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client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56DB312E051; Wed, 2 May 2018 00:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 850C51801590; Wed, 2 May 2018 09:44:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Loa Andersson To: "mpls@ietf.org" Cc: "spring@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 09:44:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 07:44:50 -0000 Working Group, February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track has been raised. The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational document. It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we now would like to request input from the working group if we should make the document a Standards Track RFC. Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to RFC 6790. Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ). /Loa for the mpls wf co-chairs PS I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Wed May 2 04:22:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851F5126C83; Wed, 2 May 2018 04:22:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UpjjjMlu3X3n; Wed, 2 May 2018 04:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 521FA126B72; Wed, 2 May 2018 04:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6141A1801590; Wed, 2 May 2018 13:22:16 +0200 (CEST) To: "Andrew G. Malis" Cc: "Zafar Ali (zali)" , "mpls@ietf.org" , SPRING WG List , mpls , "sfc@ietf.org" References: <2ac6b61d-3a38-1aaf-62ae-d923f1ad7468@pi.nu> <052998BB-B820-412C-8363-B3EB7551B299@nokia.com> <1522554645079.8864@bell.ca> <1522812352107.5966@bell.ca> <489a9667-f159-4607-5834-b4bacf64989c@gmail.com> <09337fcf-64c9-450c-8dbc-ba8330611fe4.xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com> <6EE25554-3714-4A75-896F-24CC89BAA807@gmail.com> <5dab5411-0b08-4bd4-86ec-752e1803c3ff.xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com> <6bea41f6-5519-f512-92e5-a72bbd6187da@gmail.com> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <48af626d-bfae-3e11-39ec-a36fa2984d81@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 13:22:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 11:22:22 -0000 Andy, The chairs of the SPRING and MPLS wg has discussed the proposal to adopt draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining in the MPLS wg. Our agreement is that draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining belongs in the SPRING wg. /Loa for the SPRING and MPLS wg co-chairs On 2018-04-15 16:55, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > Zafar, et al, > > Perhaps the fairest to all concerned is for the MPLS WG to adopt both > drafts, and then it will be up to the WG (rather than the authors) to > best determine the technical details going forward, and how best to > document them. That way the work becomes the consensus product of the WG. > > Cheers, > Andy > > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 12:44 AM, Zafar Ali (zali) > wrote: > > Dear Stewart, WG Chairs and the WG, ____ > > __ __ > > I do not agree with Stewart’s points and will response in a separate > email. But all that is just noise and that cannot resolve the issue > at hand. ____ > > __ __ > > A countless time, Xiaohu has raised the issue that the intellectual > property for the contents in section 6 of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc > belongs to draft-xu-mpls-service-chaining. Please see one of > Xiaohu's recent emails with the subject *"[spring] For the fairness > and justice of the IETF culture"* dated Thursday, April 5, 2018 at > 12:34 AM, copied in the following. ____ > > __ __ > > This issue was also raised by many during the WG adoption poll of > the document. The chairs adopted the work with the promise of fixing > the issue. Specifically, in the email to announce the adoption of > the ID to the WG, the chair(s) mentioned the following:____ > > __ __ > > "That decision is taken, the issues that has been pointed out are____ > > noted. These issues need to be resolved on the mailing list and____ > > rough consensus need to be reached for text changes in the document.____ > > Actually the members of the working group have much more influence > on____ > > a working group document, than on an individual draft.____ > > It would be far better if we now focused on proposing text changes,____ > > rather than discussing processes."____ > > __ __ > > This is a serious issue; we need to remove section 6 from draft- > farrel-mpls-sfc to move forward. These contents will proceed in > draft-xu*, where the contents started initially. Everyone will have > a fair chance to contribute to the contents as part of > collaborations on draft-xu*. __ __ > > __ __ > > Thanks____ > > __ __ > > Regards … Zafar ____ > > __ __ > > *From: *spring > on behalf of "徐小虎(义先)" > > > *Date: *Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 12:34 AM > *To: *"mpls@ietf.org " >, SPRING WG List > > *Cc: *"ietf@ietf.org " > > *Subject: *[spring] For the fairness and justice of the IETF > culture//Re: [mpls] What to do with draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-00.txt____ > > __ __ > > Hi all,____ > > __ __ > > As I had pointed out before, this draft describes two MPLS-based SFC____ > > approaches: one is how to encode the NSH info, more specifically, > the SPI____ > > and SI info by two MPLS labels, which is still a stateful SFC > mechanism____ > > just like NSH; another is how to leverage the MPLS-SR to realize a____ > > stateless SFC (see section 6).____ > > __ __ > > It has been pointed out by many people that section 6 of the draft > copies____ > > the____ > > idea of (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-mpls-service-chaining > )____ > > without any technology contribution except replacing “MPLS Segment____ > > Routing” by “Label Stack”. Funnily, one author of > draft-ietf-mpls-sfc____ > > had inadvertently admitted____ > > "using a different name for the same thing is not so clever" (see____ > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/mpls/y7FTc38ysVf6PyJlA04MEFSN9nc > ) > in____ > > another thread. ____ > > __ __ > > IMHO, the indulgence towards such behavior of copying____ > > ideas of existing drafts with word tricks would seriously trample____ > > underfoot the fairness and justice of the IETF culture. At least, it > would____ > > badly damage the interest and enthusiasm of IETF participants, > especially____ > > newcomers and non-native speakers of English.____ > > __ __ > > Best regards,____ > > Xiaohu____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > *From: *mpls > > on behalf of Stewart Bryant > > *Date: *Friday, April 13, 2018 at 3:10 AM > *To: *"徐小虎(义先)" > > *Cc: *"mpls@ietf.org " >, mpls >, Robert Raszuk >, "sfc@ietf.org " > > > *Subject: *Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of > draft-farrel-mpls-sfc____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > On 13/04/2018 08:23, 徐小虎(义先) wrote:____ > > Hi Stewart,____ > > __ __ > > Thanks for your response. For the SR-based SFC mechanism that > has been described in draft-xuclad*, it's not helpful to > describe it again in another draft. The most simple and > efficient way to address the overlapping issue is to reference > draft-xuclad* rather than "using a different name > for the same thing". I'm looking forward to seeing the revision > of draft-farrel* that would address the overlapping issue > concretely.____ > > > Please read what I said. > > There are subtle but important technical differences between the two > approaches. > > - Stewart > > > ____ > > > > ____ > > If co-authors of draft-farrel* believed the current text as > described in draft-xuclad* is not good enough or misses > something important, any comments and suggestions are more than > welcome.____ > > > I will send you some text to include in draft-xuclad that points to > the important differences in the approach taken in draft-farrel. > This will clarify the issue to the reader. > > I hope that this is an acceptable resolution of this issue. > > - Stewart > > > > ____ > > > > ____ > > Best regards,____ > > Xiaohu____ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------____ > > Stewart Bryant > ____ > > 2018年4月13日(星期五) 13:27____ > > 徐小虎(义先) > ____ > > mpls ; > "Bernier, Daniel" > ; > Robert Raszuk ; > mpls@ietf.org; > sfc@ietf.org____ > > Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of > draft-farrel-mpls-sfc____ > > __ __ > > Hi Xiaohu ____ > > __ __ > > What an earlier version of the draft said is of no > importance. What it says going forward is what counts.____ > > __ __ > > Perhaps the way to address your concern is to include some > text of the form that I used in my email of yesterday to > describe to the reader the difference in approach. This is > consistent with earlier advice in this discussion to > reference the work from which this forked.____ > > __ __ > > - Stewart____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > Sent from my iPad____ > > > On 13 Apr 2018, at 03:35, 徐小虎(义先) > > > wrote:____ > > Hi Stewart,____ > > __ __ > > If draft-farrel* was just describing an MPLS-based SFC > technology that is different from the MPLS-SR-based SFC > technology that has been described in draft-xuclad*, that > would be fine. However, draft-farrel* also described the > technology that has been described in draft-xuclad* (see > section 6) by "using a different name for the same thing". > Note that the title of section 6 in those pervious versions > of draft-farrel* is ____ > > "MPLS Segment Routing". One co-author of draft-farrel* said > they worked very hard to change the "Segment Routing" term > to "label stack" term in the new version of draft-farrel* in > order to deal with the overlapping issue. However, such > change is just "using a different name for the same thing", > and it doesn't solve the overlapping issue at all, as had > been pointed out by many people. As said by one co-author of > draft-farrel*, in a thread which is irrelavant to this > overlapping issue, "using a different > name for the same thing is not so clever:)". In fact, it > would cause unneccessary confusions to implementors by > describing the same technology within different drafts. More > badly, it would set a bad precedant in the IETF of copying > the idea of the existing draft by > "using a different name for the same thing".____ > > > > ____ > > Best regards,____ > > Xiaohu____ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------____ > > Stewart Bryant > >____ > > 2018年4月12日(星期四) 23:04____ > > "Bernier, Daniel" > >; > Robert Raszuk >____ > > mpls@ietf.org>; > sfc@ietf.org>____ > > Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of > draft-farrel-mpls-sfc____ > > __ __ > > > Rather than have a process discussion, I think we should > go up a level > and better understand the technical differences between > the two drafts. > > draft-farrel-mpls-sfc describes the actions at a > hop in terms of a tuple > that mirrors the SFC approach that allows a short indication of > potentially re-entrant chains. In its simplest form it uses > a compact > MPLS stack to describe an arbitarily complex path that > is compatile with > simple edge routers which are often challenged in terms of > the number of > labels that they can push. > > draft-xu-clad-spring-sr-service-chaining unrolls the > path and explicitly > calls out each hop and each > function into the label stack. This results > in a much larger MPLS label stack that will challenge > some edge routers. > The way that we generally deal with imposition limits > is through the use > of binding-SIDs, which in the limiting case resolves to the > approach in > draft-farrel with the limitation that the position > on the path is > implicit in the label stack size rather than explicitly > specified by the SI. > > Mid-flight path changes (if such things are needed) is > clearly simpler > with draft-farrel. > > The short stack in draft-farrel comes at the cost of > greater network > forwarding stack, and the long stack is the price that > draft-xu-clad > pays for the reduction in forwarding state. > > The optimal design point between forwarding and > control plane state is > something that is dependent on many parameters, and is > dependent on many > network and operational > factors, so much so, that don't think it is wise > to rule either out of scope at this stage. > > The hybrid mode in section 6 of draft-farrel supports the > mixed mode in > section 7 of the draft. This allows the construction of > SFCs that are > the concatination of two or more compacted sub-chains. > This allows the > operator to deploy a solution > with the advantages of draft-farrel > together with some of the flexibility of draft-xu-clad. > > At this stage the two drafts are sufficienly different > that I think we > need to proceed with both at least to the point where we fully > understand the detailed consequences of the two > approachs and the > scenarios where each finds it's niche. > > After developing a better understanding the detail of > each design, their > control plane, and operational contexts and how > each maps to customer > network requirements, we can move the drafts to the > appropriate IETF > track. Such tracks may be anything from abandonment to > IETF standard for > one or both of these approaches. > > Meanwhile I think that we need to focus our efforts on a deeper > understanding of the technology and how each might > make the Internet > work better,  rather than spending effort on arguing > about IETF process. > > - Stewart > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls____ > > __ __ > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls____ > > __ __ > > > > ____ > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Wed May 2 05:10:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981F9120454; 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Malis" Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 08:10:24 -0400 Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Cc: "Zafar Ali (zali)" , "mpls@ietf.org" , SPRING WG List , mpls , "sfc@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f58a48056b37f9a3" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 12:10:49 -0000 --000000000000f58a48056b37f9a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Loa, Thanks for the update, much appreciated. Cheers, Andy On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 7:22 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Andy, > > The chairs of the SPRING and MPLS wg has discussed the proposal to > adopt draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining in the MPLS wg. > Our agreement is that draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining > belongs in the SPRING wg. > > /Loa > for the SPRING and MPLS wg co-chairs > > On 2018-04-15 16:55, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > >> Zafar, et al, >> >> Perhaps the fairest to all concerned is for the MPLS WG to adopt both >> drafts, and then it will be up to the WG (rather than the authors) to best >> determine the technical details going forward, and how best to document >> them. That way the work becomes the consensus product of the WG. >> >> Cheers, >> Andy >> >> --000000000000f58a48056b37f9a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loa,

Thanks for the update, much apprec= iated.

Cheers,
Andy

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 7:22 AM, = Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
A= ndy,

The chairs of the SPRING and MPLS wg has discussed the proposal to
adopt draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining in the MPLS wg.
Our agreement is that draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining
belongs in the SPRING wg.

/Loa
for the SPRING and MPLS wg co-chairs

On 2018-04-15 16:55, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
Zafar, et al,

Perhaps the fairest to all concerned is for the MPLS WG to adopt both draft= s, and then it will be up to the WG (rather than the authors) to best deter= mine the technical details going forward, and how best to document them. Th= at way the work becomes the consensus product of the WG.

Cheers,
Andy

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Malis" Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 09:01:15 -0400 Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d169ad056b38af9f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 13:01:39 -0000 --000000000000d169ad056b38af9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loa, There=E2=80=99s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support maki= ng this standards track. Cheers, Andy On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-ent > ropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --000000000000d169ad056b38af9f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loa,

There=E2=80=99s plenty of RFC 2119= language in the draft, so I support making this standards track.

Cheers,
Andy


On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44= AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group,

February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls-
spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC.

During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the
document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track
has been raised.

The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time=
ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the
document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were
convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational
document.

It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we
now would like to request input from the working group if we should make the document a Standards Track RFC.

Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/

All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational
or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review.

If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we
also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790.

This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have
support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support
placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to
RFC 6790.

Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ).

/Loa
for the mpls wf co-chairs

PS

I'm copying the spring working group on this mail.
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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v12-v6sm10283142wrm.68.2018.05.02.06.51.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 May 2018 06:51:31 -0700 (PDT) To: "Andrew G. Malis" , Loa Andersson Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" References: From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 14:51:30 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7B0C195818E0C6D7EF509066" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] [spring] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 13:51:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7B0C195818E0C6D7EF509066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Be careful. There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in different parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL is the sole source of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be implicitly standardizing that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we need to update the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of entropy, because that solves a number of problems, particularly in network instrumentation, but we need to do that explicitly and not as an artefact of this draft. So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, or it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is the sole source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I think we need to do) and this draft is published with a normative reference to an RFC that specifies the stricter EL behaviour. - Stewart On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > Loa, > > There’s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support making > this standards track. > > Cheers, > Andy > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson > wrote: > > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we > should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you > support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( > mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. > -- > > > Loa Andersson                        email: loa@pi.nu > > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting             phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring --------------7B0C195818E0C6D7EF509066 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Be careful.

There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in different parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL is the sole source of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be implicitly standardizing that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we need to update the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of entropy, because that solves a number of problems, particularly in network instrumentation, but we need to do that explicitly and not as an artefact of this draft.

So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, or it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is the sole source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I think we need to do) and this draft is published with a normative reference to an RFC that specifies the stricter EL behaviour.

- Stewart


On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
Loa,

There’s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support making this standards track.

Cheers,
Andy


On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group,

February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls-
spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC.

During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the
document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track
has been raised.

The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time
ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the
document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were
convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational
document.

It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we
now would like to request input from the working group if we should make
the document a Standards Track RFC.

Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/

All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational
or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review.

If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we
also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790.

This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have
support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support
placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to
RFC 6790.

Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ).

/Loa
for the mpls wf co-chairs

PS

I'm copying the spring working group on this mail.
--


Loa Andersson                        email: loa@pi.nu
Senior MPLS Expert
Bronze Dragon Consulting             phone: +46 739 81 21 64

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Malis" , Loa Andersson CC: "mpls@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mpls] [spring] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? 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from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n1cGzGzsNEfQ; Wed, 2 May 2018 07:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FF66120726; Wed, 2 May 2018 07:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AF8BA1801590; Wed, 2 May 2018 16:58:46 +0200 (CEST) To: Eric Gray , Stewart Bryant , "Andrew G. Malis" Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" References: <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64BA5F0DE@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64BA5F2F2@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <74cf7d87-f5e4-8a14-0506-45313edf8943@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 16:58:46 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64BA5F2F2@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] [spring] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 14:58:52 -0000 Eric, Stewart, wg, Wouldn't just a few words in the draft saying something along the lines "This document should not be interpreted in such a way that the ECMP behavior is limited to rely on EL only." Go a long way to clarify Stewart's concerns? /Loa On 2018-05-02 16:52, Eric Gray wrote: > Stewart, et al, > >                 Loa just pointed out that I made a typo in the original > mail below.  In the second paragraph, I meant to say: > >                 “Explicitly limiting ECMP behavior to …” > > -- > > Eric > > *From:*mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Eric Gray > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2018 10:28 AM > *To:* Stewart Bryant ; Andrew G. Malis > ; Loa Andersson > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] [spring] should > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the > standards track? > > Stewart, > >                 At least one view of the purpose of an Entropy label is > that it _/adds/_ entropy to the process of path selection. > >                 Explicitly limiting EL behavior to rely exclusively on > use of the entropy label would also explicitly _/limit/_ the total > entropy to whatever the implementation that provided the entropy label > was implemented to treat as _/sufficient/_ among all paths in the ECMP > gestalt, possibly including branches that implementation might not know > about. > >                 I doubt very much that many of the problems you refer > to would have arisen if folks generally felt that the entropy label – by > itself – provides sufficient entropy. > >                 It might make sense to impose this restriction – > optionally – when a deployment occurs in which any particular > pathological behavior might be expected to occur. > >                 In that case, it might be very important to ensure that > the limited approaches available for maximizing efficient load > distribution via explicit and exclusive use of the entropy label are > acceptable to a reasonably diverse set of implementers, as support for > at least one of those approaches would then become a mandatory part of > every standard implementation. > >                 Even so, I don’t believe it is a good idea to restrict > implementations from using other approaches in every case. > >                 The simplest example possible (where doing so is a big > problem) is one where the entropy labels provided have N possible > values  and there are M possible paths, where M>N. In any scenario where > this occurs, M-N paths simply will not be used. > > -- > > Eric > > *From:*mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:52 AM > *To:* Andrew G. Malis >; > Loa Andersson > > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org ; spring@ietf.org > ; mpls-ads@ietf.org ; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] [spring] should > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the > standards track? > > Be careful. > > There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in different > parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL is the sole > source of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be implicitly > standardizing that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we need to > update the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of entropy, because > that solves a number of problems, particularly in network > instrumentation, but we need to do that explicitly and not as an > artefact of this draft. > > So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, or > it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is the > sole source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I think we > need to do) and this draft is published with a normative reference to an > RFC that specifies the stricter EL behaviour. > > - Stewart > > On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > > Loa, > > There’s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support > making this standards track. > > Cheers, > > Andy > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson > wrote: > > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a > long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document > that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we > should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be > Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you > support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an > update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( > mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. > -- > > > Loa Andersson                        email: loa@pi.nu > > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting             phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > _______________________________________________ > > spring mailing list > > spring@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Wed May 2 08:04:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC095120726; Wed, 2 May 2018 08:03:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=juniper.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rYl6Zgke407X; Wed, 2 May 2018 08:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00273201.pphosted.com (mx0a-00273201.pphosted.com [208.84.65.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16AFA12025C; Wed, 2 May 2018 08:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0108156.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0a-00273201.pphosted.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w42F08cc004025; Wed, 2 May 2018 08:03:50 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juniper.net; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : mime-version; s=PPS1017; bh=vi0ex4IRlXWlTbyD8A92YumfY96j9krmNVYZSS2H0LI=; b=rIFAS+IzgXqP06n0T73o0gbrsFeWfz0rItUFHottcAnpa5pnCsonuYLkX2YIVGGoc1kN 7Ect3ljSy9XlTAUfnzVzJZ/bDmIv7gAH2ca15TzZH/JdMzZb5zFDw8dp9c/peR6IaZPt yaftJjM9aUFRADAgnPCy9wAa4FE+viom2DeXVOy7FoDhnGmfiPvgLn50ca+oP9Oou8jR vvpK2bv+I5oTU/2M6RJv6vAOF0XAdRiM5nJD6o6xQxseA8cfvVQbv0qojxZbPy4mg/vB n0ubsDBICZNiJn738QsztkEqCuvFVsHBH3o+ZyKDzhSHNTaSQqdPlPBVcjv4S4epx3Up BA== Received: from nam03-co1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-co1nam03lp0023.outbound.protection.outlook.com [216.32.181.23]) by mx0a-00273201.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 2hqffu80m7-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 02 May 2018 08:03:50 -0700 Received: from CO2PR0501MB902.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.247.17) by CO2PR0501MB1013.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.160.10.150) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.755.10; Wed, 2 May 2018 15:03:48 +0000 Received: from CO2PR0501MB902.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::44e0:9e82:f58c:2fb7]) by CO2PR0501MB902.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::44e0:9e82:f58c:2fb7%6]) with mapi id 15.20.0735.006; Wed, 2 May 2018 15:03:48 +0000 From: John E Drake To: Eric Gray , Stewart Bryant , "Andrew G. 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Malis" , Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006acb31056b3a8f01" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] [spring] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 15:15:49 -0000 --0000000000006acb31056b3a8f01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with adding such a statement here if this document should be standards track. It's not clear to me that such an implication is intended by the draft. r. On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:04 AM John E Drake wrote: > Stewart, > > > > Realistically, I think your proposal is an example of closing the barn > door after the horse has bolted. > > > > Yours Irrespectively, > > > > John > > > > *From:* spring *On Behalf Of *Eric Gray > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:28 AM > *To:* Stewart Bryant ; Andrew G. Malis < > agmalis@gmail.com>; Loa Andersson > > > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: [spring] [mpls] should > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standar= ds > track? > > > > Stewart, > > > > At least one view of the purpose of an Entropy label is > that it _*adds*_ entropy to the process of path selection. > > > > Explicitly limiting EL behavior to rely exclusively on us= e > of the entropy label would also explicitly _*limit*_ the total entropy to > whatever the implementation that provided the entropy label was implement= ed > to treat as _*sufficient*_ among all paths in the ECMP gestalt, possibly > including branches that implementation might not know about. > > > > I doubt very much that many of the problems you refer to > would have arisen if folks generally felt that the entropy label =E2=80= =93 by > itself =E2=80=93 provides sufficient entropy. > > > > It might make sense to impose this restriction =E2=80=93 > optionally =E2=80=93 when a deployment occurs in which any particular pat= hological > behavior might be expected to occur. > > > > In that case, it might be very important to ensure that > the limited approaches available for maximizing efficient load distributi= on > via explicit and exclusive use of the entropy label are acceptable to a > reasonably diverse set of implementers, as support for at least one of > those approaches would then become a mandatory part of every standard > implementation. > > > > Even so, I don=E2=80=99t believe it is a good idea to res= trict > implementations from using other approaches in every case. > > > > The simplest example possible (where doing so is a big > problem) is one where the entropy labels provided have N possible values > and there are M possible paths, where M>N. In any scenario where this > occurs, M-N paths simply will not be used. > > > > -- > > Eric > > > > *From:* mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:52 AM > *To:* Andrew G. Malis ; Loa Andersson > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] [spring] should > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standar= ds > track? > > > > Be careful. > > There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in different > parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL is the sole > source of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be implicitly > standardizing that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we need to updat= e > the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of entropy, because that solv= es > a number of problems, particularly in network instrumentation, but we nee= d > to do that explicitly and not as an artefact of this draft. > > So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, or > it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is the so= le > source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I think we need t= o > do) and this draft is published with a normative reference to an RFC that > specifies the stricter EL behaviour. > > - Stewart > > > > On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > > Loa, > > > > There=E2=80=99s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support ma= king this > standards track. > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08= -rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > spring mailing list > > spring@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > --0000000000006acb31056b3a8f01 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with adding such a statement here if this document= should be standards track. It's not clear to me that such an implicati= on is intended by the draft.

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On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:04 AM John E Dr= ake <jdrake@juniper.net> wr= ote:

Stewart,=

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Realistically, I think= your proposal is an example of closing the barn door after the horse has b= olted.

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Yours Irrespectively,<= u>

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John

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From:= spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Eric Gray
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:28 AM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>; Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>= ;; Loa Andersson <loa@pi.= nu>

Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spri= ng-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track?

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Stewart,<= /u>

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 At= least one view of the purpose of an Entropy label is that it _adds_= entropy to the process of path selection.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ex= plicitly limiting EL behavior to rely exclusively on use of the entropy lab= el would also explicitly _limit_ the total entropy to whatever the i= mplementation that provided the entropy label was implemented to treat as _sufficient_ among all paths in t= he ECMP gestalt, possibly including branches that implementation might not = know about.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I = doubt very much that many of the problems you refer to would have arisen if= folks generally felt that the entropy label =E2=80=93 by itself =E2=80=93 = provides sufficient entropy.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It= might make sense to impose this restriction =E2=80=93 optionally =E2=80=93= when a deployment occurs in which any particular pathological behavior mig= ht be expected to occur.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 In= that case, it might be very important to ensure that the limited approache= s available for maximizing efficient load distribution via explicit and exc= lusive use of the entropy label are acceptable to a reasonably diverse set of implementers, as support for at least one o= f those approaches would then become a mandatory part of every standard imp= lementation.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ev= en so, I don=E2=80=99t believe it is a good idea to restrict implementation= s from using other approaches in every case.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Th= e simplest example possible (where doing so is a big problem) is one where = the entropy labels provided have N possible values=C2=A0 and there are M po= ssible paths, where M>N. In any scenario where this occurs, M-N paths simply will not be used.

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Eric<= /span>

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From:= mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:52 AM
To: Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>; Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Cc: mpls@ietf.org= ; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [mpls] [spring] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-l= abel be published as a RFC on the standards track?

=C2=A0

Be careful.

There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in different = parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL is the sole sou= rce of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be implicitly standardizing= that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we need to update the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of e= ntropy, because that solves a number of problems, particularly in network i= nstrumentation, but we need to do that explicitly and not as an artefact of= this draft.

So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, or= it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is the sol= e source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I think we need t= o do) and this draft is published with a normative reference to an RFC that specifies the stricter EL behavi= our.

- Stewart

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On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote:

Loa,

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There=E2=80=99s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the d= raft, so I support making this standards track.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Andy

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=C2=A0

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

Working Group,

February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls-
spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC.

During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the
document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track
has been raised.

The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time=
ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the
document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were
convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational
document.

It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we
now would like to request input from the working group if we should make the document a Standards Track RFC.

Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at:
https://da= tatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-c= eccarelli-2018-02-21/

All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational
or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review.

If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we
also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790.

This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have
support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support
placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to
RFC 6790.

Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ).

/Loa
for the mpls wf co-chairs

PS

I'm copying the spring working group on this mail.
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X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 15:50:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B93DCEEBDDB051BD45AC841F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, yes and no. Presumably routers know what they are load balancing on and can report that to the control & management plane, a path can be chosen that explicitly takes a path based on the desired behaviour. Also presumably if there is a need, the ECMP behaviour could be modified to only use the EL. My big concern is that there are a number of instrumentation (and maybe path construction) cases where we really would like to see EL only ECMP. - Stewart On 02/05/2018 16:03, John E Drake wrote: > > Stewart, > > Realistically, I think your proposal is an example of closing the barn > door after the horse has bolted. > > Yours Irrespectively, > > John > > *From:*spring *On Behalf Of *Eric Gray > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:28 AM > *To:* Stewart Bryant ; Andrew G. Malis > ; Loa Andersson > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [spring] [mpls] should > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the > standards track? > > Stewart, > > At least one view of the purpose of an Entropy label is that it > _/adds/_ entropy to the process of path selection. > > Explicitly limiting EL behavior to rely exclusively on use of the > entropy label would also explicitly _/limit/_ the total entropy to > whatever the implementation that provided the entropy label was > implemented to treat as _/sufficient/_ among all paths in the ECMP > gestalt, possibly including branches that implementation might not > know about. > > I doubt very much that many of the problems you refer to would have > arisen if folks generally felt that the entropy label – by itself – > provides sufficient entropy. > > It might make sense to impose this restriction – optionally – when a > deployment occurs in which any particular pathological behavior might > be expected to occur. > > In that case, it might be very important to ensure that the limited > approaches available for maximizing efficient load distribution via > explicit and exclusive use of the entropy label are acceptable to a > reasonably diverse set of implementers, as support for at least one of > those approaches would then become a mandatory part of every standard > implementation. > > Even so, I don’t believe it is a good idea to restrict implementations > from using other approaches in every case. > > The simplest example possible (where doing so is a big problem) is one > where the entropy labels provided have N possible values  and there > are M possible paths, where M>N. In any scenario where this occurs, > M-N paths simply will not be used. > > -- > > Eric > > *From:*mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:52 AM > *To:* Andrew G. Malis >; > Loa Andersson > > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org ; spring@ietf.org > ; mpls-ads@ietf.org > ; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] [spring] should > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the > standards track? > > Be careful. > > There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in > different parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL > is the sole source of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be > implicitly standardizing that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we > need to update the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of entropy, > because that solves a number of problems, particularly in network > instrumentation, but we need to do that explicitly and not as an > artefact of this draft. > > So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, > or it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is > the sole source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I > think we need to do) and this draft is published with a normative > reference to an RFC that specifies the stricter EL behaviour. > > - Stewart > > On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > > Loa, > > There’s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support > making this standards track. > > Cheers, > > Andy > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson > wrote: > > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that > draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards > Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a > long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we > were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an > Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document > that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we > should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be > Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document > then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC > 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If > you support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an > update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( > mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. > -- > > > Loa Andersson         email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting        phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > spring mailing list > > spring@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > --------------B93DCEEBDDB051BD45AC841F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


Well, yes and no.

Presumably routers know what they are load balancing on and can report that to the control & management plane, a path can be chosen that explicitly takes a path based on the desired behaviour.

Also presumably if there is a need, the ECMP behaviour could be modified to only use the EL.

My big concern is that there are a number of instrumentation (and maybe path construction) cases where we really would like to see EL only ECMP.

- Stewart


On 02/05/2018 16:03, John E Drake wrote:

Stewart,

 

Realistically, I think your proposal is an example of closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.

 

Yours Irrespectively,

 

John

 

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Eric Gray
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:28 AM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>; Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>; Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Cc: mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track?

 

Stewart,

 

                At least one view of the purpose of an Entropy label is that it _adds_ entropy to the process of path selection.

 

                Explicitly limiting EL behavior to rely exclusively on use of the entropy label would also explicitly _limit_ the total entropy to whatever the implementation that provided the entropy label was implemented to treat as _sufficient_ among all paths in the ECMP gestalt, possibly including branches that implementation might not know about.

 

                I doubt very much that many of the problems you refer to would have arisen if folks generally felt that the entropy label – by itself – provides sufficient entropy.

 

                It might make sense to impose this restriction – optionally – when a deployment occurs in which any particular pathological behavior might be expected to occur.

 

                In that case, it might be very important to ensure that the limited approaches available for maximizing efficient load distribution via explicit and exclusive use of the entropy label are acceptable to a reasonably diverse set of implementers, as support for at least one of those approaches would then become a mandatory part of every standard implementation.

 

                Even so, I don’t believe it is a good idea to restrict implementations from using other approaches in every case.

 

                The simplest example possible (where doing so is a big problem) is one where the entropy labels provided have N possible values  and there are M possible paths, where M>N. In any scenario where this occurs, M-N paths simply will not be used.

 

--

Eric

 

From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:52 AM
To: Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>; Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Cc: mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [mpls] [spring] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track?

 

Be careful.

There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in different parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL is the sole source of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be implicitly standardizing that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we need to update the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of entropy, because that solves a number of problems, particularly in network instrumentation, but we need to do that explicitly and not as an artefact of this draft.

So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, or it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is the sole source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I think we need to do) and this draft is published with a normative reference to an RFC that specifies the stricter EL behaviour.

- Stewart

 

On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote:

Loa,

 

There’s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support making this standards track.

 

Cheers,

Andy

 

 

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

Working Group,

February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls-
spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC.

During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the
document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track
has been raised.

The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time
ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the
document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were
convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational
document.

It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we
now would like to request input from the working group if we should make
the document a Standards Track RFC.

Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/

All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational
or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review.

If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we
also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790.

This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have
support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support
placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to
RFC 6790.

Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ).

/Loa
for the mpls wf co-chairs

PS

I'm copying the spring working group on this mail.
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<48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64BA5FDB4@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> References: <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64BA5FDB4@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 14:59:44 -0400 Message-ID: To: Eric Gray Cc: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000daf417056b3db128" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 19:00:12 -0000 --000000000000daf417056b3db128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric, That=E2=80=99s a fair point, and a matter of interpretation of the draft. I= t would be more obvious that standards track was necessary if the draft defined new message formats or TLVs on the wire, or if any requests were being made of IANA. Neither is the case in this draft. However, there is quite a bit of RFC 2119 language. That means that interoperability requirements are being made of implementers of a draft/RFC. An implementation MUST do the =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9Ds, and so on= , if they want to play nicely with other implementations. Informational status is great for documents like architectures, problem statements, or to document how a particular vendor or operator did something interesting. However, right in the abstract, this draft says =E2=80=9CThis document examines and describes how ELs are to be applied to = Segment Routing MPLS.=E2=80=9D That, in combination with the RFC 2119 language, sou= nds very standards tracky, rather than informational, to me. Cheers, Andy On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Eric Gray wrote: > Andy, > > > > Don=E2=80=99t you feel that this is just a bit of a flip > observation? > > > > Personally I agree that RFC 2119 =E2=80=9Clanguage=E2=80= =9D and even a > reference to RFC 2119 itself seems inappropriate in an =E2=80=9CFYI=E2=80= =9D RFC. > > > > But I have been over-ridden on that before. > > > > I have to say, however that making something a standards > track document _*because*_ it has RFC 2119 =E2=80=9Clanguage=E2=80=9D in = it is a tad > extreme. > > > > Know another RFC that has a lot of RFC 2119 =E2=80=9Clang= uage=E2=80=9D in > it that is not a standards track RFC? RFC 2119=E2=80=A6 > > > > =F0=9F=98=8A > > > > -- > > Eric > > > > *From:* mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew G. Mali= s > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:01 AM > *To:* Loa Andersson > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be > published as a RFC on the standards track? > > > > Loa, > > > > There=E2=80=99s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support ma= king this > standards track. > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring- > entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > --000000000000daf417056b3db128 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Eric,

That=E2=80=99s a fair point, and = a matter of interpretation of the draft. It would be more obvious that stan= dards track was necessary if the draft defined new message formats or TLVs = on the wire, or if any requests were being made of IANA. Neither is the cas= e in this draft.

However, there is quite a bit of RF= C 2119 language. That means that interoperability requirements are being ma= de of implementers of a draft/RFC. An implementation MUST do the =E2=80=9CM= UST=E2=80=9Ds, and so on, if they want to play nicely with other implementa= tions.

Informational status is great for doc= uments like architectures, problem statements, or to document how a particu= lar vendor or operator did something interesting. However, right in the abs= tract, this draft says =E2=80=9CThis document examines and describes how EL= s are to be applied to Segment Routing MPLS.=E2=80=9D That, in combination = with the RFC 2119 language, sounds very standards tracky, rather than infor= mational, to me.

Cheers,
Andy
=

O= n Wed, May 2, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.com&= gt; wrote:

Andy,

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Don=E2=80=99t you feel that this is= just a bit of a flip observation?

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Personally I agree that RFC 2119 = =E2=80=9Clanguage=E2=80=9D and even a reference to RFC 2119 itself seems in= appropriate in an =E2=80=9CFYI=E2=80=9D RFC.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 But I have been over-ridden on that= before.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Know another RFC that has a lot of = RFC 2119 =E2=80=9Clanguage=E2=80=9D in it that is not a standards track RFC= ?=C2=A0 RFC 2119=E2=80=A6

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From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew G. Malis
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:01 AM
To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Cc: mpls@ietf.org= ; spring@ietf.org<= /a>; mpls-ads@ietf.o= rg; draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entrop= y-label be published as a RFC on the standards track?

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Loa,

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There=E2=80=99s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the d= raft, so I support making this standards track.

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Cheers,

Andy

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On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

Working Group,

February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls-
spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC.

During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the
document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track
has been raised.

The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time=
ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the
document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were
convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational
document.

It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we
now would like to request input from the working group if we should make the document a Standards Track RFC.

Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at:
https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgd= ir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/

All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational
or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review.

If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we
also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790.

This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have
support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support
placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to
RFC 6790.

Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ).

/Loa
for the mpls wf co-chairs

PS

I'm copying the spring working group on this mail.
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Regards, Nobo On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > We are currently preparing draft draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath > for working group last call. > > Part of this preparation is to do an IPR poll. > > This mail is to start the IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping- > lag-multipath? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > There are no IPR disclosures against draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping- > lag-multipath. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > /Loa > mpls wg co-chair > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > --000000000000464084056b56465c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Loa,

I am not aware of any IPR related to this document.
=
Regards,
Nobo

On Tue, Apr 24,= 2018 at 6:42 PM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group,

We are currently preparing draft draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipat= h for working group last call.

Part of this preparation is to do an IPR poll.

This mail is to start the IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-
lag-multipath?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

There are no IPR disclosures against draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-
lag-multipath.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.


/Loa
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--000000000000464084056b56465c-- From nobody Sun May 6 20:05:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6169F1200E5; Sun, 6 May 2018 20:05:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.79.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152566233831.1435.14942942984198057949@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 06 May 2018 20:05:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-mldp-mib-04.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 03:05:38 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Malis" Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 08:05:04 -0300 Message-ID: To: mpls@ietf.org, sfc@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000084101a056b9ba5c4" Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] =?utf-8?q?Segment_Routing_vs=2E_=E2=80=9CLabel_Stacking?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9D_in_draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-00?= X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 11:05:27 -0000 --00000000000084101a056b9ba5c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following URL is a diff between draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-04 and draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-05, when section 6 was updated to change Segment Routing to =E2=80=9CLabel Stacking=E2=80=9D. (Note that the only changes fr= om draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-05 to draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-00 were the name and date change). https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-farrel-mpls-sfc-05.txt If you examine the changes to section 6, it=E2=80=99s pretty clear (at leas= t to me) that the changes are really just cosmetic in nature, such as removing a reference to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing and changing a few terms here and there. That, combined with the fact that the MPLS WG had never discussed =E2=80=9C= Label Stacking=E2=80=9D in a draft (never mind an RFC) prior to the introduction = of Segment Routing leaves me to conclude that section 6 really does need to be removed in order to comply with the WG concerns about -04 and earlier revisions of draft-farrel. Thanks, Andy --00000000000084101a056b9ba5c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The following URL is a diff between=C2=A0draft-farrel-mpls= -sfc-04 and=C2=A0draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-05, when section 6 was updated to ch= ange Segment Routing to =E2=80=9CLabel Stacking=E2=80=9D. (Note that the on= ly changes from draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-05 to=C2=A0draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-00 wer= e the name and date change).


If you examine the changes to section 6, it=E2=80=99s pretty clear (at le= ast to me) that the changes are really just cosmetic in nature, such as rem= oving a reference to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing and changing a few t= erms here and there.=C2=A0

That, combined with the= fact that the MPLS WG had never discussed =E2=80=9CLabel Stacking=E2=80=9D= in a draft (never mind an RFC) prior to the introduction of Segment Routin= g leaves me to conclude that section 6 really does need to be removed in or= der to comply with the WG concerns about -04 and earlier revisions of draft= -farrel.

Thanks,
Andy

--00000000000084101a056b9ba5c4-- From nobody Mon May 7 04:16:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349C512DA54; Mon, 7 May 2018 04:16:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CX44d_U0h3zG; Mon, 7 May 2018 04:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x234.google.com (mail-oi0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12B2412DA15; Mon, 7 May 2018 04:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x234.google.com with SMTP id p62-v6so24709387oie.10; Mon, 07 May 2018 04:16:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=+vnbzc3Sh0ZeMfoQjXZfBFW6NkCwKMPiobx9D+2Ukm0=; b=OIawdY/HkyeBQgNBBdpK1W0HyQn8jLbn/dEcZFCT+4sj+kmppD9L6bUcO17HCX6foP M8b3PJaap5gdLBBIW2HDxh/3e+g3IuFYUI3O4+ugFJLKvibqW51xrusY5Rkr5JBGXvCK dopUx6Z0jgJR/rYPmZqM9IlP0aUoC3cckTz7CETNLebYuHLokNrNm7ysCCMI1SwpPqs1 zdbAJqv3/Va1hmb79BZ4bOLkrdwx82kfy4wklKucAJsaxSi9Dl19QavQGARXcdQmtAAo 5EFXi/v1z1xN2osH4a6s16Sd8PiZkKqPSjTm/NCpYRTQO+vceftJ9yXycxTEKmf6dlpv JWmQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=+vnbzc3Sh0ZeMfoQjXZfBFW6NkCwKMPiobx9D+2Ukm0=; b=UvXsG/9V10m66svPvm863vCUiCNPynY0XlMLFS00IN8UXlmrU9IPe1lI7E+oCchfkP JgMiI8nAbD/Az5UVm7kfSDyriUbaNgGGFVpwTnJBa3A3ptS+v4ZxD9Mk8+xDOH9GfG4v 3MXb7zxMOuUqk7IO2GcKVjjqWK+phB4KlERYD5hZUmpL9h6okYpghu7n/0P8Xn1PoiUP wCAL+o2IGaPU6T/U5eShPygCQJWWxCC6YW7T8FCg3RQPLIJ6VHUJNL+r22AgVaXq8VjY 5/kuMAxfVYgYr+HTAeCjGMBUzzZ5AGag98eW1yfzfJ6nbaaWjr9p+CtXA5Hhjp/QbQl8 WVbg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAgD6Mlnj+WBHAA2mJVVMTO/NnbifOSb5+qJ7dsjjFCq+60FtXK 9zpryKl2vaRrw6Dz4e3cQLHOp+aWNwZoBM7h4II= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrZLoXrsknBdThYSxttNyPBuCB2r4D1gWPEa2UpfSHP3Z1cclmBMHQ5rhm6R1zHMqUkNeplggGcs6hzVNyBtG0= X-Received: by 2002:aca:f447:: with SMTP id s68-v6mr24114135oih.204.1525691768133; Mon, 07 May 2018 04:16:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:1f27:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 7 May 2018 04:15:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 08:15:47 -0300 Message-ID: To: mpls@ietf.org, sfc@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e05e6a056b9bcb43" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] =?utf-8?q?Segment_Routing_vs=2E_=E2=80=9CLabel_Stacking?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9D_in_draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-00?= X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 11:16:21 -0000 --000000000000e05e6a056b9bcb43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just realized that I was a bit more terse in my email than I should have been. When I said that the MPLS WG had never discussed =E2=80=9CLabel Stack= ing=E2=80=9D, well of course we have the label stack, but we had never discussed, prior to Segment Routing, using the label stack as a method to do source routing via only popping labels, with no label swapping along the path. Cheers, Andy On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > The following URL is a diff between draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-04 > and draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-05, when section 6 was updated to change Segmen= t > Routing to =E2=80=9CLabel Stacking=E2=80=9D. (Note that the only changes = from > draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-05 to draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-00 were the name and date > change). > > https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-farrel-mpls-sfc-05.txt > > If you examine the changes to section 6, it=E2=80=99s pretty clear (at le= ast to > me) that the changes are really just cosmetic in nature, such as removing= a > reference to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing and changing a few terms > here and there. > > That, combined with the fact that the MPLS WG had never discussed =E2=80= =9CLabel > Stacking=E2=80=9D in a draft (never mind an RFC) prior to the introductio= n of > Segment Routing leaves me to conclude that section 6 really does need to = be > removed in order to comply with the WG concerns about -04 and earlier > revisions of draft-farrel. > > Thanks, > Andy > > --000000000000e05e6a056b9bcb43 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just realized that I was a bit more terse in my email th= an I should have been. When I said that the MPLS WG had never discussed =E2= =80=9CLabel Stacking=E2=80=9D, well of course we have the label stack, but = we had never discussed, prior to Segment Routing, using the label stack as = a method to do source routing via only popping labels, with no label swappi= ng along the path.

Cheers,
Andy

=

On Mo= n, May 7, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
The following = URL is a diff between=C2=A0draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-04 and=C2=A0draft-far= rel-mpls-sfc-05, when section 6 was updated to change Segment Routing to = =E2=80=9CLabel Stacking=E2=80=9D. (Note that the only changes from draft-fa= rrel-mpls-sfc-05 to=C2=A0draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-00 were the name and date chan= ge).


If you examine the changes to section 6, it=E2=80=99s pretty clear (a= t least to me) that the changes are really just cosmetic in nature, such as= removing a reference to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing and changin= g a few terms here and there.=C2=A0

That, combined= with the fact that the MPLS WG had never discussed =E2=80=9CLabel Stacking= =E2=80=9D in a draft (never mind an RFC) prior to the introduction of Segme= nt Routing leaves me to conclude that section 6 really does need to be remo= ved in order to comply with the WG concerns about -04 and earlier revisions= of draft-farrel.

Thanks,
Andy


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The first concerned whether it would really be possible to use the "MPLS-encoded logical NSH" as a transition technology utilising existing MPLS devices. The second was to give some use-case explanation for a label stack approach that is distinctly not Segment Routing. On April 4th I offered to draft some text on these topics and since no one demurred I have (finally) done so and discussed it with my co-authors. Here are the proposed changes. Cheers, Adrian === Section 1, near the end ADD Section 4 provides a short overview of several use case scenarios that help to explain the relationship between the MPLS label operations (swapping, popping, stacking) and the MPLS encoding of the logical NSH described in this document). END --- New Section 4 ADD 4. Use Case Scenarios There are five scenarios that can be considered for the use of an MPLS encoding in support of SFC. These are set out in the following sub-sections. 4.1. Label Swapping for Logical NSH The primary use case for SFC is described in [RFC7665] and delivered using the NSH which, as described in [RFC8300], uses an encapsulation that is modified at each SFC hop along the chain to indicate the next hop. The label swapping use case scenario effectively replaces the NSH with an MPLS encapsulation as described in Section 6. The MPLS labels encode the same information as the NSH to form a logical NSH. The labels are modified (swapped per [RFC3031]) at each SFC hop along the chain to indicate the next hop. The processing and forwarding state for a chain (i.e., the actions to take on a received label) are programmed in to the network using a control plane or management plane. 4.2. Hierarchical Encapsulation [I-D.ietf-sfc-hierarchical] describes an architecture for hierarchical encapsulation using the NSH. It facilitates partitioning of SFC domains for administrative reasons, and allows concatenation of service function chains under the control of a service classifier. The same function can be achieved in an MPLS network using an MPLS encoding of the logical NSH, and label stacking as defined in [RFC3031] and described in Section 7. In this model, swapping is used per Section 4.1 to navigate one chain, and when the end of the chain is reached, the final label is popped revealing the label for another chain. Thus, the primary mode is swapping, but stacking is used to enable the ingress classifier to control concatenation of service function chains. 4.3. Fine Control of Service Function Instances It may be that a service function chain (as described in Section 4.1 allows some leeway in the choice of service function instances along the chain. However, it may be that a service classifier wishes to constrain the choice and this can be achieved using chain concatenation so that the first chain ends at the point of choice, the next label in the stack indicates the specific service function instance to be executed, and the next label in the stack starts a new chain. Thus, a mixture of label swapping and stacking is used. 4.4. Micro Chains and Label Stacking The scenario in Section 4.2 may be extended to its logical extreme by making each concatenated chain as short as it can be: one service function. Each label in the stack indicates the next service function to be executed, and the network is programmed through the control plane or management plane to know how to route to the next (i.e., first) hop in each chain just as it would be to support the scenarios in Section 4.1 and Section 4.2. 4.5. SFC and Segment Routing Segment Routing (SR) in an MPLS network (known as MPLS-SR) uses a stack of MPLS labels to encode information about the path and network functions that a packet should traverse. MPLS-SR is achieved by applying control plane and management plane techniques to program the MPLS forwarding plane, and by imposing labels on packets at the entrance to the MPLS-SR network. The application of SR to SFC was considered in early versions of the SR architecture [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing] and the MPLS-SR specification [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls], but has since been moved out of those documents. An implementation proposal for achieving SFC using MPLS-SR can be found in [I-D.xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining] and is not discussed further in this document. END --- Section 13 (was 12) new first paragraph ADD This section reverts to the simplified descriptions of networks that rely wholly on label swapping or label stacking. As described in Section 4, actual deployment scenarios may depend on the use of both mechanisms and utilize a mixed mode as described in Section 8. END --- New Section 14 ADD 14. Implementation Notes It is not the job of an IETF specification to describe the internals of an implementation except where that directly impacts upon the bits on the wire that change the likelihood of interoperability, or where the availability of configuration or security options directly affect the utility of an implementation. However, in view of the objective of this document to acknowledge that there may be a need for an interim deployment of SFC functionality in brownfield MPLS networks, this section provides some observations about how an SFF might utilize MPLS features that are available in existing routers. This section is not intended to be definitive or technically complete, but is indicative. Consider the mechanism used to indicate to which Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) an incoming MPLS packet should be routed in a Layer 3 Virtual Private Network (L3VPN) [RFC4364]. In this case, the top MPLS label is an indicator of the VRF that is to be used to route the payload. A similar approach can be taken with the label swapping SFC technique described in Section 6 such that the SFC Context Label identifies a routing table specific to the SFP. The SF Label can be looked up in the context of this routing table to determine to which SF to direct the packet, and how to forward it to the next SFF. Advanced features (such as metadata) are not inspected by SFFs. The packets are passed to SFIs that are MPLS-SFC-aware or to SFC proxies, and those components are responsible for handling all metadata issues. Of course, an actual implementation might make considerable optimizations on this approach, but this section should provide hints about how MPLS-based SFC might be achieved with relatively small modifications to deployed MPLS devices. END From nobody Tue May 8 06:14:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF29212E86A for ; Tue, 8 May 2018 06:14:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9jlEAWz00AsZ for ; Tue, 8 May 2018 06:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93BFD12E865 for ; Tue, 8 May 2018 06:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49605269190; Tue, 8 May 2018 06:14:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1525785247; bh=YIJYie6WNlOGr81T16y+DJJdV4fj1wRt8ISVOiG3Bt8=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=cq3hzETaoF32o1thxSXjWlCZH1RvYPbJHhDisCZ0sPEwKl3IPCF92D9z/gdgdGXRK 7r1YQYssAQ4ru6iMMYK9uVUJPokX8cw1KUXci2ObmTA7kDLZZJFJyrkzKFMTvmFfT6 +64a5QWCpmO7r2nQ58G8yxwFb2H56djgEo0HRTdw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at maila2.tigertech.net Received: from Joels-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [50.225.209.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9431B2695C2; Tue, 8 May 2018 06:14:06 -0700 (PDT) To: adrian@olddog.co.uk, mpls@ietf.org References: <00c601d3e6cd$8942b1d0$9bc81570$@olddog.co.uk> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <7f5dded7-1489-53bc-64d3-a76ba3efd8ef@joelhalpern.com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 09:14:05 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00c601d3e6cd$8942b1d0$9bc81570$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] Proposed text changes to draft-ietf-mpls-sfc - proposed 4.1 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 13:14:09 -0000 The opening sentence you have proposed for section 4.1 is technically accurate, but seems misleading. One of the benefits of NSH is that it has a path identifier that SFF do not change, while using an explicit position indicator. I suggest a small text change below. Thank you, Joel On 5/8/18 9:07 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: ... > > 4.1. Label Swapping for Logical NSH > > The primary use case for SFC is described in [RFC7665] and delivered > using the NSH which, as described in [RFC8300], uses an encapsulation > that is modified at each SFC hop along the chain to indicate the next > hop. s/that is modified at each SFC hop/with a position indicator that is modified at each SFC hod/ ... 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Halpern'" Cc: References: <00c601d3e6cd$8942b1d0$9bc81570$@olddog.co.uk> <7f5dded7-1489-53bc-64d3-a76ba3efd8ef@joelhalpern.com> In-Reply-To: <7f5dded7-1489-53bc-64d3-a76ba3efd8ef@joelhalpern.com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 15:40:14 +0100 Message-ID: <00e501d3e6da$7a789c20$6f69d460$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGT/UVEewDaGez1ZMarQ6dRizqOYgGRlzA8pJkqXKA= Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 87.114.44.73 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-23832.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--16.504-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--16.504-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-23832.000 X-TMASE-Result: 10--16.504400-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 7ySqCuYCpfinykMun0J1wvHkpkyUphL9ktxvVMaWMbC1eX0jEQ9c6lHe 46ufce0d29PfXyjwtNf64hiArZWsep96I2eBiiaHA9lly13c/gF+Mk6ACsw4Jt9MUoGRBUKyHOW W/Rp/isrhfzyvfuuoteNlgvH35nu1TX7PJ/OU3vKDGx/OQ1GV8rHlqZYrZqdI+gtHj7OwNO2FR9 Hau8GO7hTsay5USVouqDiA87HoRqgx1RkbjH5+vHugkvaH3INcfHGj/y9OIKc= X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] Proposed text changes to draft-ietf-mpls-sfc - proposed 4.1 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 14:40:36 -0000 Thanks Joel, Yes, that is a good refinement. A > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel M. Halpern [mailto:jmh@joelhalpern.com] > Sent: 08 May 2018 14:14 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; mpls@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [mpls] Proposed text changes to draft-ietf-mpls-sfc - proposed 4.1 > > The opening sentence you have proposed for section 4.1 is technically > accurate, but seems misleading. One of the benefits of NSH is that it > has a path identifier that SFF do not change, while using an explicit > position indicator. I suggest a small text change below. > > Thank you, > Joel > > On 5/8/18 9:07 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > ... > > > > 4.1. Label Swapping for Logical NSH > > > > The primary use case for SFC is described in [RFC7665] and delivered > > using the NSH which, as described in [RFC8300], uses an encapsulation > > that is modified at each SFC hop along the chain to indicate the next > > hop. > > s/that is modified at each SFC hop/with a position indicator that is > modified at each SFC hod/ > > ... 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--000000000000552b96056bf47598-- From nobody Sun May 13 03:04:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64B71242F5; Sun, 13 May 2018 03:04:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ngVEDjr2v5RZ; Sun, 13 May 2018 03:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C29812D889; Sun, 13 May 2018 03:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (c83-250-142-104.bredband.comhem.se [83.250.142.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B001918013B2; Sun, 13 May 2018 12:03:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Loa Andersson To: "mpls@ietf.org" Cc: "spring@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 12:03:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] Closed: should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 10:04:02 -0000 Working Group, This poll has been closed. We have no objections to publishing draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label as a RFC on the standards track. We also seem to have some support for adding information that an entropy label is not necessarily the only method handling ECMP. I will forward this to Deborah (AD responsible for this document). /Loa On 2018-05-02 09:44, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Tue May 15 01:38:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211F112D77A; Tue, 15 May 2018 01:38:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EqImVd1PVq1h; Tue, 15 May 2018 01:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23079120721; Tue, 15 May 2018 01:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (c83-250-142-104.bredband.comhem.se [83.250.142.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 602D81801510; Tue, 15 May 2018 10:38:28 +0200 (CEST) To: "Andrew G. Malis" , mpls@ietf.org, sfc@ietf.org References: From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 10:38:25 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] =?utf-8?q?Segment_Routing_vs=2E_=E2=80=9CLabel_Stacking?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9D_in_draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-00?= X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 08:38:34 -0000 >chair-hat off> Andy, Inlime please. On 2018-05-07 13:15, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > I just realized that I was a bit more terse in my email than I should > have been. When I said that the MPLS WG had never discussed “Label > Stacking”, well of course we have the label stack, but we had never > discussed, prior to Segment Routing, using the label stack as a method > to do source routing via only popping labels, with no label swapping > along the path. I think that this would be an argument if POP'n'go == SR but an entirely different case if POP'n'go > SR I think we can see from the uses case proposed by the authors of draft-ietf-mpls-sfc there are a lot of additional things for POP'n'go, and that it motivates its place in an MPLS wg draft. Please send comments on Adrian mail with proposed changes. /Loa > > Cheers, > Andy > > > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Andrew G. Malis > wrote: > > The following URL is a diff between draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-04 > and draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-05, when section 6 was updated to change > Segment Routing to “Label Stacking”. (Note that the only changes > from draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-05 to draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-00 were the > name and date change). > > https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-farrel-mpls-sfc-05.txt > > > If you examine the changes to section 6, it’s pretty clear (at least > to me) that the changes are really just cosmetic in nature, such as > removing a reference to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing and > changing a few terms here and there. > > That, combined with the fact that the MPLS WG had never discussed > “Label Stacking” in a draft (never mind an RFC) prior to the > introduction of Segment Routing leaves me to conclude that section 6 > really does need to be removed in order to comply with the WG > concerns about -04 and earlier revisions of draft-farrel. > > Thanks, > Andy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Tue May 15 02:42:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D9512D7F9; Tue, 15 May 2018 02:42:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152637733247.3927.14531566162419927588@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 02:42:12 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 09:42:12 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG of the IETF. Title : An MPLS-Based Forwarding Plane for Service Function Chaining Authors : Adrian Farrel Stewart Bryant John Drake Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-01.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2018-05-15 Abstract: Service Function Chaining (SFC) is the process of directing packets through a network so that they can be acted on by an ordered set of abstract service functions before being delivered to the intended destination. An architecture for SFC is defined in RFC7665. The Network Service Header (NSH) can be inserted into packets to steer them along a specific path to realize a Service Function Chain. Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) is a widely deployed forwarding technology that uses labels placed in a packet in a label stack to identify the forwarding actions to be taken at each hop through a network. Actions may include swapping or popping the labels as well, as using the labels to determine the next hop for forwarding the packet. Labels may also be used to establish the context under which the packet is forwarded. This document describes how Service Function Chaining can be achieved in an MPLS network by means of a logical representation of the NSH in an MPLS label stack. It does not deprecate or replace the NSH, but acknowledges that there may be a need for an interim deployment of SFC functionality in brownfield networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-sfc/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue May 15 02:56:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C495012D7F9 for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 02:55:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8vMGyCLZrAnk for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 02:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta7.iomartmail.com (mta7.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.157]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 230CA129C53 for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 02:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (vs3.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.124]) by mta7.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w4F9tqVo027971 for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 10:55:53 +0100 Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214E92203A for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 10:55:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.248]) by vs3.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 163EE22046 for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 10:55:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from 950129200 (154.154.51.84.dyn.plus.net [84.51.154.154] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w4F9tokr010567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 10:55:51 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: <152637733247.3927.14531566162419927588@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <152637733247.3927.14531566162419927588@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 10:55:47 +0100 Message-ID: <032e01d3ec32$e6af1470$b40d3d50$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQDr0iQJEcgsMsY2Jh2ZD7gLCCI0qKYAvlnw Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 84.51.154.154 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-23844.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--11.642-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--11.642-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-23844.006 X-TMASE-Result: 10--11.642200-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: HXSqh3WYKfv+rCF+A3NH6TPDkSOzeDWWbv16+gil4jedI/DikZ1UPJOS w8t5HglHYzxCiiatIjybqzDH9G7eTF7Z3uKKQ04gsyNb+yeIRAorHB0/QQYeuY5t/XRqktxJwua niM9QXy256cTx4sb1VP7maebPaY+sSqSDOjH8JBoIs18ZTh19+BkqnRJng/51Blt4RZwvTdVkHg rz3ZXQBkCHWKbLzBUHKPxiJXXDy6EM8jMXjBF+sDl/1fD/GopdyJ1gFgOMhOm2s0ar5ZAS9Ku6x VHLhqfx33fj+sMArfOEbaqKQSlAZd9GjZ0+3ELGJDCbavd7l2bjLuzcttUOP+sbxjUMuqfffX27 JVk0x0U= X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 09:55:59 -0000 WG, A week ago I proposed some changes to this document and, hearing no objections, the authors have made -01 and I have posted it. Of course, it's a WG document so discussion of the content can continue and changes can be made. We hope that the new version will provide some clarity about the use cases for label-stacking/popping and show how those are not specific to Segment Routing. Having a discussion about the technical content of the document would be most welcome. 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Ym9keT4NCjwvaHRtbD4NCg== --_000_CY1PR0201MB1436F9BFD9BA41F921B2C4C084950CY1PR0201MB1436_-- From nobody Tue May 22 11:42:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A125412E8E7; Tue, 22 May 2018 11:42:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: Cc: mpls@ietf.org, ipr-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152701452764.31222.5886834571953695183@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 11:42:07 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] IPR Disclosure Cisco's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 18:42:21 -0000 Dear Nobo Akiya, George Swallow, Stephane Litkowski, Bruno Decraene, John Drake, Mach Chen: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping/Trace Multipath Support for Link Aggregation Group (LAG) Interfaces" (draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3192/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Cisco's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Wed May 23 03:04:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C366612DA23; Wed, 23 May 2018 03:04:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MwnwSIVUjpgI; Wed, 23 May 2018 03:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) 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<152707898633.26880.2518373012957543942@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 05:36:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-11.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 12:36:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG of the IETF. Title : Entropy label for SPRING tunnels Authors : Sriganesh Kini Kireeti Kompella Siva Sivabalan Stephane Litkowski Rob Shakir Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-11.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2018-05-23 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) leverages the source routing paradigm. A node steers a packet through an ordered list of instructions, called segments. Segment Routing can be applied to the Multi Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) data plane. Entropy label (EL) is a technique used in MPLS to improve load-balancing. This document examines and describes how ELs are to be applied to Segment Routing MPLS. 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Malis" Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 15:52:13 -0400 Message-ID: To: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc@ietf.org Cc: mpls@ietf.org, sfc@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000041e558056ce4e005" Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] Comments on draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-01 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 19:52:40 -0000 --00000000000041e558056ce4e005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adrian et al, I just had a chance to review draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-01 in detail, and have a few comments. First of all, thanks for including the section 4.5 text. That said, I=E2=80=99m having a hard time distinguishing between using MPLS= -SR for SFC and the =E2=80=9Cmicro chains=E2=80=9D discussed in section 4.4. I agre= e that the =E2=80=9Cmicro chains" are a logical extreme of section 4.2, but that said,= section 4.2 does include swapping as well as popping, while section 4.4 is pure popping. It would be greatly appreciated if you could add text that differentiates =E2=80=9Cmicro chains=E2=80=9D from MPLS-SR, otherwise it=E2= =80=99s just a different name for the same functionality. If there is actually is no difference, then section 4.4 should be removed. I also have a comment in section 12. The text currently says "It should be noted that the MPLS encoding is slightly less functional than the direct use of the NSH.=E2=80=9D In this case, =E2=80=9Cslightly=E2=80=9D is a judg= ement for the reader to make, and I see a huge loss of functionality because there=E2=80=99s no sup= port for per-packet metadata. Please remove the word =E2=80=9Cslightly=E2=80=9D in t= his text. Without the word =E2=80=9Cslightly=E2=80=9D, the text changes from an opini= on to a fact. 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Adrian et al,

I just had a chance to re= view draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-01 in detail, and have a few comments.
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First of all, thanks for including the section 4.5 text.

That said, I=E2=80=99m having a hard time distinguishi= ng between using MPLS-SR for SFC and the =E2=80=9Cmicro chains=E2=80=9D dis= cussed in section 4.4. I agree that the =E2=80=9Cmicro chains" are a l= ogical extreme of section 4.2, but that said, section 4.2 does include swap= ping as well as popping, while section 4.4 is pure popping. It would be gre= atly appreciated if you could add text that differentiates =E2=80=9Cmicro c= hains=E2=80=9D from MPLS-SR, otherwise it=E2=80=99s just a different name f= or the same functionality. If there is actually is no difference, then sect= ion 4.4 should be removed.

I also have a comment i= n section 12. The text currently says "It should be noted that the MPL= S encoding is slightly less functional than the direct use of the NSH.=E2= =80=9D In this case, =E2=80=9Cslightly=E2=80=9D is a judgement for the read= er to make, and I see a huge loss of functionality because there=E2=80=99s = no support for per-packet metadata. Please remove the word =E2=80=9Cslightl= y=E2=80=9D in this text. Without the word =E2=80=9Cslightly=E2=80=9D, the t= ext changes from an opinion to a fact.

Thanks,
Andy

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Thu, 24 May 2018 06:13:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:adf:9976:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 24 May 2018 06:13:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: George Swallow Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 09:13:33 -0400 Message-ID: To: Mach Chen Cc: Jonathan Hardwick , "draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "rtg-dir@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001beb9c056cf36b17" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] Routing directorate review of draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath-03 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 13:13:39 -0000 --0000000000001beb9c056cf36b17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mach - >> >> Top of page 13: >> The initiator LSR sends two MPLS echo request messages to traverse >> the two LAG members at TTL=3D1: >> =E2=80=9CTTL=3D1=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9CTTL=3Dn=E2=80=9D. > >Good catch, fixed. At this point in the procedure you have already reached the node at ttl=3Dn= . You are now probing a LAG that extends to the node at TTL=3Dn+1. S0 the text should be "TTL=3Dn+1". Thanks, George On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:03 AM, Mach Chen wrote: > Hi Jon, > > Thanks for the detailed review and useful comments! > > Please see some responses inline... > > > From: Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 3:39 AM > > To: draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; > mpls- > > chairs@ietf.org > > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org > > Subject: Routing directorate review of draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag- > multipath-03 > > > > Hello > > > > I have been selected to do a routing directorate =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80= =9D review of this > draft. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath= / > > > > The routing directorate will, on request from the working group chair, > perform > > an =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D review of a draft before it is submitted for= publication to > the > > IESG. The early review can be performed at any time during the draft= =E2=80=99s > > lifetime as a working group document. The purpose of the early review > > depends on the stage that the document has reached. As this document i= s > close > > to working group last call, my focus for the review was to determine > whether > > the document is ready to be published. Please consider my comments alo= ng > > with the other working group last call comments. > > > > For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > > > Best regards > > Jon > > > > > > Document: draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath-03.txt > > Reviewer: Jonathan Hardwick > > Review Date: 21 May 2018 > > Intended Status: Standards Track > > > > Summary > > This document looks ready for working group last call. I have a few > minor > > issues that I am sure can be resolved during the last call. > > > > > > Section 2 > > First paragraph: the reference to section 3.3 of [RFC8029] looks wrong. > Should > > it be a reference to section 4? > > It was intended to refer to Section 3.3 RFC4079 (Downstream Mapping). > > How about the following text: > "Reader is expected to be familiar with mechanics of Downstream Mapping > described in Section 3.3 of RFC8029 and Downstream Detailed Mapping TLV > (DDMAP) described in Section 3.4 of RFC8029." > > > > > > Section 3 > > =E2=80=9CWhen the responder LSR receives an MPLS echo reply message=E2= =80=9D <- you mean > > =E2=80=9CMPLS echo request message=E2=80=9D. > > Yes. > > > > > Section 5.1 > > This is fine, but I found it a bit cumbersome to read. How about this > rewording? > > NEW > > If the downstream LSR does not return Remote Interface Index sub-TLVs > in > > the DDMAP, then the initiator LSR validates LAG member link traversal > by > > traversing all available LAG member links and then using the procedur= e > > described > > below. This section provides the mechanism for the initiator LSR to > obtain > > additional information from the downstream LSRs and describes the > additional > > logic in the initiator LSR to validate the L2 ECMP traversal. > > END > > This looks good to me, thanks for the new text! > > > > > Section 5.1.3 > > For my interest, why are you using =E2=80=9Centropy=E2=80=9D here? It = sounds like you > mean > > =E2=80=9Cprobability=E2=80=9D, but I might have misunderstood your mean= ing. > > The "entropy" is used to select specific LAG member link, it has the > similar concept as "entropy label". > > > > > Top of page 13: > > The initiator LSR sends two MPLS echo request messages to traverse > > the two LAG members at TTL=3D1: > > =E2=80=9CTTL=3D1=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9CTTL=3Dn=E2=80=9D. > > Good catch, fixed. > > > > > Section 6 > > Typo =E2=80=9Cin the in the=E2=80=9D > > Fixed. > > > > > Section 8 and 9 > > This draft only discusses using the new Local & Remote Interface Index > Sub- > > TLVs in the context of a DDMAP for a LAG interface, so I was surprised > to read > > that it is permissible to set M=3D0 in these TLVs. You should describe > how the > > TLV is used in that case, if you are going to allow it. > > Does the M flag need to be set consistently in all Local & Remote > Interface > > Index Sub-TLVs in a given DDMAP TLV? > > In fact, isn=E2=80=99t the M flag redundant, given that the enclosing D= DMAP has > the > > "LAG Description Indicator flag"? > > Indeed, seems redundant, I will do double check on it. > > > > > Section 10 > > Why do you need the Sub-TLV length field? It can be inferred from the > TLV > > length and the address type. > > Indeed, and I personally agree, I will talk to the co-authors, if there i= s > no further reasons, will remove the sub-TLV length field. > > > Section 10.1.1 =E2=80=93 if the LSR received no labels (e.g. PHP case) = then > should it omit > > this sub-TLV, or include an empty sub-TLV? > > The sub-TLV is derived from Label Stack Sub-TLV defined in 8029, it has > the same usage as Label Stack Sub-TLV. So, for that case, the sub-TLV > should be included and an Implicit Null label returned. > > > > > Other nits > > Throughout, English grammar needs to be fine-tuned e.g. there are > definite > > and indefinite articles missing. However, I found the document perfect= ly > > readable, so perhaps this can be left for the RFC editor. > > Sure, thanks. > > Best regards, > Mach > --0000000000001beb9c056cf36b17 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mach -

>>
>> Top of page 13:
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The initiator LSR sends two MPLS echo request message= s to traverse
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the two LAG members at TTL=3D1:
>> =E2=80=9CTTL=3D1=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9CTTL=3Dn=E2=80=9D.
>
>Good catch, fixed.

At this point in the procedure you hav= e already reached the node at ttl=3Dn.=C2=A0 You are now probing a LAG that= extends to the node at TTL=3Dn+1.=C2=A0

S0 the text should b= e "TTL=3Dn+1".

Thanks,

George
=

On Wed, May 23, 2= 018 at 6:03 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi Jon,

Thanks for the detailed review and useful comments!

Please see some responses inline...

> From: Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 3:39 AM
> To: draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; mpls-
> chairs@ietf.org
> Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org
> Subject: Routing directorate review of draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath-03
>
> Hello
>
> I have been selected to do a routing directorate =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80= =9D review of this draft.
> https://datatracker.iet= f.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath/
>
> The routing directorate will, on request from the working group chair,= perform
> an =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D review of a draft before it is submitted fo= r publication to the
> IESG.=C2=A0 The early review can be performed at any time during the d= raft=E2=80=99s
> lifetime as a working group document.=C2=A0 The purpose of the early r= eview
> depends on the stage that the document has reached.=C2=A0 As this docu= ment is close
> to working group last call, my focus for the review was to determine w= hether
> the document is ready to be published.=C2=A0 Please consider my commen= ts along
> with the other working group last call comments.
>
> For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see
> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/= trac/wiki/RtgDir
>
> Best regards
> Jon
>
>
> Document: draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath-03.txt
> Reviewer: Jonathan Hardwick
> Review Date: 21 May 2018
> Intended Status: Standards Track
>
> Summary
> This document looks ready for working group last call.=C2=A0 I have a = few minor
> issues that I am sure can be resolved during the last call.
>
>
> Section 2
> First paragraph: the reference to section 3.3 of [RFC8029] looks wrong= .=C2=A0 Should
> it be a reference to section 4?

It was intended to refer to Section 3.3 RFC4079 (Downstream Map= ping).

How about the following text:
"Reader is expected to be familiar with mechanics of Downstream Mappin= g described in Section 3.3 of RFC8029 and Downstream Detailed Mapping TLV (= DDMAP) described in Section 3.4 of RFC8029."


>
> Section 3
> =E2=80=9CWhen the responder LSR receives an MPLS echo reply message=E2= =80=9D <- you mean
> =E2=80=9CMPLS echo request message=E2=80=9D.

Yes.

>
> Section 5.1
> This is fine, but I found it a bit cumbersome to read.=C2=A0 How about= this rewording?
> NEW
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0If the downstream LSR does not return Remote Interface Ind= ex sub-TLVs in
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0the DDMAP, then the initiator LSR validates LAG member lin= k traversal by
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0traversing all available LAG member links and then using t= he procedure
> described
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0below.=C2=A0 This section provides the mechanism for the i= nitiator LSR to obtain
> additional information from the downstream LSRs and describes the addi= tional
> logic in the initiator LSR to validate the L2 ECMP traversal.
> END

This looks good to me, thanks for the new text!

>
> Section 5.1.3
> For my interest, why are you using =E2=80=9Centropy=E2=80=9D here?=C2= =A0 It sounds like you mean
> =E2=80=9Cprobability=E2=80=9D, but I might have misunderstood your mea= ning.

The "entropy" is used to select specific LAG member link, = it has the similar concept as "entropy label".

>
> Top of page 13:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The initiator LSR sends two MPLS echo request messages to= traverse
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the two LAG members at TTL=3D1:
> =E2=80=9CTTL=3D1=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9CTTL=3Dn=E2=80=9D.

Good catch, fixed.

>
> Section 6
> Typo =E2=80=9Cin the in the=E2=80=9D

Fixed.

>
> Section 8 and 9
> This draft only discusses using the new Local & Remote Interface I= ndex Sub-
> TLVs in the context of a DDMAP for a LAG interface, so I was surprised= to read
> that it is permissible to set M=3D0 in these TLVs.=C2=A0 You should de= scribe how the
> TLV is used in that case, if you are going to allow it.
> Does the M flag need to be set consistently in all Local & Remote = Interface
> Index Sub-TLVs=C2=A0 in a given DDMAP TLV?
> In fact, isn=E2=80=99t the M flag redundant, given that the enclosing = DDMAP has the
> "LAG Description Indicator flag"?

Indeed, seems redundant, I will do double check on it.

>
> Section 10
> Why do you need the Sub-TLV length field?=C2=A0 It can be inferred fro= m the TLV
> length and the address type.

Indeed, and I personally agree, I will talk to the co-authors, if th= ere is no further reasons, will remove the sub-TLV length field.

> Section 10.1.1 =E2=80=93 if the LSR received no labels (e.g. PHP case)= then should it omit
> this sub-TLV, or include an empty sub-TLV?

The sub-TLV is derived from Label Stack Sub-TLV defined in 8029, it = has the same usage as Label Stack Sub-TLV. So, for that case, the sub-TLV s= hould be included and an Implicit Null label returned.

>
> Other nits
> Throughout, English grammar needs to be fine-tuned e.g. there are defi= nite
> and indefinite articles missing.=C2=A0 However, I found the document p= erfectly
> readable, so perhaps this can be left for the RFC editor.

Sure, thanks.

Best regards,
Mach

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Hi MPLS WG, MP= LS chairs,

 

The SPRING WG = is starting the working group last call on draft-ietf-spring-segment-routin= g-mpls-13.

 

This document = instantiates the generic segment routing architecture on the MPLS data plan= e.

This document = is expected to be in line with the MPLS architecture and to not change the = MPLS data plane.

 

You may want t= o review it. Please send your comments to the _SPRING_ mailing list.=

 

Thank you,

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Hello Working Group,
    
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Thank you,
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152771281338.27728.2965581624897560718.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 13:40:13 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] The MPLS WG has placed draft-esale-mpls-ldp-rmr-extensions in state "Candidate for WG Adoption" X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 20:40:14 -0000 The MPLS WG has placed draft-esale-mpls-ldp-rmr-extensions in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Loa Andersson) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-esale-mpls-ldp-rmr-extensions/