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Hi Loa,

The new revision accounting for all comments during LC received by  
Daniel King, Adrian, Acee, Loa ... has been posted: http:// 
www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-03.txt

Thanks.

JP.

On Sep 1, 2006, at 4:08 AM, Loa Andersson wrote:

> Working Group,
>
> this initiates a two week working group last call on
> draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt
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> The wg last call ends on September 17.
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> Please send comments to the working group mailing list and/or
> the working group chairs.
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> /Loa and George
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This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: A Link-Type sub-TLV to convey the number of
                          Traffic Engineering Label Switch Paths 
                          signalled signalled with zero reserved bandwidth across a link
	Author(s)	: J. Vasseur, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-03.txt
	Pages		: 9
	Date		: 2006-12-1
	
Several Link-type sub-TLVs have been defined for OSPF and ISIS in the    context of Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering
   (TE) in order to advertise some link characteristics such as the
   available bandwidth, traffic engineering metric, administrative group
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Hi..

  Can you please give me an insight as to how label space (per interface or
per platform) is configured in a LSR i.e. what all considerations need to be
taken into account:

for 2 cases-
    -LSR consisting of only ethernet ports
    -LSR consisting of both ATM and ethernet interfaces

thanks and regards,
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Hi..<br><br>&nbsp; Can you please give me an insight as to how label space (per interface or per platform) is configured in a LSR i.e. what all considerations need to be taken into account:<br><br>for 2 cases- <br>&nbsp; &nbsp; -LSR consisting of only ethernet ports 
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -LSR consisting of both ATM and ethernet interfaces<br><br>thanks and regards,<br>Shilpa<br>

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Hi..

  Can you please give me an insight as to how label space (per interface or
per platform) is configured in a LSR i.e. what all considerations need to be
taken into account:

for 2 cases-
    -LSR consisting of only ethernet ports
    -LSR consisting of both ATM and ethernet interfaces

thanks and regards,
Shilpa

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Hi..<br><br>&nbsp; Can you please give me an insight as to how label space (per interface or per platform) is configured in a LSR i.e. what all considerations need to be taken into account:<br><br>for 2 cases- <br>&nbsp; &nbsp; -LSR consisting of only ethernet ports 
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -LSR consisting of both ATM and ethernet interfaces<br><br>thanks and regards,<br>Shilpa<br>

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This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: A Link-Type sub-TLV to convey the number of 
                          Traffic Engineering Label Switch Paths 
                          signalled signalled with zero reserved bandwidth across a link
	Author(s)	: J. Vasseur, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-04.txt
	Pages		: 9
	Date		: 2006-12-8
	
Several Link-type sub-TLVs have been defined for OSPF and ISIS in the
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   (TE) in order to advertise some link characteristics such as the
   available bandwidth, traffic engineering metric, administrative group
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Hi Shilpa,
=20
Perhaps RFC 3036 could be a guideline ? In section 2.2.2, it says the
follwoing:
=20
2.2.2. LDP Identifiers
=20
   An LDP identifier is a six octet quantity used to identify an LSR
   label space.  The first four octets identify the LSR and must be a
   globally unique value, such as a 32-bit router Id assigned to the
   LSR.  The last two octets identify a specific label space within the
   LSR.  The last two octets of LDP Identifiers for platform-wide label
   spaces are always both zero.  This document uses the following print
   representation for LDP Identifiers:
=20
             <LSR Id> : <label space id>
=20
   e.g., lsr171:0, lsr19:2.
=20
   Note that an LSR that manages and advertises multiple label spaces
   uses a different LDP Identifier for each such label space.
=20
   A situation where an LSR would need to advertise more than one label
   space to a peer and hence use more than one LDP Identifier occurs
   when the LSR has two links to the peer and both are ATM (and use per
   interface labels).  Another situation would be where the LSR had two
   links to the peer, one of which is ethernet (and uses per platform
   labels) and the other of which is ATM.
=20
Cheers
=20
santanu
=20
Santanu Ganguly
Swisscom Fixnet Wholesale=20
Binz Ring 17
Zurich
Switzerland

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From: shilpa goel [mailto:shilpa07@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 6:24 AM
To: mpls@uu.net; mpls-ops@mplsrc.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: [mpls] label space configuration


Hi..

  Can you please give me an insight as to how label space (per interface
or per platform) is configured in a LSR i.e. what all considerations
need to be taken into account:

for 2 cases-=20
    -LSR consisting of only ethernet ports=20
    -LSR consisting of both ATM and ethernet interfaces

thanks and regards,
Shilpa


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Hi,

 Thanks for the clarification. I still have 2 doubts in this.

Firstly, what is meant by the line  'as the router knows about all of
them'?  (2nd para)

Also, this is clear that for ATM, interface label space should be used but
why should platform wide labelling be used in an Ethernet configuration i.e.
why can't we use interface label space for ethernet also thereby seeking the
same advantage as we are getting for ATM?

thanks,
Shilpa

On 12/4/06, Roger Williams (rogwilli) <rogwilli@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>  Shilpa, platform-wide labeling is used in an Ethernet configuration,
> whereas port or interface lablespace is used for ATM.
>
> Basically what that means is that for Ethernet a given router advertises
> its whole self with one label upstream. All ports would be covered under
> that single label advertisement, as the router knows about all of them. And
> it is done as soon as the underlying IGP routing protocol knows there are
> routes to be labeled, not waiting for the demands of traffic to build label
> paths.
>
> With ATM the doling out of labels is much more conservative, and done only
> when requested by traffic demand. The reason for this is the limited number
> of VCs that an ATM switch can support (I think 4096). The labels point to a
> VC underneath it all. Since there is no routing done at the Layer 2 of an
> ATM switch, each label is used as a per-interface advertisement, which
> effectively is a per-VC advertisement.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Roger.
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* shilpa goel [mailto:shilpa07@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2006 12:24 AM
> *To:* mpls@uu.net; mpls-ops@mplsrc.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org
> *Subject:* [MPLS-OPS]: label space configuration
>
> Hi..
>
>   Can you please give me an insight as to how label space (per interface
> or per platform) is configured in a LSR i.e. what all considerations need
> to be taken into account:
>
> for 2 cases-
>     -LSR consisting of only ethernet ports
>     -LSR consisting of both ATM and ethernet interfaces
>
> thanks and regards,
> Shilpa
>

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Hi,<br><br>&nbsp;Thanks for the clarification. I still have 2 doubts in this.<br><br>Firstly, what is meant by the line&nbsp; 'as the router knows about all of them'?&nbsp; (2nd para)<br><br>Also, this is clear that for ATM, interface label space should be used but why should platform wide labelling be used in an Ethernet configuration 
i.e. why can't we use interface label space for ethernet also thereby seeking the same advantage as we are getting for ATM?<br><br>thanks,<br>Shilpa<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 12/4/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">
Roger Williams (rogwilli)</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:rogwilli@cisco.com">rogwilli@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">




<div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff">Shilpa, platform-wide labeling is used in an Ethernet 
configuration, whereas port or interface lablespace is used for ATM. 
</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff">Basically what that means is that for Ethernet a given router 
advertises its whole self with one label upstream. All ports would be covered 
under that single label advertisement, as the router knows about all of them. 
And it is done as soon as the underlying IGP routing protocol knows there are 
routes to be labeled, not waiting for the demands of traffic to build label 
paths. </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff">With 
ATM the doling out of labels is much more conservative, and done only when 
requested by traffic demand. The reason for this is the limited number of VCs 
that an ATM switch can support (I think 4096). The labels point to a VC 
underneath it all. Since there is no routing done at the Layer 2 of an ATM 
switch, each label is used as a per-interface advertisement, which effectively 
is a per-VC advertisement.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff">I 
hope that helps.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff">Roger.</font></span></div><br>
<div dir="ltr" align="left" lang="en-us">
<hr>
<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> shilpa goel [mailto:<a href="mailto:shilpa07@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">shilpa07@gmail.com</a>] 
<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 04, 2006 12:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mpls@uu.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">mpls@uu.net</a>; 
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mpls@lists.ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [MPLS-OPS]: label 
space configuration<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>Hi..<br><br>&nbsp; Can you please give me an insight as to how label 
space (per interface or per platform) is configured in a LSR i.e. what all 
considerations need to be taken into account:<br><br>for 2 cases- <br>&nbsp; 
&nbsp; -LSR consisting of only ethernet ports <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -LSR 
consisting of both ATM and ethernet interfaces<br><br>thanks and 
regards,<br>Shilpa<br></div>

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Working Group,

we have a small draft "draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-04"
that is about ready to be sent to the IESG.

The draft has been updated after working group last call (though
we are aware of a couple of small editorial nits, e.g. repeated
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Hi,
 Is it assumed that  LSR counts both p2mp and p2p TE-LSPs?
Should we count them separetely?
IMO, counting them seperately might help as traffic characteristics are
different for unicast and multicast.
Thanks,
Ravi.

On 12/12/06, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.se> wrote:
>
> Working Group,
>
> we have a small draft "draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-04"
> that is about ready to be sent to the IESG.
>
> The draft has been updated after working group last call (though
> we are aware of a couple of small editorial nits, e.g. repeated
> words in the title).
>
> This mails start a one week working last call to verify that
> all comments been addressed and that there are no outstanding
> issues, i.e. if you are happy with the draft you don't need
> to respond.
>
> Loa and George.
>
> --
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>
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> Isafjordsgatan 22                  mobile: +46 739 81 21 64
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<div>Hi,</div>
<div>&nbsp;Is it assumed that&nbsp;&nbsp;LSR counts both&nbsp;p2mp and p2p TE-LSPs? </div>
<div>Should we count them separetely?&nbsp; </div>
<div>IMO, counting&nbsp;them seperately&nbsp;might help as traffic characteristics are different for unicast and multicast.</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Ravi.<br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 12/12/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Loa Andersson</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:loa@pi.se">loa@pi.se</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Working Group,<br><br>we have a small draft &quot;draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-04&quot;<br>that is about ready to be sent to the IESG.
<br><br>The draft has been updated after working group last call (though<br>we are aware of a couple of small editorial nits, e.g. repeated<br>words in the title).<br><br>This mails start a one week working last call to verify that
<br>all comments been addressed and that there are no outstanding<br>issues, i.e. if you are happy with the draft you don't need<br>to respond.<br><br>Loa and George.<br><br>--<br>Loa Andersson<br><br>Principal Networking Architect
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Hi Ravi,

On Dec 12, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Raveendra Torvi wrote:

> Hi,
>  Is it assumed that  LSR counts both p2mp and p2p TE-LSPs?
> Should we count them separetely?
> IMO, counting them seperately might help as traffic characteristics  
> are different for unicast and multicast.
>

The TLVs report the number of TE LSPs (P2P and P2MP), no plan to have  
two separate TLVs.

Thanks.

JP.

> Thanks,
> Ravi.
>
> On 12/12/06, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.se> wrote:
> Working Group,
>
> we have a small draft "draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-04"
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>
> The draft has been updated after working group last call (though
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>
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> Loa and George.
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>
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RFC 3031 limits the MPLS architecture to downstream assigned MPLS
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Several Link-type sub-TLVs have been defined for OSPF and IS-IS in
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This memo defines an extension object that can be appended to
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All,

we have three documents there the authors have requested
that they become working group documents. All three were
on the agenda in San Diego and we registered support for
the documents.

Please respond to the mailing list within a week whether
you think they should be made working group docs or not.

The documents are:


draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt

draft-nadeau-rfc4379-bis-link-bundle-00.txt

and

draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-00

/Loa and George

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In favor for the three documents.

Thanks.,

JP.

On Dec 13, 2006, at 7:52 AM, Loa Andersson wrote:

> All,
>
> we have three documents there the authors have requested
> that they become working group documents. All three were
> on the agenda in San Diego and we registered support for
> the documents.
>
> Please respond to the mailing list within a week whether
> you think they should be made working group docs or not.
>
> The documents are:
>
>
> draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt
>
> draft-nadeau-rfc4379-bis-link-bundle-00.txt
>
> and
>
> draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-00
>
> /Loa and George
>
> -- 
> Loa Andersson
>
> Principal Networking Architect
> Acreo AB                           phone:  +46 8 632 77 14
> Isafjordsgatan 22                  mobile: +46 739 81 21 64
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>                                            loa@pi.se
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In favor for all-=20

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> -----Original Message-----
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> All,
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> agenda in San Diego and we registered support for the documents.
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> Please respond to the mailing list within a week whether you=20
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> The documents are:
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>=20
> draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt
>=20
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> and
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> /Loa and George
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Subject: [mpls] polling for three new working group documents

All,

we have three documents there the authors have requested that they
become working group documents. All three were on the agenda in San
Diego and we registered support for the documents.

Please respond to the mailing list within a week whether you think they
should be made working group docs or not.

The documents are:


draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt

draft-nadeau-rfc4379-bis-link-bundle-00.txt

and

draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-00

/Loa and George

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Principal Networking Architect
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Loa Andersson <mailto:loa@pi.se> wrote:
> we have three documents there the authors have requested that
> they become working group documents. All three were on the
> agenda in San Diego and we registered support for the documents.
>=20
> Please respond to the mailing list within a week whether you
> think they should be made working group docs or not.
>=20
> draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt

Support.

> draft-nadeau-rfc4379-bis-link-bundle-00.txt

Support.

> and
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> draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-00

Abstain.

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Hi Shilpa,
=20
1) I suspect what Roger means by 'as the router knows about all of them'
is the following:
=20
Generally speaking ther are 2 types of label spaces, as we all know:
Per-Interface & Per-Platform. Per-platform assigns labels=20
from a platform-wide pool of labels and  uses resources that are shared
across the platform. Hop-by-hop best-effort IP/MPLS=20
forwarding is an example of using the per-platform label space....
=20
Frame based MPLS interfaces ( POS, Ethernet, fast Ethernet etc...:) use
a per-platform label space , which basically means that the label space
is router-wide and assigned from a unique pool of labels in the LSR; the
label can used on ANY interface. The LFIB has no information about the
incoming interfaces ( i think...:-))
=20
However, the nature of the labels dolled out on LC-ATM interfaces stops
us from using per-paltform label space. 2 LC-ATM interfaces can use the
same VPI/VCI pair as a label. As such , LC-ATM interfaces use
per-interface labels which has non-zero label space ID.
=20
Note : In some router platforms it is possible to manually configure
something like a "mpls ldp label-space-id < ID number> " on frame based
interfaces if indeed this becomes an issue...in case a labe-space is not
defined it takes the deafult value ( 0 for ethernet)...
=20
2) Consider the scenario of 2 routers connected back to back via 2 links
of Etherent. Without the present definition of Etherenet=20
label space, they will open up 2 different LDP sessions, for which they
may require to open up 2 TCP sessions..., which really=20
would be unnecessary....maybe :-)
=20
3) As far as I know, historically speaking, IETF developed a series of
solutions for various Layer 2 VPN applications including=20
pseudowire emulations. I think Cisco Systems also has developed an
alternate pseudowire emulation ( L2TPv3 ?)...I am sure there=20
are enough "cisco.com " email addresses here in this forum to correct me
if I am wrong or to elaborate on this if i am not :-)
=20
Cheers :-)
=20
santanu
=20
Santanu Ganguly
Swisscom Fixnet Wholesale=20
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From: shilpa goel [mailto:shilpa07@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:03 AM
To: Roger Williams (rogwilli); mpls@UU.NET; mpls-ops@mplsrc.com
Subject: [mpls] Re: [MPLS-OPS]: label space configuration


Hi,

 Thanks for the clarification. I still have 2 doubts in this.

Firstly, what is meant by the line  'as the router knows about all of
them'?  (2nd para)

Also, this is clear that for ATM, interface label space should be used
but why should platform wide labelling be used in an Ethernet
configuration i.e. why can't we use interface label space for ethernet
also thereby seeking the same advantage as we are getting for ATM?

thanks,
Shilpa


On 12/4/06, Roger Williams (rogwilli) <rogwilli@cisco.com> wrote:=20

	Shilpa, platform-wide labeling is used in an Ethernet
configuration, whereas port or interface lablespace is used for ATM.=20
	=20
	Basically what that means is that for Ethernet a given router
advertises its whole self with one label upstream. All ports would be
covered under that single label advertisement, as the router knows about
all of them. And it is done as soon as the underlying IGP routing
protocol knows there are routes to be labeled, not waiting for the
demands of traffic to build label paths.=20
	=20
	With ATM the doling out of labels is much more conservative, and
done only when requested by traffic demand. The reason for this is the
limited number of VCs that an ATM switch can support (I think 4096). The
labels point to a VC underneath it all. Since there is no routing done
at the Layer 2 of an ATM switch, each label is used as a per-interface
advertisement, which effectively is a per-VC advertisement.
	=20
	I hope that helps.
	=20
	Roger.

________________________________

	From: shilpa goel [mailto:shilpa07@gmail.com]=20
	Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:24 AM
	To: mpls@uu.net; mpls-ops@mplsrc.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org
	Subject: [MPLS-OPS]: label space configuration
=09
=09
	Hi..
=09
	  Can you please give me an insight as to how label space (per
interface or per platform) is configured in a LSR i.e. what all
considerations need to be taken into account:
=09
	for 2 cases-=20
	    -LSR consisting of only ethernet ports=20
	    -LSR consisting of both ATM and ethernet interfaces
=09
	thanks and regards,
	Shilpa
=09



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best-effort IP/MPLS </FONT></DIV>
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interfaces (=20
POS, Ethernet, fast Ethernet etc...:) use a per-platform label space , =
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basically means that the label space is router-wide and assigned from a =
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ID.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Note : In some =
router platforms=20
it is possible to manually configure something like a "mpls ldp =
label-space-id=20
&lt; ID number&gt; " on frame based interfaces if indeed this becomes an =

issue...in case a labe-space is not defined it takes the deafult value ( =
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ethernet)...</FONT></DIV>
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they will open up 2=20
different LDP sessions, for which they may require to open up 2 TCP =
sessions...,=20
which really </FONT></DIV>
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unnecessary....maybe=20
:-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3) As far as I =
know,=20
historically speaking, IETF developed a series of solutions for various =
Layer 2=20
VPN applications including </FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>pseudowire =
emulations. I think=20
Cisco Systems also has developed an alternate pseudowire emulation ( =
L2TPv3=20
?)...I am sure there </FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>are enough =
"cisco.com " email=20
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Ganguly</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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Fixnet Wholesale </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> shilpa goel =
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<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:03 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Roger =
Williams=20
(rogwilli); mpls@UU.NET; mpls-ops@mplsrc.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [mpls] =
Re:=20
[MPLS-OPS]: label space configuration<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>&nbsp;Thanks for the clarification. I still have 2 =
doubts=20
in this.<BR><BR>Firstly, what is meant by the line&nbsp; 'as the router =
knows=20
about all of them'?&nbsp; (2nd para)<BR><BR>Also, this is clear that for =
ATM,=20
interface label space should be used but why should platform wide =
labelling be=20
used in an Ethernet configuration i.e. why can't we use interface label =
space=20
for ethernet also thereby seeking the same advantage as we are getting =
for=20
ATM?<BR><BR>thanks,<BR>Shilpa<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dgmail_quote>On 12/4/06, <B =
class=3Dgmail_sendername>Roger=20
Williams (rogwilli)</B> &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:rogwilli@cisco.com">rogwilli@cisco.com</A>&gt; =
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Shilpa, =
platform-wide=20
  labeling is used in an Ethernet configuration, whereas port or =
interface=20
  lablespace is used for ATM. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Basically what =
that means is=20
  that for Ethernet a given router advertises its whole self with one =
label=20
  upstream. All ports would be covered under that single label =
advertisement, as=20
  the router knows about all of them. And it is done as soon as the =
underlying=20
  IGP routing protocol knows there are routes to be labeled, not waiting =
for the=20
  demands of traffic to build label paths. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN><FONT color=3D#0000ff>With ATM the =
doling out of=20
  labels is much more conservative, and done only when requested by =
traffic=20
  demand. The reason for this is the limited number of VCs that an ATM =
switch=20
  can support (I think 4096). The labels point to a VC underneath it =
all. Since=20
  there is no routing done at the Layer 2 of an ATM switch, each label =
is used=20
  as a per-interface advertisement, which effectively is a per-VC=20
  advertisement.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN><FONT color=3D#0000ff>I hope that=20
  helps.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff>Roger.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
  <DIV lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
  <HR>
  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> shilpa goel [mailto:<A=20
  onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
  href=3D"mailto:shilpa07@gmail.com" =
target=3D_blank>shilpa07@gmail.com</A>]=20
  <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 04, 2006 12:24 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
  onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
  href=3D"mailto:mpls@uu.net" target=3D_blank>mpls@uu.net</A>; <A=20
  onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
  href=3D"mailto:mpls-ops@mplsrc.com" =
target=3D_blank>mpls-ops@mplsrc.com</A>; <A=20
  onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"=20
  href=3D"mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org"=20
  target=3D_blank>mpls@lists.ietf.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [MPLS-OPS]: =
label=20
  space configuration<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>Hi..<BR><BR>&nbsp; Can you please give me an insight as to =
how=20
  label space (per interface or per platform) is configured in a LSR =
i.e. what=20
  all considerations need to be taken into account:<BR><BR>for 2 cases-=20
  <BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; -LSR consisting of only ethernet ports=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -LSR consisting of both ATM and ethernet=20
  interfaces<BR><BR>thanks and=20
regards,<BR>Shilpa<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>

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Santanu.Ganguly@swisscom.com wrote:
> Hi Shilpa,
>  
> 1) I suspect what Roger means by 'as the router knows about all of 
> them' is the following:
>  
> Generally speaking ther are 2 types of label spaces, as we all know: 
> Per-Interface & Per-Platform. Per-platform assigns labels
> from a platform-wide pool of labels and  uses resources that are 
> shared across the platform. Hop-by-hop best-effort IP/MPLS
> forwarding is an example of using the per-platform label space....
>  
> Frame based MPLS interfaces ( POS, Ethernet, fast Ethernet etc...:) 
> use a per-platform label space , which basically means that the label 
> space is router-wide and assigned from a unique pool of labels in the 
> LSR; the label can used on ANY interface. The LFIB has no information 
> about the incoming interfaces ( i think...:-))
>  
> *However*, the nature of the labels dolled out on LC-ATM 
> interfaces stops us from using per-paltform label space. 2 LC-ATM 
> interfaces can use the same VPI/VCI pair as a label. As such , LC-ATM 
> interfaces use per-interface labels which has non-zero label space ID.

Note, however, that there is nothing in any standard mandating a 
platform label space for Ethernet/POS or a per-interface label space for 
LC-ATM.

Depending on the forwarding architecture (a centralized forwarding 
engine vs. one distributed across all port-cards), it may make more 
sense for a switch to use per-interface labels for Ethernet/POS, or 
platform labels for LC-ATM.  This is perfectly legal.

While it is important to be aware of the different type of label spaces, 
and to know what is commonly used, you should not assume that "common" 
means "universally mandated".

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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Santanu.Ganguly@swisscom.com">Santanu.Ganguly@swisscom.com</a> wrote:
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  <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi Shilpa,</font></div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2">1) I suspect
what Roger means by 'as the router knows about all of them' is the
following:</font></div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2">Generally
speaking ther are 2 types of label spaces, as we all know:
Per-Interface &amp; Per-Platform. Per-platform assigns labels </font></div>
  <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2">from a
platform-wide pool of labels and&nbsp; uses resources that are shared across
the platform. Hop-by-hop best-effort IP/MPLS </font></div>
  <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2">forwarding is
an example of using the per-platform label space....</font></div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2">Frame based
MPLS interfaces ( POS, Ethernet, fast Ethernet etc...:) use a
per-platform label space , which basically means that the label space
is router-wide and assigned from a unique pool of labels in the LSR;
the label can used on ANY interface. The LFIB has no information about
the incoming interfaces ( i think...:-))</font></div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><strong>However</strong>,
the nature of the labels dolled out on LC-ATM interfaces&nbsp;<span
 class="946270609-14122006">stops us from</span>&nbsp;using per-paltform
label space. 2 LC-ATM interfaces can use the same VPI/VCI pair as a
label. As such , LC-ATM interfaces use per-interface labels which has
non-zero label space ID.</font></font></div>
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Note, however, that there is nothing in any standard mandating a
platform label space for Ethernet/POS or a per-interface label space
for LC-ATM.<br>
<br>
Depending on the forwarding architecture (a centralized forwarding
engine vs. one distributed across all port-cards), it may make more
sense for a switch to use per-interface labels for Ethernet/POS, or
platform labels for LC-ATM.&nbsp; This is perfectly legal.<br>
<br>
While it is important to be aware of the different type of label
spaces, and to know what is commonly used, you should not assume that
"common" means "universally mandated".<br>
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In  San  Diego  I  expressed some  concerns  about  draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-
interarea, and Loa asked me to write them up for this list. 

I certainly can't say  at this time that the draft just  won't work, but I'm
not currently convinced that the complexity is fully understood, or that the
proposed procedures will really achieve all their goals.

A summary of my concerns is the following:

- The draft purports to be making a simple change to the LDP procedures, but
  I believe  it's actually a  fairly involved change to  the implementation.
  In particular the interaction between routing, LDP, and the maintenance of
  the forwarding  tables is made more  complicated, but the  details are not
  fully specified. 

- The draft  has LDP put prefixes  into the forwarding table  that would not
  otherwise  be there.   Currently, LDP  doesn't do  this, it  just  puts in
  labels for prefixes that have  been installed by routing.  This means that
  LDP would have  functionality that was formerly in  the domain of routing.
  The  interactions of  LDP  with  the various  routing  algorithms under  a
  variety of circumstances must therefore be carefully considered.  However,
  the draft has very little about this. 

- The draft focuses on the use of the new procedures in a particular sort of
  deployment scenario, and doesn't say much about the effects on the network
  if the procedures were to be used in other deployment scenarios, or if the
  procedures were misconfigured, etc. 

- I think that the major purpose of the proposal is to facilitate the use of
  LDP-based  node protection  for area  border routers.   However, I  am not
  convinced that the proposal really achieves this goal. 

Let  me start by  summarizing my  understanding of  the draft.   The problem
addressed by the  draft is the following.  There are  a number of situations
in which an  ingress PE needs to send  a packet on an LSP  tunnel whose "LSP
egress" is a PE router (the  "egress PE").  This requires the "tunnel label"
to be bound to a /32 prefix  for the egress, which in turn requires that the
ingress PE's forwarding table contain a /32 prefix for each potential egress
PE.  

The authors describe  a deployment scenario in which  the service provider's
backbone is a multi-area IS-IS or OSPF network, containing tens of thousands
of PE  routers distributed across the  areas.  The usual way  of getting all
the  /32s in each  ingress PE's  forwarding table  is to  have all  IGP area
border routers leak all the /32s  into each area.  Then the IGP ensures that
each ingress PE's forwarding table is populated with all the /32s.

The problem is that the intra-area  IGP protocols don't scale up well as the
number of prefixes increases into the tens of thousands.  Therefore it would
be  desirable to  have  some other  way of  getting  all the  /32s into  the
forwarding tables of the ingress PEs. 

The proposal is to use LDP, rather  than the IGP, to distribute the /32s and
to ensure  that the  ingress PE's forwarding  tables are  properly populated
with the /32s.   Note that this does not really reduce  the resources in the
core needed to  support the LSPs to the PEs, it  simply changes the protocol
which is used to allocate  some of those resources.  Resource consumption in
the P routers of  a given area is still proportional to  the total number of
PEs in all the areas. 

It might seem that a better solution  would be to use hierarchy, so that the
P routers do not  have to maintain an LSP for each  egress PE. For instance,
BGP between  the border routers could  carry the /32s, without  any need for
the  P routers to  maintain the  /32s are  all.  However,  I think  that the
authors actually want  to the P routers maintain an LSP  for each egress PE,
because  they believe  this to  be a  necessary condition  of  applying node
protection when a border router fails.  So they frame the problem not as one
of reducing the resource  usage in the core, but as one  of finding a better
protocol to allocate those resources in the core.

One could of course put IBGP in all the P routers and use IBGP to distribute
the /32s.  However, the authors  do not like the operational implications of
putting BGP in  the core.  I'm not sure they've  considered a restricted use
of BGP for distributing only the  egress PE addresses; often when we talk of
a "BGP  free core", what  it really  important is that  the core be  free of
external routes,  rather than that it be  free of BGP protocol.   But in any
event they propose to use LDP. 

I think the proposed operational model is the following: 

- A PE, say  PE1, is configured to bind  a label to its own address  A (as a
  /32  prefix),a  and  to use  LDP  distribute  this  label binding  to  its
  neighbors.

- If  P1 is  a neighbor  of PE1,  and PE1  is P1's  next hop  for A,  and P1
  receives a label binding for A from  PE1, then P1 must put an entry in its
  FIB for A, with the label distributed by PE1.

- P1 must then assign a label of its  own to A, and use LDP to advertise the
  binding A and that label to P1's neighbors. 

- Using LDP  ordered mode,  this process  proceeds out to  the edges  of the
  network.  However, it does not go beyond the edges.

This operational model  is not completely clear to me.   I surmise that each
PE needs to  be configured to begin this process.  I'm  less clear about how
other nodes  know whether or not  they are on  the "edge" of the  network. I
think the  authors have in mind  a deployment scenario in  which the "edges"
are inter-AS  interfaces and VRF  interfaces, but inter-area  interfaces are
not considered to be edges.  But I'm  not sure what the model is supposed to
be in general.   Are VRF interfaces always edges,  even if Carrier's Carrier
is being  used?  Are inter-AS interfaces  always edges, even if  a single SP
has broken his network into several  ASes.  Is it true that inter-area links
are never  edges, or is this meant  to be configurable?  If  the latter, are
there deployment requirements  for all area border routers  to be configured
the same?  

In  any event,  the authors  note that  the  use of  LDP in  this manner  is
explicitly prohibited by the LDP  specification, which requires that LDP not
install a  label for any  prefix if that  exact prefix has not  already been
installed in  the forwarding table by  routing.  That is, LDP  cannot bind a
label to a prefix  unless that prefix is an exact match  to one installed by
routing. 

This  prohibition  didn't   get  there  by  accident.   It   was  put  there
deliberately to  ensure that LDP  cannot "second guess" routing  by creating
paths which differ  from the paths created by routing.   After all, LDP does
not have  its own procedures for  deciding which path an  LSP should follow,
it depends upon routing for this.

The authors  propose to remove this  prohibition, and instead  impose a more
sophisticated restriction, which they express as follows:

   "This procedure  is similar to  the one defined  in [LDP] but  performs a
   longest match when searching the FEC element in the RIB ...

   With this new longest match label mapping procedure, a LSR receiving 
   a Label Mapping message from a neighbor LSR for a Prefix Address FEC 
   Element SHOULD use the label for MPLS forwarding if its routing table 
   contains an entry that matches the FEC Element and the advertising 
   LSR is a next hop to reach the FEC. If so, it SHOULD advertise the 
   FEC Element and a label to its LDP peers. 
    
   By 'matching FEC Element', one should understand an IP longest match." 

The intention is to maintain the requirement that LDP not alter the routing,
while allowing  LDP to install prefixes  that are not  installed by routing.
They propose  to allow LDP  to install a  prefix if and  only if there  is a
corresponding  less specific  prefix  that has  been  installed by  routing.
Further, the next  hop of the LDP-installed prefix is  constrained to be the
same as the next hop of  the less specific prefix, as determined by routing.
This should ensure that labeled packets always follow the path that has been
determined by routing to be the best path. 

It must  be understood that  this procedure adds considerable  complexity to
the maintenance of the forwarding tables.

In  existing LDP deployments,  all LDP  does with  regard to  the forwarding
table  is to supply  the label  for a  given <prefix,  next hop>  pair which
routing has installed  in the forwarding table.  In the  proposal, LDP has a
number of additional jobs to do  with regard to the forwarding table.  Let's
define some terminology: 

- Let RP be a prefix distributed by routing. 
- Let NH(RP) be the next hop for RP.
- Let LP(i) be a prefix distributed by neighbor i using LDP. 
- Let RP(i) be the set of LDP-distributed prefixes from neighbor i for which
  RP is the longest match. 

If NH(RP) changes from  i to j, things aren't too hard,  as long as RP(i) is
identical to RP(j).  Then you just  have to change the next hop and outgoing
label for each prefix in RP(i). 

It's a  bit more  complicated if  RP(j) is different  from RP(i).   Now some
prefixes need to  get their nh and label changed, but  others need to either
be put into or pulled out of the forwarding table entirely. 

It's even more  complicated if routing installs a new  prefix, RP2, which is
more specific than  an already installed prefix RP1,  but less specific than
some members of RP1(i).  (And possibly more specific than some other members
of RP1(i)).   Now one has  to figure out  which members of RP1(i)  remain in
RP1(i) and which are now in RP2(i).  In fact, one has to figure this out for
each of the neighbors.

Certainly this  could all be made to  work, but it's not  exactly the simple
change that  the draft suggests it  is.  It would  be nice to see  section 4
replaced with  a much  more comprehensive treatment  of how  the interaction
between routing events  and LDP events affects the  forwarding tables.  I am
not at all sure that I yet understand all the implications.

The draft also needs a lot more consideration of "corner cases".

For instance, what if BGP and LDP each distribute the same /32 prefix, while
IGP  distributes  a less  specific  prefix?   It's  not immediately  obvious
whether the LDP-distributed prefix  is supposed to match the IGP-distributed
less  specific  prefix, thereby  replacing  the  BGP-distributed prefix,  or
whether the LDP-distributed prefix  is supposed to match the BGP-distributed
prefix.   It's  also   not  clear  just  what  you'd  have   to  do  if  the
LDP-distributed prefix matched a BGP-distributed prefix, because the notions
of "next  hop" are different.  To  add a further  complication, suppose that
the BGP-distributed  prefix is  really a labeled-IPv4  prefix.  What  is the
relation between  the BGP-distributed  label and the  LDP-distributed label?
Are they both used, or not?   Questions like these need to be addressed, and
the implications of answering them one way or another need to be considered.

Here's another  case worth considering.  Consider an  intermediate P router,
P1, with neighbors P2 and P3.  Suppose:

- IGP distributes a route to prefix X. 
- Using LDP,  P2 distributes a label for  prefix Y, where X  is the "longest
  match" for Y. 
- P3 does not use LDP to distribute a label for Y.
- At time t0, the next hop at P1 for X is P2. 
- At time t1, the next hop at P1 for X is P3. 

I think this means that at time  t1, any packets which P1 receives that have
been labeled for Y will be dropped  by P1.  Why?  The more specific prefix Y
will have to  be removed from the forwarding table at  t1, as the conditions
for having it in  the forwarding table no longer seem to  hold, given the P3
has not  distributed a label  for the longer  prefix.  Thus the  labels that
correspond to  Y will also be  removed, and packets which  have already been
labeled for Y will find that there is no outgoing label corresponding to the
incoming label.  This means they must be dropped.

One could dismiss this as a transient, but if the whole reason for doing any
of this is to  make node protection work, i.e., to avoid  the bad effects of
routing  transients, then  one presumably  is  not willing  to just  dismiss
transient effects.

This scenario could occur, e.g., if a given egress PE can be reached via two
different ABRs, where one of them is implementing the draft but the other is
not (or where one is configured to use the draft procedures but the other is
not).  One could  dismiss this as an operator error, but  it can also happen
if  a new  ABR comes  up and  the distribution  of routing  info  across the
network proceeds faster  than the distribution of LDP info.   Note that on a
single link, we can implement procedures  which keep the link from coming up
to routing until LDP has distributed  labels over the link, in order to keep
things like this from happening.  That's  fine as long as LDP operations are
per-link.  When  we start to  provide LDP operations that  have edge-to-edge
significance, such as using LDP to build a path for X across the network, we
don't have any similar way to synchronize the LDP and IGP info.

There may be other corner cases as well.  

If a  decision is  made to pursue  this draft,  I think it  needs to  have a
fairly comprehensive treatment of  (a) all the possible interactions between
and routing, and (b) the behavior  of the scheme when deployed in other than
the  intended  manner.   Also, if  the  main  purpose  of  the draft  is  to
facilitate an LDP-based node protection scheme for border routers, it should
provide  a better  assurance that  it doesn't  leave a  number  of transient
conditions unprotected.

Without this additional  work, I think it is difficult  to tell whether this
is ultimately a direction worth pursuing.






  

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Hi,

I have been explicitly asked to lengthen this last call so as to allow time 
for a review.

Unusual, but not unreasonable.

The last call is extended to noon on Sunday 17th December.

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> Hi,
>
> This draft has been developed independently and has recently been brought 
> to the IESG for advancement as an individual submission to become an 
> Informational RFC. I have done a first-level review and this latest 
> revision includes updates to reflect my comments.
>
> Since the material here concerns preemption and the suggested ways to 
> operate an MPLS-TE or GMPLS network, we are running a quick last call on 
> the CCAMP mailing list to ensure that no-one has any objections.
>
> Please send your comments to the CCAMP list no later than noon GMT on 13th 
> December 2006.
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
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>>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>>
>>
>> Title : LSP Preemption Policies for MPLS Traffic Engineering
>> Author(s) : J. de Oliveira, et al.
>> Filename : draft-deoliveira-diff-te-preemption-06.txt
>> Pages : 19
>> Date : 2006-11-28
>>
>> When the establishment of a higher priority (Traffic Engineering
>>   Label Switched Path) TE LSP requires the preemption of a set of lower
>>   priority TE LSPs, a node has to make a local decision to select which
>>
>>   TE LSPs will be preempted.  The preempted LSPs are then rerouted by
>>   their respective Head-end Label Switch Router (LSR).  This document
>>   presents a flexible policy that can be used to achieve different
>>   objectives: preempt the lowest priority LSPs; preempt the minimum
>>   number of LSPs; preempt the set of TE LSPs that provide the closest
>>   amount of bandwidth to the required bandwidth for the preempting TE
>>   LSPs (to minimize bandwidth wastage); preempt the LSPs that will have
>>   the maximum chance to get rerouted.  Simulation results are given and
>>   a comparison among several different policies, with respect to
>>   preemption cascading, number of preempted LSPs, priority, wasted
>>   bandwidth and blocking probability is also included.
>>
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deoliveira-diff-te-preemption-06.txt
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割り切った関係だからこそ燃える事もあるんではないでしょうか？
当サイトより割り切りを希望している女性最新登録ユーザーのご紹介です。

★　黒川美樹
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★　ゆうな＠
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┃旦那とのセックスレスが原因で登録しました。
┃秘密厳守はもちろんですが、完全な一回きりの割切った関係を希望です。
┃昼間の時間帯で会えそうな人からの連絡を待っています。
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┃子育てと仕事の両立は出来ても、新しい出会いは簡単に見つからないんです…
┃月に2〜3回くらい体だけの関係で会うことは出来ませんか？
┃子供好きな人だといいなぁ(*゜-゜)♪
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┃定期的に、中・長期でお付き合いが出来る人が希望です。
┃主人とは完全に冷め切った関係になって、もう１０年以上経ちます。
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adrian - 

in HBlock case the average wasted bw is a factor 10 smaller than for any 
other scheme (without significantly lowering the worst case, still an 
order of 10)

the only noticeable difference with PN is exactly that one (which is 
induced by the possibility left to Hblock to have two selection depending 
on heavy vs normal loaded link) - hence it would be interesting to know 
the dependency on the min/max LSP bw and distribution (scenario 
dependancy) and have a similar PN approach (non-uniform selection)

thanks,
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Hi,

I have been explicitly asked to lengthen this last call so as to allow 
time 
for a review.

Unusual, but not unreasonable.

The last call is extended to noon on Sunday 17th December.

Thanks,
Adrian
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> Hi,
>
> This draft has been developed independently and has recently been 
brought 
> to the IESG for advancement as an individual submission to become an 
> Informational RFC. I have done a first-level review and this latest 
> revision includes updates to reflect my comments.
>
> Since the material here concerns preemption and the suggested ways to 
> operate an MPLS-TE or GMPLS network, we are running a quick last call on 

> the CCAMP mailing list to ensure that no-one has any objections.
>
> Please send your comments to the CCAMP list no later than noon GMT on 
13th 
> December 2006.
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>
>>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>>
>>
>> Title : LSP Preemption Policies for MPLS Traffic Engineering
>> Author(s) : J. de Oliveira, et al.
>> Filename : draft-deoliveira-diff-te-preemption-06.txt
>> Pages : 19
>> Date : 2006-11-28
>>
>> When the establishment of a higher priority (Traffic Engineering
>>   Label Switched Path) TE LSP requires the preemption of a set of lower
>>   priority TE LSPs, a node has to make a local decision to select which
>>
>>   TE LSPs will be preempted.  The preempted LSPs are then rerouted by
>>   their respective Head-end Label Switch Router (LSR).  This document
>>   presents a flexible policy that can be used to achieve different
>>   objectives: preempt the lowest priority LSPs; preempt the minimum
>>   number of LSPs; preempt the set of TE LSPs that provide the closest
>>   amount of bandwidth to the required bandwidth for the preempting TE
>>   LSPs (to minimize bandwidth wastage); preempt the LSPs that will have
>>   the maximum chance to get rerouted.  Simulation results are given and
>>   a comparison among several different policies, with respect to
>>   preemption cascading, number of preempted LSPs, priority, wasted
>>   bandwidth and blocking probability is also included.
>>
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> 
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deoliveira-diff-te-preemption-06.txt

>
>
>
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Loa,

> we have three documents there the authors have requested
> that they become working group documents. All three were
> on the agenda in San Diego and we registered support for
> the documents.
> 
> Please respond to the mailing list within a week whether
> you think they should be made working group docs or not.
> 
> The documents are:
> 
> 
> draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt

support

> 
> draft-nadeau-rfc4379-bis-link-bundle-00.txt

support

> 
> and
> 
> draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-00

support

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Loa,

Support all.
Luyuan=20

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Subject: [mpls] polling for three new working group documents

All,

we have three documents there the authors have requested that they
become working group documents. All three were on the agenda in San
Diego and we registered support for the documents.

Please respond to the mailing list within a week whether you think they
should be made working group docs or not.

The documents are:


draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt

draft-nadeau-rfc4379-bis-link-bundle-00.txt

and

draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-00

/Loa and George

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Subject: Re: [mpls] polling for three new working group documents
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On 18/12/06 10:18 am, "Luyuan Fang (lufang)" <lufang@cisco.com> wrote:

> Loa,
> 
> Support all.
> Luyuan 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.se]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 7:52 AM
> To: mpls@ietf.org; George Swallow (swallow)
> Cc: Bob Thomas (rhthomas); Tom Nadeau (tnadeau)
> Subject: [mpls] polling for three new working group documents
> 
> All,
> 
> we have three documents there the authors have requested that they
> become working group documents. All three were on the agenda in San
> Diego and we registered support for the documents.
> 
> Please respond to the mailing list within a week whether you think they
> should be made working group docs or not.
> 
> The documents are:
> 
> 
> draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt
> 
> draft-nadeau-rfc4379-bis-link-bundle-00.txt
> 
> and
> 
> draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-00
> 
> /Loa and George
> 
> --
> Loa Andersson
> 
> Principal Networking Architect
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On 13.12.2006 13:52 Uhr, "Loa Andersson" <loa@pi.se> wrote:

> All,
> 
> we have three documents there the authors have requested
> that they become working group documents. All three were
> on the agenda in San Diego and we registered support for
> the documents.
> 
> Please respond to the mailing list within a week whether
> you think they should be made working group docs or not.
> 
> The documents are:
> 
> 
> draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt
> 
> draft-nadeau-rfc4379-bis-link-bundle-00.txt
> 
> and
> 
> draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-00
> 
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Hi,

  I have few basic doubts regarding the functioning of RSVP-TE:

In RSVP as I understand "Link Admission Control" is used within the PATH
message and the bandwidth value is included in the sender's Tspec field.
This bandwidth is moved to a waiting pool untill a RESV mesage is received.
Otherwise, a path error  message will be sent upon reception of RESV.  With
respect to this understanding, I have the following doubts:

1)What actual benefits do we achieve by "Receiver Initiated Reservation
Style"? Why cannot we perform Admission Control and Policy control during
the flow of Path messages only?

2)When the path message is moving downstream and the required bandwidth is
available
then it is moved to the waiting pool, but what if the required bandwidth is
not
available why the error message has to wait for the RESV message from the
downstream?
In this way we are unnecessarily blocking the network with the control
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know that required reservation could not be made in the first place?

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Hi,<br><br>&nbsp; I have few basic doubts regarding the functioning of RSVP-TE:<br><br><font face="Arial, Helvetica">In RSVP as I understand &quot;Link Admission Control&quot; is used within the PATH  message and the bandwidth value is included in the sender&#39;s Tspec field. This bandwidth is  moved to a waiting pool untill a RESV mesage is received. Otherwise, a path error&nbsp;  message will be sent upon reception of RESV.&nbsp; With respect to this understanding, I have the following doubts:
<br>
 <br>
 1)What actual benefits do we achieve by &quot;Receiver Initiated Reservation Style&quot;? Why cannot we perform Admission Control and Policy control during the flow of Path messages only?<br>
 <br>
 2)When the path message is moving downstream and the required bandwidth is available  <br>
then it is moved to the waiting pool, but what if the required bandwidth is not  <br>
available why the error message has to wait for the RESV message from the downstream?  <br>
In this way we are unnecessarily blocking the network with the control packets if we  <br>
know that required reservation could not be made in the first place? <br><br>thanks,<br>Shilpa<br></font>

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Hi,

  I have few basic doubts regarding the functioning of RSVP-TE:

In RSVP as I understand "Link Admission Control" is used within the PATH
message and the bandwidth value is included in the sender's Tspec field.
This bandwidth is moved to a waiting pool untill a RESV mesage is received.
Otherwise, a path error  message will be sent upon reception of RESV.  With
respect to this understanding, I have the following doubts:

1)What actual benefits do we achieve by "Receiver Initiated Reservation
Style"? Why cannot we perform Admission Control and Policy control during
the flow of Path messages only?

2)When the path message is moving downstream and the required bandwidth is
available
then it is moved to the waiting pool, but what if the required bandwidth is
not
available why the error message has to wait for the RESV message from the
downstream?
In this way we are unnecessarily blocking the network with the control
packets if we
know that required reservation could not be made in the first place?

thanks,
Shilpa

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Hi,<br><br>&nbsp; I have few basic doubts regarding the functioning of RSVP-TE:<br><br><font face="Arial, Helvetica">In RSVP as I understand &quot;Link Admission Control&quot; is used within the PATH  message and the bandwidth value is included in the sender&#39;s Tspec field. This bandwidth is  moved to a waiting pool untill a RESV mesage is received. Otherwise, a path error&nbsp;  message will be sent upon reception of RESV.&nbsp; With respect to this understanding, I have the following doubts:
<br>
 <br>
 1)What actual benefits do we achieve by &quot;Receiver Initiated Reservation Style&quot;? Why cannot we perform Admission Control and Policy control during the flow of Path messages only?<br>
 <br>
 2)When the path message is moving downstream and the required bandwidth is available  <br>
then it is moved to the waiting pool, but what if the required bandwidth is not  <br>
available why the error message has to wait for the RESV message from the downstream?  <br>
In this way we are unnecessarily blocking the network with the control packets if we  <br>
know that required reservation could not be made in the first place? <br><br>thanks,<br>Shilpa<br></font>

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shilpa goel wrote:
> In RSVP as I understand "Link Admission Control" is used within the 
> PATH message and the bandwidth value is included in the sender's Tspec 
> field. This bandwidth is moved to a waiting pool untill a RESV mesage 
> is received. Otherwise, a path error  message will be sent upon 
> reception of RESV.  With respect to this understanding, I have the 
> following doubts:

What you describe (reserve bandwidth during Path processing, validate 
reservation during Resv processing) is one possible way.

RFC 2205 and 3209 only mandate that your reservations (including label 
allocation) be completely in-place before you complete Resv processing 
(usually just before sending a Resv upstream or notifying application 
software.)

Making reservations during Path processing is an optimization that is 
sometimes used to reduce Resv processing latency.  But this approach is 
not without its problems - for instance, the resources requested in the 
Resv's FLOWSPEC object might not match the Path message's TSPEC object.  
Dealing with these kinds of mismatches is more complicated if you've 
pre-reserved bandwidth.

You can also end up with temporary bandwidth leaks if the Resv message 
is delayed or is not received (which may happen if you are close to the 
originating node of an LSP with a lot of hops.)

> 1)What actual benefits do we achieve by "Receiver Initiated 
> Reservation Style"? Why cannot we perform Admission Control and Policy 
> control during the flow of Path messages only?

RSVP (classical RSVP, RFC 2205, pre-MPLS) was designed for many-to-many 
multicast situations.  A given session may have multiple senders, each 
requesting different amounts of bandwidth.  The receiver (or receivers 
if the destination is a multicast group) apply application-specific 
merge-rules to determine the amount of resources that will be reserved.  
As these Resv messages propagate upstream (merging with Resv messages 
from other receivers, in the case of multicast), the amounts reserved 
may be quite different from what was in the original TSPEC objects.

In the MPLS world, LSPs tend to run from router-to-router instead of 
application-to-application, and most LSPs have a single sender and a 
single receiver (not counting ongoing work on p2mp LSPs), so 
Resv-initiated reservations is not as critical as it is in the classical 
RSVP scenario.

> 2)When the path message is moving downstream and the required 
> bandwidth is available
> then it is moved to the waiting pool, but what if the required 
> bandwidth is not
> available why the error message has to wait for the RESV message from 
> the downstream?
> In this way we are unnecessarily blocking the network with the control 
> packets if we
> know that required reservation could not be made in the first place?

As I mentioned above, allocating bandwidth during Path processing is not 
a mandatory behavior.  If your application chooses to implement this, 
then it will obviously have to deal with the problems that arise from 
such a choice.

-- David


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shilpa goel wrote:
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"Link Admission Control" is used within the PATH message and the
bandwidth value is included in the sender's Tspec field. This bandwidth
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a path error&nbsp; message will be sent upon reception of RESV.&nbsp; With
respect to this understanding, I have the following doubts:
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<br>
What you describe (reserve bandwidth during Path processing, validate
reservation during Resv processing) is one possible way.<br>
<br>
RFC 2205 and 3209 only mandate that your reservations (including label
allocation) be completely in-place before you complete Resv processing
(usually just before sending a Resv upstream or notifying application
software.)<br>
<br>
Making reservations during Path processing is an optimization that is
sometimes used to reduce Resv processing latency.&nbsp; But this approach is
not without its problems - for instance, the resources requested in the
Resv's FLOWSPEC object might not match the Path message's TSPEC
object.&nbsp; Dealing with these kinds of mismatches is more complicated if
you've pre-reserved bandwidth.<br>
<br>
You can also end up with temporary bandwidth leaks if the Resv message
is delayed or is not received (which may happen if you are close to the
originating node of an LSP with a lot of hops.)<br>
<br>
<blockquote
 cite="midd8455be10612220221q18407f55sdd7991b32e21deab@mail.gmail.com"
 type="cite"><font face="Arial, Helvetica"> 1)What actual benefits do
we achieve by "Receiver Initiated Reservation Style"? Why cannot we
perform Admission Control and Policy control during the flow of Path
messages only?<br>
  </font></blockquote>
<br>
RSVP (classical RSVP, RFC 2205, pre-MPLS) was designed for many-to-many
multicast situations.&nbsp; A given session may have multiple senders, each
requesting different amounts of bandwidth.&nbsp; The receiver (or receivers
if the destination is a multicast group) apply application-specific
merge-rules to determine the amount of resources that will be
reserved.&nbsp; As these Resv messages propagate upstream (merging with Resv
messages from other receivers, in the case of multicast), the amounts
reserved may be quite different from what was in the original TSPEC
objects.<br>
<br>
In the MPLS world, LSPs tend to run from router-to-router instead of
application-to-application, and most LSPs have a single sender and a
single receiver (not counting ongoing work on p2mp LSPs), so
Resv-initiated reservations is not as critical as it is in the
classical RSVP scenario.<br>
<br>
<blockquote
 cite="midd8455be10612220221q18407f55sdd7991b32e21deab@mail.gmail.com"
 type="cite"><font face="Arial, Helvetica"> 2)When the path message is
moving downstream and the required bandwidth is available <br>
then it is moved to the waiting pool, but what if the required
bandwidth is not <br>
available why the error message has to wait for the RESV message from
the downstream? <br>
In this way we are unnecessarily blocking the network with the control
packets if we <br>
know that required reservation could not be made in the first place? <br>
  </font></blockquote>
<br>
As I mentioned above, allocating bandwidth during Path processing is
not a mandatory behavior.&nbsp; If your application chooses to implement
this, then it will obviously have to deal with the problems that arise
from such a choice.<br>
<br>
-- David<br>
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 Hi Loa, all,


> draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt

I support, but the processing on ASBRs in the ping mode should be
clarified.
It seems that section 7 only discusses the traceroute mode.
If we want the actual forwarding path to be excercised in the ping mode,
then transit ASBRs should not process the echo request and hence cannot
update the ASBR Trace Stack.
A solution would consist of running a LSP Traceroute so as to retrieve
the ASBR Trace stack and then this stack could be inserted within the
echo request in ping mode...
Also there are a lot of nits, and inconsitencies in the terminology
along the draft (I will provide comments in a separate email). =20

> draft-nadeau-rfc4379-bis-link-bundle-00.txt

Support
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> draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-00

Support

Regards,

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Hi,

LDP1 -- LDP2

I have two LDP peers 1 and 2. LDP1 advertises its loopback IP address
(say 1.1.1.1) to LDP2 with a label of 3. Is there a reason for LDP2
too also advertise 1.1.1.1 back to LDP1 with some label?

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Hi Abhishek,

   It is because that LDP2 think it is possible that LDP1 will want LDP2 =
send a lable if the next hop is change to LDP2 on LDP1.   But in your =
case it is impossible. Because the fec(1.1.1.1) is a loopback IP address =
on LDP1.  There is no chance for LDP1 to select LDP2 as the nexthop for =
1.1.1.1.  In this case LDP1 should release the label which LDP2 send.
   Please consider another case:
     |------------------------------|
  LDP1 -----  LDP2 ----- LDP3

    1.1.1.1 is a loopback IP address on LDP1.  So LDP3 will receive a =
mapping from LDP2 for fec 1.1.1.1(Suppose the metric of link between =
LDP1/LDP3 is very large).  LDP3 will send a mapping to LDP2. This label =
will be used if the link between LDP1/LDP2 is down.

Thanks,
Yu

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Subject: [mpls] LDP newbie question

Hi,

LDP1 -- LDP2

I have two LDP peers 1 and 2. LDP1 advertises its loopback IP address =
(say 1.1.1.1) to LDP2 with a label of 3. Is there a reason for LDP2 too =
also advertise 1.1.1.1 back to LDP1 with some label?

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Hi,
           LDP uses platform wide label space and no specific to =
neigbor. So the LSR will adverstise the local binding for the loopback =
address to all neighbors irrespective of from whom it has received the =
remote binding.
It's upto the neigbor whether to release the label for its own loopback =
or not.
=20
HTH,
Pranjal

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From: Abhishek Verma [mailto:abhishekv.verma@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 12/27/2006 9:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [mpls] LDP newbie question



Greetings Yu!

The example that you have taken is slightly different.

I don't mind LDP3 forwarding the label advertisement it learnt from
LDP1 to LDP2 or vice-versa. What i dont comprehend is why an LDP
router would advertise the label binding back to the neighbor it
learnt that label from?

Thanks,
Abhishek

On 12/26/06, Yu Yi <yuyi@nortel.com> wrote:
> Hi Abhishek,
>
>    It is because that LDP2 think it is possible that LDP1 will want =
LDP2 send a lable if the next hop is change to LDP2 on LDP1.   But in =
your case it is impossible. Because the fec(1.1.1.1) is a loopback IP =
address on LDP1.  There is no chance for LDP1 to select LDP2 as the =
nexthop for 1.1.1.1.  In this case LDP1 should release the label which =
LDP2 send.
>    Please consider another case:
>      |------------------------------|
>   LDP1 -----  LDP2 ----- LDP3
>
>     1.1.1.1 is a loopback IP address on LDP1.  So LDP3 will receive a =
mapping from LDP2 for fec 1.1.1.1(Suppose the metric of link between =
LDP1/LDP3 is very large).  LDP3 will send a mapping to LDP2. This label =
will be used if the link between LDP1/LDP2 is down.
>
> Thanks,
> Yu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abhishek Verma [mailto:abhishekv.verma@gmail.com]
> Sent: 2006?12?23? 9:23 AM
> To: mpls@lists.ietf.org
> Subject: [mpls] LDP newbie question
>
> Hi,
>
> LDP1 -- LDP2
>
> I have two LDP peers 1 and 2. LDP1 advertises its loopback IP address =
(say 1.1.1.1) to LDP2 with a label of 3. Is there a reason for LDP2 too =
also advertise 1.1.1.1 back to LDP1 with some label?
>
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	Salut Jean-Louis,

>  Hi Loa, all,
>
>
>> draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt
>
> I support, but the processing on ASBRs in the ping mode should be
> clarified.
> It seems that section 7 only discusses the traceroute mode.

	Agreed.  We need to clarify this.

> If we want the actual forwarding path to be excercised in the ping  
> mode,
> then transit ASBRs should not process the echo request and hence  
> cannot
> update the ASBR Trace Stack.
> A solution would consist of running a LSP Traceroute so as to retrieve
> the ASBR Trace stack and then this stack could be inserted within the
> echo request in ping mode...

	Agreed.

> Also there are a lot of nits, and inconsitencies in the terminology
> along the draft (I will provide comments in a separate email).

	Yes, I will attempt to fix these once you provide
comments.

	Merci,

	--Tom


>
>> draft-nadeau-rfc4379-bis-link-bundle-00.txt
>
> Support
>
>> draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-00
>
> Support
>
> Regards,
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On 13.12.2006 13:52 Uhr, "Loa Andersson" <loa@pi.se> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> we have three documents there the authors have requested that they
>>> become working group documents. All three were on the agenda in San
>>> Diego and we registered support for the documents.
>>>
>>> Please respond to the mailing list within a week whether you think
>>> they should be made working group docs or not.
>>>
>>> The documents are:
>>>
>>>
>>> draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt
>>>
>>> draft-nadeau-rfc4379-bis-link-bundle-00.txt
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-00
>>>
>>> /Loa and George
>>
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Hi Thomas,

The intentions and theory of operation of the draft look good. As
someone else also pointed out, please clarify behavior for ping vs
traceroute.
  =20
The draft does not clarify traceroutes spanning IPv4 - IPv6 - IPv4 ASes
and vice-versa. In other words, the traceroute ingress AS is IPv4 AS and
the next transit-AS is IPV6 AS. The draft does not address if this will
work and if it will; how will the visited ASBR stack and failed node
addresses look like in such scenarios. I haven't thought of this in
detail, but it seems there might be other caveats to doing
lsp-traceroute across IPv4 - IPv6 domains.

Some nits on the inter-AS lsp-ping draft.

Section 5.1.
  "The purpose of this object is to allow the upstream router to relay
a"

   I think this should be *downstream* router. Or it should be re-worded
to "to allow the router upstream of the failed node to relay a".

Failed node IP address:
   The sub-section talks about Downstream node IP address and Downstream
node Interface address. I am not clear if this is referring to the DSMAP
TLV or something else. If it is, then note that DSMAP TLV may not be
present if there was an error at the transit router.

Failed Node AS Number:
  This sub-section is repeated twice.


Thanks
Nitin

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Folks,

Apologies for the massive cross posting. The following message was
posted on IETF-announce a few days ago. The posting AD asked me to
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                                      Ron

========================================================================
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- 'Modifying ICMP to Support Multi-part Messages '
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