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Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:22 PM Subject: Fw: liaison response to to IETF ccamp WG on MFA Forum MPLS CNI > Hi, > > We have received the attached liaison from the MFA. > I expect it will be posted on the IETF web site in due course. In the mean > time, you can find it at www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp.htm > > The liaison does not ask for any action from us, but we may want to review > the new specification and comment on it. > > Thanks, > Adrian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Rao Cherukuri" > To: ; ; ; > > Cc: "David Sinicrope (RL/TNT)" ; > ; "BOCCI Matthew" > ; "Ross Callon" ; > ; > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:34 PM > Subject: liaison response to to IETF ccamp WG on MFA Forum MPLS CNI > > > Hi Adrian, Deborah, > > Thank you and the CCAMP WG for providing such thorough and valuable > comments. We have reviewed and incorporated many of them into the CNI > document. There are a few that we have not incorporated for various > reasons. We have provided the rationale for these decisions inline > below. > > Please let us know if you have any questions or concerns. > > Best Regards, > David Sinicrope AD Working Group Chair > > Rao Cherukuri TC Chair > > *************************************** > > We note that you have opted to define a new RSVP object to support a > multi-class LSP following the rules for vendor private assignment as > described in section 2.2 of RFC3936. We believe that you may have > misinterpreted the purpose of vendor private extensions since such > extensions are specifically not intended to interoperate, but you are > attempting to define a specification directly for the purpose of > interworking devices from different vendors. In your case it would seem > to make more sense to define a standardized extension to the protocol. > > MFAF> At the time of development of our specification draft-andersson > was not adopted by IETF. Also, the Multi Class specification wasn't in > a state where we could refer to it. Consequently, we chose to use the > vendor private TLV to expedite completion of our document. In > subsequent revisions of the CNI we will consider following > draft-andersson and obtaining a standard Multi Class TLV. > > Should you decide that a standardized extension is better able to > deliver the functionality that you require, we should like to draw your > attention to draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-06.txt that defines how > other SDOs may influence the development of MPLS and GMPLS protocols > within the IETF, and which is currently in IETF last call. The (G)MPLS > suites of protocols have become popular among multiple SDOs resulting in > a need for IETF to clarify its role as the responsible SDO for (G)MPLS > protocol extensions so as to prevent unnecessary replication of > functionality and the resulting interoperability problems. > > 1. The document is marked as Straw Ballot Text. Can you tell us > what that means the status of the work is? > MFAF> Review is completed and document is in "last call". > > 2. We think that your use of terminology may be a little loose. > > In many cases, where you say "MPLS" you are probably referring > to the data plane, and specifically a packet-switching data > plane with an MPLS encapsulation. > > But in other cases, "MPLS" and "MPLS-TE" are synonymous and > refer to a signaling/routing control plane using the MPLS-TE > extensions to RSVP and to the two IGPs OSPF and IS-IS. > > In many cases you say "GMPLS-TE" which is not something we > specifically recognise although we can assume that you mean > simply "GMPLS". Sometimes, where you are trying to > distinguish a TE LSP established using MPLS-TE from one set > up using GMPLS you may intend to say "GMPLS TE-LSP" rather > than "GMPLS-TE LSP". > > We feel that close attention to the terminology may help > clarify the document. > > MFAF> We have gone through the document and reflected your suggestions > in the text. > > 3. Section 1.1 states: > The purpose of this specification is to define an MPLS-based > Client to Network Interconnect (CNI) for establishing GMPLS > Traffic Engineered (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). > Can we assume that this means that the client-to-client LSPs > are established using GMPLS protocols, but that the signaling > within the core network is out of scope? Especially since > section 1.2 states: > At the CNI, it is not desirable to have the client equipment > participate in the internal control protocols of the MPLS > network. > MFAF> We have reflected this suggestion in the text of section 1.2. > > 4. Can you clarify why you have selected GMPLS protocols and not > MPLS-TE protocols on which to build your CNI. We are not > opposed to this, but are seeking to understand the choice. > Perhaps the main reason is the requirement for bidirectional > LSPs. > MFAF> To facilitate use of bi-direction LSPs and to leverage existing > implementations of the standard. > We have reflected this rationale in the text of section 1.2. > > 5. Can you clarify whether the core network is assumed to be > PSC only? That is, for example, if the CNI encoding is POS, > would it be acceptable for the PE and the rest of the core > network to switch the LSP as TDM until the remote PE or even > CE, or do you require that the PE must perform packet > switching? If the PE must perform packet switching, is it > still acceptable for the core LSP (PE-PE) to be switched at > some other technology? > MFAF>We assume that the core is PSC only. The CNI is implemented at the > edge of the network. > Details of the core network beyond what is stated in section 1.3 are > beyond the scope of the CNI. > > 6. Section 1.3 states: > Where the network uses MPLS-TE signaling, the PE routers are > expected to perform the translation. > It is our opinion that this translation is non-trivial and may > be impossible for some of the GMPLS services that are > available at the CNI. For example, supporting a bidirectional > service over an MPLS-TE signaling network requires additional > coordination between the end-points that is currently not > available in the MPLS-TE extensions to RSVP-TE. > From the following text in section 7.1, we assume that the PE > may refuse a CNI request if it is unable to provide the > required level of function. > The transport network in the provider network is a GMPLS or > MPLS-TE based packet switched network that must support > request for uni-directional LSPs and may support requests > for bi-directional LSPs > MFAF> In section 1.3 we state that the core has support for a minimum > set of GMPLS capabilities. > e.g., bidirectional LSP support, traffic engineering QoS capabilities. > > 7. Section 2.1 > The correct expansion of "GMPLS" is "Generalized Multiprotocol > Label Switching". In view of you chosen expansion of "MPLS", > you may prefer to show this as "Generalized Multi Protocol > Label Switching". > > The correct expansion of "FEC" is "Forwarding Equivalence > Class". > > MFAF> We have reflected this suggestion in the text. See the Acronyms > section. > > 8. Section 7.2 states: > The CE and PE nodes are inter-connected by point-to-point > interfaces. The signaling channel is "in-band", i.e., the > labeled packets share the same access connection as the > RSVP-TE signaling. > This is an acceptable, but not required, method of deploying > GMPLS-based signaling. It is our suspicion reading this very > short section that it is your intention to forbid the use of > the IF_ID RSVP_HOP Object at the CNI. Can you confirm or deny > this? > > MFAF> At our last meeting in Chicago we decided to allow the use of the > IF_ID_RSVP_HOP as an option. See section 7.2. > > 9. Section 7.3 states: > A client need only know its own address, a reachable address > of the adjacent PE-node, and know the address of any other > client to which it wishes to connect. The addresses listed > above must be configured on each client. > > A PE need only know (and track) the addresses on interfaces > attached to clients, as well as the Node IDs of these > attached clients. In addition, the IP/MPLS network needs to > know reachability to the interface addresses and Node IDs of > other PEs to which an attached client is permitted to > connect. > > This appears to miss the fact that the client will address a > CNI connection request to a remote client address. The local > PE must, therefore, know how to route to these client > addresses that are outside the core routing domain. > > Perhaps the final sentence should say CE not PE? > > But in 9.1.2 you have: > When a PE receives a Path message from a client that > contains no ERO indicating transit network selection, then > the PE is responsible for progressing the Path message > toward the destination. The progression of the Path > message is beyond the scope of this specification. > > While the details are clearly out of scope, it *is* relevant > to the definition of the CNI how the core acquires and > distributes the client-side addressing information that is > necessary for routing across the core. You will observe that > the problem you are solving (including the fact that the > client addresses may come from an address space that overlaps > with the core address space) is similar to the L3VPN problem. > > MFAF> We corrected the text to address this issue in section 7.3. > Also see the changes in section 9.1.2. > > 10. What is the expected behavior from the core network when an > E-LSP is requested at the CNI? > > Can we assume that the expectation is that an appropriate > E-LSP will also be established across the core so that > Diffserv behavior will be performed along the whole length > of the client-client connection, or is this not a > requirement? > > If core Diffserv behavior is required, how will the core > handle the presence of multiple classes? > > MFAF>This is assumed and although how it is done is beyond the > scope of the specification, section 7.4.1 now states what is expected of > the network. > > 11. You are correct to observe that the ERO is optional in GMPLS > implementations (sections 9.1.1 and 9.1.2), however, since > you are specifying a profile for use at the CNI, and since > both the CE and the PE must be CNI-aware (i.e., you cannot > simply use legacy implementations) you may find it convenient > to mandate support of the ERO at the CNI. > > We believe that in practice all implementations support ERO. > > MFAF> We still do not mandate ERO because there was no agreement > within the MFAF TC to mandate it. See changes made in 9.1.2. > > 12. In section 9.1.1 you have: > The client populates the ERO object with only one sub-object > containing an Autonomous System Number (ASN) representing a > transit network beyond the originating service provider. > The client equipment must set the ASN sub-object 'L' bit to > 1, indicating a loose route. > It is not completely clear what is meant by 'the originating > service provider', but we assume that this refers to the > network that the ingress PE belongs to. In this case, this > ERO is malformed and will be rejected. The first sub-object > of a received ERO must always define an abstract node that > the receiver is a member of. See RFC 3209, section 4.3.4.1, > point 1). > > MFAF> We reflected this in section 9.1.1. > > 13. In section 9.4: > PE next to a client receives a PathErr with > Path_State_Removed from the network, it may in turn > generate either a ResvTear or PathTear, whichever is > applicable, to be sent to the client. > There are no circumstances in which a PE receiving a PathErr > with Path_State_Removed from the network would send PathTear > to the client. > > It is unclear to us why you would specify that the CNI built > on GMPLS might not use this standard GMPLS procedure. > > MFAF>We reflected this in section 9.4. > > 14. In section 9.5.3: > The Extended Classtype object is signaled in the Path > message, and saved in the Path State Block (PSB) at every > hop. > We recommend that you simply state that the state is stored > as every hop. The existence of a PSB is implementation- > specific. > > Can you please clarify "at every hop". Are you expecting > nodes in the core network to store this information. If so, > you should note that the core nodes will not recognize the > object class and will reject any messages carrying it. > > We also suggest that before progressing your own extensions > for multi-class DSTE LSPs you should look at the existing > work within the IETF: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-minei-diffserv-te-multi-class- > 02.txt > -02.txt> . > If this work is not adequate for your requirements, we > would encourage you to work with its authors to produce > a single standardized solution within the IETF. > > MFAF>We removed all references to PSB, and all reference to "at every > hop". > This better aligns with our scope of not specifying the network > internals. > See section 9.5.3. > > 15. In 9.5.4: > An LSR that recognizes the Extended Classtype object and > that receives a Path message which contains the Extended > Classtype object but which does not contain a Label Request > object or which does not have a session type of > LSP_Tunnel_IPv4, must send a PathErr message towards the > sender with the error code 'extended-classtype Error' and > an error value of 'Unexpected Extended Classtype object'. > These are defined below: > Why do you define new parsing behavior for the absence of a > Label Request object (by the way, you should say Generalized > Label Request object, since this is GMPLS)? The absence of > mandatory objects is already covered in RFC2205. > > MFAF> We removed the reference to "the absence of (Generalized) Label > Request object". > This implies that if the Generalized Label Request object is missing, > the relevant procedures of RFC 2205 will > be performed. > > 16. The error code defined in 9.5.4 is conformant with RFC 3936. > You may wish to look at draft-swallow-rsvp-user-error-spec > in case this gives you the ability to handle more detailed > private error codes. > > MFAF> In our specifications we are limited to referring only to > documents > that have been progressed to the RFC editor queue and beyond. We will > certainly > consider reference to draft-swallow-rsvp-user-error-spec in future > revisions of the CNI. > > Finally, we would like to refer you to > draft-kumaki-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-01.txt and > draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt for the latest state > of discussions in CCAMP with respect to interworking MPLS and GMPLS > networks. > > MFAF> Thanks for pointing out these documents. 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Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:23 AM
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Subject: PWE3

 

Hi,

 

Can someone please explain to me the PWE3 technology in a simple way? Also, how do PWE3, QinQ & VPLS is interrelated?

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It basically emulates L2, QinQ, and VPLS = requires MPLS, where PWE3 works with IP backbone using L2TP. Yes it is = possible to carry the TDM E1 with PWE3, this is great technology, it = allows SP's to offer legacy technology such us Frame-Relay/ATM with the = existing IP backbone, so PWE3 will emulate Ethernet/FR-RELAY/ATM where = you can assign VC ID and build a tunnel, We use L2TPv3 Mohamed, Let me know if you need more info, unicast me and I will be happy to = provide you more info Thanks, Liban Mohamed NTAC-IP=20 Sprint/Nextel www.sprint.net=20 liban.mohamed@sprint.com (W) 678-291-3438 =20 (PCS) 404-441-9701 -----Original Message----- From: Truman Boyes [mailto:truman@suspicious.org]=20 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:35 PM To: Mohammed Shahnawaz Cc: mpls-ops@mplsrc.com; mpls@uu.net; mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: Re: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 Hi Mohammed, PWE3 technology is for creation of pseudowires in MPLS domains. =20 Basically, the PE devices in your MPLS domain will terminate and =20 carry the "circuit" through to another PE where the circuit tail will =20 proceed to a CE device. QinQ is double 802.1q tagged Ethernet frames. VPLS is a MPLS technology where you have a multipoint to multipoint =20 communication method for Ethernet technologies. It basically creates =20 a large virtual lan switch across a MPLS network. How are these items related? Well, they all use MPLS, and they all =20 relate to layer 2 transport. Sometimes on PWE3 and VPLS networks you =20 wish to carry QinQ ... best regards, Truman On 3/09/2007, at 1:01 AM, Mohammed Shahnawaz wrote: > > From: Mohammed Shahnawaz [mailto:mshahnawaz@huawei.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:23 AM > To: 'mpls-ops@mplsrc.com' > Subject: PWE3 > > > > Hi, > > > > Can someone please explain to me the PWE3 technology in a simple =20 > way? Also, how do PWE3, QinQ & VPLS is interrelated? > > Is it possible to carry the TDM E1 over IP network using PWE3 tech? > > > > Kindly someone explain. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Shahnawaz > > > > ------- The MPLS-OPS Mailing List Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.mplsrc.com/mplsops.shtml Archive: http://www.mplsrc.com/mpls-ops_archive.shtml _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Sep 04 08:32:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXUq-0001yp-9A; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:27:08 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IRp5b-0007Lm-FO for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:02:07 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRp5b-0007Le-5n for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:02:07 -0400 Received: from lhrga02-in.huawei.com ([195.33.106.143]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRp5Z-0007Ff-9U for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:02:07 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (lhrga02-in [172.18.7.45]) by lhrga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JNQ00CD2S7EED@lhrga02-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:02:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from l86159 ([10.196.73.156]) by lhrga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JNQ00BNFS75FG@lhrga02-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:02:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:01:47 +0400 From: Mohammed Shahnawaz To: mpls-ops@mplsrc.com, mpls@uu.net, mpls@lists.ietf.org Message-id: <001401c7ed61$6de84e20$9c49c40a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Acfmz4yp8bubOU2zSryn8EnObayEkAGkdH9w X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2bf730a014b318fd3efd65b39b48818c X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:27:07 -0400 Cc: Subject: [mpls] FW: PWE3 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1724205600==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1724205600== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_YoWHS9kyyfh/2nAo35B9iw)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_YoWHS9kyyfh/2nAo35B9iw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT _____ From: Mohammed Shahnawaz [mailto:mshahnawaz@huawei.com] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:23 AM To: 'mpls-ops@mplsrc.com' Subject: PWE3 Hi, Can someone please explain to me the PWE3 technology in a simple way? 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From: Mohammed Shahnawaz [mailto:mshahnawaz@huawei.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:23 AM
To: 'mpls-ops@mplsrc.com'
Subject: PWE3

 

Hi,

 

Can someone please explain to me the PWE3 technology in a simple way? Also, how do PWE3, QinQ & VPLS is interrelated?

Is it possible to carry the TDM E1 over IP network using PWE3 tech?

 

Kindly someone explain.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Shahnawaz

 

--Boundary_(ID_YoWHS9kyyfh/2nAo35B9iw)-- --===============1724205600== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============1724205600==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Sep 04 08:32:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXUM-0001me-7N; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:26:38 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IRziO-0004Hp-SW for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:22:52 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IRziO-0004Hh-JC for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:22:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRzbC-0005av-Ob for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:15:26 -0400 Received: from outbound-cpk.frontbridge.com ([207.46.163.16] helo=outbound6-cpk-R.bigfish.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRzbB-0003OE-E3 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:15:26 -0400 Received: from outbound6-cpk.bigfish.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by outbound6-cpk-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A4E7F02BA; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail127-cpk-R.bigfish.com (unknown [10.2.40.3]) by outbound6-cpk.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DD8F6004E; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail127-cpk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail127-cpk-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7C9708142; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:15:24 +0000 (UTC) X-BigFish: V X-MS-Exchange-Organization-Antispam-Report: OrigIP: 207.40.188.13; Service: EHS Received: by mail127-cpk (MessageSwitch) id 1188778524384336_16580; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:15:24 +0000 (UCT) Received: from smtpgw5.sprintspectrum.com (smtpgw5.sprintspectrum.com [207.40.188.13]) by mail127-cpk.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A43F820046; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost.sprintspectrum.com (smtpgw8.it.sprintspectrum.com [207.40.65.56]) by smtpgw5.sprintspectrum.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l830FHCX019210; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:15:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from plswg03a.ad.sprint.com (PLSWG03A.corp.sprint.com [10.214.11.49]) by mailhost.sprintspectrum.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l830FBwI006653; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:15:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com ([144.226.229.36]) by plswg03a.ad.sprint.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:14:58 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:15:15 -0500 Message-ID: <86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C0573490E@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com> In-Reply-To: <484BF91C-161E-46B9-A9BF-CBE4FA7C863E@suspicious.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 thread-index: Acftr9eR+XRtKYtlSdmL5eVh9qSYPgADoGvQ References: <001401c7ed61$6de84e20$9c49c40a@china.huawei.com> <484BF91C-161E-46B9-A9BF-CBE4FA7C863E@suspicious.org> From: "Mohamed, Liban [NTK]" To: "Truman Boyes" , "Mohammed Shahnawaz" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2007 00:14:58.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[76A7E6C0:01C7EDBF] X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Scan-Signature: cf3becbbd6d1a45acbe2ffd4ab88bdc2 X-TMDA-Confirmed: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:22:52 -0400 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:26:36 -0400 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org, mpls@uu.net, mpls-ops@mplsrc.com Subject: [mpls] RE: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Truman, PWE3 is not MPLS specific technology, PWE3 encapsulation uses IP(both = version), L2TP, and MPLS. It basically emulates L2, QinQ, and VPLS = requires MPLS, where PWE3 works with IP backbone using L2TP. Yes it is = possible to carry the TDM E1 with PWE3, this is great technology, it = allows SP's to offer legacy technology such us Frame-Relay/ATM with the = existing IP backbone, so PWE3 will emulate Ethernet/FR-RELAY/ATM where = you can assign VC ID and build a tunnel, We use L2TPv3 Mohamed, Let me know if you need more info, unicast me and I will be happy to = provide you more info Thanks, Liban Mohamed NTAC-IP=20 Sprint/Nextel www.sprint.net=20 liban.mohamed@sprint.com (W) 678-291-3438 =20 (PCS) 404-441-9701 -----Original Message----- From: Truman Boyes [mailto:truman@suspicious.org]=20 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:35 PM To: Mohammed Shahnawaz Cc: mpls-ops@mplsrc.com; mpls@uu.net; mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: Re: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 Hi Mohammed, PWE3 technology is for creation of pseudowires in MPLS domains. =20 Basically, the PE devices in your MPLS domain will terminate and =20 carry the "circuit" through to another PE where the circuit tail will =20 proceed to a CE device. QinQ is double 802.1q tagged Ethernet frames. VPLS is a MPLS technology where you have a multipoint to multipoint =20 communication method for Ethernet technologies. It basically creates =20 a large virtual lan switch across a MPLS network. How are these items related? Well, they all use MPLS, and they all =20 relate to layer 2 transport. Sometimes on PWE3 and VPLS networks you =20 wish to carry QinQ ... best regards, Truman On 3/09/2007, at 1:01 AM, Mohammed Shahnawaz wrote: > > From: Mohammed Shahnawaz [mailto:mshahnawaz@huawei.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:23 AM > To: 'mpls-ops@mplsrc.com' > Subject: PWE3 > > > > Hi, > > > > Can someone please explain to me the PWE3 technology in a simple =20 > way? Also, how do PWE3, QinQ & VPLS is interrelated? > > Is it possible to carry the TDM E1 over IP network using PWE3 tech? > > > > Kindly someone explain. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Shahnawaz > > > > ------- The MPLS-OPS Mailing List Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.mplsrc.com/mplsops.shtml Archive: http://www.mplsrc.com/mpls-ops_archive.shtml _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Sep 04 08:32:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXUN-0001pd-AA; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:26:39 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IRzjj-00055f-Pr for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:24:15 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IRzjj-00055X-Ga for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:24:15 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRzgG-000377-IT for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:20:40 -0400 Received: from outbound-fra.frontbridge.com ([62.209.45.174] helo=outbound5-fra-R.bigfish.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRzgD-0003Vt-RY for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:20:39 -0400 Received: from outbound5-fra.bigfish.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by outbound5-fra-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6EB9E1471; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail45-fra-R.bigfish.com (unknown [10.4.252.3]) by outbound5-fra.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0398A3B804B; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail45-fra (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail45-fra-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD165F0074; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:20:37 +0000 (UTC) X-BigFish: V X-MS-Exchange-Organization-Antispam-Report: OrigIP: 207.40.188.14; Service: EHS Received: by mail45-fra (MessageSwitch) id 1188778836309752_32565; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:20:36 +0000 (UCT) Received: from smtpgw6.it.sprintspectrum.com (smtpgw6.sprintspectrum.com [207.40.188.14]) by mail45-fra.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5182308072; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost.sprintspectrum.com (smtpgw8.it.sprintspectrum.com [207.40.65.56]) by smtpgw6.it.sprintspectrum.com (8.12.11.Beta0/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l830KXj3017214; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:20:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pdawg05a.ad.sprint.com (PDAWG05A.corp.sprint.com [10.122.2.38]) by mailhost.sprintspectrum.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l830KX7h012662; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:20:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com ([144.226.229.36]) by pdawg05a.ad.sprint.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:20:33 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:20:54 -0500 Message-ID: <86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C05734915@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com> In-Reply-To: <86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C0573490E@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 thread-index: Acftr9eR+XRtKYtlSdmL5eVh9qSYPgADoGvQAAB6/PA= References: <001401c7ed61$6de84e20$9c49c40a@china.huawei.com><484BF91C-161E-46B9-A9BF-CBE4FA7C863E@suspicious.org> <86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C0573490E@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com> From: "Mohamed, Liban [NTK]" To: "Mohamed, Liban [NTK]" , "Truman Boyes" , "Mohammed Shahnawaz" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2007 00:20:33.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E3A7270:01C7EDC0] X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 6e922792024732fb1bb6f346e63517e4 X-TMDA-Confirmed: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:24:15 -0400 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:26:36 -0400 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org, mpls@uu.net, mpls-ops@mplsrc.com Subject: [mpls] RE: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Truman, PWE3 is not MPLS specific technology, PWE3 encapsulation uses IP(both = version), L2TP, and MPLS. It basically emulates L2, QinQ, and VPLS = requires MPLS, where PWE3 works with IP backbone using L2TP. Yes it is = possible to carry the TDM E1 with PWE3, this is great technology, it = allows SP's to offer legacy technology such us Frame-Relay/ATM with the = existing IP backbone, so PWE3 will emulate Ethernet/FR-RELAY/ATM where = you can assign VC ID and build a tunnel, We use L2TPv3 Mohamed, Let me know if you need more info, unicast me and I will be happy to = provide you more info Thanks, Liban Mohamed NTAC-IP=20 Sprint/Nextel www.sprint.net=20 liban.mohamed@sprint.com (W) 678-291-3438 =20 (PCS) 404-441-9701 -----Original Message----- From: Truman Boyes [mailto:truman@suspicious.org]=20 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:35 PM To: Mohammed Shahnawaz Cc: mpls-ops@mplsrc.com; mpls@uu.net; mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: Re: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 Hi Mohammed, PWE3 technology is for creation of pseudowires in MPLS domains. =20 Basically, the PE devices in your MPLS domain will terminate and =20 carry the "circuit" through to another PE where the circuit tail will =20 proceed to a CE device. QinQ is double 802.1q tagged Ethernet frames. VPLS is a MPLS technology where you have a multipoint to multipoint =20 communication method for Ethernet technologies. It basically creates =20 a large virtual lan switch across a MPLS network. How are these items related? Well, they all use MPLS, and they all =20 relate to layer 2 transport. Sometimes on PWE3 and VPLS networks you =20 wish to carry QinQ ... best regards, Truman On 3/09/2007, at 1:01 AM, Mohammed Shahnawaz wrote: > > From: Mohammed Shahnawaz [mailto:mshahnawaz@huawei.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:23 AM > To: 'mpls-ops@mplsrc.com' > Subject: PWE3 > > > > Hi, > > > > Can someone please explain to me the PWE3 technology in a simple =20 > way? Also, how do PWE3, QinQ & VPLS is interrelated? > > Is it possible to carry the TDM E1 over IP network using PWE3 tech? > > > > Kindly someone explain. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Shahnawaz > > > > ------- The MPLS-OPS Mailing List Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.mplsrc.com/mplsops.shtml Archive: http://www.mplsrc.com/mpls-ops_archive.shtml _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Sep 04 08:33:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXVu-0002af-9v; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:28:14 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IRx76-0006gg-6e for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:36:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRx75-0006gY-TV for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:36:11 -0400 Received: from dns.suspicious.org ([216.254.67.211]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRx74-0000dI-JC for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:36:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.68] (125-239-47-216.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [125.239.47.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dns.suspicious.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EE917C74; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 17:36:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <001401c7ed61$6de84e20$9c49c40a@china.huawei.com> References: <001401c7ed61$6de84e20$9c49c40a@china.huawei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <484BF91C-161E-46B9-A9BF-CBE4FA7C863E@suspicious.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Truman Boyes Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 09:34:49 +1200 To: Mohammed Shahnawaz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:28:12 -0400 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org, mpls@uu.net, mpls-ops@mplsrc.com Subject: [mpls] Re: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Mohammed, PWE3 technology is for creation of pseudowires in MPLS domains. Basically, the PE devices in your MPLS domain will terminate and carry the "circuit" through to another PE where the circuit tail will proceed to a CE device. QinQ is double 802.1q tagged Ethernet frames. VPLS is a MPLS technology where you have a multipoint to multipoint communication method for Ethernet technologies. It basically creates a large virtual lan switch across a MPLS network. How are these items related? Well, they all use MPLS, and they all relate to layer 2 transport. Sometimes on PWE3 and VPLS networks you wish to carry QinQ ... best regards, Truman On 3/09/2007, at 1:01 AM, Mohammed Shahnawaz wrote: > > From: Mohammed Shahnawaz [mailto:mshahnawaz@huawei.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:23 AM > To: 'mpls-ops@mplsrc.com' > Subject: PWE3 > > > > Hi, > > > > Can someone please explain to me the PWE3 technology in a simple > way? Also, how do PWE3, QinQ & VPLS is interrelated? > > Is it possible to carry the TDM E1 over IP network using PWE3 tech? > > > > Kindly someone explain. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Shahnawaz > > > > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Sep 04 08:33:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXVv-0002bH-1m; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:28:15 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IS1pz-0002UO-W9 for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:38:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IS1pz-0002UG-Mj for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:38:51 -0400 Received: from dns.suspicious.org ([216.254.67.211]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IS1py-0005kF-E2 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:38:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.68] (125-239-47-216.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [125.239.47.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dns.suspicious.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD2A17C6D; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:38:47 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C05734915@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com> References: <001401c7ed61$6de84e20$9c49c40a@china.huawei.com><484BF91C-161E-46B9-A9BF-CBE4FA7C863E@suspicious.org> <86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C0573490E@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com> <86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C05734915@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Truman Boyes Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:39:36 +1200 To: "Mohamed, Liban [NTK]" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2857c5c041d6c02d7181d602c22822c8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:28:13 -0400 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org, mpls@uu.net, Mohammed Shahnawaz , mpls-ops@mplsrc.com Subject: [mpls] Re: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Mohamed, I should have been more specific; I specified MPLS because the original question was around how these technologies related to MPLS. Thanks, Truman On 3/09/2007, at 12:20 PM, Mohamed, Liban [NTK] wrote: > > Truman, > > PWE3 is not MPLS specific technology, PWE3 encapsulation uses IP > (both version), L2TP, and MPLS. It basically emulates L2, QinQ, and > VPLS requires MPLS, where PWE3 works with IP backbone using L2TP. > Yes it is possible to carry the TDM E1 with PWE3, this is great > technology, it allows SP's to offer legacy technology such us Frame- > Relay/ATM with the existing IP backbone, so PWE3 will emulate > Ethernet/FR-RELAY/ATM where you can assign VC ID and build a > tunnel, We use L2TPv3 > > Mohamed, > > Let me know if you need more info, unicast me and I will be happy > to provide you more info > > Thanks, > > Liban Mohamed > NTAC-IP > Sprint/Nextel > www.sprint.net > liban.mohamed@sprint.com > (W) 678-291-3438 > (PCS) 404-441-9701 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Truman Boyes [mailto:truman@suspicious.org] > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:35 PM > To: Mohammed Shahnawaz > Cc: mpls-ops@mplsrc.com; mpls@uu.net; mpls@lists.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 > > Hi Mohammed, > > PWE3 technology is for creation of pseudowires in MPLS domains. > Basically, the PE devices in your MPLS domain will terminate and > carry the "circuit" through to another PE where the circuit tail will > proceed to a CE device. > > QinQ is double 802.1q tagged Ethernet frames. > > VPLS is a MPLS technology where you have a multipoint to multipoint > communication method for Ethernet technologies. It basically creates > a large virtual lan switch across a MPLS network. > > How are these items related? Well, they all use MPLS, and they all > relate to layer 2 transport. Sometimes on PWE3 and VPLS networks you > wish to carry QinQ ... > > best regards, > Truman > > > > On 3/09/2007, at 1:01 AM, Mohammed Shahnawaz wrote: > >> >> From: Mohammed Shahnawaz [mailto:mshahnawaz@huawei.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:23 AM >> To: 'mpls-ops@mplsrc.com' >> Subject: PWE3 >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Can someone please explain to me the PWE3 technology in a simple >> way? Also, how do PWE3, QinQ & VPLS is interrelated? >> >> Is it possible to carry the TDM E1 over IP network using PWE3 tech? >> >> >> >> Kindly someone explain. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Shahnawaz >> >> >> >> > > ------- > The MPLS-OPS Mailing List > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.mplsrc.com/mplsops.shtml > Archive: http://www.mplsrc.com/mpls-ops_archive.shtml > > > > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Sep 04 08:33:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXVu-0002af-9v; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:28:14 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IRx76-0006gg-6e for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:36:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRx75-0006gY-TV for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:36:11 -0400 Received: from dns.suspicious.org ([216.254.67.211]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IRx74-0000dI-JC for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:36:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.68] (125-239-47-216.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [125.239.47.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dns.suspicious.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EE917C74; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 17:36:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <001401c7ed61$6de84e20$9c49c40a@china.huawei.com> References: <001401c7ed61$6de84e20$9c49c40a@china.huawei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <484BF91C-161E-46B9-A9BF-CBE4FA7C863E@suspicious.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Truman Boyes Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 09:34:49 +1200 To: Mohammed Shahnawaz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:28:12 -0400 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org, mpls@uu.net, mpls-ops@mplsrc.com Subject: [mpls] Re: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Mohammed, PWE3 technology is for creation of pseudowires in MPLS domains. Basically, the PE devices in your MPLS domain will terminate and carry the "circuit" through to another PE where the circuit tail will proceed to a CE device. QinQ is double 802.1q tagged Ethernet frames. VPLS is a MPLS technology where you have a multipoint to multipoint communication method for Ethernet technologies. It basically creates a large virtual lan switch across a MPLS network. How are these items related? Well, they all use MPLS, and they all relate to layer 2 transport. Sometimes on PWE3 and VPLS networks you wish to carry QinQ ... best regards, Truman On 3/09/2007, at 1:01 AM, Mohammed Shahnawaz wrote: > > From: Mohammed Shahnawaz [mailto:mshahnawaz@huawei.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:23 AM > To: 'mpls-ops@mplsrc.com' > Subject: PWE3 > > > > Hi, > > > > Can someone please explain to me the PWE3 technology in a simple > way? Also, how do PWE3, QinQ & VPLS is interrelated? > > Is it possible to carry the TDM E1 over IP network using PWE3 tech? > > > > Kindly someone explain. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Shahnawaz > > > > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Sep 04 08:33:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXVv-0002bH-1m; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:28:15 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IS1pz-0002UO-W9 for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:38:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IS1pz-0002UG-Mj for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:38:51 -0400 Received: from dns.suspicious.org ([216.254.67.211]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IS1py-0005kF-E2 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:38:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.68] (125-239-47-216.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [125.239.47.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dns.suspicious.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD2A17C6D; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:38:47 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C05734915@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com> References: <001401c7ed61$6de84e20$9c49c40a@china.huawei.com><484BF91C-161E-46B9-A9BF-CBE4FA7C863E@suspicious.org> <86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C0573490E@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com> <86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C05734915@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Truman Boyes Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:39:36 +1200 To: "Mohamed, Liban [NTK]" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2857c5c041d6c02d7181d602c22822c8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:28:13 -0400 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org, mpls@uu.net, Mohammed Shahnawaz , mpls-ops@mplsrc.com Subject: [mpls] Re: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Mohamed, I should have been more specific; I specified MPLS because the original question was around how these technologies related to MPLS. Thanks, Truman On 3/09/2007, at 12:20 PM, Mohamed, Liban [NTK] wrote: > > Truman, > > PWE3 is not MPLS specific technology, PWE3 encapsulation uses IP > (both version), L2TP, and MPLS. It basically emulates L2, QinQ, and > VPLS requires MPLS, where PWE3 works with IP backbone using L2TP. > Yes it is possible to carry the TDM E1 with PWE3, this is great > technology, it allows SP's to offer legacy technology such us Frame- > Relay/ATM with the existing IP backbone, so PWE3 will emulate > Ethernet/FR-RELAY/ATM where you can assign VC ID and build a > tunnel, We use L2TPv3 > > Mohamed, > > Let me know if you need more info, unicast me and I will be happy > to provide you more info > > Thanks, > > Liban Mohamed > NTAC-IP > Sprint/Nextel > www.sprint.net > liban.mohamed@sprint.com > (W) 678-291-3438 > (PCS) 404-441-9701 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Truman Boyes [mailto:truman@suspicious.org] > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:35 PM > To: Mohammed Shahnawaz > Cc: mpls-ops@mplsrc.com; mpls@uu.net; mpls@lists.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 > > Hi Mohammed, > > PWE3 technology is for creation of pseudowires in MPLS domains. > Basically, the PE devices in your MPLS domain will terminate and > carry the "circuit" through to another PE where the circuit tail will > proceed to a CE device. > > QinQ is double 802.1q tagged Ethernet frames. > > VPLS is a MPLS technology where you have a multipoint to multipoint > communication method for Ethernet technologies. It basically creates > a large virtual lan switch across a MPLS network. > > How are these items related? Well, they all use MPLS, and they all > relate to layer 2 transport. Sometimes on PWE3 and VPLS networks you > wish to carry QinQ ... > > best regards, > Truman > > > > On 3/09/2007, at 1:01 AM, Mohammed Shahnawaz wrote: > >> >> From: Mohammed Shahnawaz [mailto:mshahnawaz@huawei.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:23 AM >> To: 'mpls-ops@mplsrc.com' >> Subject: PWE3 >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Can someone please explain to me the PWE3 technology in a simple >> way? Also, how do PWE3, QinQ & VPLS is interrelated? >> >> Is it possible to carry the TDM E1 over IP network using PWE3 tech? >> >> >> >> Kindly someone explain. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Shahnawaz >> >> >> >> > > ------- > The MPLS-OPS Mailing List > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.mplsrc.com/mplsops.shtml > Archive: http://www.mplsrc.com/mpls-ops_archive.shtml > > > > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Sep 04 08:49:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXlF-0008SU-0E; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:44:05 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXlD-0008SN-15 for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:44:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXlC-0008Rc-NM for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:44:02 -0400 Received: from mail.mtncameroon.net ([196.202.232.245] helo=mtnhsrv02.corp.mtncameroon.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISXlA-0008T1-64 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:44:02 -0400 Received: from hodsrv03.corp.mtncameroon.net ([10.253.8.86]) by mtnhsrv02.corp.mtncameroon.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:43:51 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:43:48 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Urgent Information requested thread-index: Acfu7/o8w9GNCHCBQ9mij/k0uLih/AAAMk/g X-Priority: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: high References: <001401c7ed61$6de84e20$9c49c40a@china.huawei.com><484BF91C-161E-46B9-A9BF-CBE4FA7C863E@suspicious.org><86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C0573490E@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com><86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C05734915@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com> From: "Aline Flore Jounewe [ MTNCameroon Infrastructure Planning - MTN House ]" To: , , X-NAIMIME-Disclaimer: 1 X-NAIMIME-Modified: 1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2007 12:43:51.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EC0A4D0:01C7EEF1] X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: Subject: [mpls] Urgent Information requested X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi all! 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_______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Sep 04 09:15:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISYAi-0006J3-9m; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:10:24 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ISYAg-0006Ih-Fy for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:10:22 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISYAg-0006IZ-6J for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:10:22 -0400 Received: from poison.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.106]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ISYAe-0000iM-Q1 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:10:22 -0400 Received: from [75.131.205.229] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by poison.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ISYAS-00064l-30; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:10:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C0573490E@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com> References: <001401c7ed61$6de84e20$9c49c40a@china.huawei.com> <484BF91C-161E-46B9-A9BF-CBE4FA7C863E@suspicious.org> <86CFD002ACED554789355FBE569ED15C0573490E@PLSWB12C.ad.sprint.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Phil Bedard Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:10:05 -0400 To: "Mohamed, Liban [NTK]" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: eb8212ccd47acc465a752383f42c064374bf435c0eb9d4785332c537dfa4e54a408a677ca2eb8c8ffe517c6aaed3d5ab350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 75.131.205.229 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b22590c27682ace61775ee7b453b40d3 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org, mpls@uu.net, Truman Boyes , Mohammed Shahnawaz , mpls-ops@mplsrc.com X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org VPLS is a client of an underlying PWE3 pseudowire network, which as you said can be built using GRE, L2TPv3, or MPLS. VPLS is not dependent on an IP/MPLS network being in place and there are vendors that implement fairly decent VPLS solutions (Alcatel for one) that can be completely run over IP/GRE. RFC3985 describes VPLS architectures. RFC4761 and RFC4762 describe the setup of a VPLS network using either targeted LDP or BGP as the signaling method. Phil On Sep 2, 2007, at 8:15 PM, Mohamed, Liban [NTK] wrote: > Truman, > > PWE3 is not MPLS specific technology, PWE3 encapsulation uses IP > (both version), L2TP, and MPLS. It basically emulates L2, QinQ, and > VPLS requires MPLS, where PWE3 works with IP backbone using L2TP. > Yes it is possible to carry the TDM E1 with PWE3, this is great > technology, it allows SP's to offer legacy technology such us Frame- > Relay/ATM with the existing IP backbone, so PWE3 will emulate > Ethernet/FR-RELAY/ATM where you can assign VC ID and build a > tunnel, We use L2TPv3 > > Mohamed, > > Let me know if you need more info, unicast me and I will be happy > to provide you more info > > Thanks, > > Liban Mohamed > NTAC-IP > Sprint/Nextel > www.sprint.net > liban.mohamed@sprint.com > (W) 678-291-3438 > (PCS) 404-441-9701 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Truman Boyes [mailto:truman@suspicious.org] > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:35 PM > To: Mohammed Shahnawaz > Cc: mpls-ops@mplsrc.com; mpls@uu.net; mpls@lists.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [MPLS-OPS]: FW: PWE3 > > Hi Mohammed, > > PWE3 technology is for creation of pseudowires in MPLS domains. > Basically, the PE devices in your MPLS domain will terminate and > carry the "circuit" through to another PE where the circuit tail will > proceed to a CE device. > > QinQ is double 802.1q tagged Ethernet frames. > > VPLS is a MPLS technology where you have a multipoint to multipoint > communication method for Ethernet technologies. It basically creates > a large virtual lan switch across a MPLS network. > > How are these items related? Well, they all use MPLS, and they all > relate to layer 2 transport. Sometimes on PWE3 and VPLS networks you > wish to carry QinQ ... > > best regards, > Truman > > > > On 3/09/2007, at 1:01 AM, Mohammed Shahnawaz wrote: > >> >> From: Mohammed Shahnawaz [mailto:mshahnawaz@huawei.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:23 AM >> To: 'mpls-ops@mplsrc.com' >> Subject: PWE3 >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Can someone please explain to me the PWE3 technology in a simple >> way? 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Hi MPLSers,

I was confused by some description about Hop count TLV in RFC3036/rfc3036bis.

Section 2.8.1. Label Request Message, says:
 
      -  The Label Request message MUST include a Hop Count TLV.
Section 2.8.2. Label Mapping Message, says:
   -  R MUST include a Hop Count TLV.
 
Section 3.4.4. Hop Count TLV, says:
   The Hop Count TLV appears as an optional field in messages that setup LSPs.  It calculates the number of LSR hops along an LSP as the  LSP is being setup.

 

If My understanding is correct, the Hop Count TLV will only be carried in Label Request Message and Label Mapping Message, so the question is how to understand the Hop count TLV is “optional” and “MUST” be included in Label Request/Mapping message? Thanks!

 

Best regards,

Mach Chen

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 07:37:49 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c7f06d$1e1f55a0$4f0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] A question about Hop count TLV? Thread-Index: AcfwbR2SF8wIjmSQT2q9TYVOIYfT2QADMaEw From: "Bob Thomas \(rhthomas\)" To: "Mach Chen" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 11:37:51.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B7F6360:01C7F07A] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=35358; t=1189078671; x=1189942671; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=rhthomas@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Bob=20Thomas=20\(rhthomas\)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[mpls]=20A=20question=20about=20Hop=20count=20TLV? |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Mach=20Chen=22=20,=20; bh=5u7SNBLCtXdkjpFWXpD9dE7IZ02IHitCJGqpc0ngDUg=; b=0LHlWGPVMeF1gKE4YlHKwM8bQCdLu/ldDjVXI8Gg2l1W4lgFTSOTZGdJ5mB5PJC2Jvw04wae EXWp3YB/x8722ph59Xd5RbCsS8eEukdFRR5SmfdMSbA7SLOYPizXzZHN; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=rhthomas@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 91a4853b4617d3c1ce94290cc3eeb886 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1785544087==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1785544087== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F07A.5B2156F5" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F07A.5B2156F5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mach, =20 Section 2.8 describes the LDP loop detection mechanism which requires use of the Hop Count TLV. The Hop Count TLV is optional when LDP loop detection is not in use. =20 Bob ________________________________ From: Mach Chen [mailto:mach@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 6:03 AM To: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] A question about Hop count TLV? =09 =09 Hi MPLSers, I was confused by some description about Hop count TLV in RFC3036/rfc3036bis. Section 2.8.1. Label Request Message, says: =20 - The Label Request message MUST include a Hop Count TLV. Section 2.8.2. Label Mapping Message, says: - R MUST include a Hop Count TLV. =20 Section 3.4.4. Hop Count TLV, says: The Hop Count TLV appears as an optional field in messages that setup LSPs. It calculates the number of LSR hops along an LSP as the LSP is being setup. =20 If My understanding is correct, the Hop Count TLV will only be carried in Label Request Message and Label Mapping Message, so the question is how to understand the Hop count TLV is "optional" and "MUST" be included in Label Request/Mapping message? Thanks! =20 Best regards, Mach Chen ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F07A.5B2156F5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mach,
 
Section 2.8 describes the LDP loop detection = mechanism=20 which requires use of the Hop Count TLV.  The Hop Count TLV is = optional=20 when LDP loop detection is not in use.
 
Bob

From: Mach Chen = [mailto:mach@huawei.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 6:03 AM
To:=20 mpls@ietf.org
Subject: [mpls] A question about Hop count=20 TLV?

Hi=20 MPLSers,

I was = confused=20 by some description about Hop count TLV in=20 RFC3036/rfc3036bis.

Section =
2.8.1. Label =
Request Message, says:
 
      -  The Label Request message =
MUST include =
a Hop Count TLV.
Section 2.8.2. Label Mapping Message, =
says:
   -  R MUST include a Hop Count =
TLV.
 
Section 3.4.4. Hop Count TLV, =
says:
   The =
Hop Count TLV appears as an optional field in messages that setup LSPs.  It =
calculates the number of LSR hops along an LSP as the  LSP is being =
setup.

 

If My=20 understanding is correct, the Hop Count TLV will only be carried in = Label=20 Request Message and Label Mapping Message, so the question is how to=20 understand the Hop count TLV is “optional” and=20 “MUST” be = included in=20 Label Request/Mapping message? Thanks!

 

Best=20 regards,

Mach=20 Chen

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H= i Bob,

<= o:p> 

B= ut if a LSR enable loop detection, but its peer may not support Loop Detection = (I found some vendor=A1=AFs implement does not support Loop Detection), means the = peer does not recognize the Hop Count TLV,  such condition will result in = failing to setup LSPs between such two LSRS. Is it reasonable?  Since no LSP = will be setup between such two LSRs,  there is no need to establish a LDP session between such two LSRs. Am I right ?

<= o:p> 

W= hy not a LSR negotiates the Hop Count TLV =A1=B0capability=A1=B1 with its peer, = just like Path Vector TLV does (D bit)? Or Is there should be a mechanism that could = help a LSR  to know its peers whether support Loop detection during session establishment ? =  

<= o:p> 

<= o:p> 

M= ach

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Bob Thomas (rhthomas) [mailto:rhthomas@cisco.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2007=C4=EA9=D4=C26=C8=D5 = 19:38
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Mach Chen; = mpls@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [mpls] A question about Hop count TLV?

 

Hi = Mach,

 

Section = 2.8 describes the LDP loop detection mechanism which requires use of the Hop = Count TLV.  The Hop Count TLV is optional when LDP loop detection is not = in use.

 

Bob

 

From: Mach = Chen [mailto:mach@huawei.com]
Sent: Thursday, September = 06, 2007 6:03 AM
To: mpls@ietf.org
Subject: [mpls] A = question about Hop count TLV?

Hi = MPLSers,

I was confused by some = description about Hop count TLV in RFC3036/rfc3036bis.

Section 2.8.1. Label Request Message, =
says:
 
      -  The =
Label Request message MUST include a Hop =
Count TLV.
Section 2.8.2. Label Mapping Message, =
says:
   -  R MUST include a Hop Count =
TLV.
 
Section 3.4.4. Hop Count TLV, =
says:
   The Hop Count TLV appears as an =
optional field in =
messages that setup LSPs.  It calculates the number of LSR hops =
along an LSP as the  LSP is being =
setup.

 =

If My understanding is = correct, the Hop Count TLV will only be carried in Label Request Message and Label = Mapping Message, so the question is how to understand the Hop count TLV is = =A1=B0optional=A1=B1 and =A1=B0MUST=A1=B1 be included in Label Request/Mapping = message? Thanks!

 =

Best = regards,

Mach Chen

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Hi MPLSers,

 

Here are two I-Ds which describe extensions to the OSPF Traffic Engineering (OSPF-TE) and ISIS Traffic Engineering (ISIS-TE) mechanisms to support (G)MPLS Traffic Engineering for multiple Autonomous Systems (ASes), respectively. They define OSPF-TE and ISIS-TE extensions for the flooding of TE information about inter-AS TE links which can be used to perform inter-AS TE path computation.

 

You could reach them by the following links:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas-te-extension-01.txt

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-chen-ccamp-isis-interas-te-extension-01.txt

 

I’d like to ask you to comment on the CCAMP list, thanks!

 

Best regards,

Mach

 

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Ross Callon; Seisho Yasukawa > Subject: [mpls] Poll to make=20 > draft-yasukawa-mpls-scaling-analysis-04.txt an MPLS working=20 > group document >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > at the meeting in Chicago Adrian presented >=20 > draft-yasukawa-mpls-scaling-analysis-04.txt >=20 > the reaction generally was that this is good and useful > work, the authors did not request that the document should > be adopted as a working group document >=20 > there were some discussion about whether it should become > a working document, it was agreed that wg co-chairs and > authors should sort this out. >=20 > At this point we would therefore want to ask the working > group if there is support to make this a working group > document. yes - support (would be good that authors look at minutes for improving next release) > The authors has also suggested that ti should be adopted > under the name: > draft-ietf-mpls-te-scaling-analysis-00.txt > to better reflect the content of the document. yes - more appropriate than initial name. -d. > Please send your comments to the working group mailing list. >=20 > /Loa >=20 > --=20 > Loa Andersson >=20 > Principal Networking Architect > Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 > Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 > Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se > loa@pi.se >=20 > This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway.=20 > http://www.astaro.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sat Sep 08 05:12:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITwKJ-0006u4-Gm; 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There are a couple of areas that still need work, but I thought that it was appropriate to share it with the WGs at this stage to gather feedback on how well it addresses the concerns raised at the LC. The areas that I think need work are: 1) The references to BFD, which is waiting on a draft by Tom and Carlos to describe running BFD over VCCV 2) The description of OAM on the MPLS PSN. We should say something in the control plane present case. Do we need to say anything more in the externally configured case. There will be another version before the authors ask for a second WG LC, meanwhile any review comments on the rest of the text will allow us to move forward a little faster. Regards Stewart _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Sep 10 08:49:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUifS-0004vI-1b; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:47:06 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IUifQ-0004uw-Gh for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:47:04 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUifQ-0004uh-6y for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:47:04 -0400 Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com ([209.73.179.141]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUifP-0003wi-0f for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:47:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 90802 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2007 12:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO AMALIS.verizon.net) (agmalis@verizon.net@132.197.25.43 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2007 12:47:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KaLoE9IVM1m6aopR9cSqPo3NjATzw8y9Im5JmGOj.1efdvKV X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:47:00 -0400 To: stbryant@cisco.com From: "Andrew G. Malis" In-Reply-To: <46E52B78.6090804@cisco.com> References: <46E52B78.6090804@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Message-Id: Cc: mpls@ietf.org, pwe3 Subject: [mpls] Re: [PWE3] draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-transport-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Stewart, Did you include any reference to our plans to produce a more general MPLS PW approach in the future, to remove the reliance on physical Ethernet ports and the Ethernet header in the data path? Thanks, Andy At 9/10/2007 12:33 PM +0100, Stewart Bryant wrote: >I just submitted draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-transport-01.txt > >This addresses the comments that we received during last call. >There are a couple of areas that still need work, but I thought that it >was appropriate to share it with the WGs at this stage to gather feedback >on how well it addresses the concerns raised at the LC. > >The areas that I think need work are: > >1) The references to BFD, which is waiting on a draft by Tom and Carlos >to describe running BFD over VCCV > >2) The description of OAM on the MPLS PSN. We should say something >in the control plane present case. Do we need to say anything more >in the externally configured case. > >There will be another version before the authors ask for a second WG LC, >meanwhile any review comments on the rest of the text will allow us >to move forward a little faster. > >Regards > >Stewart _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Sep 10 08:55:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUimM-0000Nt-BB; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:54:14 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IUimL-0000Na-0c for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:54:13 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUimK-0000MX-DK; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:54:12 -0400 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUimJ-00048S-5X; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:54:12 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,231,1186351200"; d="scan'208";a="152699158" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Sep 2007 14:54:12 +0200 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l8ACs9Qm014989; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:54:09 +0200 Received: from dhcp-gpk02-vlan300-64-103-65-13.cisco.com (dhcp-gpk02-vlan300-64-103-65-13.cisco.com [64.103.65.13]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l8ACs5EN017272; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:54:05 GMT Message-ID: <46E53E6E.80704@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:54:06 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrew G. Malis" References: <46E52B78.6090804@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1222; t=1189428849; x=1190292849; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=stbryant@cisco.com; z=From:=20Stewart=20Bryant=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[PWE3]=20draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-transport-01.txt |Sender:=20; bh=/lqB8gfkuA1xI1fz9DxJVbzW7mLfi4iuVoq3dRRARgU=; b=AEZpZP2gKBU7x0B8DjJrUy/2hLTfFv1ZgaofVjcKQKD6uADSzrglJkos7vbn1lCoGe3iYTm/ HqMRMi9swotK1rA4KO7/4f67A0ZiH+WuT0t2g7/aoP9+7ms8O4vVSLML; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=stbryant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: mpls@ietf.org, pwe3 Subject: [mpls] Re: [PWE3] draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-transport-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stbryant@cisco.com List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Andrew G. Malis wrote: > Stewart, > > Did you include any reference to our plans to produce a more general MPLS PW approach in the future, to remove the reliance on physical Ethernet ports and the Ethernet header in the data path? > > Thanks, > Andy > Here is an extract from the introduction. The operator community has identified the need for the transparent carriage of the MPLS network of one party over the MPLS network of another party. This document describes one IETF-recommended mechanism to satisfy this requirement using the existing RFC4448 [RFC4448] PWE3 Ethernet pseudowire standard. The mechanism described here fulfills the requirements liaised to the IETF PWE3 working group by the ITU: - [1]and [2]. The key purpose of this document is to demonstrate that there is an existing IETF-recommended mechanism that satisfies the requirements posed by the operator community. It is recognised that it is possible to design a more efficient method of satisfying the requirement, and the IETF anticipates that improved solutions will be proposed in the future. If anyone knows how to do an electronic post I will do so the draft can be seen today (pls unicast). 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It should include all comments received so far, so please let me know if = I forgot one/some. Additional comments are also welcomed. Regards, Bruno -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org]=20 Envoy=E9=A0: mardi 31 juillet 2007 18:15 =C0=A0: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc=A0: mpls@lists.ietf.org Objet=A0: [mpls] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-interarea-00.txt=20 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=20 directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working = Group of the IETF. Title : LDP extension for Inter-Area LSP=20 Author(s) : B. Decraene, et al. 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The answer is yes Isagani Rouleau http://www.mehrizat.net/ From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Sep 11 07:09:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IV3aO-0007Zo-3M; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:07:16 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IV2F8-0000Hz-K7 for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:41:14 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IV2F7-0000Hb-Uj; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:41:14 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.170] helo=mgw-ext11.nokia.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IV2F7-0006ox-DI; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:41:13 -0400 Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-ext11.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l8B9exGt004951; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:41:11 +0300 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:40:48 +0300 Received: from mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com ([172.21.143.96]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:40:46 +0300 Received: from [172.21.37.167] (esdhcp037167.research.nokia.com [172.21.37.167]) by mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l8B9ejgi003200; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:40:45 +0300 In-Reply-To: <46DECF4D.9080006@ericsson.com> References: <46AF4DB6.6000304@ericsson.com> <46DECF4D.9080006@ericsson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <4B38544B-D006-4110-90A3-39B13836090C@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:40:40 +0300 To: draft-ietf-tsvwg-ecn-mpls@tools.ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2007 09:40:46.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[D45C4F60:01C7F457] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:07:14 -0400 Cc: mpls@ietf.org, tsvwg WG Subject: [mpls] AD review: draft-ietf-tsvwg-ecn-mpls X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1562984882==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org --===============1562984882== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-62-743043145; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-62-743043145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, I reviewed draft-ietf-tsvwg-ecn-mpls, and think it is ready to move to IETF last call, modulo a resolution to some small issues: (1) Section 8.3 doesn't really discuss an "example use", which is what the title of Section 8 is. Suggest to cut it or move the content elsewhere. (2) I'd make sense to swap Sections 8 and 9, i.e., discuss deployment considerations before example uses. (3) My recollection was that there was an agreement to move the discussion of how one would use this to support PCN to an appendix. Some of this has happened, but Section 8.4 still exist in the main body of the document, and is longer than all the other example uses. I suggest to replace the content of Section 8.4 with a pointer to the appendix, and move the PCN details there. (4) Can the reference to [Briscoe] be made more concrete, i.e., can it point at something that people can actually get at? 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Before I respond to them, I wanted to mention one change that Bob and I want to make in the next revision in addition to the changes you request. It is just a small point of clarification, but we don't want to surprise anyone. The proposed new text, which would appear at the end of Section 6, is included below: We note that in a network where L-LSPs are used, ECN marking SHOULD NOT cause packets from the same microflow but with different ECN markings to be sent on different LSPs. As discussed in [RFC3270], packets of a single microflow should always travel on the same LSP to avoid possible misordering. Thus, ECN marking of packets on L-LSPs SHOULD only affect the EXP value of the packets. ----- Now to your comments On Sep 11, 2007, at 5:40 AM, Lars Eggert wrote: > Hi, > > I reviewed draft-ietf-tsvwg-ecn-mpls, and think it is ready to move > to IETF last call, modulo a resolution to some small issues: > > (1) Section 8.3 doesn't really discuss an "example use", which is > what the title of Section 8 is. Suggest to cut it or move the > content elsewhere. In my mind, section 8.3 is an example of how you can use ECN in MPLS networks. I think the problem here is that we didn't say enough to make that apparent. At the same time, I don't really see any harm in dropping the section. > > (2) I'd make sense to swap Sections 8 and 9, i.e., discuss > deployment considerations before example uses. No problem. > > (3) My recollection was that there was an agreement to move the > discussion of how one would use this to support PCN to an appendix. > Some of this has happened, but Section 8.4 still exist in the main > body of the document, and is longer than all the other example > uses. I suggest to replace the content of Section 8.4 with a > pointer to the appendix, and move the PCN details there. We certainly moved all the protocol details around PCN support to an appendix as previously agreed. I have no problem moving most of this section to an appendix too. > > (4) Can the reference to [Briscoe] be made more concrete, i.e., can > it point at something that people can actually get at? > Of course. The internet draft to which we were referring did not exist at the time of the last draft, but now it does: draft-briscoe- tsvwg-ecn-tunnel-00.txt will be the new reference. 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Before I respond to them, I wanted to >mention one change that Bob and I want to make in the next revision >in addition to the changes you request. It is just a small point of >clarification, but we don't want to surprise anyone. The proposed new >text, which would appear at the end of Section 6, is included below: > >We note that in a network where L-LSPs are used, ECN marking SHOULD >NOT cause packets from the same microflow but with different ECN >markings to be sent on different LSPs. As discussed in [RFC3270], >packets of a single microflow should always travel on the same LSP to >avoid possible misordering. Thus, ECN marking of packets on L-LSPs >SHOULD only affect the EXP value of the packets. > >----- >Now to your comments > >On Sep 11, 2007, at 5:40 AM, Lars Eggert wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>I reviewed draft-ietf-tsvwg-ecn-mpls, and think it is ready to move >>to IETF last call, modulo a resolution to some small issues: >> >>(1) Section 8.3 doesn't really discuss an "example use", which is >>what the title of Section 8 is. Suggest to cut it or move the >>content elsewhere. > >In my mind, section 8.3 is an example of how you can use ECN in MPLS >networks. I think the problem here is that we didn't say enough to >make that apparent. At the same time, I don't really see any harm in >dropping the section. > >> >>(2) I'd make sense to swap Sections 8 and 9, i.e., discuss >>deployment considerations before example uses. > >No problem. > >> >>(3) My recollection was that there was an agreement to move the >>discussion of how one would use this to support PCN to an appendix. >>Some of this has happened, but Section 8.4 still exist in the main >>body of the document, and is longer than all the other example >>uses. I suggest to replace the content of Section 8.4 with a >>pointer to the appendix, and move the PCN details there. > >We certainly moved all the protocol details around PCN support to an >appendix as previously agreed. I have no problem moving most of this >section to an appendix too. > >> >>(4) Can the reference to [Briscoe] be made more concrete, i.e., can >>it point at something that people can actually get at? > >Of course. 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Before I respond to them, I wanted to > mention one change that Bob and I want to make in the next revision > in addition to the changes you request. It is just a small point of > clarification, but we don't want to surprise anyone. The proposed > new text, which would appear at the end of Section 6, is included > below: > > We note that in a network where L-LSPs are used, ECN marking SHOULD > NOT cause packets from the same microflow but with different ECN > markings to be sent on different LSPs. As discussed in [RFC3270], > packets of a single microflow should always travel on the same LSP > to avoid possible misordering. Thus, ECN marking of packets on L- > LSPs SHOULD only affect the EXP value of the packets. thanks for the heads-up. This clarification seems fine to me. (I'm cutting things from your reply that I agree with.) > On Sep 11, 2007, at 5:40 AM, Lars Eggert wrote: >> (1) Section 8.3 doesn't really discuss an "example use", which is >> what the title of Section 8 is. Suggest to cut it or move the >> content elsewhere. > > In my mind, section 8.3 is an example of how you can use ECN in > MPLS networks. I think the problem here is that we didn't say > enough to make that apparent. At the same time, I don't really see > any harm in dropping the section. I'd prefer clarifying the example over removing it. If that's doable, great. >> (3) My recollection was that there was an agreement to move the >> discussion of how one would use this to support PCN to an >> appendix. Some of this has happened, but Section 8.4 still exist >> in the main body of the document, and is longer than all the other >> example uses. I suggest to replace the content of Section 8.4 with >> a pointer to the appendix, and move the PCN details there. > > We certainly moved all the protocol details around PCN support to > an appendix as previously agreed. I have no problem moving most of > this section to an appendix too. I'm not saying you should move all of it. Leave a sentence or two in Section 8.4, but move more of the details to the appendix. My basic concern was that there is still a lot of emphasis on the PCN usage example compared to the other ones, which could make it look as if PCN was _the_ intended usage, instead of one possible use case. (I might be nitpicking here. If so, feel free to let me know.) I tagged this as "Revised ID Needed" in the tracker. I fully expect the next revision that fixes these nits to directly go to IETF last call. 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Good catch. It is my oversight when making some changes in the figure. Your suggested text is very good. We'll reflect this change in the 01 version. Thanks, Luyuan -----Original Message----- From: Neil Thomson [mailto:nthomson@csc.com]=20 Sent: 14 September 2007 04:08 To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Re: review -draft-ietf-mpls-mpls-and-gmpls-security-framework-00.txt Good Morning Re: draft-ietf-mpls-mpls-and-gmpls-security-framework-00.txt In Section 3, Security Reference Models (extract is shown below), it states that the ASBR of the given AS is marked with a "B" in Figure 2. Please note that in Figure 2, none of the ASBRs shown are marked with a "B", actually, it is the MPLS/GMPLS Network Provider that is identified with a "B". "In principle, the trusted zones should be separate; however, typically MPLS core networks also offer Internet access, in which case a transit point (marked with "XXX" in Figure 1) is defined. 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boundary="===============1749079577==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org --===============1749079577== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25391_23033834.1190283420250" ------=_Part_25391_23033834.1190283420250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes Sunil, it appears it is misconfiguration and the operator at router R2 will have to reconfigure the hello and hold times. regards, Shilpa On 9/19/07, sunil wrote: > > Hi > > If two routers are configured with ldp hello times as > > R1 - hello 1sec and hold time 3 sec > > R2 - hello 4 sec and hold time 12 sec > > What should be the negotiated hold time among them > > According to rfc the negotiated should be minimum of the two hold values > The min value is 3, if hold time of 3 is considered then does ldp session > doesn't comesup, bcz R2 sends hellos every 4 sec and R1 hold expires every 3 > sec. > > Is it misconfiguration?? > > > > Thanks > ------=_Part_25391_23033834.1190283420250 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes Sunil, it appears it is misconfiguration and the operator at router R2 will have to reconfigure the hello and hold times.

    regards,
    Shilpa


    On 9/19/07, sunil <sunilc@ipinfusion.com> wrote:

    Hi

    If two routers are configured with ldp hello times as

    R1 - hello 1sec and hold time 3 sec

    R2 - hello 4 sec and hold time 12 sec

    What should be the negotiated hold time among them

    According to rfc the negotiated should be minimum of the two hold values
    The min value is 3, if hold time of 3 is considered then does ldp session doesn't comesup, bcz R2 sends hellos every 4 sec and R1 hold expires every 3 sec.

    Is it misconfiguration??

     

    Thanks


    ------=_Part_25391_23033834.1190283420250-- --===============1749079577== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============1749079577==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Sep 20 06:24:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYJ6E-0006pp-Rf; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:17:34 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IYJ6C-0006mg-AN for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:17:32 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYJ6C-0006mX-00 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:17:32 -0400 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.186]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYJ65-0000Db-Ln for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:17:31 -0400 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id z22so504914fkz for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:17:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=yG8mT0Unq+ShgNtfMmEEvqvqu5vyWGTypst+Uh6TqTo=; b=ICsT+gTutlbGfv7ej1iuqwHBSXWxLc1S8ablAB64HTsfSCel546VRur8sGMV8cwV7WNg4dlGaev5xoM6wF8mSOfUwL0MaiZlusIF6WQscq3QqDYqMJEQ1KWjfDGnpFqK/MqWhGfeM9Y+yv0cZgBDec0dN1Jali9pJrgnNc9a0Ws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=unJ0bFGn8NerdOSbkIE25oQZnWqOfxzibO1K+L1Yn9GE1DXSsMwTYeuBGIju1i59l777l/wAnBUCnFp5cHdiB8h6RwnG0K9vPKB3RDD7PBJ23gBiOqXaCxjhwesqzy5vDZdCmxiJvXaSaWiTQypw03bJCOAnjm4x/FO4i+V1InI= Received: by 10.82.183.19 with SMTP id g19mr364541buf.1190283420254; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.158.18 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:47:00 +0530 From: "shilpa goel" To: mpls-ops@mplsrc.com, mpls@lists.ietf.org, mpls@uu.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <05a501c7fa5d$e57e2320$b1030a0a@sunilcgx620> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: Subject: [mpls] [MPLS-OPS]: ldp hello hold timer question X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1463589504==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org --===============1463589504== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25391_23033834.1190283420250" ------=_Part_25391_23033834.1190283420250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes Sunil, it appears it is misconfiguration and the operator at router R2 will have to reconfigure the hello and hold times. regards, Shilpa On 9/19/07, sunil wrote: > > Hi > > If two routers are configured with ldp hello times as > > R1 - hello 1sec and hold time 3 sec > > R2 - hello 4 sec and hold time 12 sec > > What should be the negotiated hold time among them > > According to rfc the negotiated should be minimum of the two hold values > The min value is 3, if hold time of 3 is considered then does ldp session > doesn't comesup, bcz R2 sends hellos every 4 sec and R1 hold expires every 3 > sec. > > Is it misconfiguration?? > > > > Thanks > ------=_Part_25391_23033834.1190283420250 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes Sunil, it appears it is misconfiguration and the operator at router R2 will have to reconfigure the hello and hold times.

    regards,
    Shilpa


    On 9/19/07, sunil <sunilc@ipinfusion.com> wrote:

    Hi

    If two routers are configured with ldp hello times as

    R1 - hello 1sec and hold time 3 sec

    R2 - hello 4 sec and hold time 12 sec

    What should be the negotiated hold time among them

    According to rfc the negotiated should be minimum of the two hold values
    The min value is 3, if hold time of 3 is considered then does ldp session doesn't comesup, bcz R2 sends hellos every 4 sec and R1 hold expires every 3 sec.

    Is it misconfiguration??

     

    Thanks


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    On 9/20/07, Ramesh Huliyar <ramhuliyar@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
    Hello Sunil,

    Yes, the hold time is considered the minimum of the two values. Similarly, the hello will become 1/3 of the minimum hold time. So, in the below given example, hold time will be 3 secs and hello will be 1 sec.

    Thanks
    Ramesh Huliyar


    shilpa goel <shilpa07@gmail.com > wrote:
    Yes Sunil, it appears it is misconfiguration and the operator at router R2 will have to reconfigure the hello and hold times.

    regards,
    Shilpa


    On 9/19/07, sunil < sunilc@ipinfusion.com> wrote:
    Hi
    If two routers are configured with ldp hello times as
    R1 - hello 1sec and hold time 3 sec
    R2 - hello 4 sec and hold time 12 sec
    What should be the negotiated hold time among them
    According to rfc the negotiated should be minimum of the two hold values
    The min value is 3, if hold time of 3 is considered then does ldp session doesn't comesup, bcz R2 sends hellos every 4 sec and R1 hold expires every 3 sec.
    Is it misconfiguration??
     
    Thanks

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As per my understanding, RFC 3036 only recommends this but doesn't enforce it. On 9/20/07, Ramesh Huliyar wrote: > > Hello Sunil, > > Yes, the hold time is considered the minimum of the two values. Similarly, > the hello will become 1/3 of the minimum hold time. So, in the below given > example, hold time will be 3 secs and hello will be 1 sec. > > Thanks > Ramesh Huliyar > > *shilpa goel * wrote: > > Yes Sunil, it appears it is misconfiguration and the operator at router R2 > will have to reconfigure the hello and hold times. > > regards, > Shilpa > > On 9/19/07, sunil wrote: > > > > Hi > > If two routers are configured with ldp hello times as > > R1 - hello 1sec and hold time 3 sec > > R2 - hello 4 sec and hold time 12 sec > > What should be the negotiated hold time among them > > According to rfc the negotiated should be minimum of the two hold values > > The min value is 3, if hold time of 3 is considered then does ldp > > session doesn't comesup, bcz R2 sends hellos every 4 sec and R1 hold expires > > every 3 sec. > > Is it misconfiguration?? > > > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > ------------------------------ > Bring your gang together - do your thing. Start your group. > > ------=_Part_29294_12989874.1190345725446 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Does hello time automatically become 1/3 of the minimum hold time (at Router R2 in the given example)? As per my understanding, RFC 3036 only recommends this but doesn't enforce it.

    On 9/20/07, Ramesh Huliyar <ramhuliyar@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
    Hello Sunil,

    Yes, the hold time is considered the minimum of the two values. Similarly, the hello will become 1/3 of the minimum hold time. So, in the below given example, hold time will be 3 secs and hello will be 1 sec.

    Thanks
    Ramesh Huliyar


    shilpa goel <shilpa07@gmail.com > wrote:
    Yes Sunil, it appears it is misconfiguration and the operator at router R2 will have to reconfigure the hello and hold times.

    regards,
    Shilpa


    On 9/19/07, sunil < sunilc@ipinfusion.com> wrote:
    Hi
    If two routers are configured with ldp hello times as
    R1 - hello 1sec and hold time 3 sec
    R2 - hello 4 sec and hold time 12 sec
    What should be the negotiated hold time among them
    According to rfc the negotiated should be minimum of the two hold values
    The min value is 3, if hold time of 3 is considered then does ldp session doesn't comesup, bcz R2 sends hellos every 4 sec and R1 hold expires every 3 sec.
    Is it misconfiguration??
     
    Thanks

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    mpls@lists.ietf.org
    https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls

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       Thanks in advance ------=_Part_31721_28038763.1190366028260-- --===============1876886508== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============1876886508==-- From figen@schule-mt.de Fri Sep 21 07:56:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYh73-00066e-Sj for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:56:02 -0400 Received: from acvi203.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl ([83.11.114.203]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYh6m-0000Eg-9I for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:55:56 -0400 Received: from dom-kqea72sto8f ([163.103.119.60]:6841 "EHLO dom-kqea72sto8f" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by acvi203.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl with ESMTP id S22TBFOSAHIGGFSP (ORCPT ); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:55:39 +0200 Message-ID: <42C67515.D4C06D2C@schule-mt.de> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:55:25 +0200 From: "figen bazaner" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: obilstem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Rumor News: Oncology Med. Inc. (OTC: ONCO) a Cancer Treatment Solutions Group is said to have experienced over a 1000% increase in revenues for the fiscal 3rd quarter ending July, 2007 compared with the prior year while fiscal fourth quarter results for 2007 are on track to exceed this year’s third quarter results. ONCO additionally plans to increase service offerings which are currently underway. Don’t wait for the news to come out and lose the opportunity to get in front of the general investing public. Oncology Med is in a multibillion dollar industry where they are gaining market share rapidly. Call your broker now for ONCO. From Rodney_Erskin@dsl51b78f20.pool.t-online.hu Fri Sep 21 10:39:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYjes-0005WK-Mo for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:39:06 -0400 Received: from [213.202.38.22] (helo=dyn-cust.63.38.202.213.quicknet.ch) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYjeo-0005Xy-OG for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:39:03 -0400 Received: from acer_sa85 ([116.173.144.140] helo=acer_sa85) by dyn-cust.63.38.202.213.quicknet.ch ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with esmtpa id 1vPKSJ-000ARL-WS for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:39:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c7fc5d$23e3fad0$3f26cad5@acersa85> From: "Rodney Erskin" To: Subject: etaxozne Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:38:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7FC6D.E76CCAD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7FC6D.E76CCAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rum_or N+e*w,s : On colo gy M+e d*. I,n*c+. (OTC+: ONC+O) a Cance'r T-reatm,ent = Solut'io-ns Gr+oup is s'a,i d to h a-v+e experience,,d o-v*e-r a 100,0% incr,e,ase in r evenu es f_o,r t,h'e = fis+cal 3*r_d qu*arter end+ing J.u l*y+, 2,0+0,7 compar 'ed w.i,t'h t,h-e pr'ior y-e a r whi_le fi.scal fourt*h = quar'ter result*s f+o_r 2-0 0,7 a r.e on trac+k to ex+ceed t-h*i-s yea r=92s t*hird quart*er re sults. O N*C'O additiona l-ly pl+ans to increa+s_e servi-ce offe'ring.s w hich = a,r,e current_.ly u nde+rway. Don=92_t w.a_i_t f o r t,h-e n,e*w's to c.o_m'e o,u_t a+n*d l-o-s*e = t,h*e opport' unity to g e,t in fron't of the g.eneral in.-vesting pub*lic. On+colo*gy M.e'd is in a multi,bill ion = dolla+r in d_ustry w'h_e'r_e t'h.e y a-r,e gainin,g ma+rket sha+re rapid+ly. C,a-l.l y.o_u-r b roker n_o_w f'o+r O N C.O-. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7FC6D.E76CCAD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Rum_or N+e*w,s :
    On colo gy M+e d*. I,n*c+. (OTC+: ONC+O) a = Cance'r=20 T-reatm,ent Solut'io-ns Gr+oup is s'a,i d to h a-v+e
    experience,,d o-v*e-r a 100,0% incr,e,ase in r = evenu es=20 f_o,r t,h'e fis+cal 3*r_d qu*arter end+ing J.u l*y+,
    2,0+0,7 compar 'ed w.i,t'h t,h-e pr'ior y-e a = r whi_le=20 fi.scal fourt*h quar'ter result*s f+o_r 2-0 0,7 a r.e on
    trac+k to ex+ceed t-h*i-s yea r=92s t*hird = quart*er re=20 sults.
    O N*C'O additiona l-ly pl+ans to increa+s_e = servi-ce=20 offe'ring.s w hich a,r,e current_.ly u nde+rway.
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    g.eneral in.-vesting pub*lic. On+colo*gy = M.e'd is in a=20 multi,bill ion dolla+r in d_ustry w'h_e'r_e
    t'h.e y a-r,e gainin,g ma+rket sha+re = rapid+ly.
    C,a-l.l y.o_u-r b roker n_o_w f'o+r O N C.O-. =
    ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7FC6D.E76CCAD0-- From Huang@atiusainc.com Fri Sep 21 10:43:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYjir-0008Vg-UD for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:43:13 -0400 Received: from m57.net81-65-190.noos.fr ([81.65.190.57]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYjij-0002jp-Jp for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:43:11 -0400 Received: from moronasantiago ([135.178.112.148] helo=moronasantiago) by [81.65.190.57] ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with esmtpa id 1eQsqC-000LED-yx for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:43:21 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c7fc5d$aa621060$39be4151@moronasantiago> From: "Huang Hindmarch" To: Subject: crag Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:42:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7FC6E.6DEAE060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7FC6E.6DEAE060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rumo*r N'e-w,s': O,n-cology M*e-d.. I,n,c-. (,OTC: O*NCO) a Can-cer Tr.eatme nt = Solutio__ns Gro_up is s+a i+d to h.a-v_e experie.nc.ed o,v*e+r a 10+00% incr_,ease in rev.e_nues f'o_r t+h-e = fisc_al 3'r'd quarte'r endi_ng J*u+l+y , 2+0,0_7 c -ompared w i_t+h t*h'e pr+ior y.e a.r wh_ile f.iscal four.th = qu.arter r,esults f,o'r 2,0'0_7 a+r.e on trac+k to e*xceed t+h'i_s ye.ar=92s thir_d quart'er results*. O_N C+O add.ition.ally p_lans to incre,a.se s.ervice o-fferin gs w.hich = a.r.e cu rre ntly un*d.erway. Do n=92t w*a i*t f.o r t_h+e n*e'w s to c*o.m e o.u*t a,n.d l o's+e = t.h*e op_por*tunity to g-e-t in fr*ont of the gener_al invest+i.ng publ*ic. O_nc.ology M'e_d is in a multi_b.illion = dol'lar in'dust-ry w.h-e-r.e t'h,e'y a r*e gai,ning mark'et s,hare rapid+ly. C,a*l-l y o'u,r bro-ker n.o'w f.o'r O*N_C_O'. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7FC6E.6DEAE060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Rumo*r N'e-w,s':
    O,n-cology M*e-d.. I,n,c-. (,OTC: O*NCO) a = Can-cer=20 Tr.eatme nt Solutio__ns Gro_up is s+a i+d to h.a-v_e
    experie.nc.ed o,v*e+r a 10+00% incr_,ease in = rev.e_nues=20 f'o_r t+h-e fisc_al 3'r'd quarte'r endi_ng J*u+l+y ,
    2+0,0_7 c -ompared w i_t+h t*h'e pr+ior y.e = a.r wh_ile=20 f.iscal four.th qu.arter r,esults f,o'r 2,0'0_7 a+r.e on
    trac+k to e*xceed t+h'i_s ye.ar=92s thir_d = quart'er=20 results*.
    O_N C+O add.ition.ally p_lans to incre,a.se = s.ervice=20 o-fferin gs w.hich a.r.e cu rre ntly un*d.erway.
    Do n=92t w*a i*t f.o r t_h+e n*e'w s to c*o.m = e o.u*t=20 a,n.d l o's+e t.h*e op_por*tunity to g-e-t in fr*ont of the
    gener_al invest+i.ng publ*ic. O_nc.ology = M'e_d is in a=20 multi_b.illion dol'lar in'dust-ry w.h-e-r.e
    t'h,e'y a r*e gai,ning mark'et s,hare = rapid+ly.
    C,a*l-l y o'u,r bro-ker n.o'w f.o'r O*N_C_O'.=20
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This is necessary for smooth operation of LDP. Thanks Ramesh Huliyar shilpa goel wrote: Does hello time automatically become 1/3 of the minimum hold time (at Router R2 in the given example)? As per my understanding, RFC 3036 only recommends this but doesn't enforce it. On 9/20/07, Ramesh Huliyar wrote: Hello Sunil, Yes, the hold time is considered the minimum of the two values. Similarly, the hello will become 1/3 of the minimum hold time. So, in the below given example, hold time will be 3 secs and hello will be 1 sec. Thanks Ramesh Huliyar shilpa goel wrote: Yes Sunil, it appears it is misconfiguration and the operator at router R2 will have to reconfigure the hello and hold times. regards, Shilpa On 9/19/07, sunil < sunilc@ipinfusion.com> wrote: Hi If two routers are configured with ldp hello times as R1 - hello 1sec and hold time 3 sec R2 - hello 4 sec and hold time 12 sec What should be the negotiated hold time among them According to rfc the negotiated should be minimum of the two hold values The min value is 3, if hold time of 3 is considered then does ldp session doesn't comesup, bcz R2 sends hellos every 4 sec and R1 hold expires every 3 sec. Is it misconfiguration?? Thanks _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --------------------------------- Bring your gang together - do your thing. 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    Yes, though RFC 3036 doesn't enforce it, most vendors implement it. This is necessary for smooth operation of LDP.

    Thanks
    Ramesh Huliyar

    shilpa goel <shilpa07@gmail.com> wrote:
    Does hello time automatically become 1/3 of the minimum hold time (at Router R2 in the given example)? As per my understanding, RFC 3036 only recommends this but doesn't enforce it.

    On 9/20/07, Ramesh Huliyar <ramhuliyar@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
    Hello Sunil,

    Yes, the hold time is considered the minimum of the two values. Similarly, the hello will become 1/3 of the minimum hold time. So, in the below given example, hold time will be 3 secs and hello will be 1 sec.

    Thanks
    Ramesh Huliyar


    shilpa goel <shilpa07@gmail.com > wrote:
    Yes Sunil, it appears it is misconfiguration and the operator at router R2 will have to reconfigure the hello and hold times.

    regards,
    Shilpa


    On 9/19/07, sunil < sunilc@ipinfusion.com> wrote:
    Hi
    If two routers are configured with ldp hello times as
    R1 - hello 1sec and hold time 3 sec
    R2 - hello 4 sec and hold time 12 sec
    What should be the negotiated hold time among them
    According to rfc the negotiated should be minimum of the two hold values
    The min value is 3, if hold time of 3 is considered then does ldp session doesn't comesup, bcz R2 sends hellos every 4 sec and R1 hold expires every 3 sec.
    Is it misconfiguration??
     
    Thanks

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It is a useful work. I agree the new document name is more appropriate. Kohei > Working Group, > > at the meeting in Chicago Adrian presented > > draft-yasukawa-mpls-scaling-analysis-04.txt > > the reaction generally was that this is good and useful > work, the authors did not request that the document should > be adopted as a working group document > > there were some discussion about whether it should become > a working document, it was agreed that wg co-chairs and > authors should sort this out. > > At this point we would therefore want to ask the working > group if there is support to make this a working group > document. > > The authors has also suggested that ti should be adopted > under the name: > draft-ietf-mpls-te-scaling-analysis-00.txt > to better reflect the content of the document. > > Please send your comments to the working group mailing list. > > /Loa > -- Kohei Shiomoto NTT Network Service Systems Laboratories 3-9-11 Midori, Musashino, Tokyo 180-8585, Japan Phone +81 422 59 4402 Fax +81 422 59 3787 ++++++++++++ Announcements +++++++++++++++++ Free online contents of "NTT Technical Review" including videos are now available on the registration. https://www.ntt-review.jp/ _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Sep 24 06:12:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZkrx-0001C1-Ae; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:08:49 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IZkrw-0001BY-8n for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:08:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZkrv-000197-U5 for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:08:47 -0400 Received: from heisenberg.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.141]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZkrp-0002Ds-I2 for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:08:47 -0400 Received: from [88.96.235.138] (helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IZkre-0002Mm-Kp for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:08:30 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([81.140.15.32] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:08:30 +0100 Message-ID: <026401c7fe92$dae37ad0$0200a8c0@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Loa Andersson" , References: <46F775D1.80608@pi.se> Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call fordraft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:08:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2007 10:08:30.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB532C90:01C7FE92] X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [88.96.235.138] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 225414c974e0d6437992164e91287a51 Cc: Ross Callon , David Ward X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Loa, Is this really the version that is ready for last call? The Abstract begins with "** UPDATE OSPFv3 **" Neither the Abstract not the Introduction mentions OSPFv3. There are some references in the document, but section 3.2 has a textual reference to "draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-traffic-07.txt" rather than a citation. === Abstract s/assumption on/assumptions about/ s/carried onto/carried by/ s/referred to as unconstrained TE LSP/referred to as unconstrained TE LSPs/ s/unconstrained TE LSP across/unconstrained TE LSPs across/ s/This requires the knowledge/This requires knowledge/ === Abstract and Introduction These sections are the only place where it is mentioned that assumptions have to be made about the traffic carried on the zero bandwidth LSPs. Do these assumptions form part of the algorithms "that can be designed" or are they assumptions that can be described? What would be the consequence of different devices in the network making different assumptions? Indeed, what would be the consequence of different routers using different algorithms? Can we sure that two algorithms from different vendors will not interact unfavorably within the network? === Section 2 s/(TE LSP/(TE LSPs/ s/such unconstrained TE LSP/such unconstrained TE LSPs/ s/assumption on/assumptions about/ s/carried onto/carried by/ s/signalled across a link./signalled across each link./ s/outside of the scope/outside the scope/ s/and merely listed/and is referred to/ === Section 2 Need to be expand acronyms on first use LSR, SRLG, IGP === Section 2 "TE LSPs signalled with zero bandwidth that are configured and provisioned through a management system are not included in the count that is reported." I think "signalled" may be wrong here. We probably mean "Unconstrained TE LSPs that are configured and provisioned through a management system are not included in the count that is reported." === Section 2 Suggest to delete "As currently defined in [RFC3630] and [RFC3784] the information related to the number of unconstrained TE LSP(s) is not available." === Section 2 "Furthermore, the knowledge of the number of unconstrained TE LSPs signalled across each link can be used for other purposes (for example to evaluate the number of affected TE LSPs in case of a link failure)." Wouldn't this function be better if we knew the actual number of TE LSPs on a link rather than only the number of zero bandwidth TE LSPs? Since we don't propose an extension that simply counts the number of TE LSPs, perhaps it would be simpler to delete this paragraph. === Section 3 The name of the new sub-TLV is clunky with its "(s)" suffix and its compound noun construction. Viz. "The Number of 0-bandwidth TE LSP(s) Sub-TLV" Can we change its name to something like the "Unconstrained TE LSP Count Sub-TLV"? === Section 3.1 The use of RFC2119 language may be taken as contradictory. "The Number of 0-bandwidth TE LSP(s) sub-TLV is OPTIONAL and MUST appear at most once within the extended IS reachability TLV (type 22) specified in [RFC3784]." Suggest... "The Number of 0-bandwidth TE LSP(s) sub-TLV is OPTIONAL and MUST NOT appear more than once within the extended IS reachability TLV (type 22) specified in [RFC3784]." === Section 3.2 ditto section 3.1 === Section 4 "An implementation MAY decide to implement" We should add... "In any case, the origination of Traffic Engineering LSAs SHOULD be rate-limited to at most one every MinLSInterval [RFC2328]." And a similar reference for ISIS. === Section 4 I think that some description of how to handle the absence of a Number of 0-bandwidth TE LSP(s) sub-TLV is required. Is this to be taken as implying that there are no unconstrained TE LSPs on the link, or that there is no information about the link. In the latter case, is there any guidance to be given? === Section 5 The instructions to IANA need to give more references. Which registries? Which sub-registries? === Section 6 In the current climate, I would be very surprised if we got away with this text. At the least, the text needs to support the assertion that there are no new security issues. 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See below. > TE LSPs signalled with zero bandwidth that are configured and > provisioned through a management system are not included in the count > that is reported. Two questions WRT the above: - Why are such LSPs excluded from reporting? - How is the above accomplished for signalled LSPs? section 3.1: > The Number of 0-bandwidth TE LSP(s) sub-TLV is OPTIONAL and MUST > appear at most once within [...] and section 3.2: > The Number of 0-bandwidth TE LSP(s) sub-TLV is OPTIONAL and MUST > appear at most once within [...] While your intent is pretty clear, the phrasing is a bit awkward and subject to misinterpretation (i.e., what does it mean for an "OPTIONAL" element to "MUST" appear ). How about rephrasing along the lines of (change marked in asterisks): "The Number of 0-bandwidth TE LSP(s) sub-TLV is OPTIONAL and MUST ***NOT appear more than*** once within [...]" >4. 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This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF. Title : Point-to-Multipoint Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering (TE) Management Information Base (MIB) module Author(s) : A. Farrel, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-05.txt Pages : 58 Date : 2007-09-24 This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes managed objects for point-to-multipoint (P2MP) Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) based traffic engineering (TE). The MIB module defined in this document is applicable to P2MP MPLS-TE by extensions to the MPLS-TE MIB module defined in RFC 3812. It is equally applicable to P2MP Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) in association with the GMPLS TE MIB module defined in RFC 4802. 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Thanks, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-05.txt >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working > Group of the IETF. > > > Title : Point-to-Multipoint Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) > Traffic Engineering (TE) Management Information Base (MIB) module > Author(s) : A. 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To clarify remove the parenthesis from "(other metric...)" and change "other metric..." =3D> "on metrics, e.g., percentage of reserved bandwidth or the number of hops." Maybe the last sentence should simply state something like: "Unfortunately, in the presence of unconstrained TE LSPs constraints on reserved bandwidth and number of LSPs may be misleading and may lead to poorly load balanced traffic." -paragraph 5 ("Note that...") and 7 ("Furthermore, the...") should be moved after paragraph 3 -paragraph 6: ("TE LSPs signaled..."): why do you exclude provisioned LSPs? I can understand that there are cases where the information on management plane provisioned LSPs is not needed/available, however I think the proposed extensions should be more general and allow collecting information on all the unconstrained LSPs in the TED. Wouldn't it be possible to have two fields to include both the number of unconstrained signaled and provisioned LSPs in the new TLV? 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Secondly, if Control Plane is implementing LSR MIB (which does not hold any information about FECs) to use for setting up of static LSPs, then when an echo request packet (with FEC TLV) is received by Data Plane, then how can one verify DP against CP? regards, Shilpa ------=_Part_3740_19620322.1190789591188 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi,
      I have a query regarding ping support for static LSPs.

    Firstly, is it supported?

    Secondly, if Control Plane is implementing LSR MIB (which does not hold any information about FECs) to use for setting up of static LSPs, then when an echo request packet (with FEC TLV) is received by Data Plane, then how can one verify DP against CP? 

    regards,
    Shilpa

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    http://www.pevils.com/?ksmjdsfaqmsa ------------6EA146E35677EA14-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Sep 26 06:15:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaTqL-0004kF-O9; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:10:09 -0400 Received: from mpls by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IaTqK-0004jo-6p for mpls-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:10:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaTqJ-0004jW-Nv for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:10:07 -0400 Received: from szxga04-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.7]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaTqC-00058u-4e for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:10:07 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (szxga04-in [172.24.2.12]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JOZ00HN003A5A@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:06:46 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JOZ00KEM0367W@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:06:46 +0800 (CST) Received: from hpSAQUIB ([10.18.23.101]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JOZ00FOI02Z03@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:06:42 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:36:23 +0530 From: saquib khan To: mpls@lists.ietf.org Message-id: <002701c80024$e56da550$6517120a@china.huawei.com> Organization: htipl MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcgAJOTBwsGk3G/rTJ+zcfnYJ6NT2A== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a92223e791a86c0e8c238fc6d8c729a6 Subject: [mpls] Query on S bit in MPLS X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: saquibk@huawei.com List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0324670645==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0324670645== Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="Boundary_(ID_hUylHqKqJLCyjDpNE1ErCQ)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_hUylHqKqJLCyjDpNE1ErCQ) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ervFRuKcwALHTPeDFUwmVQ)" --Boundary_(ID_ervFRuKcwALHTPeDFUwmVQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi All, I have q query regarding the S (stack) bit I think the S bit should be set for the first LABEL in the stack (as its at the bottom) then for other LABELS which are pushed in the stack the S bit should be 0 Because while popping it will be possible to make out which is the last label to be popped. So in that case for the first label only S bit will be set without taking care wether there will be more labels in stack or not. Thanks & regards, Saquib --Boundary_(ID_ervFRuKcwALHTPeDFUwmVQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

    Hi All,

              I have q query regarding the S (stack) bit

             I think the S bit should be set for the first LABEL in the stack (as its at the bottom) then for other LABELS which are pushed in the stack the S bit should be 0

            Because while popping it will be possible to make out which is the last label to be popped.

            So in that case for the first label only S bit will be set without taking care wether there will be more labels in stack or not.

     

    Thanks & regards,

    Saquib

     

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I checked in cisco router and its changing its hello timer to 1/3 of the negotiated hold timer Sunil _____ From: shilpa goel [mailto:shilpa07@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:35 PM To: mpls-ops@mplsrc.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org; mpls@uu.net Subject: Re: [mpls] [MPLS-OPS]: ldp hello hold timer question Does hello time automatically become 1/3 of the minimum hold time (at Router R2 in the given example)? As per my understanding, RFC 3036 only recommends this but doesn't enforce it. On 9/20/07, Ramesh Huliyar wrote: Hello Sunil, Yes, the hold time is considered the minimum of the two values. Similarly, the hello will become 1/3 of the minimum hold time. So, in the below given example, hold time will be 3 secs and hello will be 1 sec. Thanks Ramesh Huliyar shilpa goel wrote: Yes Sunil, it appears it is misconfiguration and the operator at router R2 will have to reconfigure the hello and hold times. regards, Shilpa On 9/19/07, sunil < sunilc@ipinfusion.com> wrote: Hi If two routers are configured with ldp hello times as R1 - hello 1sec and hold time 3 sec R2 - hello 4 sec and hold time 12 sec What should be the negotiated hold time among them According to rfc the negotiated should be minimum of the two hold values The min value is 3, if hold time of 3 is considered then does ldp session doesn't comesup, bcz R2 sends hellos every 4 sec and R1 hold expires every 3 sec. Is it misconfiguration?? Thanks _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _____ Bring your gang together - do your thing. 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    Hi

     

    RFC didn’t explicitly said to = change the hello timer based on the negotiated hold = timer

    I think its implementation = dependant.

    I checked in cisco router and its = changing its hello timer to 1/3 of the negotiated hold = timer

     

    Sunil

     

    From: = shilpa goel [mailto:shilpa07@gmail.com]
    Sent: Thursday, September = 20, 2007 8:35 PM
    To: mpls-ops@mplsrc.com; mpls@lists.ietf.org; mpls@uu.net
    Subject: Re: [mpls] = [MPLS-OPS]: ldp hello hold timer question

     

    Does hello = time automatically become 1/3 of the minimum hold time (at Router R2 in the = given example)? As per my understanding, RFC 3036 only recommends this but = doesn't enforce it.

    On 9/20/07, Ramesh Huliyar <ramhuliyar@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

    Hello Sunil,

    Yes, the hold time is considered the minimum of the two values. = Similarly, the hello will become 1/3 of the minimum hold time. So, in the below given = example, hold time will be 3 secs and hello will be 1 sec.

    Thanks
    Ramesh Huliyar



    shilpa goel <shilpa07@gmail.com > = wrote:

    Yes Sunil, it appears it is misconfiguration = and the operator at router R2 will have to reconfigure the hello and hold times. =

    regards,
    Shilpa

     

    On 9/19/07, sunil < sunilc@ipinfusion.com> wrote:

    Hi

    If two routers are configured with ldp hello times as =

    R1 - hello 1sec and hold time 3 sec

    R2 - hello 4 sec and hold time 12 = sec

    What should be the negotiated hold time among = them

    According to rfc the negotiated should be minimum of the two = hold values
    The min value is 3, if hold time of 3 is considered then does ldp = session doesn't comesup, bcz R2 sends hellos every 4 sec and R1 hold expires = every 3 sec.

    Is it misconfiguration??

     

    Thanks

     

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