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Hi Alan,

I have a naive question.
In this spec, what will happen when a MPTCP session tries to send more than
2**64 bytes?
--
Yoshifumi


On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Alan Ford <alan.ford@gmail.com> wrote:

> Christoph, all,
>
> Yes you are right, this is a more significant change than I realised when
> writing it. It cropped up briefly in the Vancouver meeting and I had some
> side discussions about it and at the time seemed a small, sensible change
> but now I realise would be quite large and could not be simply inferred but
> would necessitate a new version number.
>
> The argument would be that by zeroing some number of MSBs of the 64-bit
> DSN, we can to all intents and purposes eliminate any need to handle
> wrapping of the DSN, which would improve the ease of implementation for
> both endpoints and middleboxes.
>
> Does anybody on the list have any thoughts one way or the other here?
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
>
> On 30 Dec 2013, at 11:23, Christoph Paasch wrote:
>
> > Hello Alan,
> >
> > On 30/12/13 - 10:37:51, Alan Ford wrote:
> >> This is a (rather belated) minor update taking into account the feedback
> >> from Vancouver. This adds comments on keys from additional sources, and
> >> formalizing the advice on how to practically eliminate wrapping in our
> >> 64-bit sequence number space.
> >
> > can you explain why we try to eliminate wrapping by setting the 8
> > most-significant bits to 0x00?
> >
> > This change makes implementations who follow RFC6824bis incompatible with
> > RFC6824. Should we increment the version-number for RFC6824bis?
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Christoph
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 30 December 2013 10:33, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> >>> directories.
> >>> This draft is a work item of the Multipath TCP Working Group of the
> IETF.
> >>>
> >>>        Title           : TCP Extensions for Multipath Operation with
> >>> Multiple Addresses
> >>>        Authors         : Alan Ford
> >>>                          Costin Raiciu
> >>>                          University Politehnica of Bucharest
> >>>                          Mark Handley
> >>>                          Olivier Bonaventure
> >>>        Filename        : draft-ietf-mptcp-rfc6824bis-01.txt
> >>>        Pages           : 64
> >>>        Date            : 2013-12-30
> >>>
> >>> Abstract:
> >>>   TCP/IP communication is currently restricted to a single path per
> >>>   connection, yet multiple paths often exist between peers.  The
> >>>   simultaneous use of these multiple paths for a TCP/IP session would
> >>>   improve resource usage within the network and, thus, improve user
> >>>   experience through higher throughput and improved resilience to
> >>>   network failure.
> >>>
> >>>   Multipath TCP provides the ability to simultaneously use multiple
> >>>   paths between peers.  This document presents a set of extensions to
> >>>   traditional TCP to support multipath operation.  The protocol offers
> >>>   the same type of service to applications as TCP (i.e., reliable
> >>>   bytestream), and it provides the components necessary to establish
> >>>   and use multiple TCP flows across potentially disjoint paths.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mptcp-rfc6824bis/
> >>>
> >>> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mptcp-rfc6824bis-01
> >>>
> >>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> >>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mptcp-rfc6824bis-01
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> >>> submission
> >>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
> >>>
> >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
> >>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Alan,<div><br></div><div>I have a naive question.</div>=
<div>In this spec, what will happen when a MPTCP session tries to send more=
 than 2**64 bytes?</div><div>--</div><div>Yoshifumi<br><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Alan F=
ord <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alan.ford@gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">alan.ford@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
Christoph, all,<br>
<br>
Yes you are right, this is a more significant change than I realised when w=
riting it. It cropped up briefly in the Vancouver meeting and I had some si=
de discussions about it and at the time seemed a small, sensible change but=
 now I realise would be quite large and could not be simply inferred but wo=
uld necessitate a new version number.<br>

<br>
The argument would be that by zeroing some number of MSBs of the 64-bit DSN=
, we can to all intents and purposes eliminate any need to handle wrapping =
of the DSN, which would improve the ease of implementation for both endpoin=
ts and middleboxes.<br>

<br>
Does anybody on the list have any thoughts one way or the other here?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Alan<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On 30 Dec 2013, at 11:23, Christoph Paasch wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; Hello Alan,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 30/12/13 - 10:37:51, Alan Ford wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; This is a (rather belated) minor update taking into account the fe=
edback<br>
&gt;&gt; from Vancouver. This adds comments on keys from additional sources=
, and<br>
&gt;&gt; formalizing the advice on how to practically eliminate wrapping in=
 our<br>
&gt;&gt; 64-bit sequence number space.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; can you explain why we try to eliminate wrapping by setting the 8<br>
&gt; most-significant bits to 0x00?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This change makes implementations who follow RFC6824bis incompatible w=
ith<br>
&gt; RFC6824. Should we increment the version-number for RFC6824bis?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; Christoph<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On 30 December 2013 10:33, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@i=
etf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Dr=
afts<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; directories.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; This draft is a work item of the Multipath TCP Working Group o=
f the IETF.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : TCP Extensions for =
Multipath Operation with<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Multiple Addresses<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Authors =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : Alan Ford<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Costin Raic=
iu<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0University =
Politehnica of Bucharest<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Mark Handle=
y<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Olivier Bon=
aventure<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-ietf-mptcp-rfc6=
824bis-01.txt<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 64<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2013-12-30<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Abstract:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 TCP/IP communication is currently restricted to a single p=
ath per<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 connection, yet multiple paths often exist between peers. =
=A0The<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 simultaneous use of these multiple paths for a TCP/IP sess=
ion would<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 improve resource usage within the network and, thus, impro=
ve user<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 experience through higher throughput and improved resilien=
ce to<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 network failure.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 Multipath TCP provides the ability to simultaneously use m=
ultiple<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 paths between peers. =A0This document presents a set of ex=
tensions to<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 traditional TCP to support multipath operation. =A0The pro=
tocol offers<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 the same type of service to applications as TCP (i.e., rel=
iable<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 bytestream), and it provides the components necessary to e=
stablish<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =A0 and use multiple TCP flows across potentially disjoint pat=
hs.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mptcp-r=
fc6824bis/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-m=
ptcp-rfc6824bis/</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; There&#39;s also a htmlized version available at:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mptcp-rfc6824=
bis-01" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mptcp-rfc68=
24bis-01</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; A diff from the previous version is available at:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-mptcp=
-rfc6824bis-01" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-=
ietf-mptcp-rfc6824bis-01</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time=
 of<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; submission<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; until the htmlized version and diff are available at <a href=
=3D"http://tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">tools.ietf.org</a>.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/" target=3D"_bla=
nk">ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
 This draft is a work item of the Multipath TCP Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : TCP Extensions for Multipath Operation with Multi=
ple Addresses
        Authors         : Alan Ford
                          Costin Raiciu
                          University Politehnica of Bucharest
                          Mark Handley
                          Olivier Bonaventure
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mptcp-rfc6824bis-02.txt
	Pages           : 64
	Date            : 2014-01-23

Abstract:
   TCP/IP communication is currently restricted to a single path per
   connection, yet multiple paths often exist between peers.  The
   simultaneous use of these multiple paths for a TCP/IP session would
   improve resource usage within the network and, thus, improve user
   experience through higher throughput and improved resilience to
   network failure.

   Multipath TCP provides the ability to simultaneously use multiple
   paths between peers.  This document presents a set of extensions to
   traditional TCP to support multipath operation.  The protocol offers
   the same type of service to applications as TCP (i.e., reliable
   bytestream), and it provides the components necessary to establish
   and use multiple TCP flows across potentially disjoint paths.


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All,

Given the feedback from the last update (regarding the zero bits in the =
IDSN hash) - that it was not a serious problem and would have =
necessitated a version change, and nobody spoke up in favour (not even =
those who originally asked for this), I have reverted this change from =
this version of the draft. Nothing else has been changed.

Regards,
Alan

On 23 Jan 2014, at 09:31, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:

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> This draft is a work item of the Multipath TCP Working Group of the =
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>        Title           : TCP Extensions for Multipath Operation with =
Multiple Addresses
>        Authors         : Alan Ford
>                          Costin Raiciu
>                          University Politehnica of Bucharest
>                          Mark Handley
>                          Olivier Bonaventure
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-mptcp-rfc6824bis-02.txt
> 	Pages           : 64
> 	Date            : 2014-01-23
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> Abstract:
>   TCP/IP communication is currently restricted to a single path per
>   connection, yet multiple paths often exist between peers.  The
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
 This draft is a work item of the Multipath TCP Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Analysis of MPTCP residual threats and possible f=
ixes
        Authors         : Marcelo Bagnulo
                          Christoph Paasch
                          Fernando Gont
                          Olivier Bonaventure
                          Costin Raiciu
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mptcp-attacks-00.txt
	Pages           : 25
	Date            : 2014-01-31

Abstract:
   This documents performs an analysis of the residual threats for MPTCP
   and explores possible solutions to them.


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