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The only relevant IPR that I am aware of has already been disclosed and is
logged in the datatracker.

George

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:53 PM Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Authors and MPLS WG,
>
>
>
> We are currently preparing draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework for working group
> last call. Part of this preparation is to do an IPR poll.
>
> This email is to start the IPR poll.
>
>
>
> If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework
> please respond to this email, and indicate whether it has been disclosed in
> accordance to the IETF IPR rules (detailed are described in RFCs 3979,
> 4879, 3669 and 5378).
>
>
>
> If you are an author or contributor please respond to this email
> regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an
> author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you're aware
> of IPR that has not yet been disclosed.
>
>
>
> This document will advance to WGLC only when all IPR confirmations from
> all authors and contributors have been received.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tarek/Loa/Nic
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">The only relevant IPR that I am aware of has already been =
disclosed and is logged in the datatracker.<span class=3D"gmail-HOEnZb"><fo=
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v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On T=
ue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:53 PM Tarek Saad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tsaad.net@gma=
il.com">tsaad.net@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Authors and MPLS WG,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We are currently preparing draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-frame=
work for working group last call. Part of this preparation is to do an IPR =
poll.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This email is to start the IPR poll.<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you are aware of=C2=A0IPR=C2=A0that applies to=C2=
=A0draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework please respond to this email, and indicate=
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s (detailed are described in RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378).<u></u><u></u>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you are an=C2=A0author or contributor=C2=A0please=
 respond to this email regardless of whether or not you&#39;re aware of any=
=C2=A0IPR. If you are not an author or contributor, please explicitly respo=
nd only if you&#39;re aware of=C2=A0IPR=C2=A0that has not yet been
 disclosed.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This document will advance to WGLC only when all IPR=
=C2=A0confirmations from all authors and contributors have been received.<u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tarek/Loa/Nic<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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Hi all,

Here=92s status of IPR responses from co-authors that I=92ve received so fa=
r.
@ Robin and Siva, can you please respond to this IPR poll.

Stewart Bryant: received
Gregory Mirsky: received
Mach Chen: received
George Swallow: received

Zhenbin Li: *not*received
Siva Sivabalan: *not*received

Regards,
Tarek

From: Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 11:53 PM
To: "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.or=
g" <draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org>
Cc: MPLS Working Group <mpls-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: IPR Poll: draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework

Hi Authors and MPLS WG,

We are currently preparing draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework for working group =
last call. Part of this preparation is to do an IPR poll.
This email is to start the IPR poll.

If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework pleas=
e respond to this email, and indicate whether it has been disclosed in acco=
rdance to the IETF IPR rules (detailed are described in RFCs 3979, 4879, 36=
69 and 5378).

If you are an author or contributor please respond to this email regardless=
 of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an author or con=
tributor, please explicitly respond only if you're aware of IPR that has no=
t yet been disclosed.

This document will advance to WGLC only when all IPR confirmations from all=
 authors and contributors have been received.

Regards,
Tarek/Loa/Nic


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here=92s status of IPR responses from co-authors tha=
t I=92ve received so far.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">@ Robin and Siva, can you please respond to this IPR=
 poll.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stewart Bryant: received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gregory Mirsky: received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mach Chen: received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">George Swallow: received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Zhenbin Li: *not*received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Siva Sivabalan: *not*received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tarek<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in"><b><span style=3D"color:=
black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"color:black">Tarek Saad &lt;tsaad.net@gmail.com&g=
t;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 11:53 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;mpls@ietf.org&quot; &lt;mpls@ietf.org&gt;, &quot;draft-iet=
f-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org&quot; &lt;draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.=
org&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>MPLS Working Group &lt;mpls-chairs@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>IPR Poll: draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework</span><o:p></o:p></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">Hi Authors and MPLS WG,<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">We are currently prepari=
ng draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework for working group last call. Part of this =
preparation is to do an IPR poll.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">This email is to start t=
he IPR poll.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">If you are aware of&nbsp=
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 to this email, and indicate whether it has been disclosed in accordance to=
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 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">If you are an&nbsp;autho=
r or contributor&nbsp;please respond to this email regardless of whether or=
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 please explicitly respond only if you're aware of&nbsp;IPR&nbsp;that
 has not yet been disclosed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">This document will advan=
ce to WGLC only when all IPR&nbsp;confirmations from all authors and contri=
butors have been received.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">Tarek/Loa/Nic<o:p></o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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§4.1 (Requirement on RFC 4090 Capable Node to advertise RI-RSVP Capability)
says:

   A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY set the RI-
   RSVP capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling
   Techniques [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions specified
   in the rest of this document.  A node supporting [RFC4090] facility
   bypass FRR but not supporting the extensions specified in this
   document MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability (I bit) in the outgoing
   Node-ID based Hello messages.  Hence, this document updates [RFC4090]
   by defining extensions and additional procedures over facility
   protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise RI-RSVP
   capability [RFC8370].

I understand the intent: advertise the I bit if this specification is
supported, and don't if it is not.  However, the second sentence cannot be
normative ("MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability") because, by definition, a node
that doesn't support this specification won't implement anything in it.  IOW,
this document can't mandate a behavior for nodes that may not be aware of it.

The conditions for supporting RI-RSVP from rfc8370/§3 don't contemplate this
specification (obviously!), which means that nodes that conform to rfc8370 may
advertise the capability without supporting this document.  Note that rfc8370
doesn't even mention rfc4090, so the setting of the I bit seems independent to
it too.

I am balloting DISCUSS because the correct setting of the RI-RSVP capability is
essential to the operation described in this document.


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- Why doesn't this document formally Update rfc8370?  §4.2.1
"specifies...additional procedures to support RI-RSVP"



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Thank you for using the YANG Security Considerations template.  Could you
please provide more details on which nodes are sensitive to write and read
issues; and the RPC operations of concern.  For example, see
draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg or draft-ietf-ospf-yang.


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A few trivial editorial nits:

* Section 1.1. Typo.  s/minumum/minimum/
* Section 1.1.  Typo. s/catogories/categories/
* Section 1.1.  Typo. s/higlighting/highlighting/
* Section 3.0.  Typo. s/grapically/graphically/
* Section 5.2.1.  Typo. s/an network-instance/a network-instance/



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Theresa, thanks for your review. I entered a No Objection ballot and =
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Alissa


> On Oct 30, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Theresa Enghardt via Datatracker =
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> Review result: Ready with Nits
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> Review Date: 2019-10-30
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> Summary: This draft is basically ready for publication, but has nits =
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> Major issues: None.
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> Minor issues: None.
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> The abstract is hard to parse and could be improved by fixing the =
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> OLD: "Facility backup method allows"
> NEW: "The facility backup method allows"
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> OLD: "The many-to-one nature of local repair technique"
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[This is a preliminary Discuss placed before a full document review is complete,
to give the authors additional time to consider and respond]

The YANG doctor last call review of the -06 notes that these modules are in
violation of the expectations of RFC 8349 (at least w.r.t. defining a new identity for
the control-plane protocol and probably also w.r.t. augmenting the
"control-plane-protocol" under "/routing").  This document should either be brought
into compliance or explain why it diverges.

The YANG doctor's comments about the default values for the "local" graceful-restart configuration
causing the global configuration to never take effect also should be addressed.

The YANG doctor also noted that the "md5-key" leaf does not specify its semantics, and
is presumably sensitive (so that a crypto-type would be more appropriate).


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Please also respond to the other YANG doctor, rtg-dir, and other directorate reviewers' comments.

I support Roman's Discuss.



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>   The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
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Please update to use the boilerplate specified by RFC 8174.



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I kind of figured out how this should work but is this formulation used in
Figures 10,11 and 13 something well defined? I have not seen this before and a
reread of RFC8340 did not help either

+--ro ipv4 (or ipv6)



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The YANG doctor last call review of the -06 notes that these modules are
in violation of the expectations of RFC 8349 (at least w.r.t. defining a
new identity for the control-plane protocol and possibly more).  This
document should either be brought into compliance or explain why it
diverges.

The YANG doctor's comments about default values for "local"
configuration (e.g., graceful-restart configuration) causing the global
configuration to never take effect should also be addressed.

Please include some justification for why LDP IPv6 is considered an
"extended feature" (which is particularly surprising given that Section
2 classifies "IP" to refer to both IPv4 and IPv6 together).

We need to define the format/semantics of the md5-key string (e.g., is
it hex? base64{url,}?) either directly or by reference (as the YANG
doctor notes).  Using a crypto-type would probably be appropriate, as
would adding a note that tcp-md5 is obsoleted by TCP-AO.

In the peer-af-policy-container grouping's
label-policy/advertise/prefix-list, we need to say if the filter is for
inclusion or exclusion of outgoing label advertisements.
Similarly for the incoming label advertisements in the 'accept'
container (and most of the <foo>-list-ref usages?).

In the policy-container grouping's
label-policy/assign/independent-mode/prefix-list, the description
suggests that the contents will provide not just a list of prefixes that
act as a filter, but also a map from prefix to label.  This is a
qualitatively different usage than the previous occurrences of
prefix-list-ref, and it seems like a different type may be needed for
it.  Similarly for ordered-mode.

(pro-forma) This document has 6 authors, and per RFC 7322, as this is
more than five, we are supposed to consider whether that's appropriate.
Seeing nothing in the shepherd writeup or similar, I mention it here.


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Please also respond to the other YANG doctor, rtg-dir, and other
directorate reviewers' comments.

I support Roman's Discuss.

I suggest making a reference to RFC 5920 at some point, perhaps from the
security considerations.

We have several instances of a "container ipv4" that's a "container with
presence" in the jargon of RFC 7950.  As SEC AD one thing I look for is
edge cases, such as when a subset of these containers are present but
not all (and not none).  While for this specific case, it seems fairly
natural to assume that IPv4 is enabled if any are present, it does make
me wonder if the modeling is at an optimal state if there's even the
possibility for such skewed signals.  (I didn't specifically audit for
any other cases of "redundant" containers-with-presence.)

It's not entirely clear to me why we need (all of) the specialization of
structures into using inet:ipv4-address and inet:ipv6-address as opposed
to just inet:ip-address.  I do see that the latter is used in several
places already, and so assume that this was already considered; perhaps
some of the discussion/motivation could be included in the document,
though.

Section 1

   The data model is defined for following constructs that are used for
   managing the protocol:

nit: "the following".

I share the YANG doctor's concern that separating the configuration and
operational state constructs is not consistent with the NMDA model.

Section 1.1

   The "base" category contains the basic and fundamental features that
   are covered in LDP base specification [RFC5036] and constitute the
   minumum requirements for a typical base LDP deployment.  Whereas, the
   "extended" category contains all other non-base features.  All the

This statement ("all other") is not future-proof.

Section 3

   o  This module aims to address only the core LDP parameters as per
      RFC specification, as well as some widely deployed non-RFC
      features (such as label policies, session authentication etc).
      Any vendor specific feature should be defined in a vendor-specific
      augmentation of this model.

[Even for widely-deployed non-RFC features we still need to provide a
clear description of what semantics are being covered, whether
in-document or via an external reference.]

   o  This model is a VPN Forwarding and Routing (VRF)-centric model.
      It is important to note that [RFC4364] defines VRF tables and

side note: I would like the IETF to someday get to a point where "VPN"
(the 'P' is for "private") is used only for protocols/deployments that
provide confidentiality protection ("privacy") for the data being
conveyed.  We are, of course, not there now, and I cannot insist on any
change here.  But please consider whether an alternate phrasing would
suffice, that includes just the "virtual" part but not "VPN".  Since we
are mostly using "VRF" in the rest of the document, this is not as
daunting as it sometimes is...

Section 4

It might be nice to have the tree show the ipv4 and ipv6 children in
as similar an order as is possible (with the understanding that the
semantics are not affected by the order of appearance, of course).

       |  +--rw address-families
       |  |  +--rw ipv4!
       |  |  |  +--rw enable?                           boolean
       |  |  |  +--ro label-distribution-controlmode?   enumeration
       |  |  |  +--ro bindings
       |  |  |  |  +--ro address* [address]
       |  |  |  |  |  +--ro address               inet:ipv4-address
       |  |  |  |  |  +--ro advertisement-type?   advertised-received
       |  |  |  |  |  +--ro peer
       |  |  |  |  |     +--ro lsr-id?           leafref
       |  |  |  |  |     +--ro label-space-id?   leafref

Does this imply that there is only one peer per address?  Is that going
to be a limitation for any deployment cases?

          +--rw ldp-ext:session-downstream-on-demand
          |       {session-downstream-on-demand-config}?
          |  +--rw ldp-ext:enable?      boolean

nit(?): missing '|' to connect down to ldp-ext:enable?
Similarly for ldp-ext:max-wait a few lines later, and some other
occurrences later in the document.

Section 5.1.2

Am I reading this right that (e.g.) per-interface hello-holdtime is
configurable as an extension and only the global hello-holdtime is
present in the "base" module?

Section 7

"NHLFE" is used only once in this document (and is not listed as
"well-known" at
https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt); please
expand it out.

Section 9

Is 2018 still the right copyright year for the modules themselves?

Section 9.1

     typedef ldp-address-family {
       type identityref {
         base rt:address-family;
       }

Why can't we use rt:address-family directly in the one container that
uses this?

       description
         "Duration represented as 32 bit seconds with infinite.";

nits: "32-bit" (hyphenated), "with infinity".

     typedef downstream-upstream {
       type enumeration {
         enum downstream {
           description "Downstream information.";
         }
         enum upstream {
           description "Upstream information.";
         }
       }
       description
         "Received or advertised.";
     }

nit: copy/paste on the description?

         leaf used-in-forwarding {
           type boolean;
           description
             "'true' if the lable is used in forwarding.";

nit: s/lable/label/

     grouping graceful-restart-attributes-per-peer {
       description
         "Per peer graceful restart attributes.
          On the local side, these attributes are configuration and
          operational state data. One the peer side, these attributes
          are operational state data reveiced from the peer.";

nit: s/reveiced/received/

     grouping peer-state-derived {
       description
         "The peer state information derived from the LDP protocol
          operatoins.";

nit: s/operatoins/operations/

     grouping peer-state-derived {
     [...]
       leaf next-keep-alive {
         type uint16;
         units seconds;
         config false;
         description "Time to send the next KeepAlive message.";
       }

nit: this description text sounds like it's giving an absolute time, but
given that it's a uint16 I presume it's "time [from now] until sending".

       container received-peer-state {
         config false;
         description
           "Operational state information learned from the peer.";

         uses graceful-restart-attributes-per-peer;

         container capability {
           description "Configure capability.";

This is config-false; "Configure" in the description cannot be correct,
though I suppose "Configured" could be.
(Also applies to several of the child containers' descriptions.)

       leaf up-time {
         type string;
         config false;
         description "Up time. The interval format in ISO 8601.";

We probably should have some sort of reference for ISO 8601 (though of
course it cannot actually *be* a <xref> in the YANG module itself)

       leaf notification {
         type yang:counter64;
         description
           "The number of messages sent or received.";

Is this the same as or different than "leaf total-messages"?

               leaf label-distribution-controlmode {

nit: any reason to not hyphenate control-mode as well?

           container interfaces {
             description
               "A list of interfaces for LDP Basic Descovery.";

nit: s/Descovery/Discovery/

         container discovery {
           description
             "Neibgbor discovery configuration and operational state.";

nit: s/Neibgbor/Neighbor/

                   // ipv4
                   container hello-adjacencies {
                     config false;
                     description
                       "Containing a list of hello adjacencies.";

                     list hello-adjacency {
                       key "adjacent-address";
                       config false;
                       description "List of hello adjacencies.";

                       leaf adjacent-address {
                         type inet:ipv4-address;
                         description
                           "Neighbor address of the hello adjacency.";
                       }

I'm not an expert here, but I'm not really seeing why we need to
specialize this container for v4 vs v6 as opposed to just using
inet:ip-address and having something that's applicable to both.

                   leaf adjacent-address {
                     type inet:ipv4-address;
                     description
                       "Configures a remote LDP neighbor and enables
                        extended LDP discovery of the specified
                        neighbor.";

Given that there's a sibling leaf "enable", do we still want "and
enables" here?

Should peer/capability have a comment in its description that the
container exists to be augmented by other (extension) modules?

     notification mpls-ldp-fec-event {

Am I reading this right that we only generate notifications on 0->1 and
1->0 transitions of "number of prefixes active for a given FEC"?  Would
we ever want to know about addition/removal of prefixes that do leave
the FEC up?

Section 9.2

I can't find a pattern into which if-feature statements go into
containers used to augment things vs. the augment directives themselves.
Can we be more consistent (or am I missing the pattern)?

     feature dual-stack-transport-pereference {
       description
         "This feature indicates that the system allows to configure
          the transport connection pereference in a dual-stack setup.";

nit: s/pereference/preference/ (twice)

     feature policy-targeted-discovery-config {
       description
         "This feature indicates that the system allows to configure
          policies to control the acceptance of targeted neighbor
          discovery hello messages.";

nit: s/hello/Hello/

     typedef neighbor-list-ref {
       type string;
       description
         "A type for a reference to a neighbor address list.
          The string value is the name identifier for uniquely
          identifying the referenced address list, which contains a list
          of addresses that a routing policy can applied. The definition
          of such an address list is outside the scope of this
          document.";

If I'm reading correctly between here and where this is used, the
semantics of this are better described as "implementation-specific" --
that is, this is a label that refers to some local configured state,
specifically, a list of neighbor addresses used as an ACL.  (Emphasis on
*local* -- it seems like it does not need to interact with anything
else.)
I do sympathize with the YANG doctor, though -- as-is, this feels
underspecified.
(BTW, IP ACLs are not considered to be a security measure by the broader
security community.)
Similarly for the subsequent <foo>-list-refs.

         container interfaces {
           description
             "A list of interfaces on which forwarding is disabled.";

nit: given the separate 'ldp-disable' leaf, perhaps s/is/can be/ is in
order.
Also, the description of the list itself implies additional
functionality, of listing the interfaces used for basic discovery.

     grouping graceful-restart-augment {
       description "Augmentation to graceful restart.";

       leaf helper-enable {
         if-feature graceful-restart-helper-mode;
         type boolean;
         default false;
         description
           "Enable or disable graceful restart helper mode.";

Where is this "helper mode" documented?

     augment "/rt:routing/rt:control-plane-protocols/ldp:mpls-ldp/"
       + "ldp:global" {
       description "Graceful forwarding nexthop augmentation.";
       uses global-forwarding-nexthop-augment;
     }

nit: I don't think "Graceful" is correct, in the description.

Why is (the augmented)
/rt:routing/rt:control-plane-protocols/ldp:mpls-ldp/ldp:global/ldp:address-families/ipv6/label-distribution-controlmode
'config false'?  Doesn't RFC 5036 say that an LSR might support either
as a configuration option?

           leaf adjacent-address {
             type inet:ipv6-address;
             description
               "Configures a remote LDP neighbor and enables
                extended LDP discovery of the specified
                neighbor.";

As for the ipv4 case, do we still want "and enables" here?

     augment "/rt:routing/rt:control-plane-protocols/ldp:mpls-ldp/"
       + "ldp:discovery/ldp:interfaces/ldp:interface/"
       + "ldp:address-families/ldp-ext:ipv6" {
       description "Interface address family IPv6 augmentation.";
       uses interface-address-family-ipv6-augment;

Didn't we just create .../ldp:address-families/ldp-ext:ipv6 with an
earlier augmentation in this module?  (Similarly for
/rt:routing/rt:control-plane-protocols/ldp:mpls-ldp/ldp:peers/ldp:peer/ldp:address-families/ldp-ext:ipv6
which we augment with "uses peer-af-policy-container".)

Appendix A

                 "is-router": [null],

This looks weird to me ("array containing one element with value literal
null") -- why does the array come into play?



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Per the Gen-ART review, I support Roman's DISCUSS and Benjamin's DISCUSS point
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Theresa, thanks for your review. I entered a No Objection ballot =
supporting Roman=E2=80=99s and Benjamin=E2=80=99s DISCUSS ballots, which =
note the items you mention below about the security considerations and =
IPv6, respectively.

Alissa


> On Sep 25, 2019, at 3:50 AM, Theresa Enghardt via Datatracker =
<noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
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> Reviewer: Theresa Enghardt
> Review result: Ready with Issues
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> Document: draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-yang-06
> Reviewer: Theresa Enghardt
> Review Date: 2019-09-25
> IETF LC End Date: 2019-10-04
> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat
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> Summary:
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> This draft is basically ready for publication, but has some minor =
issues that
> should be fixed before publication.
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> Major issues: None.
>=20
> Minor issues:
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> Section 1.1:
>=20
> Why is LDP IPv6 grouped in the "extended" category and not in the =
"base"
> category, which the draft states to be the "minumum requirements for a =
typical
> base LDP deployment" and "suffice for small deployments"? Are typical, =
small
> deployments usually IPv4-only, and is this expected to remain true? =
Please
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On December 4, 2019 at 1:50:12 PM, Chandrasekar Ramachandran wrote:

Chandra:

Hi!


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alvaro Retana via Datatracker
...
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > DISCUSS:
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > =C2=A74.1 (Requirement on RFC 4090 Capable Node to advertise RI-RSVP
> > Capability)
> > says:
> >
> > A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY set the RI-
> > RSVP capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling
> > Techniques [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions specified
> > in the rest of this document. A node supporting [RFC4090] facility
> > bypass FRR but not supporting the extensions specified in this
> > document MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability (I bit) in the outgoing
> > Node-ID based Hello messages. Hence, this document updates [RFC4090]
> > by defining extensions and additional procedures over facility
> > protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise RI-RSVP
> > capability [RFC8370].
> >
> > I understand the intent: advertise the I bit if this specification is
> > supported, and don't if it is not. However, the second sentence cannot =
be
> > normative ("MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability") because, by definition,=
 a
> > node that doesn't support this specification won't implement anything i=
n
> > it. IOW, this document can't mandate a behavior for nodes that may not =
be
> > aware of it.
> >
> > The conditions for supporting RI-RSVP from rfc8370/=C2=A73 don't contem=
plate
> > this specification (obviously!), which means that nodes that conform to
> > rfc8370 may advertise the capability without supporting this document. =
Note
> > that rfc8370 doesn't even mention rfc4090, so the setting of the I bit
> > seems independent to it too.
> >
> > I am balloting DISCUSS because the correct setting of the RI-RSVP capab=
ility
> > is essential to the operation described in this document.
> >
>
> [Chandra] I agree that what you have pointed out requires some changes to=
 the
> text. Would the following changes to the document address your concerns
> adequately?
...
> (3) Change the only paragraph in Section 4.1 from
> "A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY set the RI-RSVP
> capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling Techniques
> [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions specified in the rest of
> this document. A node supporting [RFC4090] facility bypass FRR but not
> supporting the extensions specified in this document MUST reset the RI-RS=
VP
> capability (I bit) in the outgoing Node-ID based Hello messages. Hence, t=
his
> document updates [RFC4090] by defining extensions and additional procedur=
es
> over facility protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise
> RI-RSVP capability [RFC8370]."
> To
> "A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MUST set the RI- RSV=
P
> capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling Techniques
> [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions specified in the rest of
> this document. Hence, this document updates [RFC4090] and [RFC8370] by
> defining extensions and additional procedures over facility protection FR=
R
> defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise RI-RSVP capability [RFC8370]."

This new text removes the Normative specification for nodes that don't
support this document, which is good.

But what about implementations of rfc8370 that may still set the I bit
-- before taking the Update into account. =C2=A0The draft talks about
backwards compatibility (when some nodes don't support the new
functionality), but it doesn't cover the transition period when some
nodes might set the I bit independent of whether they support this
document or not. =C2=A0I would like to see in the text operational
considerations of the potential impact of setting the I bit even if
the new functionality is not supported (a paragraph or two should be
enough); take a look at rfc5706/=C2=A72.3.

Thanks!

Alvaro.


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Thanks to all contributors and working group members who worked on this
document.

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The front page contains six authors' names, while the "Authors' Addresses"
section at the end of the document contains 10. To avoid complications in
AUTH48, please clearly move all but six (or, preferably, five -- see RFC 7322
section 4.1.1) such names to the "Contributors" section.

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I share Ben's concerns regarding the way these models treat IPv4 as
"basic" functionality, and IPv6 as "extended" functionality.
See https://www.iab.org/2016/11/07/iab-statement-on-ipv6/ for the current
IAB guidance on IPv6 in IETF protocols.

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>       FEC-Label bindings:
>           FEC 203.0.113.1/32:
>             advertised: local-label 16000
>               peer 192.0.2.1:0
>               peer 192.0.2.2:0
>               peer 192.0.2.3:0
>             received:
>               peer 192.0.2.1:0, label 16002, used-in-forwarding=Yes
>               peer 192.0.2.2:0, label 17002, used-in-forwarding=No
>           FEC 203.0.113.2/32:
>              . . . .
>           FEC 198.51.100.0/24:
>              . . . .
>
>       Address bindings:
>           Addr 192.0.2.10:
>             advertised
>           Addr 192.0.2.1:
>             received, peer 192.0.2.1:0
>           Addr 192.0.2.2:
>             received, peer 192.0.2.2:0
>           Addr 192.0.2.3:
>             received, peer 192.0.2.3:0
>
>                                Figure 12

Please update this example to use IPv6, or add an example that shows IPv6.
Refer again to the IAB statement cited above for details.



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On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 02:53:40PM -0800, Alvaro Retana wrote:
> On December 4, 2019 at 1:50:12 PM, Chandrasekar Ramachandran wrote:
> 
> Chandra:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Alvaro Retana via Datatracker
> ....
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > DISCUSS:
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > §4.1 (Requirement on RFC 4090 Capable Node to advertise RI-RSVP
> > > Capability)
> > > says:
> > >
> > > A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY set the RI-
> > > RSVP capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling
> > > Techniques [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions specified
> > > in the rest of this document. A node supporting [RFC4090] facility
> > > bypass FRR but not supporting the extensions specified in this
> > > document MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability (I bit) in the outgoing
> > > Node-ID based Hello messages. Hence, this document updates [RFC4090]
> > > by defining extensions and additional procedures over facility
> > > protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise RI-RSVP
> > > capability [RFC8370].
> > >
> > > I understand the intent: advertise the I bit if this specification is
> > > supported, and don't if it is not. However, the second sentence cannot be
> > > normative ("MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability") because, by definition, a
> > > node that doesn't support this specification won't implement anything in
> > > it. IOW, this document can't mandate a behavior for nodes that may not be
> > > aware of it.
> > >
> > > The conditions for supporting RI-RSVP from rfc8370/§3 don't contemplate
> > > this specification (obviously!), which means that nodes that conform to
> > > rfc8370 may advertise the capability without supporting this document. Note
> > > that rfc8370 doesn't even mention rfc4090, so the setting of the I bit
> > > seems independent to it too.
> > >
> > > I am balloting DISCUSS because the correct setting of the RI-RSVP capability
> > > is essential to the operation described in this document.
> > >
> >
> > [Chandra] I agree that what you have pointed out requires some changes to the
> > text. Would the following changes to the document address your concerns
> > adequately?
> ....
> > (3) Change the only paragraph in Section 4.1 from
> > "A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY set the RI-RSVP
> > capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling Techniques
> > [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions specified in the rest of
> > this document. A node supporting [RFC4090] facility bypass FRR but not
> > supporting the extensions specified in this document MUST reset the RI-RSVP
> > capability (I bit) in the outgoing Node-ID based Hello messages. Hence, this
> > document updates [RFC4090] by defining extensions and additional procedures
> > over facility protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise
> > RI-RSVP capability [RFC8370]."
> > To
> > "A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MUST set the RI- RSVP
> > capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling Techniques
> > [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions specified in the rest of
> > this document. Hence, this document updates [RFC4090] and [RFC8370] by
> > defining extensions and additional procedures over facility protection FRR
> > defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise RI-RSVP capability [RFC8370]."
> 
> This new text removes the Normative specification for nodes that don't
> support this document, which is good.
> 
> But what about implementations of rfc8370 that may still set the I bit
> -- before taking the Update into account.  The draft talks about
> backwards compatibility (when some nodes don't support the new
> functionality), but it doesn't cover the transition period when some
> nodes might set the I bit independent of whether they support this
> document or not.  I would like to see in the text operational
> considerations of the potential impact of setting the I bit even if
> the new functionality is not supported (a paragraph or two should be
> enough); take a look at rfc5706/§2.3.

Let me ask the dumb/obvious question: why do we have to overload the I bit
for this purpose?  Can't we allocate a new bit that has precisely the
semantics we want for the new document, without changing the semantics of
an existing bit?

-Ben


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There are numerous problems with the use and absence of articles (“the”, “a”,
“an”) throughout the document: articles are missing when they should be there,
“the” is used when an indefinite article should be, and so on.  That made it a
harder read than it should have been.  The RPC will fix it during editing, but
maybe the AD should add an RFC Editor Note to alert them to be particularly
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I support the DISCUSSes and comments by Ben, Roman, and Adam.



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I think there's a lot of SHOULDs in this document that, if ignored,
would cause the implementation to fail to achieve its stated purpose
(elimination of stale state retention).  Therefore, I don't understand
why they are given as SHOULD rather than MUST.  I have noted many (but
probably not all) such instances in the COMMENT section.


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Thanks for this document; the core procedures seem solid and
well-thought-out.

I agree with Barry's comment.

Section 1

Just to check my understanding: since we only mention the bypass-tunnel
mode of RFC 4090 FRR, I infer that the detour LSPs do not need separate
handling, since they have a one-to-one correspondence with the main LSP,
which RI-RSVP is already tracking explicitly?

Section 4.1

   A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY set the RI-
   RSVP capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling
   Techniques [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions specified

nit: Section 3.1, no?

   in the rest of this document.  A node supporting [RFC4090] facility
   bypass FRR but not supporting the extensions specified in this
   document MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability (I bit) in the outgoing
   Node-ID based Hello messages.  Hence, this document updates [RFC4090]
   by defining extensions and additional procedures over facility
   protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise RI-RSVP
   capability [RFC8370].

This sounds like it is changing the semantics of the I bit that was
already defined, to mean support for more extentions than it originally
was used for.  How is this backwards compatible (that is, how will an
implementation know that the peer supports this updated semantics vs.
the original semantics)?
[I think this is exactly the core of Alvaro's Discuss point, which I
support.]

Section 4.2.1

   -  The PLR MUST also include its router ID in a Node-ID sub-object in
      RRO object carried in a Path message.  While including its router
      ID in the Node-ID sub-object carried in the outgoing Path message,
      the PLR MUST include the Node-ID sub-object after including its
      IPv4/IPv6 address or unnumbered interface ID sub-object.

Remind me why the ordering is important?

Section 4.2.3

   A node receiving Path messages should determine whether they contain
   a B-SFRR-Ready Extended Association object with the Node-ID address
   of the PLR as the source and its own Node-ID as the destination.  In

To be clear, the node receiving Path messages is just looking for
whether its Node-ID is the destination in the B-SFRR-Ready Extended
Association object, and treating the source address as the Node-ID of
the PLR; the node does not a priori know that this other node is "the
PLR", right?  This should probably be reworded, if so.

   If a matching B-SFRR-Ready Extended Association object is found in
   the Path message and if there is an operational remote signaling
   adjacency with the PLR that has advertised RI-RSVP capability (I-bit)
   [RFC8370] in its Node-ID based Hello messages, then the node SHOULD
   consider itself as the MP for the corresponding PLR.  The matching

"corresponding PLR" for this specific LSP, right?

Section 4.2.4

   -  The MP later receives a Path with no matching B-SFRR-Ready
      Extended Association object corresponding to the PLR's IP address
      contained in the Path RRO, or

Again, this is for the specific LSP in question?

   -  The MP receives a PathTear, or

(and some scoping may be needed here, too -- *any* PathTear is probably
too broad a criterion)

   Unlike the normal path state that is either locally generated on the
   ingress or created by a Path message from the Phop node, the "remote"

I'm not sure why the ingress case is a relevant comparison; the ingress
is not ever going to be the MP, is it?

Section 4.3.3

      protection.  As B had previously signaled NP availability by
      including B-SFRR-Ready Extended Association object, C SHOULD
      remove the B-SFRR-Ready Extended Association object containing
      Association Source set to B from the Path message and trigger a
      Path to D.

This is only a SHOULD-level requirement.  How does D learn to clean up
the associated state if the SHOULD is ignored?

Section 4.4

   does not require the receiving node to unconditionally delete the LSP
   state immediately.  For this, B SHOULD add a new optional CONDITIONS
   object in the PathTear.  The CONDITIONS object is defined in
   Section 4.4.3.  If node C also understands the new object, then C
   SHOULD delete LSP state only if it is not an NP-MP - in other words C
   SHOULD delete LSP state if there is no "remote" PLR path state on C.

This is only a SHOULD-level requirement, but won't C tear down the whole
LSP if the CONDITIONS are not {present and understood}?  Similarly, what
happens if C does not understand the CONDITIONS object -- won't the
whole LSP be torn down?

Section 4.4.3

I'd probably have an introductory note that CONDITIONS is intended to
see generic usage, and we only define one ('M') condition in this
document.
Also, what's the mnemonic for choosing 'M'?

Section 4.5

   5. On D there would be a remote signaling adjacency with B and so D
      SHOULD accept the "Remote" PathTear and delete the PSB and RSB
      states corresponding to the LSP.

Just to check my understanding: this would also tear down any other LSPs
that were using the same node protection path through F, right?

Section 4.5.2

   When a PLR router that has already made NP available detects a change
   in the RRO carried in the Resv message indicating that the router's
   former NP-MP is no longer present in the LSP path, then the router
   SHOULD send a "Remote" PathTear directly to its former NP-MP.

Why is this only SHOULD?  Won't the former NP-MP retain stale state
otherwise?

   The new RRO of the LSP carried in the Resv will not contain C.  When
   A processes the Resv with a new RRO not containing C - its former NP-
   MP, A SHOULD send a "Remote" PathTear to C.  When C receives the

(I'm not sure that I'd use the normative "SHOULD" here.)

   "Remote" PathTear for its PSB state, C will send a normal PathTear
   downstream to D and delete both the PSB and RSB states corresponding
   to the LSP.  As D has already received backup LSP signaling from B, D
   will retain control plane and forwarding states corresponding to the
   LSP.

Remind me where this behavior of D is specified (to ignore the PathTear
since it already got the backup LSP signaling).  It's intuitive/obvious,
but I forget where it's written down.

Section 4.6

   Note that for LSPs requesting only link protection, the PLR and the
   LP-MP need to support the extensions.

I think this comparison would be more poigniant if the word "only" was
inserted, for "only the PLR and the LP need to support".

Section 4.6.2

To double-check: the procedures in the subsections only apply when the
ingress has requested protection, right?

Section 4.6.2.2

   -  If the node reduces the refresh time from the above procedures, it
      SHOULD also not execute MP procedures specified in Section 4.3 of
      this document.

Just to check: a reduced refresh time in either Resv *or* Path suffices
to prohibit *all* the MP procedures?

Section 5

Aren't there more documents whose security considerations are also
relevant (e.g., RFC 8370, RFC 2961, etc.)?

Why is utilizing the authentication key for Node-ID Hello messages with
TTL>1 only a MAY and not a SHOULD?

I'd also suggest to acknowledge the inherent risk when sending
non-immediate-neighbor Hellos that the intermediate could tamper with
them and disrupt the connection (though any such intermediate is in a
position to do worse mischief).

If we're going to (per my Discuss) keep all the SHOULDs and not MUSTs,
we should talk about how failing to follow the SHOULDs will lead to
increased state usage on peer nodes and potentially DoS.

It would be reasonable to mention that we have a solid negotiation story
so that we don't expect to send conditional PathTears to nodes that
don't comprehend them, which reduces the risk of misinterpretation and
having a LSP get torn down unnecessarily.

Section 6

When reading Section 4.4.3 I had the distinct impression that the
"Reserved" field was intended to have future flags allocated from it.
Wouldn't it make sense to create a registry with which to do so?
If I was wrong about this, I might have to revise my previous comments
on that section.



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Thank you for the work put into this document.

I fully support Ben Kaduk's DISCUSS about IPv6 (about why IPv6 is in the
extended section 6.1.2).  I would have balloted a DISCUSS if Ben haven't
balloted before me.

Also concerned about Suresh's question about the "rw ipv4 (or ipv6)" in section
6.2.1. and 6.2.2. and other places. Thank you, though, for the IPv6 example in
Appendix A.

Answers to my COMMENTs below will be welcome,

Regards,

-éric
== COMMENTS ==

-- Section 4 --
Why having the YANG subtrees for IPv4 and IPv6 different order of their
subtrees in ietf-mpls-ldp/mpls-ldp/address-families/ipv[46] ?

-- Section 5.1.2 --
Another difference about IPv4 and IPv6 in the tree: IPv6 has an "enable" leaf
but IPv4 does not. Why is that ?

-- Section 5.2.1.1. --
In the text "this document recommends an operator to pick a routable IPv4
unicast address as an LSR Id", what is meant by "routable" ? Globally routable
? Domain routable ?

Also, it is expected that design recommendations are done in a document about
data model?



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Hi,

The minutes can be found at:

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If there is anything needs to be corrected, please let me know.

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Section 5. Recommend adding language about using more modern HMAC algorithms
than those suggested in RFC2747.  For example:

OLD:
The security considerations pertaining to the original RSVP protocol
[RFC2205], [RFC3209] and [RFC5920] remain relevant.

NEW:
The security considerations pertaining to the original RSVP protocol [RFC2205],
[RFC3209] and [RFC5920] remain relevant.  When using RSVP Cryptographic
Authentication [RFC2747], more robust algorithms such as HMAC-SHA256,
HMAC-SHA384, or HMAC-SHA-512 [RFC2104][SHS] SHOULD be used when computing the
keyed message digest where possible.

   [RFC2104]  Krawczyk, H., Bellare, M., and R. Canetti, "HMAC: Keyed-
              Hashing for Message Authentication", RFC 2104, February
              1997.

   [RFC2747]  Baker, F., Lindell, B., and M. Talwar, "RSVP Cryptographic
              Authentication", RFC 2747, January 2000.

   [SHS]      National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST),
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Great; thanks, Chandra!

Barry

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:40 AM Chandrasekar Ramachandran
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> Hi Barry,
> The comments from the genart review were on similar lines and hence this =
will be addressed in the next revision of the document.
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> Thanks,
> Chandra.
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:36:58 -0500
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Hi Tarek,

Thank you for the comments. The latest revision of the draft addresses
these comments. Please advise if there are further comments.
We believe the document is ready for WG adoption.

URL:
https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gandhi-mpls-rfc6374-sr-01.txt
Diff:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-gandhi-mpls-rfc6374-sr-01

Thanks,
Rakesh (for authors)


On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 2:07 AM Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi authors,
>
>
>
> Having gone over this draft, I have the following comments:
>
>    1. Section 6.1.1 introduces a new block number TLV. The claim is
>    RFC8231 requires identification of block number for proper LM.. From
>    looking at RFC8231, I see the AM method can be achieved with only 2 co=
lors
>    and many blocks (see section 3.1 of RFC8231).. Given coloring for AM m=
ethod
>    can be done using SFL (draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework) with SFL labels,=
 is
>    this block number TLV still needed?
>    2. Section 4.3.2.1 introduces Return Path subtlv that is suposed to
>    carry the label stack or return path: 1) a similar return path tlv is
>    proposed in other drafts e.g. for use with BFD over SR paths, LSP ping=
 etc.
>    =E2=80=93 does it make sense to have unified definition of this return=
 path TLV? b)
>    Figure 7B mentions Segment-List (1) to Segment-List(n) , did you mean
>    Label(1)/Segment(1) to Label(n)/Segment(n)?
>    3. Section 8) lightly talks about ECMP and loose SIDs in end-to-end PM
>    measurement =E2=80=93 however, a) it is not clear how end-to-end LM is=
 results are
>    reliable when ECMP is present? b) Similarly, for DM when ECMP for loos=
e
>    SID(s) exists =E2=80=93 how delay of each of the ECMP(s) are discovere=
d or at least
>    what sender is doing to ensure all ECMP(s) are traversed by probes?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tarek
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Tarek,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for =
the comments. The latest revision of the draft addresses these comments. Pl=
ease advise if there are further comments. <br></div><div>We believe the do=
cument is ready for WG adoption.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div style=3D=
"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-=
decoration:none">URL:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gan=
dhi-mpls-rfc6374-sr-01.txt">https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gand=
hi-mpls-rfc6374-sr-01.txt</a></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fami=
ly:-webkit-standard;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:=
normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transfor=
m:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Diff:=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<span class=3D"gma=
il-Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcd=
iff?url2=3Ddraft-gandhi-mpls-rfc6374-sr-01">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?ur=
l2=3Ddraft-gandhi-mpls-rfc6374-sr-01</a></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0=
);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;f=
ont-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;te=
xt-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"=
><br></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font=
-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Thanks,</div><div style=3D"color:r=
gb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:=
normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-inden=
t:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decorati=
on:none">Rakesh (for authors)</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fami=
ly:-webkit-standard;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:=
normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transfor=
m:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div>=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 2:07 AM Tarek Saad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tsaa=
d.net@gmail.com">tsaad.net@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
 rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Hi authors,<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Having gone over this draft, I =
have the following comments:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"1" start=3D"1">
<li style=3D"margin-left:0in"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Section 6.1.1 introduces=
 a new block number TLV. The claim is RFC8231 requires identification of bl=
ock number for proper LM.. From looking at RFC8231, I see the AM
 method can be achieved with only 2 colors and many blocks (see section 3.1=
 of RFC8231).. Given coloring for AM method can be done using SFL (draft-ie=
tf-mpls-sfl-framework) with SFL labels, is this block number TLV still need=
ed?<u></u><u></u></span></li><li style=3D"margin-left:0in"><span lang=3D"EN=
-CA">Section 4.3.2.1 introduces Return Path subtlv that is suposed to carry=
 the label stack or return path: 1) a similar return path tlv is proposed i=
n other drafts e.g.
 for use with BFD over SR paths, LSP ping etc. =E2=80=93 does it make sense=
 to have unified definition of this return path TLV? b) Figure 7B mentions =
Segment-List (1) to Segment-List(n) , did you mean Label(1)/Segment(1) to L=
abel(n)/Segment(n)?<u></u><u></u></span></li><li style=3D"margin-left:0in">=
<span lang=3D"EN-CA">Section 8) lightly talks about ECMP and loose SIDs in
</span>end-to-end PM measurement =E2=80=93 however, a) it is not clear how =
end-to-end LM is results are reliable when ECMP is present? b) Similarly, f=
or DM when ECMP for loose SID(s) exists =E2=80=93 how delay of each of the =
ECMP(s) are discovered or at least what sender is
 doing to ensure all ECMP(s) are traversed by probes?<u></u><u></u></li></o=
l>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Tarek<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>

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Chandra:

Hi!

My question still remains: in the case of rfc4090 + rfc8370
implementations, which are not aware of this document, the I bit being set
will provide a false indication to RI-RSVP-FRR nodes.  From the
explanation/history below (thanks!), I gather that the intent was for
deployments to use rfc4090 + rfc8370 + this document at the same time.
Added text to reflect this expectation, *and* a few sentences talking about
the potential impact (as I mentioned below) would be enough to address my
concern.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On December 5, 2019 at 9:38:02 AM, Chandrasekar Ramachandran (
csekar@juniper.net) wrote:

Hi Alvaro,
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec (which went on to become RFC8370) and
draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr started off as companion documents. Early WG
draft versions of RFC8370 (
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-02, Sec
2.2) had explicit text saying that if an RFC4090 bypass implementation opts
to support RI-RSVP, then it must also implement procedures specified in
draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr (RI-RSVP-FRR). But based on WG feedback
(rightly so), it was decided that draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec
should be kept fairly generic (applicable to all data-plane technologies)
and shouldn=E2=80=99t include any MPLS specific implementation recommendati=
ons.

If an RFC4090 bypass implementation adds support for just RI-RSVP [RFC8370]
and does not add support for RI-RSVP-FRR, it leaves room for stale state to
linger around for a long time (given the long refresh-interval) after a
failover event. Section 3 "Problem Description" of RI-RSVP-FRR draft delves
on this in detail. Hence, RI-RSVP-FRR updates RFC4090 bypass FRR procedures
and makes them refresh interval independent, i.e. plugs the gap in applying
RI-RSVP [RFC8370] technique to RFC4090 bypass procedures. So, the
recommendation for RFC4090 bypass implementations is to not turn on RI-RSVP
if RI-RSVP-FRR is not supported.

Also note that RFC4090 bypass implementations that do not add support for
RI-RSVP [RFC8370] are interoperable with RI-RSVP-FRR implementations as per
the procedures defined in Section 4.6 of RI-RSVP-FRR draft.

Thanks,
Chandra.


Juniper Business Use Only

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 4:24 AM
> To: Chandrasekar Ramachandran <csekar@juniper.net>; The IESG
> <iesg@ietf.org>
> Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; Nicolai Leymann
> <n.leymann@telekom.de>; draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr-07:
(with
> DISCUSS and COMMENT)
>
> On December 4, 2019 at 1:50:12 PM, Chandrasekar Ramachandran wrote:
>
> Chandra:
>
> Hi!
>
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Alvaro Retana via Datatracker
> ...
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > > DISCUSS:
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > >
> > > =C2=A74.1 (Requirement on RFC 4090 Capable Node to advertise RI-RSVP
> > > Capability)
> > > says:
> > >
> > > A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY set the RI-
> > > RSVP capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling
> > > Techniques [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions
> > > specified in the rest of this document. A node supporting [RFC4090]
> > > facility bypass FRR but not supporting the extensions specified in
> > > this document MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability (I bit) in the
> > > outgoing Node-ID based Hello messages. Hence, this document updates
> > > [RFC4090] by defining extensions and additional procedures over
> > > facility protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise
> > > RI-RSVP capability [RFC8370].
> > >
> > > I understand the intent: advertise the I bit if this specification
> > > is supported, and don't if it is not. However, the second sentence
> > > cannot be normative ("MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability") because,
> > > by definition, a node that doesn't support this specification won't
> > > implement anything in it. IOW, this document can't mandate a
> > > behavior for nodes that may not be aware of it.
> > >
> > > The conditions for supporting RI-RSVP from rfc8370/=C2=A73 don't
> > > contemplate this specification (obviously!), which means that nodes
> > > that conform to
> > > rfc8370 may advertise the capability without supporting this
> > > document. Note that rfc8370 doesn't even mention rfc4090, so the
> > > setting of the I bit seems independent to it too.
> > >
> > > I am balloting DISCUSS because the correct setting of the RI-RSVP
> > > capability is essential to the operation described in this document.
> > >
> >
> > [Chandra] I agree that what you have pointed out requires some changes
> > to the text. Would the following changes to the document address your
> > concerns adequately?
> ...
> > (3) Change the only paragraph in Section 4.1 from "A node supporting
> > [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY set the RI-RSVP capability (I
> > bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling Techniques [RFC8370] only
> > if it supports all the extensions specified in the rest of this
> > document. A node supporting [RFC4090] facility bypass FRR but not
> > supporting the extensions specified in this document MUST reset the
> > RI-RSVP capability (I bit) in the outgoing Node-ID based Hello
> > messages. Hence, this document updates [RFC4090] by defining
> > extensions and additional procedures over facility protection FRR
> > defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise RI-RSVP capability
[RFC8370]."
> > To
> > "A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MUST set the RI-
> > RSVP capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling
> > Techniques [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions specified
> > in the rest of this document. Hence, this document updates [RFC4090]
> > and [RFC8370] by defining extensions and additional procedures over
> > facility protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise
RI-RSVP
> capability [RFC8370]."
>
> This new text removes the Normative specification for nodes that don't
> support this document, which is good.
>
> But what about implementations of rfc8370 that may still set the I bit
> -- before taking the Update into account.  The draft talks about
backwards
> compatibility (when some nodes don't support the new functionality), but
it
> doesn't cover the transition period when some nodes might set the I bit
> independent of whether they support this document or not.  I would like
to
> see in the text operational considerations of the potential impact of
setting
> the I bit even if the new functionality is not supported (a paragraph or
two
> should be enough); take a look at rfc5706/=C2=A72.3.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Alvaro.

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</head><body style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"font-family:Helve=
tica,Arial;font-size:13px">Chandra:</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetic=
a,Arial;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial=
;font-size:13px">Hi!</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-si=
ze:13px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px=
">My question still remains: in the case of rfc4090 + rfc8370 implementatio=
ns, which are not aware of this document, the I bit being set will provide =
a false indication to RI-RSVP-FRR nodes.=C2=A0 From the explanation/history=
 below (thanks!), I gather that the intent was for deployments to use rfc40=
90 + rfc8370 + this document at the same time.=C2=A0 Added text to reflect =
this expectation, *and* a few sentences talking about the potential impact =
(as I mentioned below) would be enough to address my concern.</div><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style=3D"f=
ont-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px">Thanks!</div><div style=3D"font-=
family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:=
Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px">Alvaro.</div> <br><p class=3D"airmail_on">O=
n December 5, 2019 at 9:38:02 AM, Chandrasekar Ramachandran (<a href=3D"mai=
lto:csekar@juniper.net">csekar@juniper.net</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type=
=3D"cite" class=3D"clean_bq"><span><div><div></div><div>Hi Alvaro,
<br>draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec (which went on to become RFC8370) a=
nd draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr started off as companion documents. Early WG=
 draft versions of RFC8370 (<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ie=
tf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-02">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas=
-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-02</a>, Sec 2.2) had explicit text saying that if an R=
FC4090 bypass implementation opts to support RI-RSVP, then it must also imp=
lement procedures specified in draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr (RI-RSVP-FRR). B=
ut based on WG feedback (rightly so), it was decided that draft-ietf-teas-r=
svp-te-scaling-rec should be kept fairly generic (applicable to all data-pl=
ane technologies) and shouldn=E2=80=99t include any MPLS specific implement=
ation recommendations. =20
<br>
<br>If an RFC4090 bypass implementation adds support for just RI-RSVP [RFC8=
370] and does not add support for RI-RSVP-FRR, it leaves room for stale sta=
te to linger around for a long time (given the long refresh-interval) after=
 a failover event. Section 3 &quot;Problem Description&quot; of RI-RSVP-FRR=
 draft delves on this in detail. Hence, RI-RSVP-FRR updates RFC4090 bypass =
FRR procedures and makes them refresh interval independent, i.e. plugs the =
gap in applying RI-RSVP [RFC8370] technique to RFC4090 bypass procedures. S=
o, the recommendation for RFC4090 bypass implementations is to not turn on =
RI-RSVP if RI-RSVP-FRR is not supported.
<br>
<br>Also note that RFC4090 bypass implementations that do not add support f=
or RI-RSVP [RFC8370] are interoperable with RI-RSVP-FRR implementations as =
per the procedures defined in Section 4.6 of RI-RSVP-FRR draft.
<br>
<br>Thanks,
<br>Chandra.
<br>
<br>
<br>Juniper Business Use Only
<br>
<br>&gt; -----Original Message-----
<br>&gt; From: Alvaro Retana &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com">=
aretana.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;
<br>&gt; Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 4:24 AM
<br>&gt; To: Chandrasekar Ramachandran &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:csekar@juniper=
.net">csekar@juniper.net</a>&gt;; The IESG
<br>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.org">iesg@ietf.org</a>&gt;
<br>&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</=
a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>; Nicolai Leymann
<br>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:n.leymann@telekom.de">n.leymann@telekom.de</=
a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr@ietf.org">draft-ietf-=
mpls-ri-rsvp-frr@ietf.org</a>
<br>&gt; Subject: RE: Alvaro Retana&#39;s Discuss on draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsv=
p-frr-07: (with
<br>&gt; DISCUSS and COMMENT)
<br>&gt; =20
<br>&gt; On December 4, 2019 at 1:50:12 PM, Chandrasekar Ramachandran wrote=
:
<br>&gt; =20
<br>&gt; Chandra:
<br>&gt; =20
<br>&gt; Hi!
<br>&gt; =20
<br>&gt; =20
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; From: Alvaro Retana via Datatracker
<br>&gt; ...
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; --------------------------------------------------------=
------------
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; --
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; DISCUSS:
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; --------------------------------------------------------=
------------
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; --
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; =C2=A74.1 (Requirement on RFC 4090 Capable Node to adver=
tise RI-RSVP
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Capability)
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; says:
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY =
set the RI-
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; RSVP capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE =
Scaling
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Techniques [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensi=
ons
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; specified in the rest of this document. A node supportin=
g [RFC4090]
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; facility bypass FRR but not supporting the extensions sp=
ecified in
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; this document MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability (I bit) =
in the
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; outgoing Node-ID based Hello messages. Hence, this docum=
ent updates
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; [RFC4090] by defining extensions and additional procedur=
es over
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; facility protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to=
 advertise
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; RI-RSVP capability [RFC8370].
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; I understand the intent: advertise the I bit if this spe=
cification
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; is supported, and don&#39;t if it is not. However, the s=
econd sentence
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; cannot be normative (&quot;MUST reset the RI-RSVP capabi=
lity&quot;) because,
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; by definition, a node that doesn&#39;t support this spec=
ification won&#39;t
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; implement anything in it. IOW, this document can&#39;t m=
andate a
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; behavior for nodes that may not be aware of it.
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; The conditions for supporting RI-RSVP from rfc8370/=C2=
=A73 don&#39;t
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; contemplate this specification (obviously!), which means=
 that nodes
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; that conform to
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; rfc8370 may advertise the capability without supporting =
this
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; document. Note that rfc8370 doesn&#39;t even mention rfc=
4090, so the
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; setting of the I bit seems independent to it too.
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; I am balloting DISCUSS because the correct setting of th=
e RI-RSVP
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; capability is essential to the operation described in th=
is document.
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; [Chandra] I agree that what you have pointed out requires som=
e changes
<br>&gt; &gt; to the text. Would the following changes to the document addr=
ess your
<br>&gt; &gt; concerns adequately?
<br>&gt; ...
<br>&gt; &gt; (3) Change the only paragraph in Section 4.1 from &quot;A nod=
e supporting
<br>&gt; &gt; [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY set the RI-RSVP capabil=
ity (I
<br>&gt; &gt; bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling Techniques [RFC8=
370] only
<br>&gt; &gt; if it supports all the extensions specified in the rest of th=
is
<br>&gt; &gt; document. A node supporting [RFC4090] facility bypass FRR but=
 not
<br>&gt; &gt; supporting the extensions specified in this document MUST res=
et the
<br>&gt; &gt; RI-RSVP capability (I bit) in the outgoing Node-ID based Hell=
o
<br>&gt; &gt; messages. Hence, this document updates [RFC4090] by defining
<br>&gt; &gt; extensions and additional procedures over facility protection=
 FRR
<br>&gt; &gt; defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise RI-RSVP capability=
 [RFC8370].&quot;
<br>&gt; &gt; To
<br>&gt; &gt; &quot;A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MUS=
T set the RI-
<br>&gt; &gt; RSVP capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scali=
ng
<br>&gt; &gt; Techniques [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions s=
pecified
<br>&gt; &gt; in the rest of this document. Hence, this document updates [R=
FC4090]
<br>&gt; &gt; and [RFC8370] by defining extensions and additional procedure=
s over
<br>&gt; &gt; facility protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to adve=
rtise RI-RSVP
<br>&gt; capability [RFC8370].&quot;
<br>&gt; =20
<br>&gt; This new text removes the Normative specification for nodes that d=
on&#39;t
<br>&gt; support this document, which is good.
<br>&gt; =20
<br>&gt; But what about implementations of rfc8370 that may still set the I=
 bit
<br>&gt; -- before taking the Update into account.=C2=A0 The draft talks ab=
out backwards
<br>&gt; compatibility (when some nodes don&#39;t support the new functiona=
lity), but it
<br>&gt; doesn&#39;t cover the transition period when some nodes might set =
the I bit
<br>&gt; independent of whether they support this document or not.=C2=A0 I =
would like to
<br>&gt; see in the text operational considerations of the potential impact=
 of setting
<br>&gt; the I bit even if the new functionality is not supported (a paragr=
aph or two
<br>&gt; should be enough); take a look at rfc5706/=C2=A72.3.
<br>&gt; =20
<br>&gt; Thanks!
<br>&gt; =20
<br>&gt; Alvaro.
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Deborah:

I actually don=E2=80=99t have an issue with the =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D in th=
e first sentence. :-)

I=E2=80=99ll wait for the rewording.

Thanks!!

Alvaro.

On December 5, 2019 at 12:54:29 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (db3546@att.com)
wrote:

Hi Alvaro,



Much thanks for your review =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s always great to have ano=
ther pair of eyes
=F0=9F=98=8A



I=E2=80=99m still actually stuck on the 2nd sentence (and first sentence tw=
eaking)
which Chandra agree to drop in section 4.1 in her first response. The use
of =E2=80=9Creset=E2=80=9D may have been confusing, as depending on one=E2=
=80=99s perspective, the
node may have been first supporting ri-rsvp and then implementing frr for
some LSPs, it would be a =E2=80=9Creset=E2=80=9D. The intention was to say =
=E2=80=9Cnot set=E2=80=9D the
I-bit for ri-rsvp nodes not supporting ri-rsvp-frr, when doing frr. So I
think this sentence is still appropriate to say in this update as it will
address your concern on nodes supporting 4090+8370 (but not ri-rsvp-frr).
As you say, it will be good to include some text in the compatibility
section also.



On the 1st sentence use of =E2=80=9CMAY=E2=80=9D vs. =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D=
, I think both myself and the
RTG DIR reviewer (as operators) read as saying operationally this procedure
was =E2=80=9Coptional=E2=80=9D. Networks are functioning =E2=80=93 though n=
ot at their best =E2=80=93 as
this document discusses. So an operator =E2=80=9Cmay=E2=80=9D prefer not to=
 immediately
implement. One can say there is no harm, but operators often prefer a
choice when to implement. We=E2=80=99ll restructure the sentence - as I agr=
ee with
you =E2=80=93 we should be clear =E2=80=93 when desiring to use this docume=
nt =E2=80=93 it would be
a =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D.



Let=E2=80=99s work on the rewording among the authors (including me and doc
shepherd) and then come back to the larger group with our agreement-

Deborah



*From:* iesg <iesg-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of * Alvaro Retana
*Sent:* Thursday, December 05, 2019 11:41 AM
*To:* Chandrasekar Ramachandran <csekar@juniper.net>; The IESG <
iesg@ietf.org>
*Cc:* draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org;
mpls-chairs@ietf.org; Nicolai Leymann <n.leymann@telekom.de>
*Subject:* RE: Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr-07:
(with DISCUSS and COMMENT)



Chandra:



Hi!



My question still remains: in the case of rfc4090 + rfc8370
implementations, which are not aware of this document, the I bit being set
will provide a false indication to RI-RSVP-FRR nodes.  From the
explanation/history below (thanks!), I gather that the intent was for
deployments to use rfc4090 + rfc8370 + this document at the same time.
Added text to reflect this expectation, *and* a few sentences talking about
the potential impact (as I mentioned below) would be enough to address my
concern.



Thanks!



Alvaro.



On December 5, 2019 at 9:38:02 AM, Chandrasekar Ramachandran (
csekar@juniper.net) wrote:

Hi Alvaro,
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec (which went on to become RFC8370) and
draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr started off as companion documents. Early WG
draft versions of RFC8370 (
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-02
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__tools.ietf.org_html=
_draft-2Dietf-2Dteas-2Drsvp-2Dte-2Dscaling-2Drec-2D02&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o=
9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3D-ufLqOntt6LejLMTbN3QpjYHxsObxmPKRhiF3FnmoI0&m=3Dv97iRZ=
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h1TF7nGF9I&e=3D>,
Sec 2.2) had explicit text saying that if an RFC4090 bypass implementation
opts to support RI-RSVP, then it must also implement procedures specified
in draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr (RI-RSVP-FRR). But based on WG feedback
(rightly so), it was decided that draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec
should be kept fairly generic (applicable to all data-plane technologies)
and shouldn=E2=80=99t include any MPLS specific implementation recommendati=
ons.

If an RFC4090 bypass implementation adds support for just RI-RSVP [RFC8370]
and does not add support for RI-RSVP-FRR, it leaves room for stale state to
linger around for a long time (given the long refresh-interval) after a
failover event. Section 3 "Problem Description" of RI-RSVP-FRR draft delves
on this in detail. Hence, RI-RSVP-FRR updates RFC4090 bypass FRR procedures
and makes them refresh interval independent, i.e. plugs the gap in applying
RI-RSVP [RFC8370] technique to RFC4090 bypass procedures. So, the
recommendation for RFC4090 bypass implementations is to not turn on RI-RSVP
if RI-RSVP-FRR is not supported.

Also note that RFC4090 bypass implementations that do not add support for
RI-RSVP [RFC8370] are interoperable with RI-RSVP-FRR implementations as per
the procedures defined in Section 4.6 of RI-RSVP-FRR draft.

Thanks,
Chandra.


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> <iesg@ietf.org>
> Cc: mpls-chairs@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; Nicolai Leymann
> <n.leymann@telekom.de>; draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr-07:
(with
> DISCUSS and COMMENT)
>
> On December 4, 2019 at 1:50:12 PM, Chandrasekar Ramachandran wrote:
>
> Chandra:
>
> Hi!
>
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Alvaro Retana via Datatracker
> ...
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > > DISCUSS:
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > >
> > > =C2=A74.1 (Requirement on RFC 4090 Capable Node to advertise RI-RSVP
> > > Capability)
> > > says:
> > >
> > > A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY set the RI-
> > > RSVP capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling
> > > Techniques [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions
> > > specified in the rest of this document. A node supporting [RFC4090]
> > > facility bypass FRR but not supporting the extensions specified in
> > > this document MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability (I bit) in the
> > > outgoing Node-ID based Hello messages. Hence, this document updates
> > > [RFC4090] by defining extensions and additional procedures over
> > > facility protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise
> > > RI-RSVP capability [RFC8370].
> > >
> > > I understand the intent: advertise the I bit if this specification
> > > is supported, and don't if it is not. However, the second sentence
> > > cannot be normative ("MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability") because,
> > > by definition, a node that doesn't support this specification won't
> > > implement anything in it. IOW, this document can't mandate a
> > > behavior for nodes that may not be aware of it.
> > >
> > > The conditions for supporting RI-RSVP from rfc8370/=C2=A73 don't
> > > contemplate this specification (obviously!), which means that nodes
> > > that conform to
> > > rfc8370 may advertise the capability without supporting this
> > > document. Note that rfc8370 doesn't even mention rfc4090, so the
> > > setting of the I bit seems independent to it too.
> > >
> > > I am balloting DISCUSS because the correct setting of the RI-RSVP
> > > capability is essential to the operation described in this document.
> > >
> >
> > [Chandra] I agree that what you have pointed out requires some changes
> > to the text. Would the following changes to the document address your
> > concerns adequately?
> ...
> > (3) Change the only paragraph in Section 4.1 from "A node supporting
> > [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY set the RI-RSVP capability (I
> > bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling Techniques [RFC8370] only
> > if it supports all the extensions specified in the rest of this
> > document. A node supporting [RFC4090] facility bypass FRR but not
> > supporting the extensions specified in this document MUST reset the
> > RI-RSVP capability (I bit) in the outgoing Node-ID based Hello
> > messages. Hence, this document updates [RFC4090] by defining
> > extensions and additional procedures over facility protection FRR
> > defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise RI-RSVP capability
[RFC8370]."
> > To
> > "A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MUST set the RI-
> > RSVP capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling
> > Techniques [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions specified
> > in the rest of this document. Hence, this document updates [RFC4090]
> > and [RFC8370] by defining extensions and additional procedures over
> > facility protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise
RI-RSVP
> capability [RFC8370]."
>
> This new text removes the Normative specification for nodes that don't
> support this document, which is good.
>
> But what about implementations of rfc8370 that may still set the I bit
> -- before taking the Update into account.  The draft talks about
backwards
> compatibility (when some nodes don't support the new functionality), but
it
> doesn't cover the transition period when some nodes might set the I bit
> independent of whether they support this document or not.  I would like
to
> see in the text operational considerations of the potential impact of
setting
> the I bit even if the new functionality is not supported (a paragraph or
two
> should be enough); take a look at rfc5706/=C2=A72.3.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Alvaro.

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</head><body style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"font-family:Helve=
tica,Arial;font-size:13px">Deborah:</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetic=
a,Arial;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial=
;font-size:13px">I actually don=E2=80=99t have an issue with the =E2=80=9CM=
AY=E2=80=9D in the first sentence. :-)</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helve=
tica,Arial;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Ar=
ial;font-size:13px">I=E2=80=99ll wait for the rewording.</div><div style=3D=
"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-f=
amily:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px">Thanks!!</div><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helv=
etica,Arial;font-size:13px">Alvaro.</div> <br><p class=3D"airmail_on">On De=
cember 5, 2019 at 12:54:29 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (<a href=3D"mailto:db354=
6@att.com">db3546@att.com</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=
=3D"clean_bq"><span><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div=
></div><div>






<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Alvaro,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Much thanks for your review =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s a=
lways great to have another pair of eyes<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Se=
goe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=8A</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m still actually stuck on the 2<sup>nd</su=
p> sentence (and first sentence tweaking) which Chandra agree to drop in se=
ction 4.1 in her first response. The use of =E2=80=9Creset=E2=80=9D may hav=
e been confusing, as depending on one=E2=80=99s perspective, the node
 may have been first supporting ri-rsvp and then implementing frr for some =
LSPs, it would be a =E2=80=9Creset=E2=80=9D. The intention was to say =E2=
=80=9Cnot set=E2=80=9D the I-bit for ri-rsvp nodes not supporting ri-rsvp-f=
rr, when doing frr. So I think this sentence is still appropriate
 to say in this update as it will address your concern on nodes supporting =
4090+8370 (but not ri-rsvp-frr). As you say, it will be good to include som=
e text in the compatibility section also.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On the 1<sup>st</sup> sentence use of =E2=80=9CMAY=
=E2=80=9D vs. =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D, I think both myself and the RTG DIR r=
eviewer (as operators) read as saying operationally this procedure was =E2=
=80=9Coptional=E2=80=9D. Networks are functioning =E2=80=93 though not at t=
heir best =E2=80=93 as this
 document discusses. So an operator =E2=80=9Cmay=E2=80=9D prefer not to imm=
ediately implement. One can say there is no harm, but operators often prefe=
r a choice when to implement. We=E2=80=99ll restructure the sentence - as I=
 agree with you =E2=80=93 we should be clear =E2=80=93 when desiring to
 use this document =E2=80=93 it would be a =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Let=E2=80=99s work on the rewording among the author=
s (including me and doc shepherd) and then come back to the larger group wi=
th our agreement-</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Deborah</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> iesg &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:iesg-bounces=
@ietf.org">iesg-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>
Alvaro Retana<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 05, 2019 11:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chandrasekar Ramachandran &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:csekar@juniper.n=
et">csekar@juniper.net</a>&gt;; The IESG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.or=
g">iesg@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr@ietf.org">draft-ie=
tf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@iet=
f.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a>=
; Nicolai Leymann &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:n.leymann@telekom.de">n.leymann@tel=
ekom.de</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Alvaro Retana&#39;s Discuss on draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-=
frr-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Chandra:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Hi!</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">My question still remains: in the case of rfc4090=
 + rfc8370 implementations, which are not aware of this document, the I bit=
 being set will provide a false indication to
 RI-RSVP-FRR nodes.=C2=A0 From the explanation/history below (thanks!), I g=
ather that the intent was for deployments to use rfc4090 + rfc8370 + this d=
ocument at the same time.=C2=A0 Added text to reflect this expectation, *an=
d* a few sentences talking about the potential
 impact (as I mentioned below) would be enough to address my concern.</span=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks!</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Alvaro.</span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"airmailon"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">On December 5, 2019 at 9:38:02 AM, Chandrasekar R=
amachandran (<a href=3D"mailto:csekar@juniper.net">csekar@juniper.net</a>) =
wrote:</span></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Hi Alvaro,
<br>
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec (which went on to become RFC8370) and d=
raft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr started off as companion documents. Early WG dra=
ft versions of RFC8370 (<a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url=
?u=3Dhttps-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dietf-2Dteas-2Drsvp-2Dte-2Dscalin=
g-2Drec-2D02&amp;d=3DDwMFaQ&amp;c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&amp;r=3D-ufLqOnt=
t6LejLMTbN3QpjYHxsObxmPKRhiF3FnmoI0&amp;m=3Dv97iRZLevsfR6ERGNeA6MXyJU7uVktt=
NKA5Yx5vrJEo&amp;s=3Dgd2vnbXzP7Qs-NYEm000yic_DsT6L6xb1h1TF7nGF9I&amp;e=3D">=
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec-02</a>,
 Sec 2.2) had explicit text saying that if an RFC4090 bypass implementation=
 opts to support RI-RSVP, then it must also implement procedures specified =
in draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr (RI-RSVP-FRR). But based on WG feedback (rig=
htly so), it was decided that draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-scaling-rec
 should be kept fairly generic (applicable to all data-plane technologies) =
and shouldn=E2=80=99t include any MPLS specific implementation recommendati=
ons.
<br>
<br>
If an RFC4090 bypass implementation adds support for just RI-RSVP [RFC8370]=
 and does not add support for RI-RSVP-FRR, it leaves room for stale state t=
o linger around for a long time (given the long refresh-interval) after a f=
ailover event. Section 3 &quot;Problem
 Description&quot; of RI-RSVP-FRR draft delves on this in detail. Hence, RI=
-RSVP-FRR updates RFC4090 bypass FRR procedures and makes them refresh inte=
rval independent, i.e. plugs the gap in applying RI-RSVP [RFC8370] techniqu=
e to RFC4090 bypass procedures. So, the
 recommendation for RFC4090 bypass implementations is to not turn on RI-RSV=
P if RI-RSVP-FRR is not supported.
<br>
<br>
Also note that RFC4090 bypass implementations that do not add support for R=
I-RSVP [RFC8370] are interoperable with RI-RSVP-FRR implementations as per =
the procedures defined in Section 4.6 of RI-RSVP-FRR draft.
<br>
<br>
Thanks, <br>
Chandra. <br>
<br>
<br>
Juniper Business Use Only <br>
<br>
&gt; -----Original Message----- <br>
&gt; From: Alvaro Retana &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com">aret=
ana.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;
<br>
&gt; Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 4:24 AM <br>
&gt; To: Chandrasekar Ramachandran &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:csekar@juniper..ne=
t">csekar@juniper.net</a>&gt;; The IESG
<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.org">iesg@ietf.org</a>&gt; <br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a>; =
<a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">
mpls@ietf.org</a>; Nicolai Leymann <br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:n.leymann@telekom.de">n.leymann@telekom.de</a>&g=
t;; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr@ietf.org">
draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr@ietf.org</a> <br>
&gt; Subject: RE: Alvaro Retana&#39;s Discuss on draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-fr=
r-07: (with <br>
&gt; DISCUSS and COMMENT) <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On December 4, 2019 at 1:50:12 PM, Chandrasekar Ramachandran wrote: <b=
r>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Chandra: <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hi! <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; -----Original Message----- <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; From: Alvaro Retana via Datatracker <br>
&gt; ... <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; ------------------------------------------------------------=
-------- <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; -- <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; DISCUSS: <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; ------------------------------------------------------------=
-------- <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; -- <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; =C2=A74.1 (Requirement on RFC 4090 Capable Node to advertise=
 RI-RSVP <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Capability) <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; says: <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY set =
the RI- <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; RSVP capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scal=
ing <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Techniques [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions =
<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; specified in the rest of this document. A node supporting [R=
FC4090] <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; facility bypass FRR but not supporting the extensions specif=
ied in <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; this document MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability (I bit) in t=
he <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; outgoing Node-ID based Hello messages. Hence, this document =
updates <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; [RFC4090] by defining extensions and additional procedures o=
ver <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; facility protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to adv=
ertise <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; RI-RSVP capability [RFC8370]. <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I understand the intent: advertise the I bit if this specifi=
cation <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; is supported, and don&#39;t if it is not. However, the secon=
d sentence <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; cannot be normative (&quot;MUST reset the RI-RSVP capability=
&quot;) because, <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; by definition, a node that doesn&#39;t support this specific=
ation won&#39;t <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; implement anything in it. IOW, this document can&#39;t manda=
te a <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; behavior for nodes that may not be aware of it. <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; The conditions for supporting RI-RSVP from rfc8370/=C2=A73 d=
on&#39;t <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; contemplate this specification (obviously!), which means tha=
t nodes <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; that conform to <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; rfc8370 may advertise the capability without supporting this=
 <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; document. Note that rfc8370 doesn&#39;t even mention rfc4090=
, so the <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; setting of the I bit seems independent to it too. <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I am balloting DISCUSS because the correct setting of the RI=
-RSVP <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; capability is essential to the operation described in this d=
ocument. <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; [Chandra] I agree that what you have pointed out requires some ch=
anges <br>
&gt; &gt; to the text. Would the following changes to the document address =
your <br>
&gt; &gt; concerns adequately? <br>
&gt; ... <br>
&gt; &gt; (3) Change the only paragraph in Section 4.1 from &quot;A node su=
pporting <br>
&gt; &gt; [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MAY set the RI-RSVP capability =
(I <br>
&gt; &gt; bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling Techniques [RFC8370]=
 only <br>
&gt; &gt; if it supports all the extensions specified in the rest of this <=
br>
&gt; &gt; document. A node supporting [RFC4090] facility bypass FRR but not=
 <br>
&gt; &gt; supporting the extensions specified in this document MUST reset t=
he <br>
&gt; &gt; RI-RSVP capability (I bit) in the outgoing Node-ID based Hello <b=
r>
&gt; &gt; messages. Hence, this document updates [RFC4090] by defining <br>
&gt; &gt; extensions and additional procedures over facility protection FRR=
 <br>
&gt; &gt; defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertise RI-RSVP capability [RF=
C8370].&quot; <br>
&gt; &gt; To <br>
&gt; &gt; &quot;A node supporting [RFC4090] facility protection FRR MUST se=
t the RI- <br>
&gt; &gt; RSVP capability (I bit) defined in Section 3 of RSVP-TE Scaling <=
br>
&gt; &gt; Techniques [RFC8370] only if it supports all the extensions speci=
fied <br>
&gt; &gt; in the rest of this document. Hence, this document updates [RFC40=
90] <br>
&gt; &gt; and [RFC8370] by defining extensions and additional procedures ov=
er <br>
&gt; &gt; facility protection FRR defined in [RFC4090] in order to advertis=
e RI-RSVP <br>
&gt; capability [RFC8370].&quot; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This new text removes the Normative specification for nodes that don&#=
39;t <br>
&gt; support this document, which is good. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; But what about implementations of rfc8370 that may still set the I bit=
 <br>
&gt; -- before taking the Update into account.=C2=A0 The draft talks about =
backwards <br>
&gt; compatibility (when some nodes don&#39;t support the new functionality=
), but it <br>
&gt; doesn&#39;t cover the transition period when some nodes might set the =
I bit <br>
&gt; independent of whether they support this document or not.=C2=A0 I woul=
d like to <br>
&gt; see in the text operational considerations of the potential impact of =
setting <br>
&gt; the I bit even if the new functionality is not supported (a paragraph =
or two <br>
&gt; should be enough); take a look at rfc5706/=C2=A72.3. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks! <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Alvaro. </span></p>
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        RFC 8662

        Title:      Entropy Label for Source Packet Routing 
                    in Networking (SPRING) Tunnels 
        Author:     S. Kini,
                    K. Kompella,
                    S. Sivabalan,
                    S. Litkowski,
                    R. Shakir,
                    J. Tantsura
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       December 2019
        Mailbox:    sriganeshkini@gmail.com, 
                    kireeti@juniper.net, 
                    msiva@cisco.com,
                    slitkows.ietf@gmail.com, 
                    robjs@google.com,
                    jefftant.ietf@gmail.com
        Pages:      22
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-12.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8662

        DOI:        10.17487/RFC8662

Segment Routing (SR) leverages the source-routing paradigm.  A node
steers a packet through an ordered list of instructions, called
segments. Segment Routing can be applied to the Multiprotocol Label
Switching (MPLS) data plane.  Entropy labels (ELs) are used in MPLS
to improve load-balancing. This document examines and describes how
ELs are to be applied to Segment Routing MPLS.

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        RFC 8663

        Title:      MPLS Segment Routing over IP 
        Author:     X. Xu,
                    S. Bryant,
                    A. Farrel,
                    S. Hassan,
                    W. Henderickx,
                    Z. Li
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       December 2019
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                    adrian@olddog.co.uk,
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                    lizhenbin@huawei.com
        Pages:      17
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-mpls-sr-over-ip-07.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8663

        DOI:        10.17487/RFC8663

MPLS Segment Routing (SR-MPLS) is a method of source routing a packet
through an MPLS data plane by imposing a stack of MPLS labels on the
packet to specify the path together with any packet-specific
instructions to be executed on it.  SR-MPLS can be leveraged to
realize a source-routing mechanism across MPLS, IPv4, and IPv6 data
planes by using an MPLS label stack as a source-routing instruction
set while making no changes to SR-MPLS specifications and
interworking with SR-MPLS implementations.

This document describes how SR-MPLS-capable routers and IP-only
routers can seamlessly coexist and interoperate through the use of
SR-MPLS label stacks and IP encapsulation/tunneling such as
MPLS-over-UDP as defined in RFC 7510.

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        RFC 8679

        Title:      MPLS Egress Protection Framework 
        Author:     Y. Shen, 
                    M. Jeganathan,
                    B. Decraene, 
                    H. Gredler,
                    C. Michel,
                    H. Chen
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       December 2019
        Mailbox:    yshen@juniper.net, 
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                    bruno.decraene@orange.com,
                    hannes@rtbrick.com, 
                    c.michel@telekom.de,
                    huaimo.chen@futurewei.com
        Pages:      25
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-mpls-egress-protection-framework-07.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8679

        DOI:        10.17487/RFC8679

This document specifies a fast reroute framework for protecting
IP/MPLS services and MPLS transport tunnels against egress node and
egress link failures. For each type of egress failure, it defines the
roles of Point of Local Repair (PLR), protector, and backup egress
router and the procedures of establishing a bypass tunnel from a PLR
to a protector. It describes the behaviors of these routers in
handling an egress failure, including local repair on the PLR and
context-based forwarding on the protector. The framework can be used
to develop egress protection mechanisms to reduce traffic loss before
global repair reacts to an egress failure and control-plane protocols
converge on the topology changes due to the egress failure.

This document is a product of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF.

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Working Group, authors,

We have started to prepare draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang for working
group last call, prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll.

This mail starts this IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

There are currently no IPR disclosures against draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

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I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Regards,
-Pavan

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 8:37 PM Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG of the IETF.

        Title           : RSVP-TE Summary Fast Reroute Extensions for LSP Tunnels
        Authors         : Mike Taillon
                          Tarek Saad
                          Rakesh Gandhi
                          Abhishek Deshmukh
                          Markus Jork
                          Vishnu Pavan Beeram
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte-07.txt
	Pages           : 19
	Date            : 2019-12-11

Abstract:
   This document updates the Resource Reservation Protocol (RSVP)
   Traffic-Engineering (TE) procedures that are defined in RFC 4090 for
   facility backup protection.  The updates include extensions that
   reduce the amount of signaling and processing that occurs during Fast
   Reroute (FRR), and subsequently, improves scalability when undergoing
   FRR convergence after a link or node failure.  These extensions allow
   the RSVP message exchange between the Point of Local Repair (PLR) and
   the Merge Point (MP) to be independent of the number of protected
   Label Switched Paths (LSPs) traversing between them when facility
   bypass FRR protection is used.  The signaling extensions are fully
   backwards compatible with nodes that do not support them.


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The IESG has received a request from the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG
(mpls) to consider the following document: - 'RSVP-TE Summary Fast Reroute
Extensions for LSP Tunnels'
  <draft-ietf-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte-07.txt> as Proposed Standard

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Abstract


   This document updates the Resource Reservation Protocol (RSVP)
   Traffic-Engineering (TE) procedures that are defined in RFC 4090 for
   facility backup protection.  The updates include extensions that
   reduce the amount of signaling and processing that occurs during Fast
   Reroute (FRR), and subsequently, improves scalability when undergoing
   FRR convergence after a link or node failure.  These extensions allow
   the RSVP message exchange between the Point of Local Repair (PLR) and
   the Merge Point (MP) to be independent of the number of protected
   Label Switched Paths (LSPs) traversing between them when facility
   bypass FRR protection is used.  The signaling extensions are fully
   backwards compatible with nodes that do not support them.




The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte/ballot/

The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:

   https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2559/






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        RFC 8690

        Title:      Clarification of Segment ID Sub-TLV 
                    Length for RFC 8287 
        Author:     N. Nainar,
                    C. Pignataro,
                    F. Iqbal,
                    A. Vainshtein
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       December 2019
        Mailbox:    naikumar@cisco.com, 
                    cpignata@cisco.com, 
                    faisal.ietf@gmail.com,
                    vainshtein.alex@gmail.com
        Pages:      7
        Updates:    RFC 8287

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-mpls-rfc8287-len-clarification-04.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8690

        DOI:        10.17487/RFC8690

RFC 8287 defines the extensions to perform LSP Ping and Traceroute
for Segment Routing IGP-Prefix and IGP-Adjacency Segment Identifiers
(SIDs) with the MPLS data plane. RFC 8287 proposes three Target
Forwarding Equivalence Class (FEC) Stack sub-TLVs. While RFC 8287
defines the format and procedure to handle those sub-TLVs, it does
not sufficiently clarify how the length of the Segment ID sub-TLVs
should be computed to be included in the Length field of the
sub-TLVs. This ambiguity has resulted in interoperability issues.

This document updates RFC 8287 by clarifying the length of each of
the Segment ID sub-TLVs defined in RFC 8287.

This document is a product of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF.

This is now a Proposed Standard.

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The MPLS WG has placed draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control in state
Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Loa Andersson)

The document is available at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control/

Comment:
draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control is in MPLS RT review


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Reviewer: Gorry Fairhurst
Review result: Ready with Nits

This document has been reviewed as part of the transport area review team's
ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written
primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the document's
authors and WG to allow them to address any issues raised and also to the IETF
discussion list for information.

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review as part of the last-call comments they receive. Please always CC
tsv-art@ietf.org if you reply to or forward this review.

I did not understand that there were transport-related issues, but I have one
request, some comments on RFC2119 language and a set of NiTs that I think
should be addressed.

I could not see where it explained how this could be done:
/   When using procedures defined in this document, the PLR MUST ensure
   bypass tunnel assignment can satisfy the protected LSP MTU
   requirements post FRR./

RFC2119 Language:

I think the following sentence is long and hard to parse. I think this needs to
be reworded to clarify the meaning of the SHOULD: /The PLR SHOULD assign the
same Bypass_Group_Identifier to all
   protected LSPs that share the egress link, and bypass tunnel as long
   as the protected LSP(s) have the common group attributes, including
   the modified tunnel sender address used for backup path
   identification as described in [RFC4090]./

It seems strange to have the RFC2119 requirements as parenthesis, please
consider making these separate requirements: /The PLR also
   generates a MESSAGE_ID object (flags SHOULD be clear, Epoch and
   Message_Identifier MUST be set according to [RFC2961])./

Is the following intended as an RFC2119 /MAY/? - mentioned more than once:
/One or more Bypass_Group_Identifiers may be included./

NiTs:

The abbreviation MTU was not defined in the abbreviations list, although
well-known this is probably helpful.

The following typos should be corrected (suggestions included):
/MP node for similar/MP node for a similar/
/to help with the scale. /to help with scaling/
/one ore more groups/one or more groups/
/are proposed in this draft to describe/are proposed in this document to
describe/ /With exception of /With the exception of /

This phrase didn’t make sense to me:
/that are being protected by the specified bypass tunnel are being rerouted./

This sentence is long and hard to parse:
/  The PLR node that supports Summary FRR procedures adds the Extended
   ASSOCIATION object with Type B-SFRR-Ready and respective Extended
   Association ID in the RSVP Path message of the protected LSP to
   inform the MP of the PLR's assigned bypass tunnel, Summary FRR
   Bypass_Group_Identifier, and the MESSAGE_ID that the PLR will use to
   refresh the protected LSP Path state after FRR occurs./

Is this:
/The PLR considers the protected LSP as Summary FRR capable only if
   all the fields in the B-SFRR-Ready Extended ASSOCIATION ID that are
   sent in the RSVP Path message and the ones received in the RSVP Resv
   message (with exception of the MESSAGE_ID) match. /
Better as:
/The PLR considers the protected LSP as Summary FRR capable only if
   all the fields in the B-SFRR-Ready Extended ASSOCIATION ID that are
   sent in the RSVP Path message match the fields received in the RSVP Resv 
   message (with exception of the MESSAGE_ID). /

Is this correct English, or should it be:
/If it does not match,/If the fields do not match,/


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Subject: [mpls] draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang IPR poll -- Fwd: draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang
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Working Group,

I got this from Igor as response for the IPR poll.

/Loa


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Subject: 	draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang
Date: 	Fri, 13 Dec 2019 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: 	Igor Bryskin <i_bryskin@yahoo.com>
To: 	Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>



Hi Loa,
I am not aware of IPR pertaining to this draft. Please, pass this onto 
MPLS WG list.
Regards,
Igor

Working Group, authors,

We have started to prepare draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang for working
group last call, prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll.

This mail starts this IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs3979, 4879 <tel:+443979,4879>,3669 <tel:+443669>and5378 
<tel:+445378>for more details).

There are currently no IPR disclosures against draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.


/Loa
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I am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft.

Thanks,
Siva

From: Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 12:22 PM
To: draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org; lizhenbin@huawei.com; mach.chen=
@huawei.com; swallow.ietf@gmail.com; Siva Sivabalan (msiva) <msiva@cisco.co=
m>; gregimirsky@gmail.com
Cc: MPLS Working Group <mpls-chairs@ietf.org>; mpls@ietf.org
Subject: Re: IPR Poll: draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework

Hi all,

Here's status of IPR responses from co-authors that I've received so far.
@ Robin and Siva, can you please respond to this IPR poll.

Stewart Bryant: received
Gregory Mirsky: received
Mach Chen: received
George Swallow: received

Zhenbin Li: *not*received
Siva Sivabalan: *not*received

Regards,
Tarek

From: Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com<mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 11:53 PM
To: "mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.org>" <mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.o=
rg>>, "draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-fr=
amework@ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org<mailto:draft-iet=
f-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org>>
Cc: MPLS Working Group <mpls-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org>>
Subject: IPR Poll: draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework

Hi Authors and MPLS WG,

We are currently preparing draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework for working group =
last call. Part of this preparation is to do an IPR poll.
This email is to start the IPR poll.

If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework pleas=
e respond to this email, and indicate whether it has been disclosed in acco=
rdance to the IETF IPR rules (detailed are described in RFCs 3979, 4879, 36=
69 and 5378).

If you are an author or contributor please respond to this email regardless=
 of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an author or con=
tributor, please explicitly respond only if you're aware of IPR that has no=
t yet been disclosed.

This document will advance to WGLC only when all IPR confirmations from all=
 authors and contributors have been received.

Regards,
Tarek/Loa/Nic


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ny IPR applicable to this draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Thanks,<o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Siva<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b>=
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> Tarek Saad &lt;tsaad.net@gmail.com&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 2, 2019 12:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org; lizhenbin@huawei.com; ma=
ch.chen@huawei.com; swallow.ietf@gmail.com; Siva Sivabalan (msiva) &lt;msiv=
a@cisco.com&gt;; gregimirsky@gmail.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> MPLS Working Group &lt;mpls-chairs@ietf.org&gt;; mpls@ietf.org<b=
r>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: IPR Poll: draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework<o:p></o:p></spa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here&#8217;s status of IPR responses from co-authors=
 that I&#8217;ve received so far.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">@ Robin and Siva, can you please respond to this IPR=
 poll.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stewart Bryant: received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gregory Mirsky: received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mach Chen: received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">George Swallow: received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Zhenbin Li: *not*received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Siva Sivabalan: *not*received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tarek<o:p></o:p></p>
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ad.net@gmail.com">tsaad.net@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 11:53 PM<br>
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pls-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">Hi Authors and MPLS WG,<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">We are currently prepari=
ng draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework for working group last call. Part of this =
preparation is to do an IPR poll.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">This email is to start t=
he IPR poll.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">If you are aware of&nbsp=
;IPR&nbsp;that applies to&nbsp;draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework please respond=
 to this email, and indicate whether it has been disclosed in accordance to=
 the IETF&nbsp;IPR&nbsp;rules (detailed are described in RFCs
 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">If you are an&nbsp;autho=
r or contributor&nbsp;please respond to this email regardless of whether or=
 not you're aware of any&nbsp;IPR. If you are not an author or contributor,=
 please explicitly respond only if you're aware of&nbsp;IPR&nbsp;that
 has not yet been disclosed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">This document will advan=
ce to WGLC only when all IPR&nbsp;confirmations from all authors and contri=
butors have been received.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:1.0in">Tarek/Loa/Nic<o:p></o:p>=
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I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang.
Thanks,
- Xufeng

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 10:22 AM Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi) <rgandhi@cisco.com>
wrote:

> Hi Loa, WG,
>
> =EF=BB=BFI am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft that should b=
e
> disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules.
>
> Thanks,
> Rakesh
>
>
>     On 12/8/19, 9:36 PM, "Loa Andersson" <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
>
>         Working Group, authors,
>
>         We have started to prepare draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang for working
>         group last call, prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll.
>
>         This mail starts this IPR poll.
>
>         Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-base-yan=
g?
>
>         If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR
> rules
>         (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
>         There are currently no IPR disclosures against
> draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang.
>
>         If you are listed as a document author or contributor please
> respond to
>         this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any
> relevant
>         IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.*
> The
>         document will not advance to the next stage until a response has
> been
>         received from each author and contributor.
>
>         If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an
> author or
>         contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware
> of any
>         IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rule=
s.
>
>
>         /Loa
>           mpls wg co-chair
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>
>
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l,Helvetica,sans-serif;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:n=
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 href=3D"mailto:rgandhi@cisco.com">rgandhi@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;paddi=
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<br>
=EF=BB=BFI am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft that should be =
disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Rakesh<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 12/8/19, 9:36 PM, &quot;Loa Andersson&quot; &lt;<a href=3D=
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<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Working Group, authors,<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 We have started to prepare draft-ietf-mpls-base=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 group last call, prior to the wglc we need to d=
o an IPR poll.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This mail starts this IPR poll.<br>
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tails).<br>
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draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang.<br>
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ibutor please respond to<br>
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il a response has been<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 received from each author and contributor.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are no=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conforma=
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<br>
<br>
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Reviewer: Theresa Enghardt
Review result: Almost Ready

I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area
Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed
by the IESG for the IETF Chair.  Please treat these comments just
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Document: draft-ietf-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte-07
Reviewer: Theresa Enghardt
Review Date: 2019-12-16
IETF LC End Date: 2019-12-25
IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat

Summary: This document is well-written and almost ready for publication. There
are just a few minor points that should be addressed to make the contributions
of this document clearer to non-experts.

Major issues: None.

Minor issues:

After the motivation and problem statement (control plane gets overwhelmed),
the current text does not introduce what a bypass tunnel assignment group is or
give a high-level summary of what the solution to the problem is. To make the
text easier to understand, consider including a brief summary by adding some
text like the following: "Right now, for each LSP the FRR is signaled
individually. With the extension defined in this document, a PLR can assign
multiple LSPs to a bypass tunnel assignment group and communicate this
information to the MP, such that upon failure, the LSP only has to send one
message per LSP." Is the bypass tunnel assignment group or bypass group
identifier a new concept or has it already existed at the PLR, but now it is
additionally communicated to the MP? "[…] to enable a MP node to become aware
of the PLR node's bypass tunnel assignment group" sounds like it has existed
before. In this case, it would be good to provide a reference where it has been
defined.

Is the Summary Refresh procedure mentioned in the last paragraph of the
Introduction the same as the solution introduced above, i.e., signaling the
bypass tunnel for multiple LSPs, or is this another MPLS mechanism that is
being extended? In other words, is this solving the same problem (communicating
backup tunnels for multiple LSPs after a node or link has failed) or is this
solving a different but related problem? Was it previously not possible to
exchange MESSAGE_ID information for rerouted Path and Resv states? Consider
changing the beginning of this paragraph to make it clear whether another
mechanism is introduced or whether this just provides more details on the
mechanism that was already mentioned.

3. Extensions for Summary FRR Signaling
Does the previously defined RSVP ASSOCIATION object only allow to associate one
LSP to one backup tunnel, and now the extension allows to signal multiple LSPs
to the same backup tunnel? Consider stating this explicitly.

3.3
"the PLR MUST ensure bypass tunnel assignment can satisfy the protected LSP MTU
requirements post FRR" - Is there an existing mechanism to do this?

3.4.1
"The RSVP_HOP_Object field in the B-SFRR-Active Extended ASSOCIATION
   ID is set to the common RSVP_HOP that was used by the PLR in
   Section 3.4 of this document."
→ "was used by the PLR in Section 3.4"? But this text is in 3.4. Is this really
referencing to the same section? Or, as RSVP_HOP has been mentioned in the
previous sections, is the intention to refer back to a previous section?

5. Security Considerations
"slightly more information could be deduced about the state of the network"?
Consider providing one or two examples of additional information that could be
deduced. What could be the impact of an adversary deducing this information?

Nits/editorial comments:

Introduction:
"MP" is currently expanded on second use, should be on first use
"when the failure affects large number of protected LSPs" -> "when the failure
affects a large number of protected LSPs" Consider expanding "LER"

3.4.2
"and that would have exchanged in a Path message sent to the MP" -> "and that
would have been exchanged in a Path message sent to the MP"?


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I am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft.

Best Regards,
Zhenbin (Robin)



From: Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com<mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: IPR Poll: draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework

Hi all,

Here's status of IPR responses from co-authors that I've received so far.
@ Robin and Siva, can you please respond to this IPR poll.

Stewart Bryant: received
Gregory Mirsky: received
Mach Chen: received
George Swallow: received

Zhenbin Li: *not*received
Siva Sivabalan: *not*received

Regards,
Tarek

From: Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com<mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 11:53 PM
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Subject: IPR Poll: draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework

Hi Authors and MPLS WG,

We are currently preparing draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework for working group =
last call. Part of this preparation is to do an IPR poll.
This email is to start the IPR poll.

If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework pleas=
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This document will advance to WGLC only when all IPR confirmations from all=
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 not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Best=
 Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Zhen=
bin (Robin)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">F=
rom:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> Tarek Saad =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com">tsaad.net@gmail.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 2, 2019 12:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org">draft-=
ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:lizhenbin@huawei.com">lizhenbin@huawei.com</a>; <a href=
=3D"mailto:mach.chen@huawei.com">
mach.chen@huawei.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:swallow.ietf@gmail.com">swallow=
.ietf@gmail.com</a>; Siva Sivabalan (msiva) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:msiva@cis=
co.com">msiva@cisco.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> MPLS Working Group &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org">m=
pls-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: IPR Poll: draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Here&#8217;s status of IPR resp=
onses from co-authors that I&#8217;ve received so far.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">@ Robin and Siva, can you pleas=
e respond to this IPR poll.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Stewart Bryant: received<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Gregory Mirsky: received<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Mach Chen: received<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">George Swallow: received<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Zhenbin Li: *not*received<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Siva Sivabalan: *not*received<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Tarek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
 style=3D"color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Tarek Saad &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com">tsaad.net@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 11:53 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D=
"mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org">draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framewo=
rk@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@i=
etf.org">draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>MPLS Working Group &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org">m=
pls-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>IPR Poll: draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework</span><span lang=3D=
"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi=
 Authors and MPLS WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We=
 are currently preparing draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-framework for working group la=
st call. Part of this preparation is to do an IPR poll.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Th=
is email is to start the IPR poll.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">If=
 you are aware of&nbsp;IPR&nbsp;that applies to&nbsp;draft-ietf-mpls-sfl-fr=
amework please respond to this email, and indicate whether it has been disc=
losed in accordance to the IETF&nbsp;IPR&nbsp;rules (detailed are
 described in RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">If=
 you are an&nbsp;author or contributor&nbsp;please respond to this email re=
gardless of whether or not you're aware of any&nbsp;IPR. If you are not an =
author or contributor, please explicitly respond only
 if you're aware of&nbsp;IPR&nbsp;that has not yet been disclosed.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Th=
is document will advance to WGLC only when all IPR&nbsp;confirmations from =
all authors and contributors have been received.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Re=
gards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Ta=
rek/Loa/Nic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&n=
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Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is rea=
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Working Group,

This is to initiate a "two week" working group last call on
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Directed Return Path
        Authors         : Greg Mirsky
                          Jeff  Tantsura
                          Ilya Varlashkin
                          Mach(Guoyi) Chen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-13.txt
	Pages           : 9
	Date            : 2019-12-19

Abstract:
   Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) is expected to be able to
   monitor a wide variety of encapsulations of paths between systems.
   When a BFD session monitors an explicitly routed unidirectional path
   there may be a need to direct egress BFD peer to use a specific path
   for the reverse direction of the BFD session.


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Dear All,
a new Implementation Status section has been added.
Your comments, questions are always welcome and greatly appreciated.

Regards,
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Name:           draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed
Revision:       13
Title:          Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Directed Return
Path
Document date:  2019-12-19
Group:          mpls
Pages:          9
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Abstract:
   Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) is expected to be able to
   monitor a wide variety of encapsulations of paths between systems.
   When a BFD session monitors an explicitly routed unidirectional path
   there may be a need to direct egress BFD peer to use a specific path
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear All,<div>a new Implementation Status section has been=
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ppreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg<br><br><div cl=
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/a>&gt;, Mach Chen (Guoyi) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mach.chen@huawei.com">mach=
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+1, support progress=20

Regards,
Jeff

> On Dec 21, 2019, at 11:14, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BFHi Loa,=20
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> I have rereviewed the draft and support publication. As a co-author of RFC=
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>   1. Since "loadshare" is not a well know compound word, I'd recommend rep=
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> Acee
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> =EF=BB=BFOn 12/19/19, 3:22 AM, "mpls on behalf of Loa Andersson" <mpls-bou=
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>    Working Group,
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>    This is to initiate a "two week" working group last call on
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>    Mote: We are allowing for the holiday season and intend to close the
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>    This working group last call ends Friday January 10, 2020.
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Working Group Name: Multiprotocol Label Switching
Area Name: Routing Area
Session Requester: Mach Chen

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  2 Hours
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Hi Kamran,

Thanks for the reply. Looking forward to the next rev.

Happy Holidays!

Thanks,
Yingzhen

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 10:10 AM Kamran Raza (skraza) <skraza@cisco.com>
wrote:

> Hi Yingzhen,
>
> Thanks for your detailed review. We are addressing your comments as well
> as YD comments and plan to spin a new rev in new year.
> Please see our response inline - tagged as [skraza]
>
> =EF=BB=BFOn 2019-11-01, 5:25 PM, "mpls on behalf of Yingzhen Qu via Datat=
racker" <
> mpls-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>
>     Reviewer: Yingzhen Qu
>     Review result: Has Issues
>
>     I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this
> draft. The
>     Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related
> drafts as
>     they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on
> special
>     request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the
> Routing ADs.
>     For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see
>     http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir
>
>     Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs,
> it would
>     be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last
> Call
>     comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through
> discussion or by
>     updating the draft.
>
>     Document: draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-yang
>     Reviewer: Yingzhen Qu
>     Review Date: Nov 1st, 2019
>     Intended Status: Standards Track
>
>     Summary:
>
>     This document is near ready for publication. It has some issues that
> should be
>     at least considered prior to publication.
>
>     Comments:
>
>     Thanks for working on this draft. As an active YANG contributor I
> appreciate
>     the work here.
>
>     Major issues:
>
>     I=E2=80=99m not sure whether this should be considered as a major iss=
ue, which
> is how
>     the document is structured. The draft separates the configuration and
> operation
>     states into two sections, and this seems to be a before NMDA product
> and a bit
>     redundant to me. The tree structures are used in different ways
> multiple times
>     in the document, and this significantly reduces the readability of th=
e
> modules.
>
> [skraza]: Ack. Will fix.
>
>     Minor Issues:
>
>     I feel the English in this draft could be improved, but I=E2=80=99m n=
ot a
> native
>     speaker. Maybe RFC editor will help with this?
>
>     It seems that =E2=80=9Cmodel=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cmodule=E2=80=9D ar=
e used exchangeable in this
> document,
>     please make them consistent.
>
> [skraza]: Ack. Will fix.
>
>     =E2=80=9CYANG=E2=80=9D should be capital cased, and there are =E2=80=
=9Cyang=E2=80=9D at multiple
> places in this
>     document. Please fix them.
>
> [skraza]: Ack. Will fix.
>
>     Please consider add names to figures.
>
> [skraza]: Ack. Will fix.
>
>     I understand inheritance is an important feature of document. I=E2=80=
=99d
> suggest maybe
>     add a section/paragraph in =E2=80=9Coverview=E2=80=9D to introduce th=
e concept and how
> it works
>     instead of repeating the idea with examples in every major container
> design.
>
>
>  [skraza]: Ack. Will see how to address this.
>
>     Nits for your consideration:
> [skraza]: Ack to all the below nits - will fix.
>
> Rgds-
> --
> Kamran (on behalf of authors)
>
>     Section 1.1
>     Whereas, the "extended" category contains all other non-base features=
.
>     Please consider remove =E2=80=9Call=E2=80=9D because not all other fe=
atures are
> covered.
>
>     Section 3
>     extended "ietf-mpls-ldp-extended" module that models the extended
>           LDP features and augments the base LDP
>     Please consider removed =E2=80=9Cextended=E2=80=9D at the beginning, =
and add =E2=80=9Cmodule=E2=80=9D
> at the
>     end, =E2=80=9Caugments the base LDP module=E2=80=9D.
>
>     There are four main containers in our module(s):
>     I suppose you meant =E2=80=9Cfour types of containers=E2=80=9D?
>
>     Section 4
>     under LDP base and extended.
>     Please add a =E2=80=9Cmodule=E2=80=9D at the end.
>
>     Section 5
>     Following is the high-level configuration organization for base LDP:
>     Please add a =E2=80=9Cmodule=E2=80=9D at the end.
>
>     Typo in figure 3 =E2=80=9Ctargeteted=E2=80=9D
>
>     Typo in figure 4 =E2=80=9Ctargeteted=E2=80=9D
>
>     Given the configuration hierarchy, the model allows inheritance such
>        that an item in a child tree is able to derive value from a simila=
r
>        or related item in one of the parent.
>     for grammar, it should be =E2=80=9Cone of the parents=E2=80=9D, but t=
his sentence is a
> bit
>     confusing. I=E2=80=99d suggest add a bit more explanation how inherit=
ance work.
>
>     5.1.1
>     Missing period =E2=80=9C.=E2=80=9D at the end of the first sentence.
>
>     The tree showing here is not a complete tree, just want to make sure
> whether
>     this is intentional?
>
>     5.1.2
>     Missing period =E2=80=9C.=E2=80=9D at the end of the first sentence.
>
>     5.2.1.1
>     =E2=80=9CLSR id=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CLSR Id=E2=80=9D both are used h=
ere, please keep them consistent.
>
>     5.2.1.5
>     Missing =E2=80=9C.=E2=80=9D at the end of the first paragraph.
>
>     =E2=80=9CA peer is uniquely identified using its
>      LSR Id and hence LSR Id is the key for peer list=E2=80=9D
>     Please consider simplify the sentence to =E2=80=9CA peer is uniquely
> identified by its
>     LSR Id.=E2=80=9D
>
>     Section 6
>     =E2=80=9C  Operational state of LDP can be queried and obtained from =
read-only
>        state containers that fall under the same tree (/rt:routing/
>        rt:control-plane-protocols/) as the configuration.=E2=80=9D
>     This sentence is a bit confusing. Please consider revise it.
>
>     _______________________________________________
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>     https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi=C2=A0Kamran,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the reply. L=
ooking forward to the next rev.</div><div><br></div><div>Happy Holidays!</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Yingzhen</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 23, 2019=
 at 10:10 AM Kamran Raza (skraza) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:skraza@cisco.com">s=
kraza@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:so=
lid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Yingzhen,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your detailed review. We are addressing your comments as well as=
 YD comments and plan to spin a new rev in new year.<br>
Please see our response inline - tagged as [skraza]<br>
<br>
=EF=BB=BFOn 2019-11-01, 5:25 PM, &quot;mpls on behalf of Yingzhen Qu via Da=
tatracker&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">mpls-bounces@ietf.org</a> on behalf of <a href=3D"mailto:noreply@ietf.o=
rg" target=3D"_blank">noreply@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reviewer: Yingzhen Qu<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Review result: Has Issues<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for =
this draft. The<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-re=
lated drafts as<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometim=
es on special<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance t=
o the Routing ADs.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 For more information about the Routing Directorate, please se=
e<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgD=
ir" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rt=
g/trac/wiki/RtgDir</a><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Rout=
ing ADs, it would<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IE=
TF Last Call<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through=
 discussion or by<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 updating the draft.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Document: draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-yang<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reviewer: Yingzhen Qu<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Review Date: Nov 1st, 2019<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Intended Status: Standards Track<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Summary:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document is near ready for publication. It has some issu=
es that should be<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 at least considered prior to publication.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Comments:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks for working on this draft. As an active YANG contribut=
or I appreciate<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the work here.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Major issues:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m not sure whether this should be considered as a m=
ajor issue, which is how<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the document is structured. The draft separates the configura=
tion and operation<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 states into two sections, and this seems to be a before NMDA =
product and a bit<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 redundant to me. The tree structures are used in different wa=
ys multiple times<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 in the document, and this significantly reduces the readabili=
ty of the modules.<br>
<br>
[skraza]: Ack. Will fix.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Minor Issues:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I feel the English in this draft could be improved, but I=E2=
=80=99m not a native<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 speaker. Maybe RFC editor will help with this?<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 It seems that =E2=80=9Cmodel=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cmodule=E2=
=80=9D are used exchangeable in this document,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 please make them consistent.<br>
<br>
[skraza]: Ack. Will fix.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9CYANG=E2=80=9D should be capital cased, and there are=
 =E2=80=9Cyang=E2=80=9D at multiple places in this<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 document. Please fix them.<br>
<br>
[skraza]: Ack. Will fix.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please consider add names to figures.<br>
<br>
[skraza]: Ack. Will fix.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I understand inheritance is an important feature of document.=
 I=E2=80=99d suggest maybe<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 add a section/paragraph in =E2=80=9Coverview=E2=80=9D to intr=
oduce the concept and how it works<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 instead of repeating the idea with examples in every major co=
ntainer design.<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0[skraza]: Ack. Will see how to address this.=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Nits for your consideration:<br>
[skraza]: Ack to all the below nits - will fix.<br>
<br>
Rgds-<br>
--<br>
Kamran (on behalf of authors)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Section 1.1<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Whereas, the &quot;extended&quot; category contains all other=
 non-base features.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please consider remove =E2=80=9Call=E2=80=9D because not all =
other features are covered.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Section 3<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 extended &quot;ietf-mpls-ldp-extended&quot; module that model=
s the extended<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 LDP features and augments the base LDP<b=
r>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please consider removed =E2=80=9Cextended=E2=80=9D at the beg=
inning, and add =E2=80=9Cmodule=E2=80=9D at the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 end, =E2=80=9Caugments the base LDP module=E2=80=9D.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are four main containers in our module(s):<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I suppose you meant =E2=80=9Cfour types of containers=E2=80=
=9D?<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Section 4<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 under LDP base and extended.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please add a =E2=80=9Cmodule=E2=80=9D at the end.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Section 5<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Following is the high-level configuration organization for ba=
se LDP:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please add a =E2=80=9Cmodule=E2=80=9D at the end.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Typo in figure 3 =E2=80=9Ctargeteted=E2=80=9D<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Typo in figure 4 =E2=80=9Ctargeteted=E2=80=9D<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Given the configuration hierarchy, the model allows inheritan=
ce such<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0that an item in a child tree is able to derive v=
alue from a similar<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or related item in one of the parent.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 for grammar, it should be =E2=80=9Cone of the parents=E2=80=
=9D, but this sentence is a bit<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 confusing. I=E2=80=99d suggest add a bit more explanation how=
 inheritance work.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 5.1.1<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Missing period =E2=80=9C.=E2=80=9D at the end of the first se=
ntence.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The tree showing here is not a complete tree, just want to ma=
ke sure whether<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 this is intentional?<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 5.1.2<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Missing period =E2=80=9C.=E2=80=9D at the end of the first se=
ntence.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 5.2.1.1<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9CLSR id=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CLSR Id=E2=80=9D both ar=
e used here, please keep them consistent.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 5.2.1.5<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Missing =E2=80=9C.=E2=80=9D at the end of the first paragraph=
.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9CA peer is uniquely identified using its<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0LSR Id and hence LSR Id is the key for peer list=E2=80=
=9D<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please consider simplify the sentence to =E2=80=9CA peer is u=
niquely identified by its<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 LSR Id.=E2=80=9D<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Section 6<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9C=C2=A0 Operational state of LDP can be queried and o=
btained from read-only<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0state containers that fall under the same tree (=
/rt:routing/<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0rt:control-plane-protocols/) as the configuratio=
n.=E2=80=9D<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This sentence is a bit confusing. Please consider revise it.<=
br>
<br>
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All,

I=E2=80=99ve been selected as an MPLS-RT reviewer for draft-bryant-mpls-sfl=
-control,
which is currently a candidate for MPLS WG adoption.

In general I believe that the draft is ready for WG adoption. However, I
have a few minor comments which may be addressed either before or after WG
adoption.

1. The Security Considerations section says "It is assumed that this
protocol is run in a well managed MPLS network with strict access controls
preventing unwanted parties from generating MPLS OAM packets." While this
is true of most (all?) MPLS networks, this assumption should also be stated
in the abstract or Introduction as well.

2. Section 8 contains the line "Force references to appear with mkd
[RFC3032] [RFC5036]". However, both references appear elsewhere as well, so
this line can be removed.

3. I would move "I-D.ietf-mpls-sfl-framework" to the Normative References,
as understanding it is necessary to understand this draft.

4. The text in Section 2 is out of date. The current wording is:

The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
"SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and
"OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in BCP 14
[RFC2119] [RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear in all capitals, as
shown here.

RFC 8174 should also be added as a normative reference.

5. When this draft was last updated, Stewart included the following in an
email message to the MPLS WG:

"Next to do is authors of draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control to check that
this is suitable to be called by another protocol to act on its behalf.
When we are satisfied that that is that case and any consequentially
necessary amendments have been make to the other drafts we will
request adoption of draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control and then WGLC on all
three."

There's been no follow-up indication that this analysis has occurred, or
further revision to the draft. If it has, the authors should indicate as
such on the list. If it hasn't, then this will serve as a reminder to the
authors.

Thanks,
Andy

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<div dir=3D"ltr">All,<br><br>I=E2=80=99ve been selected as an MPLS-RT revie=
wer for draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-control,<br>which is currently a candidate fo=
r MPLS WG adoption.<br><br>In general I believe that the draft is ready for=
 WG adoption. However, I have a few minor comments which may be addressed e=
ither before or after WG adoption.<br><br>1. The Security Considerations se=
ction says &quot;It is assumed that this protocol is run in a well managed =
MPLS network with strict access controls preventing unwanted parties from g=
enerating MPLS OAM packets.&quot; While this is true of most (all?) MPLS ne=
tworks, this assumption should also be stated in the abstract or Introducti=
on as well.<br><br>2. Section 8 contains the line &quot;Force references to=
 appear with mkd [RFC3032] [RFC5036]&quot;. However, both references appear=
 elsewhere as well, so this line can be removed.<br><br>3. I would move &qu=
ot;I-D.ietf-mpls-sfl-framework&quot; to the Normative References, as unders=
tanding it is necessary to understand this draft.<br><br>4. The text in Sec=
tion 2 is out of date. The current wording is:<br><br>The key words &quot;M=
UST&quot;, &quot;MUST NOT&quot;, &quot;REQUIRED&quot;, &quot;SHALL&quot;, &=
quot;SHALL NOT&quot;, &quot;SHOULD&quot;, &quot;SHOULD NOT&quot;, &quot;REC=
OMMENDED&quot;, &quot;NOT RECOMMENDED&quot;, &quot;MAY&quot;, and &quot;OPT=
IONAL&quot; in this document are to be interpreted as described in BCP 14 [=
RFC2119] [RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear in all capitals, as sho=
wn here.<br><br>RFC 8174 should also be added as a normative reference.<br>=
<br>5. When this draft was last updated, Stewart included the following in =
an email message to the MPLS WG:<br><br>&quot;Next to do is authors of draf=
t-bryant-mpls-sfl-control to check that <br>this is suitable to be called b=
y another protocol to act on its behalf.<br>When we are satisfied that that=
 is that case and any consequentially <br>necessary amendments have been ma=
ke to the other drafts we will<br>request adoption of draft-bryant-mpls-sfl=
-control and then WGLC on all <br>three.&quot;<br><br>There&#39;s been no f=
ollow-up indication that this analysis has occurred, or further revision to=
 the draft. If it has, the authors should indicate as such on the list. If =
it hasn&#39;t, then this will serve as a reminder to the authors.<br><br>Th=
anks,<br>Andy<br><div><br></div></div>

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