From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 05 15:39:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip8jN-0000jc-LO; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:39:33 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip8jM-0000is-Fh for multimob@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:39:32 -0500 Received: from imr2.ericy.com ([198.24.6.3]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip8jM-0002CN-3H for multimob@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:39:32 -0500 Received: from eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se (eusrcmw750.exu.ericsson.se [138.85.77.50]) by imr2.ericy.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA5KdOKt002044; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:39:26 -0600 Received: from eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se ([138.85.77.53]) by eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:39:24 -0600 Received: from [142.133.10.140] ([142.133.10.140]) by eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:39:24 -0600 Message-ID: <472F7FB3.3080809@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:40:19 -0500 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimob@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2007 20:39:24.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[F390D530:01C81FEB] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: Behcet Sarikaya Subject: [multimob] Call for draft submissions and agenda items X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Dear Draft Authors, As you know we have been granted a multimob timeslot as part of Mobopts session at IETF70. We request you to complete your drafts and submit them soon as possible (to make the deadline). Once you have submitted them, please announce them on the mailing list and get some discussion going on them prior to the face to face meeting. We need a good base of drafts for continuing with the Multimob activity. Also, don't forget to send us a request for a timeslot if you wish to present your draft/presentation. We have been allocated a fairly short time slot and because of this we may not be able to allocate the time you wish but we promise to do our best. Regards Behcet & Suresh _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 08 03:11:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iq2UB-0004BZ-3Z; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:11:35 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iq2U9-00049v-0t for multimob@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:11:33 -0500 Received: from mail1.is.haw-hamburg.de ([141.22.192.101]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iq2U8-00057v-El for multimob@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:11:32 -0500 Received: from mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de (isis.informatik.haw-hamburg.de [141.22.10.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.is.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92EE963287; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:11:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07782-01-3; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:11:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (e178132168.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.178.132.168]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999D33C00125; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:11:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4732C4AB.8090407@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:11:23 +0100 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mobopts@irtf.org" , multimob@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.haw-hamburg.de X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV at mailgate.haw-hamburg.de Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Cc: Subject: [multimob] ID Update: Multicast Mobility in MIPv6 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, we just updated the problem statement ID: "Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement and Brief Survey" Abstract In this document we discuss current mobility extensions to IP layer multicast solutions. Problems arising from mobile group communication in general, in the case of multicast listener mobility and for mobile Any Source Multicast as well as Source Specific Multicast senders are documented. Characteristic aspects of multicast routing and deployment issues for fixed IPv6 networks are summarized. The principal approaches to the multicast mobility problems are outlined subsequently. In addition to providing a comprehensive exploration of the mobile multicast problem and solution space, this document attempts to outline a conceptual roadmap for initial steps in standardization for the use of future mobile multicast protocol designers. It's already on the ID directory: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02 This version includes new secions on document scope and future steps,=20 extensions on L2 aspects, many editorial changes and accounts for the=20 large number of feedbacks and reviews we have received at and after the=20 Chicago meeting. The document convergence process appears pretty matured ... we will be=20 very happy to receive your comments and work towards finalization. Best regards, thomas --=20 =B0 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =B0 HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik =B0 University of Applied Sciences =B0 Berliner Tor 7, D 20099 Hamburg =B0 Germany, Fon: +49-40-42875-8157 =B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 12 04:08:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrVH6-0006FU-SM; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:08:08 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrVH5-0006EG-PR for multimob@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:08:07 -0500 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.239]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrVH3-0001LB-Kq for multimob@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:08:07 -0500 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id n1so794768nzf for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:08:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=1TpDqS0sBhx1v/gR6eTjoS6Xo/Fy4sBwiQ//xlvtL7A=; b=SiZJix70Zl/qDpzoVPycbLWWC+LOi8fzCs+gcKHzSm3ES8AFh4LruMOHzW8DgjNdfWJD3pW2df2GZC0fLg/2kJ93FlGOU/06JdD2F3wrEu9m1oPvnd2bgmh2muyZzrFe8FiKntl8PXVGgAeeaDhRiUHv7APLMvEpAkbI5Kbc8mg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=sWjTaErScCiRjTWvtQ/6NUmR24NO0I+JB983hQ+VROfwZOO4mftDTfibQt8h8iI9ZLoz+7g9Ifnm+UqK26FnCA1mla7WRPhxm8eH6ZYD8Tlt30H+lbZAdSpYYW4sbQP/k5TSwD6NvgW42IuIn58SJrpkI9nmtA2Sl6lMFkOJAY8= Received: by 10.142.80.7 with SMTP id d7mr360708wfb.1194858484767; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.166.2 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:08:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1d38a3350711120108i2ca7303aked6af82209aa0161@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:08:04 +0800 From: "Hui Deng" To: multimob@ietf.org, mobopts@irtf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: Subject: [multimob] Two related drafts X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Hello, all Please help to review our two drafts, and appreciate your comments, Many thanks Title : Problem Statement and Requirement: Mobile Multicast Author(s) : H. Deng, et al. Filename : draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticast-00.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2007-11-8 This document discusses the problem and requirement of multicast solution in the mobile networks. One current issue in mobile multicast solution has been raised and requirements of mobile IPTV on multicast mobility will also be summarized especially for some mechanisms such as the tunneling, service capability and security discussion which is basis of supporting the mobile IPTV applications. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticast-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Multicast tunneling optimization for Mobile IPv6 Author(s) : P. Yang, et al. Filename : draft-yang-multimob-mip6-mc-tunnel-opt-00.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2007-11-8 This document provides the solution to optimize the multicast tunneling in mobile IPv6. This solution will not break the basic bi- directional tunneling multicast solution of MIPv6. A new Mobile Multicast Agent works as a proxy node for multiple mobile nodes within one limit scope. Single tunnel is set up between one Home Agent and one Mobile Multicast Agent for single multicast stream. A new notification message is created for the communication between home agent and mobile multicast agent. There is no modification on mobile nodes. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yang-multimob-mip6-mc-tunnel-opt-00.txt _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 12 04:37:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrVjj-0002ng-5M; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:37:43 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrVji-0002mV-2s for multimob@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:37:42 -0500 Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp ([2001:200:0:8803:203:47ff:fedf:73a6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IrVjf-0002dK-ES for multimob@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:37:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (ZE102037.ppp.dion.ne.jp [220.217.102.37]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59774D8A7 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:37:37 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:36:57 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20071112.183657.35037462.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: multimob@ietf.org From: Hitoshi Asaeda X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2 on Emacs 22.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Subject: [multimob] IGMP/MLD requirements and extensions drafts X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I've submitted the following two drafts; === Filename: draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req Version: 00 Staging URL: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/staging/draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt Title: Mobile Multicast Requirements on IGMP/MLD Protocols Creation_date: 2007-11-12 WG ID: Indvidual Submission Number_of_pages: 16 Abstract: This document presents the requirements for IGMP/MLD protocols to allow the deployment of mobile multicast service. It is intended to provide useful guideline when adapting current IGMP/MLD protocols to support terminal mobility. === Filename: draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions Version: 00 Staging URL: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/staging/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt Title: IGMP and MLD Extensions for Mobile Hosts and Routers Creation_date: 2007-11-12 WG ID: Indvidual Submission Number_of_pages: 18 Abstract: This document describes the IGMP and MLD protocol extensions for mobile hosts and routers. IGMP and MLD are necessary protocols for hosts to request join or leave multicast sessions. While the regular IGMP and MLD protocols support communication between mobile hosts and routers over wireless networks, this document discusses the conditions how mobile hosts and routers use IGMP and MLD in their communication more effectively. === Please review them. Any comments are welcome. Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 15 11:44:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ishp2-00088x-QZ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:44:08 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ishp0-000850-V2 for multimob@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:44:07 -0500 Received: from mail2.is.haw-hamburg.de ([141.22.192.102]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ishoz-0005MG-QM for multimob@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:44:06 -0500 Received: from mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de (isis.informatik.haw-hamburg.de [141.22.10.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.is.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A6558E08; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:44:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01606-01-7; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:44:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (e178149127.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.178.149.127]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657863C00223; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:44:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <473C774E.60704@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:43:58 +0100 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Romdhani, Imed" Subject: Re: [multimob] ID Update: Multicast Mobility in MIPv6 References: <735F04A99D358E468A16EDB64FC04555051E95B9@EVS1.napier-mail.napier.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <735F04A99D358E468A16EDB64FC04555051E95B9@EVS1.napier-mail.napier.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.haw-hamburg.de X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV at mailgate.haw-hamburg.de Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c54bc2f42d02429833c0ca4b8725abd7 Cc: multimob@ietf.org, "mobopts@irtf.org" X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Dear Imed, thanks for your comments, please see inline: Romdhani, Imed wrote: > First, I have to congratulate you on the excellence of your new Multica= st Mobility draft. The new version is well organised and very comprehensi= ve. >=20 Many thanks :-) > I have just finished reading it! The unique comment that comes to my mi= nd is that you have introduced in a separate sub-section (5.2.2) some sol= utions to address problems of MLD tardy leave notification in wireless li= nks and fast multicast packet forwarding prior to handover, but you misse= d to highlight in depth these problems in Section 2.2.=20 >=20 Yes, you are right: this is a lapse, we will add this. > Other membership problem aspects may deserve to be highlighted. In othe= r words, adjusting the MLD Query interval should not be just limited to a= ddress tardy leave and backup forwarding issues, but also to solve the pr= ocessing overhead caused to an MN that is already member of a multicast g= roup and who may not be in move. I do believe that the HA or MLD proxy ag= ent has to implement listener node table (you stated this in your draft) = and slow down sending MLD Query message to MNs that have already joined a= multicast group in order to save their battery power and isolate the neg= ative side effect join/leave activity caused by fixed members who may be = attached to the HA or MLD proxy agent. In fact, any attempt from a local = member to leave multicast groups or exclude some multicast sources that m= ay be on interest to an MN that is away, will cause new MLD Query message= s to be flooded to the MN in order to defend his membership (i.e. case of= bi-directional subscription). If the HA /MLD proxy is mobile multicast aware, it can prevent the MN from such unn= ecessary overhead. Different solutions have been proposed in the literatu= re review, which we summarised in the attached paper "Adaptive Multicast = Membership Management for Mobile Multicast Receivers". >=20 Paper: http://dx.doi.org/10.1109/WIMOB.2006.1696354 Yes, you point to the general restrictability of MLD Queries on=20 Point-to-Point links. This equally applies, when the MN receives=20 multicast data via a bi-directional tunnel with the HA. These MLD debates we mention only briefly, because they are somewhat=20 obvious at the one hand, and like a "red rag" for the multicast=20 community on the other. As far as I know, the number of suggested MLD=20 changes / subtypes for all kinds of special cases are countless. More importantly: Bi-directional tunneling is a minimal,=20 mobility-agnostic workaround. Efforts on multicast mobility should=20 concentrate on devising better solutions, preferably free of encapsulatio= n. Btw: In your paper you propose solutions, which avoid multicast=20 deployment in end system domains with the help of MLD proxies. Our perspective (and believe ;)) is quite on the opposite site: o End system domains rather do show multicast deployment - the=20 deployment (and scaling) problem lies in the core. A good discussion of=20 this perspective you can find in the sigcomm06 paper of Ratnasamy et=20 al.: "Revisiting IP Multicast" http://sigcomm06.stanford.edu/discussion-beta/showpaper.php?paper_id=3D2 o The benefit of multicast deployment in end system domains is much=20 larger due to layer 2 multipoint distribution than in the core. This is=20 even more relevant in wireless domains, and thus highly desirable to=20 achieve within the mobility regime. > Finally, as part of the Future Steps, it may be interesting to cover th= e mobility impact on upper TCP/IP layers (transport, session, etc.). Prob= ably related multicast protocols need to be enhanced and adapted to handl= e mobile devices. >=20 Well, there is no TCP with multicast and the application layer is quite=20 manyfold. In general, we tried to discuss the effects, i.e., loss, delay=20 and jitter as apparent on the (stateless) transport layer and its=20 effects on the widespread, sensitive applications such as voice or video. There could be issues with reliability extensions, SRM, MRT etc., we=20 believe. However, this is probably beyond the scope of this document, it=20 bears the danger of doubling its length ;) Do you agree? Best regards, thomas > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas C. Schmidt [mailto:schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de]=20 > Sent: 08 November 2007 08:11 > To: mobopts@irtf.org; multimob@ietf.org > Subject: [multimob] ID Update: Multicast Mobility in MIPv6 >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > we just updated the problem statement ID: >=20 > "Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement and Brief Survey" >=20 > Abstract >=20 > In this document we discuss current mobility extensions to IP layer > multicast solutions. Problems arising from mobile group communicati= on > in general, in the case of multicast listener mobility and for mobi= le > Any Source Multicast as well as Source Specific Multicast senders a= re > documented. Characteristic aspects of multicast routing and > deployment issues for fixed IPv6 networks are summarized. The > principal approaches to the multicast mobility problems are outline= d > subsequently. In addition to providing a comprehensive exploration = of > the mobile multicast problem and solution space, this document > attempts to outline a conceptual roadmap for initial steps in > standardization for the use of future mobile multicast protocol > designers. >=20 > It's already on the ID directory: >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02 >=20 >=20 > This version includes new secions on document scope and future steps,=20 > extensions on L2 aspects, many editorial changes and accounts for the=20 > large number of feedbacks and reviews we have received at and after the= =20 > Chicago meeting. >=20 > The document convergence process appears pretty matured ... we will be=20 > very happy to receive your comments and work towards finalization. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > thomas >=20 --=20 =B0 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =B0 HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik =B0 University of Applied Sciences =B0 Berliner Tor 7, D 20099 Hamburg =B0 Germany, Fon: +49-40-42875-8157 =B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 16 07:01:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsztW-0000yZ-LG; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:01:58 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsztU-0000xb-Mu for multimob@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:01:56 -0500 Received: from mail1.is.haw-hamburg.de ([141.22.192.101]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsztQ-00066F-8m for multimob@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:01:56 -0500 Received: from mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de (isis.informatik.haw-hamburg.de [141.22.10.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.is.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D0362DB2; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:01:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 31937-01-4; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:01:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (e178150017.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.178.150.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailgate.informatik.haw-hamburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2340C3C001B1; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:01:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <473D86A7.1010703@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:01:43 +0100 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hui Deng References: <1d38a3350711120108i2ca7303aked6af82209aa0161@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1d38a3350711120108i2ca7303aked6af82209aa0161@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.haw-hamburg.de X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV at mailgate.haw-hamburg.de Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 34d35111647d654d033d58d318c0d21a Cc: multimob@ietf.org, mobopts@irtf.org Subject: [multimob] Re: Comments on draft "Problem Statement and Requirement: Mobile Multicast" X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org Dear Hui, I've just gone through your draft and have some comments / remarks: At first, I find it quite valuable to have a detailed description /=20 discussion on Mobile IPTV over Multicast deployment issues. If we=20 believe this to be a larger business / likely deployment case, we should=20 look at it in detail. So your draft is a good starting point. The title is misleading, though. I'd like to suggest putting Mobile IPTV=20 into the title, e.g., "Problem Statement and Deployment Requirements:=20 Mobile IPTV over Multicast". In the document you are mentioning "Video service need much bandwidth"=20 and the threat of network component overload. It would be helpful to=20 present numbers ... if you consider some mobile phone with a display of=20 QCIF size and an efficient codec, bandwidth can actually drop down=20 drastically (well below 100 kbit/s) ... larger resolutions (requiring=20 higher frame rates) and less efficient codecs increase bandwidth=20 consumption nonlinearly (typically some power of 2-5). In general, the dependence of the service on end user devices needs=20 consideration, I believe. In section 2.2 (6) you mention the differences in video packet relevance=20 (I/P/B-Frames) and state "It is recommended to provide better guarantee=20 for important packets." - this is actually a strong requirement, if you=20 ask for network support. It means that forwarding components have to=20 inspect the RTP extension profile/payload. I know that this is an old=20 discussion in the QoS community ... but do we actually know of any=20 operator providing such complex, high-level service? What one can do, of course, is to allow for Diffserv packet labeling at=20 the content source. This would require appropriate service contracts=20 between the content providers and the network operators. In section 2.2 (7) you state "the mobile multicast should provide some=20 machenism to ensure the synchronization of mobile IPTV streams" - what=20 do you mean by that? Typically, synchronization at the signaling level is provided by RTP ...=20 and realized by buffers for RTP and play-out (as this is a streaming=20 scenario). Similarly in section 2.3 you stress "a precise time reference is needed=20 in the multicast mobile network" for synchronization purposes. Normally,=20 the synchronization problem is between source and receiver / conference=20 parties. If the IPTV source is a foreign one, i.e., not located at the=20 mobile network operator, an operator-based temporal synchronization does=20 not solve the problem. Typically, NTP timestamps are provided by RTCP=20 ... so it appears rather as an issue of RTCP presence ... which is not=20 fully trivial, e.g., feedback in unidirectional broadcast networks like=20 DVB-H. Best regards, thomas Hui Deng wrote: > Hello, all >=20 > Please help to review our two drafts, and appreciate your comments, > Many thanks >=20 >=20 > Title : Problem Statement and Requirement: Mobile Multicast > Author(s) : H. Deng, et al. > Filename : draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticast-00.txt > Pages : 14 > Date : 2007-11-8 >=20 > This document discusses the problem and requirement of multicast > solution in the mobile networks. One current issue in mobile > multicast solution has been raised and requirements of mobile IPTV on > multicast mobility will also be summarized especially for some > mechanisms such as the tunneling, service capability and security > discussion which is basis of supporting the mobile IPTV applications. >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemultic= ast-00.txt >=20 >=20 --=20 =B0 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =B0 HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik =B0 University of Applied Sciences =B0 Berliner Tor 7, D 20099 Hamburg =B0 Germany, Fon: +49-40-42875-8157 =B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Sat Nov 17 16:31:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItVFx-0002u8-EA; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:31:13 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItVFw-0002t0-35 for multimob@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:31:12 -0500 Received: from web84111.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.198]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItVFr-0004tT-3w for multimob@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:31:12 -0500 Received: (qmail 86117 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2007 21:31:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Mj19ij0OX+L+Jl7c5VPsdvcYsUw76kABDc/bRzIcvLKhKcVZehxLICwbv/czRYkpuS+ukplvz95GcuQf1qM7MaQNP1rz2Du1/fJrM6R/orXXr7FJd8pqJY2Vmjk9qvdoCM4Jg8MFuzYendPeFisPgghgCZ9L5y6gGKmR7781C78=; Received: from [71.123.247.57] by web84111.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:31:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.152 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:31:06 -0800 (PST) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: multimob@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <459317.82981.qm@web84111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Subject: [multimob] Vancouver session agenda X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0580130811==" Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org --===============0580130811== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-936836058-1195335066=:82981" --0-936836058-1195335066=:82981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear all, As you know we have a one-hour discussion session on Multimob in Vancouver at IETF-70 from 10:30 am on Monday December 3rd, 2007 in Oak room as part of Mobopts session. Th agenda for our part will be as follows: Multicast Mobility (Multimob) Discussion Session Monday December 3, 2007 ======================== CHAIRS: Suresh Krishnan Behcet Sarikaya AGENDA: 5 min Introduction Behcet, Suresh 20 min Requirements Related Presentations IGMP/MLD Requirements Asaeda Mobile IPTV Requirements Hui Mobile IPv6 Requirements Thomas 5 min Mboned Requirements Marshall 5 min Solutions Overview Behcet, Suresh 23 min Discussion based on Jari's Questions All 2 min Summary and next steps Suresh, Behcet I would like to ask the speakers to please forward their slides to me as soon as possible. We will combine all the presentations into one and submit it to Mobopts chair, Rajeev. If you are coming to Vancouver, please attend this session actively and take part in the discussions. Also please let other people know about this session and ask them to attend. See you in Vancouver. Behcet --0-936836058-1195335066=:82981 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Dear all,
  As you know we have a one-hour discussion session on Multimob in Vancouver at IETF-70 from 10:30 am on Monday December 3rd, 2007 in Oak room as part of Mobopts session.
  Th agenda for our part will be as follows:


Multicast Mobility (Multimob) Discussion Session


Monday December 3, 2007
========================

CHAIRS: Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com>
        Behcet  Sarikaya <sarikaya@ieee.org>
       
AGENDA:


 5 min      Introduction                       Behcet, Suresh
20 min      Requirements Related Presentations        
            IGMP/MLD Requirements               Asaeda
            Mobile IPTV Requirements                Hui
            Mobile IPv6 Requirements               Thomas
 5 min      Mboned Requirements                   Marshall
 5 min      Solutions Overview                        Behcet, Suresh       
23 min      Discussion based on Jari's Questions         All
 2 min      Summary and next steps                     Suresh, Behcet

  I would like to ask the speakers to please forward their slides to me as soon as possible. We will combine all the presentations into one and submit it to Mobopts chair, Rajeev.
  If you are coming to Vancouver, please attend this session actively and take part in the discussions. Also please let other people know about this session and ask them to attend.
  See you in Vancouver.

Behcet
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mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob --===============1895661538==-- From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 11:00:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuVWl-0006ky-Tw; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:00:43 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuVWl-0006kr-9O for multimob@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:00:43 -0500 Received: from web84105.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.192]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuVWk-0007A6-Q3 for multimob@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:00:43 -0500 Received: (qmail 28664 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Nov 2007 15:52:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=6TdqhO737Vv+Ge8uN4pf3/PMfsRZPWw80Xe+9tTzgZw46FHOeDwAlRqp3+pQ1kvfBjibCpMe4zsQGEUunikpApuWnE/uZgXT5QIEuDufpYKmW1bTM0tPRLbJGuvWlLEgr9mxgdp/ZHoDLlJnrJDS1vK9dWmQuyBotUeb0bB1yG0=; X-YMail-OSG: l3MfSMoVM1mTlvGJxkuftrviWxSnjftUKxhC66r4HqsK4CFSeHAV6Ui.axc3nT2KHyBjZaD5_BbSulNzrXC9KwUTvfxTM6bOYWE1hYdrK.1zkKeIYHk- Received: from [206.16.17.212] by web84105.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:52:20 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.152 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: multimob@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <386466.28133.qm@web84105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Subject: [multimob] Multimob Drafts to date X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0367332024==" Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org --===============0367332024== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1324093436-1195573940=:28133" --0-1324093436-1195573940=:28133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Problem statement Drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticast-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt This link is not working, Tony please check : http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-01.txt Agent-based solution drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yang-multimob-mip6-mc-tunnel-opt-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-von-hugo-multimob-agents-01.txt Protocol-based solution drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt http://ietfreport.isoc.org/all-ids/draft-schmidt-waehlisch-mhmipv6-04.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00.txt --0-1324093436-1195573940=:28133 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Problem statement Drafts:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticast-00.txt
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt
http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt
This link is not working, Tony please check :
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-01.txt

Agent-based solution drafts:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yang-multimob-mip6-mc-tunnel-opt-00.txt
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-von-hugo-multimob-agents-01.txt

Protocol-based solution drafts:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt
http://ietfreport.isoc.org/all-ids/draft-schmidt-waehlisch-mhmipv6-04.txt
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00.txt
--0-1324093436-1195573940=:28133-- --===============0367332024== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob --===============0367332024==-- From multimob-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 27 22:34:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxDgi-0000s8-3n; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:34:12 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxDgh-0000pl-6d for multimob@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:34:11 -0500 Received: from web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.190]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxDgg-0001Dc-Lv for multimob@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:34:11 -0500 Received: (qmail 89561 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2007 03:34:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=p6nO197K5TmNNWk4hUnp7iUfNVuwXUOHOp63OlwY0jZfIvDra1ztsnyLgC1F1RJHlwxtam+vpuzUloMsneiwjiCqZB9uIJFZhduq29qSrL1/oMFOK/63dfnH3FhZ1XcnPuWey9sgvnRThd4+0KJksnfU1kJEIzDIp9s6e4Vp7SE=; X-YMail-OSG: bWUfr_IVM1kdOTsPQLGBmgCuYJZdkWa85WpS8vMGpig.xKxBY7CmEHsK5MiLe8rMG9XK.JDQ4Q-- Received: from [71.123.247.57] by web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:34:10 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.152 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:34:10 -0800 (PST) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: multimob@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <167924.88789.qm@web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Subject: [multimob] Revised agenda X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1041165995==" Errors-To: multimob-bounces@ietf.org --===============1041165995== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1033032578-1196220850=:88789" --0-1033032578-1196220850=:88789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Folks, With some small changes, here is the agenda for IETF-70 meeting on next Monday: The final agenda will be posted at IETF-70 web site as part of Mobopts agenda. Check it out from there. Please attend the meeting and express your opinion. 3 min Introduction Suresh 30 min Standardization of multicast mobility requirements IGMP/MLD Requirements Asaeda draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt Mobile IPTV Requirements Hui draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticast-00.txt Mobile IPv6 Requirements Thomas draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-01.txt & draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt 10 min Standardization of solutions Behcet draft-von-hugo-multimob-agents-01.txt & draft-yang-multimob-mip6-mc-tunnel-opt-00.txt draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt draft-schmidt-waehlisch-mhmipv6-04.txt & draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00.txt 15 min Discussion Rajeev 2 min Summary and next steps Rajeev --0-1033032578-1196220850=:88789 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Folks,
  With some small changes, here is the agenda for IETF-70 meeting on next Monday:
The final agenda will be posted at IETF-70 web site as part of Mobopts agenda. Check it out from there.
  Please attend the meeting and express your opinion.


 3 min      Introduction                       Suresh
30 min      Standardization of multicast mobility requirements         
            IGMP/MLD Requirements               Asaeda
            draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req-00.txt
            Mobile IPTV Requirements            Hui
            draft-deng-multimob-ps-mobilemulticast-00.txt
            Mobile IPv6 Requirements            Thomas
            draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-01.txt & draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt
10 min      Standardization of solutions         Behcet
            draft-von-hugo-multimob-agents-01.txt & draft-yang-multimob-mip6-mc-tunnel-opt-00.txt
            draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-00.txt
            draft-schmidt-waehlisch-mhmipv6-04.txt & draft-xia-multimob-hybrid-00.txt     
15 min      Discussion                           Rajeev
 2 min      Summary and next steps               Rajeev


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