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Hi All,

Independently of your work, I have created a new spec for Mobile TCP.
Basically it allow users to migrate from one WiFi network to the next,
without ever losing TCP session, and even if there is a full disconnect,
the session can be re-connected later on, as long as there is no timeout.

I have created it as an alternative to Mobile IP, which I consider
over-complex, and dependent upon ability to configure foreign routers, over
which you have no control.

Internet Protocol - Five Fields: Mobile TCP (Mobile IP replacement)
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eromenko-ipff-mops/

1) What do you think of it ?

In my understanding Multipath-TCP allows mobility, but only as long as
there is at least one connection exists, that is, if there is WiFi + 3G,
and you re-connect to another WiFi, you can have mobility, but if your only
connection drops, then no.

2) Is this correct ?

-- 
-Alexey Eromenko "Technologov"

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi All,<div><br></div><div>Independently of your work, I h=
ave created a new spec for Mobile TCP.</div><div>Basically it allow users t=
o migrate from one WiFi network to the next, without ever losing TCP sessio=
n, and even if there is a full disconnect, the session can be re-connected =
later on, as long as there is no timeout.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I =
have created it as an alternative to Mobile IP, which I consider over-compl=
ex, and dependent upon ability to configure foreign routers, over which you=
 have no control.</div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"=
>Internet Protocol -=C2=A0<span class=3D"">Five</span>=C2=A0<span class=3D"=
">Fields</span>: Mobile TCP (Mobile IP replacement)</span><br style=3D"font=
-size:12.8px"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eromenko-ip=
ff-mops/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-size:12.8px">h=
ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eromenko-ipff-mops/</a><br></div><div=
><br></div><div>1) What do you think of it ?<br clear=3D"all"></div><div><b=
r></div><div>In my understanding Multipath-TCP allows mobility, but only as=
 long as there is at least one connection exists, that is, if there is WiFi=
 + 3G, and you re-connect to another WiFi, you can have mobility, but if yo=
ur only connection drops, then no.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>2) Is thi=
s correct ?</div><div><br></div><div>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature">=
-Alexey Eromenko &quot;Technologov&quot;</div>
</div></div>

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On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jordan Melzer <Jordan.Melzer@telus.com>
wrote:

> Re 2), MPTCP can hand-over in a break before make way, as long as the
> session is still open.
>
> Have you tried it out?
>
> Sent from my Samsung device
>
>
No, but I read about it a little bit. But not fully.

Standard mainline Linux supports it ? From which version ?

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<div>Re 2), MPTCP can hand-over in a break before make way, as long as the =
session is still open.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Have you tried it out?</div>
<div><br>
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<div>
<div style=3D"font-size:85%;color:#575757">Sent from my Samsung device</div=
>
</div>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, but I read about it a little=
 bit. But not fully.</div><div><br></div><div>Standard mainline Linux suppo=
rts it ? From which version ?</div></div>
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Hello,
>
> Independently of your work, I have created a new spec for Mobile TCP.
> Basically it allow users to migrate from one WiFi network to the next,
> without ever losing TCP session, and even if there is a full disconnect,
> the session can be re-connected later on, as long as there is no timeout.

MPTCP already does this. This has been part of RFC6824 for a long time.
>
> I have created it as an alternative to Mobile IP, which I consider
> over-complex, and dependent upon ability to configure foreign routers,
> over which you have no control.
>
> Internet Protocol - Five Fields: Mobile TCP (Mobile IP replacement)
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eromenko-ipff-mops/
>
> 1) What do you think of it ?
>
> In my understanding Multipath-TCP allows mobility, but only as long as
> there is at least one connection exists, that is, if there is WiFi + 3G,
> and you re-connect to another WiFi, you can have mobility, but if your
> only connection drops, then no.

MPTCP can support a scenario where a subflow stops for some time over 
one interface and later restarts over the same interface. You can find 
additional information on measurements performed with MPTCP on 
smartphones using the Linux kernel implementation in

http://inl.info.ucl.ac.be/publications/first-analysis-multipath-tcp-smartphones 
(to be presented at PAM2016)

http://inl.info.ucl.ac.be/publications/observing-real-smartphone-applications-over-multipath-tcp 
(to appear)


Olivier




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Hi Alexey,

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 3:28 AM, Alexey Eromenko <al4321@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Independently of your work, I have created a new spec for Mobile TCP.
> Basically it allow users to migrate from one WiFi network to the next,
> without ever losing TCP session, and even if there is a full disconnect,
> the session can be re-connected later on, as long as there is no timeout.
>
> I have created it as an alternative to Mobile IP, which I consider
> over-complex, and dependent upon ability to configure foreign routers, over
> which you have no control.
>
> Internet Protocol - Five Fields: Mobile TCP (Mobile IP replacement)
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eromenko-ipff-mops/
>
> 1) What do you think of it ?
>
> In my understanding Multipath-TCP allows mobility, but only as long as
> there is at least one connection exists, that is, if there is WiFi + 3G,
> and you re-connect to another WiFi, you can have mobility, but if your only
> connection drops, then no.
>

The mptcp spec allows you to support such scenarios. Please refer 3.3.3 in
RFC6824 or 6824bis draft.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Alexey,<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 3:28 AM, Alexey Eromenko <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:al4321@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">al4321@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Hi All,<div><br></div><div>Independently of your work, I have created a =
new spec for Mobile TCP.</div><div>Basically it allow users to migrate from=
 one WiFi network to the next, without ever losing TCP session, and even if=
 there is a full disconnect, the session can be re-connected later on, as l=
ong as there is no timeout.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I have created i=
t as an alternative to Mobile IP, which I consider over-complex, and depend=
ent upon ability to configure foreign routers, over which you have no contr=
ol.</div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Internet Prot=
ocol -=C2=A0<span>Five</span>=C2=A0<span>Fields</span>: Mobile TCP (Mobile =
IP replacement)</span><br style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><a href=3D"https://dat=
atracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eromenko-ipff-mops/" rel=3D"noreferrer" style=
=3D"font-size:12.8px" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr=
aft-eromenko-ipff-mops/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>1) What do you thi=
nk of it ?<br clear=3D"all"></div><div><br></div><div>In my understanding M=
ultipath-TCP allows mobility, but only as long as there is at least one con=
nection exists, that is, if there is WiFi + 3G, and you re-connect to anoth=
er WiFi, you can have mobility, but if your only connection drops, then no.=
=C2=A0</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The mptcp spec allows yo=
u to support such scenarios. Please refer 3.3.3 in RFC6824 or 6824bis draft=
.</div><div>--</div><div>Yoshi</div></div></div></div>

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Hi,

According to the current agenda, we will have a 2 hours slot on April 6
Wednesday afternoon (14:00 - 16:00)
If you're planning to present something, please provide us the
following info.
Also, please suggest us if you have some idea of the topics to be discussed
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   1: presenter's name
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Thanks,
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 current=C2=A0<span class=3D"">agenda</span>, we will have a 2 hours slot o=
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e suggest us if you have some idea of the topics to be discussed at the ven=
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Dear all,

Comments about this draft (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-mptc=
p-radius-01) are more than welcome.


The design follows the recommendations in I-D.ietf-radext-datatypes<https:/=
/tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-mptcp-radius-01#ref-I-D.ietf-radext-da=
tatypes>.

Abstract

   One of the promising deployment scenarios for Multipath TCP (MPTCP)
   is to enable a Customer Premises Equipment (CPE) that is connected to
   multiple networks (e.g., DSL, LTE, WLAN) to optimize the usage of its
   network attachments.  Because of the lack of MPTCP support at the
   server side, some service providers consider a network-assisted model
   that relies upon the activation of a dedicated function called: MPTCP
   Concentrator.

   This document specifies a new Remote Authentication Dial-In User
   Service (RADIUS) attributes that carry the IP addresses that allow
   CPE devices to reach one or multiple MPTCP Concentrators.
Thank you.

Cheers,
Med

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family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:FR">&nbsp;&nbsp; is to =
enable a Customer Premises Equipment (CPE) that is connected to<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:FR">&nbsp;&nbsp; multip=
le networks (e.g., DSL, LTE, WLAN) to optimize the usage of its<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:FR">&nbsp;&nbsp; networ=
k attachments.&nbsp; Because of the lack of MPTCP support at the<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:FR">&nbsp;&nbsp; server=
 side, some service providers consider a network-assisted model<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:FR">&nbsp;&nbsp; that r=
elies upon the activation of a dedicated function called: MPTCP<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:FR">&nbsp;&nbsp; Concen=
trator.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:FR"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:FR">&nbsp;&nbsp; This d=
ocument specifies a new Remote Authentication Dial-In User<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:FR">&nbsp;&nbsp; Servic=
e (RADIUS) attributes that carry the IP addresses that allow<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:FR">&nbsp;&nbsp; CPE de=
vices to reach one or multiple MPTCP Concentrators.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Med<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Dear Philip Eardley,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
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mptcp Session 1 (2:00:00)
    Wednesday, Afternoon Session I 1400-1600
    Room Name: Buen Ayre B size: 125
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Request Information:


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Working Group Name: Multipath TCP
Area Name: Transport Area
Session Requester: Philip Eardley

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  2 Hours
Number of Attendees: 60
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority: ippm tcpinc tcpm tsvarea tsvwg lmap tls saag
 Second Priority: taps netext mif iccrg rtcweb cdni



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Hi,

I uploaded a draft agenda. Please let us know of changes that may be needed

thanks



Phil & Yoshi

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/agenda/agenda-95-mptcp

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<p>thanks</p>
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