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References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: Clam Anti Virus - http://www.clamav.net X-Spam-Scanned: SpamAssassin: 3.002004 - http://www.spamassassin.org X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 132.252.185.19 Archived-At: Subject: [multipathtcp] Agenda for Prague meeting X-BeenThere: multipathtcp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-path extensions for TCP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 10:37:26 -0000 Hi Yoshifumi, is there already an agenda for the Prague meeting? I would like to present our new draft https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-dreibholz-mptcp-nornet-experience-00.txt . -- Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Med vennlig hilsen ======================================================================= Thomas Dreibholz Simula Research Laboratory Simula Innovation AS, Network Systems Group Visiting address: Martin Linges vei 17, 1364 Fornebu, Norway Mailing address: P.O.Box 134, 1325 Lysaker, Norway ----------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: dreibh@simula.no Homepage: http://simula.no/people/dreibh ======================================================================= From nobody Mon Apr 6 00:51:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B88D1A1AB6 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:51:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.915 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.915 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RELAY_IS_203=0.994, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tTNPW5Mobt_Q for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (shonan.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.142.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 763ED1A1AB5 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com (mail-wg0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 10BDD278120 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 16:51:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by wgin8 with SMTP id n8so20809473wgi.0 for ; Mon, 06 Apr 2015 00:51:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.121.136 with SMTP id lk8mr27377375wjb.49.1428306701712; Mon, 06 Apr 2015 00:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.41.167 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:51:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <551E6D5E.8020807@iem.uni-due.de> References: <551E6D5E.8020807@iem.uni-due.de> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:51:41 -0700 Message-ID: From: Yoshifumi Nishida To: Thomas Dreibholz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01227f429604e60513099100 Archived-At: Cc: multipathtcp Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] Agenda for Prague meeting X-BeenThere: multipathtcp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-path extensions for TCP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 07:51:49 -0000 --089e01227f429604e60513099100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thomas, Thanks.I guess it's too early for it. But, thanks for letting us know. :) We will eventually make a call for agenda once it's ready. -- Yoshi On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 3:37 AM, Thomas Dreibholz wrote: > Hi Yoshifumi, > > is there already an agenda for the Prague meeting? I would like to presen= t > our new draft https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-dreibholz-mptcp-nornet- > experience-00.txt . > > -- > Best regards / Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Med vennlig hilsen > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Thomas Dreibholz > > Simula Research Laboratory > Simula Innovation AS, Network Systems Group > Visiting address: Martin Linges vei 17, 1364 Fornebu, Norway > Mailing address: P.O.Box 134, 1325 Lysaker, Norway > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > E-Mail: dreibh@simula.no > Homepage: http://simula.no/people/dreibh > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > _______________________________________________ > multipathtcp mailing list > multipathtcp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multipathtcp > --089e01227f429604e60513099100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Thomas,

Thanks.I guess it's too = early for it. But, thanks for letting us know. :)
We will eventua= lly make a call for agenda once it's ready.

--=
Yoshi


On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 3:37 AM, Tho= mas Dreibholz <dreibh@iem.uni-due.de> wrote:
Hi Yoshifumi,

is there already an agenda for the Prague meeting? I would like to present = our new draft https://tools.ietf.org/id/= draft-dreibholz-mptcp-nornet-experience-00.txt .

--
Best regards / Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen / Med vennlig hilsen

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--089e01227f429604e60513099100-- From nobody Mon Apr 6 00:55:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EF91A1ABC for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:55:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.915 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.915 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RELAY_IS_203=0.994, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eHxE3KOxCpEu for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (shonan.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.142.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 996A01A1ABB for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7C072780A0 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 16:55:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by wizk4 with SMTP id k4so23675711wiz.1 for ; Mon, 06 Apr 2015 00:55:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.101.233 with SMTP id fj9mr55597276wib.65.1428306927585; Mon, 06 Apr 2015 00:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.41.167 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:55:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B9330052F30FF@OPEXCLILMA1.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <20150309123626.17741.17314.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93300492BE30@OPEXCLILM23.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B9330052F30FF@OPEXCLILMA1.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:55:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: Yoshifumi Nishida To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442878a0c8f610513099f0e Archived-At: Cc: "multipathtcp@ietf.org" , "draft-boucadair-mptcp-symmetric@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] TR: I-D Action: draft-boucadair-mptcp-symmetric-02.txt X-BeenThere: multipathtcp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-path extensions for TCP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 07:55:35 -0000 --f46d0442878a0c8f610513099f0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Med, Thanks for the response. I put some comments in lines. On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 6:06 AM, wrote: > Hi Yoshi, > > > > Thank you for the review. > > > > Please see in line. > > > > Cheers, > > Med > > > > *De :* Yoshifumi Nishida [mailto:nishida@sfc.wide.ad.jp] > *Envoy=C3=A9 :* mercredi 25 mars 2015 07:58 > *=C3=80 :* BOUCADAIR Mohamed IMT/OLN > *Cc :* multipathtcp@ietf.org; > draft-boucadair-mptcp-symmetric@tools.ietf.org > *Objet :* Re: [multipathtcp] TR: I-D Action: > draft-boucadair-mptcp-symmetric-02.txt > > > > Hi Med, > > > > I have read the draft. I agree with the motivation of the draft, but I'm > not very sure if we need to extend or develop an option yet. > > > > [Med] The current version does not voice any preference among the three > flavors listed in the document. Olivier suggested to redefine =E2=80=9CIP= Ver=E2=80=9D field > as a =E2=80=9Cflags=E2=80=9D field. Using a flag bit from that field woul= d be fine for > draft-boucadair-mptcp-symmetric. > OK. I think redefining IPver field might be a good idea, although we will need to think about how to use the flags. > > > My comments are below... > > > > 1: I think you will need to use ADD_ADDR2 instead of ADD_ADDR in future > versions as ADD_ADDR will be deprecated. > > > > [Med] Fixed in my local copy, thanks. > > > > 2: mptcp cannot guarantee if it can receive incoming flows as it depends > on external mechanisms. > > So, I'm not very sure how much the check flag can be useful. > > > > [Med] Incoming packets can be received if appropriate mappings are > installed in firewalls/NATs that service a given device. Preparing those > mappings is of course out of scope of MPTCP, but other means can be used > (PCP is mentioned as an example in the draft). Once those mappings are > correctly instantiated, the procedure defined in > draft-boucadair-mptcp-symmetric allows to notify the remote peer. > Hmm.. But, what we should do when C flag is not set? Can't we just send an ADD_ADDR when we think it's ready to use? > 3: From the same reason above, I'm also not very sure about the > lifetime info, either. > > > > [Med] There is already some text in the draft that explains the reason: > e.g., anticipate migrating the traffic to a new sub-flow, address selecti= on > process to avoid addresses with too short lifetimes, etc. BTW, the use of > the lifetime is aligned with what has been presented by B. Trammel in the > technical plenary in Dallas ( > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/slides-92-iab-techplenary-3.pdf > ): > > > > =E2=80=9CA2P (app to path): problem appears tractable, there is = a > minimal set > > of useful information (e.g. session lifetime) which can be > exposed, > > and is anyway useful to the far endpoint=E2=80=9D > > > > The lifetime discussion can be separated from the one about the =E2=80=9C= path > validation checks=E2=80=9D. > Well, lifetime info might be useful. But, if a peer can know the lifetime of the mapping table, I think it can re-negotiate before the expiration of it. This means, it can get a new mapping or can extend the current mapping. Either case, it might not need to tell the lifetime to the remote peer. In case where it failed to get the mapping, it can send a REMOVE_ADDR. > > Also, even if an endpoint tries to use a staled address for a new > subflow, I think it will fail since the peer won't be able to send back a > proper token. > > > > [Med] The idea of sending the lifetime is to avoid such delay to get > established additional sub-flows. > Ok. I see. Thanks, -- Yoshi > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:50 AM, wrote: > > Dear all, > > We submitted this short I-D. > > Comments are welcome. > > Cheers, > Med > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de > > internet-drafts@ietf.org > > Envoy=C3=A9 : lundi 9 mars 2015 13:36 > > =C3=80 : i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Objet : I-D Action: draft-boucadair-mptcp-symmetric-02.txt > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > directories. > > > > > > Title : An Extension to MPTCP for Symmetrical Sub-Flo= w > > Management > > Authors : Mohamed Boucadair > > Christian Jacquenet > > Filename : draft-boucadair-mptcp-symmetric-02.txt > > Pages : 7 > > Date : 2015-03-09 > > > > Abstract: > > This document specifies a MPTCP extension that allows to achieve > > symmetrical subflow management. In particular, this extension allow= s > > both endpoints to add new subflows whenever needed without waiting > > for the endpoint which initiated the first subflow to add new ones. > > > > This document updates RFC 6824. > > > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boucadair-mptcp-symmetric/ > > > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-mptcp-symmetric-02 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-boucadair-mptcp-symmetric-02 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > I-D-Announce mailing list > > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > _______________________________________________ > multipathtcp mailing list > multipathtcp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multipathtcp > > > --f46d0442878a0c8f610513099f0e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Med,

Thanks for the response. I put = some comments in lines.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 6:06 AM, <m= ohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote:

Hi Yoshi,

=C2=A0

Thank you for the review.

=C2=A0

Please see in line.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Med

=C2=A0

De=C2=A0: Yosh= ifumi Nishida [mailto:nishida@sfc.wide.ad.jp]
Envoy=C3=A9=C2=A0: mercredi 25 mars 2015 07:58
=C3=80=C2=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed IMT/OLN
Cc=C2=A0: multipathtcp@ietf.org; draft-boucadair-mptcp-symmetric@tools.= ietf.org
Objet=C2=A0: Re: [multipathtcp] TR: I-D Action: draft-boucadair-mptc= p-symmetric-02.txt

=C2=A0

Hi Med,

=C2=A0

I have read the draft. I agree with the motivation o= f the draft, but I'm not very sure if we need to extend or develop an o= ption yet.

=C2=A0

[Med] The current versio= n does not voice any preference among the three flavors listed in the docum= ent. Olivier suggested to redefine =E2=80=9CIPVer=E2=80=9D field as a =E2= =80=9Cflags=E2=80=9D field. Using a flag bit from that field would be fine for draft-boucadair-= mptcp-symmetric. =C2=A0


OK. I think redefining IPver field might be a g= ood idea, although we will need to think about how to use the flags.
<= div>=C2=A0

=C2=A0

My comments are below...=

=C2=A0

1: I think you will need to use= ADD_ADDR2 instead of ADD_ADDR in future versions as ADD_ADDR will be depre= cated.

=C2=A0

[Med] Fixed in my local = copy, thanks.

=C2=A0

2: mptcp cannot guarantee if it can receive incoming= flows as it depends on external mechanisms.=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 So, I'm not very sure how much the= check flag can be useful.=C2=A0

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[Med] Incoming packets c= an be received if appropriate mappings are installed in firewalls/NATs that= service a given device. Preparing those mappings is of course out of scope of MPTCP, but other means can be used (PCP is mentione= d as an example in the draft). Once those mappings are correctly instantiat= ed, the procedure defined in draft-boucadair-mptcp-symmetric allows to noti= fy the remote peer.


Hmm.. But, what we should do when C flag is not set= ? =C2=A0
Can't we just send an ADD_ADDR when we think it'= s ready to use?
=C2=A0

3: From the same reason above, = I'm also not very sure about the lifetime info, either.

=C2=A0

[Med] There is already s= ome text in the draft that explains the reason: e.g., anticipate migrating = the traffic to a new sub-flow, address selection process to avoid addresses with too short lifetimes, etc. BTW, the use of the life= time is aligned with what has been presented by B. Trammel in the technical= plenary in Dallas (http://www.ietf.org/procee= dings/92/slides/slides-92-iab-techplenary-3.pdf):<= /p>

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=E2=80=9CA2P=C2=A0 (app=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 path= ):=C2=A0 problem=C2=A0 appears=C2=A0 tractable,=C2=A0 there=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 = a=C2=A0 minimal=C2=A0 set=C2=A0

of=C2=A0 useful=C2=A0 information=C2=A0 (e.= g.=C2=A0 session=C2=A0 lifetime)=C2=A0 which=C2=A0 can=C2=A0 be=C2=A0 expos= ed,=C2=A0

and=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 anyway=C2=A0 useful=C2= =A0 to=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 far=C2=A0 endpoint=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

The lifetime discussion can be = separated from the one about the =E2=80=9Cpath validation checks=E2=80=9D.<= /span>


<= div>Well, lifetime info might be useful. But, if a peer can know the lifeti= me of the mapping table, I think it can re-negotiate before the expiration = of it.=C2=A0
This means, it can get a new mapping or can extend t= he current mapping. Either case, it might not need to tell the lifetime to = the remote peer.
In case where it failed to get the mapping, it c= an send a REMOVE_ADDR.=C2=A0

=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Also, even if an = endpoint tries to use a staled address for a new subflow, I think it will f= ail since the peer won't be able to send back a proper token.=

=C2=A0

[Med] The idea of sendin= g the lifetime is to avoid such delay to get established additional sub-flo= ws.


Ok. I see.

Thanks,
--
= Yoshi
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:50 AM, <mohamed.boucadair@orange= .com> wrote:

Dear all,

We submitted this short I-D.

Comments are welcome.

Cheers,
Med

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Hi A= ll,

 

We have proposed a new draft for optimizing MPTCP subflows usin= g Traceflow.

 

Name:        =    draft-aravind-mptcp-optimized-subflows

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Title:       = ;   Optimized Multipath TCP subflows using Traceflow

Document date:  2015-04-07

Group:         = ; Individual Submission

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We would love to hear your reviews and comments.=

 

Cheers,

S. Aravind Prasad

= --_000_D5A6F3355F664C40AFB65BB1277D8D4504085A9CF9MAAX7MCDC101A_-- From nobody Wed Apr 15 01:43:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C4E1B3322 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 01:43:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cF81w4QAIJPF for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 01:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp5.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (smtp.sgsi.ucl.ac.be [130.104.5.67]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D241B331E for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 01:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbpobo.local (unknown [130.104.228.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: obonaventure@smtp5.sgsi.ucl.ac.be) by smtp5.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C50A9198236 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:43:37 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp5.sgsi.ucl.ac.be C50A9198236 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=uclouvain.be; s=selucl; t=1429087417; bh=1uRaC7V9RVcZ7+ANnilisA36At/Dka5ZcCUogu5v+kE=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WNTn4e95xwp1jDIHXdSkrvcfjgk/pztszPmfzVkubmi8yj3jEHDNdiJQmFQI0Dcsl wMUBSpE/4nBm431rUJHHCTVVet5uHsq6U+fJct+bjt2NV3JU4n5m6tjCO1L9qfW2Ma DxxbFxHcNENLwCw/HteB27sNl3lHvwBm0eme35uY= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:43:43 +0200 From: Olivier Bonaventure User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multipathtcp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.7-exp at smtp-5.sipr-dc.ucl.ac.be X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Sgsi-Spamcheck: SASL authenticated, X-SGSI-MailScanner-ID: C50A9198236.A0E2A X-SGSI-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SGSI-From: olivier.bonaventure@uclouvain.be X-SGSI-Spam-Status: No Message-Id: <20150415084345.18D241B331E@ietfa.amsl.com> Archived-At: Subject: [multipathtcp] Multipath TCP and experimental options X-BeenThere: multipathtcp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be List-Id: Multi-path extensions for TCP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 08:43:47 -0000 Hello, RFC6824 defines Multipath TCP options number 0x0-0x7. Values 0x8 through 0xe are currently unassigned and value 0xf is reserved for Private Use within controlled testbeds. The number of possible Multipath TCP options is rather limited and 50% of the Multipath TCP options are already assigned. Several researchers have proposed new Multipath TCP options and there are some use cases where it could be useful to define new Multipath TCP options. To prevent an anarchic utilisation of the unassigned Multipath TCP options, it could probably be useful to support a shared use of Multipath TCP options as defined in RFC6994 for regular TCP in rfc6824bis. Unless codepoint 0xf has already been used in some private controlled testbeds, we could reuse this codepoint to support a shared use of Experimental Multipath TCP options. If this makes sense for the WG, I can write a short draft that could be discussed in Prague. Olivier From nobody Wed Apr 15 03:03:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748201A0100 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 03:03:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.091 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.091 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S74aceAk4gGM for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 03:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp5.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (smtp.sgsi.ucl.ac.be [130.104.5.67]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB661A01F6 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 03:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbpobo.local (unknown [130.104.228.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: obonaventure@smtp5.sgsi.ucl.ac.be) by smtp5.sgsi.ucl.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A985C1834C9; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:03:05 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp5.sgsi.ucl.ac.be A985C1834C9 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=uclouvain.be; s=selucl; t=1429092185; bh=6oCs9WUK19dy9N6MJ5w5afNSebgzAmVydZmY4fJuEKo=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=b9OLdsZByus6xmaDZ9q4/0s4r8XvvR9t7qdomRHY7Mco3i4eART3rr+dEWx3LIugH XaHlR/x7TfExdefVYMR0ESbS0PCfeB4cOxnrxXLYYGPjvO1ctnzYBwoYLEvhrBoRtZ 1bsT5qWaKu5qBUxAwLC5AAMg81SXVMWRqvbGAUis= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:03:11 +0200 From: Olivier Bonaventure User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aravind_Sridharan@Dell.com, multipathtcp@ietf.org References: <1534fa70665b47e4bc00877c46f6ab66@UCL-CAS01.OASIS.UCLOUVAIN.BE> In-Reply-To: <1534fa70665b47e4bc00877c46f6ab66@UCL-CAS01.OASIS.UCLOUVAIN.BE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.7-exp at smtp-6.sipr-dc.ucl.ac.be X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Sgsi-Spamcheck: SASL authenticated, X-SGSI-MailScanner-ID: A985C1834C9.A3D16 X-SGSI-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SGSI-From: olivier.bonaventure@uclouvain.be X-SGSI-Spam-Status: No Message-Id: <20150415100326.BAB661A01F6@ietfa.amsl.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] New draft for optimizing MPTCP subflows X-BeenThere: multipathtcp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be List-Id: Multi-path extensions for TCP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:03:32 -0000 Hello, > > We have proposed a new draft for optimizing MPTCP subflows using Traceflow. > > Name: draft-aravind-mptcp-optimized-subflows > > Revision: 00 > > Title: Optimized Multipath TCP subflows using Traceflow > I read the document and was very surprise by your choice of a Layer-2 protocol to distribute the information about the path. This makes sense in some datacenters that are based on layer2 switches, but does not apply to all possible use cases. There are other network scenarions where it could be useful for hosts that use Multipath TCP to select the path (or a part of) that will be followed by their subflows. I was wondering whether we should not start by listing all these use cases and then evaluate what are the existing protocols that could be used to create/select those paths. Olivier -- INL, ICTEAM, UCLouvain, Belgium, http://inl.info.ucl.ac.be From nobody Thu Apr 16 00:04:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3615C1B2AB2 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 00:04:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.615 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RELAY_IS_203=0.994, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u3ywJEQnOlyP for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 00:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (shonan.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.142.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F2641B2A99 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 00:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-f43.google.com (mail-wg0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 64EC72780CF for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 16:04:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by wgin8 with SMTP id n8so70197443wgi.0 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 00:04:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.181.13.144 with SMTP id ey16mr2424147wid.38.1429167852631; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 00:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.41.167 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 00:04:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150415084345.18D241B331E@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20150415084345.18D241B331E@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 00:04:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: Yoshifumi Nishida To: Olivier Bonaventure Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c804c2e3cef0513d212a1 Archived-At: Cc: multipathtcp Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] Multipath TCP and experimental options X-BeenThere: multipathtcp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-path extensions for TCP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 07:04:19 -0000 --f46d043c804c2e3cef0513d212a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Olivier, I personally think this makes sense. A question will be how to avoid conflicts between experiments, but I guess we could use the reserved field. -- Yoshi On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Olivier Bonaventure < Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be> wrote: > Hello, > > RFC6824 defines Multipath TCP options number 0x0-0x7. Values > 0x8 through 0xe are currently unassigned and value 0xf is > reserved for Private Use within controlled testbeds. > > The number of possible Multipath TCP options is rather limited and 50% of > the Multipath TCP options are already assigned. > > Several researchers have proposed new Multipath TCP options and there are > some use cases where it could be useful to define new Multipath TCP > options. To prevent an anarchic utilisation of the unassigned Multipath TCP > options, it could probably be useful to support a shared use of Multipath > TCP options as defined in RFC6994 for regular TCP in rfc6824bis. Unless > codepoint 0xf has already been used in some private controlled testbeds, we > could reuse this codepoint to support a shared use of Experimental > Multipath TCP options. > > If this makes sense for the WG, I can write a short draft that could be > discussed in Prague. > > > Olivier > > _______________________________________________ > multipathtcp mailing list > multipathtcp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multipathtcp > --f46d043c804c2e3cef0513d212a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Olivier,
I personally think this makes sense.=C2=A0=
A question will be how to avoid conflicts between experiments, b= ut I guess we could use the reserved field.
--
Yoshi

On Wed, Apr 15, = 2015 at 1:43 AM, Olivier Bonaventure <Olivier.Bonaventure@u= clouvain.be> wrote:
Hello,<= br>
RFC6824 defines Multipath TCP options number 0x0-0x7. Values
0x8 through 0xe are currently unassigned and value 0xf is
reserved for Private Use within controlled testbeds.

The number of possible Multipath TCP options is rather limited and 50% of t= he Multipath TCP options are already assigned.

Several researchers have proposed new Multipath TCP options and there are s= ome use cases where it could be useful to define new Multipath TCP options.= To prevent an anarchic utilisation of the unassigned Multipath TCP options= , it could probably be useful to support a shared use of Multipath TCP opti= ons as defined in RFC6994 for regular TCP in rfc6824bis. Unless codepoint 0= xf has already been used in some private controlled testbeds, we could reus= e this codepoint to support a shared use of Experimental Multipath TCP opti= ons.

If this makes sense for the WG, I can write a short draft that could be dis= cussed in Prague.


Olivier

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--f46d043c804c2e3cef0513d212a1-- From nobody Tue Apr 21 14:24:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173B11B2B8B; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 14:24:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KiUKqv4FYBOf; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 14:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FAD1B2B96; Tue, 21 Apr 2015 14:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.1.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150421212433.25654.8462.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 14:24:33 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: mptcp mailing list , mptcp chair , RFC Editor Subject: [multipathtcp] Document Action: 'Analysis of MPTCP residual threats and possible fixes' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-mptcp-attacks-04.txt) X-BeenThere: multipathtcp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Multi-path extensions for TCP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 21:24:37 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Analysis of MPTCP residual threats and possible fixes' (draft-ietf-mptcp-attacks-04.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Multipath TCP Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Spencer Dawkins and Martin Stiemerling. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mptcp-attacks/ Technical Summary This document describes an analysis for residual security threats in MPTCP spec and provides some guidances for them. The information in the document is used for updating the current MPTCP spec and discussions for future direction of MPTCP developments. Working Group Summary The analysis and guidances provided by this documents has been discussed in the WG. The problems in MPTCP pointed out by the document have already been addressed in RFC6824bis draft (draft-ietf-mptcp-rfc6824bis). The guidances in the document has also been used for discussions in the WG for future security enhancements of MPTCP. The consensus for this document was clear because of the usefulness of the document. Document Quality The document has been reviewed and discussed by multiple participants in the WG. Personnel Yoshifumi Nishida is the Document Shepherd for this document. The Responsible Area Director is Martin Stiemerling From nobody Thu Apr 23 00:22:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5B01B2F16 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2015 00:21:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YoFtC9QCNVfz for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2015 00:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ausxipps301.us.dell.com (ausxipps301.us.dell.com [143.166.148.223]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6FAD1B2F11 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2015 00:21:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=smtpout; d=dell.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-LoopCount0:X-IronPort-AV:From:To:Date:Subject: Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Accept-Language:Content-Language: X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:acceptlanguage: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version: Return-Path; b=dke3mADNnG+f1/IgjYP4ViqptHF1JbSnqvSUAU9ydOwV2ql9oWa8TUs7 EDEI1OQ0GyNfv2QssqXyVtx948Jb01qBwPj2uaaLg4HVd94sLfkNE8k5s K4F6m2yevKOCOrkcNpR+wZi8wo3xHMS1nCdoRZ+JK3C8AuFIeKTS/tSjt c=; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dell.com; i=@dell.com; q=dns/txt; s=smtpout; t=1429773711; x=1461309711; h=from:to:date:subject:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=HoiVyqZfIeqAWTNIUyxchKXXBUnyuRA6prBxtJFAtRI=; b=Ulg7E9eiN9ya7A/QKdxtO2vl8sCKFV8wycinb7HbpCjZXJc+u0ctdGEk APX3z+TiaCpubtSJm1V4DiVBEzURc5YkwvPkRZ5wxzqshqgdX4nHPbaHk TFrXR+x5wv9T+z0j0HuVK2ZtT8wqOCfgNDpsoqvFC82B+lHmhRPtvT6L2 k=; X-LoopCount0: from 10.170.28.41 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,629,1422943200"; d="scan'208";a="647452479" From: To: , Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:51:42 +0530 Thread-Topic: [multipathtcp] New draft for optimizing MPTCP subflows Thread-Index: AdB3Y6tgvsBiZyXISm++JTRJbs3WzwGMYAoq Message-ID: References: <1534fa70665b47e4bc00877c46f6ab66@UCL-CAS01.OASIS.UCLOUVAIN.BE>, <873286f5-462b-457b-a207-8462a6f0419e@AUSX7HPS302.AMER.DELL.COM> In-Reply-To: <873286f5-462b-457b-a207-8462a6f0419e@AUSX7HPS302.AMER.DELL.COM> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] New draft for optimizing MPTCP subflows X-BeenThere: multipathtcp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-path extensions for TCP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 07:21:58 -0000 Hi Olivier, Thanks a lot for the review comments.=20 Actually, the choice of Layer-2 protocol was only due to the sole fact that= the packets have to be processed by the Layer-2 switches as well in additi= on to other various devices in the network. The original Traceflow proposal was using UDP protocol and hence, may not b= e processed by the Layer-2 switches in network.=20 And hence, this is not actually a strict condition and we may use the most = appropriate protocol to disperse the packets in the network.=20 Kindly let us know your views and comments.=20 Thanks, S. Aravind Prasad ________________________________________ From: Olivier Bonaventure [Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 3:33 PM To: Sridharan, Aravind; multipathtcp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] New draft for optimizing MPTCP subflows Hello, > > We have proposed a new draft for optimizing MPTCP subflows using Traceflo= w. > > Name: draft-aravind-mptcp-optimized-subflows > > Revision: 00 > > Title: Optimized Multipath TCP subflows using Traceflow > I read the document and was very surprise by your choice of a Layer-2 protocol to distribute the information about the path. This makes sense in some datacenters that are based on layer2 switches, but does not apply to all possible use cases. There are other network scenarions where it could be useful for hosts that use Multipath TCP to select the path (or a part of) that will be followed by their subflows. I was wondering whether we should not start by listing all these use cases and then evaluate what are the existing protocols that could be used to create/select those paths. Olivier -- INL, ICTEAM, UCLouvain, Belgium, http://inl.info.ucl.ac.be= From nobody Mon Apr 27 01:21:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B109A1B2EEE for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 01:21:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dwWfKSVgfe8P for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 01:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4027B1B2ED6 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 01:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BVJ32179; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:20:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.33) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 09:20:57 +0100 Received: from NKGEML507-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.79]) by nkgeml402-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.33]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 16:20:48 +0800 From: "Weixinpeng (Jackie)" To: "multipathtcp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Collection of MPTCP proxy scenarios. Thread-Index: AdCAwvpNnNPeumeBQfS9+TLGmrSnhw== Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:20:48 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.76.176] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B46E336D13nkgeml507mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: "Weixinpeng \(Jackie\)" Subject: [multipathtcp] Collection of MPTCP proxy scenarios. X-BeenThere: multipathtcp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-path extensions for TCP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:21:02 -0000 --_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B46E336D13nkgeml507mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, MPTCP proxy aims to provide additional deployment support for MPTCP protoco= l, and the functions provided by MPTCP proxy could involve several different aspects such as supporting e= stablishment of MPTCP connection between MPTCP host and traditional TCP host, aggregating of subflows to one point f= or security reasons,... I am trying to figure out as many MPTCP proxy deployment scenarios as possi= ble to have a more deep understanding of how MPTCP proxy should work. As an example, here are some potential scen= arios: (1) MPTCP proxy in operator's network. The operator could deploy MPTCP prox= y to assist MPTCP-capable UE to communicate with TCP server on Internet using MPTCP. (2) MPTCP proxy in enterprise network. Enterprise network could ask all the= traffic pass through security check point for security reasons, in this case, all the subflows belong to a MPTCP connection should be aggre= gated at the same point. Besides, some existing documents such as draft-deng-mptcp-proxy-01 and draf= t-lopez-mptcp-middlebox-00 also provide some related discussion. So if you know some additional MPTCP proxy deployment scenarios especially = the ones that have some special requirements, It will be appreciated if you= could share it here. Or if you have any other considerations on the MPTCP proxy t= opic, we can also discuss it here. Thanks! Regards, -Xinpeng --_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B46E336D13nkgeml507mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

MPTCP proxy aims to provide add= itional deployment support for MPTCP protocol, and the functions provided

by MPTCP proxy could involve se= veral different aspects such as supporting establishment of MPTCP connectio= n between

MPTCP host and traditional TCP = host, aggregating of subflows to one point for security reasons,…

 

I am trying to figure out as ma= ny MPTCP proxy deployment scenarios as possible to have a more deep underst= anding

of how MPTCP proxy should work.= As an example, here are some potential scenarios:

(1) MPTCP proxy in operatorR= 17;s network. The operator could deploy MPTCP proxy to assist MPTCP-capable= UE to communicate

with TCP server on Internet usi= ng MPTCP.

(2) MPTCP proxy in enterprise n= etwork. Enterprise network could ask all the traffic pass through security = check point for security reasons,

in this case, all the subflows = belong to a MPTCP connection should be aggregated at the same point.

Besides, some existing document= s such as draft-deng-mptcp-proxy-01 and draft-lopez-mptcp-middlebox-00 also= provide some related discussion.

 

So if you know some additional = MPTCP proxy deployment scenarios especially the ones that have some special= requirements, It will be appreciated if you could

share it here. Or if you have a= ny other considerations on the MPTCP proxy topic, we can also discuss it he= re.

 

Thanks!

 

Regards,

-Xinpeng

 

 

 

 

--_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B46E336D13nkgeml507mbxchi_-- From nobody Mon Apr 27 01:24:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: multipathtcp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58AF1B2EF8 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 01:23:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.859 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.859 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iFtRe9uG-wT4 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 01:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tu-berlin.de (mail.tu-berlin.de [130.149.7.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EE041B2EF3 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 01:23:57 -0700 (PDT) X-tubIT-Incoming-IP: 130.149.49.51 Received: from vpnsrv.tkn.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.49.51] helo=[192.168.103.163]) by mail.tu-berlin.de (exim-4.76/mailfrontend-7) with esmtpsa [UNKNOWN:AES128-SHA:128] for id 1YmeKY-0005mH-1Z; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 10:23:55 +0200 Message-ID: <553DF21A.20906@tu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 10:23:54 +0200 From: Lukasz Budzisz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multipathtcp@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060902000201060803070101" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] Collection of MPTCP proxy scenarios. X-BeenThere: multipathtcp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-path extensions for TCP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:24:00 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060902000201060803070101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Xinpeng, you may have a look at the draft we presented in the IETF Paris meeting: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ayar-transparent-sca-proxy-00 Best regards, Lukasz On 27/04/15 10:20, Weixinpeng (Jackie) wrote: > > Hi all, > > MPTCP proxy aims to provide additional deployment support for MPTCP > protocol, and the functions provided > > by MPTCP proxy could involve several different aspects such as > supporting establishment of MPTCP connection between > > MPTCP host and traditional TCP host, aggregating of subflows to one > point for security reasons,… > > I am trying to figure out as many MPTCP proxy deployment scenarios as > possible to have a more deep understanding > > of how MPTCP proxy should work. As an example, here are some potential > scenarios: > > (1) MPTCP proxy in operator’s network. The operator could deploy MPTCP > proxy to assist MPTCP-capable UE to communicate > > with TCP server on Internet using MPTCP. > > (2) MPTCP proxy in enterprise network. Enterprise network could ask > all the traffic pass through security check point for security reasons, > > in this case, all the subflows belong to a MPTCP connection should be > aggregated at the same point. > > Besides, some existing documents such as draft-deng-mptcp-proxy-01 and > draft-lopez-mptcp-middlebox-00 also provide some related discussion. > > So if you know some additional MPTCP proxy deployment scenarios > especially the ones that have some special requirements, It will be > appreciated if you could > > share it here. Or if you have any other considerations on the MPTCP > proxy topic, we can also discuss it here. > > Thanks! > > Regards, > > -Xinpeng > > > > _______________________________________________ > multipathtcp mailing list > multipathtcp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multipathtcp --------------060902000201060803070101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Xinpeng,
you may have a look at the draft we presented in the IETF Paris meeting:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ayar-transparent-sca-proxy-00
Best regards,
Lukasz
 

    
On 27/04/15 10:20, Weixinpeng (Jackie)
      wrote:

    

    

      
      
      
      

        
Hi all,

        
MPTCP proxy aims to
            provide additional deployment support for MPTCP protocol,
            and the functions provided

        
by MPTCP proxy could
            involve several different aspects such as supporting
            establishment of MPTCP connection between

        
MPTCP host and
            traditional TCP host, aggregating of subflows to one point
            for security reasons,…

        
 

        
I am trying to figure
            out as many MPTCP proxy deployment scenarios as possible to
            have a more deep understanding

        
of how MPTCP proxy
            should work. As an example, here are some potential
            scenarios:

        
(1) MPTCP proxy in
            operator’s network. The operator could deploy MPTCP proxy to
            assist MPTCP-capable UE to communicate

        
with TCP server on
            Internet using MPTCP.

        
(2) MPTCP proxy in
            enterprise network. Enterprise network could ask all the
            traffic pass through security check point for security
            reasons,

        
in this case, all the
            subflows belong to a MPTCP connection should be aggregated
            at the same point.

        
Besides, some existing
            documents such as draft-deng-mptcp-proxy-01 and
            draft-lopez-mptcp-middlebox-00 also provide some related
            discussion.

        
 

        
So if you know some
            additional MPTCP proxy deployment scenarios especially the
            ones that have some special requirements, It will be
            appreciated if you could
            

        
share it here. Or if you
            have any other considerations on the MPTCP proxy topic, we
            can also discuss it here.

        
 

        
Thanks!

        
 

        
Regards,

        
-Xinpeng

        
 

        
 

        
 

        
 

      

      

      

      

      
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Weixinpeng,
>
> MPTCP proxy aims to provide additional deployment support for MPTCP
> protocol, and the functions provided
>
> by MPTCP proxy could involve several different aspects such as
> supporting establishment of MPTCP connection between
>
> MPTCP host and traditional TCP host, aggregating of subflows to one
> point for security reasons,…

I've started to collect an annotated bibliography on Multipath TCP at 
http://blog.multipath-tcp.org/blog/html/2015/04/09/bibliography.html

section 4.4 of the bibliography already points to several references on 
the utilisation of MPTCP proxies that could be useful for your analysis.

The connection acrobatics proposal discussed in
http://inl.info.ucl.ac.be/publications/evolving-internet-connection-acrobatics
is another scenario that could involve MPTCP proxies in the future


Olivier

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Hello,

I would like to point you to our Internet-Draft to make MPTCP robust for
stateless webservers.
Please see below for the links and the abstract.

Feedback is of course very welcome.


Cheers,
Christoph

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From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: Anumita Biswas , Darren Haas , Anumita Biswas , Christoph Paasch ,
	Darren Haas , Christoph Paasch 
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 13:39:22 -0700
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-paasch-mptcp-syncookies-00.txt


A new version of I-D, draft-paasch-mptcp-syncookies-00.txt
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Name:		draft-paasch-mptcp-syncookies
Revision:	00
Title:		Making Multipath TCP robust for stateless webservers
Document date:	2015-04-27
Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		10
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-paasch-mptcp-syncookies-00.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-paasch-mptcp-syncookies/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-paasch-mptcp-syncookies-00


Abstract:
   This document proposes an extension to Multipath TCP that allows it
   to work efficiently with stateless servers.  We first identify the
   issues around stateless connection establishment using SYN-cookies.
   Further, we suggest an extension to Multipath TCP to overcome these
   issues and discuss alternatives.

                                                                                  


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Thanks Olivier for providing such a good reference, it would be very helpfu=
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Xinpeng

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Olivier Bonaventure [mailto:Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be]
>Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 4:27 PM
>To: Weixinpeng (Jackie); multipathtcp@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] Collection of MPTCP proxy scenarios.
>
>Weixinpeng,
>>
>> MPTCP proxy aims to provide additional deployment support for MPTCP
>> protocol, and the functions provided
>>
>> by MPTCP proxy could involve several different aspects such as
>> supporting establishment of MPTCP connection between
>>
>> MPTCP host and traditional TCP host, aggregating of subflows to one
>> point for security reasons,...
>
>I've started to collect an annotated bibliography on Multipath TCP at
>http://blog.multipath-tcp.org/blog/html/2015/04/09/bibliography.html
>
>section 4.4 of the bibliography already points to several references on th=
e
>utilisation of MPTCP proxies that could be useful for your analysis.
>
>The connection acrobatics proposal discussed in
>http://inl.info.ucl.ac.be/publications/evolving-internet-connection-acroba=
tics
>is another scenario that could involve MPTCP proxies in the future
>
>
>Olivier
>
>--
>INL, ICTEAM, UCLouvain, Belgium, http://inl.info.ucl.ac.be


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