From nobody Tue Jan 1 19:31:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C615124BAA; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 19:31:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ijSLJK1i_KgM; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 19:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88DAF126C7E; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 19:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (unknown [119.94.172.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E4E091801591; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 04:31:37 +0100 (CET) From: Loa Andersson To: "mpls@ietf.org" Cc: "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" References: <7d22ce5e-e21e-c3d9-f93f-e8de4d5cd89c@pi.nu> Message-ID: <33b05f4d-10f1-cd7c-1937-2a2b71440083@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 11:31:29 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7d22ce5e-e21e-c3d9-f93f-e8de4d5cd89c@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 03:31:44 -0000 Working Group, Andy Malis pointed out to me that there is a copy/paste error in the wglc mail. 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Malis" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 07:16:49 -0500 Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000077e630057e789f22" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 12:17:03 -0000 --00000000000077e630057e789f22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Loa, As a co-author, my opinion is that the draft is ready for publication. Thanks, Andy On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 10:31 PM Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > Andy Malis pointed out to me that there is a copy/paste error in > the wglc mail. > > All the authors have stated on the working group mailing list that > they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to this document. > There is no exception. > > /Loa > > > On 2018-12-18 18:09, Loa Andersson wrote: > > Working Group, > > > > This is to initiate a two week working group last call on > > draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation. > > > > Well, "two weeks" is the phrase we normally use, this time the two > > weeks of working days are interrupted by holidays, therefor the > > wglc is a bit longer. > > > > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). > > > > There are no IPR disclosures against draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation. > > > > All the authors (with one exception) have stated on the working group > > mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to > > this document. > > > > This working group last call ends January 8, 2019. > > > > > > /Loa > > mpls wg co-chair > > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --00000000000077e630057e789f22 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loa,

As a co-author, my opinion is that= the draft is ready for publication.

Thanks,
=
Andy


On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 10:31 PM Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group,

Andy Malis pointed out to me that there is a copy/paste error in
the wglc mail.

All the authors have stated on the working group mailing list that
they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to this document.
There is no exception.

/Loa


On 2018-12-18 18:09, Loa Andersson wrote:
> Working Group,
>
> This is to initiate a two week working group last call on
> draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation.
>
> Well, "two weeks" is the phrase we normally use, this time t= he two
> weeks of working days are interrupted by holidays, therefor the
> wglc is a bit longer.
>
> Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).
>
> There are no IPR disclosures against draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation= .
>
> All the authors (with one exception) have stated on the working group<= br> > mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to=
> this document.
>
> This working group last call ends January 8, 2019.
>
>
> /Loa
> mpls wg co-chair

--


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Senior MPLS Expert
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--00000000000077e630057e789f22-- From nobody Wed Jan 2 06:39:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AF01277D2; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 06:39:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mpls@ietf.org Message-ID: <154643994462.32559.2087241731549871771@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 06:39:04 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-egress-protection-framework-04.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 14:39:05 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG of the IETF. Title : MPLS Egress Protection Framework Authors : Yimin Shen Minto Jeyananth Bruno Decraene Hannes Gredler Carsten Michel Huaimo Chen Yuanlong Jiang Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-egress-protection-framework-04.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2019-01-02 Abstract: This document specifies a fast reroute framework for protecting IP/ MPLS services and MPLS transport tunnels against egress node and egress link failures. In this framework, the penultimate-hop router of an MPLS tunnel acts as the point of local repair (PLR) for an egress node failure, and the egress router of the MPLS tunnel acts as the PLR for an egress link failure. Each of them pre-establishes a bypass tunnel to a protector. Upon an egress node or link failure, the corresponding PLR performs local failure detection and local repair, by rerouting packets over the corresponding bypass tunnel. The protector in turn performs context label switching or context IP forwarding to send the packets to the ultimate service destination(s). This mechanism can be used to reduce traffic loss before global repair reacts to the failure and control plane protocols converge on the topology changes due to the failure. The framework is applicable to all types of IP/MPLS services and MPLS tunnels. Under the framework, service protocol extensions may be further specified to support service label distribution from an egress router to a protector. 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List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 07:33:43 -0000 Hi, I request a clarification with regard to RFC 7552 (Updates to LDP for IPv6). This is regarding how to determine active/passive roles in some scenarios. Consider the following scenario (reproduced from RFC 7552): IPv4 R1=================R2 IPv6 Figure 2: LSRs Connected via Two Single-Stack Interfaces In this case, R1 and R2 are dual-stack LSRs. Hence they intend to exchange both IPv4 and IPv6 FEC label mappings. Note that in the above setup, R1 and R2 are connected via two single-stack interfaces. The transport-connection-preference is set to ipv4. The IPv6 link is UP and R1 and R2 formed adjacency. The Dual-Stack capability is set as IPv4. For some reason, the IPv4 adjacency is not getting established. In this scenario, what do R1 and R2 do? Do they establish IPv6 based TCP session? The reason I am asking is if they intend to do that how do they determine which LSR will become active. The RFC says: "2. If the Dual-Stack capability TLV is present and the remote preference matches the local preference, then: a) If TR=0100 (LDPoIPv4), then determine the active/passive roles for the TCP connection using an IPv4 transport address as defined in Section 2.5.2 of RFC 5036. b) If TR=0110 (LDPoIPv6), then determine the active/passive roles for the TCP connection by using an IPv6 transport address as defined in Section 2.5.2 of RFC 5036." Based on this criteria, it is not possible to determine active/passive because IPv4 adjacency was not formed. How do R1 and R2 proceed further? It appears the standard is not providing guidance, although the intention seems to be to establish an IPv6 based TCP session. Could you please let me know your comments? Thanks and regards, Ramakrishna DTV. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n11sm199497wrw.60.2019.01.03.06.27.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Jan 2019 06:27:11 -0800 (PST) To: Alexander Vainshtein , "draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org" Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , Shell Nakash , Jun Ye References: From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <36264762-7e7a-bd18-da0c-4db51185d426@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 14:27:10 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6A21211B6971F469FB621982" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] A question about draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 14:27:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6A21211B6971F469FB621982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 25/12/2018 11:45, Alexander Vainshtein wrote: > > Dear authors of draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework > , > > I have a question about use of Synonymous Flow Labels in the when > application labels are present. > > The relevant text in Section 4.1 of the draft says: > >    At the egress LSR the LSP label is popped (if present).  Then the SFL > >    is processed in exactly the same way as the corresponding application > >    label would have been processed. > > If the application label has been statically configured in the egress > LSR,  then, presumably, so would be each of the Synonymous labels. > Yes. > > However, if the application label has been dynamically allocated by > the egress LSR and advertised to ingress LSR using some control plane > mechanisms, then the synonymous labels would also have to be > dynamically allocated and advertised by the same control plane mechanisms. > Not necessarily. We had a proposal for a simple control plane that I propose to refresh: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control-02 The idea with this is that the application control protocol runs as normal and this protocol modifies the label for SFL purposes. There was a lot of interest in the WG at the time for modifying each and every control protocol, but there is not much interest in writing the drafts needed to do it. > The draft in question is a framework draft and does not discuss any > control plane issues (at least I have not found any mention of such > issues in the text). > > I wonder if any work on control plane mechanisms for advertisement of > synonymous labels is going on or planned. ( A quick search in the > documents of the MPLS, BESS and PALS WGs did not find any relevant > documents). > Only the one I cite above. I would be more than willing to work with anyone (actively or just as a reviewer) that wanted to write the control plane drafts. > If the intended applicability of the SFL framework is just for > statically configured application labels, this should be explicitly > stated in the draft IMHO. > No, I think the intent was always that there would be a control plane if needed. Best regards Stewart > Your timely feedback would be highly appreciated. > > Regards, and lots of thanks in advance, > > Sasha > > Office: +972-39266302 > > Cell:      +972-549266302 > > Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains > information which is > CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. 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On 25/12/2018 11:45, Alexander Vainshtein wrote:

Dear authors of draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework,

I have a question about use of Synonymous Flow Labels in the when application labels are present.

The relevant text in Section 4.1 of the draft says:

 

   At the egress LSR the LSP label is popped (if present).  Then the SFL

   is processed in exactly the same way as the corresponding application

   label would have been processed.

 

If the application label has been statically configured in the egress LSR,  then, presumably, so would be each of the Synonymous labels.

Yes.

However, if the application label has been dynamically allocated by the egress LSR and advertised to ingress LSR using some control plane mechanisms, then the synonymous labels would also have to be dynamically allocated and advertised by the same control plane mechanisms.

Not necessarily.

We had a proposal for a simple control plane that I propose to refresh:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control-02

The idea with this is that the application control protocol runs as normal and this protocol modifies the label for SFL purposes.

There was a lot of interest in the WG at the time for modifying each and every control protocol, but there is not much interest in writing the drafts needed to do it.

 

The draft in question is a framework draft and does not discuss any control plane issues (at least I have not found any mention of such issues in the text).

I wonder if any work on control plane mechanisms for advertisement of synonymous labels is going on or planned. ( A quick search in the documents of the MPLS, BESS and PALS WGs did not find any relevant documents).

Only the one I cite above.

I would be more than willing to work with anyone (actively or just as a reviewer) that wanted to write the control plane drafts.

 

If the intended applicability of the SFL framework is just for statically configured application labels, this should be explicitly stated in the draft IMHO.

No, I think the intent was always that there would be a control plane if needed.

Best regards

Stewart


 

Your timely feedback would be highly appreciated.

 

Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,

Sasha

 

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I have completely missed the (now expired) SFL Control draft. It looks to = me as a reasonable approach for applying SFL to PWs (and PW-based services= ) and LSPs. But using it with BGP-based services, be it BGP/MPLS IP VPN or EVPN (inclu= ding EVPN-based VPWS services) would be non-trivial IMHO: - There are no (bi-directional) PWs in these services - There may be no end-to-end tunnel LSPs (e.g., if inter-AS Optio= n B is used) - Sending SFL Request messages with GAL and ACH following the VPN= application label is possible, but I do not see how the Reply can be sent= back - I do not think these messages can be piggy-backed on MP-BGP (ev= en if these days lots of things are). Did I miss something? Regards, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com From: Stewart Bryant Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 4:27 PM To: Alexander Vainshtein ; draft-ietf-mp= ls-sfl-framework@ietf.org Cc: mpls@ietf.org; Shell Nakash ; Jun Ye Subject: Re: A question about draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework On 25/12/2018 11:45, Alexander Vainshtein wrote: Dear authors of draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework, I have a question about use of Synonymous Flow Labels in the when applicat= ion labels are present. The relevant text in Section 4.1 of the draft says: At the egress LSR the LSP label is popped (if present). Then the SFL is processed in exactly the same way as the corresponding application label would have been processed. If the application label has been statically configured in the egress LSR,= then, presumably, so would be each of the Synonymous labels. Yes. However, if the application label has been dynamically allocated by the eg= ress LSR and advertised to ingress LSR using some control plane mechanisms= , then the synonymous labels would also have to be dynamically allocated a= nd advertised by the same control plane mechanisms. Not necessarily. We had a proposal for a simple control plane that I propose to refresh: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control-02 The idea with this is that the application control protocol runs as normal= and this protocol modifies the label for SFL purposes. There was a lot of interest in the WG at the time for modifying each and e= very control protocol, but there is not much interest in writing the draft= s needed to do it. The draft in question is a framework draft and does not discuss any contro= l plane issues (at least I have not found any mention of such issues in th= e text). I wonder if any work on control plane mechanisms for advertisement of syno= nymous labels is going on or planned. ( A quick search in the documents of= the MPLS, BESS and PALS WGs did not find any relevant documents). Only the one I cite above. I would be more than willing to work with anyone (actively or just as=20a = reviewer) that wanted to write the control plane drafts. If the intended applicability of the SFL framework is just for statically = configured application labels, this should be explicitly stated in the dra= ft IMHO. No, I think the intent was always that there would be a control plane if n= eeded. Best regards Stewart Your timely feedback would be highly appreciated. Regards, and lots of thanks in advance, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com __________________________________________________________________________= _ This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains inform= ation which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If you have rece= ived this transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phone or fax, and then = delete the original and all copies thereof. __________________________________________________________________________= _ __________________________________________________________________________= _ This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains inform= ation which is=20 CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If you have rece= ived this=20 transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phone or fax, and then = delete the original=20 and all copies thereof. __________________________________________________________________________= _ --_000_VI1PR03MB383925F57BF94AFF0A4A155F9D8D0VI1PR03MB3839eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =

Stewart,

Lots of thanks for a = very detailed response.

 

I have completely mis= sed the (now expired) SFL Control draft. It looks to me as a reasonable ap= proach for applying SFL to PWs (and PW-based services) and LSPs.

But using it with BGP= -based services, be it BGP/MPLS IP VPN or EVPN (including EVPN-based VPWS = services) would be non-trivial IMHO:

-=           There are no (bi-directional) PWs in these services=

-=           There may be no end-to-end tunnel LSPs (e.g., if inter-AS Opti= on B is used)

-=           Sending SFL Request messages with GAL and ACH following the VP= N application label is possible, but I do not see how the Reply can be sen= t back

-=           I do not think these messages can be piggy-backed on MP-BGP (e= ven if these days lots of things are).

Did I miss something?=

 

Regards,

Sasha

 

Office: +972-3926= 6302

Cell:  &nbs= p;   +972-549266302

Email:   Al= exander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com

 

From: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail= .com>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 4:27 PM
To: Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>; = draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org
Cc: mpls@ietf.org; Shell Nakash <Shell.Nakash@ecitele.com>; J= un Ye <Jun.Ye@ecitele.com>
Subject: Re: A question about draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework

 

 

On 25/12/2018 11:45, Alexander Vainshtein wrote:

Dear authors of draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework,

I have a question about use of Synonymous Flow Labe= ls in the when application labels are present.

The relevant text in Section 4.1 of the draft says:=

 

 &nb= sp; At the egress LSR the LSP label is popped (if present).  Then the= SFL

 &nb= sp; is processed in exactly the same way as the corresponding application<= /span>

 &nb= sp; label would have been processed.

 

If the application label has been statically config= ured in the egress LSR,  then, presumably, so would be each of the Sy= nonymous labels.

Yes.

However, if the application label has been dynamica= lly allocated by the egress LSR and advertised to ingress LSR using some c= ontrol plane mechanisms, then the synonymous labels would also have to be = dynamically allocated and advertised by the same control plane mechanisms.

Not necessarily.

We had a proposal for a simple control plane that I propose to refresh:=

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control-02

The idea with this is that the application control protocol runs as nor= mal and this protocol modifies the label for SFL purposes.

There was a lot of interest in the WG at the time for modifying each an= d every control protocol, but there is not much interest in writing the dr= afts needed to do it.

 

The draft in question is a framework draft and does= not discuss any control plane issues (at least I have not found any menti= on of such issues in the text).

I wonder if any work on control plane mechanisms fo= r advertisement of synonymous labels is going on or planned. ( A quick sea= rch in the documents of the MPLS, BESS and PALS WGs did not find any relev= ant documents).

Only the one I cite above.

I would be more than willing to work with anyone (actively or just as a= reviewer) that wanted to write the control plane drafts.

 

If the intended applicability of the SFL framework = is just for statically configured application labels, this should be expli= citly stated in the draft IMHO.

No, I think the intent was always that there would be a control plane i= f needed.

Best regards

Stewart

 

 

Your timely feedback would be highly appreciated.

 

Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,<= /p>

Sasha

 

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Cell:      +972-549266= 302

Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com

 


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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j3sm5735173wmb.39.2019.01.03.08.15.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Jan 2019 08:15:16 -0800 (PST) To: Alexander Vainshtein Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , Shell Nakash , Jun Ye , "draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org" References: <36264762-7e7a-bd18-da0c-4db51185d426@gmail.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <0d5334e3-a2f9-ba99-1cbe-2602c26dbe92@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 16:15:14 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FCFC5AC37F1727319A0B9DB7" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] A question about draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 16:15:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FCFC5AC37F1727319A0B9DB7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sasha, On 03/01/2019 15:19, Alexander Vainshtein wrote: > > Stewart, > > Lots of thanks for a very detailed response. > > I have completely missed the (now expired) SFL Control draft. It looks > to me as a reasonable approach for applying SFL to PWs (and PW-based > services) and LSPs. > > But using it with BGP-based services, be it BGP/MPLS IP VPN or EVPN > (including EVPN-based VPWS services) would be non-trivial IMHO: > > -There are no (bi-directional) PWs in these services > No, but to do a performance measurement we need to establish a label that is unique to the pair. > > -There may be no end-to-end tunnel LSPs (e.g., if inter-AS Option B is > used) > If it is interAS there may be a security issue, but Section 4 specifies the use of the RFC6374 return address TLV so we can get the message to the responder on the normal LSP and get the reply back using IP. > -Sending SFL Request messages with GAL and ACH following the VPN > application label is possible, but I do not see how the Reply can be > sent back > > -I do not think these messages can be piggy-backed on MP-BGP (even if > these days lots of things are). > > Did I miss something? > Please look at section 4. The only concern I have is whether I need to add security to the system to cope with the inter AS case. Best regards Stewart > Regards, > > Sasha > > Office: +972-39266302 > > Cell: +972-549266302 > > Email:  Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > > *From:*Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Thursday, January 3, 2019 4:27 PM > *To:* Alexander Vainshtein ; > draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; Shell Nakash ; Jun Ye > > *Subject:* Re: A question about draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework > > On 25/12/2018 11:45, Alexander Vainshtein wrote: > > Dear authors of draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework > , > > I have a question about use of Synonymous Flow Labels in the when > application labels are present. > > The relevant text in Section 4.1 of the draft says: > >    At the egress LSR the LSP label is popped (if present).  Then > the SFL > >    is processed in exactly the same way as the corresponding > application > >    label would have been processed. > > If the application label has been statically configured in the > egress LSR,  then, presumably, so would be each of the Synonymous > labels. > > Yes. > > However, if the application label has been dynamically allocated > by the egress LSR and advertised to ingress LSR using some control > plane mechanisms, then the synonymous labels would also have to be > dynamically allocated and advertised by the same control plane > mechanisms. > > Not necessarily. > > We had a proposal for a simple control plane that I propose to refresh: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control-02 > > The idea with this is that the application control protocol runs as > normal and this protocol modifies the label for SFL purposes. > > There was a lot of interest in the WG at the time for modifying each > and every control protocol, but there is not much interest in writing > the drafts needed to do it. > > The draft in question is a framework draft and does not discuss > any control plane issues (at least I have not found any mention of > such issues in the text). > > I wonder if any work on control plane mechanisms for advertisement > of synonymous labels is going on or planned. ( A quick search in > the documents of the MPLS, BESS and PALS WGs did not find any > relevant documents). > > Only the one I cite above. > > I would be more than willing to work with anyone (actively or just as > a reviewer) that wanted to write the control plane drafts. > > If the intended applicability of the SFL framework is just for > statically configured application labels, this should be > explicitly stated in the draft IMHO. > > No, I think the intent was always that there would be a control plane > if needed. > > Best regards > > Stewart > > Your timely feedback would be highly appreciated. > > Regards, and lots of thanks in advance, > > Sasha > > Office: +972-39266302 > > Cell:      +972-549266302 > > Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and > contains information which is > CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. 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Sasha,

On 03/01/2019 15:19, Alexander Vainshtein wrote:

Stewart,

Lots of thanks for a very detailed response.

 

I have completely missed the (now expired) SFL Control draft. It looks to me as a reasonable approach for applying SFL to PWs (and PW-based services) and LSPs.

But using it with BGP-based services, be it BGP/MPLS IP VPN or EVPN (including EVPN-based VPWS services) would be non-trivial IMHO:

-          There are no (bi-directional) PWs in these services

No, but to do a performance measurement we need to establish a label that is unique to the pair.

-          There may be no end-to-end tunnel LSPs (e.g., if inter-AS Option B is used)

If it is interAS there may be a security issue, but Section 4 specifies the use of the RFC6374 return address TLV so we can get the message to the responder on the normal LSP and get the reply back using IP.


-          Sending SFL Request messages with GAL and ACH following the VPN application label is possible, but I do not see how the Reply can be sent back

-          I do not think these messages can be piggy-backed on MP-BGP (even if these days lots of things are).

Did I miss something?

Please look at section 4. The only concern I have is whether I need to add security to the system to cope with the inter AS case.

Best regards

Stewart

 


Regards,

Sasha

 

Office: +972-39266302

Cell:      +972-549266302

Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com

 

From: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 4:27 PM
To: Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>; draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org
Cc: mpls@ietf.org; Shell Nakash <Shell.Nakash@ecitele.com>; Jun Ye <Jun.Ye@ecitele.com>
Subject: Re: A question about draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework

 

 

On 25/12/2018 11:45, Alexander Vainshtein wrote:

Dear authors of draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework,

I have a question about use of Synonymous Flow Labels in the when application labels are present.

The relevant text in Section 4.1 of the draft says:

 

   At the egress LSR the LSP label is popped (if present).  Then the SFL

   is processed in exactly the same way as the corresponding application

   label would have been processed.

 

If the application label has been statically configured in the egress LSR,  then, presumably, so would be each of the Synonymous labels.

Yes.

However, if the application label has been dynamically allocated by the egress LSR and advertised to ingress LSR using some control plane mechanisms, then the synonymous labels would also have to be dynamically allocated and advertised by the same control plane mechanisms.

Not necessarily.

We had a proposal for a simple control plane that I propose to refresh:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control-02

The idea with this is that the application control protocol runs as normal and this protocol modifies the label for SFL purposes.

There was a lot of interest in the WG at the time for modifying each and every control protocol, but there is not much interest in writing the drafts needed to do it.

 

The draft in question is a framework draft and does not discuss any control plane issues (at least I have not found any mention of such issues in the text).

I wonder if any work on control plane mechanisms for advertisement of synonymous labels is going on or planned. ( A quick search in the documents of the MPLS, BESS and PALS WGs did not find any relevant documents).

Only the one I cite above.

I would be more than willing to work with anyone (actively or just as a reviewer) that wanted to write the control plane drafts.

 

If the intended applicability of the SFL framework is just for statically configured application labels, this should be explicitly stated in the draft IMHO.

No, I think the intent was always that there would be a control plane if needed.

Best regards

Stewart

 

 

Your timely feedback would be highly appreciated.

 

Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,

Sasha

 

Office: +972-39266302

Cell:      +972-549266302

Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com

 


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boundary="_000_VI1PR03MB38394B752504E5D2D0365C059D8D0VI1PR03MB3839eurp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ecitele.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: d55e915b-8e0a-49a2-6635-08d67198ea36 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 03 Jan 2019 16:31:29.6704 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 2c514a61-08de-4519-b4c0-921fef62c42a X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR03MB3151 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] A question about draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 16:31:43 -0000 --_000_VI1PR03MB38394B752504E5D2D0365C059D8D0VI1PR03MB3839eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stewart, Lots of thanks for a prompt response. Please note that in inter-AS Option B (and Option A) there are no PE-to-PE= tunnel LSPs between PEs in different AS (obvious in Option A where the li= nk between AS simply does not support MPLS). I see two possibilities for IP VPNs 1. The address TLV carries the (globally) routable address of the Q= uerier PE. In this case you can send the Reply using some form of an IP tu= nnel, e.g., MPLS-in-GRE. Security issues can be non-trivial 2. The address TLV carries some stable IP address in the "Querier VR= F" that is reachable from the Responding VRF (i.e. the responding VRF has = a labeled IP route with this address as its destination prefix. In this ca= se you can send the Reply using GAL and GACH under the application label f= or this address. The first of these options would work also for EVPN, the 2nd will not (or = so I think). Does this make any sense to you? Regards, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com From: Stewart Bryant Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 6:15 PM To: Alexander Vainshtein Cc: mpls@ietf.org; Shell Nakash ; Jun Ye ; draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org Subject: Re: A question about draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework Sasha, On 03/01/2019 15:19, Alexander Vainshtein wrote: Stewart, Lots of thanks for a very detailed response. I have completely missed the (now expired) SFL Control draft. It looks to = me as a reasonable approach for applying SFL to PWs (and PW-based services= ) and LSPs. But using it with BGP-based services, be it BGP/MPLS IP VPN or EVPN (inclu= ding EVPN-based VPWS services) would be non-trivial IMHO: - There are no (bi-directional) PWs in these services No, but to do a performance measurement we need to establish a label that = is unique to the pair. - There may be no end-to-end tunnel LSPs (e.g., if inter-AS Optio= n B is used) If it is interAS there may be a security issue, but Section 4 specifies th= e use of the RFC6374 return address TLV so we can get the message to the r= esponder on the normal LSP and get the reply back using IP. - Sending SFL Request messages with GAL and ACH following the VPN= application label is possible, but I do not see how the Reply can be sent= back - I do not think these messages can be piggy-backed on MP-BGP (ev= en if these days lots of things are). Did I miss something? Please look at section 4. The only concern I have is whether I need to add= security to the system to cope with the inter AS case. Best regards Stewart Regards, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com From: Stewart Bryant Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 4:27 PM To: Alexander Vainshtein ; draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org Cc: mpls@ietf.org; Shell Nakash ; Jun Ye Subject: Re: A question about draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework On 25/12/2018 11:45, Alexander Vainshtein wrote: Dear authors of draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework, I have a question about use of Synonymous Flow Labels in the when applicat= ion labels are present. The relevant text in Section 4.1 of the draft says: At the egress LSR the LSP label is popped (if present). Then the SFL is processed in exactly the same way as the corresponding application label would have been processed. If the application label has been statically configured in the egress LSR,= then, presumably, so would be each of the Synonymous labels. Yes. However, if the application label has been dynamically allocated by the eg= ress LSR and=20advertised to ingress LSR using some control plane mechanis= ms, then the synonymous labels would also have to be dynamically allocated= and advertised by the same control plane mechanisms. Not necessarily. We had a proposal for a simple control plane that I propose to refresh: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control-02 The idea with this is that the application control protocol runs as normal= and this protocol modifies the label for SFL purposes. There was a lot of interest in the WG at the time for modifying each and e= very control protocol, but there is not much interest in writing the draft= s needed to do it. The draft in question is a framework draft and does not discuss any contro= l plane issues (at least I have not found any mention of such issues in th= e text). I wonder if any work on control plane mechanisms for advertisement of syno= nymous labels is going on or planned. ( A quick search in the documents of= the MPLS, BESS and PALS WGs did not find any relevant documents). Only the one I cite above. I would be more than willing to work with anyone (actively or just as a re= viewer) that wanted to write the control plane drafts. If the intended applicability of the SFL framework is just for statically = configured application labels, this should be explicitly stated in the dra= ft IMHO. No, I think the intent was always that there would be a control plane if n= eeded. Best regards Stewart Your timely feedback would be highly appreciated. 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Stewart,

Lots of thanks for a = prompt response.

 

Please note that in i= nter-AS Option B (and Option A) there are no PE-to-PE tunnel LSPs between = PEs in different AS (obvious in Option A where the link between AS simply = does not support MPLS).

 

I see two possibiliti= es for IP VPNs

1.       The address TLV carries the (globally) routable  address = of the Querier PE. In this case you can send the Reply using some form of = an IP tunnel, e.g., MPLS-in-GRE. Security issues can be non-trivial

2.       The address TLV carries some stable IP address in the “Q= uerier VRF” that is reachable from the Responding VRF (i.e. the resp= onding VRF has a labeled IP route with this address as its destination prefix. In this case you can send the Reply using GAL = and GACH under the application label for this address.

The first of these op= tions would work also for EVPN, the 2nd will not (or so I think= ).

 

Does this make any se= nse to you?

 

Regards,

Sasha

 

Office: +972-3926= 6302

Cell:  &nbs= p;   +972-549266302

Email:   Al= exander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com

 

From: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail= .com>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 6:15 PM
To: Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> Cc: mpls@ietf.org; Shell Nakash <Shell.Nakash@ecitele.com>; J= un Ye <Jun.Ye@ecitele.com>; draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org Subject: Re: A question about draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework

 

Sasha,

On 03/01/2019 15:19, Alexander Vainshtein wrote:

Stewart,<= /o:p>

Lots of thanks for a = very detailed response.

 

I have completely mis= sed the (now expired) SFL Control draft. It looks to me as a reasonable ap= proach for applying SFL to PWs (and PW-based services) and LSPs.

But using it with BGP= -based services, be it BGP/MPLS IP VPN or EVPN (including EVPN-based VPWS = services) would be non-trivial IMHO:

-     = ;     There are no (bi-directional) PWs in these services=

No, but to do a performance measurement we nee= d to establish a label that is unique to the pair.

-     = ;     There may be no end-to-end tunnel LSPs (e.g., if inter-AS Option B is= used)

If it is interAS there may be a security issue, but Section 4 specifies= the use of the RFC6374 return address TLV so we can get the message to th= e responder on the normal LSP and get the reply back using IP.<= /p>

 

-     = ;     Sending SFL Request messages with GAL and ACH following the VPN appli= cation label is possible, but I do not see how the Reply can be sent back<= /span>

-     = ;     I do not think these messages can be piggy-backed on MP-BGP (even if = these days lots of things are).

Did I miss something?=

Please look at section 4. The only concern I have is whether I need to = add security to the system to cope with the inter AS case.

Best regards

Stewart

 



Regards,<= /o:p>

Sasha

 

Office: +972-3926= 6302

Cell:  &nbs= p;   +972-549266302

Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@eci= tele.com

 

From: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com&g= t;
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 4:27 PM
To: Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com>; draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org
Cc: mpls@ietf.org; Shell Nakas= h <Shell.Nakash@ecitele.com>; Jun Ye <Jun.Ye@ecitele.com>
Subject: Re: A question about draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework<= o:p>

 

 

On 25/12/2018 11:45, Alexander Vainshtein wrote:

Dear authors of draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework,

I have a question about use of Synonymous Flow Labe= ls in the when application labels are present.

The relevant text in Section 4.1 of the draft says:=

 

&nb= sp;  At the egress LSR the LSP label is popped (if present).  Th= en the SFL

&nb= sp;  is processed in exactly the same way as the corresponding applic= ation

&nb= sp;  label would have been processed.

 

If the application label has been statically config= ured in the egress LSR,  then, presumably, so would be each of the Sy= nonymous labels.

Yes.


However, if the application label has been dynamica= lly allocated by the egress LSR and advertised to ingress LSR using some c= ontrol plane mechanisms, then the synonymous labels would also have to be = dynamically allocated and advertised by the same control plane mechanisms.

Not necessarily.

We had a proposal for a simple control plane that I propose to refresh:=

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control-02

The idea with this is that the application control protocol runs as nor= mal and this protocol modifies the label for SFL purposes.

There was a lot of interest in the WG at the time for modifying each an= d every control protocol, but there is not much interest in writing the dr= afts needed to do it.

 

The draft in question is a framework draft and does= not discuss any control plane issues (at least I have not found any menti= on of such issues in the text).

I wonder if any work on control plane mechanisms fo= r advertisement of synonymous labels is going on or planned. ( A quick sea= rch in the documents of the MPLS, BESS and PALS WGs did not find any relev= ant documents).

Only the one I cite above.

I would be more than willing to work with anyone (actively or just as a= reviewer) that wanted to write the control plane drafts.

 

If the intended applicability of the SFL framework = is just for statically configured application labels, this should be expli= citly stated in the draft IMHO.

No, I think the intent was always that there would be a control plane i= f needed.

Best regards

Stewart

 

 

Your timely feedback would be highly appreciated.

 

Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,<= /p>

Sasha

 

Office: +972-39266302

Cell:      +972-549266= 302

Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com

 


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--_000_VI1PR03MB38394B752504E5D2D0365C059D8D0VI1PR03MB3839eurp_-- From nobody Thu Jan 3 22:58:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AFE130F7E; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 22:58:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nwC9A17-frmM; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 22:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 832C0130F81; Thu, 3 Jan 2019 22:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (unknown [119.94.172.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 679C918029FB; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 07:58:14 +0100 (CET) From: Loa Andersson To: "mpls@ietf.org" Cc: "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , Deborah A Brungard , "draft-ietf-mpls-sr-over-ip@ietf.org" Message-ID: <81220343-d4e4-bb14-28ec-e9bd0a343dca@pi.nu> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:58:10 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] Implementation poll for draft-ietf-mpls-sr-over-ip X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 06:58:20 -0000 Working Group, We are currently preparing the Shepherds Write-up for draft-ietf-mpls-sr-over-ip. One of the questions we need to respond to is if we know of implementations (or intentions to implement) of the specification. This document starts an Implementation Poll for draft-ietf-mpls-sr-over- ip. If you know of existing implementations please send information to the MPLS working group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org), a "reply all" to this mail is sufficient. If necessary the information may be sent uni-cast to the MPLS wg chairs (mpls-chairs@ietf.org). /Loa for the mpls wg co-chairs -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Fri Jan 4 12:44:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690BE130E8F for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 12:44:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uhY_VBOdALD1 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 12:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vs1-f51.google.com (mail-vs1-f51.google.com [209.85.217.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3CA51200D7 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 12:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vs1-f51.google.com with SMTP id b74so23401914vsd.9 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2019 12:44:02 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JSzXuntEdgE8/3wa8ANS3FDl582ke2P4IAjloQKTjUU=; b=WKee94r0fOD21FIBE+SconOmjF2CW6UYCE4MFeaKRhiHZTQ/niRCzl24EFz2OHuW0n jbUk4ZDkRJ+3IqDVkG3XziwA0kxsNeoPw3f0e9LFpxtHs0uHlf4SiUUQWDbaBI2fy1b6 x4qfbKYbMzL7P0Ia0O4X778XUtJOVtvm56oS+rP7cHXFqKra0aLRFDxuaZfABwkOI9D0 6+EJO9xS9xwswMZzdAX+Kk4CxWaWJ08BQBHNTgkcBtDLArFx3Tbp5LxmonFuCFRDob9o Vc9jAxB6W82PDIGaAMn72c3oW/2B2hmXKhsUA/glritC2oLx+5qeaJrv1ziAeJDXgd3O awrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZPg22GmOzusbgeefi8oqlRq+XdMOUYF+yR0kkgbP4P0ThdeUlQ DnZinsyxzFsxvnn/wuuOhOhuo9Co8PH9EBUkLPbUtQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/W+q3m7wXUYLt0LL1h4wEYgk5QXLl3UQ7KpEXVQ3sL4titXvQNSuEQ0WTEH8NNemE2xi9e/XTXctLm2f+FvR6c= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f851:: with SMTP id b17mr21542362vsp.23.1546634641699; Fri, 04 Jan 2019 12:44:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Anoop Ghanwani Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 12:43:49 -0800 Message-ID: To: mpls@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] WGLC on draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 20:44:05 -0000 I have reviewed this document and believe it is ready for publication. Thanks, Anoop From nobody Sat Jan 5 01:44:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A38C130E51 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 01:44:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tu7tATy64nFR for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 01:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4309128CB7 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 01:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (unknown [119.94.172.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DAE0A1801591; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 10:44:03 +0100 (CET) To: db3546@att.com Cc: RFC Errata System , Loa Andersson , Ina Minei , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, n.leymann@telekom.de, ramakrishnadtv@gmail.com, mpls@ietf.org References: <20181228045757.C391EB80E7F@rfc-editor.org> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <1a18bde2-f2a0-722a-f619-7d0f58b76458@pi.nu> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 17:43:27 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181228045757.C391EB80E7F@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5036 (5587) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 09:44:12 -0000 Deborah, I've discussed with Adrian, and we agree that the errata is correct, however it is very minor and does not really effect the reading of the document. Classify it as "grammar/editorial" and keep it for a potential update. /Loa On 2018-12-28 12:57, RFC Errata System wrote: > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5036, > "LDP Specification". > > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5587 > > -------------------------------------- > Type: Editorial > Reported by: Ramakrishna Rao DTV > > Section: 2.6.2.2 > > Original Text > ------------- > "In Downstream Unsolicited advertisement mode, label mapping > advertisements for all routes may be received from all LDP peers. > When using Liberal Label retention, every label mappings received > from a peer LSR is retained regardless of whether the LSR is the next > hop for the advertised mapping..." > > > Corrected Text > -------------- > "In Downstream Unsolicited advertisement mode, label mapping > advertisements for all routes may be received from all LDP peers. > When using Liberal Label retention, every label mapping received > from a peer LSR is retained regardless of whether the LSR is the next > hop for the advertised mapping..." > > > Notes > ----- > s/mappings/mapping/ > > Instructions: > ------------- > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > -------------------------------------- > RFC5036 (draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04) > -------------------------------------- > Title : LDP Specification > Publication Date : October 2007 > Author(s) : L. Andersson, Ed., I. Minei, Ed., B. Thomas, Ed. > Category : DRAFT STANDARD > Source : Multiprotocol Label Switching > Area : Routing > Stream : IETF > Verifying Party : IESG > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Sat Jan 5 08:15:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73001130DDA for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 08:15:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bwSeSoMCWMd2 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 08:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-it1-x12d.google.com (mail-it1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C01312DD85 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 08:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-it1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id g76so5559908itg.2 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2019 08:15:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=S3HRoKgOGGLowO3lXYvzlpnwjL0GHrXcAQ23uY/Buz8=; b=ffggH0Sf7DtrI28sC+MTNzEqa5bo2xmjfDUrR/EWLlLhaD900rqGCgTE8nVyI58hEY X95V6S1JpV0UYYXrL9X47bGdPu6fHUnxm3BCsqEstPiCIucCMkw/LYAUVIoD5Pgkdxxp 7ZiB3u0ic3BVp+EtKmgIUjGziweqx/p8StqIkpEyKGv6lEbXIuZ1pGmOWB3EcuwOTJKg cSVF/XZ8r0Vh/IKbw/yWksU8t96BroK3tX1pTNpFcIw6gpabjJK7ldYADiMKXppmqNWF unwSZ11uYPaAPnKdYcV92mW/JGeAmPEtdZHP8skJWwo0dbqmnwLmaLsBRc22M/vDUUpR kVRQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=S3HRoKgOGGLowO3lXYvzlpnwjL0GHrXcAQ23uY/Buz8=; b=NDS0cQgDuZmWAQcgvIkJt1ow/TA5XUS+oHtqR3mU2xPFqtPAGwAtaDz436jwguhbLm Y8NXzTM6yOLEu0m4VMRPiSuslpbYD3RSaBmKjcd/3Ci5bYuK0ADsZ4uzLHrfjt6rUaVL qBK7roHD+de/YOwoAghOLdQVjbMuebQDe01a2ueGYzRKHR1t0nSjniba9jf4RM5vxBLA XGLn6CH66GDsyUMNdttLJzhLd+jAVmh8l5pZl2YkqPoh+I3/TJeJQ/rkuc1O1hhSFT5h 3sSZJD1aNQLRvBi2yHbsuCYhKbrxBLl5yeFpO9iuY0NFh6W1qe0IZkkLQwZOH2/LHYew C0BA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYYqePyTOwlzzwlh793x8Om6zV0HteEreuqnSO1a/NL1lV0iXgG Z6iuxsX3BCeHx0yOy/ENz/ECjo4ptE5qrSj9MmjCuo9p X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XJdEwlJgCSSAAyFte3UoeokmstarD4J0z508j33jPcx/Mu+QSeJwSjWGeUTB7XwMG4qg63eczmBR3xUiwIWus= X-Received: by 2002:a02:7b09:: with SMTP id q9mr37638712jac.39.1546704906448; Sat, 05 Jan 2019 08:15:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Donald Eastlake Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 11:14:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: mpls@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 16:15:08 -0000 I support publication of this draft. It discusses a useful mechanism for indicating the presence of the NSH header. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport, FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com From nobody Sat Jan 5 13:03:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BA8130E8A; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 13:03:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MwD12djflegt; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 13:03:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta6.iomartmail.com (mta6.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E55E130E84; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 13:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (vs3.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.124]) by mta6.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x05L34qQ016508; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 21:03:04 GMT Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241342207C; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 21:03:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.224]) by vs3.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E30322079; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 21:03:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V (62-193-56-212.as16211.net [62.193.56.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x05L3227029030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 5 Jan 2019 21:03:03 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Mach Chen'" , Cc: , , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 21:03:05 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <000901d4a53a$0e619770$2b24c650$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQHy0Tq7EDt6eY0U8sxunbaewJUSUaVkfHSQ Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 62.193.56.212 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-24340.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--13.324-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--13.324-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-24340.003 X-TMASE-Result: 10--13.323800-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 9d2LtCNB3NLxIbpQ8BhdbOYAh37ZsBDCLi2dwKiMR9yqvcIF1TcLYIyA j9lUwfNqFp1/6tEDSIB3Rx3OjfsQ61toL3mbtsuEg2gX/Emjy1QU/rbDiDYaoxFT6ltzclWN8kg eyY1buLPGZf0zVzr3FvjuIjwzZodcfBycIaY2IkK4jAucHcCqnYLLh2/Jcc7eRUZL9AeG8IKb0d QWUPwyjwDyXsI6/Vm2Q1qMY4/9NYP3eeQEPm9K38xmTzofEWOOKVrLOZD1BXR0QbvL4PujkA6Tn 9wDc5HX01KWVwjBeonoqy8cAWqwRRZth7gGVYH2utvHF25zoU9BrawMcuRDTuOxOq7LQlGL9vES pIDSbfTPfw8FHXPzucOCYMezD5kx9K2bK6f9yYYYBkxPlIuYCZ20dShmm+V5u/jTz8Y/keoJXkY bHAT1XHN182ai05OsQ98FZJ3pl5CF1SyzhV53s/SZ/2axrnPBfS0Ip2eEHny+qryzYw2E8M8943 oc3p3sBXW7Bvonl8cLbigRnpKlKSPzRlrdFGDwwZNo3FXhJEYT0EbhLDAiAxKPQrWPoJDHRoiM+ EEKNbDcilLKw9Et1g== X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-04.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 21:03:17 -0000 Hi Mach, Thanks for your careful review. > Minor Issues: > * Section 13 says: > " > b. When the packet arrives at SFFa it strips any labels associated > with the tunnel that runs from the classifier to SFFa. SFFa > examines the top labels and matches the SPI/SI to identify that > the packet should be forwarded to SFa. The packet is forwarded > to SFa unmodified. > > c. SFa performs its designated function and returns the packet to > SFFa. > > d. SFFa modifies the SI in the lower label stack entry (to 254) and > uses the SPI/SI to look up the forwarding instructions. It sends > the packet with two label stack entries: >" > From above text, it seems that an SFF will have different process for a packet that > has the same SPI/SI. > 1) if a packet is received from a previous SFF, it will match the SPI/SI and determine > to where the packet will be sent. > 2) if a packet is received from an SF, it will directly modify the inner label, and then > by matching the new SPI/SI to determine to where the packet will be sent. > > Is this the intention ? If so, how does an SFF determine whether a packet is from an > SFF or from SF? You have understood the processing correctly. In fact, the same situation exists with NSH processing: the SFF is expected to "know" whether the packet has arrived from the previous SFF or from the SF. There are probably two answers: Firstly, it is entirely possible that the SFF and SF are co-resident. That is, they form part of the same implementation, possibly being separated by an API. In this case, of course, the question does not arise. Secondly, it is reasonable to expect that the SFs are attached to the SFF by dedicated tunnels or ports (indeed, SFs are port-attached in the legacy service function world) so that a packet arriving on a line interface (from another SFF) is easily distinguished from one that arrives from an SF. (You might think about port-attached L3VPNs to help clarity how this could work). > In addition, how does an SFF apply the swap and/or pop operations here. E.g., when an SFF looks up the SPI, > it matches an item in a local table; what operation (swap or pop) will apply to the SPI label? According to " The > packet is forwarded to SFa unmodified." It seems implies that there is no any operation will be applied. If so, > this will not align with the MPLS. I think you should also look at this in the manner of a L3VPN. That is, the top label is popped to derive the context, the forwarding label is looked up within the context and swapped, and the context label is re-imposed as the packet is forwarded. Of course, there are optimisations on how an SFF might implement this, but we don't need to describe those. What we know is that the VPN-like approach can be made to work with existing PEs. > If the above issues exist, the " context/SF" case has the similar issues. Hope I have explained why this is not an issue. Now, we could debate why we have not made these answers more clear in the text. The first thing is that we are not trying to make any changes to the architecture used for NSH, so we did not feel we should go into explanations about how the SF/SFF relationship works. Additionally, we did not feel that (beyond the short section 14) we should tell people how to implement. The purpose of the document is to describe wire formats. 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Happy New Year to All! Regards, Greg ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Date: Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 8:52 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-mirsky-mpls-p2mp-bfd-06.txt To: Gregory Mirsky A new version of I-D, draft-mirsky-mpls-p2mp-bfd-06.txt has been successfully submitted by Greg Mirsky and posted to the IETF repository. 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=C2=A0 =C2=A0Detection (BFD) for multipoint networks to detect data plane f= ailures
=C2=A0 =C2=A0in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) point-to-multipoint (p= 2mp)
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0LSP Ping, as in-band, and the control plane, as out-band, solu= tions
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boundary="00000000000074f1b9057ecea1b6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 18:53:45 -0000 --00000000000074f1b9057ecea1b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes/support On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 21:55 Alexander Vainshtein < Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> wrote: > Loa and all, > I have read the -02 version of the draft and, from my POV, it is ready for > publication as an Informational RFC. > > Regards, > Sasha > > Office: +972-39266302 > Cell: +972-549266302 > Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: mpls On Behalf Of Loa Andersson > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:10 PM > To: mpls@ietf.org > Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: [mpls] working group last call on > draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation > > Working Group, > > This is to initiate a two week working group last call on > draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation. > > Well, "two weeks" is the phrase we normally use, this time the two weeks > of working days are interrupted by holidays, therefor the wglc is a bit > longer. > > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). > > There are no IPR disclosures against draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation. > > All the authors (with one exception) have stated on the working group > mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to this > document. > > This working group last call ends January 8, 2019. > > > /Loa > mpls wg co-chair > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains > information which is > CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. 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On Sat, Jan 5, 2= 019 at 21:55 Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> wrote:
Loa and all,
I have read the -02 version of the draft and, from my POV, it is ready for = publication as an Informational RFC.

Regards,
Sasha

Office: +972-39266302
Cell:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +972-549266302
Email:=C2=A0 =C2=A0Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com

-----Original Message-----
From: mpls <m= pls-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Loa Andersson
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:10 PM
To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs@i= etf.org
Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulatio= n

Working Group,

This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-s= fc-encapsulation.

Well, "two weeks" is the phrase we normally use, this time the tw= o weeks of working days are interrupted by holidays, therefor the wglc is a= bit longer.

Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

There are no IPR disclosures against draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation.

All the authors (with one exception) have stated on the working group maili= ng list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to this docu= ment.

This working group last call ends January 8, 2019.


/Loa
mpls wg co-chair
--


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DGGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::89ed:853e:30a9:2a79%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 11:51:34 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "rtg-ads@ietf.org" CC: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-sfc.all@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-04.txt Thread-Index: AdSZOHGt85HegsS7TxCSGyYrh2LDDQLvo12AAE/hNKA= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 03:51:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <000901d4a53a$0e619770$2b24c650$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000901d4a53a$0e619770$2b24c650$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.194.201] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-04.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 03:51:45 -0000 Hi Adrian, Thanks for your reply! See some response inline... > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 5:03 AM > To: Mach Chen ; rtg-ads@ietf.org > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-sfc.all@ietf.org > Subject: RE: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-04.txt >=20 > Hi Mach, >=20 > Thanks for your careful review. >=20 > > Minor Issues: > > * Section 13 says: > > " > > b. When the packet arrives at SFFa it strips any labels associated > > with the tunnel that runs from the classifier to SFFa. SFFa > > examines the top labels and matches the SPI/SI to identify that > > the packet should be forwarded to SFa. The packet is forwarded > > to SFa unmodified. > > > > c. SFa performs its designated function and returns the packet to > > SFFa. > > > > d. SFFa modifies the SI in the lower label stack entry (to 254) and > > uses the SPI/SI to look up the forwarding instructions. It sends > > the packet with two label stack entries: > >" > > From above text, it seems that an SFF will have different process for > >a > packet that > > has the same SPI/SI. > > 1) if a packet is received from a previous SFF, it will match the > > SPI/SI > and determine > > to where the packet will be sent. > > 2) if a packet is received from an SF, it will directly modify the > > inner > label, and then > > by matching the new SPI/SI to determine to where the packet will be sen= t. > > > > Is this the intention ? If so, how does an SFF determine whether a > > packet > is from an > > SFF or from SF? >=20 > You have understood the processing correctly. > In fact, the same situation exists with NSH processing: the SFF is expect= ed to > "know" whether the packet has arrived from the previous SFF or from the S= F. >=20 > There are probably two answers: > Firstly, it is entirely possible that the SFF and SF are co-resident. Tha= t is, they > form part of the same implementation, possibly being separated by an API. > In this case, of course, the question does not arise. > Secondly, it is reasonable to expect that the SFs are attached to the SFF= by > dedicated tunnels or ports (indeed, SFs are port-attached in the legacy > service function world) so that a packet arriving on a line interface (fr= om > another SFF) is easily distinguished from one that arrives from an SF. (Y= ou > might think about port-attached L3VPNs to help clarity how this could wor= k). If so, it's better to add some text to clarify this. Given the current text= , it implies that it could be determined just by matching the SPI/SI. >=20 > > In addition, how does an SFF apply the swap and/or pop operations here. > E.g., when an SFF looks up the SPI, > > it matches an item in a local table; what operation (swap or pop) will > apply to the SPI label? According to " The > > packet is forwarded to SFa unmodified." It seems implies that there is > > no > any operation will be applied. If so, > > this will not align with the MPLS. >=20 > I think you should also look at this in the manner of a L3VPN. That is, t= he top > label is popped to derive the context, the forwarding label is looked up > within the context and swapped, and the context label is re-imposed as th= e > packet is forwarded. >=20 > Of course, there are optimisations on how an SFF might implement this, bu= t > we don't need to describe those. What we know is that the VPN-like > approach can be made to work with existing PEs. As above, it's better to add some text to make it clearer.=20 >=20 > > If the above issues exist, the " context/SF" case has the similar issue= s. >=20 > Hope I have explained why this is not an issue. >=20 > Now, we could debate why we have not made these answers more clear in > the text. > The first thing is that we are not trying to make any changes to the > architecture used for NSH, so we did not feel we should go into explanati= ons > about how the SF/SFF relationship works. > Additionally, we did not feel that (beyond the short section 14) we shoul= d tell > people how to implement. The purpose of the document is to describe wire > formats. IMHO, it may not be enough if just describing the wire formats, the operati= ons/process on the "formats" are necessary to make it an implementable and = interoperable protocol.=20 Although Section 13 is listed as a worked example, I personally think that = they are necessary procedures. I'd suggest to change it to more "formal" se= ction, e.g., Procedures.=20 Best regards, Mach >=20 > Best, > Adrian From nobody Mon Jan 7 01:45:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15DC126BED; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 01:45:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.965 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.965 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nokia.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id piHV6KyVE80v; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 01:45:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from EUR01-VE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eopbgr140104.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.14.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B023C130DE7; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I read the version -02 and the work has my support to progress to publicati= on. Brgds, G/ -------------------- From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Tantsura Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 1:53 PM To: Alexander Vainshtein Cc: mpls at ietf.org; mpls-chairs at ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsul= ation Yes/support On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 21:55 Alexander Vainshtein wrote: Loa and all, I have read the -02 version of the draft and, from my POV, it is ready for = publication as an Informational RFC. Regards, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: Alexander.Vainshtein at ecitele.com -----Original Message----- From: mpls On Behalf Of Loa Andersson Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:10 PM To: mpls at ietf.org Cc: mpls-chairs at ietf.org Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulatio= n Working Group, This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-s= fc-encapsulation. 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I read the version -02 and the work has my support t= o progress to publication.

 

Brgds,

G/

 

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From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces at ietf.org] On Beha= lf Of Jeff Tantsura

Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 1:53 PM

To: Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein at= ecitele.com>

Cc: mpls at ietf.org; mpls-chairs at ietf.org

Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft= -ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation

 

 

Yes/support

 

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 21:55 Alexander Vainshtein &l= t;Alexander.Vainshtein at ecitele.com> wrote:

 

Loa and all,

I have read the -02 version of the draft and, from m= y POV, it is ready for publication as an Informational RFC.

 

Regards,

Sasha

 

Office: +972-39266302

Cell:      +972-5492663= 02

Email:   Alexander.Vainshtein at ecitele.c= om

 

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From: mpls <mpls-bounces at ietf.org> On Behal= f Of Loa Andersson

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Cc: mpls-chairs at ietf.org

Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-iet= f-mpls-sfc-encapsulation

 

Working Group,

 

This is to initiate a two week working group last ca= ll on draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation.

 

Well, "two weeks" is the phrase we normall= y use, this time the two weeks of working days are interrupted by holidays,= therefor the wglc is a bit longer.

 

Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing lis= t (mpls at ietf.org).

 

There are no IPR disclosures against draft-ietf-mpls= -sfc-encapsulation.

 

All the authors (with one exception) have stated on = the working group mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs th= at relates to this document.

 

This working group last call ends January 8, 2019.

 

 

/Loa

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--_000_AM0PR07MB51378DECCC1CD8633DFF93FFE0890AM0PR07MB5137eurp_-- From nobody Mon Jan 7 13:21:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C84C12D7F8; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 13:20:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aMLDLXkTnvNy; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 13:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta8.iomartmail.com (mta8.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.158]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F0BD12D4F0; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 13:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (vs3.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.124]) by mta8.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x07LKhLR031732; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 21:20:43 GMT Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D7A2203A; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 21:20:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.249]) by vs3.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23ACA22032; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 21:20:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V (228.138.71.37.rev.sfr.net [37.71.138.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x07LKfpa026523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 7 Jan 2019 21:20:42 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Mach Chen'" , Cc: , , References: <000901d4a53a$0e619770$2b24c650$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 21:20:41 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <000f01d4a6ce$d8554e10$88ffea30$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQHy0Tq7EDt6eY0U8sxunbaewJUSUQHg0tjtAOhd3qelUa+wUA== Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 37.71.138.228 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-24344.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--27.890-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--27.890-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-24344.003 X-TMASE-Result: 10--27.890400-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: gTucSmrmRMPxIbpQ8BhdbGOho7buv7d99ISHwCrIdS+dI/DikZ1UPGn7 AlTb8W2x8P/rRROeDj5oXUhPWha39tYoPXJFOZMZSEQN/D/3cG6bKpAlY2y6SV4BFO+GiYMKrzN S6FlTLmAMSDoxTOGWgjsSJ6fCyZIk5PqteCUdhUSvPooS+PUQcvjb1e058Z7KtXl9IxEPXOqoBf Cx2HzmBpR0OVq67lyBvLG2wtZKh4AS5iXdhf8hbvHkpkyUphL9fjJOgArMOCbdeAKnvBMxfMCS2 AMm1nQC0gMnJXVXJPBN/Mei72kQGkrKMxos9ql4gQy/ei4MrjH6pOsKlhLIwgZbeEWcL03VvevW pIZtKsrqDin9jfJn1G3M9l5ohxPtL0W1btd8e54gKw/iul4Zx4ED+PNzPecB6i5zlFx/UHRJnSo 6DBNIgr+JbQH3H6GP6oRMTpXtji/Ea2ky0XHJsh47EGkpGeA9NlJkXYyJkGDxH97w0zz7daF609 GrmC7toR5IPMth3DTW8Baq43427gcSBA/LYDihXP5rFAucBUFxP3KiGWI8JxpQU1f5QXKAF0FOW tPeLaIEC1YjNkhrBnUJW3hxVXl5uZxfSEY3BwKM29hkek7XdzQAp53S718HT67yhLheQoy/HX2y oHunkk4/WT9nKDC8dQZZTOCYP9WY+dHsEP/MFZ4CIKY/Hg3AWQy9YC5qGvybk3ZgcwPRvwzKt8/ 2P4LV33fj+sMArfNRzX47Vf0DMQ== X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-04.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 21:20:53 -0000 Hmmm, I think we may disagree on this =E2=98=B9 I'd ask the WG chairs and AD (especially as the review is for the = benefit of the AD) to guide the authors. IMHO it is not the place of an IETF spec to tell people how to implement = unless the implementation changes the resultant behaviour on the wire. = >From my perspective, this document tells the implementer what black-box = behaviour is expected: i.e. what result receiving a packet should have, = and what packets to generate.=20 We could describe how to implement, but I can't see how that would be = normative. And I think there are plenty of ways to achieve the required = behaviour in an optimised way (for example, performing dual-label = access). We provided section 14 to give guidance that implementation = using existing hardware could be possible, but we didn't want to imply = that this was *the* way to implement. Best, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Mach Chen =20 Sent: 07 January 2019 03:52 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; rtg-ads@ietf.org Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-sfc.all@ietf.org Subject: RE: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-04.txt Hi Adrian, Thanks for your reply! See some response inline... > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 5:03 AM > To: Mach Chen ; rtg-ads@ietf.org > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-sfc.all@ietf.org > Subject: RE: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-04.txt >=20 > Hi Mach, >=20 > Thanks for your careful review. >=20 > > Minor Issues: > > * Section 13 says: > > " > > b. When the packet arrives at SFFa it strips any labels = associated > > with the tunnel that runs from the classifier to SFFa. SFFa > > examines the top labels and matches the SPI/SI to identify = that > > the packet should be forwarded to SFa. The packet is = forwarded > > to SFa unmodified. > > > > c. SFa performs its designated function and returns the packet to > > SFFa. > > > > d. SFFa modifies the SI in the lower label stack entry (to 254) = and > > uses the SPI/SI to look up the forwarding instructions. It = sends > > the packet with two label stack entries: > >" > > From above text, it seems that an SFF will have different process = for > >a > packet that > > has the same SPI/SI. > > 1) if a packet is received from a previous SFF, it will match the > > SPI/SI > and determine > > to where the packet will be sent. > > 2) if a packet is received from an SF, it will directly modify the > > inner > label, and then > > by matching the new SPI/SI to determine to where the packet will be = sent. > > > > Is this the intention ? If so, how does an SFF determine whether a > > packet > is from an > > SFF or from SF? >=20 > You have understood the processing correctly. > In fact, the same situation exists with NSH processing: the SFF is = expected to > "know" whether the packet has arrived from the previous SFF or from = the SF. >=20 > There are probably two answers: > Firstly, it is entirely possible that the SFF and SF are co-resident. = That is, they > form part of the same implementation, possibly being separated by an = API. > In this case, of course, the question does not arise. > Secondly, it is reasonable to expect that the SFs are attached to the = SFF by > dedicated tunnels or ports (indeed, SFs are port-attached in the = legacy > service function world) so that a packet arriving on a line interface = (from > another SFF) is easily distinguished from one that arrives from an SF. = (You > might think about port-attached L3VPNs to help clarity how this could = work). If so, it's better to add some text to clarify this. Given the current = text, it implies that it could be determined just by matching the = SPI/SI. >=20 > > In addition, how does an SFF apply the swap and/or pop operations = here. > E.g., when an SFF looks up the SPI, > > it matches an item in a local table; what operation (swap or pop) = will > apply to the SPI label? According to " The > > packet is forwarded to SFa unmodified." It seems implies that there = is > > no > any operation will be applied. If so, > > this will not align with the MPLS. >=20 > I think you should also look at this in the manner of a L3VPN. That = is, the top > label is popped to derive the context, the forwarding label is looked = up > within the context and swapped, and the context label is re-imposed as = the > packet is forwarded. >=20 > Of course, there are optimisations on how an SFF might implement this, = but > we don't need to describe those. What we know is that the VPN-like > approach can be made to work with existing PEs. As above, it's better to add some text to make it clearer.=20 >=20 > > If the above issues exist, the " context/SF" case has the similar = issues. >=20 > Hope I have explained why this is not an issue. >=20 > Now, we could debate why we have not made these answers more clear in > the text. > The first thing is that we are not trying to make any changes to the > architecture used for NSH, so we did not feel we should go into = explanations > about how the SF/SFF relationship works. > Additionally, we did not feel that (beyond the short section 14) we = should tell > people how to implement. The purpose of the document is to describe = wire > formats. IMHO, it may not be enough if just describing the wire formats, the = operations/process on the "formats" are necessary to make it an = implementable and interoperable protocol.=20 Although Section 13 is listed as a worked example, I personally think = that they are necessary procedures. I'd suggest to change it to more = "formal" section, e.g., Procedures.=20 Best regards, Mach >=20 > Best, > Adrian From nobody Mon Jan 7 14:06:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D2E12DDA3; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:06:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.966 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.966 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nokia.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o37No9BU6Lnh; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from 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2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D50F12D7F8; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 14:12:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rUSzwY64PkeJ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 14:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1FAD13115E; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 14:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 4841DB81DDA; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 14:12:24 -0800 (PST) To: ramakrishnadtv@gmail.com, loa@pi.se, ina@juniper.net, rhthomas@cisco.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: db3546@att.com, iesg@ietf.org, mpls@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20190108221224.4841DB81DDA@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 14:12:24 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] [Errata Held for Document Update] RFC5036 (5587) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 22:12:37 -0000 The following errata report has been held for document update for RFC5036, "LDP Specification". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5587 -------------------------------------- Status: Held for Document Update Type: Editorial Reported by: Ramakrishna Rao DTV Date Reported: 2018-12-28 Held by: Deborah Brungard (IESG) Section: 2.6.2.2 Original Text ------------- "In Downstream Unsolicited advertisement mode, label mapping advertisements for all routes may be received from all LDP peers. When using Liberal Label retention, every label mappings received from a peer LSR is retained regardless of whether the LSR is the next hop for the advertised mapping..." Corrected Text -------------- "In Downstream Unsolicited advertisement mode, label mapping advertisements for all routes may be received from all LDP peers. When using Liberal Label retention, every label mapping received from a peer LSR is retained regardless of whether the LSR is the next hop for the advertised mapping..." Notes ----- s/mappings/mapping/ -------------------------------------- RFC5036 (draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04) -------------------------------------- Title : LDP Specification Publication Date : October 2007 Author(s) : L. Andersson, Ed., I. Minei, Ed., B. Thomas, Ed. Category : DRAFT STANDARD Source : Multiprotocol Label Switching Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Tue Jan 8 18:04:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57AB12F1A2; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 18:04:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6w-KpRZ9QV4h; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 18:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37FA712008A; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 18:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (unknown [119.94.172.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9E3981802AB9; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 03:04:05 +0100 (CET) From: Loa Andersson To: "mpls@ietf.org" Cc: "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation@ietf.org References: <7d22ce5e-e21e-c3d9-f93f-e8de4d5cd89c@pi.nu> <33b05f4d-10f1-cd7c-1937-2a2b71440083@pi.nu> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 10:04:01 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <33b05f4d-10f1-cd7c-1937-2a2b71440083@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] Closed: -- working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 02:04:10 -0000 Working Group, This working group last call is closed. The comments have only been supportive and no changes suggested. However, the authors will now have a chance to do late (editorial) updates/changes or verify to the wg chairs that we are ready to go for publication. /Loa mpls wg co-chair On 2019-01-02 11:31, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > Andy Malis pointed out to me that there is a copy/paste error in > the wglc mail. > > All the authors have stated on the working group mailing list that > they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to this document. > There is no exception. > > /Loa > > > On 2018-12-18 18:09, Loa Andersson wrote: >> Working Group, >> >> This is to initiate a two week working group last call on >> draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation. >> >> Well, "two weeks" is the phrase we normally use, this time the two >> weeks of working days are interrupted by holidays, therefor the >> wglc is a bit longer. >> >> Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). >> >> There are no IPR disclosures against draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation. >> >> All the authors (with one exception) have stated on the working group >> mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to >> this document. >> >> This working group last call ends January 8, 2019. >> >> >> /Loa >> mpls wg co-chair > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Wed Jan 9 06:15:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D57123FFD; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 06:15:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m-PwE7SP68iE; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 06:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt1-x829.google.com (mail-qt1-x829.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::829]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 451F51228B7; Wed, 9 Jan 2019 06:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt1-x829.google.com with SMTP id u47so8424736qtj.6; Wed, 09 Jan 2019 06:15:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IAizazcTxdKT0X3Rumg+NAZwkdipZ7Tj/ldktc7JrE0=; b=iWnuJYktht4JCRYZzeDP7kb9K9A2rhrXKlWDp+mPq3/u1Ch8FOzqX2X9YmImITfR6L enit5DOOFLFdcn+Z+T4I5uRjOkWktui2tJB/SUxpgt6MZZxBZMsCJ/EDXCvBmz9gTESu 9lQLWlarhvIajvTzTPBeZh2HU//AlZ7TpjOcYpD/hw7huk6MukYNvM6nrRwOIAFOfImd iBJOlWtVFXIvKigtM+42ZYDJY2js+bceZFZH5mERJxW+Sy4rc0o+PfLCUijYCiNqLH35 0Lio5unen2dlcfUGFPcec8QF6F3zpW448mTc76L0Bh64yDWCk4AMmG9zx9q7X3dDZFOP uD0w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IAizazcTxdKT0X3Rumg+NAZwkdipZ7Tj/ldktc7JrE0=; b=TQ5cAoU00MVAPNrbDj5nSl0UGmSx2SwHhXlS/mZlwIpxet2SuwBdCqjLGIMwVPYjVt LiSsCxkIXFkupmsANvtAkb82+2iZCT1bvCcAMwtS10e9NPujBK75Flkj1/xAvBpPjmtE GoG5kNoPX0ET3sqk7eNKfW/9qHg5/3urI7yMwVSbA5Ykn79qmfIq2JQt88njSbZQKaM8 qcfthIvqXatKQzvQ8z74vfRUnWmmHbDXk1Fk/rxyh47TnPupT6cidp/1iePttFIhn9eO v/F6pt+CIM4GGih7uH10FCGhxBFsKvVjxEf0iZhkwrD8WB9EeJ4KU2LB7cdA1kreCWJq KWuw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukfegqUDiSmr8EoyL7R61DRuZw0nq/9u1bUQImA8ZNVm5dgPf4OL yH1yo1QBiJrriyrrqVrdwNMt1LmFPeyOXWSdk2aQHQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN5Ek8s8qRRyKEe6FRKK/aTEEICjtzctNxUcVIfFUKDfb9NE3/ljMIlduOnmgOs5kBPDLPypUUGGBQtkndCn1KA= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:c389:: with SMTP id o9mr5925483qvi.90.1547043305371; Wed, 09 Jan 2019 06:15:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7d22ce5e-e21e-c3d9-f93f-e8de4d5cd89c@pi.nu> <33b05f4d-10f1-cd7c-1937-2a2b71440083@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 09:14:54 -0500 Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ab3c76057f071650" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] Closed: -- working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2019 14:15:08 -0000 --000000000000ab3c76057f071650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Loa, We did an update just before WG LC, so we feel that's it's good to go. Thanks, Andy On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:04 PM Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > This working group last call is closed. The comments have only been > supportive and no changes suggested. > > However, the authors will now have a chance to do late (editorial) > updates/changes or verify to the wg chairs that we are ready to go > for publication. > > /Loa > mpls wg co-chair > > On 2019-01-02 11:31, Loa Andersson wrote: > > Working Group, > > > > Andy Malis pointed out to me that there is a copy/paste error in > > the wglc mail. > > > > All the authors have stated on the working group mailing list that > > they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to this document. > > There is no exception. > > > > /Loa > > > > > > On 2018-12-18 18:09, Loa Andersson wrote: > >> Working Group, > >> > >> This is to initiate a two week working group last call on > >> draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation. > >> > >> Well, "two weeks" is the phrase we normally use, this time the two > >> weeks of working days are interrupted by holidays, therefor the > >> wglc is a bit longer. > >> > >> Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). > >> > >> There are no IPR disclosures against draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation. > >> > >> All the authors (with one exception) have stated on the working group > >> mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to > >> this document. > >> > >> This working group last call ends January 8, 2019. > >> > >> > >> /Loa > >> mpls wg co-chair > > > > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --000000000000ab3c76057f071650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loa,

We did an update just before WG LC= , so we feel that's it's good to go.

Thank= s,
Andy


=
On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:04 PM Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group,

This working group last call is closed. The comments have only been
supportive and no changes suggested.

However, the authors will now have a chance to do late (editorial)
updates/changes or verify to the wg chairs that we are ready to go
for publication.

/Loa
mpls wg co-chair

On 2019-01-02 11:31, Loa Andersson wrote:
> Working Group,
>
> Andy Malis pointed out to me that there is a copy/paste error in
> the wglc mail.
>
> All the authors have stated on the working group mailing list that
> they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to this document. > There is no exception.
>
> /Loa
>
>
> On 2018-12-18 18:09, Loa Andersson wrote:
>> Working Group,
>>
>> This is to initiate a two week working group last call on
>> draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation.
>>
>> Well, "two weeks" is the phrase we normally use, this ti= me the two
>> weeks of working days are interrupted by holidays, therefor the >> wglc is a bit longer.
>>
>> Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).
>>
>> There are no IPR disclosures against draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsula= tion.
>>
>> All the authors (with one exception) have stated on the working gr= oup
>> mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relate= s to
>> this document.
>>
>> This working group last call ends January 8, 2019.
>>
>>
>> /Loa
>> mpls wg co-chair
>

--


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A new version of I-D, draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg-10.txt
has been successfully submitted by Greg Mirsky and posted to the
IETF repository.

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Diff:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-zheng-mpls-lsp= -ping-yang-cfg-10

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0When an LSP fails to deliver user traffic, the failure cannot = always
=C2=A0 =C2=A0be detected by the MPLS control plane.=C2=A0 RFC 8029 defines = a mechanism
=C2=A0 =C2=A0that would enable users to detect such failure and to isolate = faults.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0YANG, defined in RFC 6020 and RFC 7950, is a data modeling lan= guage
=C2=A0 =C2=A0used to specify the contents of a conceptual data stores that = allows
=C2=A0 =C2=A0networked devices to be managed using NETCONF, as specified in= RFC
=C2=A0 =C2=A06241.=C2=A0 This document defines a YANG data model that can b= e used to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0configure and manage LSP-Ping.




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Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:31:50 -0000 Working Group, authors, We have started to prepare the the draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg for working group adoption, prior to the wgap we need to do an IPR poll. This mail starts this IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang- cfg? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). There no IPR disclosures against draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. /Loa mpls wg co-chair -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Thu Jan 10 02:31:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9687130DC8 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 02:31:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l2M6XGrR35Wt for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 02:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4475E130DBE for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 02:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 0326DB82473; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 02:31:31 -0800 (PST) To: loa@pi.se, ina@juniper.net, rhthomas@cisco.com, db3546@att.com, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, loa@pi.nu, n.leymann@telekom.de X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: ramakrishnadtv@gmail.com, mpls@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20190110103132.0326DB82473@rfc-editor.org> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 02:31:31 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5036 (5597) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 10:31:35 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5036, "LDP Specification". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5597 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: Ramakrishna Rao DTV Section: 2.5.3 Original Text ------------- The session establishment setup attempt following a NAK'd Initialization message MUST be delayed no less than 15 seconds, and subsequent delays MUST grow to a maximum delay of no less than 2 minutes. The specific session establishment action that must be delayed is the attempt to open the session transport connection by the LSR playing the active role. Corrected Text -------------- The session establishment setup attempt following a NAK'd Initialization message MUST be delayed no less than 15 seconds, and subsequent delays MUST grow to a maximum delay of no more than 2 minutes. The specific session establishment action that must be delayed is the attempt to open the session transport connection by the LSR playing the active role. Notes ----- In the 3rd line, "less" is changed to "more". The intention is to cap the maximum delay. But the existing text implies no cap essentially. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC5036 (draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04) -------------------------------------- Title : LDP Specification Publication Date : October 2007 Author(s) : L. Andersson, Ed., I. Minei, Ed., B. Thomas, Ed. 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Whatever the original intent, the original text say that it must grow to at least 2 minutes. I don't think we can just change it to be a maximum of 2 minutes without going through the consensus process with an, albeit very short, RFC. - Stewart On 10/01/2019 10:31, RFC Errata System wrote: > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5036, > "LDP Specification". > > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5597 > > -------------------------------------- > Type: Editorial > Reported by: Ramakrishna Rao DTV > > Section: 2.5.3 > > Original Text > ------------- > The session establishment setup attempt following a NAK'd > Initialization message MUST be delayed no less than 15 seconds, and > subsequent delays MUST grow to a maximum delay of no less than 2 > minutes. The specific session establishment action that must be > delayed is the attempt to open the session transport connection by > the LSR playing the active role. > > > Corrected Text > -------------- > The session establishment setup attempt following a NAK'd > Initialization message MUST be delayed no less than 15 seconds, and > subsequent delays MUST grow to a maximum delay of no more than 2 > minutes. The specific session establishment action that must be > delayed is the attempt to open the session transport connection by > the LSR playing the active role. > > > Notes > ----- > In the 3rd line, "less" is changed to "more". > > The intention is to cap the maximum delay. But the existing text implies no cap > essentially. > > Instructions: > ------------- > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > -------------------------------------- > RFC5036 (draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04) > -------------------------------------- > Title : LDP Specification > Publication Date : October 2007 > Author(s) : L. Andersson, Ed., I. Minei, Ed., B. Thomas, Ed. > Category : DRAFT STANDARD > Source : Multiprotocol Label Switching > Area : Routing > Stream : IETF > Verifying Party : IESG > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From nobody Thu Jan 10 07:08:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD06B130EC9; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:08:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id STw8Y7tOWCj9; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:08:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf1-x133.google.com (mail-lf1-x133.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEEA0129AB8; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf1-x133.google.com with SMTP id v5so8543572lfe.7; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:08:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=OPKknn00FiAp+qRCF6aU6kQxoi0zQV/wySUkgOBpA38=; b=FLIY2+sjG0vpZW1hA7fo5xW08WIr5qvfTpWj5sD9KYJtqJqqUbnFUEg8cK+iPvBRZu QhcXiTOuD5+OhR2Fw52nPVN+Kb6L4hurfdw0cGTFEKkEBfGJpSltCY1GKNj28LilZZgW jvJfuZ0bgd+fCw5oFTI9uRxOAbR/dLO/QEMAJy5RxQYAeZxGZAJExAqpQAy+ycArJzEn V4Y7fDYaYjGd5ShTex8h3wsjCvWLg5x3VhjNPDbp9Y7XxfXnOwO6D+YFhhOPfhSv+/my 1kLg81qwl8T6gtBBpLVuIq1FrqnkjsgECstRWfHhiooPdOgpLpe/lUKMN119GWsDCCs2 CEjg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OPKknn00FiAp+qRCF6aU6kQxoi0zQV/wySUkgOBpA38=; b=BdACWsaK89AtJWdI68kgQ0bb/1itbxhlGKrDXzbrWz+S1AnHkVco8mpAjxCTD5vpYZ BvNq5ujffX8PgIpgdmrW/kTmb/YfTet7XNw2wZLaOgi7E3DLgCgdq3ySiYtvPSzKpBR0 l/N3aG72hN3e6aKL0dKr5JWDfDlYQhXyKn15x9agYUcIfO0RhZl1I2PpEawsDRVzOWWB vMiR+Ofyla09hD3NDMnnUGjEjYi/2oIEnI7ahTAm9ulM2L13IpKjkGbej9zC56Chda56 PVoYtK/Bydm4chXSk+3m9svjuTOBr9y7eon97/ayp/GubtIhzqNZyeBBao870HeiGfbI 8iuw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukczO9NJe31f0zzDdvghWQUyPxAi4DRCdvUbCRGJ9rr0kKvnmRvp Q6PrEX23dElnMEaL6SlWkE/BMxXkji+DR2HbS+dFQSUT X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN4C4wbLaydcKj6tV9jOB4f+V9WrLd1YRd3UoXn+17pEEGYnNCse984CMhklmnR3uAgXHAanHjHFLYOBQE1ytaY= X-Received: by 2002:a19:c203:: with SMTP id l3mr5805558lfc.113.1547132908047; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:08:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Greg Mirsky Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:08:18 -0800 Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , Deborah A Brungard , "draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006793c0057f1bf3dd" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 15:08:32 -0000 --0000000000006793c0057f1bf3dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Loa, et al., I'm not aware of any IPR related to draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg. Regards, Greg On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:31 PM Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, authors, > > We have started to prepare the the draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg > for working group adoption, prior to the wgap we need to do an IPR poll. > > This mail starts this IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang- > cfg? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > There no IPR disclosures against draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > /Loa > mpls wg co-chair > > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > --0000000000006793c0057f1bf3dd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=C2=A0Loa, et al.,
I'm not aware of any IPR rela= ted to draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg.

Regards= ,
Greg

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:31 PM Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group, authors,

We have started to prepare the the draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg
for working group adoption, prior to the wgap we need to do an IPR poll.
This mail starts this IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang- cfg?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

There no IPR disclosures against draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.


/Loa
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Malis" Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 10:11:44 -0500 Message-ID: To: Stewart Bryant Cc: RFC Errata System , loa@pi.se, rhthomas@cisco.com, "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS)" , Alvaro Retana , Martin Vigoureux , Loa Andersson , Nicolai Leymann , mpls@ietf.org, ramakrishnadtv@gmail.com, inaminei=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org, Ina Minei Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bb0df2057f1bffc5" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5036 (5597) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 15:11:58 -0000 --000000000000bb0df2057f1bffc5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I believe that the original text is correct. The intent is that repeated setup attempts are delayed at least by 15 seconds and up to a maximum delay that's at least 2 minutes (the actual maximum is at the discretion of the implementation). I agree with Stewart that this is outside an errata scope, and requires a consensus RFC if a change is warranted. I've updated Ina's email address. I also removed Bob's old email address, as he's left Cisco and I don't have an updated address for him. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:33 AM Stewart Bryant wrote: > I think that technically that is a technical change to the RFC, and so > is outside the scope of an Errata. > > Whatever the original intent, the original text say that it must grow to > at least 2 minutes. I don't think we can just change it to be a maximum > of 2 minutes without going through the consensus process with an, albeit > very short, RFC. > > - Stewart > > > On 10/01/2019 10:31, RFC Errata System wrote: > > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5036, > > "LDP Specification". > > > > -------------------------------------- > > You may review the report below and at: > > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5597 > > > > -------------------------------------- > > Type: Editorial > > Reported by: Ramakrishna Rao DTV > > > > Section: 2.5.3 > > > > Original Text > > ------------- > > The session establishment setup attempt following a NAK'd > > Initialization message MUST be delayed no less than 15 seconds, and > > subsequent delays MUST grow to a maximum delay of no less than 2 > > minutes. The specific session establishment action that must be > > delayed is the attempt to open the session transport connection by > > the LSR playing the active role. > > > > > > Corrected Text > > -------------- > > The session establishment setup attempt following a NAK'd > > Initialization message MUST be delayed no less than 15 seconds, and > > subsequent delays MUST grow to a maximum delay of no more than 2 > > minutes. The specific session establishment action that must be > > delayed is the attempt to open the session transport connection by > > the LSR playing the active role. > > > > > > Notes > > ----- > > In the 3rd line, "less" is changed to "more". > > > > The intention is to cap the maximum delay. But the existing text implies > no cap > > essentially. > > > > Instructions: > > ------------- > > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > > > -------------------------------------- > > RFC5036 (draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04) > > -------------------------------------- > > Title : LDP Specification > > Publication Date : October 2007 > > Author(s) : L. Andersson, Ed., I. Minei, Ed., B. Thomas, Ed. > > Category : DRAFT STANDARD > > Source : Multiprotocol Label Switching > > Area : Routing > > Stream : IETF > > Verifying Party : IESG > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --000000000000bb0df2057f1bffc5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I believe that the original text is correct. The intent is= that repeated setup attempts are delayed at least by 15 seconds and up to = a maximum delay that's at least 2 minutes (the actual maximum is at the= discretion of the implementation).

I agree with Stewart= that this is outside an errata scope, and requires a consensus RFC if a ch= ange is warranted.

I've updated Ina's emai= l address. I also removed Bob's old email address, as he's left Cis= co and I don't have an updated address for him.

Cheers,
Andy


On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:33 AM Stewart Bryant <= stewart.bryan= t@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that technically that is a technical change to the RFC, = and so
is outside the scope of an Errata.

Whatever the original intent, the original text say that it must grow to at least 2 minutes. I don't think we can just change it to be a maximum=
of 2 minutes without going through the consensus process with an, albeit very short, RFC.

- Stewart


On 10/01/2019 10:31, RFC Errata System wrote:
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5036,
> "LDP Specification".
>
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5597
>
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Editorial
> Reported by: Ramakrishna Rao DTV <ramakrishnadtv@gmail.com>
>
> Section: 2.5.3
>
> Original Text
> -------------
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The session establishment setup attempt following a= NAK'd
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Initialization message MUST be delayed no less than= 15 seconds, and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0subsequent delays MUST grow to a maximum delay of n= o less than 2
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0minutes.=C2=A0 The specific session establishment a= ction that must be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0delayed is the attempt to open the session transpor= t connection by
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the LSR playing the active role.
>
>
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The session establishment setup attempt following a= NAK'd
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Initialization message MUST be delayed no less than= 15 seconds, and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0subsequent delays MUST grow to a maximum delay of n= o more than 2
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0minutes.=C2=A0 The specific session establishment a= ction that must be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0delayed is the attempt to open the session transpor= t connection by
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the LSR playing the active role.
>
>
> Notes
> -----
> In the 3rd line, "less" is changed to "more".
>
> The intention is to cap the maximum delay. But the existing text impli= es no cap
> essentially.
>
> Instructions:
> -------------
> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary= , please
> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or<= br> > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party
> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.
>
> --------------------------------------
> RFC5036 (draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04)
> --------------------------------------
> Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: LDP Spec= ification
> Publication Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 : October 2007
> Author(s)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: L. Andersson, Ed.,= I. Minei, Ed., B. Thomas, Ed.
> Category=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : DRAFT STANDARD
> Source=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Multiprotocol= Label Switching
> Area=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Routing<= br> > Stream=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : IETF
> Verifying Party=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: IESG
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Malis" Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 10:20:17 -0500 Message-ID: To: Stewart Bryant Cc: RFC Errata System , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS)" , Alvaro Retana , Martin Vigoureux , Loa Andersson , Nicolai Leymann , mpls@ietf.org, ramakrishnadtv@gmail.com, inaminei=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org, Ina Minei Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000563d79057f1c1ec5" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5036 (5597) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 15:20:35 -0000 --000000000000563d79057f1c1ec5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Loa's email address was also incorrect. So I'm resending with a corrected address for him. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 10:11 AM Andrew G. Malis wrote: > I believe that the original text is correct. The intent is that repeated > setup attempts are delayed at least by 15 seconds and up to a maximum delay > that's at least 2 minutes (the actual maximum is at the discretion of the > implementation). > > I agree with Stewart that this is outside an errata scope, and requires a > consensus RFC if a change is warranted. > > I've updated Ina's email address. I also removed Bob's old email address, > as he's left Cisco and I don't have an updated address for him. > > Cheers, > Andy > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:33 AM Stewart Bryant > wrote: > >> I think that technically that is a technical change to the RFC, and so >> is outside the scope of an Errata. >> >> Whatever the original intent, the original text say that it must grow to >> at least 2 minutes. I don't think we can just change it to be a maximum >> of 2 minutes without going through the consensus process with an, albeit >> very short, RFC. >> >> - Stewart >> >> >> On 10/01/2019 10:31, RFC Errata System wrote: >> > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5036, >> > "LDP Specification". >> > >> > -------------------------------------- >> > You may review the report below and at: >> > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5597 >> > >> > -------------------------------------- >> > Type: Editorial >> > Reported by: Ramakrishna Rao DTV >> > >> > Section: 2.5.3 >> > >> > Original Text >> > ------------- >> > The session establishment setup attempt following a NAK'd >> > Initialization message MUST be delayed no less than 15 seconds, and >> > subsequent delays MUST grow to a maximum delay of no less than 2 >> > minutes. The specific session establishment action that must be >> > delayed is the attempt to open the session transport connection by >> > the LSR playing the active role. >> > >> > >> > Corrected Text >> > -------------- >> > The session establishment setup attempt following a NAK'd >> > Initialization message MUST be delayed no less than 15 seconds, and >> > subsequent delays MUST grow to a maximum delay of no more than 2 >> > minutes. The specific session establishment action that must be >> > delayed is the attempt to open the session transport connection by >> > the LSR playing the active role. >> > >> > >> > Notes >> > ----- >> > In the 3rd line, "less" is changed to "more". >> > >> > The intention is to cap the maximum delay. But the existing text >> implies no cap >> > essentially. >> > >> > Instructions: >> > ------------- >> > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please >> > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or >> > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party >> > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. >> > >> > -------------------------------------- >> > RFC5036 (draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04) >> > -------------------------------------- >> > Title : LDP Specification >> > Publication Date : October 2007 >> > Author(s) : L. Andersson, Ed., I. Minei, Ed., B. Thomas, Ed. >> > Category : DRAFT STANDARD >> > Source : Multiprotocol Label Switching >> > Area : Routing >> > Stream : IETF >> > Verifying Party : IESG >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > mpls mailing list >> > mpls@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpls mailing list >> mpls@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >> > --000000000000563d79057f1c1ec5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loa's email address was also incorrect. So I'm res= ending with a corrected address for him.

Cheers,
Andy


On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 10:11 AM Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe that th= e original text is correct. The intent is that repeated setup attempts are = delayed at least by 15 seconds and up to a maximum delay that's at leas= t 2 minutes (the actual maximum is at the discretion of the implementation)= .

I agree with Stewart that this is outside an errata sc= ope, and requires a consensus RFC if a change is warranted.

<= /div>
I've updated Ina's email address. I also removed Bob'= s old email address, as he's left Cisco and I don't have an updated= address for him.

Cheers,
Andy


On Thu, Ja= n 10, 2019 at 9:33 AM Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that technicall= y that is a technical change to the RFC, and so
is outside the scope of an Errata.

Whatever the original intent, the original text say that it must grow to at least 2 minutes. I don't think we can just change it to be a maximum=
of 2 minutes without going through the consensus process with an, albeit very short, RFC.

- Stewart


On 10/01/2019 10:31, RFC Errata System wrote:
> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5036,
> "LDP Specification".
>
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5597
>
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Editorial
> Reported by: Ramakrishna Rao DTV <ramakrishnadtv@gmail.com>
>
> Section: 2.5.3
>
> Original Text
> -------------
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The session establishment setup attempt following a= NAK'd
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Initialization message MUST be delayed no less than= 15 seconds, and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0subsequent delays MUST grow to a maximum delay of n= o less than 2
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0minutes.=C2=A0 The specific session establishment a= ction that must be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0delayed is the attempt to open the session transpor= t connection by
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the LSR playing the active role.
>
>
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The session establishment setup attempt following a= NAK'd
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Initialization message MUST be delayed no less than= 15 seconds, and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0subsequent delays MUST grow to a maximum delay of n= o more than 2
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0minutes.=C2=A0 The specific session establishment a= ction that must be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0delayed is the attempt to open the session transpor= t connection by
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the LSR playing the active role.
>
>
> Notes
> -----
> In the 3rd line, "less" is changed to "more".
>
> The intention is to cap the maximum delay. But the existing text impli= es no cap
> essentially.
>
> Instructions:
> -------------
> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary= , please
> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or<= br> > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party
> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary.
>
> --------------------------------------
> RFC5036 (draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04)
> --------------------------------------
> Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: LDP Spec= ification
> Publication Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 : October 2007
> Author(s)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: L. Andersson, Ed.,= I. Minei, Ed., B. Thomas, Ed.
> Category=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : DRAFT STANDARD
> Source=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Multiprotocol= Label Switching
> Area=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Routing<= br> > Stream=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : IETF
> Verifying Party=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: IESG
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The specific session establishment action that must be delayed is the attempt to open the session transport connection by the LSR playing the active role. Corrected Text -------------- The session establishment setup attempt following a NAK'd Initialization message MUST be delayed no less than 15 seconds, and subsequent delays MUST grow to a maximum delay of no more than 2 minutes. The specific session establishment action that must be delayed is the attempt to open the session transport connection by the LSR playing the active role. Notes ----- In the 3rd line, "less" is changed to "more". The intention is to cap the maximum delay. But the existing text implies no cap essentially. --VERIFIER NOTES-- This change is a technical change as it changes from no cap to a cap of 2 minutes. This request needs to go via the consensus process (e.g. RFC). -------------------------------------- RFC5036 (draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3036bis-04) -------------------------------------- Title : LDP Specification Publication Date : October 2007 Author(s) : L. Andersson, Ed., I. Minei, Ed., B. Thomas, Ed. 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mpls@ietf.org Message-ID: <154723997536.21974.12365792728867106516@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:52:55 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-rmr-09.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:52:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG of the IETF. Title : Resilient MPLS Rings Authors : Kireeti Kompella Luis M. Contreras Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-rmr-09.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2019-01-11 Abstract: This document describes the use of the MPLS control and data planes on ring topologies. It describes the special nature of rings, and proceeds to show how MPLS can be effectively used in such topologies. It describes how MPLS rings are configured, auto-discovered and signaled, as well as how the data plane works. Companion documents describe the details of discovery and signaling for specific protocols. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Jan 12 10:51:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F24130E74; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:51:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6IPD91rJ_wiX; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta5.iomartmail.com (mta5.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7438712E04D; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (vs3.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.124]) by mta5.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x0CIpWHp008284; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:51:32 GMT Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2C92203A; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:51:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.249]) by vs3.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1852622032; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:51:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V ([87.112.189.92]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x0CIpVLB029613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:51:31 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Mach Chen'" , Cc: , , References: <000901d4a53a$0e619770$2b24c650$@olddog.co.uk> <000f01d4a6ce$d8554e10$88ffea30$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:51:28 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <04c801d4aaa7$d4317b60$7c947220$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-gb Thread-Index: AQHy0Tq7EDt6eY0U8sxunbaewJUSUQHg0tjtAOhd3qcBu3EYmwK0MzCOpTXJxGA= X-Originating-IP: 87.112.189.92 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-24360.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--30.422-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--30.422-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-24360.002 X-TMASE-Result: 10--30.422000-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: IeZYkn8zfFrxIbpQ8BhdbOYAh37ZsBDCnbR1KGab5Xlp3/r/gb/Q5ZGc Qk4/oIgCqIJU00xa6xZHxWj8rW8w/Um3PFovGG1bpkIW3Gref30hHWssEmb8zigMxnfFXjiIqKE gwCKqpo5HkoFjm6yfTDioavvsM3UNMhK/Mvp6ur58Uw4r8ep8BnnL427v8Q46ut/GVGOoEncHp0 NL2T9z8qxtAmxiR/cNV6GSaQ0yJ1+f8qK5CV5AhZYsKSXWWrsHmX+W7bzPOQEJW4Re2U2py9UED 5zMo8EeFpeo9dvWKT7ft8R1U84oFuZjzigd9qyQ7TLIvnWov9Ei/w4Q6YSaRwv/nTOPQovsV0oz Yx6Zbm+PSH7AaeZxeLaaqFPbTSf+/ZNpyV8TXRpChh9tipPSP2XJWgdATYa0Vz8J52OVy+SZCvk c8xHjBe27Bb6umoBgLo71/PyyUhdJqJ19um84KLCvlllU7Dl1tDSfcMR+7ZNPtLhlThdPENE8H0 N6u+vtxGKvhS07PvZtZc9+buoREx8sKfBUK4IVaDCzqDR7DPaiJ9livTRDfM3J+h/wWLV9Xa2+z E1cP+VwZfGMXF9nfaGYTPMzwYPa7K35r0y1/55joaO27r+3ffZpw431D6ueeNDQ2odiEiGDQFG1 xKiDYS9GkH2Y4EJGClW3pjkXhl05clR/IzUrTYsKNaNh88CQbd6rGhWOAwTagsZM0qVv1yvWkSt 7PnRMsd1IBMpcqUCPI2mjAzqamwKVP1EUmtp5g2gX/Emjy1QU/rbDiDYaoxFT6ltzclWN8kgeyY 1buLPGZf0zVzr3Fh8oz5BPysqkxI3ubef2WTGeAiCmPx4NwFkMvWAuahr8ooPRqITj5zgFdbsG+ ieXxwtuKBGekqUpPjKoPgsq7cA= X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-04.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:51:45 -0000 Hi, Thanks for continuing this thread. I hope that by having our discussion = we can arrive at a solution acceptable to us both. > I am still thinking that this may not just be an implementation = problem. Looking=20 > though the draft again, I feel that the draft will benefit by adding = more > clarification text.=20 > > For example, I found the following text (Section 6). This paragraph = seems the > only "formal" processing rule on the SPI/SI label for the swapping = case.=20 > >" =20 > o When a component of the SFC system processes a packet it uses the > SPI Label to identify the SFP and the SI Label to determine to > which SFF or instance of an SF (an SFI) to deliver the packet. > Under normal circumstances (with the exception of branching and > reclassification - see [I-D.ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane]) the > SPI Label value is preserved on all packets. The SI Label value > is modified by SFFs and through reclassification to indicate the > next hop along the SFP. >" > > What does the component refer to (classifier, SFF or SF) ? Can it be = an SF? > If so, what is the processing rule? It seems imply that the SF should = be SPI/SI=20 > aware, the SPI/SI cannot be swapped, popped off. Otherwise the = mechanisms > defined in this document will not work.=20 But this is *exactly* the way the issue is described for the NSH. If the SF is NSH-aware, the NSH is not stripped and the SF processes it. = If the SF is not NSH-aware, then a proxy strips the NSH and reimposes it = after the SF has completed processing. The NSH contains the SPI which is preserved on every packet, and the SI = which is modified as the packet progresses. This processing is mirrored exactly using the two MPLS labels. > The last sentence says that "The SI Label value is modified by SFFs", = when > does a SFF modify the SI Label value? For example, before sending the = > packet to an SF or after being received from an SF? This is not clear = in the > current draft but. The example section gives some hint on this, that's = one=20 > of the reasons that I think some of the content should be defined as = formal > procedures. Well, the full sentence is "The SI Label value is modified by SFFs and = through reclassification to indicate the next hop along the SFP." That = means that the SI is modified by the SFF when it needs to forward the = packet to the next hop. And thus we must ask "what constitutes a hop in = an SFC?" The answer to that is that each SFI is a hop, and we can follow = the logic (both from RFC 7665 and RFC 8300, and from this draft). The = packet is classified and the SFC header (MPLS labels or NSH) is added = with SI indicating the first SF to execute. The packet is sent to the = SFF which delivers it to the SI, then the packet is returned to the SFF = which prepares it for the next hop (which may be another local or remote = SFI). That should be obvious, IMHO, to anyone familiar with RFC 7665 and RFC = 8300. We could add some text, but I believe it is already clear with an = understanding of SFC. In general, I am not opposed to adding clarifications to drafts: if = someone has a question, then it is worth making sure that subsequent = readers don't have identical questions. But here I think we would be = encroaching on the definitions from the SFC working group, and we = shouldn't go further. > In addition, section 8: >" > When an SFF receives a packet containing an MPLS label stack, it > checks whether it is processing an {SFP, SI} label pair for label > swapping or a {context label, SFI index} label pair for label > stacking. It then selects the appropriate SFI to which to send the > packet. When it receives the packet back from the SFI, it has four > cases to consider. > > o If the current hop requires an {SFP, SI} and the next hop = requires > an {SFP, SI}, it sets the SI label to the SI value of the current > hop, selects an instance of the SF to be executed at the next = hop, > and tunnels the packet to the SFF for that SFI. > > o If the current hop requires an {SFP, SI} and the next hop = requires > a {context label, SFI label}, it pops the {SFP, SI} from the top > of the MPLS label stack and tunnels the packet to the SFF > indicated by the context label. >" > > How does an SFF determine "the current hop requires an {SFP, SI} > and the next hop requires an {SFP, SI}" or "the current hop requires > an {SFP, SI} and the next hop requires a {context label, SFI label} ? How the devices are programmed (e.g., a control plane or management = plane) is out of scope. So, for example, you might have some hops that = use NSH and some that use MPLS (I'm not saying this is a good idea) and = the SFF would need to swap between the two encodings, but how the SFF = knows this is out of scope of this document. = Draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane provides a way of doing this, but = we didn't want to require that protocol mechanism (much though we love = this to be *the* solution). > Should the "it sets the SI label to the SI value of the current hop,=20 > selects an instance of the SF to be executed at the next hop" be=20 > changed to " it selects an instance of the SF to be executed at > the next hop, sets the SI label to the SI value of the next hop"? > The SI label should be set to next hop, right? Yes, I think you're right about that confusion. Thanks for catching it. Best, Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 5:21 AM > To: Mach Chen ; rtg-ads@ietf.org > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-sfc.all@ietf.org > Subject: RE: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-04.txt >=20 > Hmmm, I think we may disagree on this =E2=98=B9 >=20 > I'd ask the WG chairs and AD (especially as the review is for the = benefit of the > AD) to guide the authors. >=20 > IMHO it is not the place of an IETF spec to tell people how to = implement > unless the implementation changes the resultant behaviour on the wire. > From my perspective, this document tells the implementer what = black-box > behaviour is expected: i.e. what result receiving a packet should = have, and > what packets to generate. >=20 > We could describe how to implement, but I can't see how that would be > normative. And I think there are plenty of ways to achieve the = required > behaviour in an optimised way (for example, performing dual-label = access). > We provided section 14 to give guidance that implementation using = existing > hardware could be possible, but we didn't want to imply that this was = *the* > way to implement. >=20 > Best, > Adrian >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mach Chen > Sent: 07 January 2019 03:52 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; rtg-ads@ietf.org > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-sfc.all@ietf.org > Subject: RE: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-04.txt >=20 > Hi Adrian, >=20 > Thanks for your reply! >=20 > See some response inline... >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 5:03 AM > > To: Mach Chen ; rtg-ads@ietf.org > > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-mpls-sfc.all@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-04.txt > > > > Hi Mach, > > > > Thanks for your careful review. > > > > > Minor Issues: > > > * Section 13 says: > > > " > > > b. When the packet arrives at SFFa it strips any labels = associated > > > with the tunnel that runs from the classifier to SFFa. SFFa > > > examines the top labels and matches the SPI/SI to identify = that > > > the packet should be forwarded to SFa. The packet is = forwarded > > > to SFa unmodified. > > > > > > c. SFa performs its designated function and returns the packet = to > > > SFFa. > > > > > > d. SFFa modifies the SI in the lower label stack entry (to 254) = and > > > uses the SPI/SI to look up the forwarding instructions. It = sends > > > the packet with two label stack entries: > > >" > > > From above text, it seems that an SFF will have different process > > >for a > > packet that > > > has the same SPI/SI. > > > 1) if a packet is received from a previous SFF, it will match the > > > SPI/SI > > and determine > > > to where the packet will be sent. > > > 2) if a packet is received from an SF, it will directly modify = the > > > inner > > label, and then > > > by matching the new SPI/SI to determine to where the packet will = be > sent. > > > > > > Is this the intention ? If so, how does an SFF determine whether a > > > packet > > is from an > > > SFF or from SF? > > > > You have understood the processing correctly. > > In fact, the same situation exists with NSH processing: the SFF is > > expected to "know" whether the packet has arrived from the previous = SFF > or from the SF. > > > > There are probably two answers: > > Firstly, it is entirely possible that the SFF and SF are = co-resident. > > That is, they form part of the same implementation, possibly being > separated by an API. > > In this case, of course, the question does not arise. > > Secondly, it is reasonable to expect that the SFs are attached to = the > > SFF by dedicated tunnels or ports (indeed, SFs are port-attached in > > the legacy service function world) so that a packet arriving on a = line > > interface (from another SFF) is easily distinguished from one that > > arrives from an SF. (You might think about port-attached L3VPNs to = help > clarity how this could work). >=20 > If so, it's better to add some text to clarify this. Given the current = text, it > implies that it could be determined just by matching the SPI/SI. >=20 > > > > > In addition, how does an SFF apply the swap and/or pop operations = here. > > E.g., when an SFF looks up the SPI, > > > it matches an item in a local table; what operation (swap or pop) > > > will > > apply to the SPI label? According to " The > > > packet is forwarded to SFa unmodified." It seems implies that = there > > > is no > > any operation will be applied. If so, > > > this will not align with the MPLS. > > > > I think you should also look at this in the manner of a L3VPN. That > > is, the top label is popped to derive the context, the forwarding > > label is looked up within the context and swapped, and the context > > label is re-imposed as the packet is forwarded. > > > > Of course, there are optimisations on how an SFF might implement = this, > > but we don't need to describe those. What we know is that the = VPN-like > > approach can be made to work with existing PEs. >=20 > As above, it's better to add some text to make it clearer. >=20 > > > > > If the above issues exist, the " context/SF" case has the similar = issues. > > > > Hope I have explained why this is not an issue. > > > > Now, we could debate why we have not made these answers more clear = in > > the text. > > The first thing is that we are not trying to make any changes to the > > architecture used for NSH, so we did not feel we should go into > > explanations about how the SF/SFF relationship works. > > Additionally, we did not feel that (beyond the short section 14) we > > should tell people how to implement. The purpose of the document is = to > > describe wire formats. >=20 > IMHO, it may not be enough if just describing the wire formats, the > operations/process on the "formats" are necessary to make it an > implementable and interoperable protocol. >=20 > Although Section 13 is listed as a worked example, I personally think = that > they are necessary procedures. I'd suggest to change it to more = "formal" > section, e.g., Procedures. >=20 > Best regards, > Mach >=20 > > > > Best, > > Adrian From nobody Mon Jan 14 02:23:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00680130FDE; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 02:23:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154746138499.4723.15077463753172803273.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 02:23:04 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] The MPLS WG has placed draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg in state "Candidate for WG Adoption" X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 10:23:05 -0000 The MPLS WG has placed draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Loa Andersson) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg/ From nobody Tue Jan 15 00:10:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9849130DEA; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 00:10:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19Jjmul71XRy; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 00:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B4E2130DD8; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 00:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (unknown [119.94.174.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 368F01802AAA; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:10:37 +0100 (CET) From: Loa Andersson To: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-rmr@ietf.org" , Deborah A Brungard Message-ID: <1bf361f0-1987-ce4e-0671-d46886898e44@pi.nu> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 16:10:34 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-rmr X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 08:10:46 -0000 Working Group, This is to initiate a two week working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-rmr. 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This working group last call ends Wednesday January 30, 2019. /Loa mpls wg co-chair -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Tue Jan 15 06:21:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F26B129C6A; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 06:21:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zrAXTg6r_G6Y; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 06:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt1-x830.google.com (mail-qt1-x830.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::830]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EF4A129BBF; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 06:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt1-x830.google.com with SMTP id p17so3095503qtl.5; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 06:21:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=b3SQ1qxloa59Hj4Rc1ZXJVoqW/sZIZ/SS/rPfy4zhzw=; b=bJSOqHnwNSLssYAsE6746b2YP71zhfWNn5PIRtMMWV9lLt1rP3Y8bEDaFzcny6QzeA f4HTEK04UU5giaR6fiWE+XFK4MZteNKIrTTqMR9v+MUxZrDnrJ1QNmxMxQg9TveYWeOt s8/nOpcCNULZ9z7JQpd4pktl69l3ggjGvqnb2rifN1z6tj+X6GY7moS61YK45cc64gE+ E9topuu3SKjo3Hg1DNcp3HT7/DYzNsxoX3Em96UFoZW+RFpyCEbPRwLxlUkpSEUKj4Jp vh5PKW4Zv8SIGdbdTj2silHU2ua0Dj14VWjEIuJNXuCNm/j3v7mujH4PQP0LD3Vbq7KH B4BQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=b3SQ1qxloa59Hj4Rc1ZXJVoqW/sZIZ/SS/rPfy4zhzw=; b=p6Wf2Dq7xtRvzI9w+FfZzL9g774yFiCde4Lwa/ZD4YjNHZPBRaJZzltw7RS0TBHSET +FwcuI//4CrsLltgl44h+BhC8hMEv58UTVYpnO4IlKcemuTWXI9JTA5x4mL9vHcP/j/a QI3gIx2HdOdQkVIkXQ8NEe3UveF8IijskGIP/yOfBHU2Le1WiSJ29X+nBPK1+eFN5xn0 OmgSrB7H2RFvgqMvxGw542EMOSoeQBZ1kW9ec5Jayy93vkuFHbCZzwiIdtvGipbud+8s QzmunS1kMFb6nhR37CrF2E/fT/nS60FpOKB+KpYb+3AXizxBDuKsKxiTJgmcspWvL5S3 mKIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukdTu/JHnhzMMgTxRbJKAh1tSr5xDFaCwiBOUPB2QgLrGMHEYzQu shv3GEGNBZ1rIxJ09qiaDEiJP4ZF6G6VHzjsIrY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN4NGNVCIiU44banEcKGje4pJoGSqCls2UVNq4U8ap9jou17TQMaWSgM38X7Xl3vfzaqqc+vqTbOjBJd26y2O5A= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:c192:: with SMTP id n18mr2946502qvh.99.1547562103392; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 06:21:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1bf361f0-1987-ce4e-0671-d46886898e44@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <1bf361f0-1987-ce4e-0671-d46886898e44@pi.nu> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:21:32 -0500 Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-rmr@ietf.org" , Deborah A Brungard Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000070cf49057f7fe160" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls-rmr X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:21:46 -0000 --00000000000070cf49057f7fe160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Loa, This draft and its predecessor have been through a lot of rounds of comments and revisions over the past 4 years. I think it's more than ready for publication. Cheers, Andy On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:11 AM Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > This is to initiate a two week working group last call on > draft-ietf-mpls-rmr. > > Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). > > There are no IPR disclosures directly against draft-ietf-mpls-rmr, but > an IPR (#2661) were disclosed against the individual document that we > adopted as a working group document. > > Both authors have stated on the working group mailing list that they > are unaware of any non-disclosed IPRs that relates to this document. > > This working group last call ends Wednesday January 30, 2019. > > /Loa > mpls wg co-chair > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --00000000000070cf49057f7fe160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loa,

This draft and its predecessor hav= e been through a lot of rounds of comments and revisions over the past 4 ye= ars. I think it's more than ready for publication.

=
Cheers,
Andy


On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 3:11 AM Loa Andersson &l= t;loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group,

This is to initiate a two week working group last call on
draft-ietf-mpls-rmr.

Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

There are no IPR disclosures directly against draft-ietf-mpls-rmr, but
an IPR (#2661) were disclosed against the individual document that we
adopted as a working group document.

Both authors have stated on the working group mailing list that they
are unaware of any non-disclosed IPRs that relates to this document.

This working group last call ends Wednesday January 30, 2019.

/Loa
mpls wg co-chair
--


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X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: mpls@ietf.org, db3546@att.com, mpls-chairs@ietf.org, Loa Andersson , draft-ietf-mpls-sfc@ietf.org, loa@pi.nu Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Message-ID: <154775476880.10396.17928468056341396716.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 11:52:48 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] Last Call: (An MPLS-Based Forwarding Plane for Service Function Chaining) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:52:49 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG (mpls) to consider the following document: - 'An MPLS-Based Forwarding Plane for Service Function Chaining' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2019-01-31. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract Service Function Chaining (SFC) is the process of directing packets through a network so that they can be acted on by an ordered set of abstract service functions before being delivered to the intended destination. An architecture for SFC is defined in RFC7665. The Network Service Header (NSH) can be inserted into packets to steer them along a specific path to realize a Service Function Chain. Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) is a widely deployed forwarding technology that uses labels placed in a packet in a label stack to identify the forwarding actions to be taken at each hop through a network. Actions may include swapping or popping the labels as well, as using the labels to determine the next hop for forwarding the packet. Labels may also be used to establish the context under which the packet is forwarded. This document describes how Service Function Chaining can be achieved in an MPLS network by means of a logical representation of the NSH in an MPLS label stack. It does not deprecate or replace the NSH, but acknowledges that there may be a need for an interim deployment of SFC functionality in brownfield networks. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-sfc/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-sfc/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:39:02 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG of the IETF. Title : Signaling RSVP-TE tunnels on a shared MPLS forwarding plane Authors : Harish Sitaraman Vishnu Pavan Beeram Tejal Parikh Tarek Saad Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels-08.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2019-01-18 Abstract: As the scale of MPLS RSVP-TE networks has grown, so the number of Label Switched Paths (LSPs) supported by individual network elements has increased. Various implementation recommendations have been proposed to manage the resulting increase in control plane state. However, those changes have had no effect on the number of labels that a transit Label Switching Router (LSR) has to support in the forwarding plane. That number is governed by the number of LSPs transiting or terminated at the LSR and is directly related to the total LSP state in the control plane. This document defines a mechanism to prevent the maximum size of the label space limit on an LSR from being a constraint to control plane scaling on that node. It introduces the notion of pre-installed 'per Traffic Engineering (TE) link labels' that can be shared by MPLS RSVP-TE LSPs that traverse these TE links. This approach significantly reduces the forwarding plane state required to support a large number of LSPs. This couples the feature benefits of the RSVP-TE control plane with the simplicity of the Segment Routing MPLS forwarding plane. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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We just uploaded a new rev (-08) for this draft. Please do go through the diffs ( https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels-08) and let us know if all your comments have been addressed. Regards, Pavan (on behalf of the authors) On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:18 AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > Alvaro, Hi! > > > > Please see inline (prefixed [Pavan]). > > > > Regards, > > Pavan > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:06 AM Alvaro Retana > wrote: > >> On December 20, 2018 at 7:15:52 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram ( >> vishnupavan@gmail.com) wrote: >> >> Pavan: >> >> Hi! >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> DISCUSS: >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> A significant portion of this specification depends on knowing the labe= l >>> stack >>> depth limits in the network, but =C2=A75.2 declares the mechanism out o= f >>> scope: >>> >>> In order to accurately pick >>> the delegation hops, the ingress needs to be aware of the label stac= k >>> depth push limit of each of the transit LSRs prior to initiating the >>> signaling sequence. The mechanism by which the ingress or controlle= r >>> (hosting the path computation element) learns this information is >>> outside the scope of this document. >>> >>> I think that not defining the mechanism in this document is ok -- but n= ot >>> having one means that important parts of this specification can't work. >>> Please >>> point at where such a mechanism is specified, or at least provide >>> examples. >>> >>> The Shepherd's writeup says that "implementation plans and >>> implementations" are >>> known so I think that this should be an easy point to address. >>> >>> >>> >> [VPB] The specification discusses a couple of delegation options -- the >> explicit delegation option (Section 5.2) and the automatic delegation >> option (Section 5.3). The explicit delegation option is the only one tha= t >> needs the ingress or the controller to be aware of the label stack depth >> push limit of each of the transit LSRs prior to signaling. This informat= ion >> is not needed when the automatic delegation option is employed -- the >> limitations of each transit node are taken into account while picking th= e >> delegation hops during the initial signaling sequence. >> >> >> >> For the explicit delegation option, an implementation may choose to >> employ any of the following mechanisms to learn the label stack depth pu= sh >> limit of each LSR in the network -- ISIS (RFC8491), OSPF (RFC8476), >> BGP-LS (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd), PCEP >> (draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing), local config (just set a global limit)= , >> netconf/restconf/grpc using the data-model specified in >> draft-ietf-teas-yang-sr-te-topo. >> >> >> >> Please see if the addition of the following statement to the end of the >> first paragraph in Section 5.2 addresses your concern: >> >> >> >> "Examples of such a mechanism are specified in RFC8491 and RFC8476." >> >> These are fine examples, and they would satisfy the point above. >> >> However, they raise an additional one. rfc8491 has a very specific >> definition of what the Base MPLS Imposition MSD is, but that definition = may >> not match what is discussed here. The intent may be the same, but the t= ext >> is different, and given the extensive discussion prior to the publicatio= n >> of rfc8491, I want to make sure that we are in fact talking about the sa= me >> thing: "label stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D doesn=E2=80=99t directly m= ap to "the total >> number of MPLS labels that can be imposed, including all >> service/transport/special labels=E2=80=9D [rfc8491]. I note that this d= ocument >> specifically mentions just transport labels. >> >> If the definition of the BMI-MSD is what is expected in this document, >> please explicitly say so. If not, then I think that we would need to >> define a new MSD-Type for the suggestions above to be applicable. >> > [Pavan] The =E2=80=9Clabel stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D is the same as= what is referred > to as the BMI-MSD in RFC8491. We will make that explicit. > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> COMMENT: >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> (1) =C2=A75.3.1: "The ETLD MUST be decremented at each non-delegation t= ransit >>> hop by >>> either 1 or some appropriate number based on the limitations at that >>> hop." >>> What is "some appropriate number"? Please be specific. Can you provid= e >>> an >>> example? >>> >> >> [VPB] We did discuss this during the WG adoption poll. The option to >> decrement the ETLD by "some appropriate number" was added to let the >> transit hop cater to the scenario where the ETLD value in the received P= ATH >> message is larger than the maximum number of labels in the stack that th= e >> hop can handle. In other words, the "limitations at that hop" reference = in >> the text above need not be limited to just the "push limitation", it cou= ld >> include the "read limitation" as well. Consider a transit hop that can r= ead >> only 6 labels and has a local policy that mandates it to not receive any >> more transport labels in the stack than it can possibly read. If this ho= p >> receives an ETLD of 8 from the previous-hop, then it could adjust the >> outgoing ETLD to 5 (thus ensuring that it can never receive any more >> label-stack-entries than it can actually read). >> >> It would be great if you added an explanation like that in the document. >> > [Pavan] Okay. We=E2=80=99ll add that. > > >> >> ... >> >> (4) =C2=A79.2: "When a node that does not cater to the mandate receives = a Path >>> message carrying the LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES object with this flag set, >>> it MUST >>> send a PathErr message..." Why would a node "not cater to the >>> mandate"? I >>> imagine one instance being simply that the node doesn't support the >>> behavior >>> specified in this document. This document can't specify the behavior o= f >>> a node >>> that doesn't know what the new behavior is. If there are other reasons >>> for not >>> complying, please be explicit. >>> >> >> [VPB] There is a distinction that is being drawn here between an >> implementation that doesn=E2=80=99t understand this flag and an implemen= tation that >> understands this flag but chooses not to cater to it (local policy). In = the >> former scenario, it goes without saying that the regular processing rule= s >> for LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES come into play ( >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5420#page-11). The text quoted above is >> for the latter scenario. A transit node may support both regular RSVP-TE >> LSPs and Segment Routed RSVP-TE LSPs. Local policy may determine if the >> node should cater to both types or just one type. >> >> >> >> Please see if the following change makes things clear: >> >> >> >> OLD: >> >> When a node that does not cater to the mandate >> >> receives a Path message carrying the LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES object >> >> with this flag set, it MUST send a PathErr message with an error code >> >> of 'Routing Problem (24)' and an error value of 'TE link label usage >> >> failure (TBD3)'. >> >> >> >> NEW: >> >> When a node that recognizes this flag but does not cater to the >> mandate >> >> receives a Path message carrying the LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES object >> >> with this flag set, it MUST send a PathErr message with an error code >> >> of 'Routing Problem (24)' and an error value of 'TE link label usage >> >> failure (TBD3)'. >> >> >> >> ** >> >> I think it would be clearer if you mentioned the reason in the text: >> local policy. Maybe s/does not cater/does not cater because of local po= licy >> > [Pavan] Agree. We=E2=80=99ll make the suggested change. > >> >> (4a) Note that =C2=A79.4 uses a similar construct: "If the hop is not ab= le to >>> comply >>> with this mandate...", which implies that there may be a reason other >>> than not >>> supporting the functionality. Here as well, what are examples of >>> reasons for >>> the node not being able to comply? >>> >> >> [VPB] The previous response should have provided some clarity on this. >> Please note that as per 9.2, a node that recognizes the "TE Link Label" >> Attribute Flag MUST also recognize the other Attribute Flags defined in >> this document. Please see if the following change makes things clear: >> >> >> >> OLD: >> >> If the hop is not able to comply with this mandate, it >> >> MUST send a PathErr message with an error code of 'Routing Problem >> >> (24)' and an error value of 'Label stack imposition failure (TBD4)'. >> >> >> >> NEW: >> >> If the hop recognizes this flag but is not able to comply with this >> mandate, it >> >> MUST send a PathErr message with an error code of 'Routing Problem >> >> (24)' and an error value of 'Label stack imposition failure (TBD4)'. >> >> >> >> ** >> >> Again, mentioning the reason would make it clearer. >> > [Pavan] Okay. We=E2=80=99ll make the suggested change. > >> >> (5) =C2=A79.4: "If the transit hop does not support this flag, it MUST a= ct as >>> if it >>> does not support TE link labels." I'm not sure if this text refers to = a >>> node >>> not supporting this specification (see above), or to a neighbor of that >>> node. >>> In either case, what does "act as if it does not support TE link labels= " >>> mean? >>> How can "acting" be Normatively enforced? Does that mean that if the >>> node >>> supports this specification it must stop doing so (at least for the >>> LSP)? ?? >>> >> >> [VPB] This refers to a transit node that supports the "TE Link Label" >> Attribute flag but does not support the automatic delegation functionali= ty >> (it does recognize the flag though). Such nodes would support "TE Link >> Labels" as long as "automatic delegation" is not also requested. But if >> "automatic delegation" is also requested, they would act as if they don= =E2=80=99t >> support "TE Link Labels" and use regular labels. >> >> >> >> Would the following change make things clear? >> >> >> >> OLD: >> >> If the transit hop does not support this flag, it MUST act as if it does >> not support TE link labels >> >> >> >> NEW: >> >> If the transit hop does not support this flag, it MUST act as if it does >> not support TE link labels and use regular labels. >> >> ** >> >> Maybe s/support this flag/support this functionality >> >> I still think that =E2=80=9Cacting=E2=80=9D can=E2=80=99t be enforced. = Maybe s/MUST act as if it >> does not support TE link labels and use regular labels/MUST NOT use TE l= ink >> labels and use regular labels instead >> >> >> [Pavan] Okay. We=E2=80=99ll make the suggested change. > >> ... >> >> (5b) Note that the same phrase (act as if...) is also used in =C2=A75.3.= 1. >>> >> >> [VPB] The previous responses should have made this clear. >> >> See above=E2=80=A6 >> >> >> Thanks!! >> >> Alvaro. >> > --000000000000f28a33057fbbb20f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Alvaro, Hi!

We just uploaded a new rev (-08) for this draft. Please do go through the = diffs (https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-= shared-labels-08) and let us know if all your comments have been addres= sed.

Regards,
Pavan (on behalf of th= e authors)

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:18 AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote:=

Alvaro, Hi!

=C2=A0

Please see inline (prefixed [Pavan]).

=C2=A0

Regards,<= /p>

Pavan


On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 = at 8:06 AM Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
On December 20, 2018 at 7:15:52 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beer= am (vishnupavan@= gmail.com) wrote:

Pavan:

Hi!

----------------------= ------------------------------------------------
DISCUSS:
-----------= -----------------------------------------------------------

A signif= icant portion of this specification depends on knowing the label stack
d= epth limits in the network, but =C2=A75.2 declares the mechanism out of sco= pe:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0In order to accurately pick
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the del= egation hops, the ingress needs to be aware of the label stack
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0depth push limit of each of the transit LSRs prior to initiating the<= br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0signaling sequence.=C2=A0 The mechanism by which the ingres= s or controller
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(hosting the path computation element) lear= ns this information is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0outside the scope of this document.<= br>
I think that not defining the mechanism in this document is ok -- bu= t not
having one means that important parts of this specification can= 9;t work.=C2=A0 Please
point at where such a mechanism is specified, or = at least provide examples.

The Shepherd's writeup says that &quo= t;implementation plans and implementations" are
known so I think th= at this should be an easy point to address.


[VPB] The specification discusses a couple of delegation optio= ns -- the explicit delegation option (Section 5.2) and the automatic delega= tion option (Section 5.3). The explicit delegation option is the only one t= hat needs the ingress or the controller to be aware of the label stack dept= h push limit of each of the transit LSRs prior to signaling. This informati= on is not needed when the automatic delegation option is employed -- the li= mitations of each transit node are taken into account while picking the del= egation hops during the initial signaling sequence.

=C2=A0<= /span>

For the explicit delegation option, an implementation may = choose to employ any of the following mechanisms to learn the label stack d= epth push limit of each LSR in the network --=C2=A0=C2=A0ISIS (RFC8491), OSPF (RFC8476), BGP-LS (draft-ietf-idr= -bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd), PCEP (draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing), local = config (just set a global limit), netconf/restconf/grpc using the data-mode= l specified in draft-ietf-teas-yang-sr-te-topo.

=C2=A0

Please see if the addition of the following statement to the e= nd of the first paragraph in Section 5.2 addresses your concern:

=

= =C2=A0

"Examples of such a mechanism are specif= ied in RFC8491 and RFC8476."

=

These are fine = examples, and they would satisfy the point above.

However, they raise an additional one. =C2=A0rfc8491 has a v= ery specific definition of what the=C2=A0Base MPLS Imposition MSD is, but t= hat definition may not match what is discussed here.=C2=A0 The intent may b= e the same, but the text is different, and given the extensive discussion p= rior to the publication of rfc8491, I want to make sure that we are in fact= talking about the same thing: "label stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D = doesn=E2=80=99t directly map to "the total number of MPLS labels that = can be imposed, including all service/transport/special labels=E2=80=9D [rf= c8491].=C2=A0 I note that this document specifically mentions just transpor= t labels.

If the definition of the=C2= =A0BMI-MSD is what is expected in this document, please explicitly say so.= =C2=A0 If not, then I think that we would need to define a new MSD-Type for= the suggestions above to be applicable.

[Pavan] The =E2=80=9Clabel stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D is the same as what is referred to as the BMI-MSD= in RFC8491. We will make that explicit.


----------------------------------------------------= ------------------
COMMENT:
-----------------------------------------= -----------------------------

(1) =C2=A75.3.1: "The ETLD MUST b= e decremented at each non-delegation transit hop by
either 1 or some app= ropriate number based on the limitations at that hop."
What is &quo= t;some appropriate number"?=C2=A0 Please be specific.=C2=A0 Can you pr= ovide an
example?

[VPB] We did discu= ss this during the WG adoption poll. The option to decrement the ETLD by &q= uot;some appropriate number" was added to let the transit hop cater to= the scenario where the ETLD value in the received PATH message is larger t= han the maximum number of labels in the stack that the hop can handle. In o= ther words, the "limitations at that hop" reference in the text a= bove need not be limited to just the "push limitation", it could = include the "read limitation" as well. Consider a transit hop tha= t can read only 6 labels and has a local policy that mandates it to not rec= eive any more transport labels in the stack than it can possibly read. If t= his hop receives an ETLD of 8 from the previous-hop, then it could adjust t= he outgoing ETLD to 5 (thus ensuring that it can never receive any more lab= el-stack-entries than it can actually read).

<= /div>

It w= ould be great if you added an explanation like that in the document.=

[Pavan] Okay. We=E2=80=99ll add that.

=C2=A0
=

...
(4) =C2=A79.2: "When a node that does not cater= to the mandate receives a Path
message carrying the LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIB= UTES object with this flag set, it MUST
send a PathErr message..."= =C2=A0 Why would a node "not cater to the mandate"?=C2=A0 I
im= agine one instance being simply that the node doesn't support the behav= ior
specified in this document.=C2=A0 This document can't specify th= e behavior of a node
that doesn't know what the new behavior is.=C2= =A0 If there are other reasons for not
complying, please be explicit.

[VPB] There is a distinction that is bein= g drawn here between an implementation that doesn=E2=80=99t understand this= flag and an implementation that understands this flag but chooses not to c= ater to it (local policy). In the former scenario, it goes without saying t= hat the regular processing rules for LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES come into play= (https://tools.ietf= .org/html/rfc5420#page-11). The text quoted above is for the latter sce= nario. A transit node may support both regular RSVP-TE LSPs and Segment Rou= ted RSVP-TE LSPs. Local policy may determine if the node should cater to bo= th types or just one type.=C2=A0

= =C2=A0

Please see if the following change makes things cle= ar:

=C2=A0

OLD:

=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0When a node that does not cater t= o the mandate

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<= /span>receives a Path message carrying the LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES object

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0with this= flag set, it MUST send a PathErr message with an error code

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0of 'Routing Proble= m (24)' and an error value of 'TE link label usage

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0failure (TBD3)'.

=C2=A0

NEW:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0When a node that recognizes this flag but= does not cater to the mandate

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0receives a Path message carrying the LS= P_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES object

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0with this flag set, it MUST send a PathErr message wit= h an error code

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0of 'Routing Problem (24)' and an error value of 'TE l= ink label usage

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0failure (TBD3)'.

=C2=A0

**

= I think it would be clearer if you mentioned the r= eason in the text: local policy.=C2=A0 Maybe s/does not cater/does not cate= r because of local policy

[Pavan] Agree. We=E2=80=99ll make the suggested change.


(4a) Note that =C2=A79.4 uses a similar construct: &q= uot;If the hop is not able to comply
with this mandate...", which i= mplies that there may be a reason other than not
supporting the function= ality.=C2=A0 Here as well, what are examples of reasons for
the node not= being able to comply?

[VPB] The previo= us response should have provided some clarity on this. Please note that as = per 9.2, a node that recognizes the "TE Link Label" Attribute Fla= g MUST also recognize the other Attribute Flags defined in this document. P= lease see if the following change makes things clear:

=C2= =A0

OLD:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0If the hop is not able to comply with this mandate, it

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0MUST send = a PathErr message with an error code of 'Routing Problem

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0(24)' and an error= value of 'Label stack imposition failure (TBD4)'.

= =C2=A0

NEW:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0If the = hop recognizes this flag but is not able to comply with this mandate, it

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0MUST send a PathErr message with an error cod= e of 'Routing Problem

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0(24)' and an = error value of 'Label stack imposition failure (TBD4)'.

=C2=A0

**=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

Again, mentioning the reason would make it clearer.

<= /div>

[Pavan] Okay. We=E2=80=99ll make the suggested change.


(5) =C2=A79.4: "If the transit hop do= es not support this flag, it MUST act as if it
does not support TE link = labels."=C2=A0 I'm not sure if this text refers to a node
not s= upporting this specification (see above), or to a neighbor of that node.=C2= =A0
In either case, what does "act as if it does not support TE lin= k labels" mean?
How can "acting" be Normatively enforced?= =C2=A0 Does that mean that if the node
supports this specification it mu= st stop doing so (at least for the LSP)?=C2=A0 ??

=

[VPB] This refers to a transit node that supports the "TE L= ink Label" Attribute flag but does not support the automatic delegatio= n functionality (it does recognize the flag though). Such nodes would suppo= rt "TE Link Labels" as long as "automatic delegation" i= s not also requested. But if "automatic delegation" is also reque= sted, they would act as if they don=E2=80=99t support "TE Link Labels&= quot; and use regular labels.

=C2=A0

Would= the following change make things clear?

=C2=A0

OLD:

If the transit hop does not support this flag, it MUST= act as if it does not support TE link labels

=C2=A0

NEW:

<= span style=3D"color:black">If the transit hop does not support this flag, i= t MUST act as if it does not support TE link labels and use regular labels.=

**

Maybe s/support this flag/support this functionality

I still think that =E2=80=9Cacting=E2=80=9D can=E2=80= =99t be enforced.=C2=A0 Maybe s/MUST act as if it does not support TE link = labels and use regular labels/MUST NOT use TE link labels and use regular l= abels instead


[Pavan] Okay. We=E2=80=99ll make the sug= gested change.

...

=
=
(5b) Note that the same p= hrase (act as if...) is also used in =C2=A75.3.1.

=

[VPB] The previous responses should have made this clear.=C2=A0

See above=E2=80=A6


Thanks!!

Alvaro.

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Wed, 23 Jan 2019 13:52:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 13:52:58 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: <154508592591.4271.12094992121838897393.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 13:52:58 -0800 Message-ID: To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org, IETF MPLS List , draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels@ietf.org, The IESG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fcabb50580271d8a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 21:53:02 -0000 --000000000000fcabb50580271d8a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On January 18, 2019 at 8:43:42 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram ( vishnupavan@gmail.com) wrote: Pavan: Hi! We just uploaded a new rev (-08) for this draft. Please do go through the diffs ( https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels-08) and let us know if all your comments have been addressed. No, not completely. See below. ... >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> DISCUSS: >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> A significant portion of this specification depends on knowing the labe= l >>> stack >>> depth limits in the network, but =C2=A75.2 declares the mechanism out o= f >>> scope: >>> >>> In order to accurately pick >>> the delegation hops, the ingress needs to be aware of the label stac= k >>> depth push limit of each of the transit LSRs prior to initiating the >>> signaling sequence. The mechanism by which the ingress or controlle= r >>> (hosting the path computation element) learns this information is >>> outside the scope of this document. >>> >>> I think that not defining the mechanism in this document is ok -- but n= ot >>> having one means that important parts of this specification can't work. >>> Please >>> point at where such a mechanism is specified, or at least provide >>> examples. >>> >>> The Shepherd's writeup says that "implementation plans and >>> implementations" are >>> known so I think that this should be an easy point to address. >>> >>> >>> >> [VPB] The specification discusses a couple of delegation options -- the >> explicit delegation option (Section 5.2) and the automatic delegation >> option (Section 5.3). The explicit delegation option is the only one tha= t >> needs the ingress or the controller to be aware of the label stack depth >> push limit of each of the transit LSRs prior to signaling. This informat= ion >> is not needed when the automatic delegation option is employed -- the >> limitations of each transit node are taken into account while picking th= e >> delegation hops during the initial signaling sequence. >> >> >> >> For the explicit delegation option, an implementation may choose to >> employ any of the following mechanisms to learn the label stack depth pu= sh >> limit of each LSR in the network -- ISIS (RFC8491), OSPF (RFC8476), >> BGP-LS (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd), PCEP >> (draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing), local config (just set a global limit)= , >> netconf/restconf/grpc using the data-model specified in >> draft-ietf-teas-yang-sr-te-topo. >> >> >> >> Please see if the addition of the following statement to the end of the >> first paragraph in Section 5.2 addresses your concern: >> >> >> >> "Examples of such a mechanism are specified in RFC8491 and RFC8476." >> >> These are fine examples, and they would satisfy the point above. >> >> However, they raise an additional one. rfc8491 has a very specific >> definition of what the Base MPLS Imposition MSD is, but that definition = may >> not match what is discussed here. The intent may be the same, but the t= ext >> is different, and given the extensive discussion prior to the publicatio= n >> of rfc8491, I want to make sure that we are in fact talking about the sa= me >> thing: "label stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D doesn=E2=80=99t directly m= ap to "the total >> number of MPLS labels that can be imposed, including all >> service/transport/special labels=E2=80=9D [rfc8491]. I note that this d= ocument >> specifically mentions just transport labels. >> >> If the definition of the BMI-MSD is what is expected in this document, >> please explicitly say so. If not, then I think that we would need to >> define a new MSD-Type for the suggestions above to be applicable. >> > [Pavan] The =E2=80=9Clabel stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D is the same as= what is referred > to as the BMI-MSD in RFC8491. We will make that explicit. > I see no place in the text where the relationship to the BMI-MSD is explicitly made. I see the text (in parenthesis) that you added in =C2=A75.3: "label stack d= epth push limit (number of MPLS labels that can be imposed)=E2=80=9D, but that d= oesn=E2=80=99t make reference to either the BMI-MSD or rfc8491. Also, the text added is not the complete definition. All this would make rfc8491 a Normative reference. Thanks! Alvaro. --000000000000fcabb50580271d8a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On January 18, 2019 at 8:43:42 AM, Vishnu Pavan = Beeram (vishnupavan@gmail.com)= wrote:

=
Pavan:

Hi!

We just uploaded a new rev (-08) for this draft. Please do= go through the diffs (https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft= -ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels-08) and let us know if all your comments = have been addressed.

No= , not completely.=C2=A0 See below.

...

<= div>
----------------------= ------------------------------------------------
DISCUSS:
-----------= -----------------------------------------------------------

A signif= icant portion of this specification depends on knowing the label stack
d= epth limits in the network, but =C2=A75.2 declares the mechanism out of sco= pe:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0In order to accurately pick
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the del= egation hops, the ingress needs to be aware of the label stack
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0depth push limit of each of the transit LSRs prior to initiating the<= br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0signaling sequence.=C2=A0 The mechanism by which the ingres= s or controller
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(hosting the path computation element) lear= ns this information is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0outside the scope of this document.<= br>
I think that not defining the mechanism in this document is ok -- bu= t not
having one means that important parts of this specification can= 9;t work.=C2=A0 Please
point at where such a mechanism is specified, or = at least provide examples.

The Shepherd's writeup says that &quo= t;implementation plans and implementations" are
known so I think th= at this should be an easy point to address.



= [VPB] The specification discusses a couple of d= elegation options -- the explicit delegation option (Section 5.2) and the a= utomatic delegation option (Section 5.3). The explicit delegation option is= the only one that needs the ingress or the controller to be aware of the l= abel stack depth push limit of each of the transit LSRs prior to signaling.= This information is not needed when the automatic delegation option is emp= loyed -- the limitations of each transit node are taken into account while = picking the delegation hops during the initial signaling sequence.

=C2=A0

For the explicit= delegation option, an implementation may choose to employ any of the follo= wing mechanisms to learn the label stack depth push limit of each LSR in th= e network --=C2=A0=C2=A0ISIS (RFC849= 1), OSPF (RFC8476), BGP-LS (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd), PCE= P (draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing), local config (just set a global limit),= netconf/restconf/grpc using the data-model specified in draft-ietf-teas-ya= ng-sr-te-topo.

=C2=A0

Please see if the = addition of the following statement to the end of the first paragraph in Se= ction 5.2 addresses your concern:

=C2=A0

<= p class=3D"gmail-m_-3469495416559407006gmail-m_-2857659466334942041gmail-Ms= oPlainText" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt">&= quot;Examples of such a mechanism are specified in RFC8491 and RFC8476.&quo= t;

These are fine examples, and they would satisfy the point ab= ove.

However, they raise an additiona= l one. =C2=A0rfc8491 has a very specific definition of what the=C2=A0Base M= PLS Imposition MSD is, but that definition may not match what is discussed = here.=C2=A0 The intent may be the same, but the text is different, and give= n the extensive discussion prior to the publication of rfc8491, I want to m= ake sure that we are in fact talking about the same thing: "label stac= k depth push limit=E2=80=9D doesn=E2=80=99t directly map to "the total= number of MPLS labels that can be imposed, including all service/transport= /special labels=E2=80=9D [rfc8491].=C2=A0 I note that this document specifi= cally mentions just transport labels.

If the definition of the=C2=A0BMI-MSD is what is expected in this document= , please explicitly say so.=C2=A0 If not, then I think that we would need t= o define a new MSD-Type for the suggestions above to be applicable.<= /p>

[Pavan] The =E2=80=9Clabe= l stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D is the same as what is referred to as the= BMI-MSD in RFC8491. We will make that explicit.


I see no place in the text whe= re the relationship to=C2=A0the BMI-MSD is explicitly made.


<= /div>
I see the text (in parenthesis) that you added in =C2=A75.3: &quo= t;label stack depth push limit (number of MPLS labels that can be imposed)= =E2=80=9D, but that doesn=E2=80=99t make reference to either the BMI-MSD or= rfc8491.=C2=A0 Also, the text added is not the complete definition.=C2=A0 = All this would make rfc8491 a Normative reference.

Thanks!

Alvaro.
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Thu, 24 Jan 2019 14:57:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <70AB3349-FB5E-49E9-8D26-8DD62C2A670F@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <70AB3349-FB5E-49E9-8D26-8DD62C2A670F@cisco.com> From: Sam Aldrin Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 14:56:50 -0800 Message-ID: To: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" Cc: Loa Andersson , mpls@ietf.org, "draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f6214c05803c203a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 22:57:06 -0000 --000000000000f6214c05803c203a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft On Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 6:06 AM Reshad Rahman (rrahman) Hi, > > I am not aware of any IPR that applies to > draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg. > > Regards, > Reshad. > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 2019-01-10, 2:31 AM, "Loa Andersson" wrote: > > Working Group, authors, > > We have started to prepare the the draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg > for working group adoption, prior to the wgap we need to do an IPR > poll. > > This mail starts this IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to > draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang- > cfg? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > There no IPR disclosures against draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond = to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author = or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of > any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > > /Loa > mpls wg co-chair > > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --000000000000f6214c05803c203a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft

=
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 6:06 AM R= eshad Rahman (rrahman) <rrahman@cis= co.com wrote:
Hi,

I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cf= g.

Regards,
Reshad.


=EF=BB=BFOn 2019-01-10, 2:31 AM, "Loa Andersson" <loa@pi.nu> wro= te:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Working Group, authors,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We have started to prepare the the draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-= yang-cfg
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 for working group adoption, prior to the wgap we need to do a= n IPR poll.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This mail starts this IPR poll.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-zheng-mpls-lsp= -ping-yang-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 cfg?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IP= R rules
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There no IPR disclosures against draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-ya= ng-cfg.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you are listed as a document author or contributor please = respond to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any = relevant
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing li= st.* The
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Thanks for reviewing the changes. Please see inline.. Regards, -Pavan On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 4:52 PM Alvaro Retana wrote: Snipped.. > These are fine examples, and they would satisfy the point above. >>> >>> However, they raise an additional one. rfc8491 has a very specific >>> definition of what the Base MPLS Imposition MSD is, but that definition= may >>> not match what is discussed here. The intent may be the same, but the = text >>> is different, and given the extensive discussion prior to the publicati= on >>> of rfc8491, I want to make sure that we are in fact talking about the s= ame >>> thing: "label stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D doesn=E2=80=99t directly = map to "the total >>> number of MPLS labels that can be imposed, including all >>> service/transport/special labels=E2=80=9D [rfc8491]. I note that this = document >>> specifically mentions just transport labels. >>> >>> If the definition of the BMI-MSD is what is expected in this document, >>> please explicitly say so. If not, then I think that we would need to >>> define a new MSD-Type for the suggestions above to be applicable. >>> >> [Pavan] The =E2=80=9Clabel stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D is the same a= s what is >> referred to as the BMI-MSD in RFC8491. We will make that explicit. >> > > I see no place in the text where the relationship to the BMI-MSD is > explicitly made. > > I see the text (in parenthesis) that you added in =C2=A75.3: "label stack= depth > push limit (number of MPLS labels that can be imposed)=E2=80=9D, but that= doesn=E2=80=99t > make reference to either the BMI-MSD or rfc8491. Also, the text added is > not the complete definition. > Please see if the following changes address the concern. ** In Section 5.2 OLD: In order to accurately pick the delegation hops, the ingress needs to be aware of the label stack depth push limit (number of MPLS labels that can be imposed) of each of the transit LSRs prior to initiating the signaling sequence. ... An example of such a mechanism is specified in [RFC8491]. NEW: In order to accurately pick the delegation hops, the ingress needs to be aware of the label stack depth push limit (total number of MPLS labels that can be imposed, including all service/transport/special labels) of each of the transit LSRs prior to initiating the signaling sequence. ... An example of such a mechanism is specified in [RFC8491] (BMI-MSD advertisement). ** >> All this would make rfc8491 a Normative reference. Would it? Please note that the =E2=80=9Cexplicit delegation=E2=80=9D can be= implemented without needing to implement any of the standard BMI-MSD learning technologies. The RFC8491 mechanism is just one option. As stated earlier, an implementation may choose to employ any of the following mechanisms besides RFC8491 =E2=80=94 OSPF (RFC8476), BGP-LS (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd), PCEP (draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing), local config (just set a global limit), netconf/restconf/grpc using the data-model specified in draft-ietf-teas-yang-sr-te-topo. > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > --000000000000a7e75c058050888e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Alvaro, Hi!

Thanks for reviewing the changes.
Please see in= line..

Regards,
-Pavan
On Wed, = Jan 23, 2019 at 4:52 PM Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Snipped..
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= These are fine examples, and they would satisfy th= e point above.

However, they raise an= additional one. =C2=A0rfc8491 has a very specific definition of what the= =C2=A0Base MPLS Imposition MSD is, but that definition may not match what i= s discussed here.=C2=A0 The intent may be the same, but the text is differe= nt, and given the extensive discussion prior to the publication of rfc8491,= I want to make sure that we are in fact talking about the same thing: &quo= t;label stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D doesn=E2=80=99t directly map to &qu= ot;the total number of MPLS labels that can be imposed, including all servi= ce/transport/special labels=E2=80=9D [rfc8491].=C2=A0 I note that this docu= ment specifically mentions just transport labels.

If the definition of the=C2=A0BMI-MSD is what is expected in= this document, please explicitly say so.=C2=A0 If not, then I think that w= e would need to define a new MSD-Type for the suggestions above to be appli= cable.

[Pavan] The= =E2=80=9Clabel stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D is the same as what is refe= rred to as the BMI-MSD in RFC8491. We will make that explicit.


I see no place i= n the text where the relationship to=C2=A0the BMI-MSD is explicitly made.

I see the text (in parenthesis) that you added in = =C2=A75.3: "label stack depth push limit (number of MPLS labels that c= an be imposed)=E2=80=9D, but that doesn=E2=80=99t make reference to either = the BMI-MSD or rfc8491.=C2=A0 Also, the text added is not the complete defi= nition.=C2=A0

Please see i= f the following changes address the concern.
**
In Section 5.2
OLD:
=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 In order to accurately pick
=C2= =A0=C2=A0 the delegation hops, the ingress needs to be aware of the label s= tack
=C2=A0=C2=A0 depth push limit (number of MPLS labels that can be im= posed) of each
=C2=A0=C2=A0 of the transit LSRs prior to initiating the = signaling sequence.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 ...
=C2=A0=C2=A0 An example of such = a mechanism is specified in [RFC8491].

NEW:
=C2=A0=C2=A0 In order= to accurately pick
=C2=A0=C2=A0 the delegation hops, the ingress needs = to be aware of the label stack
=C2=A0=C2=A0 depth push limit (total numb= er of MPLS labels that can be imposed,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 including all servic= e/transport/special labels) of each of the
=C2=A0=C2=A0 transit LSRs pr= ior to initiating the signaling sequence.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 ...
=C2=A0=C2= =A0 An example of such a mechanism is specified in [RFC8491] (BMI-MSD
= =C2=A0=C2=A0 advertisement).
**

>> All th= is would make rfc8491 a Normative reference.

Would= it? Please note that the =E2=80=9Cexplicit delegation=E2=80=9D can be impl= emented=20 without needing to implement any of the standard BMI-MSD learning=20 technologies. The RFC8491 mechanism is just one option. As stated earlier, = an implementation may choose to employ any of the following mechanisms besi= des RFC8491 =E2=80=94=C2=A0 OSPF (RFC8476), BGP-LS (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-s= egment-routing-msd), PCEP (draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing), local config (j= ust set a global limit), netconf/restconf/grpc using the data-model specifi= ed in draft-ietf-teas-yang-sr-te-topo.


=C2=A0

Thanks!

Alvaro.
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Ip=[18.9.28.11]; Helo=[outgoing.mit.edu] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BL0PR01MB4483 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [mpls] [secdir] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath-05 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 21:17:43 -0000 On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 02:11:21AM +0000, Mach Chen wrote: > Hi Linda, > > Thanks for the review! > > Some responses inline... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 4:24 AM > > To: secdir@ietf.org > > Cc: mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath.all@ietf.org; > > ietf@ietf.org > > Subject: Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath-05 > > > > Reviewer: Linda Dunbar > > Review result: Ready > > > > I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing > > effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These > > comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area > > directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments > > just like any other last call comments. > > > > The summary of the review is Ready with comment > > > > The described mechanism for LSP Multipath Ping is very clear. The Security > > Consideration re-uses the description of RFC8029, which is very > > comprehensive. > > It would be better if the draft describes how to prevent intermediate LSRs in > > between the Initiating LSR and Responding LSR from mis-using the detailed > > link information (e.g. forwarding to somewhere else). > > The Echo Request and Reply messages are directly exchanged between the Initiating LSR and the Responding LSR, those intermediate LSRs just forward the messages as normal packets, they will not see the detailed link information unless if they inspect and do DPI on every packet forwarded by them. > > The detailed link information is supplied to the Initiating LSR for using, the intermediate LSRs will not try to use it even if they received the information, because there is no corresponding Echo Request to the received Echo Reply. The intermediate LSRs still will have access to the plaintext information, even if in normal operation they do not need to act upon that information. Generally in this sort of situation we will either explicitly state that the intermediate nodes must be trusted to not abuse the information in question, or provide some mechanism for end-to-end confidentiality protection. 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Tue, 29 Jan 2019 04:27:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Christian Hopps To: Cc: mpls@ietf.org, draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.90.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154876482549.7794.9318023446174567806@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 04:27:05 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation-02 X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 12:27:06 -0000 Reviewer: Christian Hopps Review result: Has Nits Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation-02.txt Reviewer: Christian Hopps Review Date: 1/29/2019 IETF LC End Date: N/A Intended Status: Informational Summary: Choose from this list... This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that should be considered prior to publication. Comments: The draft quality is high and very readable. Major Issues: No major issues found. Minor Issues: No minor issues found. Nits: - Page 3: "ACH" used w/o expansion. - Page 3: "GAL" used w/o expansion. 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On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 4:52 PM Alvaro Retana wrote: Snipped.. > These are fine examples, and they would satisfy the point above. >>> >>> However, they raise an additional one. rfc8491 has a very specific >>> definition of what the Base MPLS Imposition MSD is, but that definition= may >>> not match what is discussed here. The intent may be the same, but the = text >>> is different, and given the extensive discussion prior to the publicati= on >>> of rfc8491, I want to make sure that we are in fact talking about the s= ame >>> thing: "label stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D doesn=E2=80=99t directly = map to "the total >>> number of MPLS labels that can be imposed, including all >>> service/transport/special labels=E2=80=9D [rfc8491]. I note that this = document >>> specifically mentions just transport labels. >>> >>> If the definition of the BMI-MSD is what is expected in this document, >>> please explicitly say so. If not, then I think that we would need to >>> define a new MSD-Type for the suggestions above to be applicable. >>> >> [Pavan] The =E2=80=9Clabel stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D is the same a= s what is >> referred to as the BMI-MSD in RFC8491. We will make that explicit. >> > > I see no place in the text where the relationship to the BMI-MSD is > explicitly made. > > I see the text (in parenthesis) that you added in =C2=A75.3: "label stack= depth > push limit (number of MPLS labels that can be imposed)=E2=80=9D, but that= doesn=E2=80=99t > make reference to either the BMI-MSD or rfc8491. Also, the text added is > not the complete definition. > Please see if the following changes address the concern. ** In Section 5.2 OLD: In order to accurately pick the delegation hops, the ingress needs to be aware of the label stack depth push limit (number of MPLS labels that can be imposed) of each of the transit LSRs prior to initiating the signaling sequence. ... An example of such a mechanism is specified in [RFC8491]. NEW: In order to accurately pick the delegation hops, the ingress needs to be aware of the label stack depth push limit (total number of MPLS labels that can be imposed, including all service/transport/special labels) of each of the transit LSRs prior to initiating the signaling sequence. ... An example of such a mechanism is specified in [RFC8491] (BMI-MSD advertisement). ** >> All this would make rfc8491 a Normative reference. Would it? Please note that the =E2=80=9Cexplicit delegation=E2=80=9D can be= implemented without needing to implement any of the standard BMI-MSD learning technologies. The RFC8491 mechanism is just one option. As stated earlier, an implementation may choose to employ any of the following mechanisms besides RFC8491 =E2=80=94 OSPF (RFC8476), BGP-LS (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd), PCEP (draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing), local config (just set a global limit), netconf/restconf/grpc using the data-model specified in draft-ietf-teas-yang-sr-te-topo. I would have preferred if a Normative reference was made to BMI-MSD to avoid any confusion (vs copying the definition here). That=E2=80=99s were = I think that rfc8491 would be Normative; not in the mechanism, but in the definition. In any case, I guess the way you wrote it above is ok as well. I=E2=80=99l= l clear the DISCUSS when you publish an update. Thanks!! Alvaro. --00000000000001e87d0580c7f3ee Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On January 25, 2019 at 6:17:42 PM, Vishnu Pavan = Beeram (vishnupavan@gmail.com)= wrote:

=
Pavan:


...
=
On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 4:52 PM Alva= ro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.= com> wrote:

Snipped..
=
=

These are fine examples, and they wo= uld satisfy the point above.

However, they raise an additional one. =C2=A0rfc8491 has a very specif= ic definition of what the=C2=A0Base MPLS Imposition MSD is, but that defini= tion may not match what is discussed here.=C2=A0 The intent may be the same= , but the text is different, and given the extensive discussion prior to th= e publication of rfc8491, I want to make sure that we are in fact talking a= bout the same thing: "label stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D doesn=E2= =80=99t directly map to "the total number of MPLS labels that can be i= mposed, including all service/transport/special labels=E2=80=9D [rfc8491].= =C2=A0 I note that this document specifically mentions just transport label= s.

If the definition of = the=C2=A0BMI-MSD is what is expected in this document, please explicitly sa= y so.=C2=A0 If not, then I think that we would need to define a new MSD-Typ= e for the suggestions above to be applicable.

[Pavan] The =E2=80=9Clabel stack d= epth push limit=E2=80=9D is the same as what is referred to as the BMI-MSD = in RFC8491. We will make that explicit.

=


I see no place in the text where the relations= hip to=C2=A0the BMI-MSD is explicitly made.

I see = the text (in parenthesis) that you added in =C2=A75.3: "label stack de= pth push limit (number of MPLS labels that can be imposed)=E2=80=9D, but th= at doesn=E2=80=99t make reference to either the BMI-MSD or rfc8491.=C2=A0 A= lso, the text added is not the complete definition.=C2=A0

Please see if the following changes address = the concern.
**
In Section 5.2

OLD:
=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 In order to accurately pick
=C2=A0=C2=A0 the delegation hops, the= ingress needs to be aware of the label stack
=C2=A0=C2=A0 depth push li= mit (number of MPLS labels that can be imposed) of each
=C2=A0=C2=A0 of = the transit LSRs prior to initiating the signaling sequence.
=C2=A0=C2= =A0 ...
=C2=A0=C2=A0 An example of such a mechanism is specified in [RFC= 8491].

NEW:
=C2=A0=C2=A0 In order to accurately pick
=C2=A0=C2= =A0 the delegation hops, the ingress needs to be aware of the label stack=C2=A0=C2=A0 depth push limit (total number of MPLS labels that can be im= posed,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 including all service/transport/special labels) of e= ach of the
=C2=A0=C2=A0 transit LSRs prior to initiating the signaling s= equence.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 ...
=C2=A0=C2=A0 An example of such a mechanism= is specified in [RFC8491] (BMI-MSD
=C2=A0=C2=A0 advertisement).
**

>> All this would make rfc8491 a Normative re= ference.

Would it? Please note that the =E2=80=9Ce= xplicit delegation=E2=80=9D can be implemented without needing to implement= any of the standard BMI-MSD learning technologies. The RFC8491 mechanism i= s just one option. As stated earlier, an implementation may choose to emplo= y any of the following mechanisms besides RFC8491 =E2=80=94=C2=A0 OSPF (RFC= 8476), BGP-LS (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd), PCEP (draft-ietf= -pce-segment-routing), local config (just set a global limit), netconf/rest= conf/grpc using the data-model specified in draft-ietf-teas-yang-sr-te-topo= .

I would h= ave preferred if a Normative reference was made to BMI-MSD to avoid any con= fusion (vs copying the definition here).=C2=A0 That=E2=80=99s were I think = that rfc8491 would be Normative; not in the mechanism, but in the definitio= n.

In any case, I guess the way you wrote it above is ok as well.=C2= =A0 I=E2=80=99ll clear the DISCUSS when you publish an update.

Thanks= !!

Alvaro.

--00000000000001e87d0580c7f3ee-- From nobody Thu Jan 31 17:42:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mpls@ietf.org Delivered-To: mpls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22191311E2; Thu, 31 Jan 2019 17:42:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.90.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mpls@ietf.org Message-ID: <154898535678.9978.16689467272916171903@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 17:42:36 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [mpls] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels-09.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 01:42:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG of the IETF. Title : Signaling RSVP-TE tunnels on a shared MPLS forwarding plane Authors : Harish Sitaraman Vishnu Pavan Beeram Tejal Parikh Tarek Saad Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels-09.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2019-01-31 Abstract: As the scale of MPLS RSVP-TE networks has grown, so the number of Label Switched Paths (LSPs) supported by individual network elements has increased. Various implementation recommendations have been proposed to manage the resulting increase in control plane state. However, those changes have had no effect on the number of labels that a transit Label Switching Router (LSR) has to support in the forwarding plane. That number is governed by the number of LSPs transiting or terminated at the LSR and is directly related to the total LSP state in the control plane. This document defines a mechanism to prevent the maximum size of the label space limit on an LSR from being a constraint to control plane scaling on that node. It introduces the notion of pre-installed 'per Traffic Engineering (TE) link labels' that can be shared by MPLS RSVP-TE LSPs that traverse these TE links. This approach significantly reduces the forwarding plane state required to support a large number of LSPs. This couples the feature benefits of the RSVP-TE control plane with the simplicity of the Segment Routing MPLS forwarding plane. 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Thanks! We published an update as suggested ( https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels-09). Regards, Pavan On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:45 PM Alvaro Retana wrote: > On January 25, 2019 at 6:17:42 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram ( > vishnupavan@gmail.com) wrote: > > Pavan: > > > ... > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 4:52 PM Alvaro Retana > wrote: > > Snipped.. > >> These are fine examples, and they would satisfy the point above. >>>> >>>> However, they raise an additional one. rfc8491 has a very specific >>>> definition of what the Base MPLS Imposition MSD is, but that definitio= n may >>>> not match what is discussed here. The intent may be the same, but the= text >>>> is different, and given the extensive discussion prior to the publicat= ion >>>> of rfc8491, I want to make sure that we are in fact talking about the = same >>>> thing: "label stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D doesn=E2=80=99t directly= map to "the total >>>> number of MPLS labels that can be imposed, including all >>>> service/transport/special labels=E2=80=9D [rfc8491]. I note that this= document >>>> specifically mentions just transport labels. >>>> >>>> If the definition of the BMI-MSD is what is expected in this document, >>>> please explicitly say so. If not, then I think that we would need to >>>> define a new MSD-Type for the suggestions above to be applicable. >>>> >>> [Pavan] The =E2=80=9Clabel stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D is the same = as what is >>> referred to as the BMI-MSD in RFC8491. We will make that explicit. >>> >> >> I see no place in the text where the relationship to the BMI-MSD is >> explicitly made. >> >> I see the text (in parenthesis) that you added in =C2=A75.3: "label stac= k >> depth push limit (number of MPLS labels that can be imposed)=E2=80=9D, b= ut that >> doesn=E2=80=99t make reference to either the BMI-MSD or rfc8491. Also, = the text >> added is not the complete definition. >> > > Please see if the following changes address the concern. > ** > In Section 5.2 > > OLD: > > In order to accurately pick > the delegation hops, the ingress needs to be aware of the label stack > depth push limit (number of MPLS labels that can be imposed) of each > of the transit LSRs prior to initiating the signaling sequence. > ... > An example of such a mechanism is specified in [RFC8491]. > > NEW: > In order to accurately pick > the delegation hops, the ingress needs to be aware of the label stack > depth push limit (total number of MPLS labels that can be imposed, > including all service/transport/special labels) of each of the > transit LSRs prior to initiating the signaling sequence. > ... > An example of such a mechanism is specified in [RFC8491] (BMI-MSD > advertisement). > ** > > >> All this would make rfc8491 a Normative reference. > > Would it? Please note that the =E2=80=9Cexplicit delegation=E2=80=9D can = be implemented > without needing to implement any of the standard BMI-MSD learning > technologies. The RFC8491 mechanism is just one option. As stated earlier= , > an implementation may choose to employ any of the following mechanisms > besides RFC8491 =E2=80=94 OSPF (RFC8476), BGP-LS > (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd), PCEP > (draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing), local config (just set a global limit), > netconf/restconf/grpc using the data-model specified in > draft-ietf-teas-yang-sr-te-topo. > > I would have preferred if a Normative reference was made to BMI-MSD to > avoid any confusion (vs copying the definition here). That=E2=80=99s wer= e I think > that rfc8491 would be Normative; not in the mechanism, but in the > definition. > > In any case, I guess the way you wrote it above is ok as well. I=E2=80= =99ll clear > the DISCUSS when you publish an update. > > Thanks!! > > Alvaro. > --0000000000000a66d60580cb4c65 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Alvaro, Hi!

Than= ks! We published an update as suggested (https://www.ietf.org/rf= cdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-shared-labels-09).

Regards,
Pavan
=

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:45 PM Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
O= n January 25, 2019 at 6:17:42 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram (vishnupavan@gmail.com) wrote:

Pavan:


...
=
On Wed, Jan 23, 201= 9 at 4:52 PM Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Snipped..

These are fine examples, and they= would satisfy the point above.

However, they raise an additional one. =C2=A0rfc8491 has a very spe= cific definition of what the=C2=A0Base MPLS Imposition MSD is, but that def= inition may not match what is discussed here.=C2=A0 The intent may be the s= ame, but the text is different, and given the extensive discussion prior to= the publication of rfc8491, I want to make sure that we are in fact talkin= g about the same thing: "label stack depth push limit=E2=80=9D doesn= =E2=80=99t directly map to "the total number of MPLS labels that can b= e imposed, including all service/transport/special labels=E2=80=9D [rfc8491= ].=C2=A0 I note that this document specifically mentions just transport lab= els.

If the definition o= f the=C2=A0BMI-MSD is what is expected in this document, please explicitly = say so.=C2=A0 If not, then I think that we would need to define a new MSD-T= ype for the suggestions above to be applicable.

[Pavan] The =E2=80=9Clabel stack= depth push limit=E2=80=9D is the same as what is referred to as the BMI-MS= D in RFC8491. We will make that explicit.


=
I see no place in the text where the relatio= nship to=C2=A0the BMI-MSD is explicitly made.

I se= e the text (in parenthesis) that you added in =C2=A75.3: "label stack = depth push limit (number of MPLS labels that can be imposed)=E2=80=9D, but = that doesn=E2=80=99t make reference to either the BMI-MSD or rfc8491.=C2=A0= Also, the text added is not the complete definition.=C2=A0
=

Please see if the following changes addres= s the concern.
**
In Section 5.2

OLD:
=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2= =A0=C2=A0 In order to accurately pick
=C2=A0=C2=A0 the delegation hops, = the ingress needs to be aware of the label stack
=C2=A0=C2=A0 depth push= limit (number of MPLS labels that can be imposed) of each
=C2=A0=C2=A0 = of the transit LSRs prior to initiating the signaling sequence.
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 ...
=C2=A0=C2=A0 An example of such a mechanism is specified in [= RFC8491].

NEW:
=C2=A0=C2=A0 In order to accurately pick
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 the delegation hops, the ingress needs to be aware of the label stac= k
=C2=A0=C2=A0 depth push limit (total number of MPLS labels that can be= imposed,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 including all service/transport/special labels) o= f each of the
=C2=A0=C2=A0 transit LSRs prior to initiating the signalin= g sequence.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 ...
=C2=A0=C2=A0 An example of such a mechan= ism is specified in [RFC8491] (BMI-MSD
=C2=A0=C2=A0 advertisement).
*= *

>> All this would make rfc8491 a Normative= reference.

Would it? Please note that the =E2=80= =9Cexplicit delegation=E2=80=9D can be implemented without needing to imple= ment any of the standard BMI-MSD learning technologies. The RFC8491 mechani= sm is just one option. As stated earlier, an implementation may choose to e= mploy any of the following mechanisms besides RFC8491 =E2=80=94=C2=A0 OSPF = (RFC8476), BGP-LS (draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-segment-routing-msd), PCEP (draft-= ietf-pce-segment-routing), local config (just set a global limit), netconf/= restconf/grpc using the data-model specified in draft-ietf-teas-yang-sr-te-= topo.

I wou= ld have preferred if a Normative reference was made to BMI-MSD to avoid any= confusion (vs copying the definition here).=C2=A0 That=E2=80=99s were I th= ink that rfc8491 would be Normative; not in the mechanism, but in the defin= ition.

In any case, I guess the way you wrote it above is ok as well.= =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll clear the DISCUSS when you publish an update.

Tha= nks!!

Alvaro.

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