags in the Path message for the TE LSP indicate | to LSRs along the path that, should the LSP need to be preempted, | soft preemption should be used if supported. | |2. Motivations | | Initially MPLS RSVP-TE [RSVP-TE] was defined supporting only one | method of TE LSP preemption which immediately tears down TE LSPs, | disregarding the preempted in-transit traffic. This simple but abrupt | process nearly guarantees preempted traffic will be discarded, if | only briefly, until the RSVP Path Error message reaches and is | processed by the ingress LER and a new forwarding path can be | established. In cases of actual resource contention this might be | helpful, however preemption may be triggered by mere reservation | contention and reservations may not reflect forwarding plane | contention up to the moment. The result is that when conditions that | promote preemption exist and hard preemption is the default behavior, | inferior priority preempted traffic may be needlessly discarded when | sufficient bandwidth exists for both the preempted LSP and the | preempting TE LSP(s). | | Hard preemption may be a requirement to protect numerically lower | preemption priority traffic in a non Diff-Serv enabled architecture, | but in a Diff-Serv enabled architecture, one need not rely | exclusively upon preemption to enforce a preference for the most | valued traffic since the marking and queuing disciplines should | already be aligned for those purposes. Moreover, even in non Diff- | Serv aware networks, depending on the TE LSP sizing rules (imagine | all LSPs are sized at double their observed traffic level), | reservation contention may not accurately reflect the potential for | forwarding plane congestion. | |3. Introduction | | In an MPLS RSVP-TE [RSVP-TE] enabled IP network, hard preemption is | the default behavior. Hard preemption provides no mechanism to allow | preempted TE LSPs to be handled in a make-before-break fashion: the | hard preemption scheme instead utilizes a very intrusive method that | can cause traffic disruption for a potentially large amount of TE | LSPs. Without an alternative, network operators either accept this | limitation, or remove functionality by using only one preemption | priority or using invalid bandwidth reservation values. | Understandably desirable features like ingress LER automated TE | reservation adjustments are less palatable when preemption is | intrusive and high network stability levels are a concern. | | | |Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 4] | |draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-08.txt Januray 2006 | This document defines the use of additional signaling and maintenance | mechanisms to alert the ingress LER of the preemption that is pending | and allow for temporary under-provisioning while the preempted tunnel | is re-routed in a non disruptive fashion (make-before-break) by the | ingress LER. During the period that the tunnel is being re-routed, | link capacity is under-provisioned on the midpoint where preemption | initiated and potentially one or more links upstream along the path | where other soft preemptions may have occurred. Optionally the | downstream path to the egress LER may be signaled as well to more | efficiently deal with any near simultaneous soft preemptions that may | have been triggered downstream of the initial preemption. | |4. RSVP Extensions | |4.1 SESSION-ATTRIBUTE Flags | | To explicitly signal the desire for a TE LSP to benefit from the soft | preemption mechanism (and so not to be hard preempted if the soft | preemption mechanism is available), the following flag of the | SESSION-ATTRIBUTE object (for both the C-Type 1 and 7) is defined: | | Soft preemption desired: 0x40 (to be confirmed by IANA) | |4.2 RRO IPv4/IPv6 Sub-Object Flags | | To report that a soft preemption is pending for an LSP, a new flag is | defined in the IPv4/IPv6 sub-object carried in the RRO object message | defined in [RSVP-TE]. This flag is called the preemption pending | (PPend) flag. A compliant LSR MUST support the RRO object, as defined | in [RSVP-TE]. | | Several flags in the RRO IPv4 and IPv6 sub-object have been defined | in [RSVP-TE]and [FAST-REROUTE]: | | This documents defines a new flag for the use of soft preemption | named the 'Preemption pending' flag and defined as below: | | Preemption pending: 0x10 | | The preempting node sets this flag if a pending preemption is in | progress for the TE LSP. This indicates to the ingress LER of this | LSP that it SHOULD be re-routed. | |4.3 Use of the RRO IPv4/IPv6 Sub-Object in Path message | | An LSR MAY use the Preemption pending flag in the IPv4/IPv6 RRO sub- | object carried in a PATH RRO message to simultaneously alert | downstream LSRs that the LSP was soft preempted upstream. This | information could be used by the downstream LSR to bias future soft | | |Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 5] | |draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-08.txt October 2006 | preemption candidates toward LSPs already soft preempted elsewhere in | their path. | |5. Theory of Operation | |Let's consider the following example: | | R0--1G--R1---155----R2 LSP1: LSP2: | | \ | | | \ 155 R0-->R1 R1<--R2 | | \ | \ | | 155 1G R3 V V | | \ | R5 R4 | | \ 155 | | \| | R4----1G----R5 | | Figure 1: example of Soft Preemption Operation | | In the network depicted above in figure 1, consider the following | conditions: | | -Reservable BW on R0-R1, R1-R5 and R4-R5 is 1Gb/sec. | -Reservable BW on R1-R2, R1-R4, R2-R3, R3-R5 is 155 Mb/sec. | -Bandwidths and costs are identical in both directions. | -Each circuit has an IGP metric of 10 and IGP metric is used by CSPF. | -Two TE tunnels are defined: | - LSP1: 155 Mb, setup/hold priority 0 tunnel, path R0-R1-R5. | - LSP2: 155 Mb, setup/hold priority 7 tunnel, path R2-R1-R4. | Both TE LSPs are signaled with the soft preemption desired bit of | their SESSION-ATTRIBUTE object set. | -Circuit R1-R5 fails. | -Soft Preemption is functional. | | When the circuit R1-R5 fails, R1 detects the failure and sends an | updated IGP LSA/LSP and Path Error message to all the head-end LSRs | having a TE LSP traversing the failed link (R0 in the example above). | Either form of notification may arrive at the head-end LSRs first. | Upon receiving the link failure notification, R0 triggers a TE LSP | re-route of LSP1, and re-signals LSP1 along shortest path available | satisfying the TE LSP constraints: R0-R1-R4-R5 path. The Resv | messages for LSP1 travel in the upstream direction (from the | destination to the head-end LSR - R5 to R0 in this example). LSP2 is | soft preempted at R1 as it has a numerically lower priority value and | both bandwidth reservations cannot be satisfied on the R1-R4 link. | | Instead of sending a path tear for LSP2 upon preemption as with hard | preemption (which would result in an immediate traffic disruption for | LSP2), R1s local bandwidth accounting for LSP2 is zeroed and a | preemption pending flagged Resv RRO for LSP2 is issued. Optionally, | | |Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 6] | |draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-08.txt October 2006 | R1 MAY simultaneously send a soft preemption flagged Path RRO | notifying downstream LSRs of LSP2s soft preemption. | | Upon reception of the LSP2's Resv message with the preemption pending | flag set, R2 may update the working copy of the TE-DB before running | CSPF for the new LSP. In the case that Diff-Serv [DIFF-MPLS] and TE | [RSVP-TE] are deployed, receiving preemption pending may imply to a | head-end LSR that the available bandwidth for the affected priority | level and numerically greater priority levels has been exhausted for | the indicated node interface. R2 may choose to reduce or zero | available bandwidth for the implied priority range until more | accurate information is available (i.e. a new IGP TE update is | received). | | It follows that R2 re-computes a new path and performs a non traffic | disruptive rerouting of the new TE LSP T2 by means of the make- | before-break procedure. The old path is then torn down. | |6. Elements Of Procedures | |6.1 On a soft preempting LSR | | When a new TE LSP is signaled which requires to preempt a set of TE | LSP(s) because not all TE LSPs can be accommodated on a specific | interface, a node triggers a preemption action which consists of | selecting the set of TE LSPs that must be preempted so as to free up | some bandwidth in order to satisfy the newly signaled numerically | lower preemption TE LSP. | | For each preempted TE LSP, instead of sending a path tear upon | preemption as with hard preemption (which would result in an | immediate traffic disruption for the preempted TE LSP), the | preempting node's local bandwidth accounting for the preempted TE LSP | is zeroed and a preemption pending flagged Resv RRO for that TE LSP | is issued upstream toward the head-end LSR. | | Optionally, the preempting node MAY simultaneously send a soft | preemption flagged Path RRO notifying downstream LSRs of soft | preemption. If more than one soft preempted TE LSP has the same | head-end LSR, these soft preemption Resv (Path) messages may be | bundled together. | | The preempting node MUST immediately send a Resv message with the | preemption pending RRO flag set for each soft preempted TE LSP. The | node MAY use the occurrence of soft preemption to trigger an | immediate IGP update or influence the scheduling of an IGP update. | | Should a refresh event for a soft preempted TE LSP arrive before the | soft preemption timer expires, the soft preempting node MUST continue | to refresh the TE LSP. | | |Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 7] | |draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-08.txt October 2006 | | When the MESSAGE-ID extensions defined in [REFRESH-REDUCTION] are | available, Resv messages with the RRO preemption pending flag set | SHOULD be sent in reliable mode. | | In the case that reservation availability is restored at the point of | preemption, the point of preemption MAY issue a Resv message with the | preemption pending flag unset to signal restoration to the head-end | LSR. This implies that a head-end LSR might have delayed or been | unsuccessful in re-signaling. | | To guard against a situation where bandwidth under-provisioning will | last forever, a local timer (named the "Soft preemption timer") MUST | be started on the preemption node, upon soft preemption. If this | timer expires, the preempting node SHOULD send a PathTear and either | a ResvTear or a PathErr with the 'Path_State_Removed' flag set. | | Selection of the preempted TE LSP at a preempting mid-point: when a | numerically lower priority TE LSP is signaled that requires the | preemption of a set of numerically higher priority LSPs, the node | where preemption is to occur has to make a decision on the set of TE | LSP(s), candidates for preemption. This decision is a local decision | and various algorithms can be used, depending on the objective. See | [PREEMPT-EXP]. As already mentioned, soft preemption causes a | temporary link under provisioning condition while the soft preempted | TE LSPs are rerouted by their respective head-end LSRs. In order to | reduce this under provisioning exposure, a soft-preempting LSR MAY | check first if there exists soft preempt-able TE LSP bandwidth | flagged PPend by another node but still available for soft-preemption | locally. If sufficient overlap bandwidth exists the LSR MAY attempt | to soft preempt the same LSP. This would help reducing the | temporarily elevated under-provisioning ratio on the links where soft | preemption occurs and the number of preempted TE LSPs. Optionally, a | midpoint LSR upstream or downstream from a soft preempting node MAY | choose to flag the LSPs soft preempted state. In the event a local | preemption is needed, the relevant priority level LSPs from the cache | are soft preempted first, followed by the normal soft and hard | preemption selection process for the given priority. | | Under specific circumstances such as unacceptable link congestion, a | node MAY decide to hard preempt a TE LSP (by sending a PathTear and | either a ResvTear or a PathErr with the 'Path_State_Removed' flag | set) even if its head-end LSR explicitly requested 'soft preemption' | ('Soft Preemption desired' flag of the corresponding SESSION- | ATTRIBUTE object set). Note that such decision MAY also be taken for | TE LSPs under soft preemption state. | |6.2 On Head-end LSR of soft preempted TE LSP | | | |Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 8] | |draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-08.txt October 2006 | Upon reception of a Resv message with the preemption pending flag | set, the head-end LSR MAY first update the working copy of the TE-DB | before computing a new path (e.g by running CSPF) for the new LSP. In | the case that Diff-Serv [DIFF-MPLS] and MPLS Traffic Engineering | [RSVP-TE] are deployed, receiving preemption pending may imply to a | head-end LSR that the available bandwidth for the affected priority | level and numerically greater priority levels has been exhausted for | the indicated node interface. A head-end LSR MAY choose to reduce or | zero available bandwidth for the implied priority range until more | accurate information is available (i.e. a new IGP TE update is | received). | | Once a new path has been computed, the soft preempted TE LSP is | rerouted using the non traffic disruptive make-before-break | procedure. | | As a result of soft preemption, no traffic will be needlessly black | holed due to mere reservation contention. If loss is to occur, it | will be due only to an actual traffic congestion scenario and | according to the operators Diff-Serv (if Diff-Serv is deployed) and | queuing scheme. | |7. Interoperability | | Backward compatibility should be assured as long as the | implementation followed the recommendations set forth in [RSVP-TE]. | When processing an RRO, unrecognized sub-objects SHOULD be ignored | and passed on. An LSR without soft preemption capabilities but that | followed the aforementioned recommendation will simply ignore the RRO | Preemption Pending flag and treat the Resv message as a regular Resv | refresh message. As a consequence, the soft preempted TE LSP will not | be rerouted with make before break by the head-end LSR. | | As mentioned previously, to guard against a situation where bandwidth | under-provisioning will last forever, a local timer (soft preemption | timer) MUST be started on the preemption node, upon soft preemption. | When this timer expires, the soft preempted TE LSP SHOULD be hard | preempted by sending a PathTear and either a ResvTear or a PathErr | with the 'Path_State_Removed' flag set. This timer SHOULD be | configurable and a default value of 30 seconds is RECOMMENDED. | | It is RECOMMENDED that configuring the default preemption timer to 0 | will cause the implementation to use hard-preemption. | | Soft Preemption as defined in this document is designed for use in | MPLS RSVP-TE enabled IP Networks and may not functionally translate | to some GMPLS technologies. As with backward compatibility, if a | device does not recognize a flag, it should pass the subobject | transparently. | | | |Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 9] | |draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-08.txt October 2006 |8. Management | | Both the point of preemption and the ingress LER SHOULD provide some | form of accounting internally and to the network operator interface | with regard to which TE LSPs and how much capacity is under- | provisioned due to soft preemption. | | Displays of under-provisioning are recommended for the following | midpoint, ingress and egress views: | - Sum of current bandwidth per preemption priority per local | interface | - Sum of current bandwidth total per local interface | - Sum of current bandwidth total local router (ingress, egress, | midpoint) | - List current LSPs and bandwidth in PPend status | - List current sum bandwidth and session count in PPend status per | observed ERO hops (ingress, egress views only). | - Cumulative PPend events per observed ERO hops. | |9. IANA Considerations | | IANA [RFC-IANA] will not need to create a new registry. This document | requires the assignment of flags related to RFC3209 [RSVP-TE] | sections 4.1.1.1, 4.1.1.2, 4.7.1 and 4.7.2. | | IANA will assign RRO IPv4/IPv6 sub-object flags defined in RFC3209 | [RSVP-TE] sec 4.1.1.1 and 4.1.1.2 as detailed in section 4.2 of this | document. | | IANA will assign session attribute flags for both the C-Type 1 and 7 | (defined in RFC3209 [RSVP-TE] sec 4.7.1 and 4.7.2) as detailed in | section 4.1 of this document. | |10. Security Considerations | | This document does not introduce new security issues. The security | considerations pertaining to the original RSVP protocol [RSVP] remain | relevant. | |11. Acknowledgment | | The authors would like to thank Carol Iturralde, Dave Cooper, Loa | Andersson, Arthi Ayyangar, Ina Minei and George Swallow for their | valuable comments. | |12. Intellectual Property Considerations | | The IETF takes no position regarding the validity or scope of any | Intellectual Property Rights or other rights that might be claimed to | pertain to the implementation or use of the technology described in | | |Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 10] | |draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-08.txt October 2006 | this document or the extent to which any license under such rights | might or might not be available; nor does it represent that it has | made any independent effort to identify any such rights. Information | on the procedures with respect to rights in RFC documents can be | found in BCP 78 and BCP 79. | | Copies of IPR disclosures made to the IETF Secretariat and any | assurances of licenses to be made available, or the result of an | attempt made to obtain a general license or permission for the use of | such proprietary rights by implementers or users of this | specification can be obtained from the IETF on-line IPR repository at | http://www.ietf.org/ipr. | | The IETF invites any interested party to bring to its attention any | copyrights, patents or patent applications, or other proprietary | rights that may cover technology that may be required to implement | this standard. Please address the information to the IETF at ietf- | ipr@ietf.org. | |13. References | |13.1 Normative references | | [RFC2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate | Requirement Levels," RFC 2119. | | [RFC-IANA] T. Narten and H. Alvestrand, "Guidelines for Writing an | IANA Considerations Section in RFCs", RFC 2434. | | [MPLS-ARCH] Rosen, Viswanathan, Callon, "Multiprotocol Label | Switching Architecture", RFC3031, January 2001. | | [RSVP] R. Braden, Ed., et al, "Resource ReSerVation protocol (RSVP) - | version 1 functional specification," RFC2205, September 1997. | | [RSVP-TE] Awduche et al, "RSVP-TE: Extensions to RSVP for LSP | Tunnels", RFC3209, December 2001. | |13.2 Informative references | | [REFRESH-REDUCTION] Berger et al, "RSVP Refresh Overhead Reduction | Extensions", RFC 2961, April 2001. | | [FAST-REROUTE] P. Pan, Ed., G. Swallow, Ed., A. Atlas, Ed et al., | "Fast Reroute Extensions to RSVP-TE for LSP Tunnels", RFC 4090, May | 2005. | | [PREEMPT-EXP]De Oliveira, J., Vasseur, JP., Chen, L. and Scoglio, C., | "LSP Preemption Policies for MPLS Traffic Engineering", | daft-deoliviera-diff-te-preemption-02.txt, October 2003. | | |Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 11] | |draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-08.txt October 2006 | | [DIFF-MPLS] Le Faucheur, F., Wu, L., Davie, B., Davari, S., | Vaananen, P., Krishnan, R., Cheval, P. and J. Heinanen, "Multi- | Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) Support of Differentiated Services", | RFC 3270, May 2002. | | |14. Authors' Addresses | | Matthew R. Meyer | Global Crossing | 3133 Indian Valley Tr. | Howell, MI 48855 | USA | email: mrm@gblx.net, matthew.r.meyer@gmail.com | | Denver Maddux | Limelight Networks | USA | email: denver@nitrous.net | | Jean-Philippe Vasseur | CISCO Systems, Inc. | 300 Beaver Brook | Boxborough, MA 01719 | USA | Email: jpv@cisco.com | | Curtis Villamizar | AVICI | curtis@faster-light.net | | Amir Birjandi | Juniper Networks | 2251 corporate park dr ste | herndon, VA 20171 | USA | abirjandi@juniper.net | | | | Full Copyright Statement | | Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2006). This document is subject | to the rights, licenses and restrictions contained in BCP 78, and | except as set forth therein, the authors retain all their rights. | | This document and the information contained herein are provided on an | "AS IS" basis and THE CONTRIBUTOR, THE ORGANIZATION HE/SHE REPRESENTS | | |Meyer, Vasseur et al. [Page 12] | |draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preemption-08.txt October 2006 | OR IS SPONSORED BY (IF ANY), THE INTERNET SOCIETY AND THE INTERNET | ENGINEERING TASK FORCE DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, | INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY THAT THE USE OF THE | INFORMATION HEREIN WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY RIGHTS OR ANY IMPLIED | WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |Meyer, Vasseur et al. 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From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Fri Oct 27 08:47:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdR2y-0004Gl-Q1; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:42:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdR2x-0004Gg-Nl for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:42:51 -0400 Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdR2s-0005ZH-UW for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:42:51 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:42:40 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:42:39 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-autoleaf-02.txt Thread-Index: Acb5wfAqZ6oU8eTxSUyWdin1lL8ucwAABd7Q From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2006 12:42:40.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[6397BCC0:01C6F9C5] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a5d64674af3d12893846a18a44c07b83 Cc: Subject: [mpls] TR: I-D ACTION:draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-autoleaf-02.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2142438060==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2142438060== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6F9C5.62D73184" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6F9C5.62D73184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Find below a new version of the auto-leaf draft that defines IGP extensions for automatic discovery of leaf LSRs. Here are the major changes since last version: -The scope of the Leaf Group has been extended. It now refers to a set of LSRs, acting as leaves of a series of one or more P2MP LSPs. This is to encompass the case where there are several ingress LSRs with same set of leaf LSRs (e.g. TV broadcasting with several regional sources).=20 -The motivations have been clarified. -The TLV format has been modified so as to factorize the leaf address. -Considerations on the number of Leaf Groups and the frequency of changes have been added. It is recommended to implement rate limiting and dampening mechanism so as to avoid any unnaceptable impact on the IGP. -The security section has been detailed. -A new co-author joined the draft. -Plus a few edits for the sake of clarity. We are waiting for comments/feedbacks Best Regards, JL > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=20 > directories. >=20 >=20 > Title : IGP Routing extensions for discovery of P2MP > TE LSP Leaf LSRs > Author(s) : J. Le Roux, et al. > Filename : draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-autoleaf-02.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 2006-10-22 > =09 > In various situations, such as TV broadcasting with several regional=20 > sources, it is required to setup a series of Point-To-MultiPoint=20 > (P2MP) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs) between a >=20 > set of head-end Label Switching Routers (LSRs) and a group of leaf=20 > LSRs referred to as a Leaf Group. Setting up such a series of P2MP > TE=20 > LSPs requires for the set of head-end LSRs to be aware of all leaf=20 > LSRs, which may lead to the cumbersome configuration of a > potentially=20 >=20 > large number of leaf LSRs on each head-end LSRs. Furthermore leaf=20 > LSRs may want to dynamically join or leave a Leaf Group without=20 > requiring manual configuration on the head-end LSRs. This document=20 > specifies IGP routing extensions for IS-IS and OSPF so as to > provide=20 > an automatic discovery of the set of leaf LSRs members of a Leaf=20 > Group, in order to automate the creation and modification of a > series=20 > of P2MP TE-LSPs. >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-autoleaf > -02.txt >=20 > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to=20 > i-d-announce-request at ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body > of=20 > the message.=20 > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce >=20 > to change your subscription settings. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the=20 > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After=20 > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then=20 > "get draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-autoleaf-02.txt". >=20 > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html=20 > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. >=20 > Send a message to: > mailserv at ietf.org. > In the body type: > "FILE > /internet-drafts/draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-autoleaf-02.txt". > =09 > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail > readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. >=20 > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. >=20 > -02.txt> >=20 > ____ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6F9C5.62D73184 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TR: I-D ACTION:draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-autoleaf-02.txt

Hi all,

Find below a = new version of the auto-leaf draft that defines IGP extensions for = automatic discovery of leaf LSRs.

Here are the = major changes since last version:
-The scope of = the Leaf Group has been extended. It now refers to a set of LSRs, acting = as leaves of a series of one or more P2MP LSPs. This is to encompass the = case where there are several ingress LSRs with same set of leaf LSRs = (e.g. TV broadcasting with several regional sources).

-The = motivations have been clarified.
-The TLV = format has been modified so as to factorize the leaf address.
-Considerations on the number of Leaf Groups and the frequency of = changes have been added. It is recommended to implement rate limiting = and dampening mechanism so as to avoid any unnaceptable impact on the = IGP.

-The security = section has been detailed.
-A new = co-author joined the draft.
-Plus a few = edits for the sake of clarity.

We are waiting = for comments/feedbacks

Best = Regards,

JL

    A New Internet-Draft is available = from the on-line Internet-Drafts
    directories.


            Title   =         : IGP Routing extensions for = discovery of P2MP TE LSP Leaf LSRs
            Author(s)       : J. = Le Roux, et al.
            Filename        = : draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-autoleaf-02.txt
            Pages   =         : 12
            Date    =         : 2006-10-22
           =20
    In various situations, such as = TV broadcasting with several regional
       sources, it is = required to setup a series of Point-To-MultiPoint
       (P2MP) Traffic = Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs) between a
       set of head-end = Label Switching Routers (LSRs) and a group of leaf
       LSRs referred to as = a Leaf Group. Setting up such a series of P2MP TE
       LSPs requires for = the set of head-end LSRs to be aware of all leaf
       LSRs, which may = lead to the cumbersome configuration of a potentially

       large number of leaf = LSRs on each head-end LSRs. Furthermore leaf
       LSRs may want to = dynamically join or leave a Leaf Group without
       requiring manual = configuration on the head-end LSRs. This document
       specifies IGP = routing extensions for IS-IS and OSPF so as to provide
       an automatic = discovery of the set of leaf LSRs members of a Leaf
       Group, in order to = automate the creation and modification of a series
       of P2MP = TE-LSPs.

    A URL for this Internet-Draft = is:
    http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-autole= af-02.txt

    To remove yourself from the I-D = Announcement list, send a message to
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    username "anonymous" = and a password of your e-mail address. After
    logging in, type "cd = internet-drafts" and then
    "get = draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-autoleaf-02.txt".

    A list of Internet-Drafts = directories can be found in
    http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html
    or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt

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    Send a message to:
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    In the body type:
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           =20
    NOTE:   The mail = server at ietf.org can return the document in
            MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" = utility.  To use this
            feature, insert the command "ENCODING = mime" before the "FILE"
            command.  To decode the response(s), you will = need "munpack" or
            a MIME-compliant mail reader.  Different = MIME-compliant mail readers
            exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing = with
            "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents = which have been split
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    Below is the data which will = enable a MIME compliant mail reader
    implementation to automatically = retrieve the ASCII version of the
    Internet-Draft.

    <ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-autolea= f-02.txt>

    ____

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At that time, I think that the only remaining item to move forward with the soft preemption ID was to document the circumstances under which TE LSP data/control states are removed, a particular case being related to preemption. Adrian, George and myself thus wrote a short ID (see below), the aim of which is to simply document node behavior upon sending/receiving a Path Error. Comments welcome. Thanks. JP. Begin forwarded message: > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Date: October 23, 2006 2:50:02 AM EDT > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-01.txt > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Node behavior upon originating and receiving Resource > ReserVation Protocol (RSVP) Path Error message > Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. > Filename : draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-01.txt > Pages : 9 > Date : 2006-10-22 > > The aim of this document is to describe a common practice with regard > to the behavior of a node sending a Resource ReserVation Protocol > (RSVP) Path Error message and to the behavior of a node > receiving an > RSVP Path Error message for a particular Multi-Protocol Label > Switching - Traffic Engineering (MPLS-TE) Label Switched Path > (LSP). > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vasseur-mpls-3209- > patherr-01.txt > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > the message. > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-01.txt". > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. > In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-01.txt". > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-ID: <2006-10-22180351.I-D@ietf.org> > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce --Apple-Mail-235--1028151578 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear WG,

I'm sure that some of you = remember the discussion that took place with regards to the definition = of hard versus soft preemption when we discussed the soft-preemption ID = (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mpls-soft-preempt= ion-08.txt).
At that = time, I think that the only remaining item to move forward with the soft = preemption ID was to document the circumstances under which TE LSP = data/control states are removed, a particular case being related to = preemption. Adrian, George and myself thus wrote a short ID (see below), = the aim of which is to simply document node behavior upon = sending/receiving a Path Error.=A0

Comments = welcome.

Thanks.

JP.

Begin = forwarded message:

Date: October 23, 2006 2:50:02 AM = EDT
To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
Subject: = I-D ACTION:draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-01.txt=A0

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line = Internet-Drafts=A0
directories.


Title : Node behavior upon originating = and receiving Resource ReserVation Protocol (RSVP) Path Error = message
Author(s) : J. = Vasseur, et al.
Filename : = draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-01.txt
= Pages = = : 9
Date : 2006-10-22

The aim of = this document is to describe a common practice with regard
=A0=A0 = to the behavior of a node sending a Resource ReserVation = Protocol
=A0=A0 (RSVP) Path Error message = and to the behavior of a node receiving an
=A0=A0 RSVP Path Error message = for a particular Multi-Protocol Label
=A0=A0 Switching - Traffic = Engineering (MPLS-TE) Label Switched Path (LSP).

A URL = for this Internet-Draft is:

To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, = send a message to=A0
i-d-announce-request@ietf.or= g with the word unsubscribe in the body of=A0
the = message.=A0
to = change your subscription settings.

Internet-Drafts are also = available by anonymous FTP. Login with the=A0
username = "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After=A0
logging = in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then=A0
"get = draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-01.txt".

A list of = Internet-Drafts directories can be found in
Internet-Drafts can also be = obtained by e-mail.
Send a message to:
In the body type:
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NOTE: The mail = server at ietf.org can return the document in
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feature, insert the command = "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE"
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exhibit = different behavior, especially when dealing with
"multipart" MIME messages (i.e. = documents which have been split
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Spice up your holdings with A_U_N_I and WIN! _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From akstcaeongroupmnsdgs@aeongroup.com Mon Oct 30 08:32:44 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeXFs-000643-94; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:32:44 -0500 Received: from [221.208.67.203] (helo=billgates) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeXFo-0006XF-T4; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:32:44 -0500 Received: from 207.217.125.16 (HELO mx00-dom.earthlink.net) by lists.ietf.org with esmtp (WMZO16JKJ 78GNX) id OPLK8U-7OW0WK-6V for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2006 13:32:49 -0480 Message-ID: <01c6fc27$e4c61a30$6c822ecf@akstcaeongroupmnsdgs> From: "Olive Hawkins" To: Subject: nursery stock nettle cell Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2006 13:32:49 -0480 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 0f1ff0b0158b41ac6b9548d0972cdd31 as to the possible consequence of her persisting in this interference. from what she had said of her From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Oct 30 09:01:10 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeXbq-0005BA-N3; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:55:26 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeXbp-0005Ak-1S for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:55:25 -0500 Received: from gw.imc.kth.se ([193.10.152.67] helo=oberon.imc.kth.se) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeXbl-0001Lr-Hn for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:55:25 -0500 Received: from mail1.imc.kth.se (mail1.imc.kth.se [193.10.152.140]) by oberon.imc.kth.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UDpfDf006596 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:51:42 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.16.2.203]) by mail1.imc.kth.se with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:54:23 +0100 Message-ID: <45460433.2070106@pi.se> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:54:59 +0100 From: Loa Andersson Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: Subject: [mpls] mpls wg agenda for San Diego X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org All, a preliminary agenda has been uploaded and is found at: http://www1.tools.ietf.org/wg/mpls/agenda It covers all the requests for agenda slots I'm aware of, if I missed or misunderstood anything, please let me know. /Loa -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From nbwxxxek@aznewage.com Mon Oct 30 14:10:17 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GecWX-0006gj-9v; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:10:17 -0500 Received: from cp101863-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl ([84.24.105.117]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GecWJ-0005Vi-Bs; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:10:11 -0500 Received: from 72.22.71.15 (HELO mail.aznewage.com) by lists.ietf.org with esmtp (5J5X2XY1I1JW N16T) id HE23G9-Y1517R-EI for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:10:03 -0060 From: "Elwood Webster" To: Subject: nifty Support Forums Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:10:03 -0060 Message-ID: <01c6fc57$00d7ba10$6c822ecf@nbwxxxek> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Thread-Index: Aca6QYRCSS20Q067BAYW2EQZ5SKLRR== X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c The accumulation of positions by those in the know has shot A_U_N_I up 33% in a few short days. 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From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Oct 31 04:55:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeqGr-0006lU-19; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:51:01 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeqGp-0006l9-2T for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:50:59 -0500 Received: from mx2.lb.mrv.com ([66.43.110.200] helo=chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeqGn-0005pO-HZ for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:50:59 -0500 Received: from chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (127.0.0.1) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (MlfMTA v3.2r1b3) id h8se2s0171se for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:49:29 -0800 (envelope-from ) Received: from chmailsrv.int.mrv.com ([192.168.11.19]) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (SonicWALL 5.0.0.8239) with ESMTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:49:29 -0800 Received: from zeus.yok.int.mrv.com ([172.21.9.11]) by chmailsrv.int.mrv.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:50:52 -0800 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:50:46 +0200 Message-ID: <685D66DF6DB563459D23ECD8B30C73A40CD40D@zeus.yok.int.mrv.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Two Questions about LSP-ping/traceroute (RFC 4379) Thread-Index: Acb80gmamYYPNRFXSQ+1EveWjCsQSQ== From: "Asaf Henig" To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2006 09:50:52.0183 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D395270:01C6FCD2] X-Mlf-Version: 5.0.0.8239 X-Mlf-UniqueId: o200610310949290075620 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a8a20a483a84f747e56475e290ee868e Cc: Subject: [mpls] Two Questions about LSP-ping/traceroute (RFC 4379) X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1280498811==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1280498811== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCD2.09A1618E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCD2.09A1618E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) How should LSP-ping deal with PHP mode (penultimate-hop-popping) ? Suppose I am sending an mpls echo request packet to check a regular lsp = and the packet is sent with the proper label X (shimmed between L2 and = L3) and a FEC Stack TLV which includes a LDP-IpV4 sub-tlv. This packet may reach its destination, some egress LER Y, without any = shimmed label due to the use of=20 PHP mode. Section 4.2 in RFC 4379 suggest that we use Nil-FEC sub-TLV to = account for the missing Label that was popped. The question is which LSR = insert this Nil-FEC. Note that the LER that initiated the echo-request = doesn't know in advance if the label is going to be popped at the = penultimate LSR. Moreover the penultimate LSR it self cannot add this = FEC since it has no trigger to process the packet as he recieves a = regular labeled packet and simply performs a popping and forwarding = procedures. ? It is furthermore unclear wether in this case we should also use = Explicite Null label (label 0) or not?.=20 2) Checking Pseudowires (Virtual-Circuits) using mpls-Ping. Though regular mpls-ping, as mentioned in RFC 4379, supports the = checking of a pseudowire using the proper sub-tlv FECs and labels, some = vendors have decided to use VCCV (draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv) for such = checking. It is unclear to me wether Interoperability here will work. In = otherwords, if one vendor, for example, sends a regular FEC128 = mpls-echo-request packet (without signaling VCCV first) to a vendor = supporting VCCV is this packet going to be processed and would = echo-reply be sent ?. Thanks for any help. Asaf Henig=20 MRV communications. =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCD2.09A1618E Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Two Questions about LSP-ping/traceroute (RFC 4379)

1) How should LSP-ping deal with PHP mode = (penultimate-hop-popping) ?

Suppose I am sending an mpls echo request packet to check a regular lsp = and the packet is sent with the proper label X (shimmed between L2 and = L3) and a FEC Stack TLV which includes a LDP-IpV4 sub-tlv.
This packet may reach its destination, some egress LER Y, without any = shimmed label due to the use of
PHP mode. Section 4.2 in RFC 4379 suggest that we use Nil-FEC sub-TLV to = account for the missing Label that was popped. The question is which LSR = insert this Nil-FEC. Note that the LER that initiated the echo-request = doesn't know in advance if the label is going to be popped at the = penultimate LSR. Moreover the penultimate LSR it self cannot add this = FEC since it has no trigger to process the packet as he recieves a = regular labeled packet and simply performs a popping and forwarding = procedures. ?
It is furthermore unclear wether in this case we should also use = Explicite Null label (label 0) or not?.

2) Checking Pseudowires (Virtual-Circuits) using mpls-Ping.

Though regular mpls-ping, as mentioned in RFC 4379, supports the = checking of a pseudowire using the proper sub-tlv FECs and labels, some = vendors have decided to use VCCV (draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv) for such = checking.
It is unclear to me wether Interoperability here will work. In = otherwords, if one vendor, for example,  sends a regular FEC128 = mpls-echo-request packet (without signaling VCCV first) to a vendor = supporting VCCV is this packet going to be processed and would = echo-reply be sent ?.

Thanks for any help.

Asaf Henig
MRV communications.     
 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCD2.09A1618E-- --===============1280498811== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============1280498811==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Oct 31 04:55:52 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeqGr-0006la-Mn; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:51:01 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeqGp-0006lA-2T; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:50:59 -0500 Received: from mx2.lb.mrv.com ([66.43.110.200] helo=chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeqGn-0005pM-HZ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:50:59 -0500 Received: from chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (127.0.0.1) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (MlfMTA v3.2r1b3) id h8se2s0171se; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:49:29 -0800 (envelope-from ) Received: from chmailsrv.int.mrv.com ([192.168.11.19]) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (SonicWALL 5.0.0.8239) with ESMTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:49:29 -0800 Received: from zeus.yok.int.mrv.com ([172.21.9.11]) by chmailsrv.int.mrv.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:50:52 -0800 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:50:46 +0200 Message-ID: <685D66DF6DB563459D23ECD8B30C73A40CD40D@zeus.yok.int.mrv.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Two Questions about LSP-ping/traceroute (RFC 4379) Thread-Index: Acb80gmamYYPNRFXSQ+1EveWjCsQSQ== From: "Asaf Henig" To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2006 09:50:52.0183 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D395270:01C6FCD2] X-Mlf-Version: 5.0.0.8239 X-Mlf-UniqueId: o200610310949290075620 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a8a20a483a84f747e56475e290ee868e Cc: Subject: [mpls] Two Questions about LSP-ping/traceroute (RFC 4379) X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1313093279==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1313093279== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCD2.09A1618E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCD2.09A1618E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) How should LSP-ping deal with PHP mode (penultimate-hop-popping) ? Suppose I am sending an mpls echo request packet to check a regular lsp = and the packet is sent with the proper label X (shimmed between L2 and = L3) and a FEC Stack TLV which includes a LDP-IpV4 sub-tlv. This packet may reach its destination, some egress LER Y, without any = shimmed label due to the use of=20 PHP mode. Section 4.2 in RFC 4379 suggest that we use Nil-FEC sub-TLV to = account for the missing Label that was popped. The question is which LSR = insert this Nil-FEC. Note that the LER that initiated the echo-request = doesn't know in advance if the label is going to be popped at the = penultimate LSR. Moreover the penultimate LSR it self cannot add this = FEC since it has no trigger to process the packet as he recieves a = regular labeled packet and simply performs a popping and forwarding = procedures. ? It is furthermore unclear wether in this case we should also use = Explicite Null label (label 0) or not?.=20 2) Checking Pseudowires (Virtual-Circuits) using mpls-Ping. Though regular mpls-ping, as mentioned in RFC 4379, supports the = checking of a pseudowire using the proper sub-tlv FECs and labels, some = vendors have decided to use VCCV (draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv) for such = checking. It is unclear to me wether Interoperability here will work. In = otherwords, if one vendor, for example, sends a regular FEC128 = mpls-echo-request packet (without signaling VCCV first) to a vendor = supporting VCCV is this packet going to be processed and would = echo-reply be sent ?. Thanks for any help. Asaf Henig=20 MRV communications. =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCD2.09A1618E Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Two Questions about LSP-ping/traceroute (RFC 4379)

1) How should LSP-ping deal with PHP mode = (penultimate-hop-popping) ?

Suppose I am sending an mpls echo request packet to check a regular lsp = and the packet is sent with the proper label X (shimmed between L2 and = L3) and a FEC Stack TLV which includes a LDP-IpV4 sub-tlv.
This packet may reach its destination, some egress LER Y, without any = shimmed label due to the use of
PHP mode. Section 4.2 in RFC 4379 suggest that we use Nil-FEC sub-TLV to = account for the missing Label that was popped. The question is which LSR = insert this Nil-FEC. Note that the LER that initiated the echo-request = doesn't know in advance if the label is going to be popped at the = penultimate LSR. Moreover the penultimate LSR it self cannot add this = FEC since it has no trigger to process the packet as he recieves a = regular labeled packet and simply performs a popping and forwarding = procedures. ?
It is furthermore unclear wether in this case we should also use = Explicite Null label (label 0) or not?.

2) Checking Pseudowires (Virtual-Circuits) using mpls-Ping.

Though regular mpls-ping, as mentioned in RFC 4379, supports the = checking of a pseudowire using the proper sub-tlv FECs and labels, some = vendors have decided to use VCCV (draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv) for such = checking.
It is unclear to me wether Interoperability here will work. In = otherwords, if one vendor, for example,  sends a regular FEC128 = mpls-echo-request packet (without signaling VCCV first) to a vendor = supporting VCCV is this packet going to be processed and would = echo-reply be sent ?.

Thanks for any help.

Asaf Henig
MRV communications.     
 

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Nov 2006 17:26:35 -0060 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: mpuab - 1.3 X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 were not worth the paper they were written on, and that others wereThe growth of young Frank Algernon Cowperwood was through years of whatknew a number of the more prosperous merchants who dealt with his bank,end of the business. He wanted to know where all the types of money came Please read this letter attentively. Tailor AquaPonics is going to explode! It will grow up to 70% Company: TAILOR AQUAPONICS Stock symbol: TQWW.PK Current price: 0.07$ Expected price: 0.26$ Check this inside news. It will be published on MARKETWIRE on the 1st of November 2006 Hot news: TQWW.PK is going to conquer the US market. They’re coming to America!!! Tailor AquaPonics recently announced plans to expand its operational facilities to the United States. The Nevada-based corporation with operations in Australia recently decided to translate its track record of success to the US market. TQWW.PK President Ron Almadova stated, "Our intention is to set up in southern Nevada to capitalize in the Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Diego Markets...There are more persons in that triangle than in the whole Australia. Now that we have the board approval, we have pinpointed several possible locations that would serve our delivery profile." After the publishig of that news TQWW.PK will grow constantly for 3-4 weeks. Buy it now cause it is still cheap and you can enter almost for free. About Tailor AquaPonics Worldwide: Tailor AquaPonics Worldwide, Inc. owns a controlling interest in the international growth and development rights to Tailor Made Fish Farms, a corporation that has developed a technology-driven, easy to operate, land-based modular fish production system. This cutting-edge system is both sustainable and environmentally responsible in keeping with the spirit of maintaining an environmentally safe and friendly solution while producing high volumes of superior and healthier farmed fish. This allows an overwhelming production of 'year-round' premium quality fish and vegetables, achieved through compact and controlled production areas using much less water than conventional methods. Our technique conserves water, is environmentally responsible, fresh health products and provides two crops from a single water uptake. P.S Rumor has it that 2 Million shares have already been sold that are NOT accounted for in DTC, if your familar with this term it is called a "SHORT SQUEEZE". We will be mailing TQWW.PK for the next 3 weeks and the price will grow. It is your unique chance to double or triple your investments next week. glad to explain so that even at this early age--from ten to