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Working Group, Deborah,

This errata has been posted four two weeks, with no one speaking
up against it.

We've consulted with the authors, they agree that is is correct.

I think we are ready to approve it.

Deborah,

Can you mark the errata approved.

/Loa
mpls wg co-chair

On 2016-01-16 04:08, RFC Errata System wrote:
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7439,
> "Gap Analysis for Operating IPv6-Only MPLS Networks".
>
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=7439&eid=4595
>
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Editorial
> Reported by: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
>
> Section: 3.5
>
> Original Text
> -------------
>     RFC 3811 [RFC3811] defines the textual conventions for MPLS.  These
>     lack support for IPv6 in defining MplsExtendedTunnelId and
>     MplsLsrIdentifier.  These textual conventions are used in the MPLS-TE
>     MIB specification [RFC3812], the GMPLS-TE MIB specification [RFC4802]
>     and the FRR extension [RFC6445].  "Definitions of Textual Conventions
>     (TCs) for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Management" [MPLS-TC]
>     tries to resolve this gap by marking this textual convention as
>     obsolete.
>
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>     RFC 3811 [RFC3811] defines the textual conventions for MPLS.  These
>     lack support for IPv6 in defining MplsExtendedTunnelId.  This textual
>     conventions is used in the MPLS-TE MIB specification [RFC3812], the
>     GMPLS-TE MIB specification [RFC4802], and the FRR extension
>     [RFC6445].  "Definitions of Textual Conventions (TCs) for
>     Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Management" [MPLS-TC] tries
>     to resolve this gap by marking this textual convention as obsolete.
>
> Notes
> -----
> Section 3.5 comments about MplsLsrIdentifier.
> It says that RFC 3811 "lack[s] support for IPv6 in defining MplsExtendedTunnelId and MplsLsrIdentifier." It also says that "[MPLS-TC] tries to resolve this gap by marking this textual convention as obsolete."
>
> Note that the second quote refers to just one TC.
>
> Looking at 3811, 5036, and (most importantly) 7552, it seems to me that the LSR Identifier is *always* a 32 bit quantity regardless of whether the LDP system is v4-only, v4/v6, or v6-only.
>
> Furthermore, draft-manral-mpls-rfc3811bis (i.e., [MPLS-TC]) clearly shows no
> change to MplsLsrIdentifier while marking MplsExtendedTunnelId as obsolete.
>
> Notwithstanding that draft-manral-mpls-rfc3811bis appears to have been abandoned in state "candidate for WG adoption", it looks to me that RFC 7439 has an error we could call a typo.
>
> Instructions:
> -------------
> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please
> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or
> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG)
> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.
>
> --------------------------------------
> RFC7439 (draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-only-gap-04)
> --------------------------------------
> Title               : Gap Analysis for Operating IPv6-Only MPLS Networks
> Publication Date    : January 2015
> Author(s)           : W. George, Ed., C. Pignataro, Ed.
> Category            : INFORMATIONAL
> Source              : Multiprotocol Label Switching
> Area                : Routing
> Stream              : IETF
> Verifying Party     : IESG
>


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Use Cases and Requirements for MPLS-TP multi-failure protection
        Authors         : Zhenlong Cui
                          Rolf Winter
                          Himanshu Shah
                          Sam Aldrin
                          Masahiro Daikoku
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mfp-use-case-and-requirements-00.txt
	Pages           : 8
	Date            : 2016-02-01

Abstract:
   For the Multiprotocol Label Switching Transport Profile (MPLS-TP)
   linear protection capable of 1+1 and 1:1 protection has already been
   defined.  That linear protection mechanism has not been designed for
   handling multiple, simultaneously occuring failures, i.e. multiple
   failures that affect the working and the protection entity during the
   same time period.  In these situations currently defined protection
   mechanisms would fail.

   This document introduces use cases and requirements for mechanisms
   that are capable of protecting against such failures.  It does not
   specify a multi-failure protection mechanism itself.


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Hi Pranjal,

Thanks for the comments. Apologies for the delayed response.

Please see below for the response:

=93
1.      Section 4.1 on the problem definition: This section falls short of =
discussing various critical fault scenarios in detail.

For example, following is an important case.


                  +--------+
                  |   L2   |
                  R3-------R6
                 /           \
                /             \
        R1----R2               R7----R8
                \             /
                 \           /
                  R4-------R5

    9136 --> Adjacency Segment ID from R3 to R6 over link L1.
    9236 --> Adjacency Segment ID from R3 to R6 over link L2.
    9124 --> Adjacency segment ID from R2 to R4.
    9123 --> Adjacency Segment ID from R2 to R3.
    9145 --> Adjacency Segment ID from R4 to R5.
    9157 --> Adjacency segment ID from R5 to R7.
    9178 --> Adjacency segment ID from R7 to R8.
    9167 --> Adjacency segment ID from R6 to R7.

Let's say R1 originates a packet with the following label stack:

   9123 + 9136 + 9167 + 9178 + Payload

   R2 pops Adjacency Segment ID 9123 and forwards the packet to the correct=
 next-hop link R2-R3. But R2 is malfunctioning such that it also pops 9136.
   Thus R3 receives the Adjacency Segment ID 9167. By quirk of fate Label/9=
167 =3D label/9236 because both labels are locally significant to advertisi=
ng nodes.
   As a result, R3 forwards the packet to R6 over link L2. R6 receives 9178=
 and drops the packet after finding no state programmed for 9178. The packe=
t
   traverses the intended path till R6 whereas the problem is at R2.

   Similarly, instead of POPPing unwanted labels the malfunctioning node co=
uld PUSH unwanted labels. Such issues may not be due to wrong programming b=
y control plane (or data
   plane out of sync) and can happen due to a few bit flips on faulty h/w o=
r memory.

<Authors> Right. There are various such possibilities. We thought of highli=
ghting the commonly seen issue to justify the basic reason for this documen=
t/mechanism. If the WG is in favor of including more issues (or the above i=
ssues), we are fine to include the same.

</Authors>

2.      Sections 5.1 and 5.2: the target FEC stack TLV for a prefix SID MUS=
T include the SID index value and not just the address to be sure this gets=
 checked for overlaps or errors of assigning the SID index value.

<Authors> From different discussion with co-authors and others, the existin=
g information in TLV is sufficient to detect any overlaps. Further overlap/=
duplicate SID Index will be detected by COntrol plane and such prefixes (an=
d so the segment/label) will not be installed in forwarding table. Let us k=
now if there is any scenario where SID Index is mandatory to detect any iss=
ues.  Carrying this Prefix SID in TFS and use Stack-R will be redundant. We=
 initially had in earlier revision and removed it for this reason. Please l=
et us know if we are missing any need to carry it in TFS.
</Authors>


3.      Section 6: The DSMAP should not be supported with SR and SR-TE LSP.=
 The DDMAP is required because of the hierarchical nature of the LSP. See n=
ext comment for more details.

<Authors> Yes. Agreed. RFC6424 already deprecates DSMAP. We will update the=
 draft with DDMAP in relevant sections.

4.      Section 7.1: I think what is missing upfront in the document is the=
 modeling in MPLS OAM of a SR or SR-TE LSP. Basically, it should be modeled=
 as a hierarchical LSP which MUST use the DDMAP TLV with the FEC Stack Chan=
ge sub-TLV to operate correctly. The following operations are supported:

<Authors>SR LSP (following shortest path) can be considered as traditional =
LSP while SR-TE could be hierarchical or stitching or a combination of both=
. Irrespective of SR LSP or SR-TE LSP, ping will expect to have the destina=
tion FEC and trace should carry all FEC in TFS. We highlighted this in sect=
ion 7.1 and highlighted the procedure on how to handle stack change in sect=
ion 7.2
</Authors>

a.       A node/prefix SID label that is swapped at an LSR results in the n=
ormal return code of 8  "Label switched at stack-depth <RSC>" as per RFC 43=
79.
b.      A node/prefix SID label which is popped at an LSR results in a FEC =
stack change TLV operation of =93POP=94 as per RFC 6424.
c.       An adjacency SID label popped at an LSR results in a FEC stack cha=
nge TLV operation of =93POP=94 as per RFC 6424. In other words, we are mode=
ling the swap operation into a implicit NULL label as a POP to simplify the=
 tracing operation with DDMAP.

<Authors>We already include the below in Introduction section:

""Detecting Multi-Protocol Label Switched (MPLS) Data Plane Failures"
   [RFC4379] defines a simple and efficient mechanism to detect data
   plane failures in Label Switched Paths (LSP) by specifying
   information to be carried in an MPLS "echo request" and "echo reply"
   for the purposes of fault detection and isolation.  Mechanisms for
   reliably sending the echo reply are defined.  The functionality
   defined in [RFC4379]is modeled after the ping/traceroute paradigm
   (ICMP echo request [RFC0792]) and is typically referred to as LSP
   ping and LSP traceroute.  [RFC6424] updates [RFC4379] to support
   hierarchal and stitching LSPs.
"

So I think, it might be repetitive to add the same again?.

</Authors>

5.      Section 7.1: The text under paragraph titled =93Traceroute=94 is ve=
ry ambiguous and confusing and it may suggest that new behavior is being de=
scribed. In fact, there is nothing new to add here and the behavior of the =
FEC stack change sub-TLV is as per RFC 6424. All what is needed is a clear =
description of the modeling of the SR/SR-TE LSP as per comment above.

  For example, let's apply the procedures in this section to the fault scen=
ario I had discussed in comment 1).

  5.1. R1 initiates Echo Request with TTL=3D1 carrying Targeted FEC stack 9=
123 + 9136 + 9167 + 9178. From the procedures it is not clear  whether R1 w=
ould send DSMAP/DDMAP TLV
         containing the Label stack. IMO, it MUST send Label stack - withou=
t it R2 can't validate if received data plane label stack is same as in rec=
eived DSMAP/DDMAP (see later in 5.5).

  5.2  R2 responds with Echo reply containing FEC stack change/pop for 9123=
.

  5.3. R1 initiates Echo Request with TTL=3D2 carrying Targeted FEC stack 9=
136 + 9167 + 9178 and DSMAP/DDMAP containing corresponding label stack
       9136 + 9167 + 9178. The data plane label stack is 9123 + 9136 + 9167=
 + 9178.

  5.4. The malfunctioning node R2 forwards the packet to R3 with data-plane=
 label stack 9167 + 9178.

  5.5. R3 validates from received Targeted FEC stack that 9136 is the indee=
d an advertised Adjacency ID and corresponding label in DSMAP/DDMAP is corr=
ect. However the label stack
          received in data plane does not correspond to the label stack in =
DSMAP - this is a key point and there is no mention of it in the draft. Thu=
s R3 responds with label_stack_validation
         failure which indicates a data plane fault in R2.

<Author>Yes. We agree that the traceroute section is not new. We got a simi=
lar comment from other reviewer as well. We modified it as below:

"As defined in section 4.3.1.2 of RFC6424, When a received echo reply
contains FEC Stack Change TLV with one or more of original segment(s)
 being popped, initiator MAY remove corresponding FEC(s) from Target
FEC Stack TLV in the next (TTL+1) traceroute request."


Will this be ok?.

</Author>

6.      Section 7.2: the popping of the adjacency SID label is performed by=
 the node which assigned it and it is this node which generates the FEC sta=
ck change sub-TLV with the operation of POP.

<Authors> We had this explicitly defined this way. If the node assigning th=
e adjacency SID will signal teh POP stack change TLV, the downstream will n=
ot have any FEC to validate if it is the right downstream node.

7.      Section 7.3: while I agree that the implicit NULL label value for t=
he adjacency SID should not be used because the downstream LSR has no conte=
xt for the adjacency SID of his upstream neighbor (adjacency SIDs are local=
ly significant only) but for node SID with PHP, the downstream node has con=
text and actually signaled PHP flag in the prefix SID sub-TLV. Implicit-Nul=
l value is thus valid for node SID.

<Authors> Reading RFC4379, section 3.3, I think it is reasonable to include=
 imp-null for Node SID. We got a similar comment from other reviewers. Acco=
rdingly, we will remove this sentence. The modified one will be as below:

"The forwarding semantic of Node Segment ID with PHP flag is
equivalent to usage of implicit Null in MPLS protocols. Adjacency
Segment ID is also similar in a sense that it can be thought as next
hop destined locally allocated segment that has PHP enabled.
Procedures described in Section 4.4 of [RFC4379] <https://tools.ietf.org/ht=
ml/rfc4379#section-4.4> relies on Stack-D
and Stack-R explicitly having Implicit Null value. It may simplify
implementations to reuse Implicit Null for Node Segment ID PHP and
Adjacency Segment ID cases.=94

8.      Section 7.4: This section needs to be written to cover the cases of=
 regular swapping of node/prefix SID and the popping of node SID or adjacen=
cy SID when receiving the FEC stack change sub-TLV. Also, what is exactly =
=93Best return code to 10=94?

<Authors>This section is basically an extension of FEC Validation (section =
4.4 of RFC4379). The other procedure of handling during swap operation is s=
ame as defined in RFC4379. One of the comment from other review mail is to =
include a point highlighting that this updates section 4.4 of RFC4379. Acco=
rdingly we will be including the below:

7.4.  Segment ID Check

This section updates the procedure defined in Step 6 of Section 4.4 of [RFC=
4379].
"

Let us know if this is fine. THis will help avoid redundant information tha=
t is already available in RFC4379.

9.      Section 7.5: I do not think this section belongs here. If there are=
 recommendations for TTL setting for hierarchical LSPs, they sure are not s=
pecific to SR/SR-TE LSP.

<Authors>Since hierarchical LSP is defined in RFC6424, should we update tha=
t this draft will update RFC6424 as well?. Will it help to retain this sect=
ion here?.
</Authors>

10.  In Section 5

=93Three new sub-TLVs are defined for TLVs type 1, 16 and 21.=94
It is not clear what is meant by TLVs type 1,16 and 21. Suggest to make exp=
licit references.

<Authors>Ok. This has been modified as below:

"
Three new sub-TLVs are defined for Target FEC Stack TLVs (Type 1),
Reverse-Path Target FEC Stack TLV (Type 16) and Reply Path TLV (Type 21).
"
Is the above fine?.
</Authors>

11. One missing point in MPLS-OAM so far is to let the originator of a Trac=
eroute know that responding node is currently exercising FRR backup next-ho=
p (because primary has failed).
     AFAIK, this is not covered in any MPLS OAM extensions so far. It is go=
od to address this in SR context.

 <Author> Yes. This point was raised by Nobo earlier, but as you rightly me=
ntioned, this is not specific to SR or this document. THis might need to be=
 addressed in a different document.
 </Author>
=93

Thanks,
Nagendra (for authors)


From: "Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)" <pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com<mailto=
:pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com>>
Date: Friday, September 25, 2015 at 7:58 PM
To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu<mailto:loa@pi.nu>>, Curtis Villamizar <curtis@=
occnc.com<mailto:curtis@occnc.com>>, "vishwas.manral@gmail.com<mailto:vishw=
as.manral@gmail.com>" <vishwas.manral@gmail.com<mailto:vishwas.manral@gmail=
.com>>, Lizhong Jin <lizho.jin@gmail.com<mailto:lizho.jin@gmail.com>>, "dra=
ft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-kumarkini-mpl=
s-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org>" <draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@to=
ols.ietf.org<mailto:draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org>>, =
"mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>" <mpls-chair=
s@tools.ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>>
Cc: "mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.org>" <mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.o=
rg>>
Subject: RE: MPLS-RT review of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping
Resent-From: <pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com<mailto:pranjal.dutta@alcatel=
-lucent.com>>
Resent-To: <draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@ietf.org<mailto:draft-kuma=
rkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@ietf.org>>, <mpls-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:mpls-ch=
airs@ietf.org>>
Resent-Date: Friday, September 25, 2015 at 7:58 PM


Hi,

     I have been asked by the WG chairs for MPLS-RT review on this draft. I=
 have reviewed the version  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumarkini-mpl=
s-spring-lsp-ping-04 and following are my review comments.



1.      Section 4.1 on the problem definition: This section falls short of =
discussing various critical fault scenarios in detail.



For example, following is an important case.





                  +--------+

                  |   L2   |

                  R3-------R6

                 /           \

                /             \

        R1----R2               R7----R8

                \             /

                 \           /

                  R4-------R5



    9136 --> Adjacency Segment ID from R3 to R6 over link L1.

    9236 --> Adjacency Segment ID from R3 to R6 over link L2.

    9124 --> Adjacency segment ID from R2 to R4.

    9123 --> Adjacency Segment ID from R2 to R3.

    9145 --> Adjacency Segment ID from R4 to R5.

    9157 --> Adjacency segment ID from R5 to R7.

    9178 --> Adjacency segment ID from R7 to R8.

    9167 --> Adjacency segment ID from R6 to R7.



Let's say R1 originates a packet with the following label stack:



   9123 + 9136 + 9167 + 9178 + Payload



   R2 pops Adjacency Segment ID 9123 and forwards the packet to the correct=
 next-hop link R2-R3. But R2 is malfunctioning such that it also pops 9136.

   Thus R3 receives the Adjacency Segment ID 9167. By quirk of fate Label/9=
167 =3D label/9236 because both labels are locally significant to advertisi=
ng nodes.

   As a result, R3 forwards the packet to R6 over link L2. R6 receives 9178=
 and drops the packet after finding no state programmed for 9178. The packe=
t

   traverses the intended path till R6 whereas the problem is at R2.



   Similarly, instead of POPPing unwanted labels the malfunctioning node co=
uld PUSH unwanted labels. Such issues may not be due to wrong programming b=
y control plane (or data
   plane out of sync) and can happen due to a few bit flips on faulty h/w o=
r memory.



2.      Sections 5.1 and 5.2: the target FEC stack TLV for a prefix SID MUS=
T include the SID index value and not just the address to be sure this gets=
 checked for overlaps or errors of assigning the SID index value.



3.      Section 6: The DSMAP should not be supported with SR and SR-TE LSP.=
 The DDMAP is required because of the hierarchical nature of the LSP. See n=
ext comment for more details.



4.      Section 7.1: I think what is missing upfront in the document is the=
 modeling in MPLS OAM of a SR or SR-TE LSP. Basically, it should be modeled=
 as a hierarchical LSP which MUST use the DDMAP TLV with the FEC Stack Chan=
ge sub-TLV to operate correctly. The following operations are supported:



a.       A node/prefix SID label that is swapped at an LSR results in the n=
ormal return code of 8  "Label switched at stack-depth <RSC>" as per RFC 43=
79.

b.      A node/prefix SID label which is popped at an LSR results in a FEC =
stack change TLV operation of =93POP=94 as per RFC 6424.

c.       An adjacency SID label popped at an LSR results in a FEC stack cha=
nge TLV operation of =93POP=94 as per RFC 6424. In other words, we are mode=
ling the swap operation into a implicit NULL label as a POP to simplify the=
 tracing operation with DDMAP.



5.      Section 7.1: The text under paragraph titled =93Traceroute=94 is ve=
ry ambiguous and confusing and it may suggest that new behavior is being de=
scribed. In fact, there is nothing new to add here and the behavior of the =
FEC stack change sub-TLV is as per RFC 6424. All what is needed is a clear =
description of the modeling of the SR/SR-TE LSP as per comment above.



  For example, let's apply the procedures in this section to the fault scen=
ario I had discussed in comment 1).



  5.1. R1 initiates Echo Request with TTL=3D1 carrying Targeted FEC stack 9=
123 + 9136 + 9167 + 9178. From the procedures it is not clear  whether R1 w=
ould send DSMAP/DDMAP TLV
         containing the Label stack. IMO, it MUST send Label stack - withou=
t it R2 can't validate if received data plane label stack is same as in rec=
eived DSMAP/DDMAP (see later in 5.5).



  5.2  R2 responds with Echo reply containing FEC stack change/pop for 9123=
.



  5.3. R1 initiates Echo Request with TTL=3D2 carrying Targeted FEC stack 9=
136 + 9167 + 9178 and DSMAP/DDMAP containing corresponding label stack

       9136 + 9167 + 9178. The data plane label stack is 9123 + 9136 + 9167=
 + 9178.



  5.4. The malfunctioning node R2 forwards the packet to R3 with data-plane=
 label stack 9167 + 9178.



  5.5. R3 validates from received Targeted FEC stack that 9136 is the indee=
d an advertised Adjacency ID and corresponding label in DSMAP/DDMAP is corr=
ect. However the label stack
          received in data plane does not correspond to the label stack in =
DSMAP - this is a key point and there is no mention of it in the draft. Thu=
s R3 responds with label_stack_validation
         failure which indicates a data plane fault in R2.



6.      Section 7.2: the popping of the adjacency SID label is performed by=
 the node which assigned it and it is this node which generates the FEC sta=
ck change sub-TLV with the operation of POP.



7.      Section 7.3: while I agree that the implicit NULL label value for t=
he adjacency SID should not be used because the downstream LSR has no conte=
xt for the adjacency SID of his upstream neighbor (adjacency SIDs are local=
ly significant only) but for node SID with PHP, the downstream node has con=
text and actually signaled PHP flag in the prefix SID sub-TLV. Implicit-Nul=
l value is thus valid for node SID.



8.      Section 7.4: This section needs to be written to cover the cases of=
 regular swapping of node/prefix SID and the popping of node SID or adjacen=
cy SID when receiving the FEC stack change sub-TLV. Also, what is exactly =
=93Best return code to 10=94?



9.      Section 7.5: I do not think this section belongs here. If there are=
 recommendations for TTL setting for hierarchical LSPs, they sure are not s=
pecific to SR/SR-TE LSP.





10.  In Section 5



=93Three new sub-TLVs are defined for TLVs type 1, 16 and 21.=94

It is not clear what is meant by TLVs type 1,16 and 21. Suggest to make exp=
licit references.



11. One missing point in MPLS-OAM so far is to let the originator of a Trac=
eroute know that responding node is currently exercising FRR backup next-ho=
p (because primary has failed).
     AFAIK, this is not covered in any MPLS OAM extensions so far. It is go=
od to address this in SR context.



Summary

-------------



1) Whether the document is coherent

  - Yes



2) is it useful (i.e, is it likely to be actually useful in operational net=
works)



  - Yes



3) Is the document technically sound?



  - Need precise modeling of MPLS-OAM of a SR/SR-TE LSP. Need to precisely =
describe procedures in the context of  SR/SR-TE LSP and applicability of RF=
C 4379, 6424.



4) Whether the document is ready to be considered for WG adoption

  - It is a good start but I would like to see the concerns addressed befor=
e publishing the WG draft.



Thanks,

Pranjal





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<div>Hi Pranjal,</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the comments. Apologies for the delayed response.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please see below for the response:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>=93</div>
<div>1. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Section 4.1 on the problem definition: This sec=
tion falls short of discussing various critical fault scenarios in detail.<=
/div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>For example, following is an important case.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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------&#43;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp=
; L2 &nbsp; |</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; R3-----=
--R6</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;/ &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; \</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; / &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; \</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; R1----R2 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; R7----R8</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; \ &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; /</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;\ &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; /</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; R4-----=
--R5</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 9136 --&gt; Adjacency Segment ID from R3 to R6 over link=
 L1.</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 9236 --&gt; Adjacency Segment ID from R3 to R6 over link=
 L2.</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 9124 --&gt; Adjacency segment ID from R2 to R4.</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 9123 --&gt; Adjacency Segment ID from R2 to R3.</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 9145 --&gt; Adjacency Segment ID from R4 to R5.</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 9157 --&gt; Adjacency segment ID from R5 to R7.</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 9178 --&gt; Adjacency segment ID from R7 to R8.</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; 9167 --&gt; Adjacency segment ID from R6 to R7.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Let's say R1 originates a packet with the following label stack:</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;9123 &#43; 9136 &#43; 9167 &#43; 9178 &#43; Payload</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;R2 pops Adjacency Segment ID 9123 and forwards the packet=
 to the correct next-hop link R2-R3. But R2 is malfunctioning such that it =
also pops 9136.</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;Thus R3 receives the Adjacency Segment ID 9167. By quirk =
of fate Label/9167 =3D label/9236 because both labels are locally significa=
nt to advertising nodes. &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;As a result, R3 forwards the packet to R6 over link L2. R=
6 receives 9178 and drops the packet after finding no state programmed for =
9178. The packet</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;traverses the intended path till R6 whereas the problem i=
s at R2.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;Similarly, instead of POPPing unwanted labels the malfunc=
tioning node could PUSH unwanted labels. Such issues may not be due to wron=
g programming by control plane (or data&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;plane out of sync) and can happen due to a few bit flips =
on faulty h/w or memory.</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt; Right. There are various such possibilities. We though=
t of highlighting the commonly seen issue to justify the basic reason for t=
his document/mechanism. If the WG is in favor of including more issues (or =
the above issues), we are fine to include
 the same.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&lt;/Authors&gt;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Sections 5.1 and 5.2: the target FEC stack TLV =
for a prefix SID MUST include the SID index value and not just the address =
to be sure this gets checked for overlaps or errors of assigning the SID in=
dex value.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt; From different discussion with co-authors and others, =
the existing information in TLV is sufficient to detect any overlaps. Furth=
er overlap/duplicate SID Index will be detected by COntrol plane and such p=
refixes (and so the segment/label) will
 not be installed in forwarding table. Let us know if there is any scenario=
 where SID Index is mandatory to detect any issues. &nbsp;Carrying this Pre=
fix SID in TFS and use Stack-R will be redundant. We initially had in earli=
er revision and removed it for this reason.
 Please let us know if we are missing any need to carry it in TFS.</div>
<div>&lt;/Authors&gt;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>3. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Section 6: The DSMAP should not be supported wi=
th SR and SR-TE LSP. The DDMAP is required because of the hierarchical natu=
re of the LSP. See next comment for more details.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt; Yes. Agreed. RFC6424 already deprecates DSMAP. We will=
 update the draft with DDMAP in relevant sections.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>4. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Section 7.1: I think what is missing upfront in=
 the document is the modeling in MPLS OAM of a SR or SR-TE LSP. Basically, =
it should be modeled as a hierarchical LSP which MUST use the DDMAP TLV wit=
h the FEC Stack Change sub-TLV to operate correctly.
 The following operations are supported:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt;SR LSP (following shortest path) can be considered as t=
raditional LSP while SR-TE could be hierarchical or stitching or a combinat=
ion of both. Irrespective of SR LSP or SR-TE LSP, ping will expect to have =
the destination FEC and trace should carry
 all FEC in TFS. We highlighted this in section 7.1 and highlighted the pro=
cedure on how to handle stack change in section 7.2</div>
<div>&lt;/Authors&gt;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>a. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; A node/prefix SID label that is swapped at an =
LSR results in the normal return code of 8 &nbsp;&quot;Label switched at st=
ack-depth &lt;RSC&gt;&quot; as per RFC 4379.</div>
<div>b. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;A node/prefix SID label which is popped at an L=
SR results in a FEC stack change TLV operation of =93POP=94 as per RFC 6424=
.</div>
<div>c. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; An adjacency SID label popped at an LSR result=
s in a FEC stack change TLV operation of =93POP=94 as per RFC 6424. In othe=
r words, we are modeling the swap operation into a implicit NULL label as a=
 POP to simplify the tracing operation with DDMAP.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt;We already include the below in Introduction section:</=
div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&quot;&quot;Detecting Multi-Protocol Label Switched (MPLS) Data Plane =
Failures&quot;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;[RFC4379] defines a simple and efficient mechanism to det=
ect data</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;plane failures in Label Switched Paths (LSP) by specifyin=
g</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;information to be carried in an MPLS &quot;echo request&q=
uot; and &quot;echo reply&quot;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;for the purposes of fault detection and isolation. &nbsp;=
Mechanisms for</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;reliably sending the echo reply are defined. &nbsp;The fu=
nctionality</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;defined in [RFC4379]is modeled after the ping/traceroute =
paradigm</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;(ICMP echo request [RFC0792]) and is typically referred t=
o as LSP</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;ping and LSP traceroute. &nbsp;[RFC6424] updates [RFC4379=
] to support</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;hierarchal and stitching LSPs.</div>
<div>&quot;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So I think, it might be repetitive to add the same again?.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;/Authors&gt;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>5. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Section 7.1: The text under paragraph titled =
=93Traceroute=94 is very ambiguous and confusing and it may suggest that ne=
w behavior is being described. In fact, there is nothing new to add here an=
d the behavior of the FEC stack change sub-TLV is as
 per RFC 6424. All what is needed is a clear description of the modeling of=
 the SR/SR-TE LSP as per comment above.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; For example, let's apply the procedures in this section to the =
fault scenario I had discussed in comment 1).</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; 5.1. R1 initiates Echo Request with TTL=3D1 carrying Targeted F=
EC stack 9123 &#43; 9136 &#43; 9167 &#43; 9178. From the procedures it is n=
ot clear &nbsp;whether R1 would send DSMAP/DDMAP TLV&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;containing the Label stack. IMO, it =
MUST send Label stack - without it R2 can't validate if received data plane=
 label stack is same as in received DSMAP/DDMAP (see later in 5.5).</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; 5.2 &nbsp;R2 responds with Echo reply containing FEC stack chan=
ge/pop for 9123.</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; 5.3. R1 initiates Echo Request with TTL=3D2 carrying Targeted F=
EC stack 9136 &#43; 9167 &#43; 9178 and DSMAP/DDMAP containing correspondin=
g label stack</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;9136 &#43; 9167 &#43; 9178. The data plane =
label stack is 9123 &#43; 9136 &#43; 9167 &#43; 9178.</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; 5.4. The malfunctioning node R2 forwards the packet to R3 with =
data-plane label stack 9167 &#43; 9178.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; 5.5. R3 validates from received Targeted FEC stack that 9136 is=
 the indeed an advertised Adjacency ID and corresponding label in DSMAP/DDM=
AP is correct. However the label stack&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; received in data plane does not cor=
respond to the label stack in DSMAP - this is a key point and there is no m=
ention of it in the draft. Thus R3 responds with label_stack_validation&nbs=
p;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;failure which indicates a data plane=
 fault in R2. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Author&gt;Yes. We agree that the traceroute section is not new. We=
 got a similar comment from other reviewer as well. We modified it as below=
:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&quot;As defined in section 4.3.1.2 of RFC6424, When a received echo r=
eply&nbsp;</div>
<div>contains FEC Stack Change TLV with one or more of original segment(s)<=
/div>
<div>&nbsp;being popped, initiator MAY remove corresponding FEC(s) from Tar=
get&nbsp;</div>
<div>FEC Stack TLV in the next (TTL&#43;1) traceroute request.&quot;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Will this be ok?.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;/Author&gt;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>6. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Section 7.2: the popping of the adjacency SID l=
abel is performed by the node which assigned it and it is this node which g=
enerates the FEC stack change sub-TLV with the operation of POP.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt; We had this explicitly defined this way. If the node a=
ssigning the adjacency SID will signal teh POP stack change TLV, the downst=
ream will not have any FEC to validate if it is the right downstream node.<=
/div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>7. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Section 7.3: while I agree that the implicit NU=
LL label value for the adjacency SID should not be used because the downstr=
eam LSR has no context for the adjacency SID of his upstream neighbor (adja=
cency SIDs are locally significant only) but for
 node SID with PHP, the downstream node has context and actually signaled P=
HP flag in the prefix SID sub-TLV. Implicit-Null value is thus valid for no=
de SID.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt; Reading RFC4379, section 3.3, I think it is reasonable=
 to include imp-null for Node SID. We got a similar comment from other revi=
ewers. Accordingly, we will remove this sentence. The modified one will be =
as below:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&quot;The forwarding semantic of Node Segment ID with PHP flag is</div=
>
<div>equivalent to usage of implicit Null in MPLS protocols. Adjacency</div=
>
<div>Segment ID is also similar in a sense that it can be thought as next</=
div>
<div>hop destined locally allocated segment that has PHP enabled.</div>
<div>Procedures described in Section 4.4 of [RFC4379] &lt;<a href=3D"https:=
//tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4379#section-4.4">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4=
379#section-4.4</a>&gt; relies on Stack-D</div>
<div>and Stack-R explicitly having Implicit Null value. It may simplify</di=
v>
<div>implementations to reuse Implicit Null for Node Segment ID PHP and</di=
v>
<div>Adjacency Segment ID cases.=94</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>8. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Section 7.4: This section needs to be written t=
o cover the cases of regular swapping of node/prefix SID and the popping of=
 node SID or adjacency SID when receiving the FEC stack change sub-TLV. Als=
o, what is exactly =93Best return code to 10=94?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt;This section is basically an extension of FEC Validatio=
n (section 4.4 of RFC4379). The other procedure of handling during swap ope=
ration is same as defined in RFC4379. One of the comment from other review =
mail is to include a point highlighting
 that this updates section 4.4 of RFC4379. Accordingly we will be including=
 the below:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>7.4. &nbsp;Segment ID Check</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This section updates the procedure defined in Step 6 of Section 4.4 of=
 [RFC4379].</div>
<div>&quot;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let us know if this is fine. THis will help avoid redundant informatio=
n that is already available in RFC4379.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>9. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Section 7.5: I do not think this section belong=
s here. If there are recommendations for TTL setting for hierarchical LSPs,=
 they sure are not specific to SR/SR-TE LSP.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt;Since hierarchical LSP is defined in RFC6424, should we=
 update that this draft will update RFC6424 as well?. Will it help to retai=
n this section here?.</div>
<div>&lt;/Authors&gt;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>10. &nbsp;In Section 5</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>=93Three new sub-TLVs are defined for TLVs type 1, 16 and 21.=94</div>
<div>It is not clear what is meant by TLVs type 1,16 and 21. Suggest to mak=
e explicit references.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt;Ok. This has been modified as below:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&quot;</div>
<div>Three new sub-TLVs are defined for Target FEC Stack TLVs (Type 1),&nbs=
p;</div>
<div>Reverse-Path Target FEC Stack TLV (Type 16) and Reply Path TLV (Type 2=
1).</div>
<div>&quot;</div>
<div>Is the above fine?.</div>
<div>&lt;/Authors&gt;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>11. One missing point in MPLS-OAM so far is to let the originator of a=
 Traceroute know that responding node is currently exercising FRR backup ne=
xt-hop (because primary has failed).&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;AFAIK, this is not covered in any MPLS OAM extensi=
ons so far. It is good to address this in SR context.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;&lt;Author&gt; Yes. This point was raised by Nobo earlier, but a=
s you rightly mentioned, this is not specific to SR or this document. THis =
might need to be addressed in a different document.</div>
<div>&nbsp;&lt;/Author&gt;</div>
<div>=93</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Nagendra (for authors)</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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utta@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, September 25, 2015 at=
 7:58 PM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Loa Andersson &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;, Curtis Villamizar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
curtis@occnc.com">curtis@occnc.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:vishwas=
.manral@gmail.com">vishwas.manral@gmail.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:vishwas.manral@gmail.com">vishwas.manral@gmail.com</a>&gt;,
 Lizhong Jin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lizho.jin@gmail.com">lizho.jin@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tool=
s.ietf.org">draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org</a>&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org">d=
raft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;,
 &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org">mpls-chairs@tools.ietf=
.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org">mpls-chair=
s@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ie=
tf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@i=
etf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>RE: MPLS-RT review of draf=
t-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-From: </span>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com">pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt;<=
br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-To: </span>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dr=
aft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@ietf.org">draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-ls=
p-ping@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org">mpls-c=
hairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-Date: </span>Friday, September 25, =
2015 at 7:58 PM<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp; <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-famil=
y: 'Times New Roman', serif;">
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have been asked by the WG chairs for MPLS-RT review on =
this draft. I have reviewed the version &nbsp;<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf=
.org/html/draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-04">https://tools.ietf.org/h=
tml/draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-04</a> and following
 are my review comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">1.=
<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma=
l; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Section 4.1 on the problem definition: This=
 section falls short of discussing various critical fault scenarios in deta=
il.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">For example, following is an important case.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;--------&#43;<o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; L2&nbsp=
;&nbsp; |<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; R3-------R6<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; R1----=
R2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; R7----R8<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;\&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; R4-------R5<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9136 --&gt; Adjacency Segment =
ID from R3 to R6 over link L1.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9236 --&gt; Adjacency Segment =
ID from R3 to R6 over link L2.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9124 --&gt; Adjacency segment =
ID from R2 to R4.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9123 --&gt; Adjacency Segment =
ID from R2 to R3.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9145 --&gt; Adjacency Segment =
ID from R4 to R5.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9157 --&gt; Adjacency segment =
ID from R5 to R7.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9178 --&gt; Adjacency segment =
ID from R7 to R8.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9167 --&gt; Adjacency segment =
ID from R6 to R7.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">Let's say R1 originates a packet with the following =
label stack:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp; 9123 &#43; 9136 &#43; 9167 &#43; 9178 &=
#43; Payload<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp; R2 pops Adjacency Segment ID 9123 and f=
orwards the packet to the correct next-hop link R2-R3. But R2 is malfunctio=
ning such that it also pops 9136.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thus R3 receives the Adjacency Seg=
ment ID 9167. By quirk of fate Label/9167 =3D label/9236 because both label=
s are locally significant to advertising nodes.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;As a result, R3 forwards the packe=
t to R6 over link L2. R6 receives 9178 and drops the packet after finding n=
o state programmed for 9178. The packet
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;traverses the intended path till R=
6 whereas the problem is at R2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp; Similarly, instead of POPPing unwanted =
labels the malfunctioning node could PUSH unwanted labels. Such issues may =
not be due to wrong programming by control plane
 (or data <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;plane out of sync) and can happen due to a few bit flips =
on faulty h/w or memory.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2.=
<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma=
l; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Sections 5.1 and 5.2: the target FEC stack =
TLV for a prefix SID MUST include the SID index value and not just the addr=
ess to be sure this gets checked for
 overlaps or errors of assigning the SID index value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">3.=
<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma=
l; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Section 6: The DSMAP should not be supporte=
d with SR and SR-TE LSP. The DDMAP is required because of the hierarchical =
nature of the LSP. See next comment
 for more details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">4.=
<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma=
l; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Section 7.1: I think what is missing upfron=
t in the document is the modeling in MPLS OAM of a SR or SR-TE LSP. Basical=
ly, it should be modeled as a hierarchical
 LSP which MUST use the DDMAP TLV with the FEC Stack Change sub-TLV to oper=
ate correctly. The following operations are supported:<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso=
-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">a.=
<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma=
l; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif;">A node/prefix SID label that is swapped at =
an LSR results in the normal return code of 8&nbsp; &quot;Label switched at=
 stack-depth &lt;RSC&gt;&quot; as per RFC 4379.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso=
-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">b.=
<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma=
l; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif;">A node/prefix SID label which is popped at =
an LSR results in a FEC stack change TLV operation of =93POP=94 as per RFC =
6424.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso=
-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">c.=
<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma=
l; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif;">An adjacency SID label popped at an LSR res=
ults in a FEC stack change TLV operation of =93POP=94 as per RFC 6424. In o=
ther words, we are modeling the swap operation
 into a implicit NULL label as a POP to simplify the tracing operation with=
 DDMAP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.75in"><span style=3D"font-s=
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Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">5.=
<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma=
l; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Section 7.1: The text under paragraph title=
d =93Traceroute=94 is very ambiguous and confusing and it may suggest that =
new behavior is being described. In fact,
 there is nothing new to add here and the behavior of the FEC stack change =
sub-TLV is as per RFC 6424. All what is needed is a clear description of th=
e modeling of the SR/SR-TE LSP as per comment above.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp; <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-famil=
y: 'Times New Roman', serif;">
For example, let's apply the procedures in this section to the fault scenar=
io I had discussed in comment 1).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp; 5.1. R1 initiates Echo Request with TTL=3D1 c=
arrying Targeted FEC stack 9123 &#43; 9136 &#43; 9167 &#43; 9178. From the =
procedures it is not clear &nbsp;whether R1 would send DSMAP/DDMAP
 TLV <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;containing the Label =
stack. IMO, it MUST send Label stack - without it R2 can't validate if rece=
ived data plane label stack is same as in received DSMAP/DDMAP (see later i=
n 5.5).
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp; 5.2&nbsp; R2 responds with Echo reply contain=
ing FEC stack change/pop for 9123.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;5.3. R1 initiates Echo Request with TTL=
=3D2 carrying Targeted FEC stack 9136 &#43; 9167 &#43; 9178 and DSMAP/DDMAP=
 containing corresponding label stack
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9136 &#43;=
 9167 &#43; 9178. The data plane label stack is 9123 &#43; 9136 &#43; 9167 =
&#43; 9178.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;5.4. The malfunctioning node R2 forwards=
 the packet to R3 with data-plane label stack 9167 &#43; 9178.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp; 5.5. R3 validates from received Targeted FEC =
stack that 9136 is the indeed an advertised Adjacency ID and corresponding =
label in DSMAP/DDMAP is correct. However
 the label stack <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;received in dat=
a plane does not correspond to the label stack in DSMAP - this is a key poi=
nt and there is no mention of it in the draft. Thus R3 responds with label_=
stack_validation
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;failure which indicat=
es a data plane fault in R2.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">6.=
<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma=
l; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Section 7.2: the popping of the adjacency S=
ID label is performed by the node which assigned it and it is this node whi=
ch generates the FEC stack change
 sub-TLV with the operation of POP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
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Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">7.=
<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma=
l; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Section 7.3: while I agree that the implici=
t NULL label value for the adjacency SID should not be used because the dow=
nstream LSR has no context for the
 adjacency SID of his upstream neighbor (adjacency SIDs are locally signifi=
cant only) but for node SID with PHP, the downstream node has context and a=
ctually signaled PHP flag in the prefix SID sub-TLV. Implicit-Null value is=
 thus valid for node SID.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">8.=
<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma=
l; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Section 7.4: This section needs to be writt=
en to cover the cases of regular swapping of node/prefix SID and the poppin=
g of node SID or adjacency SID when
 receiving the FEC stack change sub-TLV. Also, what is exactly =93Best retu=
rn code to 10=94?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
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Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">9.=
<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norma=
l; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Section 7.5: I do not think this section be=
longs here. If there are recommendations for TTL setting for hierarchical L=
SPs, they sure are not specific to
 SR/SR-TE LSP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;ms=
o-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">10=
.<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: norm=
al; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">&=
nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Times New Roman', serif;">In Section 5<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">=93Three new sub-TLVs are defined for TLVs type 1, 1=
6 and 21.=94<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">It is not clear what is meant by TLVs type 1,16 and =
21. Suggest to make explicit references.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">11. One missing point in MPLS-OAM so far is to let t=
he originator of a Traceroute know that responding node is currently exerci=
sing FRR backup next-hop (because primary
 has failed). <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;AFAIK, this is not covered in any MPLS OAM ex=
tensions so far. It is good to address this in SR context.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">Summary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">-------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">1) Whether the document is coherent<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp; - Yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">2) is it useful (i.e, is it likely to be actually us=
eful in operational networks)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp; - Yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">3) Is the document technically sound?<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp; - Need precise modeling of MPLS-OAM of a SR/S=
R-TE LSP. Need to precisely describe procedures in the context of&nbsp; SR/=
SR-TE LSP and applicability of RFC 4379, 6424.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">4) Whether the document is ready to be considered fo=
r WG adoption
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;- It is a good start but I would like to=
 see the concerns addressed before publishing the WG draft.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;">Pranjal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Loa Andersson [<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu">mailto:loa@pi.nu</a>] <br=
>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 3:00 AM<br>
To: Curtis Villamizar; <a href=3D"mailto:vishwas.manral@gmail.com">vishwas.=
manral@gmail.com</a>; Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal); Lizhong Jin;
<a href=3D"mailto:draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org">draf=
t-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org">mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org</a=
><br>
Subject: Fwd: MPLS-RT review of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Resending, Vishwas mail bounced and forgot to inc=
lude the authors and my co-chairs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">/Loa<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Curtis, Vishwas, Pranjal, and Lizhong,<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">You have be selected as MPLS-RT reviewers for dra=
ft-kumarkini- mpls-spring-lsp-ping.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Note to authors: You have been CC'd on this email=
 so that you can know that this review is going on. However, please do not =
review your own document.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Reviews should comment on whether the document is=
 coherent, is it useful (ie, is it likely to be actually useful in operatio=
nal networks), and is the document technically sound?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">We are interested in knowing whether the document=
 is ready to be considered for WG adoption (ie, it doesn't have to be perfe=
ct at this point, but should be a good start).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Reviews should be sent to the document authors, W=
G co-chairs and WG secretary, and CC'd to the MPLS WG email list. If necess=
ary, comments may be sent privately to only the WG chairs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">If you have technical comments you should try to =
be explicit about what needs to be resolved before adopting it as a working=
 group document, and what can wait until the document is a working group do=
cument and the working group has the
 revision control.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Are you able to review this draft by September 25=
, 2015? Please respond in a timely fashion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Thanks, Loa<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">(as MPLS WG chair)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Loa Andersson&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; email: <a href=3D"mailto:loa@mail01.huawei.com"=
>
<span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">loa@mail01.huawei.com=
</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Senior MPLS Expert&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu">
<span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">loa@pi.nu</span></a><=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Huawei Technologies (consultant)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; phone: &#43;46 739 81 21 64<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Loa Andersson&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; email: <a href=3D"mailto:loa@mail01.huawei.com"=
>
<span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">loa@mail01.huawei.com=
</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Senior MPLS Expert&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu">
<span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">loa@pi.nu</span></a><=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Huawei Technologies (consultant)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; phone: &#43;46 739 81 21 64<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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To: Lizhong Jin <lizho.jin@gmail.com>, "draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org" <draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org>, "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" <mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, Curtis Villamizar <curtis@occnc.com>, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>, "Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)" <pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com>, Vishwas Manral <vishwas.manral@gmail.com>, "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>
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Hi Lizhong,

Thanks for the comments and apologies for the delayed response. Please see =
below:

"1. Section 7.4
If the Label-stack-depth is 0 and Target FEC Sub-TLV at FEC-stack-
      depth is TBD2 (IPv6 Prefix Node Segment ID),
Lizhong: typo? should be "more than 0"?

<Authors>Good Catch. We changed it.
</Authors>

2. Section8, it says:
To avoid this
   problem, the originator of the "echo request" MUST NOT include the
   service label in the label stack of an echo request above the tunnel
   label of the tunnel that is being currently traced.  In other words
   the ingress must remove all service-labels above the label of the
   tunnel being currently traced, but retain service labels below it
   when sending the echo request.
It seems there is some risk to remove servicing label. In some case,
e.g., the packet with service label may enqueue to the highest priority
queue after service processing, while the packet without service label
will enqueue to lowest priority queue. Then it is possible the packet
may go through a different internal data path before reaching the traced
 tunnel points, because of the lack of the service label. What if this
packet in lowest prioirity queue is dropped? Then it is difficult to judge
whether the problem is happened on the traced tunnel points, or on
the path ahead of it.

<Authors> We probably will be removing this section and leave "Service segm=
ent" for future study. We will take it back once there is some colear conse=
nsus on how service segment will be handled.
=93

Thanks,
Nagendra (for authors)


From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of Lizhong Jin <lizho.jin@gmail.com<mailto:lizho.jin@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, September 25, 2015 at 10:19 AM
To: "draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-kumar=
kini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org>" <draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp=
-ping@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf=
.org>>, "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>" <mp=
ls-chairs@tools.ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>>, Curtis Villam=
izar <curtis@occnc.com<mailto:curtis@occnc.com>>, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu<=
mailto:loa@pi.nu>>, "Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)" <pranjal.dutta@alcatel-luc=
ent.com<mailto:pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com>>, Vishwas Manral <vishwas.=
manral@gmail.com<mailto:vishwas.manral@gmail.com>>, "mpls@ietf.org<mailto:m=
pls@ietf.org>" <mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.org>>
Subject: [mpls] Fwd: MPLS-RT review of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping

Sorry, forget to send to the authors and the list.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Lizhong Jin <lizho.jin@gmail.com<mailto:lizho.jin@gmail.com>>
Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping
To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu<mailto:loa@pi.nu>>
Cc: Curtis Villamizar <curtis@occnc.com<mailto:curtis@occnc.com>>, vishwas@=
ionosnetworks.com<mailto:vishwas@ionosnetworks.com>, "Dutta, Pranjal K (Pra=
njal)" <pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com<mailto:pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucen=
t.com>>


Hi,
Overall, this document is useful and technically sound, and is ready to be =
considered for WG adoption. Besides comments from Curtis, two more in below=
:
1. Section 7.4
If the Label-stack-depth is 0 and Target FEC Sub-TLV at FEC-stack-
      depth is TBD2 (IPv6 Prefix Node Segment ID),
Lizhong: typo? should be "more than 0"?

2. Section8, it says:
To avoid this
   problem, the originator of the "echo request" MUST NOT include the
   service label in the label stack of an echo request above the tunnel
   label of the tunnel that is being currently traced.  In other words
   the ingress must remove all service-labels above the label of the
   tunnel being currently traced, but retain service labels below it
   when sending the echo request.
It seems there is some risk to remove servicing label. In some case,
e.g., the packet with service label may enqueue to the highest priority
queue after service processing, while the packet without service label
will enqueue to lowest priority queue. Then it is possible the packet
may go through a different internal data path before reaching the traced
 tunnel points, because of the lack of the service label. What if this
packet in lowest prioirity queue is dropped? Then it is difficult to judge
whether the problem is happened on the traced tunnel points, or on
the path ahead of it.

Regards
Lizhong


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu<mailto:loa@pi.nu>>=
 wrote:
Curtis, Vishwas, Pranjal, and Lizhong,

You have be selected as MPLS-RT reviewers for draft-kumarkini-
mpls-spring-lsp-ping.

Note to authors: You have been CC'd on this email so that you can know
that this review is going on. However, please do not review your own
document.

Reviews should comment on whether the document is coherent, is it
useful (ie, is it likely to be actually useful in operational networks), an=
d is the document technically sound?

We are interested in knowing whether the document is ready to be
considered for WG adoption (ie, it doesn't have to be perfect at this
point, but should be a good start).

Reviews should be sent to the document authors, WG co-chairs and WG
secretary, and CC'd to the MPLS WG email list. If necessary, comments
may be sent privately to only the WG chairs.

If you have technical comments you should try to be explicit about what
needs to be resolved before adopting it as a working group document, and
what can wait until the document is a working group document and the
working group has the revision control.

Are you able to review this draft by September 25, 2015? Please respond
in a timely fashion.

Thanks, Loa
(as MPLS WG chair)



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Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu<mailto:loa@pi.nu>
Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64<tel:%2B46%2073=
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<div>Hi Lizhong,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the comments and apologies for the delayed response. Please=
 see below:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>&quot;1. Section 7.4</div>
<div>If the Label-stack-depth is 0 and Target FEC Sub-TLV at FEC-stack-</di=
v>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; depth is TBD2 (IPv6 Prefix Node Segment ID),</div=
>
<div>Lizhong: typo? should be &quot;more than 0&quot;?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt;Good Catch. We changed it.</div>
<div>&lt;/Authors&gt;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. Section8, it says:</div>
<div>To avoid this</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;problem, the originator of the &quot;echo request&quot; M=
UST NOT include the</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;service label in the label stack of an echo request above=
 the tunnel</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;label of the tunnel that is being currently traced. &nbsp=
;In other words</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;the ingress must remove all service-labels above the labe=
l of the</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;tunnel being currently traced, but retain service labels =
below it</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;when sending the echo request.&nbsp;</div>
<div>It seems there is some risk to remove servicing label. In some case,</=
div>
<div>e.g., the packet with service label may enqueue to the highest priorit=
y</div>
<div>queue after service processing, while the packet without service label=
</div>
<div>will enqueue to lowest priority queue. Then it is possible the packet&=
nbsp;</div>
<div>may go through a different internal data path before reaching the trac=
ed</div>
<div>&nbsp;tunnel points, because of the lack of the service label. What if=
 this&nbsp;</div>
<div>packet in lowest prioirity queue is dropped? Then it is difficult to j=
udge</div>
<div>whether the problem is happened on the traced tunnel points, or on&nbs=
p;</div>
<div>the path ahead of it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt; We probably will be removing this section and leave &q=
uot;Service segment&quot; for future study. We will take it back once there=
 is some colear consensus on how service segment will be handled.</div>
<div>=93</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Nagendra (for authors)</div>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, September 25, 2015 at=
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-k=
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sp-ping@tools.ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-kumarkini-mpls=
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cnc.com">curtis@occnc.com</a>&gt;, Loa Andersson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@=
pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;,
 &quot;Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pranjal.dutta=
@alcatel-lucent.com">pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt;, Vishwas Manr=
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[mpls] Fwd: MPLS-RT review=
 of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry, forget to send to the authors and the list.
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Lizhong Jin</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:lizho.jin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lizho.jin@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;</span><br>
Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:17 PM<br>
Subject: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping<br>
To: Loa Andersson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">loa@pi=
.nu</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: Curtis Villamizar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:curtis@occnc.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">curtis@occnc.com</a>&gt;,
<a href=3D"mailto:vishwas@ionosnetworks.com" target=3D"_blank">vishwas@iono=
snetworks.com</a>, &quot;Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com" target=3D"_blank">pranjal.dutta@alca=
tel-lucent.com</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,
<div>Overall, this document is useful and technically sound, and is ready t=
o be considered for WG adoption. Besides comments from Curtis, two more in =
below:</div>
<div>1. Section 7.4</div>
<div>
<div>If the Label-stack-depth is 0 and Target FEC Sub-TLV at FEC-stack-</di=
v>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; depth is TBD2 (IPv6 Prefix Node Segment ID),</div=
>
</div>
<div>Lizhong: typo?&nbsp;should be &quot;more than 0&quot;?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. Section8, it says:</div>
<div>
<div>To avoid this</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;problem, the originator of the &quot;echo request&quot; M=
UST NOT include the</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;service label in the label stack of an echo request above=
 the tunnel</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;label of the tunnel that is being currently traced.&nbsp;=
 In other words<br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;the ingress must remove all service-labels above the labe=
l of the</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;tunnel being currently traced, but retain service labels =
below it</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;when sending the echo request.&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>It seems there is some risk to remove servicing label. In some case,</=
div>
<div>e.g., the packet with service label may enqueue to the highest priorit=
y</div>
<div>queue after service processing, while the packet without service label=
</div>
<div>will enqueue to lowest priority queue. Then it is possible the packet&=
nbsp;</div>
<div>may go through a different internal data path before reaching the trac=
ed</div>
<div>&nbsp;tunnel points, because of the lack of the service label. What if=
 this&nbsp;</div>
<div>packet in lowest prioirity queue is dropped? Then it is difficult to j=
udge</div>
<div>whether the problem is happened on the traced tunnel points, or on&nbs=
p;</div>
<div>the path ahead of it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<span><font color=3D"#888888">
<div>Lizhong</div>
</font></span>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Loa Andersson <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
Curtis, Vishwas, Pranjal, and Lizhong,<br>
<br>
You have be selected as MPLS-RT reviewers for draft-kumarkini-<br>
mpls-spring-lsp-ping.<br>
<br>
Note to authors: You have been CC'd on this email so that you can know<br>
that this review is going on. However, please do not review your own<br>
document.<br>
<br>
Reviews should comment on whether the document is coherent, is it<br>
useful (ie, is it likely to be actually useful in operational networks), an=
d is the document technically sound?<br>
<br>
We are interested in knowing whether the document is ready to be<br>
considered for WG adoption (ie, it doesn't have to be perfect at this<br>
point, but should be a good start).<br>
<br>
Reviews should be sent to the document authors, WG co-chairs and WG<br>
secretary, and CC'd to the MPLS WG email list. If necessary, comments<br>
may be sent privately to only the WG chairs.<br>
<br>
If you have technical comments you should try to be explicit about what<br>
needs to be resolved before adopting it as a working group document, and<br=
>
what can wait until the document is a working group document and the<br>
working group has the revision control.<br>
<br>
Are you able to review this draft by September 25, 2015? Please respond<br>
in a timely fashion.<br>
<br>
Thanks, Loa<br>
(as MPLS WG chair)<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
<br>
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Working Group,

We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respond to
https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
I've asked Scott to help us coordinate this.
Any comments are welcome.

/Loa
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Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64


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Greg,

Thank you for looking at this. See below.


On February 4, 2016 2:11:12 AM Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com> 
wrote:

> Hi Lou,
> I've followed on your suggestion to investigate use of already available 
> objects. I’ve looked into LSP_ATTRIBUTES Object [RFC5420]. Per my analysis 
> we can consider two options:
> •         introduce RSO sub-objects with RTM_Capability sub-TLVs ordered as 
> defined in the current RTM draft, to be used in LSP_ATTRIBUTES Object;

Given 5420 is silent on TLV ordering, I think you need a single RTM 
Attributes TLV, which contains your sub objects carried as sub-tlvs.

I think the new TLV could be allowed in both LSP_ATTRIBUTES and 
LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES objects to cover when RTM is optional/required e2e. 
Just LSP_ATTRIBUTES would be equivalent to what you currently define.

> •         use RRO Attributes sub-object that will be present in RRO Object 
> and define new RTM Capability Flag(s) from IANA Attribute Flags registry. 
> Rules defined in Section 7.3 RFC 5420 would apply.
> Number of Attribute flags is variable, thus the latter option is as 
> flexible as the former or current option documented in our draft.
>

I ruled out the second option in my earlier email as I generally consider 
RROs  a weak approach to supporting LSP control (since they are subject to 
all sorts of generally policy related processing and are 'at risk' in large 
messages.)

That said, the introduction of address to this object does required a note 
in the document on the policy implications, e.g., that processing at  
boundaries such as envisioned in rfc4208 may require rro-like policy 
processing. But this doesn't change my feeling that piggybacking control on 
RRO is generally a 'bad idea'.

Lou

> Greatly appreciate your consideration, comments, suggestions.
>
> 	Regards,
> 		Greg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 10:38 PM
> To: draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org
> Subject: comment on draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time
>
> Hi,
> 	I see you propose defining a new RSVP object class that has application 
> specific scope.  As I'm sure you know the RSVP class-number space is really 
> small so it's best to avoid allocating new object classes whenever 
> possible.  I believe there is an existing object class that you can use for 
> your purposes -- the LSP_ATTRIBUTES object.
>
> Have you considered carrying RTM Hops in 1 (or three,  depending on if you 
> want sub-tlvs or not) new RTM Attribute TLV (or TLVs)?
>
> If not, I think it is worth exploring the viability of this approach or any 
> other approach that doesn't require the allocation of a new class-num.
>
> Lou
> (As contributor and TEAS co-chair)
>



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Scott,

So maybe just a short response.

"Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the MPLS-TP 
Recommendations, this marks a step in the joint MPLS-TP project.

IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7 working groups and
independent document. IETF still have 11 active Internet Drafts.

We are looking forward to your support completing the MPLS-TP
project."

I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send it timely.

Working Group,

Please comment on this?

/Loa

On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:
> I'm willing to help, but I don’t see anything here worth commenting on, unless there is a burning desire to make comments now.  None of the documents liaised have changed dramatically since early 2014.
>
> -scott.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
> Working Group,
>
> We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respond to https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
> I've asked Scott to help us coordinate this.
> Any comments are welcome.
>
> /Loa
> mpls wg co-chair
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Loa. Scott and all,
One of the documents mentioned in the liaison deals with revision  of an IT=
U-T G.8113 that deals with linear protection of MPLS-TP LSPs.

This issue has some history in the MPLS WG:
1. IETF has published RFC 6378 as a Proposed Standard
2. Some  serious technical issues have been then found with this document, =
and as a consequence, RFC 7324 has been published (also as P) to fix these =
issues
3.In addition, RFC 7121 has been published to describe an alternative solut=
ion to RFC 6378  to make linear protection of LPs to macth expectations of =
the Telecom operators; this is also a PS document.

And, in addition, ITU-T has published G.8113 that also deals with linear pr=
otection of MPLS-TP LSPs.

Having so  many documents dealing with the same issue looks problematic tom=
e in any case. And since ITU-T now plans to approve revisions to its own st=
andard pertaining to linear protection of LSPs, it makes sense to ask for s=
ome clarifications, mainly if a revision process of, say. 7121 should be in=
itiated to mact the changes in G.8113.

My 2c,
Sasha

________________________________________
From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 5:32 AM
To: Scott Mansfield; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [mpls] https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/

Scott,

So maybe just a short response.

"Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the MPLS-TP
Recommendations, this marks a step in the joint MPLS-TP project.

IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7 working groups and
independent document. IETF still have 11 active Internet Drafts.

We are looking forward to your support completing the MPLS-TP
project."

I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send it timely.

Working Group,

Please comment on this?

/Loa

On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:
> I'm willing to help, but I don=92t see anything here worth commenting on,=
 unless there is a burning desire to make comments now.  None of the docume=
nts liaised have changed dramatically since early 2014.
>
> -scott.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:58 AM
> To: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Scott Mansfield
> Subject: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>
> Working Group,
>
> We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respond to h=
ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
> I've asked Scott to help us coordinate this.
> Any comments are welcome.
>
> /Loa
> mpls wg co-chair
>

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Hello Sasha,

You are probably referring to G.8131.

FYI: G.8131 is based on and in line with the RFCs you mention.
G.8131 was published after these RFC were published, there were
liaisons exchanged to align the progress of this work.

Best regards, Huub.


> Loa. Scott and all,
> One of the documents mentioned in the liaison deals with revision  of an ITU-T G.8113 that deals with linear protection of MPLS-TP LSPs.
>
> This issue has some history in the MPLS WG:
> 1. IETF has published RFC 6378 as a Proposed Standard
> 2. Some  serious technical issues have been then found with this document, and as a consequence, RFC 7324 has been published (also as P) to fix these issues
> 3.In addition, RFC 7121 has been published to describe an alternative solution to RFC 6378  to make linear protection of LPs to macth expectations of the Telecom operators; this is also a PS document.
>
> And, in addition, ITU-T has published G.8113 that also deals with linear protection of MPLS-TP LSPs.
>
> Having so  many documents dealing with the same issue looks problematic tome in any case. And since ITU-T now plans to approve revisions to its own standard pertaining to linear protection of LSPs, it makes sense to ask for some clarifications, mainly if a revision process of, say. 7121 should be initiated to mact the changes in G.8113.
>
> My 2c,
> Sasha
>
> ________________________________________
> From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 5:32 AM
> To: Scott Mansfield; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [mpls] https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>
> Scott,
>
> So maybe just a short response.
>
> "Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the MPLS-TP
> Recommendations, this marks a step in the joint MPLS-TP project.
>
> IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7 working groups and
> independent document. IETF still have 11 active Internet Drafts.
>
> We are looking forward to your support completing the MPLS-TP
> project."
>
> I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send it timely.
>
> Working Group,
>
> Please comment on this?
>
> /Loa
>
> On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:
>> I'm willing to help, but I don’t see anything here worth commenting on, unless there is a burning desire to make comments now.  None of the documents liaised have changed dramatically since early 2014.
>>
>> -scott.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:58 AM
>> To: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Scott Mansfield
>> Subject: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>>
>> Working Group,
>>
>> We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respond to https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>> I've asked Scott to help us coordinate this.
>> Any comments are welcome.
>>
>> /Loa
>> mpls wg co-chair
>>


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All,

We have had discussion among the MPLS, TEAS and CCAMP working group
chairs - but as individual contributors, with chair half off. We agree
that this discussion should be taken to the working group(s).

The YANG models for MPLS and GMPLS are quite rapidly taking shape. MPLS
and GMPLS technologies have traditionally been very close, but their
development has been a bit disjoint. For the YANG models we would like
to minimize duplication of models/work and think the structure should
have a common the top,  with specific technologies augmented below.

The structure in general as well as the YANG model at the common top
needs to be the generic and aligned across the output of at least
CCAMP, MPLS and TEAS working groups. There has been good work 
progressing on TE specifics, e.g., see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te, but
other areas remain. On the LDP side of the house draft-raza-mpls-
ldp-mldp-yang is rapidly progressing towards working group adoption.

The models defined in draft-saad-mpls-static-yang could serve as the
start on filling some of the remaining gaps; covering core xMPLS
definitions and static LSPs.  There are a number of ways to make the
structure intuitive and generic, and serve as a foundation for
technology specific models.  -- This effort can be viewed as the same
type of work that was done for TE, see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te.

We think it would be a good idea  if the authors and the  WG considers
how to structure xMPLS definitions and static LSPs models to best
foster common use across the different related models being worked on 
across  different WGs.

We are sending this mail in hopes of getting this discussion started.

Thank you,
Lou and Loa
-- 


Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64


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Hummmmmmmm=E2=80=A6..

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Scott Mansfield <
scott.mansfield@ericsson.com> wrote:

> I'm ok with this.  Any other words?  Please hum if you think this is ok
> and I will draft it up and put it into the tool.
>
> Thanks,
> -scott.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 10:33 PM
> To: Scott Mansfield; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>
> Scott,
>
> So maybe just a short response.
>
> "Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the MPLS-TP
> Recommendations, this marks a step in the joint MPLS-TP project.
>
> IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7 working groups and
> independent document. IETF still have 11 active Internet Drafts.
>
> We are looking forward to your support completing the MPLS-TP project."
>
> I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send it timely.
>
> Working Group,
>
> Please comment on this?
>
> /Loa
>
> On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:
> > I'm willing to help, but I don=E2=80=99t see anything here worth commen=
ting on,
> unless there is a burning desire to make comments now.  None of the
> documents liaised have changed dramatically since early 2014.
> >
> > -scott.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:58 AM
> > To: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Scott Mansfield
> > Subject: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
> >
> > Working Group,
> >
> > We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respond
> > to https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
> > I've asked Scott to help us coordinate this.
> > Any comments are welcome.
> >
> > /Loa
> > mpls wg co-chair
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hummmmmmmm=E2=80=A6..<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Scott Mansfield <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.mansfield@ericsson.com" target=3D"_=
blank">scott.mansfield@ericsson.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">I&#39;m ok with this.=C2=A0 Any other words?=C2=A0 Please =
hum if you think this is ok and I will draft it up and put it into the tool=
.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<span>-scott.<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Loa Andersson [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">=
loa@pi.nu</a>]<br>
</span><span>Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 10:33 PM<br>
To: Scott Mansfield; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpl=
s@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">m=
pls-chairs@ietf.org</a><br>
</span><div><div>Subject: Re: <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liais=
on/1435/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org=
/liaison/1435/</a><br>
<br>
Scott,<br>
<br>
So maybe just a short response.<br>
<br>
&quot;Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the MPLS-TP Recommen=
dations, this marks a step in the joint MPLS-TP project.<br>
<br>
IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7 working groups and indepe=
ndent document. IETF still have 11 active Internet Drafts.<br>
<br>
We are looking forward to your support completing the MPLS-TP project.&quot=
;<br>
<br>
I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send it timely.<br>
<br>
Working Group,<br>
<br>
Please comment on this?<br>
<br>
/Loa<br>
<br>
On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:<br>
&gt; I&#39;m willing to help, but I don=E2=80=99t see anything here worth c=
ommenting on, unless there is a burning desire to make comments now.=C2=A0 =
None of the documents liaised have changed dramatically since early 2014.<b=
r>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -scott.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Loa Andersson [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_bl=
ank">loa@pi.nu</a>]<br>
&gt; Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:58 AM<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls@ietf.org</=
a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls-chairs@i=
etf.org</a>; Scott Mansfield<br>
&gt; Subject: <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/" rel=3D=
"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/</=
a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Working Group,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respond<b=
r>
&gt; to <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/" rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/</a><br>
&gt; I&#39;ve asked Scott to help us coordinate this.<br>
&gt; Any comments are welcome.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; /Loa<br>
&gt; mpls wg co-chair<br>
&gt;<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hummmm<small>mmmm</small>….. 2<br>
      <br>
      On 05-02-16 23:36, Andrew G. Malis wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hummmmmmmm…..
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Scott
            Mansfield <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:scott.mansfield@ericsson.com"
                target="_blank">scott.mansfield@ericsson.com</a>&gt;</span>
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'm ok
              with this.  Any other words?  Please hum if you think this
              is ok and I will draft it up and put it into the tool.<br>
              <br>
              Thanks,<br>
              <span>-scott.<br>
                <br>
                -----Original Message-----<br>
                From: Loa Andersson [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:loa@pi.nu" target="_blank">loa@pi.nu</a>]<br>
              </span><span>Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 10:33 PM<br>
                To: Scott Mansfield; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target="_blank">mpls@ietf.org</a>;
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org" target="_blank">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a><br>
              </span>
              <div>
                <div>Subject: Re: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/</a><br>
                  <br>
                  Scott,<br>
                  <br>
                  So maybe just a short response.<br>
                  <br>
                  "Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the
                  MPLS-TP Recommendations, this marks a step in the
                  joint MPLS-TP project.<br>
                  <br>
                  IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7
                  working groups and independent document. IETF still
                  have 11 active Internet Drafts.<br>
                  <br>
                  We are looking forward to your support completing the
                  MPLS-TP project."<br>
                  <br>
                  I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send
                  it timely.<br>
                  <br>
                  Working Group,<br>
                  <br>
                  Please comment on this?<br>
                  <br>
                  /Loa<br>
                  <br>
                  On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:<br>
                  &gt; I'm willing to help, but I don’t see anything
                  here worth commenting on, unless there is a burning
                  desire to make comments now.  None of the documents
                  liaised have changed dramatically since early 2014.<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; -scott.<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
                  &gt; From: Loa Andersson [mailto:<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:loa@pi.nu"
                    target="_blank">loa@pi.nu</a>]<br>
                  &gt; Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:58 AM<br>
                  &gt; To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target="_blank">mpls@ietf.org</a>;
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org" target="_blank">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a>;
                  Scott Mansfield<br>
                  &gt; Subject: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/</a><br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; Working Group,<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to
                  decide on how to respond<br>
                  &gt; to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/</a><br>
                  &gt; I've asked Scott to help us coordinate this.<br>
                  &gt; Any comments are welcome.<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; /Loa<br>
                  &gt; mpls wg co-chair<br>
                  &gt;<br>
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Scott,

Since I wrote the words I don't think I need to hum, but just in
case ... hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm

/Loa

On 2016-02-06 06:29, Scott Mansfield wrote:
> I'm ok with this.  Any other words?  Please hum if you think this is ok and I will draft it up and put it into the tool.
>
> Thanks,
> -scott.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 10:33 PM
> To: Scott Mansfield; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>
> Scott,
>
> So maybe just a short response.
>
> "Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the MPLS-TP Recommendations, this marks a step in the joint MPLS-TP project.
>
> IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7 working groups and independent document. IETF still have 11 active Internet Drafts.
>
> We are looking forward to your support completing the MPLS-TP project."
>
> I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send it timely.
>
> Working Group,
>
> Please comment on this?
>
> /Loa
>
> On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:
>> I'm willing to help, but I don’t see anything here worth commenting on, unless there is a burning desire to make comments now.  None of the documents liaised have changed dramatically since early 2014.
>>
>> -scott.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:58 AM
>> To: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Scott Mansfield
>> Subject: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>>
>> Working Group,
>>
>> We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respond
>> to https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>> I've asked Scott to help us coordinate this.
>> Any comments are welcome.
>>
>> /Loa
>> mpls wg co-chair
>>


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Hello Sasha,

The amendment is to align G.8131 with the published RFCc. So it is
following work in the IETF.

Have a nice weekend, Huub.

sent from Huawei Nexus
On 6 Feb 2016 2:16 p.m., "Alexander Vainshtein" <
Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> wrote:

> Huub,
>
> Lots of thanks for a prompt response and for a catched typo.
>
>
>
> In any case, does the proposed Amendment imply that IETF has to do
> something about tgese RFCs as wekl to keep everything in sync?
>
>
>
> Regards, and lots of thamks in advance,
>
> Sasha
>
>
>
>
> Thumb typed on my LG,
> Sasha
>
> ------ Original message ------
> *From: *Huub van Helvoort
> *Date: *05/02/2016 13:55
> *To: *Alexander Vainshtein;Loa Andersson;Scott Mansfield;
> *Cc: *mpls@ietf.org;mpls-chairs@ietf.org;
> *Subject:*Re: [mpls] https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>
> Hello Sasha,
>
> You are probably referring to G.8131.
>
> FYI: G.8131 is based on and in line with the RFCs you mention.
> G.8131 was published after these RFC were published, there were
> liaisons exchanged to align the progress of this work.
>
> Best regards, Huub.
>
>
> > Loa. Scott and all,
> > One of the documents mentioned in the liaison deals with revision  of a=
n
> ITU-T G.8113 that deals with linear protection of MPLS-TP LSPs.
> >
> > This issue has some history in the MPLS WG:
> > 1. IETF has published RFC 6378 as a Proposed Standard
> > 2. Some  serious technical issues have been then found with this
> document, and as a consequence, RFC 7324 has been published (also as P) t=
o
> fix these issues
> > 3.In addition, RFC 7121 has been published to describe an alternative
> solution to RFC 6378  to make linear protection of LPs to macth
> expectations of the Telecom operators; this is also a PS document.
> >
> > And, in addition, ITU-T has published G.8113 that also deals with linea=
r
> protection of MPLS-TP LSPs.
> >
> > Having so  many documents dealing with the same issue looks problematic
> tome in any case. And since ITU-T now plans to approve revisions to its o=
wn
> standard pertaining to linear protection of LSPs, it makes sense to ask f=
or
> some clarifications, mainly if a revision process of, say. 7121 should be
> initiated to mact the changes in G.8113.
> >
> > My 2c,
> > Sasha
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Loa Andersson <loa@pi.n=
u
> >
> > Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 5:32 AM
> > To: Scott Mansfield; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [mpls] https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > So maybe just a short response.
> >
> > "Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the MPLS-TP
> > Recommendations, this marks a step in the joint MPLS-TP project.
> >
> > IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7 working groups and
> > independent document. IETF still have 11 active Internet Drafts.
> >
> > We are looking forward to your support completing the MPLS-TP
> > project."
> >
> > I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send it timely.
> >
> > Working Group,
> >
> > Please comment on this?
> >
> > /Loa
> >
> > On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:
> >> I'm willing to help, but I don=E2=80=99t see anything here worth comme=
nting on,
> unless there is a burning desire to make comments now.  None of the
> documents liaised have changed dramatically since early 2014.
> >>
> >> -scott.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu <loa@pi.nu>]
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:58 AM
> >> To: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Scott Mansfield
> >> Subject: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
> >>
> >> Working Group,
> >>
> >> We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respond t=
o
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
> >> I've asked Scott to help us coordinate this.
> >> Any comments are welcome.
> >>
> >> /Loa
> >> mpls wg co-chair
> >>
>
>

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<p dir=3D"ltr">Hello Sasha,</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">The amendment is to align G.8131 with the published RFCc. So=
 it is following work in the IETF.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Have a nice weekend, Huub.<br></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">sent from Huawei Nexus</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6 Feb 2016 2:16 p.m., &quot;Alexander Vainsht=
ein&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com">Alexander=
.Vainshtein@ecitele.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">





<div>
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt">
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Huub,</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Lots of thanks for a prompt respo=
nse and for a catched typo.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">In any case, does the proposed Am=
endment imply that IETF has to do something about tgese RFCs as wekl to kee=
p everything in sync?</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Regards, and lots of thamks in ad=
vance,</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Sasha</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">=C2=A0</p>
<u></u>Thumb typed on my LG,<br>
Sasha<u></u><br>
<br>
------ Original message ------<br>
<b>From:=C2=A0</b>Huub van Helvoort<u></u><br>
<b>Date:=C2=A0</b>05/02/2016 13:55<br>
<b>To:=C2=A0</b>Alexander Vainshtein;Loa Andersson;Scott Mansfield;<br>
<b>Cc:=C2=A0</b><a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls@iet=
f.org</a>;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls-ch=
airs@ietf.org</a>;<br>
<b>Subject:</b>Re: [mpls] <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1=
435/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/</a><br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">
<div>Hello Sasha,<br>
<br>
You are probably referring to G.8131.<br>
<br>
FYI: G.8131 is based on and in line with the RFCs you mention.<br>
G.8131 was published after these RFC were published, there were<br>
liaisons exchanged to align the progress of this work.<br>
<br>
Best regards, Huub.<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; Loa. Scott and all,<br>
&gt; One of the documents mentioned in the liaison deals with revision =C2=
=A0of an ITU-T G.8113 that deals with linear protection of MPLS-TP LSPs.<br=
>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This issue has some history in the MPLS WG:<br>
&gt; 1. IETF has published RFC 6378 as a Proposed Standard<br>
&gt; 2. Some =C2=A0serious technical issues have been then found with this =
document, and as a consequence, RFC 7324 has been published (also as P) to =
fix these issues<br>
&gt; 3.In addition, RFC 7121 has been published to describe an alternative =
solution to RFC 6378 =C2=A0to make linear protection of LPs to macth expect=
ations of the Telecom operators; this is also a PS document.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; And, in addition, ITU-T has published G.8113 that also deals with line=
ar protection of MPLS-TP LSPs.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Having so =C2=A0many documents dealing with the same issue looks probl=
ematic tome in any case. And since ITU-T now plans to approve revisions to =
its own standard pertaining to linear protection of LSPs, it makes sense to=
 ask for some clarifications, mainly if
 a revision process of, say. 7121 should be initiated to mact the changes i=
n G.8113.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My 2c,<br>
&gt; Sasha<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ________________________________________<br>
&gt; From: mpls &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">mpls-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Loa Andersson &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 5:32 AM<br>
&gt; To: Scott Mansfield; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank=
">mpls@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [mpls]=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liais=
on/1435/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/</a><=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Scott,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So maybe just a short response.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the MPLS-TP<br>
&gt; Recommendations, this marks a step in the joint MPLS-TP project.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7 working groups and<b=
r>
&gt; independent document. IETF still have 11 active Internet Drafts.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; We are looking forward to your support completing the MPLS-TP<br>
&gt; project.&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send it timely.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Working Group,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Please comment on this?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; /Loa<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; I&#39;m willing to help, but I don=E2=80=99t see anything here wor=
th commenting on, unless there is a burning desire to make comments now.=C2=
=A0 None of the documents liaised have changed dramatically since early 201=
4.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; -scott.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt;&gt; From: Loa Andersson [<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank=
">mailto:loa@pi.nu</a>]<br>
&gt;&gt; Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:58 AM<br>
&gt;&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls@ietf.o=
rg</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls-chai=
rs@ietf.org</a>; Scott Mansfield<br>
&gt;&gt; Subject:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435=
/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Working Group,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respo=
nd to=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/" target=3D=
"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/</a><br>
&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve asked Scott to help us coordinate this.<br>
&gt;&gt; Any comments are welcome.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; /Loa<br>
&gt;&gt; mpls wg co-chair<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>
</span></font></span>
</div>

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Hummmmmmmm..... 4

On 2016/02/06 10:28, 류정동 wrote:
> Hummmmmmmm….. 3
> -------- 원본 이메일 --------
> 보낸 사람: Huub van Helvoort <huubatwork@gmail.com>
> 날짜: 2016/2/6 오전 7:57 (GMT+09:00)
> 받은 사람: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>, Scott Mansfield <scott.mansfield@ericsson.com>
> 참조: mpls@ietf.org, mpls-chairs@ietf.org
> 제목: Re: [mpls] https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>
> Hummmmmmmm….. 2
>
> On 05-02-16 23:36, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
>> Hummmmmmmm…..
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Scott Mansfield <scott.mansfield@ericsson.com <mailto:scott.mansfield@ericsson.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I'm ok with this.  Any other words?  Please hum if you think this is ok and I will draft it up and put it into the tool.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     -scott.
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu <mailto:loa@pi.nu>]
>>     Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 10:33 PM
>>     To: Scott Mansfield; mpls@ietf.org <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>; mpls-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org>
>>     Subject: Re: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/>
>>
>>     Scott,
>>
>>     So maybe just a short response.
>>
>>     "Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the MPLS-TP Recommendations, this marks a step in the joint MPLS-TP project.
>>
>>     IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7 working groups and independent document. IETF still have 11 active Internet Drafts.
>>
>>     We are looking forward to your support completing the MPLS-TP project."
>>
>>     I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send it timely.
>>
>>     Working Group,
>>
>>     Please comment on this?
>>
>>     /Loa
>>
>>     On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:
>>     > I'm willing to help, but I don’t see anything here worth commenting on, unless there is a burning desire to make comments now.  None of the documents
>>     liaised have changed dramatically since early 2014.
>>     >
>>     > -scott.
>>     >
>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>     > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu <mailto:loa@pi.nu>]
>>     > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:58 AM
>>     > To: mpls@ietf.org <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>; mpls-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org>; Scott Mansfield
>>     > Subject: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/>
>>     >
>>     > Working Group,
>>     >
>>     > We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respond
>>     > to https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/>
>>     > I've asked Scott to help us coordinate this.
>>     > Any comments are welcome.
>>     >
>>     > /Loa
>>     > mpls wg co-chair
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hummmmmmmm..... 4<br>
      <br>
      On 2016/02/06 10:28, 류정동 wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:ix2c1bd15axo9xqv56rbdhe2.1454722114331@email.android.com"
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      Hummmm<small original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">mmmm</small>…..
      3
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        <div>-------- 원본 이메일 --------</div>
        <div>보낸 사람: Huub van Helvoort <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:huubatwork@gmail.com">&lt;huubatwork@gmail.com&gt;</a> </div>
        <div>날짜: 2016/2/6 오전 7:57 (GMT+09:00) </div>
        <div>받은 사람: "Andrew G. Malis" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:agmalis@gmail.com">&lt;agmalis@gmail.com&gt;</a>, Scott
          Mansfield <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:scott.mansfield@ericsson.com">&lt;scott.mansfield@ericsson.com&gt;</a>
        </div>
        <div>참조: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a> </div>
        <div>제목: Re: [mpls] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/</a> </div>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hummmm<small>mmmm</small>….. 2<br>
        <br>
        On 05-02-16 23:36, Andrew G. Malis wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">Hummmmmmmm…..
          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM,
              Scott Mansfield <span dir="ltr">
                &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:scott.mansfield@ericsson.com">scott.mansfield@ericsson.com</a>&gt;</span>
              wrote:<br>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;
                border-left:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
                I'm ok with this.  Any other words?  Please hum if you
                think this is ok and I will draft it up and put it into
                the tool.<br>
                <br>
                Thanks,<br>
                <span>-scott.<br>
                  <br>
                  -----Original Message-----<br>
                  From: Loa Andersson [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</a>]<br>
                </span><span>Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 10:33 PM<br>
                  To: Scott Mansfield; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>; <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org">
                    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a></a><br>
                </span>
                <div>
                  <div>Subject: Re: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/"
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                      https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/</a><br>
                    <br>
                    Scott,<br>
                    <br>
                    So maybe just a short response.<br>
                    <br>
                    "Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of
                    the MPLS-TP Recommendations, this marks a step in
                    the joint MPLS-TP project.<br>
                    <br>
                    IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7
                    working groups and independent document. IETF still
                    have 11 active Internet Drafts.<br>
                    <br>
                    We are looking forward to your support completing
                    the MPLS-TP project."<br>
                    <br>
                    I think you can correct grammar and spelling and
                    send it timely.<br>
                    <br>
                    Working Group,<br>
                    <br>
                    Please comment on this?<br>
                    <br>
                    /Loa<br>
                    <br>
                    On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:<br>
                    &gt; I'm willing to help, but I don’t see anything
                    here worth commenting on, unless there is a burning
                    desire to make comments now.  None of the documents
                    liaised have changed dramatically since early 2014.<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt; -scott.<br>
                    &gt;<br>
                    &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
                    &gt; From: Loa Andersson [mailto:<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:loa@pi.nu"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</a></a>]<br>
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                    &gt; To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>; <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a></a>; Scott Mansfield<br>
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                    &gt;<br>
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The following errata report has been verified for RFC7439,
"Gap Analysis for Operating IPv6-Only MPLS Networks". 

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Status: Verified
Type: Editorial

Reported by: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Date Reported: 2016-01-15
Verified by: Deborah Brungard (IESG)

Section: 3.5

Original Text
-------------
   RFC 3811 [RFC3811] defines the textual conventions for MPLS.  These
   lack support for IPv6 in defining MplsExtendedTunnelId and
   MplsLsrIdentifier.  These textual conventions are used in the MPLS-TE
   MIB specification [RFC3812], the GMPLS-TE MIB specification [RFC4802]
   and the FRR extension [RFC6445].  "Definitions of Textual Conventions
   (TCs) for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Management" [MPLS-TC]
   tries to resolve this gap by marking this textual convention as
   obsolete.

Corrected Text
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   RFC 3811 [RFC3811] defines the textual conventions for MPLS.  These
   lack support for IPv6 in defining MplsExtendedTunnelId.  This textual
   conventions is used in the MPLS-TE MIB specification [RFC3812], the 
   GMPLS-TE MIB specification [RFC4802], and the FRR extension
   [RFC6445].  "Definitions of Textual Conventions (TCs) for 
   Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Management" [MPLS-TC] tries
   to resolve this gap by marking this textual convention as obsolete.

Notes
-----
Section 3.5 comments about MplsLsrIdentifier.
It says that RFC 3811 "lack[s] support for IPv6 in defining MplsExtendedTunnelId and MplsLsrIdentifier." It also says that "[MPLS-TC] tries to resolve this gap by marking this textual convention as obsolete."

Note that the second quote refers to just one TC.

Looking at 3811, 5036, and (most importantly) 7552, it seems to me that the LSR Identifier is *always* a 32 bit quantity regardless of whether the LDP system is v4-only, v4/v6, or v6-only. 

Furthermore, draft-manral-mpls-rfc3811bis (i.e., [MPLS-TC]) clearly shows no
change to MplsLsrIdentifier while marking MplsExtendedTunnelId as obsolete.

Notwithstanding that draft-manral-mpls-rfc3811bis appears to have been abandoned in state "candidate for WG adoption", it looks to me that RFC 7439 has an error we could call a typo.

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RFC7439 (draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-only-gap-04)
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Title               : Gap Analysis for Operating IPv6-Only MPLS Networks
Publication Date    : January 2015
Author(s)           : W. George, Ed., C. Pignataro, Ed.
Category            : INFORMATIONAL
Source              : Multiprotocol Label Switching
Area                : Routing
Stream              : IETF
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The following errata report has been held for document update 
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Date Reported: 2016-01-09
Held by: Deborah Brungard (IESG)

Section: 9.1

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9.1.  IANA Considerations for MPLS-OAM-ID-STD-MIB

   IANA has to assign the OID { mplsStdMIB 21 } to the
   MPLS-OAM-ID-STD-MIB module specified in this document.


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9.1.  IANA Considerations for MPLS-OAM-ID-STD-MIB

   IANA has assigned the OID { mplsStdMIB 21 } to the
   MPLS-OAM-ID-STD-MIB module specified in this document.


Notes
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Missed by RFC Editor to change from future tense "has to assign" to past tense "has assigned".

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RFC7697 (draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib-11)
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Title               : MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) Identifiers Management Information Base (MIB)
Publication Date    : January 2016
Author(s)           : P. Pan, S. Aldrin, M. Venkatesan, K. Sampath, T. Nadeau, S. Boutros
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Source              : Multiprotocol Label Switching
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There is a consolidated MPLS model introduced by OpenConfig, the 02 version=
 publisehd in October of last year. =20

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model-02

It has a base model which then has three different sub-models defined in th=
e hierarchy covering types of LSPs: static, IGP-congruent/unconstrained (rou=
ting-dependent), and TE/constrained. =20

Thanks,=20

Phil=20




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iva@cisco.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 10:43
To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>, "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [mpls] discussion on a common top for yang models related to M=
PLS

>
>My preference wasn=E2=80=99t quite clear in the previous email, so let me state =
it explicitly - (1), IMO, MPLS base should reside off the root, and for (2) =
it might be worth dividing the subsequent models as either non-routing or ro=
uting, given that MPLS control plane e.g. LDP would be routing dependent, wh=
ereas static LSP _could_ not be.=20
>
>For (2), a hierarchy something like his works out (where non-routing is no=
thing but MPLS base)
>
>	MPLS Base
>		<non-routing>
>			Static LSP
>		<routing>
>			Static LSP
>			Dynamic LSP - LDP, mLDP, RSVP-TE,=20
>
>
>However, it creates an interesting challenge for aligning the yang models =
and while keeping the hierarchy simple.
>
>
>Is it worth having a focused team figuring out MPLS base staying off the r=
oot, whereas routing-dependent MPLS control plane protocols e.g. LDP staying=
 off routing?
>
>--=20
>Cheers,
>Rajiv Asati
>Distinguished Engineer, Cisco
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rajiv Asati <rajiva@cisco.com>
>Date: Friday, February 5, 2016 at 8:58 AM
>To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>, "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>
>Subject: Re: [mpls] discussion on a common top for yang models related to =
MPLS
>
>>Loa,
>>
>>I definitely agree (co-author hat off, and user hat on). Avoiding duplica=
tion and doing better organization would indeed be a good thing to do.  =20
>>
>>1) If MPLS base model (and subsequent models - LDP, TE etc.) augments the=
 (IP) routing/routing-protocol, then it might not well apply to GMPLS. Is th=
ere an existing thought-process on this topic?=20
>>
>>Either ignore the above and have GMPLS argument mpls base model as is, or=
 get MPLS base on an independent path (off of (IP) routing/routing-protocol)=
 and work out the subsequent models.
>>
>>
>>2) In terms of hierarchy, is the below envisioned?
>>
>>	MPLS base =3D> Static LSP and dynamic LSP
>>		MPLS static LSP =3D>=20
>>		MPLS dynamic LSP =3D> 	
>>			LDP
>>			mLDP (MP)
>>			TE (RSVP-TE P2P)
>>			TE (RSVP-TE P2MP)			   =20
>>
>>--=20
>>Cheers,
>>Rajiv =20
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
>>Date: Friday, February 5, 2016 at 7:34 AM
>>To: "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>
>>Subject: [mpls] discussion on a common top for yang models related to MPL=
S
>>
>>>All,
>>>
>>>We have had discussion among the MPLS, TEAS and CCAMP working group
>>>chairs - but as individual contributors, with chair half off. We agree
>>>that this discussion should be taken to the working group(s).
>>>
>>>The YANG models for MPLS and GMPLS are quite rapidly taking shape. MPLS
>>>and GMPLS technologies have traditionally been very close, but their
>>>development has been a bit disjoint. For the YANG models we would like
>>>to minimize duplication of models/work and think the structure should
>>>have a common the top,  with specific technologies augmented below.
>>>
>>>The structure in general as well as the YANG model at the common top
>>>needs to be the generic and aligned across the output of at least
>>>CCAMP, MPLS and TEAS working groups. There has been good work=20
>>>progressing on TE specifics, e.g., see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te, but
>>>other areas remain. On the LDP side of the house draft-raza-mpls-
>>>ldp-mldp-yang is rapidly progressing towards working group adoption.
>>>
>>>The models defined in draft-saad-mpls-static-yang could serve as the
>>>start on filling some of the remaining gaps; covering core xMPLS
>>>definitions and static LSPs.  There are a number of ways to make the
>>>structure intuitive and generic, and serve as a foundation for
>>>technology specific models.  -- This effort can be viewed as the same
>>>type of work that was done for TE, see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te.
>>>
>>>We think it would be a good idea  if the authors and the  WG considers
>>>how to structure xMPLS definitions and static LSPs models to best
>>>foster common use across the different related models being worked on=20
>>>across  different WGs.
>>>
>>>We are sending this mail in hopes of getting this discussion started.
>>>
>>>Thank you,
>>>Lou and Loa
>>>--=20
>>>
>>>
>>>Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
>>>Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
>>>Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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I was going to bring exactly same point.

Over the last 6 months, in protocol/ services related modeling work we have=
 put lot of effort trying to align with OpenConfig.
Keeping this alignment with base MPLS model would be rather logical step.

Regards,
Jeff

> On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Phil Bedard <bedard.phil@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> There is a consolidated MPLS model introduced by OpenConfig, the 02 versi=
on publisehd in October of last year. =20
>=20
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model-02
>=20
> It has a base model which then has three different sub-models defined in =
the hierarchy covering types of LSPs: static, IGP-congruent/unconstrained (=
routing-dependent), and TE/constrained. =20
>=20
> Thanks,=20
>=20
> Phil=20
>=20
>=20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <r=
ajiva@cisco.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 10:43
> To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>, "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [mpls] discussion on a common top for yang models related to=
 MPLS
>=20
>>=20
>> My preference wasn=92t quite clear in the previous email, so let me stat=
e it explicitly - (1), IMO, MPLS base should reside off the root, and for (=
2) it might be worth dividing the subsequent models as either non-routing o=
r routing, given that MPLS control plane e.g. LDP would be routing dependen=
t, whereas static LSP _could_ not be.=20
>>=20
>> For (2), a hierarchy something like his works out (where non-routing is =
nothing but MPLS base)
>>=20
>>    MPLS Base
>>        <non-routing>
>>            Static LSP
>>        <routing>
>>            Static LSP
>>            Dynamic LSP - LDP, mLDP, RSVP-TE,=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> However, it creates an interesting challenge for aligning the yang model=
s and while keeping the hierarchy simple.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Is it worth having a focused team figuring out MPLS base staying off the=
 root, whereas routing-dependent MPLS control plane protocols e.g. LDP stay=
ing off routing?
>>=20
>> --=20
>> Cheers,
>> Rajiv Asati
>> Distinguished Engineer, Cisco
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rajiv Asati <rajiva@cisco.com>
>> Date: Friday, February 5, 2016 at 8:58 AM
>> To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>, "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [mpls] discussion on a common top for yang models related t=
o MPLS
>>=20
>>> Loa,
>>>=20
>>> I definitely agree (co-author hat off, and user hat on). Avoiding dupli=
cation and doing better organization would indeed be a good thing to do.  =
=20
>>>=20
>>> 1) If MPLS base model (and subsequent models - LDP, TE etc.) augments t=
he (IP) routing/routing-protocol, then it might not well apply to GMPLS. Is=
 there an existing thought-process on this topic?=20
>>>=20
>>> Either ignore the above and have GMPLS argument mpls base model as is, =
or get MPLS base on an independent path (off of (IP) routing/routing-protoc=
ol) and work out the subsequent models.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> 2) In terms of hierarchy, is the below envisioned?
>>>=20
>>>    MPLS base =3D> Static LSP and dynamic LSP
>>>        MPLS static LSP =3D>=20
>>>        MPLS dynamic LSP =3D>   =20
>>>            LDP
>>>            mLDP (MP)
>>>            TE (RSVP-TE P2P)
>>>            TE (RSVP-TE P2MP)               =20
>>>=20
>>> --=20
>>> Cheers,
>>> Rajiv =20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Loa Andersson <loa@pi.n=
u>
>>> Date: Friday, February 5, 2016 at 7:34 AM
>>> To: "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>
>>> Subject: [mpls] discussion on a common top for yang models related to M=
PLS
>>>=20
>>>> All,
>>>>=20
>>>> We have had discussion among the MPLS, TEAS and CCAMP working group
>>>> chairs - but as individual contributors, with chair half off. We agree
>>>> that this discussion should be taken to the working group(s).
>>>>=20
>>>> The YANG models for MPLS and GMPLS are quite rapidly taking shape. MPL=
S
>>>> and GMPLS technologies have traditionally been very close, but their
>>>> development has been a bit disjoint. For the YANG models we would like
>>>> to minimize duplication of models/work and think the structure should
>>>> have a common the top,  with specific technologies augmented below.
>>>>=20
>>>> The structure in general as well as the YANG model at the common top
>>>> needs to be the generic and aligned across the output of at least
>>>> CCAMP, MPLS and TEAS working groups. There has been good work=20
>>>> progressing on TE specifics, e.g., see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te, but
>>>> other areas remain. On the LDP side of the house draft-raza-mpls-
>>>> ldp-mldp-yang is rapidly progressing towards working group adoption.
>>>>=20
>>>> The models defined in draft-saad-mpls-static-yang could serve as the
>>>> start on filling some of the remaining gaps; covering core xMPLS
>>>> definitions and static LSPs.  There are a number of ways to make the
>>>> structure intuitive and generic, and serve as a foundation for
>>>> technology specific models.  -- This effort can be viewed as the same
>>>> type of work that was done for TE, see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te.
>>>>=20
>>>> We think it would be a good idea  if the authors and the  WG considers
>>>> how to structure xMPLS definitions and static LSPs models to best
>>>> foster common use across the different related models being worked on=
=20
>>>> across  different WGs.
>>>>=20
>>>> We are sending this mail in hopes of getting this discussion started.
>>>>=20
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Lou and Loa
>>>> --=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
>>>> Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
>>>> Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

        Title           : Residence Time Measurement in MPLS network
        Authors         : Greg Mirsky
                          Stefano Ruffini
                          Eric Gray
                          John Drake
                          Stewart Bryant
                          Alexander Vainshtein
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-02.txt
	Pages           : 24
	Date            : 2016-02-10

Abstract:
   This document specifies G-ACh based Residence Time Measurement and
   how it can be used by time synchronization protocols being
   transported over MPLS domain.

   Residence time is the variable part of propagation delay of timing
   and synchronization messages and knowing what this delay is for each
   message allows for a more accurate determination of the delay to be
   taken into account in applying the value included in a PTP event
   message.


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e late reply. I am fine with the changes, thank you.</span></font></div><=
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<div>Hi Lizhong,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the comments and apologies for the delayed response. Plea=
se see below:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>=221. Section 7.4</div>
<div>If the Label-stack-depth is 0 and Target =46EC Sub-TLV at =46EC-stac=
k-</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; depth is TBD2 (IPv6 Prefix Node Segment ID),</d=
iv>
<div>Lizhong: typo=3F should be =22more than 0=22=3F</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt;Good Catch. We changed it.</div>
<div>&lt;/Authors&gt;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. Section8, it says:</div>
<div>To avoid this</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;problem, the originator of the =22echo request=22 MUST =
NOT include the</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;service label in the label stack of an echo request abo=
ve the tunnel</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;label of the tunnel that is being currently traced. &nb=
sp;In other words</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;the ingress must remove all service-labels above the la=
bel of the</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;tunnel being currently traced, but retain service label=
s below it</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;when sending the echo request.&nbsp;</div>
<div>It seems there is some risk to remove servicing label. In some case,=
</div>
<div>e.g., the packet with service label may enqueue to the highest prior=
ity</div>
<div>queue after service processing, while the packet without service lab=
el</div>
<div>will enqueue to lowest priority queue. Then it is possible the packe=
t&nbsp;</div>
<div>may go through a different internal data path before reaching the tr=
aced</div>
<div>&nbsp;tunnel points, because of the lack of the service label. What =
if this&nbsp;</div>
<div>packet in lowest prioirity queue is dropped=3F Then it is difficult =
to judge</div>
<div>whether the problem is happened on the traced tunnel points, or on&n=
bsp;</div>
<div>the path ahead of it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt; We probably will be removing this section and leave =
=22Service segment=22 for future study. We will take it back once there i=
s some colear consensus on how service segment will be handled.</div>
<div>=E2=80=9C</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Nagendra (for authors)</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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lf of Lizhong Jin &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:lizho.jin=40gmail.com=22>lizho.=
jin=40gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Date: </span>=46riday, September 25,=
 2015 at 10:19 AM<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>To: </span>=22<a href=3D=22mailto:dr=
aft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping=40tools.ietf.org=22>draft-kumarkini-mp=
ls-spring-lsp-ping=40tools.ietf.org</a>=22 &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:draft-=
kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping=40tools.ietf.org=22>draft-kumarkini-mpls-s=
pring-lsp-ping=40tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;,
 =22<a href=3D=22mailto:mpls-chairs=40tools.ietf.org=22>mpls-chairs=40too=
ls.ietf.org</a>=22 &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:mpls-chairs=40tools.ietf.org=22=
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mailto:curtis=40occnc.com=22>curtis=40occnc.com</a>&gt;, Loa Andersson &l=
t;<a href=3D=22mailto:loa=40pi.nu=22>loa=40pi.nu</a>&gt;,
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ral=40gmail.com</a>&gt;, =22<a href=3D=22mailto:mpls=40ietf.org=22>mpls=40=
ietf.org</a>=22
 &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:mpls=40ietf.org=22>mpls=40ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Subject: </span>=5Bmpls=5D =46wd: MP=
LS-RT review of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Sorry, forget to send to the authors and the list.
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=22>---------- =46orwarded message ---------=
-<br>
=46rom: <b class=3D=22gmail=5Fsendername=22>Lizhong Jin</b> <span dir=3D=22=
ltr=22>&lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:lizho.jin=40gmail.com=22 target=3D=22=5Fbl=
ank=22>lizho.jin=40gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
Date: =46ri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:17 PM<br>
Subject: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping<br>
To: Loa Andersson &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:loa=40pi.nu=22 target=3D=22=5Fb=
lank=22>loa=40pi.nu</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: Curtis Villamizar &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:curtis=40occnc.com=22 targe=
t=3D=22=5Fblank=22>curtis=40occnc.com</a>&gt;,
<a href=3D=22mailto:vishwas=40ionosnetworks.com=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22=
>vishwas=40ionosnetworks.com</a>, =22Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)=22 &lt;<a=
 href=3D=22mailto:pranjal.dutta=40alcatel-lucent.com=22 target=3D=22=5Fbl=
ank=22>pranjal.dutta=40alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Hi,
<div>Overall, this document is useful and technically sound, and is ready=
 to be considered for WG adoption. Besides comments from Curtis, two more=
 in below:</div>
<div>1. Section 7.4</div>
<div>
<div>If the Label-stack-depth is 0 and Target =46EC Sub-TLV at =46EC-stac=
k-</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; depth is TBD2 (IPv6 Prefix Node Segment ID),</d=
iv>
</div>
<div>Lizhong: typo=3F&nbsp;should be =22more than 0=22=3F</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. Section8, it says:</div>
<div>
<div>To avoid this</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;problem, the originator of the =22echo request=22 MUST =
NOT include the</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;service label in the label stack of an echo request abo=
ve the tunnel</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;label of the tunnel that is being currently traced.&nbs=
p; In other words<br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;the ingress must remove all service-labels above the la=
bel of the</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;tunnel being currently traced, but retain service label=
s below it</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;when sending the echo request.&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>It seems there is some risk to remove servicing label. In some case,=
</div>
<div>e.g., the packet with service label may enqueue to the highest prior=
ity</div>
<div>queue after service processing, while the packet without service lab=
el</div>
<div>will enqueue to lowest priority queue. Then it is possible the packe=
t&nbsp;</div>
<div>may go through a different internal data path before reaching the tr=
aced</div>
<div>&nbsp;tunnel points, because of the lack of the service label. What =
if this&nbsp;</div>
<div>packet in lowest prioirity queue is dropped=3F Then it is difficult =
to judge</div>
<div>whether the problem is happened on the traced tunnel points, or on&n=
bsp;</div>
<div>the path ahead of it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<span><font color=3D=22=23888888=22>
<div>Lizhong</div>
</font></span>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<div class=3D=22gmail=5Fextra=22><br>
<div class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=22>On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Loa Ande=
rsson <span dir=3D=22ltr=22>
&lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:loa=40pi.nu=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22>loa=40pi.n=
u</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=22 style=3D=22margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-s=
tyle:solid;padding-left:1ex=22>
Curtis, Vishwas, Pranjal, and Lizhong,<br>
<br>
You have be selected as MPLS-RT reviewers for draft-kumarkini-<br>
mpls-spring-lsp-ping.<br>
<br>
Note to authors: You have been CC'd on this email so that you can know<br=
>
that this review is going on. However, please do not review your own<br>
document.<br>
<br>
Reviews should comment on whether the document is coherent, is it<br>
useful (ie, is it likely to be actually useful in operational networks), =
and is the document technically sound=3F<br>
<br>
We are interested in knowing whether the document is ready to be<br>
considered for WG adoption (ie, it doesn't have to be perfect at this<br>=

point, but should be a good start).<br>
<br>
Reviews should be sent to the document authors, WG co-chairs and WG<br>
secretary, and CC'd to the MPLS WG email list. If necessary, comments<br>=

may be sent privately to only the WG chairs.<br>
<br>
If you have technical comments you should try to be explicit about what<b=
r>
needs to be resolved before adopting it as a working group document, and<=
br>
what can wait until the document is a working group document and the<br>
working group has the revision control.<br>
<br>
Are you able to review this draft by September 25, 2015=3F Please respond=
<br>
in a timely fashion.<br>
<br>
Thanks, Loa<br>
(as MPLS WG chair)<span><font color=3D=22=23888888=22><br>
<br>
<br>
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p; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; email: <a href=3D=22mailto:loa=40mail01.huawei.co=
m=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22>
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 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=3D=22mailto:loa=40pi.nu=22 ta=
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loa=40pi.nu</a><br>
Huawei Technologies (consultant)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;phone: <a href=3D=22t=
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Thanks Lizhong.

Regards,
Nagendra

From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of Lizhong Jin <lizho.jin@gmail.com<mailto:lizho.jin@gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 9:04 AM
To: Nagendra Kumar Nainar <naikumar@cisco.com<mailto:naikumar@cisco.com>>
Cc: "mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.org>" <mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.o=
rg>>, Vishwas Manral <vishwas.manral@gmail.com<mailto:vishwas.manral@gmail.=
com>>, Curtis Villamizar <curtis@occnc.com<mailto:curtis@occnc.com>>, "mpls=
-chairs@tools.ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>" <mpls-chairs@too=
ls.ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>>, "draft-kumarkini-mpls-spri=
ng-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tool=
s.ietf.org>" <draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org<mailto:dr=
aft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [mpls] Fwd: MPLS-RT review of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-=
ping

Hi Nagendra
Sorry for the late reply. I am fine with the changes, thank you.

Regards
Lizhong
=1B$B:_=1B(B2016=1B$BG/=1B(B02=1B$B7n=1B(B04=1B$BF|=1B(B 11:56=1B$B!$=1B(BN=
agendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)<mailto:naikumar@cisco.com> =1B$B<LF;=1B(B:
Hi Lizhong,

Thanks for the comments and apologies for the delayed response. Please see =
below:

"1. Section 7.4
If the Label-stack-depth is 0 and Target FEC Sub-TLV at FEC-stack-
      depth is TBD2 (IPv6 Prefix Node Segment ID),
Lizhong: typo? should be "more than 0"?

<Authors>Good Catch. We changed it.
</Authors>

2. Section8, it says:
To avoid this
   problem, the originator of the "echo request" MUST NOT include the
   service label in the label stack of an echo request above the tunnel
   label of the tunnel that is being currently traced.  In other words
   the ingress must remove all service-labels above the label of the
   tunnel being currently traced, but retain service labels below it
   when sending the echo request.
It seems there is some risk to remove servicing label. In some case,
e.g., the packet with service label may enqueue to the highest priority
queue after service processing, while the packet without service label
will enqueue to lowest priority queue. Then it is possible the packet
may go through a different internal data path before reaching the traced
 tunnel points, because of the lack of the service label. What if this
packet in lowest prioirity queue is dropped? Then it is difficult to judge
whether the problem is happened on the traced tunnel points, or on
the path ahead of it.

<Authors> We probably will be removing this section and leave "Service segm=
ent" for future study. We will take it back once there is some colear conse=
nsus on how service segment will be handled.
=1B$B!H=1B(B

Thanks,
Nagendra (for authors)


From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of Lizhong Jin <lizho.jin@gmail.com<mailto:lizho.jin@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, September 25, 2015 at 10:19 AM
To: "draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-kumar=
kini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org>" <draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp=
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.org>>, "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>" <mp=
ls-chairs@tools.ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>>, Curtis Villam=
izar <curtis@occnc.com<mailto:curtis@occnc.com>>, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu<=
mailto:loa@pi.nu>>, "Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)" <pranjal.dutta@alcatel-luc=
ent.com<mailto:pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com>>, Vishwas Manral <vishwas.=
manral@gmail.com<mailto:vishwas.manral@gmail.com>>, "mpls@ietf.org<mailto:m=
pls@ietf.org>" <mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.org>>
Subject: [mpls] Fwd: MPLS-RT review of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping

Sorry, forget to send to the authors and the list.


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From: Lizhong Jin <lizho.jin@gmail.com<mailto:lizho.jin@gmail.com>>
Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping
To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu<mailto:loa@pi.nu>>
Cc: Curtis Villamizar <curtis@occnc.com<mailto:curtis@occnc.com>>, vishwas@=
ionosnetworks.com<mailto:vishwas@ionosnetworks.com>, "Dutta, Pranjal K (Pra=
njal)" <pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com<mailto:pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucen=
t.com>>


Hi,
Overall, this document is useful and technically sound, and is ready to be =
considered for WG adoption. Besides comments from Curtis, two more in below=
:
1. Section 7.4
If the Label-stack-depth is 0 and Target FEC Sub-TLV at FEC-stack-
      depth is TBD2 (IPv6 Prefix Node Segment ID),
Lizhong: typo? should be "more than 0"?

2. Section8, it says:
To avoid this
   problem, the originator of the "echo request" MUST NOT include the
   service label in the label stack of an echo request above the tunnel
   label of the tunnel that is being currently traced.  In other words
   the ingress must remove all service-labels above the label of the
   tunnel being currently traced, but retain service labels below it
   when sending the echo request.
It seems there is some risk to remove servicing label. In some case,
e.g., the packet with service label may enqueue to the highest priority
queue after service processing, while the packet without service label
will enqueue to lowest priority queue. Then it is possible the packet
may go through a different internal data path before reaching the traced
 tunnel points, because of the lack of the service label. What if this
packet in lowest prioirity queue is dropped? Then it is difficult to judge
whether the problem is happened on the traced tunnel points, or on
the path ahead of it.

Regards
Lizhong


On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu<mailto:loa@pi.nu>>=
 wrote:
Curtis, Vishwas, Pranjal, and Lizhong,

You have be selected as MPLS-RT reviewers for draft-kumarkini-
mpls-spring-lsp-ping.

Note to authors: You have been CC'd on this email so that you can know
that this review is going on. However, please do not review your own
document.

Reviews should comment on whether the document is coherent, is it
useful (ie, is it likely to be actually useful in operational networks), an=
d is the document technically sound?

We are interested in knowing whether the document is ready to be
considered for WG adoption (ie, it doesn't have to be perfect at this
point, but should be a good start).

Reviews should be sent to the document authors, WG co-chairs and WG
secretary, and CC'd to the MPLS WG email list. If necessary, comments
may be sent privately to only the WG chairs.

If you have technical comments you should try to be explicit about what
needs to be resolved before adopting it as a working group document, and
what can wait until the document is a working group document and the
working group has the revision control.

Are you able to review this draft by September 25, 2015? Please respond
in a timely fashion.

Thanks, Loa
(as MPLS WG chair)



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a@mail01.huawei.com>
Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu<mailto:loa@pi.nu>
Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64<tel:%2B46%2073=
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t 9:04 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Nagendra Kumar Nainar &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:naikumar@cisco.com">naikumar@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ie=
tf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@i=
etf.org</a>&gt;, Vishwas Manral &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vishwas.manral@gmail.=
com">vishwas.manral@gmail.com</a>&gt;, Curtis Villamizar &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:curtis@occnc.com">curtis@occnc.com</a>&gt;,
 &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org">mpls-chairs@tools.ietf=
.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org">mpls-chair=
s@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-kumarkini-mpls-spri=
ng-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org">draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf=
.org</a>&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org"=
>draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [mpls] Fwd: MPLS-RT re=
view of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div id=3D"contentDescription" style=3D"line-height:1.5;text-align:justify;=
text-justify:inter-ideograph">
<div id=3D"contentDescription" style=3D"line-height:1.5;text-align:justify;=
text-justify:inter-ideograph">
<div>
<div style=3D"text-align: start;"><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"-webkit-s=
tandard" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26=
, 26, 0.301961); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255=
, 255, 255, 0);">Hi Nagendra</span></font></div>
<div style=3D"text-align: start;"><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"-webkit-s=
tandard" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26=
, 26, 0.301961); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255=
, 255, 255, 0);">Sorry for the late reply.
 I am fine with the changes, thank you.</span></font></div>
<div style=3D"text-align: start;"><br>
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"NETEASEMAILMASTERLOCALSIGNATURE">
<div id=3D"imail_signature">Regards <br>
Lizhong</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"borderFixWidth iMailDoNotReScale" style=3D"background-color:#=
f2f2f2;color:black;padding-top:6px;padding-bottom:6px;border-radius:3px;-mo=
z-border-radius:3px;-webkit-border-radius:3px;margin-top:45px;margin-bottom=
:20px;">
<div style=3D"font-size:14px;line-height:1.5;word-break:break-all;margin-le=
ft:10px;margin-right:10px">
=1B$B:_=1B(B2016=1B$BG/=1B(B02=1B$B7n=1B(B04=1B$BF|=1B(B 11:56=1B$B!$=1B(B<=
a style=3D"text-decoration:none;color:#2a97ff;" href=3D"mailto:naikumar@cis=
co.com">Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)</a> =1B$B<LF;=1B(B:</div>
</div>
<blockquote id=3D"ntes-iosmail-quote" style=3D"margin:0">
<div>Hi Lizhong,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the comments and apologies for the delayed response. Please=
 see below:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>&quot;1. Section 7.4</div>
<div>If the Label-stack-depth is 0 and Target FEC Sub-TLV at FEC-stack-</di=
v>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; depth is TBD2 (IPv6 Prefix Node Segment ID),</div=
>
<div>Lizhong: typo? should be &quot;more than 0&quot;?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt;Good Catch. We changed it.</div>
<div>&lt;/Authors&gt;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. Section8, it says:</div>
<div>To avoid this</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;problem, the originator of the &quot;echo request&quot; M=
UST NOT include the</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;service label in the label stack of an echo request above=
 the tunnel</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;label of the tunnel that is being currently traced. &nbsp=
;In other words</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;the ingress must remove all service-labels above the labe=
l of the</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;tunnel being currently traced, but retain service labels =
below it</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;when sending the echo request.&nbsp;</div>
<div>It seems there is some risk to remove servicing label. In some case,</=
div>
<div>e.g., the packet with service label may enqueue to the highest priorit=
y</div>
<div>queue after service processing, while the packet without service label=
</div>
<div>will enqueue to lowest priority queue. Then it is possible the packet&=
nbsp;</div>
<div>may go through a different internal data path before reaching the trac=
ed</div>
<div>&nbsp;tunnel points, because of the lack of the service label. What if=
 this&nbsp;</div>
<div>packet in lowest prioirity queue is dropped? Then it is difficult to j=
udge</div>
<div>whether the problem is happened on the traced tunnel points, or on&nbs=
p;</div>
<div>the path ahead of it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&lt;Authors&gt; We probably will be removing this section and leave &q=
uot;Service segment&quot; for future study. We will take it back once there=
 is some colear consensus on how service segment will be handled.</div>
<div>=1B$B!H=1B(B</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Nagendra (for authors)</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:b=
lack; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM:=
 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid;=
 BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>mpls &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mp=
ls-bounces@ietf.org">mpls-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Lizhong Jin=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lizho.jin@gmail.com">lizho.jin@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, September 25, 2015 at=
 10:19 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-k=
umarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org">draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-l=
sp-ping@tools.ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-kumarkini-mpls=
-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org">draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools=
.ietf.org</a>&gt;,
 &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org">mpls-chairs@tools.ietf=
.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org">mpls-chair=
s@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;, Curtis Villamizar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:curtis@oc=
cnc.com">curtis@occnc.com</a>&gt;, Loa Andersson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@=
pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;,
 &quot;Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pranjal.dutta=
@alcatel-lucent.com">pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt;, Vishwas Manr=
al &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vishwas.manral@gmail.com">vishwas.manral@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[mpls] Fwd: MPLS-RT review=
 of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry, forget to send to the authors and the list.
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Lizhong Jin</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:lizho.jin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lizho.jin@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;</span><br>
Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:17 PM<br>
Subject: Re: MPLS-RT review of draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping<br>
To: Loa Andersson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">loa@pi=
.nu</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: Curtis Villamizar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:curtis@occnc.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">curtis@occnc.com</a>&gt;,
<a href=3D"mailto:vishwas@ionosnetworks.com" target=3D"_blank">vishwas@iono=
snetworks.com</a>, &quot;Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:pranjal.dutta@alcatel-lucent.com" target=3D"_blank">pranjal.dutta@alca=
tel-lucent.com</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,
<div>Overall, this document is useful and technically sound, and is ready t=
o be considered for WG adoption. Besides comments from Curtis, two more in =
below:</div>
<div>1. Section 7.4</div>
<div>
<div>If the Label-stack-depth is 0 and Target FEC Sub-TLV at FEC-stack-</di=
v>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; depth is TBD2 (IPv6 Prefix Node Segment ID),</div=
>
</div>
<div>Lizhong: typo?&nbsp;should be &quot;more than 0&quot;?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. Section8, it says:</div>
<div>
<div>To avoid this</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;problem, the originator of the &quot;echo request&quot; M=
UST NOT include the</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;service label in the label stack of an echo request above=
 the tunnel</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;label of the tunnel that is being currently traced.&nbsp;=
 In other words<br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;the ingress must remove all service-labels above the labe=
l of the</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;tunnel being currently traced, but retain service labels =
below it</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;when sending the echo request.&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>It seems there is some risk to remove servicing label. In some case,</=
div>
<div>e.g., the packet with service label may enqueue to the highest priorit=
y</div>
<div>queue after service processing, while the packet without service label=
</div>
<div>will enqueue to lowest priority queue. Then it is possible the packet&=
nbsp;</div>
<div>may go through a different internal data path before reaching the trac=
ed</div>
<div>&nbsp;tunnel points, because of the lack of the service label. What if=
 this&nbsp;</div>
<div>packet in lowest prioirity queue is dropped? Then it is difficult to j=
udge</div>
<div>whether the problem is happened on the traced tunnel points, or on&nbs=
p;</div>
<div>the path ahead of it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<span><font color=3D"#888888">
<div>Lizhong</div>
</font></span>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Loa Andersson <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
Curtis, Vishwas, Pranjal, and Lizhong,<br>
<br>
You have be selected as MPLS-RT reviewers for draft-kumarkini-<br>
mpls-spring-lsp-ping.<br>
<br>
Note to authors: You have been CC'd on this email so that you can know<br>
that this review is going on. However, please do not review your own<br>
document.<br>
<br>
Reviews should comment on whether the document is coherent, is it<br>
useful (ie, is it likely to be actually useful in operational networks), an=
d is the document technically sound?<br>
<br>
We are interested in knowing whether the document is ready to be<br>
considered for WG adoption (ie, it doesn't have to be perfect at this<br>
point, but should be a good start).<br>
<br>
Reviews should be sent to the document authors, WG co-chairs and WG<br>
secretary, and CC'd to the MPLS WG email list. If necessary, comments<br>
may be sent privately to only the WG chairs.<br>
<br>
If you have technical comments you should try to be explicit about what<br>
needs to be resolved before adopting it as a working group document, and<br=
>
what can wait until the document is a working group document and the<br>
working group has the revision control.<br>
<br>
Are you able to review this draft by September 25, 2015? Please respond<br>
in a timely fashion.<br>
<br>
Thanks, Loa<br>
(as MPLS WG chair)<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
<br>
<br>
Loa Andersson&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; email: <a href=3D"mailto:loa@mail01.huawei.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">
loa@mail01.huawei.com</a><br>
Senior MPLS Expert&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_b=
lank">
loa@pi.nu</a><br>
Huawei Technologies (consultant)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;phone: <a href=3D"tel:%=
2B46%20739%2081%2021%2064" value=3D"&#43;46739812164" target=3D"_blank">
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>While I put "idr" in the name of the draft, it's not completely
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Deborah and I had a quick chat about this point and we think that (if it
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mpls-chairs: If this document progresses, please make sure that both idr
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Scott,

=E2=80=9Cjoin=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9Cjoint=E2=80=9D. Should =E2=80=9Ca=
 step=E2=80=9D be =E2=80=9Ca milestone=E2=80=9D?

Cheers,
Andy


On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Scott Mansfield <
scott.mansfield@ericsson.com> wrote:

> I have posted this reply...  https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1455/
> Please review before I send it out to the ITU-T.
>
> Regards,
> -scott.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 7:25 AM
> To: Scott Mansfield; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>
> Scott,
>
> Since I wrote the words I don't think I need to hum, but just in case ...
> hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>
> /Loa
>
> On 2016-02-06 06:29, Scott Mansfield wrote:
> > I'm ok with this.  Any other words?  Please hum if you think this is ok
> and I will draft it up and put it into the tool.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -scott.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 10:33 PM
> > To: Scott Mansfield; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > So maybe just a short response.
> >
> > "Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the MPLS-TP
> Recommendations, this marks a step in the joint MPLS-TP project.
> >
> > IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7 working groups and
> independent document. IETF still have 11 active Internet Drafts.
> >
> > We are looking forward to your support completing the MPLS-TP project."
> >
> > I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send it timely.
> >
> > Working Group,
> >
> > Please comment on this?
> >
> > /Loa
> >
> > On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:
> >> I'm willing to help, but I don=E2=80=99t see anything here worth comme=
nting on,
> unless there is a burning desire to make comments now.  None of the
> documents liaised have changed dramatically since early 2014.
> >>
> >> -scott.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:58 AM
> >> To: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Scott Mansfield
> >> Subject: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
> >>
> >> Working Group,
> >>
> >> We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respond
> >> to https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
> >> I've asked Scott to help us coordinate this.
> >> Any comments are welcome.
> >>
> >> /Loa
> >> mpls wg co-chair
> >>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Scott,<div><br></div><div>=E2=80=9Cjoin=E2=80=9D should be=
 =E2=80=9Cjoint=E2=80=9D. Should =E2=80=9Ca step=E2=80=9D be =E2=80=9Ca mil=
estone=E2=80=9D?</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Andy</div><div>=
<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Scott Mansfield <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:scott.mansfield@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">scott.mansfiel=
d@ericsson.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I ha=
ve posted this reply...=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liais=
on/1455/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org=
/liaison/1455/</a>=C2=A0 Please review before I send it out to the ITU-T.<b=
r>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<span class=3D"im HOEnZb">-scott.<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Loa Andersson [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</a>]<br>
</span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">Sent: Saturday, February 06,=
 2016 7:25 AM<br>
To: Scott Mansfield; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>; <a=
 href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/" rel=3D"=
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/</a=
><br>
<br>
Scott,<br>
<br>
Since I wrote the words I don&#39;t think I need to hum, but just in case .=
.. hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm<br>
<br>
/Loa<br>
<br>
On 2016-02-06 06:29, Scott Mansfield wrote:<br>
&gt; I&#39;m ok with this.=C2=A0 Any other words?=C2=A0 Please hum if you t=
hink this is ok and I will draft it up and put it into the tool.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; -scott.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Loa Andersson [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</a>=
]<br>
&gt; Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 10:33 PM<br>
&gt; To: Scott Mansfield; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a=
>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/" re=
l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/143=
5/</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Scott,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So maybe just a short response.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the MPLS-TP Rec=
ommendations, this marks a step in the joint MPLS-TP project.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7 working groups and i=
ndependent document. IETF still have 11 active Internet Drafts.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; We are looking forward to your support completing the MPLS-TP project.=
&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send it timely.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Working Group,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Please comment on this?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; /Loa<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; I&#39;m willing to help, but I don=E2=80=99t see anything here wor=
th commenting on, unless there is a burning desire to make comments now.=C2=
=A0 None of the documents liaised have changed dramatically since early 201=
4.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; -scott.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt;&gt; From: Loa Andersson [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu=
</a>]<br>
&gt;&gt; Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:58 AM<br>
&gt;&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D=
"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a>; Scott Mansfield<br>
&gt;&gt; Subject: <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/" re=
l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/143=
5/</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Working Group,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respo=
nd<br>
&gt;&gt; to <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/</a>=
<br>
&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve asked Scott to help us coordinate this.<br>
&gt;&gt; Any comments are welcome.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; /Loa<br>
&gt;&gt; mpls wg co-chair<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
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I've reposted the draft as draft-rosen-mpls-rfc3107bis-00.

On 2/11/2016 10:18 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote:
> On 1/13/16, 1:11 PM, "mpls on behalf of Eric C Rosen"
> <mpls-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of erosen@juniper.net> wrote:
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> Hi!
>
>> While I put "idr" in the name of the draft, it's not completely
>> obvious which WG should own this draft (assuming it progresses)
> Deborah and I had a quick chat about this point and we think that (if it
> progresses) this document should belong in mpls -- if for no other reason
> just because RFC3107 was produced there.
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> mpls-chairs: If this document progresses, please make sure that both idr
> and bess are cc'd on adoption and WGCL.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Alvaro.
>


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The following errata report has been verified for RFC3107,
"Carrying Label Information in BGP-4". 

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Status: Verified
Type: Technical

Reported by: Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com>
Date Reported: 2015-10-13
Verified by: Deborah Brungard (IESG)

Section: 3

Original Text
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   The label(s) specified for a particular route (and associated with
   its address prefix) must be assigned by the LSR which is identified
   by the value of the Next Hop attribute of the route.

   When a BGP speaker redistributes a route, the label(s) assigned to
   that route must not be changed (except by omission), unless the
   speaker changes the value of the Next Hop attribute of the route.

Corrected Text
--------------
   The label(s) specified for a particular route (and associated with
   its address prefix) must be assigned by the LSR which is identified
   by the value of the Network Address of Next Hop field of
   MP_REACH_NLRI attribute of the route.

   When a BGP speaker redistributes a route, the label(s) assigned to
   that route must not be changed (except by omission), unless the
   speaker changes the value of the Network Address of Next Hop field of
   MP_REACH_NLRI attribute of the route.

Notes
-----
Next Hop address for labeled routes is conveyed within MP_REACH_NLRI attribute.

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RFC3107 (draft-ietf-mpls-bgp4-mpls-04)
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Title               : Carrying Label Information in BGP-4
Publication Date    : May 2001
Author(s)           : Y. Rekhter, E. Rosen
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Multiprotocol Label Switching
Area                : Routing
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


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The following errata report has been rejected for RFC3107,
"Carrying Label Information in BGP-4".

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Status: Rejected
Type: Technical

Reported by: Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com>
Date Reported: 2015-10-13
Rejected by: Deborah Brungard (IESG)

Section: 3

Original Text
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   A BGP speaker can withdraw a previously advertised route (as well as
   the binding between this route and a label) by either (a) advertising
   a new route (and a label) with the same NLRI as the previously
   advertised route, or (b) listing the NLRI of the previously
   advertised route in the Withdrawn Routes field of an Update message.
   The label information carried (as part of NLRI) in the Withdrawn
   Routes field should be set to 0x800000.  (Of course, terminating the
   BGP session also withdraws all the previously advertised routes.)


Corrected Text
--------------
   A BGP speaker can withdraw a previously advertised route (as well as
   the binding between this route and a label) by either (a) advertising
   a new route (and a label) with the same NLRI as the previously
   advertised route, or (b) listing the NLRI of the previously
   advertised route in the Withdrawn Routes field of
   an MR_UNREACH_NLRI attribute of an Update message.
   The label information carried (as part of NLRI) in the Withdrawn
   Routes field should be set to 0x000001.  (Of course, terminating the
   BGP session also withdraws all the previously advertised routes.)


Notes
-----
1. Labeled routes are withdrawn by virtue of MR_UNREACH_NLRI attribute.
2. Label value should be set to 0x00000 with BoS=1.  Value 0x800000 was carried from draft, where BoS was high-order bit.
 --VERIFIER NOTES-- 
  Rejected as potential to cause interoperability issues.

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RFC3107 (draft-ietf-mpls-bgp4-mpls-04)
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Title               : Carrying Label Information in BGP-4
Publication Date    : May 2001
Author(s)           : Y. Rekhter, E. Rosen
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Multiprotocol Label Switching
Area                : Routing
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


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The following errata report has been rejected for RFC3107,
"Carrying Label Information in BGP-4".

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Status: Rejected
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Reported by: Alexander Okonnikov <alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com>
Date Reported: 2015-10-13
Rejected by: Deborah Brungard (IESG)

Section: 5

Original Text
-------------
   A BGP speaker that is capable of handling multiple routes to a
   destination (as described above) should use the Capabilities Optional
   Parameter, as defined in [BGP-CAP], to inform its peers about this
   capability.  The value of this capability is 4.

Corrected Text
--------------
   A BGP speaker that is capable of handling multiple routes to a
   destination (as described above) should use the Capabilities Optional
   Parameter, as defined in [BGP-CAP], to inform its peers about this
   capability.  This capability is advertised using the Capability Code
   4 and Capability Length 0.

Notes
-----
To remove confusion what word value means - Capability Value or value of Capability Code.
Also, format of multiple routes capability is not described, so length = 0 is assumed.
 --VERIFIER NOTES-- 
   

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RFC3107 (draft-ietf-mpls-bgp4-mpls-04)
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Title               : Carrying Label Information in BGP-4
Publication Date    : May 2001
Author(s)           : Y. Rekhter, E. Rosen
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Multiprotocol Label Switching
Area                : Routing
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


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The following errata report has been held for document update 
for RFC3107, "Carrying Label Information in BGP-4". 

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Status: Held for Document Update
Type: Technical

Reported by: David Lamparter <equinox@opensourcerouting.org>
Date Reported: 2016-01-06
Held by: Deborah Brungard (IESG)

Section: GLOBAL

Original Text
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[... section 3: ...]
   A BGP speaker can withdraw a previously advertised route (as well as
   the binding between this route and a label) by either (a) advertising
   a new route (and a label) with the same NLRI as the previously
   advertised route, or (b) listing the NLRI of the previously
   advertised route in the Withdrawn Routes field of an Update message.
   The label information carried (as part of NLRI) in the Withdrawn
   Routes field should be set to 0x800000.  (Of course, terminating the
   BGP session also withdraws all the previously advertised routes.)

4. Advertising Multiple Routes to a Destination

   A BGP speaker may maintain (and advertise to its peers) more than one
   route to a given destination, as long as each such route has its own
   label(s).

   The encoding described above allows a single BGP Update message to
   carry multiple routes, each with its own label(s).

   In the case where a BGP speaker advertises multiple routes to a
   destination, if a route is withdrawn, and a label(s) is specified at
   the time of withdrawal, only the corresponding route with the
   corresponding label is withdrawn.  If a route is withdrawn, and no
   label is specified at the time of withdrawal, then only the
   corresponding unlabeled route is withdrawn; the labeled routes are
   left in place.
[...]

Corrected Text
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-- ALTERNATE 1: require label value --

   A BGP speaker can withdraw a previously advertised route by either
   (a) advertising a new route with the same NLRI (including label) as
   the previously advertised route, or (b) listing the NLRI of the
   previously advertised route in the Withdrawn Routes field of an
   Update message.  The label information carried (as part of NLRI) in
   the Withdrawn Routes field MUST be set to the value previously
   announced.  (Of course, terminating the BGP session also withdraws
   all the previously advertised routes.)

   The binding between route and label cannot be updated to change the
   label without withdrawing the old label and sending an update with
   the new label.

[keep section 4 unchanged]

-- ALTERNATE 2: drop multiple label support --

   A BGP speaker can withdraw a previously advertised route (as well as
   the binding between this route and a label) by either (a) advertising
   a new route (and a label) with the same prefix as the previously
   advertised route, or (b) listing the NLRI of the previously
   advertised route in the Withdrawn Routes field of an Update message.
   The label information carried (as part of NLRI) in the Withdrawn
   Routes field should be set to 0x800000.  (Of course, terminating the
   BGP session also withdraws all the previously advertised routes.)

[remove section 4, remove capability "4" in section 5]

-- ALTERNATE 3: clarify implications of capability "4" --

[optionally, change section 3:]
   The label information carried (as part of NLRI) in the Withdrawn
   Routes field SHOULD be set to the value previously announced.

[insert section 5.1:]
5.1. Implications of Multiple Routes Capability

   Implementing the "multiple routes" capability introduced above
   slightly changes the processing of update and withdraw messages to
   requiring an exact match on the label, i.e. including it in NLRI
   comparisons.

   To ensure interoperability, an implementation that has this
   capability SHOULD NOT send updates with different label values on a
   session whose peer does not advertise the capability.  The peer would
   in this case only hold the latest update, possibly introducing label
   oscillations.  Further, the implementation MUST process incoming
   updates and withdraws on such sessions as if their labels were
   wildcards, removing any previous routes with the same prefix.  It
   MUST NOT hold the same prefix with any but the last seen label value
   on these sessions.


Notes
-----
This issue was previously discussed in
https://osdir.com/ml/ietf.idr/2004-06/msg00010.html
https://osdir.com/ml/ietf.idr/2004-06/msg00018.html

Sections 3 and 4 are inherently conflicting. The conflict is:

Section 3 states a withdraw "should" be sent with a null label/BoS=1. This means it's not possible to withdraw a specific labeled route, instead all routes with the given prefix would need to be withdrawn. However, section 4 specifies exact-match behavior for processing updates and withdraws.

Also, the Section 3 text is semantically/editorially wrong in itself, saying (shortened) "withdraw [...] binding [... by] new route (and a label) with the same NLRI".  However, the label is part of the NLRI; an update with the same NLRI could thus not withdraw the binding, only possibly cause it to not be selected as best path anymore by updating attributes.

I have not checked what other implementations do; Quagga (which only implements this as route reflector):
- does not implement SAFI 4, but applies the behavior on SAFI 128 (VPN)
- does not advertise capability 4
- excludes the label value from all comparisons
- will only keep the last label value received
- will set the label on withdraws to all zeroes (ignoring the recommended value)

Note that, as with Quagga, this also affects BGP-VPN implementations since these essentially inherit the behavior. Also note that the "Multiple Routes Capability" is global over all AFI/SAFI pairs.


P.S.: Out of curiosity / for IDR mailing list: for anyone implementing 3107 or 4364: does your implementation include/advertise the "multiple routes" capability?

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RFC3107 (draft-ietf-mpls-bgp4-mpls-04)
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Title               : Carrying Label Information in BGP-4
Publication Date    : May 2001
Author(s)           : Y. Rekhter, E. Rosen
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Multiprotocol Label Switching
Area                : Routing
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


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Hi Lou/Loa and WG,

The co-authors of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te/draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp and dra=
ft-saad-mpls-static-yang have been discussing a similar topic in the design=
 meetings and would like to add their thoughts/input on this discussion.

1. On the reuse of generic models (e.g. static LSPs or TE tunnel/LSPs model=
s) for multiple
   technologies. To accomplish this:

  *   there is a need for abstracted/generic model that is independent of a=
ny one technology
  *
  *   the generic/abstracted model needs to be attachable/mountable under p=
ossibly multiple target nodes in the model (tree) =97 possibly representing=
 the different technologies that the model will support.
  *   For example, the MPLS static or TE LSPs models can show up under mpls=
 or otn as:
  ../mpls/te/lips

              ../mpls/static-lsps
       and
              ../otn/te/lips
              ../otn/static-lsps

  *   augment the abstract/generic model with additional specific technolog=
y attributes

Interestingly, there are currently couple of proposals trying to solve the =
ability to mount a generic model at multiple target nodes in the tree by ex=
tending YANG for "mount=94 capability, refer to:
- draft-bjorklund-netmod-structural-mount-00
- draft-clemm-netmod-mount-00

2. On the decoupling of the generic model into device and device independen=
t data:

  *   there's a need to reuse the generic model outside of the device (for =
example, on a TE controller). The model in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te allows s=
etting per device interface TE attributes.

  *   The team is considering splitting this such that the device dependent=
 data module augments the device independent data module

3. Current status of models/drafts:

  *   draft-ietf-teas-yang-te is proposing a generic/abstract model for TE =
tunnels/LSPs that is currently hanging from the top as: /te/tunnels or /te/=
lsps. We think this is suitable to remain in preparation to adding support =
for di mpls/etc. mounts for it once YANG =93mount" capability is finalized.
  *   draft-saad-mpls-static-yang is currently proposing an MPLS specific m=
odel for static LSPs that is hanging below mpls base target node: ../mpls/s=
tatic-lsps.
     *   The team is looking into:
     *   abstracting the static-lsps model so it's technology agnostic. Exp=
ect the generic static-lsps model to hang off the top of the tree as (1)
     *   reusing the generic static-lsps model for mpls possibly using YANG=
 "mount" capability
     *   adding the MPLS specific properties in the mpls static-lsps model.
  *   draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp is contains two data pieces:
     *   RSVP-TE protocol specific data (applicable to all sessions/lsps)pe=
r TE LSP augmentation for RSVP-TE data
     *
     *   per TE LSP augmentation for RSVP-TE dat
     *   the RSVP protocol specific data reside under the =93routing-instan=
ce=94.  This allows tuning RSVP protocol properties on per routing instance

Regards,
Tarek (on behalf of co-authors)

On 2016-02-05, 7:34 AM, "mpls on behalf of Loa Andersson" <mpls-bounces@iet=
f.org<mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of loa@pi.nu<mailto:loa@pi.nu=
>> wrote:

All,

We have had discussion among the MPLS, TEAS and CCAMP working group
chairs - but as individual contributors, with chair half off. We agree
that this discussion should be taken to the working group(s).

The YANG models for MPLS and GMPLS are quite rapidly taking shape. MPLS
and GMPLS technologies have traditionally been very close, but their
development has been a bit disjoint. For the YANG models we would like
to minimize duplication of models/work and think the structure should
have a common the top,  with specific technologies augmented below.

The structure in general as well as the YANG model at the common top
needs to be the generic and aligned across the output of at least
CCAMP, MPLS and TEAS working groups. There has been good work
progressing on TE specifics, e.g., see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te, but
other areas remain. On the LDP side of the house draft-raza-mpls-
ldp-mldp-yang is rapidly progressing towards working group adoption.

The models defined in draft-saad-mpls-static-yang could serve as the
start on filling some of the remaining gaps; covering core xMPLS
definitions and static LSPs.  There are a number of ways to make the
structure intuitive and generic, and serve as a foundation for
technology specific models.  -- This effort can be viewed as the same
type of work that was done for TE, see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te.

We think it would be a good idea  if the authors and the  WG considers
how to structure xMPLS definitions and static LSPs models to best
foster common use across the different related models being worked on
across  different WGs.

We are sending this mail in hopes of getting this discussion started.

Thank you,
Lou and Loa
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by extending YANG for &quot;mount=94 capability, refer to:</div>
<div>- draft-bjorklund-netmod-structural-mount-00</div>
<div>- draft-clemm-netmod-mount-00</div>
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-break: after-white-space;">
<ul style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-si=
ze: 14px;">
<li>The team is considering splitting this such that the device dependent d=
ata module augments the device independent data module</li></ul>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 14px;">
3. Current status of models/drafts:</div>
<ul>
<li style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-si=
ze: 14px;">
draft-ietf-teas-yang-te is proposing a generic/abstract model for TE tunnel=
s/LSPs that is currently hanging from the top as: /te/tunnels or /te/lsps. =
We think this is suitable to remain in preparation to adding support for di=
 mpls/etc. mounts for it once YANG
 =93mount&quot; capability is finalized.</li><li style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
draft-saad-mpls-static-yang is currently proposing an MPLS specific model f=
or static LSPs that is hanging below mpls base target node: ../mpls/static-=
lsps.
<ul>
<li>The team is looking into:</li></ul>
<ul>
<li>abstracting the static-lsps model so it's technology agnostic. Expect t=
he generic static-lsps model to hang off the top of the tree as (1)</li></u=
l>
<ul>
<li>reusing the generic static-lsps model for mpls possibly using YANG &quo=
t;mount&quot; capability</li></ul>
<ul>
<li>adding the MPLS specific properties in the mpls static-lsps model.</li>=
</ul>
</li><li><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif">draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp is con=
tains two data pieces:</font>
<ul>
<li style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-si=
ze: 14px;">
RSVP-TE protocol specific data (applicable to all sessions/lsps)per TE LSP =
augmentation for RSVP-TE data</li><li></li><li><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-s=
erif">per TE LSP augmentation for RSVP-TE dat</font></li><li>the RSVP proto=
col specific data reside under the =93routing-instance=94. &nbsp;This allow=
s tuning RSVP protocol properties on per routing instance</li></ul>
</li></ul>
</div>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 14px;">
Regards,</div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 14px;">
Tarek (on behalf of co-authors)</div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 14px;">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 14px;">
On 2016-02-05, 7:34 AM, &quot;mpls on behalf of Loa Andersson&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org">mpls-bounces@ietf.org</a> on behalf o=
f
<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 14px;">
<br>
</div>
<blockquote id=3D"MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style=3D"color: rgb(0=
, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; border-left-col=
or: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-left-width: 5px; border-left-style: solid; p=
adding: 0px 0px 0px 5px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 5px;">
<div>All,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We have had discussion among the MPLS, TEAS and CCAMP working group</d=
iv>
<div>chairs - but as individual contributors, with chair half off. We agree=
</div>
<div>that this discussion should be taken to the working group(s).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The YANG models for MPLS and GMPLS are quite rapidly taking shape. MPL=
S</div>
<div>and GMPLS technologies have traditionally been very close, but their</=
div>
<div>development has been a bit disjoint. For the YANG models we would like=
</div>
<div>to minimize duplication of models/work and think the structure should<=
/div>
<div>have a common the top,&nbsp;&nbsp;with specific technologies augmented=
 below.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The structure in general as well as the YANG model at the common top</=
div>
<div>needs to be the generic and aligned across the output of at least</div=
>
<div>CCAMP, MPLS and TEAS working groups. There has been good work </div>
<div>progressing on TE specifics, e.g., see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te, but</d=
iv>
<div>other areas remain. On the LDP side of the house draft-raza-mpls-</div=
>
<div>ldp-mldp-yang is rapidly progressing towards working group adoption.</=
div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The models defined in draft-saad-mpls-static-yang could serve as the</=
div>
<div>start on filling some of the remaining gaps; covering core xMPLS</div>
<div>definitions and static LSPs.&nbsp;&nbsp;There are a number of ways to =
make the</div>
<div>structure intuitive and generic, and serve as a foundation for</div>
<div>technology specific models.&nbsp;&nbsp;-- This effort can be viewed as=
 the same</div>
<div>type of work that was done for TE, see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We think it would be a good idea&nbsp;&nbsp;if the authors and the&nbs=
p;&nbsp;WG considers</div>
<div>how to structure xMPLS definitions and static LSPs models to best</div=
>
<div>foster common use across the different related models being worked on =
</div>
<div>across&nbsp;&nbsp;different WGs.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We are sending this mail in hopes of getting this discussion started.<=
/div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Lou and Loa</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Loa Andersson&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;email: <a href=3D"mailto:loa@mail01.huawei.com">
loa@mail01.huawei.com</a></div>
<div>Senior MPLS Expert&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</a></di=
v>
<div>Huawei Technologies (consultant)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; phone: &#43;4=
6 739 81 21 64</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>_______________________________________________</div>
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<div><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls">https://www.iet=
f.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls</a></div>
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Folks,

I agree s/join/joint; but is not clear if we want to change "step"
to "milestone", depends on how formal we are. A milestone is something
we setup and tick off when we reached. A step (in my understanding) is
a bit less formal, a thing that we don't talk about beforehand, but that
could be recognized when we see the step taken .

Not a hard preference, but I'd stay with "step".

/Loa

On 2016-02-12 05:33, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
> Scott,
>
> “join” should be “joint”. Should “a step” be “a milestone”?
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Scott Mansfield
> <scott.mansfield@ericsson.com <mailto:scott.mansfield@ericsson.com>> wrote:
>
>     I have posted this reply...
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1455/  Please review before I
>     send it out to the ITU-T.
>
>     Regards,
>     -scott.
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu <mailto:loa@pi.nu>]
>     Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 7:25 AM
>     To: Scott Mansfield; mpls@ietf.org <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>;
>     mpls-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org>
>     Subject: Re: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>
>     Scott,
>
>     Since I wrote the words I don't think I need to hum, but just in
>     case ... hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>
>     /Loa
>
>     On 2016-02-06 06:29, Scott Mansfield wrote:
>      > I'm ok with this.  Any other words?  Please hum if you think this
>     is ok and I will draft it up and put it into the tool.
>      >
>      > Thanks,
>      > -scott.
>      >
>      > -----Original Message-----
>      > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu <mailto:loa@pi.nu>]
>      > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 10:33 PM
>      > To: Scott Mansfield; mpls@ietf.org <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>;
>     mpls-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org>
>      > Subject: Re: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>      >
>      > Scott,
>      >
>      > So maybe just a short response.
>      >
>      > "Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the MPLS-TP
>     Recommendations, this marks a step in the joint MPLS-TP project.
>      >
>      > IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7 working groups
>     and independent document. IETF still have 11 active Internet Drafts.
>      >
>      > We are looking forward to your support completing the MPLS-TP
>     project."
>      >
>      > I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send it timely.
>      >
>      > Working Group,
>      >
>      > Please comment on this?
>      >
>      > /Loa
>      >
>      > On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:
>      >> I'm willing to help, but I don’t see anything here worth
>     commenting on, unless there is a burning desire to make comments
>     now.  None of the documents liaised have changed dramatically since
>     early 2014.
>      >>
>      >> -scott.
>      >>
>      >> -----Original Message-----
>      >> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu <mailto:loa@pi.nu>]
>      >> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:58 AM
>      >> To: mpls@ietf.org <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
>     <mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org>; Scott Mansfield
>      >> Subject: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>      >>
>      >> Working Group,
>      >>
>      >> We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respond
>      >> to https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>      >> I've asked Scott to help us coordinate this.
>      >> Any comments are welcome.
>      >>
>      >> /Loa
>      >> mpls wg co-chair
>      >>
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Some minor comments :

- s/Thanks / Thank you

- probably should add a 2nd sentence that says something like "We have no 
document specific comments to provide at this time."

- Is it worth providing a list of RFCs and wg IDs, perhaps in an 
attachment?  And add " We would appreciate any comments you may have on the 
active Working Group  documents."

Lou


On February 11, 2016 4:14:36 PM Scott Mansfield 
<scott.mansfield@ericsson.com> wrote:

> I have posted this reply...  https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1455/  
> Please review before I send it out to the ITU-T.
>
> Regards,
> -scott.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 7:25 AM
> To: Scott Mansfield; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>
> Scott,
>
> Since I wrote the words I don't think I need to hum, but just in case ... 
> hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>
> /Loa
>
> On 2016-02-06 06:29, Scott Mansfield wrote:
>> I'm ok with this.  Any other words?  Please hum if you think this is ok and 
>> I will draft it up and put it into the tool.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -scott.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 10:33 PM
>> To: Scott Mansfield; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> So maybe just a short response.
>>
>> "Thanks for your liaison on the final approval of the MPLS-TP 
>> Recommendations, this marks a step in the joint MPLS-TP project.
>>
>> IETF have to date published 45 MPLS-TP RFC from 7 working groups and 
>> independent document. IETF still have 11 active Internet Drafts.
>>
>> We are looking forward to your support completing the MPLS-TP project."
>>
>> I think you can correct grammar and spelling and send it timely.
>>
>> Working Group,
>>
>> Please comment on this?
>>
>> /Loa
>>
>> On 2016-02-04 21:13, Scott Mansfield wrote:
>>> I'm willing to help, but I don’t see anything here worth commenting on, 
>>> unless there is a burning desire to make comments now.  None of the 
>>> documents liaised have changed dramatically since early 2014.
>>>
>>> -scott.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 5:58 AM
>>> To: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Scott Mansfield
>>> Subject: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>>>
>>> Working Group,
>>>
>>> We have a liaison from SG15 that we need to decide on how to respond
>>> to https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1435/
>>> I've asked Scott to help us coordinate this.
>>> Any comments are welcome.
>>>
>>> /Loa
>>> mpls wg co-chair
>>>
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From: "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com>
To: Jeff Tantsura <jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [mpls] discussion on a common top for yang models related to	MPLS
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I agree, Jeff and Phil. Alignment is key.=20

Will need to do the due diligence to find other discrepancies.=20

Cheers,
Rajiv Asati
Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Services


> On Feb 9, 2016, at 7:31 PM, Jeff Tantsura <jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com> wr=
ote:
>=20
> I was going to bring exactly same point.
>=20
> Over the last 6 months, in protocol/ services related modeling work we ha=
ve put lot of effort trying to align with OpenConfig.
> Keeping this alignment with base MPLS model would be rather logical step.
>=20
> Regards,
> Jeff
>=20
>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Phil Bedard <bedard.phil@gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> There is a consolidated MPLS model introduced by OpenConfig, the 02 vers=
ion publisehd in October of last year. =20
>>=20
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model-02
>>=20
>> It has a base model which then has three different sub-models defined in=
 the hierarchy covering types of LSPs: static, IGP-congruent/unconstrained =
(routing-dependent), and TE/constrained. =20
>>=20
>> Thanks,=20
>>=20
>> Phil=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <=
rajiva@cisco.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 10:43
>> To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>, "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [mpls] discussion on a common top for yang models related t=
o MPLS
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> My preference wasn=92t quite clear in the previous email, so let me sta=
te it explicitly - (1), IMO, MPLS base should reside off the root, and for =
(2) it might be worth dividing the subsequent models as either non-routing =
or routing, given that MPLS control plane e.g. LDP would be routing depende=
nt, whereas static LSP _could_ not be.=20
>>>=20
>>> For (2), a hierarchy something like his works out (where non-routing is=
 nothing but MPLS base)
>>>=20
>>>   MPLS Base
>>>       <non-routing>
>>>           Static LSP
>>>       <routing>
>>>           Static LSP
>>>           Dynamic LSP - LDP, mLDP, RSVP-TE,=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> However, it creates an interesting challenge for aligning the yang mode=
ls and while keeping the hierarchy simple.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Is it worth having a focused team figuring out MPLS base staying off th=
e root, whereas routing-dependent MPLS control plane protocols e.g. LDP sta=
ying off routing?
>>>=20
>>> --=20
>>> Cheers,
>>> Rajiv Asati
>>> Distinguished Engineer, Cisco
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rajiv Asati <rajiva@cisco.com>
>>> Date: Friday, February 5, 2016 at 8:58 AM
>>> To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>, "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [mpls] discussion on a common top for yang models related =
to MPLS
>>>=20
>>>> Loa,
>>>>=20
>>>> I definitely agree (co-author hat off, and user hat on). Avoiding dupl=
ication and doing better organization would indeed be a good thing to do.  =
=20
>>>>=20
>>>> 1) If MPLS base model (and subsequent models - LDP, TE etc.) augments =
the (IP) routing/routing-protocol, then it might not well apply to GMPLS. I=
s there an existing thought-process on this topic?=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Either ignore the above and have GMPLS argument mpls base model as is,=
 or get MPLS base on an independent path (off of (IP) routing/routing-proto=
col) and work out the subsequent models.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> 2) In terms of hierarchy, is the below envisioned?
>>>>=20
>>>>   MPLS base =3D> Static LSP and dynamic LSP
>>>>       MPLS static LSP =3D>=20
>>>>       MPLS dynamic LSP =3D>   =20
>>>>           LDP
>>>>           mLDP (MP)
>>>>           TE (RSVP-TE P2P)
>>>>           TE (RSVP-TE P2MP)               =20
>>>>=20
>>>> --=20
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Rajiv =20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Loa Andersson <loa@pi.=
nu>
>>>> Date: Friday, February 5, 2016 at 7:34 AM
>>>> To: "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>
>>>> Subject: [mpls] discussion on a common top for yang models related to =
MPLS
>>>>=20
>>>>> All,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> We have had discussion among the MPLS, TEAS and CCAMP working group
>>>>> chairs - but as individual contributors, with chair half off. We agre=
e
>>>>> that this discussion should be taken to the working group(s).
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The YANG models for MPLS and GMPLS are quite rapidly taking shape. MP=
LS
>>>>> and GMPLS technologies have traditionally been very close, but their
>>>>> development has been a bit disjoint. For the YANG models we would lik=
e
>>>>> to minimize duplication of models/work and think the structure should
>>>>> have a common the top,  with specific technologies augmented below.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The structure in general as well as the YANG model at the common top
>>>>> needs to be the generic and aligned across the output of at least
>>>>> CCAMP, MPLS and TEAS working groups. There has been good work=20
>>>>> progressing on TE specifics, e.g., see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te, but
>>>>> other areas remain. On the LDP side of the house draft-raza-mpls-
>>>>> ldp-mldp-yang is rapidly progressing towards working group adoption.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The models defined in draft-saad-mpls-static-yang could serve as the
>>>>> start on filling some of the remaining gaps; covering core xMPLS
>>>>> definitions and static LSPs.  There are a number of ways to make the
>>>>> structure intuitive and generic, and serve as a foundation for
>>>>> technology specific models.  -- This effort can be viewed as the same
>>>>> type of work that was done for TE, see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> We think it would be a good idea  if the authors and the  WG consider=
s
>>>>> how to structure xMPLS definitions and static LSPs models to best
>>>>> foster common use across the different related models being worked on=
=20
>>>>> across  different WGs.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> We are sending this mail in hopes of getting this discussion started.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Lou and Loa
>>>>> --=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
>>>>> Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
>>>>> Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

        Title           : Residence Time Measurement in MPLS network
        Authors         : Greg Mirsky
                          Stefano Ruffini
                          Eric Gray
                          John Drake
                          Stewart Bryant
                          Alexander Vainshtein
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-03.txt
	Pages           : 25
	Date            : 2016-02-12

Abstract:
   This document specifies G-ACh based Residence Time Measurement and
   how it can be used by time synchronization protocols being
   transported over MPLS domain.

   Residence time is the variable part of propagation delay of timing
   and synchronization messages and knowing what this delay is for each
   message allows for a more accurate determination of the delay to be
   taken into account in applying the value included in a PTP event
   message.


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello Lou,<br>
      <br>
      You wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote
      cite="mid:152d5519298.2818.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net"
      type="cite">- Is it worth providing a list of RFCs and wg IDs,
      perhaps in an attachment?  And add " We would appreciate any
      comments you may have on the active Working Group  documents."
      <br>
      <br>
      Lou <br>
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    <br>
    That is a good idea.<br>
    Here are some candidates for that list, I think thet the ITU will be
    interested<br>
    in their status:<br>
    <br>
    draft-ietf-mpls-tp-temporal-hitless-psm<br>
    draft-ietf-mpls-tp-shared-ring-protection<br>
    draft-ietf-mpls-rmr<br>
    <pre wrap=""><big>Best regards, Huub.</big>
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Folks,

This is the list of active IDs, if we want to use it, please feel free
to do so.

draft-ietf-mpls-rmr is strictly not a mpls-tp ID, but since there seems
to be interest it could be included as "WG Document".

/Loa

On 2016-02-13 02:19, Huub van Helvoort wrote:
> Hello Lou,
>
> You wrote:
>
>> - Is it worth providing a list of RFCs and wg IDs, perhaps in an
>> attachment?  And add " We would appreciate any comments you may have
>> on the active Working Group  documents."
>>
>> Lou
>
> That is a good idea.
> Here are some candidates for that list, I think thet the ITU will be
> interested
> in their status:
>
> draft-ietf-mpls-tp-temporal-hitless-psm
> draft-ietf-mpls-tp-shared-ring-protection
> draft-ietf-mpls-rmr
>
> Best regards, Huub.
>
>

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Loa and Scott,

Regarding draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-mac-wd, the datatracker is misleading.
It=E2=80=99s not been in AUTH48 for 99 days, it=E2=80=99s been in the RFC E=
ditor=E2=80=99s queue
for 99 days. I expect AUTH48 to complete shortly, editorial corrections are
complete and we're just waiting on all of the authors to respond. So please
remove the =E2=80=9Cfor 99 days=E2=80=9D from its entry in the list.

Thanks,
Andy

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 12:16 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> This is the list of active IDs, if we want to use it, please feel free
> to do so.
>
> draft-ietf-mpls-rmr is strictly not a mpls-tp ID, but since there seems
> to be interest it could be included as "WG Document".
>
> /Loa
>
>
> On 2016-02-13 02:19, Huub van Helvoort wrote:
>
>> Hello Lou,
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>> - Is it worth providing a list of RFCs and wg IDs, perhaps in an
>>> attachment?  And add " We would appreciate any comments you may have
>>> on the active Working Group  documents."
>>>
>>> Lou
>>>
>>
>> That is a good idea.
>> Here are some candidates for that list, I think thet the ITU will be
>> interested
>> in their status:
>>
>> draft-ietf-mpls-tp-temporal-hitless-psm
>> draft-ietf-mpls-tp-shared-ring-protection
>> draft-ietf-mpls-rmr
>>
>> Best regards, Huub.
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Loa and Scott,<div><br></div><div>Regarding=C2=A0draft-iet=
f-pals-mpls-tp-mac-wd, the datatracker is misleading. It=E2=80=99s not been=
 in AUTH48 for 99 days, it=E2=80=99s been in the RFC Editor=E2=80=99s queue=
 for 99 days. I expect AUTH48 to complete shortly, editorial corrections ar=
e complete and we&#39;re just waiting on all of the authors to respond. So =
please remove the =E2=80=9Cfor 99 days=E2=80=9D from its entry in the list.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Andy</div></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 12:16 AM=
, Loa Andersson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=
=3D"_blank">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">Folks,<br>
<br>
This is the list of active IDs, if we want to use it, please feel free<br>
to do so.<br>
<br>
draft-ietf-mpls-rmr is strictly not a mpls-tp ID, but since there seems<br>
to be interest it could be included as &quot;WG Document&quot;.<span class=
=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
/Loa</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On 2016-02-13 02:19, Huub van Helvoort wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hello Lou,<br>
<br>
You wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- Is it worth providing a list of RFCs and wg IDs, perhaps in an<br>
attachment?=C2=A0 And add &quot; We would appreciate any comments you may h=
ave<br>
on the active Working Group=C2=A0 documents.&quot;<br>
<br>
Lou<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
That is a good idea.<br>
Here are some candidates for that list, I think thet the ITU will be<br>
interested<br>
in their status:<br>
<br>
draft-ietf-mpls-tp-temporal-hitless-psm<br>
draft-ietf-mpls-tp-shared-ring-protection<br>
draft-ietf-mpls-rmr<br>
<br>
Best regards, Huub.<br>
<br>
<br>
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 Greg,

Thanks for the changes. I have some  comments on this version:

- I don't think the role of rro is clear in this rev. It references hop 
count in the narrative, but then has no associated required processing.  I 
read it as vestigial text that can be dropped, but perhaps not. Either way 
this should  be clarified.

- given that the  RTM_SET Sub-object is no longer carried in the rro, I 
think it would be clearer to align the name with other LSP attribute TLVs. 
(See 
http://www.iana.org/assignments/rsvp-te-parameters/rsvp-te-parameters.xhtml) 
. So perhaps RTM_SET TLV and simply RTM_SET for short (and in place of RRSO)?

- The last paragraph of 4.7 needs to be updated to reflect that there isn't 
a new object being introduced and that RTM_SET is carried as an attribute tlv.

- there are no processing rules for RTM_SET sub-TLVs.

That's it.

Thanks,
Lou








On February 12, 2016 11:47:43 AM internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:

>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : Residence Time Measurement in MPLS network
>         Authors         : Greg Mirsky
>                           Stefano Ruffini
>                           Eric Gray
>                           John Drake
>                           Stewart Bryant
>                           Alexander Vainshtein
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-03.txt
> 	Pages           : 25
> 	Date            : 2016-02-12
>
> Abstract:
>    This document specifies G-ACh based Residence Time Measurement and
>    how it can be used by time synchronization protocols being
>    transported over MPLS domain.
>
>    Residence time is the variable part of propagation delay of timing
>    and synchronization messages and knowing what this delay is for each
>    message allows for a more accurate determination of the delay to be
>    taken into account in applying the value included in a PTP event
>    message.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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Working Group,

We have started the work to take LDP to Internet Standard, the -00
version of draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis does a few things

- gives us an xml-document to work from
- defines the scope of what needs to be done
- adds a TODO-list with semi-concrete task that should be
   undertaken
- starts a list of differences between RFC 5036 and the current
   document

We have added an "Editors note" as the first section (for scope
and ToDo), the Editors Note will be removed before publication, but
temporarily the section numbering is "one off" as compared to RFC 5036.

WE have also added xml anchors/targets for internal references and
figure numbers for the figures.

We are considering to remove the figure number again before publication,
but ant them there as long as we are discussing the document.

The implicit tables for optional parameters has been changed to
xml supported texttables.

We have removed the reference to CR-LDP as the TE protocol.

We have discussed if we can remove FR and ATM, since there seems to
be no FR or ATM switches using LDP.

Please comment on what we have done, and help us capture things we
have forgotten.

/Loa
for the editors group


On 2016-02-16 14:52, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>
>
>          Title           : LDP Specification
>          Authors         : Xia Chen
>                            Loa Andersson
>                            Nic Leymann
>                            Ina Minei
> 	Filename        : draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00.txt
> 	Pages           : 141
> 	Date            : 2016-02-15
>
> Abstract:
>     The architecture for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) is
>     described in RFC 3031.  A fundamental concept in MPLS is that two
>     Label Switching Routers (LSRs) must agree on the meaning of the
>     labels used to forward traffic between and through them.  This common
>     understanding is achieved by using a set of procedures, called a
>     label distribution protocol, by which one LSR informs another of
>     label bindings it has made.  This document defines a set of such
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Loa,

Questions about ATM and FR come up periodically. There are definitely still
native ATM switches running in SP networks and perhaps native FR switches
as well, and there=E2=80=99s no way to guarantee that none of them aren=E2=
=80=99t still
running LDP to provide MPLS and IP services. It=E2=80=99s difficult to prov=
e a
negative. So my preference would be to retain those sections.

Cheers,
Andy


On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

> Working Group,
>
> We have started the work to take LDP to Internet Standard, the -00
> version of draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis does a few things
>
> - gives us an xml-document to work from
> - defines the scope of what needs to be done
> - adds a TODO-list with semi-concrete task that should be
>   undertaken
> - starts a list of differences between RFC 5036 and the current
>   document
>
> We have added an "Editors note" as the first section (for scope
> and ToDo), the Editors Note will be removed before publication, but
> temporarily the section numbering is "one off" as compared to RFC 5036.
>
> WE have also added xml anchors/targets for internal references and
> figure numbers for the figures.
>
> We are considering to remove the figure number again before publication,
> but ant them there as long as we are discussing the document.
>
> The implicit tables for optional parameters has been changed to
> xml supported texttables.
>
> We have removed the reference to CR-LDP as the TE protocol.
>
> We have discussed if we can remove FR and ATM, since there seems to
> be no FR or ATM switches using LDP.
>
> Please comment on what we have done, and help us capture things we
> have forgotten.
>
> /Loa
> for the editors group
>
>
> On 2016-02-16 14:52, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>
>>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>>
>>
>>          Title           : LDP Specification
>>          Authors         : Xia Chen
>>                            Loa Andersson
>>                            Nic Leymann
>>                            Ina Minei
>>         Filename        : draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00.txt
>>         Pages           : 141
>>         Date            : 2016-02-15
>>
>> Abstract:
>>     The architecture for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) is
>>     described in RFC 3031.  A fundamental concept in MPLS is that two
>>     Label Switching Routers (LSRs) must agree on the meaning of the
>>     labels used to forward traffic between and through them.  This commo=
n
>>     understanding is achieved by using a set of procedures, called a
>>     label distribution protocol, by which one LSR informs another of
>>     label bindings it has made.  This document defines a set of such
>>     procedures called LDP (for Label Distribution Protocol) by which LSR=
s
>>     distribute labels to support MPLS forwarding along normally routed
>>     paths.
>>
>>
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis/
>>
>> There's also a htmlized version available at:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00
>>
>>
>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
>> submission
>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>>
>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Loa,<div><br></div><div>Questions about ATM and FR come up=
 periodically. There are definitely still native ATM switches running in SP=
 networks and perhaps native FR switches as well, and there=E2=80=99s no wa=
y to guarantee that none of them aren=E2=80=99t still running LDP to provid=
e MPLS and IP services. It=E2=80=99s difficult to prove a negative. So my p=
reference would be to retain those sections.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div=
>Cheers,</div><div>Andy</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Loa Ander=
sson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">l=
oa@pi.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Working =
Group,<br>
<br>
We have started the work to take LDP to Internet Standard, the -00<br>
version of draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis does a few things<br>
<br>
- gives us an xml-document to work from<br>
- defines the scope of what needs to be done<br>
- adds a TODO-list with semi-concrete task that should be<br>
=C2=A0 undertaken<br>
- starts a list of differences between RFC 5036 and the current<br>
=C2=A0 document<br>
<br>
We have added an &quot;Editors note&quot; as the first section (for scope<b=
r>
and ToDo), the Editors Note will be removed before publication, but<br>
temporarily the section numbering is &quot;one off&quot; as compared to RFC=
 5036.<br>
<br>
WE have also added xml anchors/targets for internal references and<br>
figure numbers for the figures.<br>
<br>
We are considering to remove the figure number again before publication,<br=
>
but ant them there as long as we are discussing the document.<br>
<br>
The implicit tables for optional parameters has been changed to<br>
xml supported texttables.<br>
<br>
We have removed the reference to CR-LDP as the TE protocol.<br>
<br>
We have discussed if we can remove FR and ATM, since there seems to<br>
be no FR or ATM switches using LDP.<br>
<br>
Please comment on what we have done, and help us capture things we<br>
have forgotten.<br>
<br>
/Loa<br>
for the editors group<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2016-02-16 14:52, <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"=
_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0: LDP Specification<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
: Xia Chen<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Loa Andersson<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Nic Leymann<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ina Minei<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-ijl=
n-mpls-rfc5036bis-00.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 141<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :=
 2016-02-15<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The architecture for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) is<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 described in RFC 3031.=C2=A0 A fundamental concept in MPLS is=
 that two<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Label Switching Routers (LSRs) must agree on the meaning of t=
he<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 labels used to forward traffic between and through them.=C2=
=A0 This common<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 understanding is achieved by using a set of procedures, calle=
d a<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 label distribution protocol, by which one LSR informs another=
 of<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 label bindings it has made.=C2=A0 This document defines a set=
 of such<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 procedures called LDP (for Label Distribution Protocol) by wh=
ich LSRs<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 distribute labels to support MPLS forwarding along normally r=
outed<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 paths.<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis/" re=
l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-i=
jln-mpls-rfc5036bis/</a><br>
<br>
There&#39;s also a htmlized version available at:<br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ijln-mp=
ls-rfc5036bis-00</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio=
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until the htmlized version and diff are available at <a href=3D"http://tool=
s.ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">tools.ietf.org</a>.<br>
<br>
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On 2/16/2016 7:12 AM, Loa Andersson wrote:
> Working Group,
>
> We have started the work to take LDP to Internet Standard, 
Why?  There doesn't seem to be any advantage to doing so.  A new 
revision may introduce errors, and will require careful review.  It just 
doesn't seem like a worthwhile expenditure of time.

Also, per RFC 6410, promoting a "Draft Standard" to "Internet Standard" 
does not require a new version of the document.   A new revision doesn't 
seem like a good idea unless there are substantive issues to be addressed.


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Sasha,

You probably make a good case regarding label-controlled FR. For
label-controlled ATM, there were certainly widely used implementations at
one point in time. I guess the argument could be made that those
implementations conform to 5036, not the new RFC if it=E2=80=99s removed.

Proof of implementation is easy to find, even now, such as at
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/multiprotocol-label-switching-mpl=
s/multiprotocol-label-switching-over-atm-mpls-over-atm/10475-mpls-vcmerge.h=
tml
and
https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos13.2/topics/usage-guidelin=
es/interfaces-configuring-layer-2-circuit-transport-mode.html
.

Cheers,
Andy


On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Alexander Vainshtein <
Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> wrote:

> Andy, and all,
>
> I have looked up RFC 6410 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6410>, and it
> states that in order to progress to full Standard =E2=80=9C*at least two
> independent interoperating implementations with widespread deployment and
> successful operational experience*=E2=80=9D are required.
>
>
>
> To me this means that if we want to retain the label-controlled ATM and/o=
r
> FR in the Internet Standard version of LDP, we should be able to =E2=80=
=9Cshow
> case=E2=80=9D of widespread deployment and successful operational experie=
nce
> independently for each of these.
>
>
>
> Can we really do that? I am not sure about ATM, but I have strong doubts
> widespread deployment of label-controlled FR can be demonstrated even wit=
h
> the most liberal interpretation of the term =E2=80=9Cwidespread=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
> It seems that the authors of draft-ijln have chosen an alternative
> possibility mentioned in 6410, namely removal of =E2=80=9Cunused features=
 that
> cause great complexity=E2=80=9D from the specification.
>
>
>
>
>
> If anything, this approach definitely saves some workJ.
>
>
>
> My 2c,
>
> Sasha
>
>
>
> Office: +972-39266302
>
> Cell:      +972-549266302
>
> Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com
>
>
>
> *From:* mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew G. Mali=
s
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 4:24 PM
> *To:* Loa Andersson
> *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis@ietf.org;
> mpls-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [mpls] A first version of draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00.tx=
t
>
>
>
> Loa,
>
>
>
> Questions about ATM and FR come up periodically. There are definitely
> still native ATM switches running in SP networks and perhaps native FR
> switches as well, and there=E2=80=99s no way to guarantee that none of th=
em aren=E2=80=99t
> still running LDP to provide MPLS and IP services. It=E2=80=99s difficult=
 to prove
> a negative. So my preference would be to retain those sections.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
>
> Working Group,
>
> We have started the work to take LDP to Internet Standard, the -00
> version of draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis does a few things
>
> - gives us an xml-document to work from
> - defines the scope of what needs to be done
> - adds a TODO-list with semi-concrete task that should be
>   undertaken
> - starts a list of differences between RFC 5036 and the current
>   document
>
> We have added an "Editors note" as the first section (for scope
> and ToDo), the Editors Note will be removed before publication, but
> temporarily the section numbering is "one off" as compared to RFC 5036.
>
> WE have also added xml anchors/targets for internal references and
> figure numbers for the figures.
>
> We are considering to remove the figure number again before publication,
> but ant them there as long as we are discussing the document.
>
> The implicit tables for optional parameters has been changed to
> xml supported texttables.
>
> We have removed the reference to CR-LDP as the TE protocol.
>
> We have discussed if we can remove FR and ATM, since there seems to
> be no FR or ATM switches using LDP.
>
> Please comment on what we have done, and help us capture things we
> have forgotten.
>
> /Loa
> for the editors group
>
>
> On 2016-02-16 14:52, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
>
>
>          Title           : LDP Specification
>          Authors         : Xia Chen
>                            Loa Andersson
>                            Nic Leymann
>                            Ina Minei
>         Filename        : draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00.txt
>         Pages           : 141
>         Date            : 2016-02-15
>
> Abstract:
>     The architecture for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) is
>     described in RFC 3031.  A fundamental concept in MPLS is that two
>     Label Switching Routers (LSRs) must agree on the meaning of the
>     labels used to forward traffic between and through them.  This common
>     understanding is achieved by using a set of procedures, called a
>     label distribution protocol, by which one LSR informs another of
>     label bindings it has made.  This document defines a set of such
>     procedures called LDP (for Label Distribution Protocol) by which LSRs
>     distribute labels to support MPLS forwarding along normally routed
>     paths.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis/
>
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> submission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sasha,<div><br></div><div>You probably make a good case re=
garding label-controlled FR. For label-controlled ATM, there were certainly=
 widely used implementations at one point in time. I guess the argument cou=
ld be made that those implementations conform to 5036, not the new RFC if i=
t=E2=80=99s removed.</div><div><br></div><div>Proof of implementation is ea=
sy to find, even now, such as at=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.cisco.com/c/en/=
us/support/docs/multiprotocol-label-switching-mpls/multiprotocol-label-swit=
ching-over-atm-mpls-over-atm/10475-mpls-vcmerge.html">http://www.cisco.com/=
c/en/us/support/docs/multiprotocol-label-switching-mpls/multiprotocol-label=
-switching-over-atm-mpls-over-atm/10475-mpls-vcmerge.html</a> and=C2=A0<a h=
ref=3D"https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos13.2/topics/usage-g=
uidelines/interfaces-configuring-layer-2-circuit-transport-mode.html">https=
://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos13.2/topics/usage-guidelines/in=
terfaces-configuring-layer-2-circuit-transport-mode.html</a> .</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Andy</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:32 =
AM, Alexander Vainshtein <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Alexander.=
Vainshtein@ecitele.com" target=3D"_blank">Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Andy, and all,<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I have looked up
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6410" target=3D"_blank">RFC 6410<=
/a>, and it states that in order to progress to full Standard =E2=80=9C<i>a=
t least two independent interoperating implementations
<span style=3D"background:yellow">with widespread deployment</span> and suc=
cessful operational experience</i>=E2=80=9D are required.<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">To me this means that if =
we want to retain the label-controlled ATM and/or FR in the Internet Standa=
rd version of LDP, we should be able to =E2=80=9Cshow case=E2=80=9D of
<span style=3D"background:yellow">widespread deployment</span> and successf=
ul operational experience independently for each of these.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Can we really do that? I =
am not sure about ATM, but I have strong doubts widespread deployment of la=
bel-controlled FR can be demonstrated even with the most
 liberal interpretation of the term =E2=80=9Cwidespread=E2=80=9D.<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">It seems that the authors=
 of draft-ijln have chosen an alternative possibility mentioned in 6410, na=
mely removal of =E2=80=9Cunused features that cause great complexity=E2=80=
=9D
 from the specification.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">If anything, this approac=
h definitely saves some work</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">.<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">My 2c,<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Sasha<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Office: <a href=3D"tel:%2=
B972-39266302" value=3D"+97239266302" target=3D"_blank">+972-39266302</a><u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cell:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"tel:%2B972-549266302" value=3D"+972549266302" targe=
t=3D"_blank">+972-549266302</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Email:=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com" target=3D"_blank">Alexander.V=
ainshtein@ecitele.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> mpls [ma=
ilto:<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew G. Malis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 16, 2016 4:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Loa Andersson<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls@ietf.org=
</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis@ietf.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@=
ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [mpls] A first version of draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00=
.txt<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Loa,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Questions about ATM and FR come up periodically. The=
re are definitely still native ATM switches running in SP networks and perh=
aps native FR switches as well, and there=E2=80=99s no way to guarantee tha=
t none of them aren=E2=80=99t still running LDP to
 provide MPLS and IP services. It=E2=80=99s difficult to prove a negative. =
So my preference would be to retain those sections.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Loa Andersson &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt; wrote:<u></=
u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Working Group,<br>
<br>
We have started the work to take LDP to Internet Standard, the -00<br>
version of draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis does a few things<br>
<br>
- gives us an xml-document to work from<br>
- defines the scope of what needs to be done<br>
- adds a TODO-list with semi-concrete task that should be<br>
=C2=A0 undertaken<br>
- starts a list of differences between RFC 5036 and the current<br>
=C2=A0 document<br>
<br>
We have added an &quot;Editors note&quot; as the first section (for scope<b=
r>
and ToDo), the Editors Note will be removed before publication, but<br>
temporarily the section numbering is &quot;one off&quot; as compared to RFC=
 5036.<br>
<br>
WE have also added xml anchors/targets for internal references and<br>
figure numbers for the figures.<br>
<br>
We are considering to remove the figure number again before publication,<br=
>
but ant them there as long as we are discussing the document.<br>
<br>
The implicit tables for optional parameters has been changed to<br>
xml supported texttables.<br>
<br>
We have removed the reference to CR-LDP as the TE protocol.<br>
<br>
We have discussed if we can remove FR and ATM, since there seems to<br>
be no FR or ATM switches using LDP.<br>
<br>
Please comment on what we have done, and help us capture things we<br>
have forgotten.<br>
<br>
/Loa<br>
for the editors group<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2016-02-16 14:52, <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"=
_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0: LDP Specification<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
: Xia Chen<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Loa Andersson<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Nic Leymann<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ina Minei<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-ijl=
n-mpls-rfc5036bis-00.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 141<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :=
 2016-02-15<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The architecture for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) is<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 described in RFC 3031.=C2=A0 A fundamental concept in MPLS is=
 that two<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Label Switching Routers (LSRs) must agree on the meaning of t=
he<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 labels used to forward traffic between and through them.=C2=
=A0 This common<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 understanding is achieved by using a set of procedures, calle=
d a<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 label distribution protocol, by which one LSR informs another=
 of<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 label bindings it has made.=C2=A0 This document defines a set=
 of such<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 procedures called LDP (for Label Distribution Protocol) by wh=
ich LSRs<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 distribute labels to support MPLS forwarding along normally r=
outed<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 paths.<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis/" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis=
/</a><br>
<br>
There&#39;s also a htmlized version available at:<br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00" targe=
t=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00</a><=
br>
<br>
<br>
Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio=
n<br>
until the htmlized version and diff are available at <a href=3D"http://tool=
s.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">
tools.ietf.org</a>.<br>
<br>
Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:<br>
<a href=3D"ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp=
.ietf.org/internet-drafts/</a><br>
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Sasha,

At the time of that particular survey, yes. There was certainly enough
usage at the time to justify a MIB (RFC 4368). But I agree proof may be
problematic.

Cheers,
Andy

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Alexander Vainshtein <
Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> wrote:

> Andy,
>
> Lots of thanks for a prompt response.
>
>
>
> I fully agree with you that proof of independent implementations is easy
> to provide.
>
> Actually since RFC 6410 only requires 2 independent implementation, this
> proof is already here.
>
>
>
> Proof of wide deployment is much more problematic. E.g., RFC 5037
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5037/?include_text=3D1> (Experience
> with the LDP protocol) does not mention the interface type (packet, ATM o=
r
> FR) that have been deployed  at the time of survey. I could guess that
> since 10 out of 11 responders to the corresponding survey have reported
> using liberal label retention mode, at best the remaining one was using
> label-controlled ATM. Does this make sense to you?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sasha
>
>
>
> Office: +972-39266302
>
> Cell:      +972-549266302
>
> Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew G. Malis [mailto:agmalis@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 5:52 PM
> *To:* Alexander Vainshtein
> *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis@ietf.org;
> mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Loa Andersson
>
> *Subject:* Re: [mpls] A first version of draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00.tx=
t
>
>
>
> Sasha,
>
>
>
> You probably make a good case regarding label-controlled FR. For
> label-controlled ATM, there were certainly widely used implementations at
> one point in time. I guess the argument could be made that those
> implementations conform to 5036, not the new RFC if it=E2=80=99s removed.
>
>
>
> Proof of implementation is easy to find, even now, such as at
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/multiprotocol-label-switching-m=
pls/multiprotocol-label-switching-over-atm-mpls-over-atm/10475-mpls-vcmerge=
.html
> and
> https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos13.2/topics/usage-guidel=
ines/interfaces-configuring-layer-2-circuit-transport-mode.html
> .
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Alexander Vainshtein <
> Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> wrote:
>
> Andy, and all,
>
> I have looked up RFC 6410 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6410>, and it
> states that in order to progress to full Standard =E2=80=9C*at least two
> independent interoperating implementations with widespread deployment and
> successful operational experience*=E2=80=9D are required.
>
>
>
> To me this means that if we want to retain the label-controlled ATM and/o=
r
> FR in the Internet Standard version of LDP, we should be able to =E2=80=
=9Cshow
> case=E2=80=9D of widespread deployment and successful operational experie=
nce
> independently for each of these.
>
>
>
> Can we really do that? I am not sure about ATM, but I have strong doubts
> widespread deployment of label-controlled FR can be demonstrated even wit=
h
> the most liberal interpretation of the term =E2=80=9Cwidespread=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
> It seems that the authors of draft-ijln have chosen an alternative
> possibility mentioned in 6410, namely removal of =E2=80=9Cunused features=
 that
> cause great complexity=E2=80=9D from the specification.
>
>
>
>
>
> If anything, this approach definitely saves some workJ.
>
>
>
> My 2c,
>
> Sasha
>
>
>
> Office: +972-39266302
>
> Cell:      +972-549266302
>
> Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com
>
>
>
> *From:* mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew G. Mali=
s
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 4:24 PM
> *To:* Loa Andersson
> *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis@ietf.org;
> mpls-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [mpls] A first version of draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00.tx=
t
>
>
>
> Loa,
>
>
>
> Questions about ATM and FR come up periodically. There are definitely
> still native ATM switches running in SP networks and perhaps native FR
> switches as well, and there=E2=80=99s no way to guarantee that none of th=
em aren=E2=80=99t
> still running LDP to provide MPLS and IP services. It=E2=80=99s difficult=
 to prove
> a negative. So my preference would be to retain those sections.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
>
> Working Group,
>
> We have started the work to take LDP to Internet Standard, the -00
> version of draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis does a few things
>
> - gives us an xml-document to work from
> - defines the scope of what needs to be done
> - adds a TODO-list with semi-concrete task that should be
>   undertaken
> - starts a list of differences between RFC 5036 and the current
>   document
>
> We have added an "Editors note" as the first section (for scope
> and ToDo), the Editors Note will be removed before publication, but
> temporarily the section numbering is "one off" as compared to RFC 5036.
>
> WE have also added xml anchors/targets for internal references and
> figure numbers for the figures.
>
> We are considering to remove the figure number again before publication,
> but ant them there as long as we are discussing the document.
>
> The implicit tables for optional parameters has been changed to
> xml supported texttables.
>
> We have removed the reference to CR-LDP as the TE protocol.
>
> We have discussed if we can remove FR and ATM, since there seems to
> be no FR or ATM switches using LDP.
>
> Please comment on what we have done, and help us capture things we
> have forgotten.
>
> /Loa
> for the editors group
>
>
> On 2016-02-16 14:52, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
>
>
>          Title           : LDP Specification
>          Authors         : Xia Chen
>                            Loa Andersson
>                            Nic Leymann
>                            Ina Minei
>         Filename        : draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00.txt
>         Pages           : 141
>         Date            : 2016-02-15
>
> Abstract:
>     The architecture for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) is
>     described in RFC 3031.  A fundamental concept in MPLS is that two
>     Label Switching Routers (LSRs) must agree on the meaning of the
>     labels used to forward traffic between and through them.  This common
>     understanding is achieved by using a set of procedures, called a
>     label distribution protocol, by which one LSR informs another of
>     label bindings it has made.  This document defines a set of such
>     procedures called LDP (for Label Distribution Protocol) by which LSRs
>     distribute labels to support MPLS forwarding along normally routed
>     paths.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis/
>
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> submission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sasha,<div><br></div><div>At the time of that particular s=
urvey, yes. There was certainly enough usage at the time to justify a MIB (=
RFC 4368). But I agree proof may be problematic.</div><div><br></div><div>C=
heers,</div><div>Andy</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Alexander Vainshtein <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Andy,<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Lots of thanks for a prom=
pt response.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I fully agree with you th=
at proof of independent implementations is easy to provide.<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Actually since RFC 6410 o=
nly requires 2 independent implementation, this proof is already here.<u></=
u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Proof of wide deployment =
is much more problematic. E.g.,
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc5037/?include_text=3D1" targ=
et=3D"_blank">RFC 5037</a> (Experience with the LDP protocol) does not ment=
ion the interface type (packet, ATM or FR) that have been deployed =C2=A0at=
 the time of survey. I could guess that since 10 out of 11
 responders to the corresponding survey have reported using liberal label r=
etention mode, at best the remaining one was using label-controlled ATM. Do=
es this make sense to you?
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Regards,<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Sasha<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Office: <a href=3D"tel:%2=
B972-39266302" value=3D"+97239266302" target=3D"_blank">+972-39266302</a><u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cell:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"tel:%2B972-549266302" value=3D"+972549266302" targe=
t=3D"_blank">+972-549266302</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Email:=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com" target=3D"_blank">Alexander.V=
ainshtein@ecitele.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
</span><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> A=
ndrew G. Malis [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:agmalis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">agmalis@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 16, 2016 5:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alexander Vainshtein<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls@ietf.org=
</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis@ietf.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@=
ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a>; Loa Andersson</span><=
/p><div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [mpls] A first version of draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00=
.txt<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sasha,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You probably make a good case regarding label-contro=
lled FR. For label-controlled ATM, there were certainly widely used impleme=
ntations at one point in time. I guess the argument could be made that thos=
e implementations conform to 5036,
 not the new RFC if it=E2=80=99s removed.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Proof of implementation is easy to find, even now, s=
uch as at=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/multipr=
otocol-label-switching-mpls/multiprotocol-label-switching-over-atm-mpls-ove=
r-atm/10475-mpls-vcmerge.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.cisco.com/c/en/=
us/support/docs/multiprotocol-label-switching-mpls/multiprotocol-label-swit=
ching-over-atm-mpls-over-atm/10475-mpls-vcmerge.html</a>
 and=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos13.2/=
topics/usage-guidelines/interfaces-configuring-layer-2-circuit-transport-mo=
de.html" target=3D"_blank">https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/juno=
s13.2/topics/usage-guidelines/interfaces-configuring-layer-2-circuit-transp=
ort-mode.html</a>
 .<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Alexander Vainshte=
in &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com" target=3D"_blank=
">Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Andy, and all,</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I have looked up
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6410" target=3D"_blank">RFC 6410<=
/a>, and it states that in order to progress to full Standard =E2=80=9C<i>a=
t least two independent interoperating implementations
<span style=3D"background:yellow">with widespread deployment</span> and suc=
cessful operational experience</i>=E2=80=9D are required.</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">To me this means that if =
we want to retain the label-controlled ATM and/or FR in the Internet Standa=
rd
 version of LDP, we should be able to =E2=80=9Cshow case=E2=80=9D of <span =
style=3D"background:yellow">
widespread deployment</span> and successful operational experience independ=
ently for each of these.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Can we really do that? I =
am not sure about ATM, but I have strong doubts widespread deployment of
 label-controlled FR can be demonstrated even with the most liberal interpr=
etation of the term =E2=80=9Cwidespread=E2=80=9D.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">It seems that the authors=
 of draft-ijln have chosen an alternative possibility mentioned in 6410,
 namely removal of =E2=80=9Cunused features that cause great complexity=E2=
=80=9D from the specification.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">If anything, this approac=
h definitely saves some work</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">.</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">My 2c,</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Sasha</span><u></u><u></u=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Office:
<a href=3D"tel:%2B972-39266302" target=3D"_blank">+972-39266302</a></span><=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cell:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0
<a href=3D"tel:%2B972-549266302" target=3D"_blank">+972-549266302</a></span=
><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Email:=C2=A0=C2=A0
<a href=3D"mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com" target=3D"_blank">Alexa=
nder.Vainshtein@ecitele.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> mpls [ma=
ilto:<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew G. Malis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 16, 2016 4:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Loa Andersson<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls@ietf.org=
</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis@ietf.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">
draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf=
.org" target=3D"_blank">
mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [mpls] A first version of draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis-00=
.txt</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Loa,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Questions about ATM and FR come up periodically. The=
re are definitely still native ATM switches running in SP networks and perh=
aps native FR switches as well, and there=E2=80=99s no way
 to guarantee that none of them aren=E2=80=99t still running LDP to provide=
 MPLS and IP services. It=E2=80=99s difficult to prove a negative. So my pr=
eference would be to retain those sections.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Loa Andersson &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt; wrote:<u></=
u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Working Group,<br>
<br>
We have started the work to take LDP to Internet Standard, the -00<br>
version of draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis does a few things<br>
<br>
- gives us an xml-document to work from<br>
- defines the scope of what needs to be done<br>
- adds a TODO-list with semi-concrete task that should be<br>
=C2=A0 undertaken<br>
- starts a list of differences between RFC 5036 and the current<br>
=C2=A0 document<br>
<br>
We have added an &quot;Editors note&quot; as the first section (for scope<b=
r>
and ToDo), the Editors Note will be removed before publication, but<br>
temporarily the section numbering is &quot;one off&quot; as compared to RFC=
 5036.<br>
<br>
WE have also added xml anchors/targets for internal references and<br>
figure numbers for the figures.<br>
<br>
We are considering to remove the figure number again before publication,<br=
>
but ant them there as long as we are discussing the document.<br>
<br>
The implicit tables for optional parameters has been changed to<br>
xml supported texttables.<br>
<br>
We have removed the reference to CR-LDP as the TE protocol.<br>
<br>
We have discussed if we can remove FR and ATM, since there seems to<br>
be no FR or ATM switches using LDP.<br>
<br>
Please comment on what we have done, and help us capture things we<br>
have forgotten.<br>
<br>
/Loa<br>
for the editors group<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2016-02-16 14:52, <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"=
_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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n-mpls-rfc5036bis-00.txt<br>
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Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The architecture for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) is<=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 described in RFC 3031.=C2=A0 A fundamental concept in MPLS is=
 that two<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Label Switching Routers (LSRs) must agree on the meaning of t=
he<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 labels used to forward traffic between and through them.=C2=
=A0 This common<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 understanding is achieved by using a set of procedures, calle=
d a<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 label distribution protocol, by which one LSR informs another=
 of<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 label bindings it has made.=C2=A0 This document defines a set=
 of such<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 procedures called LDP (for Label Distribution Protocol) by wh=
ich LSRs<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 distribute labels to support MPLS forwarding along normally r=
outed<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 paths.<br>
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<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis/" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ijln-mpls-rfc5036bis=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

        Title           : Application-aware Targeted LDP
        Authors         : Santosh Esale
                          Raveendra Torvi
                          Luay Jalil
                          Uma Chunduri
                          Zhenbin Li
                          Kamran Raza
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp-02.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2016-02-17

Abstract:
   Recent targeted LDP applications such as remote loop-free alternate
   (LFA) and BGP auto discovered pseudowire may automatically establish
   a tLDP session to any LSR in a network.  The initiating LSR has
   information about the targeted applications to administratively
   control initiation of the session. However, the responding LSR has no
   such information to control acceptance of this session. This document
   defines a mechanism to advertise and negotiate Targeted Applications
   Capability during LDP session initialization.  As the responding LSR
   becomes aware of targeted applications, it may establish a limited
   number of tLDP sessions for certain applications. In addition, each
   targeted application is mapped to LDP Forwarding Equivalence Class
   (FEC) Elements to advertise only necessary LDP FEC-label bindings
   over the session.



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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 7759

        Title:      Configuration of Proactive Operations, Administration, 
                    and Maintenance (OAM) Functions for MPLS-Based 
                    Transport Networks Using Label Switched Path 
                    (LSP) Ping 
        Author:     E. Bellagamba, G. Mirsky,
                    L. Andersson, P. Skoldstrom,
                    D. Ward, J. Drake
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       February 2016
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        Pages:      29
        Characters: 66411
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-mpls-tp-oam-conf-16.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7759

        DOI:        http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7759

This specification describes the configuration of proactive MPLS-TP
Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) functions for a
given Label Switched Path (LSP) using a set of TLVs that are carried
by the LSP Ping protocol.

This document is a product of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF.

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Working Group,

The authors of draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates has told us that
the document is ready to be considered for working adoption.

The document is now in MPLS-RT review and we will start an IPR poll 
prior to the start of the adoption poll.

This mail starts the IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

There are one IPR disclosure filed directly against this document.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
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/Loa
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Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
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Hello Loa,

I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates

Cheers, Huub.


> Working Group,
>
> The authors of draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates has told us that
> the document is ready to be considered for working adoption.
>
> The document is now in MPLS-RT review and we will start an IPR poll 
> prior to the start of the adoption poll.
>
> This mail starts the IPR poll.
>
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates?
>
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> There are one IPR disclosure filed directly against this document.
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
> this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
> IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The
> document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
> received from each author and contributor.
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> If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
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> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
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> /Loa
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

        Title           : Residence Time Measurement in MPLS network
        Authors         : Greg Mirsky
                          Stefano Ruffini
                          Eric Gray
                          John Drake
                          Stewart Bryant
                          Alexander Vainshtein
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-04.txt
	Pages           : 25
	Date            : 2016-02-18

Abstract:
   This document specifies G-ACh based Residence Time Measurement and
   how it can be used by time synchronization protocols being
   transported over MPLS domain.

   Residence time is the variable part of propagation delay of timing
   and synchronization messages and knowing what this delay is for each
   message allows for a more accurate determination of the delay to be
   taken into account in applying the value included in a PTP event
   message.


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Hi Lou,
greatly appreciate your thoughtful comments. We updated the draft and uploa=
ded it as -04. Please find more details in-line and tagged GIM>>.
Hope we're converging and are really close to completely address your very =
helpful comments.

	Best regards,
		Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]=20
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:45 AM
To: draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-03.txt

 Greg,

Thanks for the changes. I have some  comments on this version:

- I don't think the role of rro is clear in this rev. It references hop cou=
nt in the narrative, but then has no associated required processing.  I rea=
d it as vestigial text that can be dropped, but perhaps not. Either way thi=
s should  be clarified.
GIM>> Added the following sentence towards end of Section 4.6:
	The calculated  value is used by the LSR as TTL value in outgoing label to=
 reach the  next RTM capable LSR on the LSP.

- given that the  RTM_SET Sub-object is no longer carried in the rro, I thi=
nk it would be clearer to align the name with other LSP attribute TLVs.=20
(See
http://www.iana.org/assignments/rsvp-te-parameters/rsvp-te-parameters.xhtml=
)
. So perhaps RTM_SET TLV and simply RTM_SET for short (and in place of RRSO=
)?
GIM>> Thank you, accepted and changed text accordingly.

- The last paragraph of 4.7 needs to be updated to reflect that there isn't=
 a new object being introduced and that RTM_SET is carried as an attribute =
tlv.
GIM>> Done.

- there are no processing rules for RTM_SET sub-TLVs.
GIM>> That is very good point. In reviewing processing of RTM_SET sub-TLVs =
we agreed that duplicate sub-TLV is indication of misbehaving LSR and canno=
t be interpreted. Hence we propose to interrupt signaling LSP and generate =
PathErr with new Error Code. Once decided that we updated processing of dup=
licate RTM_SET TLV to behave in the similar manner, generate PathErr with d=
istinct new Error Code. Updated IANA Consideration section accordingly to r=
equest two new Error Codes.

That's it.

Thanks,
Lou








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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct=
ories.
> This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IET=
F.
>
>         Title           : Residence Time Measurement in MPLS network
>         Authors         : Greg Mirsky
>                           Stefano Ruffini
>                           Eric Gray
>                           John Drake
>                           Stewart Bryant
>                           Alexander Vainshtein
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-03.txt
> 	Pages           : 25
> 	Date            : 2016-02-12
>
> Abstract:
>    This document specifies G-ACh based Residence Time Measurement and
>    how it can be used by time synchronization protocols being
>    transported over MPLS domain.
>
>    Residence time is the variable part of propagation delay of timing
>    and synchronization messages and knowing what this delay is for each
>    message allows for a more accurate determination of the delay to be
>    taken into account in applying the value included in a PTP event
>    message.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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>
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-03
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
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Greg,
    See below.

On 2/18/2016 10:58 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote:
> Hi Lou,
> greatly appreciate your thoughtful comments. We updated the draft and uploaded it as -04. Please find more details in-line and tagged GIM>>.
> Hope we're converging and are really close to completely address your very helpful comments.
>
> 	Best regards,
> 		Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:45 AM
> To: draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time@ietf.org
> Cc: mpls@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-03.txt
>
>  Greg,
>
> Thanks for the changes. I have some  comments on this version:
>
> - I don't think the role of rro is clear in this rev. It references hop count in the narrative, but then has no associated required processing.  I read it as vestigial text that can be dropped, but perhaps not. Either way this should  be clarified.
> GIM>> Added the following sentence towards end of Section 4.6:
> 	The calculated  value is used by the LSR as TTL value in outgoing label to reach the  next RTM capable LSR on the LSP.

I think this doesn't always work, e.g., when RRO is modified due to
policy or limited due to size constraints.  This has to be addressed.  I
can see how to easily detect this situation, but not how to get the
number of non-supporting hops.  I guess it's always possible to play ttl
comparison games, but that's pretty ugly too.  Any thoughts?

> - given that the  RTM_SET Sub-object is no longer carried in the rro, I think it would be clearer to align the name with other LSP attribute TLVs. 
> (See
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/rsvp-te-parameters/rsvp-te-parameters.xhtml)
> . So perhaps RTM_SET TLV and simply RTM_SET for short (and in place of RRSO)?
> GIM>> Thank you, accepted and changed text accordingly.
>
> - The last paragraph of 4.7 needs to be updated to reflect that there isn't a new object being introduced and that RTM_SET is carried as an attribute tlv.
> GIM>> Done.
>
> - there are no processing rules for RTM_SET sub-TLVs.
> GIM>> That is very good point. In reviewing processing of RTM_SET sub-TLVs we agreed that duplicate sub-TLV is indication of misbehaving LSR and cannot be interpreted. Hence we propose to interrupt signaling LSP and generate PathErr with new Error Code. Once decided that we updated processing of duplicate RTM_SET TLV to behave in the similar manner, generate PathErr with distinct new Error Code. Updated IANA Consideration section accordingly to request two new Error Codes.
looks like a good start.  It should say if this is enforced at just
egress or all nodes.  Also it should state what a supporting transit
node is expected to do.  e.g., (put into nice prose):
    A transit node MUST examine an incoming Path Message for the
presence of a RTM_SET TLV
    within the LSP_ATTRIBUTES object. 
    If more than one is found, ...
    If none is found ...
    When one is found, the node MUST include its [FILL_IN] address to
the end of the
    RTM_SET TLV in associated outgoing Path messages.
   etc.

also for Reserved:
    s/transmission/initiation
as transit notes transmit, but shouldn't modify...

Lou
>
> That's it.
>
> Thanks,
> Lou
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On February 12, 2016 11:47:43 AM internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.
>>
>>         Title           : Residence Time Measurement in MPLS network
>>         Authors         : Greg Mirsky
>>                           Stefano Ruffini
>>                           Eric Gray
>>                           John Drake
>>                           Stewart Bryant
>>                           Alexander Vainshtein
>> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-03.txt
>> 	Pages           : 25
>> 	Date            : 2016-02-12
>>
>> Abstract:
>>    This document specifies G-ACh based Residence Time Measurement and
>>    how it can be used by time synchronization protocols being
>>    transported over MPLS domain.
>>
>>    Residence time is the variable part of propagation delay of timing
>>    and synchronization messages and knowing what this delay is for each
>>    message allows for a more accurate determination of the delay to be
>>    taken into account in applying the value included in a PTP event
>>    message.
>>
>>
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time/
>>
>> There's also a htmlized version available at:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-03
>>
>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-03
>>
>>
>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of 
>> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>>
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Hi Lou,
I think we are converging. Please find my answers in-line and tagged GIM2>>=
.

	Regards,
		Greg

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Greg,
    See below.

On 2/18/2016 10:58 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote:
> Hi Lou,
> greatly appreciate your thoughtful comments. We updated the draft and upl=
oaded it as -04. Please find more details in-line and tagged GIM>>.
> Hope we're converging and are really close to completely address your ver=
y helpful comments.
>
> 	Best regards,
> 		Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:45 AM
> To: draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time@ietf.org
> Cc: mpls@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-03.txt
>
>  Greg,
>
> Thanks for the changes. I have some  comments on this version:
>
> - I don't think the role of rro is clear in this rev. It references hop c=
ount in the narrative, but then has no associated required processing.  I r=
ead it as vestigial text that can be dropped, but perhaps not. Either way t=
his should  be clarified.
> GIM>> Added the following sentence towards end of Section 4.6:
> 	The calculated  value is used by the LSR as TTL value in outgoing label =
to reach the  next RTM capable LSR on the LSP.

I think this doesn't always work, e.g., when RRO is modified due to policy =
or limited due to size constraints.  This has to be addressed.  I can see h=
ow to easily detect this situation, but not how to get the number of non-su=
pporting hops.  I guess it's always possible to play ttl comparison games, =
but that's pretty ugly too.  Any thoughts?
GIM2>> If the RTM capable LSR cannot calculate the distance to the next dow=
nstream RTM capable LSR, then it should set TTL 255. Would that address you=
r concern?
GIM2>> Number of non-supporting RTM nodes - number of TLVs in RRO till matc=
hing the Value of the top RTM_SET sub-TLV in RTM-SET.
GIM2>> Yes, calculating or playing TTL game is how the proposed RTM mechani=
sm works. In PCE that may be simpler to do.

> - given that the  RTM_SET Sub-object is no longer carried in the rro, I t=
hink it would be clearer to align the name with other LSP attribute TLVs.=20
> (See
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/rsvp-te-parameters/rsvp-te-parameters.
> xhtml) . So perhaps RTM_SET TLV and simply RTM_SET for short (and in=20
> place of RRSO)?
> GIM>> Thank you, accepted and changed text accordingly.
>
> - The last paragraph of 4.7 needs to be updated to reflect that there isn=
't a new object being introduced and that RTM_SET is carried as an attribut=
e tlv.
> GIM>> Done.
>
> - there are no processing rules for RTM_SET sub-TLVs.
> GIM>> That is very good point. In reviewing processing of RTM_SET sub-TLV=
s we agreed that duplicate sub-TLV is indication of misbehaving LSR and can=
not be interpreted. Hence we propose to interrupt signaling LSP and generat=
e PathErr with new Error Code. Once decided that we updated processing of d=
uplicate RTM_SET TLV to behave in the similar manner, generate PathErr with=
 distinct new Error Code. Updated IANA Consideration section accordingly to=
 request two new Error Codes.
looks like a good start.  It should say if this is enforced at just egress =
or all nodes.  Also it should state what a supporting transit node is expec=
ted to do.  e.g., (put into nice prose):
    A transit node MUST examine an incoming Path Message for the presence o=
f a RTM_SET TLV
    within the LSP_ATTRIBUTES object.=20
    If more than one is found, ...
    If none is found ...
    When one is found, the node MUST include its [FILL_IN] address to the e=
nd of the
    RTM_SET TLV in associated outgoing Path messages.
   etc.
GIM2>> Thank you for your help and the text. I believe that by "transit nod=
e" we understand "RTM capable LSR". I'll prepare the new version and share =
with you.

also for Reserved:
    s/transmission/initiation
as transit notes transmit, but shouldn't modify...
GIM2>> Thank you, will change.

Lou
>
> That's it.
>
> Thanks,
> Lou
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On February 12, 2016 11:47:43 AM internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direc=
tories.
>> This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IE=
TF.
>>
>>         Title           : Residence Time Measurement in MPLS network
>>         Authors         : Greg Mirsky
>>                           Stefano Ruffini
>>                           Eric Gray
>>                           John Drake
>>                           Stewart Bryant
>>                           Alexander Vainshtein
>> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-03.txt
>> 	Pages           : 25
>> 	Date            : 2016-02-12
>>
>> Abstract:
>>    This document specifies G-ACh based Residence Time Measurement and
>>    how it can be used by time synchronization protocols being
>>    transported over MPLS domain.
>>
>>    Residence time is the variable part of propagation delay of timing
>>    and synchronization messages and knowing what this delay is for each
>>    message allows for a more accurate determination of the delay to be
>>    taken into account in applying the value included in a PTP event
>>    message.
>>
>>
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time/
>>
>> There's also a htmlized version available at:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-03
>>
>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-03
>>
>>
>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of=20
>> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ie=
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<div>Hi Loa,
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<div>I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.</div>
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<div>-------- =BF=F8=BA=BB =C0=CC=B8=DE=C0=CF --------</div>
<div>=BA=B8=B3=BD =BB=E7=B6=F7: Loa Andersson &lt;loa@pi.nu&gt; </div>
<div>=B3=AF=C2=A5: 2016/2/18 =BF=C0=C8=C4 3:31 (GMT&#43;01:00) </div>
<div>=B9=DE=C0=BA =BB=E7=B6=F7: draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates@ietf.org, mp=
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<div>=C2=FC=C1=B6: mpls-chairs@ietf.org </div>
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<br>
The authors of draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates has told us that<br>
the document is ready to be considered for working adoption.<br>
<br>
The document is now in MPLS-RT review and we will start an IPR poll <br>
prior to the start of the adoption poll.<br>
<br>
This mail starts the IPR poll.<br>
<br>
Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates?<br=
>
<br>
If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules<br>
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<br>
<br>
There are one IPR disclosure filed directly against this document.<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to<br>
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant<br>
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The<br>
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<br>
received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or<br>
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any<br=
>
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<br>
<br>
<br>
/Loa<br>
mpls wg co-chair<br>
<br>
-- <br>
<br>
<br>
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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  *   addressing minor changes to allow alignment with other OC model

The latest models can be found at:
https://github.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te

The full yang model tree (includes TE and RSVP) is generated at:
https://github.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te/blob/master/te_model.tree

Please review and let us know if you have any comments.

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Working Group,

This is to initiate a two week working group last call on
draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping.

Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

There are three IPR disclosures against this document.

The document shepherd and working group chairs are frequently asked
about the working group discussions related to any IPR disclosures.

We like to remind the working group that discussion on the content
and validity of an IPR disclosure should not take place on the MPLS wg
list or any IETF mailing lists.

However we are looking for simple statements whether you think the
working group should continue progress the document, regardless of an
existing IPR disclosure. Please include this information in your
"support/do not support" when responding to working group adoption
calls and last calls.

All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on
the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other
IPRs that relates to this draft.

Note: One of the authors - Nobo - has not responded to the IPR poll, we
know that in his new role Nobo is an infrequent reader of IETF mails.
We have decided to go ahead with the wglc, while we continue to ping him
on the IPR poll. We have a pretty good idea off Nobo's response, but
should ther be any "surprises" this will be brought to the attention of
the working group.

This working group last call ends March 08, 2016, however the wglc will
not be closed until we have all the responses on the IPR poll.


/Loa
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Working Group,

This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-
updates as an MPLS working group document.

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group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical
motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that
the document should not be adopted as a working group document.

There are no IPR disclosures against this document.

All the authors and contributors has stated on the mpls wg mailing list
that they are unaware of any IPRs that relates to this document.

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Loa,

I appreciate the time the authors have put in to identify and resolve issues
with the original document. Always good to apply polish to WG products, and so
this should be run through the WG to update RFC 7271.

Thanks,
Adrian

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> Working Group,
> 
> This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-
> updates as an MPLS working group document.
> 
> Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working
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> motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that
> the document should not be adopted as a working group document.
> 
> There are no IPR disclosures against this document.
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> /Loa
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Authors

I have been selected as an MPLS Review team reviewer for
draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates-02.txt.

In general, I think the draft is technically sound and it is useful to
provide clarification to sections of RFC7271 if it is the case that this
is actually causing confusion to implementers. However, I would encourage
the working group to think about how widely implemented and deployed
RFC7271 is before progressing this work, since spending working group time
on something that is not being widely implemented does not seem useful.

Minor Comments/Nits
=8B=8B=8B=8B=8B=8B=8B=8B=8B=8B=8B=8B=8B=8B
4.1=20
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates-02#section-4.1>
.  Initialization Behavior

   This section defines initialization behavior that is not described in
   [RFC7271 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7271>].

MB> It is a little unclear if this is adding a new INIT state to the state
machine that you can transit to from one or more other states, or if this
is just stating initial conditions before APS becomes operational. Please
can you clarify?

4.2=20
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates-02#section-4.2>
.  State Transition Modification

   In addition to the initialization behavior described in Section 4.1
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates-02#section-4.1>
,
   four cells of remote state transition table need to be changed to
   make two end nodes converged after initialization.

MB> s/four cells of remote state/ four cells of the remote state
MB> s/two end nodes converged / two end nodes converge


 Best regards

Matthew



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(blush)

Working Group,

This was to early, we are in the middle of the MPLS-RT review, and we
need to finish that before we start the poll - I apologize for my
mistake!

What happened was that I prepare the mails in advance, and this (fumbled
fingered) got sent to early.

When we have converged on the MPLS-RT review comments I will restart the
poll.

/Loa

On 2016-02-22 17:48, Loa Andersson wrote:
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> updates as an MPLS working group document.
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Subject: [mpls] MPLS SDN NFV World: two weeks left
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The 2016 Agenda:  Service Providers vision
The Congress will welcome the biggest operators involved in the
virtualization process (Google, Orange, BT, Deutsche Telekom, Verizon,
Telefonica, NTT, Telecom Italia, Colt, LinkedIn, Time Warner, Etisalat).
 
All will respond to the crucial and current question: After the Marketing
rush, what is left of NFV?
What can't we do with MPLS?
Key Sessions:
-          Segment routing: Deployment experience and technology update
-          SDN for core networks
-          What impact on the cost?
Is Software-Defined WANs the new VPN Revolution?
Key Sessions:
-          Next Generation CPE
-          Security issues
 Can we expect NFV to become a mature Solution?
Key Sessions:
-          Service insurance in NFV: What about mission critical services?
-          Return on experiences: Facing reality
-          An open ecosystem for NFV and SDN
 
More info. And full agenda:
http://www.uppersideconferences.com/mpls-sdn-nfv/
 
 

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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Colorful 3"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 1"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 2"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 5"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 2"/>
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 7"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 7"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 8"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table 3D effects 1"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table 3D effects 3"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Contemporary"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Elegant"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Professional"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Subtle 1"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Web 1"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Web 2"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Web 3"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Balloon Text"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Theme"/>
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Text"/>
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Name=3D"No Spacing"/>
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Shading"/>
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid"/>
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1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"64" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"65" Name=3D"Medium List =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"66" Name=3D"Medium List =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"67" Name=3D"Medium Grid =
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3"/>
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Shading"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"72" Name=3D"Colorful =
List"/>
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Grid"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Name=3D"List Paragraph"/>
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Name=3D"Quote"/>
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Name=3D"Intense Quote"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Shading Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Shading Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
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Shading Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful Grid =
Accent 3"/>
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Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid =
Accent 4"/>
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1 Accent 4"/>
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2 Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
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Shading Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
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Accent 4"/>
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Accent 5"/>
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Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid =
Accent 5"/>
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2 Accent 5"/>
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Accent 5"/>
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Accent 5"/>
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Accent 5"/>
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Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"69" Name=3D"Medium Grid 3 =
Accent 5"/>
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Accent 5"/>
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Shading Accent 5"/>
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Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful Grid =
Accent 5"/>
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Accent 6"/>
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Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid =
Accent 6"/>
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1 Accent 6"/>
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2 Accent 6"/>
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Accent 6"/>
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Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"67" Name=3D"Medium Grid 1 =
Accent 6"/>
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Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"69" Name=3D"Medium Grid 3 =
Accent 6"/>
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Accent 6"/>
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Shading Accent 6"/>
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Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful Grid =
Accent 6"/>
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Name=3D"Subtle Emphasis"/>
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Name=3D"Intense Emphasis"/>
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Name=3D"Subtle Reference"/>
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Name=3D"Intense Reference"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"33" QFormat=3D"true" =
Name=3D"Book Title"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Bibliography"/>
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1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"42" Name=3D"Plain Table =
2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"43" Name=3D"Plain Table =
3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"44" Name=3D"Plain Table =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"45" Name=3D"Plain Table =
5"/>
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Light"/>
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Light"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"47" Name=3D"Grid Table 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"48" Name=3D"Grid Table 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"Grid Table 4"/>
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Dark"/>
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Colorful"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"52" Name=3D"Grid Table 7 =
Colorful"/>
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Light Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"Grid Table 4 =
Accent 1"/>
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Dark Accent 1"/>
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Colorful Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"52" Name=3D"Grid Table 7 =
Colorful Accent 1"/>
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Light Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Dark Accent 2"/>
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Colorful Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"52" Name=3D"Grid Table 7 =
Colorful Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"46" Name=3D"Grid Table 1 =
Light Accent 3"/>
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Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"48" Name=3D"Grid Table 3 =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"Grid Table 4 =
Accent 3"/>
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Dark Accent 3"/>
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Colorful Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"52" Name=3D"Grid Table 7 =
Colorful Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"46" Name=3D"Grid Table 1 =
Light Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"47" Name=3D"Grid Table 2 =
Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"48" Name=3D"Grid Table 3 =
Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"Grid Table 4 =
Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"50" Name=3D"Grid Table 5 =
Dark Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"51" Name=3D"Grid Table 6 =
Colorful Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"52" Name=3D"Grid Table 7 =
Colorful Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"46" Name=3D"Grid Table 1 =
Light Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"47" Name=3D"Grid Table 2 =
Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"48" Name=3D"Grid Table 3 =
Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"Grid Table 4 =
Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"50" Name=3D"Grid Table 5 =
Dark Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"51" Name=3D"Grid Table 6 =
Colorful Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"52" Name=3D"Grid Table 7 =
Colorful Accent 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"46" Name=3D"Grid Table 1 =
Light Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"47" Name=3D"Grid Table 2 =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"48" Name=3D"Grid Table 3 =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"49" Name=3D"Grid Table 4 =
Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"50" Name=3D"Grid Table 5 =
Dark Accent 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"51" Name=3D"Grid Table 6 =
Colorful Accent 6"/>
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vision<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>The Congress will welcome the biggest =
operators involved in the virtualization process (Google, Orange, BT, =
Deutsche Telekom, Verizon, Telefonica, NTT, Telecom Italia, Colt, =
LinkedIn, Time Warner, Etisalat).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>All will respond to the crucial and =
current question: <b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>After the =
Marketing rush, what is left of NFV?<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b =
style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>What can&#8217;t we do with =
MPLS?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Key Sessions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;ms=
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"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Segment routing: Deployment experience =
and technology update<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if =
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style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;ms=
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"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>SDN for core =
networks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if =
!supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;ms=
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"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>What impact on the =
cost?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Is Software-Defined WANs =
the new VPN Revolution?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Key Sessions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;ms=
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e:EN-US'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style=3D'font:7.0pt =
"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Next Generation =
CPE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if =
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style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;ms=
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"Times New =
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Security =
issues<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span>Can we expect NFV to become a =
mature Solution?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Key Sessions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;ms=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Service insurance in NFV: What about =
mission critical services?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;ms=
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"Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Return on experiences: Facing =
reality<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if =
!supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;ms=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>An open ecosystem for NFV and =
SDN<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>More info. And full agenda: <a =
href=3D"http://www.uppersideconferences.com/mpls-sdn-nfv/">http://www.upp=
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In my view, this work is something WG consider adopting.

Thanks,
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

        Title           : Application-aware Targeted LDP
        Authors         : Santosh Esale
                          Raveendra Torvi
                          Luay Jalil
                          Uma Chunduri
                          Zhenbin Li
                          Kamran Raza
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp-02.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2016-02-17

Abstract:
   Recent targeted LDP applications such as remote loop-free alternate
   (LFA) and BGP auto discovered pseudowire may automatically establish
   a tLDP session to any LSR in a network.  The initiating LSR has
   information about the targeted applications to administratively
   control initiation of the session. However, the responding LSR has no
   such information to control acceptance of this session. This document
   defines a mechanism to advertise and negotiate Targeted Applications
   Capability during LDP session initialization.  As the responding LSR
   becomes aware of targeted applications, it may establish a limited
   number of tLDP sessions for certain applications. In addition, each
   targeted application is mapped to LDP Forwarding Equivalence Class
   (FEC) Elements to advertise only necessary LDP FEC-label bindings
   over the session.



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I read this draft and agree that a mechanism is required to

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either for security or scale reasons.



In my view, this work is something WG consider adopting.



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Dear Authors, WG chairs, et. al,

I believe that the document thoroughly addresses set of very important and =
real issues in MPLS OAM and does that thoroughly. I support its publication=
. I have one comment:

section 1.3 references Downstream Mapping TLV defined in RFC 4379 as source=
 of information available to discover ECMP paths. But also mentioned in the=
 section RFC 6424 deprecated Downstream Mapping TLV in favor of Downstream =
Detailed Mapping TLV. I think that reference to DSMAP TLV is unnecessary in=
 the document or should be clarified by mentioning that the TLV is deprecat=
ed. Then references to DSMAP TLV throughout the document, I've found 11 of =
these, should be removed.



                Regards,

                                Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 1:40 AM
To: mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping@ietf.org
Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping



Working Group,



This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-e=
ntropy-lsp-ping.



Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org<mailto=
:mpls@ietf.org>).



There are three IPR disclosures against this document.



The document shepherd and working group chairs are frequently asked about t=
he working group discussions related to any IPR disclosures.



We like to remind the working group that discussion on the content and vali=
dity of an IPR disclosure should not take place on the MPLS wg list or any =
IETF mailing lists.



However we are looking for simple statements whether you think the working =
group should continue progress the document, regardless of an existing IPR =
disclosure. Please include this information in your "support/do not support=
" when responding to working group adoption calls and last calls.



All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on the wo=
rking group mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that rel=
ates to this draft.



Note: One of the authors - Nobo - has not responded to the IPR poll, we kno=
w that in his new role Nobo is an infrequent reader of IETF mails.

We have decided to go ahead with the wglc, while we continue to ping him on=
 the IPR poll. We have a pretty good idea off Nobo's response, but should t=
her be any "surprises" this will be brought to the attention of the working=
 group.



This working group last call ends March 08, 2016, however the wglc will not=
 be closed until we have all the responses on the IPR poll.





/Loa

for the MPLS wg chairs

--





Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com<mailto:lo=
a@mail01.huawei.com>

Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu<mailto:loa@pi.nu>

Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64



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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Dear Authors, WG chairs, et. al,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I believe that the document thoroughly addresses =
set of very important and real issues in MPLS OAM and does that thoroughly.=
 I support its publication. I have one comment:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:.5in">section 1.3 references=
 Downstream Mapping TLV defined in RFC 4379 as source of information availa=
ble to discover ECMP paths. But also mentioned in the section RFC 6424 depr=
ecated Downstream Mapping TLV in favor
 of Downstream Detailed Mapping TLV. I think that reference to DSMAP TLV is=
 unnecessary in the document or should be clarified by mentioning that the =
TLV is deprecated. Then references to DSMAP TLV throughout the document, I'=
ve found 11 of these, should be
 removed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson<br>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 1:40 AM<br>
To: mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping@ietf.org<br>
Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org<br>
Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Working Group,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">This is to initiate a two week working group last=
 call on draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing =
list (<a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text=
-decoration:none">mpls@ietf.org</span></a>).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">There are three IPR disclosures against this docu=
ment.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">The document shepherd and working group chairs ar=
e frequently asked about the working group discussions related to any IPR d=
isclosures.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">We like to remind the working group that discussi=
on on the content and validity of an IPR disclosure should not take place o=
n the MPLS wg list or any IETF mailing lists.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">However we are looking for simple statements whet=
her you think the working group should continue progress the document, rega=
rdless of an existing IPR disclosure. Please include this information in yo=
ur &quot;support/do not support&quot; when responding
 to working group adoption calls and last calls.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">All the authors and contributors (with one except=
ion) have stated on the working group mailing list that they are not aware =
of any other IPRs that relates to this draft.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Note: One of the authors - Nobo - has not respond=
ed to the IPR poll, we know that in his new role Nobo is an infrequent read=
er of IETF mails.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">We have decided to go ahead with the wglc, while =
we continue to ping him on the IPR poll. We have a pretty good idea off Nob=
o's response, but should ther be any &quot;surprises&quot; this will be bro=
ught to the attention of the working group.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">This working group last call ends March 08, 2016,=
 however the wglc will not be closed until we have all the responses on the=
 IPR poll.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">/Loa<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">for the MPLS wg chairs<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Loa Andersson&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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Working Group, Jeong-dong,

IETF encourage implementers of, and operators that deploy, solutions
specified in IETF RFCs and IDs to share this information. Normally we
request this information just prior to the publication request, but no
harm in receiving it earlier. We except this information to come from
the vendors implementing the  specification or the operators deploying
it.

Since this was brought up in the MPLS-RT review, we think it is
appropriate do do an early implementation poll.

    If you have or plan an implementation of RFC 7271 and the updates
    specified in draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates could you please share
    this on the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

    If you have or plan deployment of RFC 7271 and the updates specified
    in draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates could you please share this on the
    mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

    If you have special reasons this information may be sent to the mpls
    working group chairs directly.

/Loa
mpls wg co-chair



On 2016-02-24 23:02, 류정동 wrote:
> Mattew,
>
> Thank you for your review and comments.
>
> This work of updating RFC 7271 was triggered by
> comments raised by people working on three independent
> implementations of RFC 7271.
>
> I am not sure about the IETF and/or MPLS WG process of exposing
> the names of the companies that implement this RFC as it might
> be sensitive to some of those companies.
> But, as far as I know, there are more than ten equipment vendors who
> implemented or are implementing RFC 7271
> (or ITU-T Recommentation G.8131, which is in line with
> and has the same technical contents as RFC 7271).
>
> A few weeks ago, a South Korean government owned national backbone
> network started being operated with protection provided by RFC 7271.
> Also, we anticipate that major Korean network operators will
> use this technology when their packet transport networks are
> expanded or upgraded as they want to run their networks with
> implementations complying with Internation Standards.
>
> Regarding your comment on Section 4.1,
> the authors' intention is not to define any new state, like INIT.
> However, we understand that your comment is triggered by the facts
> that implementation of the last two bullets (SD and EXER)
> may require some internal states.
> we consider this is an internal implementation decision
> and outside of the scope of this document.
>
> For your nits on Section 4.2,
> we will incorporate them in revision.
>
> Again, I appreciate your time and effort to review the draft.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jeong-dong
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> 보낸 사람: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) [matthew.bocci@nokia.com] 대신 mpls [mpls-bounces@ietf.org]
> 보낸 날짜: 2016년 2월 22일 월요일 오후 8:41
> 받는 사람: draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates@tools.ietf.org; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org
> 참조: mpls@ietf.org
> 제목: [mpls] MPLS-RT review of draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates-02.txt
>
> Authors
>
> I have been selected as an MPLS Review team reviewer for
> draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates-02.txt.
>
> In general, I think the draft is technically sound and it is useful to
> provide clarification to sections of RFC7271 if it is the case that this
> is actually causing confusion to implementers. However, I would encourage
> the working group to think about how widely implemented and deployed
> RFC7271 is before progressing this work, since spending working group time
> on something that is not being widely implemented does not seem useful.
>
> Minor Comments/Nits
> ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
> 4.1
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates-02#section-4.1>
> .  Initialization Behavior
>
>     This section defines initialization behavior that is not described in
>     [RFC7271 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7271>].
>
> MB> It is a little unclear if this is adding a new INIT state to the state
> machine that you can transit to from one or more other states, or if this
> is just stating initial conditions before APS becomes operational. Please
> can you clarify?
>
> 4.2
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates-02#section-4.2>
> .  State Transition Modification
>
>     In addition to the initialization behavior described in Section 4.1
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates-02#section-4.1>
> ,
>     four cells of remote state transition table need to be changed to
>     make two end nodes converged after initialization.
>
> MB> s/four cells of remote state/ four cells of the remote state
> MB> s/two end nodes converged / two end nodes converge
>
>
>   Best regards
>
> Matthew
>
>
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I too have finished my review of this draft.  Like Matthew, I find the docu=
ment is sound; I didn't go through all the states, but the document present=
s its case well.  I'm conflicted on the question of further progression of =
the draft -- on the one hand, it is wasteful to put more time into fixing s=
omething which may  not have much deployment, but on the other, it is worse=
 to leave a protocol out there that's known not to work in some cases.

My two cents - this draft should be progressed to fix the state machine cas=
es, and then that should be it for TP.  Any new features should be strongly=
 weighed against market adoption.  And no, "lack of behavior $FOO" is not a=
 bug fix.




eric

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew
> (Nokia - GB)
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 6:42 AM
> To: draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates@tools.ietf.org; mpls-
> chairs@tools.ietf.org
> Cc: mpls@ietf.org
> Subject: [mpls] MPLS-RT review of draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates-02.txt
>=20
> Authors
>=20
> I have been selected as an MPLS Review team reviewer for draft-ryoo-mpls-
> tp-aps-updates-02.txt.
>=20
> In general, I think the draft is technically sound and it is useful to pr=
ovide
> clarification to sections of RFC7271 if it is the case that this is actua=
lly causing
> confusion to implementers. However, I would encourage the working group
> to think about how widely implemented and deployed
> RFC7271 is before progressing this work, since spending working group tim=
e
> on something that is not being widely implemented does not seem useful.
>=20
> Minor Comments/Nits
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> 4.1
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates-02#section-
> 4.1>
> .  Initialization Behavior
>=20
>    This section defines initialization behavior that is not described in
>    [RFC7271 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7271>].
>=20
> MB> It is a little unclear if this is adding a new INIT state to the
> MB> state
> machine that you can transit to from one or more other states, or if this=
 is
> just stating initial conditions before APS becomes operational. Please ca=
n you
> clarify?
>=20
> 4.2
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates-02#section-
> 4.2>
> .  State Transition Modification
>=20
>    In addition to the initialization behavior described in Section 4.1
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ryoo-mpls-tp-aps-updates-02#section-
> 4.1>
> ,
>    four cells of remote state transition table need to be changed to
>    make two end nodes converged after initialization.
>=20
> MB> s/four cells of remote state/ four cells of the remote state s/two
> MB> end nodes converged / two end nodes converge
>=20
>=20
>  Best regards
>=20
> Matthew
>=20
>=20
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Hi Loa,

I am not aware of any IPR for the subject draft other than that which was
disclosed in IPR statement 2546.

Thanks,
Nobo

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) <
cpignata@cisco.com> wrote:

> Loa,
>
> I am not aware of any relevant IPR for the subject draft, other that
> what=E2=80=99s already been disclosed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> =E2=80=94 Carlos.
>
> > On Jan 5, 2016, at 2:56 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
> >
> > Working Group,
> >
> > The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping has told us that
> > the document is ready to be considered for working last call.
> >
> > We will start an IPR poll prior to the start of the wglc.
> >
> > This mail starts the IPR poll.
> >
> > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-
> > lsp-ping?
> >
> > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
> > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
> >
> > There are three IPR disclosures filed directly against this document.
> >
> > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
> > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
> > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The
> > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
> > received from each author and contributor.
> >
> > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
> > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of an=
y
> > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
> >
> >
> > /Loa
> > mpls wg co-chair
> > --
> >
> >
> > Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
> > Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
> > Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Loa,<div><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)=
;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">I am not aware of any IPR f=
or the subject draft other than that which was disclosed in IPR statement 2=
546.</span><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calib=
ri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Thanks,</span></div=
><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:14px">Nobo</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata=
) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cpignata@cisco.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">cpignata@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">Loa,<br>
<br>
I am not aware of any relevant IPR for the subject draft, other that what=
=E2=80=99s already been disclosed.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
=E2=80=94 Carlos.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
&gt; On Jan 5, 2016, at 2:56 AM, Loa Andersson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi=
.nu">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Working Group,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The authors of draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping has told us that<br>
&gt; the document is ready to be considered for working last call.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; We will start an IPR poll prior to the start of the wglc.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This mail starts the IPR poll.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-<br>
&gt; lsp-ping?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules<b=
r>
&gt; (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; There are three IPR disclosures filed directly against this document.<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond t=
o<br>
&gt; this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant<=
br>
&gt; IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The<=
br>
&gt; document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been<=
br>
&gt; received from each author and contributor.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author o=
r<br>
&gt; contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of a=
ny<br>
&gt; IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<br=
>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; /Loa<br>
&gt; mpls wg co-chair<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Loa Andersson=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 email: <a href=3D"mailto:loa@mail01.huawei.com"=
>loa@mail01.huawei.com</a><br>
&gt; Senior MPLS Expert=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.=
nu</a><br>
&gt; Huawei Technologies (consultant)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0phone: <a href=3D"=
tel:%2B46%20739%2081%2021%2064" value=3D"+46739812164">+46 739 81 21 64</a>=
<br>
<br>
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Title: Liaison from MEF on IP Service Attributes
Submission Date: 2016-02-26
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Body: We would like to inform you that during our 1Q2016 meeting, MEF has approved a new project on IP Service Attributes. We have set out some background and further details below.

MEF is well known for the definition of Carrier Ethernet (CE) services (in MEF 6.2, MEF 33 and MEF 51) based on service attributes (defined in MEF 10.3 and MEF 26.1). In MEF terms, a "service" refers to the set of attributes and their values that are agreed between the provider of a serviceand the customer of that service. These attributes are independent of how the service is implemented; for example a CE service could be
implemented using Provider Backbone Bridging (802.1Q) or using VPLS (RFC 4761/4762) to provide the connectivity across the service provider's network. MEF defines both end-to-end services agreed between a subscriber and a service provider, where the end points are all User-Network Interfaces (UNIs), and inter-provider services supplied by one service provider or operator to another, where the end points may be UNIs or External Network-Network Interfaces (ENNIs).

Note that this differs from how the word "service" is sometimes used in IETF, e.g. to describe a particular technology (as in "Virtual Private LAN Service").

Although IP Services are widely deployed, there is currently no standard definition of the attributes and values used to describe them. Each Service Provider has their own way of describing IP services (including in some cases their own terminology); this makes it hard for customers to compare service offerings from different providers, and in particular makes it hard for providers to interconnect with each other – each Service Provider must form a specific bilateral agreement with each other Service Provider they wish to connect with.

Furthermore, there is a desire among service providers to improve service delivery times by automating the service ordering and configuration process. This is a key aspect of MEF Lifecycle Services Orchestration (LSO). The aim of MEF LSO is to deliver the MEF Third Network vision, to provide Assured, Agile and Orchestrated services. MEF LSO enables automation and orchestration of service ordering and management between service providers ("East/West interfaces") through the creation of standard data models and APIs. However, a pre-requisite for defining those is to have a standard definition of the service that is to be managed.

The new project is intended to address these issues by providing a standard definition of IP Services, including both end-to-end services and inter-provider services, through the definition of a standard set of Service Attributes that can be used in each case. The scope is limited to IP-VPN and Internet Access services  (IP peering/transit for internet traffic is precluded). It is intended that this project is the first step in enabling multi-operator service orchestration of IP Services using MEF LSO, and that later projects will use the Service Attributes to create standard data models and APIs. The intent of LSO is to provide a common framework across different service technologies; MEF is working with TMF and ONF to create common models for services, and the standard data models and APIs for IP Services will tie into this framework.

We have noted that IETF is working on a Yang model for Layer 3 Services in the L3SM working group. Although the scope of that project in IETF is different, it is clear there is some synergy between the L3SM work and this MEF project. We believe that both projects can benefit from input from each other and we hope to work closely with the L3SM working group to ensure our specifications are aligned.

The scope of the initial phase of the IP Service Attributes project includes:
-Definition of attributes for IP-capable UNIs and NNIs, for IP Service connections, and for IP Service End Points at UNIs and ENNIs
-IP address allocations and IP control protocols (e.g. DHCP) etc at UNIs
-OAM across the external interface (by reference to IETF protocols and mechanisms)
-Service Level Specification (SLS) definitions including performance monitoring/constraints (by reference to IETF protocols and metric definitions)
-Redundant links at an external interface (Subscriber/Service provider or between Service Providers), including options for different routing protocols.
-Multi-CoS services (i.e. QoS classification) and classification of Green/Yellow packets including diffserv, Bandwidth profiles, etc.
-IPv4, IPv6 and dual stack services
-Inter-operator IP-VPN services using options A, B or C from RFC4364
-Unicast only (multicast is defered to a future phase).
-Other topics may be added as the project progresses.

It is important to note that we intend to make extensive reference to existing IETF RFCs where applicable; it is not our intent to specify new protocols or mechanisms where there are existing solutions.

Note: further information about MEF LSO can be found in the LSO Reference Architecture. The final verison is expected to be published in March; in the meantime, the latest approved draft is available as below:
https://mef.net/liaison-login
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Hi,

I've done my AD review of this document. I'm not sure these are concerns or=
 I need clarification on the intention of this document:

1.      At first reading of this draft, no alarms were triggered as I was t=
hinking the aim was a profile of standard MPLS-TP OAM. But after some re-re=
ading, there is no explicit requirement for compatibility with the standard=
 MPLS-TP OAM solution? The abstract states "this document provides consider=
ations for the specification of new requirements to consider a new improved=
 mechanism". So it seems this draft is opening the door for an alternative =
method to be developed?
2.      I noted you did not use the name "MPLS-TP" in the title (only the d=
raft title). RFC5921 is very clear in defining MPLS-TP and MPLS-TP OAM and =
says any additional functions falling outside the scope of MPLS-TP will be =
treated as an evolution of MPLS. It would be a very slippery slope to say t=
hese are MPLS-TP requirements. To avoid confusion, the text also needs to b=
e explicit that these requirements are not associated with MPLS-TP but are =
applicable for both MPLS and MPLS-TP networks.
3.      Requirements should be scoped to requirements, then an assessment c=
an be made if the current standard MPLS-TP OAM (or MPLS OAM) can meet the n=
eed or not (e.g. replacing some of the wheels of the cart vs. needing to bu=
y a new cart). Suggest s/mechanism/solution in the document (including the =
summary) and toning down the negative assertions on MPLS-TP OAM will improv=
e the reading. In my comments below, I noted several negative assertions wh=
ich are not appropriate. Either reword to be objective or delete.
4.      Considering MPLS-TP is joint work with ITU-T, I checked for any lia=
isons specific to this draft (other than as part of a list of on-going work=
) and didn't find any? It would be good to give ITU-T a heads-up. Though it=
 would be best to tone down the negative assertions on MPLS-TP OAM first.

Thanks,
Deborah

Comments:

1.      This document is a combination of requirements and problem statemen=
t. The status needs to be "Informational", not "Proposed Standard".
2.      There are 6 authors listed on the front page.  According to RFC7322=
, the total number is generally limited to 5.  Please work among yourselves=
 to cut the number of authors.  Alternatively, can just list an Editor (pre=
ferred approach). Or you can produce a justification detailing the contribu=
tions of each author to consider an exception and the Document Shepherd wil=
l need to include it in the write-up for review by the IESG.
3.      The Abstract is too long -it needs to be shortened. There is no nee=
d to repeat the history and justification of MPLS-TP. While wordy, it is mi=
ssing any mention of "temporal", "temporary", or on-demand. Why not simply =
use the term "on-demand" (instead of three terms) which is used in other MP=
LS-TP documents? RFC6371 5.7.1 defines on-demand as initiated manually and =
for a limited time. Seems to fit.
4.      Introduction/2nd paragraph: "Similar to legacy technologies, MPLS-T=
P also does not scale when an arbitrary number of OAM functions is enabled.=
" I don't think it is appropriate in an IETF document to make negative asse=
rtions on ITU-T technologies, especially this assertion is actually depende=
nt on implementations and deployment. The same can be said for MPLS-TP. All=
 of the ITU-T Recommendations (as early as Y.1711) had this as a basic prin=
cipal. And it is stated (both ITU-T and IETF), it is for an operator to man=
age, but the solution should not limit. Remove.
5.      I don't think P-1 or P-2 help to justify the need and only weaken t=
he rationale. P-1 on "lowers the bandwidth efficiency" and P-2 on "manageme=
nt complexity" because of the shim header stacking was not discussed in any=
 of the MPLS-TP documents as a problem. And ITU-T Y.1711's requirement was =
that OAM packets were to be differentiated by label stacking and sublayerin=
g so these "problems" are not aligned with ITU-T's architecture for OAM or =
IETF'S (e.g. RFC6371). Considering MPLS also needs extra server layers for =
transport, I don't think the bandwidth penalty of extra labels is significa=
nt. If you insist to keep this "problem", you will need objective proof.
6.      P-2 problem on an "identifier management issue" paragraph is very q=
uestionable as to what it implies and this is not aligned with MPLS-TP requ=
irements. Supporting identifiers is REQUIRED by MPLS-TP OAM (and the other =
technologies). Whether or not an operator chooses to use them is optional. =
Operators can choose to utilize many managed entities or not. They choose t=
o use whichever functions are needed. They are not "forced" as stated here.=
 Not to support identifiers will have security implications. The negative c=
omments on OTN and Ethernet need to be removed. I have never heard an ITU o=
perator raise these concerns, and while ITU operators have argued over the =
format of identifiers, none have argued not to have them. Later, M-7 has an=
 identifier requirement. So not clear - are you going to use identifiers or=
 not?
7.      P-3 and P-4 while considered problems in this document, were not co=
nsidered requirements (or problems) in the original MPLS-TP OAM requirement=
s. This should be clearly described that what you want is in addition to th=
e original requirements. The summary statement needs to be reframed that th=
e intention is for operation of an MPLS network (not as stated for an MPLS-=
TP transport network) if you are not basing your solution on MPLS-TP's stan=
dard (hierarchical LSP) solution.
8.      Section 5: Packet Loss and Packet Delay in the original MPLS-TP OAM=
 requirements were only defined for MEPs (SPME is implemented as a MEP too)=
. These should clearly be identified as new requirements if you intend for =
a "MIP" to originate and terminate. It's very confusing to use standard ter=
minology of MEP/MIP but change the definition/requirements (e.g. section 6.=
6). You can't redefine a MIP functionality.
9.      Section 6.6: M-7 doesn't seem to align with the text. As this is th=
e first use of MEP/MIP need to spell out and provide a reference. The descr=
iption is difficult to parse - EPSM points do not correspond with MIPs or M=
EPs?
10.     Missing any requirements on compatibility/re-use with the standard =
solution.
11.     Security Considerations - incorrect reference. If the intention is =
not to support identifiers, the security considerations are not the same as=
 previous.
12.     As only a subset of the OAM requirements can be done, this doesn't =
seem to be "enhanced" compared to MPLS-TP OAM. May want to reconsider the t=
itle to state what it is "Requirements for Hitless On-demand LSP Segment Mo=
nitoring".
13.     I had some editorial nits though will wait for a re-spin of the doc=
ument. I've also asked for a Routing Directorate review - hopefully will be=
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<div>Hi,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I&#8217;ve done my AD review of this document. I&#8217;m not sure thes=
e are concerns or I need clarification on the intention of this document:</=
div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<ol style=3D"margin:0;padding-left:36pt;">
<li>At first reading of this draft, no alarms were triggered as I was think=
ing the aim was a profile of standard MPLS-TP OAM. But after some re-readin=
g, there is no explicit requirement for compatibility with the standard MPL=
S-TP OAM solution? The abstract
states &#8220;this document provides considerations for the specification o=
f new requirements to consider a new improved mechanism&#8221;. So it seems=
 this draft is opening the door for an alternative method to be developed?<=
/li><li>I noted you did not use the name &#8220;MPLS-TP&#8221; in the title=
 (only the draft title). RFC5921 is very clear in defining MPLS-TP and MPLS=
-TP OAM and says any additional functions falling outside the scope of MPLS=
-TP will be treated as an evolution of MPLS. It
would be a very slippery slope to say these are MPLS-TP requirements. To av=
oid confusion, the text also needs to be explicit that these requirements a=
re not associated with MPLS-TP but are applicable for both MPLS and MPLS-TP=
 networks.</li><li>Requirements should be scoped to requirements, then an a=
ssessment can be made if the current standard MPLS-TP OAM (or MPLS OAM) can=
 meet the need or not (e.g. replacing some of the wheels of the cart vs. ne=
eding to buy a new cart). Suggest s/mechanism/solution
in the document (including the summary) and toning down the negative assert=
ions on MPLS-TP OAM will improve the reading. In my comments below, I noted=
 several negative assertions which are not appropriate. Either reword to be=
 objective or delete.</li><li>Considering MPLS-TP is joint work with ITU-T,=
 I checked for any liaisons specific to this draft (other than as part of a=
 list of on-going work) and didn&#8217;t find any? It would be good to give=
 ITU-T a heads-up. Though it would be best to tone down the negative
assertions on MPLS-TP OAM first.</li></ol>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Deborah</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Comments:</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<ol style=3D"margin:0;padding-left:36pt;">
<li>This document is a combination of requirements and problem statement. T=
he status needs to be &#8220;Informational&#8221;, not &#8220;Proposed Stan=
dard&#8221;.</li><li>There are 6 authors listed on the front page.&nbsp; Ac=
cording to RFC7322, the total number is generally limited to 5.&nbsp; Pleas=
e work among yourselves to cut the number of authors.&nbsp; Alternatively, =
can just list an Editor (preferred approach). Or you can produce
a justification detailing the contributions of each author to consider an e=
xception and the Document Shepherd will need to include it in the write-up =
for review by the IESG.</li><li>The Abstract is too long -it needs to be sh=
ortened. There is no need to repeat the history and justification of MPLS-T=
P. While wordy, it is missing any mention of &#8220;temporal&#8221;, &#8220=
;temporary&#8221;, or on-demand. Why not simply use the term &#8220;on-dema=
nd&#8221; (instead of
three terms) which is used in other MPLS-TP documents? RFC6371 5.7.1 define=
s on-demand as initiated manually and for a limited time. Seems to fit.</li=
><li>Introduction/2nd paragraph: &#8220;Similar to legacy technologies, MPL=
S-TP also does not scale when an arbitrary number of OAM functions is enabl=
ed.&#8221; I don&#8217;t think it is appropriate in an IETF document to mak=
e negative assertions on ITU-T technologies, especially
this assertion is actually dependent on implementations and deployment. The=
 same can be said for MPLS-TP. All of the ITU-T Recommendations (as early a=
s Y.1711) had this as a basic principal. And it is stated (both ITU-T and I=
ETF), it is for an operator to manage,
but the solution should not limit. Remove.</li><li>I don&#8217;t think P-1 =
or P-2 help to justify the need and only weaken the rationale. P-1 on &#822=
0;lowers the bandwidth efficiency&#8221; and P-2 on &#8220;management compl=
exity&#8221; because of the shim header stacking was not discussed in any o=
f the MPLS-TP documents as a problem.
And ITU-T Y.1711&#8217;s requirement was that OAM packets were to be differ=
entiated by label stacking and sublayering so these &#8220;problems&#8221; =
are not aligned with ITU-T&#8217;s architecture for OAM or IETF&#8217;S (e.=
g. RFC6371). Considering MPLS also needs extra server layers for
transport, I don&#8217;t think the bandwidth penalty of extra labels is sig=
nificant. If you insist to keep this &#8220;problem&#8221;, you will need o=
bjective proof.</li><li>P-2 problem on an &#8220;identifier management issu=
e&#8221; paragraph is very questionable as to what it implies and this is n=
ot aligned with MPLS-TP requirements. Supporting identifiers is REQUIRED by=
 MPLS-TP OAM (and the other technologies). Whether or not an operator
chooses to use them is optional. Operators can choose to utilize many manag=
ed entities or not. They choose to use whichever functions are needed. They=
 are not &#8220;forced&#8221; as stated here. Not to support identifiers wi=
ll have security implications. The negative
comments on OTN and Ethernet need to be removed. I have never heard an ITU =
operator raise these concerns, and while ITU operators have argued over the=
 format of identifiers, none have argued not to have them. Later, M-7 has a=
n identifier requirement. So not
clear &#8211; are you going to use identifiers or not?</li><li>P-3 and P-4 =
while considered problems in this document, were not considered requirement=
s (or problems) in the original MPLS-TP OAM requirements. This should be cl=
early described that what you want is in addition to the original requireme=
nts. The summary
statement needs to be reframed that the intention is for operation of an MP=
LS network (not as stated for an MPLS-TP transport network) if you are not =
basing your solution on MPLS-TP&#8217;s standard (hierarchical LSP) solutio=
n.</li><li>Section 5: Packet Loss and Packet Delay in the original MPLS-TP =
OAM requirements were only defined for MEPs (SPME is implemented as a MEP t=
oo). These should clearly be identified as new requirements if you intend f=
or a &#8220;MIP&#8221; to originate and terminate.
It&#8217;s very confusing to use standard terminology of MEP/MIP but change=
 the definition/requirements (e.g. section 6.6). You can&#8217;t redefine a=
 MIP functionality.</li><li>Section 6.6: M-7 doesn&#8217;t seem to align wi=
th the text. As this is the first use of MEP/MIP need to spell out and prov=
ide a reference. The description is difficult to parse &#8211; EPSM points =
do not correspond with MIPs or MEPs?</li><li>Missing any requirements on co=
mpatibility/re-use with the standard solution.</li><li>Security Considerati=
ons &#8211; incorrect reference. If the intention is not to support identif=
iers, the security considerations are not the same as previous.</li><li>As =
only a subset of the OAM requirements can be done, this doesn&#8217;t seem =
to be &#8220;enhanced&#8221; compared to MPLS-TP OAM. May want to reconside=
r the title to state what it is &#8220;Requirements for Hitless On-demand L=
SP Segment Monitoring&#8221;.</li><li>I had some editorial nits though will=
 wait for a re-spin of the document. I&#8217;ve also asked for a Routing Di=
rectorate review &#8211; hopefully will be done early next week.</li></ol>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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