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As announced on the mailing list recently, the charter for the NEA WG
has been updated to allow work to proceed on Posture Transport (PT)
protocol(s). The next step is to solicit proposals for PT from the WG.=20

If you have a proposal, please submit it to the IETF as an
Internet-Draft (individual submission) by 5pm PT on Mon, Jan 4, 2010.
Also, please notify the chairs by Mon Nov 2, if you plan to submit a
proposal, and indicate whether you will be available to provide a
conceptual overview of the proposal at the WG meeting at IETF76. This
will help with setting the WG agenda.

As you see, due to the delay in approval of the WG charter, we are
setting the deadline for proposal submission to be after the upcoming
IETF. This is later than originally planned, but we felt it was
important to provide sufficient time for I-Ds to be written. To expedite
progress, we do plan to allow time in the WG agenda at IETF76 for
proponents to provide a conceptual overview of the planned submissions.
This will allow early WG feedback, and provide the opportunity to
combine proposals before submitting an I-D. No decisions will be made on
selection of one proposal or another until the individual submissions
have been received and reviewed by the WG.

As discussed at the last IETF, we will be following a process similar to
that used with the PA and PB protocols in determining which proposals
are adopted as WG drafts. The tentative plan is to hold a virtual
meeting in January 2010 (schedule TBD) to discuss the proposals and
decide on how to proceed. As always, consensus will be verified on the
mailing list.=20

Thanks
Susan and Steve

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There was not a lot of discussion on this issue but the
consensus from the comments posted seems to be that we
should follow option a:

> a). you update the text to relax instructions for the=20
> designated Expert Reviewer

Therefore, the editors of PA-TNC and PB-TNC will soon be
posting revised Internet-Drafts that make this change.

Thanks,

Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nea-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nea-bounces@ietf.org] On=20
> Behalf Of Paul Hoffman
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:36 PM
> To: Alexey Melnikov; Stephen Hanna
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> Subject: Re: [Nea] IESG query re Expert Review
>=20
> Alexey makes some very good points here.
>=20
> At 10:43 PM +0100 9/17/09, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
> >The situation I have in mind is as follows: Assume a vendor=20
> A implements some vendor specific attributes. The=20
> implementation becomes widespread and other implementations=20
> would like to implement it as well. Then somebody not working=20
> for vendor A convinces an A's representative to register the=20
> attributes as a favor to the community. The A's=20
> representative tries to do that, but either the documentation=20
> is not quite clear on some details, or it is not always interoperable.
> >At this point the registration procedure says that the=20
> expert should reject the registration. The A's representative=20
> doesn't feel obligated to fix documentation, because the=20
> registration was submitted as a service to the community. So,=20
> would rejecting the registration in such a case be worse than=20
> registering something which is not perfect?
>=20
> From the experience in other Security WGs, this scenario is=20
> both possible and unfortunate. Worse, people will disagree=20
> with the answer to the last question and will waste a lot of=20
> time that could be used more productively.
>=20
> >If the WG group agrees that this might be a problem, then=20
> there are 2 ways to fix this:
> >a). you update the text to relax instructions for the=20
> designated Expert Reviewer
> >or
> >b). the WG can select an Expert Reviewer who is quite=20
> relaxed about the rules and would be flexible about allowing=20
> not-fully-compliant vendor specific registrations. In this=20
> case you don't need to change the document, but there is a=20
> small risk that the designated expert wouldn't be as flexible.
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> Relying on (b) for the long term is not a good strategy. I=20
> think (a) is much better. Really, the stability of the=20
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> the text is bad, anyone who cares will reverse-engineer it=20
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	Title		: PA-TNC: A Posture Attribute Protocol (PA) Compatible with TNC
	Author(s)	: K. Narayan, P. Sangster
	Filename	: draft-ietf-nea-pa-tnc-06.txt
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I just posted a new version of PB-TNC that changes the
IANA Considerations as agreed by the NEA WG, removing
the requirement for vendor-specific values to be clear
and likely to ensure interoperability. This version
also clarifies the definition of PB-Language-Preference
and fixes some text that said every PB-TNC batch MUST
contain one or more PB-TNC messages. That used to be
true when Batch Type was a PB-TNC message but now that
it's a header field, there are several types of PB-TNC
batches that PB-TNC says may contain zero PB-TNC messages,
such as CRETRY and SRETRY batches.

I figured that you would like to know what changed.
Most of these changes were made in response to IESG
comments. The only exception is the change in the
minimum number of PB-TNC messages, which was made to
resolve an internal contradiction within the spec.

Thanks,

Steve

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Draft agenda for IETF76 in Japan has been submitted and is attached
below.

Please send proposed additions/changes to WG chairs. In particular, if
you plan to submit a PT proposal in response to the WG call for
submissions (see email to NEA WG mailing list Oct 21),  and are
available to provide a conceptual overview at the IETF76 meeting, please
let the chairs know if you have not done so already. This will help us
with scheduling.=20

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Susan
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Agenda for IETF 76 NEA WG meeting
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Date: Monday, Nov 9, 2009
Time: 1740-1940=20
WG Charter: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/nea-charter.html
WG Tools: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/nea
WG email: nea@ietf.org

1740 Administrivia
         Blue Sheets
         Jabber & Minute scribes
         Agenda bashing
1745 WG Status
1750 Review PB-TNC changes
     http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nea-pb-tnc-06.txt
1755 Review PA-TNC changes
     http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nea-pa-tnc-06.txt
1800 Process for soliciting proposals on Posture Transport protocol=20
1810 Conceptual overview of Posture Transport protocols
1930 Update Milestones=20
1940 Adjourn

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Last week I posted a new version of the PA-TNC draft that includes
updates to address comments received during the IESG review including
those discussed at IETF 75.  These revisions include:
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o Removal of remaining references to PA-TNC security protocol (which the
WG opt'ed not to standardize)
o Additional text about how PT will protect the PA-TNC message exchanges
o Updates to IANA Considerations to lower expectations during expert
reviews of vendor-defined values
o Clarification on errors when receiving malformed PA-TNC message or
attributes
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Overall the number and size of the changes to the document were small
hopefully suggestion we have stability in the specification.
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Thanks,
Paul

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