From owner-msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Mon Dec 2 17:11:23 2002 Received: from network-services.uoregon.edu (network-services.uoregon.edu [128.223.60.21]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA14475 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from network-services.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB2Lxng9027434 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id gB2LxnVk027433 for msdp-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sith.maoz.com (sith.maoz.com [205.167.76.10]) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB2Lxlg9027424; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:59:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dmm@localhost) by sith.maoz.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id gB2M0ZkX027622; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:00:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:00:35 -0800 From: David Meyer To: msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Cc: mboned@network-services.uoregon.edu Subject: [MSDP] Reminder -- MSDP WG last call ends at 1700 PST Today Message-ID: <20021202140035.A27616@sprint.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Archive: ftp://ns.uoregon.edu/mailing-lists/msdp.archive X-Subscribe: majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu X-Unsubscribe: majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu So please get comments to the list if you have them. Thanks, Dave From owner-msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Mon Dec 2 17:15:35 2002 Received: from network-services.uoregon.edu (network-services.uoregon.edu [128.223.60.21]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA14693 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from network-services.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB2Lxng9027434 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id gB2LxnVk027433 for msdp-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sith.maoz.com (sith.maoz.com [205.167.76.10]) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB2Lxlg9027424; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:59:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dmm@localhost) by sith.maoz.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id gB2M0ZkX027622; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:00:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:00:35 -0800 From: David Meyer To: msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Cc: mboned@network-services.uoregon.edu Subject: [MSDP] Reminder -- MSDP WG last call ends at 1700 PST Today Message-ID: <20021202140035.A27616@sprint.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Archive: ftp://ns.uoregon.edu/mailing-lists/msdp.archive X-Subscribe: majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu X-Unsubscribe: majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu So please get comments to the list if you have them. Thanks, Dave From owner-msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Tue Dec 3 12:31:58 2002 Received: from network-services.uoregon.edu (network-services.uoregon.edu [128.223.60.21]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04947 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from network-services.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB3HNrg9019914 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id gB3HNrPe019913 for msdp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sith.maoz.com (sith.maoz.com [205.167.76.10]) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB3HNpg9019903; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dmm@localhost) by sith.maoz.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id gB3HOVDQ032615; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:24:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:24:31 -0800 From: David Meyer To: Pekka Savola Cc: Mike McBride , msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu, mboned@network-services.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [MSDP] Reminder -- MSDP WG last call ends at 1700 PST Today Message-ID: <20021203092431.C32577@sprint.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from pekkas@netcore.fi on Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 07:20:58PM +0200 Sender: owner-msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Archive: ftp://ns.uoregon.edu/mailing-lists/msdp.archive X-Subscribe: majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu X-Unsubscribe: majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu >> I'm wondering why folks even bothered to request comments on the draft if >> there's no intention to make any changes to it. We'll make substantive changes. However, we cycled this way for many years, and the goal here is to get something done. >> IMO, changes that clarify the protocol (ie. ones that are not protocol >> enhancements) are very much in the scope of the informational RFC. >> That's definitely something that someone wanting to build an interoperable >> implementation would find useful. We have had very positive comments from implementors. Not of your comments were substantive changes to the spec, so I see no reason to cycle yet again. Dave From owner-msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Tue Dec 3 12:35:53 2002 Received: from network-services.uoregon.edu (network-services.uoregon.edu [128.223.60.21]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05133 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from network-services.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB3HNrg9019914 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id gB3HNrPe019913 for msdp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sith.maoz.com (sith.maoz.com [205.167.76.10]) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB3HNpg9019903; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dmm@localhost) by sith.maoz.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id gB3HOVDQ032615; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:24:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:24:31 -0800 From: David Meyer To: Pekka Savola Cc: Mike McBride , msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu, mboned@network-services.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: [MSDP] Reminder -- MSDP WG last call ends at 1700 PST Today Message-ID: <20021203092431.C32577@sprint.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from pekkas@netcore.fi on Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 07:20:58PM +0200 Sender: owner-msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Archive: ftp://ns.uoregon.edu/mailing-lists/msdp.archive X-Subscribe: majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu X-Unsubscribe: majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu >> I'm wondering why folks even bothered to request comments on the draft if >> there's no intention to make any changes to it. We'll make substantive changes. However, we cycled this way for many years, and the goal here is to get something done. >> IMO, changes that clarify the protocol (ie. ones that are not protocol >> enhancements) are very much in the scope of the informational RFC. >> That's definitely something that someone wanting to build an interoperable >> implementation would find useful. We have had very positive comments from implementors. Not of your comments were substantive changes to the spec, so I see no reason to cycle yet again. Dave From owner-msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Tue Dec 3 13:29:45 2002 Received: from network-services.uoregon.edu (network-services.uoregon.edu [128.223.60.21]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08457 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from network-services.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB3IJlg9022053 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id gB3IJlAC022052 for msdp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from sith.maoz.com (sith.maoz.com [205.167.76.10]) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB3IJjg9022042; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dmm@localhost) by sith.maoz.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id gB3IKX2Y000732; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:20:33 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:20:33 -0800 From: David Meyer To: msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Cc: mboned@network-services.uoregon.edu, fenner@research.att.com, zinin@psg.com Subject: Re: [MSDP] Reminder -- MSDP WG last call ends at 1700 PST Today Message-ID: <20021203102033.A707@sprint.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Archive: ftp://ns.uoregon.edu/mailing-lists/msdp.archive X-Subscribe: majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu X-Unsubscribe: majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu Folks, Pekka raised some comments today on the during the last call. I would like to remind everyone that we've cycled on just these kind of comments for 3+ years. As such, I'm going to close this down and declare the last call completed, and as the IESG to consider draft-ietf-msdp-spec-14.txt for advancement to Experimental. Dave From owner-msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Tue Dec 3 13:33:13 2002 Received: from network-services.uoregon.edu (network-services.uoregon.edu [128.223.60.21]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08738 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from network-services.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB3IJlg9022053 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id gB3IJlAC022052 for msdp-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from sith.maoz.com (sith.maoz.com [205.167.76.10]) by network-services.uoregon.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB3IJjg9022042; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dmm@localhost) by sith.maoz.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id gB3IKX2Y000732; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:20:33 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:20:33 -0800 From: David Meyer To: msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Cc: mboned@network-services.uoregon.edu, fenner@research.att.com, zinin@psg.com Subject: Re: [MSDP] Reminder -- MSDP WG last call ends at 1700 PST Today Message-ID: <20021203102033.A707@sprint.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-msdp@network-services.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk X-Archive: ftp://ns.uoregon.edu/mailing-lists/msdp.archive X-Subscribe: majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu X-Unsubscribe: majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu Folks, Pekka raised some comments today on the during the last call. I would like to remind everyone that we've cycled on just these kind of comments for 3+ years. As such, I'm going to close this down and declare the last call completed, and as the IESG to consider draft-ietf-msdp-spec-14.txt for advancement to Experimental. Dave