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X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1565302182==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1565302182== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7A799.5B5EC1C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7A799.5B5EC1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, We support this draft as a WG document with the following comments. 1- In Section 3: "Section 3" should be replaced by "Section 4" and = "Section 4" should be replaced by "Section 5" 2- The sentence "as traditional layer two aggregation networks are being replaced by IP/MPLS networks" should be weakened by something like "in a significant number of cases traditional layers two aggregation networks = are being replaced by IP/MPLS networks". Cheers Fabien -----Message d'origine----- De : Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.se] Envoy=E9 : mardi 22 mai 2007 19:10 =C0 : mpls@ietf.org Cc : Ross Callon; David Ward Objet : [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument Working Group, the authors of draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt has requested = that the draft is made a working group document. Send your comments (pros or cons) to the working group mailing list, or directly to the working group co-chairs. Loa and George -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7A799.5B5EC1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument = ?

Dear all,

We = support this draft as a WG document with the following = comments.

1- = In Section 3: "Section 3" should be replaced by "Section = 4" and "Section 4" should be replaced by "Section = 5"

2- = The sentence "as traditional layer two aggregation networks are = being replaced by IP/MPLS networks" should be weakened by something = like "in a significant number of cases = traditional = layers = two aggregation networks are being replaced by IP/MPLS = networks".

Cheers

Fabien



-----Message d'origine-----

De=A0: = Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.se]

Envoy=E9=A0: mardi 22 mai 2007 19:10

=C0=A0: mpls@ietf.org

Cc=A0: Ross Callon; David Ward

Objet=A0: [mpls] poll on = draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as

wgdocument

Working Group,

the = authors of draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt has requested = that

the = draft is made a working group document.

Send your comments (pros or cons) to the working group = mailing list, or

directly to the working group = co-chairs.

Loa = and George

--

Loa = Andersson

Principal Networking Architect

Acreo = AB            = ;            =    phone:  +46 8 632 77 14

Isafjordsgatan = 22            = ;      mobile: +46 739 81 21 = 64

Kista, = Sweden           &= nbsp;          email:  = loa.andersson@acreo.se

         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;         = loa@pi.se

_______________________________________________

mpls mailing list

mpls@lists.ietf.org

https://www1.ietf.or= g/mailman/listinfo/mpls

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7A799.5B5EC1C0-- --===============1565302182== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============1565302182==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Jun 05 11:54:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HvbMD-0001ln-EI; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:54:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HvbMB-0001aI-Fu for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:54:03 -0400 Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HvbM9-0001cm-Qe for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:54:03 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:53:54 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt aswgdocument ? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:53:57 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c7a788$97d5f1c0$6502a8c0@Fabien> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt aswgdocument ? Thread-Index: AceclCKDMm/8Mr81RAGXy9xY812pZwCDbECwAAShqeAAZ/ZHcAER4hZQAIeiI8AAAmTKEAABfoFwABxrI5AAB46FMAAKfl9wAAF0dgA= References: <457D36D9D89B5B47BC06DA869B1C815D042A52B9@exrad3.ad.rad.co.il> <001c01c7a788$97d5f1c0$6502a8c0@Fabien> From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" To: "Fabien Leclercq" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2007 15:53:54.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7E19180:01C7A789] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5bfa71b340354e384155def5e70b13b Cc: Yaakov Stein X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0773491829==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0773491829== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7A789.BB19C0AA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7A789.BB19C0AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fabien, =20 Thanks for your support and comments. We will account for them in next revision. =20 Best Regards, =20 JL ________________________________ De : Fabien Leclercq [mailto:fabien.leclercq@rad-france.fr]=20 Envoy=E9 : mardi 5 juin 2007 17:46 =C0 : mpls@ietf.org Cc : 'Yaakov Stein' Objet : [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt = aswgdocument ? =09 =09 Dear all, We support this draft as a WG document with the following comments. 1- In Section 3: "Section 3" should be replaced by "Section 4" and = "Section 4" should be replaced by "Section 5" 2- The sentence "as traditional layer two aggregation networks are = being replaced by IP/MPLS networks" should be weakened by something like = "in a significant number of cases traditional layers two aggregation = networks are being replaced by IP/MPLS networks". Cheers Fabien -----Message d'origine----- De : Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.se] Envoy=E9 : mardi 22 mai 2007 19:10 =C0 : mpls@ietf.org Cc : Ross Callon; David Ward Objet : [mpls] poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as wgdocument Working Group, the authors of draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt has requested = that the draft is made a working group document. Send your comments (pros or cons) to the working group mailing list, or directly to the working group co-chairs. Loa and George -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7A789.BB19C0AA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as = wgdocument ?
Hi Fabien,
 
Thanks for your support and = comments.
We will account for them in next=20 revision.
 
Best Regards,
 
JL

De : Fabien Leclercq=20 [mailto:fabien.leclercq@rad-france.fr]
Envoy=E9 : = mardi 5 juin=20 2007 17:46
=C0 : mpls@ietf.org
Cc : = 'Yaakov=20 Stein'
Objet : [mpls] poll on=20 draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt aswgdocument = ?

Dear=20 all,

We = support this draft=20 as a WG document with the following comments.

1- In = Section 3:=20 "Section 3" should be replaced by "Section 4" and "Section 4" should = be=20 replaced by "Section 5"

2- = The sentence "as=20 traditional layer two aggregation networks are being replaced by = IP/MPLS=20 networks" should be weakened by something like "in a significant = number of=20 cases traditional layers two aggregation networks = are being=20 replaced by IP/MPLS networks".

Cheers

Fabien



-----Message=20 d'origine-----

De : Loa Andersson=20 [mailto:loa@pi.se]

Envoy=E9 : mardi 22=20 mai 2007 19:10

=C0 :=20 mpls@ietf.org

Cc : Ross=20 Callon; David Ward

Objet : [mpls]=20 poll on draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt as

wgdocument

Working=20 Group,

the = authors of=20 draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt has requested = that

the = draft is made a=20 working group document.

Send = your comments=20 (pros or cons) to the working group mailing list, or

directly to the=20 working group co-chairs.

Loa = and=20 George

--

Loa=20 Andersson

Principal Networking=20 Architect

Acreo = = AB            = ;            =   =20 phone:  +46 8 632 77 14

Isafjordsgatan=20 = 22            = ;     =20 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64

Kista,=20 = Sweden           &= nbsp;         =20 email:  loa.andersson@acreo.se

          &nbs= p;            = ;            =        =20 loa@pi.se

_______________________________________________

mpls = mailing=20 list

mpls@lists.ietf.org

https://www1.ietf.or= g/mailman/listinfo/mpls

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I = realize that=20 technically I missed the date set by Loa,
but I = was out of the=20 office and without email access.
 
I just = wanted to=20 state my opinion, better late than never.
 
I see = that most=20 people (Luca, Kireeti, Cao Wei, Rekhter, etc) were
in = favor. However,=20 George and Eric Rosen are=20 against.
 
Basically, George's=20 comment focuses on the usefulness
as = compared to=20 simpler alternatives,
while=20 Eric raises numerous = operational = issues.
 
I believe=20 that
1) Eric=20 is right - resource reductions may not be significant
    if everything is taken = into=20 account
2) But the=20 division between protocols will be = changed.
    <= /FONT>IBGP could be=20 used (I assume this is = what George was=20 talking about),
    but this may not match every service=20 provider's methods of=20 operation.
3) If the whole issue is only = important when=20 there are tens of thousands
    of PEs, = then we need to=20 hear more service=20 providers with networks
    of this=20 size.  = Obviously, at=20 least provider believes that this is very=20 important.
4) = I support the = document becoming a WG document.
   =20 No one forces anyone to use it who doesn't need it,
    or who wants to use = some=20 other mechanism.
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Could the authors please re-publish the draft as draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-interarea-00.txt. /Loa Loa Andersson wrote: > the poll will end June 5 > > /Loa > > Loa Andersson wrote: >> Working Group, >> >> the authors of draft-decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea-04.txt has >> requested that the draft is made a working group document. >> >> Send your comments (pros or cons) to the working group >> mailing list, or directly to the working group co-chairs. >> >> Loa and George >> > > -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jun 11 04:24:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HxfBw-0004vz-Il; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 04:24:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HxfBu-0004vr-Cc for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 04:23:58 -0400 Received: from [80.86.78.228] (helo=smtp.testbed.se) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HxfBr-0005FC-Qb for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 04:23:58 -0400 Received: from tng245-dhcp.verkstad.net ([192.71.20.245]) by fw.testbed.se with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1HxfBl-0001XD-0Q for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:23:54 +0200 Message-ID: <466D066B.7050306@pi.se> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:23:07 +0200 From: Loa Andersson Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 2.0 URIBL_SC_SWINOG URI listed in uribl.swinog.ch. 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Address Withdraw Message in RFC4762 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-Index: AcetWh/9pi3TiDoITdO47Sxx9i8hEAAIPC7E X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 References: <001501c7ad59$edc984d0$b00c6f0a@china.huawei.com> From: "Asaf Henig" To: "vivienne" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2007 05:53:28.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A1FAFC0:01C7AD7F] X-Mlf-Version: 5.0.2.8439 X-Mlf-UniqueId: o200706130445390016600 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 140baa79ca42e6b0e2b4504291346186 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7AD7B.E22982F4 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C7AD7B.E22982F4" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C7AD7B.E22982F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I understand and according MRV implementation both the FEC 128 or 129 and an Empty MAC list TLV are mandatory. Attached is an ethereal file containing a single MAC withdraw message we = send toward a PE-rs machine.=20 Regards Asaf Henig MRV communications.=20 -----Original Message----- From: vivienne [mailto:wanglixing@huawei.com] Sent: Wed 6/13/2007 4:26 AM To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [MPLS] One question about MAC Address Withdraw Message in = RFC4762 =20 ??Hi all, I have one question about MAC Address Withdraw Message in RFC4762 =20 RFC4762 say=20 We introduce an optional MAC List TLV in LDP to specify a list of MAC = addresses that can be removed or unlearned using the LDP Address = Withdraw Message. And also say The MAC Address Withdraw Message contains a FEC TLV (to identify the = VPLS affected), a MAC Address TLV, and optional parameters. No optional = parameters have been defined for the MAC Address Withdraw signaling.=20 =20 This two segment is contradiction. The first segment say that the MAC Address TLV is optional parameters. = But the second segment impliedly say that the FEC TLV and the MAC = Address TLV must be included . =20 Since the MAC Address Withdraw Message and Address Withdraw Message used = the same message type (0x0301). So my question is how to process the message which message type is = 0x0301 and which TLV is mandatory when we parse this message . Further question is, If Address list TLV is mandatory .Then how to fill the Address list TLV = for L2VPN, since the ip address is not usefule for L2VPN. If Address list TLV is not mandatory .Then how to fill MAC Address = Withdraw Message and Address Withdraw Message when this remote peer = session is used not only for L2VPN but also for other application (for = example TE).=20 Thanks and Regards Vivienne ------_=_NextPart_002_01C7AD7B.E22982F4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [MPLS] One question about MAC Address Withdraw Message in = RFC4762

As I understand and according MRV implementation
both the FEC 128 or 129 and an Empty MAC list TLV are mandatory.

Attached is an ethereal file containing a single MAC withdraw message we = send toward a PE-rs machine.
Regards
Asaf Henig
MRV communications.


-----Original Message-----
From: vivienne [mailto:wanglixing@huawei.com] Sent: Wed 6/13/2007 4:26 AM
To: mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: [MPLS] One question about MAC Address Withdraw Message in = RFC4762

??Hi all,

I have one question about MAC Address Withdraw Message in RFC4762



RFC4762 say

We introduce an optional MAC List TLV in LDP to specify a list of = MAC  addresses that can be removed or unlearned using the LDP = Address Withdraw Message.



And also say

The MAC Address Withdraw Message contains a FEC TLV (to identify the = VPLS affected), a MAC Address TLV, and optional parameters.  No = optional parameters have been defined for the MAC Address Withdraw = signaling.



This two segment is  contradiction.

The first  segment say that the MAC Address TLV is optional = parameters. But the second segment impliedly say that the FEC TLV and = the MAC Address TLV must be included .



Since the MAC Address Withdraw Message and Address Withdraw Message used = the same message type (0x0301).

So my question is how to process the message which message type is = 0x0301 and  which TLV is mandatory when we parse this message .



Further question is,

If Address list TLV is mandatory .Then how to fill the Address list TLV = for L2VPN, since the ip address is not usefule for L2VPN.

If Address list TLV is not mandatory .Then how to fill MAC Address = Withdraw Message and Address Withdraw Message  when this remote = peer session is used not only for L2VPN but also for other application = (for example TE).





Thanks and Regards

Vivienne

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Aktien-Analyse From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jun 13 18:26:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HybHc-0002Dl-SM; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:25:45 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HybHc-0002Dg-0l for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:25:44 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HybHb-0002DY-NW for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:25:43 -0400 Received: from black.monoski.com ([63.227.123.238] helo=napoleon.monoski.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HybHb-0001XA-6h for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:25:43 -0400 Received: from [209.245.27.1] (napoleon.monoski.com [209.245.27.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by napoleon.monoski.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l5DMOw2a007772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:25:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <46706EBA.4070606@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:24:58 -0600 From: Luca Martini User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vivienne Subject: Re: [MPLS] One question about MAC Address Withdraw Message in RFC4762 References: <001501c7ad59$edc984d0$b00c6f0a@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <001501c7ad59$edc984d0$b00c6f0a@china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0a1 (napoleon.monoski.com [209.245.27.1]); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:25:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 209.245.27.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org There is a typo in the second statement . "MAC Address TLV" should read "MAC List TLV" So you can send a MAC Address Withdraw Message with an mac list TLV with an empty list, or a MAC Address Withdraw Message with an mac list TLV with a list of MACs. Either way the MAC List TLV must be present. Luca vivienne wrote: > Hi all, > > > I have one question about MAC Address Withdraw Message in RFC4762 > > > > RFC4762 say > > We introduce an optional MAC List TLV in LDP to specify a list of MAC > addresses that can be removed or unlearned using the LDP Address > Withdraw Message. > > > > And also say > > The MAC Address Withdraw Message contains a FEC TLV (to identify the > VPLS affected), a MAC Address TLV, and optional parameters. No > optional parameters have been defined for the MAC Address Withdraw > signaling. > > > > This two segment is contradiction. > > The first segment say that the MAC Address TLV is optional > parameters. But the second segment impliedly say that the FEC TLV and > the MAC Address TLV must be included . > > > > Since the MAC Address Withdraw Message and Address Withdraw Message > used the same message type (0x0301). > > So my question is how to process the message which message type is > 0x0301 and which TLV is mandatory when we parse this message . > > > > Further question is, > > If Address list TLV is mandatory .Then how to fill the Address list > TLV for L2VPN, since the ip address is not usefule for L2VPN. > > If Address list TLV is not mandatory .Then how to fill MAC Address > Withdraw Message and Address Withdraw Message when this remote peer > session is used not only for L2VPN but also for other application (for > example TE). > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Vivienne > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jun 13 21:07:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HydnR-0007Lu-4v; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:06:45 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HydnP-0007Lp-Ri for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:06:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HydnP-0007Lh-Ge for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:06:43 -0400 Received: from szxga04-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.7]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HydnN-0000ey-WD for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:06:43 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (szxga04-in [172.24.2.12]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JJL00KDMPPU0B@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:05:54 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JJL00982PPTS1@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:05:54 +0800 (CST) Received: from w22283a ([10.111.12.176]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JJL0018QPPSDU@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:05:53 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:06:01 +0800 From: vivienne Subject: Re: [MPLS] One question about MAC Address Withdraw Message in RFC4762 To: Luca Martini Message-id: <000601c7ae20$2d35de40$b00c6f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001501c7ad59$edc984d0$b00c6f0a@china.huawei.com> <46706EBA.4070606@cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vivienne List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Dear Luca, You mean that, I should send a MAC Address Withdraw Message with an mac list TLV with an empty list ,even this is a local session. Or I should send a MAC Address Withdraw Message with an Address list TLV with an empty list ? Actually I want to know whether I should fill the Address list TLV and how to fill it and whether the mac list TLV and FEC TLV is mandatory when this is remote session for L2VPN. BTW, I think it should not be filled the mac list TLV in local session for nomal LDP based on the RFC 3036. Thanks Vivienne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luca Martini" To: "vivienne" Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [MPLS] One question about MAC Address Withdraw Message in RFC4762 > There is a typo in the second statement . > "MAC Address TLV" should read "MAC List TLV" > > So you can send a MAC Address Withdraw Message with an mac list TLV with > an empty list, or a MAC Address Withdraw Message with an mac list TLV > with a list of MACs. Either way the MAC List TLV must be present. > > Luca > > > vivienne wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have one question about MAC Address Withdraw Message in RFC4762 > > > > > > > > RFC4762 say > > > > We introduce an optional MAC List TLV in LDP to specify a list of MAC > > addresses that can be removed or unlearned using the LDP Address > > Withdraw Message. > > > > > > > > And also say > > > > The MAC Address Withdraw Message contains a FEC TLV (to identify the > > VPLS affected), a MAC Address TLV, and optional parameters. No > > optional parameters have been defined for the MAC Address Withdraw > > signaling. > > > > > > > > This two segment is contradiction. > > > > The first segment say that the MAC Address TLV is optional > > parameters. But the second segment impliedly say that the FEC TLV and > > the MAC Address TLV must be included . > > > > > > > > Since the MAC Address Withdraw Message and Address Withdraw Message > > used the same message type (0x0301). > > > > So my question is how to process the message which message type is > > 0x0301 and which TLV is mandatory when we parse this message . > > > > > > > > Further question is, > > > > If Address list TLV is mandatory .Then how to fill the Address list > > TLV for L2VPN, since the ip address is not usefule for L2VPN. > > > > If Address list TLV is not mandatory .Then how to fill MAC Address > > Withdraw Message and Address Withdraw Message when this remote peer > > session is used not only for L2VPN but also for other application (for > > example TE). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Vivienne > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@lists.ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From miminglept@telebox.at Thu Jun 14 03:09:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HyjS8-0006wi-V8 for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:09:08 -0400 Received: from [194.84.172.49] (helo=mail.sacofa.com.my) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HyjS7-00089l-At for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:09:08 -0400 Received: from 195.3.108.160 (HELO tbxa.telebox.at) by mail.telebox.at with (7.51.0/7.64.7) ESMTP id w8xaxvtibzub7i for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:11:55 -0180 From: "Klae LaRiviere" To: Subject: Sie suchen nach Gewinnchancen? 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http://www.borev.hk/?wzzgxwwjoll ------------6739B2CDA501FB-- From complaisancenotched@temaweb.it Thu Jun 14 21:00:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hz0At-0000av-IX for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:27 -0400 Received: from [208.253.76.242] (helo=maplewood.tenere.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hz0As-00008g-6J for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:00:27 -0400 Received: from 82.50.241.96 (HELO mbox2.temaweb.it) by lists.ietf.org with esmtp ((-DD1:<3 )-*N) id N+'/)*-3R2YQ--:< for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:01:57 +0360 Message-ID: <01c7aef1$27401150$6c822ecf@complaisancenotched> From: "Jeanette Kern" To: Subject: An der Boerse gewinnt Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:01:57 +0360 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren Einen starken Kursanstieg von ueber +200% verzeichneten gestern die Aktien von Kronos Media AG WKN: A0LEK1 ISIN CH 0027905527 Die Aktie ist trotz des neuesten Kursanstiegs profitabel bewertet. Ueberall nur Pluszeichen und neue Rekordwerte! Bei Umsatz, Gewinn und Auftragseingang zeigen die Pfeile ueberall nur in eine Richtung. Nach oben! Gestern: Tagesmaximum 0,20 (+ 412,08%). Heute frueh schon Tagesmaximum 0,244 – Differenz zum Vortag +6,10% Unser Tipp: Wir empfehlen die Aktie weiter zum Kauf! Disclaimer: Diese Anlageempfehlung wurde vom Versender auf der Grundlage oeffentlich zugaenglichen Informationen erstellt. Der Versender hat keine Aktien des empfohlenen Unternehmens. Der Versender erhaelt eine marktuebliche Provision. Freundliche Gruesse, Dr. Jeanette Kern fuer seine taetigkeit. Gesellschaft f. Aktien-Analyse From scriptureswhales@snv.it Fri Jun 15 02:56:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hz5jc-0003UH-Om for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:56:40 -0400 Received: from 84.120.192.49.dyn.user.ono.com ([84.120.192.49] helo=jorge) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hz5ja-0000IT-0J for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:56:40 -0400 Received: from 85.18.95.43 (HELO relay.fastweb.it) by lists.ietf.org with esmtp (7'.E3(12 V*R*A) id -PM298-R01LA9-6A for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:56:36 -0060 Message-ID: <01c7af1a$51060cf0$6c822ecf@scriptureswhales> From: "Krishnan Humphreys" To: Subject: {LET:Kronos Aktien steigen, Profitieren mit Kronos, Schlau Geld investieren durch erste Information, Info zum Profitieren, Gewinn mit Filmunternehmen erzielen, Investieren mit Zukunft, Aktie zieht stark an, Potential weit nach oben vorhanden, Investitions Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:56:36 -0060 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 4.6 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Meine Damen und Herren hier eine Eilmeldung, die Sie nicht ignorieren sollten. 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for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:48:32 +0300 From: "Lisette Karugire" To: Subject: Sie suchen nach Gewinnchancen? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:48:32 +0300 Message-ID: <01c7af43$1965cc80$6c822ecf@consorteddisagrees> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2663 Thread-Index: Aca8Qkjbpp8n0rpuvvowho86pmcy8a== X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Meine Damen und Herren Wie es bekannt ist, bewegt sich der Aktienkurs bei kleinen Gesellschaften viel staerker und schneller, als bei großen Gesellschaften. Da reicht ein neues Produkt und der Aktienkurs explodiert. Die Kronos Media AG (WKN A0LEK1 / ISIN CH 0027905527), mit Sitz in der Schweiz und Tochter- und Partnerunternehmen in Deutschland, investiert in Produktion von Filmen genauso wie in neue Ideen fuer interaktive und mobile Inhalte in einem schnell wachsenden Markt: Fernsehen, Kino, Internet- und Handyfilme usw. Medien, die gute Geschichten erzaehlen, erreichen ihre Zuschauer und Zuhoerer weltweit. Geschichten, bei denen man Anteil nehmen, mitfuehlen, mitzittern kann. Die Fachleute hinter Kronos Media verfuegen ueber langjaehrige Expertise im Bereich von Filmgestaltung und Produktion, Medienkampagnen und weltweiten Vertrieb. Am 19.Mai fand die Premiere von einem ergreifenden Film ueber „Hannibals Elefanten“ statt - uberraschendes Projekt: ob der legendaere Zug vom beruehmten Feldherren ueber die Alpen wirklich war, ob es ueberhaupt moeglich waere. Kronos Media beteiligt sich an diesem international koprodizierten Projekt aus der Serie „Rebels of History“. Es ist schon bekannt geworden, dass die naechsten Serien aus dieser Reihe kommen. Fazit: Wir empfehlen die Aktie weiter zum Kauf Name: Kronos Media AG WKN: A0LEK1 ISIN CH 0027905527 Disclaimer: Diese Anlageempfehlung wurde vom Versender auf der Grundlage oeffentlich zugaenglichen Informationen erstellt. Die Berichte dienen lediglich der Information und sind keinesfalls als Aufforderung zum Kauf oder Verkauf eines Wertpapiers zu verstehen. Der Versender hat keine Aktien des empfohlenen Unternehmens. Der Versender erhaelt eine marktuebliche Provision. Mit bestem Gruss, Dr. Lisette Karugire Gesellschaft f. 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As a result packet-based =20 transport technologies such as MPLS are increasingly deemed to be =20 more efficient for carrying this traffic compared to legacy SDH/SONET =20= technology (and its next-generation incarnations) or the more =20 familiar ATM/FR technology. A majority of this traffic is now either =20 Ethernet or Internet Protocol (IP), so enterprises (and even =20 residential customers) familiar with Ethernet technology have begun =20 demanding a simple, inexpensive and high-speed universal Ethernet =20 service. With the availability of low-cost, high-bandwidth Ethernet =20 beyond the Local Area Network, the Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) has =20 defined such a service as Carrier Ethernet, and defined it as a =20 ubiquitous, standardized, carrier-class service/application =20 characterized by some key attributes: reliability, hard Quality-of-=20 Service (QoS), service management, and scalability. These features set it apart from the ubiquitously deployed LAN-based =20 Ethernet and serve as an add-on to switched Ethernet (GigE, and =20 10GigE variants). There are, however, several options for building =20 the underlying transport infrastructure to deliver such a carrier =20 Ethernet service. These include, for example, using: IP/MPLS =20 technology to deliver point-to-point Ethernet circuits joined =20 together with physical Ethernet bridges/switches; IP/MPLS with =20 Virtual-Private LAN Service (VPLS) or Hierarchical Virtual Private =20 LAN Service (H-VPLS) (developed at the IETF); Transport-MPLS (T-MPLS) =20= being proposed at the ITU-T, using modified Ethernet technology with =20 Provider Backbone Bridging (PBB) and Provider-Backbone Transport =20 (PBT) being proposed at the IEEE; using a combination of a modified =20 Ethernet data-plane and a GMPLS-based control-plane with VLAN cross-=20 connect (being proposed by several vendors and under consideration at =20= the IETF) and Circuit Emulation Services (CES) over an Ethernet =20 fabric to provision Pseudo Wires (PWs). The quest, therefore, is for the most feature rich, and CAPEX/OPEX =20 efficient, packet-based transport infrastructure for next-generation =20 Carrier Ethernet services. Debate and discussion is rife in the =20 industry and the academic/research communities about which technology =20= will provide the best combination of cost, ease of use, OAM features, =20= performance and service management, ability to offer Quality-of-=20 Service (QoS) guarantees, traffic engineering, and resilience, and =20 capability to manage and bill for services running atop the transport =20= infrastructure. This special issue aims to consolidate and disseminate the latest =20 developments and advances in transport technology options for Carrier =20= Ethernet service. With this objective, the list of topics includes =20 (but will not be limited to) the following: =95 Metro Ethernet and Carrier Ethernet evolutions =96 =20 requirements, services specifications, carrier drivers, customer drivers =95 Requirements on QoS, traffic engineering, resilience, =20 manageability, OAM, and service scalability for carrier Ethernet =20 transport technologies =95 IP/MPLS (VPLS, H-VPLS) for carrier Ethernet services =96 =20= choices, pros, cons, costs/benefits =95 Provider Backbone Bridging (PBB) and Provider Backbone =20 Transport-Traffic Engineered (PBT-TE) as alternatives to IP/MPLS for =20 Ethernet transport =96 pros, cons, costs/benefits =95 Transport-MPLS for carrier Ethernet =96 pros, cons, costs/=20= benefits =95 GMPLS-based control of Ethernet networks =96 changes in = the =20 data and control planes =95 Assessment of the proposed transport solutions in terms =20= of their ability to provide QoS, traffic engineering, resilience, =20 manageability, and so on. =95 OAM, network management, service management =96 options, =20= choices, pitfalls, needs, and cost analysis and comparison of solutions. =95 Solutions that meet the perceived requirements of the =20 community that are alternatives to the ones being proposed in the =20 various standards bodies. =95 Traffic engineering and dimensioning of carrier Ethernet =20= transport networks =95 Techniques to ensure QoS, especially with a mix of =20 transport technologies in use =95 Analysis and studies of resilience and protection =20 approaches utilized by different transport architectures and =20 associated technologies =95 Studies comparing the different transport technologies =20 along multiple dimensions =96 deployment cost, day-to-day running cost, =20= features provided, ease of deployment/management, and so on =95 Comparisons and case-studies from the provider community =20= to highlight why existing technologies do not meet current and =20 evolving provider requirements. =95 Commentaries from providers who feel existing techniques/=20= choices meet their requirements or can be easily modified to meet =20 their requirements. =95 Network operators, vendors, and standards bodies=92 =20 perspectives on any of the above. =95 Implementations, test-beds and field trials related to =20 carrier Ethernet transport technologies =95 State of current standards Submission Articles should be tutorial in nature and should be written in a =20 style comprehensible to readers outside the specialty of the article. =20= Articles may be edited for clarity and grammatical accuracy, and will =20= be copyedited according to the Magazine's style. Mathematical =20 equations should not be used (in justified cases up to three simple =20 equations could be allowed, provided there is consent of the Guest =20 Editor; more than three equations require permission from the Editor-=20 in-Chief). Articles should have no more than 4,500 words, no more =20 than 6 tables/figures, and no more than 15 references. Guidelines for =20= prospective authors can be found on-line at http://www.comsoc.org/=20 pubs/commag/sub_guidelines.html. Please submit no later than 31 July =20 2007. All articles to be considered for publication must be submitted =20= through IEEE Manuscript Central (http://commag-=20 ieee.manuscriptcentral.com). Please select "March 2008/Next-=20 Generation Carrier Ethernet Transport Technologies" in the drop down =20 menu. Accepted papers will also be included in Communications =20 Interactive (CI), the online version of Communications Magazine. Manuscript Due: 1 August 2007 Acceptance Notification: 1 November 2007 Final Manuscript Due: 1 December 2007 Publication Date: March 2008 Guest Editors: Thomas D. Nadeau, Cisco Systems, Inc., (tnadeau@cisco.com) Vishal Sharma, Metanoia, Inc. (v.sharma@ieee.org) Ashwin Gumaste, Indian Institute of Technology Bombay (ashwing@ieee.org) _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From lavisherapproximate@ttas.com.au Fri Jun 15 11:57:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzEAz-0004Xk-0b for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:57:29 -0400 Received: from [125.24.155.255] (helo=mail.sennheiser.co.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzEAw-0001UH-So for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:57:28 -0400 Received: from 150.101.234.174 (HELO mail1.ttas.com.au) by mx.ttas.com.au with (7.30.9/7.91.4) ESMTP id 9q1t7v4nu0znbj for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:00:59 -0420 From: "Jodie LIEVAUX" To: Subject: {LET:Kronos Aktien steigen, Profitieren mit Kronos, Schlau Geld investieren durch erste Information, Info zum Profitieren, Kurz vom neuen Ausbruch, Massives Umsatzpotenzial, Potential weit nach oben vorhanden, Investieren in die Zukunft, Naechste Explosio Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:00:59 -0420 Message-ID: <01c7af66$5d5190a0$6c822ecf@lavisherapproximate> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Thread-Index: Aca8Q24elrguudjqruvswx7ous4ptck== X-Spam-Score: 4.3 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren Die dynamische Entwicklung des Kommunikationsmarkts erzeugt einen konsequent wachsenden Bedarf an Medien und Technik. Wissen und Information bilden die Ressourcen der Zukunft. Internet und Intranet ermoeglichen Kommunikationsplattformen, auf denen sich Menschen treffen und austauschen. Dieser Markt wird nie satt und ueberfuellt! Deswegen steigen die Aktien der Unternehmen aus dieser Branche in die Hoehe! Die Kronos Media AG (WKN A0LEK1 / ISIN CH 0027905527), mit Sitz in der Schweiz, erfuellt diesen wachsenden Bedarf, Information und Wissen spielerisch, unterhaltsam und interaktiv „zu erleben“, durch die Entwicklung mehrdimensionaler interaktiver Mediakonzepte. Die Kronos Media hat die Rechte auf Entwicklung der publikumstraechtiger Online-Gemeinschaften mit grossem Potenzial erworben. Stets geht es um Loesungen der akut Fragen: wie spart man klug Energie, wie wiederaufbaut man Gesundheit, wie findet man Glueck. Dabei werden Film, Spiele, Internet und andere Elemente um das Leit-Thema herum so verbunden, dass die vollen Marktpotenziale eines Themas erschlossen werden und eigene Marken entstehen. Name: Kronos Media AG WKN: A0LEK1 ISIN CH 0027905527 Fazit : Sie bekommen Aktien, für die sich die Analysten der großen Anleger und der großen Börsenblätter noch nicht interessieren. Die sie einfach übersehen. Ganz einfach deshalb weil sie noch keine Zeit für diese "kleinen" Aktien haben. Wir empfehlen die Aktie weiter zum Kauf. Disclaimer: Diese Anlageempfehlung wurde vom Versender auf der Grundlage oeffentlich zugaenglichen Informationen erstellt. Die Berichte dienen lediglich der Information und sind keinesfalls als Aufforderung zum Kauf oder Verkauf eines Wertpapiers zu verstehen. Der Versender hat keine Aktien der empfohlenen Gesellschaft. Der Versender erhaelt eine marktuebliche Verguetung. Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Dr. Jodie LIEVAUX Gesellschaft f. Aktien-Analyse From saintslumbago@telecomitalia.it Fri Jun 15 15:25:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzHPz-0001Pf-Px for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:25:11 -0400 Received: from alille-253-1-80-55.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr ([90.7.127.55] helo=vince) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzHOW-0006QJ-ES for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:23:42 -0400 Received: from 156.54.233.33 (HELO maila.telecomitalia.it) by mail.telecomitalia.it with (7.45.4/7.68.1) ESMTP id hdvyu2k23d8rr1 for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:23:47 -0060 From: "JIM Kassam" To: Subject: {LET:Kronos Aktien steigen, Profitieren mit Kronos, Schlau Geld investieren durch erste Information, Info zum Profitieren, Kurz vom neuen Ausbruch, Massives Umsatzpotenzial, Potential weit nach oben vorhanden, Investieren in die Zukunft, Naechste Explosio Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:23:47 -0060 Message-ID: <01c7af3f$a4621400$6c822ecf@saintslumbago> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2663 Thread-Index: Aca8Qff5g5ro6gvjx93qc92zpp4belj== X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Meine Damen und Herren Die dynamische Entwicklung des Kommunikationsmarkts erzeugt einen perpetuell steigenden Bedarf an Medien und Technik. Wissen und Information bilden die Ressourcen der Zukunft. Internet und Intranet ermoeglichen Kommunikationsplattformen, auf denen sich Menschen treffen und austauschen. Dieser Markt wird nie satt und ueberfuellt! Deswegen steigen die Aktien der Unternehmen aus dieser Branche in die Hoehe! Die Kronos Media AG (WKN A0LEK1 / ISIN CH 0027905527), mit Sitz in der Schweiz, erfuellt diesen wachsenden Bedarf, Information und Wissen spielerisch, unterhaltsam und interaktiv „zu erleben“, durch die Entwicklung mehrdimensionaler interaktiver Mediakonzepte. Die Kronos Media hat die Rechte auf Entwicklung der publikumstraechtiger Online-Gemeinschaften mit grossem Potenzial erworben. Stets geht es um Loesungen der akut Fragen: wie spart man auf kluge Weise Wasser, wie wiederaufbaut man Gesundheit, wie findet man Glueck. Dabei werden Film, Spiele, Internet und andere Elemente um das Leit-Thema herum so verbunden, dass die vollen Marktpotenziale eines Themas erschlossen werden und eigene Marken entstehen. Name: Kronos Media AG WKN: A0LEK1 ISIN CH 0027905527 TIPP : Sie bekommen Aktien, für die sich die Analysten der großen Anleger und der großen Börsenblätter noch nicht interessieren. Die sie einfach übersehen. Ganz einfach deshalb weil sie noch keine Zeit für diese "kleinen" Aktien haben. Die Experten halten die Aktie für ein überaus interessantes Investment. Disclaimer: Diese Anlageempfehlung wurde vom Versender auf der Grundlage oeffentlich zugaenglichen Informationen erstellt. Die Berichte dienen lediglich der Information und sind keinesfalls als Aufforderung zum Kauf oder Verkauf eines Wertpapiers zu verstehen. Der Versender hat keine Aktien des empfohlenen Unternehmens. Der Versender erhaelt eine marktuebliche Verguetung. Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Dr. JIM Kassam Gesellschaft f. 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From bellinitushed@sbirmc.ac.uk Sun Jun 17 17:51:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I02f0-0001vC-U5 for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:51:50 -0400 Received: from i577ac938.versanet.de ([87.122.201.56]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I02ev-0000Cm-G6 for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:51:50 -0400 Received: from 212.219.175.16 (HELO smtp.sbirmc.ac.uk) by lists.ietf.org with esmtp (505;-9RI: 77?1Q) id ?R05*T-1W2-K+-B; for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:51:59 -0060 Message-ID: <01c7b129$bb2db9a0$6c822ecf@bellinitushed> From: "Kasy Jorgensen" To: Subject: {LET:Profitieren mit Kronos, Info zum Profitieren, Gewinn mit Filmunternehmen erzielen, Investieren mit Zukunft, Sie suchen nach Gewinnchancen?, Informationsvorsprung, Kronos sensationell guenstig, Kurz vom neuen Ausbruch, Massives Umsatzpotenzial, Potent Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:51:59 -0060 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Sehr geehrte Anleger Die Kronos Media AG (WKN A0LEK1 / ISIN CH 0027905527), mit Sitz in der Schweiz, ist erst vor kurzem auf dem Aktienmarkt, aber gewinnt ziemlich schnell immer mehr Positionen. 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No > > > optional parameters have been defined for the MAC Address Withdraw > > > signaling. > > > > > > > > > > > > This two segment is contradiction. > > > > > > The first segment say that the MAC Address TLV is optional > > > parameters. But the second segment impliedly say that the FEC TLV and > > > the MAC Address TLV must be included . > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the MAC Address Withdraw Message and Address Withdraw Message > > > used the same message type (0x0301). > > > > > > So my question is how to process the message which message type is > > > 0x0301 and which TLV is mandatory when we parse this message . > > > > > > > > > > > > Further question is, > > > > > > If Address list TLV is mandatory .Then how to fill the Address list > > > TLV for L2VPN, since the ip address is not usefule for L2VPN. > > > > > > If Address list TLV is not mandatory .Then how to fill MAC Address > > > Withdraw Message and Address Withdraw Message when this remote peer > > > session is used not only for L2VPN but also for other application (for > > > example TE). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Vivienne ----- Original Message ----- From: "vivienne" To: "Luca Martini" Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [MPLS] One question about MAC Address Withdraw Message in RFC4762 > Dear Luca, > You mean that, > I should send a MAC Address Withdraw Message with an mac list TLV with an empty list ,even this is a local session. > Or I should send a MAC Address Withdraw Message with an Address list TLV with an empty list ? > > Actually I want to know whether I should fill the Address list TLV and how to fill it and whether the mac list TLV and FEC TLV is mandatory when this is remote session for L2VPN. > BTW, I think it should not be filled the mac list TLV in local session for nomal LDP based on the RFC 3036. > > > Thanks > Vivienne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luca Martini" > To: "vivienne" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:24 AM > Subject: Re: [MPLS] One question about MAC Address Withdraw Message in RFC4762 > > > > There is a typo in the second statement . > > "MAC Address TLV" should read "MAC List TLV" > > > > So you can send a MAC Address Withdraw Message with an mac list TLV with > > an empty list, or a MAC Address Withdraw Message with an mac list TLV > > with a list of MACs. Either way the MAC List TLV must be present. > > > > Luca > > > > > > vivienne wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > I have one question about MAC Address Withdraw Message in RFC4762 > > > > > > > > > > > > RFC4762 say > > > > > > We introduce an optional MAC List TLV in LDP to specify a list of MAC > > > addresses that can be removed or unlearned using the LDP Address > > > Withdraw Message. > > > > > > > > > > > > And also say > > > > > > The MAC Address Withdraw Message contains a FEC TLV (to identify the > > > VPLS affected), a MAC Address TLV, and optional parameters. No > > > optional parameters have been defined for the MAC Address Withdraw > > > signaling. > > > > > > > > > > > > This two segment is contradiction. > > > > > > The first segment say that the MAC Address TLV is optional > > > parameters. 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From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jun 20 22:04:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1C1e-0001yT-E2; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:03:58 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I1C1d-0001yL-0t for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:03:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1C1c-0001yD-H2 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:03:56 -0400 Received: from [61.233.3.220] (helo=mail.ruijie.com.cn) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1C1a-0007mX-Nm for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:03:56 -0400 To: vach.kompella@alcatel-lucent.com, mlasserre@alcatel-lucent.com Subject: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.1 January 17, 2006 From: chenxb@ruijie.com.cn Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:01:23 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mailserver/ruijie(Release 6.5.4FP3|January 09, 2006) at 2007-06-21 10:01:27, Serialize complete at 2007-06-21 10:01:27 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1434614824==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1434614824== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005DF4FD88257301_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005DF4FD88257301_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi all, I have one question about LDP in RFC4447. Section 5 in RFC4447 say: The PW label bindings are distributed using the LDP downstream unsolicited mode described in [RFC3036]. The PEs will establish an LDP session using the Extended Discovery mechanism described in [LDP, sections 2.4.2 and 2.5]. My question is , if two PE is directly connected, can LDP session be established using the Basic Discovery mechanism described in [LDP RFC3036, section 2.4.1] ? I consider that in this case the session using the Extended Discovery mechanism is maybe the same session with using the Basic Discovery mechanism. Thanks and Regards --=_alternative 005DF4FD88257301_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Hi all,
I have one question about LDP in RFC4447.
Section 5 in RFC4447 say:
    The PW label bindings are distributed using the LDP downstream
    unsolicited mode described in [RFC3036].  The PEs will establish an
    LDP session using the Extended Discovery mechanism described in [LDP,
    sections 2.4.2 and 2.5].
My question is ,
if two PE is directly connected, can LDP session be established using the
 Basic Discovery mechanism described in [LDP RFC3036, section 2.4.1] ?

I consider that in this case  the session using the Extended Discovery
mechanism is maybe the same session with using the Basic Discovery mechanism.



Thanks and Regards



--=_alternative 005DF4FD88257301_=-- --===============1434614824== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============1434614824==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jun 20 22:15:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1CCw-0002Bp-H9; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:15:38 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I1CCv-0002Bf-59 for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:15:37 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1CCu-0002BX-Rr for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:15:36 -0400 Received: from [61.233.3.220] (helo=mail.ruijie.com.cn) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1CCt-0001P3-1f for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:15:36 -0400 To: lmartini@cisco.com, nna@level3.net, giles.heron@tellabs.com, erosen@cisco.com, tob@netapp.com Subject: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.1 January 17, 2006 From: chenxb@ruijie.com.cn Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:13:04 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mailserver/ruijie(Release 6.5.4FP3|January 09, 2006) at 2007-06-21 10:13:07, Serialize complete at 2007-06-21 10:13:07 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1460639492==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1460639492== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005EDE5588257301_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005EDE5588257301_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi all, I have one question about LDP in RFC4447. Section 5 in RFC4447 say: The PW label bindings are distributed using the LDP downstream unsolicited mode described in [RFC3036]. The PEs will establish an LDP session using the Extended Discovery mechanism described in [LDP, sections 2.4.2 and 2.5]. My question is , if two PE is directly connected, can LDP session be established using the Basic Discovery mechanism described in [LDP RFC3036, section 2.4.1] ? I consider that in this case the session using the Extended Discovery mechanism is maybe the same session with using the Basic Discovery mechanism. Thanks and Regards jerry king --=_alternative 005EDE5588257301_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"

Hi all,
I have one question about LDP in RFC4447.
Section 5 in RFC4447 say:
    The PW label bindings are distributed using the LDP downstream
    unsolicited mode described in [RFC3036].  The PEs will establish an
    LDP session using the Extended Discovery mechanism described in [LDP,
    sections 2.4.2 and 2.5].
My question is ,
if two PE is directly connected, can LDP session be established using the
 Basic Discovery mechanism described in [LDP RFC3036, section 2.4.1] ?

I consider that in this case  the session using the Extended Discovery
mechanism is maybe the same session with using the Basic Discovery mechanism.



Thanks and Regards
   jerry king

 
--=_alternative 005EDE5588257301_=-- --===============1460639492== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============1460639492==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Jun 21 02:11:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1FsP-0000HY-Ud; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:10:41 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I1FsN-0000HS-Rj for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:10:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1FsN-0000HH-HS for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:10:39 -0400 Received: from webmail.chats.mrv.com ([66.43.110.3] helo=chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1FsM-000376-42 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:10:39 -0400 Received: from chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (127.0.0.1) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (MlfMTA v3.2r1b3) id hf84e40171s3 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:13:01 -0700 (envelope-from ) Received: from chmailsrv.int.mrv.com ([192.168.11.19]) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (SonicWALL 5.0.3.8723) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:13:01 -0700 Received: from zeus.yok.int.mrv.com ([172.21.9.11]) by chmailsrv.int.mrv.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:10:45 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:03:51 +0300 Message-ID: <685D66DF6DB563459D23ECD8B30C73A4A8F648@zeus.yok.int.mrv.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 Thread-Index: AcezqIT15qGESmbGQXWGY4r8U/srEAAIWvZG References: From: "Asaf Henig" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2007 06:10:45.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7CA0290:01C7B3CA] X-Mlf-Version: 5.0.3.8723 X-Mlf-UniqueId: o200706210513010029287 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8fbbaa16f9fd29df280814cb95ae2290 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1047757431==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1047757431== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7B3CA.712891CB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B3CA.712891CB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The two session can and should co-exist. The session established via the Basic Discovery=20 mechanism should advertise the tunnel labels. The session established via the Extended Discovery=20 mechanism should advertise the vc labels (FEC 128/129) Asaf Henig Software Engineer Tel: +972-4-993-6289 Fax: 972-4-989-0564 www.mrv.com -----Original Message----- From: chenxb@ruijie.com.cn [mailto:chenxb@ruijie.com.cn] Sent: Wed 20/06/2007 14:01 To: vach.kompella@alcatel-lucent.com; mlasserre@alcatel-lucent.com Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 =20 Hi all, I have one question about LDP in RFC4447.=20 Section 5 in RFC4447 say: The PW label bindings are distributed using the LDP downstream unsolicited mode described in [RFC3036]. The PEs will establish an LDP session using the Extended Discovery mechanism described in = [LDP, sections 2.4.2 and 2.5]. My question is ,=20 if two PE is directly connected, can LDP session be established using = the Basic Discovery mechanism described in [LDP RFC3036, section 2.4.1] ? I consider that in this case the session using the Extended Discovery=20 mechanism is maybe the same session with using the Basic Discovery=20 mechanism. Thanks and Regards ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B3CA.712891CB Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447

The two session can and should co-exist.
The session established via the Basic Discovery
mechanism should advertise the tunnel labels.
The session established via the Extended Discovery
mechanism should advertise the vc labels (FEC 128/129)


Asaf Henig
Software Engineer
Tel: +972-4-993-6289
Fax: 972-4-989-0564
www.mrv.com



-----Original Message-----
From: chenxb@ruijie.com.cn [mailto:chenxb@ruijie.com.cn]
= Sent: Wed 20/06/2007 14:01
To: vach.kompella@alcatel-lucent.com; mlasserre@alcatel-lucent.com
Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447

Hi all,
I have one question about LDP in RFC4447.
Section 5 in RFC4447 say:
    The PW label bindings are distributed using the LDP = downstream
    unsolicited mode described in [RFC3036].  The = PEs will establish an
    LDP session using the Extended Discovery mechanism = described in [LDP,
    sections 2.4.2 and 2.5].

My question is ,
if two PE is directly connected, can LDP session be established using = the
 Basic Discovery mechanism described in [LDP RFC3036, section = 2.4.1] ?

I consider that in this case  the session using the Extended = Discovery
mechanism is maybe the same session with using the Basic Discovery
mechanism.



Thanks and Regards

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From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Jun 21 07:37:51 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1Kyh-0000RN-OI; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:37:31 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I1Kyg-0000RD-Gt for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:37:30 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1Kyf-0000R5-Ro for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:37:29 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1Kye-0003WH-EV for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:37:29 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Jun 2007 07:37:24 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,447,1175486400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="63333382:sNHT90624390" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l5LBbOBs031708; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:37:24 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l5LBbCZF023396; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:37:17 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-20d.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.51]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:37:11 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <685D66DF6DB563459D23ECD8B30C73A4A8F648@zeus.yok.int.mrv.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 Thread-Index: AcezqIT15qGESmbGQXWGY4r8U/srEAAIWvZGAAttXzA= From: "Bob Thomas \(rhthomas\)" To: "Asaf Henig" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2007 11:37:11.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[82158C20:01C7B3F8] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=5291; t=1182425844; x=1183289844; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=rhthomas@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Bob=20Thomas=20\(rhthomas\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[MPLS]=20One=20question=20about=20LDP=20in=20RFC4447 |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Asaf=20Henig=22=20,=20; bh=K4ZJ9Z+4qKh7k2B/1qMi4ZgQsuW4dfBRJuc0zzoUdl4=; b=ev/nT0zmoMeP0tHj5RO0kkGPfXqC24w+uVaUYn0eEGA4VVTRhjd7KMQm25fBlVjG2Mng4UeW j5gFOM7REdZx4/F7SXWjEi8ZArQGfbL0bmg9bL8b0WHFLOmYMlFU7H1m; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=rhthomas@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0770535483960d190d4a0d020e7060bd Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1698347239==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1698347239== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7B3F8.81D4E346" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B3F8.81D4E346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Assuming that each LSR advertises the same LDP identifier in its link Hello's and in its targeted Hello's a single LDP session should be established. =20 Bob ________________________________ From: Asaf Henig [mailto:ahenig@mrv.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:04 AM To: chenxb@ruijie.com.cn Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: RE: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 =09 =09 The two session can and should co-exist. The session established via the Basic Discovery mechanism should advertise the tunnel labels. The session established via the Extended Discovery mechanism should advertise the vc labels (FEC 128/129) =09 =09 Asaf Henig Software Engineer Tel: +972-4-993-6289 Fax: 972-4-989-0564 www.mrv.com =09 =09 =09 -----Original Message----- From: chenxb@ruijie.com.cn [mailto:chenxb@ruijie.com.cn] Sent: Wed 20/06/2007 14:01 To: vach.kompella@alcatel-lucent.com; mlasserre@alcatel-lucent.com Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 =09 Hi all, I have one question about LDP in RFC4447. Section 5 in RFC4447 say: The PW label bindings are distributed using the LDP downstream unsolicited mode described in [RFC3036]. The PEs will establish an LDP session using the Extended Discovery mechanism described in [LDP, sections 2.4.2 and 2.5]. =09 My question is , if two PE is directly connected, can LDP session be established using the Basic Discovery mechanism described in [LDP RFC3036, section 2.4.1] ? =09 I consider that in this case the session using the Extended Discovery mechanism is maybe the same session with using the Basic Discovery mechanism. =09 =09 =09 Thanks and Regards =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B3F8.81D4E346 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447
Assuming that each LSR advertises the same LDP = identifier=20 in its link Hello's and in its targeted Hello's a single LDP session = should be=20 established.
 
Bob

From: Asaf Henig = [mailto:ahenig@mrv.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:04 AM
To:=20 chenxb@ruijie.com.cn
Cc: = mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: RE:=20 [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447

The two session can and should co-exist.
The = session=20 established via the Basic Discovery
mechanism should advertise the = tunnel=20 labels.
The session established via the Extended = Discovery
mechanism=20 should advertise the vc labels (FEC 128/129)


Asaf = Henig
Software=20 Engineer
Tel: +972-4-993-6289
Fax:=20 972-4-989-0564
www.mrv.com



-----Original=20 Message-----
From: chenxb@ruijie.com.cn [mailto:chenxb@ruijie.com.cn]
= Sent:=20 Wed 20/06/2007 14:01
To: vach.kompella@alcatel-lucent.com;=20 mlasserre@alcatel-lucent.com
Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: = [MPLS] One=20 question about LDP in RFC4447

Hi all,
I have one question = about LDP=20 in RFC4447.
Section 5 in RFC4447 say:
    The PW = label=20 bindings are distributed using the LDP = downstream
   =20 unsolicited mode described in [RFC3036].  The PEs will establish=20 an
    LDP session using the Extended Discovery = mechanism=20 described in [LDP,
    sections 2.4.2 and = 2.5].

My=20 question is ,
if two PE is directly connected, can LDP session be=20 established using the
 Basic Discovery mechanism described in = [LDP=20 RFC3036, section 2.4.1] ?

I consider that in this case  = the=20 session using the Extended Discovery
mechanism is maybe the same = session=20 with using the Basic Discovery
mechanism.



Thanks and = Regards




------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B3F8.81D4E346-- --===============1698347239== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============1698347239==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Jun 21 09:16:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1MW4-0007sQ-9r; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:16:04 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I1MW2-0007sI-Tf for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:16:02 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1MW2-0007sA-K6 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:16:02 -0400 Received: from mrz.swissptt.ch ([138.190.3.30]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1MW0-0000SY-0e for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:16:02 -0400 Received: from sxmcmp01.corproot.net (SXMCMP01.corproot.net [138.190.70.99]) by mrz.swissptt.ch with ESMTP id l5LDFvKC017444 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:15:57 +0200 (MEST) Received: from sxsmtp01.corproot.net ([10.185.84.29]) by sxmcmp01.corproot.net with InterScan Message Security Suite; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:15:53 +0200 Received: from sg1492p.corproot.net ([10.185.66.20]) by sxsmtp01.corproot.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:15:53 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:15:55 +0200 Message-ID: <83C3187535FAC0408E9B03456DDBB3A633DC3F@sg1492p.corproot.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 Thread-Index: AcezqIT15qGESmbGQXWGY4r8U/srEAAIWvZGAAttXzAAA4vJkA== References: <685D66DF6DB563459D23ECD8B30C73A4A8F648@zeus.yok.int.mrv.com> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2007 13:15:53.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BC53F90:01C7B406] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 16c9da4896bf5539ae3547c6c25f06a0 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1830486135==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1830486135== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7B406.4B25F038" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B406.4B25F038 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agree with Bob. This seems in accordance to RFC 3036 definition of Label Spaces ( section 2.2.1), LDP Indentifiers ( sec. 2.2.2) and LDP sessions and Transport ( other subsections of 2.2). =20 Best Regards =20 santanu ________________________________ From: Bob Thomas (rhthomas) [mailto:rhthomas@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:37 PM To: Asaf Henig; chenxb@ruijie.com.cn Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: RE: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 Assuming that each LSR advertises the same LDP identifier in its link Hello's and in its targeted Hello's a single LDP session should be established. =20 Bob ________________________________ From: Asaf Henig [mailto:ahenig@mrv.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:04 AM To: chenxb@ruijie.com.cn Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: RE: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 =09 =09 The two session can and should co-exist. The session established via the Basic Discovery mechanism should advertise the tunnel labels. The session established via the Extended Discovery mechanism should advertise the vc labels (FEC 128/129) =09 =09 Asaf Henig Software Engineer Tel: +972-4-993-6289 Fax: 972-4-989-0564 www.mrv.com =09 =09 =09 -----Original Message----- From: chenxb@ruijie.com.cn [mailto:chenxb@ruijie.com.cn] Sent: Wed 20/06/2007 14:01 To: vach.kompella@alcatel-lucent.com; mlasserre@alcatel-lucent.com Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 =09 Hi all, I have one question about LDP in RFC4447. Section 5 in RFC4447 say: The PW label bindings are distributed using the LDP downstream unsolicited mode described in [RFC3036]. The PEs will establish an LDP session using the Extended Discovery mechanism described in [LDP, sections 2.4.2 and 2.5]. =09 My question is , if two PE is directly connected, can LDP session be established using the Basic Discovery mechanism described in [LDP RFC3036, section 2.4.1] ? =09 I consider that in this case the session using the Extended Discovery mechanism is maybe the same session with using the Basic Discovery mechanism. =09 =09 =09 Thanks and Regards =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B406.4B25F038 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447
Agree with Bob.
This seems in accordance to RFC 3036 = definition of=20 Label Spaces ( section 2.2.1), LDP Indentifiers ( sec. 2.2.2) and LDP = sessions=20 and Transport ( other subsections of 2.2).
 
Best Regards
 
santanu
From: Bob Thomas (rhthomas)=20 [mailto:rhthomas@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 = 1:37=20 PM
To: Asaf Henig; chenxb@ruijie.com.cn
Cc:=20 mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: RE: [MPLS] One question about LDP = in=20 RFC4447

Assuming that each LSR advertises the same LDP = identifier=20 in its link Hello's and in its targeted Hello's a single LDP session = should be=20 established.
 
Bob

From: Asaf Henig = [mailto:ahenig@mrv.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:04 AM
To:=20 chenxb@ruijie.com.cn
Cc: = mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: RE:=20 [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447

The two session can and should co-exist.
The = session=20 established via the Basic Discovery
mechanism should advertise the = tunnel=20 labels.
The session established via the Extended = Discovery
mechanism=20 should advertise the vc labels (FEC 128/129)


Asaf = Henig
Software=20 Engineer
Tel: +972-4-993-6289
Fax:=20 972-4-989-0564
www.mrv.com



-----Original=20 Message-----
From: chenxb@ruijie.com.cn [mailto:chenxb@ruijie.com.cn]
= Sent:=20 Wed 20/06/2007 14:01
To: vach.kompella@alcatel-lucent.com;=20 mlasserre@alcatel-lucent.com
Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org
Subject: = [MPLS] One=20 question about LDP in RFC4447

Hi all,
I have one question = about LDP=20 in RFC4447.
Section 5 in RFC4447 say:
    The PW = label=20 bindings are distributed using the LDP = downstream
   =20 unsolicited mode described in [RFC3036].  The PEs will establish=20 an
    LDP session using the Extended Discovery = mechanism=20 described in [LDP,
    sections 2.4.2 and = 2.5].

My=20 question is ,
if two PE is directly connected, can LDP session be=20 established using the
 Basic Discovery mechanism described in = [LDP=20 RFC3036, section 2.4.1] ?

I consider that in this case  = the=20 session using the Extended Discovery
mechanism is maybe the same = session=20 with using the Basic Discovery
mechanism.



Thanks and = Regards




------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B406.4B25F038-- --===============1830486135== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============1830486135==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Jun 21 23:38:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1Zxw-0007cK-4J; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:37:44 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I1Zxu-0007cF-Cv for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:37:42 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1Zxu-0007c7-3F for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:37:42 -0400 Received: from [61.233.3.220] (helo=mail.ruijie.com.cn) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1Zxs-0004zx-BJ for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:37:42 -0400 To: ahenig@mrv.com, Santanu.Ganguly@swisscom.com, rhthomas@cisco.com Subject: RE: [MPLS] One question about LDP in RFC4447 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.1 January 17, 2006 From: chenxb@ruijie.com.cn Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:35:00 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mailserver/ruijie(Release 6.5.4FP3|January 09, 2006) at 2007-06-22 11:35:12, Serialize complete at 2007-06-22 11:35:12 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1391864246==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1391864246== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0066872788257302_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0066872788257302_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" if each LSR that directly connected advertises the same trasport adddress and LDP Indentifier in its link hello and targeted hello, only a single LDP session would be established. Should tunnel labels and PW labels(VC labels) be advertised via the only session under this case ? Thanks and Regards jerry king --=_alternative 0066872788257302_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
if each LSR that directly connected advertises  the same trasport
adddress and LDP Indentifier in its link hello and targeted hello,
only a single LDP session would be established.

Should tunnel labels and PW labels(VC labels) be advertised
via the only session under this case ?

 Thanks and Regards

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To make sure that all members of PWE3 are able to read it, I have extracted the substantive text as ASCII. I have major concerns about the assumption of disjoint operation since I cannot see how the T-MPLS protocol prevents this. I request WG input on how to respond to this liaison. - Stewart ====== Thank you for your liaison statement “PWE3 and MPLS WG response to G.8110.1 Amendment 1”. We note your concerns with our work on T-MPLS and your draft http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-transport-00.txt. It appears that the work in the IETF is addressing some different requirements: “Input from network operators indicates that the key requirements is the transparent carriage of the MPLS network of one party over the MPLS network of another party, with the constraint that the MPLS design MUST NOT be changed and that the solution MUST be compatible with their existing large base of already deployed MPLS networks.” Some members of SG 15 expressed support for these requirements. However, the basis for the work in SG 15 has been the development of a packet switched network that meets all of the network operators transport operations requirements. The assumption we have made is that when deploying T-MPLS for this purpose it will be deployed on a network that is disjoint from any already deployed IP/MPLS network. Equipment developed prior to the approval of the T-MPLS Recommendations is not expected to comply with these Recommendations. Our intention in developing the suite of T-MPLS Recommendations is to define a packet based transport network technology. The design objectives of T-MPLS are: a) Follow the principles of the transport network used in other ITU-T defined transport technologies (e.g SDH, ATM, OTN). b) To use the PDU and forwarding plane processes defined by the IETF for MPLS. After the presentation of the Liaison Statement the following was noted: • T-MPLS OAM mechanisms have been developed by ITU-T G.8114/Y.1373 to provide transport-like fault and performance monitoring capabilities including alarm suppression, packet loss measurements and support of multiple ownerships • T-MPLS protection mechanisms have been developed by ITU-T G.8131 to provide transport-like protection schemes including trail and sub-network protection • The separation between the data plane and the control plane is a major requirement in transport networks An electronic copy of this liaison statement is available at: http://ties.itu.ch/ftp/public/itu-t/tsg15opticaltransport/COMMUNICATIONS/ _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Jun 26 19:03:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3K4P-0005UZ-Sx; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:03:37 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I3K4P-0005T9-2N for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:03:37 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3K4N-0005Sc-Ny for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:03:36 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3K3u-0007m7-QZ for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:03:35 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Jun 2007 19:03:07 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAGw4gUZAZnme/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,464,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="63753868:sNHT42693804" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l5QN368V022632; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:03:06 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l5QN2mZj014943; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:03:02 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-203.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.20]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:01:38 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:01:37 -0400 Message-ID: <829173BE40A7F147AC51726688B0374B0310B77E@xmb-rtp-203.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46816F00.9020209@cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement, "Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" Thread-Index: Ace4K+iJ5DLN6SI/S96633bgfP4mKwAFUXnw From: "Kyung-Yeop Hong \(hongk\)" To: "Stewart Bryant \(stbryant\)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2007 23:01:38.0556 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3C7CBC0:01C7B845] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3769; t=1182898986; x=1183762986; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=hongk@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Kyung-Yeop=20Hong=20\(hongk\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[PWE3]=20New=20Liaison=20Statement, =22Response=20to=2 0PWE3=20and=20MPLS=20WG=20concerns=20with=20G.8110.1=20Amendment=201=22 |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Stewart=20Bryant=20\(stbryant\)=22=20; bh=/hVbI7FH6NO+ZACdiD2mnAEhcC4Cam7NgxSWolmlumY=; b=cVXiC7Uv4B7NB68zSWowUOlD5LlnrBs6mg4vOSWx4piyF+i0d53zgUrs+u4H0FzAeOwa9yQ1 TV+I+wuE+L+GyiY3Bxq48KypY0NVqeDUaP+h7nH8B1pruA2ys9hTHrpQ; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=hongk@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org, pwe3@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] RE: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement, "Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org I attended the discussion at the ITU-T SG15 meeting in Geneva when Stewart presented the IETF liaison of draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-transport-00.txt. Some members of SG15, including major carriers and vendors, expressed their support for the IETF draft, and requested to include their opinions in the response liaison statement. However, their requests were not taken. Stewart was there so he knows this as well. It is surprising that this response liaison does not reflect the reality of the discussion occurred at the SG15 meeting. Kyung-Yeop -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Bryant (stbryant)=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:55 PM Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org; pwe3@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement,"Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" The IETF response to our liaison of draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-transport-00.txt was sent as a word document. To make sure that all members of PWE3 are=20 able to read it, I have extracted the substantive text as ASCII. I have major concerns about the assumption of disjoint operation since I cannot see how the T-MPLS protocol prevents this. I request WG input on how to respond to this liaison. - Stewart =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Thank you for your liaison statement "PWE3 and MPLS WG response to=20 G.8110.1 Amendment 1".=20 We note your concerns with our work on T-MPLS and your draft=20 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-transport-00.tx t. It appears that the work in the IETF is addressing some different=20 requirements: "Input from network operators indicates that the key requirements is the transparent carriage of the MPLS network of one party over the MPLS=20 network of another party, with the constraint that the MPLS design MUST=20 NOT be changed and that the solution MUST be compatible with their=20 existing large base of already deployed MPLS networks." Some members of SG 15 expressed support for these requirements. =20 However, the basis for the work in SG 15 has been the development of a=20 packet switched network that meets all of the network operators=20 transport operations requirements. 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BCP 128 RFC 4928 Title: Avoiding Equal Cost Multipath Treatment in MPLS Networks Author: G. Swallow, S. Bryant, L. Andersson Status: Best Current Practice Date: June 2007 Mailbox: stbryant@cisco.com, swallow@cisco.com, loa@pi.se Pages: 8 Characters: 18376 Updates: See-Also: BCP0128 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-mpls-ecmp-bcp-03.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4928.txt This document describes the Equal Cost Multipath (ECMP) behavior of currently deployed MPLS networks. This document makes best practice recommendations for anyone defining an application to run over an MPLS network that wishes to avoid the reordering that can result from transmission of different packets from the same flow over multiple different equal cost paths. These recommendations rely on inspection of the IP version number field in packets. 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The RFC Editor Team USC/Information Sciences Institute ... _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Jun 28 02:07:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3n9e-0001lf-3P; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:06:58 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I3n9c-0001em-Ms for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:06:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3n9c-0001dW-3e for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:06:56 -0400 Received: from mx2-n.rad.co.il ([62.0.23.221] helo=antivir2.rad.co.il) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3n9M-000350-5n for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:06:56 -0400 Received: from exrad3.rad.co.il (HELO exrad3.ad.rad.co.il) ([192.114.24.112]) by antivir2.rad.co.il with ESMTP; 28 Jun 2007 09:06:37 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:06:36 +0300 Message-ID: <457D36D9D89B5B47BC06DA869B1C815D045C8EAE@exrad3.ad.rad.co.il> In-Reply-To: <46816F00.9020209@cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement, "Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" Thread-Index: Ace4K+PmizzvDV9GRKSw6RIcLy6tAQBHbfSg From: "Yaakov Stein" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org, pwe3@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] RE: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement, "Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Stewart,=20 If SG15's position is "The assumption we have made is that when deploying T-MPLS for this purpose=20 it will be deployed on a network that is disjoint from any already deployed IP/MPLS network." then they should explicitly state a limitation in the scope section of the new Recommendation. I recall several times when as editor I was forced to add such limitations. Something like "The protocol described in the Recommendation shall not be deployed in any existing IP/MPLS network, nor shall it interwork in any fashion with such a network." Y(J)S -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Bryant [mailto:stbryant@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 22:55 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org; pwe3@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement,"Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" The IETF response to our liaison of draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-transport-00.txt was sent as a word document. To make sure that all members of PWE3 are able to read it, I have extracted the substantive text as ASCII. I have major concerns about the assumption of disjoint operation since I cannot see how the T-MPLS protocol prevents this. I request WG input on how to respond to this liaison. - Stewart _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Jun 28 02:23:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3nP9-0003sT-Q0; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:22:59 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I3nP0-0003nM-AS for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:22:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3nOz-0003iQ-54 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:22:49 -0400 Received: from mxa6.qos.net.il ([80.74.96.6] helo=mx05.qos.net.il) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3nKn-0006uB-VS for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:18:47 -0400 Received: from mail.axerra.com (webmail.axerra.com [80.74.100.75]) by mx05.qos.net.il (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5876F374BC3 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:18:26 +0300 (IDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement, "Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:17:43 +0300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <457D36D9D89B5B47BC06DA869B1C815D045C8EAE@exrad3.ad.rad.co.il> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement, "Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" Thread-index: Ace4K+PmizzvDV9GRKSw6RIcLy6tAQBHbfSgAABIAlA= From: "Sasha Vainshtein" To: "Yaakov Stein" , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d8ae4fd88fcaf47c1a71c804d04f413d Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org, pwe3@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Yaakov, Stewart and all. IMHO the only real way to assure disjoint operation of MPLS and T-MPLS=20 is to allocate dedicated protocol numbers (EtherType etc.) for T-MPLS. Such an allocation would not harm T-MPLS in any way. On the contrary, to the best of my understanding, usage of the same protocol=20 numbers cannot not serve any purpose beyond facilitating MPLS/T-MPLS=20 interworking (be it intentional or not). So I suggest we resurrect our old proposal to SG15 to switch to a different set of protocol numbers. My 2c. Regards, Sasha =20 -----Original Message----- From: Yaakov Stein [mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:07 AM To: stbryant@cisco.com Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org; pwe3@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] RE: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement,"Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" Stewart,=20 If SG15's position is "The assumption we have made is that when deploying T-MPLS for this purpose=20 it will be deployed on a network that is disjoint from any already deployed IP/MPLS network." then they should explicitly state a limitation in the scope section of the new Recommendation. I recall several times when as editor I was forced to add such limitations. Something like "The protocol described in the Recommendation shall not be deployed in any existing IP/MPLS network, nor shall it interwork in any fashion with such a network." Y(J)S -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Bryant [mailto:stbryant@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 22:55 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org; pwe3@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement,"Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" The IETF response to our liaison of draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-transport-00.txt was sent as a word document. To make sure that all members of PWE3 are able to read it, I have extracted the substantive text as ASCII. I have major concerns about the assumption of disjoint operation since I cannot see how the T-MPLS protocol prevents this. 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