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URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ From loa@pi.nu Mon Sep 2 05:05:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5EB11E82F1 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 05:05:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.557 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.042, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cJbA76w5XCPK for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 05:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3017011E82EE for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 05:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.60] (81-229-83-119-no65.business.telia.com [81.229.83.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D884F1802038; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:05:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <52247F05.5000303@pi.nu> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:05:25 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Markus Jork References: <79E5D3D3-6AB4-4CE7-97A9-6D324C053490@gmail.com> <52186AC2.8030804@gmail.com> <8be8a162f75c4c61a48c925b2f294dde@BLUPR05MB230.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <521BB527.6000000@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "huubatwork@gmail.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] MPLS-RT review of PSC related drafts X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 12:05:41 -0000 Markus, Huub, et.al., It is quite obvious that I'm behind reading the pcs drafts, reading now and hopefully will be able to give more insightful responses when done. However, in Berlin I asked the authors to keep the specification separate. I had the impression that the 6378-delata should be captured in draft-xxx and the existing documents should clear and simple "just" specify the new functions. I guess this was not communicated clearly, since all the mpls-rt reviewers "complains" that the current format (based on 6738-delta) is hard to digest. Bear with me a few days until I'm through the documents. /Loa On 2013-08-30 23:29, Markus Jork wrote: > Huub, > >> > Was having a set of update drafts somehow meant to ease > coordination >> with the ITU? >> >> Yes. This was requested in the liaison from IETF to ITU and the concatenation >> of the options is in draft ITU mode. > > Ok, so as I suspected the current format of the I-Ds was chosen for procedural reasons. > While that is understandable, the resulting I-Ds are pretty hard to digest. > I think producing good and readable RFCs should be more important than making it easy to get them through the standardization process. > >>> Anyway, the main audience for a standards track RFC are >> > the implementers and users of the technology. So an RFC > should be >> written to be easily understood and digested > by its audience. And in my >> opinion the format chosen for > this set of PSC drafts is not ideal in that >> regard. >> >> What is the format you would like to see? > > I think we need one draft that is a new revision of RFC 6378. It would incorporate all the corrections and new features. > That's what you want to do with "draft-xxx-mpls-tp-ITU-mode" anyway: > >> Currently there will be two modes: >> = none option supported: existing RFC6378 = all options supported: draft ITU mode >> >> In this way implementations (currently) have to support two modes. > > So if the current set of drafts describing optional features can't be arbitrarily combined anyway, why not produce one new ITU-mode draft that describes all of this together? > > Just to illustrate the problem with the current set of drafts, here is one example: 3 of the drafts modify the same section of RFC 6378: > > * draft-rhd-mpls-tp-psc-priority-01.txt: > > 4.2. Updates to Section 4.3.3.2. Unavailable State > Remove the following bullet items and their text: > [...] > > > * draft-cdh-mpls-tp-psc-non-revertive-00.txt: > > 4.8. Updates to Section 4.3.3.2. Unavailable State > Replace the following bullet item in the reaction to local input > list: > [...] > With: > [...] > > Replace the following bullet item in the reaction to remote message > list: > [...] > With: > [...] > > > * draft-rhd-mpls-tp-psc-sd-00.txt: > > 5.9. Updates to Section 4.3.3.2 Unavailable State > > The second paragraph of Section 4.3.3.2 Unavailable State in > [RFC6378] shows the intention of including the signal degrade on the > protection in the Unavailable state. This document follows the same > state grouping as [RFC6378] for SD-P, even though the protection path > can be partially available under the condition of the signal degrade > on the protection path. > > Replace the following text in the first paragraph of Section 4.3.3.2 > Unavailable State for further clarification on SD on the protection > path: > [...] > With: > [...] > > Replace the following bullet item text in the transitions in reaction > to a local input: > [...] > With: > [...] > > Replace the following bullet item text in the transitions in reaction > to a local input: > [...] > With: > [...] > > > Each draft with its "diff" format is bad enough on its own. But any combination of these drafts would be incomprehensible. So why have these separate RFCs? > > -Markus > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From hejia@huawei.com Mon Sep 2 06:10:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DCA21F9F7F for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 06:10:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.147 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.147 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_UTF8=0.152] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2s-2kJ3igd6a for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 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The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/routing.html Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-mpls-targeted-mldp-03.txt Reviewer: Lizhong Jin Review Date: 2 September 2013 IETF LC End Date: 05 September 2013 Intended Status: Standards Track o Summary: I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resolved before publication. o Comments: This document provides the specification for using the LDP P2MP/MP2MP extensions over a Targeted LDP session. It is clearly written. I only have some minor issues which need to be clarified. o Major Issues: No major issues found. o Minor Issues: 1. Section 1 is introduction, but section 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 seem to define the specification, not overview introduction. It is suggest to have a separate section to describe the introduction. 2. Section 1.1, the reference of mLDP RFC is indexed by [mLDP], not [RFC6388] (same for [LDP-UP]). I am not quite sure IETF template allows this, please check. 3. Section 1.2.1, line 176, what if there is IGP neighbors, and there is targeted LDP session between U and D? This is possible in some deployments. 4. Section 1.2.1, line 188, is there a precedence among the different methods, and the operator could define the precedence? 5. Section 3, line 356, how does D know to send label request, not label mapping message? Multicast or unicast from U to D is determined by U, and D could not get this information automatically. Then is there any static configuration required here? 6. Section 3, line 358, the label request messages mentioned in the text should be upstream label request message. It is better to explicit to say this. 7. Section 3, line 382, it is said: While it is possible to do this, it is highly RECOMMENDED that MP2MP LSPs be tunneled through MP2MP LSPs. I do not quite understand this statement. This specification does not describe the mechanism of MP2MP LSPs being tunneled through MP2MP LSPs. From my view, MP2MP LSPs over MP2MP LSPs is not easy, and should resolve the upstream label uniqueness among different upstream nodes. It should be caution to have this recommendations here. Regards Lizhong --001a1132e5ac0da45e04e569006d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft.= The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related dra= fts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review. The purpose of the= review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information a= bout the Routing Directorate, please see
http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/routing.html

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it= would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last= Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discuss= ion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-mpls-targeted-mldp-03.txt
Reviewer: Lizhong Ji= n
Review Date:=A02=A0September 2013
IETF LC End Date: 05 September 20= 13
Intended Status: Standards Track
=A0
o Summary:
I have some minor concerns about this document that I th= ink should be resolved before publication.
=A0
o Comments:
This document provides the specification for using the LDP P2MP/MP2MP = extensions over a Targeted LDP session. It is clearly written. I only have = some minor issues which need to be clarified.

o Major Issues:
No major issues found.
=A0
o Minor Issues:
=A0
1. Section 1 is introduction, but section 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 seem to=A0defi= ne the specification, not overview introduction. It is suggest to have a se= parate section to describe the introduction.
2. Section 1.1, the reference of mLDP RFC is indexed by [mLDP], not [R= FC6388] (same for [LDP-UP]). I am not quite sure IETF template allows this,= please check.
3. Section 1.2.1, line 176, what if there is IGP neighbors, and there = is targeted LDP session between U and D? This is possible in some deploymen= ts.
4. Section 1.2.1, line 188, is there a precedence among the different = methods, and the operator could define the precedence?
5. Section 3, line 356, how does D know to send label request, not lab= el mapping message? Multicast or unicast from U to D is determined by U, an= d D could not get this information automatically. Then is there any static = configuration required here?
6. Section 3, line 358, the label request messages mentioned in the te= xt should be upstream=A0label request message. It is better to explicit to = say this.
7. Section 3, line 382, it is said: While it is possible to do this, i= t is highly RECOMMENDED that MP2MP LSPs be tunneled through MP2MP LSPs. I d= o not quite understand this statement. This specification does not describe= the mechanism of MP2MP LSPs being tunneled through MP2MP LSPs. From my vie= w, MP2MP LSPs over MP2MP LSPs is not easy, and should resolve the upstream = label uniqueness among different upstream nodes. It=A0should be caution to = have this recommendations here.
=A0
Regards
Lizhong
=A0
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--001a1132e5ac0da45e04e569006d-- From cpignata@cisco.com Mon Sep 2 16:53:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F25A21F9A97; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:53:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.550, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pb-TiJz2fChv; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D27421F9D69; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:53:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=17677; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1378166004; x=1379375604; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=BEc0wRfGceVV4JR1QCUyJPE72uom5qY9DByLAsrig+Y=; b=Cwv4lJw7dJwDRVL3nuSdLv1lts7iwh/IPowzTeDBz3jVmRIymUUDRH2u 4TfN/E2KNcDqP9k7YprNsOrS5iwL0zHgftMw5aB3ygw5H18CgUecvj+Io T6wG7oL+yTU5Lu95r0FXyWFgnAGNcpNJCs+bSVKqUx4kq5g/Bmewkkh5a o=; X-Files: signature.asc : 203 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhAFADckJVKtJV2Z/2dsb2JhbABagwc1UcBxgSkWdIImAQRHIAsHEgEcDlYnBA4NAQUNh2cMqySNeY9FIBECgyKBAAOQI4EumAqDIIIq X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,1009,1367971200"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="251704132" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Sep 2013 23:53:23 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com [173.36.12.80]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r82NrNO6022451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Sep 2013 23:53:23 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([169.254.5.15]) by xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com ([173.36.12.80]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 18:53:23 -0500 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: "" Thread-Topic: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt Thread-Index: AQHOqDebrKO6OJQx3ESbiGHTNfRsNw== Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 23:53:22 +0000 Message-ID: <95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED325E86B07@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.82.234.105] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5E1126B0-F232-4E09-8450-6BC2363C7268"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "" , "draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping.all@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 23:53:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5E1126B0-F232-4E09-8450-6BC2363C7268 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. = The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related = drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and = sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide = assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing = Directorate, please see = http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/routing.html Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it = would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF = Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through = discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro Review Date: 02 September 2013 IETF LC End Date: 04 September 2013 Intended Status: Proposed Standard Summary: I have significant concerns about this document and recommend that the = Routing ADs discuss these issues further with the authors. Comments: This document defines useful functionality. It is also generally well = written and is fairly detailed and comprehensive. At the same time, for a set of extensions that attempts to provide more = determinism in a failure detection protocol, I believe there is still = significant ambiguity in a few underspecified elements and behaviors. Although I have marked a number of "major" issues, some of them should = be relatively easy to fix. Others, however, pose somewhat fundamental = questions. I hope these review comments are clear and useful! Major Issues: The first major issue that I would like to have discussed is the usage = of these extensions for BFD for MPLS bootstrapping. The Abstract in this = document sets to prove that the extensions thereby defined can be used = for BFD for MPLS bootstrapping. However, I believe that the document is = underdefined to make that claim in the Abstract. There is somewhat of a contradiction in that, to make BFD for MPLS = bootstrapping using these extensions work, specific protocol definitions = (i.e., 2119 language in the BFD for MPLS bootstrapping state machine) = need to take place in BFD, as per draft-chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement. = However, that document is only an Informative reference in this = document. It appears to me that, without = draft-chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement, the claim of the Abstract cannot be = fulfilled. By way of process, I also believe this might have not been = tested with the BFD working group. In any case, the only mention of BFD for MPLS bootstrapping in this = document is by passing as an example in Section 3.3.1. Due to all of = these reasons, I believe this doc should remove the goal of BFD = improvements al together or majorly qualify and downgrade the usage with = BFD. A second major issue is a question: Given how RFC 4379 defines the reply = mode 4 ("Reply via application level control channel"). Given a = bidirectional LSP. Doesn't using GAL+GACh and Reply Mode #4 solve this = whole problem? Why is that one not discussed? Basically, RFC 4379 uses = RFC 5085 as the reference example of reply mode #4. Since RFC 5586 = generalizes the VCCV associated channel to LSPs, then we have a generic = control channel to be used with reply mode #4. Also, what's the relationship to RFC 6426 and TLV 16? Another return = path? A third major issue has to do with the treatment of Inter-AS scenarios = in this draft. In Sections 2.1 and 2.2, this draft is implicitly = presented as a solution for MPLS Echo in "inter-domain LSPs" and = "inter-domain/inter-AS LSP". The problems in these cases are more = convoluted than what this draft describes, and includes lack of = addressing context and initiator address unknown (not only that the IP = Router Alert label might not work in the boundary). I believe that this = draft should not call those cases since are not solved by the addition = of a new reply mode. A fourth major issue has to do with the use of IP Path versus LSP Path, = as per a number of Minor issues described below that, together, amount = to a major. See minor issues section. A fifth major issue concerns itself with ECMP upon return. Saying that = the response should be sent over the LSP with target FEC Stack of LDP = IPv4 prefix of 192.0.2.27/32 is not enough, as there are potentially = multiple paths throughout. I believe this topic should be discussed. In = the Echo direction, this is solved with the Downstream Mapping = mechanics. That is overkill for the response, but again, multi path can = give false negatives the same deeming the whole solution unusable (since = at the end it cannot provide the prescriptiveness). A last major issue concerns itself with Security considerations. Using = these extensions, a node can instruct another node to send replies out = of any LSP, including LSPs that do not go back to the source. Further, = an attacker can send MPLS Echo nodes to many nodes vectoring responses = to a node target of a DDoS attack. The security considerations briefly = touches this point and says that "the return path LSP MUST have = destination to the same node where the forward path is from". However, = it is not clear how a node can actually evaluate and actually verify and = enforce this MUST. It is quite possible that this check is not possible = to make. Minor Issues: Does this document update RFC 4379? 1. Introduction The procedures defined in this document currently only apply to "ping" mode. The "traceroute" mode is out of scope for this document. I am note sure if this is major or minor -- but separating traceroute = mode as out of scope seems like a huge gap. Are there specific issues = with using these extensions in traceroute mode? The last hop of a = traceroute is equivalent to a ping -- can these extensions be used = there? The defined extensions can also be utilized for creating a single Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD)[RFC5880], [RFC5884] session for a bidirectional LSP or for a pair of unidirectional LSPs (one for each direction). For BFD for bidirectional LSPs, there is no need to use LSP Ping = bootstrapping, since the context of the session can be directly gleaned = as defined in RFC 5885. In other words, single-hop BFD initialization is = enough -- why would someone want to use bootstrapping with LSP Ping, and = then specific extensions, when the context of the BFD discriminators is = understood from the label (again, as per RFC 5885)? In this document, the term bidirectional LSP includes the co-routed bidirectional LSP defined in [RFC3945] and the associated bidirectional LSP that is constructed from a pair of unidirectional LSPs (one for each direction), and which are associated with one another at the LSP's ingress/egress points [RFC5654]. The mechanisms defined in this document can apply to both IP/MPLS and MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) scenarios. Two key questions: 1. What about Pseudowires? 2. How can this apply to MPLS-TP when MPLS-TP might not have an IP = control plane (to run LSP Ping)? 2. Problem Statements and Solution Overview MPLS LSP Ping is defined in [RFC4379]. It can be used to detect data path failures in all MPLS LSPs, and was originally designed for unidirectional LSPs. Where does RFC4379 limits its scope to unidirectional LSPs? And in any case, the use modes 2 or 3 cannot guarantee the delivery of echo responses through an IP network that is fundamentally unreliable. The failure to deliver echo response messages can lead to false negatives making it appear that the LSP has failed. Allowing the ingress LSR to control the path used for echo reply messages, and in particular forcing those messages to use an LSP rather than being sent through the IP network, enables an operator to apply an extra level of deterministic process to the LSP Ping test. These two paragraphs seems to show a gross misconception on how reply = works. =46rom 4379, the reply with mode #1 does not need to be sent over = IP without MPLS. It can very well be sent over an LSP. In fact, given = the right source IP address in the LSP Ping Echo, the right return LSP = can be chosen. This needs to be better explained so as not to "hype" the = solution presented in the document. 3. Extensions In addition, two new TLVs, the Reply Path TLV and Reply Traffic Class (TC) [RFC5462] TLV, are defined in this document.=20 Given that the "Reply Path TLV" specifies an LSP and not a Path, I = strongly suggest the TLV be renamed to more specifically describe its = functionality. 0x0004 The specified Reply Path was not found, the echo reply was sent via other LSP 0x0005 The specified Reply Path was not found, the echo reply was sent via IP path It is not clear what an IP path is, when sending an LSP Echo response as = an IP datagram can be sent labeled as an LSP. Also, I assume these are = without Router Alert, right? A (Alternative path): the egress LSR MUST select a non-default path as the return path. This is very useful when reverse default path problems are suspected which can be confirmed when the echo reply is forced to follow a non-default return path. Here, the default path refers to the path that the egress LSR will use to send the echo reply when the return path is not explicitly specified as defined in this document. If A bit is set, there is no need to carry any specific reply path sub-TLVs, and when received, the sub-TLVs SHOULD be ignored. Do all implementations understand the same thing as "Default"? This = seems underspecified. Also, say that an LSP Ping is sent with source IP address as 192.0.2.1 = over an LSP. A "default" return LSP is perhaps an LSP where 192.0.2.1/32 = points to. How would a non-default be in this case? Send it to a wrong = LSR? What should responding router choose in this case? How can it = choose a non-default without the specification of an actual LSP? B (Bidirectional): the return path is required to follow the reverse direction of the tested bidirectional LSP. If B bit is set, there is no need to carry any specific reply path sub-TLVs, and when received, the sub-TLVs SHOULD be ignored. Is this default or non-default when this TLV is not used (pre-this = spec)? 3.2. Reply Path (RP) TLV When reply mode (!=3D 5) and Reply Path TLV is received, which takes = precedence and what is the procedure? 3.3. Reply Path sub-TLVs In addition, this document defines three new sub-TLVs: IPv4 RSVP Tunnel sub-TLV, IPv6 RSVP Tunnel sub-TLV, and Static Tunnel sub-TLV. It is not clear why these are specified. The text does not seem to = explain the need, nor why these do not need to be specified for the TLV = 1.=20 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | MUST be zero |S|P| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Further, "primary" and "secondary" are not defined. Which specifications = explains what is a primary and a secondary? 3.3.3. Static Tunnel sub-TLV Again, why is this not specified for the Echo as well? 4. Theory of Operation When the echo reply message is intended to test the return MPLS LSP path(when the A bit is not set in the previous received echo request message), the destination IP address of the echo reply message MUST never be used in a forwarding decision. Is this really the meaning of the "A-bit"? To avoid this possibility the destination IP address of the echo reply message that is transmitted along the specified return path MUST be set to numbers from the range 127/8 for IPv4 or 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 for IPv6, and the IP TTL MUST be set 1, and the TTL in the outermost label MUST be set to 255.=20 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 is ambiguous. This needs to be = 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:7F00/104 or 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127.0.0.0/104 Of course when the echo reply message is not intended for testing the specified return path (when the A bit is set in the previous received echo request message) , the procedures defined in [RFC4379] (the destination IP address is copied from the source IP address) apply unchanged. Does this mean that "Alternate" and "Non Default" are actually to follow = the *Default* procedures from RFC 4379? 4.3. Sending an Echo Reply and the IP TTL MUST be set to 1, the TTL in the outermost label MUST be set to 255.=20 Should this follow draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv? 6.4. Reply Path Return Code There seems to be a contradiction in this: 0x0006-0xfffb Not allocated, allocated via Standard Action 0xfffc-0xffff Experimental Use The range of 0x0008-0xfffb is not allocated and reserved for future extensions and is allocated via Standard Action, the range of 0xfffc- 0xffff is for Experimental Use. Overall -- what is the interaction with draft-ietf-mpls-remote-lsp-ping? = Note also that document specifies a reply mode with the same value of = "5". Also, this document does not seem to define backward compatibility = considerations. What happens if a pre-specification router receives a = Reply Mode #5? The generic behavior of RFC 4379 is to respond with a = generic "malformed echo" error -- should there be a sub-code for Unknown = reply mode -- in which case it's a bit ironic to reply by some other = mode -- to signal the specific issue for future reply codes? A final minor issue: this specification defines a new behavior for an = echo reply in which the Echo Reply message is destined to a loopback IP = Address. If the return path is broken, a middle router will think the = packet is destined to itself (because of the loopback) -- the behavior = in this case is undefined and can result in funny behaviors, for example = an ICMP port unreachable sent to the source or weirder. A last minor issue relates the IANA requests -- section 6.2 is already = fairly complex, yet it does not speak to the following: What happens = when sub-TLVs for TLV1 are defined? What is checked to make sure that = this new sub-TLV applies to TLV21, and how? Does this update IANA = allocations for RFC 4379? Also, a sub-TLV with sub-Type 16384 can be = assigned to TLV1 with specification required, but needs Standards action = for TLV 21? And from which of these eight ranges are sub-Types of = Section 6.2.1 assigned, and why are not applicable to TLV Type 1 and = Type 16? I would include in the IANA instructions details within TLV 1 about the = changes and "directly copied" to TLV21. Nits:=20 Abstract This document defines extensions to the failure-detection protocol for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) known as "LSP Ping" that allow selection of the LSP to use for the echo reply return path. The abstract is key in that its legibility sets for the whole document. = These same comments apply to the Introduction. First, to be consistent with RFC4379, I'd qualify adding "=85extensions = to the *data-plane* failure-detection protocol=85". Second, this is a very long sentence that reads better split in two: = "known as "LSP Ping". These extensions allow selection of the" The Reply via Specified Path mode is used to request that the remote LSR receiving the LSP Ping echo request message sends back the echo reply message along the specified paths carried in the Reply Path TLV. There is no such a thing as "LSP Ping echo request message" in RFC 4379. = The same happens throughout the document, and should be fixed. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Reply Path TLV Type | Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Reply Path return code | Flag | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ These are "Flags" (plural). 0x0002 One or more of the sub-TLVs in Reply Path TLV was not understood s/was/were/ Additionally, idnits 2.12.17 finds the following: ** There is 1 instance of too long lines in the document, the longest = one being 1 character in excess of 72. =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC6426' is defined on line 873, but no = explicit reference was found in the text I hope these are clear and useful! 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-0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp246.steinbergnet.net (dhcp246.steinbergnet.net [10.0.0.246]) by xen1.steinbergnet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5FBD84FE; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:25:32 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Dirk Steinberg In-Reply-To: <51F13BDD.9080704@pi.nu> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:25:32 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <51F13BDD.9080704@pi.nu> To: Loa Andersson , mpls@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:07:44 -0700 Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:26:07 -0000 Hi Loa, I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft. Best Regards, Dirk Am 25.07.2013 um 16:53 schrieb Loa Andersson : > Working Group, >=20 > The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working > group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft > earlier. >=20 > Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. >=20 > This mail starts that IPR poll. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to = draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond = to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The = documents will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author = or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of = any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 >=20 > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) > --=20 >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From loa@pi.nu Tue Sep 3 09:10:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1105B21E816E for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:10:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -92.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-92.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-9.966, BAYES_00=-2.599, URIBL_SBL=20, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cv44Eqdppxta for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBF121F9D31 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.60] (81-229-83-119-no65.business.telia.com [81.229.83.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 135FC18033E4 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:10:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <522609EC.3000701@pi.nu> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 18:10:20 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [mpls] MPLS/SDN 2013 Program Information X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:10:25 -0000 The MPLS/SDN 2013 Conference (the 16th annual event) program is now posted and is available at www.mpls2013.com, or specifically Tutorials (Sun): http://www.isocore.com/mpls2013/program/tutorials.htm Technical sessions (Mon-Wed): http://www.isocore.com/mpls2013/program/technical_sessions.htm The conference will take place November 17-20 in Washington DC and will include an extensive four day program consisting of tutorials, technical sessions, panels, and exhibits. The key topics to be discussed at this year's conference include: Virtualization, SDN, Cloud and Data Centers, Mobility and SDN, PCE, Traffic Engineering and Emerging Technologies, Transport SDN, Orchestration, and emerging multi-play applications across common infrastructure. The conference hotel is the Marriott Wardman Park in Washington DC. Please note that there are only a limited number of rooms available this year at a reduced rate. Please make reservations at: https://resweb.passkey.com/Resweb.do?mode=welcome_ei_new&eventID=10583503&utm_source=1786&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=23303762 /Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From eosborne@cisco.com Tue Sep 3 09:49:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAB521E8185 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:49:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.583 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.583 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, MIME_ASCII0=1.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, SARE_MILLIONSOF=0.315] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QpBlAKYhSOjQ for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E50B21E817C for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:49:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=26696; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1378226981; x=1379436581; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=UiiU7OAVagFLz2zFzSds94pyPju6zQf3mkx83SdVNTM=; b=R5rCb4B37YHwZZ18YWmFNj5yvelfJEPOi71vGvJHe9qFbh2au73khhBc qspwTV5HyM3QGwfTEyNyAPIGAUWpbAUxONVutki27GEXCieqSsOEdTkWC Pnqc4b45QTPfwzs+fAU41J9CqJ2xRqIc0RFmAuxcYIqd4XFBmyzzAHmGI Q=; X-Files: Friday MPLS WG notes.html, Wednesday MPLS WG notes.html : 9322, 9316 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AicFANkRJlKtJV2b/2dsb2JhbABRCoJDRDVRuDmIPIEuFm0HgiYBBGcEAx0BGhAmMBcPAQQTCAYNh2cMmHOgJI4tBoESLYMogQADhUuKWIEugkqFCZA3gyCBagcXBhw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,1015,1367971200"; d="html'217?scan'217,208,217";a="255030304" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Sep 2013 16:49:40 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com [173.37.183.79]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r83GneRQ004815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 16:49:40 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.9.162]) by xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com ([173.37.183.79]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:49:40 -0500 From: "Eric Osborne (eosborne)" To: "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Draft minutes from Berlin Thread-Index: Ac6oxVyqe9+Ou+RZQyywl9nbjnt60Q== Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 16:49:39 +0000 Message-ID: <20ECF67871905846A80F77F8F4A2757210356EFA@xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.98.66.71] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_003_20ECF67871905846A80F77F8F4A2757210356EFAxmbrcdx09ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [mpls] Draft minutes from Berlin X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:49:46 -0000 --_003_20ECF67871905846A80F77F8F4A2757210356EFAxmbrcdx09ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey folks- Sorry for the delay. 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RFC 7026 Title: Retiring TLVs from the Associated Channel Header of the MPLS Generic Associated Channel Author: A. Farrel, S. Bryant Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: September 2013 Mailbox: adrian@olddog.co.uk, stbryant@cisco.com Pages: 5 Characters: 9297 Updates: RFC 5586 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-mpls-retire-ach-tlv-03.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7026.txt The MPLS Generic Associated Channel (G-ACh) is a generalization of the applicability of the pseudowire (PW) Associated Channel Header (ACH). RFC 5586 defines the concept of TLV constructs that can be carried in messages on the G-ACh by placing them in the ACH between the fixed header fields and the G-ACh message. These TLVs are called ACH TLVs No Associated Channel Type yet defined uses an ACH TLV. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From mach.chen@huawei.com Tue Sep 3 20:53:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8660821E8167; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:53:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.600, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lfG0EUX8oU87; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F90321E8166; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AWW50754; Wed, 04 Sep 2013 03:53:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 04:52:38 +0100 Received: from SZXEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.35) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 04:52:51 +0100 Received: from szxeml558-mbs.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.175]) by szxeml403-hub.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.007; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:52:43 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" , "" Thread-Topic: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt Thread-Index: AQHOqDebrKO6OJQx3ESbiGHTNfRsN5mzQBzQ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 03:52:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED325E86B07@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED325E86B07@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.96.176] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "" , "draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping.all@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 03:53:32 -0000 Hi Carlos, Many thanks for your detailed review and comments! Please my reply inline... > -----Original Message----- > From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:53 AM > To: > Cc: ; > draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping.all@tools.ietf.org; mpls@i= etf.org > Subject: [mpls] RtgDir review: > draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. = The > Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts= as they > pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special req= uest. > The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. Fo= r more > information about the Routing Directorate, please see > http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/routing.html >=20 > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it = would > be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call > comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion = or by > updating the draft. >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt > Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro > Review Date: 02 September 2013 > IETF LC End Date: 04 September 2013 > Intended Status: Proposed Standard >=20 > Summary: >=20 > I have significant concerns about this document and recommend that the Ro= uting > ADs discuss these issues further with the authors. >=20 > Comments: >=20 > This document defines useful functionality. It is also generally well wri= tten and is > fairly detailed and comprehensive. >=20 > At the same time, for a set of extensions that attempts to provide more > determinism in a failure detection protocol, I believe there is still sig= nificant > ambiguity in a few underspecified elements and behaviors. >=20 > Although I have marked a number of "major" issues, some of them should be > relatively easy to fix. Others, however, pose somewhat fundamental questi= ons. >=20 > I hope these review comments are clear and useful! >=20 >=20 > Major Issues: >=20 > The first major issue that I would like to have discussed is the usage of= these > extensions for BFD for MPLS bootstrapping. The Abstract in this document = sets to > prove that the extensions thereby defined can be used for BFD for MPLS > bootstrapping. However, I believe that the document is underdefined to ma= ke > that claim in the Abstract. >=20 > There is somewhat of a contradiction in that, to make BFD for MPLS > bootstrapping using these extensions work, specific protocol definitions = (i.e., > 2119 language in the BFD for MPLS bootstrapping state machine) need to ta= ke > place in BFD, as per draft-chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement. However, that > document is only an Informative reference in this document. It appears to= me > that, without draft-chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement, the claim of the Abstract > cannot be fulfilled. By way of process, I also believe this might have no= t been > tested with the BFD working group. >=20 > In any case, the only mention of BFD for MPLS bootstrapping in this docum= ent is > by passing as an example in Section 3.3.1. Due to all of these reasons, I= believe > this doc should remove the goal of BFD improvements al together or majorl= y > qualify and downgrade the usage with BFD. We are fine to remove the goal of BFD from the Abstract and Introduction se= ction.=20 >=20 > A second major issue is a question: Given how RFC 4379 defines the reply = mode 4 > ("Reply via application level control channel"). Given a bidirectional LS= P. Doesn't > using GAL+GACh and Reply Mode #4 solve this whole problem? Why is that on= e > not discussed? Basically, RFC 4379 uses RFC 5085 as the reference example= of > reply mode #4. Since RFC 5586 generalizes the VCCV associated channel to = LSPs, > then we have a generic control channel to be used with reply mode #4. To solve which problem you refer to here? ( By using the Reply Mode 4 and G= AL+GACh) >=20 > Also, what's the relationship to RFC 6426 and TLV 16? Another return path= ? TLV 16 is designed to verify the return path, but the return path selection= is still a local decision of the egress (in RFC6426, it states the return = path MUST be the reverse LSP of a bidirectional LSP) as defined in RFC4379.= The Reply Path TLV is designed to specify the return path, they are differ= ent and there is no relationship to TLV 16. >=20 > A third major issue has to do with the treatment of Inter-AS scenarios in= this draft. > In Sections 2.1 and 2.2, this draft is implicitly presented as a solution= for MPLS > Echo in "inter-domain LSPs" and "inter-domain/inter-AS LSP". The problems= in > these cases are more convoluted than what this draft describes, and inclu= des lack > of addressing context and initiator address unknown (not only that the IP= Router > Alert label might not work in the boundary). I believe that this draft sh= ould not > call those cases since are not solved by the addition of a new reply mode= . Section 2.1, bullet 2 talks about inter-AS; for inter-as LSP, with RFC4379,= in order to check the reverse LSP, the LSP Ping has to be initiated from t= he other end reside in other AS, this may not possible since the other AS m= ay belong to different administrative domain. With this new reply mode, an = LSP Ping could detect both the forward and reverse LSP of the bidirectional= LSP, or an LSP Ping detects the forward direction of an LSP and the revers= e direction of another LSP ( for example, using a deemed workable LSP to se= nd echo request, and specifying a suspect LSP as the return path hence to t= est it) , the operator does not need to initiate two LSP Pings from both en= ds separately. The new reply mode is mainly designed to achieve this.=20 Section 2.2 mainly talks about the "Limitations of Existing Mechanisms for = Handling Unreliable Return Paths", mention inter-domain is to explain one o= f the cases where the echo reply cannot be delivered back even with router = alert mode.=20 As the draft states, it provides an extra level of deterministic process to= deliver the echo reply back by specifying a more deterministic path (e.g.,= TE LSP). =20 "Allowing the ingress LSR to control the path used for echo reply messages, and in particular forcing those messages to use an LSP rather than being sent through the IP network, enables an operator to apply an extra level of deterministic process to the LSP Ping test." >=20 > A fourth major issue has to do with the use of IP Path versus LSP Path, a= s per a > number of Minor issues described below that, together, amount to a major.= See > minor issues section. Please see my relies in Minor issues part. >=20 > A fifth major issue concerns itself with ECMP upon return. Saying that th= e > response should be sent over the LSP with target FEC Stack of LDP IPv4 pr= efix of > 192.0.2.27/32 is not enough, as there are potentially multiple paths thro= ughout. I > believe this topic should be discussed. In the Echo direction, this is so= lved with > the Downstream Mapping mechanics. That is overkill for the response, but = again, > multi path can give false negatives the same deeming the whole solution > unusable (since at the end it cannot provide the prescriptiveness). Indeed, Downstream Mapping mechanics is overkill here for response.=20 Section 4.3 Sending an Echo Reply Second Para talks about how to set the destination address that will affect= the ECMP path selection. How about this? Old: "When the echo reply is intended to test the return path (the A is not set in the previous received echo request), the destination IP address of the echo reply message MUST never be used in a forwarding decision. To avoid this problem, the IP destination address of the echo reply message that is transmitted along the specified return path MUST be set to numbers from the range 127/8 for IPv4 or 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 for IPv6, and the IP TTL MUST be set to 1, the TTL in the outermost label MUST be set to 255." New=20 "When the echo reply is intended to test the return path (the A is not set in the previous received echo request), the destination IP address of the echo reply message MUST never be used in a forwarding decision. *In addition, there may be ECMP paths for a specified FEC, in case always select a failure path*, the IP destination address of the echo reply message that is transmitted along the specified return path MUST be set to an address *(random chosen)* from the range 127/8 fo= r IPv4 or 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 for IPv6, and the IP TTL MUST be set to 1, the TTL in the outermost label MUST be set to 255." >=20 > A last major issue concerns itself with Security considerations. Using th= ese > extensions, a node can instruct another node to send replies out of any L= SP, > including LSPs that do not go back to the source. Further, an attacker ca= n send > MPLS Echo nodes to many nodes vectoring responses to a node target of a D= DoS > attack. The security considerations briefly touches this point and says t= hat "the > return path LSP MUST have destination to the same node where the forward > path is from". However, it is not clear how a node can actually evaluate = and > actually verify and enforce this MUST. It is quite possible that this che= ck is not > possible to make. Since the echo request carries the source address/identifier of the ingress= /initiator, when received a specified return path, the return path should a= lso have the destination address/identifier point to the ingress/initiator = , with these two addresses/identifiers, the egress should be able to perfor= m the above check IMHO.=20 >=20 >=20 > Minor Issues: >=20 > Does this document update RFC 4379? >=20 > 1. Introduction >=20 > The procedures defined in this document > currently only apply to "ping" mode. The "traceroute" mode is out of > scope for this document. >=20 > I am note sure if this is major or minor -- but separating traceroute mod= e as out > of scope seems like a huge gap. Are there specific issues with using thes= e > extensions in traceroute mode? The last hop of a traceroute is equivalent= to a > ping -- can these extensions be used there? The procedures can easily apply to traceroute when only tracing the forward= direction; but for reverse direction, the procedures will become complicat= e, something like proxy traceroute, the egress will be the proxy, more cons= ideration and mechanisms are needed. Thus, we leave it future study. >=20 >=20 > The defined extensions can also be > utilized for creating a single Bidirectional Forwarding Detection > (BFD)[RFC5880], [RFC5884] session for a bidirectional LSP or for a > pair of unidirectional LSPs (one for each direction). >=20 > For BFD for bidirectional LSPs, there is no need to use LSP Ping bootstra= pping, > since the context of the session can be directly gleaned as defined in RF= C 5885. In > other words, single-hop BFD initialization is enough -- why would someone= want > to use bootstrapping with LSP Ping, and then specific extensions, when th= e > context of the BFD discriminators is understood from the label (again, as= per RFC > 5885)? As described in RFC5884, Section 5 " A BFD session may be established for a FEC associated with an MPLS LSP. As described above, in the case of PHP or when the egress LSR distributes an explicit null label to the penultimate hop router, or next-hop label allocation, the BFD Control packet received by the egress LSR does not contain sufficient information to associate it with a BFD session." Even for bidirectional LSP, only if there are PHP, explicit null label, or = next-hop label allocation situations, LSP Ping bootstrapping is needed IMHO= .=20 >=20 > In this document, the term bidirectional LSP includes the co-routed > bidirectional LSP defined in [RFC3945] and the associated > bidirectional LSP that is constructed from a pair of unidirectional > LSPs (one for each direction), and which are associated with one > another at the LSP's ingress/egress points [RFC5654]. The mechanisms > defined in this document can apply to both IP/MPLS and MPLS Transport > Profile (MPLS-TP) scenarios. >=20 > Two key questions: > 1. What about Pseudowires? Theoretically, PW can be treated as an associated bidirectional LSP, so it'= s possible to specify another PW other than the reverse PW. > 2. How can this apply to MPLS-TP when MPLS-TP might not have an IP contro= l > plane (to run LSP Ping)? For MPLS-TP (non-control plane), the only difference is the encapsulation, = the GAL+GACh can also be used as defined RFC6426. Maybe we could add some t= ext to state this. >=20 >=20 > 2. Problem Statements and Solution Overview >=20 > MPLS LSP Ping is defined in [RFC4379]. It can be used to detect data > path failures in all MPLS LSPs, and was originally designed for > unidirectional LSPs. >=20 > Where does RFC4379 limits its scope to unidirectional LSPs? RFC 4379 does not explicitly state this, but from procedures it defined, si= nce the echo rely does not carry any FEC stack information, the verificatio= n is only for forward direction, not for reverse direction.=20 Maybe it more proper to state: "...and was mainly designed for unidirection= al LSPs." >=20 > And in any case, the use modes 2 or 3 cannot guarantee the delivery > of echo responses through an IP network that is fundamentally > unreliable. The failure to deliver echo response messages can lead > to false negatives making it appear that the LSP has failed. >=20 > Allowing the ingress LSR to control the path used for echo reply > messages, and in particular forcing those messages to use an LSP > rather than being sent through the IP network, enables an operator to > apply an extra level of deterministic process to the LSP Ping test. >=20 > These two paragraphs seems to show a gross misconception on how reply wor= ks. > From 4379, the reply with mode #1 does not need to be sent over IP withou= t > MPLS. It can very well be sent over an LSP. In fact, given the right sour= ce IP > address in the LSP Ping Echo, the right return LSP can be chosen. This ne= eds to be > better explained so as not to "hype" the solution presented in the docume= nt. We will consider this, it's great if you have some suggested text.=20 >=20 > 3. Extensions >=20 > In addition, two new TLVs, the Reply Path TLV and Reply Traffic Class > (TC) [RFC5462] TLV, are defined in this document. >=20 > Given that the "Reply Path TLV" specifies an LSP and not a Path, I strong= ly suggest > the TLV be renamed to more specifically describe its functionality. In Section 3.3.1-3, it defines tunnel (not a particular LSP) to be as the r= eturn path, so the return path includes LSP and Tunnel; it seems "Path" is = more suitable. >=20 >=20 > 0x0004 The specified Reply Path was not found, the echo > reply was sent via other LSP > 0x0005 The specified Reply Path was not found, the echo > reply was sent via IP path >=20 > It is not clear what an IP path is, when sending an LSP Echo response as = an IP > datagram can be sent labeled as an LSP. Also, I assume these are without = Router > Alert, right? Yes. Here the IP path refers to pure IP forwarding path, not the LSP. >=20 > A (Alternative path): the egress LSR MUST select a non-default path > as the return path. This is very useful when reverse default path > problems are suspected which can be confirmed when the echo reply is > forced to follow a non-default return path. Here, the default path > refers to the path that the egress LSR will use to send the echo > reply when the return path is not explicitly specified as defined in > this document. If A bit is set, there is no need to carry any > specific reply path sub-TLVs, and when received, the sub-TLVs SHOULD > be ignored. >=20 > Do all implementations understand the same thing as "Default"? This seems > underspecified. The draft defines: "the default path refers to the path that the egress LSR will use to send = the echo reply when the return path is not explicitly specified as defined = in this document."=20 I think this definition is straightforward and clear:-) Do you have any sug= gestion? >=20 > Also, say that an LSP Ping is sent with source IP address as 192.0.2.1 ov= er an LSP. A > "default" return LSP is perhaps an LSP where 192.0.2.1/32 points to. How = would a > non-default be in this case? Send it to a wrong LSR? What should respondi= ng > router choose in this case? How can it choose a non-default without the > specification of an actual LSP? Of cause, send to wrong LSR is allowable, for this case, the non-default pa= th could be either an IP path or other LSPs (for example, a TE LSP). If the= re is non-default path, return code 0x0003 should be returned: 0x0003 The echo reply was sent successfully using the specified Reply Path >=20 > B (Bidirectional): the return path is required to follow the reverse > direction of the tested bidirectional LSP. If B bit is set, there is > no need to carry any specific reply path sub-TLVs, and when received, > the sub-TLVs SHOULD be ignored. >=20 > Is this default or non-default when this TLV is not used (pre-this spec)? It's implementation depend. RFC 4379 does not specify this;RFC6426 specifies the echo reply MUST be alo= ng the reverse direction, but have to use GAL+GACh (application channel mod= e).=20 >=20 > 3.2. Reply Path (RP) TLV >=20 > When reply mode (!=3D 5) and Reply Path TLV is received, which takes prec= edence > and what is the procedure? Per RFC4379, Malformed Error should be returned.=20 >=20 >=20 > 3.3. Reply Path sub-TLVs >=20 > In addition, this document defines three new sub-TLVs: IPv4 RSVP > Tunnel sub-TLV, IPv6 RSVP Tunnel sub-TLV, and Static Tunnel sub-TLV. >=20 > It is not clear why these are specified. The text does not seem to explai= n the > need, nor why these do not need to be specified for the TLV 1. Sometime, using tunnel other that specific LSP is more suitable, for exampl= e, when performing a long time ping for an TE LSP (as stated in RFC5884, se= ction 3.2), it could avoid the impact of the changes of LSP ID (e.g.,Make-B= efore-Break, LSP ID may change, but tunnel ID will not). Another usage is f= or BFD, it is stated in Section 3.3.1. How about this:(new text is in **) The IPv4 RSVP Tunnel sub-TLV is used in the Reply Path TLV to allow the operator to specify a more generic tunnel FEC other than a particular LSP as the return path. According to the bits set in the Flag field, the egress LSR will then choose an LSP from the specified Tunnel as the return path. One usage of this generic RSVP Tunnel sub-TLV is for bootstrapping BFD session on an MPLS Tunnel that has primary and secondary LSPs, especially when Make-Before-Break (MBB) is deployed. The usage is discussed in Section 4.2 of [I-D.chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement]. *Another usage is when LSP Ping is used to periodically verify the control plane against the data plane [RF= C5884], using Tunnel other than particular LSP can avoid the impact of LSP chang= ing when MBB is deployed.* =20 =20 It may apply to TLV 1, if the WG agree, I am fine to apply this to TLV 1. T= hen the IANA allocation could be easier.=20 >=20 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | MUST be zero |S|P| > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >=20 > Further, "primary" and "secondary" are not defined. Which specifications > explains what is a primary and a secondary? RFC4872 Section 4.2.1 defines the primary and secondary, we will add a refe= rence there.=20 >=20 > 3.3.3. Static Tunnel sub-TLV >=20 > Again, why is this not specified for the Echo as well? Same as above. >=20 > 4. Theory of Operation >=20 > When the echo reply message is intended to test the return MPLS LSP > path(when the A bit is not set in the previous received echo request > message), the destination IP address of the echo reply message MUST > never be used in a forwarding decision. >=20 > Is this really the meaning of the "A-bit"? The "A-bit" is as it defined in 3.2, here we just borrow the "A-bit" to ind= icate whether need to test the return path. The logic here is that since th= e "A-bit" is to choose an alternate path hence to deliver the echo reply ba= ck, test the return path is normally not intention here. And the path could= either IP or MPLS path, verify the IP path does not make sense.=20 >=20 > To avoid this possibility > the destination IP address of the echo reply message that is > transmitted along the specified return path MUST be set to numbers > from the range 127/8 for IPv4 or 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 for IPv6, and > the IP TTL MUST be set 1, and the TTL in the outermost label MUST be > set to 255. >=20 > 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 is ambiguous. This needs to be 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:7F00= /104 or > 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127.0.0.0/104 OK. >=20 > Of course when the echo reply message is not intended > for testing the specified return path (when the A bit is set in the > previous received echo request message) , the procedures defined in > [RFC4379] (the destination IP address is copied from the source IP > address) apply unchanged. >=20 > Does this mean that "Alternate" and "Non Default" are actually to follow = the > *Default* procedures from RFC 4379? Yes.=20 >=20 > 4.3. Sending an Echo Reply >=20 > and the IP TTL MUST be set to 1, the > TTL in the outermost label MUST be set to 255. >=20 > Should this follow draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv? Since the draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv(segment ping) only apply to MS-P= W and co-routed bidirectional LSP, hence to make sure the TLL is determined= . Specify a different return path other than the reverse path is not workab= le. IMHO, this draft may not apply to the segment ping. >=20 > 6.4. Reply Path Return Code >=20 > There seems to be a contradiction in this: >=20 > 0x0006-0xfffb Not allocated, allocated via Standard Action > 0xfffc-0xffff Experimental Use >=20 > The range of 0x0008-0xfffb is not allocated and reserved for future > extensions and is allocated via Standard Action, the range of 0xfffc- > 0xffff is for Experimental Use. >=20 > Overall -- what is the interaction with draft-ietf-mpls-remote-lsp-ping? = Note also > that document specifies a reply mode with the same value of "5". There is no interaction with draft-ietf-mpls-remote-lsp-ping yet. I think t= his is the result that defining a particular value without the confirmation= of IANA other than using TBD. I believe that this issue will be solved by = authors, chairs and IANA. >=20 > Also, this document does not seem to define backward compatibility > considerations. What happens if a pre-specification router receives a Rep= ly Mode > #5? The generic behavior of RFC 4379 is to respond with a generic "malfor= med > echo" error -- should there be a sub-code for Unknown reply mode -- in wh= ich > case it's a bit ironic to reply by some other mode -- to signal the speci= fic issue for > future reply codes? "malformed echo" error should be the right choice, a sub-code for unknown r= eply is better, but the RFC4379 does not specify this behavior.=20 >=20 > A final minor issue: this specification defines a new behavior for an ech= o reply in > which the Echo Reply message is destined to a loopback IP Address. If the= return > path is broken, a middle router will think the packet is destined to itse= lf (because > of the loopback) -- the behavior in this case is undefined and can result= in funny > behaviors, for example an ICMP port unreachable sent to the source or wei= rder. The same situation will happen for Echo Request:-). Section 2.1 of RFC4379= says: "RFC 1122 allocates the 127/8 as "Internal host loopback address" and states: "Addresses of this form MUST NOT appear outside a host." Thus, the default behavior of hosts is to discard such packets. This helps to ensure that if a diagnostic packet is misdirected to a host, it will be silently discarded." So, I think this issue is already solved by RFC4379.=20 >=20 > A last minor issue relates the IANA requests -- section 6.2 is already fa= irly > complex, yet it does not speak to the following: What happens when sub-TL= Vs > for TLV1 are defined? What is checked to make sure that this new sub-TLV = applies > to TLV21, and how? The same as TLV 16, TLV 21 will reuse all existing and future defined sub-T= LVs. Roni also raised this question, we proposed the following text: " No assignments of sub-TLVs in the range of 0-16383 and 32768-49161 are made directly for TLV Type 21, sub-TLVs in these ranges are=20 copied from the assignments made for TLV Type 1 and kept the same as that for TLV Type 1. All sub-TLVs in these ranges (include existing and future defined) defined for TLV Type 1 apply to TLV Type 21.=20 Assignments of sub-..." > Does this update IANA allocations for RFC 4379? Also, a > sub-TLV with sub-Type 16384 can be assigned to TLV1 with specification re= quired, > but needs Standards action for TLV 21? And from which of these eight rang= es are > sub-Types of Section 6.2.1 assigned, and why are not applicable to TLV Ty= pe 1 and > Type 16? The LSP Ping IANA structure has been updated, please refer to: https://www.= iana.org/assignments/mpls-lsp-ping-parameters/mpls-lsp-ping-parameters.xhtm= l#downstream-mapping. It specifies the 16384-31743 "Specification Required, Experimental RFC need= ed", and this draft is the Experimental "RFC". >=20 > I would include in the IANA instructions details within TLV 1 about the c= hanges > and "directly copied" to TLV21. I am fine with this. >=20 >=20 > Nits: >=20 > Abstract >=20 > This document defines extensions to the failure-detection protocol > for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) > known as "LSP Ping" that allow selection of the LSP to use for the > echo reply return path. >=20 > The abstract is key in that its legibility sets for the whole document. T= hese same > comments apply to the Introduction. >=20 > First, to be consistent with RFC4379, I'd qualify adding "...extensions t= o the > *data-plane* failure-detection protocol...". >=20 > Second, this is a very long sentence that reads better split in two: "kno= wn as "LSP > Ping". These extensions allow selection of the" OK, thanks for the suggestion. >=20 >=20 > The Reply via Specified Path mode is used to request that the remote > LSR receiving the LSP Ping echo request message sends back the echo > reply message along the specified paths carried in the Reply Path > TLV. >=20 > There is no such a thing as "LSP Ping echo request message" in RFC 4379. = The > same happens throughout the document, and should be fixed. OK, will look through the document to make them consistent with RFC 4379. >=20 >=20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Reply Path TLV Type | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Reply Path return code | Flag | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >=20 > These are "Flags" (plural). OK. >=20 > 0x0002 One or more of the sub-TLVs in Reply Path TLV > was not understood >=20 > s/was/were/ OK. >=20 >=20 > Additionally, idnits 2.12.17 finds the following: >=20 > ** There is 1 instance of too long lines in the document, the longest o= ne > being 1 character in excess of 72. OK. >=20 > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC6426' is defined on line 873, but no expli= cit > reference was found in the text OK. >=20 >=20 > I hope these are clear and useful! Very useful! Many thanks Mach >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Carlos Pignataro. From lsmt@ietf.org Wed Sep 4 02:12:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CE611E8199; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 02:12:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 440bZhTQ0kgI; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 02:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5624011E818F; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 02:12:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Liaison Statement Management Tool To: tsbsg15@itu.int X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.70.p1 Message-ID: <20130904091230.31991.87785.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 02:12:30 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org, loa@mail01.huawei.com, pwe3@ietf.org, Ghani.Abbas@Ericsson.com Subject: [mpls] New Liaison Statement, "In response to Liaison Statement on linear protection switching for MPLS-TP (COM15-LS052-E) " X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:12:31 -0000 Title: In response to Liaison Statement on linear protection switching for = MPLS-TP (COM15-LS052-E) Submission Date: 2013-09-04 URL of the IETF Web page: http://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1279/ From: Multiprotocol Label Switching (Loa Andersson ) To: ITU-T SG 15 (tsbsg15@itu.int) Cc: stbryant@cisco.com,adrian@olddog.co.uk,mpls@ietf.org,pwe3@ietf.org,Scot= t.Mansfield@Ericsson.com,db3546@att.com,jdrake@juniper.net,Steve.Trowbridge= @alcatel-lucent.com,Ghani.Abbas@Ericsson.com,malcolm.betts@zte.com.cn,tom.h= uber@tellabs.com Reponse Contact: loa@mail01.huawei.com Technical Contact: eosborne@cisco.com Purpose: In response Referenced liaison: Liaison Statement on linear protection switching for MP= LS-TP (reply to COM15-LS84r1-E / IETF LS-1256) (http://datatracker.ietf.org= /liaison/1272/) Body: Thank you for your liaison statement COM15-LS052-E "Linear Protection Switching for MPLS-TP=E2=80=9D. We are happy to inform you that the MPLS working group has many participants contributing to the work on MPLS-TP Linear Protection. We also encourage anyone interested to participate in the on-going discussion on the MPLS mailing list. Please find comments on the clarification requested in your liaison: With respect to the manual switch-over for recovery LSP/span portion, our reply =E2=80=9Cthat behavior should be considered a bug=E2=80=9D is ref= erring to the content of RFC6378 in that there was a lack of clarity in the RFC on behavior of a node. This issue is being addressed in an individual Internet draft that has been submitted and is being discussed on the mailing list as per the IETF process. We are pleased to inform you that individual Internet-Drafts have been posted to address all of the issues that have been raised. These drafts are receiving active and constructive discussion on the MPLS working group mailing list and have been passed to the MPLS Review Team for early review. We look forward to these drafts being updated to address the comments that have been raised, and hope there will soon be consensus to adopt them as working group drafts. = Loa Andersson Ross Callon George Swallow MPLS Working Group co-Chairs Attachments: No document has been attached From erosen@cisco.com Wed Sep 4 09:09:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8756F21F8FF5; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:09:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.56 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ct1nNrDPeqS; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-3.cisco.com (mtv-iport-3.cisco.com [173.36.130.14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377C121F8C93; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:09:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3446; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1378310955; x=1379520555; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:reply-to:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding:date:message-id; bh=P2rbgUY+UPhWCHGsci6MzPEYLjioao2nU5n3GEWTctw=; b=YfPGEG7plGol6t7Y0imVbMm7mFdkakAxceneo4TcsLAPFV2exWwzeDxc vAXKH9MLG3t6oAaTh6MP3cbSr7qtA5FMaEg9hkbVha0s00yFVEHte5roI rik10mpKO1ayZtoeu/B3hDd4fcUHojZyi2UIz+3jywIcl2LjnFtsJ2dUC A=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,1022,1367971200"; d="scan'208";a="88456374" Received: from mtv-core-2.cisco.com ([171.68.58.7]) by mtv-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Sep 2013 16:09:09 +0000 Received: from erosen-linux.cisco.com (erosen-linux.cisco.com [161.44.70.34]) by mtv-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r84G97Mo018457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 4 Sep 2013 16:09:08 GMT Received: from erosen-linux (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by erosen-linux.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r84G97vh031220; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 12:09:07 -0400 From: Eric Rosen To: Lizhong Jin In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 03 Sep 2013 00:24:01 +0800. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 12:09:07 -0400 Message-ID: <31219.1378310947@erosen-linux> Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-mpls-targeted-mldp.all@tools.ietf.org, mpls@ietf.org, rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-targeted-mldp-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: erosen@cisco.com List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 16:09:21 -0000 Thank you for taking a close look at this draft again. > 1. Section 1 is introduction, but section 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 seem to=A0define = the > specification, not overview introduction. It is suggest to have a separate > section to describe the introduction. Fair enough. Sections 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4 will be "promoted" to sections 2, 3, and 4 respectively, leaving the old section 1.1 as the introduction. > 2. Section 1.1, the reference of mLDP RFC is indexed by [mLDP], not > [RFC6388] (same for [LDP-UP]). I am not quite sure IETF template allows > this, please check This style of cross-reference is very commonly used. > 3. Section 1.2.1, line 176, what if there is IGP neighbors, and there is > targeted LDP session between U and D? This is possible in some > deployments. The cited text: - U is the "BGP next hop" on D's path to R, where U and D are not IGP neighbors, and where there is a Targeted LDP session between U and D. In this case, we allow D to select U as the "upstream LSR" for . suggests that the targeted session cannot be used in this case. Probably it is best to leave the handling of this case as a choice for the SP, so I will change it to ""where U and D are not necessarily IGP neighbors". This would allow the targeted session to be used if so chosen. > 4. Section 1.2.1, line 188, is there a precedence among the different > methods, and the operator could define the precedence? I think it is best to just say (as it does) "the method is chosen by provisioning". Whether it is possible for an operator to configure an ordered list of methods to try is a local matter (i.e., doesn't have to be specified in the RFC). > 5. Section 3, line 356, how does D know to send label request, not label > mapping message? Multicast or unicast from U to D is determined by U, and > D could not get this information automatically. Then is there any static > configuration required here? As stated in section 1.3 (section 3 in the next revision): "the choice between unicast replication and multicast tunneling is determined by provisioning, or by other methods that are outside the scope of this specification. It is presupposed that all nodes will have a priori knowledge of whether to use unicast replication or to use multicast tunneling. If the latter, it is presupposed that all nodes will have a priori knowledge of the type of multicast tunneling to use." > 6. Section 3, line 358, the label request messages mentioned in the text > should be upstream=A0label request message. It is better to explicit to s= ay > this. =20=20=20 I'll add that D1 and D2 follow the procedures of Section 4 of [LDP-UP] when requesting U to assign the label. > 7. Section 3, line 382, it is said: While it is possible to do this, it is > highly RECOMMENDED that MP2MP LSPs be tunneled through MP2MP LSPs. I do > not quite understand this statement. This specification does not describe > the mechanism of MP2MP LSPs being tunneled through MP2MP LSPs. From my > view, MP2MP LSPs over MP2MP LSPs is not easy, and should resolve the > upstream label uniqueness among different upstream nodes. It should be > caution to have this recommendations here. Perhaps it would be best just to say: Procedures for tunneling MP2MP LSPs through P2MP or MP2MP LSPs are outside the scope of this document.=20 From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Sep 4 09:38:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AE521F93D4; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:38:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1RinFSA8cZzF; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A1B21E80E6; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:38:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.70.p1 Message-ID: <20130904163813.8353.3236.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:38:13 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-targeted-mldp-04.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 16:38:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Gro= up of the IETF. Title : Using LDP Multipoint Extensions on Targeted LDP Sessions Author(s) : Maria Napierala Eric C. Rosen IJsbrand Wijnands Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-targeted-mldp-04.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2013-09-04 Abstract: Label Distribution Protocol (LDP) can be used to set up Point-to- Multipoint (P2MP) and Multipoint-to-Multipoint (MP2MP) Label Switched Paths. However, the specification for the Multipoint Extensions to LDP presupposes that the two endpoints of an LDP session are directly connected. The LDP base specification allows for the case where the two endpoints of an LDP session are not directly connected; such a session is known as a "Targeted LDP" session. This document provides the specification for using the LDP Multipoint Extensions over a Targeted LDP session. 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Thanks, Ross (as MPLS WG co-chair) From lizho.jin@gmail.com Wed Sep 4 19:06:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FB711E8237; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 19:06:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bk0RWSUMX4Bi; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 19:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qe0-x22b.google.com (mail-qe0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::22b]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D0711E8155; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 19:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f43.google.com with SMTP id gh4so642128qeb.2 for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2013 19:06:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=OuuLprFv+Vx8NujXMpcj2Qs1eOll5oRoSdPMToKkRkg=; b=ETApS8iHdc7qMIPDvScSWudzi9Yy3bECoqWWD8RE3BLuoR5SRidIp9ayixviJWA9vi pJsqiV1WPad26R20sQKkQ29R/EKzg+pMDfzzJ+KYcJSrojQ887gsrZOowoWZXnfkR+EU IzKj4aLFqZ+wmzXfdj1m3R/Rfadp7qTv76ZTKIOo2dZ9JeUN0YhQ8eWRW5Qhh5ZRJpnw CPzvUhr8Pw1FkGi5jmc8viwMjiuCsCqfMVg0yXwexzz6J+RLZKuVwLWKGXgH/ZiiKhT9 5uujw5SXQtR0cJgKbfsJkK+Mb8LCWQicwbd40nmVW+sIU2tXQ2pEB1UVyr3W2pZipopq V97Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.185.68 with SMTP id cn4mr7041215qcb.5.1378346791794; Wed, 04 Sep 2013 19:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.3.225 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 19:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 10:06:31 +0800 Message-ID: From: Lizhong Jin To: erosen@cisco.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134a474e6fc9504e5995ee2 Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-mpls-targeted-mldp.all@tools.ietf.org, "mpls@ietf.org" , rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-targeted-mldp-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 02:06:33 -0000 --001a1134a474e6fc9504e5995ee2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Eric, I am OK with all your reply and clarification. Thanks Lizhong On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Eric Rosen wrote: > Thank you for taking a close look at this draft again. > [Lizhong] my pleasure to reivew again. :) > > > 1. Section 1 is introduction, but section 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 seem to define > the > > specification, not overview introduction. It is suggest to have a > separate > > section to describe the introduction. > > Fair enough. Sections 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4 will be "promoted" to sections 2, > 3, and 4 respectively, leaving the old section 1.1 as the introduction. > [Lizhong] good. > > > 2. Section 1.1, the reference of mLDP RFC is indexed by [mLDP], not > > [RFC6388] (same for [LDP-UP]). I am not quite sure IETF template allows > > this, please check > > This style of cross-reference is very commonly used. > [Lizhong] I am OK now. > > > 3. Section 1.2.1, line 176, what if there is IGP neighbors, and there is > > targeted LDP session between U and D? This is possible in some > > deployments. > > The cited text: > > - U is the "BGP next hop" on D's path to R, where U and D are not > IGP neighbors, and where there is a Targeted LDP session between > U and D. In this case, we allow D to select U as the "upstream > LSR" for . > > suggests that the targeted session cannot be used in this case. Probably > it > is best to leave the handling of this case as a choice for the SP, so I > will > change it to ""where U and D are not necessarily IGP neighbors". This > would > allow the targeted session to be used if so chosen. > [Lizhong] I am OK now. > > > 4. Section 1.2.1, line 188, is there a precedence among the different > > methods, and the operator could define the precedence? > > I think it is best to just say (as it does) "the method is chosen by > provisioning". Whether it is possible for an operator to configure an > ordered list of methods to try is a local matter (i.e., doesn't have to be > specified in the RFC). > [Lizhong] OK now. > > > 5. Section 3, line 356, how does D know to send label request, not label > > mapping message? Multicast or unicast from U to D is determined by U, and > > D could not get this information automatically. Then is there any static > > configuration required here? > > As stated in section 1.3 (section 3 in the next revision): > > "the choice between unicast replication and multicast tunneling is > determined by provisioning, or by other methods that are outside the > scope of this specification. It is presupposed that all nodes will have > a priori knowledge of whether to use unicast replication or to use > multicast tunneling. If the latter, it is presupposed that all nodes > will have a priori knowledge of the type of multicast tunneling to use." > [Lizhong] OK, I missed this. > > > 6. Section 3, line 358, the label request messages mentioned in the text > > should be upstream label request message. It is better to explicit to say > > this. > > I'll add that D1 and D2 follow the procedures of Section 4 of [LDP-UP] when > requesting U to assign the label. > [Lizhong] OK. > > > 7. Section 3, line 382, it is said: While it is possible to do this, it > is > > highly RECOMMENDED that MP2MP LSPs be tunneled through MP2MP LSPs. I do > > not quite understand this statement. This specification does not describe > > the mechanism of MP2MP LSPs being tunneled through MP2MP LSPs. From my > > view, MP2MP LSPs over MP2MP LSPs is not easy, and should resolve the > > upstream label uniqueness among different upstream nodes. It should be > > caution to have this recommendations here. > > Perhaps it would be best just to say: > > Procedures for tunneling MP2MP LSPs through P2MP or MP2MP LSPs are > outside the scope of this document. > > [Lizhong] Agree --001a1134a474e6fc9504e5995ee2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Eric,
I am OK with all your reply and clarification.
=A0
Thanks
Lizhong

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 12:0= 9 AM, Eric Rosen <erosen@cisco.com> wrote:
Thank you for taking a close look at this draft again.
[Lizhong] my pleasure to reivew again. :)=A0

> 1. Section 1 is introduction, but section 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 seem to=A0defi= ne the
> specification, not overview introduction. It is suggest to have a sepa= rate
> section to describe the introduction.

Fair enough. =A0Sections 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4 will be "promoted&quo= t; to sections 2,
3, and 4 respectively, leaving the old section 1.1 as the introduction.
=
[Lizhong] good.=A0

> 2. Section 1.1, the reference of mLDP RFC is indexed by [mLDP], not > [RFC6388] (same for [LDP-UP]). I am not quite sure IETF template allow= s
> this, please check

This style of cross-reference is very commonly used.
=
[Lizhong]=A0I am OK now.=A0

> 3. Section 1.2.1, line 176, what if there is IGP neighbors, and there = is
> targeted LDP session between U and D? This is possible in some
> deployments.

The cited text:

=A0 =A0 =A0- U is the "BGP next hop" on D's path to R, where = U and D are not
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0IGP neighbors, and where there is a Targeted LDP session bet= ween
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0U and D. =A0In this case, we allow D to select U as the &quo= t;upstream
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0LSR" for <R,X>.

suggests that the targeted session cannot be used in this case. =A0Probably= it
is best to leave the handling of this case as a choice for the SP, so I wil= l
change it to ""where U and D are not necessarily IGP neighbors&qu= ot;. =A0This would
allow the targeted session to be used if so chosen.
= =A0[Lizhong] I am OK now.

> 4. Section 1.2.1, line 188, is there a precedence among the different<= br> > methods, and the operator could define the precedence?

I think it is best to just say (as it does) "the method is chose= n by
provisioning". =A0Whether it is possible for an operator to configure = an
ordered list of methods to try is a local matter (i.e., doesn't have to= be
specified in the RFC).
[Lizhong]=A0OK now.=A0

> 5. Section 3, line 356, how does D know to send label request, not lab= el
> mapping message? Multicast or unicast from U to D is determined by U, = and
> D could not get this information automatically. Then is there any stat= ic
> configuration required here?

As stated in section 1.3 (section 3 in the next revision):

=A0 =A0"the choice between unicast replication and multicast tunneling= is
=A0 =A0determined by provisioning, or by other methods that are outside the=
=A0 =A0scope of this specification. =A0It is presupposed that all nodes wil= l have
=A0 =A0a priori knowledge of whether to use unicast replication or to use =A0 =A0multicast tunneling. =A0If the latter, it is presupposed that all no= des
=A0 =A0will have a priori knowledge of the type of multicast tunneling to u= se."
[Lizhong]=A0OK,=A0I missed this.=A0

> 6. Section 3, line 358, the label request messages mentioned in the te= xt
> should be upstream=A0label request message. It is better to explicit t= o say
> this.

I'll add that D1 and D2 follow the procedures of Section 4 of [LD= P-UP] when
requesting U to assign the label.
[Lizhong] OK.=A0=A0<= /div>

> 7. Section 3, line 382, it is said: While it is possible to do this, i= t is
> highly RECOMMENDED that MP2MP LSPs be tunneled through MP2MP LSPs. I d= o
> not quite understand this statement. This specification does not descr= ibe
> the mechanism of MP2MP LSPs being tunneled through MP2MP LSPs. From my=
> view, MP2MP LSPs over MP2MP LSPs is not easy, and should resolve the > upstream label uniqueness among different upstream nodes. It should be=
> caution to have this recommendations here.

Perhaps it would be best just to say:

=A0 =A0 =A0Procedures for tunneling MP2MP LSPs through P2MP or MP2MP LSPs a= re
=A0 =A0 =A0outside the scope of this document.

[Lizhong]=A0Agree=A0

--001a1134a474e6fc9504e5995ee2-- From cpignata@cisco.com Wed Sep 4 21:44:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F3D11E8113 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:44:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.486 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.486 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.113, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MvnM011rY5-n for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77F711E80D7 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:44:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1400; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1378356259; x=1379565859; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=tjdip/iPNkU3uchOVMFpOZJ40CMPP9fmunxW/+A392s=; b=V0GVLNUyPanRGxZ4yPG5lC+mupT4813QkQDja8SFZAFiqQ1lE/2hoS1U hUZqnrsOGtY0NaFcK+xYpi3G48oSF4m+Q34QuK276KeSTzcAz3CeqKqHe t6thcbEln2kTcAV+7ln4ob21sBK5W7PVJFZBOHjDowOOmALEJjN8p6rRl c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiUFAKYLKFKtJV2Y/2dsb2JhbABbgwfCTIEuFnSCJAEBAQMBHR00BgUFCwIBCA4nARAyJQIEDgWHfAa6QI4XEIEGMweDHYEAA5d1kWaDIIFx X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.90,843,1371081600"; d="scan'208";a="255785086" Received: from rcdn-core-1.cisco.com ([173.37.93.152]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2013 04:44:17 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com [173.36.12.81]) by rcdn-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r854iHnf018850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:44:17 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([169.254.5.15]) by xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com ([173.36.12.81]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 4 Sep 2013 23:44:17 -0500 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: Ross Callon Thread-Topic: IPR poll on draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries Thread-Index: AQHOqc7zr34KmlV7OEar9+UOifSHiZm2kYnK Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:44:16 +0000 Message-ID: <18A1E5DF-6A15-4249-84EB-783AA52A4EB3@cisco.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "loa@mail01.huawei.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 04:44:25 -0000 Ross, Thank you. I am not aware of any IPR on this document.=20 Thanks, Thumb typed by Carlos Pignataro. Excuze typofraphicak errows On Sep 4, 2013, at 8:30 PM, "Ross Callon" wrote: > Working Group, >=20 > The authors of draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be called for adoption=20 > as a WG document.=20 >=20 > Before starting the the call for adoption we need to do an IPR poll. >=20 > This mail starts that IPR poll. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-regi= stries? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The=20 > documents will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 > Thanks, Ross > (as MPLS WG co-chair) >=20 >=20 From ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org Thu Sep 5 03:14:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A9611E8183 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 03:14:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.049, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id krG1XR5j5MOn for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 03:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E2611E818A for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 03:14:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.70.p1 Message-ID: <20130905101434.18295.60810.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 03:14:34 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Subject: [mpls] Milestones changed for mpls WG X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 10:14:35 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit draft-ietf-mpls-retire-ach-tlv for publication", resolved as "Done". URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ From loa@mail01.huawei.com Thu Sep 5 03:22:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F74B21E80F2 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 03:22:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aFC4exYouygZ for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 03:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285D721E80F0 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 03:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.133] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 07AA61802038; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 12:22:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <52285B5C.1030900@mail01.huawei.com> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:22:20 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" References: <18A1E5DF-6A15-4249-84EB-783AA52A4EB3@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <18A1E5DF-6A15-4249-84EB-783AA52A4EB3@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ross Callon , "mpls@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 10:22:32 -0000 Ross, I don't know of any IPR that could possibly relate to this document. /Loa On 2013-09-05 06:44, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote: > Ross, > > Thank you. I am not aware of any IPR on this document. > > Thanks, > > Thumb typed by Carlos Pignataro. > Excuze typofraphicak errows > > On Sep 4, 2013, at 8:30 PM, "Ross Callon" wrote: > >> Working Group, >> >> The authors of draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries has told the >> working group chairs that the draft is ready to be called for adoption >> as a WG document. >> >> Before starting the the call for adoption we need to do an IPR poll. >> >> This mail starts that IPR poll. >> >> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries? >> >> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >> >> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to >> this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant >> IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The >> documents will not advance to the next stage until a response >> has been received from each author and contributor. >> >> If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or >> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any >> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >> >> Thanks, Ross >> (as MPLS WG co-chair) >> >> > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From cpignata@cisco.com Thu Sep 5 06:25:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519F211E8197; 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boundary="Apple-Mail=_3DFCD649-144E-4207-B729-5CCB0BABB91E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "" , "draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping.all@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "" Subject: Re: [mpls] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:25:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3DFCD649-144E-4207-B729-5CCB0BABB91E Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_371865F7-3995-4ABD-87B7-685CAC5AECB5" --Apple-Mail=_371865F7-3995-4ABD-87B7-685CAC5AECB5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, Mach, Many thanks for the prompt response! Glad these are useful -- please = find some follow-ups inline. On Sep 3, 2013, at 11:52 PM, Mach Chen wrote: > Hi Carlos, >=20 > Many thanks for your detailed review and comments! >=20 > Please my reply inline... >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of >> Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) >> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:53 AM >> To: >> Cc: ; >> draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping.all@tools.ietf.org; = mpls@ietf.org >> Subject: [mpls] RtgDir review: >> draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt >>=20 >> Hello, >>=20 >> I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this = draft. The >> Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related = drafts as they >> pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special = request. >> The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing = ADs. For more >> information about the Routing Directorate, please see >> http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/routing.html >>=20 >> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, = it would >> be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last = Call >> comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through = discussion or by >> updating the draft. >>=20 >> Document: draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt >> Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro >> Review Date: 02 September 2013 >> IETF LC End Date: 04 September 2013 >> Intended Status: Proposed Standard >>=20 >> Summary: >>=20 >> I have significant concerns about this document and recommend that = the Routing >> ADs discuss these issues further with the authors. >>=20 >> Comments: >>=20 >> This document defines useful functionality. It is also generally well = written and is >> fairly detailed and comprehensive. >>=20 >> At the same time, for a set of extensions that attempts to provide = more >> determinism in a failure detection protocol, I believe there is still = significant >> ambiguity in a few underspecified elements and behaviors. >>=20 >> Although I have marked a number of "major" issues, some of them = should be >> relatively easy to fix. Others, however, pose somewhat fundamental = questions. >>=20 >> I hope these review comments are clear and useful! >>=20 >>=20 >> Major Issues: >>=20 >> The first major issue that I would like to have discussed is the = usage of these >> extensions for BFD for MPLS bootstrapping. The Abstract in this = document sets to >> prove that the extensions thereby defined can be used for BFD for = MPLS >> bootstrapping. However, I believe that the document is underdefined = to make >> that claim in the Abstract. >>=20 >> There is somewhat of a contradiction in that, to make BFD for MPLS >> bootstrapping using these extensions work, specific protocol = definitions (i.e., >> 2119 language in the BFD for MPLS bootstrapping state machine) need = to take >> place in BFD, as per draft-chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement. However, that >> document is only an Informative reference in this document. It = appears to me >> that, without draft-chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement, the claim of the = Abstract >> cannot be fulfilled. By way of process, I also believe this might = have not been >> tested with the BFD working group. >>=20 >> In any case, the only mention of BFD for MPLS bootstrapping in this = document is >> by passing as an example in Section 3.3.1. Due to all of these = reasons, I believe >> this doc should remove the goal of BFD improvements al together or = majorly >> qualify and downgrade the usage with BFD. >=20 > We are fine to remove the goal of BFD from the Abstract and = Introduction section.=20 OK. What about the mention in Section 3.3.1? It says "One usage of this = generic RSVP Tunnel sub-TLV is for bootstrapping BFD session..." but = this cannot be achieved without I-D.chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement. I think = this is not harmful but not too useful either. >=20 >>=20 >> A second major issue is a question: Given how RFC 4379 defines the = reply mode 4 >> ("Reply via application level control channel"). Given a = bidirectional LSP. Doesn't >> using GAL+GACh and Reply Mode #4 solve this whole problem? Why is = that one >> not discussed? Basically, RFC 4379 uses RFC 5085 as the reference = example of >> reply mode #4. Since RFC 5586 generalizes the VCCV associated channel = to LSPs, >> then we have a generic control channel to be used with reply mode #4. >=20 > To solve which problem you refer to here? ( By using the Reply Mode 4 = and GAL+GACh) I meant in a use similar to RFC 6426 actually. See below also. >=20 >>=20 >> Also, what's the relationship to RFC 6426 and TLV 16? Another return = path? >=20 > TLV 16 is designed to verify the return path, but the return path = selection is still a local decision of the egress (in RFC6426, it states = the return path MUST be the reverse LSP of a bidirectional LSP) as = defined in RFC4379. The Reply Path TLV is designed to specify the return = path, they are different and there is no relationship to TLV 16. >=20 I understand. My question is more related to the following scenarios: If an Echo request with the R global flag is set, and with TLV21 is = received, should the response include duplicate redundant information in = TLV16 and TLV21? If an Echo request with the R global flag is set, and with TLV21 = specifying a non-reverse LSP of a bidirectional LSP, should the = responder honor the MUST of RFC 6426 or the MUST of this document (since = they appear to be mutually contradicting)? Or more generically, should this document build from TLV16 or define its = own TLV? >>=20 >> A third major issue has to do with the treatment of Inter-AS = scenarios in this draft. >> In Sections 2.1 and 2.2, this draft is implicitly presented as a = solution for MPLS >> Echo in "inter-domain LSPs" and "inter-domain/inter-AS LSP". The = problems in >> these cases are more convoluted than what this draft describes, and = includes lack >> of addressing context and initiator address unknown (not only that = the IP Router >> Alert label might not work in the boundary). I believe that this = draft should not >> call those cases since are not solved by the addition of a new reply = mode. >=20 > Section 2.1, bullet 2 talks about inter-AS; for inter-as LSP, with = RFC4379, in order to check the reverse LSP, the LSP Ping has to be = initiated from the other end reside in other AS, this may not possible = since the other AS may belong to different administrative domain. With = this new reply mode, an LSP Ping could detect both the forward and = reverse LSP of the bidirectional LSP, or an LSP Ping detects the forward = direction of an LSP and the reverse direction of another LSP ( for = example, using a deemed workable LSP to send echo request, and = specifying a suspect LSP as the return path hence to test it) , the = operator does not need to initiate two LSP Pings from both ends = separately. The new reply mode is mainly designed to achieve this.=20 >=20 I am not totally clear on this scenario -- in an inter-as LSP, are you = saying that a return LSP is always known from the other AS? And is this somewhat of a proxy ping functionality? > Section 2.2 mainly talks about the "Limitations of Existing Mechanisms = for Handling Unreliable Return Paths", mention inter-domain is to = explain one of the cases where the echo reply cannot be delivered back = even with router alert mode.=20 > As the draft states, it provides an extra level of deterministic = process to deliver the echo reply back by specifying a more = deterministic path (e.g., TE LSP). >=20 > "Allowing the ingress LSR to control the path used for echo reply > messages, and in particular forcing those messages to use an LSP > rather than being sent through the IP network, enables an operator = to > apply an extra level of deterministic process to the LSP Ping test." >=20 >>=20 >> A fourth major issue has to do with the use of IP Path versus LSP = Path, as per a >> number of Minor issues described below that, together, amount to a = major. See >> minor issues section. >=20 > Please see my relies in Minor issues part. >=20 >>=20 >> A fifth major issue concerns itself with ECMP upon return. Saying = that the >> response should be sent over the LSP with target FEC Stack of LDP = IPv4 prefix of >> 192.0.2.27/32 is not enough, as there are potentially multiple paths = throughout. I >> believe this topic should be discussed. In the Echo direction, this = is solved with >> the Downstream Mapping mechanics. That is overkill for the response, = but again, >> multi path can give false negatives the same deeming the whole = solution >> unusable (since at the end it cannot provide the prescriptiveness). >=20 > Indeed, Downstream Mapping mechanics is overkill here for response.=20 >=20 > Section 4.3 Sending an Echo Reply >=20 > Second Para talks about how to set the destination address that will = affect the ECMP path selection. >=20 > How about this? >=20 > Old: > "When the echo reply is intended to test the return path (the A is not > set in the previous received echo request), the destination IP > address of the echo reply message MUST never be used in a forwarding > decision. To avoid this problem, the IP destination address of the > echo reply message that is transmitted along the specified return > path MUST be set to numbers from the range 127/8 for IPv4 or > 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 for IPv6, and the IP TTL MUST be set to 1, = the > TTL in the outermost label MUST be set to 255." >=20 > New=20 > "When the echo reply is intended to test the return path (the A is not > set in the previous received echo request), the destination IP > address of the echo reply message MUST never be used in a forwarding > decision. *In addition, there may be ECMP paths for a specified FEC, = in > case always select a failure path*, the IP destination address of = the > echo reply message that is transmitted along the specified return > path MUST be set to an address *(random chosen)* from the range = 127/8 for IPv4 or > 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 for IPv6, and the IP TTL MUST be set to 1, = the > TTL in the outermost label MUST be set to 255." >=20 I do not think this addresses the issue. First, because that paragraph = covers the "A is not set" case, and this is when you are using a = destination of 127/8. With a destination of the source of the echo = message you can have the same phenomenon. If you send 4 LSP Pings and = the fact that they have different source UDP port result in the = responder choosing different ECMPs (for a *chosen* FEC), would that = confuse more? That should be covered outside of A-bit set vs. not set. >>=20 >> A last major issue concerns itself with Security considerations. = Using these >> extensions, a node can instruct another node to send replies out of = any LSP, >> including LSPs that do not go back to the source. Further, an = attacker can send >> MPLS Echo nodes to many nodes vectoring responses to a node target of = a DDoS >> attack. The security considerations briefly touches this point and = says that "the >> return path LSP MUST have destination to the same node where the = forward >> path is from". However, it is not clear how a node can actually = evaluate and >> actually verify and enforce this MUST. It is quite possible that this = check is not >> possible to make. >=20 > Since the echo request carries the source address/identifier of the = ingress/initiator, when received a specified return path, the return = path should also have the destination address/identifier point to the = ingress/initiator , with these two addresses/identifiers, the egress = should be able to perform the above check IMHO.=20 >=20 This seems to assume that the initiator has a single address. If for = troubleshooting purposes, an echo is sent with a source address of an = interface, and the return path specified is a prefix FEC with a = loopback/32 of the same node. How does the responder know it's the same = node and not a victim? >>=20 >>=20 >> Minor Issues: >>=20 >> Does this document update RFC 4379? >>=20 >> 1. Introduction >>=20 >> The procedures defined in this document >> currently only apply to "ping" mode. The "traceroute" mode is out = of >> scope for this document. >>=20 >> I am note sure if this is major or minor -- but separating traceroute = mode as out >> of scope seems like a huge gap. Are there specific issues with using = these >> extensions in traceroute mode? The last hop of a traceroute is = equivalent to a >> ping -- can these extensions be used there? >=20 > The procedures can easily apply to traceroute when only tracing the = forward direction; but for reverse direction, the procedures will become = complicate, something like proxy traceroute, the egress will be the = proxy, more consideration and mechanisms are needed. Thus, we leave it = future study. I did not mean to trace the reverse direction, but rather, perform a = regular LSP Trace but specifying the reply path. >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> The defined extensions can also be >> utilized for creating a single Bidirectional Forwarding Detection >> (BFD)[RFC5880], [RFC5884] session for a bidirectional LSP or for a >> pair of unidirectional LSPs (one for each direction). >>=20 >> For BFD for bidirectional LSPs, there is no need to use LSP Ping = bootstrapping, >> since the context of the session can be directly gleaned as defined = in RFC 5885. In >> other words, single-hop BFD initialization is enough -- why would = someone want >> to use bootstrapping with LSP Ping, and then specific extensions, = when the >> context of the BFD discriminators is understood from the label = (again, as per RFC >> 5885)? >=20 > As described in RFC5884, Section 5 >=20 > " A BFD session may be established for a FEC associated with an MPLS > LSP. As described above, in the case of PHP or when the egress LSR > distributes an explicit null label to the penultimate hop router, or > next-hop label allocation, the BFD Control packet received by the > egress LSR does not contain sufficient information to associate it > with a BFD session." >=20 > Even for bidirectional LSP, only if there are PHP, explicit null = label, or next-hop label allocation situations, LSP Ping bootstrapping = is needed IMHO.=20 I am still concerned about this usage of this draft for BFD = bootstrapping. What is the LSP Ping bootstrap Echo's reply used for? =46rom RFC 5884 = (emphasis added by me with "*" markers): *On receipt of the LSP Ping Echo request message, the egress LSR MUST send a BFD Control packet to the ingress LSR*, if the validation of the FEC in the LSP Ping Echo request message succeeds. This BFD Control packet MUST set the Your Discriminator field to the discriminator received from the ingress LSR in the LSP Ping Echo request message. *The egress LSR MAY respond with an LSP Ping Echo reply message* that carries the local discriminator assigned by it = for the BFD session. The local discriminator assigned by the egress LSR MUST be used as the My Discriminator field in the BFD session packets sent by the egress LSR. The responder responds with BFD and *MAY* respond with LSP Ping Echo = reply. What do you gain by using this new TLV in the bootstrap? You do = not gain anything on the LSP Ping bootstrap side of it. If, on the other hand, what you gain is that the BFD packets on the = return path need to be sent in this specified path, then that = functionality is underspecified and should not be called out as = something to do. Has the BFD WG looked into this? That needs BFD state = and protocol machinery changes, and not something to mention in passing. = There are levels of details, like if BFD stores this new return path and = then routing or forwarding changes, etc. And yes, if context is lost on receipt then you need to bootstrap and = not use 1hop initialization. Net-net: I do not see a good reason to keep any BFD mention, this should = be a separate piece of work and have BFD WG input. What do you think? >=20 >>=20 >> In this document, the term bidirectional LSP includes the co-routed >> bidirectional LSP defined in [RFC3945] and the associated >> bidirectional LSP that is constructed from a pair of unidirectional >> LSPs (one for each direction), and which are associated with one >> another at the LSP's ingress/egress points [RFC5654]. The = mechanisms >> defined in this document can apply to both IP/MPLS and MPLS = Transport >> Profile (MPLS-TP) scenarios. >>=20 >> Two key questions: >> 1. What about Pseudowires? >=20 > Theoretically, PW can be treated as an associated bidirectional LSP, = so it's possible to specify another PW other than the reverse PW. >=20 >> 2. How can this apply to MPLS-TP when MPLS-TP might not have an IP = control >> plane (to run LSP Ping)? >=20 > For MPLS-TP (non-control plane), the only difference is the = encapsulation, the GAL+GACh can also be used as defined RFC6426. Maybe = we could add some text to state this. Sounds good -- thank you. >>=20 >>=20 >> 2. Problem Statements and Solution Overview >>=20 >> MPLS LSP Ping is defined in [RFC4379]. It can be used to detect = data >> path failures in all MPLS LSPs, and was originally designed for >> unidirectional LSPs. >>=20 >> Where does RFC4379 limits its scope to unidirectional LSPs? >=20 > RFC 4379 does not explicitly state this, but from procedures it = defined, since the echo rely does not carry any FEC stack information, = the verification is only for forward direction, not for reverse = direction.=20 >=20 > Maybe it more proper to state: "...and was mainly designed for = unidirectional LSPs." >=20 Instead of the design intent, I would call out something similar to you = said: not that the echo reply does not carry target FEC stack because = that's not correct -- but that "The FEC Stack TLV from the echo request = MAY be copied to the reply." >=20 >>=20 >> And in any case, the use modes 2 or 3 cannot guarantee the delivery >> of echo responses through an IP network that is fundamentally >> unreliable. The failure to deliver echo response messages can lead >> to false negatives making it appear that the LSP has failed. >>=20 >> Allowing the ingress LSR to control the path used for echo reply >> messages, and in particular forcing those messages to use an LSP >> rather than being sent through the IP network, enables an operator = to >> apply an extra level of deterministic process to the LSP Ping test. >>=20 >> These two paragraphs seems to show a gross misconception on how reply = works. >> =46rom 4379, the reply with mode #1 does not need to be sent over IP = without >> MPLS. It can very well be sent over an LSP. In fact, given the right = source IP >> address in the LSP Ping Echo, the right return LSP can be chosen. = This needs to be >> better explained so as not to "hype" the solution presented in the = document. >=20 > We will consider this, it's great if you have some suggested text.=20 This is a bit tricky. Note RFC 4379 says by way of example: If the Reply Mode in the echo request is "Reply via an IPv4 UDP packet with Router Alert", then the IP header MUST contain the Router Alert IP option. If the reply is sent over an LSP, the topmost label MUST in this case be the Router Alert label (1) (see [LABEL-STACK]). Which implies that "reply via IPv4 UDP packet with/without RA" does not = mean MUST be unlabeled IPv4 packet. If there's an LSP towards source/32, = it would go labeled. >=20 >>=20 >> 3. Extensions >>=20 >> In addition, two new TLVs, the Reply Path TLV and Reply Traffic = Class >> (TC) [RFC5462] TLV, are defined in this document. >>=20 >> Given that the "Reply Path TLV" specifies an LSP and not a Path, I = strongly suggest >> the TLV be renamed to more specifically describe its functionality. >=20 > In Section 3.3.1-3, it defines tunnel (not a particular LSP) to be as = the return path, so the return path includes LSP and Tunnel; it seems = "Path" is more suitable. >=20 OK, just a suggestion. >>=20 >>=20 >> 0x0004 The specified Reply Path was not found, the echo >> reply was sent via other LSP >> 0x0005 The specified Reply Path was not found, the echo >> reply was sent via IP path >>=20 >> It is not clear what an IP path is, when sending an LSP Echo response = as an IP >> datagram can be sent labeled as an LSP. Also, I assume these are = without Router >> Alert, right? >=20 > Yes. >=20 > Here the IP path refers to pure IP forwarding path, not the LSP. >=20 If I understand these set of rules correctly, this says that when the = Reply Path is not found, then the LSP Ping reply can be sent IP = unlabeled. Reading Sections 3.2 and 3.3, the Reply Paths field is = specified when A is not set. However, Section 4.3 says: When the echo reply is intended to test the return path (the A is not set in the previous received echo request), the destination IP address of the echo reply message MUST never be used in a forwarding decision. To avoid this problem, the IP destination address of the echo reply message that is transmitted along the=20 meaning if A is not set, the reply cannot be sent over IP. By the way, I think that "MUST never" should really be "MUST NOT" in = 2119 language. >>=20 >> A (Alternative path): the egress LSR MUST select a non-default path >> as the return path. This is very useful when reverse default path >> problems are suspected which can be confirmed when the echo reply = is >> forced to follow a non-default return path. Here, the default path >> refers to the path that the egress LSR will use to send the echo >> reply when the return path is not explicitly specified as defined = in >> this document. If A bit is set, there is no need to carry any >> specific reply path sub-TLVs, and when received, the sub-TLVs = SHOULD >> be ignored. >>=20 >> Do all implementations understand the same thing as "Default"? This = seems >> underspecified. >=20 > The draft defines: > "the default path refers to the path that the egress LSR will use to = send the echo reply when the return path is not explicitly specified as = defined in this document."=20 >=20 > I think this definition is straightforward and clear:-) Do you have = any suggestion? One element that is not clear to me is that the path that the LSR sends = back the reply depends upon the Reply Mode value. If you are defining in = this document a new Reply Mode value, what is "default"? Assuming Reply = Mode 1, 2, 3, or 4? Another thing that is not clear is whether default = makes any assumptions of labeled versus unlabeled. >=20 >>=20 >> Also, say that an LSP Ping is sent with source IP address as = 192.0.2.1 over an LSP. A >> "default" return LSP is perhaps an LSP where 192.0.2.1/32 points to. = How would a >> non-default be in this case? Send it to a wrong LSR? What should = responding >> router choose in this case? How can it choose a non-default without = the >> specification of an actual LSP? >=20 > Of cause, send to wrong LSR is allowable, for this case, the = non-default path could be either an IP path or other LSPs (for example, = a TE LSP). If there is non-default path, return code 0x0003 should be = returned: >=20 > 0x0003 The echo reply was sent successfully using the > specified Reply Path >=20 >>=20 >> B (Bidirectional): the return path is required to follow the = reverse >> direction of the tested bidirectional LSP. If B bit is set, there = is >> no need to carry any specific reply path sub-TLVs, and when = received, >> the sub-TLVs SHOULD be ignored. >>=20 >> Is this default or non-default when this TLV is not used (pre-this = spec)? >=20 > It's implementation depend. >=20 > RFC 4379 does not specify this;RFC6426 specifies the echo reply MUST = be along the reverse direction, but have to use GAL+GACh (application = channel mode).=20 >=20 >>=20 >> 3.2. Reply Path (RP) TLV >>=20 >> When reply mode (!=3D 5) and Reply Path TLV is received, which takes = precedence >> and what is the procedure? >=20 > Per RFC4379, Malformed Error should be returned.=20 Does this conflict with the following? 3.2. Reply Path (RP) TLV The Reply Path (RP) TLV is an optional TLV within the LSP Ping protocol. >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 3.3. Reply Path sub-TLVs >>=20 >> In addition, this document defines three new sub-TLVs: IPv4 RSVP >> Tunnel sub-TLV, IPv6 RSVP Tunnel sub-TLV, and Static Tunnel = sub-TLV. >>=20 >> It is not clear why these are specified. The text does not seem to = explain the >> need, nor why these do not need to be specified for the TLV 1. >=20 > Sometime, using tunnel other that specific LSP is more suitable, for = example, when performing a long time ping for an TE LSP (as stated in = RFC5884, section 3.2), it could avoid the impact of the changes of LSP = ID (e.g.,Make-Before-Break, LSP ID may change, but tunnel ID will not). = Another usage is for BFD, it is stated in Section 3.3.1. >=20 >=20 > How about this:(new text is in **) >=20 > The IPv4 RSVP Tunnel sub-TLV is used in the Reply Path TLV to allow > the operator to specify a more generic tunnel FEC other than a > particular LSP as the return path. According to the bits set in the > Flag field, the egress LSR will then choose an LSP from the = specified > Tunnel as the return path. One usage of this generic RSVP Tunnel > sub-TLV is for bootstrapping BFD session on an MPLS Tunnel that has > primary and secondary LSPs, especially when Make-Before-Break (MBB) > is deployed. The usage is discussed in Section 4.2 of > [I-D.chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement]. *Another usage is when LSP Ping is > used to periodically verify the control plane against the data plane = [RFC5884], > using Tunnel other than particular LSP can avoid the impact of LSP = changing > when MBB is deployed.* >=20 >=20 > It may apply to TLV 1, if the WG agree, I am fine to apply this to TLV = 1. Then the IANA allocation could be easier.=20 I think this should be the other way around. If this is a functionality that requires a Target FEC Stack definition = (like you propose to have an RSVP IPv4 LSP without the LSP ID), then it = should be defined for TLV1 and inherited.=20 I have concerns that these sub-TLVs apply to TLV21 only. Now, specifically to the paragraph that you propose: 1. I do not think = the BFD case justifies these TLVs. 2. I think that the MBB use case can = not only happen on the return way but also on the forward way. >=20 >>=20 >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | MUST be zero |S|P| >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>=20 >> Further, "primary" and "secondary" are not defined. Which = specifications >> explains what is a primary and a secondary? >=20 > RFC4872 Section 4.2.1 defines the primary and secondary, we will add a = reference there.=20 This is great as far as the S and P definition. Thank you. However, RFC 4872 Section 4.1 uses the LSP ID. >=20 >>=20 >> 3.3.3. Static Tunnel sub-TLV >>=20 >> Again, why is this not specified for the Echo as well? >=20 > Same as above. >=20 Same as above. >>=20 >> 4. Theory of Operation >>=20 >> When the echo reply message is intended to test the return MPLS LSP >> path(when the A bit is not set in the previous received echo = request >> message), the destination IP address of the echo reply message MUST >> never be used in a forwarding decision. >>=20 >> Is this really the meaning of the "A-bit"? >=20 > The "A-bit" is as it defined in 3.2, here we just borrow the "A-bit" = to indicate whether need to test the return path. The logic here is that = since the "A-bit" is to choose an alternate path hence to deliver the = echo reply back, test the return path is normally not intention here. = And the path could either IP or MPLS path, verify the IP path does not = make sense.=20 I apologize I still do not understand. The A-bit means Alternate return = path. What does "intended to test the return MPLS LSP path" mean? Do you = meant "the *default* return path"? With a-bit set, it is also intended = to test *a* return path. >=20 >>=20 >> To avoid this possibility >> the destination IP address of the echo reply message that is >> transmitted along the specified return path MUST be set to numbers >> from the range 127/8 for IPv4 or 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 for IPv6, = and >> the IP TTL MUST be set 1, and the TTL in the outermost label MUST = be >> set to 255. >>=20 >> 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 is ambiguous. This needs to be = 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:7F00/104 or >> 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127.0.0.0/104 >=20 > OK. >=20 >>=20 >> Of course when the echo reply message is not intended >> for testing the specified return path (when the A bit is set in the >> previous received echo request message) , the procedures defined in >> [RFC4379] (the destination IP address is copied from the source IP >> address) apply unchanged. >>=20 >> Does this mean that "Alternate" and "Non Default" are actually to = follow the >> *Default* procedures from RFC 4379? >=20 > Yes.=20 I believe I am getting lost somewhere on this section. When the A-bit is = set, that means Alternate non-default path. Is that to apply the default = path? >=20 >>=20 >> 4.3. Sending an Echo Reply >>=20 >> and the IP TTL MUST be set to 1, the >> TTL in the outermost label MUST be set to 255. >>=20 >> Should this follow draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv? >=20 > Since the draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv(segment ping) only apply to = MS-PW and co-routed bidirectional LSP, hence to make sure the TLL is = determined. Specify a different return path other than the reverse path = is not workable. IMHO, this draft may not apply to the segment ping. >=20 >>=20 >> 6.4. Reply Path Return Code >>=20 >> There seems to be a contradiction in this: >>=20 >> 0x0006-0xfffb Not allocated, allocated via Standard Action >> 0xfffc-0xffff Experimental Use >>=20 >> The range of 0x0008-0xfffb is not allocated and reserved for future >> extensions and is allocated via Standard Action, the range of = 0xfffc- >> 0xffff is for Experimental Use. >>=20 >> Overall -- what is the interaction with = draft-ietf-mpls-remote-lsp-ping? Note also >> that document specifies a reply mode with the same value of "5". >=20 > There is no interaction with draft-ietf-mpls-remote-lsp-ping yet. I = think this is the result that defining a particular value without the = confirmation of IANA other than using TBD. I believe that this issue = will be solved by authors, chairs and IANA. >=20 >>=20 >> Also, this document does not seem to define backward compatibility >> considerations. What happens if a pre-specification router receives a = Reply Mode >> #5? The generic behavior of RFC 4379 is to respond with a generic = "malformed >> echo" error -- should there be a sub-code for Unknown reply mode -- = in which >> case it's a bit ironic to reply by some other mode -- to signal the = specific issue for >> future reply codes? >=20 > "malformed echo" error should be the right choice, a sub-code for = unknown reply is better, but the RFC4379 does not specify this behavior.=20= Do you need to add a new sub-code? >=20 >>=20 >> A final minor issue: this specification defines a new behavior for an = echo reply in >> which the Echo Reply message is destined to a loopback IP Address. If = the return >> path is broken, a middle router will think the packet is destined to = itself (because >> of the loopback) -- the behavior in this case is undefined and can = result in funny >> behaviors, for example an ICMP port unreachable sent to the source or = weirder. >=20 > The same situation will happen for Echo Request:-). Section 2.1 of = RFC4379 says: >=20 > "RFC 1122 allocates the 127/8 as "Internal host loopback address" and > states: "Addresses of this form MUST NOT appear outside a host." > Thus, the default behavior of hosts is to discard such packets. = This > helps to ensure that if a diagnostic packet is misdirected to a = host, > it will be silently discarded." >=20 > So, I think this issue is already solved by RFC4379.=20 No. The intent of using a 127/8 destination in the echo request is = two-fold: 1. to prevent reaching the Target destination outside the LSP, in an = IP-only mode. 2. to allow for traceroute to work, with each hop consuming the = datagram. On the reply, neither of those apply. 1. the LSP Ping reached its intended destination and now you want the = reply back 2. no traceroute on the way back. What does a node do with a reply destined to it, that it did not = initiate? Seems also like a security consideration. >=20 >>=20 >> A last minor issue relates the IANA requests -- section 6.2 is = already fairly >> complex, yet it does not speak to the following: What happens when = sub-TLVs >> for TLV1 are defined? What is checked to make sure that this new = sub-TLV applies >> to TLV21, and how? > The same as TLV 16, TLV 21 will reuse all existing and future defined = sub-TLVs. Roni also raised this question, we proposed the following = text: >=20 > " No assignments of sub-TLVs in the range of 0-16383 and 32768-49161 > are made directly for TLV Type 21, sub-TLVs in these ranges are=20 > copied from the assignments made for TLV Type 1 and kept the same > as that for TLV Type 1. All sub-TLVs in these ranges (include = existing > and future defined) defined for TLV Type 1 apply to TLV Type 21.=20 > Assignments of sub-..." >=20 It is not clear to me which Target FEC stack sub-TLV would apply to = TLV21 but not to TLV1. >=20 >> Does this update IANA allocations for RFC 4379? Also, a >> sub-TLV with sub-Type 16384 can be assigned to TLV1 with = specification required, >> but needs Standards action for TLV 21? And from which of these eight = ranges are >> sub-Types of Section 6.2.1 assigned, and why are not applicable to = TLV Type 1 and >> Type 16? >=20 > The LSP Ping IANA structure has been updated, please refer to: = https://www.iana.org/assignments/mpls-lsp-ping-parameters/mpls-lsp-ping-pa= rameters.xhtml#downstream-mapping. >=20 > It specifies the 16384-31743 "Specification Required, Experimental RFC = needed", and this draft is the Experimental "RFC". >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> I would include in the IANA instructions details within TLV 1 about = the changes >> and "directly copied" to TLV21. >=20 > I am fine with this. >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Nits: >>=20 >> Abstract >>=20 >> This document defines extensions to the failure-detection protocol >> for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Paths = (LSPs) >> known as "LSP Ping" that allow selection of the LSP to use for the >> echo reply return path. >>=20 >> The abstract is key in that its legibility sets for the whole = document. These same >> comments apply to the Introduction. >>=20 >> First, to be consistent with RFC4379, I'd qualify adding = "...extensions to the >> *data-plane* failure-detection protocol...". >>=20 >> Second, this is a very long sentence that reads better split in two: = "known as "LSP >> Ping". These extensions allow selection of the" >=20 > OK, thanks for the suggestion. >=20 >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> The Reply via Specified Path mode is used to request that the = remote >> LSR receiving the LSP Ping echo request message sends back the echo >> reply message along the specified paths carried in the Reply Path >> TLV. >>=20 >> There is no such a thing as "LSP Ping echo request message" in RFC = 4379. The >> same happens throughout the document, and should be fixed. >=20 > OK, will look through the document to make them consistent with RFC = 4379. >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 0 1 2 3 >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 = 1 >> = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | Reply Path TLV Type | Length = | >> = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | Reply Path return code | Flag = | >> = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>=20 >> These are "Flags" (plural). >=20 > OK. >=20 >>=20 >> 0x0002 One or more of the sub-TLVs in Reply Path TLV >> was not understood >>=20 >> s/was/were/ >=20 > OK. >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Additionally, idnits 2.12.17 finds the following: >>=20 >> ** There is 1 instance of too long lines in the document, the = longest one >> being 1 character in excess of 72. >=20 > OK. >=20 >>=20 >> =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC6426' is defined on line 873, but no = explicit >> reference was found in the text >=20 > OK. >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I hope these are clear and useful! >=20 > Very useful! >=20 > Many thanks Thanks to you! -- Carlos. >=20 > Mach >>=20 >> Thank you, >>=20 >> Carlos Pignataro. >=20 --Apple-Mail=_371865F7-3995-4ABD-87B7-685CAC5AECB5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi, = Mach,

Many thanks for the prompt response! Glad these = are useful -- please find some follow-ups = inline.

On Sep 3, 2013, at 11:52 PM, Mach Chen = <mach.chen@huawei.com> = wrote:

Hi Carlos,

Many thanks for your detailed review and = comments!

Please my reply inline...

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He= llo,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for = this draft. The
Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or = routing-related drafts as they
pass through IETF last call and IESG = review, and sometimes on special request.
The purpose of the review = is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more
information = about the Routing Directorate, please see
http://www.ietf= .org/iesg/directorate/routing.html

Although these comments = are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would
be helpful if = you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call
comments = that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or = by
updating the draft.

Document: = draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt
Reviewer: = Carlos Pignataro
Review Date: 02 September 2013
IETF LC End Date: = 04 September 2013
Intended Status: Proposed = Standard

Summary:

I have significant concerns about this = document and recommend that the Routing
ADs discuss these issues = further with the authors.

Comments:

This document defines = useful functionality. It is also generally well written and is
fairly = detailed and comprehensive.

At the same time, for a set of = extensions that attempts to provide more
determinism in a failure = detection protocol, I believe there is still significant
ambiguity in = a few underspecified elements and behaviors.

Although I have = marked a number of "major" issues, some of them should be
relatively = easy to fix. Others, however, pose somewhat fundamental = questions.

I hope these review comments are clear and = useful!


Major Issues:

The first major issue that I = would like to have discussed is the usage of these
extensions for BFD = for MPLS bootstrapping. The Abstract in this document sets to
prove = that the extensions thereby defined can be used for BFD for = MPLS
bootstrapping. However, I believe that the document is = underdefined to make
that claim in the Abstract.

There is = somewhat of a contradiction in that, to make BFD for = MPLS
bootstrapping using these extensions work, specific protocol = definitions (i.e.,
2119 language in the BFD for MPLS bootstrapping = state machine) need to take
place in BFD, as per = draft-chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement. However, that
document is only an = Informative reference in this document. It appears to me
that, = without draft-chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement, the claim of the = Abstract
cannot be fulfilled. By way of process, I also believe this = might have not been
tested with the BFD working group.

In any = case, the only mention of BFD for MPLS bootstrapping in this document = is
by passing as an example in Section 3.3.1. Due to all of these = reasons, I believe
this doc should remove the goal of BFD = improvements al together or majorly
qualify and downgrade the usage = with BFD.

We are fine to remove the goal of BFD from = the Abstract and Introduction section. =

OK.

What = about the mention in Section 3.3.1? It says "One usage of this generic = RSVP Tunnel sub-TLV is for bootstrapping BFD session..." but this cannot = be achieved without I-D.chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement. I think this is = not harmful but not too useful either.



A second major issue is = a question: Given how RFC 4379 defines the reply mode 4
("Reply via = application level control channel"). Given a bidirectional LSP. = Doesn't
using GAL+GACh and Reply Mode #4 solve this whole problem? = Why is that one
not discussed? Basically, RFC 4379 uses RFC 5085 as = the reference example of
reply mode #4. Since RFC 5586 generalizes = the VCCV associated channel to LSPs,
then we have a generic control = channel to be used with reply mode #4.

To solve = which problem you refer to here? ( By using the Reply Mode 4 and = GAL+GACh)

I meant in a use similar = to RFC 6426 actually. See below also.



Also, what's the = relationship to RFC 6426 and TLV 16? Another return = path?

TLV 16 is designed to verify the return path, = but the return path selection is still a local decision of the egress = (in RFC6426, it states the return path MUST be the reverse LSP of a = bidirectional LSP) as defined in RFC4379. The Reply Path TLV is designed = to specify the return path, they are different and there is no = relationship to TLV 16.


I = understand. My question is more related to the following = scenarios:
  • If an Echo request = with the R global flag is set, and with TLV21 is received, should the = response include duplicate redundant information in TLV16 and = TLV21?
  • If an Echo request with the R global flag is set, and = with TLV21 specifying a non-reverse LSP of a bidirectional LSP, should = the responder honor the MUST of RFC 6426 or the MUST of this document = (since they appear to be mutually contradicting)?
  • Or more = generically, should this document build from TLV16 or define its own = TLV?


A third major issue has to do with the treatment of = Inter-AS scenarios in this draft.
In Sections 2.1 and 2.2, this draft = is implicitly presented as a solution for MPLS
Echo in "inter-domain = LSPs" and "inter-domain/inter-AS LSP". The problems in
these cases = are more convoluted than what this draft describes, and includes = lack
of addressing context and initiator address unknown (not only = that the IP Router
Alert label might not work in the boundary). I = believe that this draft should not
call those cases since are not = solved by the addition of a new reply mode.

Section = 2.1, bullet 2 talks about inter-AS; for inter-as LSP, with RFC4379, in = order to check the reverse LSP, the LSP Ping has to be initiated from = the other end reside in other AS, this may not possible since the other = AS may belong to different administrative domain. With this new reply = mode, an LSP Ping could detect both the forward and reverse LSP of the = bidirectional LSP, or an LSP Ping detects the forward direction of an = LSP and the reverse direction of another LSP ( for example, using a = deemed workable LSP to send echo request, and specifying a suspect LSP = as the return path hence to test it) , the operator does not need to = initiate two LSP Pings from both ends separately. The new reply mode is = mainly designed to achieve this. =


I am not totally clear on this = scenario -- in an inter-as LSP, are you saying that a return LSP is = always known from the other AS?
And is this somewhat of a = proxy ping functionality?

Section 2.2 mainly talks about the "Limitations of = Existing Mechanisms for Handling Unreliable Return Paths", mention = inter-domain is to explain one of the cases where the echo reply cannot = be delivered back even with router alert mode.
As the draft states, = it provides an extra level of deterministic process to deliver the echo = reply back by specifying a more deterministic path (e.g., TE = LSP).

"Allowing the ingress LSR to control the path used for echo = reply
  messages, and in particular forcing those messages = to use an LSP
  rather than being sent through the IP = network, enables an operator to
  apply an extra level of = deterministic process to the LSP Ping test."


A fourth major issue has to do with the use of IP Path = versus LSP Path, as per a
number of Minor issues described below = that, together, amount to a major. See
minor issues = section.

Please see my relies in Minor issues = part.


A fifth major issue concerns = itself with ECMP upon return. Saying that the
response should be sent = over the LSP with target FEC Stack of LDP IPv4 prefix = of
192.0.2.27/32 is not enough, as there are potentially multiple = paths throughout. I
believe this topic should be discussed. In the = Echo direction, this is solved with
the Downstream Mapping mechanics. = That is overkill for the response, but again,
multi path can give = false negatives the same deeming the whole solution
unusable (since = at the end it cannot provide the = prescriptiveness).

Indeed, Downstream Mapping = mechanics is overkill here for response.

Section 4.3 Sending an = Echo Reply

Second Para talks about how to set the destination = address that will affect the ECMP path selection.

How about = this?

Old:
"When the echo reply is intended to test the return = path (the A is not
  set in the previous received echo = request), the destination IP
  address of the echo reply = message MUST never be used in a forwarding
  decision. =  To avoid this problem, the IP destination address of the
=   echo reply message that is transmitted along the specified = return
  path MUST be set to numbers from the range 127/8 = for IPv4 or
  0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 for IPv6, and the IP = TTL MUST be set to 1, the
  TTL in the outermost label = MUST be set to 255."

New
"When the echo reply is intended to = test the return path (the A is not
  set in the previous = received echo request), the destination IP
  address of = the echo reply message MUST never be used in a forwarding
=   decision. *In addition, there may be ECMP paths for a = specified FEC, in
  case always select a failure path*, = the IP destination address of the
  echo reply message = that is transmitted along the specified return
  path MUST = be set to an address *(random chosen)* from the range 127/8 for IPv4 = or
  0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 for IPv6, and the IP TTL MUST = be set to 1, the
  TTL in the outermost label MUST be set = to 255."


I do not think this = addresses the issue. First, because that paragraph covers the "A is not = set" case, and this is when you are using a destination of 127/8. With a = destination of the source of the echo message you can have the same = phenomenon. If you send 4 LSP Pings and the fact that they have = different source UDP port result in the responder choosing different = ECMPs (for a *chosen* FEC), would that confuse more? That should be = covered outside of A-bit set vs. not set.


A last major issue concerns = itself with Security considerations. Using these
extensions, a node = can instruct another node to send replies out of any LSP,
including = LSPs that do not go back to the source. Further, an attacker can = send
MPLS Echo nodes to many nodes vectoring responses to a node = target of a DDoS
attack. The security considerations briefly touches = this point and says that "the
return path LSP MUST have destination = to the same node where the forward
path is from". However, it is not = clear how a node can actually evaluate and
actually verify and = enforce this MUST. It is quite possible that this check is = not
possible to make.

Since the echo request = carries the source address/identifier of the ingress/initiator, when = received a specified return path, the return path should also have the = destination address/identifier point to the ingress/initiator , with = these two addresses/identifiers, the egress should be able to perform = the above check IMHO.


This = seems to assume that the initiator has a single address. If for = troubleshooting purposes, an echo is sent with a source address of an = interface, and the return path specified is a prefix FEC with a = loopback/32 of the same node. How does the responder know it's the same = node and not a victim?



Minor Issues:

Does this document update RFC = 4379?

1. Introduction

  The procedures defined = in this document
  currently only apply to "ping" mode. =  The "traceroute" mode is out of
  scope for this = document.

I am note sure if this is major or minor -- but = separating traceroute mode as out
of scope seems like a huge gap. Are = there specific issues with using these
extensions in traceroute mode? = The last hop of a traceroute is equivalent to a
ping -- can these = extensions be used there?

The procedures can easily = apply to traceroute when only tracing the forward direction; but for = reverse direction, the procedures will become complicate, something like = proxy traceroute, the egress will be the proxy, more consideration and = mechanisms are needed. Thus, we leave it future = study.

I did not mean to trace the = reverse direction, but rather, perform a regular LSP Trace but = specifying the reply path.




  The = defined extensions can also be
  utilized for creating a = single Bidirectional Forwarding Detection
=   (BFD)[RFC5880], [RFC5884] session for a bidirectional LSP or = for a
  pair of unidirectional LSPs (one for each = direction).

For BFD for bidirectional LSPs, there is no need to = use LSP Ping bootstrapping,
since the context of the session can be = directly gleaned as defined in RFC 5885. In
other words, single-hop = BFD initialization is enough -- why would someone want
to use = bootstrapping with LSP Ping, and then specific extensions, when = the
context of the BFD discriminators is understood from the label = (again, as per RFC
5885)?

As described in = RFC5884, Section 5

" A BFD session may be established for a FEC = associated with an MPLS
  LSP.  As described above, = in the case of PHP or when the egress LSR
  distributes an = explicit null label to the penultimate hop router, or
=   next-hop label allocation, the BFD Control packet received = by the
  egress LSR does not contain sufficient = information to associate it
  with a BFD = session."

Even for bidirectional LSP, only if there are PHP, = explicit null label, or next-hop label allocation situations, LSP Ping = bootstrapping is needed IMHO.

I am = still concerned about this usage of this draft for BFD = bootstrapping.

What is the LSP Ping bootstrap = Echo's reply used for? =46rom RFC 5884 (emphasis added by me with "*" = markers):

   *On receipt of the = LSP Ping Echo request message, the egress LSR MUST
  =  send a BFD Control packet to the ingress LSR*, if the validation = of
   the FEC in the LSP Ping Echo request message = succeeds.  This BFD
   Control packet MUST set = the Your Discriminator field to the
   discriminator = received from the ingress LSR in the LSP Ping Echo
  =  request message.  *The egress LSR MAY respond with an LSP = Ping Echo
   reply message* that carries the local = discriminator assigned by it for
   the BFD session. =  The local discriminator assigned by the egress = LSR
   MUST be used as the My Discriminator field in = the BFD session packets
   sent by the egress = LSR.

The responder responds with BFD and = *MAY* respond with LSP Ping Echo reply. What do you gain by using this = new TLV in the bootstrap? You do not gain anything on the LSP Ping = bootstrap side of it.

If, on the other hand, = what you gain is that the BFD packets on the return path need to be sent = in this specified path, then that functionality is underspecified and = should not be called out as something to do. Has the BFD WG looked = into this? That needs BFD state and protocol machinery changes, and = not something to mention in passing. There are levels of details, like = if BFD stores this new return path and then routing or forwarding = changes, etc.

And yes, if context is lost on = receipt then you need to bootstrap and not use 1hop = initialization.

Net-net: I do not see a good = reason to keep any BFD mention, this should be a separate piece of work = and have BFD WG input. What do you think?



  In this = document, the term bidirectional LSP includes the co-routed
=   bidirectional LSP defined in [RFC3945] and the = associated
  bidirectional LSP that is constructed from a = pair of unidirectional
  LSPs (one for each direction), = and which are associated with one
  another at the LSP's = ingress/egress points [RFC5654].  The mechanisms
=   defined in this document can apply to both IP/MPLS and MPLS = Transport
  Profile (MPLS-TP) scenarios.

Two key = questions:
1. What about = Pseudowires?

Theoretically, PW can be treated as an = associated bidirectional LSP, so it's possible to specify another PW = other than the reverse PW.

2. How can = this apply to MPLS-TP when MPLS-TP might not have an IP control
plane = (to run LSP Ping)?

For MPLS-TP (non-control plane), = the only difference is the encapsulation, the GAL+GACh can also be used = as defined RFC6426. Maybe we could add some text to state = this.

Sounds good -- thank = you.



2. Problem Statements and Solution = Overview

  MPLS LSP Ping is defined in [RFC4379]. =  It can be used to detect data
  path failures in all = MPLS LSPs, and was originally designed for
=   unidirectional LSPs.

Where does RFC4379 limits its = scope to unidirectional LSPs?

RFC 4379 does not = explicitly state this, but from procedures it defined, since the echo = rely does not carry any FEC stack information, the verification is only = for forward direction, not for reverse direction.

Maybe it more = proper to state: "...and was mainly designed for unidirectional = LSPs."


Instead of the design = intent, I would call out something similar to you said: not that the = echo reply does not carry target FEC stack because that's not correct -- = but that "The FEC Stack TLV from the echo request MAY be copied to = the reply."



  And in any case, the use modes 2 or 3 = cannot guarantee the delivery
  of echo responses through = an IP network that is fundamentally
  unreliable. =  The failure to deliver echo response messages can lead
=   to false negatives making it appear that the LSP has = failed.

  Allowing the ingress LSR to control the path = used for echo reply
  messages, and in particular forcing = those messages to use an LSP
  rather than being sent = through the IP network, enables an operator to
  apply an = extra level of deterministic process to the LSP Ping test.

These = two paragraphs seems to show a gross misconception on how reply = works.
=46rom 4379, the reply with mode #1 does not need to be sent = over IP without
MPLS. It can very well be sent over an LSP. In fact, = given the right source IP
address in the LSP Ping Echo, the right = return LSP can be chosen. This needs to be
better explained so as not = to "hype" the solution presented in the document.

We = will consider this, it's great if you have some suggested text. =

This is a bit tricky. Note RFC 4379 = says by way of example:

   If = the Reply Mode in the echo request is "Reply via an
  =  IPv4 UDP packet with Router Alert", then the IP header MUST = contain
   the Router Alert IP option.  If the = reply is sent over an LSP, the
   topmost label MUST = in this case be the Router Alert label (1) (see
  =  [LABEL-STACK]).

Which implies that = "reply via IPv4 UDP packet with/without RA" does not mean MUST be = unlabeled IPv4 packet. If there's an LSP towards source/32, it would go = labeled.



3. Extensions

  In addition, two new = TLVs, the Reply Path TLV and Reply Traffic Class
  (TC) = [RFC5462] TLV, are defined in this document.

Given that the = "Reply Path TLV" specifies an LSP and not a Path, I strongly = suggest
the TLV be renamed to more specifically describe its = functionality.

In Section 3.3.1-3, it defines tunnel = (not a particular LSP) to be as the return path, so the return path = includes LSP and Tunnel; it seems "Path" is more = suitable.


OK, just a = suggestion.



  0x0004 =        The specified Reply Path was = not found, the echo
=             &n= bsp;   reply was sent via other LSP
=   0x0005        The = specified Reply Path was not found, the echo
=             &n= bsp;   reply was sent via IP path

It is not clear = what an IP path is, when sending an LSP Echo response as an = IP
datagram can be sent labeled as an LSP. Also, I assume these are = without Router
Alert, right?

Yes.

Here the = IP path refers to pure IP forwarding path, not the = LSP.


If I understand these set = of rules correctly, this says that when the Reply Path is not found, = then the LSP Ping reply can be sent IP unlabeled. Reading Sections 3.2 = and 3.3, the Reply Paths field is specified when A is not = set.

However, Section 4.3 = says:

   When the echo reply is = intended to test the return path (the A is not
  =  set in the previous received echo request), the destination = IP
   address of the echo reply message MUST never = be used in a forwarding
   decision.  To avoid = this problem, the IP destination address of the
  =  echo reply message that is transmitted along = the 

meaning if A is not set, the reply = cannot be sent over IP.


By the = way, I think that "MUST never" should really be "MUST NOT" in 2119 = language.


  A (Alternative path): the egress LSR MUST = select a non-default path
  as the return path.  This = is very useful when reverse default path
  problems are = suspected which can be confirmed when the echo reply is
=   forced to follow a non-default return path.  Here, the = default path
  refers to the path that the egress LSR will = use to send the echo
  reply when the return path is not = explicitly specified as defined in
  this document. =  If A bit is set, there is no need to carry any
=   specific reply path sub-TLVs, and when received, the = sub-TLVs SHOULD
  be ignored.

Do all = implementations understand the same thing as "Default"? This = seems
underspecified.

The draft defines:
"the = default path refers to the path that the egress LSR will use to send the = echo reply when the return path is not explicitly specified as defined = in this document."

I think this definition is straightforward = and clear:-) Do you have any = suggestion?

One element that is not = clear to me is that the path that the LSR sends back the reply depends = upon the Reply Mode value. If you are defining in this document a new = Reply Mode value, what is "default"? Assuming Reply Mode 1, 2, 3, or 4? = Another thing that is not clear is whether default makes any assumptions = of labeled versus unlabeled.



Also, say that an LSP = Ping is sent with source IP address as 192.0.2.1 over an LSP. = A
"default" return LSP is perhaps an LSP where 192.0.2.1/32 points = to. How would a
non-default be in this case? Send it to a wrong LSR? = What should responding
router choose in this case? How can it choose = a non-default without the
specification of an actual = LSP?

Of cause, send to wrong LSR is allowable, for = this case, the non-default path could be either an IP path or other LSPs = (for example, a TE LSP). If there is non-default path, return code = 0x0003 should be returned:

  0x0003 =        The echo reply was sent = successfully using the
=             &n= bsp;   specified Reply Path


  B (Bidirectional): the return path is = required to follow the reverse
  direction of the tested = bidirectional LSP.  If B bit is set, there is
  no = need to carry any specific reply path sub-TLVs, and when received,
=   the sub-TLVs SHOULD be ignored.

Is this default or = non-default when this TLV is not used (pre-this = spec)?

It's implementation depend.

RFC 4379 = does not specify this;RFC6426 specifies the echo reply MUST be along the = reverse direction, but have to use GAL+GACh (application channel mode). =


3.2. Reply Path (RP) = TLV

When reply mode (!=3D 5) and Reply Path TLV is received, = which takes precedence
and what is the = procedure?

Per RFC4379, Malformed Error should be = returned.

Does this conflict with = the following?

3.2.  Reply Path (RP) = TLV

   The Reply Path (RP) TLV is an optional TLV = within the LSP Ping
  =  protocol.





3.3. Reply Path = sub-TLVs

  In addition, this document defines three = new sub-TLVs: IPv4 RSVP
  Tunnel sub-TLV, IPv6 RSVP Tunnel = sub-TLV, and Static Tunnel sub-TLV.

It is not clear why these are = specified. The text does not seem to explain the
need, nor why these = do not need to be specified for the TLV 1.

Sometime, = using tunnel other that specific LSP is more suitable, for example, when = performing a long time ping for an TE LSP (as stated in RFC5884, section = 3.2), it could avoid the impact of the changes of LSP ID = (e.g.,Make-Before-Break, LSP ID may change, but tunnel ID will not). = Another usage is for BFD, it is stated in Section 3.3.1.


How = about this:(new text is in **)

  The IPv4 RSVP Tunnel = sub-TLV is used in the Reply Path TLV to allow
  the = operator to specify a more generic tunnel FEC other than a
=   particular LSP as the return path.  According to the = bits set in the
  Flag field, the egress LSR will then = choose an LSP from the specified
  Tunnel as the return = path.  One usage of this generic RSVP Tunnel
=   sub-TLV is for bootstrapping BFD session on an MPLS Tunnel = that has
  primary and secondary LSPs, especially when = Make-Before-Break (MBB)
  is deployed.  The usage is = discussed in Section 4.2 of
=   [I-D.chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement]. *Another usage is when LSP = Ping is
  used to periodically verify the control plane = against the data plane [RFC5884],
  using Tunnel other = than particular LSP can avoid the impact of LSP changing
=   when MBB is deployed.*


It may apply to TLV 1, if = the WG agree, I am fine to apply this to TLV 1. Then the IANA allocation = could be easier.

I think this = should be the other way around.

If this is a = functionality that requires a Target FEC Stack definition (like you = propose to have an RSVP IPv4 LSP without the LSP ID), then it should be = defined for TLV1 and inherited. 

I have = concerns that these sub-TLVs apply to TLV21 = only.

Now, specifically to the paragraph that = you propose: 1. I do not think the BFD case justifies these TLVs. 2. I = think that the MBB use case can not only happen on the return way but = also on the forward way.



=   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  | =         MUST be zero =      |S|P|
=   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Further, "primary" = and "secondary" are not defined. Which specifications
explains what = is a primary and a secondary?

RFC4872 Section 4.2.1 = defines the primary and secondary, we will add a reference there. =

This is great as far as the S and P = definition. Thank you.

However, RFC 4872 = Section 4.1 uses the LSP ID.



3.3.3. Static Tunnel = sub-TLV

Again, why is this not specified for the Echo as = well?

Same as = above.


Same as = above.


4.= Theory of Operation

  When the echo reply message is = intended to test the return MPLS LSP
  path(when the A bit = is not set in the previous received echo request
=   message), the destination IP address of the echo reply = message MUST
  never be used in a forwarding = decision.

Is this really the meaning of the = "A-bit"?

The "A-bit" is as it defined in 3.2, here = we just borrow the "A-bit" to indicate whether need to test the return = path. The logic here is that since the "A-bit" is to choose an alternate = path hence to deliver the echo reply back, test the return path is = normally not intention here. And the path could either IP or MPLS path, = verify the IP path does not make sense. =

I apologize I still do not = understand. The A-bit means Alternate return path. What does "intended = to test the return MPLS LSP path" mean? Do you meant "the *default* = return path"? With a-bit set, it is also intended to test *a* return = path.



  To avoid this possibility
=   the destination IP address of the echo reply message that = is
  transmitted along the specified return path MUST be = set to numbers
  from the range 127/8 for IPv4 or = 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 for IPv6, and
  the IP TTL MUST be = set 1, and the TTL in the outermost label MUST be
  set to = 255.

0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 is ambiguous. This needs to be = 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:7F00/104 = or
0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127.0.0.0/104

OK.


  Of course when the echo reply message = is not intended
  for testing the specified return path = (when the A bit is set in the
  previous received echo = request message) , the procedures defined in
  [RFC4379] = (the destination IP address is copied from the source IP
=   address) apply unchanged.

Does this mean that = "Alternate" and "Non Default" are actually to follow the
*Default* = procedures from RFC 4379?

Yes. =

I believe I am getting lost = somewhere on this section. When the A-bit is set, that means Alternate = non-default path. Is that to apply the default = path?



4.3. Sending an Echo Reply

  and the = IP TTL MUST be set to 1, the
  TTL in the outermost label = MUST be set to 255.

Should this follow = draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv?

Since the = draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv(segment ping) only apply to MS-PW and = co-routed bidirectional LSP, hence to make sure the TLL is determined. = Specify a different return path other than the reverse path is not = workable. IMHO, this draft may not apply to the segment = ping.


6.4. Reply Path Return = Code

There seems to be a contradiction in this:

=   0x0006-0xfffb Not allocated, allocated via Standard = Action
  0xfffc-0xffff Experimental Use

=   The range of 0x0008-0xfffb is not allocated and reserved for = future
  extensions and is allocated via Standard Action, = the range of 0xfffc-
  0xffff is for Experimental = Use.

Overall -- what is the interaction with = draft-ietf-mpls-remote-lsp-ping? Note also
that document specifies a = reply mode with the same value of "5".

There is no = interaction with draft-ietf-mpls-remote-lsp-ping yet. I think this is = the result that defining a particular value without the confirmation of = IANA other than using TBD. I believe that this issue will be solved by = authors, chairs and IANA.


Also, = this document does not seem to define backward = compatibility
considerations. What happens if a pre-specification = router receives a Reply Mode
#5? The generic behavior of RFC 4379 is = to respond with a generic "malformed
echo" error -- should there be a = sub-code for Unknown reply mode -- in which
case it's a bit ironic to = reply by some other mode -- to signal the specific issue for
future = reply codes?

"malformed echo" error should be the = right choice, a sub-code for unknown reply is better, but the RFC4379 = does not specify this behavior.

Do = you need to add a new sub-code?



A final minor issue: = this specification defines a new behavior for an echo reply in
which = the Echo Reply message is destined to a loopback IP Address. If the = return
path is broken, a middle router will think the packet is = destined to itself (because
of the loopback) -- the behavior in this = case is undefined and can result in funny
behaviors, for example an = ICMP port unreachable sent to the source or = weirder.

The same situation will happen for Echo = Request:-).  Section 2.1 of RFC4379 says:

"RFC 1122 = allocates the 127/8 as "Internal host loopback address" and
=   states: "Addresses of this form MUST NOT appear outside a = host."
  Thus, the default behavior of hosts is to discard = such packets.  This
  helps to ensure that if a = diagnostic packet is misdirected to a host,
  it will be = silently discarded."

So, I think this issue is already solved by = RFC4379.

No. The intent of using a = 127/8 destination in the echo request is two-fold:
1. to = prevent reaching the Target destination outside the LSP, in an IP-only = mode.
2. to allow for traceroute to work, with each hop = consuming the datagram.

On the reply, neither = of those apply.
1. the LSP Ping reached its intended = destination and now you want the reply back
2. no traceroute = on the way back.

What does a node do with a = reply destined to it, that it did not initiate? Seems also like a = security consideration.



A last minor issue relates the IANA requests -- = section 6.2 is already fairly
complex, yet it does not speak to the = following: What happens when sub-TLVs
for TLV1 are defined? What is = checked to make sure that this new sub-TLV applies
to TLV21, and = how?
The same as TLV 16, TLV 21 will reuse all existing = and future defined sub-TLVs. Roni also raised this question, we proposed = the following text:

" No assignments of sub-TLVs in the range of = 0-16383 and 32768-49161
   are made directly for TLV = Type 21, sub-TLVs in these ranges are
   copied from = the assignments made for TLV Type 1 and kept the same
=    as that for TLV Type 1. All sub-TLVs in these ranges = (include existing
   and future defined) defined for = TLV Type 1 apply to TLV Type 21.
   Assignments of = sub-..."


It is not clear to me = which Target FEC stack sub-TLV would apply to TLV21 but not to = TLV1.


Does this update IANA allocations for RFC 4379? Also, = a
sub-TLV with sub-Type 16384 can be assigned to TLV1 with = specification required,
but needs Standards action for TLV 21? And = from which of these eight ranges are
sub-Types of Section 6.2.1 = assigned, and why are not applicable to TLV Type 1 and
Type = 16?

The LSP Ping IANA structure has been updated, = please refer to: https://www.iana.org/assignment= s/mpls-lsp-ping-parameters/mpls-lsp-ping-parameters.xhtml#downstream-mappi= ng.

It specifies the 16384-31743 "Specification Required, = Experimental RFC needed", and this draft is the Experimental = "RFC".



I would include in the = IANA instructions details within TLV 1 about the changes
and = "directly copied" to TLV21.

I am fine with = this.



Nits:

Abstract

  This = document defines extensions to the failure-detection protocol
=   for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched = Paths (LSPs)
  known as "LSP Ping" that allow selection of = the LSP to use for the
  echo reply return = path.

The abstract is key in that its legibility sets for the = whole document. These same
comments apply to the = Introduction.

First, to be consistent with RFC4379, I'd qualify = adding "...extensions to the
*data-plane* failure-detection = protocol...".

Second, this is a very long sentence that reads = better split in two: "known as "LSP
Ping". These extensions allow = selection of the"

OK, thanks for the = suggestion.




=   The Reply via Specified Path mode is used to request that = the remote
  LSR receiving the LSP Ping echo request = message sends back the echo
  reply message along the = specified paths carried in the Reply Path
=   TLV.

There is no such a thing as "LSP Ping echo = request message" in RFC 4379. The
same happens throughout the = document, and should be fixed.

OK, will look through = the document to make them consistent with RFC 4379.



       0 =             &n= bsp;     1 =             &n= bsp;     2 =             &n= bsp;     3
=        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 = 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
=       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      | =     Reply Path TLV Type =       | =          Length =             &n= bsp; |
=       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      | =    Reply Path return code     | =             &n= bsp;Flag =             |<= br> =       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

These are "Flags" = (plural).

OK.


=   0x0002        One or more = of the sub-TLVs in Reply Path TLV
=             &n= bsp;   was not = understood

s/was/were/

OK.



Additionally, idnits 2.12.17 finds the = following:

 ** There is 1 instance of too long lines in the = document, the longest one
    being 1 character = in excess of 72.

OK.


 =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC6426' is defined = on line 873, but no explicit
    reference was = found in the text

OK.



I hope these are clear and = useful!

Very useful!

Many = thanks

Thanks to = you!

-- Carlos.


Mach

Thank = you,

Carlos = Pignataro.


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This is to start a "two week"= poll on adopting

draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-= 02

as an MPLS working group document.=

 

Please send your comments (support/not = support) to the mpls working

group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

 

This poll will end September 20, 2013.<= o:p>

 

Thanks, Ross

 

--_000_b6b1056dd49f43499369f958480e6df2BLUPR05MB070namprd05pro_-- From agmalis@gmail.com Thu Sep 5 11:44:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C3D11E81C7 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 11:44:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8DoPuSuGCYdl for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 11:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x235.google.com (mail-wg0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::235]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198C111E80F3 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 11:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id n12so1761282wgh.8 for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2013 11:44:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=1fK3INwGZyWoHgWW+QKyujOrpJGBnG5VuO0kbiBj79k=; b=zfdbm2wQU2DSvaYV05J0bhtBei48rlzBYFae99X4qMuZ3qUCCcb638lZ0QkfEAj18Y suAclHjC9fF0JXPIzvUVRCtWcmUPZLOCbLq5ETRcKBfmFzYh0v9ViHFZSQaWnm6hVwFD JuWmD90fMElw0cDEUkG8EcXRhtSMKtI58lvQaM3QST67pZrIElzdp0K8JGCOeeUTxilV GIYNglbYxKgn97T9n8FTvc9Jgyy2hhDhMkKGMjgxy28PK0kaUNNNscxjZBhKUM32sE4q z7mfUWgm19tZPHOEVVD/7Nely8AIcG4tP+OEJBzxp753TF4gE9p5EUbyJmnHaUz3BI3+ Dwvg== X-Received: by 10.180.229.103 with SMTP id sp7mr7525464wic.2.1378406674107; Thu, 05 Sep 2013 11:44:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.255.20 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 11:44:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:44:14 -0400 Message-ID: To: Ross Callon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1135fafe2a92ff04e5a75013 Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "loa@mail01.huawei.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 18:44:39 -0000 --001a1135fafe2a92ff04e5a75013 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ross, Yes, this is a much-needed cleanup of the associated IANA registries. Thanks, Andy On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Ross Callon wrote: > This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting**** > > draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02**** > > as an MPLS working group document.**** > > **** > > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working**** > > group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).**** > > **** > > This poll will end September 20, 2013.**** > > **** > > Thanks, Ross**** > > **** > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > --001a1135fafe2a92ff04e5a75013 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ross,

Yes, this is a much-needed cleanup= of the associated IANA registries.

Thanks,
Andy


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 = at 12:01 PM, Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper.net> wrote:

This is to start a "two week"= poll on adopting

draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-= 02

as an MPLS working group document.

=A0

Please send your comments (support/not = support) to the mpls working

group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

=A0

This poll will end September 20, 2013.<= u>

=A0

Thanks, Ross

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Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBC421E8099; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 01:16:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.70.p1 Message-ID: <20130906081639.18442.55997.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 01:16:39 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-rosetta-stone-12.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 08:16:45 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Gro= up of the IETF. Title : A Thesaurus for the Terminology used in Multiprotocol La= bel Switching Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) drafts/RFCs and ITU-T's Transport= Network Recommendations. Author(s) : Huub van Helvoort Loa Andersson Nurit Sprecher Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-tp-rosetta-stone-12.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2013-09-06 Abstract: MPLS-TP is based on a profile of the MPLS and PW procedures as specified in the MPLS-TE and (MS-)PW architectures developed by the IETF. The ITU-T has specified a Transport Network architecture. This document provides a thesaurus for the interpretation of MPLS-TP terminology within the context of the ITU-T Transport Network recommendations. It is important to note that MPLS-TP is applicable in a wider set of contexts than just Transport Networks. The definitions presented in this document do not provide exclusive nor complete interpretations of MPLS-TP concepts. This document simply allows the MPLS-TP terms to be applied within the Transport Network context. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-rosetta-stone There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-rosetta-stone-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-tp-rosetta-stone-12 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Fri, 6 Sep 2013 11:57:34 +0000 Message-ID: <086101ceaaf8$2223b5a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> From: t.petch To: Ross Callon , References: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:53:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: [157.56.248.133] X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%JUNIPER.NET$RO%1$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org, loa@mail01.huawei.com Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 11:58:17 -0000 Messy We end up with a better IANA registry but with worse underlying RFC, since this updates seven of them, making it harder to find the current status of the MPLS standards, and we already have an awful lot of MPLS RFC interacting with each other. Is there a half-way house which gives us most of the benefit with fewer updates? And this hits PWE3 so I think that they should be polled as well. On balance, I do not support this. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Callon" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 5:01 PM Subject: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 as an MPLS working group document. Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). This poll will end September 20, 2013. Thanks, Ross ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > From loa@pi.nu Fri Sep 6 05:03:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DB421F9B81; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 05:03:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.734 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.734 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.865, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CMDnSWu9exAL; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 05:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0E421F9DBD; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 05:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.59] (81-229-83-119-no65.business.telia.com [81.229.83.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 114EB18014F6; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 14:03:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5229C484.1080202@pi.nu> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 14:03:16 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" , karp@ietf.org, "pwe3@ietf.org" References: <52208E2E.1020007@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <52208E2E.1020007@pi.nu> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <52208E2E.1020007@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [mpls] Restart: Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello-crypto-auth-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 12:03:26 -0000 MPLS, KARP and PWE3 working groups, We started a working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello- crypto-auth lastt week. However I made a mistake when sending it out, in addition to the MPLS wg it should also have gone to KARP. I think it could also be of interest for PWE3. I've therefore extended the the wglc until Sep 20 to give KARP and PWE3 a chance to comment. However the comments should be sent to mpls@ietf.org. /Loa for the mpls wg co-chairs ---------------------------original message ------------------------- Working Group, this is to start a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello-crypto-auth-02. Please send your comment to working group mailing lists (mpls@ietf.org). We did an IPR poll on this document prior to accepting it as a working group document. All the authors responded to the IPR poll that they are not aware of IPR's relating to this document. There are no IPRs disclosed against this document. The working group last call will end Friday September 13, 2913. /Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com Fri Sep 6 06:21:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B4411E8196 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 06:21:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.375, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GDUd9vbUnM-B for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 06:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.bemta3.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta3.messagelabs.com [195.245.230.167]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689F011E8192 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 06:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [85.158.137.68:13712] by server-7.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id B3/9E-24536-7B6D9225; Fri, 06 Sep 2013 13:20:55 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1378473654!541514!1 X-Originating-IP: [147.234.242.234] X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.12; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 2354 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2013 13:20:54 -0000 Received: from ilptbmg01-out.ecitele.com (HELO ilptbmg01-out.ecitele.com) (147.234.242.234) by server-15.tower-31.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Sep 2013 13:20:54 -0000 X-AuditID: 93eaf2e7-b7f9b6d0000018e7-29-5229d6b54fcf Received: from ILPTWPVEXCA02.ecitele.com ( [172.31.244.232]) by ilptbmg01-out.ecitele.com (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id D9.F7.06375.5B6D9225; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 16:20:53 +0300 (IDT) Received: from ILPTWPVEXMB01.ecitele.com ([fe80::f152:8eaf:8fb0:a5da]) by ILPTWPVEXCA02.ecitele.com ([fe80::c473:490d:3a7e:e34a%12]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 16:20:53 +0300 From: Alexander Vainshtein To: "Andrew G. Malis" , Ross Callon Thread-Topic: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 Thread-Index: AQHOqmgD70oGrYkbOEesd4HjATzYIZm4su5a Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:20:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.234.1.1] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F9336571731ADE42A5397FC831CEAA0215140920ILPTWPVEXMB01ec_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrPKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUy+dWnL7pbr2kGGew6YWWxddIcJotbS1ey OjB5LFnyk8ljx+YHrAFMUQ2MNol5efkliSWpCimpxcm2SgFFmWWJyZVKCpkptkqGSgoFOYnJ qbmpeSW2SokFBal5KUp2XAoYwAaoLDNPITUvOT8lMy/dVskz2F/XwsLUUtdQyU5N2dDYmisk I7NYIVU3NzEzRyE3tbg4MT1VASiSsIU5Y8+6NuaC9ZoVF549Ymxg3KXSxcjJISFgIvH/1Q12 CFtM4sK99WxdjFwcQgIHGSWm/OlihHCOMEqcv/KeEaSKTcBWYtPqu2wgtoiAj8TiGxuZQIqY BSYySnx98Zq1i5GDQ1ggUKL9YBZETZDEmXU3WSBsI4nLL/cwg9gsAioSPx9vBNvMKxAgcenT fhaIZbMYJb7/OguW4ASas2LKbyYQmxHovO+n1oDZzALiEreezGeCOFtAYsme88wQtqjEy8f/ WCFseYmLHx5A1edLfN/exAixTFDi5MwnLBA1khIHV9xgmcAoNgvJ2FlIWmYhaYGI60ncmDqF DcLWlli28DUzhK0rMePfIRZk8QWM7KsYRTNzCkqSctMNDPVSkzNLUnNS9ZLzczcxQlLP8x2M v+arHGIMAgbIRGYp7uR8YOrKK4k3NjAgkqMkzru8IdxfSCAdmLyyU1MLUovii0pzUosPMTJx cEo1MN63Fnr862jpeiumx83uy4+euSrQfX32UYvqxDzTRofvkvt+h/+5/PdWStvRqnshOafu dzbwBvtuMHA75Lbg5sl7643PiG2WPD03oz548pvpP172+s6xnqG+a96yuWaHWg8UNfresVZV atps0FK4rPKw51vm4jM5JxM5yr/rOF3bvTmx/279SV8lluKMREMt5qLiRABaFjeYQgMAAA== Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "loa@mail01.huawei.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 13:21:05 -0000 --_000_F9336571731ADE42A5397FC831CEAA0215140920ILPTWPVEXMB01ec_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable +1 Regards, SASHA ________________________________ From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mpls-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Andrew G. M= alis [agmalis@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:44 PM To: Ross Callon Cc: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; loa@mail01.huawei.com Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries= -02 Ross, Yes, this is a much-needed cleanup of the associated IANA registries. Thanks, Andy On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Ross Callon > wrote: This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 as an MPLS working group document. Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). This poll will end September 20, 2013. Thanks, Ross _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains informat= ion which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. 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Regards,

    SASHA

From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mpls-bounces@ie= tf.org] on behalf of Andrew G. Malis [agmalis@gmail.com]
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Cc: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; loa@mail01.huawei.com<= br> Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-reg= istries-02

Ross,

Yes, this is a much-needed cleanup of the associated IANA registries.

Thanks,
Andy


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper= .net> wrote:

This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting<= /u>

draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02

as an MPLS working group document.

 

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--_000_F9336571731ADE42A5397FC831CEAA0215140920ILPTWPVEXMB01ec_-- From cpignata@cisco.com Fri Sep 6 06:29:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC1511E8145 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 06:29:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_15=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VGtlgO3gYhV5 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 06:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB15621F9FCF for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 06:29:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=7522; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1378474152; x=1379683752; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=3nYODOIcfiGX+X0rZgHf4jQvH64MMiE90mRm3RNSqC0=; b=KQcaPLHANrnhzOZCNF60kWW3rgtpIbjrZ5CU0MZKNIQ8HOwRnl/TPiZb laAXGM/fBS8J1RPQ1+Skl6L7XckR42hjhpSx9Q2OMaSVDL65wqFnxgbFy ynZfACrsU+zJoxj3EJ9Va1O/6zxo2xHrosxhc/xUAIWvsybmxQHOByt1r 0=; X-Files: signature.asc : 203 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgkFAGrYKVKtJV2Z/2dsb2JhbABbgwc1UcFUgSUWdIIkAQEBAwEBAQELVwkLBQcEAgEIEQQBAQsdBycLFAkIAgQOBQgGh24GDL5FBI9LMQcGgxeBAAOQI4EumAqDIIIq X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.90,854,1371081600"; d="asc'?scan'208,217";a="256555971" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Sep 2013 13:29:11 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com [173.36.12.86]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r86DTBZM011173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:29:11 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([169.254.5.15]) by xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com ([173.36.12.86]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 08:29:11 -0500 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: "t.petch" Thread-Topic: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 Thread-Index: AQHOqvhwmr22CsoIUk+JPruU3Romt5m5CAQA Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:29:10 +0000 Message-ID: <95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED325EFADA0@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> References: <086101ceaaf8$2223b5a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> In-Reply-To: <086101ceaaf8$2223b5a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.117.115.50] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DFB1BD38-10AB-4D59-B337-CA31048B4285"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Ross Callon , "" , "" , "" Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 13:29:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DFB1BD38-10AB-4D59-B337-CA31048B4285 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_616F5552-191F-46C2-947B-3ECA873F275A" --Apple-Mail=_616F5552-191F-46C2-947B-3ECA873F275A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom, It is, indeed, a tradeoff whether to update IANA registries (or = documents for that matter) after-the-fact. I agree that both sides of = the equation need to be weighted, and thanks for the input. I will add = that there is a timing condition to the trade-off, such that controlling = mess earlier prevents compounded mess. Based on these points, my thoughts: I contend that in this case, we end up with better underlying RFCs as = well -- if you actually check the RFCs being updated, none of them have = pointers (URIs) to the actual IANA registries. Only vague descriptions = -- so the registries are really hard to find. With this update, the = RFCs' metadata are updated, and the new RFC will have precise pointers. Is the WG planning on adding features that require numbers for G-ACh? If = the answer is at least "maybe" or "potentially", then we should do this = now to prevent exponential mess. Arguably we should have done this = earlier. Regarding PWE3, I agree as well -- Andy Malis weighted in, feel free to = also forward the poll to PWE3. Thanks, -- Carlos. On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:53 AM, t.petch wrote: > Messy >=20 > We end up with a better IANA registry but with worse underlying RFC, > since this updates seven of them, making it harder to find the current > status of the MPLS standards, and we already have an awful lot of MPLS > RFC interacting with each other. >=20 > Is there a half-way house which gives us most of the benefit with = fewer > updates? >=20 > And this hits PWE3 so I think that they should be polled as well. >=20 > On balance, I do not support this. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross Callon" > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 5:01 PM > Subject: [mpls] Poll for Adoption > draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 >=20 >=20 > This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting > draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 > as an MPLS working group document. >=20 > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working > group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). >=20 > This poll will end September 20, 2013. >=20 > Thanks, Ross >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- >=20 >=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> mpls mailing list >> mpls@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >>=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --Apple-Mail=_616F5552-191F-46C2-947B-3ECA873F275A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Regarding PWE3, I agree as well -- Andy = Malis weighted in, feel free to also forward the poll to = PWE3.

Thanks,

-- = Carlos.

On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:53 AM, t.petch = <ietfc@btconnect.com> = wrote:

Messy

We end up with a better IANA registry but = with worse underlying RFC,
since this updates seven of them, making = it harder to find the current
status of the MPLS standards, and we = already have an awful lot of MPLS
RFC interacting with each = other.

Is there a half-way house which gives us most of the = benefit with fewer
updates?

And this hits PWE3 so I think that = they should be polled as well.

On balance, I do not support = this.

Tom Petch

----- Original Message -----
From: = "Ross Callon" <rcallon@juniper.net>
To: = <mpls@ietf.org>
Cc: <mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org&= gt;; <loa@mail01.huawei.com>
Sen= t: Thursday, September 05, 2013 5:01 PM
Subject: [mpls] Poll for = Adoption
draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02


This is = to start a "two week" poll on = adopting
draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02
as an MPLS = working group document.

Please send your comments (support/not = support) to the mpls working
group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.org>).

This = poll will end September 20, 2013.

Thanks, = Ross




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Malis" Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:04:49 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2409ec2ced704e5b786f4 Cc: Ross Callon , "" , "" , "" Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 14:05:12 -0000 --001a11c2409ec2ced704e5b786f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Tom and Carlos, Thanks for the hint, I just forwarded the call for adoption to the PWE3 list and asked for comments on the MPLS list. Tom, with my PWE3 co-chair on, I really agree with Carlos that the end benefits are much better than the current situation where we've organically arrived. There are times where a cleanup really does help, and this is one of them. Cheers, Andy On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) < cpignata@cisco.com> wrote: > Tom, > > It is, indeed, a tradeoff whether to update IANA registries (or documents > for that matter) after-the-fact. I agree that both sides of the equation > need to be weighted, and thanks for the input. I will add that there is a > timing condition to the trade-off, such that controlling mess earlier > prevents compounded mess. > > Based on these points, my thoughts: > > 1. I contend that in this case, we end up with better underlying RFCs > as well -- if you actually check the RFCs being updated, none of them have > pointers (URIs) to the actual IANA registries. Only vague descriptions -- > so the registries are really hard to find. With this update, the RFCs' > metadata are updated, and the new RFC will have precise pointers. > 2. Is the WG planning on adding features that require numbers for > G-ACh? If the answer is at least "maybe" or "potentially", then we should > do this now to prevent exponential mess. Arguably we should have done this > earlier. > > Regarding PWE3, I agree as well -- Andy Malis weighted in, feel free to > also forward the poll to PWE3. > > Thanks, > > -- Carlos. > > On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:53 AM, t.petch wrote: > > Messy > > We end up with a better IANA registry but with worse underlying RFC, > since this updates seven of them, making it harder to find the current > status of the MPLS standards, and we already have an awful lot of MPLS > RFC interacting with each other. > > Is there a half-way house which gives us most of the benefit with fewer > updates? > > And this hits PWE3 so I think that they should be polled as well. > > On balance, I do not support this. > > Tom Petch > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross Callon" > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 5:01 PM > Subject: [mpls] Poll for Adoption > draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 > > > This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting > draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 > as an MPLS working group document. > > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working > group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org>). > > This poll will end September 20, 2013. > > Thanks, Ross > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > --001a11c2409ec2ced704e5b786f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom and Carlos,

Thanks for the hint, I just fo= rwarded the call for adoption to the PWE3 list and asked for comments on th= e MPLS list.

Tom, with my PWE3 co-chair on, I really agre= e with Carlos that the end benefits are much better than the current situat= ion where we've organically arrived. There are times where a cleanup re= ally does help, and this is one of them.

Cheers,
Andy

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Carlos Pig= nataro (cpignata) <cpignata@cisco.com> wrote:
Tom,
It is, indeed, a tradeoff whether to update IANA registries= (or documents for that matter) after-the-fact. I agree that both sides of = the equation need to be weighted, and thanks for the input. I will add that= there is a timing condition to the trade-off, such that controlling mess e= arlier prevents compounded mess.

Based on these points, my thoughts:
  1. I= contend that in this case, we end up with better underlying RFCs as well -= - if you actually check the RFCs being updated, none of them have pointers = (URIs) to the actual IANA registries. Only vague descriptions -- so the reg= istries are really hard to find. With this update, the RFCs' metadata a= re updated, and the new RFC will have precise pointers.
  2. Is the WG planning on adding features that require numbers for G-ACh? I= f the answer is at least "maybe" or "potentially", then= we should do this now to prevent exponential mess. Arguably we should have= done this earlier.
Regarding PWE3, I agree as well -- Andy Malis weighted in, = feel free to also forward the poll to PWE3.

Thanks= ,

-- Carlos.

On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:53 AM, t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
Messy

We end up with a better IANA regist= ry but with worse underlying RFC,
since this updates seven of them, making it harder to find the current
s= tatus of the MPLS standards, and we already have an awful lot of MPLS
RF= C interacting with each other.

Is there a half-way house which gives= us most of the benefit with fewer
updates?

And this hits PWE3 so I think that they should be polled as= well.

On balance, I do not support this.

Tom Petch

--= --- Original Message -----
From: "Ross Callon" <rcallon@juniper.net> To: <mpls@ietf.org>
Cc: <mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>; <loa@mail01.huawei.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 5:01 PM
Subject: [mpls] Poll for Adop= tion
draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02


This is to sta= rt a "two week" poll on adopting
draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-r= egistries-02
as an MPLS working group document.

Please send your comments (suppor= t/not support) to the mpls working
group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.org>).

This poll will end September 20, 2013.

Thanks, Ross


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--001a11c2409ec2ced704e5b786f4-- From acee.lindem@ericsson.com Fri Sep 6 07:06:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D412011E819A; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cNkO1p3LW2Jq; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 07:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1DB11E8196; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 07:06:36 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-b7fe28e000000d82-bc-5229e16b4952 Received: from EUSAAHC002.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.78]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id D5.44.03458.B61E9225; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 16:06:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB101.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.118]) by EUSAAHC002.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.78]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:06:35 -0400 From: Acee Lindem To: Loa Andersson Thread-Topic: [karp] Restart: Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello-crypto-auth-02 Thread-Index: AQHOqvkgADtLymHtJkWwIzHYfIIbqpm5AbGA Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 14:06:33 +0000 Message-ID: <94A203EA12AECE4BA92D42DBFFE0AE4703042F18@eusaamb101.ericsson.se> References: <52208E2E.1020007@pi.nu> <5229C484.1080202@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <5229C484.1080202@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.134] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <69DE44CD038F7B41BF69090D223401B3@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrJLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXSPn272Q80ggzPzFCz2flvDaPFv7hxm izu7vrBa3Fq6ktWi79MWFgdWj9Zne1k9liz5yeQxa3obWwBzFJdNSmpOZllqkb5dAlfG1c3H 2Qqe8lZsfL6QrYHxPlcXIyeHhICJRNfDVcwQtpjEhXvr2boYuTiEBI4ySsxfupoFwlnGKDHz 51cWkCo2AR2J54/+gXWICMhKXNv2kwmkiFlgPaPE1N0nGEESwgJJEosWbmWFKEqWaGjZyg5h G0k8ufSQDcRmEVCRuDNrGVicV8BXouVQG1hcSMBWYtq6TiYQm1NAVWLJx0dgyxiBzvt+ag1Y nFlAXOLWk/lMEGcLSCzZcx7qBVGJl4//sULYyhJLnuxngajXkViw+xPQfA4g21pi5iUpiLC2 xLKFr5khThCUODnzCcsERvFZSDbMQtI9C6F7FpLuWUi6FzCyrmLkKC1OLctNNzLcxAiMvmMS bI47GBd8sjzEKM3BoiTOu0HvTKCQQHpiSWp2ampBalF8UWlOavEhRiYOTqkGRrH521Y3Xr+T vFgi+MvDHNGrsX0zZPft2b95ksK3qh67x8Xf2Hcl/DkSEafMqZSlnJx/9PLeI6su7ei63XZz XU3XlNNSNx9kNW+2fylzSnpdo0uWkOl94wvHL916xXt+tyrPY/H/W7cxr2CTFzJyuXvmqo9S /IJW3vmqU54yn+F2VZ20h4Gln1WJpTgj0VCLuag4EQDiiAdhjAIAAA== Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "pwe3@ietf.org" , "" Subject: Re: [mpls] [karp] Restart: Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello-crypto-auth-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 14:06:44 -0000 Hi Loa,=20 This version includes all my comments as well as the discussion of key leng= th similar to what I added to RFC 6506Bis. I'm happy with the draft.=20 Thanks, Acee=20 On Sep 6, 2013, at 8:03 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > MPLS, KARP and PWE3 working groups, >=20 > We started a working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello- > crypto-auth lastt week. However I made a mistake when sending it > out, in addition to the MPLS wg it should also have gone to KARP. > I think it could also be of interest for PWE3. >=20 > I've therefore extended the the wglc until Sep 20 to give KARP and > PWE3 a chance to comment. >=20 > However the comments should be sent to mpls@ietf.org. >=20 > /Loa > for the mpls wg co-chairs >=20 > ---------------------------original message ------------------------- >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > this is to start a two week working group last call on > draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello-crypto-auth-02. >=20 > Please send your comment to working group mailing lists (mpls@ietf.org). >=20 > We did an IPR poll on this document prior to accepting it as > a working group document. All the authors responded to the IPR poll > that they are not aware of IPR's relating to this document. >=20 > There are no IPRs disclosed against this document. >=20 > The working group last call will end Friday September 13, 2913. >=20 > /Loa >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > karp mailing list > karp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/karp From loa@pi.nu Sat Sep 7 04:08:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA4311E8124 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2013 04:08:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.498, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_15=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LKzJJcDFlFmq for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2013 04:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A1111E811E for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2013 04:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.59] (81-229-83-119-no65.business.telia.com [81.229.83.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D26A218033E4; Sat, 7 Sep 2013 13:08:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <522B0922.8080400@pi.nu> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 13:08:18 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrew G. Malis" References: <086101ceaaf8$2223b5a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED325EFADA0@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "" , "" , Ross Callon , "" Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 11:08:25 -0000 All, I agree with Andy - draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries improve things. It does not make them perfect, but the strategy do do everything on one giant leap have failed, not we approach this is in small steps. /Loa On 2013-09-06 16:04, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > Tom and Carlos, > > Thanks for the hint, I just forwarded the call for adoption to the PWE3 > list and asked for comments on the MPLS list. > > Tom, with my PWE3 co-chair on, I really agree with Carlos that the end > benefits are much better than the current situation where we've > organically arrived. There are times where a cleanup really does help, > and this is one of them. > > Cheers, > Andy > > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) > > wrote: > > Tom, > > It is, indeed, a tradeoff whether to update IANA registries (or > documents for that matter) after-the-fact. I agree that both sides > of the equation need to be weighted, and thanks for the input. I > will add that there is a timing condition to the trade-off, such > that controlling mess earlier prevents compounded mess. > > Based on these points, my thoughts: > > 1. I contend that in this case, we end up with better underlying > RFCs as well -- if you actually check the RFCs being updated, > none of them have pointers (URIs) to the actual IANA registries. > Only vague descriptions -- so the registries are really hard to > find. With this update, the RFCs' metadata are updated, and the > new RFC will have precise pointers. > 2. Is the WG planning on adding features that require numbers for > G-ACh? If the answer is at least "maybe" or "potentially", then > we should do this now to prevent exponential mess. Arguably we > should have done this earlier. > > Regarding PWE3, I agree as well -- Andy Malis weighted in, feel free > to also forward the poll to PWE3. > > Thanks, > > -- Carlos. > > On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:53 AM, t.petch > wrote: > >> Messy >> >> We end up with a better IANA registry but with worse underlying RFC, >> since this updates seven of them, making it harder to find the current >> status of the MPLS standards, and we already have an awful lot of MPLS >> RFC interacting with each other. >> >> Is there a half-way house which gives us most of the benefit with >> fewer >> updates? >> >> And this hits PWE3 so I think that they should be polled as well. >> >> On balance, I do not support this. >> >> Tom Petch >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ross Callon" > >> To: > >> Cc: > >; > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 5:01 PM >> Subject: [mpls] Poll for Adoption >> draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 >> >> >> This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting >> draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 >> as an MPLS working group document. >> >> Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working >> group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org >> ). >> >> This poll will end September 20, 2013. >> >> Thanks, Ross >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -------- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpls mailing list >>> mpls@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpls mailing list >> mpls@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From loa@pi.nu Sun Sep 8 09:10:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D691421F9D89 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:10:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dG8oUItGTUJH for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C156A21F9BF1 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.130] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C758018014F6; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:10:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <522CA15F.4020907@pi.nu> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 18:10:07 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp@tools.ietf.org, "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 16:10:17 -0000 Working Group, The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. We did an IPR poll for this document just before accepting it as a working group document. However that was over a year ago and before starting the wg last call we will do and IPR poll and a working group chair review. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to Working Group, The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft earlier. Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) ? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The documents will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft earlier. Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The documents will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From loa@pi.nu Sun Sep 8 09:27:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9F111E8120 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:27:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nd3Gd39xBQTc for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B93511E8115 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 09:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.130] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 25D9C18014F6; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:27:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <522CA561.1040509@pi.nu> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 18:27:13 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp@tools.ietf.org, "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" References: <522CA15F.4020907@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <522CA15F.4020907@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [mpls] Correction: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 16:27:22 -0000 Working Group, Note: I'd a cut 'n paste error in the previous mail, here is the corrected info: The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. We did an IPR poll for this document just before accepting it as a working group document. However that was over a year ago and before starting the wg last call we will do and IPR poll and a working group chair review. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to Working Group, The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft earlier. Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) ? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The documents will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft earlier. Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The documents will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From ice@cisco.com Sun Sep 8 11:15:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE88511E812E for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DK-QN6CjuXia for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 11:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB7E11E8128 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 11:15:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3878; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1378664103; x=1379873703; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=3S5LMvMlUDvg6AkFl2UqFq3NgBVBN8ttGZD/2/1Ia/8=; b=VMDdX68ysKlg2+DX4CXW+WYLVmdcRr7FNbnj01kZW80aZOeYC8plJqZ3 5+8Ia9b/hgFzUMJgzBptxGXAHDfiDz/Y2xH1zrONphUI0RXAfn1nKdlwR HtEpRQFNFzgcP/LPy3krexYPdNdeO+tKbAQelaYuJZm2upyZNDzaNALoP g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAP69LFKQ/khM/2dsb2JhbABagwfDFIEkFnSCJQEBAQMBawMGBQ4CC0YbPAYTh3wGxh4EjjMQgTkHgx2BAAOXdZFmgyI6gTU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.90,865,1371081600"; d="scan'208";a="159378533" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Sep 2013 18:15:01 +0000 Received: from ams-iwijnand-8719.cisco.com (ams-iwijnand-8719.cisco.com [10.55.191.154]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r88IExwY025953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:14:59 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: IJsbrand Wijnands In-Reply-To: <522CA561.1040509@pi.nu> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 20:14:59 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7A839780-38B3-4295-847E-9E08116B78C4@cisco.com> References: <522CA15F.4020907@pi.nu> <522CA561.1040509@pi.nu> To: Loa Andersson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] Correction: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 18:15:09 -0000 Hi Loa, I'm not aware of IPR. Thx, Ice. On 08 Sep 2013, at 18:27, Loa Andersson wrote: > > Working Group, > > Note: I'd a cut 'n paste error in the previous mail, here is > the corrected info: > > The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working > group last called. We did an IPR poll for this document just > before accepting it as a working group document. However that > was over a year ago and before starting the wg last call we > will do and IPR poll and a working group chair review. > > This mail starts that IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to Working Group, > > The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working > group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft > earlier. > > Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. > > This mail starts that IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) ? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The > documents will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working > group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft > earlier. > > Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. > > This mail starts that IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The > documents will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) > > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From internet-drafts@ietf.org Sun Sep 8 18:55:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFA511E8197; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:55:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OWa10i+6wNVb; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1707511E80FD; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:55:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.70.p1 Message-ID: <20130909015526.31437.50096.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 18:55:26 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 01:55:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Gro= up of the IETF. Title : Encapsulating MPLS in UDP Author(s) : Xiaohu Xu Nischal Sheth Lucy Yong Carlos Pignataro Yongbing Fan Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2013-09-08 Abstract: This document specifies an additional IP-based encapsulation for MPLS, referred to as MPLS-in-UDP (User Datagram Protocol), which is applicable in some circumstances. This document only describes the MPLS-in-UDP encapsulation. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From mach.chen@huawei.com Sun Sep 8 19:41:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FCE21E8128 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 19:41:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.544 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.544 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L7Tcp7yjtXOc for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 19:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1703021E8084 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 19:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AXC03047; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 02:41:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 03:41:41 +0100 Received: from SZXEML412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.91) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 03:41:43 +0100 Received: from szxeml558-mbs.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.31]) by szxeml412-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.91]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.007; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:41:38 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: Ross Callon , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 Thread-Index: AQHOqlE25/NZ7B71AkmyDCLp48kexJm8peUA Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 02:41:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.96.176] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE255C758C7szxeml558mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "loa@mail01.huawei.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 02:41:52 -0000 --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE255C758C7szxeml558mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support! Best regards, Mach From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ros= s Callon Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:02 AM To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; loa@mail01.huawei.com Subject: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 as an MPLS working group document. Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). This poll will end September 20, 2013. Thanks, Ross --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE255C758C7szxeml558mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Callon
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To: mpls@ietf.org
Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.o= rg; loa@mail01.huawei.com
Subject: [mpls] Poll for Ado= ption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02

 

This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting

draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02

as an MPLS working group document.

 

Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls worki= ng

group mailing list (mpls@ietf.or= g).

 

This poll will end September 20, 2013.

 

Thanks, Ross

 

--_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE255C758C7szxeml558mbschi_-- From lizho.jin@gmail.com Sun Sep 8 22:13:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994EC21E80D3 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 22:13:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id McE8LgTTK19c for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 22:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qc0-x232.google.com (mail-qc0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::232]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1064A21E8095 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 22:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id r5so3033711qcx.37 for ; Sun, 08 Sep 2013 22:13:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=b26Ww1u9cKTVQWBXWGm9KjlAkUWLYkG3oJWQYXVpv34=; b=fWSMi3KZMvVIuKjj/R9Kbp95nAP9eRbJ++zDCKQtvhPADph4HuIOTg2sQ3zUJu6EbT lAq+K6q5NY9C17Ygy4UTicHmN1soYITnBE4LwsZUsAXR/vnKj6UWRYnkTWA8p2A0fTfm sEshsLSHAkp+pNnRiiGJB7zol8ob9M5Rm2jZUNUNz6giHf7hVqfv1dz4XwDYAJyRSEiH eo4a++5D+JiAkwOQpVmP6dC3Zdu7ioELeMzu6JkdJLXKXvmfOV5kLRKfw3l6xQAZXZ+a fa5PEW67Dzs0uHfg1nGmk51zpseshbzWVf9izke3dXDBBF3ZiC+e74SmsLHNNBBJfkpc oLhA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.59.44 with SMTP id w12mr21283500qeq.57.1378703618465; Sun, 08 Sep 2013 22:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.3.225 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Sep 2013 22:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:13:38 +0800 Message-ID: From: Lizhong Jin To: Loa Andersson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5daca06de49404e5ec732c Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] Correction: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 05:13:50 -0000 --047d7b5daca06de49404e5ec732c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Loa, Yes, there is a related IPR that has already been disclosured at IETF, and ID is #1777. Thanks Lizhong On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > > Working Group, > > Note: I'd a cut 'n paste error in the previous mail, here is > the corrected info: > > The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working > group last called. We did an IPR poll for this document just > before accepting it as a working group document. However that > was over a year ago and before starting the wg last call we > will do and IPR poll and a working group chair review. > > This mail starts that IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to Working Group, > > The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working > group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft > earlier. > > Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. > > This mail starts that IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) ? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The > documents will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working > group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft > earlier. > > Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. > > This mail starts that IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The > documents will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) > > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > --047d7b5daca06de49404e5ec732c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Loa,
Yes, there is a related=A0IPR that = has already been disclosured at IETF, and ID is #1777.
=A0
<= div>Thanks
Lizhong
=A0
=
=A0
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Loa An= dersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

=A0Working Group,

Note: I'd a cut 'n paste error in the previous mail, here is
the corrected info:

=A0The authors of =A0draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp has told the
=A0working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working
=A0group last called. We did an IPR poll for this document just
=A0before accepting it as a working group document. However that
=A0was over a year ago and before starting the wg last call we
=A0will do and IPR poll and a working group chair review.

=A0This mail starts that IPR poll.

=A0Are you aware of any IPR that applies to Working Group,

=A0The authors of =A0draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp has told the
=A0working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working
=A0group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft
=A0earlier.

=A0Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll.

=A0This mail starts that IPR poll.

=A0Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp?

=A0If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
=A0(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

=A0If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<= br> =A0this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant =A0IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The =A0document will not advance to the next stage until a response
=A0has been received from each author and contributor.

=A0If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or<= br> =A0contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any=
=A0IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.


=A0Thanks, Loa
=A0(as MPLS WG co-chair) ?

=A0If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
=A0(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

=A0If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<= br> =A0this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant =A0IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The =A0documents will not advance to the next stage until a response
=A0has been received from each author and contributor.

=A0If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or<= br> =A0contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any=
=A0IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.


=A0Thanks, Loa
=A0(as MPLS WG co-chair) =A0has told the
=A0working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working
=A0group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft
=A0earlier.

=A0Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll.

=A0This mail starts that IPR poll.

=A0Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls?<= br>
=A0If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
=A0(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

=A0If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<= br> =A0this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant =A0IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The =A0documents will not advance to the next stage until a response
=A0has been received from each author and contributor.

=A0If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or<= br> =A0contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any=
=A0IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.


=A0Thanks, Loa
=A0(as MPLS WG co-chair)

--


Loa Andersson =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
Senior MPLS Expert =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0loa@pi.nu
Huawei Technologies (consultant) =A0 =A0 phone: +46 739 81 21 64

--047d7b5daca06de49404e5ec732c-- From mkonstan@cisco.com Mon Sep 9 07:56:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CB611E8212 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 07:56:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mQx5j3TSena6 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 07:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1D321E81E2 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 07:47:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1513; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1378738033; x=1379947633; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=yW3Og5y16Xia8zXAxWn63EFO+TR0OSCeRQJEREmT31M=; b=dF0ALDYAQvGQjTekNtHAA0hpG8hsHH8ydMTHbAZxDKs8cTS7M9PcFhXx lpiTiSXSscSo2G6blHIQnsu+p+/3vSC0saeNA/T9gKrwRfYDqdhuoe8by LF557PrkhMBuysmsMeJsHVYdg0KIlFSChGuXVInj1YnuSTx2f+VHwMYse M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIFAPreLVKtJXG+/2dsb2JhbABbgweBCcIVgSIWdIIlAQEBAwFrAwYFBQkCAgEIIiQbFyUCBA4FCId0BsNEBI4zEIEGAjEHgx2BAAOIfaBegyCBcTk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.90,866,1371081600"; d="scan'208";a="257349691" Received: from rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com ([173.37.113.190]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Sep 2013 14:47:13 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com [173.36.12.88]) by rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r89ElC89008462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Sep 2013 14:47:12 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x06.cisco.com ([169.254.6.250]) by xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com ([173.36.12.88]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:47:12 -0500 From: "Maciek Konstantynowicz (mkonstan)" To: Loa Andersson Thread-Topic: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls Thread-Index: AQHOrWt3ag8bYyEY9UK8o3YeJ29ZzQ== Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 14:47:12 +0000 Message-ID: <96EE5A5F6E4E6448B2AC953A71A9739B2A6EB9C3@xmb-rcd-x06.cisco.com> References: <51F13BDD.9080704@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <51F13BDD.9080704@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.82.233.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <2FD284E6C5F6D84FB65E03B328CB5CA6@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "Maciek Konstantynowicz \(mkonstan\)" Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 14:56:05 -0000 Loa, I am not aware of any IPR specific to this draft. Thanks, Maciek. On 25 Jul 2013, at 15:53, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, >=20 > The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working > group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft > earlier. >=20 > Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. >=20 > This mail starts that IPR poll. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The doc= uments will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 >=20 > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) > --=20 >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From bruno.decraene@orange.com Mon Sep 9 08:54:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A2121E821E for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:54:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WLqJ7u0XhSS0 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias92.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98AD611E8256 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm06.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.2]) by omfedm14.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 458A422C278; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 17:39:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.183]) by omfedm06.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 2773C27C046; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 17:39:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::a441:e6a9:6143:6f0f]) by PEXCVZYH02.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 17:39:12 +0200 From: To: Loa Andersson Thread-Topic: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls Thread-Index: AQHOiUa0xjpJRuvxcUuuaG+YbUlueJm90Dow Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:39:11 +0000 Message-ID: <13230_1378741153_522DEBA1_13230_5545_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0705B61D@PEXCVZYM11.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <51F13BDD.9080704@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <51F13BDD.9080704@pi.nu> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.197.38.5] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2013.9.9.120615 Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls.all@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 15:54:36 -0000 Loa, I am not aware of any undisclosed IPR that is specific to this draft. I'm not sure whether I'm expected to say that draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls= may use RFC 5283 which has a disclosed IPR: https://datatracker.ietf.org/i= pr/search/?option=3Drfc_search&rfc_search=3D5283=20 Thanks, Bruno >-----Original Message----- >From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu] >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 4:53 PM >To: mpls@ietf.org >Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-seamless- >mpls.all@tools.ietf.org; VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN) >Subject: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls > >Working Group, > >The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls has told the >working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working >group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft >earlier. > >Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. > >This mail starts that IPR poll. > >Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls? > >If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > >If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to >this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant >IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The >documents will not advance to the next stage until a response >has been received from each author and contributor. > >If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or >contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any >IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > >Thanks, Loa >(as MPLS WG co-chair) >-- > > >Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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From ietf-ipr@ietf.org Mon Sep 9 14:42:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117EC11E815E; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 14:42:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.276 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.276 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.324, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tUIv2Nmhv5al; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 14:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8915E11E81B6; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 14:42:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Secretariat To: yakov@juniper.net, raggarwa_1@yahoo.com, wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com, quintin.zhao@huawei.com, renwei.li@huawei.com, nicolai.leymann@t-systems.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130909214216.16959.73170.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 14:42:16 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org, rcallon@juniper.net, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] IPR Disclosure: Juniper's Statement of IPR related to draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp-03 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 21:42:24 -0000 Dear Yakov Rekhter, Rahul Aggarwal, Wim Henderickx, Quintin Zhao, Renwei Li= , Nicolai Leymann: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Carrying = PIM- SM in ASM mode Trees over P2MP mLDP LSPs" (draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-m= ldp) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2013-09-09 and has been posted on = the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2189/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Juniper's Statement of IPR related to draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over- mldp-03.""); The IETF Secretariat From xuxiaohu@huawei.com Mon Sep 9 17:56:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CEF11E80D1; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 17:56:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E1rYcDvNAZYB; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 17:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD63721F9C6A; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 17:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AXC97227; 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Tue, 10 Sep 2013 01:37:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rFi7lx8+6H+b; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 01:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034D121E80B9; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 01:37:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130910083727.23499.60626.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 01:37:27 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-cdh-mpls-tp-psc-non-revertive-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:37:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Gro= up of the IETF. Title : PSC protocol updates for non-revertive operation Author(s) : Taesik Cheung Alessandro D'Alessandro Huub van Helvoort Filename : draft-cdh-mpls-tp-psc-non-revertive-01.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2013-09-10 Abstract: This document optionally updates [RFC6378], "MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Linear Protection", to change non-revertive operation to be aligned with the behavior defined in [RFC4427] and in an effort to satisfy the ITU-T's protection switching requirements. An operator command, Manual Switch to Working (MS-W) is also included to revert traffic to the working path in non-revertive operation. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cdh-mpls-tp-psc-non-revertive There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cdh-mpls-tp-psc-non-revertive-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-cdh-mpls-tp-psc-non-revertive-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From loa@pi.nu Tue Sep 10 05:57:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0173821F9F85 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 05:57:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jKk7FGCb8G4i for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 05:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10A721F85D1 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 05:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.61] (81-229-83-119-no65.business.telia.com [81.229.83.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B78E318033E4; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:57:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <522F1730.1050604@pi.nu> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:57:20 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" , Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] The IETF data tracker updated X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:57:44 -0000 Working Group, the data tracker for working group documents has been update. One change that we have requested for some time is that we have an initial state other than "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" since that gives the impression the a poll to see if we have consensus to adopt the document as working group document, but we only started to prepare that poll. We now have a state that we will use for this preparation phase - it is called "Candidate for WG Adoption". During preparation we are e.g. doing, wg chair reviews, mpls-rt reviews and an IPR poll. Some authors has started to receive mails indicating that their documents have been put into this new state. The mails are sent automatically from the IETF secretariat, you should not respond to these mails, and questions should be directed to the working group chairs. Martin has been doing most of these updates and we want to thank him (for all the work) and also Henrik L for implementing the new state. /Loa for the mpls working group chairs -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From ietfc@btconnect.com Tue Sep 10 06:37:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AFE21E80CF for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 06:37:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.133 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.133 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_15=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, UNRESOLVED_TEMPLATE=3.132] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dt7eEqeIt1gR for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 06:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C49A21E8123 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 06:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail94-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.254) by VA3EHSOBE004.bigfish.com (10.7.40.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:37:00 +0000 Received: from mail94-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail94-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137174E00AD; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:37:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.254.181; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:DBXPRD0711HT001.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -19 X-BigFish: PS-19(zz98dI9371I1454I542I1432I1418I4015I1447Izz1f42h208ch1ee6h1de0h1fdah2073h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ah1fc6hzz8275ch1de098h1033IL1de097h8275bh8275dhz2dh2a8h5a9h839h947hd24hf0ah1177h1179h1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah139eh13b6h1441h1504h1537h162dh1631h1758h17f1h184fh1898h18e1h1946h19b5h19ceh1ad9h1b0ah1d0ch1d2eh1d3fh1dfeh1dffh1e1dh1e23h304l1d11m1155h) Received: from mail94-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail94-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1378820218435301_22340; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS010.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.250]) by mail94-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A76E1C004D; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DBXPRD0711HT001.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (157.56.254.181) by VA3EHSMHS010.bigfish.com (10.7.99.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:36:58 +0000 Received: from DBXPRD0411HT001.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (157.56.253.165) by pod51017.outlook.com (10.255.178.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.353.4; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:36:56 +0000 Message-ID: <006701ceae2a$aa3e6b80$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> From: t.petch To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" References: <086101ceaaf8$2223b5a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED325EFADA0@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:11:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: [157.56.253.165] X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%JUNIPER.NET$RO%1$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Cc: Ross Callon , mpls@ietf.org, mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org, loa@mail01.huawei.com Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoptiondraft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:37:22 -0000 More opposition - see below, Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: "t.petch" Cc: "Ross Callon" ; ; ; Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoptiondraft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 Tom, It is, indeed, a tradeoff whether to update IANA registries (or documents for that matter) after-the-fact. I agree that both sides of the equation need to be weighted, and thanks for the input. I will add that there is a timing condition to the trade-off, such that controlling mess earlier prevents compounded mess. Based on these points, my thoughts: I contend that in this case, we end up with better underlying RFCs as well -- if you actually check the RFCs being updated, none of them have pointers (URIs) to the actual IANA registries. Only vague descriptions -- so the registries are really hard to find. With this update, the RFCs' metadata are updated, and the new RFC will have precise pointers. Is the WG planning on adding features that require numbers for G-ACh? If the answer is at least "maybe" or "potentially", then we should do this now to prevent exponential mess. Arguably we should have done this earlier. I do not understand the logic of this I-D. It renames the "Pseudowire Associated Channel Types" into "MPLS Generalized Associated Channel (G-ACh) Types (including Pseudowire Associated Channel Types)". It identifies RFC5586, in Section 3, as being affected, but why not RFC4385 or the ten other RFC which define entries in the to-be-renamed registry? Read one of them (e.g. RFC5885), check that this is not affected by errata or updates thereto, go looking for the registry by name and you will not find it (once this has been implemented). Tom Petch Regarding PWE3, I agree as well -- Andy Malis weighted in, feel free to also forward the poll to PWE3. Thanks, -- Carlos. On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:53 AM, t.petch wrote: > Messy > > We end up with a better IANA registry but with worse underlying RFC, > since this updates seven of them, making it harder to find the current > status of the MPLS standards, and we already have an awful lot of MPLS > RFC interacting with each other. > > Is there a half-way house which gives us most of the benefit with fewer > updates? > > And this hits PWE3 so I think that they should be polled as well. > > On balance, I do not support this. > > Tom Petch > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross Callon" > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 5:01 PM > Subject: [mpls] Poll for Adoption > > This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting > draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 > as an MPLS working group document. > > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working > group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). > > This poll will end September 20, 2013. > > Thanks, Ross > From cpignata@cisco.com Tue Sep 10 07:02:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9409821E8053 for ; 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boundary="Apple-Mail=_FE9BF4EA-C9F0-4BCF-A1B5-4CAF1308EC43"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Ross Callon , "" , "" , "" Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoptiondraft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:03:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FE9BF4EA-C9F0-4BCF-A1B5-4CAF1308EC43 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Tom, On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:11 AM, t.petch wrote: > More opposition - see below, Thanks -- frankly I did not read your comments as "opposition" but as = two small pieces of improvement since the root problem is still there, = and gets worst. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" > To: "t.petch" > Cc: "Ross Callon" ; ; > ; > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for > Adoptiondraft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 >=20 >=20 > Tom, >=20 > It is, indeed, a tradeoff whether to update IANA registries (or > documents for that matter) after-the-fact. I agree that both sides of > the equation need to be weighted, and thanks for the input. I will add > that there is a timing condition to the trade-off, such that = controlling > mess earlier prevents compounded mess. >=20 > Based on these points, my thoughts: > I contend that in this case, we end up with better underlying RFCs as > well -- if you actually check the RFCs being updated, none of them = have > pointers (URIs) to the actual IANA registries. Only vague > descriptions -- so the registries are really hard to find. With this > update, the RFCs' metadata are updated, and the new RFC will have > precise pointers. > Is the WG planning on adding features that require numbers for G-ACh? = If > the answer is at least "maybe" or "potentially", then we should do = this > now to prevent exponential mess. Arguably we should have done this > earlier. >=20 > > I do not understand the logic of this I-D. It renames the "Pseudowire > Associated Channel Types" into "MPLS Generalized Associated Channel > (G-ACh) Types (including Pseudowire Associated Channel Types)". >=20 Do you find the Abstract particularly difficult to parse? We really = aimed for a simple logic: The PW-ACH has been generalized, in RFC5586, = and is applicable beyond PWs. However, the IANA registries did not track = this change, and consequently MPLS registrations are made in PWE3 = registries, and G-ACh registrations (meaning the ones that are fields of = the ACH Type) are distributed throughout many different registries. Perhaps the "including" threw you off? If that is so, I think you have a = point, and that could be renamed to "previously" or "formerly". > It identifies RFC5586, in Section 3, as being affected, but why not > RFC4385 or the ten other RFC which define entries in the to-be-renamed > registry? Read one of them (e.g. RFC5885), check that this is not > affected by errata or updates thereto, go looking for the registry by > name and you will not find it (once this has been implemented). >=20 The approach has been to minimize the updates. In that, we chose to only = update RFC5586 for the renaming and moving of the registry. Perhaps = what's needed (as IANA does sometimes) is leave a pointer in the old = registry. Another option is to list the other RFCs. We can ask IANA for = their current best practice. Thanks, -- Carlos. > Tom Petch >=20 >=20 > Regarding PWE3, I agree as well -- Andy Malis weighted in, feel free = to > also forward the poll to PWE3. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > -- Carlos. >=20 > On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:53 AM, t.petch wrote: >=20 >> Messy >>=20 >> We end up with a better IANA registry but with worse underlying RFC, >> since this updates seven of them, making it harder to find the = current >> status of the MPLS standards, and we already have an awful lot of = MPLS >> RFC interacting with each other. >>=20 >> Is there a half-way house which gives us most of the benefit with > fewer >> updates? >>=20 >> And this hits PWE3 so I think that they should be polled as well. >>=20 >> On balance, I do not support this. >>=20 >> Tom Petch >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ross Callon" >> To: >> Cc: ; >> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 5:01 PM >> Subject: [mpls] Poll for Adoption >>=20 >> This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting >> draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 >> as an MPLS working group document. >>=20 >> Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working >> group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). >>=20 >> This poll will end September 20, 2013. >>=20 >> Thanks, Ross >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_FE9BF4EA-C9F0-4BCF-A1B5-4CAF1308EC43 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlIvJnAACgkQtfDPGTp3USxl/ACdGwFkjUsIjUvNhWkpL594N8eK 058An3PUD8iss7ATvXa4KYXdJiaX4PTc =RnJP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_FE9BF4EA-C9F0-4BCF-A1B5-4CAF1308EC43-- From wyaacov@gmail.com Tue Sep 10 09:46:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B19C21E80F8 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fm3E0eeousjf for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x234.google.com (mail-we0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::234]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A95821F844D for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id u57so5733148wes.25 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:45:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=UQ+RfNfuyYA/wilR9fx0uxSd2qWmnn5DhJ0qPZw8NlY=; b=U4iDkiY43jZLgar7PDksIZUJXOY5DKGNz/A1wXpQB/PnK6CEDSiuI4VPnCxjdGMCqw X2VBgBgWONIckxnKnjNYcQG9OhXqESvaLKM72X2vXfY9SaEBfUwe6EO2GtLMki/Zj9D9 jFojdOeN9zVG0L074CEUkZ/ckxYWBseXc/4u/4LNBe2PQne+Cz6kBNiyQ7nwAvKk2t2t wmw6c+x6+KpPfYz0ELj2oLD4r4XtugKHhiYwPlejJKL7cB1aTVal+BQmvEHeAaiNGCjD 8jQ75xrWwzNQymb30O7ZMn0dJhMQau3GxUttXpYkbU4SfaDiYai7IiQ5d7/1e8IpAnMu kurA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.134.97 with SMTP id pj1mr2265106wjb.58.1378831513469; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.152.202 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.152.202 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:45:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:45:13 +0300 Message-ID: From: Yaacov Weingarten To: Ross Callon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122805890ca9204e60a3a7d Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org, loa@mail01.huawei.com Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:46:35 -0000 --089e0122805890ca9204e60a3a7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Support BR, yaacov On Sep 5, 2013 7:02 PM, "Ross Callon" wrote: > This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting**** > > draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02**** > > as an MPLS working group document.**** > > **** > > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working**** > > group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).**** > > **** > > This poll will end September 20, 2013.**** > > **** > > Thanks, Ross**** > > **** > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > --089e0122805890ca9204e60a3a7d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:46:17 +0800 From: Charles Chen C To: "draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Mail regarding RFC4875 (draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp ) Thread-Index: Ac6unjm28uKNsUvrRyCH33DK16/iGA== Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:46:17 +0000 Message-ID: <9C056CD6D9A83C479E43BCBDAF1C416C1DF53803@ESGSCMB103.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [146.11.116.128] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9C056CD6D9A83C479E43BCBDAF1C416C1DF53803ESGSCMB103erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrFLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvje4eQYMgg1lNvBata+Uttk6aw2Tx /dISFotbS1eyOrB4LFnyk8ljx+YHrB5fLn9mC2CO4rJJSc3JLEst0rdL4Mr49rabuaBBtqKn exdbA2OfZBcjJ4eEgInEj4Y17BC2mMSFe+vZuhi5OIQEDjNKvP64jwXCWcIocfL8djaQKjYB I4knc3cwgdgiAokS/ze1sIMUMQvMZJToX/wZbJSwgL3E0Zfn2SGKXCR+zT4E1aAnMfPVK7BB LAKqEnuX/gar4RXwldjXsIYFxGYEOuP7qTVg9cwC4hK3nsxngjhPQGLJnvPMELaoxMvH/1gh bCWJxlfbgGo4gOrzJZ41+EGMFJQ4OfMJywRG4VlIJs1CqJqFpAqiREdiwe5PbBC2tsSyha+Z YewzBx4zIYsvYGRfxciem5iZk15utIkRGD8Ht/xW3cF455zIIUZpDhYlcd7NemcChQTSE0tS s1NTC1KL4otKc1KLDzEycXBKNTDyyz6Y9+pUS4muUEj/91sbLNZO0HGLWCFrO8F/4tsnkwQ0 j7v/XG9ibXDLKC5/sdNFjmQG2ZTLJl63RDkuxa1w43lx+MThuv0v90QKhzb/aSt69ra2S3e5 qPdXo8ilpu6rey8v2DHrqbZljv7HbXa7nyvyH9oguO8uz+l/W48o39rluMfm698IJZbijERD Leai4kQA5zsNgW0CAAA= Cc: "" , "" , "" Subject: [mpls] Mail regarding RFC4875 (draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp ) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:46:30 -0000 --_000_9C056CD6D9A83C479E43BCBDAF1C416C1DF53803ESGSCMB103erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Dear authors, Sorry to disturb you and I have a question about the new class SERO and SR= RO in RFC4875. Since the content of these two objects are the same as ERO and RRO, is it n= ecessary two new class? Is it possible that to reuse the ERO and RRO in this way that: When ERO/RRO are following after Sub LSP object, then they can be treated a= s SERO/SRRO for that Sub LSP? Just wondering your consideration on this part. Thanks. BR. Lei Chen --_000_9C056CD6D9A83C479E43BCBDAF1C416C1DF53803ESGSCMB103erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Dear authors,

 

Sorry to disturb you and I have a question  abo= ut the new class SERO and SRRO in RFC4875.

 

Since the content of these two objects are the same = as ERO and RRO, is it necessary two new class?

Is it possible that to reuse the ERO and RRO in this= way that:

When ERO/RRO are following after Sub LSP object, the= n they can be treated as SERO/SRRO for that Sub LSP?

 

Just wondering your consideration on this part. = ; Thanks.

 

BR.

Lei Chen

 

 

--_000_9C056CD6D9A83C479E43BCBDAF1C416C1DF53803ESGSCMB103erics_-- From jiangyuanlong@huawei.com Wed Sep 11 01:14:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCBA21F9F9B for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:14:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6EGuhXVJ5+pk for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CEC21F9F62 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AXF05544; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:14:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:14:06 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA409-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.41) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:14:14 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.229]) by SZXEMA409-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.41]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:14:09 +0800 From: Jiangyuanlong To: Ross Callon , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 Thread-Index: AQHOqlE25/NZ7B71AkmyDCLp48kexJnAONyg Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:14:09 +0000 Message-ID: <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A6ADC58@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.76.118] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "loa@mail01.huawei.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:14:25 -0000 Support. From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ros= s Callon Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:02 AM To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; loa@mail01.huawei.com Subject: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 as an MPLS working group document. =A0 Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). =A0 This poll will end September 20, 2013. =A0 Thanks, Ross =A0 From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Sep 11 01:23:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3C211E818A; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:23:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.559 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.559 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9ozlPo1n0tXl; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB59911E8124; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:23:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130911082310.333.31378.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:23:10 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-rhd-mpls-tp-psc-sd-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:23:23 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Gro= up of the IETF. Title : Supporting Signal Degrade in PSC Linear Protection Author(s) : Jeong-dong Ryoo Huub van Helvoort Alessandro D'Alessandro Filename : draft-rhd-mpls-tp-psc-sd-01.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2013-09-11 Abstract: This document optionally updates [RFC6378], "MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Linear Protection", to support protection against signal degrade (SD) in an effort to satisfy the ITU-T's protection switching requirements. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rhd-mpls-tp-psc-sd There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rhd-mpls-tp-psc-sd-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-rhd-mpls-tp-psc-sd-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From xuxiaohu@huawei.com Wed Sep 11 01:43:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF12A11E8120 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:43:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.68 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.68 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.919, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b7++V9xPc+Y5 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED58411E8124 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AXF08802; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:43:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:42:39 +0100 Received: from NKGEML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.37) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:42:49 +0100 Received: from NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.24]) by nkgeml406-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.37]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:42:43 +0800 From: Xuxiaohu To: Ross Callon , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 Thread-Index: AQHOqlE25/NZ7B71AkmyDCLp48kexJnAONyggAAH0PA= Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:42:42 +0000 Message-ID: <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0820E748@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> References: <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A6ADC58@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68B5A6ADC58@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.98.130] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "loa@mail01.huawei.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:43:16 -0000 Support. Xiaohu > From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of R= oss > Callon > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:02 AM > To: mpls@ietf.org > Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; loa@mail01.huawei.com > Subject: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-= 02 >=20 > This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting > draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 > as an MPLS working group document. >=20 > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working > group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). >=20 > This poll will end September 20, 2013. >=20 > Thanks, Ross >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From loa@pi.nu Wed Sep 11 05:11:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294B721F91AB for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 05:11:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qg7lQEdSW7x9 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 05:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A6321F9D70 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 05:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.61] (81-229-83-119-no65.business.telia.com [81.229.83.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 070541802038; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:11:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <52305DF8.2040701@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:11:36 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Chen C References: <9C056CD6D9A83C479E43BCBDAF1C416C1DF53803@ESGSCMB103.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <9C056CD6D9A83C479E43BCBDAF1C416C1DF53803@ESGSCMB103.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "" , "" , "" , "draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] Mail regarding RFC4875 (draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp ) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:11:44 -0000 Charles, Quick check. Are you pointing to something you think is not working or just an alternative way of doing things? /Loa On 2013-09-11 08:46, Charles Chen C wrote: > Hi, Dear authors, > > Sorry to disturb you and I have a question about the new class SERO and > SRRO in RFC4875. > > Since the content of these two objects are the same as ERO and RRO, is > it necessary two new class? > > Is it possible that to reuse the ERO and RRO in this way that: > > When ERO/RRO are following after Sub LSP object, then they can be > treated as SERO/SRRO for that Sub LSP? > > Just wondering your consideration on this part. Thanks. > > BR. > > Lei Chen > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org Wed Sep 11 05:20:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A3611E8229 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 05:20:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.559 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.559 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8LQvy4NKQqD6 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 05:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B0E11E822F for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 05:20:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130911122005.9193.34771.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 05:20:05 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Subject: [mpls] Milestones changed for mpls WG X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:20:05 -0000 URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ From loa@pi.nu Wed Sep 11 05:30:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6BF11E820D for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 05:30:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wVO79sAA3zNz for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 05:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB22D11E823D for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 05:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.61] (81-229-83-119-no65.business.telia.com [81.229.83.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B47041802038; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:29:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5230623E.2080300@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:29:50 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org, "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" References: <20130911122005.9193.34771.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20130911122005.9193.34771.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [mpls] Milestones changed for mpls WG X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:30:19 -0000 Working Group, this was not very informative :). The data tracker automatically sends out a mail when a milestone is changed or added. However, when a wg chair adds a milestone this is depending that it is approved by the AD and is not visible until approved. What I did was adding the milestone for draft-ietf-mpls-tp-p2mp- framework that for some reason were missing. The date is set to Jan 2014. /Loa On 2013-09-11 14:20, IETF Secretariat wrote: > > > URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Sep 11 06:31:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CCB11E826D; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:31:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4t9Cnkk+ryXK; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E092B11E819E; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:31:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130911133135.21831.36697.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:31:35 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-osborne-mpls-psc-updates-02.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:31:36 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Gro= up of the IETF. Title : Updates to PSC Author(s) : Eric Osborne Filename : draft-osborne-mpls-psc-updates-02.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2013-09-11 Abstract: This document contains four updates to RFC6378, "MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Linear Protection". Two of them correct existing behavior. The third clears up a behavior which was not explained in the RFC, and the fourth adds rules around handling capabilities mismatches. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-osborne-mpls-psc-updates There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-osborne-mpls-psc-updates-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-osborne-mpls-psc-updates-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From loa@pi.nu Wed Sep 11 06:44:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A4B11E816D for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:44:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 633k7TUC0H88 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB2511E8171 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.133] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 435EE18014F6; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:44:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <523073C6.2000304@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:44:38 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" , "draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-groups@tools.ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-group X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:44:45 -0000 Working Group, The authors of draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-group has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be polled to see if we consensus to make it a working group draft. Before starting the wg poll we want to run an IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) ? -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From eosborne@cisco.com Wed Sep 11 07:05:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B6011E816D for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V-SeiEiKlmw8 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF0E11E8265 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:05:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1908; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1378908331; x=1380117931; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=jvJkXQ9CuwosCVGmvunY3E0MmyhBbNrI8Aog3Ksp7kk=; b=SExp8JfL/iGQZnfBVK4EhoMF6rLgT0rE+HMGInfr+UwP3xV4BlrJ41WI nv5sCRWIAOHoveymJSeiXM4q57AZJb+AAjW2QMt0JKCqErFI8MOTuGAlB ro1G0fCbc27LoOpky5XdsMAH+w+Lcc61qig2ZhI25HsYuysNdUNWVGUrj g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFAOd3MFKtJXG//2dsb2JhbABbgweBCsJggRwWdIIlAQEBAwE6MQMGEQICAgEIEQQBAQsUCQcbFxQJCAIEARIIh3QGxC0Ejh0QgQg4BoMXgQADqWuDIoFxOQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.90,884,1371081600"; d="scan'208";a="258364063" Received: from rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com ([173.37.113.191]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Sep 2013 14:05:30 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com [173.37.183.84]) by rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r8BE5SNo001359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:05:29 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.9.162]) by xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([173.37.183.84]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:05:29 -0500 From: "Eric Osborne (eosborne)" To: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" , "draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-groups@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR poll on draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-group Thread-Index: AQHOrvUWZ+XOFjj99E6AuqKVaa+FkpnAkdxQ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:05:28 +0000 Message-ID: <20ECF67871905846A80F77F8F4A275721036DF27@xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com> References: <523073C6.2000304@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <523073C6.2000304@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.98.66.71] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-group X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:05:43 -0000 Hi Loa- > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp? No. :) I am also not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-osborne-mpls-extended-= admin-group. eric > -----Original Message----- > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu] > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:45 AM > To: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; VIGOUREUX, MARTIN > (MARTIN); draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-groups@tools.ietf.org > Subject: IPR poll on draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-group >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > The authors of draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-group has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be polled to see if > we consensus to make it a working group draft. >=20 > Before starting the wg poll we want to run an IPR poll. >=20 > This mail starts that IPR poll. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 >=20 > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) ? >=20 > -- >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Sep 11 07:31:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F6921E8115; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:31:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.563 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.563 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XARdVRs5kdUl; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A593B21E80D6; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:31:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130911143154.15763.31091.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:31:54 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-multipath-use-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:31:55 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Gro= up of the IETF. Title : Use of Multipath with MPLS-TP and MPLS Author(s) : Curtis Villamizar Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-multipath-use-01.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2013-09-11 Abstract: Many MPLS implementations have supported multipath techniques and many MPLS deployments have used multipath techniques, particularly in very high bandwidth applications, such as provider IP/MPLS core networks. MPLS-TP has strongly discouraged the use of multipath techniques. Some degradation of MPLS-TP OAM performance cannot be avoided when operating over many types of multipath implementations. Using MPLS Entropy label, MPLS LSPs can be carried over multipath links while also providing a fully MPLS-TP compliant server layer for MPLS-TP LSPs. This document describes the means of supporting MPLS as a server layer for MPLS-TP. The use of MPLS-TP LSPs as a server layer for MPLS LSPs is also discussed. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-multipath-use There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-multipath-use-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-multipath-use-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From curtis@ipv6.occnc.com Wed Sep 11 08:17:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC85F11E8288 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:17:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jw0SWvJf5GjK for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway1.orleans.occnc.com (unknown [173.9.106.132]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6767311E8269 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harbor1.ipv6.occnc.com (harbor1.ipv6.occnc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1545::2:819]) (authenticated bits=0) by gateway1.orleans.occnc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r8BFFIhD005920; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:15:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from curtis@ipv6.occnc.com) Message-Id: <201309111515.r8BFFIhD005920@gateway1.orleans.occnc.com> To: mpls@ietf.org From: Curtis Villamizar Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:15:18 -0400 Subject: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-multipath-use-01 (MPLS-TP and MPLS Multipath) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: curtis@ipv6.occnc.com List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:17:18 -0000 The draft draft-ietf-mpls-multipath-use-01, "Use of Multipath with MPLS-TP and MPLS" (short title "MPLS-TP and MPLS Multipath") was just submitted. It is little changed from the 00. This draft was presented at IETF-86. The minutes entry reads: draft-ietf-mpls-multipath-use-00 Curtis, 10 min George: did you mention OAM? If you use EL, OAM might not follow data. Curtis: depends on where you place the GAL. If you do not hash on it then it will follow data. George: suggesting to use same EL for all types of traffic? Curtis: yes, everything on that LSP would have same stack George: should add clarification Curtis: ok Loa: how many have read? [missed] The following change was made to address George's request for clarification (xml version). + + Since the Entropy Label Indicator and Entropy Label are + always placed above the GAL in the stack, the presense of + GAL will not affect the selection of a component link as + long as the LSR does not hash on the label stack entries + below the Entropy Label. Also draft-ietf-mpls-tp-security-framework has become RFC6941 and the references were updated. No presentation was given at IETF-87. The comments at prior IETF (85 and 86) were positive as well as the MPLS-RT review comments. It is informational and mostly documents a usage of RFC6970 (ELI/EL) to carry MPLS-TP client LSP within MPLS server LSP, where the MPLS server LSP are carried over multipath supporting EL. Please provide comments on this draft. In the absense of any further comments and since prior comments have been positive, I would like to see this go to WGLC. Curtis ------- Forwarded Message From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Message-ID: <20130911143154.15763.31091.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:31:54 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-multipath-use-01.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF. Title : Use of Multipath with MPLS-TP and MPLS Author(s) : Curtis Villamizar Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-multipath-use-01.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2013-09-11 Abstract: Many MPLS implementations have supported multipath techniques and many MPLS deployments have used multipath techniques, particularly in very high bandwidth applications, such as provider IP/MPLS core networks. MPLS-TP has strongly discouraged the use of multipath techniques. Some degradation of MPLS-TP OAM performance cannot be avoided when operating over many types of multipath implementations. Using MPLS Entropy label, MPLS LSPs can be carried over multipath links while also providing a fully MPLS-TP compliant server layer for MPLS-TP LSPs. This document describes the means of supporting MPLS as a server layer for MPLS-TP. The use of MPLS-TP LSPs as a server layer for MPLS LSPs is also discussed. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-multipath-use There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-multipath-use-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mpls-multipath-use-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls ------- End of Forwarded Message From rcallon@juniper.net Wed Sep 11 11:51:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B8A11E820C for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:51:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.889 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.889 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.750, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jDRG5F+6q6dh for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BF111E80D7 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 18:51:12 -0000 Working Group, The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp have told the working group chairs that the draft is ready for working group last call. We did an IPR poll for this document when it was an individual draft, but have not done an IPR poll on the working group document.=20 This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The=20 document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Ross (as MPLS WG co-chair)=20 From lucy.yong@huawei.com Wed Sep 11 12:01:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D9811E81F5 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:01:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.145 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.145 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.454, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U3MYhyeNk-K5 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7728C21E80EB for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AVH74859; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:00:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:00:19 +0100 Received: from DFWEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:00:30 +0100 Received: from DFWEML509-MBB.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.225]) by dfweml408-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.134]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:00:21 -0700 From: Lucy yong To: Ross Callon , "mpls@ietf.org" , Lizhenbin , Xuxiaohu , "Nischal Sheth" , "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" , "fanyb@gsta.com" Thread-Topic: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp Thread-Index: AQHOrx/Z+euec1LevE6NNxRJbZrUT5nA46sQ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:00:21 +0000 Message-ID: <2691CE0099834E4A9C5044EEC662BB9D452C5D2C@dfweml509-mbb.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.147.126] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:01:39 -0000 I am not aware of an IPR relevant to this draft. Lucy -----Original Message----- From: Ross Callon [mailto:rcallon@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:51 PM To: mpls@ietf.org; Lizhenbin; Xuxiaohu; Nischal Sheth; Lucy yong; Carlos Pi= gnataro (cpignata); fanyb@gsta.com Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; Martin Vigoureux Subject: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp Working Group, The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp have told the working group chairs th= at the draft is ready for working group last call. We did an IPR poll for t= his document when it was an individual draft, but have not done an IPR poll= on the working group document.=20 This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to thi= s email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *Th= e response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document will= not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each= author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or con= tributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR t= hat has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. 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We did an IPR poll for this document when > it was an individual draft, but have not done an IPR poll > on the working group document.=20 >=20 > This mail starts that IPR poll. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The=20 > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 > Thanks, Ross > (as MPLS WG co-chair)=20 >=20 From cpignata@cisco.com Wed Sep 11 16:45:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D72C21E80EC for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:45:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x3rq-CAzOajH for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D6E21E80F5 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:45:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2395; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1378943122; x=1380152722; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=bw0Z2061KXqKV5r4yEADU5kC/yqBSyUkxF/A6X1KkNs=; b=TK6FT7ExnZjFsLSe68CN0MSQqYMWl8cu4zBqDX7jUqDnji+twMK/rGnJ ihntnI74jqijzZDgXtKX7DsE1MWAS/1xVAGnq7iKz4WZ3OWH1cthTfMqL Pe7l6wYy9AQiuFTBPBrH6ya9VCPNGyPNZOj/OZtg6SKCLSa/oCJtquOEp M=; X-Files: signature.asc : 203 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFACj/MFKtJXG9/2dsb2JhbABbgwc4UsAFgR0WdIIlAQEBAwFuBgUFCwIBCA4UJDIlAgQOBQgBBYduBgy/SI4hEIEIMQIFgx2BAAOQJYEumBiDIoFxOQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.90,887,1371081600"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="258596068" Received: from rcdn-core2-2.cisco.com ([173.37.113.189]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Sep 2013 23:45:22 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com [173.37.183.85]) by rcdn-core2-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r8BNjLRd023459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:45:22 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([169.254.5.15]) by xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com ([173.37.183.85]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 18:45:21 -0500 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: Ross Callon Thread-Topic: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp Thread-Index: AQHOrx/Z+euec1LevE6NNxRJbZrUT5nBh4aA Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:45:21 +0000 Message-ID: <95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED325F2B3A2@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.82.225.150] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DEAF7DCE-0B1F-40DC-AEBF-7D2CF27F33C5"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "fanyb@gsta.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:45:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DEAF7DCE-0B1F-40DC-AEBF-7D2CF27F33C5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ross, I am aware of the IPR disclosed for draft-xu-mpls-in-udp, as shared with = the WG at: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mpls/current/msg09191.html https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/ And assume transitive character when the document became a WG item (same = doc, same content, different filename). I have asked Cisco legal to = re-submit that disclosure for draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp. Thanks, -- Carlos. On Sep 11, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Ross Callon wrote: > Working Group, >=20 > The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp have told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready for working > group last call. We did an IPR poll for this document when > it was an individual draft, but have not done an IPR poll > on the working group document.=20 >=20 > This mail starts that IPR poll. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond = to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The=20= > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author = or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of = any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 > Thanks, Ross > (as MPLS WG co-chair)=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_DEAF7DCE-0B1F-40DC-AEBF-7D2CF27F33C5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrCLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvje47RcMgg+5Fohata+Uttk6aw2Tx b+4cZovvl5awWNxaupLVgdVjyZKfTB47Nj9g9Zg1vY3N48vlz2wBLFFcNimpOZllqUX6dglc Gd+WNjIVNPJU/Pxyk6mBcRZnFyMnh4SAicSVKwsYIWwxiQv31rN1MXJxCAkcZpS4tPYMO4Sz hFFi3ok/YFVsAkYST+buYAKxRQRkJa5t+wlmMwv8YJTYfT8QxBYWcJZ4vXE7VI2LxK/Zh6Bs K4l1E1eC2SwCqhLL1vWyg9i8Ar4Ss788Ze5i5ABaliFx/JsNSJgTqGTzrh5mEJsR6Ljvp9ZA rRKXuPVkPhPE0QISS/acZ4awRSVePv7HCmErSXzt38QKUa8jsWD3JzYIW1ti2cLXzBBrBSVO znzCMoFRbBaSsbOQtMxC0jILScsCRpZVjOy5iZk56eWGmxiBMXVwy2/dHYynzokcYpTmYFES 592kdyZQSCA9sSQ1OzW1ILUovqg0J7X4ECMTB6dUA6NG9ErPi+/37zq9OzXu4I54F1X72PLd Ya77VBcc+L9+qau934aU/clr055fkX/m93W+T5HtjSqniuz4+7e6M6X2hNpw7syYG+O/nf3R BGklZbHGCQyPWPaJHq/4vOj/1hznq8HnM60skhYdebfg9D/RP9Lv9nKVBhz6Ha3LJNSS6S9e cm5vv5ISS3FGoqEWc1FxIgA7ly8ddwIAAA== Cc: "" , "" , "" , "draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] Mail regarding RFC4875 (draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp ) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 02:07:58 -0000 Hi, Loa, Thanks for your response. There is no things not working. =20 It's just a query to understand the reason to define the new classes while = the old ones also seems can be reused. And to understand whether there is some potential rule about this which I h= ave not been aware of. BR. Charles -----Original Message----- From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:12 PM To: Charles Chen C Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp@tools.ietf.org; ; ; Subject: Re: Mail regarding RFC4875 (draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-te-p2mp ) Charles, Quick check. Are you pointing to something you think is not working or just= an alternative way of doing things? /Loa On 2013-09-11 08:46, Charles Chen C wrote: > Hi, Dear authors, > > Sorry to disturb you and I have a question about the new class SERO=20 > and SRRO in RFC4875. > > Since the content of these two objects are the same as ERO and RRO, is=20 > it necessary two new class? > > Is it possible that to reuse the ERO and RRO in this way that: > > When ERO/RRO are following after Sub LSP object, then they can be=20 > treated as SERO/SRRO for that Sub LSP? > > Just wondering your consideration on this part. Thanks. > > BR. > > Lei Chen > --=20 Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From Frederic.Jounay@orange.ch Thu Sep 12 01:24:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8526A21F9FB1 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 01:24:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sbWgJTLJXQwQ for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 01:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp20.eds.ch (smtp20.eds.ch [195.160.148.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A694021E8153 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 01:24:03 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c3a09428-b7fac6d000000f60-d7-52317a1f2342 Received: from chcrochs054.orange.ch (Unknown_Domain [204.104.149.84]) (using TLS with cipher RC4-MD5 (RC4-MD5/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp20.eds.ch () with SMTP id F5.98.03936.02A71325; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:24:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from CHCROCHC051.orange.ch ([fe80:0000:0000:0000:704b:3a68:12.14.247.83]) by chcrochs054.orange.ch ([172.19.166.54]) with mapi; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:23:59 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jounay_Fr=E9d=E9ric?= To: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:23:58 +0200 Thread-Topic: Correction: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp Thread-Index: Ac6ssEpGm3dg3MjOSsOAZ2/LclO78gC4RUMw Message-ID: <78046FD1C8FE0345AFBC11640A8DF6E201831E09199C@CHCROCHC051.orange.ch> References: <522CA15F.4020907@pi.nu> <522CA561.1040509@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <522CA561.1040509@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFuplkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42I5kzE1RFehyjDIYM9RHoul03pZLf7NncNs cWfXF1aL75eWsFjcWrqS1YHVo/XZXlaPJUt+MnnMmt7G5vHl8me2AJYoLpuU1JzMstQifbsE roye67uZC+7KV8zY8J+pgXGiRBcjJ4eEgInEqfajTBC2mMSFe+vZuhi5OIQEWpgkNqyexgTh rGWU6Py5gw2kik3ATWLJlalgCRGBOUwS598eA0uwCKhKzOj9yAxiCwvYSew6vIcdxBYRsJc4 8HsnK4RtJDHjzmGgZg4OXoEAib0/MkBMIQFbiZlt9SAVnEBTXvZ1glUzAh30/dQasOOYBcQl bj2ZD3WogMSSPeeZIWxRiZeP/0HVi0rcaV/PCFGvJ3Fj6hQ2CFtbYtnC12D1vAKCEidnPmGZ wCg6C8nYWUhaZiFpmYWkZQEjyypG3uLckgIjA73UlGK95IxNjMBIOrxgisYOxmWXzA8xCnAw KvHwds4yCBJiTSwrrsw9xCjBwawkwhtvbhgkxJuSWFmVWpQfX1Sak1p8iFGag0VJnDdwgmqQ kEB6YklqdmpqQWoRTJaJg1OqgVHg952L6sLP3lfNfcttef9ot8P0vy9mqZm6c6WxxqmsZeIM OxgfnFp+U+P19R1bjhyKkue88CBkn6EgYx7TW7ls5+zrxhbS8j0y2eaimjLTGzJafoSv9zX6 qK7Ox1Cy//HcoEyPmv2GOyx9bvbeUrrMsCW1+Hvgc4Z/5zm2p3gr3ju0qLe/TImlOCPRUIu5 qDgRAMklPuegAgAA Subject: Re: [mpls] Correction: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:24:11 -0000 Hi, I'm not aware of any patent related to this draft BR, Fred -----Original Message----- From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]=20 Sent: Sunday, 08 September 2013 18:27 To: mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp@tools.ietf.org; mpls-chairs@to= ols.ietf.org; VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN) Subject: Correction: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp Working Group, Note: I'd a cut 'n paste error in the previous mail, here is the corrected = info: The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. We did an IPR poll for this document just before accepting it as a working group document. However that was over a year ago and before starting the wg last call we will do and IPR poll and a working group chair review. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to Working Group, The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft earlier. Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) ? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The documents will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft earlier. Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The documents will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) --=20 Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From lizhenbin@huawei.com Thu Sep 12 01:30:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E48D21E8175 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 01:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.788 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.788 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JUEdRUN4c+jZ for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 01:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3B321E8170 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Working Group, This is to start Working Group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt Please send your comments to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf= .org). Please send both technical comments, and (if you are happy with the documen= t as is) also send indications of support. There is one IPR claim that applies to this draft, which can be seen at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/ The coauthors and contributor have indicated that they don't know of any ot= her IPR applicable to this draft. If anyone else in the working group is aware = of IPR claims against this draft, the time to disclose that is now. This working group last call will end on September 27, 2013. Ross for the wg co-chairs --_000_98952a55996f40da8cbcb663561f580bBLUPR05MB070namprd05pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Working Group,

 

This is to start Working Group last cal= l on  draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt

 

Please send your comments to the mpls w= orking group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

 

Please send both technical comments, an= d (if you are happy with the document as is)

also send indications of support.<= /o:p>

 

There is one IPR claim that applies to = this draft, which can be seen at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/i= pr/1941/

 

The coauthors and contributor have indi= cated that they don’t know of any other

IPR applicable to this draft. If anyone= else in the working group is aware of IPR

claims against this draft, the time to = disclose that is now.

 

This working group last call will end o= n September 27, 2013.

 

Ross

for the wg co-chairs<= /p>

 <= /p>

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Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:21:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.557 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N3ussP+PpD0L; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB8711E821E; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:21:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130912182104.7541.43446.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:21:04 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path-04.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:21:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Gro= up of the IETF. Title : Performance-based Path Selection for Explicitly Routed L= SPs using TE Metric Extensions Author(s) : Alia Atlas John Drake Spencer Giacalone Dave Ward Stefano Previdi Clarence Filsfils Filename : draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path-04.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2013-09-12 Abstract: In certain networks, it is critical to consider network performance criteria when selecting the path for an explicitly routed RSVP-TE LSP. Such performance criteria can include latency, jitter, and loss or other indications such as the conformance to link performance objectives and non-RSVP TE traffic load. This specification uses network performance data, such as is advertised via the OSPF and ISIS TE metric extensions (defined outside the scope of this document) to perform such path selections. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From loa@pi.nu Fri Sep 13 00:01:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A13821E809F for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:01:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JsCBh0NM4BEA for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBF821E808D for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [109.58.205.99] (109.58.205.99.bredband.tre.se [109.58.205.99]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CAAE918033E4; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:00:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5232B821.6050905@pi.nu> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:00:49 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" , draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 07:01:01 -0000 Working Group, The authors of draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be polled to see if we consensus to make it a working group draft. Before starting the wg poll we want to run an IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te- express-path? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org Fri Sep 13 00:13:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1C321F9C06 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:13:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.049, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JMjHKqJ6f3Lw for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D71721F9C0D for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:13:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130913071327.19110.62767.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:13:27 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Subject: [mpls] Milestones changed for mpls WG X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 07:13:28 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map for publication", resolved as "Done". URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ From ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org Fri Sep 13 00:42:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E051E21E8051 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:42:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4qD1sWHQT1iT for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC9321E8097 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:42:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130913074236.1381.24577.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:42:36 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Subject: [mpls] Milestones changed for mpls WG X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 07:42:37 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit draft-ietf-mpls-targeted-mldp for publication", resolved as "Done". URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ From akatlas@gmail.com Fri Sep 13 05:20:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B8011E81D7 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:20:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.766 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.766 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.833, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8t2ZpKKHUNsO for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x22a.google.com (mail-ie0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22a]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F34C11E8186 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id x13so2353630ief.15 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:20:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=CofdORpUwE4eeeXsA8dfnuQrprwCDTyAmFB14pKomXg=; b=DCVHui/3l/mzoLs1rF9l1LrbLLwv5icEbitgiWJZxSc9vYjQvhpK4YgjsX6sdjZ6dR 97194YNYjsasyid98AWNaGL4WUmhHgX3QwgTm9x8zqdoD2mh/DXkimm/xlt2h4Ul10jv MEofDePE8tfMnQLwY6YWBDtrLSd2eNac7r8s+Eekvhjq2WG+OkIc9atpjsWp8tLsNC/X DYhDlJBcAYbgJ602LEZw8VLqJ+oNhnby9oOztSkqPzek2IS4g23s+61T09K5XUq/DRw3 43jMYKInA/PuG4cXcmM4Z0jpC1gYQOase7O+aMZ+tRllnpJpaxt8o67/r8keNMXcCpc9 dwRA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.22.105 with SMTP id c9mr1224992igf.36.1379074809042; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.13.145 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:20:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5232B821.6050905@pi.nu> References: <5232B821.6050905@pi.nu> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:20:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: Loa Andersson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10cd831cb30604e642e087 Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:20:10 -0000 --047d7b10cd831cb30604e642e087 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > The authors of draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-**path has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be polled to see if > we consensus to make it a working group draft. > > Before starting the wg poll we want to run an IPR poll. > > This mail starts that IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te- > express-path? > I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path. Alia > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > ______________________________**_________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/mpls > --047d7b10cd831cb30604e642e087 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu&g= t; wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Working Group,

The authors of =A0draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path has told the
working group chairs that the draft is ready to be polled to see if
we consensus to make it a working group draft.

Before starting the wg poll we want to run an IPR poll.

This mail starts that IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-
express-path?

I am not aware of any IPR= that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path.

Alia=A0

=A0
If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response
has been received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.


Thanks, Loa
(as MPLS WG co-chair)
--


Loa Andersson =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
Senior MPLS Expert =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0loa@pi.nu
Huawei Technologies (consultant) =A0 =A0 phone: +46 739 81 21 64
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--047d7b10cd831cb30604e642e087-- From akatlas@gmail.com Fri Sep 13 10:28:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A623A11E816D for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:28:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.049, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ivksgTFlEHUw for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x232.google.com (mail-ie0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::232]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7BC11E80FC for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id to1so3169591ieb.37 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:28:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HBRLJc/HUcGWRRwPsOnFcR//Jcm9/eHTW1UjiaJeEWs=; b=FZfkX9xxJzI+/y63MThPge9vTVzTBiu1LqCVIa5nC0cXgyqZ0GV22e82Yw6U6UcnGz KYOUcCpc9jsEC/RD/qfGr1NoLzpLqUEw2FMk111yHuVxgLflCSQ/oSXCbC1f5Qq9NyQ1 YsRxuwCR3gXWxprqHDYNMHnG886nZgt9x6vQvggpm5YZYgLqZxBGcIV0t3y1jArw+imx VtKy9+a9DtuD66mX9uX9xBxkptOMSW7ZCCxTyyNUz7jtdTwWevUZSr6nAzhg0T0q57+4 beY/u3KUcZOTv3x2GRBFiJcMVwIJOOT5qPObMlBgftYYvDT71ZKfnXGWNDOPxwijfLfS zoPg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.102.99 with SMTP id fn3mr1715051igb.5.1379093333393; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.13.145 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:28:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:28:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: "mpls@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ffbae3f3fdaee04e6473038 Subject: [mpls] Fwd: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-requirement-11 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 17:28:54 -0000 --e89a8ffbae3f3fdaee04e6473038 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For those who may be interested in commenting and not on the RTGWG mailing list. Alia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alia Atlas Date: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-requirement-11 To: "rtgwg@ietf.org" This is to start a second Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-requirement-11. As you may recall, we successfully completed a WGLC on draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-requirement-10. After that, there was concern about the use of ITU terminology (composite-link and NPO) where the draft was not actually using the exact meaning specified by the ITU. Therefore, it was decided to return the draft to the WG for a quick terminology update (and also to address some other review comments). This WGLC will end on September 30. Thanks, Alia --e89a8ffbae3f3fdaee04e6473038 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--e89a8ffbae3f3fdaee04e6473038-- From sriganeshkini@gmail.com Fri Sep 13 11:10:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425D511E816D for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.144 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.144 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.833, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a39Wc0bQLhss for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x22b.google.com (mail-pa0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22b]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B6211E8166 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id hz10so2836203pad.16 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:10:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=v84taJpOQ4O5iS7T5utFHjdFHTjQBZ5IiUjXkT5XCLc=; b=dbjuk4olDHfy8ZSifQ52K/gR3VIJrdZMK+xINE4JTPXwkYG5xlDI5bI37VNGC8E+Ah 32MX2Ev+uWfhLY3ch7/Nrc8vawDmyZn79d3ne5vGiYclKuPJP0vYl5MeV64EhOCvCUkU 9HQhxzfDhZI1N9ORdS76hvUOdaJmdIMnj2JV+7eV67Oq3X0EMxsvGvsI9Q1LrBqyDK4o R0mIzNCymE+IlpCb5IDXse/OPEInQHu+PhWoqn2nt9OF2ra+tVXxY/tL3PC1c9fhm+lk oz+owgCF5njz7hnnkUEopHCwWNoVPs0Cx8F6xWT961Qn+MJnhOMyQNzh6BCZ0mLUNy1S MKRA== X-Received: by 10.68.220.1 with SMTP id ps1mr14881007pbc.30.1379095828223; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:10:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sriganeshkini@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.13.129 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:09:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5232B821.6050905@pi.nu> References: <5232B821.6050905@pi.nu> From: Sriganesh Kini Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:09:58 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: afySH0cy-Y8le3RCji2C0gMWxAM Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1ca78f3e65c04e647c462 Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:10:29 -0000 --e89a8ff1ca78f3e65c04e647c462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Support making this a WG doc. - Sri On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > The authors of draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-**path has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be polled to see if > we consensus to make it a working group draft. > > Before starting the wg poll we want to run an IPR poll. > > This mail starts that IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te- > express-path? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > ______________________________**_________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/mpls > --e89a8ff1ca78f3e65c04e647c462 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support making this a WG doc.

- Sri


On Fri, Sep= 13, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group,

The authors of =C2=A0draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be polled to see if
we consensus to make it a working group draft.

Before starting the wg poll we want to run an IPR poll.

This mail starts that IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-
express-path?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response
has been received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.


Thanks, Loa
(as MPLS WG co-chair)
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--e89a8ff1ca78f3e65c04e647c462-- From sprevidi@cisco.com Fri Sep 13 11:23:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C909F11E81D5 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:22:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.406 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.406 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.193, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EEGeK3HyTJVL for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB7211E81B8 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:22:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1505; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1379096548; x=1380306148; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=LjfkK7IDYnTU5Dz2zTEYCk7VBOp+gxpw/vxc2zeSDiU=; b=c0bm7SaUG5C+O6HuAG2MlcZIFZ7PoEnq0Xm3wUbZdA1sjKY7kDT+vE6S 7dp+7AXD2OdJFaTE+fn7Yj65n+AlEbLwGdODj62qJagNlCRv/Y26qpqCI G65eEM/mM9EQKIAOr2UIY4jrW1eIhprQcOd61iIqrRvV9QNyHuH8Z/v38 o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFAFpXM1KtJV2Z/2dsb2JhbABbgweBCsB1gRwWdIIlAQEBAwFrAwYFBQkCAgEIIiQbFyUCBA4FCId1BrlFBI4kEIEIMQeDHoEAA4kAoG6DJIFxOQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.90,899,1371081600"; d="scan'208";a="259474895" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Sep 2013 18:22:27 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x15.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x15.cisco.com [173.37.183.89]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r8DIMREP017302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:22:27 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.197]) by xhc-rcd-x15.cisco.com ([173.37.183.89]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:22:27 -0500 From: "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" To: Loa Andersson Thread-Topic: IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path Thread-Index: AQHOsE8BkTG/9L+uqk+Y2SdcCvtYSpnET5KA Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:22:26 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5232B821.6050905@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <5232B821.6050905@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.169.242] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <56D79A23443D0D4DAC25D3F09EEF506B@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:23:25 -0000 On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, >=20 > The authors of draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be polled to see if > we consensus to make it a working group draft. >=20 > Before starting the wg poll we want to run an IPR poll. >=20 > This mail starts that IPR poll. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te- > express-path? yes.=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). it's in the process of being disclosed. Thanks. s. >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 >=20 > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) > --=20 >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Mon Sep 16 01:17:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A8D11E8239 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:17:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.129 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.129 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.471, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9qtohp9fYz9v for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B84B11E823F for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 00340B1E00B; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:08:52 -0700 (PDT) To: rahul@juniper.net, yakov@juniper.net, erosen@cisco.com, stbryant@cisco.com, adrian@olddog.co.uk, loa@pi.nu, swallow@cisco.com, rcallon@juniper.net From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20130916080853.00340B1E00B@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mpls@ietf.org, bestman0729@gmail.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [mpls] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5331 (3726) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:17:04 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5331, "MPLS Upstream Label Assignment and Context-Specific Label Space". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5331&eid=3726 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Liu Lin Section: 6 Original Text ------------- In the former case, an LSR distributes an upstream-assigned label binding for a FEC F if it is either (a) the ingress LSR for FEC F, or (b) if it has already received an upstream label binding for that FEC from its adjacent upstream LSR for FEC F, or (c) if it has received a request for a downstream label binding from its upstream adjacent LSR. Corrected Text -------------- In the former case, an LSR distributes an upstream-assigned label binding for a FEC F if it is either (a) the ingress LSR for FEC F, or (b) if it has already received an upstream label binding for that FEC from its adjacent upstream LSR for FEC F, or (c) if it has received a request for a upstream label binding from its downstream adjacent LSR. Notes ----- if a LSR has received a request for a downstream label binding from its upstream adjacent LSR, it will distributes a downstream-assigned label, not upstream-assigned-label. When a LSR has received a request for a upstream label binding from its downstream adjacent LSR, it may distributs a upstream-assigned label. Instructions: ------------- This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC5331 (draft-ietf-mpls-upstream-label-07) -------------------------------------- Title : MPLS Upstream Label Assignment and Context-Specific Label Space Publication Date : August 2008 Author(s) : R. Aggarwal, Y. Rekhter, E. Rosen Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Multiprotocol Label Switching Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From N.Leymann@telekom.de Mon Sep 16 02:37:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64B311E80FB for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:37:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AUxMNpTrn9YE for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail13.telekom.de (tcmail13.telekom.de [80.149.113.165]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7822F11E80F8 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from he111528.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.125.90.87]) by tcmail11.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 16 Sep 2013 11:36:29 +0200 Received: from HE111543.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.125.90.96]) by HE111528.EMEA1.CDS.T-INTERNAL.COM ([2002:7cd:5a57::7cd:5a57]) with mapi; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:36:04 +0200 From: To: , Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:36:28 +0200 Thread-Topic: Correction: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp Thread-Index: Ac6sv2pgryl3TJuVSzWuLUCGAMvWDAF+Beqw Message-ID: <9762ACF04FA26B4388476841256BDE02011AF1D39758@HE111543.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: <522CA15F.4020907@pi.nu> <522CA561.1040509@pi.nu> <7A839780-38B3-4295-847E-9E08116B78C4@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <7A839780-38B3-4295-847E-9E08116B78C4@cisco.com> Accept-Language: de-DE Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: mpls@ietf.org, mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] Correction: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:37:05 -0000 Hi Loa, I'm not aware of an IPR related to this draft. Regards Nic -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: IJsbrand Wijnands [mailto:ice@cisco.com]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 8. September 2013 20:15 An: Loa Andersson Cc: mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp@tools.ietf.org; mpls-chairs@to= ols.ietf.org; VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN) Betreff: Re: Correction: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp Hi Loa, I'm not aware of IPR. Thx, Ice. On 08 Sep 2013, at 18:27, Loa Andersson wrote: >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > Note: I'd a cut 'n paste error in the previous mail, here is the=20 > corrected info: >=20 > The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp has told the working group=20 > chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. We did=20 > an IPR poll for this document just before accepting it as a working=20 > group document. However that was over a year ago and before starting=20 > the wg last call we will do and IPR poll and a working group chair=20 > review. >=20 > This mail starts that IPR poll. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to Working Group, >=20 > The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp has told the working group=20 > chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. We=20 > have not poll for IPRs on this draft earlier. >=20 > Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. >=20 > This mail starts that IPR poll. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules=20 > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond=20 > to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any=20 > relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing=20 > list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a=20 > response has been received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author=20 > or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware=20 > of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules= . >=20 >=20 > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) ? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules=20 > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond=20 > to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any=20 > relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing=20 > list.* The documents will not advance to the next stage until a=20 > response has been received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author=20 > or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware=20 > of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules= . >=20 >=20 > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last=20 > called. We have not poll for IPRs on this draft earlier. >=20 > Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. >=20 > This mail starts that IPR poll. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules=20 > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond=20 > to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any=20 > relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing=20 > list.* The documents will not advance to the next stage until a=20 > response has been received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author=20 > or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware=20 > of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules= . >=20 >=20 > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) >=20 > -- >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From loa@pi.nu Mon Sep 16 04:56:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B457C21F99CE for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 04:56:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7-1coDgv1jZh for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 04:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEA121F9123 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 04:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.61] (81-229-83-119-no65.business.telia.com [81.229.83.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 87E8518033E4; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:56:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5236F1E0.5060502@pi.nu> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:56:16 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp@tools.ietf.org, "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:56:28 -0000 Working Group, this is to start a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp-01. Please send your comment to working group mailing lists (mpls@ietf.org). We have done IPR poll on this document prior to starting the wglc. All the authors responded to the IPR poll that they are not aware of any IPR's relating to this document other than the one IPR already disclosed while this document was an individual document. One author, the inventor and the company that disclosed the IPR says that it is still valid for the working group document. There are one IPRs disclosed against this document, however the IPR disclosure count is "4", this seems to be a bug and the correct count should be "1". The working group last call will end Friday September 30, 2913. /Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org Mon Sep 16 04:58:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C64A11E81EB for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 04:58:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kZlBKdkbfX9P for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 04:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2E311E820E for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 04:58:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130916115828.31543.23940.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 04:58:28 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Subject: [mpls] Milestones changed for mpls WG X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:58:29 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-multi-topology for publication", set due date to October 2013 from September 2013. Changed milestone "Submit draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp for publication", set due date to December 2013 from September 2013. URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ From N.Leymann@telekom.de Mon Sep 16 06:25:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA5811E823E for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 06:25:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tFza8HhfKMq1 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 06:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail43.telekom.de (tcmail43.telekom.de [80.149.113.173]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD6B21F88B7 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 06:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from he111296.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.125.90.14]) by tcmail41.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 16 Sep 2013 15:25:20 +0200 Received: from HE100014.emea1.cds.t-internal.com (10.125.65.197) by HE111296.EMEA1.CDS.T-INTERNAL.COM (10.125.90.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.298.1; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:25:20 +0200 Received: from HE111543.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.125.90.96]) by HE100014.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([2002:769:41c5::769:41c5]) with mapi; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:25:19 +0200 From: To: , , , , Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:25:18 +0200 Thread-Topic: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp Thread-Index: Ac6eRcuyExQ34EMoTVqaICx9OZaonwUmjypw Message-ID: <9762ACF04FA26B4388476841256BDE02011AF1D39A76@HE111543.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: <521475A6.7080002@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <521475A6.7080002@pi.nu> Accept-Language: de-DE Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:25:46 -0000 Hi, sorry for the delay.=20 I'm not aware of an IPR. Regards Nic -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Lo= a Andersson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. August 2013 10:09 An: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN); = draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org Betreff: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp Working Group, The authors of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp has told the working gro= up chairs that the draft is ready to be adopted as a working group document= . Before we start the mpls-rt review and the poll for adoption we will do an = IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-rekhter-mpls-pim- sm-over-ml= dp? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to thi= s email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *Th= e response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The documents wil= l not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from eac= h author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or con= tributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR t= hat has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) --=20 Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From jdrake@juniper.net Mon Sep 16 08:44:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9376711E8125 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:44:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.213 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.213 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.385, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uUk1Fk9H36hJ for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe006.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.186]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0FF11E80EA for ; 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Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BL2PRD0510HT002.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (157.56.240.101) by CH1EHSMHS007.bigfish.com (10.43.70.7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:43:53 +0000 Received: from BY2PR05MB143.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.39.153) by BL2PRD0510HT002.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.255.100.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.353.4; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:43:52 +0000 Received: from BY2PR05MB142.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.39.144) by BY2PR05MB143.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.39.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.775.9; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:43:50 +0000 Received: from BY2PR05MB142.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.12.132]) by BY2PR05MB142.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.12.132]) with mapi id 15.00.0775.005; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:43:49 +0000 From: John E Drake To: Alia Atlas , Loa Andersson Thread-Topic: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path Thread-Index: AQHOsE8SDAMTAgZKhkmFJzKAAa6mpJnDlo0AgATvukA= Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:43:48 +0000 Message-ID: <2c5ff0feece24270aee18887c5881e72@BY2PR05MB142.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <5232B821.6050905@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.129.232.2] x-forefront-prvs: 0971922F40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2c5ff0feece24270aee18887c5881e72BY2PR05MB142namprd05pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:44:09 -0000 --_000_2c5ff0feece24270aee18887c5881e72BY2PR05MB142namprd05pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path. Yours Irrespectively, John From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ali= a Atlas Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:20 AM To: Loa Andersson Cc: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-= path Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Loa Andersson = > wrote: Working Group, The authors of draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be polled to see if we consensus to make it a working group draft. Before starting the wg poll we want to run an IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te- express-path? I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path. Alia If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --_000_2c5ff0feece24270aee18887c5881e72BY2PR05MB142namprd05pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am not aware of any IPR= that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path.

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Yours Irrespectively,

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John

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From: mpls-b= ounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alia Atlas
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:20 AM
To: Loa Andersson
Cc: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-atlas-mpls-te-e= xpress-path
Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path

 

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Loa Andersson <<= a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">loa@pi.nu> wrote:=

Working Group,

The authors of  draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path has told the
working group chairs that the draft is ready to be polled to see if
we consensus to make it a working group draft.

Before starting the wg poll we want to run an IPR poll.

This mail starts that IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-
express-path?

 

I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atla= s-mpls-te-express-path.

 

Alia 

 

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance wit= h IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response
has been received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.


Thanks, Loa
(as MPLS WG co-chair)
--


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--_000_2c5ff0feece24270aee18887c5881e72BY2PR05MB142namprd05pro_-- From quintin.zhao@huawei.com Mon Sep 16 09:07:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B316111E82AB for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:07:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.102, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jOc2PfBO-VLp for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CBB11E82E0 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AXX14186; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:03:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:03:04 +0100 Received: from SJCEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.212.94.42) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:03:28 +0100 Received: from SJCEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.42]) by sjceml401-hub.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:03:24 -0700 From: Quintin zhao To: Ross Callon Thread-Topic: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHOr+sTSVCcEeP3aEWOJklSY4rapZnIi7ZQ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:03:23 +0000 Message-ID: <11208E03C9803E4CB4C3D898F153D6C030658500@sjceml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.99.194.2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:07:36 -0000 > To: Ross Callon , "mpls@ietf.org" , Xuxiaohu , Nischal Sheth , Lucy yong , "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" , "fanyb@gsta.com" Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] ??: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp Message-ID: <5A5B4DE12C0DAC44AF501 -----Original Message----- From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of mpl= s-request@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:03 PM To: mpls@ietf.org Subject: mpls Digest, Vol 113, Issue 21 If you have received this digest without all the individual message attachm= ents you will need to update your digest options in your list subscription.= To do so, go to=20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls Click the 'Unsubscribe or edit options' button, log in, and set "Get MIME o= r Plain Text Digests?" to MIME. You can set this option globally for all t= he list digests you receive at this point. Send mpls mailing list submissions to mpls@ietf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mpls-request@ietf.org You can reach the person managing the list at mpls-owner@ietf.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "R= e: Contents of mpls digest..." Today's Topics: 1. ??: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp (Lizhenbin) 2. MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt (Ross Callon) 3. FW: Publication has been requested for draft draft-ietf-mpls-tp-rosetta-stone (Ross Callon) 4. I-D Action: draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path-04.txt (internet-drafts@ietf.org) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:29:22 +0000 From: Lizhenbin =09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"gb2312" I am not aware of an IPR relevant to this draft. Zhenbin Li -----????----- ???: Ross Callon [mailto:rcallon@juniper.net] ????: 2013?9?12? 2:51 ???: mpls@ietf.org; Lizhenbin; Xuxiaohu; Nischal Sheth; Lucy yong; Carlos P= ignataro (cpignata); fanyb@gsta.com ??: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; Martin Vigoureux ??: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp Working Group, The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp have told the working group chairs th= at the draft is ready for working group last call. We did an IPR poll for t= his document when it was an individual draft, but have not done an IPR poll= on the working group document.=20 This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to thi= s email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *Th= e response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document will= not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each= author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or con= tributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR t= hat has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Ross (as MPLS WG co-chair)=20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 16:42:58 +0000 From: Ross Callon To: "mpls@ietf.org" Cc: "fanyb@gsta.com" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt Message-ID: <98952a55996f40da8cbcb663561f580b@BLUPR05MB070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> =09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Working Group, This is to start Working Group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt Please send your comments to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf= .org). Please send both technical comments, and (if you are happy with the documen= t as is) also send indications of support. There is one IPR claim that applies to this draft, which can be seen at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/ The coauthors and contributor have indicated that they don't know of any ot= her IPR applicable to this draft. If anyone else in the working group is aw= are of IPR claims against this draft, the time to disclose that is now. This working group last call will end on September 27, 2013. Ross for the wg co-chairs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Quintin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 16:42:58 +0000 From: Ross Callon To: "mpls@ietf.org" Cc: "fanyb@gsta.com" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt Message-ID: <98952a55996f40da8cbcb663561f580b@BLUPR05MB070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> =09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Working Group, This is to start Working Group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt Please send your comments to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf= .org). Please send both technical comments, and (if you are happy with the documen= t as is) also send indications of support. There is one IPR claim that applies to this draft, which can be seen at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/ The coauthors and contributor have indicated that they don't know of any ot= her IPR applicable to this draft. 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URL: ------------------------------ ******************* From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Mon Sep 16 17:30:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3D111E8250; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:30:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.136, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3HmCb0eqTxZL; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459BF11E8168; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130917003037.15602.6841.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:30:37 -0700 Cc: mpls mailing list , mpls chair , RFC Editor Subject: [mpls] Document Action: 'Per-Interface MIP Addressing Requirements and Design Considerations' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map-09.txt) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:30:37 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Per-Interface MIP Addressing Requirements and Design Considerations' (draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map-09.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Stewart Bryant and Adrian Farrel. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map/ Technical Summary The Framework for Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) within the MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) describes how Maintenance Entity Group Intermediate Points (MIPs) may be situated within network nodes at the incoming and outgoing interfaces. This document elaborates on important considerations for internal MIP addressing. More precisely it describes important restrictions for any mechanism that specifies a way of forming OAM messages so that they can be targeted at MIPs on incoming or MIPs on outgoing interfaces and forwarded correctly through the forwarding engine. Furthermore, the document includes considerations for node implementations where there is no distinction between the incoming and outgoing MIP. Working Group Summary This document has support in the working group and has been well reviewed. There has been a comparatively long discussion that in the end converged on a widely accepted definition of pre-interface MIPs and MEPs. Document Quality This an informational document, it discusses deployment of per- interface MIPs and MEPs. The document have had the review that is needed. No need for third party expert reviews. Personnel Loa Andersson is the document shepherd. Stewart Bryant is the responsible AD. RFC Editor Note OLD Deployments are strongly advised to use such mechanisms. NEW Deployments are therefore strongly advised to follow the security advice provided in RFC6371 and RFC6941. END From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Mon Sep 16 19:00:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C96F11E8280 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:00:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.169 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.169 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.431, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ODg6ZWrWzrXQ for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE8111E818A for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 46944B1E00B; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:54:29 -0700 (PDT) To: rahul@juniper.net, yakov@juniper.net, erosen@cisco.com, stbryant@cisco.com, adrian@olddog.co.uk, loa@pi.nu, swallow@cisco.com, rcallon@juniper.net From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20130917015429.46944B1E00B@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mpls@ietf.org, bestman0729@gmail.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [mpls] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5331 (3728) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 02:00:54 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5331, "MPLS Upstream Label Assignment and Context-Specific Label Space". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5331&eid=3728 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Liu Lin Section: 8 Original Text ------------- If the IPv4 network mask is greater than 12 bits, it is possible to map the remaining 20 bits into a unique context label value. Corrected Text -------------- If the IPv4 network mask is equal or greater than 12 bits, it is possible to map the remaining bits into a unique context label value. Notes ----- if the IPv4 network mask is equal to 12bits, then it will remain 20bits, if the IPv4 net work mask is greater than 12 bits , it will remain less than 20bits. Instructions: ------------- This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC5331 (draft-ietf-mpls-upstream-label-07) -------------------------------------- Title : MPLS Upstream Label Assignment and Context-Specific Label Space Publication Date : August 2008 Author(s) : R. Aggarwal, Y. Rekhter, E. Rosen Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Multiprotocol Label Switching Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From haoweiguo@huawei.com Mon Sep 16 19:42:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6971D11E82ED for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:42:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.449 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HUgb4NL3PAsQ for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A769B11E82E4 for ; 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Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:31:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.574 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.574 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ceCWi+e29Ssa; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A9811E81C3; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:31:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130917063130.16011.7064.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:31:30 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-13.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:31:31 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Gro= up of the IETF. Title : Return Path Specified LSP Ping Author(s) : Mach(Guoyi) Chen Wei Cao So Ning Frederic Jounay Simon Delord Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-13.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2013-09-16 Abstract: This document defines extensions to the data-plane failure-detection protocol for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) known as "LSP Ping". These extensions allow selection of the LSP to use for the echo reply return path. Enforcing a specific return path can be used to verify bidirectional connectivity and also increase LSP ping robustness. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-= ping There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-ls= p-ping-13 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From mach.chen@huawei.com Mon Sep 16 23:44:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B943211E8211; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:44:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3mpYPYqRvvoS; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7436911E81FD; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AVN63113; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:44:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:43:49 +0100 Received: from SZXEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.32) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:44:16 +0100 Received: from szxeml558-mbs.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.31]) by szxeml402-hub.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:44:08 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" , "" Thread-Topic: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt Thread-Index: AQHOqDebrKO6OJQx3ESbiGHTNfRsN5nJj1dA Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:44:08 +0000 Message-ID: References: <95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED325E86B07@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED325E86B07@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.96.176] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "" , "draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping.all@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:44:29 -0000 Hi Carlos and all, We just uploaded a revision that mainly based on your comments. Here are the related links of the new draft: The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-= ping=20 There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-1= 3=20 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-ls= p-ping-13=20 The summary of the updates: 1. BFD and inter-AS related text removed;=20 2. refine the definition of the "A" bit, decouple the relationship between = the "A" bit and whether test the return path; 3. apply the tunnel sub-TLVs to TLV type 1;=20 4. and other editorial changes to solve the minor comments; Hope this resolve your comments. Many thanks Mach > -----Original Message----- > From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:53 AM > To: > Cc: ; > draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping.all@tools.ietf.org; mpls@i= etf.org > Subject: [mpls] RtgDir review: > draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. = The > Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts= as they > pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special req= uest. > The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. Fo= r more > information about the Routing Directorate, please see > http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/routing.html >=20 > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it = would > be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call > comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion = or by > updating the draft. >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt > Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro > Review Date: 02 September 2013 > IETF LC End Date: 04 September 2013 > Intended Status: Proposed Standard >=20 > Summary: >=20 > I have significant concerns about this document and recommend that the Ro= uting > ADs discuss these issues further with the authors. >=20 > Comments: >=20 > This document defines useful functionality. It is also generally well wri= tten and is > fairly detailed and comprehensive. >=20 > At the same time, for a set of extensions that attempts to provide more > determinism in a failure detection protocol, I believe there is still sig= nificant > ambiguity in a few underspecified elements and behaviors. >=20 > Although I have marked a number of "major" issues, some of them should be > relatively easy to fix. Others, however, pose somewhat fundamental questi= ons. >=20 > I hope these review comments are clear and useful! >=20 >=20 > Major Issues: >=20 > The first major issue that I would like to have discussed is the usage of= these > extensions for BFD for MPLS bootstrapping. The Abstract in this document = sets to > prove that the extensions thereby defined can be used for BFD for MPLS > bootstrapping. However, I believe that the document is underdefined to ma= ke > that claim in the Abstract. >=20 > There is somewhat of a contradiction in that, to make BFD for MPLS > bootstrapping using these extensions work, specific protocol definitions = (i.e., > 2119 language in the BFD for MPLS bootstrapping state machine) need to ta= ke > place in BFD, as per draft-chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement. However, that > document is only an Informative reference in this document. It appears to= me > that, without draft-chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement, the claim of the Abstract > cannot be fulfilled. By way of process, I also believe this might have no= t been > tested with the BFD working group. >=20 > In any case, the only mention of BFD for MPLS bootstrapping in this docum= ent is > by passing as an example in Section 3.3.1. Due to all of these reasons, I= believe > this doc should remove the goal of BFD improvements al together or majorl= y > qualify and downgrade the usage with BFD. >=20 > A second major issue is a question: Given how RFC 4379 defines the reply = mode 4 > ("Reply via application level control channel"). Given a bidirectional LS= P. Doesn't > using GAL+GACh and Reply Mode #4 solve this whole problem? Why is that on= e > not discussed? Basically, RFC 4379 uses RFC 5085 as the reference example= of > reply mode #4. Since RFC 5586 generalizes the VCCV associated channel to = LSPs, > then we have a generic control channel to be used with reply mode #4. >=20 > Also, what's the relationship to RFC 6426 and TLV 16? Another return path= ? >=20 > A third major issue has to do with the treatment of Inter-AS scenarios in= this draft. > In Sections 2.1 and 2.2, this draft is implicitly presented as a solution= for MPLS > Echo in "inter-domain LSPs" and "inter-domain/inter-AS LSP". The problems= in > these cases are more convoluted than what this draft describes, and inclu= des lack > of addressing context and initiator address unknown (not only that the IP= Router > Alert label might not work in the boundary). I believe that this draft sh= ould not > call those cases since are not solved by the addition of a new reply mode= . >=20 > A fourth major issue has to do with the use of IP Path versus LSP Path, a= s per a > number of Minor issues described below that, together, amount to a major.= See > minor issues section. >=20 > A fifth major issue concerns itself with ECMP upon return. Saying that th= e > response should be sent over the LSP with target FEC Stack of LDP IPv4 pr= efix of > 192.0.2.27/32 is not enough, as there are potentially multiple paths thro= ughout. I > believe this topic should be discussed. In the Echo direction, this is so= lved with > the Downstream Mapping mechanics. That is overkill for the response, but = again, > multi path can give false negatives the same deeming the whole solution > unusable (since at the end it cannot provide the prescriptiveness). >=20 > A last major issue concerns itself with Security considerations. Using th= ese > extensions, a node can instruct another node to send replies out of any L= SP, > including LSPs that do not go back to the source. Further, an attacker ca= n send > MPLS Echo nodes to many nodes vectoring responses to a node target of a D= DoS > attack. The security considerations briefly touches this point and says t= hat "the > return path LSP MUST have destination to the same node where the forward > path is from". However, it is not clear how a node can actually evaluate = and > actually verify and enforce this MUST. It is quite possible that this che= ck is not > possible to make. >=20 >=20 > Minor Issues: >=20 > Does this document update RFC 4379? >=20 > 1. Introduction >=20 > The procedures defined in this document > currently only apply to "ping" mode. The "traceroute" mode is out of > scope for this document. >=20 > I am note sure if this is major or minor -- but separating traceroute mod= e as out > of scope seems like a huge gap. Are there specific issues with using thes= e > extensions in traceroute mode? The last hop of a traceroute is equivalent= to a > ping -- can these extensions be used there? >=20 >=20 > The defined extensions can also be > utilized for creating a single Bidirectional Forwarding Detection > (BFD)[RFC5880], [RFC5884] session for a bidirectional LSP or for a > pair of unidirectional LSPs (one for each direction). >=20 > For BFD for bidirectional LSPs, there is no need to use LSP Ping bootstra= pping, > since the context of the session can be directly gleaned as defined in RF= C 5885. In > other words, single-hop BFD initialization is enough -- why would someone= want > to use bootstrapping with LSP Ping, and then specific extensions, when th= e > context of the BFD discriminators is understood from the label (again, as= per RFC > 5885)? >=20 > In this document, the term bidirectional LSP includes the co-routed > bidirectional LSP defined in [RFC3945] and the associated > bidirectional LSP that is constructed from a pair of unidirectional > LSPs (one for each direction), and which are associated with one > another at the LSP's ingress/egress points [RFC5654]. The mechanisms > defined in this document can apply to both IP/MPLS and MPLS Transport > Profile (MPLS-TP) scenarios. >=20 > Two key questions: > 1. What about Pseudowires? > 2. How can this apply to MPLS-TP when MPLS-TP might not have an IP contro= l > plane (to run LSP Ping)? >=20 >=20 > 2. Problem Statements and Solution Overview >=20 > MPLS LSP Ping is defined in [RFC4379]. It can be used to detect data > path failures in all MPLS LSPs, and was originally designed for > unidirectional LSPs. >=20 > Where does RFC4379 limits its scope to unidirectional LSPs? >=20 > And in any case, the use modes 2 or 3 cannot guarantee the delivery > of echo responses through an IP network that is fundamentally > unreliable. The failure to deliver echo response messages can lead > to false negatives making it appear that the LSP has failed. >=20 > Allowing the ingress LSR to control the path used for echo reply > messages, and in particular forcing those messages to use an LSP > rather than being sent through the IP network, enables an operator to > apply an extra level of deterministic process to the LSP Ping test. >=20 > These two paragraphs seems to show a gross misconception on how reply wor= ks. > From 4379, the reply with mode #1 does not need to be sent over IP withou= t > MPLS. It can very well be sent over an LSP. In fact, given the right sour= ce IP > address in the LSP Ping Echo, the right return LSP can be chosen. This ne= eds to be > better explained so as not to "hype" the solution presented in the docume= nt. >=20 > 3. Extensions >=20 > In addition, two new TLVs, the Reply Path TLV and Reply Traffic Class > (TC) [RFC5462] TLV, are defined in this document. >=20 > Given that the "Reply Path TLV" specifies an LSP and not a Path, I strong= ly suggest > the TLV be renamed to more specifically describe its functionality. >=20 >=20 > 0x0004 The specified Reply Path was not found, the echo > reply was sent via other LSP > 0x0005 The specified Reply Path was not found, the echo > reply was sent via IP path >=20 > It is not clear what an IP path is, when sending an LSP Echo response as = an IP > datagram can be sent labeled as an LSP. Also, I assume these are without = Router > Alert, right? >=20 > A (Alternative path): the egress LSR MUST select a non-default path > as the return path. This is very useful when reverse default path > problems are suspected which can be confirmed when the echo reply is > forced to follow a non-default return path. Here, the default path > refers to the path that the egress LSR will use to send the echo > reply when the return path is not explicitly specified as defined in > this document. If A bit is set, there is no need to carry any > specific reply path sub-TLVs, and when received, the sub-TLVs SHOULD > be ignored. >=20 > Do all implementations understand the same thing as "Default"? This seems > underspecified. >=20 > Also, say that an LSP Ping is sent with source IP address as 192.0.2.1 ov= er an LSP. A > "default" return LSP is perhaps an LSP where 192.0.2.1/32 points to. How = would a > non-default be in this case? Send it to a wrong LSR? What should respondi= ng > router choose in this case? How can it choose a non-default without the > specification of an actual LSP? >=20 > B (Bidirectional): the return path is required to follow the reverse > direction of the tested bidirectional LSP. If B bit is set, there is > no need to carry any specific reply path sub-TLVs, and when received, > the sub-TLVs SHOULD be ignored. >=20 > Is this default or non-default when this TLV is not used (pre-this spec)? >=20 > 3.2. Reply Path (RP) TLV >=20 > When reply mode (!=3D 5) and Reply Path TLV is received, which takes prec= edence > and what is the procedure? >=20 >=20 > 3.3. Reply Path sub-TLVs >=20 > In addition, this document defines three new sub-TLVs: IPv4 RSVP > Tunnel sub-TLV, IPv6 RSVP Tunnel sub-TLV, and Static Tunnel sub-TLV. >=20 > It is not clear why these are specified. The text does not seem to explai= n the > need, nor why these do not need to be specified for the TLV 1. >=20 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | MUST be zero |S|P| > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >=20 > Further, "primary" and "secondary" are not defined. Which specifications > explains what is a primary and a secondary? >=20 > 3.3.3. Static Tunnel sub-TLV >=20 > Again, why is this not specified for the Echo as well? >=20 > 4. Theory of Operation >=20 > When the echo reply message is intended to test the return MPLS LSP > path(when the A bit is not set in the previous received echo request > message), the destination IP address of the echo reply message MUST > never be used in a forwarding decision. >=20 > Is this really the meaning of the "A-bit"? >=20 > To avoid this possibility > the destination IP address of the echo reply message that is > transmitted along the specified return path MUST be set to numbers > from the range 127/8 for IPv4 or 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 for IPv6, and > the IP TTL MUST be set 1, and the TTL in the outermost label MUST be > set to 255. >=20 > 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 is ambiguous. This needs to be 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:7F00= /104 or > 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127.0.0.0/104 >=20 > Of course when the echo reply message is not intended > for testing the specified return path (when the A bit is set in the > previous received echo request message) , the procedures defined in > [RFC4379] (the destination IP address is copied from the source IP > address) apply unchanged. >=20 > Does this mean that "Alternate" and "Non Default" are actually to follow = the > *Default* procedures from RFC 4379? >=20 > 4.3. Sending an Echo Reply >=20 > and the IP TTL MUST be set to 1, the > TTL in the outermost label MUST be set to 255. >=20 > Should this follow draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv? >=20 > 6.4. Reply Path Return Code >=20 > There seems to be a contradiction in this: >=20 > 0x0006-0xfffb Not allocated, allocated via Standard Action > 0xfffc-0xffff Experimental Use >=20 > The range of 0x0008-0xfffb is not allocated and reserved for future > extensions and is allocated via Standard Action, the range of 0xfffc- > 0xffff is for Experimental Use. >=20 > Overall -- what is the interaction with draft-ietf-mpls-remote-lsp-ping? = Note also > that document specifies a reply mode with the same value of "5". >=20 > Also, this document does not seem to define backward compatibility > considerations. What happens if a pre-specification router receives a Rep= ly Mode > #5? The generic behavior of RFC 4379 is to respond with a generic "malfor= med > echo" error -- should there be a sub-code for Unknown reply mode -- in wh= ich > case it's a bit ironic to reply by some other mode -- to signal the speci= fic issue for > future reply codes? >=20 > A final minor issue: this specification defines a new behavior for an ech= o reply in > which the Echo Reply message is destined to a loopback IP Address. If the= return > path is broken, a middle router will think the packet is destined to itse= lf (because > of the loopback) -- the behavior in this case is undefined and can result= in funny > behaviors, for example an ICMP port unreachable sent to the source or wei= rder. >=20 > A last minor issue relates the IANA requests -- section 6.2 is already fa= irly > complex, yet it does not speak to the following: What happens when sub-TL= Vs > for TLV1 are defined? What is checked to make sure that this new sub-TLV = applies > to TLV21, and how? Does this update IANA allocations for RFC 4379? Also, = a > sub-TLV with sub-Type 16384 can be assigned to TLV1 with specification re= quired, > but needs Standards action for TLV 21? And from which of these eight rang= es are > sub-Types of Section 6.2.1 assigned, and why are not applicable to TLV Ty= pe 1 and > Type 16? >=20 > I would include in the IANA instructions details within TLV 1 about the c= hanges > and "directly copied" to TLV21. >=20 >=20 > Nits: >=20 > Abstract >=20 > This document defines extensions to the failure-detection protocol > for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) > known as "LSP Ping" that allow selection of the LSP to use for the > echo reply return path. >=20 > The abstract is key in that its legibility sets for the whole document. T= hese same > comments apply to the Introduction. >=20 > First, to be consistent with RFC4379, I'd qualify adding "...extensions t= o the > *data-plane* failure-detection protocol...". >=20 > Second, this is a very long sentence that reads better split in two: "kno= wn as "LSP > Ping". These extensions allow selection of the" >=20 >=20 > The Reply via Specified Path mode is used to request that the remote > LSR receiving the LSP Ping echo request message sends back the echo > reply message along the specified paths carried in the Reply Path > TLV. >=20 > There is no such a thing as "LSP Ping echo request message" in RFC 4379. = The > same happens throughout the document, and should be fixed. >=20 >=20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Reply Path TLV Type | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Reply Path return code | Flag | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >=20 > These are "Flags" (plural). >=20 > 0x0002 One or more of the sub-TLVs in Reply Path TLV > was not understood >=20 > s/was/were/ >=20 >=20 > Additionally, idnits 2.12.17 finds the following: >=20 > ** There is 1 instance of too long lines in the document, the longest o= ne > being 1 character in excess of 72. >=20 > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC6426' is defined on line 873, but no expli= cit > reference was found in the text >=20 >=20 > I hope these are clear and useful! >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Carlos Pignataro. From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Tue Sep 17 08:49:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8714A11E829A; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:49:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lP3-8CIJEjaN; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A8711E848E; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130917154946.26344.49736.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:49:46 -0700 Cc: mpls mailing list , mpls chair , RFC Editor Subject: [mpls] Protocol Action: 'Using LDP Multipoint Extensions on Targeted LDP Sessions' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-mpls-targeted-mldp-04.txt) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:49:47 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Using LDP Multipoint Extensions on Targeted LDP Sessions' (draft-ietf-mpls-targeted-mldp-04.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adrian Farrel and Stewart Bryant. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-targeted-mldp/ Technical Summary RFC 6388 specifies how the Label Distribution Protocol (LDP) can be used to set up Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) and Multipoint-to- Multipoint (MP2MP) Label Switched Paths. RFC 6388 presupposes that the two endpoints of an LDP session are directly connected. The LDP base specification (RFC 5036) allows for the case where the two endpoints of an LDP session are not directly connected; such a session is known as a "Targeted LDP" session. This document provides the specification for using the LDP P2MP/MP2MP extensions over a Targeted LDP session. Document Quality An implementation poll has been sent to the working group and the information on implementations will be updated as soon as we received information from this poll. There is no need for MIB Doctor or Media Type reviews. This document had a fairly normal working group last call, with good comments that have been addressed. Personnel Loa Andersson (loa@pi.nu) is the document shepherd. Adrian Farrel (Adrian@olddog.co.uk) is the responsible AD. From ietf-ipr@ietf.org Tue Sep 17 09:34:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2120E11E8301; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:34:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.394 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.394 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.206, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i4SZWLfiD4L0; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E9311E8125; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:34:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Secretariat To: xuxiaohu@huawei.com, nsheth@juniper.net, lucy.yong@huawei.com, cpignata@cisco.com, fanyb@gsta.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130917163449.1546.39524.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:34:49 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org, rcallon@juniper.net, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:34:54 -0000 Dear KuiKe Building, Nischal Sheth, Lucy Yong, Carlos Pignataro, Fan Yongbi= ng: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Encapsula= ting MPLS in UDP" (draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat= on 2013-09-16 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property R= ights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2198/). 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Note that the update #3 also implies a simplification of the IANA = instructions, because now you do not have any sub-TLVs that are defined = for TLV21 and not for TLV1. This resolves all my comments, thanks again! -- Carlos. On Sep 17, 2013, at 2:44 AM, Mach Chen wrote: > Hi Carlos and all, >=20 > We just uploaded a revision that mainly based on your comments. >=20 > Here are the related links of the new draft: >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp= -ping=20 >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-= 13=20 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > = http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-l= sp-ping-13=20 >=20 >=20 > The summary of the updates: > 1. BFD and inter-AS related text removed;=20 > 2. refine the definition of the "A" bit, decouple the relationship = between the "A" bit and whether test the return path; > 3. apply the tunnel sub-TLVs to TLV type 1;=20 > 4. and other editorial changes to solve the minor comments; >=20 >=20 > Hope this resolve your comments. >=20 > Many thanks > Mach >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of >> Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) >> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:53 AM >> To: >> Cc: ; >> draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping.all@tools.ietf.org; = mpls@ietf.org >> Subject: [mpls] RtgDir review: >> draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt >>=20 >> Hello, >>=20 >> I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this = draft. The >> Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related = drafts as they >> pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special = request. >> The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing = ADs. For more >> information about the Routing Directorate, please see >> http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/routing.html >>=20 >> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, = it would >> be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last = Call >> comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through = discussion or by >> updating the draft. >>=20 >> Document: draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12.txt >> Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro >> Review Date: 02 September 2013 >> IETF LC End Date: 04 September 2013 >> Intended Status: Proposed Standard >>=20 >> Summary: >>=20 >> I have significant concerns about this document and recommend that = the Routing >> ADs discuss these issues further with the authors. >>=20 >> Comments: >>=20 >> This document defines useful functionality. It is also generally well = written and is >> fairly detailed and comprehensive. >>=20 >> At the same time, for a set of extensions that attempts to provide = more >> determinism in a failure detection protocol, I believe there is still = significant >> ambiguity in a few underspecified elements and behaviors. >>=20 >> Although I have marked a number of "major" issues, some of them = should be >> relatively easy to fix. Others, however, pose somewhat fundamental = questions. >>=20 >> I hope these review comments are clear and useful! >>=20 >>=20 >> Major Issues: >>=20 >> The first major issue that I would like to have discussed is the = usage of these >> extensions for BFD for MPLS bootstrapping. The Abstract in this = document sets to >> prove that the extensions thereby defined can be used for BFD for = MPLS >> bootstrapping. However, I believe that the document is underdefined = to make >> that claim in the Abstract. >>=20 >> There is somewhat of a contradiction in that, to make BFD for MPLS >> bootstrapping using these extensions work, specific protocol = definitions (i.e., >> 2119 language in the BFD for MPLS bootstrapping state machine) need = to take >> place in BFD, as per draft-chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement. However, that >> document is only an Informative reference in this document. It = appears to me >> that, without draft-chen-mpls-bfd-enhancement, the claim of the = Abstract >> cannot be fulfilled. By way of process, I also believe this might = have not been >> tested with the BFD working group. >>=20 >> In any case, the only mention of BFD for MPLS bootstrapping in this = document is >> by passing as an example in Section 3.3.1. Due to all of these = reasons, I believe >> this doc should remove the goal of BFD improvements al together or = majorly >> qualify and downgrade the usage with BFD. >>=20 >> A second major issue is a question: Given how RFC 4379 defines the = reply mode 4 >> ("Reply via application level control channel"). Given a = bidirectional LSP. Doesn't >> using GAL+GACh and Reply Mode #4 solve this whole problem? Why is = that one >> not discussed? Basically, RFC 4379 uses RFC 5085 as the reference = example of >> reply mode #4. Since RFC 5586 generalizes the VCCV associated channel = to LSPs, >> then we have a generic control channel to be used with reply mode #4. >>=20 >> Also, what's the relationship to RFC 6426 and TLV 16? Another return = path? >>=20 >> A third major issue has to do with the treatment of Inter-AS = scenarios in this draft. >> In Sections 2.1 and 2.2, this draft is implicitly presented as a = solution for MPLS >> Echo in "inter-domain LSPs" and "inter-domain/inter-AS LSP". The = problems in >> these cases are more convoluted than what this draft describes, and = includes lack >> of addressing context and initiator address unknown (not only that = the IP Router >> Alert label might not work in the boundary). I believe that this = draft should not >> call those cases since are not solved by the addition of a new reply = mode. >>=20 >> A fourth major issue has to do with the use of IP Path versus LSP = Path, as per a >> number of Minor issues described below that, together, amount to a = major. See >> minor issues section. >>=20 >> A fifth major issue concerns itself with ECMP upon return. Saying = that the >> response should be sent over the LSP with target FEC Stack of LDP = IPv4 prefix of >> 192.0.2.27/32 is not enough, as there are potentially multiple paths = throughout. I >> believe this topic should be discussed. In the Echo direction, this = is solved with >> the Downstream Mapping mechanics. That is overkill for the response, = but again, >> multi path can give false negatives the same deeming the whole = solution >> unusable (since at the end it cannot provide the prescriptiveness). >>=20 >> A last major issue concerns itself with Security considerations. = Using these >> extensions, a node can instruct another node to send replies out of = any LSP, >> including LSPs that do not go back to the source. Further, an = attacker can send >> MPLS Echo nodes to many nodes vectoring responses to a node target of = a DDoS >> attack. The security considerations briefly touches this point and = says that "the >> return path LSP MUST have destination to the same node where the = forward >> path is from". However, it is not clear how a node can actually = evaluate and >> actually verify and enforce this MUST. It is quite possible that this = check is not >> possible to make. >>=20 >>=20 >> Minor Issues: >>=20 >> Does this document update RFC 4379? >>=20 >> 1. Introduction >>=20 >> The procedures defined in this document >> currently only apply to "ping" mode. The "traceroute" mode is out = of >> scope for this document. >>=20 >> I am note sure if this is major or minor -- but separating traceroute = mode as out >> of scope seems like a huge gap. Are there specific issues with using = these >> extensions in traceroute mode? The last hop of a traceroute is = equivalent to a >> ping -- can these extensions be used there? >>=20 >>=20 >> The defined extensions can also be >> utilized for creating a single Bidirectional Forwarding Detection >> (BFD)[RFC5880], [RFC5884] session for a bidirectional LSP or for a >> pair of unidirectional LSPs (one for each direction). >>=20 >> For BFD for bidirectional LSPs, there is no need to use LSP Ping = bootstrapping, >> since the context of the session can be directly gleaned as defined = in RFC 5885. In >> other words, single-hop BFD initialization is enough -- why would = someone want >> to use bootstrapping with LSP Ping, and then specific extensions, = when the >> context of the BFD discriminators is understood from the label = (again, as per RFC >> 5885)? >>=20 >> In this document, the term bidirectional LSP includes the co-routed >> bidirectional LSP defined in [RFC3945] and the associated >> bidirectional LSP that is constructed from a pair of unidirectional >> LSPs (one for each direction), and which are associated with one >> another at the LSP's ingress/egress points [RFC5654]. The = mechanisms >> defined in this document can apply to both IP/MPLS and MPLS = Transport >> Profile (MPLS-TP) scenarios. >>=20 >> Two key questions: >> 1. What about Pseudowires? >> 2. How can this apply to MPLS-TP when MPLS-TP might not have an IP = control >> plane (to run LSP Ping)? >>=20 >>=20 >> 2. Problem Statements and Solution Overview >>=20 >> MPLS LSP Ping is defined in [RFC4379]. It can be used to detect = data >> path failures in all MPLS LSPs, and was originally designed for >> unidirectional LSPs. >>=20 >> Where does RFC4379 limits its scope to unidirectional LSPs? >>=20 >> And in any case, the use modes 2 or 3 cannot guarantee the delivery >> of echo responses through an IP network that is fundamentally >> unreliable. The failure to deliver echo response messages can lead >> to false negatives making it appear that the LSP has failed. >>=20 >> Allowing the ingress LSR to control the path used for echo reply >> messages, and in particular forcing those messages to use an LSP >> rather than being sent through the IP network, enables an operator = to >> apply an extra level of deterministic process to the LSP Ping test. >>=20 >> These two paragraphs seems to show a gross misconception on how reply = works. >> =46rom 4379, the reply with mode #1 does not need to be sent over IP = without >> MPLS. It can very well be sent over an LSP. In fact, given the right = source IP >> address in the LSP Ping Echo, the right return LSP can be chosen. = This needs to be >> better explained so as not to "hype" the solution presented in the = document. >>=20 >> 3. Extensions >>=20 >> In addition, two new TLVs, the Reply Path TLV and Reply Traffic = Class >> (TC) [RFC5462] TLV, are defined in this document. >>=20 >> Given that the "Reply Path TLV" specifies an LSP and not a Path, I = strongly suggest >> the TLV be renamed to more specifically describe its functionality. >>=20 >>=20 >> 0x0004 The specified Reply Path was not found, the echo >> reply was sent via other LSP >> 0x0005 The specified Reply Path was not found, the echo >> reply was sent via IP path >>=20 >> It is not clear what an IP path is, when sending an LSP Echo response = as an IP >> datagram can be sent labeled as an LSP. Also, I assume these are = without Router >> Alert, right? >>=20 >> A (Alternative path): the egress LSR MUST select a non-default path >> as the return path. This is very useful when reverse default path >> problems are suspected which can be confirmed when the echo reply = is >> forced to follow a non-default return path. Here, the default path >> refers to the path that the egress LSR will use to send the echo >> reply when the return path is not explicitly specified as defined = in >> this document. If A bit is set, there is no need to carry any >> specific reply path sub-TLVs, and when received, the sub-TLVs = SHOULD >> be ignored. >>=20 >> Do all implementations understand the same thing as "Default"? This = seems >> underspecified. >>=20 >> Also, say that an LSP Ping is sent with source IP address as = 192.0.2.1 over an LSP. A >> "default" return LSP is perhaps an LSP where 192.0.2.1/32 points to. = How would a >> non-default be in this case? Send it to a wrong LSR? What should = responding >> router choose in this case? How can it choose a non-default without = the >> specification of an actual LSP? >>=20 >> B (Bidirectional): the return path is required to follow the = reverse >> direction of the tested bidirectional LSP. If B bit is set, there = is >> no need to carry any specific reply path sub-TLVs, and when = received, >> the sub-TLVs SHOULD be ignored. >>=20 >> Is this default or non-default when this TLV is not used (pre-this = spec)? >>=20 >> 3.2. Reply Path (RP) TLV >>=20 >> When reply mode (!=3D 5) and Reply Path TLV is received, which takes = precedence >> and what is the procedure? >>=20 >>=20 >> 3.3. Reply Path sub-TLVs >>=20 >> In addition, this document defines three new sub-TLVs: IPv4 RSVP >> Tunnel sub-TLV, IPv6 RSVP Tunnel sub-TLV, and Static Tunnel = sub-TLV. >>=20 >> It is not clear why these are specified. The text does not seem to = explain the >> need, nor why these do not need to be specified for the TLV 1. >>=20 >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | MUST be zero |S|P| >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>=20 >> Further, "primary" and "secondary" are not defined. Which = specifications >> explains what is a primary and a secondary? >>=20 >> 3.3.3. Static Tunnel sub-TLV >>=20 >> Again, why is this not specified for the Echo as well? >>=20 >> 4. Theory of Operation >>=20 >> When the echo reply message is intended to test the return MPLS LSP >> path(when the A bit is not set in the previous received echo = request >> message), the destination IP address of the echo reply message MUST >> never be used in a forwarding decision. >>=20 >> Is this really the meaning of the "A-bit"? >>=20 >> To avoid this possibility >> the destination IP address of the echo reply message that is >> transmitted along the specified return path MUST be set to numbers >> from the range 127/8 for IPv4 or 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 for IPv6, = and >> the IP TTL MUST be set 1, and the TTL in the outermost label MUST = be >> set to 255. >>=20 >> 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127/104 is ambiguous. This needs to be = 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:7F00/104 or >> 0:0:0:0:0:FFFF:127.0.0.0/104 >>=20 >> Of course when the echo reply message is not intended >> for testing the specified return path (when the A bit is set in the >> previous received echo request message) , the procedures defined in >> [RFC4379] (the destination IP address is copied from the source IP >> address) apply unchanged. >>=20 >> Does this mean that "Alternate" and "Non Default" are actually to = follow the >> *Default* procedures from RFC 4379? >>=20 >> 4.3. Sending an Echo Reply >>=20 >> and the IP TTL MUST be set to 1, the >> TTL in the outermost label MUST be set to 255. >>=20 >> Should this follow draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv? >>=20 >> 6.4. Reply Path Return Code >>=20 >> There seems to be a contradiction in this: >>=20 >> 0x0006-0xfffb Not allocated, allocated via Standard Action >> 0xfffc-0xffff Experimental Use >>=20 >> The range of 0x0008-0xfffb is not allocated and reserved for future >> extensions and is allocated via Standard Action, the range of = 0xfffc- >> 0xffff is for Experimental Use. >>=20 >> Overall -- what is the interaction with = draft-ietf-mpls-remote-lsp-ping? Note also >> that document specifies a reply mode with the same value of "5". >>=20 >> Also, this document does not seem to define backward compatibility >> considerations. What happens if a pre-specification router receives a = Reply Mode >> #5? The generic behavior of RFC 4379 is to respond with a generic = "malformed >> echo" error -- should there be a sub-code for Unknown reply mode -- = in which >> case it's a bit ironic to reply by some other mode -- to signal the = specific issue for >> future reply codes? >>=20 >> A final minor issue: this specification defines a new behavior for an = echo reply in >> which the Echo Reply message is destined to a loopback IP Address. If = the return >> path is broken, a middle router will think the packet is destined to = itself (because >> of the loopback) -- the behavior in this case is undefined and can = result in funny >> behaviors, for example an ICMP port unreachable sent to the source or = weirder. >>=20 >> A last minor issue relates the IANA requests -- section 6.2 is = already fairly >> complex, yet it does not speak to the following: What happens when = sub-TLVs >> for TLV1 are defined? What is checked to make sure that this new = sub-TLV applies >> to TLV21, and how? Does this update IANA allocations for RFC 4379? = Also, a >> sub-TLV with sub-Type 16384 can be assigned to TLV1 with = specification required, >> but needs Standards action for TLV 21? And from which of these eight = ranges are >> sub-Types of Section 6.2.1 assigned, and why are not applicable to = TLV Type 1 and >> Type 16? >>=20 >> I would include in the IANA instructions details within TLV 1 about = the changes >> and "directly copied" to TLV21. >>=20 >>=20 >> Nits: >>=20 >> Abstract >>=20 >> This document defines extensions to the failure-detection protocol >> for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Paths = (LSPs) >> known as "LSP Ping" that allow selection of the LSP to use for the >> echo reply return path. >>=20 >> The abstract is key in that its legibility sets for the whole = document. These same >> comments apply to the Introduction. >>=20 >> First, to be consistent with RFC4379, I'd qualify adding = "...extensions to the >> *data-plane* failure-detection protocol...". >>=20 >> Second, this is a very long sentence that reads better split in two: = "known as "LSP >> Ping". These extensions allow selection of the" >>=20 >>=20 >> The Reply via Specified Path mode is used to request that the = remote >> LSR receiving the LSP Ping echo request message sends back the echo >> reply message along the specified paths carried in the Reply Path >> TLV. >>=20 >> There is no such a thing as "LSP Ping echo request message" in RFC = 4379. The >> same happens throughout the document, and should be fixed. >>=20 >>=20 >> 0 1 2 3 >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 = 1 >> = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | Reply Path TLV Type | Length = | >> = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | Reply Path return code | Flag = | >> = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>=20 >> These are "Flags" (plural). >>=20 >> 0x0002 One or more of the sub-TLVs in Reply Path TLV >> was not understood >>=20 >> s/was/were/ >>=20 >>=20 >> Additionally, idnits 2.12.17 finds the following: >>=20 >> ** There is 1 instance of too long lines in the document, the = longest one >> being 1 character in excess of 72. >>=20 >> =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC6426' is defined on line 873, but no = explicit >> reference was found in the text >>=20 >>=20 >> I hope these are clear and useful! >>=20 >> Thank you, >>=20 >> Carlos Pignataro. >=20 --Apple-Mail=_AF168BB6-FD03-48D1-A0CC-8EEEDEB06C08 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlI4xvIACgkQtfDPGTp3USxLrwCfU+XpJpeouMWKx3a9cNbfdv50 XCYAn1F4sjY/Iht0msMIJsSMLWLw6Ltk =GEKT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_AF168BB6-FD03-48D1-A0CC-8EEEDEB06C08-- From adrian@olddog.co.uk Tue Sep 17 14:57:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A28A21F9FF1 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:57:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.568 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.568 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.031, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TdSMe5hg-eVf for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2248311E8309 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r8HLuvm6005514; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:56:57 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r8HLuu4E005498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:56:56 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , , "'Rahul Aggarwal'" Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:56:56 +0100 Message-ID: <038b01ceb3f0$d4882c20$7d988460$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac6z8NA6eqzts5/tS2a9nWrS02wpUg== Content-Language: en-gb Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Errata in RFC 5331 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:57:13 -0000 Hi, Liu Lin recently raised two Errata reports against RFC 5331. I would like you help in clarifying the intent of the document. In http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3726 Liu notes that Section 6 says: > In the former case, an LSR distributes an upstream-assigned > label binding for a FEC F if it is either (a) the ingress LSR > for FEC F, or (b) if it has already received an upstream label > binding for that FEC from its adjacent upstream LSR for FEC F, > or (c) if it has received a request for a downstream label > binding from its upstream adjacent LSR. He suggests that case (c) is broken and should read: | (c) if it has received a request for a upstream label | binding from its downstream adjacent LSR. I suspect that the original text may have intended to imply that when an LSR receives a request for a downstream label from its upstream adjacent LSR then it will use this as a trigger to send an upstream-assigned label to its downstream adjacent LSR. If so, the text is correct and I will reject the Errata. Your opinions, please. Thanks, Adrian From adrian@olddog.co.uk Tue Sep 17 15:13:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2808511E825E for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:13:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JBV2WHLorI6X for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (asmtp5.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.176]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2A111E85D1 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r8HMD5PN026032; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 23:13:06 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r8HMD4jT026022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Sep 2013 23:13:05 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , "Arun Viswanathan" , Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 23:13:05 +0100 Message-ID: <038f01ceb3f3$15bff6d0$413fe470$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac6z8wNlP4D7BJVvRx2Y74ckyb9nZA== Content-Language: en-gb Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Errata report for RFC 3031 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:13:18 -0000 Hi, Renato Westphal raised http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3689 In this he questions the action in downstream-on-demand independent mode when the downstream neighbor does not have a next hop for the requested prefix. The I-D says that the case is N/A, by which I assume it is intended to imply that the case cannot arise. Renato believes that the action should be 'RequestRetry' claiming that 'N/A' can only apply if the Request Procedure is 'RequestNever'. Your opinions please. Thanks, Adrian From ietf-ipr@ietf.org Tue Sep 17 15:29:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AF411E82F1; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:29:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.394 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.394 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.206, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QL9K+xOrA07w; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB6211E815B; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:29:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Secretariat To: akatlas@juniper.net, jdrake@juniper.net, dward@cisco.com, Spencer.giacalone@thomsonreuters.com, sprevidi@cisco.com, cfilsfil@cisco.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.71.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130917222920.14300.3827.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:29:20 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org, rcallon@juniper.net, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path-04 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:29:20 -0000 Dear Alia Atlas, John Drake, David Ward, Spencer Giacalone, Stefano Previdi= , Clarence Filsfils: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Performan= ce- based Path Selection for Explicitly Routed LSPs using TE Metric Extensions" (draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2013-09-17 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property R= ights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2200/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-atlas-mpls-te-expr= ess- path-04.""); The IETF Secretariat From renwei.li@huawei.com Tue Sep 17 15:30:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB0511E844C for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:30:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FPci68cNu2Y4 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BC511E825E for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AVO41034; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:30:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 23:29:35 +0100 Received: from SJCEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.212.94.42) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 23:30:01 +0100 Received: from SJCEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.42]) by sjceml401-hub.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:29:55 -0700 From: Richard Li To: Ross Callon , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHOr9cjpqZHecQOYUqzbCEzwiTwTZnKiwMg Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:29:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: <98952a55996f40da8cbcb663561f580b@BLUPR05MB070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <98952a55996f40da8cbcb663561f580b@BLUPR05MB070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.244.45] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F061CEB6876F904F8EA6D6B92877731C30506C8Bsjceml501mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "fanyb@gsta.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:30:34 -0000 --_000_F061CEB6876F904F8EA6D6B92877731C30506C8Bsjceml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. /Richard From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ros= s Callon Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:43 AM To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: fanyb@gsta.com; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt Working Group, This is to start Working Group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt Please send your comments to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf= .org). Please send both technical comments, and (if you are happy with the documen= t as is) also send indications of support. There is one IPR claim that applies to this draft, which can be seen at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/ The coauthors and contributor have indicated that they don't know of any ot= her IPR applicable to this draft. If anyone else in the working group is aware = of IPR claims against this draft, the time to disclose that is now. This working group last call will end on September 27, 2013. Ross for the wg co-chairs --_000_F061CEB6876F904F8EA6D6B92877731C30506C8Bsjceml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support.

 <= /p>

/Richard

 <= /p>

From: mpls-bou= nces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Callon
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:43 AM
To: mpls@ietf.org
Cc: fanyb@gsta.com; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt

 

Working Group,

 

This is to start Working Group last cal= l on  draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt

 

Please send your comments to the mpls w= orking group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

 

Please send both technical comments, an= d (if you are happy with the document as is)

also send indications of support.<= /o:p>

 

There is one IPR claim that applies to = this draft, which can be seen at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/i= pr/1941/

 

The coauthors and contributor have indi= cated that they don’t know of any other

IPR applicable to this draft. If anyone= else in the working group is aware of IPR

claims against this draft, the time to = disclose that is now.

 

This working group last call will end o= n September 27, 2013.

 

Ross

for the wg co-chairs<= /p>

 <= /p>

--_000_F061CEB6876F904F8EA6D6B92877731C30506C8Bsjceml501mbschi_-- From gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com Tue Sep 17 18:48:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB2D11E8497 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:48:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D5-pRg+aSeZi for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1009E11E8673 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:48:06 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-b7fe28e000000d82-29-52390656eb87 Received: from EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.93]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id C9.B8.03458.65609325; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 03:48:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.93]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:48:05 -0400 From: Gregory Mirsky To: "draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN) (martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com)" Thread-Topic: MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp Thread-Index: Ac60DNKd3rA+7VpjRZKFJsZDTsXmkw== Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:48:05 +0000 Message-ID: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B6EB874@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.134] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B6EB874eusaamb103erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrDLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPrG4Ym2WQwbUTshbNX70t7uz6wmrx /dISFotbS1eyOrB4tD7by+qxZMlPJo8vlz+zBTBHcdmkpOZklqUW6dslcGXc/fqQveB0TMWz L/fYGhjvBnYxcnJICJhIHDz+iQXCFpO4cG89WxcjF4eQwFFGiW0bjrJDOMsZJeZsuwpWxSZg JPFiYw9YQkRgFpPEwT9NTF2MHBzMAsoSp+7KgNQIC9hJfGm8wAxiiwg4S3Qva2aDsPUk1l89 DhZnEVCVeH3tDyOIzSvgK9F0/TiYzQh0xfdTa5hAbGYBcYlbT+YzQVwnILFkz3lmCFtU4uXj f6wQtrLEkif7WSDq8yX2LehghpgpKHFy5hOWCYzCs5CMmoWkbBaSMoi4jsSC3Z/YIGxtiWUL XzPD2GcOPGZCFl/AyL6KkaO0OLUsN93IcBMjMIaOSbA57mBc8MnyEKM0B4uSOO8GvTOBQgLp iSWp2ampBalF8UWlOanFhxiZODilGhh3mU7crLlildyibxWN8qGuLyNC2GQz/G8svnm1ePL3 ORkrmy+1Hn6g9+yzRuNmc+HtK1fE8MQwN+7tYatyun1uceGTi0dXBx0q2pB1/L2gr/9vjndn 9j2Z98THgClqlvGeI30nbb9eY9/Fk39Ra6n9VX9lttyZwpXKH95v37v3e5LG4/Wz4i+tUGIp zkg01GIuKk4EACPustlvAgAA Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:48:14 -0000 --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B6EB874eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Authors, WG co-chairs, Martin, et. al, I find that the draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp is: * coherent, well written; * operationally useful; * technically sound. Hence, in my opinion, it is ready to be considered for the WG adoption. As I was reading it I've made several notes that Authors may kindly conside= r for the next edited version: * may consider Terminology section and/or make expansion of acronym= s on first time used consistent; * Abstract s/Switches/Switched/ * use cross-references as currently Section 2 Introduction referenc= es itself as description of Option 1 (apparently it moved to Section 3 at s= ome time); * perhaps more descriptive tags for description of Option 1 and Opt= ion 2 can be used * reference to sub-section "Originating Source Active auto-discover= y routes" in Section 4 Option 2 is confusing since there are two sub-sectio= ns of the same name (Option 1 and Option 2) * should it be Informative References rather than Non-normative Ref= erences? Regards, Greg --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B6EB874eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Authors, WG co-chairs, Martin, et. al,

I find that the draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp = is:

·         coherent, well written;

·         operationally useful;

·         technically sound.

Hence, in my opinion, it is ready to be considered f= or the WG adoption.

 

As I was reading it I’ve made several notes th= at Authors may kindly consider for the next edited version:

·         may consider Terminology section and/or make= expansion of acronyms on first time used consistent;

·         Abstract s/Switches/Switched/

·         use cross-references as currently Section 2 = Introduction references itself as description of Option 1 (apparently it mo= ved to Section 3 at some time);

·         perhaps more descriptive tags for descriptio= n of Option 1 and Option 2 can be used

·         reference to sub-section “Originating = Source Active auto-discovery routes” in Section 4 Option 2 is confusi= ng since there are two sub-sections of the same name (Option 1 and Option 2= )

·         should it be Informative References rather t= han Non-normative References?

 

Regards,

    =             &nb= sp;       Greg

--_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B6EB874eusaamb103erics_-- From yakov@juniper.net Tue Sep 17 19:21:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CA311E8251 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:21:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ep3fwoOOLMUU for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (co1ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.185]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCFC11E8188 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail61-co1-R.bigfish.com (10.243.78.237) by CO1EHSOBE013.bigfish.com (10.243.66.76) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 02:21:51 +0000 Received: from mail61-co1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail61-co1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA84A000CA; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 02:21:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:66.129.224.54; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -1 X-BigFish: VPS-1(zz1432Izz1f42h208ch1ee6h1de0h1fdah2073h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ah1fc6hzzz2fh2a8h839h944hf0ah1220h1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h1ad9h1b0ah1b2fh1fb3h1d0ch1d2eh1d3fh1dfeh1dffh1fe8h1ff5h1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail61-co1: domain of juniper.net designates 66.129.224.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.129.224.54; envelope-from=yakov@juniper.net; helo=P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net ; SAC.jnpr.net ; Received: from mail61-co1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail61-co1 (MessageSwitch) id 1379470909300008_12294; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 02:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1EHSMHS025.bigfish.com (unknown [10.243.78.226]) by mail61-co1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4425BB40055; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 02:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net (66.129.224.54) by CO1EHSMHS025.bigfish.com (10.243.66.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 02:21:49 +0000 Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net (172.24.192.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:21:48 -0700 Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id r8I2LlL55278; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:21:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-ID: <201309180221.r8I2LlL55278@magenta.juniper.net> To: Gregory Mirsky In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B6EB874@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> References: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B6EB874@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> X-MH-In-Reply-To: Gregory Mirsky message dated "Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:48:05 -0000." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <28665.1379470907.1@juniper.net> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:21:47 -0700 From: Yakov Rekhter X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 02:21:58 -0000 Greg, > Dear Authors, WG co-chairs, Martin, et. al, > I find that the draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp is: > > * coherent, well written; > > * operationally useful; > > * technically sound. > Hence, in my opinion, it is ready to be considered for the WG adoption. Thanks. > As I was reading it I've made several notes that Authors may kindly consider > for the next edited version: > > * may consider Terminology section and/or make expansion of acronyms > on first time used consistent; I would be glad to expand acronyms on first time use. > * Abstract s/Switches/Switched/ Sure. > * use cross-references as currently Section 2 Introduction references > itself as description of Option 1 (apparently it moved to Section 3 at > some time); Sorry, my mistake. Will fix it. > * perhaps more descriptive tags for description of Option 1 and Option > 2 can be used Loa already asked me for this. Unfortunately I can not come up with any "more descriptive tags". But I would be glad to accept any suggestions/recommendations. > * reference to sub-section "Originating Source Active auto-discovery > routes" in Section 4 Option 2 is confusing since there are two sub-sections > of the same name (Option 1 and Option 2) Will fix this. > * should it be Informative References rather than Non-normative References? Will fix this. Thanks for your review. Yakov. From jie.dong@huawei.com Wed Sep 18 00:27:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A76611E81A8 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 00:27:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bwBl2ktL7S0s for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 00:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BD311E80E0 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 00:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AXY73406; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:27:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:27:18 +0100 Received: from NKGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.32) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:27:45 +0100 Received: from NKGEML512-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.191]) by nkgeml401-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.32]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:27:40 +0800 From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" To: Ross Callon , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHOr9cjpqZHecQOYUqzbCEzwiTwTZnLIU+A Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:27:39 +0000 Message-ID: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C9273350152D@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <98952a55996f40da8cbcb663561f580b@BLUPR05MB070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <98952a55996f40da8cbcb663561f580b@BLUPR05MB070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.197.194.102] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C9273350152Dnkgeml512mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "fanyb@gsta.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:27:56 -0000 --_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C9273350152Dnkgeml512mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. Best regards, Jie From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ros= s Callon Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:43 PM To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: fanyb@gsta.com; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt Working Group, This is to start Working Group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt Please send your comments to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf= .org). Please send both technical comments, and (if you are happy with the documen= t as is) also send indications of support. There is one IPR claim that applies to this draft, which can be seen at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/ The coauthors and contributor have indicated that they don't know of any ot= her IPR applicable to this draft. If anyone else in the working group is aware = of IPR claims against this draft, the time to disclose that is now. This working group last call will end on September 27, 2013. Ross for the wg co-chairs --_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C9273350152Dnkgeml512mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support.

 = ;

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Callon
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:43 PM
To: mpls@ietf.org
Cc: fanyb@gsta.com; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt

 

Working Group,

 =

This is to start Working= Group last call on  draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt

 =

Please send your comment= s to the mpls working group mailing list (= mpls@ietf.org).

 =

Please send both technic= al comments, and (if you are happy with the document as is)

also send indications of= support.

 =

There is one IPR claim t= hat applies to this draft, which can be seen at:

https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/

 =

The coauthors and contri= butor have indicated that they don’t know of any other

IPR applicable to this d= raft. If anyone else in the working group is aware of IPR

claims against this draf= t, the time to disclose that is now.

 =

This working group last = call will end on September 27, 2013.

 =

Ross

for the wg co-chairs

 = ;

--_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C9273350152Dnkgeml512mbxchi_-- From loa@pi.nu Wed Sep 18 04:41:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39B111E8252 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 04:41:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3yI8wbZgkH7c for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 04:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC2F11E8248 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 04:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.58] (81-229-83-119-no65.business.telia.com [81.229.83.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1340918014F6; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:41:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <52399165.7060304@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:41:25 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv@tools.ietf.org, "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:41:29 -0000 Working Group, this is to start a two week+ working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv-05. Please send your comment to working group mailing lists (mpls@ietf.org). We did an IPR poll on this document prior to starting the wglc. All the authors responded to the IPR poll that they are not aware of any IPR's relating to this document. There are no IPRs disclosed against this document. The working group last call will end Friday October 4, 2913. /Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From agmalis@gmail.com Wed Sep 18 06:20:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CB211E8289 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:20:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.209, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vHAs31VfsA1J for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22a.google.com (mail-we0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A1C11E824C for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id w62so6572727wes.1 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:20:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ouh14jXqiyv3N68VIiLFHxJmWmPz7iyq3K9J4E8xRkw=; b=St6mme2Se4lTf72dC+XhApQqmHdQStwJPJR9061Xbx7wIJ33E1AXA+o1016ML9UiDx DPMEXm8klsRK5w6Jbvqwz9iEhOGBh0y8TD0Tz4JPgny8acLGaksPqi6ehP9wB7HrAiQm BqR/tfgIwuoNYTSa47FSAGlnuh7cWZL73uHWDZJZnuluRMlb+EeawB5FJ+1uidBnbsn6 MSwnoOq7hQRIwGhkWyLvqu/jB9+ONhaZkCKkQK3Lq0Yni/wn6vBPKi3uQnal9qIM7JQ8 UUacmGKRGn3eRCgjYnZOGHLHBh7PKZlAT0yEm1zYggGIdDarV4l2r7VNgJscFYHjpkw2 KhHg== X-Received: by 10.180.229.103 with SMTP id sp7mr7234882wic.2.1379510429061; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:20:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.54.6 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:20:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52399165.7060304@pi.nu> References: <52399165.7060304@pi.nu> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:20:08 -0400 Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:20:31 -0000 Loa, Other than an editorial pass (such as fixing a run-on sentence in the third paragraph of section 1 and some extra blank lines here and there), this draft looks ready for publication. Cheers, Andy On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > this is to start a two week+ working group last call on > draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv-05. > > Please send your comment to working group mailing lists (mpls@ietf.org). > > We did an IPR poll on this document prior to starting the wglc. > All the authors responded to the IPR poll that they are not aware of > any IPR's relating to this document. > > There are no IPRs disclosed against this document. > > The working group last call will end Friday October 4, 2913. > > /Loa > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From spencer.giacalone@thomsonreuters.com Wed Sep 18 09:15:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A83311E82AF for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:15:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mDAyOfVbtEvP for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout2-trp.thomsonreuters.com (mailout2-trp.thomsonreuters.com [163.231.6.26]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C162C11E8124 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trpusmneagrly02.int.westgroup.com (relay2 [163.231.22.113]) by mailout2-trp.thomsonreuters.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r8IGFcQ6026543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:15:38 GMT Received: from EAGE-ERFPHUB06.ERF.thomson.com (EAGE-ERFPHUB06.erf.thomson.com [163.231.23.45]) by trpusmneagrly02.int.westgroup.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r8IGFaDc012877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:15:37 GMT Received: from C195DQZEHUB07.ERF.THOMSON.COM (163.231.29.205) by EAGE-ERFPHUB06.ERF.thomson.com (163.231.23.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.3; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:15:36 -0500 Received: from C111HBREMBX71.ERF.thomson.com ([fe80::592b:dd83:9937:cc0b]) by C195DQZEHUB07.ERF.thomson.com ([fe80::1cfc:a5f0:ea4b:b5f5%14]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:15:36 -0500 From: To: , , Thread-Topic: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path Thread-Index: AQHOsE8UpnsBK+tmZEmPrEIAgK2v55nD6l4AgATv5gCAAtmkwA== Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:15:35 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5232B821.6050905@pi.nu> <2c5ff0feece24270aee18887c5881e72@BY2PR05MB142.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <2c5ff0feece24270aee18887c5881e72@BY2PR05MB142.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.206.30.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CDFBD39D51B6734A9402D4B52ABDF05901CC0CB9C111HBREMBX71ER_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:00:24 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org, mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:15:52 -0000 --_000_CDFBD39D51B6734A9402D4B52ABDF05901CC0CB9C111HBREMBX71ER_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path. Spencer From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 11:44 AM To: Alia Atlas; Loa Andersson Cc: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-= path Subject: RE: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path. Yours Irrespectively, John From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-boun= ces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alia Atlas Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:20 AM To: Loa Andersson Cc: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Loa Andersson = > wrote: Working Group, The authors of draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be polled to see if we consensus to make it a working group draft. Before starting the wg poll we want to run an IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te- express-path? I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path. Alia If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --_000_CDFBD39D51B6734A9402D4B52ABDF05901CC0CB9C111HBREMBX71ER_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am not aware of any IPR= that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path.

 <= /p>

Spencer=

 <= /p>

From: John E D= rake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 11:44 AM
To: Alia Atlas; Loa Andersson
Cc: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-atlas-mpls-te-e= xpress-path
Subject: RE: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path

 

I am not aware of any IPR= that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path.

 <= /p>

Yours Irrespectively,

 <= /p>

John

 <= /p>

From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alia Atlas
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:20 AM
To: Loa Andersson
Cc: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path
Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path

 

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Loa Andersson <<= a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">loa@pi.nu> wrote:=

Working Group,

The authors of  draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path has told the
working group chairs that the draft is ready to be polled to see if
we consensus to make it a working group draft.

Before starting the wg poll we want to run an IPR poll.

This mail starts that IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atlas-mpls-te-
express-path?

 

I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-atla= s-mpls-te-express-path.

 

Alia 

 

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance wit= h IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response
has been received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.


Thanks, Loa
(as MPLS WG co-chair)
--


Loa Andersson           &nb= sp;            email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
Senior MPLS Expert          = ;                loa@pi.nu
Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone= : +46 739 81 21 64
_______________________________________________
mpls mailing list
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Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:07:50 -0500 From: "Nobo Akiya (nobo)" To: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" Thread-Topic: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv Thread-Index: AQHOtGQIfUJh4fDhl0WgTeyo8GGfWpnLx7FA Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:07:50 +0000 Message-ID: References: <52399165.7060304@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <52399165.7060304@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.104] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-tlv X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:08:04 -0000 Hi, I have read the draft, and support its publication, as it provides a soluti= on to a valid problem. -Nobo > -----Original Message----- > From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Loa Andersson > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 7:41 AM > To: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-t= tl- > tlv@tools.ietf.org; VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN) > Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-ttl-t= lv >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > this is to start a two week+ working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-l= sp- > ping-ttl-tlv-05. >=20 > Please send your comment to working group mailing lists (mpls@ietf.org). >=20 > We did an IPR poll on this document prior to starting the wglc. > All the authors responded to the IPR poll that they are not aware of any > IPR's relating to this document. >=20 > There are no IPRs disclosed against this document. >=20 > The working group last call will end Friday October 4, 2913. >=20 > /Loa > -- >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com Wed Sep 18 15:40:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C31111E828B for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Yakov, would the following be accurate and short enough for tags: * Option 1 - Non-transitive mapping of IP multicast shared tree over = MPLS network * Option 2 - Transitive mapping of IP multicast shared tree over MPLS= network Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Yakov Rekhter [mailto:yakov@juniper.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:22 PM To: Gregory Mirsky Cc: draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.i= etf.org; VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN) (martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com); = mpls@ietf.org Subject: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp Greg, > Dear Authors, WG co-chairs, Martin, et. al, I find that the > draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp is: > > * coherent, well written; > > * operationally useful; > > * technically sound. > Hence, in my opinion, it is ready to be considered for the WG adoption. Thanks. > As I was reading it I've made several notes that Authors may kindly > consider for the next edited version: > > * may consider Terminology section and/or make expansion of acronyms > on first time used consistent; I would be glad to expand acronyms on first time use. > * Abstract s/Switches/Switched/ Sure. > * use cross-references as currently Section 2 Introduction references > itself as description of Option 1 (apparently it moved to Section 3 at > some time); Sorry, my mistake. Will fix it. > * perhaps more descriptive tags for description of Option 1 and > Option > 2 can be used Loa already asked me for this. Unfortunately I can not come up with any "mo= re descriptive tags". But I would be glad to accept any suggestions/recomme= ndations. > * reference to sub-section "Originating Source Active auto-discovery > routes" in Section 4 Option 2 is confusing since there are two > sub-sections of the same name (Option 1 and Option 2) Will fix this. > * should it be Informative References rather than Non-normative Reference= s? Will fix this. Thanks for your review. Yakov. --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B6EC08Feusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Yakov,
would the following be accurate and short enough for tags:
  • Option 1 - Non-transitive mapping of IP multicast shared tree over = ; MPLS network
  • Option 2 - Transitive mapping of IP multicast shared= tree over MPLS network
 
        Regards,
           &nbs= p;    Greg
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Yakov Rekhter [mailto:yakov@juni= per.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:22 PM
To: Gregory Mirsky
Cc: draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.i= etf.org; VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN) (martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com); = mpls@ietf.org
Subject: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp
 
Greg,
 
> Dear Authors, WG co-chairs, Martin, et. al, I find that the
> draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp is:
>
> *         coherent, well = written;
>
> *         operationally u= seful;
>
> *         technically sou= nd.
> Hence, in my opinion, it is ready to be considered for the WG ado= ption.
 
Thanks.
 
> As I was reading it I've made several notes that Authors may kind= ly
> consider for the next edited version:
>
> *  may consider Terminology section and/or make expansion of= acronyms
> on first time used consistent;
 
I would be glad to expand acronyms on first time use.
 
> *         Abstract s/Swit= ches/Switched/
 
Sure.
 
> *  use cross-references as currently Section 2 Introduction = references
> itself as description of Option 1 (apparently it moved to Section= 3 at
> some time);
 
Sorry, my mistake. Will fix it.
 
> *  perhaps more descriptive tags for description of Option 1= and
> Option
> 2 can be used
 
Loa already asked me for this. Unfortunately I can not come up with an= y "more descriptive tags". But I would be glad to accept any sugg= estions/recommendations.
 
> * reference to sub-section "Originating Source Active auto-d= iscovery
> routes" in Section 4 Option 2 is confusing since there are t= wo
> sub-sections of the same name (Option 1 and Option 2)
 
Will fix this.
 
> * should it be Informative References rather than Non-normative R= eferences?
 
Will fix this.
 
Thanks for your review.
 
Yakov.
 
 
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Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:44:54 -0500 From: "Nobo Akiya (nobo)" To: "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-akiya-mpls-lsp-ping-reply-mode-simple-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHOtW8KfNrwsLldjUmtcBP++WoI2ZnNdIxg Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:44:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20130919193252.3761.67065.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20130919193252.3761.67065.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.104] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "Shaleen Saxena \(ssaxena\)" Subject: [mpls] FW: New Version Notification for draft-akiya-mpls-lsp-ping-reply-mode-simple-00.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:45:01 -0000 SGksDQoNCldlIHdvdWxkIGJlIGludGVyZXN0ZWQgaW4gY29tbWVudHMvZmVlZGJhY2sgb24gdGhp cyBkb2N1bWVudC4gVGhlIGRvY3VtZW50IGFpbXMgdG8gc2ltcGxpZnkgTFNQIHBpbmcvdHJhY2Ug UmVwbHkgTW9kZSBhc3BlY3QuDQoNClJlZ2FyZHMsDQpOb2JvLCBvbiBiZWhhbGYgb2YgZG9jdW1l bnQgYXV0aG9ycw0KDQo+IC0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tDQo+IEZyb206IGludGVy bmV0LWRyYWZ0c0BpZXRmLm9yZyBbbWFpbHRvOmludGVybmV0LWRyYWZ0c0BpZXRmLm9yZ10NCj4g U2VudDogVGh1cnNkYXksIFNlcHRlbWJlciAxOSwgMjAxMyAzOjMzIFBNDQo+IFRvOiBMb2EgQW5k ZXJzc29uOyBOb2JvIEFraXlhIChub2JvKTsgR2VvcmdlIFN3YWxsb3cgKHN3YWxsb3cpOyBNYWNo DQo+IENoZW47IENhcmxvcyBQaWduYXRhcm8gKGNwaWduYXRhKTsgTWFjaCBDaGVuDQo+IFN1Ympl Y3Q6IE5ldyBWZXJzaW9uIE5vdGlmaWNhdGlvbiBmb3IgZHJhZnQtYWtpeWEtbXBscy1sc3AtcGlu Zy1yZXBseS0NCj4gbW9kZS1zaW1wbGUtMDAudHh0DQo+IA0KPiANCj4gQSBuZXcgdmVyc2lvbiBv ZiBJLUQsIGRyYWZ0LWFraXlhLW1wbHMtbHNwLXBpbmctcmVwbHktbW9kZS1zaW1wbGUtMDAudHh0 DQo+IGhhcyBiZWVuIHN1Y2Nlc3NmdWxseSBzdWJtaXR0ZWQgYnkgTm9ibyBBa2l5YSBhbmQgcG9z dGVkIHRvIHRoZSBJRVRGDQo+IHJlcG9zaXRvcnkuDQo+IA0KPiBGaWxlbmFtZToJIGRyYWZ0LWFr aXlhLW1wbHMtbHNwLXBpbmctcmVwbHktbW9kZS1zaW1wbGUNCj4gUmV2aXNpb246CSAwMA0KPiBU aXRsZToJCSBMYWJlbCBTd2l0Y2hlZCBQYXRoIChMU1ApIFBpbmcvVHJhY2UgUmVwbHkgTW9kZQ0K PiBTaW1wbGlmaWNhdGlvbg0KPiBDcmVhdGlvbiBkYXRlOgkgMjAxMy0wOS0xOQ0KPiBHcm91cDoJ CSBJbmRpdmlkdWFsIFN1Ym1pc3Npb24NCj4gTnVtYmVyIG9mIHBhZ2VzOiA4DQo+IFVSTDogICAg ICAgICAgICAgaHR0cDovL3d3dy5pZXRmLm9yZy9pbnRlcm5ldC1kcmFmdHMvZHJhZnQtYWtpeWEt bXBscy1sc3AtcGluZy1yZXBseS1tb2RlLXNpbXBsZS0wMC50eHQNCj4gU3RhdHVzOiAgICAgICAg ICBodHRwOi8vZGF0YXRyYWNrZXIuaWV0Zi5vcmcvZG9jL2RyYWZ0LWFraXlhLW1wbHMtbHNwLXBp bmctcmVwbHktbW9kZS1zaW1wbGUNCj4gSHRtbGl6ZWQ6ICAgICAgICBodHRwOi8vdG9vbHMuaWV0 Zi5vcmcvaHRtbC9kcmFmdC1ha2l5YS1tcGxzLWxzcC1waW5nLXJlcGx5LW1vZGUtc2ltcGxlLTAw DQo+IA0KPiANCj4gQWJzdHJhY3Q6DQo+ICAgIFRoaXMgZG9jdW1lbnQgYWRkcyB0d28gcmVwbHkg bW9kZXMgdG8gYmUgdXNlZCBieSBNdWx0aXByb3RvY29sIExhYmVsDQo+ICAgIFN3aXRjaGluZyAo TVBMUykgTGFiZWwgU3dpdGNoZWQgUGF0aCAoTFNQKSBQaW5nIGFuZCBUcmFjZXJvdXRlOiBvbmUN Cj4gICAgcmVwbHkgbW9kZSB0byBpbmRpY2F0ZSByZXZlcnNlIExTUCBhbmQgb25lIHJlcGx5IG1v ZGUgdG8gYWxsb3cNCj4gICAgcmVzcG9uZGVyIHRvIGNob29zZSByZXBseSBtb2RlIGZyb20gcHJl LWRlZmluZWQgc2V0LiAgVGhpcyBkb2N1bWVudA0KPiAgICBhbHNvIGFkZHMgYW4gb3B0aW9uYWwg VExWIHdoaWNoIGNhbiBjYXJyeSBvcmRlcmVkIGxpc3Qgb2YgcmVwbHkNCj4gICAgbW9kZXMuDQo+ IA0KPiAgICBUaGlzIGRvY3VtZW50IHVwZGF0ZXMgW1JGQzQzNzldLg0KPiANCj4gDQo+IA0KPiAN Cj4gDQo+IFBsZWFzZSBub3RlIHRoYXQgaXQgbWF5IHRha2UgYSBjb3VwbGUgb2YgbWludXRlcyBm cm9tIHRoZSB0aW1lIG9mDQo+IHN1Ym1pc3Npb24gdW50aWwgdGhlIGh0bWxpemVkIHZlcnNpb24g YW5kIGRpZmYgYXJlIGF2YWlsYWJsZSBhdCB0b29scy5pZXRmLm9yZy4NCj4gDQo+IFRoZSBJRVRG IFNlY3JldGFyaWF0DQoNCg== From adrian@olddog.co.uk Thu Sep 19 18:25:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A82521F8424 for ; 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Fri, 20 Sep 2013 02:25:31 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , "'Arun Viswanathan'" , Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 02:25:30 +0100 Message-ID: <072801ceb5a0$4bd38030$e37a8090$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac61oDsbxanW+B9DRNSbxXCNQMCapA== Content-Language: en-gb Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Help with Errata for "Multiprotocol Label Switching Architecture" X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 01:25:42 -0000 Trying again with a more explicit subject line. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Adrian Farrel > Sent: 17 September 2013 23:13 > To: erosen@cisco.com; Arun Viswanathan; rcallon@juniper.net > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > Subject: [mpls] Errata report for RFC 3031 > > Hi, > > Renato Westphal raised http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3689 > > In this he questions the action in downstream-on-demand independent mode > when the downstream neighbor does not have a next hop for the requested > prefix. > > The I-D says that the case is N/A, by which I assume it is intended to imply > that the case cannot arise. > > Renato believes that the action should be 'RequestRetry' claiming that 'N/A' can > only apply if the Request Procedure is 'RequestNever'. > > Your opinions please. > > Thanks, > Adrian From adrian@olddog.co.uk Thu Sep 19 18:26:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2216721F8A38 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:26:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.572 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.572 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1WQS3jTD3VVP for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (asmtp5.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.176]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F9021F8AF4 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r8K1QRsZ001432; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 02:26:27 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r8K1QPZ1001424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 20 Sep 2013 02:26:26 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , , "'Rahul Aggarwal'" Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 02:26:24 +0100 Message-ID: <072901ceb5a0$6c8abeb0$45a03c10$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac61oGo82kBWmvAeTK2LvF+r+XIuMQ== Content-Language: en-gb Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Help with Errata for "MPLS Upstream Label Assignment and Context-Specific Label Space" X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 01:26:38 -0000 Retrying this one as well. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Adrian Farrel > Sent: 17 September 2013 22:57 > To: yakov@juniper.net; erosen@cisco.com; 'Rahul Aggarwal' > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > Subject: [mpls] Errata in RFC 5331 > > Hi, > > Liu Lin recently raised two Errata reports against RFC 5331. > > I would like you help in clarifying the intent of the document. > > In http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3726 Liu notes that Section > 6 says: > > > In the former case, an LSR distributes an upstream-assigned > > label binding for a FEC F if it is either (a) the ingress LSR > > for FEC F, or (b) if it has already received an upstream label > > binding for that FEC from its adjacent upstream LSR for FEC F, > > or (c) if it has received a request for a downstream label > > binding from its upstream adjacent LSR. > > He suggests that case (c) is broken and should read: > > | (c) if it has received a request for a upstream label > | binding from its downstream adjacent LSR. > > I suspect that the original text may have intended to imply that when an LSR > receives a request for a downstream label from its upstream adjacent LSR then it > will use this as a trigger to send an upstream-assigned label to its downstream > adjacent LSR. > > If so, the text is correct and I will reject the Errata. > > Your opinions, please. > > Thanks, > Adrian From sriganeshkini@gmail.com Fri Sep 20 16:06:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A4F21F9EE9 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:06:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.838 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.838 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.139, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dYZgeKO9MGXV for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x22c.google.com (mail-pa0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22c]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC49121F9EF6 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id fz6so1273735pac.3 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:06:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=pIYVm/hQQZCOLCp5NqgWd0Mc46bxAI4lHN0Qj5Yqr8I=; b=hNoJa9kVsYvSdrVBxka6TUE4Sk7i1xboD2ycQKvrezAdJc/zL3z/eBdyJfBKlB2Rcw UTyNZSquDYcsGsXzeOoEVhkJdmd4EvmyMw71JlZ269kxv3M2S8pDUiSNrN8FJdPvg3zC P7gOYUzovDCu3tFA7EY7lBMI5OSk9X9bGxO0cIpK7lTUpJBdr6ObZ6JCF/Ul+y6A0S+l tcAZcb3oKC1QceE168ac5wd519rPU+zfm9qkPxmsCFFyl8Ze2zVH3FSfCD1l9WdRGyYv /aREJC2qPVI1cwLQx6SxsPTT8m5AFAlh6JS3hpO+IogpUbBw1C8mXdz3S/cGJhUeAag/ UQPQ== X-Received: by 10.67.1.203 with SMTP id bi11mr11473257pad.137.1379718381788; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:06:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sriganeshkini@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.0.225 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:05:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <98952a55996f40da8cbcb663561f580b@BLUPR05MB070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <98952a55996f40da8cbcb663561f580b@BLUPR05MB070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> From: Sriganesh Kini Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:05:51 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: L7jXWWOtsVg8Z5xnYSJf3rWLbds Message-ID: To: Ross Callon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d37dc09655c04e6d8b840 Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "fanyb@gsta.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 23:06:42 -0000 --047d7b5d37dc09655c04e6d8b840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is no reference cited for the "MPLS-in-IP" encapsulation. What is the applicability of this encapsulation compared to the generalized mechanism in draft-quinn-vxlan-gpe ? - Sri On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Ross Callon wrote: > Working Group,**** > > **** > > This is to start Working Group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.tx= t > **** > > **** > > Please send your comments to the mpls working group mailing list ( > mpls@ietf.org).**** > > **** > > Please send both technical comments, and (if you are happy with the > document as is) **** > > also send indications of support.**** > > **** > > There is one IPR claim that applies to this draft, which can be seen at:*= * > ** > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/**** > > ** ** > > The coauthors and contributor have indicated that they don=E2=80=99t know= of any > other **** > > IPR applicable to this draft. If anyone else in the working group is awar= e > of IPR **** > > claims against this draft, the time to disclose that is now.**** > > **** > > This working group last call will end on September 27, 2013.**** > > **** > > Ross**** > > for the wg co-chairs**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > --047d7b5d37dc09655c04e6d8b840 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is no reference cited for the "MPLS-in-IP&= quot; encapsulation.

What is the applicability= of this encapsulation compared to the generalized mechanism in=C2=A0draft-= quinn-vxlan-gpe ?

- Sri


On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Ross Callon <rc= allon@juniper.net> wrote:

Working Group,

=C2=A0

This is to start Working Group last cal= l on=C2=A0 draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt

=C2=A0

Please send your comments to the mpls w= orking group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

=C2=A0

Please send both technical comments, an= d (if you are happy with the document as is)

also send indications of support.

=C2=A0

There is one IPR claim that applies to = this draft, which can be seen at:

https://data= tracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/

=C2=A0

The coauthors and contributor have indi= cated that they don=E2=80=99t know of any other

IPR applicable to this draft. If anyone= else in the working group is aware of IPR

claims against this draft, the time to = disclose that is now.

=C2=A0

This working group last call will end o= n September 27, 2013.

=C2=A0

Ross

for the wg co-chairs

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--047d7b5d37dc09655c04e6d8b840-- From ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org Sun Sep 22 20:28:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D683D11E817F for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:28:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.533 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.533 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h69h1x8wJvod for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D18711E8185 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:28:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.72 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130923032819.20496.51461.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:28:19 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Subject: [mpls] Milestones changed for mpls WG X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 03:28:20 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp for publication", resolved as "Done". URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ From ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org Sun Sep 22 20:33:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DB611E818B for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:33:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.533 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.533 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LUdvB0wUp4V1 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB44011E818C for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:33:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.72 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130923033354.20496.54308.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:33:54 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Subject: [mpls] Milestones changed for mpls WG X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 03:33:55 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit draft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping for publication", resolved as "Done". Changed milestone "Submit draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp for publication", reverted to not being resolved. URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ From loa@pi.nu Sun Sep 22 21:28:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBCD11E8195; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:28:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3PocMuOYY6xn; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBFD11E8190; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [112.208.59.125]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED7321802038; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:28:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <523FC367.5070104@pi.nu> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:28:23 +0800 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" , karp@ietf.org, "pwe3@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello-crypto-auth@tools.ietf.org References: <52208E2E.1020007@pi.nu> <5229C484.1080202@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <5229C484.1080202@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] Restart: Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello-crypto-auth-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 04:28:37 -0000 Working Groups, This working group last call has been closed. Authors, There were comments sent to the mpls wg mailing list can you make sure that these comments are addressed. There were also been (at least a start of) a discussion on the karp wg mailing, can you please close loops with the participants of that discussion to see if there are additional comments as compared to the ones that were sent to the mpls mailing list. We have also requested an RTG-directorate review of the document, but have not seen it yet, as soon as the review show up (should be sent to the mailing lists) please address these comments also. /Loa for the mpls wg co-chairs On 2013-09-06 20:03, Loa Andersson wrote: > MPLS, KARP and PWE3 working groups, > > We started a working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello- > crypto-auth lastt week. However I made a mistake when sending it > out, in addition to the MPLS wg it should also have gone to KARP. > I think it could also be of interest for PWE3. > > I've therefore extended the the wglc until Sep 20 to give KARP and > PWE3 a chance to comment. > > However the comments should be sent to mpls@ietf.org. > > /Loa > for the mpls wg co-chairs > > ---------------------------original message ------------------------- > > Working Group, > > this is to start a two week working group last call on > draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello-crypto-auth-02. > > Please send your comment to working group mailing lists (mpls@ietf.org). > > We did an IPR poll on this document prior to accepting it as > a working group document. All the authors responded to the IPR poll > that they are not aware of IPR's relating to this document. > > There are no IPRs disclosed against this document. > > The working group last call will end Friday September 13, 2913. > > /Loa > > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From xuxiaohu@huawei.com Sun Sep 22 23:02:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB88511E817B for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.066 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.066 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.080, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_UTF8=0.152] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost 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HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.3.225 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:09:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <52303B3B.1060308@pi.nu> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:09:50 +0800 Message-ID: From: Lizhong Jin To: mpls@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d4e5cd7673604e70d928b Subject: [mpls] Fwd: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:09:55 -0000 --047d7b5d4e5cd7673604e70d928b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Forward to the list. Lizhong ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Lizhong Jin" Date: Sep 23, 2013 9:30 PM Subject: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp To: Cc: "Gregory Mirsky" , "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" < rajiva@cisco.com>, "Xuxiaohu" , " mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" , "Loa Andersson" < loa@pi.nu> > Hi authors, > I review draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp-06, and think it is useful and ready for WG adoption. > Several comments are as follows: > 1. Section 2. I think the option 1 and option 2 could not interoperate with each other, and operators should ensure one same option is deployed in one network. It is better to explicitly say that. > 2. Is there any plan to keep one option, e.g, remove option 1 in future? Option1 does not provide the same function of PIM-SM ASM, e.g, traffic would be potentially lost before setting up P2MP LSP. > 3. Section 4.2. It is not clear how to trigger the mLDP Label Map with the Transit IPv4/IPv6 Source TLV. The procedures in RFC6826 only apply to PIM-SSM, not PIM-SM ASM. Then I suggest to explicitly say: "When a router (maybe DR on a LAN) initiates a transfer from the shared tree to a source-specific shortest-path tree (SPT), it will issue an (S,G) Join. The LSR may initiate a mLDP Label Map with the Transit IPv4/IPv6 Source TLV for (S, G) when receiving this (S,G) Join." Or other description with similar meaning. > 4. If possible, it would be helpful for the readers to include one example for option2 in the draft, like RFC6826 section2. > Regards > Lizhong > > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Loa Andersson wrote: >> >> Lizhong, Greg, Rajiv and Xiaohu, >> >> You have been selected as MPLS Review team reviewers for >> draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp-06. >> >> Note to authors: You have been CC'd on this email so that you can know >> that this review is going on. However, please do not review your own >> document. >> >> Reviews should comment on whether the document is coherent, is it >> useful (ie, is it likely to be actually useful in operational >> networks), and is the document technically sound? We are interested >> in knowing whether the document is ready to be considered for WG >> adoption (ie, it doesn't have to be perfect at this point, but should be >> a good start). >> >> Reviews should be sent to the document authors, WG co-chairs and >> WG secretary, and CC'd to the MPLS WG email list. If necessary, comments >> may be sent privately to only the WG chairs. >> >> Are you able to review this draft by Sep 25, 2013? >> >> >> Thanks, Loa >> (as MPLS WG chair) >> >> -- >> >> >> Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >> Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >> Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > --047d7b5d4e5cd7673604e70d928b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Forward to the list.

Lizhong

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Lizhong Jin" <li= zho.jin@gmail.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2013 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp
To: <draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org>
Cc: "Gregory Mirsky" <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)"= ; <rajiva@cisco.com>, "X= uxiaohu" <xuxiaohu@huawei.co= m>, "mpls-chairs@= tools.ietf.org" <= mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" = <martin.vigoureux= @alcatel-lucent.com>, "Loa Andersson" <loa@pi.nu>

> Hi authors,
> I review draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp-06, and think it is usefu= l and ready for WG adoption.
> Several comments are as follows:
> 1. Section 2. I think the option 1 and option 2 could not interoperate= with each other, and operators should ensure one same option is deployed i= n one network. It is better to explicitly say that.
> 2. Is there any plan to keep one option, e.g, remove option 1 in futur= e? Option1 does not provide the same function of PIM-SM ASM, e.g, traffic w= ould be potentially lost before setting up P2MP LSP.
> 3. Section 4.2. It is not clear how to trigger the mLDP Label Map with= the Transit IPv4/IPv6 Source TLV. The procedures in RFC6826 only apply to = PIM-SSM, not PIM-SM ASM. Then I suggest to explicitly say: "When a rou= ter (maybe DR on a LAN) initiates a transfer from the shared tree to a sour= ce-specific shortest-path tree (SPT), it will issue an (S,G) Join. The LSR = may initiate a mLDP Label Map with the Transit IPv4/IPv6 Source TLV for (S,= G) when receiving this (S,G) Join." Or other description with similar= meaning.
> 4. If possible, it would be helpful for the readers to include one exa= mple for option2 in the draft, like RFC6826 section2.
> Regards
> Lizhong
>
> =A0
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
>>
>> Lizhong, Greg, Rajiv and Xiaohu,
>>
>> You have been selected as MPLS Review team reviewers for
>> draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp-06.
>>
>> Note to authors: You have been CC'd on this email so that you = can know
>> that this review is going on. However, please do not review your o= wn
>> document.
>>
>> Reviews should comment on whether the document is coherent, is it<= br> >> useful (ie, is it likely to be actually useful in operational
>> networks), and is the document technically sound? =A0We are intere= sted
>> in knowing whether the document is ready to be considered for WG >> adoption (ie, it doesn't have to be perfect at this point, but= should be
>> a good start).
>>
>> Reviews should be sent to the document authors, WG co-chairs and >> WG secretary, and CC'd to the MPLS WG email list. If necessary= , comments
>> may be sent privately to only the WG chairs.
>>
>> Are you able to review this draft by Sep 25, 2013?
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Loa
>> (as MPLS WG chair)
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Loa Andersson =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0email= : loa@mail01.huawei.com
>> Senior MPLS Expert =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0loa@pi.nu
>> Huawei Technologies (consultant) =A0 =A0 phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >
>

--047d7b5d4e5cd7673604e70d928b-- From yakov@juniper.net Mon Sep 23 07:50:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A2821F8C0C for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:50:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FdhfjiGDrFn0 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from am1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (am1ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.204]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0C921F8F32 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail36-am1-R.bigfish.com (10.3.201.239) by AM1EHSOBE017.bigfish.com (10.3.207.139) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:50:22 +0000 Received: from mail36-am1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail36-am1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD041E0154; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:50:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:66.129.224.52; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -18 X-BigFish: VPS-18(zz9371Ic85fh542I1432I9fb8kzz1f42h208ch1ee6h1de0h1fdah2073h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ah1fc6hzz8275ch1de098h1033IL1de097h8275dh74efjz2fh2a8h839h944hf0ah1220h1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h1ad9h1b0ah1b2fh1fb3h1d0ch1d2eh1d3fh1dfeh1dffh1fe8h1ff5h1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail36-am1: domain of juniper.net designates 66.129.224.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.129.224.52; envelope-from=yakov@juniper.net; helo=P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net ; SAC.jnpr.net ; Received: from mail36-am1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail36-am1 (MessageSwitch) id 1379947820474101_5298; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM1EHSMHS021.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.201.228]) by mail36-am1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8F8E0055; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net (66.129.224.52) by AM1EHSMHS021.bigfish.com (10.3.207.150) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:50:17 +0000 Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net (172.24.192.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:50:15 -0700 Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id r8NEoBL01360; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:50:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-ID: <201309231450.r8NEoBL01360@magenta.juniper.net> To: Gregory Mirsky In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B6EC08F@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> References: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B6EB874@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <201309180221.r8I2LlL55278@magenta.juniper.net> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B6EC08F@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> X-MH-In-Reply-To: Gregory Mirsky message dated "Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:40:21 -0000." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <81754.1379947811.1@juniper.net> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:50:11 -0700 From: Yakov Rekhter X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Cc: "draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:50:29 -0000 Greg, > Hi Yakov, > would the following be accurate and short enough for tags: > * Option 1 - Non-transitive mapping of IP multicast shared tree over = > MPLS network > * Option 2 - Transitive mapping of IP multicast shared tree over MPLS= > network I shorten both to just * Option 1 - Non-transitive mapping of IP multicast shared tree * Option 2 - Transitive mapping of IP multicast shared tree This is to make each of them fit into a single line in ToC. Yakov. > > Regards, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yakov Rekhter [mailto:yakov@juniper.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:22 PM > To: Gregory Mirsky > Cc: draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.i= > etf.org; VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN) (martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com); = > mpls@ietf.org > Subject: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp > > Greg, > > > Dear Authors, WG co-chairs, Martin, et. al, I find that the > > draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp is: > > > > * coherent, well written; > > > > * operationally useful; > > > > * technically sound. > > Hence, in my opinion, it is ready to be considered for the WG adoption. > > Thanks. > > > As I was reading it I've made several notes that Authors may kindly > > consider for the next edited version: > > > > * may consider Terminology section and/or make expansion of acronyms > > on first time used consistent; > > I would be glad to expand acronyms on first time use. > > > * Abstract s/Switches/Switched/ > > Sure. > > > * use cross-references as currently Section 2 Introduction references > > itself as description of Option 1 (apparently it moved to Section 3 at > > some time); > > Sorry, my mistake. Will fix it. > > > * perhaps more descriptive tags for description of Option 1 and > > Option > > 2 can be used > > Loa already asked me for this. Unfortunately I can not come up with any "mo= > re descriptive tags". But I would be glad to accept any suggestions/recomme= > ndations. > > > * reference to sub-section "Originating Source Active auto-discovery > > routes" in Section 4 Option 2 is confusing since there are two > > sub-sections of the same name (Option 1 and Option 2) > > Will fix this. > > > * should it be Informative References rather than Non-normative Reference= > s? > > Will fix this. > > Thanks for your review. > > Yakov. > > > > --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B6EC08Feusaamb103erics_ > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > > > > >
Hi Yakov,
>
would the following be accurate and short enough for tags:
>
    >
  • Option 1 - Non-transitive mapping of IP multicast shared tree over = > ; MPLS network
  • Option 2 - Transitive mapping of IP multicast shared= > tree over MPLS network
>
 
>
        Regards,
>
           &nbs= > p;    Greg
>
 
>
-----Original Message-----
> > From: Yakov Rekhter [mailto:yakov@juni= > per.net] >
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:22 PM
> > To: Gregory Mirsky
> > Cc: draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.i= > etf.org; VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN) (martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com); = > mpls@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp
>
 
>
Greg,
>
 
>
> Dear Authors, WG co-chairs, Martin, et. al, I find that the > >
> draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp is:
>
>
>
> *         coherent, well = > written;
>
>
>
> *         operationally u= > seful;
>
>
>
> *         technically sou= > nd.
>
> Hence, in my opinion, it is ready to be considered for the WG ado= > ption.
>
 
>
Thanks.
>
 
>
> As I was reading it I've made several notes that Authors may kind= > ly
>
> consider for the next edited version:
>
>
>
> *  may consider Terminology section and/or make expansion of= > acronyms
>
> on first time used consistent;
>
 
>
I would be glad to expand acronyms on first time use.
>
 
>
> *         Abstract s/Swit= > ches/Switched/
>
 
>
Sure.
>
 
>
> *  use cross-references as currently Section 2 Introduction = > references
>
> itself as description of Option 1 (apparently it moved to Section= > 3 at
>
> some time);
>
 
>
Sorry, my mistake. Will fix it.
>
 
>
> *  perhaps more descriptive tags for description of Option 1= > and
>
> Option
>
> 2 can be used
>
 
>
Loa already asked me for this. Unfortunately I can not come up with an= > y "more descriptive tags". But I would be glad to accept any sugg= > estions/recommendations.
>
 
>
> * reference to sub-section "Originating Source Active auto-d= > iscovery
>
> routes" in Section 4 Option 2 is confusing since there are t= > wo
>
> sub-sections of the same name (Option 1 and Option 2)
>
 
>
Will fix this.
>
 
>
> * should it be Informative References rather than Non-normative R= > eferences?
>
 
>
Will fix this.
>
 
>
Thanks for your review.
>
 
>
Yakov.
>
 
>
 
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Working Group, This poll has been closed. We have accepted the draft as an mpls working g= roup document. Could the authors please re-publish the draft with no other changes than file-name, date and version as: draft-ietf-mpls-moving-iana-registries-00 Thanks, Ross (as WG co-chair) From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ros= s Callon Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 12:02 PM To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; loa@mail01.huawei.com Subject: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 This is to start a "two week" poll on adopting draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-02 as an MPLS working group document. Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). This poll will end September 20, 2013. Thanks, Ross --_000_5056dd9e7a6f45c6ac89508a84df3dd3BLUPR05MB070namprd05pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Working Group,=

 <= /p>

This poll has been closed= .  We have accepted the draft as an mpls working group document.<= /o:p>

 <= /p>

Could the authors please = re-publish the draft with no other

changes than file-name, d= ate and version as:

 <= /p>

draft-ietf-mpls-moving-ia= na-registries-00

 <= /p>

Thanks, Ross

(as WG co-chair)

 <= /p>

From: mpls-bou= nces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Callon
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 12:02 PM
To: mpls@ietf.org
Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; loa@mail01.huawei.com
Subject: [mpls] Poll for Adoption draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-regist= ries-02

 

This is to start a "two week"= poll on adopting

draft-lcap-mpls-moving-iana-registries-= 02

as an MPLS working group document.=

 

Please send your comments (support/not = support) to the mpls working

group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

 

This poll will end September 20, 2013.<= o:p>

 

Thanks, Ross

 

--_000_5056dd9e7a6f45c6ac89508a84df3dd3BLUPR05MB070namprd05pro_-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Sep 23 11:11:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD93A21F9FF6; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:11:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.101, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IhCxE8ShZvNx; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B4D21F9C7A; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:11:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.72 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130923181126.32168.89828.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:11:26 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-moving-iana-registries-00.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:11:26 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Gro= up of the IETF. Title : Moving Generic Associated Channel (G-ACh) IANA registrie= s to a new registry Author(s) : Loa Andersson Carlos Pignataro Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-moving-iana-registries-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2013-09-23 Abstract: RFC 5586 generalized the applicability of the pseudowire Associated Channel Header (PW-ACH) into the Generic Associated Channel G-Ach. However, registries and allocations of G-ACh parameters had been distributed throughout different, sometimes unrelated, registries. This document coalesces these into a new "Generic Associated Channel (G-ACh)" registry under the "Multiprotocol Label Switching Architecture (MPLS)" heading. This is an update to RFC 5586 [RFC5586]. This document also updates RFC 6374, RFC 6428, RFC 6378, RFC 6427, RFC-ietf-mpls-gach-adv-08, and RFC-ietf-mpls-tp-ethernet-addressing-08. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-moving-iana-registries There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-moving-iana-registries-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From sriganeshkini@gmail.com Mon Sep 23 12:40:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7570521F89EB for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:40:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.525 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.525 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_SUB_ENC_UTF8=0.152] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cmrbk9GGvISx for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x22a.google.com (mail-pd0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22a]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877B021F83E2 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id x10so3641941pdj.29 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:40:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=z8h6MHxAFW6+ty/BOYe0Xh/qj89kIrE8n44MQei/IZ8=; b=t27P7xUs44hYnSivHeUMF+a+edWyH/GHSJY9joDSzqgJ6b5CZzyVWFpkXP/5GaMbU/ QPNtTLmSf74mVYl2G5DqT4GVwXxf5mKtBs2t+5I27rh37XSqmshpZ7I0C93r9fsKqIVN GtHLEZuWlM7YqhbIH+8e2TwrfxXTM8TH+UsF0dP4kcbp1u9qAME0FmS0+3I+q9pmDIe4 pB2TFur4P67ImnZ5rvIOPonYMNuwJ7R8aHMjOox6mBgUqkwHArwn80229T/LK4Muh0qk yTRIgZUVYPqblXlzE5KYwPyA/C+GrgZ07QZNxIDK2h6mtGUF9+1u2kz65/8erPInSVwp iHfQ== X-Received: by 10.66.196.168 with SMTP id in8mr25731241pac.18.1379965220949; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sriganeshkini@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.0.225 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:39:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08211182@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> References: <98952a55996f40da8cbcb663561f580b@BLUPR05MB070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08211182@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> From: Sriganesh Kini Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:39:33 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: O9XtPE-aCWgXjDtR06sGf9w-7FM Message-ID: To: Xuxiaohu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdca8a4cc1a5e04e712309f Cc: Ross Callon , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "fanyb@gsta.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBNUExTIFdHIGxhc3QgY2FsbCBvbiBkcmFmdC1p?= =?utf-8?q?etf-mpls-in-udp-03=2Etxt?= X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 19:40:22 -0000 --047d7bdca8a4cc1a5e04e712309f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Xu, The existing encapsulations you pointed out were defined a long time ago. Whereas the other two are just being proposed now. Moreover if we follow this approach it will require standardizing UDP port numbers for each new protocol to encap into UDP. - Sri On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote: > Hi Sri,**** > > ** ** > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces= @ietf.org] *=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 *Sriganesh > Kini > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2013=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8821=E6=97= =A5 7:06 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Ross Callon > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; fanyb@gs= ta.com > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-= udp-03.txt**** > > ** ** > > There is no reference cited for the "MPLS-in-IP" encapsulation.**** > > ** ** > > [Xiaohu] MPLS-in-IP and MPLS-in-GRE are actually specified in the same RF= C > that is RFC4023.**** > > ** ** > > What is the applicability of this encapsulation compared to the > generalized mechanism in draft-quinn-vxlan-gpe ?**** > > ** ** > > [Xiaohu] The applicability of this encapsulation is the same as the > existing IP-based encapsulations for MPLS (e.g., MPLS-in-GRE).**** > > ** ** > > Best regards,**** > > Xiaohu**** > > ** ** > > - Sri**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Ross Callon wrote:= * > *** > > Working Group,**** > > **** > > This is to start Working Group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.tx= t > **** > > **** > > Please send your comments to the mpls working group mailing list ( > mpls@ietf.org).**** > > **** > > Please send both technical comments, and (if you are happy with the > document as is) **** > > also send indications of support.**** > > **** > > There is one IPR claim that applies to this draft, which can be seen at:*= * > ** > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/**** > > **** > > The coauthors and contributor have indicated that they don=E2=80=99t know= of any > other **** > > IPR applicable to this draft. If anyone else in the working group is awar= e > of IPR **** > > claims against this draft, the time to disclose that is now.**** > > **** > > This working group last call will end on September 27, 2013.**** > > **** > > Ross**** > > for the wg co-chairs**** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > --047d7bdca8a4cc1a5e04e712309f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Xu,

The existing encapsulations you = pointed out were defined a long time ago. Whereas the other two are just be= ing proposed now. Moreover if we follow this approach it will require stand= ardizing UDP port numbers for each new protocol to encap into UDP.

- Sri


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Xuxiaohu <xuxiaohu@h= uawei.com> wrote:

Hi Sri,=

=C2= =A0

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Sriganesh Kini
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9= =97=B4: 2013=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8821=E6=97=A5= 7:06
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Ross Callon
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-cha= irs@tools.ietf.org; fanyb@gsta.com
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt

=C2=A0

There is no reference cited for= the "MPLS-in-IP" encapsulation.

=C2= =A0

[Xia= ohu] MPLS-in-IP and MPLS-in-GRE are actually specified in the same RFC that= is RFC4023.

=C2=A0

What is the applicability of th= is encapsulation compared to the generalized mechanism in=C2=A0draft-quinn-= vxlan-gpe ?

= =C2=A0

[Xiaohu] T= he applicability of this encapsulation is the same as the existing IP-based= encapsulations for MPLS (e.g., MPLS-in-GRE).

=C2= =A0

Best regar= ds,

Xiaohu<= /u>

=C2= =A0

- Sri

= =C2=A0

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:42 AM= , Ross Callon <= rcallon@juniper.net> wrote:

Working Group,

=C2=A0

This is to start Working= Group last call on=C2=A0 draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt

=C2=A0

Please send your comment= s to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org= ).

=C2=A0

Please send both technic= al comments, and (if you are happy with the document as is)

also send indications of= support.

=C2=A0

There is one IPR claim t= hat applies to this draft, which can be seen at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/

=C2=A0

The coauthors and contri= butor have indicated that they don=E2=80=99t know of any other

IPR applicable to this d= raft. If anyone else in the working group is aware of IPR

claims against this draf= t, the time to disclose that is now.<= /u>

=C2=A0

This working group last = call will end on September 27, 2013.<= /u>

=C2=A0

Ross

for the wg co-chairs

=C2=A0

=
_______________________________________________
mpls mailing list
mpls@ietf.org
ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls

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X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.099, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id seWMwkrBnq99; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1599621F91BF; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:31:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.72 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130924053120.29616.34944.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:31:20 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:31:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Gro= up of the IETF. Title : Requirements for MPLS Shared Mesh Protection Author(s) : Yaacov Weingarten Sam Aldrin Ping Pan Jeong-dong Ryoo Greg Mirsky Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements-01.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2013-09-23 Abstract: This document presents the basic network objectives for the behavior of shared mesh protection (SMP) not based on control-plane support. This is an expansion of the basic requirements presented in the MPLS Transport Profile Requirements (RFC5654) and MPLS Transport Profile Survivability Framework (RFC6372) documents. This document should be used as a basis for the definition of the mechanism that would be used to implement SMP for MPLS-TP data paths, in networks that do not employ a control plane for their operation. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From loa@pi.nu Tue Sep 24 05:09:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C6E11E8110 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:09:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PGbXg6+qyP0N for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D438911E8116 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [112.208.59.125]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 386AE18014F6; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:09:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <524180F3.1030502@pi.nu> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:09:23 +0800 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements@tools.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:09:32 -0000 Working Group, The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The documents will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From ryoo@etri.re.kr Tue Sep 24 17:38:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C6611E80F1 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:38:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j79MOlG-zBD5 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpeg.etri.re.kr (smtpeg1.etri.re.kr [129.254.27.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EF511E815F for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 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[127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A5411E815F for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:39:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AgIggNBf+fEz for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sv-casht-prod2.infinera.com (sv-casht-prod2.infinera.com [8.4.225.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F4711E81A1 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SV-EXDB-PROD1.infinera.com ([fe80::dc68:4e20:6002:a8f9]) by sv-casht-prod2.infinera.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:39:11 -0700 From: Ping Pan To: "Ryoo, Jeong-dong" , Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements Thread-Index: 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X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f+S0mE+C4dLe for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD1E11E80F1 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:41:39 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-b7fda8e0000024c6-9c-524231414fc3 Received: from EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.81]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id F8.57.09414.14132425; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 02:41:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.81]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:41:34 -0400 From: Gregory Mirsky To: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements Thread-Index: AQHOuR7vgAnGPJEpw0+yILbTNJ69t5nVnYEw Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:41:34 +0000 Message-ID: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1121B6EE459@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> References: <524180F3.1030502@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <524180F3.1030502@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.135] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrGLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPoK6joVOQweTn5hanzh1msvg3dw6z xZ1dX1gtvl9awmJxa+lKVgdWj9Zne1k9liz5yeQxa3obm8eXy5/ZAliiuGxSUnMyy1KL9O0S uDKeT/jMVvCXp+LNXd0GxqlcXYycHBICJhIb1jcxQ9hiEhfurWfrYuTiEBI4yijRM2s7M4Sz nFHifP92JpAqNgEjiRcbe9hBbBEBO4mNr/4xghQxC7xhlNhwaA8LSEJYwFKiYfcVFogiK4n+ tbeYIWwjiaMr5rOB2CwCqhLvT+xkBLF5BXwlHjW+AbI5gLapSKyc6AcS5gQq6ejcD7aXEei6 76fWgNnMAuISt57MZ4K4WkBiyZ7zUB+ISrx8/I8VwlaW+D7nEQtEvY7Egt2f2CBsbYllC18z Q6wVlDg58wnLBEaxWUjGzkLSMgtJyywkLQsYWVYxcpQWp5blphsZbGIExtUxCTbdHYx7Xloe YpTmYFES512ldyZQSCA9sSQ1OzW1ILUovqg0J7X4ECMTB6dUA+Minfw1zpFxgqd/ZFzafPhN 7mudZZXmi+M/rU4Imx1k8sZmScbkw47lSVdTmC5qlKvY6/w64OKjWyx/665/6buNubwbi5Ol qkN2vb4tldH+iiOXbanMXqUprdGbcj/UW2QpfvjoY9cSN2fqk+Q9EzXXfHBnnhASc1L6y6EP 55VUT0xSsLP5yq3EUpyRaKjFXFScCABN2xfReQIAAA== Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:41:47 -0000 I'm not aware of any IPr that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:09 AM To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements@tools.ietf= .org; VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN) Subject: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements Working Group, The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements has told the working group = chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to thi= s email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *Th= e response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The documents wil= l not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from eac= h author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or con= tributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR t= hat has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) --=20 Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From aldrin.ietf@gmail.com Tue Sep 24 18:28:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3001021F9AED for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:28:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.398, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OmvdHh6g6XeV for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-x22f.google.com (mail-pb0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::22f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F63411E8193 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id rr4so5279565pbb.20 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:28:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=oEBBDaWbqxoNYai7dGsbQKMoN5LEV27peWc72Goio7I=; b=mi5vbFkJWe5dcUZ4RnLKa64/j9LSwCkGClJSCy+xjRpnhUVNjhYKclKK7Y88RpbI6g nO9WY2aPgNWpMAjty796WWCCIu21xhBuU7ZC0bq/TUwm6WA2EOZIxiZM9oc2SCy7rnb+ Flvjf48eD25LSes6KF6k+xNi3OLbNu3QNY2OyTCldIAm0BXRUta30eejQbp6VFgQeO3j 9xdKFKTLOthxAazyhTOH/itoBlhtWn3aG4b1qt3p/98Ed3uOYZKMA35GfPBPDaqx8GO3 z1OKFdBZtx4QSmkgiadfQkYzAEDtqnz2eNBAguPYjMpzUsWVp6nN8oXU9IDEbA2NPjI3 8Abw== X-Received: by 10.66.65.195 with SMTP id z3mr30969367pas.47.1380072505810; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (c-98-248-237-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [98.248.237.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j9sm49048165paj.18.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:28:24 -0700 (PDT) References: <524180F3.1030502@pi.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <524180F3.1030502@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <64A58150-08F0-45C7-B81D-999DBF6B63CF@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11A465) From: Sam Aldrin Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:28:23 -0700 To: Loa Andersson Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:28:28 -0000 I am not aware of any IPR related to this document. Cheers Sam Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 24, 2013, at 5:09 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements has told the > working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working > group last called. >=20 > Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. >=20 > This mail starts that IPR poll. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements?= >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The docu= ments will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 >=20 > Thanks, Loa > (as MPLS WG co-chair) > --=20 >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From xuxiaohu@huawei.com Tue Sep 24 23:44:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BE621F9FB6 for ; 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charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi authors, One more question to the draft, which is also raised by Ice in the list. draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast also provides PIM-SM ASM over MPLS = network by reusing MVPN mechanism. Since draft-rekhter borrows BGP Auto-discovery = from MVPN, and requires operator to deploy MP-BGP, then isn=A1=AFt it more = natural to follow the mechanism in draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast which could even provide P2MP LSP aggregation? Is there any background behind that? =20 Thanks Lizhong =20 From: Lizhong Jin [mailto:lizho.jin@gmail.com]=20 Sent: 2013=C4=EA9=D4=C223=C8=D5 21:30 To: draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org Cc: Gregory Mirsky; Rajiv Asati (rajiva); Xuxiaohu; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN); Loa Andersson Subject: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp =20 Hi authors, I review draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp-06, and think it is useful = and ready for WG adoption. Several comments are as follows: 1. Section 2. I think the option 1 and option 2 could not interoperate = with each other, and operators should ensure one same option is deployed in = one network. It is better to explicitly say that.=20 2. Is there any plan to keep one option, e.g, remove option 1 in future? Option1 does not provide the same function of PIM-SM ASM, e.g, traffic = would be potentially lost before setting up P2MP LSP. 3. Section 4.2. It is not clear how to trigger the mLDP Label Map with = the Transit IPv4/IPv6 Source TLV. The procedures in RFC6826 only apply to PIM-SSM, not PIM-SM ASM. Then I suggest to explicitly say: "When a = router (maybe DR on a LAN) initiates a transfer from the shared tree to a source-specific shortest-path tree (SPT), it will issue an (S,G) Join. = The LSR may initiate a mLDP Label Map with the Transit IPv4/IPv6 Source TLV = for (S, G) when receiving this (S,G) Join." Or other description with = similar meaning. 4. If possible, it would be helpful for the readers to include one = example for option2 in the draft, like RFC6826 section2. Regards Lizhong =20 On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Loa Andersson wrote: Lizhong, Greg, Rajiv and Xiaohu, You have been selected as MPLS Review team reviewers for draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp-06. Note to authors: You have been CC'd on this email so that you can know that this review is going on. However, please do not review your own document. Reviews should comment on whether the document is coherent, is it useful (ie, is it likely to be actually useful in operational networks), and is the document technically sound? We are interested in knowing whether the document is ready to be considered for WG adoption (ie, it doesn't have to be perfect at this point, but should be a good start). Reviews should be sent to the document authors, WG co-chairs and WG secretary, and CC'd to the MPLS WG email list. If necessary, comments may be sent privately to only the WG chairs. Are you able to review this draft by Sep 25, 2013? Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG chair) --=20 Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_B9D6_01CEBA01.B2696BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi authors,

One more question to the draft, which is also raised by Ice in the = list. draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast also provides PIM-SM ASM over MPLS = network by reusing MVPN mechanism. Since draft-rekhter borrows BGP = Auto-discovery from MVPN, and requires operator to deploy MP-BGP, then = isn=A1=AFt it more natural to follow the mechanism in = draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast which could even provide P2MP LSP = aggregation? Is there any background behind = that?

 

Thanks

Lizhong

 

From:= = Lizhong Jin [mailto:lizho.jin@gmail.com]
Sent: = 2013=C4=EA9=D4=C223=C8=D5 = 21:30
To: = draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org
Cc: Gregory = Mirsky; Rajiv Asati (rajiva); Xuxiaohu; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; = VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN); Loa Andersson
Subject: Re: MPLS-RT = review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp

 

Hi = authors,

I review = draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp-06, and think it is useful and ready = for WG adoption.
Several comments are as follows:
1. Section 2. I = think the option 1 and option 2 could not interoperate with each other, = and operators should ensure one same option is deployed in one network. = It is better to explicitly say that.
2. Is there any plan to keep = one option, e.g, remove option 1 in future? Option1 does not provide the = same function of PIM-SM ASM, e.g, traffic would be potentially lost = before setting up P2MP LSP.
3. Section 4.2. It is not clear how to = trigger the mLDP Label Map with the Transit IPv4/IPv6 Source TLV. The = procedures in RFC6826 only apply to PIM-SSM, not PIM-SM ASM. Then I = suggest to explicitly say: "When a router (maybe DR on a LAN) = initiates a transfer from the shared tree to a source-specific = shortest-path tree (SPT), it will issue an (S,G) Join. The LSR may = initiate a mLDP Label Map with the Transit IPv4/IPv6 Source TLV for (S, = G) when receiving this (S,G) Join." Or other description with = similar meaning.
4. If possible, it would be helpful for the readers = to include one example for option2 in the draft, like RFC6826 = section2.

Regards

Lizhong


 

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> = wrote:

Lizhong, Greg, Rajiv and = Xiaohu,

You have been selected as MPLS Review team reviewers = for
draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp-06.

Note to authors: = You have been CC'd on this email so that you can know
that this = review is going on. However, please do not review your = own
document.

Reviews should comment on whether the document = is coherent, is it
useful (ie, is it likely to be actually useful in = operational
networks), and is the document technically sound? =  We are interested
in knowing whether the document is ready to = be considered for WG
adoption (ie, it doesn't have to be perfect at = this point, but should be
a good start).

Reviews should be = sent to the document authors, WG co-chairs and
WG secretary, and CC'd = to the MPLS WG email list. If necessary, comments
may be sent = privately to only the WG chairs.

Are you able to review this = draft by Sep 25, 2013?


Thanks, Loa
(as MPLS WG chair)

-- =


Loa Andersson     =                   =  email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
Senior MPLS Expert           =                loa@pi.nu
Huawei = Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 = 64

 

------=_NextPart_000_B9D6_01CEBA01.B2696BB0-- From loa@pi.nu Wed Sep 25 01:42:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F6B21F9F26 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:42:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wpKs5HV6-KbJ for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0985721F893E for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [112.208.59.125]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C388C1802039; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:42:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5242A1DC.10600@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:42:04 +0800 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements@tools.ietf.org, "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] situation in the IPR poll for draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:42:14 -0000 Working Group, I started the IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements yesterday. I got very timely responses from the author listed on the first page - tnx! However, I also due to one response, that the "contributing authors" are not in the Author's Addresses section and have not been prompted to respond. David Allan, Daniel King and Taesik Cheung, can you please respond to the IPR poll. I've asked that you will be put in the Autho's Addresses section in the next version. I've also received a note that says that there are comments on the 'draft "just about" to be shipped. I will let the authors have time to respond to these comments, and come back to the wg chairs when the comments have been addressed. /Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From daniel@olddog.co.uk Wed Sep 25 01:44:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E0D21E8083 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:44:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3l1qnlFpXLcB for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B6721F9AFE for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r8P8iLZw012450; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:44:21 +0100 Received: from Serenity (88-97-23-122.dsl.zen.co.uk [88.97.23.122]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r8P8iKZR012430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:44:20 +0100 From: "Daniel King" To: "'Loa Andersson'" , References: <524180F3.1030502@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <524180F3.1030502@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:44:16 +0100 Message-ID: <00c001ceb9cb$6bc69880$4353c980$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQIqVPIXXGlvnOqZSYklY7+0vTSiz5ke7IjA Content-Language: en-gb Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:44:30 -0000 Hi Loa, All, I am not aware of any IPR related to this document. Thanks, Dan. -----Original Message----- From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson Sent: 24 September 2013 13:09 To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements@tools.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements Working Group, The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements has told the working group chairs that the draft is ready to be working group last called. Before starting the the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. This mail starts that IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The documents will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Thanks, Loa (as MPLS WG co-chair) -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From david.i.allan@ericsson.com Wed Sep 25 06:59:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC27721F9BD5 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:59:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0LNuuWCVw-DK for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432EC21F9CDF for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:59:27 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-b7fe28e000000d82-26-5242ec3ea3b1 Received: from EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.75]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 66.E6.03458.E3CE2425; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:59:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB105.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.122]) by EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.75]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:58:03 -0400 From: David Allan I To: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: situation in the IPR poll for draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements Thread-Index: AQHOucsfV00zQQwDPUOWjhJXM3dM0ZnWes0A Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 13:58:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5242A1DC.10600@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <5242A1DC.10600@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.134] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrBLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXSPt67dG6cgg0mnjCyaNutYNL3dy2Jx 6txhJot/c+cwW9zZ9YXV4vulJSwWt5auZHVg92h9tpfVY+vnh4weS5b8ZPJYsXklo8es6W1s Hl8uf2YLYIvisklJzcksSy3St0vgyvj+cB17wTmuiis7XRsYF3N0MXJwSAiYSHRd0+xi5AQy xSQu3FvP1sXIxSEkcJRR4s+2KewgCSGB5YwS7e1yIDabgIHEnv9fGEFsEQE7iY2v/jGCNDAL bGSSeHdtPitIQljAW+L0vKtQRT4SLz6sgrKNJHrPnQcbyiKgKnH2/C+wel4BX4lNr/pYIJYp SUy9/YoJxOYUUJY41rEHrJcR6Lrvp9aAxZkFxCVuPZnPBHG1gMSSPeeZIWxRiZeP/7FC2MoS S57sZ4Go15FYsPsTG4StLbFs4WtmiL2CEidnPmGZwCg2C8nYWUhaZiFpmYWkZQEjyypGjtLi 1LLcdCPDTYzA2Dsmwea4g3HBJ8tDjNIcLErivBv0zgQKCaQnlqRmp6YWpBbFF5XmpBYfYmTi 4JRqYGTozJfVvn4q/FNJjc2U0vnrX+07a/Dbbdkya+3UrB9HF/yoPvB+l9mr2WZhGZFi76KF c69/4nse/TTXLWUCz+qX71oWT/3sqvJoW/3eM0lra/r+TEvdxrJ8g1bL8scqpaU7Qp01V6lc 2NmwfJHCgidv50xjOB976lSQz+99W3eeerv8zludfJs2JZbijERDLeai4kQAtq/uOosCAAA= Cc: "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] situation in the IPR poll for draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 13:59:34 -0000 I'm not aware of any IPR Dave -----Original Message----- From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 1:42 AM To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN); draft-ietf-mpls= -smp-requirements@tools.ietf.org; David Allan I; Daniel King; Taesik Cheung Subject: situation in the IPR poll for draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements Working Group, I started the IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements yesterday. I got very timely responses from the author listed on the first page - tnx! However, I also due to one response, that the "contributing authors" are not in the Author's Addresses section and have not been prompted to res= pond. David Allan, Daniel King and Taesik Cheung, can you please respond to the IPR poll. I've asked that you will be put in the Autho's Addresses section in the nex= t version. I've also received a note that says that there are comments on the 'draft "= just about" to be shipped. I will let the authors have time to respond to t= hese comments, and come back to the wg chairs when the comments have been a= ddressed. /Loa --=20 Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From yakov@juniper.net Wed Sep 25 07:12:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F8121F9E83 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:12:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.229 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.229 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.630, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MlxUKrhLUV2C for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from db8outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (mail-db8lp0187.outbound.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.187]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9144021F9E63 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail57-db8-R.bigfish.com (10.174.8.250) by DB8EHSOBE021.bigfish.com (10.174.4.84) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:11:53 +0000 Received: from mail57-db8 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail57-db8-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1DD5C00B7; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:11:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:66.129.224.51; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -2 X-BigFish: VPS-2(zz709fI1432Izz1f42h208ch1ee6h1de0h1fdah2073h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ah1fc6hzzz2fh2a8h839h944hf0ah1220h1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h1ad9h1b0ah1b2fh1fb3h1d0ch1d2eh1d3fh1dfeh1dffh1fe8h1ff5h1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail57-db8: domain of juniper.net designates 66.129.224.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.129.224.51; envelope-from=yakov@juniper.net; helo=P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net ; SAC.jnpr.net ; Received: from mail57-db8 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail57-db8 (MessageSwitch) id 1380118311247074_23652; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB8EHSMHS031.bigfish.com (unknown [10.174.8.247]) by mail57-db8.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E47860041; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net (66.129.224.51) by DB8EHSMHS031.bigfish.com (10.174.4.41) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:11:49 +0000 Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMF01-SAC.jnpr.net (172.24.192.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:11:47 -0700 Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id r8PEBkL16906; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:11:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-ID: <201309251411.r8PEBkL16906@magenta.juniper.net> To: Xuxiaohu In-Reply-To: <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08211A7E@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> References: <52303B3B.1060308@pi.nu> <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08211A7E@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> X-MH-In-Reply-To: Xuxiaohu message dated "Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:43:38 -0000." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <58465.1380118305.1@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:11:46 -0700 From: Yakov Rekhter X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org" , Lizhong Jin , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:12:02 -0000 Xiaohu, > Hi, > > I have reviewed the document. I think this doc is coherent, technically sound > and ready to be considered for WG adoption. Thanks. > Two minor technical comments: > > 1) "... An implementation MAY support Option 1, as described in Section 2 of > this document. An implementation MUST support Option 2, as described > in Section 3 of this document." > Comment: It would be better if the reason for the above implementation > suggestion can be given. I do not have any strong reasons for the above choice. As I mentioned to Loa, I would really like the WG to determine which of the two is MUST and which one is MAY. > 2) "... This document uses BGP Source Active auto-discovery routes, as > defined in [MVPN-BGP]. This document also identifies the deployment > scenarios where BGP Source Active auto-discovery routes will not be > used." > > Comment: Besides the approach of originating Source Active auto-discovery > routes, shouldn't the MSDP-based approach be considered as well in option 1? For one thing, use of the MSDP-based approach would require either (a) some sort of provisioning to establish a full mesh of MSDP peerings among all the edge routers, or (b) some sort of auto-discovery. Also, it is far from obvious that such full mesh scale any better than use of BGP with Source Active auto-discovery routes. > Several editorial comments: > > 1) "This document describes how to map mLDP P2MP tress to multicast > trees created by PIM-SM in ASM mode." > > /s/tress/trees Thanks ! Will fix. > > 2) "An implementation MAY support Option 1, as described in Section 2 of > this document. An implementation MUST support Option 2, as described > in Section 3 of this document." > > /s/Section2/Section3 /s/Section 3/Section 4 Sorry, my mistake. Will fix. > > 3) "...One other scenario where no Source Active auto-discovery routes will b e > used is described in section "Originating Source Active auto- > discovery routes". > > /s/section/section 4.2 (since section 3.1 has the same title as section 4.2) Sorry, my mistake. Will fix. > 4) Source: IPv6 RP address, 16 octets. > /s/Source/RP Sorry, my mistake. Will fix. Yakov. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <71495.1380143348.1@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:09:08 -0700 From: Yakov Rekhter X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Cc: mpls@ietf.org, draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org, mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:09:28 -0000 Lizhong, > Hi authors, > > One more question to the draft, which is also raised by Ice in the list. > draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast also provides PIM-SM ASM over MPLS network by > reusing MVPN mechanism. Since draft-rekhter borrows BGP Auto-discovery from > MVPN, and requires operator to deploy MP-BGP, then isn't it more natural to > follow the mechanism in draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast which could even > provide P2MP LSP aggregation? Is there any background behind that? I can not comment on whether it is "more natural to follow the mechanism in draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast". However, I'd like to point out that while PIM-SM ASM over MPLS network with draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast uses Leaf auto-discovery routes, several flavors of S-PMSI auto-discovery routes, and Source Active auto-discovery routes, draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp uses just Source Active auto-discovery routes. Moreover, draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp spells out that in certain deployment scenarios even Source Active auto-discovery routes would not be used. Yakov. From ice@cisco.com Wed Sep 25 15:32:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF4C21F9AE6 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:32:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gyJYaF0OOQNC for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF9A21F922A for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:32:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1037; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1380148334; x=1381357934; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=PNvPGMSf7AEcX9TwmE9Zvt+XKNkGDGsd/sYV8NCTYEQ=; b=UUxPZEhjABwBW/nnsu9qAh+dTM0mIi/NDYTssm064ZkkQuBydCpwryIo HP0yMhVe9sqHj0FN4w24EfyhQU0ZZjRGoJkLneyV/RIc/iuGSv2aNyNC9 6fzBMIP+CfSN/+DjafCD5aYjsmO2BwLg2OIl9A8+JhkJWfs7uWPJtm0Sf A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjEFADtkQ1KQ/khM/2dsb2JhbABagwfBXoEgFnSCJQEBAQMBOj8FCwtGVwYuh2UGvEePHjMHgx2BAAOXfJF3gyY6 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.90,981,1371081600"; d="scan'208";a="160004495" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Sep 2013 22:31:48 +0000 Received: from ams-iwijnand-8711.cisco.com (ams-iwijnand-8711.cisco.com [10.55.191.146]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r8PMVlou019233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:31:47 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: IJsbrand Wijnands In-Reply-To: <201309252109.r8PL9AL06558@magenta.juniper.net> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:31:47 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <52303B3B.1060308@pi.nu> <201309252109.r8PL9AL06558@magenta.juniper.net> To: Yakov Rekhter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: mpls@ietf.org, draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org, mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org, Lizhong Jin Subject: Re: [mpls] MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:32:40 -0000 Yakov, > I can not comment on whether it is "more natural to follow the = mechanism=20 > in draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast". I think the question is, is there a need for a solution that combines = mLDP in-band signalling with BGP AD. What is the advantage of this = solution compared to what is already defined in = draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast? I can see that it does not require Leaf = auto-discovery routes, but is that an advantage? Moreover, most = customers like mLDP in-band signalling because it does not depend on BGP = AD. > auto-discovery routes. Moreover, draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp > spells out that in certain deployment scenarios even Source Active > auto-discovery routes would not be used. Do you mean like what is documented in = draft-wijnands-mpls-mldp-in-band-wildcard-encoding-00 section 3? Is the = solution in draft-wijnands not a better way to support that since it = does not require new Opaque TLV encodings and covers both global table = and VRF support? Thx, Ice. From sriganeshkini@gmail.com Wed Sep 25 16:14:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B0C21F98AC for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:14:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.638 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.638 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.113, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_SUB_ENC_UTF8=0.152] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 62zl0ovxRI9M for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x22f.google.com (mail-pd0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D2D21F9B25 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id q10so313090pdj.20 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:14:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=XB+d2PTKaq04m6gsroApXJhJKJLkIRVm1pm4OYjhFXI=; b=uyTXLQuZ6Zh4FB8/T3nbvXyJ0opRrepXPILofWr/dSRcCQ2uYFHTfp0Ki8iphjMIdg jMMDz1QqU0/xkDsFv4pmSyLWxSTcLbl+52YEn/exgNkUtfYrrOqLDN6LV2cBjaaNATQX XBC+KBtsa6hYCUea/WEHLn5qQf7tZUNqjP9/NRnyvp8LbEAag9K7nE6/8ebVCeh4Gxp3 zA/csPNTGNLtEBQM22fN43pz877wtPJjcbL2B2PHUr/NxXY5XU7L3+91Rd78p5vCP54i bEM7YwY3ZfiEbJ4zIlkPsYTFPiLb8cAS7ktNszSjy7aTwmI+9VRC0z6dKOv/0OazbeMl fIhQ== X-Received: by 10.68.169.161 with SMTP id af1mr36044039pbc.22.1380150864012; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:14:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sriganeshkini@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.0.225 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:13:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE082115B5@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> References: <98952a55996f40da8cbcb663561f580b@BLUPR05MB070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08211182@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE082115B5@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> From: Sriganesh Kini Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:13:53 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 72lo6fTpspa8D3N04Nu9C5IpLuM Message-ID: To: Xuxiaohu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd76b3afc6daf04e73d6936 Cc: Ross Callon , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "fanyb@gsta.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBNUExTIFdHIGxhc3QgY2FsbCBvbiBkcmFmdC1p?= =?utf-8?q?etf-mpls-in-udp-03=2Etxt?= X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:14:29 -0000 --047d7bd76b3afc6daf04e73d6936 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Xu, I read the other draft you pointed to and I don't see how that helps. What I had said earlier was that having a protocol-id in a header following the UDP header but before the user payload (in this draft the MPLS packet is the user payload) keeps the design generic and any protocol (not just MPLS applications) can then use such an encapsulation. Standardizing UDP port numbers to denote protocol types consumes the port number space and is unnecessary. Another important point is that developing OAM using a header after the UDP hdr but before the user-payload is easier. - Sri On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote: > Hi Sri,**** > > ** ** > > It=E2=80=99s no problem provided that anybody was willing to use VXLAN-GP= E to > replace the existing MPLS-based applications such as L2 or L3 VPN service= s. > Furthermore, there is another choice for VXLAN extension other than > VXLAN-GPE, which has been described in > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yong-l3vpn-nvgre-vxlan-encap-00. I=E2=80= =99m > willing to hear your further comments on the comparison of these two > options for VXLAN extension (Maybe MPLS WG is not a suitable place to tal= k > about this topic).**** > > ** ** > > Xiaohu**** > > ** ** > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* sriganeshkini@gmail.com [mailto:sriganeshk= ini@gmail.com] *=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 *Sriganesh > Kini > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2013=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8824=E6=97= =A5 3:40 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Xuxiaohu > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* Ross Callon; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.= org; > fanyb@gsta.com > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [mpls] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: MPLS WG last call on= draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt*** > * > > ** ** > > Hi Xu,**** > > ** ** > > The existing encapsulations you pointed out were defined a long time ago. > Whereas the other two are just being proposed now. Moreover if we follow > this approach it will require standardizing UDP port numbers for each new > protocol to encap into UDP.**** > > ** ** > > - Sri**** > > ** ** > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote:**= * > * > > Hi Sri,**** > > **** > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces= @ietf.org] *=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 *Sriganesh > Kini > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2013=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8821=E6=97= =A5 7:06 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Ross Callon > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; fanyb@gs= ta.com > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-= udp-03.txt**** > > **** > > There is no reference cited for the "MPLS-in-IP" encapsulation.**** > > **** > > [Xiaohu] MPLS-in-IP and MPLS-in-GRE are actually specified in the same RF= C > that is RFC4023.**** > > **** > > What is the applicability of this encapsulation compared to the > generalized mechanism in draft-quinn-vxlan-gpe ?**** > > **** > > [Xiaohu] The applicability of this encapsulation is the same as the > existing IP-based encapsulations for MPLS (e.g., MPLS-in-GRE).**** > > **** > > Best regards,**** > > Xiaohu**** > > **** > > - Sri**** > > **** > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Ross Callon wrote:= * > *** > > Working Group,**** > > **** > > This is to start Working Group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.tx= t > **** > > **** > > Please send your comments to the mpls working group mailing list ( > mpls@ietf.org).**** > > **** > > Please send both technical comments, and (if you are happy with the > document as is) **** > > also send indications of support.**** > > **** > > There is one IPR claim that applies to this draft, which can be seen at:*= * > ** > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/**** > > **** > > The coauthors and contributor have indicated that they don=E2=80=99t know= of any > other **** > > IPR applicable to this draft. If anyone else in the working group is awar= e > of IPR **** > > claims against this draft, the time to disclose that is now.**** > > **** > > This working group last call will end on September 27, 2013.**** > > **** > > Ross**** > > for the wg co-chairs**** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls**** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > --047d7bd76b3afc6daf04e73d6936 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Xu,

I read the other draft you point= ed to and I don't see how that helps. What I had said earlier was that = having a protocol-id in a header following the UDP header but before the us= er payload (in this draft the MPLS packet is the user payload) keeps the de= sign generic and any protocol (not just MPLS applications) can then use suc= h an encapsulation. Standardizing UDP port numbers to denote protocol types= consumes the port number space and is unnecessary. Another important point= is that developing OAM using a header after the UDP hdr but before the use= r-payload is easier.
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- Sri


On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Xuxiaohu <xuxiaohu@= huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Sri,=

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It=E2=80= =99s no problem provided that anybody was willing to use VXLAN-GPE to repla= ce the existing MPLS-based applications such as L2 or L3 VPN services. Furthermore, there is another choice for VXLAN extension other than VXLAN-= GPE, which has been described in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yong-l3vpn-nvgre-vxlan= -encap-00. I=E2=80=99m willing to hear your further comments on the com= parison of these two options for VXLAN extension (Maybe MPLS WG is not a suitable place to talk about this topic).=

=C2= =A0

Xiaohu<= /u>

=C2= =A0

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: sriganeshkini@gmail.com [mailto:sriganeshkini@gmail.com] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Sriganesh Kini
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9= =97=B4: 2013=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8824=E6=97=A5= 3:40
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Xuxiaohu
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Ross Callon; mpl= s@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; fanyb@gsta.com
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [mpls] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mp= ls-in-udp-03.txt

=C2=A0

Hi Xu,

=C2=A0

The existing encapsulations you= pointed out were defined a long time ago. Whereas the other two are just b= eing proposed now. Moreover if we follow this approach it will require stan= dardizing UDP port numbers for each new protocol to encap into UDP.

=C2=A0

- Sri

= =C2=A0

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:02 P= M, Xuxiaohu <xu= xiaohu@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Sri,

=C2=A0

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: mpls-bounces@iet= f.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Sriganesh Kini
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9= =97=B4: 2013=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8821=E6=97=A5= 7:06
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Ross Callon
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; fanyb@gsta.com
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt

=C2=A0

There is no reference cited for= the "MPLS-in-IP" encapsulation.

=C2=A0

[Xiaohu] M= PLS-in-IP and MPLS-in-GRE are actually specified in the same RFC that is RF= C4023.

=C2=A0

What is the applicability of th= is encapsulation compared to the generalized mechanism in=C2=A0draft-quinn-= vxlan-gpe ?

=C2=A0<= /span>

[Xiaohu] T= he applicability of this encapsulation is the same as the existing IP-based encapsulations for MPLS (e.g., MPLS-in-GRE).

=C2=A0

Best regar= ds,

Xiaohu

=C2=A0

- Sri

= =C2=A0

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:42 AM= , Ross Callon <= rcallon@juniper.net> wrote:

Working Group,

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This is to start Working= Group last call on=C2=A0 draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt

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Please send your comment= s to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org= ).

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Please send both technic= al comments, and (if you are happy with the document as is)

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There is one IPR claim t= hat applies to this draft, which can be seen at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/

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The coauthors and contri= butor have indicated that they don=E2=80=99t know of any other

IPR applicable to this d= raft. If anyone else in the working group is aware of IPR

claims against this draf= t, the time to disclose that is now.<= /u>

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Rekhter Thread-Topic: MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp Thread-Index: AQHOufk2IqVm6xvoD0KWW7Wyxwzn6pnXP09Q Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 01:46:59 +0000 Message-ID: <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08211EED@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> References: <52303B3B.1060308@pi.nu> <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08211A7E@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> <201309251411.r8PEBkL16906@magenta.juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <201309251411.r8PEBkL16906@magenta.juniper.net> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.98.130] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org" , Lizhong Jin , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogTVBMUy1SVCByZXZpZXcgb2YgZHJhZnQtcmVr?= =?gb2312?b?aHRlci1tcGxzLXBpbS1zbS1vdmVyLW1sZHA=?= X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org 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<1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08211EED@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org" , Lizhong Jin , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogTVBMUy1SVCByZXZpZXcgb2YgZHJhZnQtcmVr?= =?gb2312?b?aHRlci1tcGxzLXBpbS1zbS1vdmVyLW1sZHA=?= X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 01:56:27 -0000 Yakov and Xiaohu, what interest me mostly now is how how much we need to do before starting the wg poll. Would it be possible to do the wg poll before finally addressing the issue brought up by Xiaohu, and after we have the wg document have Yakov send a mail to the working group saying something like: "There si an issue that were brought up during MPLS-RT review. we'd like to have the input of the working group on this." /Loa On 2013-09-26 09:46, Xuxiaohu wrote: > Hi Yakov, > >> -----ÓʼþÔ­¼þ----- >> ·¢¼þÈË: Yakov Rekhter [mailto:yakov@juniper.net] >> ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä: 2013Äê9ÔÂ25ÈÕ 22:12 >> ÊÕ¼þÈË: Xuxiaohu >> ³­ËÍ: Loa Andersson; Lizhong Jin; Gregory Mirsky; Rajiv Asati (rajiva); >> draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp@tools.ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; >> VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN); mpls@ietf.org >> Ö÷Ìâ: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-rekhter-mpls-pim-sm-over-mldp >> >> Xiaohu, >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have reviewed the document. I think this doc is coherent, technically sound >>> and ready to be considered for WG adoption. >> >> Thanks. >> >>> Two minor technical comments: >>> >>> 1) "... An implementation MAY support Option 1, as described in Section 2 of >>> this document. An implementation MUST support Option 2, as described >>> in Section 3 of this document." >> >>> Comment: It would be better if the reason for the above implementation >>> suggestion can be given. >> >> I do not have any strong reasons for the above choice. As I mentioned >> to Loa, I would really like the WG to determine which of the two is >> MUST and which one is MAY. >> >>> 2) "... This document uses BGP Source Active auto-discovery routes, as >>> defined in [MVPN-BGP]. This document also identifies the deployment >>> scenarios where BGP Source Active auto-discovery routes will not be >>> used." >>> >>> Comment: Besides the approach of originating Source Active auto-discovery >>> routes, shouldn't the MSDP-based approach be considered as well in option >> 1? >> >> For one thing, use of the MSDP-based approach would require either >> (a) some sort of provisioning to establish a full mesh of MSDP peerings >> among all the edge routers, or (b) some sort of auto-discovery. >> Also, it is far from obvious that such full mesh scale any better >> than use of BGP with Source Active auto-discovery routes. > > Thanks for the above explanation. Would it be better to include the above analysis text in the doc for clarification purposes? > > Best regards, > Xiaohu > >>> Several editorial comments: >>> >>> 1) "This document describes how to map mLDP P2MP tress to multicast >>> trees created by PIM-SM in ASM mode." >>> >>> /s/tress/trees >> >> Thanks ! Will fix. >> >>> >>> 2) "An implementation MAY support Option 1, as described in Section 2 of >>> this document. An implementation MUST support Option 2, as described >>> in Section 3 of this document." >>> >>> /s/Section2/Section3 /s/Section 3/Section 4 >> >> Sorry, my mistake. Will fix. >> >>> >>> 3) "...One other scenario where no Source Active auto-discovery routes will b >> e >>> used is described in section "Originating Source Active auto- >>> discovery routes". >>> >>> /s/section/section 4.2 (since section 3.1 has the same title as section 4.2) >> >> Sorry, my mistake. Will fix. >> >>> 4) Source: IPv6 RP address, 16 octets. >>> /s/Source/RP >> >> Sorry, my mistake. Will fix. >> >> Yakov. > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From xuxiaohu@huawei.com Wed Sep 25 19:12:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7786211E80F1 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:12:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.216 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.216 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.572, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jpix5t5aXfJe for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 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Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 05:37:44 -0000 Working Group, this is to start a two week+ working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls-05. Please send your comment to working group mailing lists (mpls@ietf.org). We did an IPR poll on this document prior to starting the wglc. All the authors responded to the IPR poll that they are not aware of any IPR's relating to this document other than the one already disclosed. There are no IPRs disclosed directly against this document, disclosure #1920 was disclosed against an earlier individual version of the document. It has also been pointed out that one of the components in the Seamless MPLS architecture is derived from RFC 5283 and that IPR disclosures # 686 and # 853 are applicable. The working group last call will end Friday October 11, 2913. /Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From loa@pi.nu Wed Sep 25 22:42:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E661B21F93C4 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:42:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.122 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.122 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.477, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lI2BZQImNU9E for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF6521F936F for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [112.208.49.104]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A16001802038 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:42:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5243C945.4020205@pi.nu> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:42:29 +0800 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org References: <5243C81B.9080308@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <5243C81B.9080308@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [mpls] Update: Working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 05:42:42 -0000 Working group, the subject line was update and the version number of the document below. /Loa On 2013-09-26 13:37, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > this is to start a two week+ working group last call on > draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls-04. > > Please send your comment to working group mailing lists (mpls@ietf.org). > > We did an IPR poll on this document prior to starting the wglc. > All the authors responded to the IPR poll that they are not aware of > any IPR's relating to this document other than the one already > disclosed. > > There are no IPRs disclosed directly against this document, disclosure > #1920 was disclosed against an earlier individual version of the > document. > > It has also been pointed out that one of the components in the Seamless > MPLS architecture is derived from RFC 5283 and that IPR disclosures > # 686 and # 853 are applicable. > > The working group last call will end Friday October 11, 2913. > > /Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Sep 25 23:19:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB17E11E8158; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:19:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.566 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.566 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.034, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 45ASNo69R4at; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4788811E8147; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:19:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.72 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130926061937.30938.42329.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:19:37 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-dj-mpls-tp-exer-psc-02.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:19:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Gro= up of the IETF. Title : Supporting the Exercise command for PSC linear protectio= n protocol Author(s) : Alessandro D'Alessandro Jeong-dong Ryoo Huub van Helvoort Filename : draft-dj-mpls-tp-exer-psc-02.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2013-09-25 Abstract: This draft indicates how IETF RFC6378 could be modified to address the Exercise function. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dj-mpls-tp-exer-psc There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dj-mpls-tp-exer-psc-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-dj-mpls-tp-exer-psc-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From agmalis@gmail.com Thu Sep 26 06:44:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE1221E8098 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:44:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.433 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.433 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.167, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QyTcXSaRP3jp for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x232.google.com (mail-we0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::232]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2660F21F9E69 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id u57so1145004wes.23 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:43:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=rjqdyaTgbEFx6Ex2e8iU4XQMyac3JIbbc78R1mRvEXA=; b=S1Cx1/tHUmvRVBCGSxvS9iyUej8mQMgwfpMDxV8EIbJ+LiDCqW/C8+6T+toQBLxGhA A6uSOp4IDPUbeyzd+ifowt2hIkpdkGy9kD3Y4zy1oa6b13HsvsHLT1VFjad/2TZ/5SQ8 ZbbjXQ9WYMt9HuXN0OP6NYbMq3AD1yAhg89Q03067moV29ZWwX4pEz0kjEaSRfN9qR0A RWwBAusl/3HPfDY4ZqnzLAmA1PVcTa15N7LUJObDWs7aqufw2l942j0oC/7agFwJsJPn U/QZwETOWw+rvRDMv0K+/fmjUz9soGI3xFKlEwNaHjGVKCmP4tesQex7unuj9HgIhyv8 I6Sg== X-Received: by 10.180.229.103 with SMTP id sp7mr1013613wic.2.1380203037088; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:43:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.54.6 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:43:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130926100943.29653.15032.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20130926100943.29653.15032.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:43:37 -0400 Message-ID: To: "mpls@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-xu-mpls-payload-protocol-identifier-00.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:44:00 -0000 A history lesson for the young-ins out there: this draft brings me back to the Good Old Days, when we had a nice little fight about whether or not all MPLS packets should include a protocol identifier or not, similar to multiprotocol encapsulation for Frame Relay (RFC 2427) and ATM (RFC 2684) (and interestingly, neither of those two RFCs are referenced by this one). Those of us that wanted to include a protocol ID in MPLS packets lost in the end. However, the difference between then and now is that now we have pseudowires, and not only that, we already have a PW that implements the functionality of this draft, RFC 6658. Just use RFC 6658 and be done with it. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 6:09 AM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : MPLS Payload Protocol Identifier > Author(s) : Xiaohu Xu > Mach(Guoyi) Chen > Filename : draft-xu-mpls-payload-protocol-identifier-00.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2013-09-26 > > Abstract: > The MPLS label stack has no explicit protocol identifier field to > indicate the protocol type of the MPLS payload. This document > proposes a mechanism for containing a protocol identifier field > within the MPLS packet, which may be useful in some emerging use > cases (e.g., network service chain and MPLS payload inspection). > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xu-mpls-payload-protocol-identifier > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-mpls-payload-protocol-identifier-00 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com Thu Sep 26 08:34:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E94D21F9E52 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:34:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.31 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.31 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.289, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sKy8-TBiEURd for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B11811E80D2 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:34:31 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-b7fe28e000000d82-48-524454066ffe Received: from EUSAAHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.84]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id E8.9C.03458.60454425; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 17:34:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB109.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.126]) by EUSAAHC004.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.84]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 11:34:28 -0400 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls Thread-Index: AQHOunqWWEM9TXApmUawGx8bc1Q1MZnX9IWA Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:34:26 +0000 Message-ID: <60DEDD93F5E54B4AB55647B8B6C7483993AD21@eusaamb109.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <5243C81B.9080308@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.135] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrILMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPiC5biEuQwaH72hazV+xis/g3dw6z xfdLS1gsbi1dyerA4rFkyU8mj1nT29g8vlz+zBbAHMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CV0TqthbFgCk/F 879bGBsYX3J2MXJySAiYSKy/eYsZwhaTuHBvPRuILSRwlFFixhvlLkYuIHs5o8S21ruMIAk2 AQOJ/9+Os4DYIgJ2Ehtf/WMEKWIWWMEosf/2BrBuYQFDiZ931gEVcQAVGUm8XmAMUW8kcXPJ PVYQm0VAVWLr6hlgM3kFvCW6ltxhBinnBIpvn+QEEmYEuuf7qTVMIDazgLjErSfzmSDuFJBY suc81M2iEi8f/wMbKSqgJ9F27Aw7RFxZ4vucRywQvToSC3Z/YgMZzyxgLbF5oyhEWFti2cLX zBAXCEqcnPmEZQKj+Cwk22Yh6Z6F0D0LSfcsJN0LGFlXMXKUFqeW5aYbGW5iBEbbMQk2xx2M Cz5ZHmKU5mBREuf98tY5SEggPbEkNTs1tSC1KL6oNCe1+BAjEwenVANjvWHEknbF/vBLAc8O TFU2TTm+eMcu1VNh6lqBvVGMogtnmb4zfzPF55KVFL/57NP3Tq5WvZq8/Oh0rgR15hOb1VmF 1YvKy/RnqjGER9s+NfTJfGUnYCa1NkTtt+f7lY+rJhwUlj3CHeLwbBlDwtGHGwT9td4aTp7E +uzPMr7b7/XrNEqFRE2UWIozEg21mIuKEwFcsWm0hAIAAA== Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls.all@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:34:48 -0000 Yes/support Cheers, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Loa Andersson Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:37 PM To: "mpls@ietf.org" Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls.all@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls >Working Group, > >this is to start a two week+ working group last call on >draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls-05. > >Please send your comment to working group mailing lists (mpls@ietf.org). > >We did an IPR poll on this document prior to starting the wglc. >All the authors responded to the IPR poll that they are not aware of >any IPR's relating to this document other than the one already >disclosed. > >There are no IPRs disclosed directly against this document, disclosure >#1920 was disclosed against an earlier individual version of the >document. > >It has also been pointed out that one of the components in the Seamless >MPLS architecture is derived from RFC 5283 and that IPR disclosures ># 686 and # 853 are applicable. > >The working group last call will end Friday October 11, 2913. > >/Loa >--=20 > > >Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >_______________________________________________ >mpls mailing list >mpls@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From quintin.zhao@huawei.com Fri Sep 27 10:13:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2213A21E8107 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:13:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.074 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.074 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.525, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wFLV-1ZXQTVj for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF5F21E8117 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AYI77446; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:12:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 18:11:45 +0100 Received: from SJCEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.212.94.43) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 18:12:42 +0100 Received: from SJCEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.42]) by sjceml402-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.212.94.43]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:12:36 -0700 From: Quintin zhao To: "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp Thread-Index: AQHOsvOlFIselZQfr0qGkgJsXx5XL5nZ4jIQ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:12:35 +0000 Message-ID: <11208E03C9803E4CB4C3D898F153D6C03065AD9B@sjceml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.245.204] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:13:00 -0000 The solution from this draft is useful for the application scenarios specif= ied in the draft. Support. Quintin ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:56:16 +0200 From: Loa Andersson To: "mpls@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp@tools.ietf.org, "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp Message-ID: <5236F1E0.5060502@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed Working Group, this is to start a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp= -hsmp-01. Please send your comment to working group mailing lists (mpls@ietf.org). We have done IPR poll on this document prior to starting the wglc. All the authors responded to the IPR poll that they are not aware of any IP= R's relating to this document other than the one IPR already disclosed whil= e this document was an individual document. One author, the inventor and th= e company that disclosed the IPR says that it is still valid for the workin= g group document. There are one IPRs disclosed against this document, however the IPR disclos= ure count is "4", this seems to be a bug and the correct count should be "1= ". The working group last call will end Friday September 30, 2913. /Loa --=20 Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 ------------------------------ ***** From sriganeshkini@gmail.com Fri Sep 27 16:59:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A8221F92DA for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:59:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_SUB_ENC_UTF8=0.152] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dvv1Uz9jVAQi for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-x22e.google.com (mail-pb0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::22e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F6B21F9223 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id rq2so3181524pbb.19 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=/WZPlzTWgbn1nnCJp7VJOoYM1CCupMlOMUraV+5oQmE=; b=aeMDodC7ulugmYaswVr1F6U4EeYozfsY6NUVHl48rEDnA+UdNTr12xUr3/ROs1TuN5 3ZRgBbUBbZmq4I/8z2SHVW6JnJLj+/R7aL3Zmft9OredSwhPXtGHn4uUXUGQ/Qf4NrIo 1NzgbjoN9aSkxiwu7r5BuXwBKyZ+OdYyhRDoWrXrg7v26YWT9s/dy8t7XggxiqF72ox/ 5TeUh82gm83lj57bgQgwc6hQlbP0JJvgUX+0Kw1Qr60q7YyJAg6c9eqle8exmguEJb+i DSwsjIzvZz3AJrZU9YH115uYwjVaJIK5CMsJ0TzEgwQGZk1eVAnwDqYC2I7B8gc3m7E9 P+sQ== X-Received: by 10.68.113.99 with SMTP id ix3mr10085663pbb.180.1380326364237; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sriganeshkini@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.0.225 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:58:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08211EDA@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> References: <98952a55996f40da8cbcb663561f580b@BLUPR05MB070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08211182@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE082115B5@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE08211EDA@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> From: Sriganesh Kini Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:58:54 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UUJESP1hzONRlBaqVGHZ0SCBuAw Message-ID: To: Xuxiaohu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d82dc9d5bdb04e76646d2 Cc: Ross Callon , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "fanyb@gsta.com" Subject: Re: [mpls] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiDnrZTlpI06IE1QTFMgV0cgbGFzdCBjYWxsIG9u?= =?utf-8?q?_draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03=2Etxt?= X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:59:25 -0000 --047d7b6d82dc9d5bdb04e76646d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xu, The other draft I referred to was just an example to point out the difference with draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp. Let me re-phrase my concerns without referring to other drafts. 1. The approach uses dest UDP port number to map to a protocol identifier (in this case, MPLS) for the user-payload. If other protocols were to follow this approach we would be assigning a UDP port number for each such protocol identifier. This unnecessarily consumes the UDP port number space. Would be better to have a shim header that has a "protocol type". This should be after the UDP header but before the user payload. 2. This draft has no text on OAM issues for this encapsulation. Even though the UDP provides the advantage of load-balancing, how can a connectivity check at the IP layer that follows the same path as a user-payload be performed ? Having a shim header should allow such functions to be incorporated. These issues must be addressed before this is adopted as an RFC. In its current form I do not support this draft. - Sri On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote: > Hi Sri,**** > > ** ** > > Since you don=E2=80=99t see how that draft ( > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yong-l3vpn-nvgre-vxlan-encap-00) helps, > I=E2=80=99m curious to know why you had intentionally mentioned > draft-quinn-vxlan-gpe before. Have you found any significant difference > between them?**** > > ** ** > > Best regards,**** > > Xiaohu**** > > ** ** > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* sriganeshkini@gmail.com [mailto:sriganeshk= ini@gmail.com] *=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 *Sriganesh > Kini > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2013=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8826=E6=97= =A5 7:14 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Xuxiaohu > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* Ross Callon; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.= org; > fanyb@gsta.com > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [mpls] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: MPLS WG last call on= draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt*** > * > > ** ** > > Hi Xu,**** > > ** ** > > I read the other draft you pointed to and I don't see how that helps. Wha= t > I had said earlier was that having a protocol-id in a header following th= e > UDP header but before the user payload (in this draft the MPLS packet is > the user payload) keeps the design generic and any protocol (not just MPL= S > applications) can then use such an encapsulation. Standardizing UDP port > numbers to denote protocol types consumes the port number space and is > unnecessary. Another important point is that developing OAM using a heade= r > after the UDP hdr but before the user-payload is easier.**** > > **** > > - Sri**** > > ** ** > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote:***= * > > Hi Sri,**** > > **** > > It=E2=80=99s no problem provided that anybody was willing to use VXLAN-GP= E to > replace the existing MPLS-based applications such as L2 or L3 VPN service= s. > Furthermore, there is another choice for VXLAN extension other than > VXLAN-GPE, which has been described in > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yong-l3vpn-nvgre-vxlan-encap-00. I=E2=80= =99m > willing to hear your further comments on the comparison of these two > options for VXLAN extension (Maybe MPLS WG is not a suitable place to tal= k > about this topic).**** > > **** > > Xiaohu**** > > **** > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* sriganeshkini@gmail.com [mailto:sriganeshk= ini@gmail.com] *=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 *Sriganesh > Kini > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2013=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8824=E6=97= =A5 3:40 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Xuxiaohu > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* Ross Callon; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.= org; > fanyb@gsta.com > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [mpls] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: MPLS WG last call on= draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt*** > * > > **** > > Hi Xu,**** > > **** > > The existing encapsulations you pointed out were defined a long time ago. > Whereas the other two are just being proposed now. Moreover if we follow > this approach it will require standardizing UDP port numbers for each new > protocol to encap into UDP.**** > > **** > > - Sri**** > > **** > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote:**= * > * > > Hi Sri,**** > > **** > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces= @ietf.org] *=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 *Sriganesh > Kini > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2013=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8821=E6=97= =A5 7:06 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Ross Callon > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; fanyb@gs= ta.com > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-= udp-03.txt**** > > **** > > There is no reference cited for the "MPLS-in-IP" encapsulation.**** > > **** > > [Xiaohu] MPLS-in-IP and MPLS-in-GRE are actually specified in the same RF= C > that is RFC4023.**** > > **** > > What is the applicability of this encapsulation compared to the > generalized mechanism in draft-quinn-vxlan-gpe ?**** > > **** > > [Xiaohu] The applicability of this encapsulation is the same as the > existing IP-based encapsulations for MPLS (e.g., MPLS-in-GRE).**** > > **** > > Best regards,**** > > Xiaohu**** > > **** > > - Sri**** > > **** > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Ross Callon wrote:= * > *** > > Working Group,**** > > **** > > This is to start Working Group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.tx= t > **** > > **** > > Please send your comments to the mpls working group mailing list ( > mpls@ietf.org).**** > > **** > > Please send both technical comments, and (if you are happy with the > document as is) **** > > also send indications of support.**** > > **** > > There is one IPR claim that applies to this draft, which can be seen at:*= * > ** > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/**** > > **** > > The coauthors and contributor have indicated that they don=E2=80=99t know= of any > other **** > > IPR applicable to this draft. If anyone else in the working group is awar= e > of IPR **** > > claims against this draft, the time to disclose that is now.**** > > **** > > This working group last call will end on September 27, 2013.**** > > **** > > Ross**** > > for the wg co-chairs**** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls**** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls**** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > --047d7b6d82dc9d5bdb04e76646d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Xu,

The other draft I referred= to was just an example to point out the difference with draft-ietf-mpls-in= -udp.

Let me re-phrase my concerns without referring to other drafts= .
1. The approach uses dest UDP port number to map to a protocol i= dentifier (in this case, MPLS) for the user-payload. If other protocols wer= e to follow this approach we would be assigning a UDP port number for each = such protocol identifier. This unnecessarily consumes the UDP port number s= pace. Would be better to have a shim header that has a "protocol type&= quot;. This should be after the UDP header but before the user payload.
2. This draft has no text on OAM issues for this encapsulation. = Even though the UDP provides the advantage of load-balancing, how can a con= nectivity check at the IP layer that follows the same path as a user-payloa= d be performed ? Having a shim header should allow such functions to be inc= orporated.

These issues must be addressed before this is adopted = as an RFC. In its current form I do not support this draft.

- = Sri



On= Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Xuxiaohu <xuxiaohu@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Sri,=

=C2= =A0

Since you = don=E2=80=99t see how that draft (http://tools.ietf.org/html/d= raft-yong-l3vpn-nvgre-vxlan-encap-00) helps, I=E2=80=99m curious to know why you had intentionally mentioned dra= ft-quinn-vxlan-gpe before. Have you found any significant difference betwee= n them?

=C2= =A0

Best regar= ds,

Xiaohu<= /u>

=C2= =A0

=E5=8F= =91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: sriganeshkini@gmail.com [mailto:sriganeshkini@gmail.com] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Sriganesh Kini
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97= =B6=E9=97=B4: 2013=E5= =B9=B49=E6=9C=8826= =E6=97=A5 7:14
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Xuxiaohu
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Ross Callon; mpl= s@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; fanyb@gsta.com
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [mpls] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mp= ls-in-udp-03.txt

=C2=A0

Hi Xu,

=C2=A0

I read the other draft you poin= ted to and I don't see how that helps. What I had said earlier was that= having a protocol-id in a header following the UDP header but before the u= ser payload (in this draft the MPLS packet is the user payload) keeps the design generic and any protocol (not just M= PLS applications) can then use such an encapsulation. Standardizing UDP por= t numbers to denote protocol types consumes the port number space and is un= necessary. Another important point is that developing OAM using a header after the UDP hdr but before the use= r-payload is easier.

=C2=A0

- Sri

= =C2=A0

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 7:00 PM= , Xuxiaohu <xux= iaohu@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Sri,

=C2=A0

It=E2=80= =99s no problem provided that anybody was willing to use VXLAN-GPE to repla= ce the existing MPLS-based applications such as L2 or L3 VPN services. Furthermore, there = is another choice for VXLAN extension other than VXLAN-GPE, which has been = described in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yong-l3vpn-nvgre-vxlan-encap-00. I=E2= =80=99m willing to hear your further comments on the comparison of these tw= o options for VXLAN extension (Maybe MPLS WG is not a suitable place to tal= k about this topic).

=C2=A0

Xiaohu

=C2=A0

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: sriganeshkini@= gmail.com [mailto:sriganeshkini@gmail.com] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Sriganesh Kini
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9= =97=B4: 2013=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8824=E6=97=A5= 3:40
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Xuxiaohu
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Ross Callon; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; fanyb@gsta.com
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [mpls] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mp= ls-in-udp-03.txt

=C2=A0

Hi Xu,

=C2=A0

The existing encapsulations you= pointed out were defined a long time ago. Whereas the other two are just b= eing proposed now. Moreover if we follow this approach it will require standardizing UDP port numbers for each new protocol to en= cap into UDP.

=C2=A0

- Sri

= =C2=A0

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:02 P= M, Xuxiaohu <xu= xiaohu@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Sri,

=C2=A0

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: mpls-bounces@iet= f.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Sriganesh Kini
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9= =97=B4: 2013=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=8821=E6=97=A5= 7:06
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Ross Callon
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; fanyb@gsta.com
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [mpls] MPLS WG last call on draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt

=C2=A0

There is no reference cited for= the "MPLS-in-IP" encapsulation.

=C2=A0

[Xiaohu] M= PLS-in-IP and MPLS-in-GRE are actually specified in the same RFC that is RF= C4023.

=C2=A0

What is the applicability of th= is encapsulation compared to the generalized mechanism in=C2=A0draft-quinn-= vxlan-gpe ?

=C2=A0<= /span>

[Xiaohu] T= he applicability of this encapsulation is the same as the existing IP-based encapsulations for MPLS (e.g., MPLS-in-GRE).

=C2=A0

Best regar= ds,

Xiaohu

=C2=A0

- Sri

= =C2=A0

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:42 AM= , Ross Callon <= rcallon@juniper.net> wrote:

Working Group,

=C2=A0

This is to start Working= Group last call on=C2=A0 draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-03.txt

=C2=A0

Please send your comment= s to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org= ).

=C2=A0

Please send both technic= al comments, and (if you are happy with the document as is)

also send indications of= support.

=C2=A0

There is one IPR claim t= hat applies to this draft, which can be seen at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1941/

=C2=A0

The coauthors and contri= butor have indicated that they don=E2=80=99t know of any other

IPR applicable to this d= raft. If anyone else in the working group is aware of IPR

claims against this draf= t, the time to disclose that is now.<= /u>

=C2=A0

This working group last = call will end on September 27, 2013.<= /u>

=C2=A0

Ross

for the wg co-chairs

=C2=A0

=
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--047d7b6d82dc9d5bdb04e76646d2-- From loa@pi.nu Fri Sep 27 19:45:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB07121F9C34 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:45:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.217 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.217 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.382, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cQOTfI7L2IdU for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3B521E80AF for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [112.208.49.104]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B7D991802039; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 04:45:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <524642B3.3030908@pi.nu> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:45:07 +0800 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" , draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-group@tools.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [mpls] Poll to see if we have consensus to make draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-group a wg document X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 02:45:43 -0000 Working Group, This is to start a two week poll on te see if we have consensus to adopt draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-group-02 as an MPLS working group document. Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls at ietf.org). Please give a technical motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that the document should not be adopted as a working group document. This poll ends October 12, 2013. There are no IPR claims against this document: The author has stated on the working group mailing list that he is not aware of any IPR claims against this draft. However if you are on the the mpls working group mailing list and aware of IPR that relates to this draft, the time to disclose this is now. /Loa (mpls wg co-chair) -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From loa@pi.nu Fri Sep 27 19:51:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0FA21F9A43 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:51:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.252 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.252 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.347, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O1XZ52NjrCrp for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF42021E8095 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [112.208.49.104]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 908F51802039; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 04:50:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5246440A.5040302@pi.nu> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:50:50 +0800 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" , "draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-groups@tools.ietf.org" References: <524642B3.3030908@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <524642B3.3030908@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [mpls] Correction - Poll to see if we have consensus to make draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-groups a wg document X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 02:51:01 -0000 Folks, the correct name of the document is draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-groups-02 /Loa On 2013-09-28 10:45, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > This is to start a two week poll on te see if we have consensus to adopt > draft-osborne-mpls-extended-admin-group-02 as an MPLS working group > document. > > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working > group mailing list (mpls at ietf.org). Please give a technical > motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that > the document should not be adopted as a working group document. > > This poll ends October 12, 2013. > > There are no IPR claims against this document: > > The author has stated on the working group mailing list > that he is not aware of any IPR claims against this draft. > However if you are on the the mpls working group mailing list and > aware of IPR that relates to this draft, the time to disclose > this is now. > > /Loa > (mpls wg co-chair) -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From david.sinicrope@gmail.com Sat Sep 28 10:49:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2905611E8146; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:49:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.053 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.053 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.151, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MANGLED_LIST=2.3, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vvVhKzIH4Hmh; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qe0-x229.google.com (mail-qe0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::229]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E6411E8150; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 1so2770174qee.28 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:49:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:message-id:date :to:mime-version; bh=l4yWhe9exW8I5JtmOoK3ONBjisvfEsp22fk+8d2J7Vg=; b=Yr3Zn+EsJr1x+jSC4LVEVMPtkY1Z0fxCN50bUOlY6T7LHNtDP7slUyqBPgoDunkiMe NKNcMsmCtLWIgzvs1aZgv6eT0iqOdBHM9HYlBxNc2OZ0zCiiCEUv+k7/T6O61sZd1u9d R5K4DA4qGb/aO7sUSsclJb5LgHYN23dXcdWhUnxCXWP8BSUsDXP36dNLIkYx7kFuPEn3 zGqvjDs4TmilbohY0M5+IKtmLi7sonVFnIbl6x5pxjbF+y7xxpIlQp6SmxpUSAPrvSYE IeN4QN2aCgIQ+n9N6OTqxng7xYIf0eG8hD6T5bkzw4rzJuSn1+ok4MFfWjfsTjCM14an EVQA== X-Received: by 10.49.81.133 with SMTP id a5mr17389602qey.55.1380390595022; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.3.15] (cpe-065-190-204-004.nc.res.rr.com. [65.190.204.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a2sm24566148qek.7.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5C72F70D-5993-4EBD-8A87-DFA307E010FB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Sinicrope Message-Id: <1D52CF52-ED57-461C-87F0-1120D70798EB@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:49:53 -0400 To: "mpls@ietf.org" , "IETF.PWE3" , "karp@ietf.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPad Mail (11A465) Subject: [mpls] Mail with GoodReader attachments X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:49:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail-5C72F70D-5993-4EBD-8A87-DFA307E010FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The= Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts a= s they pass through IETF last call and IESG review. The purpose of the revie= w is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about th= e Routing Directorate, please see http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/routing.html Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it wou= ld be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call= comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or= by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello-crypto-auth-02 Reviewer: David Sinicrope Review Date: 28 September 2013 IETF LC End Date: 23 September 2013 Intended Status: Standards Track =20 o Summary: I have some major and minor concerns about this document that I think should= be resolved before publication. While I reviewed the document from the Rtg= Dir point of view, I would strongly suggest a thorough security related revi= ew, if not already done, before progressing to publication. =20 In general, I believe the document should be progressed to publication once t= he issues are resolved by the authors. The document assumes a working knowl= edge of KARP mechanisms. This should be stated up front with relevant refer= ences. I've attached a .pdf version of the document to this message for use by the a= uthors. Comments: --- Page 4 --- Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: Nit: sec1, para 1 1st sentence : c/runs/run Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: Minor- sec 1, para 2: start the second sentence with "Since the Hello messag= es are sent with UDP and not TCP..." Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: Minor - sec 1, para 2: change "Besides a note that some configuration may h= elp protect against bogus discovery messages, [RFC5036] does not really pro= vide any security mechanism to protect the Hello messages." To "While some c= onfiguration guidance is given in [RFC5036] to help protect against false di= scovery messages, it does not provide an explicit security mechanism to prot= ect the Hello messages." Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: Minor - global: c/Spoofing/Falsifying/ Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: Minor - sec 1, para 3: please give an example of a falsified Hello with a di= fferent transport address. Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: Nit - sec 1, para 4: remove first "that" in the fist sentence Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: Minor - sec 1 para 4, 1st sentence and global: remove "Basic". The text is i= ntroducing a new term of "Basic Hellos" that doesn't exist in RFC 5036. You= may be referring to "Link Hellos". See RFC 5036 sec 2.4. Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: Minor - sec 1 para 4 & global: remove "Extended" and replace with "Targeted"= . The text is introducing a new term of "Extended Hellos" that doesn't exist= in RFC 5036. You may be referring to "Targeted Hellos". See RFC 5036 sec 2= .4. Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: Nit - sec 1, para 5, sentence 1: c/message/messages/ --- Page 5 --- Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: Nit - global: refer consistently to "Hello message"s vs "Hellos" and "Hello p= ackets". Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: Major - Sec 1, para 6, last sentence: remove thisMinor - sec 1 para 4, 1st s= entence and global: remove "Basic". The text is introducing a new term of "B= asic Hellos" that doesn't exist in RFC 5036. You may be referring to "Link H= ellos". See RFC 5036 sec 2.4. last sentence, it is redundant with section 3= . --- Page 6 --- Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: Minor - sec 2.1, 1st para: remove 3rd sentence. Adds no value. Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: Major- s2.2, Auth Key ID: this field is conveying the algorithm AND the the s= ecret key. It should be atomic, I.e., the algorithm ID should be one field t= he key another. Major - s2.2, Auth Key ID: the composition of this field is not clear to the= casual reader. Exactly how is the algorithm identified and what portion is= the algorithm I'd and what part is the secret key? --- Page 7 --- Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: Nit - s2.2, p6: remove "really" in the penultimate sentence. Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: Major - s2.2, p6: what are the "available mechanisms" that are being require= d? I.e., if some one was to test compliance to the requirements of this draf= t what would they test for this? Without more specifics on how to meet the s= equence number requirement, the strictly increasing requirement in the parag= raph above is sufficient. Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: Major - s2.3, p1: it should be clearly stated that the high order 32 bits ar= e incremented on device boot, and low order 32 bit wrap. "This is currentl= y on given subtly in the previous section as "wrap/boot".=20 Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: Nit - s2.3, p1: "If by some chance..." Should start a new paragraph, --- Page 8 --- Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: Major - s3, p1, sentence 1: "... the Auth Key ID maps to the authentication= algorithm and the secret key used to..." Maps how exactly? As noted in ea= rlier comments it seems as those this field should be broken into two atomic= fields Auth Algorithm and Auth Key. Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: Nit - s3, p4: might be easier to see requirements as a list.=20 "Of the above, implementations of this specification: - MUST include support for at least HMAC-SHA-256 - SHOULD include support for HMAC-SHA-1 - MAY include support for HMAC-SHA-384 or HMAC-SHA-512 or both." Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: Nit- s3,p3:remove this paragraph/list, it is superfluous, with the paragraph= below and section 2.2 last paragraph. Further the word "includes" implies t= he list is not exhaustive. i.e., I can use MD5 if I wish. Question- s3,p3: Are other authentication hashes prohibited? If not how are= they identified and encoded? --- Page 9 --- Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: Major- s4: this is difficult to follow. =20 - the section makes reference to "the two octet LDP Cryptographic Protocol I= D" this field is not previously mentioned in this document. What is the ref= erence to this ID? Where is it defined? - The section makes reference to the "authentication key". Is this the same a= s the Authentication Key ID in section 2.2? -"Other protocols using cryptographic authentication as specified herein MU= ST similarly append their respective Cryptographic Protocol IDs to their ke= ys in this step." This document only specifies one protocol using crypto a= uthentication, I.e., LDP What are the others being referred to? =20 - This text first uses the term "Cryptographic Protocol ID". What is this? W= here is it defined? =46rom the IANA considerations it is clearer this refer= s to a KARP mechanism. Please add some explanation of how this mechanism fi= ts into the KARP framework. - could use more explanation or a reference to additional information on the= cross protocol attack problem being addressed.=20 - reference to "protocols sharing common keys," what does this mean? Please= elaborate. Perhaps an example would help. --- Page 10 --- Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: General- the RtgDir=20 Note - s5: I don't see any routing protocol issues with this. It should be r= eviewed for security and crypto issues. --- Page 12 --- Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: Nit - s6.1, p1, 1st sentence: add "the" after "transmitting" Nit - s6.1, p1, last sentence: make this a list Nit - s6.1, p2, 1st sentence: make this a separate paragraph (report generated by GoodReader) Sent from my iPad. Please excuse abbreviations, terse replies and auto-corre= ct errors.= --Apple-Mail-5C72F70D-5993-4EBD-8A87-DFA307E010FB Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-7D72ED40-704A-4610-BD19-4810A5F4F5F4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-7D72ED40-704A-4610-BD19-4810A5F4F5F4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this= draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-relat= ed drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review. The purpose o= f the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more informati= on about the Routing Directorate, please see
http://www.ietf.org/iesg= /directorate/routing.html

Although these comm= ents are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if yo= u could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you r= eceive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the dra= ft.

Document: draft-ietf-m= pls-ldp-hello-crypto-auth-02
Reviewer: David Sinicrope
R= eview Date: 28 September 2013
IETF LC End Date: 23 September 2013
Inte= nded Status: Standards Track
 
o Summary:
I have some major and minor concerns abo= ut this document that I think should be resolved before publication.  W= hile I reviewed the document from the RtgDir point of view, I would strongly= suggest a thorough security related review, if not already done, before pro= gressing to publication.  

In general, I believe the document should be progress= ed to publication once the issues are resolved by the authors.  The doc= ument assumes a working knowledge of KARP mechanisms.  This should be s= tated up front with relevant references.

=
I've attac= hed a .pdf version of the document to this message for use by the authors.

Comments:

--- Page 4 -= --

Note (yello= w), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:
Nit: sec1, para 1 1st sentence : c/runs/run

Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:=
Minor- sec 1, par= a 2: start the second sentence with "Since the Hello messages are sent with U= DP and not TCP..."

Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:
Minor - sec 1, para 2: change "Besides a note that s= ome  configuration may help protect against bogus discovery messages,&= nbsp; [RFC5036] does not really provide any security mechanism to protect&n= bsp; the Hello messages." To "While some configuration guidance is given in= [RFC5036] to help protect against false discovery messages, it does not pro= vide an explicit security mechanism to protect the Hello messages."
Note (yellow), Sep 27,= 2013, 3:04 PM:
Mi= nor - global: c/Spoofing/Falsifying/

Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:
Minor - sec 1, para 3: please giv= e an example of a falsified Hello with a different transport address.=

Note (yellow), Sep 2= 7, 2013, 3:04 PM:
= Nit - sec 1, para 4: remove first "that" in the fist sentence

= Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013,= 3:04 PM:
Minor - s= ec 1 para 4, 1st sentence and global: remove "Basic". The text is introducin= g a new term of "Basic Hellos" that doesn't exist in RFC 5036.  You may= be referring to "Link Hellos".  See RFC 5036 sec 2.4.

Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3= :04 PM:
Minor - se= c 1 para 4 & global: remove "Extended" and replace with "Targeted". The t= ext is introducing a new term of "Extended Hellos" that doesn't exist in RFC= 5036.  You may be referring to "Targeted Hellos".  See RFC 5036 s= ec 2.4.

Note (= yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:
Nit - sec 1, para 5, sentence 1: c/message/messages/

--- Page 5 ---

Note (yellow), Sep= 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:


No= te (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:
Major - Sec 1, para 6, last sentence: remove thisMinor - s= ec 1 para 4, 1st sentence and global: remove "Basic". The text is introducin= g a new term of "Basic Hellos" that doesn't exist in RFC 5036.  You may= be referring to "Link Hellos".  See RFC 5036 sec 2.4. last sentence, i= t is redundant with section 3.


--- Page 6 ---

Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:
Minor - sec 2.1, 1st para: remove 3= rd sentence.  Adds no value.

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Major- s2.2, Auth Key ID: this field= is conveying the algorithm AND the the secret key.  It should be atomi= c, I.e., the algorithm ID should be one field the key another.
Major - s2.2, Auth Key ID: t= he composition of this field is not clear to the casual reader.  Exactl= y how is the algorithm identified and what portion is the algorithm I'd and w= hat part is the secret key?


--- Page 7 ---

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Nit - s2.2, p6: remove "really" in th= e penultimate sentence.

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Major - s2.2, p6: what are the "available mech= anisms" that are being required? I.e., if some one was to test compliance to= the requirements of this draft what would they test for this?  Without= more specifics on how to meet the sequence number requirement, the strictly= increasing requirement in the paragraph above is sufficient.

= Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013,= 1:29 PM:
Major - s= 2.3, p1: it should be clearly stated that the high order 32 bits are  i= ncremented on device boot, and low order 32 bit wrap.  "This is current= ly on given subtly in the previous section as "wrap/boot".

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1= :29 PM:
Nit - s2.3= , p1: "If by some chance..."  Should start a new paragraph,
<= br>
--- Page 8 ---=

Note (yellow), Sep 2= 8, 2013, 1:29 PM:
= Major - s3, p1, sentence 1:  "... the Auth Key ID maps to the authentic= ation algorithm and the secret key used to..."  Maps how exactly? = As noted in earlier comments it seems as those this field should be broken i= nto two atomic fields Auth Algorithm and Auth Key.

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Nit - s3, p4: might= be easier to see requirements as a list.
"Of the above, implementations of this specificatio= n:
- MUST include s= upport for at least HMAC-SHA-256
- SHOULD include support for HMAC-SHA-1
- MAY include support for HMAC-SHA-384 o= r HMAC-SHA-512 or both."

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Nit- s3,p3:remove this paragraph/list, it is s= uperfluous, with the paragraph below and section 2.2 last paragraph.  Fu= rther the word "includes" implies the list is not exhaustive.  i.e., I c= an use MD5 if I wish.

Question- s3,p3: Are other authentication hashes prohibited?  I= f not how are they identified and encoded?


--- Page 9 ---

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Major- s4:  this i= s difficult to follow. 
- the section makes reference to "the two octet LDP Cryptographi= c Protocol ID" this field is not previously mentioned in this document. = ; What is the reference to this ID? Where is it defined?

- The section makes reference to t= he "authentication key". Is this the same as the Authentication Key ID in se= ction 2.2?

-"O= ther protocols  using cryptographic authentication as specified herein= MUST similarly  append their respective Cryptographic Protocol IDs to= their keys in  this step."  This document only specifies one pro= tocol using crypto authentication, I.e., LDP What are the others being refer= red to? 

- This text first uses the term "Cryptographic Protocol ID". What is this?&= nbsp; Where is it defined?  =46rom the IANA considerations it is cleare= r this refers to a KARP mechanism.  Please add some explanation of how t= his mechanism fits into the KARP framework.

- could use more explanation or a reference to= additional information on the cross protocol attack problem being addressed= .

- reference= to "protocols sharing common keys," what does this mean?  Please elabo= rate. Perhaps an example would help.


--- Page 10 ---

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:General- the RtgDir =

Note - s5: I don't s= ee any routing protocol issues with this.  It should be reviewed for se= curity and crypto issues.


--- Page 12 ---

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Nit - s6.1, p1, 1st sentence: add "the= " after "transmitting"
Nit - s6.1, p1, last sentence: make this a list
Nit - s6.1, p2, 1st sentence: make this a s= eparate paragraph



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[65.190.204.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n7sm31902881qai.1.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:55:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <1D52CF52-ED57-461C-87F0-1120D70798EB@gmail.com> From: David Sinicrope Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-223F57E2-41D5-4121-982C-75779F7C49CF X-Mailer: iPad Mail (11A465) Message-Id: <1D31F38C-9452-45DD-8E43-5243BD13FDD2@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:55:03 -0400 To: mpls@ietf.org, "IETF.PWE3" , karp@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: [mpls] RtgDir review of draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello-crypto-auth-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:55:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail-223F57E2-41D5-4121-982C-75779F7C49CF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This time with a more relevant subject on the email. Dave > Hello, >=20 > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. T= he Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts= as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review. The purpose of the rev= iew is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about t= he Routing Directorate, please see > http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/routing.html >=20 > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it w= ould be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Ca= ll comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion o= r by updating the draft. >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello-crypto-auth-02 > Reviewer: David Sinicrope > Review Date: 28 September 2013 > IETF LC End Date: 23 September 2013 > Intended Status: Standards Track > =20 > o Summary: > I have some major and minor concerns about this document that I think shou= ld be resolved before publication. While I reviewed the document from the R= tgDir point of view, I would strongly suggest a thorough security related re= view, if not already done, before progressing to publication. =20 >=20 > In general, I believe the document should be progressed to publication onc= e the issues are resolved by the authors. The document assumes a working kn= owledge of KARP mechanisms. This should be stated up front with relevant re= ferences. >=20 > I've attached a .pdf version of the document to this message for use by th= e authors. >=20 > Comments: >=20 > --- Page 4 --- >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: > Nit: sec1, para 1 1st sentence : c/runs/run >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: > Minor- sec 1, para 2: start the second sentence with "Since the Hello mess= ages are sent with UDP and not TCP..." >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: > Minor - sec 1, para 2: change "Besides a note that some configuration may= help protect against bogus discovery messages, [RFC5036] does not really p= rovide any security mechanism to protect the Hello messages." To "While som= e configuration guidance is given in [RFC5036] to help protect against false= discovery messages, it does not provide an explicit security mechanism to p= rotect the Hello messages." >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: > Minor - global: c/Spoofing/Falsifying/ >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: > Minor - sec 1, para 3: please give an example of a falsified Hello with a d= ifferent transport address. >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: > Nit - sec 1, para 4: remove first "that" in the fist sentence >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: > Minor - sec 1 para 4, 1st sentence and global: remove "Basic". The text is= introducing a new term of "Basic Hellos" that doesn't exist in RFC 5036. Y= ou may be referring to "Link Hellos". See RFC 5036 sec 2.4. >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: > Minor - sec 1 para 4 & global: remove "Extended" and replace with "Targete= d". The text is introducing a new term of "Extended Hellos" that doesn't exi= st in RFC 5036. You may be referring to "Targeted Hellos". See RFC 5036 se= c 2.4. >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: > Nit - sec 1, para 5, sentence 1: c/message/messages/ >=20 >=20 > --- Page 5 --- >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: > Nit - global: refer consistently to "Hello message"s vs "Hellos" and "Hell= o packets". >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: > Major - Sec 1, para 6, last sentence: remove thisMinor - sec 1 para 4, 1st= sentence and global: remove "Basic". The text is introducing a new term of "= Basic Hellos" that doesn't exist in RFC 5036. You may be referring to "Link= Hellos". See RFC 5036 sec 2.4. last sentence, it is redundant with section= 3. >=20 >=20 > --- Page 6 --- >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM: > Minor - sec 2.1, 1st para: remove 3rd sentence. Adds no value. >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: > Major- s2.2, Auth Key ID: this field is conveying the algorithm AND the th= e secret key. It should be atomic, I.e., the algorithm ID should be one fie= ld the key another. >=20 > Major - s2.2, Auth Key ID: the composition of this field is not clear to t= he casual reader. Exactly how is the algorithm identified and what portion i= s the algorithm I'd and what part is the secret key? >=20 >=20 > --- Page 7 --- >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: > Nit - s2.2, p6: remove "really" in the penultimate sentence. >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: > Major - s2.2, p6: what are the "available mechanisms" that are being requi= red? I.e., if some one was to test compliance to the requirements of this dr= aft what would they test for this? Without more specifics on how to meet th= e sequence number requirement, the strictly increasing requirement in the pa= ragraph above is sufficient. >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: > Major - s2.3, p1: it should be clearly stated that the high order 32 bits a= re incremented on device boot, and low order 32 bit wrap. "This is current= ly on given subtly in the previous section as "wrap/boot".=20 >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: > Nit - s2.3, p1: "If by some chance..." Should start a new paragraph, >=20 >=20 > --- Page 8 --- >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: > Major - s3, p1, sentence 1: "... the Auth Key ID maps to the authenticati= on algorithm and the secret key used to..." Maps how exactly? As noted in e= arlier comments it seems as those this field should be broken into two atomi= c fields Auth Algorithm and Auth Key. >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: > Nit - s3, p4: might be easier to see requirements as a list.=20 > "Of the above, implementations of this specification: > - MUST include support for at least HMAC-SHA-256 > - SHOULD include support for HMAC-SHA-1 > - MAY include support for HMAC-SHA-384 or HMAC-SHA-512 or both." >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: > Nit- s3,p3:remove this paragraph/list, it is superfluous, with the paragra= ph below and section 2.2 last paragraph. Further the word "includes" implie= s the list is not exhaustive. i.e., I can use MD5 if I wish. >=20 > Question- s3,p3: Are other authentication hashes prohibited? If not how a= re they identified and encoded? >=20 >=20 > --- Page 9 --- >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: > Major- s4: this is difficult to follow. =20 > - the section makes reference to "the two octet LDP Cryptographic Protocol= ID" this field is not previously mentioned in this document. What is the r= eference to this ID? Where is it defined? >=20 > - The section makes reference to the "authentication key". Is this the sam= e as the Authentication Key ID in section 2.2? >=20 > -"Other protocols using cryptographic authentication as specified herein M= UST similarly append their respective Cryptographic Protocol IDs to their k= eys in this step." This document only specifies one protocol using crypto a= uthentication, I.e., LDP What are the others being referred to? =20 >=20 > - This text first uses the term "Cryptographic Protocol ID". What is this?= Where is it defined? =46rom the IANA considerations it is clearer this re= fers to a KARP mechanism. Please add some explanation of how this mechanism= fits into the KARP framework. >=20 > - could use more explanation or a reference to additional information on t= he cross protocol attack problem being addressed.=20 >=20 > - reference to "protocols sharing common keys," what does this mean? Plea= se elaborate. Perhaps an example would help. >=20 >=20 > --- Page 10 --- >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: > General- the RtgDir=20 >=20 > Note - s5: I don't see any routing protocol issues with this. It should b= e reviewed for security and crypto issues. >=20 >=20 > --- Page 12 --- >=20 > Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM: > Nit - s6.1, p1, 1st sentence: add "the" after "transmitting" > Nit - s6.1, p1, last sentence: make this a list > Nit - s6.1, p2, 1st sentence: make this a separate paragraph >=20 >=20 >=20 > (report generated by GoodReader) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPad. 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This time with a more relevant subj= ect on the email.
Dave

Hello,

I have b= een selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing= Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they p= ass through IETF last call and IESG review. The purpose of the review is to p= rovide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing= Directorate, please see
http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/routing= .html

Although these comments are primarily f= or the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider the= m along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive t= o resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft.

<= span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Document: draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-hello-crypto= -auth-02
Reviewer:= David Sinicrope
Review Date: 28 Septe= mber 2013
IETF LC End Date: 23 September 2013
Intended Status: Standar= ds Track
 
= o Summary:
I have some major and minor concerns about this document that I= think should be resolved before publication.  While I reviewed the doc= ument from the RtgDir point of view, I would strongly suggest a thorough sec= urity related review, if not already done, before progressing to publication= .  

= In general, I believe the document should be progressed to publication once t= he issues are resolved by the authors.  The document assumes a working k= nowledge of KARP mechanisms.  This should be stated up front with relev= ant references.

I've attached a .pdf version of the= document to this message for use by the authors.

Comments:

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Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:<= /span>
Nit: sec1, para 1 1= st sentence : c/runs/run

Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:
Minor- sec 1, para 2: start the second senten= ce with "Since the Hello messages are sent with UDP and not TCP..."
Note (yellow), Sep 27,= 2013, 3:04 PM:
Mi= nor - sec 1, para 2: change "Besides a note that some  configuration m= ay help protect against bogus discovery messages,  [RFC5036] does not r= eally provide any security mechanism to protect  the Hello messages." T= o "While some configuration guidance is given in [RFC5036] to help protect a= gainst false discovery messages, it does not provide an explicit security me= chanism to protect the Hello messages."

Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:
Minor - global: c/Spoofing/Fal= sifying/

Note (= yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:
Minor - sec 1, para 3: please give an example of a falsified H= ello with a different transport address.

Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:
<= span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Nit - sec 1, para 4: remove f= irst "that" in the fist sentence

Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:
Minor - sec 1 para 4, 1st sentence an= d global: remove "Basic". The text is introducing a new term of "Basic Hello= s" that doesn't exist in RFC 5036.  You may be referring to "Link Hello= s".  See RFC 5036 sec 2.4.

Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:
Minor - sec 1 para 4 & global: rem= ove "Extended" and replace with "Targeted". The text is introducing a new te= rm of "Extended Hellos" that doesn't exist in RFC 5036.  You may be ref= erring to "Targeted Hellos".  See RFC 5036 sec 2.4.

Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04= PM:
Nit - sec 1, p= ara 5, sentence 1: c/message/messages/


--- Page 5 ---

Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:Nit - global: refer consis= tently to "Hello message"s vs "Hellos" and "Hello packets".

Note (yellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3= :04 PM:
Major - Se= c 1, para 6, last sentence: remove thisMinor - sec 1 para 4, 1st sentence an= d global: remove "Basic". The text is introducing a new term of "Basic Hello= s" that doesn't exist in RFC 5036.  You may be referring to "Link Hello= s".  See RFC 5036 sec 2.4. last sentence, it is redundant with section 3= .


--- Page= 6 ---

Note (y= ellow), Sep 27, 2013, 3:04 PM:
Minor - sec 2.1, 1st para: remove 3rd sentence.  Adds no v= alue.

Note (ye= llow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Major- s2.2, Auth Key ID: this field is conveying the algorithm A= ND the the secret key.  It should be atomic, I.e., the algorithm ID sho= uld be one field the key another.

Major - s2.2, Auth Key ID: the composition of this field= is not clear to the casual reader.  Exactly how is the algorithm ident= ified and what portion is the algorithm I'd and what part is the secret key?=


--- Page 7= ---

Note (yel= low), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Nit - s2.2, p6: remove "really" in the penultimate sentence.

Note (yellow), Sep= 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:


Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Major - s2.3, p1: it should be clear= ly stated that the high order 32 bits are  incremented on device boot, a= nd low order 32 bit wrap.  "This is currently on given subtly in the pr= evious section as "wrap/boot".

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Nit - s2.3, p1: "If by some chance..."=   Should start a new paragraph,


--- Page 8 ---

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
= Major - s3, p1, sentence 1:&= nbsp; "... the Auth Key ID maps to the authentication algorithm and the secr= et key used to..."  Maps how exactly?  As noted in earlier comment= s it seems as those this field should be broken into two atomic fields Auth A= lgorithm and Auth Key.

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Nit - s3, p4: might be easier to see requiremen= ts as a list.
"Of= the above, implementations of this specification:
- MUST include support for at least HMAC-SH= A-256
- SHOULD inc= lude support for HMAC-SHA-1
- MAY include support for HMAC-SHA-384 or HMAC-SHA-512 or both."

Note (yellow), S= ep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Nit- s3,p3:remove this paragraph/list, it is superfluous, with the parag= raph below and section 2.2 last paragraph.  Further the word "includes"= implies the list is not exhaustive.  i.e., I can use MD5 if I wish.

Question- s3,p3:= Are other authentication hashes prohibited?  If not how are they ident= ified and encoded?


--- Page 9 ---

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Major- s4:  this is difficult to follow.&= nbsp;
- the secti= on makes reference to "the two octet LDP Cryptographic Protocol ID" this fie= ld is not previously mentioned in this document.  What is the reference= to this ID? Where is it defined?

- The section makes reference to the "authentication key= ". Is this the same as the Authentication Key ID in section 2.2?
<= br>-"Other protocols  u= sing cryptographic authentication as specified herein MUST similarly  a= ppend their respective Cryptographic Protocol IDs to their keys in  th= is step."  This document only specifies one protocol using crypto authe= ntication, I.e., LDP What are the others being referred to? 
- This text first uses t= he term "Cryptographic Protocol ID". What is this?  Where is it defined= ?  =46rom the IANA considerations it is clearer this refers to a KARP m= echanism.  Please add some explanation of how this mechanism fits into t= he KARP framework.

- could use more explanation or a reference to additional information o= n the cross protocol attack problem being addressed.

- reference to "protocols sharing co= mmon keys," what does this mean?  Please elaborate. Perhaps an example w= ould help.


--- Page 10 ---

Note (yellow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
General- the RtgDir

Note - s5: I don't see any routing protocol is= sues with this.  It should be reviewed for security and crypto issues.<= /span>


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Note (ye= llow), Sep 28, 2013, 1:29 PM:
Nit - s6.1, p1, 1st sentence: add "the" after "transmitting"
Nit - s6.1, p1, last s= entence: make this a list
Nit - s6.1, p2, 1st sentence: make this a separate paragraph<= br>


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--Apple-Mail-83813DB7-6946-440F-8822-5860FAAACE61-- --Apple-Mail-223F57E2-41D5-4121-982C-75779F7C49CF-- From chen.ran@zte.com.cn Sat Sep 28 23:59:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F1821F9E73 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 23:59:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UALoKmD8zr-z for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 23:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx5.zte.com.cn (mx5.zte.com.cn [63.217.80.70]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C74421F9D87 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 23:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zte.com.cn (unknown [192.168.168.119]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTP id BB709128296D for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:59:10 +0800 (CST) Received: from mse02.zte.com.cn (unknown [10.30.3.21]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id DA1CA700F31; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:59:09 +0800 (CST) Received: from notes_smtp.zte.com.cn ([10.30.1.239]) by mse02.zte.com.cn with ESMTP id r8T6xDBG063664; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:59:13 +0800 (GMT-8) (envelope-from chen.ran@zte.com.cn) To: Loa Andersson , mpls@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: 42A4E76E:11235F8E-48257BF5:00256DDF; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.5.3 September 15, 2011 Message-ID: From: chen.ran@zte.com.cn Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:59:05 +0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes_smtp/zte_ltd(Release 8.5.3FP1 HF212|May 23, 2012) at 2013-09-29 14:59:03, Serialize complete at 2013-09-29 14:59:03 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 00265AE948257BF5_=" X-MAIL: mse02.zte.com.cn r8T6xDBG063664 Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 06:59:35 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00265AE948257BF5_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi, Support. Regards, Ranchen ---------------------------------------- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:56:16 +0200 From: Loa Andersson To: "mpls@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp@tools.ietf.org, "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp Message-ID: <5236F1E0.5060502@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Working Group, this is to start a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp-01. Please send your comment to working group mailing lists (mpls@ietf.org). We have done IPR poll on this document prior to starting the wglc. All the authors responded to the IPR poll that they are not aware of any IPR's relating to this document other than the one IPR already disclosed while this document was an individual document. One author, the inventor and the company that disclosed the IPR says that it is still valid for the working group document. There are one IPRs disclosed against this document, however the IPR disclosure count is "4", this seems to be a bug and the correct count should be "1". The working group last call will end Friday September 30, 2913. /Loa -- --=_alternative 00265AE948257BF5_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Hi,

Support.

Regards,
Ranchen

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:56:16 +0200
From: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
To: "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>,
                draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp@tools.ietf.org,
                "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org"
<mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>,                 "VIGOUREUX,
                MARTIN (MARTIN)" <martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>
Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp
Message-ID: <5236F1E0.5060502@pi.nu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Working Group,

this is to start a two week working group last call on
draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-hsmp-01.

Please send your comment to working group mailing lists (mpls@ietf.org).

We have done IPR poll on this document prior to starting the wglc.
All the authors responded to the IPR poll that they are not aware of any
IPR's relating to this document other than the one IPR already disclosed
while this document was an individual document. One author, the inventor and
the company that disclosed the IPR says that it is still valid for the
working group document.

There are one IPRs disclosed against this document, however the IPR
disclosure count is "4", this seems to be a bug and the correct count should
be "1".

The working group last call will end Friday September 30, 2913.

/Loa

-- --=_alternative 00265AE948257BF5_=-- From loa@pi.nu Sun Sep 29 20:57:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B08A21F9D94 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 20:57:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.669 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.669 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.362, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r0tA62aii2sS for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 20:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D27C21F9D8D for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 20:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [112.208.49.104]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 179B118014F6; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:57:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5248F6A9.2010804@pi.nu> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:57:29 +0800 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path Subject: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path as a working group document X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:57:42 -0000 Working Group, This is to start a two week poll on te see if we have consensus to adopt draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path-04 as an MPLS working group document. Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls at ietf.org). Please give a technical motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that the document should not be adopted as a working group document. This poll ends October 15, 2013. There are one IPR claim disclosed against this document, #2200. The authors has stated on the working group mailing list or directly to the working group chairs that the are not aware of any IPR claims against this draft; other than the one mentioned above. However if you are on the the mpls working group mailing list and aware of IPR that relates to this draft, the time to disclose this is now. /Loa (mpls wg co-chair) -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From dhruv.dhody@huawei.com Sun Sep 29 21:24:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A6C21F99D5 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:24:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.116, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ReKFHwIIQNtJ for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB8121F8A38 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AYK37638; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:24:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:23:19 +0100 Received: from SZXEML457-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.200) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:24:17 +0100 Received: from szxeml556-mbs.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.139]) by szxeml457-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.200]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:24:13 +0800 From: Dhruv Dhody To: Loa Andersson Thread-Topic: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path as a working group document Thread-Index: AQHOvZFJBRBHI+VVt0mpDH16DKnDwJndrX+A Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:24:12 +0000 Message-ID: <23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B448A9ACD@szxeml556-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <5248F6A9.2010804@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <5248F6A9.2010804@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-GB, zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.18.146.248] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path Subject: Re: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path as a working group document X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:24:31 -0000 Support!=20 This document describes useful details regarding the use of network perform= ance criteria (delay etc), and is a good stage to be adopted and worked on = by the WG.=20 Regards, Dhruv --------------------------------------------------------------- Dhruv Dhody=20 System Architect,=20 Huawei Technologies India Pvt. Ltd., Banagalore Mobile: +91-9845062422 This e-mail and its attachments contain confidential information from HUAWE= I, which=20 is intended only for the person or entity whose address is listed above. An= y use of the=20 information contained herein in any way (including, but not limited to, tot= al or partial=20 disclosure, reproduction, or dissemination) by persons other than the inten= ded=20 recipient(s) is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please not= ify the sender by=20 phone or email immediately and delete it! > -----Original Message----- > From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of L= oa > Andersson > Sent: 30 September 2013 09:27 > Cc: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; draft-atlas-mpls-te-expres= s- > path > Subject: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt draft-atlas-mpl= s- > te-express-path as a working group document >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > This is to start a two week poll on te see if we have consensus to adopt > draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path-04 as an MPLS working group document. >=20 > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working group > mailing list (mpls at ietf.org). Please give a technical motivation for y= our > support/not support, especially if you think that the document should not= be > adopted as a working group document. >=20 > This poll ends October 15, 2013. >=20 > There are one IPR claim disclosed against this document, #2200. >=20 > The authors has stated on the working group mailing list or directly to t= he > working group chairs that the are not aware of any IPR claims against thi= s > draft; other than the one mentioned above. > However if you are on the the mpls working group mailing list and aware o= f > IPR that relates to this draft, the time to disclose this is now. >=20 > /Loa > (mpls wg co-chair) > -- >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com Sun Sep 29 21:26:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC4021F8FAC for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:26:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.217, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Hu+fFWW2hwt for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABD721F99D5 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:26:48 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-b7fe28e000000d82-29-5248fd889cb4 Received: from EUSAAHC005.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.87]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 37.A9.03458.88DF8425; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 06:26:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB109.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.126]) by EUSAAHC005.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.87]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:26:47 -0400 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Loa Andersson Thread-Topic: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path as a working group document Thread-Index: AQHOvZE/2dIdEudof0actkUQZZ75xpndr2pv Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:26:47 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5248F6A9.2010804@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <5248F6A9.2010804@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrELMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPuG7HX48gg7fdEhY7Lxxisvg3dw6z xfdLS1gsbi1dyerA4rFkyU8mj1nT29g8vlz+zBbAHMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CV8Xb9R5aCLu6K 04ffMTUwnuXoYuTkkBAwkdj17DIrhC0mceHeerYuRi4OIYGjjBJNf94yQzjLGSXmHP3JBFLF JmAg8f/bcRYQW0RAVuLaNpA4FwezwDZGicV3Z4CNEhaokTjYuZoZoqhWYtre82wQtpHEgqcT wOIsAqoSO09PA6vnFbCXePlhFtgCIQEViQWrD7OD2JxANY3LL4MtYwQ67/upNWA1zALiEree zGeCOFtAYsme88wQtqjEy8f/WCFqdCQW7P7EBmFrSyxb+JoZYpegxMmZT1gmMIrOQjJqFpKW WUhaZiFpWcDIsoqRo7Q4tSw33chwEyMwXo5JsDnuYFzwyfIQozQHi5I475e3zkFCAumJJanZ qakFqUXxRaU5qcWHGJk4OKUaGNsWef/i23N+bd+UzAULr+6TflE5z2Z+3f0DO8KLyzboPoz4 deilW6Zx5Qx92d9XFJa883R8J70qjdvqYE+i9mv2Nra5PBqOQYHOjSd8d7DM4k+T8kxSOnLz +AyBq2Umvg7JAv1n7gkn/FbYsuz76lD3dKHwrze+ysnl7pjon+u7UHVpytfv8UosxRmJhlrM RcWJAKL0jbplAgAA Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path Subject: Re: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path as a working group document X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:26:57 -0000 Yes/ support Regards, Jeff > On Sep 29, 2013, at 20:57, "Loa Andersson" wrote: >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > This is to start a two week poll on te see if we have consensus to adopt > draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path-04 as an MPLS working group document. >=20 > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working > group mailing list (mpls at ietf.org). Please give a technical > motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that > the document should not be adopted as a working group document. >=20 > This poll ends October 15, 2013. >=20 > There are one IPR claim disclosed against this document, #2200. >=20 > The authors has stated on the working group mailing list or directly to > the working group chairs that the are not aware of any IPR claims > against this draft; other than the one mentioned above. > However if you are on the the mpls working group mailing list and > aware of IPR that relates to this draft, the time to disclose > this is now. >=20 > /Loa > (mpls wg co-chair) > --=20 >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org Mon Sep 30 03:46:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1924421F8443 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:46:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZUkAcYS34pFg for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E77F21F9399 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:46:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.72 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130930104638.31558.39115.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:46:38 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Subject: [mpls] Milestones changed for mpls WG X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:46:44 -0000 Deleted milestone "Submit draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-mpls-tp-oam-conf = for publication". URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ From ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org Mon Sep 30 04:48:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A8B21F995A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:48:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J7FfL8VmrL+1 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F93D21F9C7A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:48:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.72 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130930114842.31558.6519.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:48:42 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Subject: [mpls] Milestones changed for mpls WG X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:48:46 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit draft-ietf-mpls-tp-p2mp-framework for publication", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "Submit draft-ietf-mpls-smp-requirements for publication", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Sep 30 08:22:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F75D21F9B65; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 08:22:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ql5vKfhXfyHV; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 08:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7982721F9AA1; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 08:22:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.72 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130930152230.31558.28144.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 08:22:30 -0700 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-p2mp-framework-02.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:22:36 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Gro= up of the IETF. Title : A Framework for Point-to-Multipoint MPLS in Transport Ne= tworks Author(s) : Dan Frost Stewart Bryant Matthew Bocci Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-tp-p2mp-framework-02.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2013-09-30 Abstract: The Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) is the common set of MPLS protocol functions defined to enable the construction and operation of packet transport networks. The MPLS-TP supports both point-to-point and point-to-multipoint transport paths. This document defines the elements and functions of the MPLS-TP architecture applicable specifically to supporting point-to- multipoint transport paths. This document is a product of a joint Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) / International Telecommunication Union Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T) effort to include an MPLS Transport Profile within the IETF MPLS and PWE3 architectures to support the capabilities and functions of a packet transport network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-p2mp-framework There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-p2mp-framework-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-tp-p2mp-framework-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:44:58 +0000 Received: from BLUPR05MB070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.15.85]) by BLUPR05MB070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.15.85]) with mapi id 15.00.0775.005; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:44:57 +0000 From: Ross Callon To: "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Progression of four PSC drafts Thread-Index: AQHOvfxlTojbSTXRZE+AfRzGcVP25Q== Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:44:56 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.129.232.2] x-forefront-prvs: 0985DA2459 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_b48365d6483c4137af217a721d9e0972BLUPR05MB070namprd05pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Cc: "huub.van.helvoort@huawei.com" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] Progression of four PSC drafts X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:45:15 -0000 --_000_b48365d6483c4137af217a721d9e0972BLUPR05MB070namprd05pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Authors, MPLS WG; Having completed MPLS-RT reviews with many comments, the MPLS WG chairs have been discussing how to make progress on four documents related to Protection Switching: - draft-cdh-mpls-tp-psc-non-revertive - draft-dj-mpls-tp-exer-psc - draft-rhd-mpls-tp-psc-priority - draft-rhd-mpls-tp-psc-sd We are thinking that the best approach involves asking for these documents = to be merged, and to appoint a couple of editors to work on doing the merge and i= mproving the quality of the documents. We are very pleased that Jeong-dong Ryoo and = Eric Gray have agreed to help us out as editors. We would expect that the new document would replace the four documents list= ed above, and that the authors of the above documents would all be listed as "= contributors", "contributing authors", or as authors of the new document. Thanks, Ross (for the MPLS WG chairs) --_000_b48365d6483c4137af217a721d9e0972BLUPR05MB070namprd05pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Authors, MPLS WG;
 
Having completed MPLS-RT reviews with many comments, the MPLS WG chair= s
have been discussing how to make progress on four documents related to=
Protection Switching:
 
- draft-cdh-mpls-tp-psc-non-revertive
- draft-dj-mpls-tp-exer-psc
- draft-rhd-mpls-tp-psc-priority
- draft-rhd-mpls-tp-psc-sd
 
We are thinking that the best approach involves asking for these docum= ents to be
merged, and to appoint a couple of editors to work on doing the merge = and improving
the quality of the documents. We are very pleased that Jeong-dong Ryoo= and Eric Gray
have agreed to help us out as editors.
 
We would expect that the new document would replace the four documents= listed
above, and that the authors of the above documents would all be listed= as “contributors”, 
“contributing authors”, or as authors of the new document.=
 
Thanks, Ross
(for the MPLS WG chairs)
 
 --_000_b48365d6483c4137af217a721d9e0972BLUPR05MB070namprd05pro_-- From sriganeshkini@gmail.com Mon Sep 30 12:19:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC88621F8EA8 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:19:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.766 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.766 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.833, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c8lZ0H289AuB for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x236.google.com (mail-pa0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F415721F9A16 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id kx10so6298064pab.41 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:19:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=rMVaolB5o3IWvE6wJTXG1bL6Lh1/dcO7jugJ5nnWXXA=; b=BRpXEA6xURly+wLG4GE5lWibTiuxd7FiWukLOSm37C3Nc/HGd/HAwXKZWqSJbW8HmM NyyFgizdvROck0NzaqwmOet5oHSjfOfyXOzPGYb4buapKp/pYVxDpAkuk82WLEKYRix8 bYDWOcXQH3LEcyIweacoDcAhy6plzSEITiJpKiZsYezApDe7L6yP/OGba2AeGXNJCwva ffCkVeL4I1OYJq9SaBiJ5zo6WE/zY4b6Y6cRY0mleHVRyCrucouyUAAqYiKPRHt6Rugu k0FKRJwvU8s2wUpxrzmxdEY44Gf9v+B0+8R6jMJTOCr69OWkJ5eqokfuUfzRVwTk9tWj hUGA== X-Received: by 10.68.234.41 with SMTP id ub9mr3145595pbc.201.1380568776667; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:19:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.70.0.225 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:19:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5248F6A9.2010804@pi.nu> References: <5248F6A9.2010804@pi.nu> From: Sri Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:19:06 -0700 Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33d956857b4d04e79eb74f Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path Subject: Re: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path as a working group document X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:19:43 -0000 --047d7b33d956857b4d04e79eb74f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Support making this a WG doc. - Sri On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > This is to start a two week poll on te see if we have consensus to adopt > draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-**path-04 as an MPLS working group document. > > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working > group mailing list (mpls at ietf.org). Please give a technical > motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that > the document should not be adopted as a working group document. > > This poll ends October 15, 2013. > > There are one IPR claim disclosed against this document, #2200. > > The authors has stated on the working group mailing list or directly to > the working group chairs that the are not aware of any IPR claims > against this draft; other than the one mentioned above. > However if you are on the the mpls working group mailing list and > aware of IPR that relates to this draft, the time to disclose > this is now. > > /Loa > (mpls wg co-chair) > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > ______________________________**_________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/mpls > --047d7b33d956857b4d04e79eb74f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support making this a WG doc.

- Sri


On Su= n, Sep 29, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group,

This is to start a two week poll on te see if we have consensus to adopt draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path-04 as an MPLS working group documen= t.

Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working
group mailing list (mpls at i= etf.org). Please give a technical
motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that
the document should not be adopted as a working group document.

This poll ends October 15, 2013.

There are one IPR claim disclosed against this document, #2200.

The authors has stated on the working group mailing list or directly to
the working group chairs that the are not aware of any IPR claims
against this draft; other than the one mentioned above.
However if you are on the the mpls working group mailing list and
aware of IPR that relates to this draft, the time to disclose
this is now.

/Loa
(mpls wg co-chair)
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