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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t206sm12312021wmt.21.2016.05.01.01.58.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 May 2016 01:58:59 -0700 (PDT) To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" , Sri References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> <571E229B.2090405@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A5E5C2@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <4CE8FDF9-E02E-42AE-AEC3-479057197CF2@cisco.com> <0DA662F9-7A98-4BAB-8BAB-61E69DE4F612@cisco.com> <2BD9AC4F-88D4-477A-A929-97E5B0C050AF@cisco.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <5725C551.5090700@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 09:58:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2BD9AC4F-88D4-477A-A929-97E5B0C050AF@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 08:59:04 -0000 On 30/04/2016 21:05, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote: > The RLD relevant to the calculation seems to be a characteristic of > the path on a segment, spanning multiple nodes. At first sight it would seem to be min(RLD) of all of the possible paths that might be taken between the segment end-points. This is quite a large calculation, since it requires a per egress node, all paths calculation to any possible next segment node calculation. However is an IPFRR repair is configured then the packet may travel on a path that would not normally be considered in a formal shortest path determination. In a network that might configure IPFRR, I think that RLD approximates to min(RLD) of the network, and will of course change as the network evolves in both the short term (failure, re-instatement, management change) and the long term (reconfiguration, new links, new equipment). The per network approximation of course massively simplifies things. There was some work in RTGWG that Mike, Alia and I did (sorry if I forgot anyone else) on how to advertise such domain wide semi-constants since it was needed for convergence time. - Stewart From nobody Sun May 1 05:05:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E4A12B03C; Sun, 1 May 2016 05:05:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ySJabz-Bjai4; Sun, 1 May 2016 05:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50F7B12B005; Sun, 1 May 2016 05:05:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=410; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1462104333; x=1463313933; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=OuKYHtvmUO7M8SS4VS1eCpceMAuZUgECjFlrbaTe9i8=; b=XSfuG08bmJEJD+dj9jemG9IthXnkSPQnb31MwsnKML5mZYq/DVM/hf1F hIx4U4rfeToZARITtD45o8q4D4iJpZ2bSDjzCJ6butrLWRMtVXQjcIl+9 /aUoMsKoza/b3VLZiSXSzXe7cA2F/Nkp+2J5KLTGJ4UKEZ5qMxexvEd/i s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AUAgAx8CVX/4QNJK1egziBUK4Wi2EBD?= =?us-ascii?q?YF2hhACgRo4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RBAQEBAwE6PwULAgEIGB4QIRElAgQOBYgVAwo?= =?us-ascii?q?Ivn4NhE4BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEVhiGBdgiCToJBgW8NgyuCKwEEl?= =?us-ascii?q?2MxAYhygy6Bd4FRAY0/h1GHXwEeAQFCg2tshimBPAEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,561,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="97537129" Received: from alln-core-10.cisco.com ([173.36.13.132]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 01 May 2016 12:05:32 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-019.cisco.com (xch-rtp-019.cisco.com [64.101.220.159]) by alln-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u41C5WFG027635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 May 2016 12:05:32 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com (64.101.220.160) by XCH-RTP-019.cisco.com (64.101.220.159) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Sun, 1 May 2016 08:05:31 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) by XCH-RTP-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Sun, 1 May 2016 08:05:31 -0400 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: Stewart Bryant Thread-Topic: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label Thread-Index: AQHRnvqiyJTa1iN2rkOldcR5st5EVZ+bPPSAgAAW1wCAAiwhAIAEQ8EAgAAI04CAAAv/gIABY+6AgADYD4D///ES8g== Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 12:05:31 +0000 Message-ID: <33C8DF7A-2598-46E8-B103-D33572A85876@cisco.com> References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> <571E229B.2090405@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A5E5C2@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <4CE8FDF9-E02E-42AE-AEC3-479057197CF2@cisco.com> <0DA662F9-7A98-4BAB-8BAB-61E69DE4F612@cisco.com> <2BD9AC4F-88D4-477A-A929-97E5B0C050AF@cisco.com>, <5725C551.5090700@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5725C551.5090700@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 12:05:35 -0000 > On May 1, 2016, at 04:59, Stewart Bryant wrote= : >=20 > The per network approximation of course massively simplifies things. If this is used, there's also non insignificant implications. You either: 1. Need the whole network to be upgraded in order to use this feature, or 2. Need to make network-wide assumptions about node's capabilities.=20 Thanks, Carlos.=20 From nobody Sun May 1 10:54:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2003112D14F; Sun, 1 May 2016 10:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ADmUbvDYiINs; Sun, 1 May 2016 10:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 703B012D14E; Sun, 1 May 2016 10:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id e201so83327230wme.0; Sun, 01 May 2016 10:54:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=ghWyOL3RN+nL+LvobysKcuUewwiXpXX96Aq7Rgnf2V8=; b=ok+sMgp0xa8zr6L9xzNZ2LXgbJaPkmGtL1slRulIXCRKk9mfIoVOwFCtubzgROGDc9 jSlqTcoG0B+IMPpAhhBAt3rH7yXev4G7/ZqvdtBVkskvMP+9VAN3AajAQQPqYWLwZsqc 8aVTZkgKkTFwbIlFCeBJj54rtIUIBC7SeUnGo1l+rSsSgXxTDLecgaj2ZZjhUnVNsXPI AXUVvkBBOkOdWIRIRTrVtqTPOoEvi/O75PL6fzI+zlGjiY3uvh3aifdKs15O9r2MnZUf zAo9k+ZS4Zgb8zRL4kZMFHgKIv2PDMNHWTFM2fVQPU4FU7xoj1tkKZkS5lv2vb8f21pA nVnw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=ghWyOL3RN+nL+LvobysKcuUewwiXpXX96Aq7Rgnf2V8=; b=Uy9vd7opQekI31az+hAFBqq4zk/USN/DBufkEmzzAbi+sDnmJ4PBTprz6b3/Fn9NlI TxL8rbUwN5ScwcYclOaYczkNdnaRUUOwL54ihCBPLllOVnxtf0lGc2VITve+3pksFkwp CyITVD5+ABuIb5l7MKdcBw7IyhEOAE17ilXCN5Ii9ZPaSAVYEeKUiwUL2K6BSIw+Jsjt o606G16OP73RtPLVbqhJ3j3jER9akTt64b2PNJyZczup+ndoPWUw54pkJJCks4eQ4fAJ WkkumdWVJu5Jr6u/wQEplGGcn5FvliAFQ1Ro9zyqmpp7L/wI1GjG0iZdnozYKLKpsrE+ 6yZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVPNxyRBoQ7b+ek3FUfOJb9JIDHiTKPs+E+zE9bCTejbyl8KwUiA9HbV1rpmc93ZQ== X-Received: by 10.194.184.38 with SMTP id er6mr31223648wjc.93.1462125281883; Sun, 01 May 2016 10:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.133] (host213-123-124-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com. [213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u4sm25945480wjz.4.2016.05.01.10.54.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 May 2016 10:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Stewart Bryant X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13E238) In-Reply-To: <33C8DF7A-2598-46E8-B103-D33572A85876@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 18:54:39 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> <571E229B.2090405@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A5E5C2@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <4CE8FDF9-E02E-42AE-AEC3-479057197CF2@cisco.com> <0DA662F9-7A98-4BAB-8BAB-61E69DE4F612@cisco.com> <2BD9AC4F-88D4-477A-A929-97E5B0C050AF@cisco.com> <5725C551.5090700@gmail.com> <33C8DF7A-2598-46E8-B103-D33572A85876@cisco.com> To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 17:54:45 -0000 > On 1 May 2016, at 13:05, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) w= rote: >=20 >=20 >> On May 1, 2016, at 04:59, Stewart Bryant wrote= : >>=20 >> The per network approximation of course massively simplifies things. >=20 > If this is used, there's also non insignificant implications. You either: > 1. Need the whole network to be upgraded in order to use this feature, or > 2. Need to make network-wide assumptions about node's capabilities.=20 >=20 In an SDN network it's pretty simple of course, since the controller should k= now all the equipment types and hence parameters. With a distributed routing system, the change is limited to the control plan= e - one new TLV - which is not great but reasonably tractable. - Stewary= From nobody Mon May 2 05:59:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6695312D15B; Mon, 2 May 2016 05:59:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.915 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.915 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N6kc3A15r0hN; Mon, 2 May 2016 05:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (relais-nor34.orange.com [80.12.70.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E6CC12B019; Mon, 2 May 2016 05:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr06.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.70]) by opfednr25.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id A8C40180894; Mon, 2 May 2016 14:59:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.66]) by opfednr06.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 7CD331A005B; Mon, 2 May 2016 14:59:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::e92a:c932:907e:8f06]) by OPEXCLILMA1.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::95e2:eb4b:3053:fabf%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0279.002; Mon, 2 May 2016 14:59:15 +0200 From: To: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label Thread-Index: AQHRnTVMcteLha4FPUqiNKIUGrWdS5+lpwIw Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 12:59:14 +0000 Message-ID: <7093_1462193955_57274F23_7093_10983_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F88318A@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 12:59:19 -0000 Hi authors, Please find below some comments on the document (=A74). - I would expect that network operator may need some flexibility to influen= ce the placement of the EL(s) based on the set of constraints.=20 - The need for load-balancing seems significantly dependent on the 1) relat= ive size of the flow (which is typically egress dependent) and 2) the prese= nce of ECMP paths (IOW, I may not care if node N does not see the EL, if no= de N has a single link/path toward the egress). This may lead to additional= requirements (e.g. advertising L2 ECMP which may not be currently visible = to the L3 ingress. For spring, eventually draft-ietf-isis-l2bundles may alr= eady do the job) Both points are not touched in the draft, and I think these additions would= improve the benefit of the draft. 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From nobody Tue May 3 07:35:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925E612D83B; Tue, 3 May 2016 07:34:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gYEvxdn4l6Z7; Tue, 3 May 2016 07:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBEAC12D836; Tue, 3 May 2016 07:34:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=18533; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1462286087; x=1463495687; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=6hapEK+4a5NqZEWnEcnwCcVDxluvGkBsuEWvYhVB5YY=; b=gMKK5CMKI/VhRpfuu3P9n9yWhPOF4kNfF8ROe7fbBv762fdU6gkfEqan wUT+rrldSLpB42Bh0G4MlPYYu7YVxZmN9c+udVUtRvZmihTFEeUxN1qho Ij+TaFRODtw4rmJBOVK2xXxtSX7eVPvBnRqeS1/EIQ1KIfOqyRTLWGfhi c=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,572,1454976000"; d="scan'208,217";a="677025390" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 03 May 2016 14:34:45 +0000 Received: from [10.63.23.130] (dhcp-ensft1-uk-vla370-10-63-23-130.cisco.com [10.63.23.130]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u43EYifm013526; Tue, 3 May 2016 14:34:44 GMT To: "Tarek Saad (tsaad)" References: <4A05DD10-0885-435C-9D13-9634388B9F4B@cisco.com> <20160429.122943.1926404425708749601.mbj@tail-f.com> <50BEAA4E-C645-4DCE-A992-44B14B4EFC43@cisco.com> From: Robert Wilton Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 15:34:44 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50BEAA4E-C645-4DCE-A992-44B14B4EFC43@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------57E5E5B11600F1732E20E271" Archived-At: Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , Martin Bjorklund , "netmod@ietf.org" , "teas@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-teas-yang-te@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] [netmod] Use of schema mounts for common model X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 14:34:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------57E5E5B11600F1732E20E271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Tarek, I'm also wondering whether using schema mount in this way might be a bit like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. With interfaces, there is a per device global list of interfaces where each list entry can have a different type and different properties. Currently these are using the iana:iftype to differentiate their different schema modes, but there is an idea to use more abstract identities. I'm not really familiar with the tunnel YANG models, but I was wondering whether the same approach has been considered for the TE tunnel YANG models at all? I.e. rather than having a separate protocol instantiation for each different data plane technology, instead have a per device global list of tunnels that hold the configuration and operational state, making use of when statements and identities (if required) to manage dataplane specific leaves. Each protocol specific data plane module could also maintain a protocol specific list containing leaf-refs back to the appropriate tunnels in the master list. Thanks, Rob On 29/04/2016 17:17, Tarek Saad (tsaad) wrote: > Thanks Martin, please see inline.. > > > On 2016-04-29, 6:29 AM, "Martin Bjorklund" > wrote: > > "Tarek Saad (tsaad)" > wrote: > > Hi authors/WG, > In draft-ietf-teas-yang-te, we are driving the definition for a > generic TE YANG model that can/may be used (and extended when > necessary) for different data plane technologies (e.g. MPLS, > OTN, WDM, > etc.). > Reviewing the schema mount idea presented in > draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount, we are thinking this proposal is > useful and can facilitate the reuse of the our model in multiple > places in the YANG tree (once per each technology), e.g.: > …/mpls/mount-points/mount-point/module=ietf-te.yang > …/otn/mount-points/mount-point/module=ietf-te.yang > > > Schema mount is probably not the right solution to your problem. I > think a better solution in your case is to define groupings. > Groupings are designed to be re-used at different places in the > hierarchy. > > > We thought of this earlier, and found groupings pose their own set of > challenges too.. Specifically: > - a groupings with leafrefs could not reference data nodes that reside > in another grouping > - a grouping with leafrefs of relative path were challenge when the > relative path references data nodes outside the grouping > - the augmentation of the grouping by other modules is not as > straightforward > > That said, the grouping proposal seems to > > one could also think that with groupings one could address reuse of > the a model (e.g. Ietf-interfaces) for logical devices or VM (see > below). In fact, in your draft (section 2) you explicitly discourage > this approach as not scalable solution > > > With the "uses" approach, ietf-interfaces would have to define a > grouping with all its nodes, and the new model for logical devices > would have to use this grouping. This is a not a scalable solution, > since every time there is a new model defined, we would have to > update our model for logical devices to use a grouping from the new > model. Another problem is that this approach cannot handle vendor- > > > > We have a comment/concern/suggestion and we value your feedback. > The generic TE model currently references data nodes in the global > tree (e.g. from the ietf-interfaces model to define additional TE > properties associated with a specific device interface). Our > understanding after reading section 3.1 of your draft is the > mounted > model can *not* reference any data nodes outside the scope of the > mount-point (e.g. global data nodes in the yang tree). This > poses a > limitation for us, do you have a suggestion for this problem? > One possible solution we thought of was to replace the leaf-refs > pointing to the global data nodes (e.g. Ietf-interfaces) with > context > names (e.g. the interface name).. This decouples the data-nodes > defined in the TE generic model from those in the global tree > (e.g. the actual interface ietf-interfaces model). Any feedback on > this or better suggestions? > > > If you use groupings instead, you can still use proper leafrefs. > > > Not in all cases — as described above. > > Regards, > Tarek > > > > /martin > > > > Regards, > Tarek > Excerpt from draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount > 3.1. > Augment and Validation in Mounted Data > All paths (in leafrefs, instance-identifiers, XPath > expressions, and > target nodes of augments) in the data models mounted at a > mount point > are interpreted with the mount point as the root node, and the > mounted data nodes as its children. This means that data > within a > mounted subtree can never refer to data outside of this > subtree. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --------------57E5E5B11600F1732E20E271 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Tarek,

I'm also wondering whether using schema mount in this way might be a bit like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

With interfaces, there is a per device global list of interfaces where each list entry can have a different type and different properties.  Currently these are using the iana:iftype to differentiate their different schema modes, but there is an idea to use more abstract identities.

I'm not really familiar with the tunnel YANG models, but I was wondering whether the same approach has been considered for the TE tunnel YANG models at all?

I.e. rather than having a separate protocol instantiation for each different data plane technology, instead have a per device global list of tunnels that hold the configuration and operational state, making use of when statements and identities (if required) to manage dataplane specific leaves.  Each protocol specific data plane module could also maintain a protocol specific list containing leaf-refs back to the appropriate tunnels in the master list.

Thanks,
Rob


On 29/04/2016 17:17, Tarek Saad (tsaad) wrote:
Thanks Martin, please see inline..


On 2016-04-29, 6:29 AM, "Martin Bjorklund" <mbj@tail-f.com> wrote:

"Tarek Saad (tsaad)" <tsaad@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi authors/WG,
In draft-ietf-teas-yang-te, we are driving the definition for a
generic TE YANG model that can/may be used (and extended when
necessary) for different data plane technologies (e.g. MPLS, OTN, WDM,
etc.).
Reviewing the schema mount idea presented in
draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount, we are thinking this proposal is
useful and can facilitate the reuse of the our model in multiple
places in the YANG tree (once per each technology), e.g.:
…/mpls/mount-points/mount-point/module=ietf-te.yang
…/otn/mount-points/mount-point/module=ietf-te.yang

Schema mount is probably not the right solution to your problem.  I
think a better solution in your case is to define groupings.
Groupings are designed to be re-used at different places in the
hierarchy.

We thought of this earlier, and found groupings pose their own set of challenges too.. Specifically:
- a groupings with leafrefs could not reference data nodes that reside in another grouping
- a grouping with leafrefs of relative path were challenge when the relative path references data nodes outside the grouping
- the augmentation of the grouping by other modules is not as straightforward

That said, the grouping proposal seems to 

one could also think that with groupings one could address reuse of the a model (e.g. Ietf-interfaces) for logical devices or VM (see below). In fact, in your draft (section 2) you explicitly discourage this approach as not scalable solution


   With the "uses" approach, ietf-interfaces would have to define a
   grouping with all its nodes, and the new model for logical devices
   would have to use this grouping.  This is a not a scalable solution,
   since every time there is a new model defined, we would have to
   update our model for logical devices to use a grouping from the new
   model.  Another problem is that this approach cannot handle vendor-



We have a comment/concern/suggestion and we value your feedback.
The generic TE model currently references data nodes in the global
tree (e.g. from the ietf-interfaces model to define additional TE
properties associated with a specific device interface). Our
understanding after reading section 3.1 of your draft is the mounted
model can *not* reference any data nodes outside the scope of the
mount-point (e.g. global data nodes in the yang tree). This poses a
limitation for us, do you have a suggestion for this problem?
One possible solution we thought of was to replace the leaf-refs
pointing to the global data nodes (e.g. Ietf-interfaces) with context
names (e.g. the interface name).. This decouples the data-nodes
defined in the TE generic model from those in the global tree
(e.g. the actual interface ietf-interfaces model). Any feedback on
this or better suggestions?

If you use groupings instead, you can still use proper leafrefs.

Not in all cases — as described above.

Regards,
Tarek



/martin



Regards,
Tarek
Excerpt from draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount
Augment and Validation in Mounted Data
    All paths (in leafrefs, instance-identifiers, XPath expressions, and
    target nodes of augments) in the data models mounted at a mount point
    are interpreted with the mount point as the root node, and the
    mounted data nodes as its children.  This means that data within a
    mounted subtree can never refer to data outside of this subtree.



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--------------57E5E5B11600F1732E20E271-- From nobody Tue May 3 19:47:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F1612D528 for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 19:47:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KU8hGDJ8srG4 for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 19:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cappuccino.rob.sh (cappuccino.rob.sh [IPv6:2a03:9800:10:4c::cafe:b00c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAAF012D1D8 for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 19:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2602:47:db2d:3f00:20b7:f15b:c103:ad3c] by cappuccino.rob.sh with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1axmpw-0003jZ-AO; Wed, 04 May 2016 03:46:52 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Rob Shakir Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 17:11:30 -0700 Message-Id: <3F1FE971-4C91-44E6-ADFF-CB5A78AD184A@rob.sh> References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> <571E229B.2090405@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A5E5C2@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <4CE8FDF9-E02E-42AE-AEC3-479057197CF2@cisco.com> <0DA662F9-7A98-4BAB-8BAB-61E69DE4F612@cisco.com> <2BD9AC4F-88D4-477A-A929-97E5B0C050AF@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" , mpls@ietf.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (13E238) Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 02:47:24 -0000 [readding mpls@] > On May 3, 2016, at 14:22, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) = wrote: >=20 > There=E2=80=99s another unanswered piece for me, which is: All those route= rs are advertising ELC and RLDs. As long as R5 and R10 are ELC, then you can= add EL/ELIs there. > BUT, what is the RLD of the *loose* path R1..R5 and of the *loose* path R6= ..R10?=20 RLD is unfortunately something that we have to deal with. There is nothing r= eally in the MPLS specs that tells us that an assumption that one can optimi= se hardware to have a shallow RLD is OK AIUI, but still we have many systems= that have a depth to which they can read. To this end, the way that we have implemented things is to assume that RLD =3D= min(network). This actually has implications for service implementations, s= ince your customer L2VPN MTU will be impacted by the number of pai= rs you need to allow room for within the core. Since a customer service must= work over all paths that reroute might happen over; most transport LSPs wil= l have at least a loose backup path option; and the fact that old hardware i= s long-lived - then min(network) seems to be the manageable and most robust o= ption to take.=20 So, your question, to me - please correct me if you don't feel it is accurat= e - comes down to whether the entity processing some label can find some ent= ropy within its readable depth. At the point that we have considered min(net= work) for the RLD then it does not matter whether the next label is a adjace= ncy or node segment we know that within our RLD then there is a pa= ir.=20 Note that the problem case I see here occurs when the RLD for the network be= comes sufficiently low. If it is set to 1 then we need to be able to push mo= re labels at the head end. In the worst case, the iLER can push fewer labels= than the least capable LSR can read. At this point, we are stuck - there is= nothing that can be done to satisfy all requirements. The approach that the= coauthors of this draft discussed tries to do the best it can to make entro= py available to all systems, since we know that not having entropy really h= urts for load-sharing - but it also does not mandate that a system does not s= end a packet that one system in the network cannot hash properly.=20 This comes back to the problem you presented around whether all systems must= be upgraded or not, the answer is no, rather like the existing EL behaviour= s. We essentially need to make an assumption about RLDs of the nodes that do= not advertise RLD. The first option is assume that RLD =3D 1, however, this= means potentially over-inserting ELs (the worst case would be that we do no= t know whether they, as midpoints, even know about the EL - and insert them e= ven though they cannot hash on them). The alternative is to assume they know= how to hash themselves (or simply are expected not to hash) when EL is not p= resent, since this has been true for systems historically. This results in s= ome cases where we do not have entropy but would desire it. Operators need t= o make choices themselves as to what to do here - which may include limiting= the label stack depth imposed by their policies on a head end, or doing LSP= stitching or segment-expansion somewhere else in the network.=20 There are many procedures here which come down to combining the various stan= dardised and non-standardised procedures that may be available to an operato= r to balance their requirements for entropy against their requirements for p= ath strictness, and the number of approaches deployed in their network.=20 Please let me know if there are things here that not clear, I am happy to ex= pand on them.=20 r.=20 From nobody Tue May 3 23:48:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E456B12D540 for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 23:48:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9CTg8HgVW2rA for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 23:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15BF512D1BD for ; Tue, 3 May 2016 23:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id e201so173806566wme.0 for ; Tue, 03 May 2016 23:48:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=pS7Ra8IM5UVr3fBfuhjDEeUoc+d5MgkhQNKS8Swt6nY=; b=xnZV6ndcOsNjivec07R9CH3n0rNOeIip33QpMpez0uzUxKEv3SUjB6zr09QF87veLm HKhBKuWc0tBTcAvbM/7NdBRNw9/gFemmu60KkoRYV9ROz96Bpy/3cDU+zvMkyeiC3nSy vk1s2oSMBftuMBikoxNTa4pcklCnXFdSsLxURdCgoknDF9mqzwGIiq/VBBbbDvEslD9Z hS9N4d+VUjCEB/KXH5q6SGyu9ht8IsK2UkLuBrvW/LCT4pR8IDHkGZ+freeoFPprEWHZ zWZtjv4B8aRuF35OlhyDofLIMllS/1NwYpK5iXm5KtkLbCmoERUBzmegFoRv5lmndf/t iFsw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=pS7Ra8IM5UVr3fBfuhjDEeUoc+d5MgkhQNKS8Swt6nY=; b=JtOx8SIqPyBgLfnV4F6Jr5J7vq60a8SVcHEIM5dsxK4L/y5Wm5OseZVkIJq8r7xkcF jq63SYFgx0dtfu397dsYjFGbLDFcEr3OcqhGs5NO/qBrdjp/skDlJh2ZlhSLQZAH2abd WF2JxXugs+7CHuY/hPMV+yBkkGBNS8PCoPA5iHQlwf5EXb0LY8aYlbgXaWc2D3EYAhtm F4x84NyBi0R7uiK6zm9st1B12ZQUBh6SJBCyVw2HGw3ToCkuu9FA8880k7ZKWpA8ZhyZ 1Rmx7i4oQc6NTeemloiJX59L5845DKpbeO4zkee4OALUUv+nttwFKzLkplhyGPQhZd8m N6Dw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWOv5Av96wk5ftp37JEZDTqbp6Ts3TZNQq4irZljMr9JkwH1STj/mUJJO81J375Dw== X-Received: by 10.28.109.86 with SMTP id i83mr29862089wmc.75.1462344516584; Tue, 03 May 2016 23:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.111] (host213-123-124-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com. [213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f11sm3094166wmf.22.2016.05.03.23.48.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 May 2016 23:48:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> <571E229B.2090405@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A5E5C2@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <4CE8FDF9-E02E-42AE-AEC3-479057197CF2@cisco.com> <0DA662F9-7A98-4BAB-8BAB-61E69DE4F612@cisco.com> <2BD9AC4F-88D4-477A-A929-97E5B0C050AF@cisco.com> <3F1FE971-4C91-44E6-ADFF-CB5A78AD184A@rob.sh> In-Reply-To: <3F1FE971-4C91-44E6-ADFF-CB5A78AD184A@rob.sh> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: <2AFE7C23-BCF7-461D-96FF-F134A5E1D870@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (13E238) From: Gmail Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 07:48:33 +0100 To: Rob Shakir Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" , mpls@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 06:48:43 -0000 When you get to an RLD of one, you ought to look at whether the (sub)stack i= s smaller if you use adjacency labels.=20 Stewart Sent from my iPad > On 4 May 2016, at 01:11, Rob Shakir wrote: >=20 > [readding mpls@] >=20 >> On May 3, 2016, at 14:22, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote: >>=20 >> There=E2=80=99s another unanswered piece for me, which is: All those rout= ers are advertising ELC and RLDs. As long as R5 and R10 are ELC, then you ca= n add EL/ELIs there. >> BUT, what is the RLD of the *loose* path R1..R5 and of the *loose* path R= 6..R10?=20 >=20 > RLD is unfortunately something that we have to deal with. There is nothing= really in the MPLS specs that tells us that an assumption that one can opti= mise hardware to have a shallow RLD is OK AIUI, but still we have many syste= ms that have a depth to which they can read. >=20 > To this end, the way that we have implemented things is to assume that RLD= =3D min(network). This actually has implications for service implementation= s, since your customer L2VPN MTU will be impacted by the number of = pairs you need to allow room for within the core. Since a customer service m= ust work over all paths that reroute might happen over; most transport LSPs w= ill have at least a loose backup path option; and the fact that old hardware= is long-lived - then min(network) seems to be the manageable and most robus= t option to take.=20 >=20 > So, your question, to me - please correct me if you don't feel it is accur= ate - comes down to whether the entity processing some label can find some e= ntropy within its readable depth. At the point that we have considered min(n= etwork) for the RLD then it does not matter whether the next label is a adja= cency or node segment we know that within our RLD then there is a p= air.=20 >=20 > Note that the problem case I see here occurs when the RLD for the network b= ecomes sufficiently low. If it is set to 1 then we need to be able to push m= ore labels at the head end. In the worst case, the iLER can push fewer label= s than the least capable LSR can read. At this point, we are stuck - there i= s nothing that can be done to satisfy all requirements. The approach that th= e coauthors of this draft discussed tries to do the best it can to make entr= opy available to all systems, since we know that not having entropy really h= urts for load-sharing - but it also does not mandate that a system does not s= end a packet that one system in the network cannot hash properly.=20 >=20 > This comes back to the problem you presented around whether all systems mu= st be upgraded or not, the answer is no, rather like the existing EL behavio= urs. We essentially need to make an assumption about RLDs of the nodes that d= o not advertise RLD. The first option is assume that RLD =3D 1, however, thi= s means potentially over-inserting ELs (the worst case would be that we do n= ot know whether they, as midpoints, even know about the EL - and insert them= even though they cannot hash on them). The alternative is to assume they kn= ow how to hash themselves (or simply are expected not to hash) when EL is no= t present, since this has been true for systems historically. This results i= n some cases where we do not have entropy but would desire it. Operators nee= d to make choices themselves as to what to do here - which may include limit= ing the label stack depth imposed by their policies on a head end, or doing L= SP stitching or segment-expansion somewhere else in the network.=20 >=20 > There are many procedures here which come down to combining the various st= andardised and non-standardised procedures that may be available to an opera= tor to balance their requirements for entropy against their requirements for= path strictness, and the number of approaches deployed in their network.=20= >=20 > Please let me know if there are things here that not clear, I am happy to e= xpand on them.=20 >=20 > r.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From nobody Wed May 4 00:48:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 12:50:30 -0000 Hi authors, As an additional comment, I'd like a see a more normative definition of "RL= D" as this is an important point for the interop. In particular, the grey zone is whether RLD is before the ELI, or include t= he EL, or include both the EL and ELI. Also, is RLD only applicable when EL= is used or is it also applicable when load-balancing is performed based on= the hashing of a stack of labels (a stack of RLD labels)? >From the description of the text, I think I read that both EL and ELI needs= to be within the RLD. But on the other hand, there has been a discussion o= n the mailing list about RLD=3D1, which would not even allow reading the EL= I label. Thanks, Regards, Bruno > From: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:59 PM >=20 > Hi authors, >=20 > Please find below some comments on the document (=A74). >=20 > - I would expect that network operator may need some flexibility to > influence the placement of the EL(s) based on the set of constraints. > - The need for load-balancing seems significantly dependent on the 1) > relative size of the flow (which is typically egress dependent) and 2) the > presence of ECMP paths (IOW, I may not care if node N does not see the EL, > if node N has a single link/path toward the egress). This may lead to > additional requirements (e.g. advertising L2 ECMP which may not be > currently visible to the L3 ingress. For spring, eventually draft-ietf-is= is- > l2bundles may already do the job) >=20 > Both points are not touched in the draft, and I think these additions wou= ld > improve the benefit of the draft. >=20 > Thanks, > Regards, > -- Bruno >=20 > > Working Group, > > > > This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mp= ls- > spring- > > entropy-label. > > > > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). > > > > There are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on the > > working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs th= at > > relates to this draft. > > > > This working group last call ends May 12, 2016. > > > > > > /Loa > > for the MPLS wg chairs > > -- > > > > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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From nobody Wed May 4 06:19:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0692212D1D7; Wed, 4 May 2016 06:19:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.608 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.608 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QnXx2N4-JAyC; Wed, 4 May 2016 06:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D28D12D112; Wed, 4 May 2016 06:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.4]) by omfedm13.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id F31043251B8; Wed, 4 May 2016 15:19:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.31.66]) by omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id A1EDD238079; Wed, 4 May 2016 15:19:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILMA1.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::95e2:eb4b:3053:fabf%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Wed, 4 May 2016 15:19:31 +0200 From: To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label Thread-Index: AQHRpgLPLvEkwF22aU2JkdPYBO7ORZ+owhSA Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 13:19:31 +0000 Message-ID: <26762_1462367973_5729F6E5_26762_562_2_de66e165-d751-4eb7-9b10-ff9d96812ad4@OPEXCLILMA1.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> <6755_1462365901_5729EECD_6755_4861_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F8956EC@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <6755_1462365901_5729EECD_6755_4861_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F8956EC@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.1] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_de66e165d7514eb79b10ff9d96812ad4OPEXCLILMA1corporateadr_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2478543, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.4.25.91516 Archived-At: Cc: "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 13:19:46 -0000 --_000_de66e165d7514eb79b10ff9d96812ad4OPEXCLILMA1corporateadr_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I think RLD is clearly expressed in : "An LSR may have a limitation in its ability to read and process the label stack in order to do multipath load balancing. This limitation expressed in terms of the number of label stack entries that the LSR can read is henceforth referred to as the Readable Label Depth (RLD) capability of that LSR. If an EL does not occur within the RLD of an LSR in the label stack of the MPLS packet that it receives, then it would lead to poor load balancing at that LSR." It refers to the number of label that the LSR can read. So as a consequence= , if you want to be able to read the EL, ELI+EL must be within the RLD. Oth= erwise the also described behavior will apply (poor loadbalancing). Is it fine ? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 14:45 To: draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Loa Andersson Subject: RE: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entro= py-label Hi authors, As an additional comment, I'd like a see a more normative definition of "RL= D" as this is an important point for the interop. In particular, the grey zone is whether RLD is before the ELI, or include t= he EL, or include both the EL and ELI. Also, is RLD only applicable when EL= is used or is it also applicable when load-balancing is performed based on= the hashing of a stack of labels (a stack of RLD labels)? >From the description of the text, I think I read that both EL and ELI need= s to be within the RLD. But on the other hand, there has been a discussion = on the mailing list about RLD=3D1, which would not even allow reading the E= LI label. Thanks, Regards, Bruno > From: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:59 PM > > Hi authors, > > Please find below some comments on the document (=A74). > > - I would expect that network operator may need some flexibility to > influence the placement of the EL(s) based on the set of constraints. > - The need for load-balancing seems significantly dependent on the 1) > relative size of the flow (which is typically egress dependent) and 2) > the presence of ECMP paths (IOW, I may not care if node N does not see > the EL, if node N has a single link/path toward the egress). This may > lead to additional requirements (e.g. advertising L2 ECMP which may > not be currently visible to the L3 ingress. For spring, eventually > draft-ietf-isis- l2bundles may already do the job) > > Both points are not touched in the draft, and I think these additions > would improve the benefit of the draft. > > Thanks, > Regards, > -- Bruno > > > Working Group, > > > > This is to initiate a two week working group last call on > > draft-ietf-mpls- > spring- > > entropy-label. > > > > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). > > > > There are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on > > the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other > > IPRs that relates to this draft. > > > > This working group last call ends May 12, 2016. > > > > > > /Loa > > for the MPLS wg chairs > > -- > > > > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou = copies sans autorisation. 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Hi,

 

I think RLD is clearly expressed in :<= /p>

"An LSR may have a limitation in its ability= to read and process the

   label stack in order to do multipath= load balancing.  This limitation

   expressed in terms of the number = of label stack entries that the LSR

   can read is henceforth referr= ed to as the Readable Label Depth (RLD)

   capability of that LSR.  If = an EL does not occur within the RLD of an

   LSR in the label stack of the MPLS p= acket that it receives, then it

   would lead to poor load balancing at= that LSR."

 

It refers to the number of label that the LSR can= read. So as a consequence, if you want to be able to read the EL, ELI+= EL must be within the RLD. Otherwise the also described behavior will apply= (poor loadbalancing).

 

Is it fine ?

 

Thanks

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 14:45
To: draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org
Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Loa Andersson
Subject: RE: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entro= py-label

 

Hi authors,

 

As an additional comment, I'd like a see a more n= ormative definition of "RLD" as this is an important point for th= e interop.

In particular, the grey zone is whether RLD is be= fore the ELI, or include the EL, or include both the EL and ELI. Also, is R= LD only applicable when EL is used or is it also applicable when load-balan= cing is performed based on the hashing of a stack of labels (a stack of RLD labels)?

 

>From the description of the text, I think I r= ead that both EL and ELI needs to be within the RLD. But on the other hand,= there has been a discussion on the mailing list about RLD=3D1, which would= not even allow reading the ELI label.

 

Thanks,

Regards,

Bruno

 

> From: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > Sent: Mond= ay, May 02, 2016 2:59 PM

>

> Hi authors,

>

> Please find below some comments on the docum= ent (=A74).

>

> - I would expect that network operator may n= eed some flexibility to

> influence the placement of the EL(s) based o= n the set of constraints.

> - The need for load-balancing seems signific= antly dependent on the 1)

> relative size of the flow (which is typicall= y egress dependent) and 2)

> the presence of ECMP paths (IOW, I may not c= are if node N does not see

> the EL, if node N has a single link/path tow= ard the egress). This may

> lead to additional requirements (e.g. advert= ising L2 ECMP which may

> not be currently visible to the L3 ingress. = For spring, eventually

> draft-ietf-isis- l2bundles may already do th= e job)

>

> Both points are not touched in the draft, an= d I think these additions

> would improve the benefit of the draft.=

>

> Thanks,

> Regards,

> -- Bruno

>

> > Working Group,

> >

> > This is to initiate a two week working = group last call on

> > draft-ietf-mpls-

> spring-

> > entropy-label.

> >

> > Please send your comments to the mpls w= g mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

> >

> > There are no IPR disclosures against th= is document.

> >

> > All the authors and contributors (with = one exception) have stated on

> > the working group mailing list that the= y are not aware of any other

> > IPRs that relates to this draft.

> >

> > This working group last call ends May 1= 2, 2016.

> >

> >

> > /Loa

> > for the MPLS wg chairs

> > --

> >

> >

> > Loa Andersson    &n= bsp;            = ;       email: loa@mail01.huawei.com=

> > Senior MPLS Expert   &nb= sp;            =           loa@pi.nu<= o:p>

> > Huawei Technologies (consultant) &= nbsp;   phone: +46 739 81 21 64

> >

> > _______________________________________= ________

> > mpls mailing list

> > mpls@ietf.org

> > https://www.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/mpls

 

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--_000_de66e165d7514eb79b10ff9d96812ad4OPEXCLILMA1corporateadr_-- From nobody Wed May 4 06:45:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0058C12D1CC; Wed, 4 May 2016 06:45:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.608 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.608 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tGZxNXqRAd-c; Wed, 4 May 2016 06:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F4F712D0F4; Wed, 4 May 2016 06:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.3]) by omfedm11.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 0E9B43B4EBF; Wed, 4 May 2016 15:45:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.31.31]) by omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id D63A44C048; Wed, 4 May 2016 15:45:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::e92a:c932:907e:8f06]) by OPEXCLILM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::8c90:f4e9:be28:2a1%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Wed, 4 May 2016 15:45:10 +0200 From: To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label Thread-Index: AQHRpgLPLvEkwF22aU2JkdPYBO7ORZ+owhSAgAABXpA= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 13:45:09 +0000 Message-ID: <28277_1462369514_5729FCEA_28277_10459_1_978925b5-4e17-4253-ac27-564e15e3bd5a@OPEXCLILM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> <6755_1462365901_5729EECD_6755_4861_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F8956EC@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921BB4735A@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921BB4735A@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.5] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_978925b54e174253ac27564e15e3bd5aOPEXCLILM22corporateadr_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2478543, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.5.4.132417 Archived-At: Cc: "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 13:45:23 -0000 --_000_978925b54e174253ac27564e15e3bd5aOPEXCLILM22corporateadr_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi St=E9phane, Thanks for the quote. I had read that sentence, and I think it could be mad= e more precise. e.g. OLD: This limitation expressed in terms of the number of label stack entrie= s that the LSR can read is henceforth referred to as the Readable Label De= pth (RLD) capability of that LSR. NEW: This limitation expressed in terms of the number of label stack entrie= s that the LSR can read. This document defines the Readable Label Depth (R= LD) as the number of labels that a transit LSR can read for load-balancing = purpose. When EL is used, both ELI and EL MUST be within the RLD, in order= for the EL to be used during load-balancing. Additionally, you did not answer my second related question: > is RLD only applicable when EL is used or is it also applicable when load= -balancing is performed based on the hashing of a stack of labels (a stack = of RLD labels)? A related point is whether a transit LSR not supporting EL, MAY/SHOULD/MUST= NOT advertise the RLD. (because transit LSR don't need to support EL to b= enefit from the improved load-balancing provided by EL) The question could further be refined when MPLS carry an IP packet and the = LSR perform load-balancing based on some hashing of this inner IP packet. Thanks, --Bruno From: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 3:20 PM To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN; draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf= .org; mpls@ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Loa Andersson Subject: RE: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entro= py-label Hi, I think RLD is clearly expressed in : "An LSR may have a limitation in its ability to read and process the label stack in order to do multipath load balancing. This limitation expressed in terms of the number of label stack entries that the LSR can read is henceforth referred to as the Readable Label Depth (RLD) capability of that LSR. If an EL does not occur within the RLD of an LSR in the label stack of the MPLS packet that it receives, then it would lead to poor load balancing at that LSR." It refers to the number of label that the LSR can read. So as a consequence= , if you want to be able to read the EL, ELI+EL must be within the RLD. Oth= erwise the also described behavior will apply (poor loadbalancing). Is it fine ? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:b= runo.decraene@orange.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 14:45 To: draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Loa Andersson Subject: RE: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entro= py-label Hi authors, As an additional comment, I'd like a see a more normative definition of "RL= D" as this is an important point for the interop. In particular, the grey zone is whether RLD is before the ELI, or include t= he EL, or include both the EL and ELI. Also, is RLD only applicable when EL= is used or is it also applicable when load-balancing is performed based on= the hashing of a stack of labels (a stack of RLD labels)? >From the description of the text, I think I read that both EL and ELI need= s to be within the RLD. But on the other hand, there has been a discussion = on the mailing list about RLD=3D1, which would not even allow reading the E= LI label. Thanks, Regards, Bruno > From: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:59 PM > > Hi authors, > > Please find below some comments on the document (=A74). > > - I would expect that network operator may need some flexibility to > influence the placement of the EL(s) based on the set of constraints. > - The need for load-balancing seems significantly dependent on the 1) > relative size of the flow (which is typically egress dependent) and 2) > the presence of ECMP paths (IOW, I may not care if node N does not see > the EL, if node N has a single link/path toward the egress). This may > lead to additional requirements (e.g. advertising L2 ECMP which may > not be currently visible to the L3 ingress. For spring, eventually > draft-ietf-isis- l2bundles may already do the job) > > Both points are not touched in the draft, and I think these additions > would improve the benefit of the draft. > > Thanks, > Regards, > -- Bruno > > > Working Group, > > > > This is to initiate a two week working group last call on > > draft-ietf-mpls- > spring- > > entropy-label. > > > > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). > > > > There are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on > > the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other > > IPRs that relates to this draft. > > > > This working group last call ends May 12, 2016. > > > > > > /Loa > > for the MPLS wg chairs > > -- > > > > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou = copies sans autorisation. 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Hi St=E9phane,

 

Thanks = for the quote. I had read that sentence, and I think it could be made more = precise.

e.g.

OLD: This limitation express= ed in terms of the number of label stack entries that the LSR  can rea= d is henceforth referred to as the Readable Label Depth (RLD)  capabil= ity of that LSR.

NEW: This limitation express= ed in terms of the number of label stack entries that the LSR  can rea= d. This document defines the Readable Label Depth (RLD) as the number = of labels that a transit LSR can read for load-balancing purpose.  When EL is used, both ELI and EL MUST be within the RLD, in= order for the EL to be used during load-balancing.

 

Additionally, you did not an= swer my second related question:

> is RLD only applicable = when EL is used or is it also applicable when load-balancing is performed b= ased on the hashing of a stack of labels (a stack of RLD labels)?

 

A related point is whether a= transit LSR not supporting EL, MAY/SHOULD/MUST NOT advertise the RLD. = ; (because transit LSR don’t need to support EL to benefit from the i= mproved load-balancing  provided by EL)

 

The question could further b= e refined when MPLS carry an IP packet and the LSR perform load-balancing b= ased on some hashing of this inner IP packet.

 

Thanks,

--Bruno

&n= bsp;

From: LITKOWSK= I Stephane OBS/OINIS
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 3:20 PM
To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN; draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@too= ls.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org
Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Loa Andersson
Subject: RE: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-sprin= g-entropy-label

 

Hi,

 

I think RLD is clearly expre= ssed in :

"An LSR may have a limi= tation in its ability to read and process the

   label stack in = order to do multipath load balancing.  This limitation

   expressed in te= rms of the number of label stack entries that the LSR

   can read is henceforth referred to as the Readable Labe= l Depth (RLD)

   capability of t= hat LSR.  If an EL does not occur within the RLD of an

   LSR in the labe= l stack of the MPLS packet that it receives, then it

   would lead to p= oor load balancing at that LSR."

 

It refers to the number of l= abel that the LSR can read. So as a consequence, if you want to be able to = read the EL, ELI+EL must be within the RLD. Otherwise the also describe= d behavior will apply (poor loadbalancing).

 

Is it fine ?

 

Thanks

 

 

-----Original Message----- From: bruno.decraene@orange.co= m [mailto:bruno.decraene@o= range.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 14:45
To: = draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org
Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Loa A= ndersson
Subject: RE: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entro= py-label

 

Hi authors,

 

As an additional comment, I'= d like a see a more normative definition of "RLD" as this is an i= mportant point for the interop.

In particular, the grey zone= is whether RLD is before the ELI, or include the EL, or include both the E= L and ELI. Also, is RLD only applicable when EL is used or is it also appli= cable when load-balancing is performed based on the hashing of a stack of labels (a stack of RLD labels)?

 

>From the description of = the text, I think I read that both EL and ELI needs to be within the RLD. B= ut on the other hand, there has been a discussion on the mailing list about= RLD=3D1, which would not even allow reading the ELI label.

 

Thanks,

Regards,

Bruno

 

> From: DECRAENE Bruno IM= T/OLN > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:59 PM

>

> Hi authors,<= /span>

>

> Please find below some = comments on the document (=A74).

>

> - I would expect that n= etwork operator may need some flexibility to

> influence the placement= of the EL(s) based on the set of constraints.

> - The need for load-bal= ancing seems significantly dependent on the 1)

> relative size of the fl= ow (which is typically egress dependent) and 2)

> the presence of ECMP pa= ths (IOW, I may not care if node N does not see

> the EL, if node N has a= single link/path toward the egress). This may

> lead to additional requ= irements (e.g. advertising L2 ECMP which may

> not be currently visibl= e to the L3 ingress. For spring, eventually

> draft-ietf-isis- l2bund= les may already do the job)

>

> Both points are not tou= ched in the draft, and I think these additions

> would improve the benef= it of the draft.

>

> Thanks,

> Regards,

> -- Bruno

>

> > Working Group,

> ><= /p>

> > This is to initiat= e a two week working group last call on

> > draft-ietf-mpls-

> spring-

> > entropy-label.

> ><= /p>

> > Please send your c= omments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).=

> ><= /p>

> > There are no IPR d= isclosures against this document.

> ><= /p>

> > All the authors an= d contributors (with one exception) have stated on

> > the working group = mailing list that they are not aware of any other

> > IPRs that relates = to this draft.

> ><= /p>

> > This working group= last call ends May 12, 2016.

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> > /Loa

> > for the MPLS wg ch= airs

> > --

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> > Loa Andersson = ;            &n= bsp;          email: loa@mail01.huawei.com

> > Senior MPLS Expert=             &nb= sp;             loa@pi.nu

> > Huawei Technologie= s (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64

> ><= /p>

> > __________________= _____________________________

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> > https://www.ietf.org/= mailman/listinfo/mpls

 

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I had read that sentence, and I think it could be > made more precise. > > e.g. > > OLD: This limitation expressed in terms of the number of label stack > entries that the LSR can read is henceforth referred to as the Readable > Label Depth (RLD) capability of that LSR. > > NEW: This limitation expressed in terms of the number of label stack > entries that the LSR can read. This document defines the Readable Label > Depth (RLD) as the number of labels that a transit LSR can read for > load-balancing purpose. When EL is used, both ELI and EL MUST be within > the RLD, in order for the EL to be used during load-balancing. > The definition of RLD must not specify conditions on when an EL must be used. RLD is a per LSR characteristic. Any recommendations on placing the EL must be specified outside of the definition. Sri --001a113df6c25e447e0532049760 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bruno,

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 6:45 AM, = <bruno.decraene@orange.com> wrote:

Hi = St=C3=A9phane,

=C2=A0

Thanks = for the quote. I had read that sentence, and I think it could be made more = precise.

e.g.=

OLD: This limitation expressed in terms of the numb= er of label stack entries that the LSR=C2=A0 can read is henceforth referre= d to as the Readable Label Depth (RLD)=C2=A0 capability of that LSR.=

NEW: This limitation expressed in terms of the numb= er of label stack entries that the LSR=C2=A0 can read. This document define= s the Readable Label Depth (RLD)=C2=A0as the number of labels that a transi= t LSR can read for load-balancing purpose.=C2=A0 When EL is used, both ELI and EL MUST be within the RLD, in= order for the EL to be used during load-balancing.

=

The definition of RLD must not specify conditions on when an EL m= ust be used. RLD is a per LSR characteristic. Any recommendations on placin= g the EL must be specified outside of the definition.=C2=A0


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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113d76f4593c280532074577 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 17:10:13 -0000 --001a113d76f4593c280532074577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bruno, Thanks for the clarification. On my first read of your last sentence under NEW it had seemed to me that it is placing a restriction on the ingress. On reading your clarification I understand that it is not your intent. So I accept the comment for the NEW definition but suggest that that we refer to RFC6790 rather than re-stating that EL is used for load-balancing. So how about this for sec 4 para2 (changes highlighted) - An LSR may have a limitation on the depth of the label stack that it can read and process in order to do multipath load balancing as described in [RFC6790]. This limitation expressed in terms of the number of label stack entries that the LSR can read is defined as the Readable Label Depth (RLD) capability of that LSR. If an EL does not occur within the RLD of an LSR in the label stack of the MPLS packet that it receives, then it would lead to poor load balancing at that LSR. The RLD of an LSR is a characteristic of the forwarding plane of that LSR's implementation and determining it is outside the scope of this document. I have not used your suggested sentence "...both the ELI and EL MUST be.." since the ELI is placed above the EL and if the LSR can read the EL, it can obviously have read the ELI. Thanks Sri On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 7:09 AM, wrote: > Hi Sri, > > > > > The definition of RLD must not specify conditions on when an EL must be > used. RLD is a per LSR characteristic. Any recommendations on placing the > EL must be specified outside of the definition. > > > > IMO, the goal of RLD is specifically to say that the EL needs to be withi= n > the RLD in order for the EL to be used for load-balancing. Otherwise, can > you clarify the goal of signaling this RLD? > > > > (That=E2=80=99s a different point compared to specifying the position of = the EL in > the stack, which is a freedom of the ingress. (although a secondary goal = of > this goal seems to be to reduce this freedom)) > > > > -- Bruno > > > > *From:* Sri [mailto:sriganeshkini@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 04, 2016 3:56 PM > *To:* DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > *Cc:* LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; > mpls-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] working group last call on > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label > > > > Hi Bruno, > > > > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 6:45 AM, wrote: > > Hi St=C3=A9phane, > > > > Thanks for the quote. I had read that sentence, and I think it could be > made more precise. > > e.g. > > OLD: This limitation expressed in terms of the number of label stack > entries that the LSR can read is henceforth referred to as the Readable > Label Depth (RLD) capability of that LSR. > > NEW: This limitation expressed in terms of the number of label stack > entries that the LSR can read. This document defines the Readable Label > Depth (RLD) as the number of labels that a transit LSR can read for > load-balancing purpose. When EL is used, both ELI and EL MUST be within > the RLD, in order for the EL to be used during load-balancing. > > > The definition of RLD must not specify conditions on when an EL must be > used. RLD is a per LSR characteristic. Any recommendations on placing the > EL must be specified outside of the definition. > > > > > > Sri > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez re= cu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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Hi Bruno,

Thanks for the clarification.= On my first read of your last sentence under NEW it had seemed to me that = it is placing a restriction on the ingress. On reading your clarification I= understand that it is not your intent. So I accept the comment for the NEW= definition but suggest that that we refer to RFC6790 rather than re-statin= g that EL is used for load-balancing. So how about this for sec 4 para2 (ch= anges highlighted) -

   An LS=
R may have a limitation on =
the depth of the label stack that it can read and process=20
    in order to do multipath load balancing as described in [RFC6790].  This limitation
   expressed in terms of the number of label stack entries that the LSR
   can read is defined as the Readable Label Depth (RLD)
   capability of that LSR.  If an EL does not occur within the RLD of an
   LSR in the label stack of the MPLS packet that it receives, then it
   would lead to poor load balancing at that LSR.  The RLD of an LSR is
   a characteristic of the forwarding plane of that LSR's implementatio=
n
   and determining it is outside the scope of this document.

I have not used your suggested sentence "...both the = ELI and EL MUST be.." since the ELI is placed above the EL and if the = LSR can read the EL, it can obviously have read the ELI.

Thanks
Sri

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 7:09 AM, &l= t;bruno.decr= aene@orange.com> wrote:

Hi Sri,

=C2=A0

> The definition of RLD must= not specify conditions on when an EL must be used. RLD is a per LSR charac= teristic. Any recommendations on placing the EL must be specified outside o= f the definition.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

IMO, the goal of RLD is = specifically to say that the EL needs to be within the RLD in order for the= EL to be used for load-balancing. Otherwise, can you clarify the goal of s= ignaling this RLD?

=C2=A0

(That=E2=80=99s a different poi= nt compared to specifying the position of the EL in the stack, which is a f= reedom of the ingress. (although a secondary goal of this goal seems to be = to reduce this freedom))

=C2=A0

-- Bruno

=C2= =A0

From: Sri [mai= lto:sriganeshk= ini@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 3:56 PM
To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN
Cc: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; draft-ietf-mpls-spri= ng-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-sprin= g-entropy-label

=C2=A0

Hi Bruno,

=C2=A0


The definition of RLD must not specify conditions on when an EL must be use= d. RLD is a per LSR characteristic. Any recommendations on placing the EL m= ust be specified outside of the definition.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Sri

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Hello,

As I see it the problem is that as we don't know the mount relationships early. All you can say in the constraint is "point at some interface". So having a specific path statement is not feasible.

Using instance-identifiers may help. While it is hard it is not impossible to constrain instance-identifiers. You can put a regular expression on their "string" representation, e.g.  rematch(.,'/.*/interface[name=.*]')

 This would alow you to point at an interface anywhere (as long as the list is named interface with a key called name :-( ). Note the regexp is not 100% OK.
regards Balazs

On 2016-04-29 22:55, Xufeng Liu wrote:
We still hope that schema mount can handle cross-referencing across mounted
modules. It is also needed when ietf-interfaces model is mounted to
logical-network-element  and network-instance models.

More comments for this case below in-line.

Thanks,

- Xufeng


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Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 1:05 PM
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<mbj@tail-f.com>

Cc: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; teas@ietf.org;
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Subject: Re: [Teas] [netmod] Use of schema mounts for common model

With regard to leafrefs trying to point into groupings, would

instance-identifiers

work for your use case?


In this case, it would be hard to specify the must conditions for these
instance-identifiers to make them always applicable when the groupings are
used in various situations. If we are willing to re-structure everything,
the method used in draft-halpern-supa-generic-policy-data-model could be an
option to explore. 


Yours,
Joel

On 4/29/16 12:17 PM, Tarek Saad (tsaad) wrote:

Thanks Martin, please see inline..


On 2016-04-29, 6:29 AM, "Martin Bjorklund" <mbj@tail-f.com
<mailto:mbj@tail-f.com>> wrote:

    "Tarek Saad (tsaad)" <tsaad@cisco.com <mailto:tsaad@cisco.com>>

wrote:

        Hi authors/WG,
        In draft-ietf-teas-yang-te, we are driving the definition for a
        generic TE YANG model that can/may be used (and extended when
        necessary) for different data plane technologies (e.g. MPLS,
        OTN, WDM,
        etc.).
        Reviewing the schema mount idea presented in
        draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount, we are thinking this proposal is
        useful and can facilitate the reuse of the our model in multiple
        places in the YANG tree (once per each technology), e.g.:
        ./mpls/mount-points/mount-point/module=ietf-te.yang
        ./otn/mount-points/mount-point/module=ietf-te.yang


    Schema mount is probably not the right solution to your problem.  I
    think a better solution in your case is to define groupings.
    Groupings are designed to be re-used at different places in the
    hierarchy.


We thought of this earlier, and found groupings pose their own set of
challenges too.. Specifically:
- a groupings with leafrefs could not reference data nodes that reside
in another grouping
- a grouping with leafrefs of relative path were challenge when the
relative path references data nodes outside the grouping
- the augmentation of the grouping by other modules is not as
straightforward

That said, the grouping proposal seems to

one could also think that with groupings one could address reuse of
the a model (e.g. Ietf-interfaces) for logical devices or VM (see
below). In fact, in your draft (section 2) you explicitly discourage
this approach as not scalable solution


   With the "uses" approach, ietf-interfaces would have to define a
   grouping with all its nodes, and the new model for logical devices
   would have to use this grouping.  This is a not a scalable solution,
   since every time there is a new model defined, we would have to
   update our model for logical devices to use a grouping from the new
   model.  Another problem is that this approach cannot handle vendor-



        We have a comment/concern/suggestion and we value your feedback.
        The generic TE model currently references data nodes in the

global

        tree (e.g. from the ietf-interfaces model to define additional

TE

        properties associated with a specific device interface). Our
        understanding after reading section 3.1 of your draft is the

mounted

        model can *not* reference any data nodes outside the scope of

the

        mount-point (e.g. global data nodes in the yang tree). This

poses a

        limitation for us, do you have a suggestion for this problem?
        One possible solution we thought of was to replace the leaf-refs
        pointing to the global data nodes (e.g. Ietf-interfaces) with
        context
        names (e.g. the interface name).. This decouples the data-nodes
        defined in the TE generic model from those in the global tree
        (e.g. the actual interface ietf-interfaces model). Any feedback

on

        this or better suggestions?


In this case, there are multiple augmentations to ietf-te.yang, such as
ietf-rsvp-te and ietf-sr-te. If ietf-te is a grouping, we cannot do the
augmentations before ietf-te is used. Using the grouping would be very
awkward when ietf-te is used. We would have to make the same many
augmentations at that time. Even worse, there could be future augmentations,
we cannot specify these augmentations now because they are not defined yet.


    If you use groupings instead, you can still use proper leafrefs.


Not in all cases - as described above.

Regards,
Tarek



    /martin



        Regards,
        Tarek
        Excerpt from draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount
        3.1<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount-

01#section-3.1>.

        Augment and Validation in Mounted Data
            All paths (in leafrefs, instance-identifiers, XPath
        expressions, and
            target nodes of augments) in the data models mounted at a
        mount point
            are interpreted with the mount point as the root node, and

the

            mounted data nodes as its children.  This means that data
        within a
            mounted subtree can never refer to data outside of this

subtree.




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HTTP; Fri, 6 May 2016 07:21:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20716_1462527286_572C6536_20716_535_1_f9e5c91f-4972-4fc3-bad0-d8ae35995438@OPEXCLILM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> <6755_1462365901_5729EECD_6755_4861_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F8956EC@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921BB4735A@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <28277_1462369514_5729FCEA_28277_10459_1_978925b5-4e17-4253-ac27-564e15e3bd5a@OPEXCLILM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <5412_1462370955_572A028B_5412_8121_1_cd0351fa-43ef-49eb-b7e0-543ae974c600@OPEXCLILM33.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <20716_1462527286_572C6536_20716_535_1_f9e5c91f-4972-4fc3-bad0-d8ae35995438@OPEXCLILM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Sri Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 07:21:49 -0700 Message-ID: To: Bruno Decraene Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1137bac8c74ac405322d2f87 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 14:22:23 -0000 --001a1137bac8c74ac405322d2f87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bruno, See inline. On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 2:34 AM, wrote: > Hi Sri, > > > > Thanks for the follow up. > > As previously asked, is RLD specific to the use of the entropy label or > not? Let=E2=80=99s remember that multipath load balancing existed before = EL, and > that transit LSR not compliant with EL can still benefit from the presenc= e > of the EL label. > > If RLD is not specific to EL, I=E2=80=99m not certain that adding the ref= erence to > RFC6790 is the best way to clarify. > Sri> RLD is not specific to EL. RFC6790 Section 1 gives a very good explanation of how load-balancing is done (even before it gets to EL) and such text is not present in other RFCs. But I can understand how this reference can be interpreted as EL specific. So I am fine with not using that reference as I suggested. > In all cases, this point should be stated in the document defining RLD. > (which may be this one, of maybe the IGP extensions if draft-ietf-mpls-sp= ring-entropy-label > gets informational). > > > > > I have not used your suggested sentence "...both the ELI and EL MUST > be.." since the ELI is placed above the EL and if the LSR can read the EL= , > it can obviously have read the ELI. > > Agreed. Yet mentioning both labels helps the reader to remember that the > limit for the number of =E2=80=9Cuseful=E2=80=9D labels is RLD-2. (I mean= useful for > steering the packet, I=E2=80=99m not implying that EL is not useful). Thi= s may be > obvious for people coming from the EL space, but less for people coming > from the spring space, especially since the text often refers to a/the > (i.e. one) EL label. But this points could indeed be stated elsewhere. > > Sri> I see your point. I will include that. > > > Thanks, > > -- Bruno > > > > *From:* Sri [mailto:sriganeshkini@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 04, 2016 7:08 PM > > *To:* DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > *Cc:* LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; > mpls-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] working group last call on > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label > > > > Hi Bruno, > > > > Thanks for the clarification. On my first read of your last sentence unde= r > NEW it had seemed to me that it is placing a restriction on the ingress. = On > reading your clarification I understand that it is not your intent. So I > accept the comment for the NEW definition but suggest that that we refer = to > RFC6790 rather than re-stating that EL is used for load-balancing. So how > about this for sec 4 para2 (changes highlighted) - > > > > An LSR may have a limitation on the depth of the label stack that it c= an read and process > > in order to do multipath load balancing as described in [RFC6790]. T= his limitation > > expressed in terms of the number of label stack entries that the LSR > > can read is defined as the Readable Label Depth (RLD) > > capability of that LSR. If an EL does not occur within the RLD of an > > LSR in the label stack of the MPLS packet that it receives, then it > > would lead to poor load balancing at that LSR. The RLD of an LSR is > > a characteristic of the forwarding plane of that LSR's implementation > > and determining it is outside the scope of this document. > > > > I have not used your suggested sentence "...both the ELI and EL MUST be..= " > since the ELI is placed above the EL and if the LSR can read the EL, it c= an > obviously have read the ELI. > > > > Thanks > > Sri > > > > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 7:09 AM, wrote: > > Hi Sri, > > > > > The definition of RLD must not specify conditions on when an EL must be > used. RLD is a per LSR characteristic. Any recommendations on placing the > EL must be specified outside of the definition. > > > > IMO, the goal of RLD is specifically to say that the EL needs to be withi= n > the RLD in order for the EL to be used for load-balancing. Otherwise, can > you clarify the goal of signaling this RLD? > > > > (That=E2=80=99s a different point compared to specifying the position of = the EL in > the stack, which is a freedom of the ingress. (although a secondary goal = of > this goal seems to be to reduce this freedom)) > > > > -- Bruno > > > > *From:* Sri [mailto:sriganeshkini@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 04, 2016 3:56 PM > *To:* DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > *Cc:* LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; > mpls-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] working group last call on > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label > > > > Hi Bruno, > > > > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 6:45 AM, wrote: > > Hi St=C3=A9phane, > > > > Thanks for the quote. I had read that sentence, and I think it could be > made more precise. > > e.g. > > OLD: This limitation expressed in terms of the number of label stack > entries that the LSR can read is henceforth referred to as the Readable > Label Depth (RLD) capability of that LSR. > > NEW: This limitation expressed in terms of the number of label stack > entries that the LSR can read. This document defines the Readable Label > Depth (RLD) as the number of labels that a transit LSR can read for > load-balancing purpose. When EL is used, both ELI and EL MUST be within > the RLD, in order for the EL to be used during load-balancing. > > > The definition of RLD must not specify conditions on when an EL must be > used. RLD is a per LSR characteristic. Any recommendations on placing the > EL must be specified outside of the definition. > > > > > > Sri > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez re= cu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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Hi Bruno,

See inline.

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 2:34= AM, <bruno.decraene@orange.com> wrote:

Hi Sri,

=C2=A0

Thanks for= the follow up.

As previou= sly asked, is RLD specific to the use of the entropy label or not? Let=E2= =80=99s remember that multipath load balancing existed before EL, and that transit LSR not compliant with EL can still benefit from the presence= of the EL label.

If RLD is = not specific to EL, I=E2=80=99m not certain that adding the reference to RF= C6790 is the best way to clarify.

<= br>
Sri> RLD is not specific to EL. RFC6790 Section 1 gives a = very good explanation of how load-balancing is done (even before it gets to= EL) and such text is not present in other RFCs. But I can understand how t= his reference can be interpreted as EL specific. So I am fine with not usin= g that reference as I suggested.
=C2=A0

=

In all cas= es, this point should be stated in the document defining RLD. (which may be= this one, of maybe the IGP extensions if draft-ietf-mpls-spring-ent= ropy-label gets informational).

=C2= =A0

> I have not used your sugge= sted sentence "...both the ELI and EL MUST be.." since the ELI is= placed above the EL and if the LSR can read the EL, it can obviously have = read the ELI.

Agr= eed. Yet mentioning both labels helps the reader to remember that the limit= for the number of =E2=80=9Cuseful=E2=80=9D labels is RLD-2. (I mean useful= for steering the packet, I=E2=80=99m not implying that EL is not useful). This may be o= bvious for people coming from the EL space, but less for people coming from= the spring space, especially since the text often refers to a/the (i.e. on= e) EL label. But this points could indeed be stated elsewhere.


Sri> I see your poi= nt. I will include that.
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks,=

-- Bruno

=C2= =A0

From: Sri [mai= lto:sriganeshk= ini@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 7:08 PM


To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN
Cc: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; draft-ietf-mpls-spri= ng-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-sprin= g-entropy-label

=C2=A0

Hi Bruno,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the clarification. On my first read of yo= ur last sentence under NEW it had seemed to me that it is placing a restric= tion on the ingress. On reading your clarification I understand that it is = not your intent. So I accept the comment for the NEW definition but suggest that that we refer to RFC6790 rather th= an re-stating that EL is used for load-balancing. So how about this for sec= 4 para2 (changes highlighted) -

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 An LSR may have a limitation =
on the depth of the label stack that it c=
an read and process 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0in order to do mul=
tipath load balancing as described in [RF=
C6790].=C2=A0 This limitation
=C2=A0=C2=A0 expressed in terms of the num=
ber of label stack entries that the LSR
 =C2=A0=C2=A0can read is defined as the Readable Label Depth (RLD)=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 capability of that LSR.=C2=A0=
 If an EL does not occur within the RLD of an
=C2=A0=C2=A0 LSR in the label stack of the=
 MPLS packet that it receives, then it
=C2=A0=C2=A0 would lead to poor load balan=
cing at that LSR.=C2=A0 The RLD of an LSR is
=C2=A0=C2=A0 a characteristic of the forwa=
rding plane of that LSR's implementation
=C2=A0=C2=A0 and determining it is outside=
 the scope of this document.

=C2=A0

I have not used your suggested sentence "...bot= h the ELI and EL MUST be.." since the ELI is placed above the EL and i= f the LSR can read the EL, it can obviously have read the ELI.

=C2=A0

Thanks

Sri

=C2=A0

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 7:09 AM, <bruno.decraene@orange.com> wrote:

Hi Sri,<= /u>

=C2=A0

> The definition of RLD must= not specify conditions on when an EL must be used. RLD is a per LSR charac= teristic. Any recommendations on placing the EL must be specified outside of the definition.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

IMO, the goal of RLD is specifi= cally to say that the EL needs to be within the RLD in order for the EL to = be used for load-balancing. Otherwise, can you clarify the goal of signaling this RLD?

=C2=A0

(That=E2=80=99s a different poi= nt compared to specifying the position of the EL in the stack, which is a f= reedom of the ingress. (although a secondary goal of this goal seems to be to reduce this freedom))

=C2=A0

-- Bruno

=C2=A0

From: Sri [mai= lto:sriganeshk= ini@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 3:56 PM
To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN
Cc: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-sprin= g-entropy-label

=C2=A0

Hi Bruno,

=C2=A0


The definition of RLD must not specify conditions on when an EL must be use= d. RLD is a per LSR characteristic. Any recommendations on placing the EL m= ust be specified outside of the definition.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Sri

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modified, changed or falsified.
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--001a1137bac8c74ac405322d2f87-- From nobody Fri May 6 08:37:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CC912D6A9; Fri, 6 May 2016 08:37:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Liaison Statement Management Tool To: "Adrian Farrel" , "Benoit Claise" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160506153702.26281.830.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 08:37:02 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: =?utf-8?b?PGJpbGwud3VAaHVhd2VpLmNvbT4sICJHZW9yZ2UgU3dhbGxvdyIgPHN3YWxsb3cu?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?b?TGlzdCIgPGlwcG1AaWV0Zi5vcmc+LCAiSm9lbCBKYWVnZ2xpIiA8am9lbGphQGJv?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?q?rammell=2Ech=3E=2C_=22Multiprotocol_Label_Switching_Discussion_Li?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?q?sco=2Ecom=3E?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?q?=2Eietf=40gmail=2Ecom=3E=2C_=22IP_Performance_Metrics_Discussion_?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?b?c3QiIDxtcGxzQGlldGYub3JnPiwgIkFsdmFybyBSZXRhbmEiIDxhcmV0YW5hQGNp?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?q?VPN_Service_Model_Discussion_List=22_=3Cl3sm=40ietf=2Eorg=3E=2C_?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?b?Lm51PiwgIkFkcmlhbiBGYXJyZWwiIDxhZHJpYW5Ab2xkZG9nLmNvLnVrPiwgIk1p?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?b?cmphIEvDvGhsZXdpbmQiIDxpZXRmQGt1ZWhsZXdpbmQubmV0PiwgIlFpbiBXdSIg?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?b?Z3VzLmNvbT4sICJUaGUgSUVURiBDaGFpciIgPGNoYWlyQGlldGYub3JnPiwgIkwz?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?b?IENhbGxvbiIgPHJjYWxsb25AanVuaXBlci5uZXQ+LCAiQWxpYSBBdGxhcyIgPGFr?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?q?=22Benoit_Claise=22_=3Cbclaise=40cisco=2Ecom=3E=2C_=22Deborah_Bru?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?q?atlas=40gmail=2Ecom=3E=2C_=22Spencer_Dawkins=22_=3Cspencerdawkins?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?b?bmdhcmQiIDxkYjM1NDZAYXR0LmNvbT4sICJMb2EgQW5kZXJzc29uIiA8bG9hQHBp?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?b?IlJhZ2h1IFJhbmdhbmF0aGFuIiA8cnJhZ2h1QGNpZW5hLmNvbT4sICJSb3Nz?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?b?Y29tPiwgcnJhZ2h1QGNpZW5hLmNvbSwgIkJyaWFuIFRyYW1tZWxsIiA8aWV0ZkB0?=@ietfa.amsl.com, =?utf-8?b?aWV0ZkBnbWFpbC5jb20+LCAiQmlsbCBDZXJ2ZW55IiA8aWV0ZkB3amNlcnZlbnku?=@ietfa.amsl.com Subject: [mpls] New Liaison Statement, "Liaison Response from MEF on IP Services" X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 15:37:02 -0000 Title: Liaison Response from MEF on IP Services Submission Date: 2016-05-06 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1472/ From: "MEF Liaison" To: Adrian Farrel ,Benoit Claise Cc: Alvaro Retana ,Joel Jaeggli ,Deborah Brungard ,IP Performance Metrics Discussion List ,Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List ,Adrian Farrel ,Ross Callon ,Bill Cerveny ,Brian Trammell ,Spencer Dawkins ,George Swallow ,Alia Atlas ,Mirja Kühlewind ,The IETF Chair ,L3VPN Service Model Discussion List ,Loa Andersson ,Benoit Claise ,Qin Wu ,Raghu Ranganathan , Response Contacts: rraghu@ciena.com Technical Contacts: Purpose: In response Referenced liaison: Response to Liaison Statement on IP Service Attributes 2016-02-26 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1471/) Body: We would like to thank you for your liaison of 14th April 2016. As you requested, we have encouraged MEF members to submit any feedback they have on the L3SM draft directly to the L3SM working group. We would like to clarify that the scope of the current MEF project is to develop Service Attribute definitions; it is not in the scope of the current project to create a Yang module. However, the IP Service Attributes project has been studying the L3SM draft to ensure that our attribute definitions are aligned with it as much as possible. It is hoped that this will enable a future MEF project that develops a Yang model to define it as an extension of the L3SM model, as you suggest. The next MEF meetings are: August 1-4, 2016 – Boston, USA October 24-27, 2016 - Ottawa, Canada Attachments: Liaison Response from MEF on IP Services https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2016-05-06-mef-ippm-mpls-ops-l3sm-liaison-response-from-mef-on-ip-services-attachment-1.pdf From nobody Fri May 6 17:02:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6789A12B017; Fri, 6 May 2016 17:02:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160507000237.7344.47601.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 17:02:37 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp-04.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2016 00:02:38 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF. Title : Application-aware Targeted LDP Authors : Santosh Esale Raveendra Torvi Luay Jalil Uma Chunduri Kamran Raza Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp-04.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2016-05-06 Abstract: Recent targeted LDP (tLDP) applications such as remote loop-free alternate (LFA) and BGP auto discovered pseudowire may automatically establish a tLDP session to any LSR in a network. The initiating LSR has information about the targeted applications to administratively control initiation of the session. However, the responding LSR has no such information to control acceptance of this session. This document defines a mechanism to advertise and negotiate Targeted Applications Capability (TAC) during LDP session initialization. As the responding LSR becomes aware of targeted applications, it may establish a limited number of tLDP sessions for certain applications. In addition, each targeted application is mapped to LDP Forwarding Equivalence Class (FEC) Elements to advertise only necessary LDP FEC- label bindings over the session. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri May 6 19:06:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EA212D112; Fri, 6 May 2016 19:06:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lqqpaREB0tYH; Fri, 6 May 2016 19:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C92B512D19D; Fri, 6 May 2016 19:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [112.204.191.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0892418013C8; Sat, 7 May 2016 04:06:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Loa Andersson To: "mpls@ietf.org" Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 10:06:05 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2016 02:06:17 -0000 Working Group, This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp. Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). There were one IPR disclosure against the individual draft that this document replaced. The document shepherd and working group chairs are frequently asked about the working group discussions related to any IPR disclosures. We like to remind the working group that discussion on the content and validity of an IPR disclosure should not take place on the MPLS wg list or any IETF mailing lists. However we are looking for simple statements whether you think the working group should continue progress the document, regardless of an existing IPR disclosure. Please include this information in your "support/do not support" when responding to working group adoption calls and last calls. All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to this draft. This working group last call ends May 22, 2016. /Loa for the MPLS wg chairs -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Fri May 6 22:18:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C407912D115; Fri, 6 May 2016 22:18:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VSVSg6jlM6i9; Fri, 6 May 2016 22:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3FAF12B04F; Fri, 6 May 2016 22:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [112.204.191.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A822180145E; Sat, 7 May 2016 07:18:01 +0200 (CEST) To: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org" References: <571A2101.9050106@pi.nu> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <664e5a57-ba1f-2ae3-94c6-9c82b3e3bceb@pi.nu> Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 13:17:57 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <571A2101.9050106@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] Closed: working group adption poll on draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2016 05:18:06 -0000 Working Group, This working group adoption poll is closed and we have a new wg document. Can the authors please post a new version: draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-00 With no other changes than fielname, version number and dates, compared to the document that was polled. /Loa mpls wg co-chair On 2016-04-22 21:02, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > This is to start a two week poll to see if we have consensus to > adopt draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping as an MPLS working > group document. > > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working > group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical > motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that > the document should not be adopted as a working group document. > > There are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > All the authors has stated that they are not aware of any IPRs that > relate to this document. In all but one case this has been done on the > on the mpls wg mailing list, in the last case this has been stated in a > mail to the wg chairs. > > The working group adoption poll ends May 7, 2016. > > /Loa > > MPLS wg co-chair. 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So for a network, you have RLDi (with i a node index). = However, draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label is treating RLD as a = single value. That seems like something that should be deeply = considered. Which RLDi is used in the pseudocode? If there=E2=80=99s no RLD advertised for a node, what=E2=80=99s assumed? = Three, zero, other? Are there FRR considerations for the calculation, since a node repair = can add labels, etc? Also, as Bruno also pointed out, the RLD is a generic attribute beyond = EL/ELI, correct? In that case, how can a node advertise that it can read = deep labels to RLD, but it does not support ELC? Take a FAT-PW case for = example. Thanks! =E2=80=94 Carlos. > On May 4, 2016, at 9:19 AM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I think RLD is clearly expressed in : > "An LSR may have a limitation in its ability to read and process the > label stack in order to do multipath load balancing. This = limitation > expressed in terms of the number of label stack entries that the = LSR > can read is henceforth referred to as the Readable Label Depth = (RLD) > capability of that LSR. If an EL does not occur within the RLD of = an > LSR in the label stack of the MPLS packet that it receives, then it > would lead to poor load balancing at that LSR." >=20 > It refers to the number of label that the LSR can read. So as a = consequence, if you want to be able to read the EL, ELI+EL must be = within the RLD. Otherwise the also described behavior will apply (poor = loadbalancing). >=20 > Is it fine ? >=20 > Thanks >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: bruno.decraene@orange.com = [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 14:45 > To: draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org = ; = mpls@ietf.org > Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org ; Loa Andersson > Subject: RE: [mpls] working group last call on = draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label >=20 > Hi authors, >=20 > As an additional comment, I'd like a see a more normative definition = of "RLD" as this is an important point for the interop. > In particular, the grey zone is whether RLD is before the ELI, or = include the EL, or include both the EL and ELI. Also, is RLD only = applicable when EL is used or is it also applicable when load-balancing = is performed based on the hashing of a stack of labels (a stack of RLD = labels)? >=20 > >=46rom the description of the text, I think I read that both EL and = ELI needs to be within the RLD. But on the other hand, there has been a = discussion on the mailing list about RLD=3D1, which would not even allow = reading the ELI label. >=20 > Thanks, > Regards, > Bruno >=20 > > From: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:59 PM > > > > Hi authors, > > > > Please find below some comments on the document (=C2=A74). > > > > - I would expect that network operator may need some flexibility to > > influence the placement of the EL(s) based on the set of = constraints. > > - The need for load-balancing seems significantly dependent on the = 1) > > relative size of the flow (which is typically egress dependent) and = 2) > > the presence of ECMP paths (IOW, I may not care if node N does not = see > > the EL, if node N has a single link/path toward the egress). This = may > > lead to additional requirements (e.g. advertising L2 ECMP which may > > not be currently visible to the L3 ingress. For spring, eventually > > draft-ietf-isis- l2bundles may already do the job) > > > > Both points are not touched in the draft, and I think these = additions > > would improve the benefit of the draft. > > > > Thanks, > > Regards, > > -- Bruno > > > > > Working Group, > > > > > > This is to initiate a two week working group last call on > > > draft-ietf-mpls- > > spring- > > > entropy-label. > > > > > > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list = (mpls@ietf.org ). > > > > > > There are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > > > > > All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated = on > > > the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any = other > > > IPRs that relates to this draft. > > > > > > This working group last call ends May 12, 2016. > > > > > > > > > /Loa > > > for the MPLS wg chairs > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com = > > > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu = > > > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > mpls mailing list > > > mpls@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls = >=20 > = __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations = confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, = exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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I had seen this definition, and had this follow-on = thought:

The = RLD is defined as a node attribute (per-LSR), as the min-LSRs of all = line-cards. So for a network, you have RLDi (with i a node index). = However, draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label is treating RLD as a = single value. That seems like something that should be deeply = considered. Which RLDi is used in the pseudocode?
If there=E2=80=99s no RLD advertised = for a node, what=E2=80=99s assumed? Three, zero, other?

Are there FRR = considerations for the calculation, since a node repair can add labels, = etc?

Also, as = Bruno also pointed out, the RLD is a generic attribute beyond EL/ELI, = correct? In that case, how can a node advertise that it can read deep = labels to RLD, but it does not support ELC? Take a FAT-PW case for = example.

Thanks!

=E2=80=94 Carlos.


On May 4, 2016, at 9:19 AM, stephane.litkowski@orange.com wrote:

Hi,
 
I think = RLD is clearly expressed in :
"An LSR may have a limitation in its = ability to read and process the
   label stack in order to do = multipath load balancing.  This limitation
   expressed in terms of the number of = label stack entries that the LSR
   can = read is henceforth = referred to as the Readable Label Depth (RLD)
   capability of that LSR.  If an EL does = not occur within the RLD of an
   LSR in the label stack of the MPLS packet that = it receives, then it
   would lead to poor load balancing at that = LSR."
 
It refers = to the number of label that the LSR can read. So as a consequence, if = you want to be able to read the EL, ELI+EL must be within the RLD. = Otherwise the also described behavior will apply (poor = loadbalancing).
 
Is it fine ?
 
Thanks
 
 
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Sent: = Wednesday, May 04, 2016 14:45
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Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Loa = Andersson
Subject: RE: [mpls] working group last call on = draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label
 
Hi authors,
 
As an additional comment, I'd like a see a more normative = definition of "RLD" as this is an important point for the interop.
In = particular, the grey zone is whether RLD is before the ELI, or include = the EL, or include both the EL and ELI. Also, is RLD only applicable = when EL is used or is it also applicable when load-balancing is = performed based on the hashing of a stack of labels (a stack of RLD = labels)?
 
>=46rom the description of the text, I think I read that = both EL and ELI needs to be within the RLD. But on the other hand, there = has been a discussion on the mailing list about RLD=3D1, which would not = even allow reading the ELI label.
 
Thanks,
Regards,
Bruno
 
> From: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN > = Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:59 PM
> 
> Hi = authors,
> 
> = Please find below some comments on the document (=C2=A74).
> 
> - I = would expect that network operator may need some flexibility to
> = influence the placement of the EL(s) based on the set of = constraints.
> - The need for load-balancing seems significantly = dependent on the 1)
> relative size of the flow (which is typically egress = dependent) and 2)
> the presence of ECMP paths (IOW, I may not care if node = N does not see
> the EL, if node N has a single link/path toward the = egress). This may
> lead to additional requirements (e.g. advertising L2 = ECMP which may
> not be currently visible to the L3 ingress. For spring, = eventually
> draft-ietf-isis- l2bundles may already do the job)
> 
> Both = points are not touched in the draft, and I think these additions
> = would improve the benefit of the draft.
> 
> = Thanks,
> Regards,
> -- Bruno
> 
> > = Working Group,
> >
> > This is to initiate a two week working group last = call on
> > draft-ietf-mpls-
> spring-
> > = entropy-label.
> >
> > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing = list (mpls@ietf.org).
> >
> > There are no IPR disclosures = against this document.
> >
> > All the authors and contributors (with one = exception) have stated on
> > the working group mailing list that they are not = aware of any other
> > IPRs that relates to this draft.
> = >
> > = This working group last call ends May 12, 2016.
> = >
> = >
> > = /Loa
> > = for the MPLS wg chairs
> > --
> >
> >
> > Loa = Andersson           = ;             = email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
> > = Senior MPLS = Expert           &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;  loa@pi.nu
> > = Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 = 81 21 64
> >
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> = > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls
 
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boundary="Apple-Mail=_79AB548D-5702-4C47-B916-0B8A5D2F75E8"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" , mpls Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2016 17:20:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_79AB548D-5702-4C47-B916-0B8A5D2F75E8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, Rob, > On May 3, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Rob Shakir wrote: >=20 > [readding mpls@] >=20 >> On May 3, 2016, at 14:22, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) = wrote: >>=20 >> There=E2=80=99s another unanswered piece for me, which is: All those = routers are advertising ELC and RLDs. As long as R5 and R10 are ELC, = then you can add EL/ELIs there. >> BUT, what is the RLD of the *loose* path R1..R5 and of the *loose* = path R6..R10? >=20 > RLD is unfortunately something that we have to deal with. There is = nothing really in the MPLS specs that tells us that an assumption that = one can optimise hardware to have a shallow RLD is OK AIUI, but still we = have many systems that have a depth to which they can read. >=20 > To this end, the way that we have implemented things is to assume that = RLD =3D min(network). I agree with the realities of hardware. However, that=E2=80=99s a big assumption and design principle that I = could not find mentioned in draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label. Did I = miss it? (in fact, I could not find =E2=80=9Cmin=E2=80=9D). Additionally, if RLD =3D min (RLDi for i=3D..network), what happens if = there=E2=80=99s a single node that does not support RLD? > This actually has implications for service implementations, since your = customer L2VPN MTU will be impacted by the number of pairs you = need to allow room for within the core. Since a customer service must = work over all paths that reroute might happen over; most transport LSPs = will have at least a loose backup path option; and the fact that old = hardware is long-lived - then min(network) seems to be the manageable = and most robust option to take. >=20 I do not disagree with that pragmatic approach. But there are = implications which ought to be spelled out. > So, your question, to me - please correct me if you don't feel it is = accurate - comes down to whether the entity processing some label can = find some entropy within its readable depth. At the point that we have = considered min(network) for the RLD then it does not matter whether the = next label is a adjacency or node segment we know that within our RLD = then there is a pair. The paraphrasing is accurate, but I feel it does matter. Say you have a = series of Adj-labels. For example (N=3Dnode, A=3DAdj): = N1-A1-A2-A3-N2-Payload. N1 is top, N2 is bottom of stack. There=E2=80=99s = an RLD of 4. Placing a EL/ELI after A2 or A3 is effectively of null = value practically. (E.g., A2 and A3 are specific links, but N1 and N2 = are long loose paths). The places where LB could happen while the packet = is switched with N1 and N2 will not have an EL/ELI readable, and A2 A3 = won=E2=80=99t use EL/ELI. >=20 > Note that the problem case I see here occurs when the RLD for the = network becomes sufficiently low. If it is set to 1 then we need to be = able to push more labels at the head end. In the worst case, the iLER = can push fewer labels than the least capable LSR can read. At this = point, we are stuck I think RLD lower than 3 will get us in the same place. > - there is nothing that can be done to satisfy all requirements. I agree, so the function is one to maximize effect, not satisfy all = requirements. > The approach that the coauthors of this draft discussed tries to do = the best it can to make entropy available to all systems, since we know = that not having entropy really hurts for load-sharing - but it also does = not mandate that a system does not send a packet that one system in the = network cannot hash properly. Right =E2=80=94 hard requirement is that an EL/ELI gets placed in a way = where the receiving node will understand it. This is important or the = packet gets dropped. The rest is the best that can be done, given RLDi of nodes in the = (potential) path, and given how many nodes are traveled using a single = label stack entry. I think the latter is not considered or mentioned, = and the former is implicitly oversimplified. >=20 > This comes back to the problem you presented around whether all = systems must be upgraded or not, the answer is no, rather like the = existing EL behaviours. We essentially need to make an assumption about = RLDs of the nodes that do not advertise RLD. Absolutely agree. My point is only that those assumption should be = listed as they carry operational considerations. > The first option is assume that RLD =3D 1, Sorry, here I got lost: RLD of 1 means there=E2=80=99s no point in = inserting any EL/ELI pairs. An RLD (min RLD of the whole path or = network) of 3 means insert in-between every label. Or did I = misunderstood? > however, this means potentially over-inserting ELs (the worst case = would be that we do not know whether they, as midpoints, even know about = the EL - and insert them even though they cannot hash on them). The = alternative is to assume they know how to hash themselves (or simply are = expected not to hash) when EL is not present, since this has been true = for systems historically. To me, and again I may be misunderstanding, RLD does not mean that a = node understands Entropy Labels. A node with an RLD of 7 can still not = use EL/ELI and only use the deepest readable label, conceptually. This, I know, compounds more the complexity of the problem this draft is = aiming at solving. > This results in some cases where we do not have entropy but would = desire it. Operators need to make choices themselves as to what to do = here - which may include limiting the label stack depth imposed by their = policies on a head end, or doing LSP stitching or segment-expansion = somewhere else in the network. >=20 > There are many procedures here which come down to combining the = various standardised and non-standardised procedures that may be = available to an operator to balance their requirements for entropy = against their requirements for path strictness, and the number of = approaches deployed in their network. >=20 > Please let me know if there are things here that not clear, I am happy = to expand on them. >=20 As you can see, I still have either questions or misunderstandings, or I = am pointing out things that might be broken. Please do let me know if anything I commented about is not clear. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h4sm1362414wjz.20.2016.05.07.13.47.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 May 2016 13:47:47 -0700 (PDT) To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" , "stephane.litkowski@orange.com" References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> <6755_1462365901_5729EECD_6755_4861_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A0F8956EC@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <26762_1462367973_5729F6E5_26762_562_2_de66e165-d751-4eb7-9b10-ff9d96812ad4@OPEXCLILMA1.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <8C085335-EF95-4A0D-A003-D8CD807DD3F3@cisco.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <572E5476.20901@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 21:47:50 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8C085335-EF95-4A0D-A003-D8CD807DD3F3@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2016 20:47:51 -0000 On 07/05/2016 17:58, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote: > Are there FRR considerations for the calculation, since a node repair > can add labels, etc? Both a link repair and a node repair can add labels. I would have thought that the ingress node would assume no repair (the normal case) and the repairing node would have worried about RLD - assuming it worried about ECMPing the repair at all. - Stewart From nobody Sat May 7 13:52:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFB612B04C for ; Sat, 7 May 2016 13:52:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ACjZ-yupo-iG for ; Sat, 7 May 2016 13:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x234.google.com (mail-wm0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A5EE1200A0 for ; Sat, 7 May 2016 13:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x234.google.com with SMTP id g17so127050889wme.1 for ; Sat, 07 May 2016 13:52:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KS4dH24/Cvp2rFOhSRHsR3Qy/ijez3cUTnZcSAH1DSk=; b=kpEGdADCFyjtMe2Bq+h/eHkRWDziwCb9WV9ltgf+ems9+tby33Z9LZcsGDCnK4fv7o rF0KM+PpcfAtieUK4i3vJYD32feddcJgnpQZRrHZwghF15v97AMzb1xOHrrhI1/JUqLd 5BbfrlEhD0QzB1okJftlW7FZftdFpat3zk4fRKSo7d+ZVV8z8aW/n4IFYzR+3Hx+Sl8j 2HvTrK2vPSXwZrnh5uEiA8KIPRukS5j1bwgOWhPleRtW2AkEzDRqitTMM0szASXpf962 KbKYvoMkm8JCBEMAnh+mql5e54oIdAxobOYd51tm4j3TNFkSlUKEBUGADYddRFxmY3za CEHg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KS4dH24/Cvp2rFOhSRHsR3Qy/ijez3cUTnZcSAH1DSk=; b=NtfO6BCWE3PHQ3DR4tgVg91NIR1ZkcyLFqAglqLpOm7bl6n/ZdqLRg5d/iLdrkyOAM xYzHG+GmINn7WY0conjyXfbGvqIgLNtUBSvgp48I0wT8pJjQ3WjJc/mJzeMxeJKZjXBG bbPLDqBb++qBM7/HXJpmgxCa6tr+FSA9Q+71mhDmnWV5XbHbAebMZB9tzPuWxvCXNhZR oQdwFWOG1QXreQIKRE1KuPuxTokJg2E1sny1I6niX2lsfKIEJnKZrr8pFMCbjoMKI8rj 0gHE0ZjlvP1dMrkAyOj9P9hM8iyqxKtzJp8z/zXs38DGWaTkMHCU1Dpn2cTrujZKGn5e l52g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVgjYBwMgflVGFr03TC9qKPWSNhX8BIwNcsW/wePTzxnJDGZb+7Tu4xI0k0GbBOxQ== X-Received: by 10.28.236.88 with SMTP id k85mr3694889wmh.53.1462654363146; Sat, 07 May 2016 13:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.134] (host213-123-124-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com. [213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c194sm15544566wme.9.2016.05.07.13.52.41 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 May 2016 13:52:41 -0700 (PDT) To: mpls@ietf.org References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> <571E229B.2090405@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A5E5C2@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <4CE8FDF9-E02E-42AE-AEC3-479057197CF2@cisco.com> <0DA662F9-7A98-4BAB-8BAB-61E69DE4F612@cisco.com> <2BD9AC4F-88D4-477A-A929-97E5B0C050AF@cisco.com> <3F1FE971-4C91-44E6-ADFF-CB5A78AD184A@rob.sh> <50BC095A-D5E5-4846-8FAD-39B7B54365F3@cisco.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <572E559E.3050604@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 21:52:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50BC095A-D5E5-4846-8FAD-39B7B54365F3@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2016 20:52:46 -0000 On 07/05/2016 18:20, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote: > The paraphrasing is accurate, but I feel it does matter. Say you have a series of Adj-labels. For example (N=node, A=Adj): N1-A1-A2-A3-N2-Payload. N1 is top, N2 is bottom of stack. There’s an RLD of 4. Placing a EL/ELI after A2 or A3 is effectively of null value practically. (E.g., A2 and A3 are specific links, but N1 and N2 are long loose paths). The places where LB could happen while the packet is switched with N1 and N2 will not have an EL/ELI readable, and A2 A3 won’t use EL/ELI. Why would you put an ELI in the middle of a set of adj labels? Surely you want the packet to unconditionally go through those labels? - Stewart From nobody Sat May 7 18:19:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D5A12D1D7 for ; Sat, 7 May 2016 18:19:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WGQBKL2hBFg4 for ; Sat, 7 May 2016 18:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 654FC12D098 for ; Sat, 7 May 2016 18:19:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1255; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1462670364; x=1463879964; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Dr2nySaQgm3B0+j3+PGljpqKpR8U/6t88PbVNSSiPbY=; b=MklidEVKbA20+C7huwUqVu77nM/+oHrzUUOTtXrkENkvdWd6okO+yaUU 72bzbTnyoCXa8DcHpGE/FRx/FHpFWY/rXb1ywFPN6aph/6HH91btPbWpM BW83NyHAl5WzxdOpAeZvPhlf1MuO6eeOOhX2ARHl9Vx3EW1ysA3tDnTmt o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0B2AgCxki5X/4MNJK1egzhVfa0oi2IBD?= =?us-ascii?q?YF2FwuFbgKBHzgUAQEBAQEBAWUnhEEBAQEDAQEBAWsLBQsCAQgYLiEGCyUCBA4?= =?us-ascii?q?FH4d2AwsIDrkSDYQ9AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBEQSGIIF2CIJOgkOBf?= =?us-ascii?q?IMrgi4Fl3ExAYwigXmPF4dYh2IBHgEBQoNrbog5AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,593,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="269365325" Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 08 May 2016 01:19:23 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-016.cisco.com (xch-rtp-016.cisco.com [64.101.220.156]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u481JNrG005569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 May 2016 01:19:23 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com (64.101.220.160) by XCH-RTP-016.cisco.com (64.101.220.156) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Sat, 7 May 2016 21:19:22 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) by XCH-RTP-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Sat, 7 May 2016 21:19:22 -0400 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: Stewart Bryant Thread-Topic: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label Thread-Index: AQHRnvqiyJTa1iN2rkOldcR5st5EVZ+bPPSAgAAW1wCAAiwhAIAEQ8EAgAAI04CAAAv/gIABY+6AgASpfoCAAAa6AIAADniAgAAN6ICAAC8XAIAF1m+AgAA7XgCAAAdvIw== Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 01:19:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> <571E229B.2090405@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A5E5C2@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <4CE8FDF9-E02E-42AE-AEC3-479057197CF2@cisco.com> <0DA662F9-7A98-4BAB-8BAB-61E69DE4F612@cisco.com> <2BD9AC4F-88D4-477A-A929-97E5B0C050AF@cisco.com> <3F1FE971-4C91-44E6-ADFF-CB5A78AD184A@rob.sh> <50BC095A-D5E5-4846-8FAD-39B7B54365F3@cisco.com>, <572E559E.3050604@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <572E559E.3050604@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2016 01:19:26 -0000 Stewart, see inline.=20 > On May 7, 2016, at 16:52, Stewart Bryant wrote= : >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 07/05/2016 18:20, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote: >> The paraphrasing is accurate, but I feel it does matter. Say you have a = series of Adj-labels. For example (N=3Dnode, A=3DAdj): N1-A1-A2-A3-N2-Paylo= ad. N1 is top, N2 is bottom of stack. There=92s an RLD of 4. Placing a EL/E= LI after A2 or A3 is effectively of null value practically. (E.g., A2 and A= 3 are specific links, but N1 and N2 are long loose paths). The places where= LB could happen while the packet is switched with N1 and N2 will not have = an EL/ELI readable, and A2 A3 won=92t use EL/ELI. > Why would you put an ELI in the middle of a set of adj labels? Surely you= want the packet to unconditionally go through those labels? >=20 Well, that was exactly my point... What I tried to exemplify is that the algorithm does not differentiate betw= een Node labels and Adj labels, and I am asking if it should... Thumb typed by Carlos Pignataro. 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Say you have a s= eries of Adj-labels. For example (N=3Dnode, A=3DAdj): N1-A1-A2-A3-N2-Payload= . N1 is top, N2 is bottom of stack. There=E2=80=99s an RLD of 4. Placing a E= L/ELI after A2 or A3 is effectively of null value practically. (E.g., A2 and= A3 are specific links, but N1 and N2 are long loose paths). The places wher= e LB could happen while the packet is switched with N1 and N2 will not have a= n EL/ELI readable, and A2 A3 won=E2=80=99t use EL/ELI. >> Why would you put an ELI in the middle of a set of adj labels? Surely you= want the packet to unconditionally go through those labels? >>=20 >=20 > Well, that was exactly my point... >=20 > What I tried to exemplify is that the algorithm does not differentiate bet= ween Node labels and Adj labels, and I am asking if it should... >=20 > Thumb typed by Carlos Pignataro. > Excuze typofraphicak errows >=20 >> - Stewart >>=20 Carlos, Sorry I misunderstood your point. A point that I made much earlier in the thread was that it was a local matte= r and that although the properties of various algorithms might be discussed,= no algorithm should be recommended. Stewart >> _______________________________________________ >> mpls mailing list >> mpls@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From nobody Mon May 9 08:29:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EFDF12D0DD for ; Mon, 9 May 2016 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1E6GeHurxV7n for ; Mon, 9 May 2016 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 560A512B03F for ; Mon, 9 May 2016 08:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.4]) by omfedm10.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 0102926423F; Mon, 9 May 2016 17:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.31.66]) by omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id BFD01238095; Mon, 9 May 2016 17:29:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILMA1.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::95e2:eb4b:3053:fabf%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Mon, 9 May 2016 17:29:03 +0200 From: To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" , Stewart Bryant Thread-Topic: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label Thread-Index: AQHRnvqfYHoXl3B7m0ygI6yexvqoK5+a2F6AgAAW2ACAAiwhAIAEQ8AAgAAI1wCAAAv7gIABY/KAgASpe4CAAAa6AIAADniAgAAN6ICAAC8XAIAF1m+AgAA7XgCAAEp9AIACn55w Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 15:29:03 +0000 Message-ID: <15338_1462807743_5730ACBF_15338_1931_11_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921BB5ECCD@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> <571E229B.2090405@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A5E5C2@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <4CE8FDF9-E02E-42AE-AEC3-479057197CF2@cisco.com> <0DA662F9-7A98-4BAB-8BAB-61E69DE4F612@cisco.com> <2BD9AC4F-88D4-477A-A929-97E5B0C050AF@cisco.com> <3F1FE971-4C91-44E6-ADFF-CB5A78AD184A@rob.sh> <50BC095A-D5E5-4846-8FAD-39B7B54365F3@cisco.com>, <572E559E.3050604@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.5] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2478543, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.4.25.91516 Archived-At: Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 15:29:08 -0000 Hi Carlos, In your example (N1-A1-A2-A3-N2-Payload), if you consider RLD=3D4 network w= ide, with a bottom_to_top EL insertion you may have (considering no limit i= n push) : N1-ELI-EL-A1-A2-ELI-EL-A3-N2-ELI - EL - Payload.=20 With a top_to_bottom insertion, you may have : N1-N2-ELI-EL-A1-A2-ELI-EL-N2= -ELI-EL-Payload Keeping EL for Adj-SID is still good as Adj-SID can represent a bundle of l= inks (L2 or L3). In theory, there is a bigger advantage for Node-SID, but o= nly if we are sure that all nodes along the path can process the ELI/EL. No= w from a practical point of view, we have no insurance. Best Regards, -----Original Message----- From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Pignataro (cp= ignata) Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2016 03:19 To: Stewart Bryant Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entro= py-label Stewart, see inline.=20 > On May 7, 2016, at 16:52, Stewart Bryant wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 07/05/2016 18:20, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote: >> The paraphrasing is accurate, but I feel it does matter. Say you have a = series of Adj-labels. For example (N=3Dnode, A=3DAdj): N1-A1-A2-A3-N2-Paylo= ad. N1 is top, N2 is bottom of stack. There's an RLD of 4. Placing a EL/ELI= after A2 or A3 is effectively of null value practically. (E.g., A2 and A3 = are specific links, but N1 and N2 are long loose paths). The places where L= B could happen while the packet is switched with N1 and N2 will not have an= EL/ELI readable, and A2 A3 won't use EL/ELI. > Why would you put an ELI in the middle of a set of adj labels? Surely you= want the packet to unconditionally go through those labels? >=20 Well, that was exactly my point... What I tried to exemplify is that the algorithm does not differentiate betw= een Node labels and Adj labels, and I am asking if it should... Thumb typed by Carlos Pignataro. 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Thread-Topic: [netmod] Use of schema mounts for common model Thread-Index: AQHRoYTn8Q7ybSBq9EC0qN+9tgYLnp+hBBqAgAAeDQCABm+7AIAJPmKA Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 15:44:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4A05DD10-0885-435C-9D13-9634388B9F4B@cisco.com> <20160429.122943.1926404425708749601.mbj@tail-f.com> <50BEAA4E-C645-4DCE-A992-44B14B4EFC43@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.15.1.160411 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.203] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D5AA9261193D4100AF1581F4BF98654Cciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , Martin Bjorklund , "netmod@ietf.org" , "teas@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-teas-yang-te@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-netmod-schema-mount@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] [netmod] Use of schema mounts for common model X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org 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al, I've read the draft and support it moving forward.=20 One minor question I have is to the allocation policy of the LDP Targeted A= pplication Identifier from the 0x7FFF - 0xFFFE range. Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 7:06 PM To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp Working Group, This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-a= pp-aware-tldp. Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). There were one IPR disclosure against the individual draft that this docume= nt replaced. The document shepherd and working group chairs are frequently asked about t= he working group discussions related to any IPR disclosures. We like to remind the working group that discussion on the content and vali= dity of an IPR disclosure should not take place on the MPLS wg list or any = IETF mailing lists. However we are looking for simple statements whether you think the working = group should continue progress the document, regardless of an existing IPR = disclosure. Please include this information in your "support/do not support= " when responding to working group adoption calls and last calls. All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on the wo= rking group mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that rel= ates to this draft. This working group last call ends May 22, 2016. /Loa for the MPLS wg chairs --=20 Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From nobody Mon May 9 18:24:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E249312D0EC; Mon, 9 May 2016 18:24:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oXFBhB57BZNA; Mon, 9 May 2016 18:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE27C12D0B2; Mon, 9 May 2016 18:24:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1571; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1462843477; x=1464053077; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=bDrfmfpniSLmMMjkcdVrIARPFGKtjZ4VZ8kT5yIVY6A=; b=MP/NiMVTJE+/pl+Gm5dnJs2h5kawSARbQ5F72/bWql52MejKskX/Q6pt 93eo6WjaBL8KT8uvTIocRCMFGuJE5400gfViCwi6lKKCYm+EaRkVZVdRD XmmEwm/+fDWaSw01unDC3Jq+knAqhseMAbaq5qMSy04kV1zKUIj0oLLnl w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AgAgDtNzFX/5tdJa1dgzhVfQa5FwENg?= =?us-ascii?q?XYXC4VuAoE5OBQBAQEBAQEBZSeEQgEBBAEBATc0GwIBCBgeECcLJQIEARKIKw6?= =?us-ascii?q?/NAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQETBIpshCIBAYV0BZgiAY4bgWmET4hfjzoBH?= =?us-ascii?q?gEBQoI2gTVuh1U2fwEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,602,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="100780507" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 10 May 2016 01:24:37 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-013.cisco.com (xch-aln-013.cisco.com [173.36.7.23]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u4A1OanZ001090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 May 2016 01:24:36 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-015.cisco.com (173.37.102.25) by XCH-ALN-013.cisco.com (173.36.7.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 9 May 2016 20:24:36 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-015.cisco.com ([173.37.102.25]) by XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com ([173.37.102.25]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Mon, 9 May 2016 20:24:35 -0500 From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" To: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mpls] Closed: working group adption poll on draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping Thread-Index: AQHRnJddzqkY0U9qGUC1KAUo83dCRZ+tWkSAgAQytYA= Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 01:24:35 +0000 Message-ID: References: <571A2101.9050106@pi.nu> <664e5a57-ba1f-2ae3-94c6-9c82b3e3bceb@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <664e5a57-ba1f-2ae3-94c6-9c82b3e3bceb@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.7.151005 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.82.170.135] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <74E0FECC4991CC4EAF80055BC5D9CB19@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] Closed: working group adption poll on draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 01:24:40 -0000 HI Loa, Thanks. I will post a new version soon. Thanks, Nagendra On 5/7/16, 1:17 AM, "mpls on behalf of Loa Andersson" wrote: >Working Group, > >This working group adoption poll is closed and we have a new wg >document. > >Can the authors please post a new version: > >draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-00 > >With no other changes than fielname, version number and dates, compared >to the document that was polled. > >/Loa >mpls wg co-chair > > > >On 2016-04-22 21:02, Loa Andersson wrote: >> Working Group, >> >> This is to start a two week poll to see if we have consensus to >> adopt draft-kumarkini-mpls-spring-lsp-ping as an MPLS working >> group document. >> >> Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working >> group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical >> motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that >> the document should not be adopted as a working group document. >> >> There are no IPR disclosures against this document. >> >> All the authors has stated that they are not aware of any IPRs that >> relate to this document. In all but one case this has been done on the >> on the mpls wg mailing list, in the last case this has been stated in a >> mail to the wg chairs. >> >> The working group adoption poll ends May 7, 2016. >> >> /Loa >> >> MPLS wg co-chair. > >_______________________________________________ >mpls mailing list >mpls@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From nobody Mon May 9 22:48:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DD712B02C; Mon, 9 May 2016 22:48:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id abd48wh6mXwP; Mon, 9 May 2016 22:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A36B212B004; Mon, 9 May 2016 22:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.43.232] (unknown [5.114.129.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9312E18013C8; Tue, 10 May 2016 07:47:53 +0200 (CEST) To: Gregory Mirsky , "mpls@ietf.org" References: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A6B7DE@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 13:47:20 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A6B7DE@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 05:48:07 -0000 Greg, On 2016-05-10 05:42, Gregory Mirsky wrote: > Hi Loa, et. al, > I've read the draft and support it moving forward. > > One minor question I have is to the allocation policy of the LDP Targeted Application Identifier from the 0x7FFF - 0xFFFE range. Good catch, all the code points need to be covered by policies, the authors should come up with a proposal and share with the working group. /Loa > > Regards, > Greg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 7:06 PM > To: mpls@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp > > Working Group, > > This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp. > > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). > > There were one IPR disclosure against the individual draft that this document replaced. > > The document shepherd and working group chairs are frequently asked about the working group discussions related to any IPR disclosures. > > We like to remind the working group that discussion on the content and validity of an IPR disclosure should not take place on the MPLS wg list or any IETF mailing lists. > > However we are looking for simple statements whether you think the working group should continue progress the document, regardless of an existing IPR disclosure. Please include this information in your "support/do not support" when responding to working group adoption calls and last calls. > > All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to this draft. > > This working group last call ends May 22, 2016. > > > /Loa > for the MPLS wg chairs > From nobody Tue May 10 10:48:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D85C12D1A6; Tue, 10 May 2016 10:48:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 751e4vopFubx; 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Thanks, Himanshu -----Original Message----- From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 10:06 PM To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp Working Group, This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-a= pp-aware-tldp. Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). There were one IPR disclosure against the individual draft that this docume= nt replaced. The document shepherd and working group chairs are frequently asked about t= he working group discussions related to any IPR disclosures. We like to remind the working group that discussion on the content and vali= dity of an IPR disclosure should not take place on the MPLS wg list or any = IETF mailing lists. 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[166.137.179.135]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b27sm21516212pfc.74.2016.05.12.11.43.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 May 2016 11:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Jeff Tantsura X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13E238) In-Reply-To: <40746B2300A8FC4AB04EE722A593182BAC1B0C6B@ONWVEXCHMB04.ciena.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 11:43:00 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9BFDD9FF-7D90-4939-AF84-32F7377FA251@gmail.com> References: <40746B2300A8FC4AB04EE722A593182BAC1B0C6B@ONWVEXCHMB04.ciena.com> To: Loa Andersson Archived-At: Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 18:43:04 -0000 Yes/support Regards, Jeff > -----Original Message----- > From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 10:06 PM > To: mpls@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-= app-aware-tldp. >=20 > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). >=20 > There were one IPR disclosure against the individual draft that this docum= ent replaced. >=20 > The document shepherd and working group chairs are frequently asked about t= he working group discussions related to any IPR disclosures. >=20 > We like to remind the working group that discussion on the content and val= idity of an IPR disclosure should not take place on the MPLS wg list or any I= ETF mailing lists. >=20 > However we are looking for simple statements whether you think the working= group should continue progress the document, regardless of an existing IPR d= isclosure. Please include this information in your "support/do not support" w= hen responding to working group adoption calls and last calls. >=20 > All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on the w= orking group mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that rel= ates to this draft. >=20 > This working group last call ends May 22, 2016. >=20 >=20 > /Loa > for the MPLS wg chairs > --=20 >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From nobody Thu May 12 12:09:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FA612D11D; 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Thu, 12 May 2016 14:47:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160512214713.14288.71782.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 14:47:13 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-saad-mpls-static-yang-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 21:47:13 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for MPLS Static LSPs Authors : Tarek Saad Kamran Raza Rakesh Gandhi Xufeng Liu Vishnu Pavan Beeram Himanshu Shah Igor Bryskin Xia Chen Raqib Jones Bin Wen Filename : draft-saad-mpls-static-yang-03.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2016-05-12 Abstract: This document contains the specification for the MPLS Static Label Switched Paths (LSPs) YANG model. The model allows for the provisioning of static LSP(s) on LER(s) and LSR(s) devices along a LSP path without the dependency on any signaling protocol. The MPLS Static LSP model augments the MPLS base YANG model with specific data to configure and manage MPLS Static LSP(s). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-saad-mpls-static-yang/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saad-mpls-static-yang-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-saad-mpls-static-yang-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri May 13 00:04:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E8812D104; Fri, 13 May 2016 00:04:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160513070456.13070.16346.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 00:04:56 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-00.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 07:04:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF. Title : Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping/Trace for Segment Routing Networks Using MPLS Dataplane Authors : Nagendra Kumar George Swallow Carlos Pignataro Nobo Akiya Sriganesh Kini Hannes Gredler Mach(Guoyi) Chen Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-00.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2016-05-10 Abstract: Segment Routing architecture leverages the source routing and tunneling paradigms and can be directly applied to MPLS data plane. A node steers a packet through a controlled set of instructions called segments, by prepending the packet with a Segment Routing header. The segment assignment and forwarding semantic nature of Segment Routing raises additional consideration for connectivity verification and fault isolation in LSP with Segment Routing architecture. This document illustrates the problem and describe a mechanism to perform LSP Ping and Traceroute on Segment Routing network over MPLS data plane. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon May 16 06:50:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DFA12D6AB for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 06:50:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yahoo.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h3tBQm7RnSvl for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 06:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm3-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B95812D6A1 for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 06:50:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1463406653; bh=/bgldnXA5Zhla69iBjutn2JbLSX+6N2M56yuoVac2Gw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=FvhAEBasLZNJJHaSNRCBWMbJHu6T8k9adYOdfy/UzHy/t2Rh8fkoRzKFHHDoMQAomvVT9DHkv1+A7Hxo2oyDAlNkI+ZucbnKIGuL4hIwVpKvJn4y3oueiAAu19ayHKdthF4Dho99nVVTvP7yzeLJGw/Axu9+2Xeh/uCemjjo2jCFpgfOoms+aN6Lc0BUnCWiIUy2bC8/5SIdZfv1SIByAzeLxBs40RxeW/XmfhQ8kEYu39oeULGSVCvwFi77oTHtNRT+kHqRotLT2NJKHMsV/n1WL/X9t+pHemBCEstLuKm0kN6/X6I+UmWajVjinFGsBRzX5Pi6uFGPCPMqOvtrnA== Received: from [98.138.100.114] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2016 13:50:53 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.4] by tm105.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2016 13:50:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2016 13:50:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 427850.58243.bm@omp1004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: lg78dc4VM1kAKCyjfa2U4QIEsva.neBuNFC75mTFQuahCHSEc_JquA_X5offKuf plfHLMjYxMYw0QcM2ZMd0U2dgE4lBFWfcnjnx.HNx0d.elc_AUNAxmjO41jC2DlKeKxGjJa546ir 75LAx2218ImAer1qILyB36bQLne73JxVMgYbWpRRzqlCFTy85kk_8jLd0pUqmKe53VWu4k65Jjpm 5bckKUJrR4DArnEr7xOlGOw1lhoEoKkRfTvNPvGkiExNenPw8wDwdQhiVU5Tnv4HzX.4bFAxMPE_ 8rxWaYqdadWkAm89LfsZRVmv57egJA88wQbGWdLc_S_ljVRpTpH13IgqYoJsTvSmaOE798DaerGP Shj.cXQgJoQ7Bs4GblTJsarjFJZ7SBpsp7aNWW_CokjELm.tvJ1dUBLyRJubolM41DikCzUCX7Cm 3FbZ0SvKCEzQdtHzux9CChn2CTOm9fIy62afJrYbDAxNGmujAbUDtjfsQNeXG3BUc.9sM5El7VUc Cjiz08D3PSqHMkePAVg7NRm1GriNg1aj9okf6VA-- Received: from jws100121.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sendmailws110.mail.ne1.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 May 2016 13:50:52 +0000; 1463406652.847 Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 13:50:48 +0000 (UTC) From: To: Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List Message-ID: <1882430484.2710880.1463406648846.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1882430484.2710880.1463406648846.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Archived-At: Cc: "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] Remote Mentor Needed: Internet Draft Review Team : MPLS / BESS: Spanish X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 13:50:56 -0000 People, We are forming teams of new-ish people to start working together to review drafts and pose comments on the list. This team has 2 people from Argentina (more will be joining over time). They wish to study drafts in MPLS / BESS. The discussions will be conducted in Spanish (preferred) or English. The drafts they are interested in are: draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp-03 draft-ietf-mpls-rmr-01 draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-03 draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02 (Please let me know if you think it would be better if they read other drafts.) They are to read the drafts and have 5 questions ready for discussion. The questions can be either things they do not understand, things they think need to be clearer in the draft or need to be fixed. I would appreciate your help very much for both of the following, please let me know. 1. If you will be able to help them in Argentina time zone in a webinar in Spanish (preferred) or English. Commitment is one hour per month live and some email contact. 2. If you will be able to help them via email support only. Please help, if you can. BTW, a number of other teams have also started including: Spanish DNSOP, and Portugese 6lo / 6tisch / roll, and English 6lo / 6tisch / roll. Other groups are forming. Thank you all very much. Nalini Elkins IETF Mentoring Team Inside Products, Inc. www.insidethestack.com (831) 659-8360 From nobody Mon May 16 07:40:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B66D12D6BD; Mon, 16 May 2016 07:40:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160516144033.16756.61436.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 07:40:33 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: mpls@ietf.org, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] IPR Disclosure Juniper Networks, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 14:40:33 -0000 Dear Raveendra Torvi, Santosh Esale, Luay Jalil, Uma Chunduri, Kamran Raza: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Application-aware Targeted LDP" (draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2796/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Juniper Networks, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Mon May 16 14:46:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188B312D51C; Mon, 16 May 2016 14:46:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LH80Gos9I5vr; Mon, 16 May 2016 14:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-us.alcatel-lucent.com (us-hpswa-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.18.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C51912D533; Mon, 16 May 2016 14:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70uumx3.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.18.15]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 1A343FF2827E3; Mon, 16 May 2016 21:46:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.65]) by us70uumx3.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u4GLkeMm009566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 May 2016 21:46:41 GMT Received: from US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.48]) by us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u4GLkepi008053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 May 2016 21:46:40 GMT Received: from US70UWXCHMBA01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.7.67]) by US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.48]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 16 May 2016 17:46:40 -0400 From: "Aissaoui, Mustapha (Nokia - CA)" To: EXT Chandrasekar Ramachandran , Loa Andersson Thread-Topic: MPLS-RT review of draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr Thread-Index: AQHRDMPhsONZcO/ZDU6JSnAr5/i5wJ55MxXAgC7BdQCAAj56AIAB1u4AgAwwBlCAGFak8IAbhGgQgGRIFpCAS4lVkA== Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 21:46:39 +0000 Message-ID: <4A79394211F1AF4EB57D998426C9340DD4935C45@US70UWXCHMBA01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <5628D430.4070602@pi.nu> <4A79394211F1AF4EB57D998426C9340DD479A17D@US70UWXCHMBA01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <56514290.60200@pi.nu> <95453A37E413464E93B5ABC0F8164C4D14C9BB4D@eusaamb101.ericsson.se> <4A79394211F1AF4EB57D998426C9340DD47C1317@US70UWXCHMBA01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <4A79394211F1AF4EB57D998426C9340DD47F8527@US70UWXCHMBA01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.16] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr@ietf.org" , Vishnu Pavan Beeram Subject: Re: [mpls] MPLS-RT review of draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 21:46:47 -0000 Hi Chandra, I am sorry for the late follow-up. My proposal to move forward with merging the conditional Path Tear extensio= n in this draft as an optional capability in draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-fr= r-rsvpte is based on the following analysis: 1. It is very misleading to refer to the capability in this draft as "Refre= sh Interval Independent FRR Facility Protection". This draft describes a me= thod for clearing the RSVP-TE session state at a Merge-Point (MP) on an ad-= hoc basis complementing the state timeout. It is not replacing the state re= fresh method and the state timeout. 2. draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte defines a handshake procedure for= the PLR and MP to signal and engage in the use of the Bypass Summary FRR A= ssociation object. So, there is no need to add a new capability. The condit= ional Path Tear can be an optional procedure of PLR and MP nodes which supp= ort the Bypass Summary FRR Association object.=20 Let me know if this works. Regards, Mustapha. > -----Original Message----- > From: EXT Chandrasekar Ramachandran [mailto:csekar@juniper.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:32 AM > To: Aissaoui, Mustapha (Nokia - CA); Loa Andersson > Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr@i= etf.org; > Vishnu Pavan Beeram > Subject: RE: MPLS-RT review of draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr >=20 > Hi Mustapha, > Apologies for the delay. I will be prompt for subsequent mails on this th= read. In my > previous mail, I categorized your concerns into two. > (A) The need for introducing refresh-interval independent behavior into R= SVP-TE > (B) Why some kind of local implementation based timers will not be suffic= ient to > support long refresh intervals >=20 > Your mail sent in January seems to indicate you are either not convinced = on the > need for introducing refresh-interval independent behavior, or you are no= t > convinced that the extensions proposed in this draft (or the ones propose= d in > [draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec]) actually make RSVP-TE FRR refresh-= interval > independent. >=20 > Here is my summary response to your points. I have also responded to your > comments separately inline. > - The goal of the draft is not to reduce the number of triggered messages= between > PLR and MP when the protected LSP is being locally repaired. The draft ad= dresses > a specific gap to make RSVP-TE refresh-interval independent as documented= in > [draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec]. The key point is that if RSVP-TE r= outers are not > constrained by short refresh timeouts, then the existing RFC 2961 mechani= sms, > plus some minor additional mechanisms as recommended in [draft-ietf-teas-= rsvp- > te-scaling-rec] should be sufficient to handle large LSP scale in all cas= es (except > FRR that [draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr] addresses). It should be noted = that while > reducing the number of triggered backup LSP messages would be additional > performance improvement, the goal of RI-RSVP is more generic and also > encompasses make-before-break. Hence, the scope of this draft is not limi= ted > reducing triggered messages as specified in draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-f= rr- > rsvpte. > - It should be noted that [draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec] does make= a specific > recommendation that would address the limitation you have pointed out wit= h > Message-ID-ACK mechanism. The problem you have brought up is related to t= he > lack of flow control between the RSVP-TE neighbors and Section 2.3 of [dr= aft-ietf- > teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec] does address this limitation. If a router sends= some > messages that are unacknowledged, then the router can use that as an indi= cation > to reduce message rate to that neighbor. In fact, RFC 2961 message-ID-ACK > mechanism is the key tool in achieving flow control between RSVP-TE neigh= bors. > Hence, the mechanism proposed in this draft if considered along with [dra= ft-ietf- > teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec] does make RSVP-TE refresh interval independent.= Do you > have specific cases in mind that are not covered by these drafts? > - The use of implementation specific timers for scaled networks have been > problematic in production networks because these timers are ad-hoc and do= not > provide predictability to the behavior when the deployed scale increase o= ver time. > Moreover, your point assumes the network uses short refresh interval so t= hat lack > of reliable PathTear does not result in unacceptable level of stale state= build up on > the routers. In fact, the only two new aspects introduced in this draft l= everage > PathTear messages (with some minor extension) to reliably remove state fr= om > downstream router(s). Could you specifically point out the mechanism(s) i= n the > draft that is/are complex? >=20 > Please refer inline for more detailed and specific responses. >=20 > Thanks, > Chandra. >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AISSAOUI, Mustapha (Mustapha) > > [mailto:mustapha.aissaoui@nokia.com] > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 10:00 AM > > To: Chandrasekar Ramachandran ; Sriganesh Kini > > ; Loa Andersson ; Lucy yong > > > > Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp- > > frr@ietf.org; Guijuan Wang 3 ; Lizhong Jin > > > > Subject: RE: MPLS-RT review of draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr > > > > Hi Chandra, > > Sorry for the late reply. See inline for some follow-up. > > > > Regards, > > Mustapha. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Chandrasekar Ramachandran [mailto:csekar@juniper.net] > > > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:41 AM > > > To: Chandrasekar Ramachandran; Aissaoui, Mustapha (Mustapha); > > > Sriganesh > > Kini; > > > Loa Andersson; Lucy yong > > > Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp- > > frr@ietf.org; > > > Guijuan Wang 3; Lizhong Jin > > > Subject: RE: MPLS-RT review of draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr > > > > > > Mustapha, > > > Did my response address your concerns? If I have understood you > > > correctly, > > the > > > concerns fall in two categories and I have tried to address these con= cerns. > > > (A) The need for introducing refresh-interval independent behavior > > > into RSVP- > > TE > > > (B) Why some kind of local implementation based timers will not be > > > sufficient > > to > > > support long refresh intervals > > > > > > Do you have any specific comment on my responses? Specifically, do > > > you still think the responses did not address (A), or (B) or both? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandra. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > > > > Chandrasekar Ramachandran > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 12:58 AM > > > > To: Aissaoui, Mustapha (Mustapha) > > > > ; > > > > Sriganesh Kini ; Loa Andersson > > > > ; Lucy yong > > > > Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; > > > > draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp- frr@ietf.org; Guijuan Wang 3 > > > > ; Lizhong Jin > > > > Subject: Re: [mpls] MPLS-RT review of > > > > draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr > > > > > > > > Mustapha, > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Aissaoui, Mustapha (Mustapha) > > > > > [mailto:mustapha.aissaoui@alcatel- > > > > > lucent.com] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 8:48 AM > > > > > To: Sriganesh Kini ; Loa Andersson > > > > > ; Lucy yong > > > > > Cc: Lizhong Jin ; Guijuan Wang 3 > > > > > ; > > > > > draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr@ietf.org; > > > > > mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Aissaoui, Mustapha (Mustapha) > > > > > ; mpls@ietf.org > > > > > Subject: RE: MPLS-RT review of draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr > > > > > > > > > > Dear authors, > > > > > I read this draft and I believe the intent is to provide a > > > > > tighter control plane synchronization of the PLR and MP roles on > > > > > a per RSVP session basis such that a LSR will know if it is a MP > > > > > for a given RSVP session which requested protection. This is > > > > > done such that the decision to retain or delete the state by the > > > > > LSR detecting the failure of the link to the previous hop (or > > > > > the failure of the previous hop itself) is made with the prior > > > > > knowledge that the LSR is a MP > > or > > > not on a per RSVP session basis. > > > > > > > > [Chandra] The primary motivation of the draft is to enable LSRs to > > > > support FRR when the LSP scale on the LSR is of the order of > > > > hundreds of thousands. The analysis of the bottlenecks as a > > > > consequence of LSP scale, that can cause disruption of the LSR has > > > > already been documented in RFC 5439. As analyzed in RFC 5439, > > > > while there is a correlation between the percentage increase in > > > > refresh time and the improvement in LSR performance, there is a > > > > degree of functionality that is lost owing to the soft-state > > > > nature of the protocol. TE- SCALE-REC > > > > (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-0 > > > > 0) outlines the motivation for refresh independent RSVP (RI-RSVP) > > > > for all types of LSPs (packet or non-packet), and makes > > > > recommendations to enable RSVP implementations eliminate the > > > > reliance on short refresh time. This draft addresses the > > > > refresh-interval dependent behavior of RFC 4090 in order to > > > > support RI-RSVP, as facility backup FRR is a widely deployed > > > > feature in production networ ks. > > > > MA> It seems to me the main issue with bypass protection is to deal > > MA> with the > > generation (PLR) and processing (MP) of a large number of *triggered* > > Path messages for the individual protected LSPs at the time the PLR > > activates the bypass LSP. > > > > I do not see anything new in this draft to address the bottleneck of > > the state refresh mechanism itself. In fact, the draft suggests that > > after the bypass LSP is activated, the state refresh continues with > > summary refreshes which is the solution already existent as per RFC > > 2961. Based on that, it is misleading to call this a > > Refresh-Independent RSVP FRR and this draft is not changing the fact > > that a PLR can generate and the MP may have to process a Srefresh messa= ge > with potentially a large number of message IDs once the bypass is activat= ed. >=20 > [Chandra] The need to generate and process a large number of message IDs = will > not be a problem as long as the refresh interval is long. If the concern = is that > transmitting and processing a large number of message IDs would overwhelm= the > routers, then that is an orthogonal problem for which Section 2.3 of [dra= ft-ietf-teas- > rsvp-te-scaling-rec] proposes to solve. Again, [draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-s= caling-rec] > does indeed rely on RFC 2961 Message-Id-ACK extension to accomplish flow > control. Even if an implementation supports extensions to reduce the mess= ages > between PLR and MP during local repair, we still require long refresh int= erval in > order to relieve the burden of the routers from having to refresh unaffec= ted LSP > states and the make-before-break LSP states that occur subsequent to loca= l > repair. >=20 > Once the refresh interval could be set to an arbitrarily large value, it = makes RSVP- > TE "refresh interval independent". Is the use of "refresh independent" in= stead of a > longer phrase "refresh-interval independent" a matter of concern here? >=20 > > What this mechanism is providing is a bulk notification of bypass > > activation from the PLR to the MP. This can speed up the creation in > > the control plane of the new remote neighbor (PLR) at the MP and > > associate the existing PSB/RSBs of the protected LSPs with this new > > neighbor. The savings in the creation of the new remote neighbor is > > due to not relying on the receipt from the PLR and the processing of a > > triggered refresh message for each protected LSP. Note here there are > > no issue with the data plane and packets from all LSPs will be > > forwarded properly at the MP since the ILM for the protected LSP is > > the same whether the packet is received from the primary interface or f= rom the > bypass LSP interface. >=20 > [Chandra] Yes, precisely. The data plane can continue to forward traffic = but the > control plane imposes an artificial restriction that the LSP states shoul= d be > refreshed within a short refresh timeout. The goal is to remove this rest= riction and > align with the goal of [draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec]. >=20 > > Based on the above, I am having trouble reconciling the limited > > benefits and the complexity of the proposed mechanism. > > I am not opposed for this part of the draft to move forward as an > > optional mechanism but I propose that it gets merged with > > draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary- frr-rsvpte and that the reference to > > "Refresh-Independent RSVP FRR" be removed. Also, the objective of the > > mechanism to more clearly explained as a bulk notification mechanism wh= en > bypass is activated. >=20 > [Chandra] The goals of draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte and draft-c= handra- > mpls-ri-rsvp-frr are different. While draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rsv= pte could be > used by RSVP-TE implementation using short refresh interval to reduce mes= sage > rate between PLR and MP during local repair, draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp-f= rr could > be used by RSVP-TE implementation to set arbitrarily long refresh interva= l but > avoid unacceptable buildup of stale states across FRR local repairs. That= 's why > the only two extensions introduced in draft-chandra-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr invo= lve sending > PathTear messages to ensure explicit cleanup of LSP states rather than re= lying on > timeout (which would be long with long refresh interval). Implementation = that sets > arbitrarily long refresh interval could also use draft-mtaillon-mpls-summ= ary-frr- > rsvpte to reduce message rate during local repair. >=20 > > > > > However, the procedures presented in this document are fairly > > > > > complex and go at odds with the original intent of making state > > > > > synchronization based on a soft-state mechanism. > > > > > > > > [Chandra] The tradeoffs between using short or long refresh > > > > intervals has been well understood. Short refresh intervals aid > > > > fast synchronization of states along the path of the LSP, but is > > > > problematic because of the control message traffic that a router > > > > has to handle at high LSP scale. Routers not only must synchronize > > > > new states as promptly as possible, but also must maintain the > > > > rate of periodic Srefresh messages to a level sufficient to > > > > refresh all existing states without being timed out. When the > > > > number of LSPs that > > routers > > > carry approach half a million, there will be two problems with the > > > control > > message > > > rate. > > > > (1) As analyzed in RFC 5439, even with RFC 2961 refresh reduction > > > > the size of Srefresh message may become very large, and the > > > > processing required may cause disruption of the LSR. > > > > (2) Apart from the problem of RSVP message processing overhead, > > > > there is also the problem of RSVP-TE becoming a bottleneck > > > > preventing the router to scale other protocols or services. > > > > MA> This draft does not solve the issue of large Srefresh message. > > MA> After the bulk > > triggering of the bypass, Srefresh message will still be large because > > implementations will need to make efficient use of the message by > > sending as many Message IDs as possible. >=20 > [Chandra] I think this is a problem that is orthogonal to remove the reli= ance on > short refresh interval. As mentioned before, one should also take into ac= count the > recommendations in [draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec] in order to supp= ort LSP > scales much higher than what routers run or support today. The point you = have > raised here has been addressed in Section 2.3 of [draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te= -scaling- > rec]. >=20 > > > > > In fact, what I fail to find is a compelling argument or data > > > > > from the field which shows the issue is not resolved via much > > > > > simpler methods which are used in production networks today. I > > > > > describe this in the detailed comments below. > > > > > > > > [Chandra] Some of the mechanisms already deployed in multi-vendor > > > > production networks involve configuring implementation specific > > > > timers or > > > delays on LSRs. > > > > Multiple vendors support various timers or delays on Ingress and > > > > Transit > > LSRs. > > > > However, in practice the values configured for these timers or > > > > delays are very scale specific, and the values that work at one > > > > LSP scale usually do not work at higher LSP scale. In practice, > > > > the "scale" that impacts the behavior at specific timer or delay > > > > value is not only the number of LSPs carried on the router, but > > > > also the number of other protocol states that reside on the > > > > router. It should be noted that the reliance on such > > > > implementation specific timers or delays has been a major contribut= or of > operational complexity in running RSVP-TE FRR. > > > > Any solution based on such timers or delays while being > > > > operationally simple at one scale ceases to be so at higher scale. > > > > It has been practically found (with existing implementations from > > > > multiple > > > > vendors) tha t it is operationally hard to find out the new > > > > better value as a running production network grows over time. In > > > > short, the use of > > such > > > timers or delays has been found to involve guess work that seldom > > > remain > > simple > > > in the long run. > > > > > > MA> The timer is for a different issue than the main objective of the > > MA> draft. Let us > > discuss it in the points below > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Mustapha. > > > > > --------------------- > > > > > 1. Section 3.1 - Problem Description " > > > > > - If the protected LSP on C times out before D receives > > > > > signaling for the backup LSP, then D would receive PathTear from > > > > > C prior to receiving signaling for the backup LSP, thus > > > > > resulting in deleting the LSP state. This would be possible at > > > > > scale even with default refresh time. > > > > > " > > > > > MA> Since each LSR in the path of a RSVP session which requested > > > > > MA> protection > > > > > has to assume it can be a MP without prior knowledge, a simpler > > > > > method is to reset the refresh timeout for each session as soon > > > > > as the link to the previous hop failed. In fact, a user > > > > > configurable MP timeout upon failure, independent of the refresh > > > > > timeout, can be provided to tune it to the desired value to give > > > > > enough time to the Path message to be received via the bypass LSP= . > > > > > > > > [Chandra] The option of resetting the refresh timeout may not be > > > > viable if long refresh interval (of the order of tens of minutes) > > > > is applied on the LSPs. That leaves the other option of providing > > > > a "wait timer" (independent of refresh time) that is configurable o= n the MP. > > However, it is > > > fairly clear that the "wait timer" > > > > that the operator should configure on MP will be problematic for > > > > two > > reasons. > > > > The operator should carefully analyze the performance impact of an > > > > existing timer/delay value if and when (a) the LSP scale on the > > > > same router increases, and (2) the LSP scale increases on other > > > > routers around it (that may potentially become upstream PLRs)! > > > > MA> The use of a refresh-timeout independent timer has been shown to > > MA> work in > > production networks. Most of the time, the value is conservative > > enough to cover a large scale network. >=20 > [Chandra] Relying on implementation specific timers does not provide > predictability of behavior as the deployed network scale increases. There= are > cases in deployed networks where the use of such timers have increased th= e > complexity of network operations (a) when network scale increases with th= e same > software image, and (b) when network scale increase is also accompanied b= y > software upgrades. The general point is that increasing refresh interval = to arbitrarily > long values without any accompanying mechanism to introducing predictable > behavior in the protocol may increase operational complexity. I have prov= ided > detailed discussion on this in previous mails. >=20 > > > > > 2. Section 3.1 - Problem Description: > > > > > " > > > > > - If upon the link failure C is to keep state until its timeout, > > > > > then with long refresh interval this may result in a large > > > > > amount of stale state on C. Alternatively, if upon the link > > > > > failure C is to delete the state and send PathTear to D, this > > > > > would result in deleting the state on D, thus deleting the LSP. > > > > > D needs a reliable mechanism to determine whether it is MP or > > > > > not to overcome this problem. > > > > > " > > > > > MA> What is exactly the issue with state timeout being retained > > > > > MA> until the > > > > > refresh timeout? You refer to this as "stale" state but in fact > > > > > it is desirable to keep the state until node D created the backup= PSB. > > > > > Also, remember that head-end node will perform global revertive > > > > > MBB and may tear down the LSP before the state timeout. > > > > > > > > [Chandra] As described in the first response in this mail, the > > > > motivation driving the draft is to eliminate RSVP-TE's reliance of > > > > short refresh intervals. If router C were to retain the LSP state > > > > until time out, without any additional procedures that provide an > > > > explicit indication to router C on when the LSP state is no longer > > > > required, then router C would retain the LSP state potentially for > > > > hours if the refresh interval is long. So, router C will not only > > > > store the state of the LSP but also periodically send the Path > > > > message (in Srefresh) downstream - thereby unnecessarily consuming > > > > resources that > > > could potentially be utilized for other LSPs. > > > > It should also be noted that the transit router cannot assume that > > > > Ingress LSR will be able to complete global repair within a > > > > particular time frame. The transit LSR procedures should be able > > > > to handle cases when global repair does not complete for some > > > > valid reason for an extended > > > period of time. > > > > MA> Clearly, you are not taking away the reliance on refresh messages. > > MA> Any ad- > > hoc mechanism which is not reliable such as a PathTear may still keep > > the state until it times out. Furthermore, relying exclusively on > > Message ID ACk as proposed in draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec in a = scaled > network is not good. > > Data from deployment networks I am familiar with has shown that the > > retransmission of messages which are not acknowledged when the control > > plane churn is happening is causing much more churn. Our advice for > > our customers was to disable the requirement to receive a Message ID Ac= k. >=20 > [Chandra] I disagree with both the points above. > - The extensions introduced in the draft only involve leveraging PathTear > mechanism in two slightly modified ways. If PathTear messages are reliabl= y sent > by RSVP routers (i.e. implement RFC 2961 for tear down messages also and = also > implement flow control described in draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec),= then the > operator could set arbitrarily long refresh intervals. If the concern is = the use of > "refresh independent" instead of "refresh-interval independent", then I c= an add > clarification to the draft. > - The cause of churn in RSVP-TE deployments running at high scale in term= s of > LSPs is the lack of flow control in RSVP-TE implementations. It is possib= le to > implement flow control if implementations can leverage Message-id-ACKs su= itably > as recommended in [draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec]. >=20 > > > > > 3. Section 3.1 - Problem Statement: > > > > > " > > > > > - If head-end A attempts to tear down LSP after step 1 but > > > > > before step 2 of the above sequence, then B may receive the tear > > > > > down message before step 2 and delete the LSP state from its > > > > > state database. If B deletes its state without informing D, with > > > > > long refresh interval this could cause (large) buildup of stale > > > > > state on D. > > > > > " > > > > > MA> I am not sure I understand the issue here. If B acting as a > > > > > MA> PLR receives a > > > > > PathTear from A, all it needs to do is to check that the primary > > > > > path neighbor (C in this case) is in down or in cleanup state > > > > > and send the PathTear over the bypass before deleting its own > > > > > local state From nobody Mon May 16 23:05:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367A012D140 for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 23:05:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qkWJlp9Ia6Li for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 23:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x230.google.com (mail-vk0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2205F12D510 for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 22:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x230.google.com with SMTP id f66so7134878vkh.2 for ; Mon, 16 May 2016 22:58:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=hf804gCw32c7YDd5rHcJp1IFQKsb/tbWWOijGneSNKE=; b=WBw5po5QDsD7SRY/ENCAhVPijlTMyF68sb3Zc4iMB5NQ0Df5rGJpZmP+ry7gK01gTr /lHeYqbCA9hvJ6OBNmZqMMCsjy15/xbpWUR1y69mjJd5Ww893OXizz1NnJzjmQ3oRval kVHN1m4H9vE3IPm46PZklDLpqYIPFxxqz2rxbl0sRGp2G6hIS6OZpDOPq2qetubkLw5c z9A3P0s9Fl1DAzA8xE3vbfJqj1kz6GraadgKGVTKM0yVgDXl/H2bnZNYGgSgAv0yx2JK VztKIA/DKY6Jc3UE3CeQf8x8Amvlt+ch4GJFGKpEs5cHeXl0Ije2AyDdXCSAJ7Qh1q4U +sYQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=hf804gCw32c7YDd5rHcJp1IFQKsb/tbWWOijGneSNKE=; b=lO0wlLV5HjL0lMDELCHyn2sKwsVrMA0wYgJjn57Z0GsfwxgAwd9zqBJFCgB8TYzNH5 fW/n/vwaKp7/XjskRi4r5sVAvMcKyKr7Cr6B+6TUhhrN6TXDF/2jtXI/PvzkU9d45PB/ FKUbnVL+pASRBfhVDJtwCJ+PR4ZBfvjf56P/C67nXN8h6f0zHtgJDqlE8H77ypEdPtW3 4ie1Omcxiy+Z4y4ruVLVKOVuyQXM/j189FZgWFVK6IZMkqBju6NkNzRWMqtIC93Xt+Ll d8Lqkp6t+oe8D0ohgbo5K9DjXG5i65OHe0Psj+/2VnIR9KU2NMuZ5kAcxlcZLPW5+8/P 0JTg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXHTvEEBu5Xpo5DUQVTovQx04sbQmSEec++KpR8lgevHk6ebgi4XzIvxl8Y198ev517ZRz69Nr0jzD9Yw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.159.37.215 with SMTP id 81mr1351727uaf.140.1463464731895; Mon, 16 May 2016 22:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.159.38.53 with HTTP; Mon, 16 May 2016 22:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 11:28:51 +0530 Message-ID: From: dexter i To: mpls@ietf.org, kireeti@juniper.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113cf7587c72bb0533036f5b Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] Question on rfc4206 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 06:05:27 -0000 --001a113cf7587c72bb0533036f5b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I was going through the rfc4206. It describes adding an lsp as one of the link into IGP. Is it not similar to IGP shortcuts described in rfc3906. what additional functionality does 4206 provide over 3906 besides it is setup in GMPLS environment. thanks --001a113cf7587c72bb0533036f5b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I was going through the rfc4206. It= describes adding an lsp as one of
the link into IGP. Is it not similar = to IGP shortcuts described in rfc3906.
what additional functional= ity does 4206 provide over 3906 besides it
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--001a113cf7587c72bb0533036f5b-- From nobody Tue May 17 00:37:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268AD12B00A; Tue, 17 May 2016 00:37:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Liaison Statement Management Tool To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160517073747.22347.78967.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 00:37:47 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List , itu-t-liaison@iab.org, Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Discussion List , Ross Callon Subject: [mpls] New Liaison Statement, "Update on MPLS-TP protection work in MPLS and PALS working groups" X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 07:37:47 -0000 Title: Update on MPLS-TP protection work in MPLS and PALS working groups Submission Date: 2016-05-17 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1474/ From: "Scott Mansfield" To: tsbsg15@itu.int, tom.huber@coriant.com, lihan@chinamobile.com Cc: Alvaro Retana ,Deborah Brungard ,itu-t-liaison@iab.org,Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List ,Stewart Bryant ,Scott Mansfield ,George Swallow ,Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Discussion List ,John Drake ,Alia Atlas ,Andrew Malis ,Loa Andersson ,Ross Callon , Response Contacts: Loa Andersson ,George Swallow ,Ross Callon ,Andrew Malis ,Stewart Bryant Technical Contacts: Scott Mansfield Purpose: In response Referenced liaison: LS on work on MPLS-TP protection (https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1462/) Body: The MPLS and PALS Working Groups are pleased to hear about the continued progress on the MPLS Transport Profile and continued alignment with IETF RFCs. We confirm that "MPLS-TP Shared-Ring protection (MSRP) mechanism for ring topology†(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-shared-ring-protection) is progressing in the MPLS WG, and invite comments on this draft to the MPLS WG mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). In addition, we are also progressing a draft on "Resilient MPLS Rings" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-rmr). The PALS WG currently has two drafts in progress that are relevant to MPLS-TP pseudowire linear protection: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-coordination https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pals-mpls-tp-dual-homing-protection These drafts provide a fast protection mechanism for MPLS-TP PWs to protect dual-homed CEs against failures of their attachment circuits or PE routers. The drafts are ongoing work and were very recently updated. We hope to complete work on these drafts by the upcoming IETF meeting in Berlin on July 17-22, 2016, and would very much appreciate SG15’s review and comments to the pals@ietf.org email list. We are also pleased to hear about the second amendment to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382, "Linear protection switching for MPLS transport profile." In addition to maintaining communication with liaisons, please engage on the MPLS WG mailing list (mpls@ietf.org) and PALS WG mailing list (pals@ietf.org) which provide a more timely view of the state of the work. 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ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6409912D09C; Wed, 18 May 2016 02:46:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160518094638.14673.34549.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 02:46:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] The MPLS WG has placed draft-saad-mpls-base-yang in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 09:46:38 -0000 The MPLS WG has placed draft-saad-mpls-base-yang in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Loa Andersson) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-saad-mpls-base-yang/ From nobody Wed May 18 03:00:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F5E12B053; Wed, 18 May 2016 03:00:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qj7y0OcWl2Zj; Wed, 18 May 2016 03:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12D8C12B02D; Wed, 18 May 2016 03:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [112.200.224.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2424B18013E4; Wed, 18 May 2016 12:00:44 +0200 (CEST) To: "mpls@ietf.org" , draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org, draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org, "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <08323184-dfb3-d94f-a210-5c189a6f450a@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 18:00:32 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] IPR poll on mpls-static and mpls-base X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 10:00:53 -0000 Working Group, The authors of draft-saad-mpls-base-yang and draft-saad-mpls-static- yang has told us that the documents is ready to be considered for working adoption. The documents have been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll in parallel to the the adoption poll. This mail starts the IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). There is no IPR disclosure filed directly against any of the documents. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. /Loa mpls wg co-chair -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Wed May 18 03:01:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B70212B053; Wed, 18 May 2016 03:01:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yClrtn1diPc1; Wed, 18 May 2016 03:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D54E612B056; Wed, 18 May 2016 03:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [112.200.224.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5AC0818013E4; Wed, 18 May 2016 12:01:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Loa Andersson To: "mpls@ietf.org" Message-ID: <729f6a0b-6222-7100-3b79-2291870d4421@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 18:01:15 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org, draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org, "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document (mpls-static and mpls-base) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 10:01:35 -0000 Working Group, This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-saad-mpls-static- yang-03 and draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 as MPLS working group documents. Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that the document should not be adopted as a working group document. There are no IPR disclosures against either document. 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Malis" Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 09:24:21 -0400 Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c110014b6cdb705331dc757 Archived-At: Cc: draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org, "mpls@ietf.org" , draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org, "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document (mpls-static and mpls-base) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 13:24:44 -0000 --94eb2c110014b6cdb705331dc757 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Loa, I support both of these drafts for adoption, they are a good basis for the work. Cheers, Andy On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > > Working Group, > > This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-saad-mpls-static- > yang-03 and draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 as MPLS working group > documents. > > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working > group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical > motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that > the document should not be adopted as a working group document. > > There are no IPR disclosures against either document. An IPR poll has > been started in parallel to this adoption poll > > The working group adoption poll ends June 2, 2016, given that the IPR > poll has concluded. > > /Loa > > MPLS wg co-chair. > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --94eb2c110014b6cdb705331dc757 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loa,

I support both of these drafts for= adoption, they are a good basis for the work.

Che= ers,
Andy

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

Working Group,

This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-saad-mpls-static-
yang-03 and draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 as MPLS working group
documents.

Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working
group mailing list (mpls= @ietf.org). Please give a technical
motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that
the document should not be adopted as a working group document.

There are no IPR disclosures against either document. An IPR poll has
been started in parallel to this adoption poll

The working group adoption poll ends June 2, 2016, given that the IPR
poll has concluded.

/Loa

MPLS wg co-chair.
--


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=C2= =A0 Please let me know.=C2=A0Thanks, Nalini ElkinsInside Products, Inc.www.insidethestack.com(831) 659-8360 From: "nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com" To: Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List =20 Cc: "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:50 AM Subject: [mpls] Remote Mentor Needed: Internet Draft Review Team : MPLS / = BESS: Spanish =20 People,=20 We are forming teams of new-ish people to start working together to review = drafts and pose comments on the list.=20 This team has 2 people from Argentina (more will be joining over time).=C2= =A0 They wish to study drafts in MPLS / BESS.=C2=A0 The discussions will be= conducted in Spanish (preferred) or English.=20 The drafts they are interested in are:=20 draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp-03 draft-ietf-mpls-rmr-01 draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-03 draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02 (Please let me know if you think it would be better if they read other draf= ts.) They are to read the drafts and have 5 questions ready for discussion.=C2= =A0 The questions can be either things they do not understand, things they = think need to be clearer in the draft or need to be fixed.=20 I would appreciate your help very much for both of the following, please le= t me know.=20 1.=C2=A0 If you will be able to help them in Argentina time zone in a webin= ar in Spanish (preferred) or English.=C2=A0 Commitment is one hour per mont= h live and some email contact.=20 2.=C2=A0 If you will be able to help them via email support only.=20 Please help, if you can.=20 BTW, a number of other teams have also started including: Spanish DNSOP, an= d Portugese 6lo / 6tisch / roll, and English 6lo / 6tisch / roll.=C2=A0 Oth= er groups are forming. =C2=A0=20 Thank you all very much.=20 =20 Nalini Elkins IETF Mentoring Team Inside Products, Inc. www.insidethestack.com (831) 659-8360 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls ------=_Part_4087579_2038623645.1463578200822 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Guys,

I sent this before.  But, I will now take English, if I hav= e to!   Please let me know.
 
Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
Inside= Products, Inc.
www.i= nsidethestack.com
(83= 1) 659-8360


From: "n= alini.elkins@insidethestack.com" <nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com> To: Multiprotocol Label= Switching Discussion List <mpls@ietf.org>
Cc: "mentoring-coordinators@ietf.org" <mentor= ing-coordinators@ietf.org>
Sen= t: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: [mpls] Remote Mentor Needed: Int= ernet Draft Review Team : MPLS / BESS: Spanish

Peopl= e,

We are forming teams of new-ish people to start working together= to review drafts and pose comments on the list.

This team has 2 pe= ople from Argentina (more will be joining over time).  They wish to st= udy drafts in MPLS / BESS.  The discussions will be conducted in Spani= sh (preferred) or English.

The drafts they are interested in are: <= br>
draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp-03
draft-ietf-mpls-rmr-01
draft= -ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-03

draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02
(Please let me know if you think it would be better if they read othe= r drafts.)
They are to read the drafts and have 5 questions ready for di= scussion.  The questions can be either things they do not understand, = things they think need to be clearer in the draft or need to be fixed.
=
I would appreciate your help very much for both of the following, pleas= e let me know.

1.  If you will be able to help them in Argenti= na time zone in a webinar in Spanish (preferred) or English.  Commitme= nt is one hour per month live and some email contact.

2.  If y= ou will be able to help them via email support only.

Please help, i= f you can.

BTW, a number of other teams have also started including= : Spanish DNSOP, and Portugese 6lo / 6tisch / roll, and English 6lo / 6tisc= h / roll.  Other groups are forming.
 
Thank you all very = much.


Nalini Elkins

IETF Mentoring Team
Inside Produ= cts, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
(831) 659-8360

______________= _________________________________
mpls mailing list
mpls@ietf.org
https:/= /www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls


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They wish to study drafts in MPLS / BESS. The discussions will be conducted in Spanish (preferred) or English. > > The drafts they are interested in are: > > draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp-03 > draft-ietf-mpls-rmr-01 > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-03 > > draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02 > > (Please let me know if you think it would be better if they read other drafts.) > They are to read the drafts and have 5 questions ready for discussion. The questions can be either things they do not understand, things they think need to be clearer in the draft or need to be fixed. > > I would appreciate your help very much for both of the following, please let me know. > > 1. If you will be able to help them in Argentina time zone in a webinar in Spanish (preferred) or English. Commitment is one hour per month live and some email contact. > > 2. If you will be able to help them via email support only. > > Please help, if you can. > > BTW, a number of other teams have also started including: Spanish DNSOP, and Portugese 6lo / 6tisch / roll, and English 6lo / 6tisch / roll. Other groups are forming. > > Thank you all very much. > > > Nalini Elkins > > IETF Mentoring Team > Inside Products, Inc. > www.insidethestack.com > (831) 659-8360 -- ================================================================ Always remember that you are unique...just like everyone else... 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mpls-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp Working Group, This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-a= pp-aware-tldp. Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). There were one IPR disclosure against the individual draft that this docume= nt replaced. The document shepherd and working group chairs are frequently asked about t= he working group discussions related to any IPR disclosures. We like to remind the working group that discussion on the content and vali= dity of an IPR disclosure should not take place on the MPLS wg list or any = IETF mailing lists. However we are looking for simple statements whether you think the working = group should continue progress the document, regardless of an existing IPR = disclosure. Please include this information in your "support/do not support= " when responding to working group adoption calls and last calls. All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on the wo= rking group mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that rel= ates to this draft. 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Any chance I could get you to be their mentor? =C2=A0English will be OK. = =C2=A0Even by email is fine. I really want to get these two young men started contributing. Nalini From: Huub van Helvoort To: mpls@ietf.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [mpls] Remote Mentor Needed: Internet Draft Review Team : MPL= S / BESS: Spanish =20 Hello Nalini, If they are interested in draft-ietf-mpls-rmr tehy may also be interested in: draft-cheng-mpls-tp-shared-ring-protection Cheers, Huub. .elkins@insidethestack.com wrote: > People, > > We are forming teams of new-ish people to start working together to revie= w drafts and pose comments on the list. > > This team has 2 people from Argentina (more will be joining over time).= =C2=A0 They wish to study drafts in MPLS / BESS.=C2=A0 The discussions will= be conducted in Spanish (preferred) or English. > > The drafts they are interested in are: > > draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp-03 > draft-ietf-mpls-rmr-01 > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-03 > > draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02 > > (Please let me know if you think it would be better if they read other dr= afts.) > They are to read the drafts and have 5 questions ready for discussion.=C2= =A0 The questions can be either things they do not understand, things they = think need to be clearer in the draft or need to be fixed. > > I would appreciate your help very much for both of the following, please = let me know. > > 1.=C2=A0 If you will be able to help them in Argentina time zone in a web= inar in Spanish (preferred) or English.=C2=A0 Commitment is one hour per mo= nth live and some email contact. > > 2.=C2=A0 If you will be able to help them via email support only. > > Please help, if you can. > > BTW, a number of other teams have also started including: Spanish DNSOP, = and Portugese 6lo / 6tisch / roll, and English 6lo / 6tisch / roll.=C2=A0 O= ther groups are forming. > > Thank you all very much. > > > Nalini Elkins > > IETF Mentoring Team > Inside Products, Inc. > www.insidethestack.com > (831) 659-8360 --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Always remember that you are unique...just like everyone else... _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls ------=_Part_4201388_255366718.1463582640051 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Tha= nks, Huub!

Any chance I could get you to = be their mentor?  English will be OK.  Even by email is fine.
=
I really want t= o get these two young men started contributing.

Nalini


Fro= m: Huub van Helvoort <huubatwork@gmail.com>
To: mpls@ietf.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [mpls] Rem= ote Mentor Needed: Internet Draft Review Team : MPLS / BESS: Spanish

Hello Nalini,

If the= y are interested in draft-ietf-mpls-rmr
tehy may also be = interested in:
draft-cheng-mpls-tp-shared-ring-protection=

Cheers, Huub.


.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:> People,
>
> = We are forming teams of new-ish people to start working together to review = drafts and pose comments on the list.
>
> This team has 2 people from Argentina (more will be joining over t= ime).  They wish to study drafts in MPLS / BESS.  The discussions= will be conducted in Spanish (preferred) or English.
>= ;
> The drafts they are interested in are:
>
> draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp-03
> draft-ietf-mpls-rmr-01
> draft-ietf-m= pls-spring-entropy-label-03
>
> d= raft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-02
>
>= ; (Please let me know if you think it would be better if they read other dr= afts.)
> They are to read the drafts and have 5 questi= ons ready for discussion.  The questions can be either things they do = not understand, things they think need to be clearer in the draft or need t= o be fixed.
>
> I would appreciat= e your help very much for both of the following, please let me know.
>
> 1.  If you will be able to hel= p them in Argentina time zone in a webinar in Spanish (preferred) or Englis= h.  Commitment is one hour per month live and some email contact.
>
> 2.  If you will be able to h= elp them via email support only.
>
&= gt; Please help, if you can.
>
> = BTW, a number of other teams have also started including: Spanish DNSOP, an= d Portugese 6lo / 6tisch / roll, and English 6lo / 6tisch / roll.  Oth= er groups are forming.
>
> Thank = you all very much.
>
>
> Nalini Elkins
>
> = IETF Mentoring Team
> Inside Products, Inc.
> www.insidethestack.com
> (831) 659-8360=


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Always r= emember that you are unique...just like everyone else...


_________= ______________________________________
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------=_Part_4201388_255366718.1463582640051-- From nobody Wed May 18 08:56:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6669A12D113; Wed, 18 May 2016 08:56:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160518155615.14617.38102.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 08:56:15 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-mrt-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 15:56:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF. Title : LDP Extensions to Support Maximally Redundant Trees Authors : Alia Atlas Kishore Tiruveedhula Chris Bowers Jeff Tantsura IJsbrand Wijnands Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-mrt-03.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2016-05-18 Abstract: This document specifies extensions to the Label Distribution Protocol(LDP) to support the creation of label-switched paths for Maximally Redundant Trees (MRT). A prime use of MRTs is for unicast and multicast IP/LDP Fast-Reroute, which we will refer to as MRT-FRR. The sole protocol extension to LDP is simply the ability to advertise an MRT Capability. This document describes that extension and the associated behavior expected for LSRs and LERs advertising the MRT Capability. MRT-FRR uses LDP multi-topology extensions and requires three different multi-topology IDs to be allocated from the MPLS MT-ID space. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-mrt/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-mrt-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-mrt-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Regards, - Xufeng > -----Original Message----- > From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson > Sent: Friday, May 6, 2016 10:06 PM > To: mpls@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls= -app- > aware-tldp. >=20 > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). >=20 > There were one IPR disclosure against the individual draft that this docu= ment > replaced. >=20 > The document shepherd and working group chairs are frequently asked about > the working group discussions related to any IPR disclosures. >=20 > We like to remind the working group that discussion on the content and va= lidity > of an IPR disclosure should not take place on the MPLS wg list or any IET= F > mailing lists. >=20 > However we are looking for simple statements whether you think the workin= g > group should continue progress the document, regardless of an existing IP= R > disclosure. Please include this information in your "support/do not suppo= rt" > when responding to working group adoption calls and last calls. >=20 > All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on the = working > group mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates= to this > draft. >=20 > This working group last call ends May 22, 2016. >=20 >=20 > /Loa > for the MPLS wg chairs > -- >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From nobody Wed May 18 13:14:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF41812D6BB; Wed, 18 May 2016 13:14:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160518201433.14700.73608.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 13:14:33 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping-03.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 20:14:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF. Title : Label Switched Path (LSP) and Pseudowire (PW) Ping/Trace over MPLS Network using Entropy Labels (EL) Authors : Nobo Akiya George Swallow Carlos Pignataro Andrew G. Malis Sam Aldrin Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping-03.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2016-05-18 Abstract: The Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping and Traceroute are used to exercise specific paths of Equal-Cost Multipath (ECMP). When LSP is signaled to use Entropy Label (EL) described in RFC 6790, the ability for LSP Ping and Traceroute operation to discover and exercise ECMP paths has been lost in scenarios which LSRs apply deviating load balance techniques. One such scenario is when some LSRs apply EL based load balancing while other LSRs apply non-EL based load balancing (ex: IP). Another scenario is when EL based LSP is stitched with another LSP which can be EL based or non-EL based. This document extends the MPLS LSP Ping and Traceroute mechanisms to restore the ability of exercising specific paths of ECMP over LSP which make use of the Entropy Label. This document updates RFC 4379, RFC 6424, and RFC 6790. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed May 18 13:14:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BCA12D6DA; Wed, 18 May 2016 13:14:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160518201453.14689.9477.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 13:14:53 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis-05.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 20:14:53 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF. Title : Detecting Multi-Protocol Label Switched (MPLS) Data Plane Failures Authors : Kireeti Kompella Carlos Pignataro Nagendra Kumar Sam Aldrin Mach(Guoyi) Chen Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis-05.txt Pages : 67 Date : 2016-05-18 Abstract: This document describes a simple and efficient mechanism that can be used to detect data plane failures in Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). There are two parts to this document: information carried in an MPLS "echo request" and "echo reply" for the purposes of fault detection and isolation, and mechanisms for reliably sending the echo reply. This document obsoletes RFCs 4379, 6424, and 6829. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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This is likely the most significant change to = 4379bis. Please, review the new version thoroughly and send any comments and = concerns to the list. Diffs at https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis-05= Thanks! =E2=80=94 Carlos. > On May 18, 2016, at 4:14 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the = IETF. >=20 > Title : Detecting Multi-Protocol Label Switched = (MPLS) Data Plane Failures > Authors : Kireeti Kompella > Carlos Pignataro > Nagendra Kumar > Sam Aldrin > Mach(Guoyi) Chen > Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis-05.txt > Pages : 67 > Date : 2016-05-18 >=20 > Abstract: > This document describes a simple and efficient mechanism that can be > used to detect data plane failures in Multi-Protocol Label Switching > (MPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). There are two parts to this > document: information carried in an MPLS "echo request" and "echo > reply" for the purposes of fault detection and isolation, and > mechanisms for reliably sending the echo reply. >=20 > This document obsoletes RFCs 4379, 6424, and 6829. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis-05 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis-05 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --Apple-Mail=_1A304338-2164-4EB1-AEF6-220ECB53AA2A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi, WG,

As = presented in Buenos Aires, we updated draft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis to = incorporate RFC 6424. This is likely the most significant change to = 4379bis.

Please,= review the new version thoroughly and send any comments and concerns to = the list. 

Diffs at https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis-= 05

Thanks!

=E2=80=94 Carlos.

On = May 18, 2016, at 4:14 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line = Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of = the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

       Title =           : Detecting = Multi-Protocol Label Switched (MPLS) Data Plane Failures
=        Authors =         : Kireeti Kompella
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;Carlos Pignataro
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;Nagendra Kumar
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;Sam Aldrin
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;Mach(Guoyi) Chen
Filename =        : = draft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis-05.txt
Pages =           : 67
= Date =            : = 2016-05-18

Abstract:
=   This document describes a simple and efficient mechanism = that can be
  used to detect data plane = failures in Multi-Protocol Label Switching
=   (MPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs).  There are two = parts to this
  document: information carried = in an MPLS "echo request" and "echo
  reply" = for the purposes of fault detection and isolation, and
=   mechanisms for reliably sending the echo reply.

  This document obsoletes RFCs = 4379, 6424, and 6829.


The = IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis/

There's also a htmlized version available = at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis-05

A diff from the previous version is available = at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-rfc4379bis-= 05


Please note that it may = take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until = the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by = anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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One question we have to answer in the Shepherd Write Up is about existing implementations or intentions to implement. This is to start the Implementation Poll. If you have or are aware of existing implementations of or intentions to implement draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping please send this information to the working group mailing list or directly to the working group chairs. /Loa mpls wg co-chair -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Thu May 19 00:54:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F3C12B029; Thu, 19 May 2016 00:54:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.608 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.608 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] 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This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF. Title : MPLS Transport Profile Linear Protection MIB Authors : Kingston Smiler Selvaraj Venkatesan Mahalingam Vishwas Manral Daniel King Sam Aldrin Jeong-dong Ryoo Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-tp-linear-protection-mib-08.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2016-05-19 Abstract: This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols. In particular it defines objects for managing MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Linear Protection. 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15.00.1104.009; Thu, 19 May 2016 09:34:40 -0500 From: "Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi)" To: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" , "draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org" , "draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR poll on mpls-static and mpls-base Thread-Index: AQHRsOwspylQADWkB0a2u76J4mmly5/AZggA Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 14:34:40 +0000 Message-ID: References: <08323184-dfb3-d94f-a210-5c189a6f450a@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <08323184-dfb3-d94f-a210-5c189a6f450a@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.2.150604 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.66.154] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on mpls-static and mpls-base X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 14:34:44 -0000 Hi All, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to these two drafts. draft-saad-mpls-base-yang draft-saad-mpls-static-yang Thanks, Rakesh On 2016-05-18 6:00 AM, "Loa Andersson" wrote: >Working Group, > >The authors of draft-saad-mpls-base-yang and draft-saad-mpls-static- >yang has told us that the documents is ready to be considered for >working adoption. > >The documents have been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll >in parallel to the the adoption poll. > >This mail starts the IPR poll. > >Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp? > >If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > >There is no IPR disclosure filed directly against any of the documents. > >If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to >this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant >IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The >document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been >received from each author and contributor. > >If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or >contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any >IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > >/Loa >mpls wg co-chair >--=20 > > >Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Thu May 19 07:39:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D2912D168; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <38DE0F6AF71F7249837CB84D380548E8@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org" , "draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document (mpls-static and mpls-base) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 14:39:40 -0000 Hi Loa, Support (as a co-author) draft-saad-mpls-static-yang-03 draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 Thanks, Rakesh On 2016-05-18 6:01 AM, "Loa Andersson" wrote: > >Working Group, > >This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-saad-mpls-static- >yang-03 and draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 as MPLS working group >documents. > >Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working >group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical >motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that >the document should not be adopted as a working group document. > >There are no IPR disclosures against either document. An IPR poll has >been started in parallel to this adoption poll > >The working group adoption poll ends June 2, 2016, given that the IPR >poll has concluded. > >/Loa > >MPLS wg co-chair. >--=20 > > >Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Thu May 19 09:24:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB5C12D888; Thu, 19 May 2016 09:24:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.647 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.647 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hcpZOH47Zc9W; 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Thanks Regards =8A Zafar > >On 2016-05-18 6:01 AM, "Loa Andersson" wrote: > >> >>Working Group, >> >>This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-saad-mpls-static- >>yang-03 and draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 as MPLS working group >>documents. >> >>Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working >>group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical >>motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that >>the document should not be adopted as a working group document. >> >>There are no IPR disclosures against either document. An IPR poll has >>been started in parallel to this adoption poll >> >>The working group adoption poll ends June 2, 2016, given that the IPR >>poll has concluded. >> >>/Loa >> >>MPLS wg co-chair. >>--=20 >> >> >>Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >>Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >>Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > >_______________________________________________ >mpls mailing list >mpls@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From nobody Thu May 19 11:57:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5858012DBA2; Thu, 19 May 2016 11:57:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rYixT2S3fwzB; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <30418768CA8F974CA2D2A916B2C472FC@cable.comcast.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Forward X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrLIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsWSUOxpofuLxy7cYOoieYtrO9azW/zd38Vo 8W/uHGaLdZdPsVncWrqS1YHVY8mSn0wes6a3sQUwRXHZpKTmZJalFunbJXBlnNzYx1hwn6ei bUoHawPjR84uRk4OCQETib2f1jJ1MXJxCAnMZJJYOfMiG4RziFHi0qUJ7BDOSUaJF9snsYO0 sAnoSOz+3AqWEBHoZ5Jo2tDC2MXIwSEsYCTx+KYcSI2IgLHE7Dv/mSBsI4m9T+aC2SwCqhK7 3n9lAbF5Bcwkmq5tBosLCVhI7Ok+zQxicwpYSvyZ8QGshlFATOL7qTVgNcwC4hK3nsxngjhb QGLJnvPMELaoxMvH/1hBbFEBPYkv9+YxQsR1JM5efwJlG0hsXbqPBeRMCQF5iY9zoUbqSCzY /YkNwnaQuLL1LjuErS2xbOFrZogzBSVOznzCAjFGXOLwkR2sExilZiG5aBaSUbOQjJqFZNQs JKMWMLKuYpQrS0xMSc7NyC8tMTDSS05MyknVS87PTU4sLgHRmxhBkV4k47OD8dM0j0OMAhyM Sjy8r9jtwoVYE8uKK3OB0cPBrCTC6w9ME0K8KYmVValF+fFFpTmpxYcYpTlYlMR5+37YhgsJ pCeWpGanphakFsFkmTg4pRoYy1W23pLjtrqT+sn3QNPS96obHuQuODFP94ym0Q6VXxbXTsp9 KZF975F9c9uvw8fusl5aeV0ncVbDx3aVretvXo4TC27p1RDrOL0js/iqKpuzQJbZqwrTp9ur LguJfb3W1KvefvLzESXVQNvurpu5eVU7Nv9bYFmz4fn+05cfRPy1+JRkxNuSosRSnJFoqMVc VJwIAFGIfm3wAgAA Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on mpls-static and mpls-base X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 18:59:12 -0000 Hi all,=20 I am not aware of any IPR that applies to the documents: draft-saad-mpls-static-yang-03 and draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00. Thanks, On 5/18/16, 6:00 AM, "Loa Andersson" wrote: >Working Group, > >The authors of draft-saad-mpls-base-yang and draft-saad-mpls-static- >yang has told us that the documents is ready to be considered for >working adoption. > >The documents have been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll >in parallel to the the adoption poll. > >This mail starts the IPR poll. > >Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp? > >If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > >There is no IPR disclosure filed directly against any of the documents. > >If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to >this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant >IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The >document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been >received from each author and contributor. > >If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or >contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any >IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > >/Loa >mpls wg co-chair >--=20 > > >Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > From nobody Thu May 19 12:14:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962E712DBEE; Thu, 19 May 2016 12:14:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.327 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.327 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1R4hCITw6L-3; Thu, 19 May 2016 12:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaadcmhout02.cable.comcast.com (vaadcmhout02.cable.comcast.com [96.114.28.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B1DE12DBF6; Thu, 19 May 2016 12:14:44 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 60721c4c-cbfff7000000afc3-b9-573e0d1ff890 Received: from VAADCEX26.cable.comcast.com (vaadcmhoutvip.cable.comcast.com [96.115.73.56]) (using TLS with cipher AES256-SHA256 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by (SMTP Gateway) with SMTP id 9C.C5.44995.F1D0E375; Thu, 19 May 2016 14:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VAADCEX31.cable.comcast.com (147.191.103.208) by VAADCEX26.cable.comcast.com (147.191.103.203) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1130.7; Thu, 19 May 2016 14:59:42 -0400 Received: from VAADCEX31.cable.comcast.com ([fe80::3aea:a7ff:fe12:e278]) by VAADCEX31.cable.comcast.com ([fe80::3aea:a7ff:fe12:e278%19]) with mapi id 15.00.1130.005; Thu, 19 May 2016 14:59:42 -0400 From: "Wen, Bin" To: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document (mpls-static and mpls-base) Thread-Index: AQHRsOxEv+/yIiFAtEWc5WEuhbkm25/An18A Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 18:59:42 +0000 Message-ID: References: <729f6a0b-6222-7100-3b79-2291870d4421@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <729f6a0b-6222-7100-3b79-2291870d4421@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.4.160422 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [68.87.29.7] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3620EC58D5655B4FA8E1ABA33FFD52C0@cable.comcast.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Forward X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrNIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsWSUOxpoSvPaxdusO6QgsW1HevZLf7u72K0 +Dd3DrPFusun2CxuLV3J6sDqsWTJTyaPWdPb2AKYorhsUlJzMstSi/TtErgynu9sZi5Yz1Fx 6fkapgbGPWxdjJwcEgImEl2T/rF0MXJxCAnMZJK4c/EJE4RziFHiSP8MRgjnJKPE5M9vwVrY BHQkdn9uZQexRQTsJDa++gdWxCxwkVHiV18rE0hCWCBR4njHeiaIoiSJ+a/2MULYRhLvVx5l BbFZBFQlGvYcYwaxeQXMJFatXAwWFxKwkDj1ZTrYMk4BS4kXrRvBehkFxCS+n1oDNpNZQFzi 1pP5TBA/CEgs2XOeGcIWlXj5+B/YHFEBPYkv9+YxQsR1JM5efwJlG0hsXbqPBcKWk5j7+h4L xEwdiQW7P7FB2A4SK9Z1Qe3Slli28DXUnYISJ2c+geoVlzh8ZAfrBEbpWUhOmoVk1Cwko2Yh GTULyagFjKyrGOXKEhNTknMz8ktLDIz0khOTclL1kvNzkxOLS0D0JkZQEiiS8dnB+GmaxyFG AQ5GJR7eV+x24UKsiWXFlbnAyOJgVhLh9ecBCvGmJFZWpRblxxeV5qQWH2KU5mBREuft+2Eb LiSQnliSmp2aWpBaBJNl4uCUamBc/2kB26L4y3tcJ10U5nP93e31cHlDY24EU9+5twK9gq37 LLPX75vbdbRZXCNr68XndRoyAXzGhQ82lLq+PG1lZv95D591jECJrtIkxxNnU8Ns917ZZuny aUWabJSxFotpDLPd0dg91T8zbwTnB1kYp8n3LTv9Xd3CkFfy2+opxq1P7Y9daVZiKc5INNRi LipOBABAS1sw/gIAAA== Archived-At: Cc: "draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org" , "draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document (mpls-static and mpls-base) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 19:14:47 -0000 Hi Loa, Support (as a co-author) draft-saad-mpls-static-yang-03 draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 On 5/18/16, 6:01 AM, "Loa Andersson" wrote: > >Working Group, > >This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-saad-mpls-static- >yang-03 and draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 as MPLS working group >documents. > >Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working >group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical >motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that >the document should not be adopted as a working group document. > >There are no IPR disclosures against either document. An IPR poll has >been started in parallel to this adoption poll > >The working group adoption poll ends June 2, 2016, given that the IPR >poll has concluded. > >/Loa > >MPLS wg co-chair. >--=20 > > >Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > From nobody Thu May 19 12:52:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FF212DC18; Thu, 19 May 2016 12:52:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.327 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.327 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WqDR2RxxWnR7; Thu, 19 May 2016 12:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaadcmhout02.cable.comcast.com (vaadcmhout02.cable.comcast.com [96.114.28.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 137B712DBA2; Thu, 19 May 2016 12:52:10 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 60721c4c-ca7ff7000000afc3-29-573e1966a78c Received: from VAADCEX26.cable.comcast.com (vaadcmhoutvip.cable.comcast.com [96.115.73.56]) (using TLS with cipher AES256-SHA256 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by (SMTP Gateway) with SMTP id FE.A7.44995.6691E375; Thu, 19 May 2016 15:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VAADCEX31.cable.comcast.com (147.191.103.208) by VAADCEX26.cable.comcast.com (147.191.103.203) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1130.7; Thu, 19 May 2016 15:52:05 -0400 Received: from VAADCEX31.cable.comcast.com ([fe80::3aea:a7ff:fe12:e278]) by VAADCEX31.cable.comcast.com ([fe80::3aea:a7ff:fe12:e278%19]) with mapi id 15.00.1130.005; Thu, 19 May 2016 15:52:05 -0400 From: "Wen, Bin" To: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" , "draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org" , "draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR poll on mpls-static and mpls-base Thread-Index: AQHRsOwrXLYWzi9XbkqQ4heftchSbp/ArfwA Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 19:52:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: <08323184-dfb3-d94f-a210-5c189a6f450a@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <08323184-dfb3-d94f-a210-5c189a6f450a@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.4.160422 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [68.87.29.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Forward X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrLIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsWSUOxpoZsuaRdu8OydtcW1HevZLf7u72K0 +Dd3DrPFusun2CxuLV3J6sDqsWTJTyaPWdPb2AKYorhsUlJzMstSi/TtErgybt8qLVjLUzHz 8FuWBsbTnF2MnBwSAiYSu+ZOZu5i5OIQEpjJJLFh9Vs2COcQo8TRSw9ZIJyTjBI3+nawgrSw CehI7P7cyg6SEBHoZ5Jo2tDC2MXIwSEsYCTx+KYcSI2IgLHE7Dv/mSBsI4kJjd9YQGwWAVWJ aY+PsIPYvAJmErufP2EEsYUELCT2dJ9mBrE5BSwl/sz4AFbPKCAm8f3UGrA5zALiEreezGeC OFtAYsme88wQtqjEy8f/wG4TFdCT+HJvHiNEXEfi7PUnULaBxNal+1ggbHmJIxP+sUDM1JFY sPsTG4TtIHHq4GmoXdoSyxa+Zoa4U1Di5MwnUL3iEoeP7GCdwCg1C8lJs5CMmoVk1Cwko2Yh GbWAkXUVo1xZYmJKcm5GfmmJgZFecmJSTqpecn5ucmJxCYjexAiK9CIZnx2Mn6Z5HGIU4GBU 4uF9xW4XLsSaWFZcmQuMHw5mJRHesxJAId6UxMqq1KL8+KLSnNTiQ4zSHCxK4rx9P2zDhQTS E0tSs1NTC1KLYLJMHJxSDYwxn7QYJ07YyTg5rkptmqj2gVDRbs157A2ue98LG3V0ntij2rSl 6bDn7Dnx0vnXllRaHmQ+3jWbJdHIetrXKxuPClepql5oKrx/f9nus5q7Z5d4TGBlDY36ujln rcW53UEMuvtjLKdL7KlribV9eIflxArRf43Hs8yYSrQjHlcdKZWqb5l9r1mJpTgj0VCLuag4 EQA8GkA58AIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on mpls-static and mpls-base X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 19:52:12 -0000 Hi Loa, Support (as a co-author) draft-saad-mpls-static-yang-03 draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 On 5/18/16, 6:00 AM, "Loa Andersson" wrote: >Working Group, > >The authors of draft-saad-mpls-base-yang and draft-saad-mpls-static- >yang has told us that the documents is ready to be considered for >working adoption. > >The documents have been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll >in parallel to the the adoption poll. > >This mail starts the IPR poll. > >Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp? > >If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > >There is no IPR disclosure filed directly against any of the documents. > >If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to >this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant >IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The >document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been >received from each author and contributor. > >If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or >contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any >IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > >/Loa >mpls wg co-chair >--=20 > > >Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > From nobody Thu May 19 12:59:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF8C12D705; Thu, 19 May 2016 12:59:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F6et2lapX_Ak; Thu, 19 May 2016 12:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C62112DBA2; Thu, 19 May 2016 12:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id a17so142243922wme.0; Thu, 19 May 2016 12:59:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:thread-index:content-language; bh=5sDaZkK4eXfzAaL7eYsFv0YwQufwMGLEKLSyrg0SGLE=; b=bTykOJPxwqy15wxwRs2CogqDI6+2cES+uhLGLYukGNtp6/sUGJt1YJainzNhv487VE Kyw7qvsf74W+UXOwLXL9Lxm15AjgDNzCSjzoV4oLcgLUAEKIM+nnEAZ58KIqEz2Zoxlx a2Yl9xPOVTQ4fdqlxjT1Da/5zSE2vDSiCKUx2j1aJ30EysbLB6Clsdho1Kp0x3TBcRoJ WyO6h+Blvq8ldXvrAAl88duBmzXssPnjhZpYQSEFTp9rvolynVh5QzKY5xgRCtk7ZBKk nu1gsvAJDjOC3GBo2iUd6ZE9YAHJV35qFoWdRpBFGLzcw25yhnZ73WLZqJPHitmTo6dn s4Fg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=5sDaZkK4eXfzAaL7eYsFv0YwQufwMGLEKLSyrg0SGLE=; b=DkzHGansUR509vu3sNAAC+NflC/r09Sm8NTR8asNx/neWlRI1yabNi/b1c7MlBxKKD 6w4VGZqgGSdr4cBVAKAXW0KVhdj0rWlsLvyJYlM03SUu7vPfbs7FP56yhp4tUNZusGYN gspWHD/muXZq4rnfswRlHPYsor88s6I2XFcG7gJZTxTSbXrBlXGfH3GzvZ5dMx8/pg5+ I8MQtOnCS/cN9p9z/StdWEtis+as/OzCcZ60xuP1atby9jty6zr6U3kKV4HDKTCqolje lSEccY9xm5m73MkAdrT6IrqIsGeynD6ydwS9kioDbJc7fvimVyze2Tf/0FntJZpNNRhO 90Pw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWPJPHVRxIUoljqopGbqa0uBdH9XxPL9nOUrMFczgF6v2TE4RoV5kic2IB7jKdDGQ== X-Received: by 10.194.142.240 with SMTP id rz16mr15141995wjb.126.1463687987096; Thu, 19 May 2016 12:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xliuus (wsip-98-191-72-170.dc.dc.cox.net. [98.191.72.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r5sm16044952wjy.37.2016.05.19.12.59.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 May 2016 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xufeng Liu" To: "'Loa Andersson'" , , , , References: <08323184-dfb3-d94f-a210-5c189a6f450a@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <08323184-dfb3-d94f-a210-5c189a6f450a@pi.nu> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 15:59:43 -0400 Message-ID: <052901d1b208$fe2c8cb0$fa85a610$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQI7LsT6r7saPnS4zv/rCGQyGS0Qip7ts3LQ Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on mpls-static and mpls-base X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 19:59:51 -0000 I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-saad-mpls-base-yang and draft-saad-mpls-static- yang. Thanks, - Xufeng > -----Original Message----- > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 6:01 AM > To: mpls@ietf.org; draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org; = draft-saad-mpls-base- > yang@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: IPR poll on mpls-static and mpls-base >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > The authors of draft-saad-mpls-base-yang and draft-saad-mpls-static- = yang has > told us that the documents is ready to be considered for working = adoption. >=20 > The documents have been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll = in > parallel to the the adoption poll. >=20 > This mail starts the IPR poll. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to = draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules = (see RFCs > 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > There is no IPR disclosure filed directly against any of the = documents. >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond = to this > email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. = *The > response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document = will not > advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each = author > and contributor. >=20 > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author = or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of = any IPR that > has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 >=20 > /Loa > mpls wg co-chair > -- >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Thu May 19 13:02:23 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515BC12DC05; Thu, 19 May 2016 13:02:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W3POtQEoS6MO; Thu, 19 May 2016 13:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89E0812D698; Thu, 19 May 2016 13:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id n129so51921756wmn.1; Thu, 19 May 2016 13:02:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=EcrF9aUtLEqvLVLMIO5rMzZPpF0XxIl7vFIdOtBLPks=; b=C6kwnprVqRxyqVQWJ1i7aIxJ8BtT6sQhJlgf++q7gZ5VQcpNIx0wpjbdH+bsmJiuIe XzNXtZJt2VWBLDGx06OwSKmsq2jqNrZbj8mMfklNjSfskv080P1quTznoH2G12/Mak0o 2lasvBXf7wn5p4oN9LI4OtsCGtWc48rJZNE7Bl1KTcsHy3qwwAAQIqIruIjNWeMM+qVz l4igUJykfSRajkmw7Q0+VitgkyVLD7iobtHR/B7r+qW5wsahSPVqcaZ17qGiNbVhoP3X dSd21BqtPcW+OBdp/Er8+Z068nz9NHnX7n3DzkzXwHjb0vnzvRCm74llN5B8Y8sq2iJL zJqQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=EcrF9aUtLEqvLVLMIO5rMzZPpF0XxIl7vFIdOtBLPks=; b=L7T4L0ZSsnO57aYOyDY84PGvg51QMDc6gudxqsooo3lbfhoii6tdn2ffGckUg4FEgT g4f0fR9LAfFAUVO+Oa06l3QVUQc23MLfbPnOFnXBCLKOcSD2luz6Pt/jcooyM4rzwWkZ l/ssaHiUJ1oG+uu1nuItO2+/TZx9E5rlYzKVLE3+mt/w7spP1Z/M9K16uOYs9J2wEsnh Te4TnGNHtXdAhZGMtcIwF0KGQF236SvoSx6iAYFXQjNMAqXxAKS6tQvc9GBKkM7pOjUP 9Cr4VoSfKSwpt7iELEKDhzMXlVpYNtyr5FYonzra30bI9Mut0FQC2bH8vNAzcKHeJhg0 2mig== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXvrl2WG2S1CE+AkNSTcq/vQlOvbUzQCNamK0Oqc79vF2wq6Z5fB5KYGxV/WPrMQg== X-Received: by 10.28.24.82 with SMTP id 79mr39925940wmy.42.1463688139166; Thu, 19 May 2016 13:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xliuus (wsip-98-191-72-170.dc.dc.cox.net. [98.191.72.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c85sm4771022wmd.0.2016.05.19.13.02.17 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 May 2016 13:02:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xufeng Liu" To: "'Loa Andersson'" , References: <729f6a0b-6222-7100-3b79-2291870d4421@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <729f6a0b-6222-7100-3b79-2291870d4421@pi.nu> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 16:02:16 -0400 Message-ID: <052c01d1b209$58d57910$0a806b30$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQFTmj+72ChCowrrJU3GJtBEZ8tUEaC83d6g Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Cc: draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org, draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org, mpls-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document (mpls-static and mpls-base) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 20:02:22 -0000 Support both (as co-author). Thanks, - Xufeng > -----Original Message----- > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 6:01 AM > To: mpls@ietf.org > Cc: draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org; = draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org; > mpls-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document = (mpls-static > and mpls-base) >=20 >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-saad-mpls-static- > yang-03 and draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 as MPLS working group = documents. >=20 > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working = group > mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical motivation for = your > support/not support, especially if you think that the document should = not be > adopted as a working group document. >=20 > There are no IPR disclosures against either document. An IPR poll has = been > started in parallel to this adoption poll >=20 > The working group adoption poll ends June 2, 2016, given that the IPR = poll has > concluded. >=20 > /Loa >=20 > MPLS wg co-chair. > -- >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Fri May 20 09:46:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4494B12D17D; Fri, 20 May 2016 09:46:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Liaison Statement Management Tool To: "Andrew Malis" , "Loa Andersson" , "Ross Callon" , "Stewart Bryant" , "George Swallow" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160520164629.360.26155.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 09:46:29 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: tom.huber@coriant.com, Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List , itu-t-liaison@iab.org, lihan@chinamobile.com, Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Discussion List , Ross Callon Subject: [mpls] New Liaison Statement, "SG15-LS352: LS on intention to Consent Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014)" X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 16:46:30 -0000 Title: SG15-LS352: LS on intention to Consent Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) Submission Date: 2016-05-20 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1477/ Please reply by 2016-09-19 From: "Tom Huber" To: Loa Andersson ,George Swallow ,Ross Callon ,Andrew Malis ,Stewart Bryant Cc: Alvaro Retana ,Deborah Brungard ,Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List ,Stewart Bryant ,Scott Mansfield ,George Swallow ,Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Discussion List ,John Drake ,Alia Atlas ,Andrew Malis ,Ross Callon ,Loa Andersson ,itu-t-liaison@iab.org, Response Contacts: tom.huber@coriant.com, lihan@chinamobile.com Technical Contacts: Purpose: For action Body: ITU-T Q9/15 wishes to inform the IETF MPLS WG of our intent to initiate the approval process for Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) at the September 2016 meeting of Study Group 15. This amendment adds material on linear protection switching for pseudowires based on RFC 7771. The current draft of the amendment is attached. We would appreciate any comments you may have on this document in advance of our next meeting, which will be held in Geneva, 19-30 September 2016. We also thank the MPLS WG and PALS WG for the updates you provided concerning your work on MPLS-TP shared protection rings, resilient MPLS rings, and dual homed pseudowire protection, and have encouraged those SG15 participants who are interested in this work to participate on the relevant IETF mailing lists. Attachments: LS on intention to Consent Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg-15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to-consent-amendment-2-to-recommendation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-1.pdf Draft Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) (for Consent, 30 September 2016) https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg-15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to-consent-amendment-2-to-recommendation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-2.pdf From nobody Fri May 20 11:32:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D412712D566; Fri, 20 May 2016 11:32:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZyGO7ulIK8DF; Fri, 20 May 2016 11:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x22e.google.com (mail-oi0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB66012D1AA; Fri, 20 May 2016 11:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id b65so48067242oia.1; Fri, 20 May 2016 11:31:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=C1JTEk8fwxVrooO0xpR7uxH3hGg6sJXjlZQZOz5DB00=; b=q27mjNDm6QKkse/LsuQ1WL4okoVkrLzriWjLuKV6P7MzMFCx4NLP6Q0W5l40IWqLMz glA96/DSRpOSby+6HHNf/COil7BW9qNhX2Dnz1GJM0mWju5Smuxw0uFxxEwjVWA0EvOz FNcLskZ9ge0G2lW7+RrXUxn1ZRKP4VGFS2BD7BvZaoiNBQ7wBI2Ap2+11QOA5L9GlNNV jyUsfrq++MfrAO14YYJ8Ibi781yWx0HYjatsLV5J1VDauOa10M5oYiVL9sIHEGLxmJJW 4W29c9xBr9jM+wTbvRZ3DQR7/IgV7/kUap8ok/pzXMHqm79emKMZmeP1/0zJzv0C8Rpg vYLA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=C1JTEk8fwxVrooO0xpR7uxH3hGg6sJXjlZQZOz5DB00=; b=nIaHDUDfjb2MtWpYn4l056mjvN9IpIAnyj+mlLtVtrj6BuAgKNF2iKiGl8gPswnM89 HooHuOdj2whzvpku99Xc3svkrdFWGxgr0PZyc2y99uE1ttG9qD1q08VJ5g1vywMic20k QlkROj5BHmoC9tEmNSqTHahdd/VUgly5x3DOjP+3cx7eumZR0J4HmZ4kbgcSX3O7PC2r fXEdBvuOoc8G9KmcT63dQ710B7rIFiL7ifKkL127kh1GTcUMGmOB9ecbp+ZemyXWYWGH pbAkuGhRgHDx6g+RT7Brp3OUqcgabAbImfJv+MyVevyoPl7+SiVscMfmnJMtm7A4G5TI kyUg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXjjwWHL0SmcCJ3T0Zq5gY8DiV/sXXMkoLPWZCbK68CZpjqF26NvRwBPIw8aEm6SglL6YcDTsFepayA2A== X-Received: by 10.202.44.202 with SMTP id s193mr2448935ois.122.1463769119227; Fri, 20 May 2016 11:31:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.231.106 with HTTP; Fri, 20 May 2016 11:31:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160520164629.360.26155.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20160520164629.360.26155.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 14:31:39 -0400 Message-ID: To: Liaison Statement Management Tool Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1138e35a62843105334a4efb Archived-At: Cc: tom.huber@coriant.com, Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List , itu-t-liaison@iab.org, lihan , Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services Discussion List , Ross Callon Subject: Re: [mpls] New Liaison Statement, "SG15-LS352: LS on intention to Consent Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014)" X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 18:32:03 -0000 --001a1138e35a62843105334a4efb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, As this liaison is primarily concerned with pseudowire protection switching and refers to a PALS RFC, we=E2=80=99ll use the PALS email list to coordina= te a response. Please send any comments that you may have on Draft Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) to pals@ietf.org, and we=E2=80= =99ll use received comments to draft a response. Thanks, Andy On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Liaison Statement Management Tool < lsmt@ietf.org> wrote: > Title: SG15-LS352: LS on intention to Consent Amendment 2 to > Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) > Submission Date: 2016-05-20 > URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1477/ > Please reply by 2016-09-19 > From: "Tom Huber" > To: Loa Andersson ,George Swallow ,Ros= s > Callon ,Andrew Malis ,Stewart > Bryant > Cc: Alvaro Retana ,Deborah Brungard ,M= ultiprotocol > Label Switching Discussion List ,Stewart Bryant < > stewart.bryant@gmail.com>,Scott Mansfield ,= George > Swallow ,Pseudowire And LDP-enabled Services > Discussion List ,John Drake ,Alia > Atlas ,Andrew Malis ,Ross Callon < > rcallon@juniper.net>,Loa Andersson ,itu-t-liaison@iab.org, > Response Contacts: tom.huber@coriant.com, lihan@chinamobile.com > Technical Contacts: > Purpose: For action > > Body: ITU-T Q9/15 wishes to inform the IETF MPLS WG of our intent to > initiate the approval process for Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T > G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) at the September 2016 meeting of Study Group 15. Thi= s > amendment adds material on linear protection switching for pseudowires > based on RFC 7771. The current draft of the amendment is attached. We wou= ld > appreciate any comments you may have on this document in advance of our > next meeting, which will be held in Geneva, 19-30 September 2016. > > We also thank the MPLS WG and PALS WG for the updates you provided > concerning your work on MPLS-TP shared protection rings, resilient MPLS > rings, and dual homed pseudowire protection, and have encouraged those SG= 15 > participants who are interested in this work to participate on the releva= nt > IETF mailing lists. > Attachments: > > LS on intention to Consent Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T > G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) > > https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg= -15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to-consent-amendment-2-to-recommen= dation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-1.pdf > > Draft Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014) (for > Consent, 30 September 2016) > > https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg= -15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to-consent-amendment-2-to-recommen= dation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-2.pdf > > --001a1138e35a62843105334a4efb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:= 46 PM, Liaison Statement Management Tool <lsmt@ietf.org> wrote:<= br>
Title: SG15-LS352: LS on intention to Con= sent Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014)
Submission Date: 2016-05-20
URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/lia= ison/1477/
Please reply by 2016-09-19
From: "Tom Huber" <to= m.huber@coriant.com>
To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>,George= Swallow <swallow.ietf@gmail.c= om>,Ross Callon <rcallon@j= uniper.net>,Andrew Malis <ag= malis@gmail.com>,Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Cc: Alvaro Retana <aretana@cisco.co= m>,Deborah Brungard <db3546@att= .com>,Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List <mpls@ietf.org>,Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>,Scott Mansf= ield <Scott.Mansfield@Ericsson.com>,George Swallow <swallow.ietf@gmail.com>,Pseudowire And L= DP-enabled Services Discussion List <pa= ls@ietf.org>,John Drake <jd= rake@juniper.net>,Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>,Andrew Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>,Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper.net>,Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>,itu= -t-liaison@iab.org,
Response Contacts: tom.huber@coria= nt.com, lihan@chinamobile.com<= /a>
Technical Contacts:
Purpose: For action

Body: ITU-T Q9/15 wishes to inform the IETF MPLS WG of our intent to initia= te the approval process for Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.13= 82 (2014) at the September 2016 meeting of Study Group 15. This amendment a= dds material on linear protection switching for pseudowires based on RFC 77= 71. The current draft of the amendment is attached. We would appreciate any= comments you may have on this document in advance of our next meeting, whi= ch will be held in Geneva, 19-30 September 2016.

We also thank the MPLS WG and PALS WG for the updates you provided concerni= ng your work on MPLS-TP shared protection rings, resilient MPLS rings, and = dual homed pseudowire protection, and have encouraged those SG15 participan= ts who are interested in this work to participate on the relevant IETF mail= ing lists.
Attachments:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 LS on intention to Consent Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-= T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIA= ISON/liaison-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg-15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to= -consent-amendment-2-to-recommendation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-1.p= df

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Draft Amendment 2 to Recommendation ITU-T G.8131/Y.1382 (2014= ) (for Consent, 30 September 2016)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIA= ISON/liaison-2016-05-20-itu-t-sg-15-mpls-pals-sg15-ls352-ls-on-intention-to= -consent-amendment-2-to-recommendation-itu-t-g8131y1382-2014-attachment-2.p= df


--001a1138e35a62843105334a4efb-- From nobody Sat May 21 09:53:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F72E12D1DA; Sat, 21 May 2016 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OQv2VpqV9L7p; Sat, 21 May 2016 09:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x232.google.com (mail-vk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECC8E12D1D8; Sat, 21 May 2016 09:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x232.google.com with SMTP id y2so107726826vka.3; Sat, 21 May 2016 09:53:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=ccAez21DrJ/GYTYquElQ/Yo6ORaAv2NI2p/WbfokNX0=; b=WPg0m/c7j7Bei3y64lGz+mCG9Z1EusM3r6c32jombNPx6vWMOXFHj2TfXAMzX9a89s OH0nG4CcFgvOe4agRedut0jdfUs+q0jQRKOBjT/IRBoB5yCh5z/wIvSG324j8e9KTniU Zh0zNWFIM7fZFNXYywqN4HYia9RlyV9JnuasU9h2qp3bt6ApZNF3XeGGWAdTo3NKccXT fOHC+Bf4vtD/C5HB0IANgWnGwBxuKHY5E/lazSJdkNf3JuzHIDqmqPxlMWIk9XNLKsmY 7qjRKC9fFwqFRJnLuLHlAw06F7AORtW07Nu88K1mchd1yPBHSwSy2mG7KITVVZgUizlM Vh/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=ccAez21DrJ/GYTYquElQ/Yo6ORaAv2NI2p/WbfokNX0=; b=DAvhWQzW9qx0AEEZ71LtzVCxoS3tmSXtLEfnN+1yFDXawGxNVIHozV6ST7GMoFSeHY w8ZXEO5w9wb164H5WcrVTcPXZNXq6Wvnc/fGn9OlDSA8pslTrq3IfXVA7OrE+dd/2hgV l25Az/orxmdBCYVnlyA+RH7Z0K5MaXYb1A4YDTPtFZ+cmJof4qG/IMuLRYK45v8gKXGa G8PlidQAphgMy/yz/QsViz5JsLuOMdATmpt6MpKDbhA20DzPzsgiQldmEFK2Y8yqafHc AIhS7xxsDbWgzjmuvc8ENiCuSLQyMNKcTUSEAY/8HicOxpnvSxU4oICpjZQa8FGYe6TW 52IQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FUw74/alm+XwcLGoPjeQoY7hMPBgMgUPk3O/xV29MDMvLR46Y2bfQPThGkVZddaMmOediGddy65pfXIpQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.99.133 with SMTP id x127mr4214840vkb.146.1463849611959; Sat, 21 May 2016 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.67.141 with HTTP; Sat, 21 May 2016 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <052901d1b208$fe2c8cb0$fa85a610$@gmail.com> References: <08323184-dfb3-d94f-a210-5c189a6f450a@pi.nu> <052901d1b208$fe2c8cb0$fa85a610$@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 12:53:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram To: Xufeng Liu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c07ccfc20233c05335d0c25 Archived-At: Cc: draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org, IETF MPLS List , draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org, mpls-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on mpls-static and mpls-base X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 16:53:35 -0000 --94eb2c07ccfc20233c05335d0c25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I am not aware of any IPR that applies to: draft-saad-mpls-base-yang draft-saad-mpls-static-yang Regards, -Pavan On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Xufeng Liu wrote: > I am not aware of any IPR that applies to > > draft-saad-mpls-base-yang and draft-saad-mpls-static- yang. > > Thanks, > > - Xufeng > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 6:01 AM > > To: mpls@ietf.org; draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org; > draft-saad-mpls-base- > > yang@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org > > Subject: IPR poll on mpls-static and mpls-base > > > > Working Group, > > > > The authors of draft-saad-mpls-base-yang and draft-saad-mpls-static- > yang has > > told us that the documents is ready to be considered for working > adoption. > > > > The documents have been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll in > > parallel to the the adoption poll. > > > > This mail starts the IPR poll. > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp? > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs > > 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > There is no IPR disclosure filed directly against any of the documents. > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this > > email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > *The > > response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document > will not > > advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each > author > > and contributor. > > > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that > > has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > > > > /Loa > > mpls wg co-chair > > -- > > > > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --94eb2c07ccfc20233c05335d0c25 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not aware of any IPR that applies to:
draft-saad-mpls-base-yang
draft-saad-mpls-static-yang=

Regards,
-Pavan

On Thu, May= 19, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
I am not aware of any IPR= that applies to

draft-saad-mpls-base-yang and draft-saad-mpls-static- yang.

Thanks,

- Xufeng

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu= ]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 6:01 AM
> To: mpls@ietf.org; draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.= org; draft-saad-mpls-base-
> yang@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: IPR poll on mpls-static and mpls-base
>
> Working Group,
>
> The authors of draft-saad-mpls-base-yang and draft-saad-mpls-static- y= ang has
> told us that the documents is ready to be considered for working adopt= ion.
>
> The documents have been through MPLS-RT review. We will do an IPR poll= in
> parallel to the the adoption poll.
>
> This mail starts the IPR poll.
>
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tld= p?
>
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (= see RFCs
> 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> There is no IPR disclosure filed directly against any of the documents= .
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond t= o this
> email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. = *The
> response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing list.* The document w= ill not
> advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each= author
> and contributor.
>
> If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author o= r
> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of a= ny IPR that
> has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
>
> /Loa
> mpls wg co-chair
> --
>
>
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Regards, -Pavan (co-author) On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Xufeng Liu wrote: > Support both (as co-author). > > Thanks, > > - Xufeng > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 6:01 AM > > To: mpls@ietf.org > > Cc: draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org; > draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org; > > mpls-chairs@ietf.org > > Subject: poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document > (mpls-static > > and mpls-base) > > > > > > Working Group, > > > > This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-saad-mpls-static- > > yang-03 and draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 as MPLS working group documents. > > > > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working group > > mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical motivation for > your > > support/not support, especially if you think that the document should > not be > > adopted as a working group document. > > > > There are no IPR disclosures against either document. An IPR poll has > been > > started in parallel to this adoption poll > > > > The working group adoption poll ends June 2, 2016, given that the IPR > poll has > > concluded. > > > > /Loa > > > > MPLS wg co-chair. > > -- > > > > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --001a1143f846e47a1105335d1100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support both drafts.

Regards,
-Pavan (co-author)

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Xufeng Liu <xufe= ng.liu.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Support both (as co-author).

Thanks,

- Xufeng

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu= ]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 6:01 AM
> To: mpls@ietf.org
> Cc: draft-saad-m= pls-base-yang@ietf.org; draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org;
> mpls-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document (mpls-= static
> and mpls-base)
>
>
> Working Group,
>
> This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-saad-mpls-static- > yang-03 and draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 as MPLS working group documen= ts.
>
> Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working gr= oup
> mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Ple= ase give a technical motivation for your
> support/not support, especially if you think that the document should = not be
> adopted as a working group document.
>
> There are no IPR disclosures against either document. An IPR poll has = been
> started in parallel to this adoption poll
>
> The working group adoption poll ends June 2, 2016, given that the IPR = poll has
> concluded.
>
> /Loa
>
> MPLS wg co-chair.
> --
>
>
> Loa Andersson=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
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I reviewed this work for the MPLS RT. I support adoption of these two documents, as they provide useful work = and a solid initial basis for it. Thanks, =E2=80=94 Carlos. > On May 18, 2016, at 6:01 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: >=20 >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-saad-mpls-static- > yang-03 and draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 as MPLS working group > documents. >=20 > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working > group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical > motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that > the document should not be adopted as a working group document. >=20 > There are no IPR disclosures against either document. 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Questions by email or voice are welcome. Volunteering for the nomcom is a great way to contribute to the IETF! You can find a detailed timeline on the nomcom web site at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2016/ I will be publishing a more detailed target timetable, as well as details of the randomness seeds to be used for the RFC 3797 selection process, within the next few weeks. Thank you! Lucy Lynch llynch@civil-tongue.net nomcom-chair-2016@ietf.org -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Tue May 24 00:40:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046D812D531; Tue, 24 May 2016 00:40:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A7mm6p3_bUDu; Tue, 24 May 2016 00:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23E5C12D14F; Tue, 24 May 2016 00:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [210.213.187.0]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 54A0618013E4; Tue, 24 May 2016 09:40:16 +0200 (CEST) To: "mpls@ietf.org" References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <8793ce82-b3fb-6507-2af5-6ef24226f0c1@pi.nu> Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 15:40:08 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] Closed - Re: working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 07:40:21 -0000 Working Group, Authors, This wglc is closed. I let it stay open for a while since I thought the discussion on RLD had not really converge. It now seem to have stopped. There are there groups of comments: - comments on the treatment of the RLD and the protocol to negotiate it - comments that relates to whether a correct treatment of RLDs have an impact on whether the draft can become Informational or not - other comments Can the authors please address the comments, and work with the reviewers (on the mailing list) to converge on a joint text. /Loa mpls wg co-chair On 2016-04-23 15:53, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > This is to initiate a two week working group last call on > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label. > > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). > > There are no IPR disclosures against this document. > > All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on > the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other > IPRs that relates to this draft. > > This working group last call ends May 12, 2016. > > > /Loa > for the MPLS wg chairs From nobody Tue May 24 06:34:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE59312B011; Tue, 24 May 2016 06:34:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f4p1GZ9cqIiK; Tue, 24 May 2016 06:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x233.google.com (mail-oi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC57112DCE9; Tue, 24 May 2016 06:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x233.google.com with SMTP id k23so25959424oih.0; Tue, 24 May 2016 06:29:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GC6yxheJYypl1AAE6FFb42JQuAUZHE/nkRelkebOeww=; b=DUH30CEj3P3Z39eBrhKzm8tg7BD0pNMCLeHXFyG42Ec71ENYq/vptqnKPKsy6AVlGM ECAs73Hg9iECL24Ozoa+6JW77b69tFDRY2GPjmua+fK3JNqKNBPRaSs9hWGVqFfMwp3j 0tzN8ZmP5b/5frNxfEd/AbZUBLFs1NKcYy4D8LLcUjeGWdW7F0hJ7YhNpdbTl+aGeyvR 7kCG0LWT99XwyFP/ecVLM8Z+KgOXfUQKgQuNixXt4hXkW8kNesUG/PxRdvuZ9WFSTDpN G8vtlO+dLGkgrG5hw6Ly9yTaXM0GU+lrwhRncp7qyPD+73kBDfUCjU3POd7hhXoI65z/ kZhQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GC6yxheJYypl1AAE6FFb42JQuAUZHE/nkRelkebOeww=; b=gKP95GRFrGoKBbjK37aXP5c5MI4uIRxEwtcAwru56Bze2FhfbfW399heF7ga9EyHst idhMgMN3ONof5wvssGRTWLlVayRj5oEdOvACoUdZCWprdAquX4d3XqGP4EZmvcH9DKGF l6IwLQbQvZVYGKtyOlfvbPIoLWnHO9XQ3G1bcSeOf2FvbYfZ/+omkCHmld6rdKNwnAxc xHexEFFGrY6qyYpFTrInWa+XIUwtiLuqQ9NwwNTeQbuBwFC4bz9PfAjTI0wVDafSmH6/ ri9bCf/mTfahL7gt89Uce8amwJgdbLC1GqfpBL2jaeNTJTY07VCETigLLaG++gj9r+bT eERA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWg1FQhR/eba8OvUDHnt+uZ7dC/ngffwT/TneI7jIou2e8st20zl2SmTEZlXJp6ZWBsa1+kdNT3pNSfUQ== X-Received: by 10.202.108.19 with SMTP id h19mr12924378oic.69.1464096560238; Tue, 24 May 2016 06:29:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.223.213 with HTTP; Tue, 24 May 2016 06:28:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8793ce82-b3fb-6507-2af5-6ef24226f0c1@pi.nu> References: <571B29F8.1060301@pi.nu> <8793ce82-b3fb-6507-2af5-6ef24226f0c1@pi.nu> From: Sri Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 06:28:50 -0700 Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142e14a63d4db0533968b1a Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@tools.ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] Closed - Re: working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 13:34:07 -0000 --001a1142e14a63d4db0533968b1a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Loa, We are already in the process of updating the draft and working with the reviewers. We will post a new version in a few weeks. Thanks Sri On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:40 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, Authors, > > This wglc is closed. > > I let it stay open for a while since I thought the discussion on RLD > had not really converge. It now seem to have stopped. > > There are there groups of comments: > > - comments on the treatment of the RLD and the protocol to > negotiate it > - comments that relates to whether a correct treatment of RLDs > have an impact on whether the draft can become Informational or not > - other comments > > Can the authors please address the comments, and work with the reviewers > (on the mailing list) to converge on a joint text. > > /Loa > > mpls wg co-chair > > On 2016-04-23 15:53, Loa Andersson wrote: > >> Working Group, >> >> This is to initiate a two week working group last call on >> draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label. >> >> Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). >> >> There are no IPR disclosures against this document. >> >> All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on >> the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other >> IPRs that relates to this draft. >> >> This working group last call ends May 12, 2016. >> >> >> /Loa >> for the MPLS wg chairs >> > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --001a1142e14a63d4db0533968b1a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Loa,

We are already in the process o= f updating the draft and working with the reviewers. We will post a new ver= sion in a few weeks.

Thanks
Sri

On Tue, May 24= , 2016 at 12:40 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group, Authors,

This wglc is closed.

I let it stay open for a while since I thought the discussion on RLD
had not really converge. It now seem to have stopped.

There are there groups of comments:

- comments on the treatment of the RLD and the protocol to
=C2=A0 negotiate it
- comments that relates to whether a correct treatment of RLDs
=C2=A0 have an impact on whether the draft can become Informational or not<= br> - other comments

Can the authors please address the comments, and work with the reviewers (on the mailing list) to converge on a joint text.

/Loa

mpls wg co-chair

On 2016-04-23 15:53, Loa Andersson wrote:
Working Group,

This is to initiate a two week working group last call on
draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label.

Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

There are no IPR disclosures against this document.

All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on
the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other
IPRs that relates to this draft.

This working group last call ends May 12, 2016.


/Loa
for the MPLS wg chairs

_______________________________________________
mpls mailing list
mpls@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls

--001a1142e14a63d4db0533968b1a-- From nobody Wed May 25 21:00:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD0812D161; Wed, 25 May 2016 21:00:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.647 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.647 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BNGuDXOsLZzK; Wed, 25 May 2016 21:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6915712D15C; Wed, 25 May 2016 21:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CPP55125; Thu, 26 May 2016 04:00:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA417-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.34) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.168) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Thu, 26 May 2016 05:00:23 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA510-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.42]) by SZXEMA417-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.34]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Thu, 26 May 2016 12:00:17 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document (mpls-static and mpls-base) Thread-Index: AQHRsOxQtI//Ic73HkqqSwFJ2qoHAZ/Ko+9g Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 04:00:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: <729f6a0b-6222-7100-3b79-2291870d4421@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <729f6a0b-6222-7100-3b79-2291870d4421@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.102.135] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090205.574674D8.01F3, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.3.42, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 5c69953500f31a0fee897c9d6ead0daf Archived-At: Cc: "draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org" , "draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document (mpls-static and mpls-base) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 04:00:30 -0000 I have read the document and support the adoption of it. Best regards, Mach=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 6:01 PM > To: mpls@ietf.org > Cc: draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org; draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.= org; > mpls-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document > (mpls-static and mpls-base) >=20 >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-saad-mpls-static- > yang-03 and draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 as MPLS working group documents. >=20 > Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working group > mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical motivation for your > support/not support, especially if you think that the document should not= be > adopted as a working group document. >=20 > There are no IPR disclosures against either document. An IPR poll has bee= n > started in parallel to this adoption poll >=20 > The working group adoption poll ends June 2, 2016, given that the IPR pol= l has > concluded. >=20 > /Loa >=20 > MPLS wg co-chair. > -- >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From nobody Thu May 26 07:09:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC93312D171; Thu, 26 May 2016 07:09:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v074y5Dh8rAI; Thu, 26 May 2016 07:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x232.google.com (mail-io0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65EF012B018; Thu, 26 May 2016 07:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x232.google.com with SMTP id p64so12714520ioi.2; Thu, 26 May 2016 07:09:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=W4H7oPllHvce4rkwpmqeSPReWYbmrl2vrmVCeVNqlj8=; b=gDg6/jdI9x+v8e3saIxZU7GQIzpBgnpzkblK6w4zOPrFPXvk/7ShAx16McK5rFziZg cPe1Q3xHx8tasJHUVdn1ITO0Bjw+YOnwxzafL/NVVwUTngHNdnQu4ciLSeJnEiZf4sJ9 u0gH+mjAofufZzJEDJgaM/oBjhVhT49ZtOm5vQUd8Gze9pmpXt8QYMxk4xoX6xp4hpAU RoWy98WuxnAymEGWqfHH1C28U9vr14nCNaWnrzLQ9/MCWXoAwNSe28IrVlcBan0/GvEZ 8+ZNOYErS2kdMPHC3w2ni8Lhp0NGd5taRC/vvysnr6BGA4uGiQVtZi+RikcW3hP3JV1P oBfg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=W4H7oPllHvce4rkwpmqeSPReWYbmrl2vrmVCeVNqlj8=; b=bH9SnXFbj1nTy5riincAfrt7vFAnzCMf46g7b6pDUVBon17oACHR7AQww9XD9qgR04 XCzMd+/Du9wIvDuWN3ISVPHu/kv8zUut78alhd9wU6GZB7KPe8eccf25WOwSalNosSLN 1wlLK3ufBrZ6fesF1RBQW6LrwfpDmjXT+avLVhY0PzqlbyRHGM3O02Iu7DHehAk54vSx R7/IP55igYe08Rh0Jznk/pn0wejhd0q1ytd+eARuJL6Zu8m6K1SIIo72AXMOaq0iSPIf Ki+AowCholMnFOi3hFpeFZ2n0ugclt4v4whZPJTl8kTN69tg0UGb8IJ/OM2eYyKR0l6R 9+1w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIZiP2WSVoYMQ0g9gVK9/VCnA1njIiKwKWd5y5yOlbGhcUTxsBKRnBHABbnfWHIltKtkeGsP8ExfE+t5g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.38.79 with SMTP id m76mr10020301iom.7.1464271782631; Thu, 26 May 2016 07:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.46.219 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2016 07:09:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5B4A6CBE3924BB41A3BEE462A8E0B75A291DCD53@SMTP2.etri.info> References: <00a901d18e84$2c19a340$844ce9c0$@mindspring.com> <5B4A6CBE3924BB41A3BEE462A8E0B75A291DCD53@SMTP2.etri.info> Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 10:09:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: Joan Cucchiara To: =?UTF-8?B?66WY7KCV64+Z?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113da8287560e90533bf5725 Archived-At: Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-tp-linear-protection-mib@ietf.org" , Joan Cucchiara , "mib-doctors@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] =?utf-8?b?7ZqM7IugOiBSZXZpZXcgb2YgZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi1tcGxzLXRw?= =?utf-8?q?-linear-protection-mib-07?= X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 14:09:47 -0000 --001a113da8287560e90533bf5725 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeong-dong, Thank you for the responses to my comments. I will take a look at the updated draft soon. -Joan On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 9:24 AM, =EB=A5=98=EC=A0=95=EB=8F=99 wrote: > Dear Joan, > > We resolved all of your comments and uploaded a revsion today. > > Please, see inlines starting with [Authors] in your previous email below. > > The revised draft can be found in: > > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-linear-protection= -mib-08.txt > > We appreciate your help on this draft. > > Best regards, > > Jeong-dong > > ________________________________________ > =EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C: Joan Cucchiara [jcucchiara@mindspr= ing.com] > =EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EB=82=A0=EC=A7=9C: 2016=EB=85=84 4=EC=9B=94 5=EC=9D= =BC =ED=99=94=EC=9A=94=EC=9D=BC =EC=98=A4=EC=A0=84 12:10 > =EB=B0=9B=EB=8A=94 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C: Loa Andersson; mpls@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-mpls-tp-linear-protection-mib@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org > =EC=B0=B8=EC=A1=B0: mib-doctors@ietf.org > =EC=A0=9C=EB=AA=A9: Review of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-linear-protection-mib-07 > > Comments for draft-ietf-mpls-tp-linear-protection-mib-07.txt > > Authors, > > Lots of work went into this draft. The early MIB Doctor review > comments have been incorporated, so thank you for that. These > comments are arranged in 3 sections: MIB compiler outputs, > General Comments which are observations that apply to several > places in the MIB and should be checked for throughout the MIB. > > The last section is for specific comments. > > Please take these comments as part of the last call. > > Thanks, > -Joan > > Compiles cleanly with smilint > > smicng flagged some errors > Output from smicng > E: f(MPLS-LSP-MIB.my), (370,4) Row "mplsLpsConfigEntry" may not > have columns with MAX-ACCESS of read-write if any column is read-create > E: f(MPLS-LSP-MIB.my), (378,15) Index item > "mplsLpsConfigDomainIndex" must be defined with syntax that > includes a range > E: f(MPLS-LSP-MIB.my), (907,4) Item "mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex" > has invalid value for MAX-ACCESS > > > When looking at the MIB, I see that there do appear to be some potential > errors: > mplsLpsConfigCommand OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX MplsLpsCommand > MAX-ACCESS read-write <---- should be read-create > > because row created using RowStatus > STATUS current > > [Authors] OK, Fixed. > > In general, indices should specify a range so this is why it was > flagged by compiler. Looking at this specific index would like to > understand how the value is supposed to be assigned? If this is > assigned by an operator, perhaps there should be a mechanism for > the operator to choose a value (for example, by using a > IndexIntegerNextFree object)? Please clarify. > > mplsLpsConfigDomainIndex OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Unsigned32 > > [Authors] Fixed by using the IndexIntegerNextFree object. > > mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex <--- name implies that this is an index > but it is NOT included in the INDEX clause for this table. > > Please clarify what is intended. > > [Authors] This is not the INDEX for this table. It is used to identify th= e > corresponding mplsLpsConfigDomainIndex value in the other table, > =E2=80=9CmplsLpsConfigTable=E2=80=9D. The name of this object is changed = to > mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndexValue to avoid confusion. > > > General Comments: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > * There are mentions of there being two MIB Modules in this > document, but there is only one MIB Module. I have tried to note > these statements under specific comments, but please check for > such statements. If the intention is to create two MIB Modules, > that is fine, but currently, there is only one. > > [Authors] Yes, there is only one defined in this document. Fixed > > * The relationships of these Tables is not clear. > MplsLpsConfigTable has an INDEX but how the operator > is supposed to choose a value for this index is > not specified. The MplsLpsMeConfigTable indexing is confusing. > Although the document states that this table is an extension > of the MPLSOamIdMeTable, the name of the object, > mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex is confusing because it suggests > this is an INDEX (as does the status of not-accessible). Please clarify= . > > [Authors] Fixed by using the IndexIntegerNextFree object and changing the > name of mplsLpsConfigDomainIndex to mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndexValue > > Since the indexing for these Tables is confusing to me, then > please realize that this MIB may have additional comments > during the next review once the indexing is clarified. > > * In general more REFERENCE Clauses could/should be added throughout MIB. > > Objects such as mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex, mplsLpsMeStatusCurrent, > mplsLpsConfigMode, mplsLpsConfigProtectionType, etc. This was also > mentioned during the early MIB Dr. review. > > [Authors] OK. Added more REFERENCE Clauses. > > * Some of the objects use Integer32 but they probably should > use Unsigned32. In other words, if the objects can only take on values = 0 > and above, then > they should use Unsigned32. > > e.g. mplsLpsConfigSdBadSeconds, mplsLpsConfigSdGoodSeconds, > mplsLpsConfigWaitToRestore, mplsLpsConfigHoldOff, etc. Please > check all the Integer32 objects to see if they should be Unsigned32. > > [Authors] OK, Fixed. > > *) Date is same a previous version. This should be updated for > every revision of the document. Please update. > LAST-UPDATED and REVISION clauses > "201512060000Z" -- December 06, 2015 > > [Authors] OK, Fixed. > > *) Only FullCompliance is done for this MIB Module. As you > probably are aware, not all operators want to configure > using SNMP, if there is not a ReadOnly Compliance available, then > they will not be compliant with the MIB. I think a ReadOnly Compliance > for a MIB is useful and would like to understand why this MIB doesn't hav= e > one. > Could the authors please clarify? > > [Authors] OK, ReadOnly Compliance is added. > > > Specific Comments: > > Section 1. Introductions > > Mentions multiple MIB Modules but there is only one. Please > clarify the text: "However, since the MIB modules ..." <-- plural > > [Authors] Yes, there is only one. Fixed. > > > Section 4. > > As mentioned before there is only 1 MIB module. Please update. > > "This document specifies a MIB module > for the Label Edge Router (LER) > that supports MPLS TP Linear protection and a MIB > module that defines textual conventions....." > > [Authors] OK. Fixed. > > Section 5.1 Textual Conventions > > * I don't see a separate MIB Module for TCs. Please clarify. > > [Authors] Fixed. > > Section 5.4 The Table Structure > > * The mplsLpsConfigTable > > "The protection domain is identified by mplsLpsConfigGroupName." > This statement does not seem to be entirely accurate given the MIB > design for 2 reasons, 1. there doesn't seem to be an object > mplsLpsConfigGroupName > and 2. the INDEX is mplsLpsConfigDomainIndex Unsigned32 (which also appea= rs > in the > mplsLpsMeConfigEntry with a status of not-accessible > (and I think you intend for it to be an object)? > > [Authors] =E2=80=9CmplsLpsConfigGroupName=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9Cmpl= sLpsConfigDomainName=E2=80=9D. > It=E2=80=99s been corrected. > > As a reviewer, this is confusing because the relationship with > these tables is unclear and so it is very difficult to > review the MIB Module. Please clarify the relationship with > these tables and to the mplsOamIdMeTable in the > MPLS-OAM-ID-STD-MIB. > > [Authors] A protection domain consists of two paths, working and > protection paths, and requires two OAM MEs; one OAM ME for the working pa= th > and the other ME for the protection path. In other words, a row of > =E2=80=9CmplsLpsConfigTable=E2=80=9D is for one protection domain, which = requires two rows > in =E2=80=9CmplsOamIdMeTable=E2=80=9D: one for the working path and the o= ther for the > protection path. Also note that an entry of =E2=80=9CmplsOamIdMeTable=E2= =80=9D may not > belong to any protection domain. The row of =E2=80=9CmplsLpsMeConfigTable= =E2=80=9D defined > in this document has a sparse relationship with that of the > =E2=80=9CmplsOAMIdMeTable=E2=80=9D defined in RFC 7697. > > > "The other attributes in this table", do you mean objects? > > [Authors] Yes. Fixed. > > > * The mplsLpsStatusTable > > There is no mention that the mplsLpsStatusTable's Entries have an > AUGMENTS relationship with the mplsLpsConfigTable Entries. Please add. > > [Authors] Added. > > > 6.1 Relationship to the MPLS OAM maintenance identifier MIB Module > > The title needs to be capitalized correctly, Relationship to the > MPLS OAM Maintenance Identifier MIB Module > > Please update this section to use RFC7697 (and in Informative References > also) > instead of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib. > > [Authors] Ok. Fixed. > > > As mentioned above, the mplsLpsMeConfigTable has an object > mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex which is (not-accessible). > Is this supposed to be an INDEX, or is this an object? I am > confused by what is intended. > > [Authors] The name of this object is changed to > mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndexValue to avoid confusion. > > > 7. Example of Protection switching configuration for > > MPLS-TP TE tunnel (Please change title: Example of Protection Switching > Configuration) > > * I am unclear how mplsLspConfigEntry is actually configured for > use in this example. Is an operator supposed to randomly choose an INDE= X > value? > > Would an IndexNext object be useful to use in conjunction with this INDEX= ? > > [Authors] Yes, it has been addressed with IndexIntegerNextFree. > > > > MIB Module > ------------ > > (general comment: the DESCRIPTION clauses could be more readable > if consistency was used. Sometimes the > value is listed on the side and the description follows on the > same line and sometimes the value is listed > on a single line and the description follows a couple of lines > after. Please be consistent.) > > [Authors] Ok. Fixed. > > > * mplsLpsConfigDomainName -- Is there a DEFAULT value for this > object? The string size is 1..32 with no > option of 0 length string, so wanted to check about a default > value? Under what circumstances can this value > be modified? Please give a REFERENCE. > > [Authors] No DEFAULT value is needed. The size has been changed to 0..32. > > > * mplsLpsConfigMode - Needs REFERENCE (and please try to be > specific). Under what circumstances can this be modified? > > [Authors] REFERENCE is given. > > > * mplsLpsConfigWaitToRestore > Why is this not in minutes? If someone configures this to be 30 > seconds is that valid? Doesn't seem so based on the DESCRIPTION. Please > clarify. > > [Authors] Fixed with =E2=80=9Cminutes=E2=80=9D. The range is also correct= ed. > > > * mplsLpsConfigHoldOff What is meant by "Can be configured in > steps of 100?" Is this 100 milliseconds? If so then maybe a better uni= t > choice would be > centiseconds. Please clarify. > > [Authors] It can be configured like: 0, 100 ms, 200 ms, =E2=80=A6 , 10 se= conds. > So, the units and the description are changed using =E2=80=9Cdeciseconds= =E2=80=9D. > > *mplsLpsConfigCommand is read-write. Is this supposed to be > read-create? > > [Authors] Yes. Fixed > > > *mplsLpsConfigRowStatus -- I think there is some conflicting > advice given to the operator. Several objects say that it is fine to > change > the > value of the object when RowStatus is active, but this is not specified > consistently. Limiting the > values of RowStatus in the Conformance Section > may be the way to go. Please clarify. > > [Authors] There are some objects that can be changed during protocol > operation, while other objects cannot be changed but their values need to > be given before the operation. In the revision, we specified them > consistently. > > > *mplsLpsMeConfigState is a read-create. This is probably okay, but > again, that depends on if mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex > is an INDEX for this table given that it has a status of not-accessible, > etc. > > [Authors] =E2=80=9CmplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex=E2=80=9D was not intended t= o be INDEX, but > to contain the value of the value of protection domain index. We changed = it > to mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndexValue to avoid confusion > > > *mplsLpsMeStatusSwitchoverSeconds > Needs a units clause for Seconds > > [Authors] Fixed. > > > Notifications > > There are a couple Notifications that are send when values of certain > counters increment. Maybe this is valid, but it seems suspect. > If a management stations needs information on counters, > why can't it just retrieve them at that point? I don't see any > counter discontinuity objects, so was wondering about that too. > > [Authors] Whenever there is an increment in any of the enabled counters, > network operators need to be alarmed. > > > * mplsLpsEventFopTimOut Notification > > Please rename this to mplsLpsEventFopTimeout > > [Authors] OK. Fixed. > > > * Compliance/Conformance Section of the MIB Module > > Currently, there is only FullCompliance. Why is there no > ReadOnlyCompliance? > > [Authors] OK. It=E2=80=99s been added. > > > --- end of comments --- > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --001a113da8287560e90533bf5725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeong-dong,

Thank you for the respo= nses to my comments.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I will take a look at the updated draft so= on.

-Joan

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 9:24 AM, =EB=A5=98=EC=A0=95=EB=8F= =99 <ryoo@etri.re.kr> wrote:
Dear Joan,

We resolved all of your comments and uploaded a revsion today.

Please, see inlines starting with [Authors] in your previous email below.
The revised draft can be found in:
https://www.ietf= .org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-linear-protection-mib-08.txt
We appreciate your help on this draft.

Best regards,

Jeong-dong

________________________________________
=EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C: Joan Cucchiara [jcucchiara@mindspring.com]
=EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EB=82=A0=EC=A7=9C: 2016=EB=85=84 4=EC=9B=94 5=EC=9D=BC = =ED=99=94=EC=9A=94=EC=9D=BC =EC=98=A4=EC=A0=84 12:10
=EB=B0=9B=EB=8A=94 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C: Loa Andersson; mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-tp-linear-protection-mib@ietf.org<= /a>; mpls-chairs@ietf.org
=EC=B0=B8=EC=A1=B0: mib-doctors@iet= f.org
=EC=A0=9C=EB=AA=A9: Review of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-linear-protection-mib-07

Comments for draft-ietf-mpls-tp-linear-protection-mib-07.txt

Authors,

Lots of work went into this draft.=C2=A0 The early MIB Doctor review
comments have been incorporated, so thank you for that.=C2=A0 =C2=A0These comments are arranged in 3 sections:=C2=A0 MIB compiler outputs,
General Comments which are observations that apply to several
places in the MIB and should be checked for throughout the MIB.

The last section is for specific comments.

Please take these comments as part of the last call.

Thanks,
-Joan

Compiles cleanly with smilint

smicng flagged some errors
Output from smicng
E: f(MPLS-LSP-MIB.my), (370,4) Row "mplsLpsConfigEntry" may not have columns with MAX-ACCESS of read-write if any column is read-create
E: f(MPLS-LSP-MIB.my), (378,15) Index item
"mplsLpsConfigDomainIndex" must be defined with syntax that
includes a range
E: f(MPLS-LSP-MIB.my), (907,4) Item "mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex"<= br> has invalid value for MAX-ACCESS


When looking at the MIB, I see that there do appear to be some potential errors:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0mplsLpsConfigCommand OBJECT-TYPE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SYNTAX=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MplsLpsCommand
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MAX-ACCESS=C2=A0 read-write=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <---- shou= ld be read-create

because row created using RowStatus
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 STATUS=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 current

[Authors] OK, Fixed.

In general, indices should specify a range so this is why it was
flagged by compiler.=C2=A0 Looking at this specific index would like to
understand how the value is supposed to be assigned?=C2=A0 =C2=A0If this is=
assigned by an operator, perhaps there should be a mechanism for
the operator to choose a value (for example, by using a
IndexIntegerNextFree object)?=C2=A0 Please clarify.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0mplsLpsConfigDomainIndex OBJECT-TYPE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SYNTAX=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Unsigned32

[Authors] Fixed by using the IndexIntegerNextFree object.

mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex <--- name implies that this is an index
but it is NOT included in the INDEX clause for this table.

Please clarify what is intended.

[Authors] This is not the INDEX for this table. It is used to identi= fy the corresponding mplsLpsConfigDomainIndex value in the other table, =E2= =80=9CmplsLpsConfigTable=E2=80=9D. The name of this object is changed to mp= lsLpsMeConfigDomainIndexValue to avoid confusion.


General Comments:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

* There are mentions of there being two MIB Modules in this
document, but there is only one MIB Module. I have tried to note
these statements under specific comments, but please check for
such statements.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If the intention is to create two MIB Modules,=
that is fine, but currently, there is only one.

[Authors] Yes, there is only one defined in this document. Fixed

* The relationships of these Tables is not clear.
MplsLpsConfigTable has an INDEX but how the operator
is supposed to choose a value for this index is
not specified.=C2=A0 The MplsLpsMeConfigTable indexing is confusing.
Although the document states that this table is an extension
of the MPLSOamIdMeTable, the name of the object,
mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex is confusing because it suggests
this is an INDEX (as does the status of not-accessible).=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please= clarify.

[Authors] Fixed by using the IndexIntegerNextFree object and changin= g the name of mplsLpsConfigDomainIndex to mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndexValue
Since the indexing for these Tables is confusing to me, then
please realize that this MIB may have additional comments
during the next review once the indexing is clarified.

* In general more REFERENCE Clauses could/should be added throughout MIB.
Objects such as mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex, mplsLpsMeStatusCurrent,
mplsLpsConfigMode, mplsLpsConfigProtectionType, etc.=C2=A0 =C2=A0This was a= lso
mentioned during the early MIB Dr. review.

[Authors] OK. Added more REFERENCE Clauses.

* Some of the objects use Integer32 but they probably should
use Unsigned32.=C2=A0 =C2=A0In other words, if the objects can only take on= values 0
and above, then
they should use Unsigned32.

e.g.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mplsLpsConfigSdBadSeconds, mplsLpsConfigSdGoodSecon= ds,
mplsLpsConfigWaitToRestore, mplsLpsConfigHoldOff, etc.=C2=A0 Please
check all the Integer32 objects to see if they should be Unsigned32.

[Authors] OK, Fixed.

*) Date is same a previous version.=C2=A0 This should be updated for
every revision of the document.=C2=A0 Please update.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 LAST-UPDATED=C2=A0 and REVISION clauses
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "201512060000Z"=C2=A0 -- December 06, 2015

[Authors] OK, Fixed.

*) Only FullCompliance is done for this MIB Module.=C2=A0 As you
probably are aware, not all operators want to configure
using SNMP, if there is not a ReadOnly Compliance available, then
they will not be compliant with the MIB.=C2=A0 I think a ReadOnly Complianc= e
for a MIB is useful and would like to understand why this MIB doesn't h= ave
one.
Could the authors please clarify?

[Authors] OK, ReadOnly Compliance is added.


Specific Comments:

Section 1. Introductions

Mentions multiple MIB Modules but there is only one.=C2=A0 Please
clarify the text:=C2=A0 "However, since the MIB modules ..." <= -- plural

[Authors] Yes, there is only one. Fixed.


Section 4.

As mentioned before there is only 1 MIB module.=C2=A0 Please update.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"This document specifies a MIB module
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 for the Label Edge Router (LER)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 that supports MPLS TP Linear protection and a MIB
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 module that defines textual conventions....."

[Authors] OK. Fixed.

Section 5.1 Textual Conventions

* I don't see a separate MIB Module for TCs.=C2=A0 Please clarify.

[Authors] Fixed.

Section 5.4 The Table Structure

=C2=A0* The mplsLpsConfigTable

"The protection domain is identified by mplsLpsConfigGroupName."<= br> This statement does not seem to be entirely accurate given the MIB
design for 2 reasons, 1.=C2=A0 there doesn't seem to be an object
mplsLpsConfigGroupName
and 2. the INDEX is mplsLpsConfigDomainIndex Unsigned32 (which also appears=
in the
mplsLpsMeConfigEntry with a status of not-accessible
(and I think you intend for it to be an object)?

[Authors] =E2=80=9CmplsLpsConfigGroupName=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80= =9CmplsLpsConfigDomainName=E2=80=9D. It=E2=80=99s been corrected.

As a reviewer, this is confusing because the relationship with
these tables is unclear and so it is very difficult to
review the MIB Module.=C2=A0 Please clarify the relationship with
these tables and to the mplsOamIdMeTable in the
MPLS-OAM-ID-STD-MIB.

[Authors] A protection domain consists of two paths, working and pro= tection paths, and requires two OAM MEs; one OAM ME for the working path an= d the other ME for the protection path. In other words, a row of =E2=80=9Cm= plsLpsConfigTable=E2=80=9D is for one protection domain, which requires two= rows in =E2=80=9CmplsOamIdMeTable=E2=80=9D: one for the working path and t= he other for the protection path. Also note that an entry of =E2=80=9CmplsO= amIdMeTable=E2=80=9D may not belong to any protection domain. The row of = =E2=80=9CmplsLpsMeConfigTable=E2=80=9D defined in this document has a spars= e relationship with that of the =E2=80=9CmplsOAMIdMeTable=E2=80=9D defined = in RFC 7697.


"The other attributes in this table", do you mean objects?

[Authors] Yes. Fixed.


* The=C2=A0 mplsLpsStatusTable

There is no mention that the mplsLpsStatusTable's Entries have an
AUGMENTS relationship with the mplsLpsConfigTable Entries.=C2=A0 Please add= .

[Authors] Added.


6.1=C2=A0 Relationship to the MPLS OAM maintenance identifier MIB Module
The title needs to be capitalized correctly, Relationship to the
MPLS OAM Maintenance Identifier MIB Module

Please update this section to use RFC7697 (and in Informative References also)
instead of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib.

[Authors] Ok. Fixed.


As mentioned above, the mplsLpsMeConfigTable has an object
mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex which is (not-accessible).
Is this supposed to be an INDEX, or is this an object?=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am
confused by what is intended.

[Authors] The name of this object is changed to mplsLpsMeConfigDomai= nIndexValue to avoid confusion.


7.=C2=A0 Example of Protection switching configuration for

MPLS-TP TE tunnel (Please change title:=C2=A0 Example of Protection Switchi= ng
Configuration)

* I am unclear how mplsLspConfigEntry is actually configured for
use in this example.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Is an operator supposed to randomly choose= an INDEX
value?

Would an IndexNext object be useful to use in conjunction with this INDEX?<= br>
[Authors] Yes, it has been addressed with IndexIntegerNextFree.



MIB Module
------------

(general comment:=C2=A0 the DESCRIPTION clauses could be more readable
if consistency was used.=C2=A0 Sometimes the
value is listed on the side and the description follows on the
same line and sometimes the value is listed
on a single line and the description follows a couple of lines
after.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please be consistent.)

[Authors] Ok. Fixed.


* mplsLpsConfigDomainName=C2=A0 -- Is there a DEFAULT value for this
object?=C2=A0 =C2=A0The string size is 1..32 with no
option of 0 length string, so wanted to check about a default
value?=C2=A0 Under what circumstances can this value
be modified?=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please give a REFERENCE.

[Authors] No DEFAULT value is needed. The size has been changed to 0= ..32.


* mplsLpsConfigMode - Needs REFERENCE (and please try to be
specific).=C2=A0 Under what circumstances can this be modified?

[Authors] REFERENCE is given.


* mplsLpsConfigWaitToRestore
Why is this not in minutes?=C2=A0 If someone configures this to be 30
seconds is that valid?=C2=A0 Doesn't seem so based on the DESCRIPTION.= =C2=A0 Please
clarify.

[Authors] Fixed with =E2=80=9Cminutes=E2=80=9D. The range is also co= rrected.


* mplsLpsConfigHoldOff What is meant by "Can be configured in
steps of 100?"=C2=A0 =C2=A0Is this 100 milliseconds?=C2=A0 If so then = maybe a better unit
choice would be
centiseconds.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Please clarify.

[Authors] It can be configured like: 0, 100 ms, 200 ms, =E2=80=A6 , = 10 seconds. So, the units and the description are changed using =E2=80=9Cde= ciseconds=E2=80=9D.

*mplsLpsConfigCommand is read-write.=C2=A0 Is this supposed to be
read-create?

[Authors] Yes. Fixed


*mplsLpsConfigRowStatus --=C2=A0 I think there is some conflicting
advice given to the operator.=C2=A0 Several objects say that it is fine to = change
the
value of the object when RowStatus is active, but this is not specified
consistently.=C2=A0 Limiting the
values of RowStatus in the Conformance Section
may be the way to go.=C2=A0 Please clarify.

[Authors] There are some objects that can be changed during protocol= operation, while other objects cannot be changed but their values need to = be given before the operation. In the revision, we specified them consisten= tly.


*mplsLpsMeConfigState is a read-create. This is probably okay, but
again, that depends on if mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex
is an INDEX for this table given that it has a status of not-accessible, etc.

[Authors] =E2=80=9CmplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndex=E2=80=9D was not inten= ded to be INDEX, but to contain the value of the value of protection domain= index. We changed it to mplsLpsMeConfigDomainIndexValue to avoid confusion=


*mplsLpsMeStatusSwitchoverSeconds
Needs a units clause for Seconds

[Authors] Fixed.


Notifications

There are a couple Notifications that are send when values of certain
counters increment.=C2=A0 Maybe this is valid, but it seems suspect.
If a management stations needs information on counters,
why can't it just retrieve them at that point?=C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't = see any
counter discontinuity objects, so was wondering about that too.

[Authors] Whenever there is an increment in any of the enabled count= ers, network operators need to be alarmed.


* mplsLpsEventFopTimOut Notification

Please rename this to mplsLpsEventFopTimeout

[Authors] OK. Fixed.


* Compliance/Conformance Section of the MIB Module

Currently, there is only FullCompliance.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Why is there no
ReadOnlyCompliance?

[Authors] OK. It=E2=80=99s been added.


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Based on Dave Sinicrope's= review (for the Routing Area Directorate) and my review, we identified qui= te a few changes to the document, including the addition of a new section o= n manageability. We will continue to work with you on the document. I also strongly encourage the working group to initiate work on a solution = (I don't see any solution drafts). There is no reason not to be doing a sol= ution in parallel with the problem statement and requirements if the workin= g group is interested in this problem and it will help to polish the requir= ements. I would like to see a solution document being progressed before pub= lishing a requirements RFC. Much thanks to Alessandro for holding the pen on these edits - he will uplo= ad the latest version for you to work on. Good weekends- Deborah --_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C85297405FMISOUT7MSGUSRDE_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I’ve returned this document to the Working Group. Based on Dave = Sinicrope’s review (for the Routing Area Directorate) and my review, = we identified quite a few changes to the document, including the addition o= f a new section on manageability. We will continue to work with you on the document.
 
I also strongly encourage the working group to initiate work on a solu= tion (I don’t see any solution drafts). There is no reason not to be = doing a solution in parallel with the problem statement and requirements if= the working group is interested in this problem and it will help to polish the requirements. I would like to see a = solution document being progressed before publishing a requirements RFC.
 
Much thanks to Alessandro for holding the pen on these edits – h= e will upload the latest version for you to work on.
 
Good weekends-
Deborah
 
 
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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160530163058.29238.42670.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 09:30:58 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: mpls@ietf.org, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] IPR Disclosure Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 16:31:00 -0000 Dear George Swallow, Carlos Pignataro, Andrew G. Malis, Sam Aldrin, Nobo Akiya: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Label Switched Path (LSP) and Pseudowire (PW) Ping/Trace over MPLS Network using Entropy Labels (EL)" (draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2802/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-mpls-entropy-lsp-ping" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Mon May 30 18:12:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488D512D09C; Mon, 30 May 2016 18:12:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=junipernetworks.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q3DR7nQnDfYV; 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boundary="_000_DM2PR05MB573672F77CDF757E19F65CEA5460DM2PR05MB573namprd_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 31 May 2016 01:11:55.5160 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM2PR05MB574 Archived-At: Cc: "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] Document Shepherd for draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 01:12:00 -0000 --_000_DM2PR05MB573672F77CDF757E19F65CEA5460DM2PR05MB573namprd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Working Group; You will recall that prior to the Buenos Aires IETF meeting we did a last c= all on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed. The last call did not succeed due to l= ack of support. However, the only objection expressed was related to IPR an= d associated terms. Subsequent to this in Buenos Aires Deborah Brungard (th= e Area Director for the MPLS WG) presented options for moving forward. Her = slide is in the IETF minutes from Buenos Aires at: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/slides/slides-95-mpls-10.pdf Since two of the three people objecting were from my company, and to avoid = any chance of conflict of interest, I have decided to step down from shephe= rding this particular document. Martin Vigoureux has graciously agreed to t= ake over as document shepherd for draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed. Thanks, Ross --_000_DM2PR05MB573672F77CDF757E19F65CEA5460DM2PR05MB573namprd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Working Group;
 
You will recall that prior to the Buenos Aires IETF meeting we did a l= ast call on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed. The last call did not succeed due= to lack of support. However, the only objection expressed was related to I= PR and associated terms. Subsequent to this in Buenos Aires Deborah Brungard (the Area Director for the MPLS WG= ) presented options for moving forward. Her slide is in the IETF minutes fr= om Buenos Aires at:
 
 
Since two of the three people objecting were from my company, and to a= void any chance of conflict of interest, I have decided to step down from s= hepherding this particular document. Martin Vigoureux has graciously agreed= to take over as document shepherd for draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed.
 
Thanks, Ross
 
 --_000_DM2PR05MB573672F77CDF757E19F65CEA5460DM2PR05MB573namprd_-- From nobody Mon May 30 20:01:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0467312D15C; Mon, 30 May 2016 20:01:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ys_3H1jx0q6E; Mon, 30 May 2016 20:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usplmg20.ericsson.net (usplmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D533E12D167; Mon, 30 May 2016 20:01:33 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79886d000002334-28-574cf5b272a9 Received: from EUSAAHC008.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.96]) by usplmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 15.09.09012.2B5FC475; Tue, 31 May 2016 04:23:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC008.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.96]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Mon, 30 May 2016 23:01:32 -0400 From: Gregory Mirsky To: Ross Callon , "mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Document Shepherd for draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed Thread-Index: AdG62Wr9r+6SfsZVQcWwp+4inEIPmgADuo9Q Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 03:01:32 +0000 Message-ID: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A934A9@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A934A9eusaamb103erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprJIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPgu7mrz7hBs3zeC3WXT7FZnFr6UpW i78rrrA4MHssWfKTyeN601X2AKYoLpuU1JzMstQifbsEroxtjx+zFixzqHj+4gxzA2OjZRcj J4eEgInE8nOPGCFsMYkL99azdTFycQgJHGWUuDVvLROEs5xR4vTcVrAqNgEjiRcbe9hBbBEB N4k5/SeYQGxmAUOJiRP3M4PYwgL2Ep9bp7JC1DhIfL2/mRHCNpLoOTIXzGYRUJXofnuADcTm FfCVuPb/P9gcIYEoiZmvvrGA2JwC0RKfZzWA1TMCXff91BqoXeISt57MZ4K4WkBiyZ7zzBC2 qMTLx/9YIWwliTmvrzFD1OdLHJrcwAqxS1Di5MwnLBMYRWchGTULSdksJGUQcR2JBbs/sUHY 2hLLFr5mhrHPHHjMhCy+gJF9FSNHaXFBTm66kcEmRmCEHZNg093BeH+65yFGAQ5GJR7eB9t9 woVYE8uKK3MPMUpwMCuJ8O77AhTiTUmsrEotyo8vKs1JLT7EKM3BoiTOK/ZIMVxIID2xJDU7 NbUgtQgmy8TBKdXAePBgYpujxS2ZtSXTnu7/ypXZtvLk+rsWgoUplrKmH7hynVKnnNxwXyyo eVu3bM/ffy/OrVL+vI3JlvHoJ3lR0V+H99xQLZ2wIUo4JEAhIcfbOG32gosPwlg5GOLlT5TM Cle8EyDtl8q7ePbkAs6NSQdV9lSpi082OvG74t67I7d3BFXUvt/locRSnJFoqMVcVJwIACYk bLasAgAA Archived-At: Cc: "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] Document Shepherd for draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 03:01:36 -0000 --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A934A9eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ross, thank you for your help and support. Thank you Martin for stepping in and w= e're looking forward to work together and find the best possible solution t= o make the technical solution available. Regards, Greg From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Callon Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 6:12 PM To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Document Shepherd for draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed Working Group; You will recall that prior to the Buenos Aires IETF meeting we did a last c= all on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed. The last call did not succeed due to l= ack of support. However, the only objection expressed was related to IPR an= d associated terms. Subsequent to this in Buenos Aires Deborah Brungard (th= e Area Director for the MPLS WG) presented options for moving forward. Her = slide is in the IETF minutes from Buenos Aires at: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/slides/slides-95-mpls-10.pdf Since two of the three people objecting were from my company, and to avoid = any chance of conflict of interest, I have decided to step down from shephe= rding this particular document. Martin Vigoureux has graciously agreed to t= ake over as document shepherd for draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed. Thanks, Ross --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221A934A9eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ross,

thank you for your help a= nd support. Thank you Martin for stepping in and we’re looking forwar= d to work together and find the best possible solution to make the technical solution available.

 <= /p>

    &= nbsp;           Regards,<= o:p>

    &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;  Greg

 <= /p>

From: mpls [ma= ilto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Callon
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 6:12 PM
To: mpls@ietf.org
Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [mpls] Document Shepherd for draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed

 

Working Group;

 

You will recall that prior to the Bueno= s Aires IETF meeting we did a last call on draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed. Th= e last call did not succeed due to lack of support. However, the only objection expressed was related to IPR and associated terms. Subs= equent to this in Buenos Aires Deborah Brungard (the Area Director for the = MPLS WG) presented options for moving forward. Her slide is in the IETF min= utes from Buenos Aires at:

 

 

Since two of the three people objecting= were from my company, and to avoid any chance of conflict of interest, I h= ave decided to step down from shepherding this particular document. Martin Vigoureux has graciously agreed to take over as document = shepherd for draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed.

 

Thanks, Ross

 

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[66.189.255.235]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s14sm50634425pag.7.2016.05.30.20.29.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 May 2016 20:29:25 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.16.0.160506 Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 20:29:18 -0700 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" Message-ID: <2D2BDAB7-3016-4BDF-BFED-CB53ACD37C5F@gmail.com> Thread-Topic: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document (mpls-static and mpls-base) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "draft-saad-mpls-base-yang@ietf.org" , "draft-saad-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] poll to see if we have consensus to adopt two document (mpls-static and mpls-base) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 03:29:29 -0000 Yes/support >>Working Group, >> >>This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-saad-mpls-static- >>yang-03 and draft-saad-mpls-base-yang-00 as MPLS working group >>documents. >> >>Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working >>group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical >>motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that >>the document should not be adopted as a working group document. >> >>There are no IPR disclosures against either document. An IPR poll has >>been started in parallel to this adoption poll >> >>The working group adoption poll ends June 2, 2016, given that the IPR >>poll has concluded. >> >>/Loa >> >>MPLS wg co-chair. >>-- >> >> >>Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >>Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >>Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >> > >_______________________________________________ >mpls mailing list >mpls@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From nobody Tue May 31 01:51:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B579212D136; Tue, 31 May 2016 01:51:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GUF_cJwnHyiF; Tue, 31 May 2016 01:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78E6C12D0F0; Tue, 31 May 2016 01:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 50D811802ADA; Tue, 31 May 2016 10:51:41 +0200 (CEST) To: "mpls@ietf.org" References: From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <8fd95156-e14a-4879-3d00-2a1ba3290c39@pi.nu> Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 10:51:37 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] Closed: working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 08:51:46 -0000 Working Group, This working group last call is closed. There has been some comments that needs to be addressed, can the authors do that and re-post the draft. /Loa On 2016-05-07 04:06, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > This is to initiate a two week working group last call on > draft-ietf-mpls-app-aware-tldp. > > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). > > There were one IPR disclosure against the individual draft that this > document replaced. > > The document shepherd and working group chairs are frequently asked > about the working group discussions related to any IPR disclosures. > > We like to remind the working group that discussion on the content > and validity of an IPR disclosure should not take place on the MPLS wg > list or any IETF mailing lists. > > However we are looking for simple statements whether you think the > working group should continue progress the document, regardless of an > existing IPR disclosure. Please include this information in your > "support/do not support" when responding to working group adoption > calls and last calls. > > All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on > the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other > IPRs that relates to this draft. > > This working group last call ends May 22, 2016. > > > /Loa > for the MPLS wg chairs From nobody Tue May 31 05:09:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C50012D76A; Tue, 31 May 2016 05:09:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.947 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.947 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Tue, 31 May 2016 07:05:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160531140504.18647.87194.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 07:05:04 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-rosen-mpls-rfc3107bis-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 14:05:05 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF. Title : Using BGP to Bind MPLS Labels to Address Prefixes Author : Eric C. Rosen Filename : draft-rosen-mpls-rfc3107bis-01.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2016-05-31 Abstract: This document specifies a set of procedures for using BGP to advertise that a specified router has bound a specified MPLS label (or a specified sequence of MPLS labels, organized as a contiguous part of a label stack) to a specified address prefix. This can be done by sending a BGP UPDATE message whose Network Layer Reachability Information field contains both the prefix and the MPLS label(s), and whose Next Hop field identifies the node at which said prefix is bound to said label(s). This document obsoletes RFC 3107. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rosen-mpls-rfc3107bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rosen-mpls-rfc3107bis-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rosen-mpls-rfc3107bis-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue May 31 07:36:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675A412D52F; Tue, 31 May 2016 07:36:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160531143617.18660.5335.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 07:36:17 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-temporal-hitless-psm-10.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 14:36:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF. Title : Hitless path segment monitoring Authors : Alessandro D'Alessandro Loa Andersson Satoshi Ueno Kaoru Arai Yoshinori Koike Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-tp-temporal-hitless-psm-10.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2016-05-31 Abstract: One of the most important OAM capabilities for transport network operation is fault localisation. An in-service, on-demand segment monitoring function of a transport path is indispensable, particularly when the service monitoring function is activated only between end points. However, the current segment monitoring approach defined for MPLS RFC 6371 [RFC6371] has drawbacks. This document provides an analysis of the existing MPLS-TP OAM mechanisms for the path segment monitoring and provides requirements to guide the development of new OAM tools to support a Hitless Path Segment Monitoring (HPSM). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-temporal-hitless-psm/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-temporal-hitless-psm-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mpls-tp-temporal-hitless-psm-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue May 31 08:58:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4C412D610; Tue, 31 May 2016 08:58:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.328 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.328 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EOndqIiAB2Kl; Tue, 31 May 2016 08:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B47712D60C; Tue, 31 May 2016 08:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CF52F1E335; Tue, 31 May 2016 12:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 12:04:23 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: rtg-bfd@ietf.org, mpls@ietf.org Message-ID: <20160531160423.GL10531@pfrc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] De-chartering draft-ietf-bfd-mpls-mib X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 15:58:53 -0000 BFD and MPLS Working Groups, Back in November of last year, BFD polled to see what should become of the chartered work for a MIB providing MPLS extensions for the base BFD MIB. At that time, we didn't find any support for bringing the MIB forward for last call. Interest in MIBs has obviously been waning as Yang has gained popularity within IETF. Additionally, the operational cases covered by the MPLS extensions to the BFD MIB apparently haven't proven compelling to the working groups or vendors. The BFD chairs, in consultation with the MPLS chairs, are minded to remove this MIB from the charter. Given that the draft is actually fairly mature and in a state largely ready to pass last call (with a few known changes likely to be recommended by the MIB doctors), we wanted to extend one last comment period to both working groups before taking this action. Please send your comments to the rtg-bfd@ietf.org mailing list if you believe this work should continue. -- Jeff and Reshad From nobody Tue May 31 09:27:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7666D12D094; Tue, 31 May 2016 09:27:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6I9-Rm2Nhh9p; Tue, 31 May 2016 09:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DB5412B053; Tue, 31 May 2016 09:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3342F180155A; Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:08 +0200 (CEST) To: "mpls@ietf.org" From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <4bf47f82-154c-4e64-de7d-402edc21a95e@pi.nu> Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:03 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time@tools.ietf.org" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "tictoc@ietf.org" Subject: [mpls] Working Group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 16:27:11 -0000 Working Group, This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-09. Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). There were one IPR disclosure against the individual draft that this document replaced. The document shepherd and working group chairs are frequently asked about the working group discussions related to any IPR disclosures. We like to remind the working group that discussion on the content and validity of an IPR disclosure should not take place on the MPLS wg list or any IETF mailing lists. However we are looking for simple statements whether you think the working group should continue progress the document, regardless of an existing IPR disclosure. Please include this information in your "support/do not support" when responding to working group adoption calls and last calls. All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to this draft. This working group last call ends June 15, 2016. CCAMP and TICTOC wg's, This is to inform you that this wglc is taking place, please direct the discussion to the mpls wg mailing list. /Loa for the MPLS wg chairs -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Tue May 31 09:35:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE8712D09A; Tue, 31 May 2016 09:35:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=junipernetworks.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mmG-t1LPAzD4; 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WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4bf47f82-154c-4e64-de7d-402edc21a95e@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time@tools.ietf.org" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "tictoc@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [mpls] Working Group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 16:50:35 -0000 Working Group, I seem not to be able to get this working group last call started correctly :( - first, I sent the mail without a copy to wg group - second, I say in the text that "the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs [than what have been disclosed] that relates to this draft." This is not correct, ALL authors and contributors has responded to the IPR poll. Sorry for fumbling in this way!! /Loa On 2016-05-31 18:27, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > This is to initiate a two week working group last call on > draft-ietf-mpls-residence-time-09. > > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). > > There were one IPR disclosure against the individual draft that this > document replaced. > > The document shepherd and working group chairs are frequently asked > about the working group discussions related to any IPR disclosures. > > We like to remind the working group that discussion on the content > and validity of an IPR disclosure should not take place on the MPLS wg > list or any IETF mailing lists. > > However we are looking for simple statements whether you think the > working group should continue progress the document, regardless of an > existing IPR disclosure. Please include this information in your > "support/do not support" when responding to working group adoption > calls and last calls. > > All the authors and contributors (with one exception) have stated on > the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other > IPRs that relates to this draft. > > This working group last call ends June 15, 2016. > > CCAMP and TICTOC wg's, > > This is to inform you that this wglc is taking place, please direct the > discussion to the mpls wg mailing list. > > > /Loa > for the MPLS wg chairs