From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sun Jul 01 01:22:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4rt3-0007kj-OJ; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:22:17 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I4rt1-0007ht-1y for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:22:15 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4rt0-0007gt-IZ for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:22:14 -0400 Received: from mx2-012.rad.co.il ([212.199.240.16] helo=antivir2.rad.co.il) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4rsB-0002Mc-Us for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:22:14 -0400 Received: from exrad3.rad.co.il (HELO exrad3.ad.rad.co.il) ([192.114.24.112]) by antivir2.rad.co.il with ESMTP; 01 Jul 2007 08:21:21 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:21:20 +0300 Message-ID: <457D36D9D89B5B47BC06DA869B1C815D04662331@exrad3.ad.rad.co.il> In-Reply-To: <2ECAA42C79676B42AEBAC11229CA7D0CA2908F@E03MVB2-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement, "Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" Thread-Index: Ace4K+PmizzvDV9GRKSw6RIcLy6tAQBHbfSgAABSjsAAlPqlMA== From: "Yaakov Stein" To: , , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: stbryant@cisco.com Subject: [mpls] RE: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement, "Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Neil,=20 Yes, I quite agree that there can be client-server relationships (either way). What I want is a clear statement that there can be no peer relationship. Sasha's comment on separate Ethertypes is, of course, a good solution, but we need to state the requirement first and then give this as one possible solution. BTW, we have requested this several times already. BTW -----Original Message----- From: neil.2.harrison@bt.com [mailto:neil.2.harrison@bt.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 09:27 To: Yaakov Stein Cc: stbryant@cisco.com Subject: RE: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement,"Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" Hi Yaakov, Good point...a key corollary of which IMO is that T-MPLS cannot be claimed to be a sub-set of MPLS.....so one could call T-MPLS anything one likes now....indeed, perhaps IETF should request this of ITU to avoid any confusion? However, whilst I accept there should be no attempt at interworking MPLS and T-MPLS as though they were peers (essentially the horizontal partitioning of what looks like a single layer network...so I agree this needs clearly stating) there ought to be some clarification of what client/server relationships are intended (if any?) to exist between MPLS and T-MPLS (both ways, ie MPLSoT-MPLS and T-MPLSoMPLS). regards, Neil _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sun Jul 01 01:29:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4rzp-0004r9-0z; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:29:17 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I4rzn-0004pF-DD for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:29:15 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4rzm-0004p4-Ui for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:29:14 -0400 Received: from mx2-n.rad.co.il ([62.0.23.221] helo=antivir2.rad.co.il) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4rzC-0005ox-JX for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:29:14 -0400 Received: from exrad3.rad.co.il (HELO exrad3.ad.rad.co.il) ([192.114.24.112]) by antivir2.rad.co.il with ESMTP; 01 Jul 2007 08:28:36 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement, "Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:28:35 +0300 Message-ID: <457D36D9D89B5B47BC06DA869B1C815D04662341@exrad3.ad.rad.co.il> In-Reply-To: <390CD596-7947-44E3-8735-3D9D62AA7919@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement, "Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" Thread-Index: Ace6gpevgOMYo4ECRbyXmfH0HVBczQBHTHXA From: "Yaakov Stein" To: "Phil Bedard" , "Sasha Vainshtein" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org, Italo Busi , pwe3@ietf.org, stbryant@cisco.com X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Phil,=20 There are several types of interworking. "Nework interworking" or "client-server" interworking means carrying one network layer over another. See all the ITU Y.14xx Recommendations for further explanations. "Service interworking" or "peer to peer interworking" means passing the payload information between two different network technologies. The documents being presented claim that T-MPLS is a different network technology from IETF-defined MPLS (or what they call IP-MPLS). Different needn't mean incompatible formats, it is enough for one to be a strict subset of the other (e.g disallow certain features). In this case interworking (of one type or the other) needs to be defined. Those proposing T-MPLS are claiming that interworking need not be defined as they assume that there are no use cases for this. 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EntreMetrix Inc. (ERMX) $0.16 Congress's push to increase trade agreements with China gives ERMX huge advantage as they enter joint venture to manufacture Nitride Devices for military, energy and technological solutions in China. This is huge. Get on ERMX Monday! DECREASING SLOWLY THROUGH THE NIGHT. GREEN AND WASHINGTON COUNTIES. AREAS OF LOW CLOUDS AND FOG ARE QUICKLY DEVELOPING ACROSS MUCH OF NORTHEAST ALABAMA EARLY THIS MORNING. CLOUDY SKIES WITH A FEW SPRINKLES DEVELOPING THROUGH THE EARLY MORNING HOURS. AND WELL INLAND EAST OF BARROW. AND ADDITIONAL RAINS WILL LIKELY RESULT IN PONDING OF WATER AROUND LOW LYING AREAS AS WELL AS STANDING WATER ON SOME ROADWAYS. CLOUDY SKIES AND LIGHT WINDS. GREEN AND WASHINGTON COUNTIES. MOSTLY NEAR THE ELLIOTT HIGHWAY. AND ALLOW PLENTY OF DISTANCE BETWEEN YOU AND SURROUNDING VEHICLES. MOSTLY NEAR THE ELLIOTT HIGHWAY. DO NOT DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE INTO WATER COVERED ROADWAYS. ONE TO TWO INCHES OF RAINFALL HAS ALREADY FALLEN ACROSS PARTS OF GEORGE. AREAS OF LOW CLOUDS AND FOG ARE QUICKLY DEVELOPING ACROSS MUCH OF NORTHEAST ALABAMA EARLY THIS MORNING. THE HEAVIER RAIN AND THUNDERSTORMS HAVE PUSHED WELL SOUTH. THERE WILL BE A FEW THUNDER STORMS. AND ALLOW PLENTY OF DISTANCE BETWEEN YOU AND SURROUNDING VEHICLES. AND WELL INLAND EAST OF BARROW. MOSTLY NEAR THE ELLIOTT HIGHWAY. RAINFALL AMOUNTS WILL BE UP TO ONE QUARTER OF AN INCH. IF TRAVELING THIS MORNING. THERE WILL BE A FEW THUNDER STORMS. THE HEAVIER RAIN AND THUNDERSTORMS HAVE PUSHED WELL SOUTH. THE RAIN IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TO DECREASE IN COVERAGE AND WEAKEN OVERNIGHT. THE LOW CLOUD DECK AND AREAS OF FOG ALONG THE COAST LINE WILL CREEP WESTWARD AND SLIGHTLY SOUTHWARD THROUGH THE EVENING. DECREASING SLOWLY THROUGH THE NIGHT. CLOUDY SKIES WITH A FEW SPRINKLES DEVELOPING THROUGH THE EARLY MORNING HOURS. This file is usually updated about every two minutes. AREAS OF LOW CLOUDS AND FOG ARE QUICKLY DEVELOPING ACROSS MUCH OF NORTHEAST ALABAMA EARLY THIS MORNING. RAINFALL AMOUNTS WILL BE UP TO ONE QUARTER OF AN INCH. MOSTLY NEAR THE ELLIOTT HIGHWAY. This file is usually updated about every two minutes. IF TRAVELING THIS MORNING. DO NOT DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE INTO WATER COVERED ROADWAYS. GREEN AND WASHINGTON COUNTIES. THE STEESE HIGHWAY FROM TWELVE MILE SUMMIT TO FOX WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE RAIN SHOWERS. AND ADDITIONAL RAINS WILL LIKELY RESULT IN PONDING OF WATER AROUND LOW LYING AREAS AS WELL AS STANDING WATER ON SOME ROADWAYS. THE SHOWERS AND STORMS ARE GRADUALLY WEAKENING This same information is available in other file formats including the XML based RSS and CAP formats. This file is usually updated about every two minutes. THE SHOWERS AND STORMS ARE GRADUALLY WEAKENING DECREASING SLOWLY THROUGH THE NIGHT. CLOUDY SKIES AND LIGHT WINDS. EXPECT CLOUDY SKIES WITH LIGHT RAIN SHOWERS TO CONTINUE PUSHING IN FROM THE EAST. IF TRAVELING THIS MORNING. THE DEPTH MAY BE TOO GREAT TO ALLOW A SAFE CROSSING. 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http://www.cletfen.net/?pqxbncxpjs ------------9915AF2991534F-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 02 11:01:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I5NP0-0007Sk-7a; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:01:22 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I5NOy-0007SU-3Q for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:01:20 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I5NOx-0007SC-Mw for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:01:19 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I5NOx-0004H1-9F for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:01:19 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Jul 2007 11:00:54 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAJKviEZAZnmf/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,487,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="64169488:sNHT71832106" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l62F0sMi006402; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:00:54 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l62F0cs0029796; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:00:45 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-203.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.20]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:00:38 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement, "Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:00:37 -0400 Message-ID: <829173BE40A7F147AC51726688B0374B03158A0F@xmb-rtp-203.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <457D36D9D89B5B47BC06DA869B1C815D04662341@exrad3.ad.rad.co.il> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement, "Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" Thread-Index: Ace6gpevgOMYo4ECRbyXmfH0HVBczQBHTHXAAEZTuKA= From: "Kyung-Yeop Hong \(hongk\)" To: "Yaakov Stein" , "Phil Bedard" , "Sasha Vainshtein" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 15:00:38.0911 (UTC) FILETIME=[C091F0F0:01C7BCB9] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=4180; t=1183388454; x=1184252454; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=hongk@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Kyung-Yeop=20Hong=20\(hongk\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[mpls]=20RE=3A=20[PWE3]=20New=20Liaison=20Statement, = 22Response=20to=20PWE3=20and=20MPLS=20WG=20concerns=20with=20G.8110.1=20Am endment=201=22 |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Yaakov=20Stein=22=20, =20=22Phil=20Bedard=22=2 0, =0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=22Sasha=20Vainshtein= 22=20; bh=PuJnbys47R1y6aD1uCxY4wBcV0oajq2sbXWskE5cVC0=; b=dVcIF1zSL9ZkHYWjVQkZp1ksAIPouLqeImpDbvfvcaKM/e/CO6pjTt7WWZFq1FklY8tMnA7C 7DGya5eE4s7marybIGKAnVZmZtDzuRP/rTI/gPpFbr85VX8nQagTxjLv; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=hongk@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1a1bf7677bfe77d8af1ebe0e91045c5b Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org, Italo Busi , pwe3@ietf.org, "Stewart Bryant \(stbryant\)" X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Yaakov, Phil, Stewart et al, In the Scope section of the previously approved G.8110.1 (T-MPLS architecture), it was stated: "Further a T-MPLS network will not peer directly with an IP/MPLS network". (I think this implies that T-MPLS does not support service interworking with IP/MPLS) At the last Q12/15 meeting, they modified the above sentence in the Scope section as follows: "Further a T-MPLS network will have a client/server relationship with an IP/MPLS network". (I think this implies that T-MPLS may support network interworking with IP/MPLS, although I am not sure about what "will" means in the context of Rec) Those proposing T-MPLS proposed "IP/MPLS and T-MPLS Interoperability" at the last meeting and following is the meeting report FYI: "Contribution C595, (Alcatel-Lucent), "IP/MPLS and T-MPLS Interoperability" raised some concerns. It was noted that we have agreed that we do not expect IP/MPLS and T-MPLS to directly interoperate. It was clarified that the contributions addresses use of a Pseudowire that spans a MPLS and a T-MPLS network. I was noted that Q7/13 has responsibility for PW interworking. It was suggested that the intent was that the T-MPLS network would encapsulate the MPLS PW. Further clarification of the network application is required before any action can be taken." It seems like the intent was the network interworking, but then Q7/13 has responsibility for PW interworking as written in the report. We must be very clear about their scope and requirements of T-MPLS (in particular for interworking, interoperability, etc). - KY -----Original Message----- From: Yaakov Stein [mailto:yaakov_s@rad.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:29 AM To: Phil Bedard; Sasha Vainshtein Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org; Italo Busi; pwe3@ietf.org; Stewart Bryant (stbryant) Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement,"Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" Phil,=20 There are several types of interworking. "Nework interworking" or "client-server" interworking means carrying one network layer over another. See all the ITU Y.14xx Recommendations for further explanations. "Service interworking" or "peer to peer interworking" means passing the payload information between two different network technologies. The documents being presented claim that T-MPLS is a different network technology from IETF-defined MPLS (or what they call IP-MPLS). Different needn't mean incompatible formats, it is enough for one to be a strict subset of the other (e.g disallow certain features). In this case interworking (of one type or the other) needs to be defined. Those proposing T-MPLS are claiming that interworking need not be defined as they assume that there are no use cases for this. (I disagree) Y(J)S -----Original Message----- From: Phil Bedard [mailto:bedard.phil@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 22:21 To: Sasha Vainshtein Cc: Italo Busi; mpls@lists.ietf.org; Yaakov Stein; pwe3@ietf.org; stbryant@cisco.com Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: [PWE3] New Liaison Statement, "Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1" Excuse me if this has already been covered, I've just read some of the current messages and to me it seems the definition of =20 "interworking" needs to be better defined in these discussions. To =20 me interworking is a translation function on the same data plane, not =20 one framing technology encapsulating another. The connection-=20 oriented specifications of T-MPLS seem to not allow its frames to be translated and carried on an IP/MPLS network without special =20 treatment, unless I'm mistaken. So there really isn't =20 "interworking". The fact they use the same forwarding plane, =20 packet format, and codepoints seems to confuse things. If they are =20 truly distinct protocols that serve different purposes, as the T-MPLS advocates seem to say, then clear separation needs to be made between the two. 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The edit makes this behaviour an option in the preferences, when I asked about it before, there wasn't much interest in putting it into the official distribution though. The selectors do enjoy certain flexibility because Matt Giteau can play halfback, five-eighth and inside centre. bugziki to the jspwiki. Has anyone disadvantages in addition to implementation time and effort? Use relative paths from the document root for data. For AlainRavet, it's allowing HTML. We actually already have functional attachments and authentication code. But I won't be trying to cover it or play through this if it hasn't improved. This should let people have more fine-grained navigation on the LeftMenu without having it be excessively long. It should lessen the bandwidth requirements as well. htm file into Microsoft Word, generate a table of contents and produce a book. I am not saying that these are not important issues, but what I am saying is that we should keep things simple. it is not really what I want. Envision a page: JSPWikiBugReporting that says: ! Gerrard was sitting pretty before the team went to South Africa. Referenced by Bug Form Output Plugin Does Not Pass Body Paramete. Fop will throw an exception because the name to an element must be unique in a document. jar file is in my lib directory along with my JSPWiki. And if you got yourself carried away it could have an index etc. Before a page is shown this identity can be controlled in an action. Then the exception will go away. I'm not sure it's one that we necessarily think he should have made, but you can't question his medical competency. Both will be hoping Ashley-Cooper is bracketed as a centre, but if not, one is certain not to go. Typically, pages that are marked for deletion might be new pages created by spammers, or new pages created by visitors who are just testing. For instance it would be extremely easy to implement the authentication and file attachments features if this JSPwiki was based on Struts. But it seems doesn't support Chinese characters. But there is a difference between JSPWiki using Struts itself and JSPWiki being embedded within another web application that does use Struts. Both will be hoping Ashley-Cooper is bracketed as a centre, but if not, one is certain not to go. "They have to pass a standard battery of tests that tell you how their brain is functioning," she said. DELETEME page In the earlier days, pages that referred to this page were automatically deleted by a regularly scheduled script running on the server. Should this be called 'Page Flags' instead to avoid confusion with jsp tags? jarBinary Introduction Bugziki is a JSPWiki plugin, providing simple integration with the Bugzilla bugtracking system. You need to increase the session timeout in your web. ta, GWP - sorry for the delay! You could then load the . Whether I'm there on Sunday, it's a crucial game for us. We don't want to get to a stage where we've got to rely on other teams to lose to make the finals. Enhance images to be able to force inlining or linking regardless of image format Use the "Images" JSPWikiPlugin. Can't go wrong with that! I also don't think that struts is needed. I found that the changes made to MenuTree. 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------------B829EFD36EFD367-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sat Jul 07 16:11:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7GcR-00013B-HF; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:11:03 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I7GcQ-000136-Gr for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:11:02 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7GcQ-00012Q-53 for mpls@ietf.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:11:02 -0400 Received: from mta6.iomartmail.com ([62.128.193.156]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7GcB-0000zF-Hp for mpls@ietf.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:11:02 -0400 Received: from mta6.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta6.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l67K9I4N010828; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:09:18 +0100 Received: from your029b8cecfe (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by mta6.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l67K9Gxo010771; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:09:17 +0100 Message-ID: <03f301c7c0d2$b0d06120$0200a8c0@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Joan Cucchiara" , , References: <013a01c77866$a71ad7a0$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <001501c7808b$a9f2f570$6501a8c0@JoanPC> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:07:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f66b12316365a3fe519e75911daf28a8 Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Re: Early MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thanks Joan, A new revision to address most of your points has just been submitted. But a couple of items are discussed below. You asked: >> *) Are there any objects which apply only to GMPLS? There is no difference (at this time) between P2MP MPLS-TE and P2MP GMPLS. All objects can be applied to GMPLS. >> **) 6.1. Example Use of the LSR MIB Module >> >> Even if the LSR MIB is able to be used to configure P2MP, >> SHOULD it be used? >> What is the benefit of doing so? >> Are networks really doing this? >> >> My concern is that it is far easier to document one way of configuring a >> feature and supporting this way through the standards process than to >> put forth a secondary way to configure. So unless there is truly a >> compelling reason, why do this? >> >> If you want to proceed with the LSR MIB being used for p2mp, >> then you need to show an example of how to configure this. Order >> of the configuration seems critical, and that needs to be explained. You'll notice that RFC3813 allows write access to the LSR MIB. So, clearly it was deemed acceptable to manually set up forwarding state (or cross-connections). And we must recall that (much as I love the control plane) the control plane is not the only way to operate a network. Consider, for example, the majority of transport networks. Now, you'll also note that RFC3813 allows a "cross-connect" to have multiple in and out segments. So I don't think there is anything else to say. >> *) mplsTeP2mpTunnelNotificationEnable OBJECT-TYPE >> >> Can RFC3413 be used instead? Do you feel strongly about this? We could use it, but: - we should probably follow the same structure as RFC3812 - I don't like forcing the support of another MIB module for this one bit (literally) of information. >> * Why is RFC4461 in the informative section? Would think this should >> be in the Normative. The downref rules are a pain :-) and it is easier to avoid them than deal with them. > Section "4.2 Use of MPLS-TE-STD-MIB". > > There was concern that using the same Objects with updates from > MPLS-TE-STD-MIB would result in a backwards compatibility > issue. (If the situation came about that there were devices that > supported > the original version of the MPLS-TE-STD-MIB and a newer version, then > the interpretation of these objects might be confused. > The suggestion was to create new objects in this MIB. > Also, it would be necessary to include in the conformance section > of the MIB what objects from MPLS-TE-STD-MIB need to > be supported. I don't see any backward compatibility issues. Legacy implementations do not support the P2MP MIB module, so do not have a problem. The functional change is to interpret certain objects in MPLS-TE-STD-MIB differently if (and only if) there is a corresponding row entry in mplsTeP2mpTunnelTable. If we created new objects in MPLS-TE-P2MP-STD-MIB (which we could) then we would still need to change the interpretation of the objects in MPLS-TE-STD-MIB because they would cease to be meaningful. Having decided that we had to change the interpretation, we decided that we would not also need new objects. What do you think? Once again, many thanks. 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From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sun Jul 08 23:15:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7jhb-0007VJ-IP; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:14:19 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I7jha-0007Rd-3S for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:14:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7jhZ-0007RV-Q4 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:14:17 -0400 Received: from mail.ruijie.com.cn ([61.233.3.220]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7jhV-0000kX-9P for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:14:17 -0400 To: mlasserre@alcatel-lucent.com, vach.kompella@alcatel-lucent.com Subject: [MPLS] One question about Spoke Connectivity for Non-Bridging Devices in RFC4762 =?GB2312?B?oaM=?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.1 January 17, 2006 From: chenxb@ruijie.com.cn Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:11:17 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on mailserver/ruijie(Release 6.5.4FP3|January 09, 2006) at 2007-07-09 11:11:42, Serialize complete at 2007-07-09 11:11:42 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1492218406==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1492218406== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0063E3C788257313_=" This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0063E3C788257313_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi all, Section 10.1.3 in RFC4762 say, Note that in the case where PE-r devices use Provider VLANs (P-VLAN) as demultiplexers instead of PWs, PE1-rs can treat them as such and map these "circuits" into a VPLS domain to provide bridging support between them. I can not unstand this statement ,Could you for example? i think PE-r devices should use PW labels as demultiplexers more often. Thanks and Regards Jerry king --=_alternative 0063E3C788257313_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Hi all,

 Section 10.1.3 in RFC4762 say,
   Note that in the case where PE-r devices use Provider VLANs (P-VLAN)
   as demultiplexers instead of PWs, PE1-rs can treat them as such and
   map these "circuits" into a VPLS domain to provide bridging support
   between them.

I can not unstand this statement ,Could you for example?
i think PE-r devices should use PW labels as demultiplexers more often.

Thanks and Regards
Jerry king
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Thread-Index: AcfCVCXrgVCxqwC2Qiik653iI7mlRg== From: "Nitin Bahadur" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 18:08:27.0926 (UTC) FILETIME=[26516B60:01C7C254] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: Subject: [mpls] New draft for performing lsp-traceroute for tunneled/stitched LSPs. X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, A new draft has been submitted...=20 http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mpls/draft-nitinb-lsp-ping-over-mpls-tunnel-00. txt The draft describes methods for performing lsp-ping traceroute over mpls tunnels. The techniques outlined in RFC 4379 (LSP-Ping) fail to perform correct traceroute validation and path discovery for a LSP that goes over other mpls tunnels or over stitched LSPs. The draft describes new procedures that can be used in conjunction with the standard procedures described in RFC 4379 to trace such LSPs. It would be great if the WG could go over the draft and provide comments on the same. 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You can get MUCH MORE if you contact us: The Spamhaus Project Ltd. 50 Churchill Square, Suite 6, Kings Hill, West Malling ME19 4YU United Kingdom, Tel (+44) 0845 226 0208 From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 09 17:57:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I81EA-0002V3-5W; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:57:06 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I81E9-0002Uy-9s for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:57:05 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I81E8-0002Up-Vm for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:57:05 -0400 Received: from mta1.iomartmail.com ([62.128.193.151]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I81E8-0003FH-J5 for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:57:04 -0400 Received: from mta1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l69LtPNJ027817; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:55:25 +0100 Received: from your029b8cecfe (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by mta1.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l69LtNOb027717; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:55:25 +0100 Message-ID: <053201c7c273$d8bbc380$0200a8c0@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Nitin Bahadur" , References: <7FA0C743C38E5340BFC2873488FA1E8E1F074F@emailcorp3.jnpr.net> Subject: Re: [mpls] New draft for performing lsp-traceroute fortunneled/stitched LSPs. Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:51:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, Could you briefly compare and contrast with RFC 3609? Thanks, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nitin Bahadur" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: [mpls] New draft for performing lsp-traceroute fortunneled/stitched LSPs. Hi, A new draft has been submitted... http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mpls/draft-nitinb-lsp-ping-over-mpls-tunnel-00. txt The draft describes methods for performing lsp-ping traceroute over mpls tunnels. The techniques outlined in RFC 4379 (LSP-Ping) fail to perform correct traceroute validation and path discovery for a LSP that goes over other mpls tunnels or over stitched LSPs. The draft describes new procedures that can be used in conjunction with the standard procedures described in RFC 4379 to trace such LSPs. It would be great if the WG could go over the draft and provide comments on the same. Thanks Nitin _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 09 18:59:31 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I82CG-0007T5-9g; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:59:12 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I82CE-0007T0-FQ for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:59:10 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I82CE-0007Ss-5Z for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:59:10 -0400 Received: from smtpb.juniper.net ([207.17.137.119]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I82C9-00013H-NL for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:59:10 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO beta.jnpr.net) ([172.24.18.109]) by smtpb.juniper.net with ESMTP; 09 Jul 2007 15:59:05 -0700 Received: from emailcorp1.jnpr.net ([66.129.254.11]) by beta.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:59:04 -0700 Received: from emailcorp3.jnpr.net ([66.129.254.13]) by emailcorp1.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:58:18 -0700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] New draft for performing lsp-traceroute fortunneled/stitched LSPs. Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:58:17 -0700 Message-ID: <7FA0C743C38E5340BFC2873488FA1E8E1F075B@emailcorp3.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <053201c7c273$d8bbc380$0200a8c0@your029b8cecfe> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] New draft for performing lsp-traceroute fortunneled/stitched LSPs. Thread-Index: AcfCdB505AQBd/ezQOKDTY90by3zlwABeYEA From: "Nitin Bahadur" To: "Adrian Farrel" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 22:58:18.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3E203A0:01C7C27C] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org * RFC 3609 stipulates requirements for tracing generic tunnels. The draft provides detailed procedures for performing the tracing. * The draft is centered on MPLS tunnels and tracing of MPLS FECs, as compared to a generic IP-IP, GRE tunnel tracing mechanism. * A generic IP traceroute does not perform MPLS FEC validation. The draft enables FEC validation (similar to that specified in RFC 4379). * RFC 3609 talks about security/access/privileges w.r.t. tracing tunnels. The draft allows for mechanisms to respond to traceroute requests without divulging tunnel details. Vendors can also make the tunnel look like a single-hop (via configuration or other means) and thus prevent tracing inside of the tunnel. * Mechanisms to test the forwarding and control-plane operation and report faults, as part of the traceroute, are supported by the draft. * The draft currently *does not* support other tunneling technologies (besides MPLS). * The draft *does* support nested tunnels. * The various protocol requirements specified in the RFC are supported by the draft. The draft does not explicitly state (which it should) that a path should exist from a transit node to the ingress node, in order for the reply to reach the ingress successfully. Thanks Nitin > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 2:52 PM > To: Nitin Bahadur; mpls@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [mpls] New draft for performing lsp-traceroute > fortunneled/stitched LSPs. >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Could you briefly compare and contrast with RFC 3609? >=20 > Thanks, > Adrian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nitin Bahadur" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:08 PM > Subject: [mpls] New draft for performing lsp-traceroute > fortunneled/stitched > LSPs. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > A new draft has been submitted... >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mpls/draft-nitinb-lsp-ping-over-mpls-tunnel-00. > txt >=20 > The draft describes methods for performing lsp-ping traceroute over mpls > tunnels. The techniques outlined in RFC 4379 (LSP-Ping) fail to perform > correct traceroute validation and path discovery for a LSP that goes > over other mpls tunnels or over stitched LSPs. The draft describes new > procedures that can be used in conjunction with the standard procedures > described in RFC 4379 to trace such LSPs. >=20 > It would be great if the WG could go over the draft and provide comments > on the same. >=20 > Thanks > Nitin >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From qjqxb@breathe.com Tue Jul 10 03:45:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8APF-0001H7-OG for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:45:09 -0400 Received: from cust-89-152.telecall.ru ([217.25.152.89]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8APA-0002it-LH for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:45:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 15873 invoked from 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http://www.periast.net/?qyjrhfkjha ------------CD39B09B252C6731-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Jul 10 10:53:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8H55-0007EI-QB; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:52:47 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I8H53-0007EC-1B for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:52:45 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8H52-0007E4-NJ for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:52:44 -0400 Received: from [80.86.78.228] (helo=smtp.testbed.se) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8H52-00077e-Cz for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:52:44 -0400 Received: from gw.imc.kth.se ([193.10.152.67] helo=[172.16.2.49]) by fw.testbed.se with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1I8H4L-0000Z3-G2; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:52:02 +0200 Message-ID: <46939D0C.6010203@pi.se> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:51:56 +0200 From: Loa Andersson Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org, George Swallow X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Cc: Subject: [mpls] tenttive wg agenda for the Chicago meeting X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org All, we've uploaded the first preliminary version of the MPLS agenda for the Chicago meeing. Could plese: - if you requested a slot on the check that it is included - if you not requested a slot but intend to do so send a mail to the wg co-chairs - find other mistakes, misspellings and nits and please tell Loa directly (it is my bad spelling ;) ). The agenda will be found at: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/agenda/mpls.txt or http://www1.tools.ietf.org/wg/mpls/agenda (the latter link is "better" since all drafts and RFCs are linked directly from that page, but there is also some delay in updating the page) See you all in Chicago :) Loa and George -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Jul 10 11:11:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8HMx-0005T2-DO; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:11:15 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I8HMu-0005ST-Sc for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:11:12 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8HMu-0005Rw-IV for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:11:12 -0400 Received: from mail.turinnetworks.com ([63.197.247.126] helo=milan.turin.turinnetworks.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8HMu-0007aN-8p for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:11:12 -0400 Received: from tnpetmail1.turin.turinnetworks.com ([10.1.1.58]) by milan.turin.turinnetworks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:10:17 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] tenttive wg agenda for the Chicago meeting Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:10:16 -0700 Message-ID: <381DCCFA122A3E41AD664D4AB384362679BE91@tnpetmail1.turin.turinnetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <46939D0C.6010203@pi.se> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] tenttive wg agenda for the Chicago meeting Thread-Index: AcfDAgQQ3gC1WHo/RVWNPjVsUSh/CQAAa9OA From: "Greg Mirsky" To: "Loa Andersson" , , "George Swallow" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2007 15:10:17.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CCA6F00:01C7C304] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Dear Loa and George, should draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-02 be removed from Recently Expired list if updated version would be presented by authors as item 8 draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-03? Besides, it expired prior to meeting on Prague. Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.se]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:52 AM To: mpls@ietf.org; George Swallow Subject: [mpls] tenttive wg agenda for the Chicago meeting All, we've uploaded the first preliminary version of the MPLS agenda for the Chicago meeing. Could plese: - if you requested a slot on the check that it is included - if you not requested a slot but intend to do so send a mail to the wg co-chairs - find other mistakes, misspellings and nits and please tell Loa directly (it is my bad spelling ;) ). 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From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jul 11 07:11:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8a5v-0003oi-3X; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:10:55 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I8a5t-0003lV-O8 for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:10:53 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8a5t-0003lN-BL for mpls@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:10:53 -0400 Received: from [80.86.78.228] (helo=smtp.testbed.se) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8a5t-0005Dm-06 for mpls@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:10:53 -0400 Received: from gw.imc.kth.se ([193.10.152.67] helo=[172.16.2.49]) by fw.testbed.se with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1I8a5W-0008Uh-1m; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:10:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4694BAA1.6060408@pi.se> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:10:25 +0200 From: Loa Andersson Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Mirsky Subject: Re: [mpls] tenttive wg agenda for the Chicago meeting References: <381DCCFA122A3E41AD664D4AB384362679BE91@tnpetmail1.turin.turinnetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <381DCCFA122A3E41AD664D4AB384362679BE91@tnpetmail1.turin.turinnetworks.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Greg, my assumption here is that the authors has sent in the -03 draft, but that it not yet come through the because of the flood hitting the Internet Drafts prior to a meeting. I'll wait till I've seen the message that the last draft has been published and will then update the agenda accordingly. /Loa Greg Mirsky wrote: > Dear Loa and George, > should draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-02 be removed from Recently Expired list > if updated version would be presented by authors as item 8 > draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-03? Besides, it expired prior to meeting on > Prague. > > Regards, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.se] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:52 AM > To: mpls@ietf.org; George Swallow > Subject: [mpls] tenttive wg agenda for the Chicago meeting > > > All, > > we've uploaded the first preliminary version of the MPLS agenda > for the Chicago meeing. Could plese: > > - if you requested a slot on the check that it is included > - if you not requested a slot but intend to do so send a > mail to the wg co-chairs > - find other mistakes, misspellings and nits and please tell > Loa directly (it is my bad spelling ;) ). > > The agenda will be found at: > > http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/agenda/mpls.txt > or > http://www1.tools.ietf.org/wg/mpls/agenda > > (the latter link is "better" since all drafts and RFCs are > linked directly from that page, but there is also some delay > in updating the page) > > See you all in Chicago :) > > Loa and George > > -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Jul 11 07:16:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8aBL-0001Gl-LZ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:16:31 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I8aBJ-0001Gf-KQ for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:16:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8aBJ-0001GW-AS for mpls@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:16:29 -0400 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I8aBE-0004hI-AE for mpls@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:16:28 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l6BBGKV12664; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:16:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.255.126] (ams-stealth-iwijnand-6.cisco.com [10.61.255.126]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l6BBGJQ12638; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:16:19 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <4694BAA1.6060408@pi.se> References: <381DCCFA122A3E41AD664D4AB384362679BE91@tnpetmail1.turin.turinnetworks.com> <4694BAA1.6060408@pi.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6d74b413cced1552acefdbbbb9f5ae2c@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IJsbrand Wijnands Subject: Re: [mpls] tenttive wg agenda for the Chicago meeting Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:16:18 +0200 To: Loa Andersson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Loa, > my assumption here is that the authors has sent > in the -03 draft, but that it not yet come through the because Yes, we submitted -03 draft just before the deadline. Thx, Ice. > of the flood hitting the Internet Drafts prior to a meeting. > > I'll wait till I've seen the message that the last draft has been > published and will then update the agenda accordingly. > > /Loa > > Greg Mirsky wrote: >> Dear Loa and George, >> should draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-02 be removed from Recently Expired >> list >> if updated version would be presented by authors as item 8 >> draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-03? Besides, it expired prior to meeting on >> Prague. >> >> Regards, >> Greg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.se] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:52 AM >> To: mpls@ietf.org; George Swallow >> Subject: [mpls] tenttive wg agenda for the Chicago meeting >> >> >> All, >> >> we've uploaded the first preliminary version of the MPLS agenda >> for the Chicago meeing. 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This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF. Title : Label Distribution Protocol Extensions for Point-to-Multipoint and Multipoint-to-Multipoint Label Switched Paths Author(s) : I. Minei, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-03.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2007-7-12 This document describes extensions to the Label Distribution Protocol (LDP) for the setup of point to multi-point (P2MP) and multipoint-to- multipoint (MP2MP) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) in Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) networks. The solution relies on LDP without requiring a multicast routing protocol in the network. Protocol elements and procedures for this solution are described for building such LSPs in a receiver-initiated manner. There can be various applications for P2MP/MP2MP LSPs, for example IP multicast or support for multicast in BGP/MPLS L3VPNs. Specification of how such applications can use a LDP signaled P2MP/MP2MP LSP is outside the scope of this document. 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This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF. Title : P2MP MPLS-TE Fast Reroute with P2MP Bypass Tunnels Author(s) : J. Le Roux, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-01.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2007-7-12 This document defines procedures for fast reroute protection of Point-To-MultiPoint (P2MP) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE-LSP) in MultiProtocol Label Switching (MPLS) networks, based upon Point-To-MultiPoint Bypass Tunnels. The motivation for using P2MP Bypass Tunnels is to avoid potentially expensive data duplication along the backup path that could occur if Point-To-Point Bypass Tunnels were used, i.e., to optimize the bandwidth usage, during fast reroute protection of a link or a node. During link or node failure the traffic carried onto a protected P2MP TE-LSP is tunnelled within one or several P2MP Bypass Tunnels towards a set of Merge Points. 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From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Jul 12 23:50:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I9CAI-0000ra-MP; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:49:58 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I9CAH-0000rU-88 for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:49:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I9CAG-0000rM-SW for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:49:56 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I9CAC-0007ih-Ch for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:49:56 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=KTNADcfYcIvCvFbvhpWW/56RbgSm3WEupaeeXqjtElL7Le4O0zSECm7Fv98G40OJ; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.166.238.148] (helo=JoanPC) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I9CA7-0000uW-Ua; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:49:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c7c500$db202fa0$6701a8c0@JoanPC> From: "Joan Cucchiara" To: "Adrian Farrel" , , References: <013a01c77866$a71ad7a0$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <001501c7808b$a9f2f570$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <03f301c7c0d2$b0d06120$0200a8c0@your029b8cecfe> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:49:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 4d68bbe9cb71969ea344cf2d1a8e60840a9da525759e26546dc7044856a5e7748b2007ac8f7e789ba8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.166.238.148 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3971661e40967acfc35f708dd5f33760 Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Re: Early MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Joan Cucchiara" ; ; Cc: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" ; "Loa Andersson" ; Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Early MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-03.txt > Thanks Joan, > > A new revision to address most of your points has just been submitted. > > But a couple of items are discussed below. > > You asked: > >>> *) Are there any objects which apply only to GMPLS? > > There is no difference (at this time) between P2MP MPLS-TE and P2MP > GMPLS. All objects can be applied to GMPLS. Could this be stated in the document? > >>> **) 6.1. Example Use of the LSR MIB Module >>> >>> Even if the LSR MIB is able to be used to configure P2MP, >>> SHOULD it be used? >>> What is the benefit of doing so? >>> Are networks really doing this? >>> >>> My concern is that it is far easier to document one way of configuring a >>> feature and supporting this way through the standards process than to >>> put forth a secondary way to configure. So unless there is truly a >>> compelling reason, why do this? >>> >>> If you want to proceed with the LSR MIB being used for p2mp, >>> then you need to show an example of how to configure this. Order >>> of the configuration seems critical, and that needs to be explained. > > You'll notice that RFC3813 allows write access to the LSR MIB. > So, clearly it was deemed acceptable to manually set up forwarding state > (or cross-connections). And we must recall that (much as I love the > control plane) the control plane is not the only way to operate a network. > Consider, for example, the majority of transport networks. > > Now, you'll also note that RFC3813 allows a "cross-connect" to have > multiple in and out segments. > > So I don't think there is anything else to say. > Okay, I see your point. If order of configuration is important then please include an example of the p2mp using the LSR MIB. >>> *) mplsTeP2mpTunnelNotificationEnable OBJECT-TYPE >>> >>> Can RFC3413 be used instead? > > Do you feel strongly about this? > We could use it, but: > - we should probably follow the same structure as RFC3812 > - I don't like forcing the support of another MIB module for this > one bit (literally) of information. Okay...being consistent with RFC3812 is reasonable. > >>> * Why is RFC4461 in the informative section? Would think this should >>> be in the Normative. > > The downref rules are a pain :-) and it is easier to avoid them than deal > with them. > Could you move the reference to Normative and worry about the downref rules when the document goes to IETF Editor? Perhaps, the downref rules will work themselves out. >> Section "4.2 Use of MPLS-TE-STD-MIB". >> >> There was concern that using the same Objects with updates from >> MPLS-TE-STD-MIB would result in a backwards compatibility >> issue. (If the situation came about that there were devices that >> supported >> the original version of the MPLS-TE-STD-MIB and a newer version, then >> the interpretation of these objects might be confused. >> The suggestion was to create new objects in this MIB. >> Also, it would be necessary to include in the conformance section >> of the MIB what objects from MPLS-TE-STD-MIB need to >> be supported. > > I don't see any backward compatibility issues. > Legacy implementations do not support the P2MP MIB module, so do not have > a problem. Legacy NMSs would have an issue. > The functional change is to interpret certain objects in MPLS-TE-STD-MIB > differently if (and only if) there is a corresponding row entry in > mplsTeP2mpTunnelTable. > A legacy NMS would have no knowledge of this and thus, interpret values based on the original meaning of the object. > If we created new objects in MPLS-TE-P2MP-STD-MIB (which we could) then we > would still need to change the interpretation of the objects in > MPLS-TE-STD-MIB because they would cease to be meaningful. Having decided > that we had to change the interpretation, we decided that we would not > also need new objects. > > What do you think? > I think if you consider a legacy NMS scenario, then the potential exists for backwards compatibility problems. More importantly, if the objects in MPLS-TE-STD-MIB change meaning (i.e. a semantic change to the object) when using MPLS-TE-P2MP-STD-MIB, then RFC3812 (MPLS-TE-STD-MIB) should be updated to reflect the semantic changes. (For example, maybe deprecating the objects that change semantically and adding new objects to the MPLS-TE-STD-MIB module....) RFC1902 (section 10.2) describes what changes can take place to objects that do not semantically change the meaning of the object. I am happy to consult with the other MIB Doctors on this, in the event that they see something I don't, but it certainly seems that you are saying, that MPLS-TE-STD-MIB has some objects which will change semantically. Is there anyway that you could add new objects to MPLS-TE-P2MP-STD-MIB and not make semantic changes to MPLS-TE-STD-MIB? > Once again, many thanks. Thanks also! This early MIB review has generated some good discussions. 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If we had used a fixed-step instead of a variable-step solver, the simulation would have had to continue beyond this point. This capability enables the program to set the internal representation of the current position to a known value without waiting for the next sample period. Additionally, the software engineer's desktop machine is a fast environment for completing the iterative process of defining a test, running it, and reviewing the results. 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+0100 Received: from your029b8cecfe (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by mta2.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6FCnFtr022915; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:49:16 +0100 Message-ID: <014401c7c6de$8ce25130$0200a8c0@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Zafar Ali" , Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:46:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-s2l-name-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, I don't see why you have defined a Flags field in this object when you have not isolated any requirements for the flags. If you want the object to be truly extensible, as you suggest, then you should use TLVs. Without that, you are not future-proof. Your draft should address scalability concerns for the signaling protocol when per-leaf text strings (each of which can be up to 255 bytes long : plus one byte of padding). I remain completely unconvinced by the requirements expressed in your draft. Are you trying to identify control plane state or data plane state? Surely the P2MP LSP is identified by name, and the branch is identified by name and the set of leaves reached through that branch. Maybe you need to give an example of usage by a management application. 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(HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2007 18:19:02 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,543,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="39543297:sNHT7993146" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:18:45 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001801c7c500$db202fa0$6701a8c0@JoanPC> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Early MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-03.txt Thread-Index: AcfFAPLm/MCbbuJKSCeLj3fJl9NYJgC9fNWw References: <013a01c77866$a71ad7a0$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <001501c7808b$a9f2f570$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <03f301c7c0d2$b0d06120$0200a8c0@your029b8cecfe> <001801c7c500$db202fa0$6701a8c0@JoanPC> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Joan Cucchiara" , "Adrian Farrel" , , X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] RE: Early MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joan Cucchiara [mailto:jcucchiara@mindspring.com]=20 >=20 > > > >>> * Why is RFC4461 in the informative section? Would think this=20 > >>> should be in the Normative. > > > > The downref rules are a pain :-) and it is easier to avoid=20 > them than=20 > > deal with them. > > >=20 > Could you move the reference to Normative and worry about the=20 > downref rules > when the document goes to IETF Editor? Perhaps, the downref=20 > rules will > work themselves out. >=20 The proper thing to do in my opinion is to mention the down-ref in the IETF Last Call, as per RFC 3967. 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All objects can be applied to GMPLS. > > Could this be stated in the document? OK >>>> **) 6.1. Example Use of the LSR MIB Module [SNIP] >> So I don't think there is anything else to say. > > Okay, I see your point. If order of configuration is important then > please include an example of the p2mp using the LSR MIB. Well, that really is what section 6.1 does. >>>> * Why is RFC4461 in the informative section? Would think this should >>>> be in the Normative. >> >> The downref rules are a pain :-) and it is easier to avoid them than deal >> with them. > > Could you move the reference to Normative and worry about the downref > rules > when the document goes to IETF Editor? Perhaps, the downref rules will > work themselves out. Well, OK. But it will all end in tears. >>> Section "4.2 Use of MPLS-TE-STD-MIB". >>> >>> There was concern that using the same Objects with updates from >>> MPLS-TE-STD-MIB would result in a backwards compatibility >>> issue. (If the situation came about that there were devices that >>> supported >>> the original version of the MPLS-TE-STD-MIB and a newer version, then >>> the interpretation of these objects might be confused. >>> The suggestion was to create new objects in this MIB. >>> Also, it would be necessary to include in the conformance section >>> of the MIB what objects from MPLS-TE-STD-MIB need to >>> be supported. >> >> I don't see any backward compatibility issues. >> Legacy implementations do not support the P2MP MIB module, so do not have >> a problem. > > Legacy NMSs would have an issue. > >> The functional change is to interpret certain objects in MPLS-TE-STD-MIB >> differently if (and only if) there is a corresponding row entry in >> mplsTeP2mpTunnelTable. >> > > A legacy NMS would have no knowledge of this and thus, interpret values > based on the original meaning of the object. > >> If we created new objects in MPLS-TE-P2MP-STD-MIB (which we could) then >> we would still need to change the interpretation of the objects in >> MPLS-TE-STD-MIB because they would cease to be meaningful. Having decided >> that we had to change the interpretation, we decided that we would not >> also need new objects. >> >> What do you think? > > I think if you consider a legacy NMS scenario, then the potential exists > for > backwards compatibility problems. More importantly, if the objects in > MPLS-TE-STD-MIB change meaning (i.e. a semantic change to the > object) when using MPLS-TE-P2MP-STD-MIB, then > RFC3812 (MPLS-TE-STD-MIB) should be updated to reflect the semantic > changes. (For example, maybe deprecating the objects that change > semantically and adding new objects to the MPLS-TE-STD-MIB > module....) > > RFC1902 (section 10.2) describes what changes can take place to objects > that > do not semantically change the meaning of the object. > > I am happy to consult with the other MIB Doctors on this, in the event > that they see something I don't, but it certainly seems that you are > saying, that MPLS-TE-STD-MIB has some objects which will change > semantically. Is there anyway that you could add new objects to > MPLS-TE-P2MP-STD-MIB and not make semantic changes to > MPLS-TE-STD-MIB? I understand the intent of your issue, but not the practical impact. You are worried about what would happen if a legacy management station attempted to read the details of a P2MP TE tunnel by looking at its entry in MPLS-TE-STD-MIB. You are concerned that it would become confused, report incorrect information, or otherwise have problems. So we must first agree that there is no practical way that the legacy management station can create the P2MP TE tunnel. That means that all we actually have to do is protect the management station against reading the objects of MPLS-TE-STD-MIB that have changed semantics. The two issues are: 1. Read/display will be broken or confused 2. Attempt may be made to manage the P2MP tunnel as if it was a P2P tunnel Let us look at the objects with changed semantic one by one referring to section 4.2 of the I-D. mplsTunnelMaxHops If examined by or set a legacy system, this object will be correctly interpreted. mplsTunnelEgressLSRId If a P2MP tunnel is examined by a legacy system, this object will be correctly interpreted in that the value will reflect the content of the signaling field. A legacy system that was used to modify this object for a P2MP tunnel would be successful and would not damage the operation of the P2MP tunnel. mplsTunnelHopTableIndex If a P2MP tunnel is examined by a legacy system, this object will report zero giving the impression that no tunnel hops have been configured. If this object is set for a P2MP tunnel by a legacy system, the SET will be successful, but the value (i.e. the object) will be ignored by the management agent. mplsTunnelPathInUse If a P2MP tunnel is examined by a legacy system, this object will report zero giving the impression that no path is in use or available. If this object is set for a P2MP tunnel by a legacy system, the SET will be successful, but the value (i.e. the object) will be ignored by the management agent. mplsTunnelARHopTableIndex If a P2MP tunnel is examined by a legacy system, this object will report zero giving the impression that no tunnel hops have been reported by the signaling protocol. This is a valid scenario. This object is read-only and cannot be set. mplsTunnelCHopTableIndex If a P2MP tunnel is examined by a legacy system, this object will report zero giving the impression that no tunnel hops have been computed. This is a valid scenario. This object is read-only and cannot be set. Would it help to include this sort of text in the I-D, or do you believe we cannot make these semantic changes? Thanks, Adrian _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Jul 17 12:36:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IAq2O-0004Rp-D4; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:36:36 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IAq2N-0004N3-3d for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:36:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IAq2M-0004Mu-Gy; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:36:34 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IAq2L-0006QD-3t; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:36:34 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Jul 2007 18:36:33 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAAuNnEaQ/uCLh2dsb2JhbACPRAEBCQon X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,546,1175464800"; d="scan'208"; a="148280352:sNHT29653552" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6HGaWVd031629; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:36:32 +0200 Received: from stewart-bryants-computer.local (ams3-vpn-dhcp22.cisco.com [10.61.64.22]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6HGaVkt023230; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:36:31 GMT Message-ID: <469CF012.60905@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:36:34 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pwe3 , mpls@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3868; t=1184690192; x=1185554192; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=stbryant@cisco.com; z=From:=20Stewart=20Bryant=20 |Subject:=20ITU-T=20SG=2015=20liaison=20-=20G.8110.1=20amendment=201=20(h ttps=3A//datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/344/) |Sender:=20; bh=Ow2v0VANxewjiLkw22BNCsNmwQ2RPT9BshipUKWvqQk=; b=PKnorFEbhoFELniSrGSxLETL25JHN4uGLGcFFj3czD1CDYuHCSn3qBIWIpTtINhZGbJPkKvM 0Z6O7ZghuQMw5P02QOad+X+CVNmqdZI26aDqpjIshsFCPBFOJhqazONF; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=stbryant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc Cc: Subject: [mpls] ITU-T SG 15 liaison - G.8110.1 amendment 1 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/344/) X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org I have been looking at the ITU liaison addressed to PWE3 and MPLS WGs June 2007 ITU-T SG 15 IETF PWE3 and MPLS WGs G.8110.1 amendment 1 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/344/) and would appreciate input to a suitable response. This liaison will be a topic on the PWE3 agenda. I have removed the elements of the response where SG15 has agree with our comments and edited their text accordingly. The following points remain: Section 3.5 Transport MPLS definition "Should be amended to make it clear TMPLS is a true subset of IETF PWE3 over MPLS and that in the case of any differences, the IETF definition is considered the Normative definition." SG15 Response: "G.8110.1 describes the behaviour of a T-MPLS network. Following a discussion of your liaison statement it was agreed to clarify that T-MPLS uses a subset of the MPLS forwarding plane behaviour. For OAM only label 14 is used and hence only “ITU” mechanisms are supported. It is also assumed that MPLS and T-MPLS are deployed as disjoint networks. An LSP initiated from an IP/MPLS network element is encapsulated in Ethernet before it transits a T-MPLS network. Similarly if IP/MPLS is used as a server layer for T-MPLS then an LSP initiated from a T-MPLS network element is encapsulated in Ethernet before it transits an IP/MPLS network. This enforces the independence of the control planes for T-MPLS and IP/MPLS. Further as is customary with ITU-T Recommendations, equipment designed before the approval of the Recommendations is not expected to meet all the requirements of the new Recommendation." SB - I have two concerns regarding this: 1) The statement "assumed that MPLS and T-MPLS are deployed as disjoint networks" MUST be backed up by some technical means to ensure that MPLS and T-MPLS remain disjoint, otherwise the assumption does not hold and someone will attempt interworking. Indeed a contribution at the ITU meeting that prepared this response proposed exactly that. 2) "as is customary with ITU-T Recommendations, equipment designed before the approval of the Recommendations is not expected to meet all the requirements of the new Recommendation." I think that we need to note that we are not concerned about existing MPLS equipment being compliant with T-MPLS, but rather we are concerned that T-MPLS or any future enhancement to T-MPLS should not cause a conflict with the installed base of existing MPLS equipment, or any future IETF development of MPLS, or that it should inhibit some future development of MPLS. Section 4.7.2 and A.3 "The PWE3 WG is concerned that the OAM is not based on VCCV. Any true subset of the IETF PWE3/MPLS design should allow the use of the IETF preferred OAM mechanism. This does not preclude the ITU specifying an additional mechanism as an optional extension to enhance VCCV, although it would be preferable for the ITU to work with the IETF to enhance VCCV to provide the additional OAM mechanisms that are needed." "At a previous meeting SG 15 decided to base T-MPLS OAM on Y.1711 and requested Q5/13 to enhance the OAM mechanisms based on Y.1711. Based on this request Q5/13 developed Y.1373/G.8114, the amendment to G.8110.1 adds a reference to Y.1373/G.8114. As described above, we expect T-MPLS and MPLS to be deployed as disjoint networks and as is customary with ITU-T Recommendations, equipment designed before the approval of the Recommendations is not expected to meet all the requirements of the new Recommendation. We do not anticipate any compatibility issues." SB - Again, given the existence of a simple solution to ensure that no compatibility issue can exist (discriminating codepoint, I do not believe such anticipation is good enough. What is the view of other members of the IETF? - Stewart _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Jul 17 13:42:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IAr3P-00044Z-9M; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:41:43 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IAr3L-0003hp-7Z for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:41:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IAr3K-0003f2-Pa; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:41:38 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IAr3G-0008UC-KN; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:41:38 -0400 Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Jul 2007 19:41:31 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAAucnEaQ/uCKh2dsb2JhbACPRAEBCQon X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,546,1175464800"; d="scan'208"; a="148284733:sNHT168728632" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6HHfU8h025333; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:41:30 +0200 Received: from stewart-bryants-computer.local (ams3-vpn-dhcp22.cisco.com [10.61.64.22]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6HHbakt012466; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:37:36 GMT Message-ID: <469CFE62.6030202@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:37:38 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pwe3 , mpls@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3710; t=1184694090; x=1185558090; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=stbryant@cisco.com; z=From:=20Stewart=20Bryant=20 |Subject:=20Response=20to=20PWE3=20and=20MPLS=20WG=20concerns=20with=20G. 8110.1=20Amendment=201 |Sender:=20; bh=OFYKglMwUOmYvUBTVLs+8iJwC8t7JkuiuXyX1vmUeeI=; b=geD1DtaMMMNtWKLQAVoO7I9RCKpEDy+tw3sW+Sqf8lMxt3GN7K9joB+D30ztKJpbkzt3JkD3 deGXX8syFCVYUrrZxRKUday+SJIuvIa2ZvU+BQlwBi3587mLaJGBXx2h; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=stbryant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Cc: Subject: [mpls] Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org I have been looking at the ITU liaison addressed to PWE3 and MPLS WGs June 2007 ITU-T SG 15 IETF PWE3 and MPLS WGs Response to PWE3 and MPLS WG concerns with G.8110.1 Amendment 1 and would appreciate input to a suitable response. This liaison will be a topic on the PWE3 agenda. https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/345/ ITU SG15 say: "It appears that the work in the IETF is addressing some different requirements: “Input from network operators indicates that the key requirements is the transparent carriage of the MPLS network of one party over the MPLS network of another party, with the constraint that the MPLS design MUST NOT be changed and that the solution MUST be compatible with their existing large base of already deployed MPLS networks.” SB - Network operators subscribing to these lists are encouraged to indicate whether or not they agree with these two assumptions. ITU SG 15 say: "Some members of SG 15 expressed support for these requirements. However, the basis for the work in SG 15 has been the development of a packet switched network that meets all of the network operators transport operations requirements. " SB - Would be interested in other peoples views on the second sentence - is it consistent or contradictory to the proposed constraint that the investment in the existing MPLS design and deployment be preserved? ITU SG 15 say: "The assumption we have made is that when deploying T-MPLS for this purpose it will be deployed on a network that is disjoint from any already deployed IP/MPLS network." SB - As I said in my earlier email, I am concerned about this assumption, particularly as I saw a contribution that discussed interworking of MPLS and T-MPLS. If the assumption is a design invariant it should be designed into the protocol to ensure that it cannot be violated. ITU SG15 say: "Equipment developed prior to the approval of the T-MPLS Recommendations is not expected to comply with these Recommendations." SB - Again as I stated earlier, I think that we need to note that we are not concerned about existing MPLS equipment being compliant with T-MPLS, but rather we are concerned that T-MPLS or any future enhancement to T-MPLS should not cause a conflict with the installed base of existing MPLS equipment, or any future IETF development of MPLS, or that it should inhibit some future development of MPLS. ITU SG 15 Say: "Our intention in developing the suite of T-MPLS Recommendations is to define a packet based transport network technology. The design objectives of T-MPLS are: a) Follow the principles of the transport network used in other ITU-T defined transport technologies (e.g SDH, ATM, OTN). b) To use the PDU and forwarding plane processes defined by the IETF for MPLS. After the presentation of the Liaison Statement the following was noted: • T-MPLS OAM mechanisms have been developed by ITU-T G.8114/Y.1373 to provide transport-like fault and performance monitoring capabilities including alarm suppression, packet loss measurements and support of multiple ownerships • T-MPLS protection mechanisms have been developed by ITU-T G.8131 to provide transport-like protection schemes including trail and sub-network protection • The separation between the data plane and the control plane is a major requirement in transport networks" SB - I would be interested in the views of the operator community on how significant the differences between the TMPLS approach and the IETF approach is in these three aspects and whether they justify a whole new protocol suit? What is the view of other members of the IETF? - Stewart _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From Skrivanekfpag@abakus24.de Tue Jul 17 18:24:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IAvTQ-0004on-Ai for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:24:52 -0400 Received: from [200.12.48.118] (helo=franklin.com.gt) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IAvTO-0001O8-NO for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:24:52 -0400 Received: from CAJA ([193.171.37.21]) by franklin.com.gt with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:25:10 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:24:48 -0600 To: mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org From: "Horace Skrivanek" Subject: She was a brave warrior. 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The RELEASE Bit is used to signal that the Drive has released the ATA
Bus. For you, here, it could mean death.
You should be, too. I got so excited as he talked about his work.
Then I came back, and it was absolutely obvious. She wants to use me,
too, somehow.
Private helper function that initializes the SSPI session and
package. Refresh SMAC to display true hardware burned-in MAC address
for the specified network adapter.
Do not try to deny it. In the distance, greater mountains yet soared
to dizzying heights, their peaks and much of their slopes stark white
against the gloom of heavy gray sky.
From the desktop, open the CD-ROM icon. The wind at fifty miles per
hour does not ruffle his firmly gelled razor cut.
But the Amyrlin was the Amyrlin. She was careful to drink Polyjuice
Potion until the end.
Nearby, dense bushes loomed darkly, and dreary gnarled trees
occasionally broke the landscape. Either because it could never get
over the presence of the bog on which a popular bully had built it,
or for some other reason (nobody, according to Gogol, knows), St.
Unu estis ekskludita tuj --- teorie li havis alireblon, sed tiun
eblon, se eblas tiel diri, ne uzis --- laboris en alia loko. She was
calmly slipping down the rope from knot to knot and had already
reached the middle of it.
The bigger man lay facedown in the street, giving harsh feeble
coughs, not twenty paces from her. The object of the specified
associated with.
She was about the same age as Nynaeve, he thought, but she was no
village woman. The Unicode Character Database is a set of files that
define the Unicode character properties and internal mappings.
The Unicode Character Database is a set of files that define the
Unicode character properties and internal mappings. For your
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Nadeau" Subject: Re: [mpls] ITU-T SG 15 liaison - G.8110.1 amendment 1 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/344/) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:19:19 -0400 To: stbryant@cisco.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2007 13:19:23.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[42342F20:01C7C93E] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=4529; t=1184764764; x=1185628764; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=tnadeau@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Thomas=20D.=20Nadeau=22=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[mpls]=20ITU-T=20SG=2015=20liaison=20-=20G.8110.1=20a mendment=201=20(https=3A//datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/344/) |Sender:=20 |To:=20stbryant@cisco.com; bh=OkAeWRYQkYo/0LC4+uze7kOWmpQB8ACEA6ewqBAyZDY=; b=S2ncAsgc0Zie4qp8kqA1Ls90NMvEQ0p1Wl5kJsekUszDCuEvFP+PDrtV4D0Z910Yu3jYKLkR ur+mdxmkss+5F3emsT95qwmhEs7bHAJYnIhcg70Gf+1xsM5ANO+dY+to; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=tnadeau@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: b5d20af10c334b36874c0264b10f59f1 Cc: mpls@ietf.org, pwe3 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org On Jul 17, 2007:12:36 PM, at 12:36 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > I have been looking at the ITU liaison addressed to PWE3 and MPLS WGs > > June 2007 ITU-T SG 15 IETF PWE3 and MPLS WGs G.8110.1 amendment 1 =20 > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/344/) > > and would appreciate input to a suitable response. This liaison =20 > will be a topic on the PWE3 agenda. > > I have removed the elements of the response where SG15 has agree =20 > with our comments and edited their text accordingly. > > The following points remain: > > Section 3.5 Transport MPLS definition > "Should be amended to make it clear TMPLS is a true subset of IETF =20 > PWE3 over MPLS and that in the case of any differences, the IETF =20 > definition is considered the Normative definition." > > SG15 Response: > "G.8110.1 describes the behaviour of a T-MPLS network. Following a =20 > discussion of your liaison statement it was agreed to clarify that =20 > T-MPLS uses a subset of the MPLS forwarding plane behaviour. For =20 > OAM only label 14 is used and hence only =93ITU=94 mechanisms are =20 > supported. It is also assumed that MPLS and T-MPLS are deployed as =20 > disjoint networks. An LSP initiated from an IP/MPLS network element =20= > is encapsulated in Ethernet before it transits a T-MPLS network. =20 > Similarly if IP/MPLS is used as a server layer for T-MPLS then an =20 > LSP initiated from a T-MPLS network element is encapsulated in =20 > Ethernet before it transits an IP/MPLS network. This enforces the =20 > independence of the control planes for T-MPLS and IP/MPLS. Further =20 > as is customary with ITU-T Recommendations, equipment designed =20 > before the approval of the Recommendations is not expected to meet =20 > all the requirements of the new Recommendation." > > SB - I have two concerns regarding this: > > 1) The statement "assumed that MPLS and T-MPLS are deployed as =20 > disjoint networks" MUST be backed up by some technical means to =20 > ensure that MPLS and T-MPLS remain disjoint, otherwise the =20 > assumption does not hold and someone will attempt interworking. =20 > Indeed a contribution at the ITU meeting that prepared this =20 > response proposed exactly that. > > 2) "as is customary with ITU-T Recommendations, equipment designed =20 > before the approval of the Recommendations is not expected to meet =20 > all the requirements of the new Recommendation." > > I think that we need to note that we are not concerned about =20 > existing MPLS equipment being compliant with T-MPLS, but rather we =20 > are concerned that T-MPLS or any future enhancement to T-MPLS =20 > should not cause a conflict with the installed base of existing =20 > MPLS equipment, or any future IETF development of MPLS, or that it =20 > should inhibit some future development of MPLS. > > > Section 4.7.2 and A.3 > "The PWE3 WG is concerned that the OAM is not based on VCCV. Any =20 > true subset of the IETF PWE3/MPLS design should allow the use of =20 > the IETF preferred OAM mechanism. This does not preclude the ITU =20 > specifying an additional mechanism as an optional extension to =20 > enhance VCCV, although it would be preferable for the ITU to work =20 > with the IETF to enhance VCCV to provide the additional OAM =20 > mechanisms that are needed." > > "At a previous meeting SG 15 decided to base T-MPLS OAM on Y.1711 =20 > and requested Q5/13 to enhance the OAM mechanisms based on Y.1711. =20 > Based on this request Q5/13 developed Y.1373/G.8114, the amendment =20 > to G.8110.1 adds a reference to Y.1373/G.8114. As described above, =20 > we expect T-MPLS and MPLS to be deployed as disjoint networks and =20 > as is customary with ITU-T Recommendations, equipment designed =20 > before the approval of the Recommendations is not expected to meet =20 > all the requirements of the new Recommendation. We do not =20 > anticipate any compatibility issues." > > SB - Again, given the existence of a simple solution to ensure that =20= > no compatibility issue can exist (discriminating codepoint, I do =20 > not believe such anticipation is good enough. > > What is the view of other members of the IETF? =09 We should (again) return a statement to the above reply stating that OAM must be based on VCCV, or at least that is the preferred (default) OAM mechanism. This is only logical if we (IETF) insist as is asserted above, that PWE3's definition of PW/MPLS is the normative reference for TMPLS. --Tom _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From gywacademyatoakhurstfer@academyatoakhurst.com Wed Jul 18 16:56:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBGZE-0003Mj-02; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:56:17 -0400 Received: from [88.245.2.118] (helo=[88.245.2.118]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IBGZC-0007Og-Ra; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:56:15 -0400 Received: from [88.245.2.118] by smtp-in5.nuvox.net; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:54:12 -0200 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:54:12 -0200 From: "Major Jean" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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X-ELNK-Trace: 4d68bbe9cb71969ea344cf2d1a8e60840a9da525759e265457ee29259e387a27c38546066a75403f5d5f9c5c39d41a28350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.175.74 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d008c19e97860b8641c1851f84665a75 Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Re: Early MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Joan Cucchiara" ; ; Cc: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" ; "Loa Andersson" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Early MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-03.txt > Hi Joan, > > Converging... > >>>>> *) Are there any objects which apply only to GMPLS? >>> >>> There is no difference (at this time) between P2MP MPLS-TE and P2MP >>> GMPLS. All objects can be applied to GMPLS. >> >> Could this be stated in the document? > > OK > >>>>> **) 6.1. Example Use of the LSR MIB Module > [SNIP] >>> So I don't think there is anything else to say. >> >> Okay, I see your point. If order of configuration is important then >> please include an example of the p2mp using the LSR MIB. > > Well, that really is what section 6.1 does. > >>>>> * Why is RFC4461 in the informative section? Would think this should >>>>> be in the Normative. >>> >>> The downref rules are a pain :-) and it is easier to avoid them than >>> deal with them. >> >> Could you move the reference to Normative and worry about the downref >> rules >> when the document goes to IETF Editor? Perhaps, the downref rules will >> work themselves out. > > Well, OK. > > But it will all end in tears. > >>>> Section "4.2 Use of MPLS-TE-STD-MIB". >>>> >>>> There was concern that using the same Objects with updates from >>>> MPLS-TE-STD-MIB would result in a backwards compatibility >>>> issue. (If the situation came about that there were devices that >>>> supported >>>> the original version of the MPLS-TE-STD-MIB and a newer version, then >>>> the interpretation of these objects might be confused. >>>> The suggestion was to create new objects in this MIB. >>>> Also, it would be necessary to include in the conformance section >>>> of the MIB what objects from MPLS-TE-STD-MIB need to >>>> be supported. >>> >>> I don't see any backward compatibility issues. >>> Legacy implementations do not support the P2MP MIB module, so do not >>> have a problem. >> >> Legacy NMSs would have an issue. >> >>> The functional change is to interpret certain objects in MPLS-TE-STD-MIB >>> differently if (and only if) there is a corresponding row entry in >>> mplsTeP2mpTunnelTable. >>> >> >> A legacy NMS would have no knowledge of this and thus, interpret values >> based on the original meaning of the object. >> >>> If we created new objects in MPLS-TE-P2MP-STD-MIB (which we could) then >>> we would still need to change the interpretation of the objects in >>> MPLS-TE-STD-MIB because they would cease to be meaningful. Having >>> decided that we had to change the interpretation, we decided that we >>> would not also need new objects. >>> >>> What do you think? >> >> I think if you consider a legacy NMS scenario, then the potential exists >> for >> backwards compatibility problems. More importantly, if the objects in >> MPLS-TE-STD-MIB change meaning (i.e. a semantic change to the >> object) when using MPLS-TE-P2MP-STD-MIB, then >> RFC3812 (MPLS-TE-STD-MIB) should be updated to reflect the semantic >> changes. (For example, maybe deprecating the objects that change >> semantically and adding new objects to the MPLS-TE-STD-MIB >> module....) >> >> RFC1902 (section 10.2) describes what changes can take place to objects >> that >> do not semantically change the meaning of the object. >> >> I am happy to consult with the other MIB Doctors on this, in the event >> that they see something I don't, but it certainly seems that you are >> saying, that MPLS-TE-STD-MIB has some objects which will change >> semantically. Is there anyway that you could add new objects to >> MPLS-TE-P2MP-STD-MIB and not make semantic changes to >> MPLS-TE-STD-MIB? > > I understand the intent of your issue, but not the practical impact. > > You are worried about what would happen if a legacy management station > attempted to read the details of a P2MP TE tunnel by looking at its entry > in MPLS-TE-STD-MIB. You are concerned that it would become confused, > report incorrect information, or otherwise have problems. Also, need to consider scripts and tools which are based on the MPLS-TE-STD-MIB. > > So we must first agree that there is no practical way that the legacy > management station can create the P2MP TE tunnel. Regardless, if the routers are updated with software that supports both MIBs (and seems likely that vendors would support both MIBs for some time) and if someone wants the P2MP feature then P2MP can be configured by other means (not necessarily the NMS). > That means that all we actually have to do is protect the management > station against reading the objects of MPLS-TE-STD-MIB that have changed > semantics. The two issues are: > 1. Read/display will be broken or confused > 2. Attempt may be made to manage the P2MP tunnel as if it was a P2P tunnel > > Let us look at the objects with changed semantic one by one referring to > section 4.2 of the I-D. > > mplsTunnelMaxHops > If examined by or set a legacy system, this object will be correctly > interpreted. > > mplsTunnelEgressLSRId > If a P2MP tunnel is examined by a legacy system, this object will be > correctly interpreted in that the value will reflect the content of the > signaling field. > A legacy system that was used to modify this object for a P2MP > tunnel would be successful and would not damage the operation of > the P2MP tunnel. What you write above seems contractory to the description in the draft, specifically, "but for a P2MP tunnel, this object does not identify an address of the egress of the tunnel. Instead it contains the P2MP ID value that identifies the identifier of the set of destinations for the P2MP tunnel and is carried in the P2MP Session Object [RFC4875]. " The p2p value is found in the RSVP-TE session object, and the p2mp value is from a different session object, so I am under the impression that a read of this object for p2mp could be misleading/confusing. > mplsTunnelHopTableIndex > If a P2MP tunnel is examined by a legacy system, this object will > report zero giving the impression that no tunnel hops have been > configured. > If this object is set for a P2MP tunnel by a legacy system, the SET > will be successful, but the value (i.e. the object) will be ignored by > the management agent. > What is the "management agent"? Are you referring to the SNMP agent, or the SNMP manager? > mplsTunnelPathInUse > If a P2MP tunnel is examined by a legacy system, this object will > report zero giving the impression that no path is in use or available. > If this object is set for a P2MP tunnel by a legacy system, the SET > will be successful, but the value (i.e. the object) will be ignored by > the management agent. > same question about management agent. > mplsTunnelARHopTableIndex > If a P2MP tunnel is examined by a legacy system, this object will > report zero giving the impression that no tunnel hops have been > reported by the signaling protocol. This is a valid scenario. > This object is read-only and cannot be set. > > mplsTunnelCHopTableIndex > If a P2MP tunnel is examined by a legacy system, this object will > report zero giving the impression that no tunnel hops have been > computed. This is a valid scenario. > This object is read-only and cannot be set. > > > Would it help to include this sort of text in the I-D, or do you believe > we cannot make these semantic changes? > Few more questions (asked above) before I can answer. Thanks, Joan > Thanks, > Adrian > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 23 08:28:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwzG-0003mE-HX; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:26:06 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwzF-0003kX-9o for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:26:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwzF-0003kO-09 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:26:05 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICwzE-0004Ze-IN for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:26:04 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2007 08:26:04 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAHI7pEZAZnmf/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,570,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="126743560:sNHT29494458" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6NCQ4D4026247; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:26:04 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6NCPiWQ022275; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:26:04 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-203.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.20]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:25:57 -0400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:25:56 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <014401c7c6de$8ce25130$0200a8c0@your029b8cecfe> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-s2l-name-01.txt Thread-Index: AcfG3pO/swldNEn9S0qAunnqal9mqgGPMczg References: <014401c7c6de$8ce25130$0200a8c0@your029b8cecfe> From: "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" To: "Adrian Farrel" , "Robert Sawaya \(rsawaya\)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2007 12:25:57.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EF806C0:01C7CD24] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2515; t=1185193564; x=1186057564; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=zali@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Zafar=20Ali=20\(zali\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-s2l-name-01.txt |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Adrian=20Farrel=22=20, =0A=20=20=20=20=20=2 0=20=20=22Robert=20Sawaya=20\(rsawaya\)=22=20; bh=ztrUMU59j8veWC1TaqkRK6naBloplw9WrrDVd8jLkcQ=; b=u/L/8AhPabh912XXmqV+wVE/CS/QEKYJ1MmjSWeXsJisBHcyhWPmLNS0eDE70sg/GS4sLowy cFYGi5KGvljVGMGFjMcNiJNYP9a/lm47lFuuJ8oBAqppZLT+PUUsRtJQ; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=zali@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: b4a0a5f5992e2a4954405484e7717d8c Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] RE: draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-s2l-name-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Adrian-=20 Please see reply in-line; sorry for the delay in replying. =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]=20 > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 8:46 AM > To: Zafar Ali (zali); Robert Sawaya (rsawaya) > Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org > Subject: draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-s2l-name-01.txt >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I don't see why you have defined a Flags field in this object=20 > when you have not isolated any requirements for the flags. >=20 > If you want the object to be truly extensible, as you=20 > suggest, then you should use TLVs. Without that, you are not=20 > future-proof. >=20 This is an excellent comment. In the next version, we will define S2L attribute using TLVs (rfc4420-style encoding).=20 > Your draft should address scalability concerns for the=20 > signaling protocol when per-leaf text strings (each of which=20 > can be up to 255 bytes long : plus one byte of padding). >=20 While talking about P2MP scalability, we can divide scalability concerns in following two buckets. =20 1. Scalability aspects that are common for P2P and P2MP, e.g., # of control plane states an LSR can have, etc. In this case, signaling session names for 500 P2P LSPs is no different than signaling session names for 500 S2Ls for a given P2MP LSP. =20 2. Scalability aspects that are specific to P2MP, e.g., when a Path message is used to signal one or more S2L sub-LSPs. Yes, I agree that adding session name as a S2L attribute will increase the size of (such) Path message. However, RFC 4875 supports fragmentation of Path state information and an Ingress LSR can follow it (to ensure a Path message remains within a single IP packet). =20 > I remain completely unconvinced by the requirements expressed=20 > in your draft.=20 > Are you trying to identify control plane state or data plane=20 > state?=20 Control Plane.=20 > Surely the P2MP LSP is identified by name, and the=20 > branch is identified by name and the set of leaves reached=20 > through that branch. Maybe you need to give an example of=20 > usage by a management application. With 500-to-1000 S2Ls for a given LSP are displayed or needs to be filtered at an LSR console, working with destination IP address is not user friendly. The same will apply to any management station when same/ similar data is transported to it. The reasons for S2L name is similar to reasons for defining Session name for LSP.=20 >=20 > Cheers, > Adrian=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 23 14:25:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2ao-0001o8-QD; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:25:14 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2an-0001nw-HV for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:25:13 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2an-0001no-7p for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:25:13 -0400 Received: from mta2.iomartmail.com ([62.128.193.152]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2al-0006M0-Bf for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:25:13 -0400 Received: from mta2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta2.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6NIPAIG028712 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:25:10 +0100 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([130.129.83.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by mta2.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6NIP6T4028516 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:25:10 +0100 Message-ID: <144c01c7cd56$cc1b9630$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:24:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Subject: [mpls] Proposed reforming of LSP Ping TLV processing X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, I should have introduced this sooner... George and I have thrown together a draft that we have been talking about for some time. "Future-Proof TLV Codepoint Space for LSP Ping" (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-farrel-mpls-lsp-ping-tlvs-00.txt) is intended to allow LSP Ping extensions to be backward compatible by defining processing rules for TLVs based on the ranges from which the Type value is allocated. Or, phrased a different way, to set aside two bits from the TLV Type to define the processing rules. This first version of the draft is pretty rough, but we hope that the ideas will carry forward and gain working group consensus. If so, the main impact would be to update the IANA registry. New LSP Ping TLVs (and sub-TLVs) would then have to indicate the processing rules when the TLV is not understood. If you have any questions then please send mail, or corner me or George during the week. Thanks, Adrian _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 23 14:38:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2nf-0002pS-BY; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:38:31 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2ne-0002pN-5C for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:38:30 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2nd-0002pF-Rk for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:38:29 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ID2nc-0006ev-SX for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:38:29 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2007 11:38:28 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAN6SpEarR7PD/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,571,1175497200"; d="scan'208"; a="187063219:sNHT53993943" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6NIcS3q020045; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:38:28 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6NIcOAG001294; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:38:25 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:38:18 -0700 Received: from [130.129.18.234] ([10.21.69.156]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:38:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: <144c01c7cd56$cc1b9630$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> References: <144c01c7cd56$cc1b9630$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" Subject: Re: [mpls] Proposed reforming of LSP Ping TLV processing Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:38:15 -0500 To: Adrian Farrel X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2007 18:38:18.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[A32426A0:01C7CD58] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1269; t=1185215908; x=1186079908; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=tnadeau@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Thomas=20D.=20Nadeau=22=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[mpls]=20Proposed=20reforming=20of=20LSP=20Ping=20TLV =20processing |Sender:=20; bh=c8UNbX51yFKZ8d9vmV4zVAHbdo2lAZ5PyFBMYdvYXjg=; b=HMTEDlrykpyMBe5ZCVuHT25YeT72B/jlHUZ4OIjITQHVCnp9CQbAjm8i/g0ceXlwlvN8hhM6 RAjW6UuxaHk7ZXueznAYw1htchdXbHjKHYI/wtf5i9yhJiGcux/hsaLo; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=tnadeau@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org It looks like your Security Considerations section is a little light. *) --Tom > Hi, > > I should have introduced this sooner... > > George and I have thrown together a draft that we have been talking > about for some time. "Future-Proof TLV Codepoint Space for LSP > Ping" (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-farrel-mpls-lsp- > ping-tlvs-00.txt) is intended to allow LSP Ping extensions to be > backward compatible by defining processing rules for TLVs based on > the ranges from which the Type value is allocated. Or, phrased a > different way, to set aside two bits from the TLV Type to define > the processing rules. > > This first version of the draft is pretty rough, but we hope that > the ideas will carry forward and gain working group consensus. If > so, the main impact would be to update the IANA registry. New LSP > Ping TLVs (and sub-TLVs) would then have to indicate the processing > rules when the TLV is not understood. > > If you have any questions then please send mail, or corner me or > George during the week. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Jul 24 10:48:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLga-0007xy-Vo; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:48:28 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLgY-0007xC-6s for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:48:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLgX-0007x3-TD for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:48:25 -0400 Received: from smtpb.juniper.net ([207.17.137.119]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLgX-0000SO-EH for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:48:25 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO gamma.jnpr.net) ([172.24.245.25]) by smtpb.juniper.net with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2007 07:48:25 -0700 Received: from emailcorp1.jnpr.net ([66.129.254.11]) by gamma.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:48:24 -0700 Received: from emailcorp3.jnpr.net ([66.129.254.13]) by emailcorp1.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:47:56 -0700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] Proposed reforming of LSP Ping TLV processing Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:47:56 -0700 Message-ID: <7FA0C743C38E5340BFC2873488FA1E8E3C498C@emailcorp3.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <144c01c7cd56$cc1b9630$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] Proposed reforming of LSP Ping TLV processing Thread-Index: AcfNVuaBJBm3CydxRLC7Db4gyxT1hwAqH20Q From: "Nitin Bahadur" To: "Adrian Farrel" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2007 14:47:56.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F85BE60:01C7CE01] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Adrian, I am not 100% convinced on the need for TLV type "Ignore the entire message if TLV is unrecognized". I presume the intent was that we want the *newer* nodes to process the msg as per the new TLV specifics and want others to ignore the msg.=20 Let's say if we have a new tlv and we make it's tlv type as "mandatory". In such a case, an *old* LSR would reply back with TLV unsupported (2). This helps the sender of the echo request to know that some downstream does not support a specific TLV (details of unsupported tlv are captured in "error tlv" in echo-response).=20 The advantage of this is that we now know that that the downstream node is "alive", rather than assuming that the packet got dropped or downstream is in error (useful in debugging). It is up to the sender on how to react to "tlv unsupported" error. Sender does not necessarily have to treat this as an error and can resend the msg without some of the *newer* TLVs or ignore such downstreams. With regards to=20 "Support for the TLV is mandatory at an egress LSR, but is optional at a transit LSR";=20 I am thinking *aloud* if we need a reverse type also (aka support is mandatory on transit and optional on egress). It would just make things more symmetrical. Maybe you can come up with a convincing case in the P2MP trace case. Thanks Nitin > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 1:25 PM > To: mpls@lists.ietf.org > Subject: [mpls] Proposed reforming of LSP Ping TLV processing >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I should have introduced this sooner... >=20 > George and I have thrown together a draft that we have been talking about > for some time. "Future-Proof TLV Codepoint Space for LSP Ping" > (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-farrel-mpls-lsp-ping-tlvs- > 00.txt) > is intended to allow LSP Ping extensions to be backward compatible by > defining processing rules for TLVs based on the ranges from which the Type > value is allocated. Or, phrased a different way, to set aside two bits > from > the TLV Type to define the processing rules. >=20 > This first version of the draft is pretty rough, but we hope that the > ideas > will carry forward and gain working group consensus. If so, the main > impact > would be to update the IANA registry. 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Loa and Geroge -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sat Jul 28 04:55:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEi44-000400-TW; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:54:20 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IEi43-0003zu-Ft for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:54:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEi43-0003zm-6L for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:54:19 -0400 Received: from smtp3.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.138]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IEi41-0007SS-NQ for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:54:19 -0400 Received: from E03MVB2-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.107]) by smtp3.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:54:16 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] Proposed reforming of LSP Ping TLV processing Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:54:02 +0100 Message-ID: <2ECAA42C79676B42AEBAC11229CA7D0CCC54F4@E03MVB2-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] Proposed reforming of LSP Ping TLV processing Thread-Index: AcfNWLEQg8rT4ljNR7KuKGqAFL7nTgDmMM5A From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2007 08:54:16.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0D065A0:01C7D0F4] X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Adrian/guys, Just an observation of what the real architectural problem is here (though I hasten to add we can do nothing about this now...too late): When one designs a layer network (any mode/technology) one MUST ensure that the characteristic information (CI - which is a term from func arch that has a very specific meaning, but I can't really get into detail of what this means here) that is created/removed at trail/flow termination points is ALWAYS consistent (and a key corollary of this is that the CI MUST be client independent). One rather important observation here is that the OAM of a layer network is injected/extracted at trail/flow termination points and thus forms an intrinsic part of the CI of a layer network. MPLS does not have consistent CI for a whole raft of reasons, eg the label field can take on different semantics depending on what protocol/use-case generated it....I can list at least 4 different semantics here. What this means practically is that under misconnectivity defects the true intended meaning of a functional field in a traffic unit can be misunderstood by whichever node terminates the offending misconnected traffic units.....which also includes the OAM pkts. So yes, Tom is right to point out that there are potential security implications here.....but just be aware that this is a symptom/consequence of not having consistent CI in the 1st place, and its a bigger problem than just the one being discussed. Don't want start a debate on this as there is nothing much we can do about it...because as I already noted it's too late.....but I did want to point out what the underlying architectural issue is here. regards, Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas D. Nadeau [mailto:tnadeau@cisco.com]=20 > Sent: 23 July 2007 19:38 > To: Adrian Farrel > Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [mpls] Proposed reforming of LSP Ping TLV processing >=20 >=20 >=20 > It looks like your Security Considerations section is > a little light. *) >=20 > --Tom >=20 > > Hi, > > > > I should have introduced this sooner... > > > > George and I have thrown together a draft that we have been talking > > about for some time. 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Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:50:35 +0100 Message-ID: <00ab01c7d1ce$4a3abca0$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: <46AA5ED7.9070702@pi.se> Subject: Re: [mpls] request for new mplsworking group drafts Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:50:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org > First: > "Security Framework for MPLS and GMPLS Networks" > *draft-fang-mpls-gmpls-security-framework-01.txt* Strong yes. > Second: > "Non PHP Behavior and out-of-band mapping for RSVP-TE LSPs" > *draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-no-php-oob-mapping-01.txt* Yes, but the draft is still a bit flaky. > Third: > "LDP IGP Synchronization" > *draft-jork-ldp-igp-sync-03.txt* Abstain Adrian _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sun Jul 29 06:51:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IF6MK-0007UI-3w; 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Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:50:41 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IF6MB-0007Tr-Ek for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:50:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IF6MB-0007Tj-58 for mpls@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:50:39 -0400 Received: from mta3.iomartmail.com ([62.128.193.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IF6M9-0005iE-Hq for mpls@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:50:39 -0400 Received: from mta3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta3.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6TAoZt5009760 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:50:36 +0100 Received: from your029b8cecfe (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by mta3.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6TAoXjd009660 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:50:35 +0100 Message-ID: <00ab01c7d1ce$4a3abca0$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: <46AA5ED7.9070702@pi.se> Subject: Re: [mpls] request for new mplsworking group drafts Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:50:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org > First: > "Security Framework for MPLS and GMPLS Networks" > *draft-fang-mpls-gmpls-security-framework-01.txt* Strong yes. > Second: > "Non PHP Behavior and out-of-band mapping for RSVP-TE LSPs" > *draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-no-php-oob-mapping-01.txt* Yes, but the draft is still a bit flaky. > Third: > "LDP IGP Synchronization" > *draft-jork-ldp-igp-sync-03.txt* Abstain Adrian _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sun Jul 29 06:51:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IF6MK-0007UI-3w; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:50:48 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IF6MH-0007UC-UQ for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:50:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IF6MH-0007U4-Ko for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:50:45 -0400 Received: from mta3.iomartmail.com ([62.128.193.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IF6MH-0005iI-1z for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:50:45 -0400 Received: from mta3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta3.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6TAoZJY009739; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:50:35 +0100 Received: from your029b8cecfe (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by mta3.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6TAoXjc009660; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:50:35 +0100 Message-ID: <00aa01c7d1ce$4a0d6b10$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:48:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: Zafar Ali Subject: [mpls] draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-no-php-oob-mapping-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, I have added the two LSP_ATTRIBUTES bit reservations to the temporary registry at www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm I think that your mechanism for signaling these requirements is fine, but you have a problem with egress nodes that do not recognise the bits or the whole object. While you can check for the Null label in the PHP case if label recording is in use, this is by no means fool-proof. You have no mechanism to check for the OOB case. Can I suggest that you use the LSP Attributes subobject in the RRO to provide the information you require. The absence of this object, or the presence with the bit clear, will indicate that the egress has not complied with the request. Thanks, Adrian _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6TAoXjc009660; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:50:35 +0100 Message-ID: <00aa01c7d1ce$4a0d6b10$0300a8c0@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:48:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: Zafar Ali Subject: [mpls] draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-no-php-oob-mapping-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, I have added the two LSP_ATTRIBUTES bit reservations to the temporary registry at www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm I think that your mechanism for signaling these requirements is fine, but you have a problem with egress nodes that do not recognise the bits or the whole object. While you can check for the Null label in the PHP case if label recording is in use, this is by no means fool-proof. You have no mechanism to check for the OOB case. Can I suggest that you use the LSP Attributes subobject in the RRO to provide the information you require. The absence of this object, or the presence with the bit clear, will indicate that the egress has not complied with the request. Thanks, Adrian _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 30 04:07:31 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFQHG-00059I-C2; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:06:54 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IFQHE-00059A-Dl for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:06:52 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFQHA-00058z-T6 for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:06:48 -0400 Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFQHA-0002g8-Am for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:06:48 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:06:42 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] request for new mplsworking group drafts Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:06:41 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46AA5ED7.9070702@pi.se> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] request for new mplsworking group drafts Thread-Index: AcfQkl/06ZWfYORfRIKH+e58dBWsowBmy21A References: <46AA5ED7.9070702@pi.se> From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" To: "Loa Andersson" , , "George Swallow" , "Ross Callon" , "David Ward" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2007 08:06:42.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[908CC560:01C7D280] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Loa, all I support these three drafts as WG docs. Regards, JL=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.se]=20 > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 27 juillet 2007 23:09 > =C0 : mpls@ietf.org; George Swallow; Ross Callon; David Ward > Objet : [mpls] request for new mplsworking group drafts >=20 > Working group, >=20 > coming out of the Chicago meeting we have requests from the=20 > authors of three documents that their IDs are made working=20 > group drafts. >=20 > First: > "Security Framework for MPLS and GMPLS Networks" > *draft-fang-mpls-gmpls-security-framework-01.txt* >=20 > this draft had a very good support at the working group=20 > meeting, booth in terms of the number of people who had read=20 > it and the number that thought it is ready to become a=20 > working group draft. >=20 > Second: > "Non PHP Behavior and out-of-band mapping for RSVP-TE LSPs" > *draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-no-php-oob-mapping-01.txt* >=20 > this draft had slightly less support, but there were a clear interest. >=20 > Third: > "LDP IGP Synchronization" > *draft-jork-ldp-igp-sync-03.txt* >=20 > this draft was not discussed at the meeting in Chicago, but=20 > has been discussed at earlier meetings and updated after that. >=20 > Since it is summer and we are going into vacation times we'll=20 > allow for input on this until August 22. Please send your=20 > ffeedback to the working group mailing list. >=20 > Loa and Geroge >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Loa Andersson >=20 > Principal Networking Architect > Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 > Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 > Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se > loa@pi.se >=20 > This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway.=20 > http://www.astaro.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 30 07:39:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTaB-0005Bq-1q; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:38:39 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTa9-0005Bf-96 for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:38:37 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTa8-0005BV-T8 for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:38:36 -0400 Received: from [80.86.78.228] (helo=fw.testbed.se) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFTa5-0002D9-7K for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:38:36 -0400 Received: from MailerDaemon by fw.testbed.se with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IFTa3-00080n-Vq for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:38:31 +0200 Received: from gw.imc.kth.se ([193.10.152.67]:3232 helo=[172.16.2.48]) by fw.testbed.se with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IFTZv-00080P-9M; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:38:23 +0200 Message-ID: <46ADCDA8.8050007@pi.se> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:38:16 +0200 From: Loa Andersson Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Windows/20070716) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org, George Swallow X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040401000008080902090607" X-cff-SpamScore: 0(/) X-cff-SpamReport: ----- ----- 1.5 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) [SPF failed: Please see http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=loa%40pi.se&ip=193.10.152.67&receiver=fw.testbed.se] -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-cff-LastScanner: footer X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: be1e5ad20f6e15b349a42c2dfbdd71ac Cc: Subject: [mpls] preliminary notes form the mpls wg meeting in Chicago X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040401000008080902090607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Working Group, Giles took excellent notes from the MPLS working group meeting in Chicago, thanks Giles! There are a few edits and clarifications need, e.g. there are some names missing and some comments that weren't captured. If you know you said something at the mike can you review the notes and send clarifying comments to me. If I have these comments timely I'll try to send the notes in later this week. /Loa -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com --------------040401000008080902090607 Content-Type: text/plain; name="mpls-ietf69.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="mpls-ietf69.txt" MPLS WG minutes - IETF 69, Chicago, July 23rd 2007 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- wG Status (Loa) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) 4 RFCs since last IETF + one on MPLS/GMPLS change process (RFC4929 - as BCP129). Will be liased to other orgs. 2) ICMP draft in AUTH48. 3) 3 drafts in rfc-ed Q - Ina to respond to RRFC editor for LDP spec. (3036bis-04). Need security section for LDP experience and survey drafts. 4) 1 draft in IESG review 5) Many WG drafts - 2 on agenda. LDP typed wildcard gone through last call. Issue of refs to old LDP spec not new. LDP capabilities - authors want WG last call. 6) 2 expired drafts (Loa's fault for letting them expire) 7) 1 doc accepted as WG but not yet issued (decraene-mpls-ldp-interarea). Liason (Loa) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- incoming liason from ITU-T SG15 on G8110.1. Will discuss in PWE3, not here. Please read and take part in discussion (this is T-MPLS/MPLS relationship) upcoming liason on T-MPLS codepoints. T-MPLS background (Stewart Bryant) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- T-MPLS from SG15 Q12. Series of G8.1xx recommendations. Liased to IETF post consent. Basically Ethernet PWE over MPLS over Ethernet. OAM is extended from Y.1711. Currently statically configured by a central NMS. Looking at a control plane. Using a formal language (proprietary to SG15) to describe how MPLS PWEs work. ITU-T SG15 say MPLS/T-MPLS are disjoint layers - goal is to use existing kit to carry T-MPLS using MPLS codepoint. So no need for new codepoint as no intention of interop between higher layer MPLS and lower layer T-MPLS. But at last ITU-T meet there was a specific contribution on interop. Liason statements sent expressing our concern. IETF concerns are that T-MPLS or its extensions may break MPLS or a future extension of MPLS. Key issue is shared codepoints with different specs - may well collide. experience tells us that scoping rules never stay fixed and limits always grow. may have massive interop issues down the road. plans to implement other sorts of PWE that duplicate IETF work (so not just Ethernet over MPLS, but many other types too). will be more discussion in PWE3 this afternoon (most liason to/from there). So come to PWE3! Loa - I stepped down as IETF liasion to ITU for MPLS issues, Stewart now doing it. Ross - would like to thank Stewart for being willing to take it on. Ross - meeting on Saturday between senior ITU reps, IAB, IESG plus some extras (e.g. the IETF to ITU liasons). Various issues discussed - including T-MPLS. Subsequent to the meet IESG met on Sunday morning. Major chunk of discussion was on T-MPLS. This morning the IAB and IESG discussed T-MPLS, MPLs and GMPLS over an early breakfast. First time I've seen the IAB and IESG in complete agreement on anything! Quite definitely this issue has helped to foster co-operation inside IETF. Planning to write a document explaining our understanding of the ITU requirements, of MPLS, T-MPLS, and of how they may interoperate or clash. One part will be our concern about T-MPLS using the same data plane and control plane codepoints as MPLS and GMPLS. Document will come forward as an Internet draft intended to be RFC. But to get to RFC needs to be discussed in IETF so will take a while to produce. in the meantime intent is to send liason to ITU-T expressing our concern about T-MPLS using the same codepoint. We know WGs have already done so, but this will be from the IAB and IESG and their chairs (IESG chair is IETF chair). So will request that they use different codepoints. Plan is to get it out this week. But do we have time to get IETF to look at text this week? Generally takes longer to do that (last call typically takes 2 weeks or longer). Large chunk of discussion was about mechanics of who can do the doc this week. Intent is to send out quickly and to do work on a more detailed document (in a spirit of co-operation) that will put down our concerns about having two set of protocol work using the same codepoints, and likelihood of collision based on future work or config errors. George - what level of the ITU is this being sent to? Ross - since is coming from top leadership of IETF think should go to top leadership of ITU. Would make sense to send to SG15 and all layers of leadership above that. Yaakov - need to send to SG13 as well as SG15 as they're working on it too. Mark Townsley - needs to go above as had WG to WG liason already. George - I wrote last liason and got smiles but not much action, so agreed we need to go to top leve.. Ross - I don't know where/when next ITU-T meet is, but if I can go am happy to go and to tell them of our level of concern from IAB/IESG. Would like to know of IETF has the same level of concern (in general). Italo Bussi - next ITU-T meeting is 10-14 Sept in Stuttgart. Interim meet. Yaakov - that's interim meet, not leadership meet, so not right place to go. Loa - we'll figure that out... P2MP bypass tunnels for P2MP LSPs (JL) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Issues using P2P bypasses to protect P2MP LSPs (inefficient replication). So need to do P2MP bypass to fix that. So get scalability of label stacking whilst avoiding inefficient replication. So during failure tunnel using 1 or more P2MP bypass tunnel towards set of merge points. Inner label is backup LSP label. outer is bypass label. To avoid replication the PLR needs to assign the inner label to all MPs using upstream assignment. changes: 1) adopted as WG doc in May 2) clarified no PHP behaviour. Can't do PHP as need context identification at MP. Can send the no-PHP using Zafar's draft. 3) Reversion must entirely rely on FRR RFC (1490). So two modes - global and local. 4) added section on PLR location. May be local to failure or somewhere remote that is 2 or more hops upstream. 5) added section on using a mix of P2P and P2MP bypass LSPs for backwards compatibility. 6) clarified link protection procedures. 7) clarified bypass tunnel selection options 8) added section on partial protection. 9) general rewording etc. for clarity. focus on 5-8. 1) P2P/P2MP mix. P2P use RFC4875 procedures, P2MP use this doc. No need for upstream label in P2P case. So backwards compatible with LSRs that can't support upstream assign. 2) P2MP selection options. can have exact match to set of MPs. Superset (in which case leaves which are not MPs will drop traffic), or multiple tunnels. different tradeoffs in terms of control plane/data plane optimisation. So choices there and in terms of operational complexity. 3) link protection. In RFC4875 rely on P2P bypass tunnel. In some cases it may traverse another downstream link of the P2MP LSP. optional procedure uses P2MP bypass for link protection (originally was designed for node protection). So may use P2MP bypass that protects all MPs downsteam of PLR (even if not downstream of protected link). So if there's a failure will stop sending on protected LSP and will just sent on bypass LSP. 4) partial protection. new feature in this rev - so need WG feedback. What happens if can't find a P2MP bypass that covers all MPs. This may happen - e.g. if there are bandwidth limitations. In this case when FRR is activated some leaves won't receive traffic. Default procedure would be that LSP is either fully protected or not protected (by FRR). But now have option to have partial protection. So can signal that if can't get full protection we're willing to accept partial protection. Need feedback. To conclude: 1) need to align this draft with the upstream assignment architecture draft. PLR should assign upstream labels from a single label space. 2) need WG feedback 3) will submit new rev before Vancouver. Zafar - why can't you consider P2MP as a special case of P2P. JL - can't do that in case where one MP isn't upstream capable. So can't consider the pair of bypass LSPs as one. George - one's doing PHP with no context label, and the other is doing no-PHP and using context. Zafar - this non-upstream capable attribute? JL - there's an RSVP-TE attribute and it's described in the upstream label draft. Dimitri - what you're doing in the link failure case means you're disrupting traffic for a branch that shouldn't be affected. Is it a requirement not to interrupt branches that should not be affected by such failures JL - to mitigate your comment will only lose or mis-sequence one or two packets as you update your FIB. Dimitri - we need to be aware of tradeoffs we have (and document them). JL - we'll do that in next rev. P2MP LDP (Ice) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- covering chnages in this draft: 1) Root-Node Redundancy. Similar to MP2MP case. Multiple LSPs to the different roots. Only one root can forward packets. root selection is out of scope. 2) added capabilities for MP2MP and Make before Break. 3) MP status TLV. Signals extra info related to MP LSP. May be in label mapping or notification. The TLV is opaque to LDP so only LDP MP needs to look at it. Used for MBB, but can use for other stuff in the future. 4) upstream label allocation for MP2MP LSPs. Uses MPLS upstream draft for context label (for Ethernet interface) and LDP upstream procedures to advertise the label. presented diagram of upstream label allocation. Packets use 2 labels - context label and LSP label. downstream routers look at context and then LSP label in 2nd lookup. as defined in 2 drafts mentioned already. No difference between P2P LSP and P2MP LSP in this case. Upstream traffic diagram - router will create label state for context and for LSP. So don't see difference in packets going upstream, or going downstream. So no extra labels needed to forward packets upstream. so downstream traffic is same as for P2MP LSP. downstream uses context and upstream's LSP label to send traffic upstream. MBB - more detailed in this draft. noted use of MP notification - used to signal that the LSP has been established. Loa - seems we're getting various drafts using the upstream procedures. Are there any mutual dependences? Ice - MP2MP procedures are in the LDP draft. but should be in one of the upstream label allocation drafts. Rahul - The first problem is with the upstream architecture draft. this little piece on MP2MP LSPs on a LAN needs to be defined as to where it resides. But if upstream progresses then next step is the LDP upstream draft. Then this draft can use that. Architecture draft must go first. Ice - should we add this to LDP P2MP draft? Rahul - I've got no problem if you want that. but need to discuss. Yakov just reminded me that we need to progress the encapsulation draft. Loa - you're co-author on both. What's the status? Rahul - arch draft needs one rev before last call. Loa - how far out is architecture draft's next rev. Rahul - before next IETF. Loa - this is critical as we're getting drafts stuck which can't progress as waiting for other drafts. Rahul - encaps draft is pretty mature. Rahul - got one Q on LAN slides. If there are multiple routers on LAN and they pick different upstreams to get to the root then what happens? (downstreams will get packets from unexpected upstreams) Ice - downstreams will only install context for the intended upstreams. So even if the "wrong" Upstream sends packets the downstream will drop them. Rahul - good clarification to add (not that I've read the draft). Bob - does LDP upstream assignment draft depend on LDP capabilities? Rahul - have upstream label assignment arch. MPLS multicast encaps. Need to progress at same time. Then have LDP upstream assignment draft. Think can progress only with the LDP capabilities. MPLS/GMPLS security framework (Luyann) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- status update. draft will stay in MPLS WG but be presented at MPLS and CCAMP. Not yet extended to other WGs. Draft been updated before this IETF. Looking for WG status this time... so why doing this now? Issue is that security ADs and reviewers have been raising comments on drafts. so aim is to have one doc to amerliorate need for detailed security section in individual drafts. So then other drafts can reference this and build on it. various comments on 00 draft. Some from Rich (Graveman), Sam, Adrian etc. Important work so encouraged to be WG. Still need input as to whether scope is correct. Aim is not to say e.g. that protocol A is better than protocol B - but to document the nature of different protocols. lots of stuff on DoS in doc. you can't prevent, but can do your best. So issues of e.g. line-rate filtering and access restrictions. encryption statement. comment is that not so true now, so modified it. But may not need encryption but just integrity checks (much less expensive). Big issue on key management. Was missing in the 00 draft. So doc needs to spend more time on key management - or you can't do integrity checks. more comments - e.g. on OSPF and ISIS. We're in the trusted zone here, but issue of how you prove it, what you're allowed to do if inside/outside, what you can assume that everyone does inside the zone (e.g. do all members do same per-interface security?) also minor structure changes. good guidelines on DoS attacks. need to decide if scope is right, and also what depth we cover here vs individual drafts. May also be that individual protocols (e.g. RSVP-TE) need to address their own specific security considerations... Dimitri - did you identify key security issues that exist in operating MPLS networks. So then you can pick those issues and then go into the details. Otherwise you end up with very broad scope. Luyann - good comment. JL did lab tests - e.g. what happens if don't have good security and unauthorised signalling comes in. Router CPU gets hammered. So these are practical considerations. Dimitri - would be interesting to see what has highest priority to user community at large. Luyann - do we need examples from e.g. L1, PCE, etc. Loa - who has read? Who thinks is WG-ready? Seems to be the same hands, but will ask the list to confirm... LSP trace over MPLS tunnels (Nitin Bahadur) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- recently submitted. simple example of LDP/RSVP. May or may not wish to allow tracing of RSVP-TE LSP from the LDP layer. So you may see LDP path, or full path including RSVP hops. In former case may be unable to see why the LDP trace has failed if the inner LSP is broken. Also may have issues e.g. where RSVP-TE LSP is up but LDP LSP is not taking the right path (control plane/forwarding plane mismatch). Current problem is that the RSVP-TE only hops don't know anything about the LDP FEC - so you'll get an error (even if the whole path is up). George - there is info there, and it is workable with the existing draft. Your draft also adds some new functionality, but need to agree if it is needed. Nitin - as George mentioned there may be ways to skip control plane validations, as you know the ILM. But RSVP-TE only node will only look at outer label. So can't do control plane validation. George - that statement is correct. Nitin - we're solving that by having full control plane validation... But don't want to make it a requirement that the intermediate routers expose all info (so want to allow hiding). how does it work? ingress LDP/RSVP edge can tell upstream that it has a FEC stack. So ingress can then use that FEC stack when sending to RSVP-TE only nodes. So those nodes see the correct FEC and can do full control plane validations. Egress LDP/RSVP edge will tell ingress that it is the egress for the RSVP-TE stack. So now can just do LDP trace to downstream nodes beyond the tunnel. so basically getting intermediate routers to provide info to the ingress on the start of new tunnels (but can choose to hide that). Much better than having no validation. Most logic is at the ingress application to do the trace. TLV changes proposed (building on LSP ping). New TLV is added (Downstream FEC stack). Used to associate to a DSMAP. can we have feedback, and is this worth being WG doc? Tom Nadeau - have you thought of solving this using remote ping/trace? Nitin - yes. could do that if you encounter a problem? Tom - if you implemented code to understand responses correctly then you could understand if there was a problem and then choose to do remote trace. Nitin - but you wouldn't have the correct FEC stack from the intermediate router so can't catch that. Kireeti - this is a specific problem that this technique solves, but also solves more general problems (e.g. end to end LSP that is stitched together, e.g. RSVP-TE to eBGP to LDP from inter-AS VPN). So yes, you can solve some problems using remote ping/trace, but not all problems. Nice thing here is that the FEC stack is doing what the LSP is doing (pushing/popping labels etc.) Ina - this is an enhancement for trace. trace is diagnostic tool. So we want maximum clarity. if we ignore e.g. an error in RSVP-TE LSP that defeats the purpose of being diagnostic tool Vach - another case is bypass tunnels. Why not solve that also here? So extend what you have to cover the case where the PLR knows it will use a bypass. We do what George is saying, but can we extend this approach to cover bypass tunnels. George - I believe this approach would if I understand it correctly. Kireeti - yes it would (in the control plane) but the problem is the data plane will go on main path unless the bypass kicks in. George - this is data trace, not control plane, so don't see use for that. Adrian - rather concerned at empty security section. Confidentiality matters. Need the ability to hide tunnel info from nodes outside the tunnel. Nitin - can use nil FEC entry to hide things. Adrian - so say so in the security section. George - nil FEC is equivalent to correctly implementing the existing draft. Loa - who's read it? Many hands. Who thinks is ready? not as many (cisco hands rather missing). who thinks not ready? similar number (cisco). Nitin - will take this offline. Loa - I won't ask the list, but will wait for a new revision with input from George, Adrian etc. Aggregated IP FEC (George) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- covers similar ground to Bruno's draft. he's not here (new twins in France!) so aim is better scaling in terms of IGP and LDP state. today you need /32 FECs for all L3 VPN PEs when using LDP for tunnel labels. So the way people do that today is not to summarise those /32 prefixes at area boundaries. so lots of routes and labels. We're victims of our own success as MPLS networks grow. so is good news!!! new FEC type. Semantics are the same as today, but indicates that next label is an unaggregated label for a /32. issue is that you don't necessarily know which ABR will get a packet, so need each ABR to know what that label means. de-agg label based on masking the high-order bits and adding 16. so will work with a /13 or longer prefix. Algorithm ensures that all ABRs have the same deaggregation... rules are that anyone summarising is allowed to send out the FEC. Label must be non-null (as can't do PHP for context labels). Must be downstream assigned and ordered. LDP labels for specific routes from area that you're the border of. Context label points to the de-aggregated FECs (or to a standard /32 FEC). could also do resummarisation. but would have to translate each label individually. would encourage you all not to pursue that! explanation of how it works. example showing VPN labels. more examples. drawbacks - need 2 labels at ABR (so on some platforms may be slower). Also loses next-hop tracking (but hoping to do that by next IETF in Vancouver) Bruno's draft doesn't need 2 labels at ABR. Also in Bruno's draft you get to see the label withdraw so can use that to e.g. change the next hop. reduces label distribution and preserves LFIB space (unlike Bruno's draft). Also keeps LDP and IGP co-ordinated (again unlike Bruno's draft). Not aimed at stopping Bruno's draft. Ina - this draft causes permanent VPN blackhole if there's a failure to that PE. Seems also that it won't work for v6. So maybe you want to look at that. George - Q is will algorithm work for v6? Ina - true nobody is deploying v6 router IDs yet, but why restrict it? George - Q is whether I'd need to change algorithm for v6? e.g. toggle bits in other parts of address range. Ina - also draft doesn't show what you'd do with more specifics. e.g. what happens if you punch holes for some /32s. George - not highlighted. no need as will always pick most specific address. Kireeti - I have a comment/question. Is this first step in accepting label blocks as a valid technique? George - difference is these labels don't come from global space. JL - actually the hierarchy idea is quite interesting. reduces FIB space. But may have side effects, e.g. lose fast failure recovery approaches etc. So may be optimising CP at cost of losing LDP FRR mechanisms. so need to mention that. George - have thought about that. right now LDP FRR isn't that mature so is a bit of a moving target. key is that if you had to change ABR the context labels wouldn't change. JL - but would have to merge in another ABR? George - change strategy so instead of going through next ABR would just go to it and rely on the ABR knowing the context label... JL - another point. if I have a network with a /13 or longer prefix I don't need LDP any more. George - I've not proposed that. Scaling in MPLS-TE networks (Adrian) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- not saying MPLS-TE is broken, but looking forward to see where the barriers are. issue is PE-PE mesh. So it's the old N-squared problem. protocol overhead of maintaining state etc. first bit us in looking at LSR management. Too many entries in the MIB for the NMS to retrieve. solutions: 1) hierarchical LSPs 2) something else? presented in Dallas (March 06). Various updates including adding Femi (Glasgow Uni) as author. approach is to look at "simple" but large topologies (snowflake and ladder) to see problem (benefit is simple to model). snowflake is meshed core with edge tree. ladder network is unmeshed core with edge tree. so looked at flat networks, FAs (hierarchy), MP2P LSPs. so metrics etc. - # of PEs, # of LSPs per LSR, amount of LSP state per LSR, P/PE ratio (cost effectiveness) conclusions: 1) hierarchical LSPs don't scale as well as you'd expect. Issue is you need multiple layers of hierarchy to get good benefit. Also have major management overhead. How do you manage concentric circles of FAs? Auto-mesh may help, but still major planning task. Issue of OAM degradation. 2) MP2P LSPs. So auto-merging of LSPs, with bandwidth increasing as you move downstream. So great LSP scaling (especially in ladder topologies). But LSP state not as good (more state per LSP). Also issue of traffic disambiguation. So how do you know where a packet came from? New functional controls needed to make it work properly. next steps are to polish this and close it off. Would like it to be an individual submission that would attract WG review in last call. Not pushing for WG status, but pushing people to realise there is a real problem out there to be addressed in future. Ben Niven-Jenkins - this work is valuable. Had read the first version but forgotten the content. Do you take account of dual-homing in topologies? Adrian - we don't, but ought to, but it'd fry my brain ;-) Will have a think about it. JP - agree is good work. do we need a solution? If you're using MPLS TE to optimise b/w then isn't it safer e.g. to have full P router mesh. So get 80% of benefit whilst reducing LSPs by an order of magnitude. Adrian - e.g. between middle layer in my diagram? Issue is how many P nodes do you have? And do you need to have another layer of meshing? JP - in a particular core e.g. with 1000 PEs have 100-200 P routers. that's OK. So the thing I'm questioning is do we need to find a solution. We have something that may be good enough. key may be to protect stitching point. Adrian - as soon as you have a mesh between "edge" P routers then you have a solution. So you've answered your Q as to whether you need a soln. JP - so we're in violent agreement. Also want heads-up to WG. We're writing draft on this. In many cases where people have a problem the solution is hierarchical LSPs. What we intend to do is to document all the issues with H-LSPs. so if anyone wants to participate see me later. Adrian - to summarise where that's coming from. as soon as you go hierarchical you lose granularity of control. Dimitri - interesting to discuss this. But what's the objective in terms of performance in terms of number of states in network? There is no perfect solution. So if we don't state this we may come with solutions that are totally incorrect. It may be a general question. Are you willing to enforce merging in the multi-area case. Or does the source see the full topology so you're just enforcing a policy? Adrian - those are both good Qs. Looking at the second one first. We have for the sake of understanding where we're starting from looked at a single flat routing area. Breaking into sub-areas or ASes would be an interesting exercise. in terms of objectives we need to do more work. Started with a simple one of "we want to be able to operate a network". Dimitri - There's a question of signalling/routing relationship. Similar to Bruno and George's drafts. Is a scalability issue. need to check what type of solution we're looking for. Adrian - another objective was to do TE. Dimitri - so is for MPLS-TE only? Adrian - yes. JL - this draft is very relevant and practical. I may have some minor concerns. Did you look at the key issues in RSVP-TE scaling? Is it the number of states, size of state, CPU, memory. with MP2P LSPs you reduce the number of states, but you may have more processing when you add or remove LSPs etc. Adrian - just as with P2MP, the bigger your tree gets the harder it is to modify it. We haven't analysed it, but we have recognised it. not the same as one LSP. ? - so in a large network you can't have a full mesh of P2P LSPs. Adrian - my experience of telling SPs "you can't do that" is that it doesn't help! SPs want a full mesh of TE tunnels. ? - but there's no solution at this point so going in this direction is dangerous. Adrian - if the decision from this work is "you can't do it" then that doesn't mean it isn't valuable. ? - SPs are facing this even more with P2MP. so would be beneficial to include that. Dimitri - if you plan to continue I'd love to see you look at scalability, robustness etc. Must look at amount of info that's restricting state operation. So look at fate analysis. With MP2P have one state that interconnects all LSPs. Would be willing to help. Loa - would like Adrian to put CCAMP chair hat on so we can agree process around this document. I'm not sure is as simple as sending it in as an individual contribution. Bob Thomas - LDP end-of-LIB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The motivation is addressing an oversight in the LDP spec. An LDP speaker has no way to tell when its peer has advertised all its label bindings. It may be useful to know, for example: 1) When is LDP/IGP synchronisation completed? Better not to have to guess. 2) When has GR restart completed. 3) Case of a label request with a typed wildcard. It'd be nice for the LDP speaker which issued the request to know when its peer has sent all the requested labels. Our approach is LDP notification with a new status code for end-of-LIB (for a FEC type). So send the end-of-LIB status code plus a typed wildcard FEC specifying the FEC type for which the advertisement is completed. Issues with backwards compatibility. Issue is that LDP spec (RFC3036) assumed that new status codes could be defined but doesn't say what to do if you get a notification msg with a status code you don't understand. so draft uses LDP capability so that when you initialise you say if you can process end-of-LIB. Peer will only send end-of-LIB if that capability has been advertised. example walkthrough... assume that R1 is active. R1 sends init with end-of-LIB capability TLV. R2 in this case can also support it so sends a similar message. Then have keepalives and label advertisements etc. once R2 finishes sending labels it sends end-of-LIB notification for IPv4. once R1 finishes it does the same. there has been another draft on this topic (on LDP-IGP sync). 2 mechanisms. One is similar to this (but no typed wildcard or capabilities). The other enhances the label mapping message. So may want to look at that draft also. would love comments etc. ? - this is essentially harmless if I received it and didn't understand it. One of the things you may want to consider is a new FEC TLV that says "this label mapping message is the last one I'm going to send". That avoids sending label mapping followed by notification. So if there's a minor routing change then you just send one message. Bob - that's similar to the other draft. Ina - what if I expect the notification, but you don't send it? Shouldn't it be a MUST rather than a MAY. Bob - might be good to have relatively generous timeout. can't always be sure peer will send it. Ina - (unintelligible) Alia - talking about negotiating a capability for this. Wouldn't it be nice to have a generalised capability saying how you'd respond to unrecognised status notifications so don't have a special case for every such one in future. Bob - will consider that. Alia - how do you envision a router determining when it's done sending the LIB? With LDP/IGP sync one issue is talkative sessions. It's not always easy to know. Bob - things can happen which may require label mapping a few seconds later or 10 minutes later. But after e.g. a session comes up the router will know when it has finished its initial set of advertisements. Alia - so more clarification on that is good. Yakov - the draft mentions that end-of-LIB is useful in various scenarios. That is true, but would be good to document how it is used in those scenarios. Luyann - very useful. when I was on the provider side we had LDP blackholing issues and issues with LDP/IGP sync. And issue of how we knew it was done. One Q is what if some nodes can do this and not others. Have to set certain timers. Timers not by default. Non PHB behavior and out-of-band mapping for RSVP-TE (Zafar) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Issue of out-of-band mechanisms to bind RSVP-TE LSPs to application (e.g. with BGP, LDP). So need to identify local label at egress node to apply that mapping. Can't forward until have that out of band info. also various cases for non-PHP behaviour. solution is 2 new optional bits. one for out-of-band and one for no-PHP. Independent of each other. note that out-of-band requires no-PHP as have to be able to identify the LSP. want this to be WG draft. Zafar - S2L Name ID for P2MP TE LSPs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- problem is that for P2MP LSPs if you want to know destination etc. this doc lets you signal S2L names as well as LSP names. So can debug given destination for a given P2MP tree within an LSP using the S2L name. this draft defines an optional object for the sub-LSP descriptor tuple from RFC4875. Can use the S2L_ATTRIBUTE to carry more stuff in future. Good comment from Adrian on using RFC4420 encoding. want more comments and to be WG draft... Loa - not much support in the room. will take this to the list and get feedback. see if things have improved in October. --------------040401000008080902090607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8; name=footer.html Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
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Thanks, Luyuan=20 -----Original Message----- From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.se]=20 Sent: 27 July 2007 17:09 To: mpls@ietf.org; George Swallow (swallow); Ross Callon; David Ward Subject: [mpls] request for new mplsworking group drafts Working group, coming out of the Chicago meeting we have requests from the authors of three documents that their IDs are made working group drafts. First: "Security Framework for MPLS and GMPLS Networks" *draft-fang-mpls-gmpls-security-framework-01.txt* this draft had a very good support at the working group meeting, booth in terms of the number of people who had read it and the number that thought it is ready to become a working group draft. Second: "Non PHP Behavior and out-of-band mapping for RSVP-TE LSPs" *draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-no-php-oob-mapping-01.txt* this draft had slightly less support, but there were a clear interest. Third: "LDP IGP Synchronization" *draft-jork-ldp-igp-sync-03.txt* this draft was not discussed at the meeting in Chicago, but has been discussed at earlier meetings and updated after that. Since it is summer and we are going into vacation times we'll allow for input on this until August 22. Please send your ffeedback to the working group mailing list. Loa and Geroge -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 30 12:56:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFYX6-00037H-R5; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:55:48 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IFYX6-000375-4r for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:55:48 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFYX5-00036x-QN for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:55:47 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFYX5-0001bH-CV for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:55:47 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2007 12:55:45 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAL20rUZAZnme/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,199,1183348800"; d="scan'208"; a="66539571:sNHT368695352" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6UGtkvk027967; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:55:46 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l6UGtUWU017037; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:55:46 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-203.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.20]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:55:45 -0400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] request for new mplsworking group drafts Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:55:44 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46AA5ED7.9070702@pi.se> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] request for new mplsworking group drafts Thread-Index: AcfQkmFg1uVqXhJ+RcKEEYXOsQIwIACOAijA References: <46AA5ED7.9070702@pi.se> From: "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" To: "Loa Andersson" , , "George Swallow \(swallow\)" , "Ross Callon" , "David Ward" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2007 16:55:45.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[79029E70:01C7D2CA] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2104; t=1185814546; x=1186678546; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=zali@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Zafar=20Ali=20\(zali\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[mpls]=20request=20=20for=20new=20mplsworking=20group =20drafts |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Loa=20Andersson=22=20, =20, =0A=20=20=2 0=20=20=20=20=20=22George=20Swallow=20\(swallow\)=22=20 , =0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=22Ross=20Callon=22=20, =2 0=22David=20Ward=22=20; bh=ii97VMNzku318HcjrPSGvxrgCrHIp2V6mtHKKShzY0s=; b=EDccXr0miE/4upooB371C0F21xzpXl2CBjlnaVc7+BMdaki2B/Blt6Dl6jBTu+GeVOkKNgZX gEGLNYzaXtAR3SdvdtOP/p2wMR/6zBLMmedjb1y3xPqm2wiRWZ/I+6Fy; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=zali@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org In favor of all.=20 Thanks Regards... Zafar=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.se]=20 > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 5:09 PM > To: mpls@ietf.org; George Swallow (swallow); Ross Callon; David Ward > Subject: [mpls] request for new mplsworking group drafts >=20 > Working group, >=20 > coming out of the Chicago meeting we have requests from the=20 > authors of three documents that their IDs are made working=20 > group drafts. >=20 > First: > "Security Framework for MPLS and GMPLS Networks" > *draft-fang-mpls-gmpls-security-framework-01.txt* >=20 > this draft had a very good support at the working group=20 > meeting, booth in terms of the number of people who had read=20 > it and the number that thought it is ready to become a=20 > working group draft. >=20 > Second: > "Non PHP Behavior and out-of-band mapping for RSVP-TE LSPs" > *draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-no-php-oob-mapping-01.txt* >=20 > this draft had slightly less support, but there were a clear interest. >=20 > Third: > "LDP IGP Synchronization" > *draft-jork-ldp-igp-sync-03.txt* >=20 > this draft was not discussed at the meeting in Chicago, but=20 > has been discussed at earlier meetings and updated after that. >=20 > Since it is summer and we are going into vacation times we'll=20 > allow for input on this until August 22. Please send your=20 > ffeedback to the working group mailing list. >=20 > Loa and Geroge >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Loa Andersson >=20 > Principal Networking Architect > Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 > Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 > Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se > loa@pi.se >=20 > This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway.=20 > http://www.astaro.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 30 15:12:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFaeE-0003s8-Hj; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:11:18 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IFaeC-0003s2-Ir for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:11:16 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFaeC-0003ru-6f for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:11:16 -0400 Received: from smtpa.juniper.net ([207.17.137.120]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFaeB-0006j9-No for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:11:16 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO merlot.juniper.net) ([172.17.27.10]) by smtpa.juniper.net with ESMTP/TLS/DES-CBC3-SHA; 30 Jul 2007 12:11:15 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,199,1183359600"; d="scan'208"; a="46489101:sNHT33713756" Received: from sapphire.juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id l6UJBEO24139; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rahul@juniper.net) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Rahul Aggarwal To: Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [mpls] request for new mplsworking group drafts In-Reply-To: <46AA5ED7.9070702@pi.se> Message-ID: <20070730121101.U14544@sapphire.juniper.net> References: <46AA5ED7.9070702@pi.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Cc: mpls@ietf.org, Ross Callon , David Ward X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Loa, Yes to all. rahul On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working group, > > coming out of the Chicago meeting we have requests from > the authors of three documents that their IDs are made > working group drafts. > > First: > "Security Framework for MPLS and GMPLS Networks" > *draft-fang-mpls-gmpls-security-framework-01.txt* > > this draft had a very good support at the working group meeting, > booth in terms of the number of people who had read it and the > number that thought it is ready to become a working group draft. > > Second: > "Non PHP Behavior and out-of-band mapping for RSVP-TE LSPs" > *draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-no-php-oob-mapping-01.txt* > > this draft had slightly less support, but there were a clear > interest. > > Third: > "LDP IGP Synchronization" > *draft-jork-ldp-igp-sync-03.txt* > > this draft was not discussed at the meeting in Chicago, but > has been discussed at earlier meetings and updated after that. > > Since it is summer and we are going into vacation times we'll > allow for input on this until August 22. Please send your ffeedback > to the working group mailing list. > > Loa and Geroge > > > > -- > Loa Andersson > > Principal Networking Architect > Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 > Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 > Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se > loa@pi.se > > This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Jul 30 15:39:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFb5W-0001o4-Ju; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:39:30 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IFb5U-0001ny-FH for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:39:28 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFb5U-0001nq-4W for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:39:28 -0400 Received: from smtpa.juniper.net ([207.17.137.120]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFb5S-0007XQ-3f for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:39:27 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO merlot.juniper.net) ([172.17.27.10]) by smtpa.juniper.net with ESMTP/TLS/DES-CBC3-SHA; 30 Jul 2007 12:39:26 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,199,1183359600"; d="scan'208"; a="46509803:sNHT36294608" Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id l6UJdOO36080; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:39:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200707301939.l6UJdOO36080@merlot.juniper.net> To: "Loa Andersson" , mpls@ietf.org, "George Swallow" , "Ross Callon" , "David Ward" Subject: Re: [mpls] request for new mplsworking group drafts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <21862.1185824364.1@juniper.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:39:24 -0700 From: Yakov Rekhter X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Loa, > Working group, > > coming out of the Chicago meeting we have requests from the > authors of three documents that their IDs are made working > group drafts. > > First: > "Security Framework for MPLS and GMPLS Networks" > *draft-fang-mpls-gmpls-security-framework-01.txt* > > this draft had a very good support at the working group > meeting, booth in terms of the number of people who had read > it and the number that thought it is ready to become a > working group draft. Support. > Second: > "Non PHP Behavior and out-of-band mapping for RSVP-TE LSPs" > *draft-ali-mpls-rsvp-te-no-php-oob-mapping-01.txt* > > this draft had slightly less support, but there were a clear interest. Support. > Third: > "LDP IGP Synchronization" > *draft-jork-ldp-igp-sync-03.txt* > > this draft was not discussed at the meeting in Chicago, but > has been discussed at earlier meetings and updated after that. > > Since it is summer and we are going into vacation times we'll > allow for input on this until August 22. Please send your > feedback to the working group mailing list. Support. 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Whener RSVP hello session is removed admistatively is it necessary to Add Admin object

> (class 196, Ctype 1)  to Hello message?

> 

> I have came across a draft  "draft-ali-ccamp-rsvp-hello-gr-admin-00" ,

> which

> mentions about adding such object ,but the draft is obsolete now.

>if there is no mechanism to find Admin hello disable, it’ll have problems in GR and FRR scenarios.

 

Ho to deal with such things

 

 

Regards,

Shiv.

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