From akiko4675@yahoo.co.jp Tue May 01 05:55:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hip5K-0003rB-0Z for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 05:55:50 -0400 Received: from [58.244.208.38] (helo=lists.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hip5H-0004gD-34 for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 05:55:49 -0400 To: =?iso-2022-jp?B?YWtpa280Njc1QHlhaG9vLmNvLmpw?=<> From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?YWtpa28=?= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCQ084NSROJSolUCU1JXMkckp6JC0kPyQkJEckOSQrISklbCVZJWskT0RjJCQkRyQ5JCwzTjxCJEtKeiQxJF4kOSRoGyhCISE=?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 **************************************************** $BEv%5%$%H$O(B40$BBe!A(B50$BBe$NFyBN4X78$r5a$a$F$$$k?M:J!&=O=w(B $B$,=8$^$kF|K\:GBg$NITNQ%3%_%e%K%F%#!<%5%$%H$G$9!#(B **************************************************** $B!T$4MxMQ$K4X$7$F$N$4Cm0U!U(B------------------------------- $B-5!!$4MxMQ$OCK=w6&$KITNQ$r4uK>$5$l$kJ}$N$_$H$5$;$FD:$-$^$9!#(B $B-6!!CK=w6&$K$*Aj$NCO0h!&%a!<%k%"%I%l%9!&%Q%9%o!<%I$r@_Dj$7$FD:$-$^$9!#(B $B-6!!$9$k$*Aj%"%I%l%9$,I=<($5$l$F$*$j$^$9$N$G$=$N;~E@$GD>@\$4O"Mm$r(B $B!!!!$7$FD:$$$F$b7k9=$G$9$7!"%5%$%HFb$+$i%a!<%k$K$FO"Mm$rD$7$F2<$5$$!#(B $B!ZCm0U![<+8J(BPR$BFb$KO"Mm@h$NI=<($,L5$$?M:J$5$s$O(B $B!!!!!!!!8r>D$,@.N)$7FyBN4X78Cf$G$9$N$GO"Mm@h$NI=<($,(B $B!!!!!!!!I|3h8e!":FEY8r>D$r$*4j$$CW$7$^$9!#(B ************************************************************** $B!|K\F|!"40A4L5NA$G=O$l$??M:J$HFyBN4X78$r4uK>$5$l$kCK@-$O(B $B!!(Bhttp://cjbjj.com:112/ddd/hito-ln0678910/ $B!|K\F|!"40A4L5NA$G2P>H$C$?BN$rK~$?$7$FM_$7$$=w@-$O(B $B!!(Bhttp://cjbjj.com:112/ddd/hito-ln0678910/ ************************************************************** $B!zBT9g$o$;$N>l=j$r%j%"%k%?%$%`$G$d$j Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiuXK-0007Rl-7k; Tue, 01 May 2007 11:45:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiuXI-0007LJ-0Y for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 11:45:04 -0400 Received: from [80.86.78.228] (helo=smtp.testbed.se) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiuX1-0002sb-OH for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 11:44:50 -0400 Received: from host-72.homerun.telia.com ([194.23.29.72]) by fw.testbed.se with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1HiuWy-0000kY-89; Tue, 01 May 2007 17:44:45 +0200 Message-ID: <4637606A.9070409@pi.se> Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 17:44:42 +0200 From: Loa Andersson Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loa Andersson , mpls@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] four potential new working group documents References: <461391D1.2070808@pi.se> In-Reply-To: <461391D1.2070808@pi.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab Cc: Ross Callon , David Ward X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org All, we have a good support to make three documents as working group documents. Note that we've already accepted the fourth. Could the authors please republish the documents as: draft-ietf-mpls-3209-patherr draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-capabilities Loa and George Loa Andersson wrote: > Working group, > > we have four new documents for which authors asked that they > are made working group documents. > > All four documents had good support at the working grup meeting > in Prague, so we've grouped them together in one single poll. > > Send responses to the list on whether you think they should be > made working group documents or not. Of course you don't need > to respond on all four at the same time, just make it clear > which document you are talking about. > > The four documents are: > > draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass > > draft-thomas-mpls-ldp-capabilities > > draft-swallow-mpls-mcast-cv > > > This poll will close on EoB April 23. > > /Loa and George > > -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From kordistincxionnaw@distincxion.com Wed May 02 05:42:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjBLS-0004bN-2M; Wed, 02 May 2007 05:41:58 -0400 Received: from cpc2-cdif4-0-0-cust480.cdif.cable.ntl.com ([81.109.145.225]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjBLN-0002au-Sq; Wed, 02 May 2007 05:41:57 -0400 Received: from 216.252.64.71 (HELO mailhost2.enter-net.com) by lists.ietf.org with esmtp (9)3(J X-Mailer: The Bat! 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C79292.85AEE2A0-- From extk@moongazer.com Wed May 09 18:22:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HluYQ-0001dQ-Al for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 18:22:38 -0400 Received: from [85.104.122.219] (helo=dsl85-104-31451.ttnet.net.tr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HluYK-0006Ai-1J for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 18:22:38 -0400 Received: from drl ([80.198.160.156]) by dsl85-104-31451.ttnet.net.tr (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id l49MRMtM055480; Thu, 10 May 2007 01:27:22 +0300 Message-ID: <000e01c79288$898d87f0$9ca0c650@drl> From: "Donald Emery" To: Subject: WIND WILL BE SOUTHEAST 10 TO 15 MPH BECOMING SOUTHWEST 10 TO 20 MPH. Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 01:22:32 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C792A1.AECA4530" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000739-0, 09.05.2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Scan-Signature: cbb41f2dbf0f142369614756642005e3 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C792A1.AECA4530 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000B_01C792A1.AECE63E0" ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C792A1.AECE63E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WIND SOUTH TO SOUTHEAST 5 TO 15 MPH. HAINES 1038 AM ADT WED MAY 9 2007 . = WIND SOUTH TO SOUTHWEST 5 TO 15 MPH. SKAGWAY 1038 AM ADT WED MAY 9 2007 . KAKE 1038 AM ADT WED MAY 9 2007 . HIGHS IN THE UPPER 40S. KAKE 1038 AM ADT WED MAY 9 2007 . SOUTHEAST WIND 10 TO 15 MPH. OVERCAST SKY CONDITION WITH FLURRIES ACROSS THE NORTHERN ARCTIC COAST = THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON. CLOUDY SKIES WITH RAIN SHOWERS BECOMING = SCATTERED BY EARLY AFTERNOON. NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR = DETECTED SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS AFFECTING AREAS OF EASTERN = OKLA CLOUDY SKIES AND FOG ACROSS THE BRISTOL BAY ZONE THIS MORNING. WIND = SOUTHEAST TO EAST 5 TO 15 MPH. EXCEPT FOR STRONGER WINDS TO 20 MPH NEAR = THE SHOWERS. THROUGH 7 PM EXPECT OVERCAST SKIES WITH SNOW SHOWERS AND = FOG. THROUGH 7 PM EXPECT OVERCAST SKIES WITH SNOW SHOWERS AND FOG. KLAWOCK = 100 PM ADT WED MAY 9 2007 . SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WILL ALSO REMAIN POSSIBLE FOR AREAS = ACROSS SOUTHEAST AND EAST-CENTRAL OKLAHOMA AS WELL AS WESTERN ARKANSAS. WIND WILL BE SOUTHEAST 10 TO 15 MPH BECOMING SOUTHWEST 10 TO 20 MPH. FOR THE FOLLOWING FORECAST LOCATIONS:. SOUTHEAST WIND TO 15 MPH. = ARC067-147-100228- 928 AM CDT WED MAY 09 2007 FLOOD WARNING CONTINUES = FOR THE CACHE RIVER NEAR PATTERSON. CLOUDY SKIES WITH SCATTERED RAIN = SHOWERS DIMINISHING INTO THE EARLY AFTERNOON. MOSTLY CLOUDY TO CLOUDY SKIES WITH PERIODS OF RAIN THROUGH LATE = AFTERNOON. CLOUDY SKIES WITH SCATTERED RAIN SHOWERS DIMINISHING INTO THE = EARLY AFTERNOON. CLOUDY SKIES WITH RAIN SHOWERS BECOMING SCATTERED BY = EARLY AFTERNOON. 5 FEET TOMORROW MORNING. ISOLATED SHOWERS WILL REMAIN = AROUND THE NORTHEASTERN PRINCE WILLIAM SOUND. HAINES 1038 AM ADT WED MAY = 9 2007 . SOUTHEAST WIND 10 TO 15 MPH. 07 - Wed - 05:42:45 PM (EDT) Warnings, Watches and Advisories in Effect = for the United States This page contains watches, warnings and = advisories that are in effect for the United States. MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH SCATTERED RAIN SHOWERS. THROUGH 7 PM EXPECT OVERCAST SKIES WITH SNOW SHOWERS AND FOG. CLOUDY = SKIES WITH SCATTERED RAIN SHOWERS DIMINISHING INTO THE EARLY AFTERNOON. ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C792A1.AECE63E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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SKAGWAY 1038 AM ADT WED MAY 9 2007 =
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MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH SCATTERED RAIN=20 SHOWERS.
THROUGH 7 PM EXPECT OVERCAST SKIES WITH = SNOW=20 SHOWERS AND FOG. CLOUDY SKIES WITH SCATTERED RAIN SHOWERS DIMINISHING = INTO THE EARLY=20 AFTERNOON.
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The rulers were well aware of From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 10 10:50:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hm9xe-0007Yw-Ne; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:49:42 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hm9xd-0007Yk-8H for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:49:41 -0400 Received: from smtp26.msg.oleane.net ([62.161.4.26]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hm9xX-0006ZT-RI for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:49:41 -0400 Received: from LAPTOPUPPER (AClermont-Ferrand-256-1-38-24.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.205.21.24]) by smtp26.msg.oleane.net (MTA) with ESMTP id l4AEnUKh013711 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:49:30 +0200 Message-Id: <200705101449.l4AEnUKh013711@smtp26.msg.oleane.net> From: "Michel Gosse" To: Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:49:50 +0200 Organization: Upper Side Conferences MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceTEmrbKnHLeQ32R+KUiREO2HK1JQ== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Cc: Subject: [mpls] Call for Proposals: MPLS & Ethernet World Congress Paris 2008 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org The 10th anniversary of MPLS & Ethernet World will occur in Paris next February 5 to 8, 2008. The aim of the event is to demonstrate the way carriers will be able to use Ethernet and MPLS efficiently: where they compete and where they complement each other. Particular attention will be paid this year to Packet Transport (T-MPLS/PBT/MPLS), Multicast and Inter-Provider issues. Wireless network architectures will also be covered in detail. The second edition of the Carrier Ethernet Worshop will discuss technological and implementation detailed issues in parallel with the traditional MPLS Tutorial addressed by the MFA. The workshop will be addressed by the MEF ambassadors for the standardization process review. The CFP is effective until June 15, 2007 at: http://www.upperside.fr/mpls2008/mpls2008cfp.htm _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 10 13:16:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmCF0-0000wN-EJ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:15:46 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmCEz-0000wE-OW for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:15:45 -0400 Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com ([199.249.20.2] helo=pmesmtp02.mci.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmCEy-0003SS-FK for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:15:45 -0400 Received: from pmismtp06.wcomnet.com ([166.37.158.166]) by firewall.mci.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with ESMTP id <0JHU0080O5A4FW@firewall.mci.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:15:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp06.wcomnet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by pmismtp06.mcilink.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.08 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0JHU00GLV5A3VI@pmismtp06.mcilink.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:15:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from XS344V8061891 ([153.39.146.193]) by pmismtp06.mcilink.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.08 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JHU00FI25A0VX@pmismtp06.mcilink.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:15:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:15:28 -0400 From: Dave McDysan To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Message-id: <01a301c79326$cea83940$c1922799@mcilink.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AceTFn4a61JoDMLtTTKjEzQRKfA/kQ== X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Subject: [mpls] MPLS 2007 - Call for Presentations X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Many people active in the IETF MPLS working group have participated in the annual MPLS Conference in the past. Below is the draft call for presentations and meeting announcement from MPLS 2007. http://www.isocore.com/mpls2007/cfp07.php _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 10 15:51:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmEew-00069p-A9; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:50:42 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmEen-0005tf-R3 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:50:34 -0400 Received: from ns3.neustar.com ([156.154.24.138]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmEem-0007no-Cn for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:50:33 -0400 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EF11761B; Thu, 10 May 2007 19:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HmEeI-0002uZ-0K; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:50:02 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:50:02 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: b5d20af10c334b36874c0264b10f59f1 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF. Title : P2MP MPLS-TE Fast Reroute with P2MP Bypass Tunnels Author(s) : J. Le Roux, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2007-5-10 This document defines procedures for fast reroute protection of Point-To-MultiPoint (P2MP) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE-LSP) in MultiProtocol Label Switching (MPLS) networks, based upon Point-To-MultiPoint bypass tunnels. The motivation for using P2MP bypass tunnels is to avoid potentially expensive data duplication along the backup path that could occur if point-to-point bypass tunnels where used, i.e. to optimize the bandwidth usage, during fast reroute protection of a link or a node. During link or node failure the traffic carried onto a protected P2MP TE-LSP is tunnelled within one or several P2MP bypass tunnels towards a set of Merge Points. 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This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF. Title : LDP Typed Wildcard FEC Author(s) : B. Thomas, I. Minei Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-01.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2007-5-11 The LDP specification [RFC3036] for the Wildcard FEC element has several deficiencies. This document corrects those deficiencies. In addition, it specifies the Typed Wildcard FEC for the Prefix FEC Element Type defined in RFC3036. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-typed-wildcard-01.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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RFC 4875 Title: Extensions to Resource Reservation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) for Point-to-Multipoint TE Label Switched Paths (LSPs) Author: R. Aggarwal, Ed., D. Papadimitriou, Ed., S. Yasukawa, Ed. Status: Standards Track Date: May 2007 Mailbox: rahul@juniper.net, yasukawa.seisho@lab.ntt.co.jp, Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel-lucent.be Pages: 53 Characters: 125394 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp-07.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4875.txt This document describes extensions to Resource Reservation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) for the set up of Traffic Engineered (TE) point-to-multipoint (P2MP) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) in Multi- Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) networks. The solution relies on RSVP-TE without requiring a multicast routing protocol in the Service Provider core. Protocol elements and procedures for this solution are described. 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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C795C1.4AEC10C0-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon May 14 01:21:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HnSzs-0007YV-17; Mon, 14 May 2007 01:21:24 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HnSzq-0007YO-Ss for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 01:21:23 -0400 Received: from [196.202.63.43] (helo=hdjy) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HnSzn-0007xj-Jp for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 01:21:22 -0400 Received: from ugpvr ([152.129.148.150]) by hdjy (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id l4E5NUmp028563; Mon, 14 May 2007 08:23:30 +0300 Message-ID: <000b01c795e7$b24f8b90$96948198@ugpvr> From: "Hannah Griffith" To: Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:21:16 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 4.2 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 52f402fbded34a6df606921f56b8bdd8 Subject: [mpls] The SVG Mobile Profiles: SVG Basic and SVG Tiny are targeted to resource-limited devices and are part of the 3GPP platform for third generation mobile phones. X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0907048481==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org --===============0907048481== Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C79600.D78CE510" ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C79600.D78CE510 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C79600.D790DCB0" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C79600.D790DCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Developers lists svg-developers. Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) About = SVG . The SVG Mobile Profiles: SVG Basic and SVG Tiny are targeted to = resource-limited devices and are part of the 3GPP platform for third = generation mobile phones. The PAG was launched in response to = disclosures by France Telecom related to the Remote Events for XML (REX) = specification. 2007-01-18: SVG-Based Personal Inflation Calculator for the UK The UK = Office for National Statistics published an interactive visualisation = tool (charts, tables, etc. 2007-03-19: Using SVG with Sun Java Studio = Creator The Java heads amongst you may wish to check out this article on = using SVG and JSP together: Using Sun Java Studio Creator with SVG. The chips are slated for release in devices around Christmas 2008. MapViewSVG 6 now offers new capabilities such as batch processing, = tiling of line layers, statistical functionalities, much better and = faster raster layer support etc. News items syndicated from svg. This is = the first release of Batik in approximately two years, and brings many = new features and improvements over version 1. Check an the alpha demo = of Xopus in Firefox. 7 Beta 1 The Apache Batik team is proud to announce the long-awaited = release of Apache Batik version 1. AmanithVG is entirely built on top of OpenGL (from 1. They are compatible with Firefox 2, Opera 9. Javascript support means that all AJAX goodness is available to you ! = org), Team Contact, for the SVG Working Group. 2, a cross platform = vector drawing application based on SVG. 0 implementation for = accelerated vector graphics. The chips are slated for release in devices = around Christmas 2008. 0 implementation for accelerated vector graphics. = In the demo you can see a pie chart which is drawn using SVG. For customizing the layout, you can again use Inkscape or SodiPodi. We greatly appreciate your feedback in our bugtracker and forums. SVG = Print is a set of guidelines to produce final-form documents in XML = suitible for archiving and printing. 0 build is available on Win32 = (x86), MacOS X (universal binary), Linux (x86), and FreeBSD (x86). = AmanithVG builds for embedded platforms (Linux embedded, Symbian S60 = 3rd) are available on request, they have been fully tested on Texas = Instrument OMAP2420 and Freescale i. 0, a cross platform vector drawing application based on SVG. ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C79600.D790DCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Developers lists svg-developers. = Scalable Vector=20 Graphics (SVG) About SVG .
The SVG Mobile Profiles: SVG Basic and = SVG Tiny are=20 targeted to resource-limited devices and are part of the 3GPP platform = for third=20 generation mobile phones. The PAG was launched in response to = disclosures by France=20 Telecom related to the Remote Events for XML (REX) = specification.
2007-01-18: SVG-Based Personal = Inflation Calculator=20 for the UK The UK Office for National Statistics published an = interactive=20 visualisation tool (charts, tables, etc. 2007-03-19: Using SVG with Sun = Java Studio=20 Creator The Java heads amongst you may wish to check out this article on = using SVG=20 and JSP together: Using Sun Java Studio Creator with SVG.
The chips are slated for release in = devices around=20 Christmas 2008.
MapViewSVG 6 now offers new = capabilities such as=20 batch processing, tiling of line layers, statistical functionalities, = much better=20 and faster raster layer support etc. News items syndicated from svg. = This is the=20 first release of Batik in approximately two years, and brings many new = features and=20 improvements over version 1. Check an the alpha demo of Xopus in=20 Firefox.
7 Beta 1 The Apache Batik team is proud = to announce=20 the long-awaited release of Apache Batik version 1.
AmanithVG is entirely built on top of = OpenGL (from=20 1.
They are compatible with Firefox 2, = Opera=20 9.
Javascript support means that all AJAX = goodness is=20 available to you ! org), Team Contact, for the SVG Working Group. 2, a = cross=20 platform vector drawing application based on SVG. 0 implementation for = accelerated=20 vector graphics. The chips are slated for release in devices around = Christmas 2008.=20 0 implementation for accelerated vector graphics. In the demo you can = see a pie=20 chart which is drawn using SVG.
For customizing the layout, you can = again use=20 Inkscape or SodiPodi.
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217.116.4.221 (HELO mail.fisalud.es) by lists.ietf.org with esmtp (@Z)M6839RS +G7)/,) id 3D?7P3-@(=3<<-M6 for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 06:28:34 -0300 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 06:28:34 -0300 From: "Cathy Gillis" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.80.03) Educational X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <988737872.64472146924137@thhebat.net> To: mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Get out of the obese crowd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------58401DA7C42C409" X-Spam: Not detected X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: df9edf1223802dd4cf213867a3af6121 ------------58401DA7C42C409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anatrim =96 The latest and most fascinating product for weighty people=20= available =96 As seen on ABC. Do you retain all the situations when you said to yourself you would do=20= anything for being delivered from this quickly growing pounds of fat?=20= Happily, now no great price is to be paid. With Anatrim, the=20= ground-shaking kilos-melting medley, you can achieve naturally health=20= lifestyle and a really slender figure. Have a look at what people state! 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Luis

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ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HpHmd-00062z-PG for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:47:18 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c3d0b7$138e20a0$067f2c5c@jx20> From: "Joanna Ybarra" To: "mpls-archive" Subject: Or glencarbon and haleyville Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 22:32:02 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1251"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.2962 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2962 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab HXPN IS GAINING GREAT MOMENTUM! WE ARE ABOUT TO SEE FIRWORKS! WATCH IT ON MONDAY MAY 21! __________ Company: Harris Exploration Inc Symbol: HXPN Price: 0.78 5-day Target: $2.5 Rating: Agressive Buy __________ HXPN HAS GAINED OVER 50% IN 2 DAYS! WE ARE EXPECTING GAINS TOPPING 200% AND MORE! GET IN NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN MAKE PROFIT! ________________________________________ formed a strong party in _his_ favor. They sent for him to come to solely a political arrangement. Physcon hated his wife, and had murdered level, and as the evaporation from it is not sufficient to produce rain, word, Alexandria became at once a great commercial capital. It was the him for his crimes. In this and in other similar ways she awakened among by some means or other, Philip discovered the intrigue. He went The circumstances of Ptolemy Physcon's accession to the throne afford into the apartment. It had the appearance of containing some magnificent by some means or other, Philip discovered the intrigue. He went quantity of rain amounting to more than ten feet in perpendicular height had been married long enough before the divorce, to have a son. The name From yvbadger@migomak.com Sat May 19 01:55:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HpHuN-0005oK-Dt for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:55:15 -0400 Received: from [58.141.96.81] (helo=migomak.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HpHuK-0000K3-Ov for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:55:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c79a25$b591fee0$007963b4@your3befe8e8ae> From: "Shannon Rhoades" To: "mpls-archive" Subject: That beaconsfield before glouster Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 14:55:15 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.181 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2720.1081 X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab HXPN IS GAINING GREAT MOMENTUM! WE ARE ABOUT TO SEE FIRWORKS! WATCH IT ON MONDAY MAY 21! __________ Company: Harris Exploration Inc Symbol: HXPN Price: 0.78 5-day Target: $2.5 Rating: Agressive Buy __________ HXPN HAS GAINED OVER 50% IN 2 DAYS! WE ARE EXPECTING GAINS TOPPING 200% AND MORE! GET IN NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN MAKE PROFIT! ________________________________________ animation. Merchant ships were continually coming and going, or lying at human flesh, which consisted of the rest of his body cut into pieces. seemed to be going on very successfully toward its accomplishment, when, in the most reckless and intolerable cruelty. The Ptolemies became, in enabling him to evince his gratitude. Ptolemy had been wounded by a been thus submerged a most rank and luxuriant vegetation. whole country consists, in those directions, of continuous tracts of came from Syria, from all the coasts of Asia Minor, from Greece, and such a step might possibly bring upon her absent boy. She quieted descent in its course to the sea. It is, however, not narrow, and the surrounding desolation, seem to the traveler to possess the verdure and From nig@scotia-mcleod.com Sat May 19 07:14:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HpMst-0000xK-5g for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 07:14:03 -0400 Received: from [80.251.55.14] (helo=adjnjy) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HpMsr-000212-Ep for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 07:14:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 2060 invoked from network); Sat, 19 May 2007 17:14:01 +0600 Received: from unknown (HELO rtut) (74.98.113.30) by adjnjy with SMTP; Sat, 19 May 2007 17:14:01 +0600 Message-ID: <002a01c79a06$cde02a90$1e71624a@rtut> From: "Alexander O. Albert" To: Subject: As a result, each seek, even in audio files, triggers a whole bunch of resynchronisation in a row as it's misreading header information and changing the sample rate quickly. Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:14:01 +0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 4.3 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a GPSI Announces Market Attack Into $1 Trillion Market! Global Payment Solutions Symbol: GPSI Price: $0.03 GPSI announced its plans to address the huge influx of immigrant workers into the US that need banking solutions that they otherwise would not qualify for. This market is expected to represent over $1 Trillion dollars to be managed by 2008. GPSI provides viable solutions to this market. This is hot, read the news and watch for more Monday! Get on GPSI first thing Monday! The log seemed to indicate that it wasn't able to play back any sample rate, and from that point on everything failed. This one has a huge atmospheric soaring sound. As a result, each seek, even in audio files, triggers a whole bunch of resynchronisation in a row as it's misreading header information and changing the sample rate quickly. module, To the Moon and Beyond with NASA's LRO Mission, is now available. Register for this free seminar today. It's another bug that gets exposed sometimes because of a race. A very nice drop of at least five meters awaited me beyond the cliff, which was both scary and very exhilarating at the same time. Some of this literature also relates to specimens held in the Geological Collections of the University Museum of Natural History, records and images of which are available on-line. Near Jupiter, the Asteroid Vesta can be seen beginning in late May through September. There is a bell on the desk to ring for assistance. The interns should apply for a library card, either in person or on-line using our intranet form. On bugs like these it's best to work from the outside in, and first fix the bugs at the top of the stack. Rebuilding Fedora packages, seems to work fine. Made releases of core, plugins, and ffmpeg. These people really don't care that xine or mplayer is not distributable as is. Not even, say, Antitrust ? Rebuilding Fedora packages, seems to work fine. Register for this free seminar today. As a result, each seek, even in audio files, triggers a whole bunch of resynchronisation in a row as it's misreading header information and changing the sample rate quickly. Xclients and replace each "exec" instance with "exec ssh-agent". Traced it down to return values not being checked causing the program not to say anything about not wanting to do anything. Life Saw a poster this week for a great music festival at the end of May in the middle of Barcelona ! Science and Engineering Visualization Challenge Created any stunning graphics recently? I was glad to be back home anyway. These may then be projected as a GIF, JPG or PNG equirectangular map image. Beside Wilco, PJ Harvey and Elbow, the Pixies are playing ! Work Sifted through tons of mail, still going. A very nice drop of at least five meters awaited me beyond the cliff, which was both scary and very exhilarating at the same time. On the one hand, they might be right. If you are an advisor, remember to get any interlibrary loan requests in early. Xclients-default edit . As for snowboarding, I had a great time. In these cases, licenses need to be bought to allow the framework to legally play back these formats. If so, then your name may be in the Library of Congress Name Authority File. If you're ever around, go over and buy some almonds or hazel nuts. It made me realize though that even though I love my new life, I do miss my old friends. You can play this game either completely on an emotional level, or completely on a tactical level, or combine bits, or only look at what happens between start and end of night, and so on. The Science and Engineering Visualization Challenge might provide an opportunity to get some recognition for your work. But this one flows from beginning to end, hinting at their later potential. OTOH, my left middlefinger hurts a bit from RSI. So I decided to switch off my brain and go straight ahead. The first one was that after my return from holidays, GstPlay wasn't able to play back anything anymore. 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ITU meet in two weeks and I propose to send this off tomorrow incorporating any appropriate comments from the MPLS and PWE3 WGs. Thanks Stewart For Action The IETF PWE3 and MPLS WGs are becoming increasingly concerned at the potential impact of the proposed re-engineering of MPLS by ITU SG15 to make it more suitable as 'a transport network'. Input from network operators indicates that the key requirements is the transparent carriage of the MPLS network of one party over the MPLS network of another party, with the constraint that the MPLS design MUST NOT be changed and that the solution MUST be compatible with their existing large base of already deployed MPLS networks. Having studied the requirements liaised by SG15 to the IETF https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=287 and considered the key issues noted above, the IETF PWE3 and MPLS WGs have formed the view that the essential requirements of operators can be satisfied by existing IETF protocols. We therefore liaise the following standards track internet draft for your information and would welcome any comments you have on it. 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Section 4.7.2 and A.3 The PWE3 WG is concerned that the OAM is not based on VCCV. Any true subset of the IETF PWE3/MPLS design should allow the use of the IETF preferred OAM mechanism. This does not preclude the ITU specifying an additional mechanism as an optional extension to enhance VCCV, although it would be preferable for the ITU to work with the IETF to enhance VCCV to provide the additional OAM mechanisms that are needed. The PWE3 WG is not clear how you determine that the client signal is not present when the client is a packet service. Section 4.10 "– Minimize the rerouting distance (to avoid physical layer impairments on the signals)." We do not understand why in a well engineered network the distance in the virtual layer providing reroute has impact results in physical layer impairments Appendix V The introductory material to Appendix V states that it will be re-written at some time in the future to align with the IETF work on p2mp LSPs. We would therefore request that you liaise the final text to us when it is completed. As it stands the text of Appendix V looks correct, however we do have two proposals that we would ask you consider 1. We recommend that Upstream Assigned Labels be used over P2MP connections, or at least that you note in the text that generally administration of labels is simplified by using upstream assignment in this scenario. 2. That you include a reference to RFC 4875 (RSVP-P2MP) as this discusses many issues pertaining to P2MP MPLS connections. 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I belive the draft addresses real deployment/scale issues.=20 Prashant -----Original Message----- From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.se]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:10 PM To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: Ross Callon; David Ward Subject: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument Working Group, the authors of draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt has requested that the draft is made a working group document. Send your comments (pros or cons) to the working group mailing list, or directly to the working group co-chairs. Loa and George -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed May 23 11:10:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqsU9-0002fi-2C; Wed, 23 May 2007 11:10:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqsU6-0002fU-Fi; Wed, 23 May 2007 11:10:42 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqsU4-0006Z9-2m; Wed, 23 May 2007 11:10:42 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 May 2007 17:10:37 +0200 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4NFAbrc005996; Wed, 23 May 2007 17:10:37 +0200 Received: from dhcp-gpk02-vlan300-64-103-65-150.cisco.com (dhcp-gpk02-vlan300-64-103-65-150.cisco.com [64.103.65.150]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l4NFAbDR007188; Wed, 23 May 2007 15:10:37 GMT Message-ID: <4654596B.4060509@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:10:35 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pwe3 , mpls@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060009000801060109090805" DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3175; t=1179933037; x=1180797037; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=stbryant@cisco.com; z=From:=20Stewart=20Bryant=20 |Subject:=20[Fwd=3A=20PWE3=20and=20MPLS=20WG=20response=20to=20G.8110.1=2 0Amendment=201] |Sender:=20; bh=aXAlMhsHfcNFKqKDJI5WG4pCjZMBTctMtVgdCG0JOMo=; b=Nakf9HdVScKjgHGrbX28Q+sceyZGFPXAOxwUULoh1wQAiH0bcSPDYtK/tduKtbm0K/JZzRmG IbuK3CGguY6R16TmIA+eBJaayGgrs11JOnU/b9ovRqh37/C1yFpp0Oa2; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=stbryant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: betts01@nortel.com Subject: [mpls] [Fwd: PWE3 and MPLS WG response to G.8110.1 Amendment 1] X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060009000801060109090805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resending directly to the lists and to SG15Q12 chair as the msg may appear as spam due to number of addressees - Stewart --------------060009000801060109090805 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="PWE3 and MPLS WG response to G.8110.1 Amendment 1.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename*0="PWE3 and MPLS WG response to G.8110.1 Amendment 1.eml" Message-ID: <46543EDE.9020604@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:17:18 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tsbsg15@itu.int, tsbsg13@itu.int, greg.jones@itu.int, statements@ietf.org CC: Stewart Bryant , Danny McPherson , Loa Andersson , "George Swallow (swallow)" , sob@harvard.edu, Jari Arkko , Mark Townsley , David Ward , Ross Callon , yoichi.maeda@ntt-at.co.jp, sjtrowbridge@lucent.com, pwe3 , mpls@ietf.org, betts01@nortel.com, Adrian Farrel , dbrungard@att.com Subject: PWE3 and MPLS WG response to G.8110.1 Amendment 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To ITU SG15 CC ITU SG13 For Action The IETF PWE3 and MPLS WGs are becoming increasingly concerned at the potential impact of the proposed re-engineering of MPLS by ITU SG13 and SG15 to make it more suitable as "a transport network" called "T-MPLS". Input from network operators indicates that the key requirements is the transparent carriage of the MPLS network of one party over the MPLS network of another party, with the constraint that the MPLS design MUST NOT be changed and that the solution MUST be compatible with their existing large base of already deployed MPLS networks. Having studied the requirements liaised by SG15 to the IETF https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=287 and considered the key issues noted above, the IETF PWE3 and MPLS WGs have formed the view that the essential requirements of operators can be satisfied by existing IETF protocols. We therefore liaise the following standards track internet draft for your information and would welcome any comments you have on it. It would be useful if your response were available for us to consider at IETF69 which meets on 22 July 2007. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-transport-00.txt On a more general note please can we draw the attention of ITU SG15 to ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/internet-drafts/draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-08.txt Regards Stewart Bryant on behalf of IETF PWE3 and MPLS Co-chairs _______________________________________________ pwe3 mailing list pwe3@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3 --------------060009000801060109090805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --------------060009000801060109090805-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed May 23 11:12:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqsVN-0003mK-1q; 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charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resending directly to list and SG15Q12 chair as the msg may appear as spam due to number of recipients - Stewart --------------070300090701080804040506 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="ITU SG15 Q12 Liaison Progress on G.8110.1 Amendment.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename*0="ITU SG15 Q12 Liaison Progress on G.8110.1 Amendment.eml" Message-ID: <4654411D.7070405@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:26:53 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tsbsg15@itu.int CC: stbryant@cisco.com, tsbsg13@itu.int, greg.jones@itu.int, statements@ietf.org, Danny McPherson , Loa Andersson , "George Swallow (swallow)" , sob@harvard.edu, Jari Arkko , Mark Townsley , David Ward , Ross Callon , yoichi.maeda@ntt-at.co.jp, sjtrowbridge@lucent.com, pwe3 , mpls@ietf.org, betts01@nortel.com, Adrian Farrel , dbrungard@att.com, Ghani.Abbas@ericsson.com Subject: ITU SG15 Q12 Liaison Progress on G.8110.1 Amendment References: <46543EDE.9020604@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46543EDE.9020604@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To ITU SG15 CC ITU SG13 For Action The PWE3 and MPLS WGs have studied ITU SG15 Q12 Liaison Progress on G.8110.1 Amendment https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=312 and have the following comments on the document: Section 3.5 Transport MPLS definition Should be amended to make it clear TMPLS is a true subset of IETF PWE3 over MPLS and that in the case of any differences, the IETF definition is considered the Normative definition. Section 4.7.2 and A.3 The PWE3 WG is concerned that the OAM is not based on VCCV. Any true subset of the IETF PWE3/MPLS design should allow the use of the IETF preferred OAM mechanism. This does not preclude the ITU specifying an additional mechanism as an optional extension to enhance VCCV, although it would be preferable for the ITU to work with the IETF to enhance VCCV to provide the additional OAM mechanisms that are needed. The PWE3 WG is not clear how you determine that the client signal is not present when the client is a packet service. Section 4.10 "– Minimize the rerouting distance (to avoid physical layer impairments on the signals)." We do not understand why in a well engineered network the distance in the virtual layer providing reroute has impact results in physical layer impairments Appendix V The introductory material to Appendix V states that it will be re-written at some time in the future to align with the IETF work on p2mp LSPs. We would therefore request that you liaise the final text to us when it is completed. As it stands the text of Appendix V looks correct, however we do have two proposals that we would ask you consider 1. We recommend that Upstream Assigned Labels be used over P2MP connections, or at least that you note in the text that generally administration of labels is simplified by using upstream assignment in this scenario. 2. That you include a reference to RFC 4875 (RSVP-P2MP) as this discusses many issues pertaining to P2MP MPLS connections. The PWE3 and MPLS WGs will meet at IETF69 on 22 July 2007, and we would request a response in time for us to consider at the meeting. Regards Stewart Bryant on behalf of IETF PWE3 and MPLS Co-chairs --------------070300090701080804040506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --------------070300090701080804040506-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 02:37:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hr6x2-0007wK-5g; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:37:32 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hr6x0-0007w2-7Y for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:37:30 -0400 Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.53]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hr6wy-0000uA-Bh for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:37:30 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in [172.24.2.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JIJ005V390XGF@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for mpls@ietf.org; 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"David Ward" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 1:10 AM Subject: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wg document > Working Group, > > the authors of draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt has > requested that the draft is made a working group document. > > Send your comments (pros or cons) to the working group > mailing list, or directly to the working group co-chairs. > > Loa and George > > -- > Loa Andersson > > Principal Networking Architect > Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 > Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 > Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se > loa@pi.se > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 10:28:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrEI3-0005oD-QE; Thu, 24 May 2007 10:27:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrEI2-0005kQ-TU for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 10:27:42 -0400 Received: from [80.86.78.228] (helo=smtp.testbed.se) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrEI1-0005Il-Jb for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 10:27:42 -0400 Received: from h241n2fls33o874.telia.com ([213.66.47.241] helo=[192.168.0.100]) by fw.testbed.se with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1HrEHz-0003UL-EC for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 16:27:40 +0200 Message-ID: <4655A0D4.7070903@pi.se> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:27:32 +0200 From: Loa Andersson Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wg document References: <465323F0.30305@pi.se> In-Reply-To: <465323F0.30305@pi.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org the poll will end June 5 /Loa Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > the authors of draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt has > requested that the draft is made a working group document. > > Send your comments (pros or cons) to the working group > mailing list, or directly to the working group co-chairs. > > Loa and George > -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 11:05:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrEsT-0007YU-Nf; 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Thu, 24 May 2007 11:05:02 -0400 Received: from swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com ([10.86.116.2]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 May 2007 11:05:01 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1393642334C; Thu, 24 May 2007 11:05:00 -0400 (EDT) To: mpls@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wg document In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 May 2007 16:27:32 +0200." <4655A0D4.7070903@pi.se> From: George Swallow X-Mailer: MH-E 7.4.3; nmh 1.2; GNU Emacs 21.2.1 Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:05:00 -0400 Message-Id: <20070524150500.1393642334C@swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 15:05:01.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[E721B930:01C79E14] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=648; t=1180019118; x=1180883118; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=swallow@cisco.com; z=From:=20George=20Swallow=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[mpls]=20poll=20on=20draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interare a-04.txt=20as=20wg=20document=20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20mpls@ietf.org; bh=ZfIe7kDmzK+/pKe/qVjLOdlE1ehJtxFa4P5cwvRDX4M=; b=jMXBLUKl7FqzpnuRmy5MLaL5SRUELZmr/oCIqoEVOwfKALqOfybWFIpgJffY1waiqbmbduSL dZaWRwnXdkcPz7CTt3LQXQU2BA2ENnOdwmAX9LV2TUJbadQttONyioE9; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=swallow@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org [Chair hat off] I still believe that this won't drastically reduce state or processing. One of the points in support of this was reduction of compute time for dijkstas. Much of this could be gotten by noting what prefixes are advertised by the set of ABRs and caching the result of just one. (If implementations aren't already doing this). I remain unenthusiastic. ...George ======================================================================== George Swallow Cisco Systems (978) 936-1398 1414 Massachusetts Avenue Boxborough, MA 01719 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 11:42:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrFSA-0006xZ-J2; Thu, 24 May 2007 11:42:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrFS9-0006xU-Gd for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 11:42:13 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrFS9-0007Kq-4b for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 11:42:13 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-7.cisco.com ([171.68.10.88]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 May 2007 08:42:12 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,574,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="157112108:sNHT44259012" Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (sj-core-4.cisco.com [171.68.223.138]) by sj-dkim-7.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4OFgCoS003392 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:42:12 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l4OFfeVP018085 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:42:12 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 May 2007 11:41:56 -0400 Received: from [10.83.15.57] ([10.83.15.57]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 May 2007 11:41:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20070524150500.1393642334C@swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com> References: <20070524150500.1393642334C@swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" Subject: Re: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wg document Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:41:55 -0400 To: George Swallow X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 15:41:56.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EFE65C0:01C79E1A] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2447; t=1180021332; x=1180885332; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim7002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=tnadeau@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Thomas=20D.=20Nadeau=22=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[mpls]=20poll=20on=20draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interare a-04.txt=20as=20wg=20document=20 |Sender:=20; bh=75WhGdxuQGMsuHIpRlrz5qAV+pqeqUf09gbRzRqTVlk=; b=Ecg8QIMpASopQpAElL/Q9U9JDt/H0cuWnQfWaBFGCwn/vTGTEaqil++8+0pEUifvw+UWC1hN O5Xl70AXtEid/cOmoWz4rIbqbc29RCYjqEVowO00gA1/K3JYg94r3SWw; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-7; header.From=tnadeau@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim7002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org I agree with George here. I have a few other concerns about this approach. First, I am concerned that it might actually increase convergence times. The document itself even leaves the door open to this: 7.2. Impact on routing convergence time In case of an egress LER failure, performing IP route aggregation on ABRs will change the routing convergence behavior. The IGP will not propagate the notification of the egress LER failure outside of the egress area and failure notification will rely on LDP signaling through the end-to-end propagation of the LDP withdraw message. This failure notification may be faster or slower depending on the implementations, the IGP timers used and the network topology (network diameter). For failure of links and other nodes (Ps, ABRs), the failure notification and the convergence is unchanged. The convergence time may be improved because the RIB has fewer entries to update. Second, there is a note in the document that acknowledges that the use of LDP to bind labels to routes not installed by the IGP is explicitly prohibited by RFC3036. I believe this architectural decision was made for a good reason. Changing this not only leaves the potential for routing to be messed up, but it also will require some significant changes to the way in which implementations realize LDP and its interaction with the FIB. In my opinion, the benefits of such a significant change are probably outweighed by the negative aspects given the marginal improvement this results in. --Tom > [Chair hat off] > > I still believe that this won't drastically reduce state or > processing. > One of the points in support of this was reduction of compute time for > dijkstas. Much of this could be gotten by noting what prefixes are > advertised by the set of ABRs and caching the result of just one. (If > implementations aren't already doing this). > > I remain unenthusiastic. > > ...George > > ====================================================================== > == > George Swallow Cisco Systems (978) > 936-1398 > 1414 Massachusetts Avenue > Boxborough, MA 01719 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 12:12:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrFvo-00014A-OB; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:12:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrFvm-000143-C3 for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:12:50 -0400 Received: from borg.juniper.net ([207.17.137.119] helo=smtpb.juniper.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrFvk-0006Jw-OL for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:12:50 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO merlot.juniper.net) ([172.17.27.10]) by smtpb.juniper.net with ESMTP/TLS/DES-CBC3-SHA; 24 May 2007 09:12:48 -0700 Received: from garnet.juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id l4OGClJ49346; Thu, 24 May 2007 09:12:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ina@juniper.net) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:12:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ina Minei To: George Swallow Subject: Re: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wg document In-Reply-To: <20070524150500.1393642334C@swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com> Message-ID: <20070524090943.E47861@garnet.juniper.net> References: <20070524150500.1393642334C@swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org George, The main reason for this was to avoid leaking PE loopback addresses across areas. This reduces the state maintained in the IGP. Ina On Thu, 24 May 2007, George Swallow wrote: > [Chair hat off] > > I still believe that this won't drastically reduce state or processing. > One of the points in support of this was reduction of compute time for > dijkstas. Much of this could be gotten by noting what prefixes are > advertised by the set of ABRs and caching the result of just one. (If > implementations aren't already doing this). > > I remain unenthusiastic. > > ...George > > ======================================================================== > George Swallow Cisco Systems (978) 936-1398 > 1414 Massachusetts Avenue > Boxborough, MA 01719 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 12:19:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrG2U-0006Oi-8B; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:19:46 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrG2T-0006KU-8V for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:19:45 -0400 Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrG2R-0008QT-Rg for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:19:45 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 May 2007 18:19:28 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:19:35 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070524090943.E47861@garnet.juniper.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument Thread-Index: AceeHmZjQ8ZdFqyBSSWx7/1hd1l9RAAADcVA References: <20070524150500.1393642334C@swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com> <20070524090943.E47861@garnet.juniper.net> From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" To: "Ina Minei" , "George Swallow" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 16:19:28.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DABD4B0:01C79E1F] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi George, Yes, as pointed out by Ina, the main goal is not to reduce spf time, but = rather to avoid overloading the IGP with reachability info. Advertising all /32 prefixes significantly diminishes the=20 benefits of deploying a multi-area IGP. Best Regards, JL =20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Ina Minei [mailto:ina@juniper.net]=20 > Envoy=E9 : jeudi 24 mai 2007 18:13 > =C0 : George Swallow > Cc : mpls@ietf.org > Objet : Re: [mpls] poll on=20 > draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument=20 >=20 >=20 > George, >=20 > The main reason for this was to avoid leaking PE=20 > loopback addresses across areas. This reduces the state=20 > maintained in the IGP. >=20 > Ina >=20 > On Thu, 24 May 2007, George Swallow wrote: >=20 > > [Chair hat off] > > > > I still believe that this won't drastically reduce state or=20 > processing. > > One of the points in support of this was reduction of=20 > compute time for=20 > > dijkstas. Much of this could be gotten by noting what prefixes are=20 > > advertised by the set of ABRs and caching the result of=20 > just one. (If=20 > > implementations aren't already doing this). > > > > I remain unenthusiastic. > > > > ...George > > > >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > George Swallow Cisco Systems =20 > (978) 936-1398 > > 1414 Massachusetts Avenue > > Boxborough, MA 01719 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@lists.ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 12:21:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrG4O-0000GO-4G; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:21:44 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrG4N-0000Df-Ez for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:21:43 -0400 Received: from kremlin.juniper.net ([207.17.137.120] helo=smtpa.juniper.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrG4M-0000bm-4K for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:21:43 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO merlot.juniper.net) ([172.17.27.10]) by smtpa.juniper.net with ESMTP/TLS/DES-CBC3-SHA; 24 May 2007 09:21:42 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,574,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="8392756:sNHT153443488" Received: from garnet.juniper.net (garnet.juniper.net [172.17.28.17]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id l4OGLfJ51363; Thu, 24 May 2007 09:21:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ina@juniper.net) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:21:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Ina Minei To: "Thomas D. Nadeau" Subject: Re: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wg document In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070524091250.F47861@garnet.juniper.net> References: <20070524150500.1393642334C@swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tom, Please see inline below, ###. > > I agree with George here. I have a few other > concerns about this approach. First, I am concerned > that it might actually increase convergence > times. ### The concern you are raising is that we now rely on the propagation of label withdrawals, rather than on reaction to IGP changes. This is the price one has to pay to maintain the small IGP state and the cleanliness of the network design. It is up to the provider to decide if this tradeoff is acceptable. The behavior described in the draft is enabled via configuration. On a side note, the diameter of each area is typically only a few hops, so the propagation of withdrawl messages should not be a concern. Besides, IGP messages don't propagate by magic either, they also need to travel in the network :-) > > Second, there is a note in the document that acknowledges > that the use of LDP to bind labels to routes not installed by > the IGP is explicitly prohibited by RFC3036. I believe this > architectural decision was made for a good reason. ### According to the authors of 3036, the reason was that it was the easiest to ensure no loops. Changing this > not only leaves the potential for routing to be messed up, ### So far nobody has come up with a good scenario on how this can happen. > but it also will require some significant changes to the > way in which implementations realize LDP and its interaction with > the FIB. ### Implementation details are vendor-specific. Ina In my opinion, the benefits of such a significant change are > probably outweighed by the negative aspects given the marginal improvement > this results in. > > --Tom > > > > > >> [Chair hat off] >> >> I still believe that this won't drastically reduce state or processing. >> One of the points in support of this was reduction of compute time for >> dijkstas. Much of this could be gotten by noting what prefixes are >> advertised by the set of ABRs and caching the result of just one. (If >> implementations aren't already doing this). >> >> I remain unenthusiastic. >> >> ...George >> >> ======================================================================== >> George Swallow Cisco Systems (978) 936-1398 >> 1414 Massachusetts Avenue >> Boxborough, MA 01719 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpls mailing list >> mpls@lists.ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 14:16:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrHrC-0003bz-SE; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:16:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrHr8-0003bN-Rc for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:16:10 -0400 Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrHr7-000388-Dh for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:16:10 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel3.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.155]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 May 2007 20:16:06 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:15:53 +0200 Message-ID: <5A0FF108221C7C4E85738678804B567C04BD7882@ftrdmel3.rd.francetelecom.fr> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument Thread-Index: AceeGikfNV4k7pqaQNCfCziGy8JXtwAFDrMg References: <20070524150500.1393642334C@swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com> From: "DECRAENE Bruno RD-CORE-ISS" To: "Thomas D. Nadeau" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 18:16:06.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[989176F0:01C79E2F] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf3becbbd6d1a45acbe2ffd4ab88bdc2 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thomas, =20 > I agree with George here. I have a few other > concerns about this approach. First, I am concerned > that it might actually increase convergence > times. =20 For all links failures, the convergence behaviour is unchanged. For all Ps and ABRs nodes failures, the convergence behaviour is unchanged. For PE failure, the convergence behaviour is indeed changed as indicated in the draft. However, this does not mean that it will necessary be longer. Remember that to propagate PE failure, the IGP will need three *consecutive* convergences. One per area (egrees, backbone, ingress). Besides, as indicated by Ina IGP messages also need to be propagated hop by hop.=20 > The document itself even leaves the door open to this: >=20 > 7.2. Impact on routing convergence time >=20 > In case of an egress LER failure, performing IP route aggregation on > ABRs will change the routing convergence behavior. The IGP will not > propagate the notification of the egress LER failure outside of the > egress area and failure notification will rely on LDP signaling > through the end-to-end propagation of the LDP withdraw message. This > failure notification may be faster or slower depending on the > implementations, the IGP timers used and the network topology > (network diameter). >=20 > For failure of links and other nodes (Ps, ABRs), the failure > notification and the convergence is unchanged. The convergence time > may be improved because the RIB has fewer entries to update. >=20 > Second, there is a note in the document that acknowledges > that the use of LDP to bind labels to routes not installed by > the IGP is explicitly prohibited by RFC3036. I believe this > architectural decision was made for a good reason. Could you please elaborate on these reasons? > Changing this > not only leaves the potential for routing to be messed up, > but it also will require some significant changes to the > way in which implementations realize LDP and its interaction with > the FIB. In my opinion, the benefits of such a significant change are > probably outweighed by the negative aspects given the marginal > improvement > this results in. >=20 > --Tom >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > [Chair hat off] > > > > I still believe that this won't drastically reduce state or > > processing. > > One of the points in support of this was reduction of compute time for > > dijkstas. Much of this could be gotten by noting what prefixes are > > advertised by the set of ABRs and caching the result of just one. (If > > implementations aren't already doing this). > > > > I remain unenthusiastic. > > > > ...George > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =3D=3D > > George Swallow Cisco Systems (978) > > 936-1398 > > 1414 Massachusetts Avenue > > Boxborough, MA 01719 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@lists.ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 14:28:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrI30-0000Hw-2z; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:28:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrI2y-0000Hj-I1 for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:28:24 -0400 Received: from paperclip.laurelnetworks.com ([63.94.127.69]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrI2w-0006cq-6h for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:28:24 -0400 Received: from notepad.laurelnetworks.com (notepad.laurelnetworks.com [63.94.127.20]) by paperclip.laurelnetworks.com (ECI-DND/ECI-DND) with ESMTP id l4OISJSY009922; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:28:19 -0400 Received: from sherlock.pit.laurelnetworks.com (dryer.pit.laurelnetworks.com [10.0.0.47]) by notepad.laurelnetworks.com (ECI-DND/ECI-DND) with ESMTP id l4OISJNu019556; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:28:19 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:28:18 -0400 Message-ID: <881AED8499C45A4DBDA81F2FB95A2CD201023FDE@SHERLOCK.pit.laurelnetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <20070524091250.F47861@garnet.juniper.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument Thread-Index: AceeH6TLkfT+R3kjR+OsagPdKA9HDQAEGKFQ References: <20070524150500.1393642334C@swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com> <20070524091250.F47861@garnet.juniper.net> From: "Prashant Desai" To: "Ina Minei" , "Thomas D. Nadeau" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 67c1ea29f88502ef6a32ccec927970f0 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org I very much agree with Ina... 1) Let the operator/provider decide on his/her "state vs convergence" trade-offs. Tom's point sounds analogus to the IETF dictating "one cannot have more then 'n' routers in an IGP area as it affects convergence".=20 2) Pl. provide concrete examples on routing issues. 3) LDP/FIB interaction is strictly a vendor/implementation issue. I can at least say that we (ECI/Laurel) have this draft implemented on our routers without any complications. Thanks Prashant -----Original Message----- From: Ina Minei [mailto:ina@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:22 PM To: Thomas D. Nadeau Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument=20 Tom, Please see inline below, ###. > > I agree with George here. I have a few other concerns about this > approach. First, I am concerned that it might actually increase=20 > convergence times. ### The concern you are raising is that we now rely on the propagation of label withdrawals, rather than on reaction to IGP changes. This is the price one has to pay to maintain the small IGP state and the cleanliness of the network design. It is up to the provider to decide if this tradeoff is acceptable. The behavior described in the draft is enabled via configuration. On a side note, the diameter of each area is typically only a few hops, so the propagation of withdrawl messages should not be a concern. Besides, IGP messages don't propagate by magic either, they also need to travel in the network :-) > > Second, there is a note in the document that acknowledges that the=20 > use of LDP to bind labels to routes not installed by the IGP is=20 > explicitly prohibited by RFC3036. I believe this architectural=20 > decision was made for a good reason. ### According to the authors of 3036, the reason was that it was the easiest to ensure no loops. Changing this > not only leaves the potential for routing to be messed up, ### So far nobody has come up with a good scenario on how this can happen. > but it also will require some significant changes to the way in which=20 > implementations realize LDP and its interaction with the FIB. ### Implementation details are vendor-specific. Ina In my opinion, the benefits of such a significant change are > probably outweighed by the negative aspects given the marginal=20 > improvement this results in. > > --Tom > > > > > >> [Chair hat off] >>=20 >> I still believe that this won't drastically reduce state or processing. >> One of the points in support of this was reduction of compute time=20 >> for dijkstas. Much of this could be gotten by noting what prefixes=20 >> are advertised by the set of ABRs and caching the result of just one. >> (If implementations aren't already doing this). >>=20 >> I remain unenthusiastic. >>=20 >> ...George >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> George Swallow Cisco Systems (978) 936-1398 >> 1414 Massachusetts Avenue >> Boxborough, MA 01719 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> mpls mailing list >> mpls@lists.ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 14:43:51 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrIHs-0002pW-9t; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:43:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hqkdb-00025y-Oq for mpls@ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 02:47:59 -0400 Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hqkda-0001fA-8z for mpls@ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 02:47:59 -0400 Received: from FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.153]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 May 2007 08:47:55 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:47:42 +0200 Message-ID: <8AA97249241F7148BE6D3D8B93D83F5A0E50FA32@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> In-Reply-To: <465323F0.30305@pi.se> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument Thread-Index: AceclB5HHEnf5ysTTqiGM7a6ZBA6wwAcg4Rw References: <465323F0.30305@pi.se> From: "JACQUENET Christian RD-DDEV-REN" To: "Loa Andersson" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2007 06:47:55.0725 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B03BFD0:01C79D06] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:43:46 -0400 Cc: Ross Callon , David Ward X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Dear all, I support this draft as a WG document. Cheers, Christian.=20 -----Message d'origine----- De : Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.se]=20 Envoy=E9 : mardi 22 mai 2007 19:10 =C0 : mpls@ietf.org Cc : Ross Callon; David Ward Objet : [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as = wgdocument Working Group, the authors of draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt has requested = that the draft is made a working group document. Send your comments (pros or cons) to the working group mailing list, or = directly to the working group co-chairs. Loa and George -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 14:43:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrIHw-0002ta-6u; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:43:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hr84p-0002jd-E6 for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:49:39 -0400 Received: from mx2.jrc.it ([139.191.1.110]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hr84m-0000iz-EL for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:49:39 -0400 Received: from irelay.jrc.it (irelay.jrc.it [139.191.254.63]) by mx2.jrc.it (LMC5614Amx2) with ESMTP id l4O7n2tu006246; Thu, 24 May 2007 09:49:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cheetah-1.jrc.it (cheetah-1.jrc.it [139.191.243.17]) by irelay.jrc.it (LMC5614Ainternal) with ESMTP id l4O7lTS0016652; Thu, 24 May 2007 09:48:54 +0200 (MEST) Received: from CSPC65 (139.191.42.65) by cheetah-1.jrc.it (7.1.006) (authenticated as nicolas.dubois) id 45C0D425001E15ED; Thu, 24 May 2007 09:48:12 +0200 From: "Nicolas Dubois" To: Subject: RE: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt aswgdocument Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:53:04 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c79dd8$8f81e560$412abf8b@cs.jrc.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aced2I75FTXUnMrSSsuN/kVi1Ev2Tw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 36c793b20164cfe75332aa66ddb21196 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:43:46 -0400 Cc: rcallon@juniper.net, dward@cisco.com X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0860104437==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0860104437== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C79DE9.530AB560" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C79DE9.530AB560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Idem, I'm in favor of this draft. I believe the draft addresses real deployment/scale issues. BR, Nicolas Dubois ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C79DE9.530AB560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Idem,

     

    I’m in favor = of this draft. I believe the draft addresses real deployment/scale issues. =

     

    BR,

     

    Nicolas Dubois

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C79DE9.530AB560-- --===============0860104437== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============0860104437==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 14:43:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrIHt-0002qB-FM; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:43:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hqqig-0001SU-Fv; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:17:38 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hqqif-0002KA-1Y; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:17:38 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 May 2007 15:17:34 +0200 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4NDHXMl027123; Wed, 23 May 2007 15:17:33 +0200 Received: from dhcp-gpk02-vlan300-64-103-65-150.cisco.com (dhcp-gpk02-vlan300-64-103-65-150.cisco.com [64.103.65.150]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l4NDHKDR001191; Wed, 23 May 2007 13:17:20 GMT Message-ID: <46543EDE.9020604@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:17:18 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tsbsg15@itu.int, tsbsg13@itu.int, greg.jones@itu.int, statements@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1632; t=1179926253; x=1180790253; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=stbryant@cisco.com; z=From:=20Stewart=20Bryant=20 |Subject:=20PWE3=20and=20MPLS=20WG=20response=20to=20G.8110.1=20Amendment =201 |Sender:=20; bh=WIcWizO6H5+SXJQdsLDXixhpc/L149AiPt9Rw9TnxHs=; b=j8PFRv6lTuSUeAGAqqfLB633M5omg+tL9RqOTZ9EWTmO4iexIZwXGs7D6zIBp/ZMl76zLVzW H/CBrvh1+ggEvgpF8N2eXbTJE9sx0VDQNAJIjps2XAcTkd1eQcTV5hRA; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=stbryant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:43:46 -0400 Cc: sjtrowbridge@lucent.com, mpls@ietf.org, pwe3 , sob@harvard.edu, yoichi.maeda@ntt-at.co.jp, Ross Callon , Jari Arkko , David Ward , Mark Townsley , betts01@nortel.com, Stewart Bryant Subject: [mpls] PWE3 and MPLS WG response to G.8110.1 Amendment 1 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org To ITU SG15 CC ITU SG13 For Action The IETF PWE3 and MPLS WGs are becoming increasingly concerned at the potential impact of the proposed re-engineering of MPLS by ITU SG13 and SG15 to make it more suitable as "a transport network" called "T-MPLS". Input from network operators indicates that the key requirements is the transparent carriage of the MPLS network of one party over the MPLS network of another party, with the constraint that the MPLS design MUST NOT be changed and that the solution MUST be compatible with their existing large base of already deployed MPLS networks. Having studied the requirements liaised by SG15 to the IETF https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=287 and considered the key issues noted above, the IETF PWE3 and MPLS WGs have formed the view that the essential requirements of operators can be satisfied by existing IETF protocols. We therefore liaise the following standards track internet draft for your information and would welcome any comments you have on it. It would be useful if your response were available for us to consider at IETF69 which meets on 22 July 2007. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-transport-00.txt On a more general note please can we draw the attention of ITU SG15 to ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/internet-drafts/draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-08.txt Regards Stewart Bryant on behalf of IETF PWE3 and MPLS Co-chairs _______________________________________________ pwe3 mailing list pwe3@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 14:43:51 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrIHu-0002qq-OC; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:43:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hqqrf-0006Lx-Ug; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:26:55 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hqqrf-0004X7-JJ; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:26:55 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 May 2007 15:26:55 +0200 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4NDQsm6030238; Wed, 23 May 2007 15:26:54 +0200 Received: from dhcp-gpk02-vlan300-64-103-65-150.cisco.com (dhcp-gpk02-vlan300-64-103-65-150.cisco.com [64.103.65.150]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l4NDQrDR004495; Wed, 23 May 2007 13:26:53 GMT Message-ID: <4654411D.7070405@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:26:53 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tsbsg15@itu.int References: <46543EDE.9020604@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46543EDE.9020604@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2261; t=1179926814; x=1180790814; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=stbryant@cisco.com; z=From:=20Stewart=20Bryant=20 |Subject:=20ITU=20SG15=20Q12=20Liaison=20Progress=20on=20G.8110.1=20Amend ment=20 |Sender:=20; bh=I1tlS9lc17+pA5me0u4RXi04QpNc9aSoTeejOXe/QwY=; b=ZPSB2z6mNxQTceS6witpt22Vs3OoSOYyP42M5fJQc6uzUwSiSvDJFWHkzybsbm99IshaCUXN 95FidDZ9TADF6ExsARg+vYeRPsUdPYlkGTvAl1ExjTloV4SXv61hd/Rf; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=stbryant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:43:46 -0400 Cc: sjtrowbridge@lucent.com, greg.jones@itu.int, mpls@ietf.org, pwe3 , statements@ietf.org, sob@harvard.edu, yoichi.maeda@ntt-at.co.jp, Ross Callon , Ghani.Abbas@ericsson.com, Jari Arkko , David Ward , Mark Townsley , betts01@nortel.com, stbryant@cisco.com, tsbsg13@itu.int Subject: [mpls] ITU SG15 Q12 Liaison Progress on G.8110.1 Amendment X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org To ITU SG15 CC ITU SG13 For Action The PWE3 and MPLS WGs have studied ITU SG15 Q12 Liaison Progress on G.8110.1 Amendment https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=312 and have the following comments on the document: Section 3.5 Transport MPLS definition Should be amended to make it clear TMPLS is a true subset of IETF PWE3 over MPLS and that in the case of any differences, the IETF definition is considered the Normative definition. Section 4.7.2 and A.3 The PWE3 WG is concerned that the OAM is not based on VCCV. Any true subset of the IETF PWE3/MPLS design should allow the use of the IETF preferred OAM mechanism. This does not preclude the ITU specifying an additional mechanism as an optional extension to enhance VCCV, although it would be preferable for the ITU to work with the IETF to enhance VCCV to provide the additional OAM mechanisms that are needed. The PWE3 WG is not clear how you determine that the client signal is not present when the client is a packet service. Section 4.10 "– Minimize the rerouting distance (to avoid physical layer impairments on the signals)." We do not understand why in a well engineered network the distance in the virtual layer providing reroute has impact results in physical layer impairments Appendix V The introductory material to Appendix V states that it will be re-written at some time in the future to align with the IETF work on p2mp LSPs. We would therefore request that you liaise the final text to us when it is completed. As it stands the text of Appendix V looks correct, however we do have two proposals that we would ask you consider 1. We recommend that Upstream Assigned Labels be used over P2MP connections, or at least that you note in the text that generally administration of labels is simplified by using upstream assignment in this scenario. 2. That you include a reference to RFC 4875 (RSVP-P2MP) as this discusses many issues pertaining to P2MP MPLS connections. The PWE3 and MPLS WGs will meet at IETF69 on 22 July 2007, and we would request a response in time for us to consider at the meeting. Regards Stewart Bryant on behalf of IETF PWE3 and MPLS Co-chairs _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu May 24 17:36:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrKyO-0000WW-6j; Thu, 24 May 2007 17:35:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrIfx-0000cR-Ng for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:08:41 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrIfw-00030W-5N for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:08:41 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 May 2007 15:08:39 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,575,1170651600"; d="doc'32?scan'32,32,208"; a="61123244:sNHT451554552" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4OJ8dT1006493; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:08:39 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l4OJ8XBe019188; Thu, 24 May 2007 19:08:34 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 May 2007 15:08:30 -0400 Received: from swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com ([10.86.116.2]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 May 2007 15:08:28 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D05D423FB7; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:08:27 -0400 (EDT) To: Greg Jones From: George Swallow X-Mailer: MH-E 7.4.3; nmh 1.2; GNU Emacs 21.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa0" Content-ID: <22144.1180033707.0@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:08:27 -0400 Message-Id: <20070524190827.8D05D423FB7@swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 19:08:28.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9990250:01C79E36] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=43634; t=1180033719; x=1180897719; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=swallow@cisco.com; z=From:=20George=20Swallow=20 |Subject:=20Liaison=20response=20to=20Consented=20Text=20for=20Y.1720 |Sender:=20 |To:=20Greg=20Jones=20; bh=poiQDWDWXUu4dskaFrHLZJzrFc9ARuXX+3aiksPArYo=; b=Psgaxd8w6LLrEsD7Lxi7juA5fhp/45LwGd/9kvs/wOpqVISL/Wf3fxfEpOaxZs8gO7zLJcnX vGqM1LOhD3PazCC0zB5e6CcMtcrsk7WhIrmX2ahjl2seoh9awU0q+TIh; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=swallow@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2af167865907217f0b49c659e31a77f7 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:35:50 -0400 Cc: MPLS mailing list , Steve Trowbridge , IAB , Yoichi Maeda , Ghani Abbas , PWE3 mailing list , IESG , Statements@ietf.org, Houlin Zhao , Malcolm Betts Subject: [mpls] Liaison response to Consented Text for Y.1720 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <22144.1180033707.1@cisco.com> Gentlemen, Please find attached our response to your liaison on "Consented text for revision of Y.1720". 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Message-Id: <200705250207.l4P27wJ92036@merlot.juniper.net> To: Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wg document In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 22 May 2007 19:10:08 +0200." <465323F0.30305@pi.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <23574.1180058878.1@juniper.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:07:58 -0700 From: Yakov Rekhter X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: Ross Callon , mpls@ietf.org, David Ward X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Loa, > Working Group, > > the authors of draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt has > requested that the draft is made a working group document. > > Send your comments (pros or cons) to the working group > mailing list, or directly to 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Fri, 25 May 2007 11:50:45 -0400 To: Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wg document In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 22 May 2007 19:10:08 +0200. <465323F0.30305@pi.se> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:50:45 -0400 Message-ID: <10750.1180108245@erosen-linux> From: Eric Rosen DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=236; t=1180108246; x=1180972246; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=erosen@cisco.com; z=From:=20Eric=20Rosen=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[mpls]=20poll=20on=20draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interare a-04.txt=20as=20wg=20document=20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20Loa=20Andersson=20; bh=Ojj83vxZSd4NGTNWWkSCnD1PBDLRKRaoJltB7TK9LFc=; b=pZMfYwTdRVzr5ObF5N3mAse2wmvuLwJ/kSmp93YFcvFWNHPFYpS5y/1sYppycx7jynRR8xxb /FH98xFis33wY4pMlEOCw2h+eDZ3pNLJe8zJyWYCXhRlJPrhzODcjjpX; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=erosen@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Cc: Ross Callon , mpls@ietf.org, David Ward X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erosen@cisco.com List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org I am against the WG adopting this draft, for reasons which I detailed in my message of 12/14/06 to this list. The part of the problem that is actually real can be solved more simply with techniques that are already deployed. _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Fri May 25 11:53:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hrc6g-0005km-Ud; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:53:34 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hrc6f-0005kg-FZ for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:53:33 -0400 Received: from black.monoski.com ([63.227.123.238] helo=napoleon.monoski.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hrc6b-0002jm-QK for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:53:33 -0400 Received: from [209.245.27.1] (napoleon.monoski.com [209.245.27.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by napoleon.monoski.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l4PFqg5Z019823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 25 May 2007 09:53:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4657064A.2010204@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:52:42 -0600 From: Luca Martini User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wg document References: <465323F0.30305@pi.se> In-Reply-To: <465323F0.30305@pi.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0a1 (napoleon.monoski.com [209.245.27.1]); Fri, 25 May 2007 09:53:21 -0600 (MDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.245.27.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: Ross Callon , mpls@ietf.org, David Ward X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Loa, I am in favor of this draft becoming a wg document. Here are some editorial comments that should probably be fixed in the next revision: - Add an index. - In the convergence discussion section it might be simple to also say that this will converge with the same characteristics as LDP ordered mode. - It might be nice to explain the impact of a non compliant LSR as a P node in the middle of an MPLS network. The result is simply that the end to end LSP will not be established with no further adverse effect. Thanks. Luca Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > the authors of draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt has > requested that the draft is made a working group document. > > Send your comments (pros or cons) to the working group > mailing list, or directly to the working group co-chairs. > > Loa and George > > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Fri May 25 13:31:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hrdcs-0001TI-FU; Fri, 25 May 2007 13:30:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hrdcr-0001TD-6W for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 13:30:53 -0400 Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hrdcp-0003r9-Qe for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 13:30:53 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel3.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.155]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 25 May 2007 19:30:34 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 19:30:43 +0200 Message-ID: <5A0FF108221C7C4E85738678804B567C04BD7EAE@ftrdmel3.rd.francetelecom.fr> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument Thread-Index: Acee5ITngyuHLFNaTcixDGnJBrLnbwACAiLw References: <10750.1180108245@erosen-linux> From: "DECRAENE Bruno RD-CORE-ISS" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2007 17:30:34.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[668B7C00:01C79EF2] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Cc: Ross Callon , mpls@ietf.org, David Ward X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Eric, > I am against the WG adopting this draft, for reasons which I detailed in my > message of 12/14/06 to this list. I answered your comments in my message of 01/04/07 to this list. As you didn't send additional comments since then, we updated the draft to detail the interactions between LDP and the IGP as you requested. Then we presented these updates in Prague.=20 =20 > The part of the problem that is actually real can be solved more simply with > techniques that are already deployed. Thanks on agreeing on the problem. Regarding the best solution, what is called simple or not is really a matter of opinion and point of view. >From a service provider perspective, using MPLS hierarchy with BGP labelled addresses -as described in RFC 3107- introduce significant constraints on the BGP engineering. It also requires BGP on all PEs and ABRs which may not be possible or desirable (eg for L2 VPN PEs). In all cases, it requires adding new MP-iBGP sessions on all deployed PE of the AS. Not that simple in my opinion. Regards, Bruno _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Fri May 25 15:51:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hrfne-0002rw-WA; Fri, 25 May 2007 15:50:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrfnX-0002qK-MT for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 15:50:03 -0400 Received: from ns1.neustar.com ([2001:503:c779:1a::9c9a:108a]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrfnW-0001hE-Bl for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 15:50:03 -0400 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns1.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C2D26ECC; Fri, 25 May 2007 19:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HrfnW-0007y3-3v; Fri, 25 May 2007 15:50:02 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:50:02 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mpls-lsr-self-test-07.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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