From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 02 02:16:12 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUH5K-00078o-Hl; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:15:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUH5J-00078j-Iy for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:15:25 -0400 Received: from yskfw1.ysknet.co.jp ([210.169.255.3] helo=ksns.ks.ysknet.co.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUH5E-0008N3-S7 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:15:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 31628 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 15:15:08 +0900 Received: from (HELO MIP6-236) (@) by with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 15:15:08 +0900 To: nemo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo From: "K.Kawaguchi" References: <200609201718.HAJ30652.JLUVBXHB@ysknet.co.jp> <200609281458.IIE26588.HUVJBBXL@ysknet.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <200609281458.IIE26588.HUVJBBXL@ysknet.co.jp> Message-Id: <200610021515.GBC65639.BJLBUXVH@ysknet.co.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.43 PL1] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:15:04 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7fa173a723009a6ca8ce575a65a5d813 X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, We E-mails again for confirmation though there is no opinion. The IPv6 Ready Logo NEMO will begin within one month if it is unquestionable. NEMO allows to generates HoA either from home network prefix or mobile network prefix. We treats the first configuration as a basic function and the second one as the advanced function. Does anybody comments on this? Best regards --- Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI In message <200609281458.IIE26588.HUVJBBXL@ysknet.co.jp> "[nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo" ""K.Kawaguchi" " wrote: > Hi, > > We will begin IPv6 Ready Logo of RFC3963 (NEMO basic support). > This is a program of the confidence to the NEMO product based > on RFC3963. We want to hear your opinion in regard to the test > condition in this test specification. > > We have opened the preparation version of the test specification > to the public. > > http://www.ipv6ready.org/announcement/public_review20060621_nemo.html > > The point that we want to hear the opinion is the following parts. > http://cert.v6pc.jp/nemo/phase2/public_review/pdf/nemo_phase2policy-v1_0_b2.pdf > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > 3. Policy for Basic and Advanced Functions > > Here shows the view of satisfaction of the functions belonging to Basic > Function (Priority A1) and Advanced Function (Priority A2) for Home > Agent and Mobile Router. > > - HA (Home Agent) > - Router functions defined in "Test Specifications for the IPv6 Core > Protocols" MUST be supported. > - Mobile network prefix registration supporting all of explicit mode, > implicit mode, home address derived from the Mobile Network Prefix, and > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > home address derived from the Home Network Prefix is a Basic Function (A1). > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > * supplementation) keywords > Basic Function (Priority A1) : It is defined as indispensable function. > It is always to be tested in Logo. > Advance Function (Priority A2): It is defined as enhanced feature. > It is tested by selection in Logo. > > > RFC3963 has not described which method is a 'MUST'. Therefore, > we had equally treated both. However, the operation is possible > by either one. And a lot of venders might implement only one > of methods. Now, we think that it is too rich to demand both from > all products. > We will put the bias. Two alternatives without mandating either > make non-interoperable world. So, mandating one is very reasonable. > We think naturally that home Address be configured from Home Link > Prefix is basic method same as MIPv6. > We change the above-mentioned part as follows. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - HA (Home Agent) > - Router functions defined in "Test Specifications for the IPv6 Core > Protocols" MUST be supported. > - Mobile network prefix registration supporting all of explicit mode, > implicit mode, is a Basic Function (A1). > - Mobile network prefix registration supporting home address derived from > the Home Network Prefix is a Basic Function (A1). > - Mobile network prefix registration supporting home address derived from > the Mobile Network Prefix an Advanced Function (A2). > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > We want to hear your opinion. > Do you think it is unquestionable for this priority level in which > it is made to bias in Logo? > > > Relational part of RFC3963 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > 6.2. Mobile Network Prefix Registration > > (snip) > > - Mobile IPv6 specification [1] requires that the Home Address in > the Binding Update be configured from a prefix advertised on the > home link. Otherwise the Binding Update is rejected with status > value 132 [1]. This specification relaxes this requirement so > that the Home Agent rejects the Binding Update only if the Home > Address does not belong to the prefix that the Home Agent is > configured to serve. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Best regards > --- > Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI > > > > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 02 03:08:52 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUHup-0007FA-QL; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:08:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUHuo-0007F5-P3 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:08:38 -0400 Received: from mail125.messagelabs.com ([85.158.136.35]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUHuk-0007B9-84 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:08:38 -0400 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-125.messagelabs.com!1159772906!16062256!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [129.188.136.8] Received: (qmail 14452 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 07:08:26 -0000 Received: from motgate8.mot.com (HELO motgate8.mot.com) (129.188.136.8) by server-12.tower-125.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 07:08:26 -0000 Received: from il06exr02.mot.com (il06exr02.mot.com [129.188.137.132]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with ESMTP id k9278PIq018370; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:08:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.161.201.117] (zfr01-2117.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.117]) by il06exr02.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k9278O4v014702; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:08:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4520BAE7.7040504@motorola.com> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:08:23 +0200 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "K.Kawaguchi" Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo References: <200609201718.HAJ30652.JLUVBXHB@ysknet.co.jp> <200609281458.IIE26588.HUVJBBXL@ysknet.co.jp> <200610021515.GBC65639.BJLBUXVH@ysknet.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <200610021515.GBC65639.BJLBUXVH@ysknet.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a1852b4f554b02e7e4548cc7928acc1f Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org K.Kawaguchi wrote: > Hi all, > > We E-mails again for confirmation though there is no opinion. The > IPv6 Ready Logo NEMO will begin within one month if it is > unquestionable. > > NEMO allows to generates HoA either from home network prefix or > mobile network prefix. We treats the first configuration as a basic > function and the second one as the advanced function. Does anybody > comments on this? Hi Kiyoaki, It is difficult for me to make comments towards supporting or not supporting a certain logo. An IETF RFC is the expression of striving to interoperate. The purpose of the logo seems to be different. Technically speaking, the implementation with which I work uses a Home Address derived from the home link prefix, and thus I find your decision to support this as a basic configuration ok. Alex > > > Best regards --- Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI > > > > In message <200609281458.IIE26588.HUVJBBXL@ysknet.co.jp> "[nemo] > About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo" ""K.Kawaguchi" > " wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We will begin IPv6 Ready Logo of RFC3963 (NEMO basic support). This >> is a program of the confidence to the NEMO product based on >> RFC3963. We want to hear your opinion in regard to the test >> condition in this test specification. >> >> We have opened the preparation version of the test specification to >> the public. >> >> http://www.ipv6ready.org/announcement/public_review20060621_nemo.html >> >> >> >> The point that we want to hear the opinion is the following parts. >> >> http://cert.v6pc.jp/nemo/phase2/public_review/pdf/nemo_phase2policy-v1_0_b2.pdf >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> 3. Policy for Basic and Advanced Functions >> >> Here shows the view of satisfaction of the functions belonging to >> Basic Function (Priority A1) and Advanced Function (Priority A2) >> for Home Agent and Mobile Router. >> >> - HA (Home Agent) - Router functions defined in "Test >> Specifications for the IPv6 Core Protocols" MUST be supported. - >> Mobile network prefix registration supporting all of explicit mode, >> implicit mode, home address derived from the Mobile Network >> Prefix, and >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ home >> address derived from the Home Network Prefix is a Basic Function >> (A1). >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> * supplementation) keywords Basic Function (Priority A1) : It is >> defined as indispensable function. It is always to be tested in >> Logo. Advance Function (Priority A2): It is defined as enhanced >> feature. It is tested by selection in Logo. >> >> >> RFC3963 has not described which method is a 'MUST'. Therefore, we >> had equally treated both. However, the operation is possible by >> either one. And a lot of venders might implement only one of >> methods. Now, we think that it is too rich to demand both from all >> products. We will put the bias. Two alternatives without mandating >> either make non-interoperable world. So, mandating one is very >> reasonable. We think naturally that home Address be configured from >> Home Link Prefix is basic method same as MIPv6. We change the >> above-mentioned part as follows. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - HA (Home Agent) - Router functions defined in "Test >> Specifications for the IPv6 Core Protocols" MUST be supported. - >> Mobile network prefix registration supporting all of explicit mode, >> implicit mode, is a Basic Function (A1). - Mobile network prefix >> registration supporting home address derived from the Home Network >> Prefix is a Basic Function (A1). - Mobile network prefix >> registration supporting home address derived from the Mobile >> Network Prefix an Advanced Function (A2). >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> We want to hear your opinion. Do you think it is unquestionable for >> this priority level in which it is made to bias in Logo? >> >> >> Relational part of RFC3963 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> 6.2. Mobile Network Prefix Registration >> >> (snip) >> >> - Mobile IPv6 specification [1] requires that the Home Address in >> the Binding Update be configured from a prefix advertised on the >> home link. Otherwise the Binding Update is rejected with status >> value 132 [1]. This specification relaxes this requirement so that >> the Home Agent rejects the Binding Update only if the Home Address >> does not belong to the prefix that the Home Agent is configured to >> serve. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> Best regards --- Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI >> >> >> >> > > > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 02 03:09:00 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUHvA-0007Jf-5I; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:09:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUHv9-0007Ja-3A for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:08:59 -0400 Received: from smtp02.uc3m.es ([163.117.136.122]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUHv4-0007CC-H8 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:08:59 -0400 Received: from smtp02.uc3m.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A130A0A6E for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:08:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from acorde (acorde.it.uc3m.es [163.117.139.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp02.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE626A088A for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:08:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Bernardos Cano To: IETF NEMO WG Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-c4ekHm/Vz3uiMA2LxDjw" Organization: Universidad Carlos III de Madrid Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:08:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1159772918.5547.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 14582b0692e7f70ce7111d04db3781c8 Subject: [nemo] CfP WWIC 2007 X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org --=-c4ekHm/Vz3uiMA2LxDjw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Our apologies for duplicate postings. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- CALL FOR PAPERS WWIC 2007 5th International Conference on Wired / Wireless Internet Communications May 23-25 2007, Coimbra, Portugal http://wwic2007.dei.uc.pt =20 Next generation mobile networks will be based on Internet core networks and wireless access networks. 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Gratis para estudiantes http://www.telematica.ws Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano http://www.netcoms.net GPG FP: BFF1 7C7A 6AA7 BCE3 885A 4DF1 ED0C 5952 BF89 B974 --=-c4ekHm/Vz3uiMA2LxDjw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje =?ISO-8859-1?Q?est=E1?= firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFILr27QxZUr+JuXQRAqWNAKCyUoFwxsWwVAu4k32BHpBvCrMtTgCgmhqR bl0PVAc5hyM3SVknQQth1rA= =oucw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-c4ekHm/Vz3uiMA2LxDjw-- From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 02 05:41:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUKI4-0005fA-Ji; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 05:40:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUKI3-0005eF-GX for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 05:40:47 -0400 Received: from [2001:200:601:12:230:48ff:fe22:3a84] (helo=mandala.kddilabs.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUKI0-0002vO-TR for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 05:40:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C62EC841; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:40:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from neutrino.hsc.kddilabs.jp (neutrino.hsc.kddilabs.jp [2001:200:601:200::60]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0C7EC83E; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:40:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (watari-desktop.ddns.hsc.kddilabs.jp [172.19.72.153]) by neutrino.hsc.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144FB2E04A; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:35:31 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:39:30 +0900 From: Masafumi Watari To: marcelo bagnulo braun Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: RO for geographically dist'd HAs Organization: KDDI R&D Laboratories Inc. In-Reply-To: References: <20060929194841.6730.WATARI@kddilabs.jp> Message-Id: <20061002105909.285F.WATARI@kddilabs.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.25.02 [ja] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: b132cb3ed2d4be2017585bf6859e1ede Cc: ml-nemo WG , Vijay Devarapalli , Chan-Wah Ng X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi Marcelo, On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:31:16 +0200 marcelo bagnulo braun wrote: > > If we consider the solution as more like an enhancement to NEMO BS, > > then > > we would probably want to leave those MNNs untouched - RO would be to > > bypass those HAs and make it MR to MR (Vehicle to vehicle, plane to > > plane). > > > > two comments: > - first, i agree that MR to MR (or MNN and MNN of different nemos) RO > makes sense, but don't you think that RO between MNN and a fixed node > in the internet is also required? and what about MNN and a mobile Node > RO, does is this required? I would agree if RO is provided between MR and a CR of the CN, and not MR and CN - unless CN is a MIP6 CN. Global HAHA might be a candidate solution for this I guess. > -second, of course not having to modify the MNN is useful, specially in > terms of deployment. But these type of solutions have their own > drawbacks also (no solution has all the pros, i guess) so deciding that > we will keep the MNN unmodified fits some unstated requirements and > probably fits some unstated requirements. Again, this may be exactly > what we are looking for, but it is extremely hard imho to be able to > evaluate the different solutions and the different tradeoffs until the > exact requirements for the use case that we have in mind have been > written down. For instance, a solution that does requires modification > to the MNN but provides RO between the MNN and the fixed nodes of the > internet, without requiring modifications to the fixed nodes (which are > of course much more than the MNN) is better or worse than the a > solution that does not requires modification of the MNN but does not > provides RO with the fixed nodes? again it depends on the use cases > that you have in mind and the requirements of these use cases, i > guess... or do you have any other criteria to select among different > approaches? I see what you are trying to say and I think we documented such tradeoffs in the RO analysis draft while going through the various proposals. My point was that one policy we could follow is to leave those MNNs unmodified and work on those first. I also believe that such requirement is quite reasonable after seeing a few NEMO like services. A side note, that was one reason why Netlmm was chartered too, right? As I mentioned above, providing RO for fixed nodes is still possible by deploying CRs over the Internet. watari > > Now, if we start thinking about nesting of mobility protocols, > > obviously > > there would be a lot more thinking to do. My personal opinion however > > is that we should work on the nested case after we understand its > > needs. > > > > i am fine with this too > i have thought less in this case than in the previous one, so i am > probably underestiamting its difficulty. I am perfectly okey to work in > requirements and use cases or whatever it takes to understand this case > in more depth and include this work in the charter > > > Regards, marcelo > > > > Having said that, I tend to agree with Vijay. > > > >>> 2. route optimization > >>> for traffic between the two MNNs in the same mobile network. > >>> (global HAHA is separate). > >> > >> this otoh, seems to me a more defined problem and maybe it is easier > >> to > >> tackle, so we could go directly to it... > > > > I'm not sure about that - to me this involves a lot more complexity. > > But I do agree that these two are the cases we should look into. > > > > watari > > > >>> > >>> we document the problem and figured out what scenarios need > >>> solutions. > >>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-ro-problem- > >>> statement-03.txt > >>> there is also a document that does an excellent analysis > >>> of the solution space. > >>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-ro-space-analysis > >>> -03.txt > >>> > >>> personally I believe it is time to standardize solutions > >>> that at least address the two main scenarios identified > >>> above. at the same time, yes lets collect the requirements > >>> from the industry and see if the solution we are > >>> standardizing does meet those requirements. > >> > >> what if they don't? > >> > >>> hopefully the > >>> requirements gathering phase does not become a rat-hole. > >>> > >> > >> yes i am afraid of that too > >> > >> regards, marcelo > >> > >> > >>> Vijay > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 02 05:48:33 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUKPZ-0001yr-7g; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 05:48:33 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUKPY-0001xy-B9 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 05:48:32 -0400 Received: from yskfw1.ysknet.co.jp ([210.169.255.3] helo=ksns.ks.ysknet.co.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUKPU-0004Vr-Bw for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 05:48:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 8371 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 18:48:26 +0900 Received: from (HELO MIP6-236) (@) by with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 18:48:26 +0900 To: alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo From: "K.Kawaguchi" References: <200609201718.HAJ30652.JLUVBXHB@ysknet.co.jp> <200609281458.IIE26588.HUVJBBXL@ysknet.co.jp> <200610021515.GBC65639.BJLBUXVH@ysknet.co.jp> <4520BAE7.7040504@motorola.com> In-Reply-To: <4520BAE7.7040504@motorola.com> Message-Id: <200610021848.DHE35919.XVBUJHLB@ysknet.co.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.43 PL1] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:48:22 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ee80a2074afbfe28d15369f4e74e579d Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi Alex, Thank you for the answer. > It is difficult for me to make comments towards supporting or not > supporting a certain logo. An IETF RFC is the expression of striving to > interoperate. The purpose of the logo seems to be different. Yes. Logo also aims at Interoperability. However, there might be some differences though Logo followed RFC. Logo aims to be able to connect all equipment under the Logo. Only one common specification and procedure are necessary for it. But, there is a selective part in RFC. Therefore, the only one is selected from a selective part of RFC. And the only one is defined as the basic in Logo. > Technically speaking, the implementation with which I work uses a Home > Address derived from the home link prefix, and thus I find your decision > to support this as a basic configuration ok. Thank you for information. It is the basic that we defined. Best regards --- Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI "Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo" "Alexandru Petrescu " wrote: > K.Kawaguchi wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > We E-mails again for confirmation though there is no opinion. The > > IPv6 Ready Logo NEMO will begin within one month if it is > > unquestionable. > > > > NEMO allows to generates HoA either from home network prefix or > > mobile network prefix. We treats the first configuration as a basic > > function and the second one as the advanced function. Does anybody > > comments on this? > > Hi Kiyoaki, > > It is difficult for me to make comments towards supporting or not > supporting a certain logo. An IETF RFC is the expression of striving to > interoperate. The purpose of the logo seems to be different. > > Technically speaking, the implementation with which I work uses a Home > Address derived from the home link prefix, and thus I find your decision > to support this as a basic configuration ok. > > Alex > > > > > > > Best regards --- Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI > > > > > > > > In message <200609281458.IIE26588.HUVJBBXL@ysknet.co.jp> "[nemo] > > About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo" ""K.Kawaguchi" > > " wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> We will begin IPv6 Ready Logo of RFC3963 (NEMO basic support). This > >> is a program of the confidence to the NEMO product based on > >> RFC3963. We want to hear your opinion in regard to the test > >> condition in this test specification. > >> > >> We have opened the preparation version of the test specification to > >> the public. > >> > >> http://www.ipv6ready.org/announcement/public_review20060621_nemo.html > >> > >> > >> > >> The point that we want to hear the opinion is the following parts. > >> > >> http://cert.v6pc.jp/nemo/phase2/public_review/pdf/nemo_phase2policy-v1_0_b2.pdf > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> 3. Policy for Basic and Advanced Functions > >> > >> Here shows the view of satisfaction of the functions belonging to > >> Basic Function (Priority A1) and Advanced Function (Priority A2) > >> for Home Agent and Mobile Router. > >> > >> - HA (Home Agent) - Router functions defined in "Test > >> Specifications for the IPv6 Core Protocols" MUST be supported. - > >> Mobile network prefix registration supporting all of explicit mode, > >> implicit mode, home address derived from the Mobile Network > >> Prefix, and > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ home > >> address derived from the Home Network Prefix is a Basic Function > >> (A1). > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> * supplementation) keywords Basic Function (Priority A1) : It is > >> defined as indispensable function. It is always to be tested in > >> Logo. Advance Function (Priority A2): It is defined as enhanced > >> feature. It is tested by selection in Logo. > >> > >> > >> RFC3963 has not described which method is a 'MUST'. Therefore, we > >> had equally treated both. However, the operation is possible by > >> either one. And a lot of venders might implement only one of > >> methods. Now, we think that it is too rich to demand both from all > >> products. We will put the bias. Two alternatives without mandating > >> either make non-interoperable world. So, mandating one is very > >> reasonable. We think naturally that home Address be configured from > >> Home Link Prefix is basic method same as MIPv6. We change the > >> above-mentioned part as follows. > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> - HA (Home Agent) - Router functions defined in "Test > >> Specifications for the IPv6 Core Protocols" MUST be supported. - > >> Mobile network prefix registration supporting all of explicit mode, > >> implicit mode, is a Basic Function (A1). - Mobile network prefix > >> registration supporting home address derived from the Home Network > >> Prefix is a Basic Function (A1). - Mobile network prefix > >> registration supporting home address derived from the Mobile > >> Network Prefix an Advanced Function (A2). > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> We want to hear your opinion. Do you think it is unquestionable for > >> this priority level in which it is made to bias in Logo? > >> > >> > >> Relational part of RFC3963 > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> 6.2. Mobile Network Prefix Registration > >> > >> (snip) > >> > >> - Mobile IPv6 specification [1] requires that the Home Address in > >> the Binding Update be configured from a prefix advertised on the > >> home link. Otherwise the Binding Update is rejected with status > >> value 132 [1]. This specification relaxes this requirement so that > >> the Home Agent rejects the Binding Update only if the Home Address > >> does not belong to the prefix that the Home Agent is configured to > >> serve. > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Best regards --- Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 02 09:24:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUNlX-0006mR-CY; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:23:27 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUNlW-0006mM-Im for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:23:26 -0400 Received: from smtp01.uc3m.es ([163.117.136.121]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUNlU-00009e-PW for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:23:26 -0400 Received: from smtp01.uc3m.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908A0E305B; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:23:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [163.117.203.192] (unknown [163.117.203.192]) by smtp01.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC049E2FEA; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:23:15 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20061002105909.285F.WATARI@kddilabs.jp> References: <20060929194841.6730.WATARI@kddilabs.jp> <20061002105909.285F.WATARI@kddilabs.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7a2ce19040f771b1cbb9789c3d27db94@it.uc3m.es> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: marcelo bagnulo braun Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: RO for geographically dist'd HAs Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:23:14 +0200 To: Masafumi Watari X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2086112c730e13d5955355df27e3074b Cc: ml-nemo WG , Vijay Devarapalli , Chan-Wah Ng X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org El 02/10/2006, a las 11:39, Masafumi Watari escribi=F3: > I see what you are trying to say and I think we documented such > tradeoffs in the RO analysis draft while going through the various > proposals. yes, the question is which tradeoffs are the ones we choose > My point was that one policy we could follow is to leave > those MNNs unmodified and work on those first. yes, this is one possible approach, but why should we choose this =20 approach and not another one? My point is that when deciding this we are making some assumption about =20= the use cases. I would like to make this decision explicitly. > I also believe that such > requirement is quite reasonable after seeing a few NEMO like services. could you provide some examples? I mean, imho use cases (i.e. nemo like services used or to be used) =20 should be the main driver of which solutions we should standarize, > A side note, that was one reason why Netlmm was chartered too, right? > > As I mentioned above, providing RO for fixed nodes is still possible = by > deploying CRs over the Internet. i guess it is possible in several ways, but the first thing we need to =20= decide si what do we want to do this for... In other words, i am not worried about which approach we decide to =20 adopt but rather the criteria that we used for selecting it among the =20= multiple proposed solutions Regards, marcelo > > watari > >>> Now, if we start thinking about nesting of mobility protocols, >>> obviously >>> there would be a lot more thinking to do. My personal opinion =20 >>> however >>> is that we should work on the nested case after we understand its >>> needs. >>> >> >> i am fine with this too >> i have thought less in this case than in the previous one, so i am >> probably underestiamting its difficulty. I am perfectly okey to work =20= >> in >> requirements and use cases or whatever it takes to understand this =20= >> case >> in more depth and include this work in the charter >> >> >> Regards, marcelo >> >> >>> Having said that, I tend to agree with Vijay. >>> >>>>> 2. route optimization >>>>> for traffic between the two MNNs in the same mobile network. >>>>> (global HAHA is separate). >>>> >>>> this otoh, seems to me a more defined problem and maybe it is = easier >>>> to >>>> tackle, so we could go directly to it... >>> >>> I'm not sure about that - to me this involves a lot more = complexity. >>> But I do agree that these two are the cases we should look into. >>> >>> watari >>> >>>>> >>>>> we document the problem and figured out what scenarios need >>>>> solutions. >>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-ro-problem- >>>>> statement-03.txt >>>>> there is also a document that does an excellent analysis >>>>> of the solution space. >>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-ro-space-=20 >>>>> analysis >>>>> -03.txt >>>>> >>>>> personally I believe it is time to standardize solutions >>>>> that at least address the two main scenarios identified >>>>> above. at the same time, yes lets collect the requirements >>>>> from the industry and see if the solution we are >>>>> standardizing does meet those requirements. >>>> >>>> what if they don't? >>>> >>>>> hopefully the >>>>> requirements gathering phase does not become a rat-hole. >>>>> >>>> >>>> yes i am afraid of that too >>>> >>>> regards, marcelo >>>> >>>> >>>>> Vijay >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 02 13:03:12 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GURBr-00011j-70; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:02:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GURBp-0000xR-RN for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:02:49 -0400 Received: from web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.87.13]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GURBo-0001ms-E9 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:02:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 63136 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2006 17:02:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v96OYS3pddh4DhP0KNBePLhexZJghnbynp7K1/vV7VDB0dHCoYI42fi37rNHJQwmR3IPyyh52Tj0OkLr7mXo3v6BNr7ivXjtRhsiyfQwkp+vnBy2ynAVPPzgc3wUeliXcCJPOr4x9S4FtcOfhlh8giY+TAq1G70wu4Rs6NtXNe8= ; Message-ID: <20061002170247.63134.qmail@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.131.12.192] by web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:02:47 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:02:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Woodhouse Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo To: "K.Kawaguchi" , alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com In-Reply-To: <200610021848.DHE35919.XVBUJHLB@ysknet.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org It isn't hard to see two (or more) "sides" of the issue. On the one hand, IPv6 should be universally adopted, and providing a logo for people to use, seems to imply that adoption of IPv6 is something special, and not the norm. Still, it provides a small incentive to vendors, open source team, and so forth to incorporate IPv6 functionality in their products. I can't help but wonder if the snail on the cover of the O'Reilly book on IPv6 isn't there as a kind of commentary on the rate of IPv6 adoption! Then again, are applications really the big issue? I know OS X, at leasst supports IPv6, and I'd expect that other major operating systemsx would do the same. What I don't know is whether "consumer" ISPs even route IPv6 (though I don't expect this to be an issue on enterprise networks), and I wonder hos many web sites and other serices even advertise IPv6 addreses. I don't recall ever happening upon an A4 or AAAA record in dig or nslookup. That stikes me as odd because the cost of advertising IPv6 addresses certainly seems small (assuming the network supports them, of course). === Gregory Woodhouse "Mathematics is the science of patterns." --Lynn Arthur Steen, 1988 From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 02 22:13:30 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUZmF-0004Ea-On; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:12:59 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUZmF-0004EU-2n for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:12:59 -0400 Received: from [2001:200:601:12:230:48ff:fe22:3a84] (helo=mandala.kddilabs.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUZmD-0006mF-V8 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:12:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F00EC8FA; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:12:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from neutrino.hsc.kddilabs.jp (neutrino.hsc.kddilabs.jp [2001:200:601:200::60]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A70EEC8CC; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:12:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (watari-desktop.ddns.hsc.kddilabs.jp [172.19.72.153]) by neutrino.hsc.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341952E04A; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:07:32 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:11:32 +0900 From: Masafumi Watari To: marcelo bagnulo braun Subject: Re: [nemo] Re: RO for geographically dist'd HAs Organization: KDDI R&D Laboratories Inc. In-Reply-To: <7a2ce19040f771b1cbb9789c3d27db94@it.uc3m.es> References: <20061002105909.285F.WATARI@kddilabs.jp> <7a2ce19040f771b1cbb9789c3d27db94@it.uc3m.es> Message-Id: <20061003103341.5C4E.WATARI@kddilabs.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.25.02 [ja] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 93e7fb8fef2e780414389440f367c879 Cc: ml-nemo WG , Vijay Devarapalli , Chan-Wah Ng X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:23:14 +0200 marcelo bagnulo braun wrote: > > El 02/10/2006, a las 11:39, Masafumi Watari escribi > > I see what you are trying to say and I think we documented such > > tradeoffs in the RO analysis draft while going through the various > > proposals. > > yes, the question is which tradeoffs are the ones we choose > > > My point was that one policy we could follow is to leave > > those MNNs unmodified and work on those first. > > yes, this is one possible approach, but why should we choose this > approach and not another one? As I said, by considering the solution as an enhancement to NEMO BS. BTW, I'm not saying that we should work only on this and not others. > My point is that when deciding this we are making some assumption about > the use cases. I would like to make this decision explicitly. > > > I also believe that such > > requirement is quite reasonable after seeing a few NEMO like services. > > could you provide some examples? > I mean, imho use cases (i.e. nemo like services used or to be used) > should be the main driver of which solutions we should standarize, Well, Connexion by Boeing for example. There is also a commercial service that already provide Internet connectivity to passengers inside trains running in Japan - the only thing they request is a laptop with a WIFI device. Others, some ITS organizations have expressed that the nodes inside vehicles be kept untouched - in other words, we should not expect them to be mobility aware. This is again, why NEMO BS had such requirement. > > A side note, that was one reason why Netlmm was chartered too, right? > > > > As I mentioned above, providing RO for fixed nodes is still possible by > > deploying CRs over the Internet. > > i guess it is possible in several ways, but the first thing we need to > decide si what do we want to do this for... > > In other words, i am not worried about which approach we decide to > adopt but rather the criteria that we used for selecting it among the > multiple proposed solutions But selecting an approach/scenario does limit the solutions. Having a full set of criteria/requirements beforehand is what the WG has been trying to gather, but seems hard afterwards. watari > Regards, marcelo > > > > > watari > > > >>> Now, if we start thinking about nesting of mobility protocols, > >>> obviously > >>> there would be a lot more thinking to do. My personal opinion > >>> however > >>> is that we should work on the nested case after we understand its > >>> needs. > >>> > >> > >> i am fine with this too > >> i have thought less in this case than in the previous one, so i am > >> probably underestiamting its difficulty. I am perfectly okey to work > >> in > >> requirements and use cases or whatever it takes to understand this > >> case > >> in more depth and include this work in the charter > >> > >> > >> Regards, marcelo > >> > >> > >>> Having said that, I tend to agree with Vijay. > >>> > >>>>> 2. route optimization > >>>>> for traffic between the two MNNs in the same mobile network. > >>>>> (global HAHA is separate). > >>>> > >>>> this otoh, seems to me a more defined problem and maybe it is easier > >>>> to > >>>> tackle, so we could go directly to it... > >>> > >>> I'm not sure about that - to me this involves a lot more complexity. > >>> But I do agree that these two are the cases we should look into. > >>> > >>> watari > >>> > >>>>> > >>>>> we document the problem and figured out what scenarios need > >>>>> solutions. > >>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-ro-problem- > >>>>> statement-03.txt > >>>>> there is also a document that does an excellent analysis > >>>>> of the solution space. > >>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-ro-space- > >>>>> analysis > >>>>> -03.txt > >>>>> > >>>>> personally I believe it is time to standardize solutions > >>>>> that at least address the two main scenarios identified > >>>>> above. at the same time, yes lets collect the requirements > >>>>> from the industry and see if the solution we are > >>>>> standardizing does meet those requirements. > >>>> > >>>> what if they don't? > >>>> > >>>>> hopefully the > >>>>> requirements gathering phase does not become a rat-hole. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> yes i am afraid of that too > >>>> > >>>> regards, marcelo > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Vijay > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 03 04:36:22 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUfkY-0003h8-EI; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:35:38 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUfkX-0003h3-Bo for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:35:37 -0400 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUfkS-0008Cq-V4 for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:35:37 -0400 Received: from dhcp-rocq-97.inria.fr (dhcp-rocq-97.inria.fr [128.93.62.97]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k938Z5Df022103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:35:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:35:17 +0200 From: Thierry Ernst To: nemo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo Message-Id: <20061003103517.7611090e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: <20061002170247.63134.qmail@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200610021848.DHE35919.XVBUJHLB@ysknet.co.jp> <20061002170247.63134.qmail@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; powerpc-apple-darwin7.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 452220B9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab Cc: alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, There are a bulk of ISPs and vendors supporting IPv6 services, and all major OS do have an IPv6 stack. This is not the issue of this discussion. Regarding the adoption of the NEMO logo, I would favor 2 slides on this to show at the next IETF if Kawaguchi-san attend it. We could then reach a reasonable conclusion there. So far, it's not clear to me if a NEMO-compliant implementation should allow the configuration of the MR's HoA either from home network prefix or the mobile network prefix. Whether it happens on the ML or at the NEMO session in San Diego,, it would be nice to obtain more feedback from those who have implemented RFC 3963 and those who are considering selling products based on it. Thierry On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Greg Woodhouse wrote: > It isn't hard to see two (or more) "sides" of the issue. On the one > hand, IPv6 should be universally adopted, and providing a logo for > people to use, seems to imply that adoption of IPv6 is something > special, and not the norm. Still, it provides a small incentive to > vendors, open source team, and so forth to incorporate IPv6 > functionality in their products. I can't help but wonder if the snail > on the cover of the O'Reilly book on IPv6 isn't there as a kind of > commentary on the rate of IPv6 adoption! > > Then again, are applications really the big issue? I know OS X, at > leasst supports IPv6, and I'd expect that other major operating > systemsx would do the same. What I don't know is whether "consumer" > ISPs even route IPv6 (though I don't expect this to be an issue on > enterprise networks), and I wonder hos many web sites and other serices > even advertise IPv6 addreses. I don't recall ever happening upon an A4 > or AAAA record in dig or nslookup. That stikes me as odd because the > cost of advertising IPv6 addresses certainly seems small (assuming the > network supports them, of course). > > === > Gregory Woodhouse > > "Mathematics is the science of patterns." > --Lynn Arthur Steen, 1988 > -- Thierry ERNST, PhD http://www.nautilus6.org/~thierry IETF NEMO WG Chair, IETF MonAmi6 Chair, Nautilus6 Chair -- INRIA Rocquencourt Project-Team IMARA, France. +33 1 39 63 59 30 (office) From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 03 14:35:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUp6f-0006Mh-Ja; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:35:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUp6d-0006Mc-QI for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:35:03 -0400 Received: from mail128.messagelabs.com ([216.82.250.131]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUp6a-0001m4-Cl for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:35:03 -0400 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-128.messagelabs.com!1159900498!1774293!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [129.188.136.9] Received: (qmail 8676 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2006 18:34:59 -0000 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (HELO ftpbox.mot.com) (129.188.136.9) by server-11.tower-128.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2006 18:34:59 -0000 Received: from az33exr04.mot.com (az33exr04.mot.com [10.64.251.234]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with ESMTP id k93IYr9R004397; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:34:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [144.189.74.253] ([144.189.74.253]) by az33exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k93IYnwe002851; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:34:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4522AD48.3030400@motorola.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:34:48 +0200 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Ernst Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo References: <200610021848.DHE35919.XVBUJHLB@ysknet.co.jp> <20061002170247.63134.qmail@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20061003103517.7611090e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: <20061003103517.7611090e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 386e0819b1192672467565a524848168 Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Thierry Ernst wrote: > Dear all, > > > There are a bulk of ISPs and vendors supporting IPv6 services, and > all major OS do have an IPv6 stack. This is not the issue of this > discussion. > > Regarding the adoption of the NEMO logo, I would favor 2 slides on > this to show at the next IETF if Kawaguchi-san attend it. We could > then reach a reasonable conclusion there. Discussing ok, reaching a conclusion is probably impossible. The logo issue has indeed at least two facets. Many IPv6 implementers currently turn to "logo" type of claims in order to boast features understandable by higher level speakers - TAHI comes to mind: how many times I've seen IPv6 implementation projects targetting TAHI compliance; it's a good motivator for implementers. However, a logo is usually neglected in the IETF talk, in that RFCs are often just that, _trying_ to interoperate. A WiFi logoed equipment is supposed to give me compliance insurance about two manufacturer's products. But in practice it sometimes fails: I came across two WiFi logoed equipments failing to interoperate in the detail, or too inefficient. We don't want that to happen with NEMOv6. A logo vision gives insurance to buyers about interoperability. But it often turns into monetary interests to get "labelized" - you pay enough you get the label, neglecting technical intricacies. Check ISO 9001 and successors, guaranteeing the "quality" of a product or process; "quality" is one of those undescribable matters but easily recognizable by the skilled - thus why need of ISO 9001. > So far, it's not clear to me if a NEMO-compliant implementation > should allow the configuration of the MR's HoA either from home > network prefix or the mobile network prefix. What's "NEMO-compliant". I'm happy and not happy with rfc3963 suggesting HoA both from MNP and from home link. The need for HoA-from-MNP was strongly suggested by someone implementing it, so it works. Just like explicit-vs-implicit modes. The logo in question suggests that HoA-from-MNP is but an extension and HoA-from-home-link is the basis. I'm happy with that too. > Whether it happens on the ML or at the NEMO session in San Diego,, it > would be nice to obtain more feedback from those who have > implemented RFC 3963 and those who are considering selling products > based on it. Yes. > On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Greg Woodhouse > wrote: > >> It isn't hard to see two (or more) "sides" of the issue. On the one >> hand, IPv6 should be universally adopted, and providing a logo for >> people to use, seems to imply that adoption of IPv6 is something >> special, and not the norm. Still, it provides a small incentive to >> vendors, open source team, and so forth to incorporate IPv6 >> functionality in their products. I can't help but wonder if the >> snail on the cover of the O'Reilly book on IPv6 isn't there as a >> kind of commentary on the rate of IPv6 adoption! >> >> Then again, are applications really the big issue? I know OS X, at >> leasst supports IPv6, and I'd expect that other major operating >> systemsx would do the same. YEs. MS Vista (or the latest CE is that?) claims built-in MIP6 as well. >> What I don't know is whether "consumer" ISPs even route IPv6 >> (though I don't expect this to be an issue on enterprise networks), >> >> Some do. IIRC BT and KDDI are two examples. >> and I wonder hos many web sites and other serices even advertise >> IPv6 addreses. I don't recall ever happening upon an A4 or AAAA >> record in dig or nslookup. That stikes me as odd because the cost >> of advertising IPv6 addresses certainly seems small (assuming the >> network supports them, of course). Striking indeed. Google has reserved IPv6 address space, the Vatican as well. Some ietf.org servers are IPv6 online. Let's see. Alex From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 03 22:39:05 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUweT-0003Yq-Fw; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:38:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUweR-0003Yd-PN; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:38:27 -0400 Received: from ndjsvws04.ndc.nasa.gov ([198.120.25.84]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUweO-0008Tg-2i; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:38:27 -0400 Received: from ndjsxgw01.ndc.nasa.gov ([129.166.32.111]) by ndjsvws04.ndc.nasa.gov with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:38:19 -0500 Received: from NDJSEVS15.ndc.nasa.gov ([129.166.32.122]) by ndjsxgw01.ndc.nasa.gov with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:38:19 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:38:11 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mobile Platform Problem Statement and Aviation Requirements Drafts Thread-Index: AcbnXiI5iTcphtYhT/yJYBjCq8Ge+Q== From: "Ivancic, William D. \(GRC-RCN0\)" To: "ml-nemo WG" , "Monami6 WG" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2006 02:38:19.0024 (UTC) FILETIME=[26C84900:01C6E75E] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Cc: Subject: [nemo] Mobile Platform Problem Statement and Aviation Requirements Drafts X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Here are the links of the drafts Terry Davis referred to regarding Aviation industry concerns. Problems are relevant to NEMO, MONAMI6 and perhaps NETLMM and others. We suspect that other groups besides just the aviation industry are finding similar problems and may benefit from some standardized solutions. Note, one MAJOR concern for aviation commanding is safety of flight and safety of life. So time-critical reliable commanding is something aviation has to address with the exception of the in-flight entertainment systems. =20 Will Ivancic =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Multi-Domained, Multi-Homed Mobile Networks =20 draft-ivancic-mobile-platforms-problem-00.txt=20 Abstract=20 This document describes numerous problems associated with deployment=20 of multi-homed mobile platforms consisting of multiple networks and=20 traversing large geographical areas. The purpose of this document is to provide insight to real-world deployment issues and provide=20 information to working groups that are addressing many issues related to multi-homing, policy-base routing, route optimization and mobile=20 security. =20 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ivancic-mobile-platforms-probl em-00.txt Aviation Global Internet Operations Requirements draft-davis-aviationreq-00.txt Abstract The commercial aviation industry is among the first to develop and deploy mobile networks capable of utilizing Internet communications services around the world. In development of this capability the industry developed their own standards for the use of IP based communications within the aircraft and on the direct connected off- board links. This document defines aviation's desired Internet usages and capabilities and the gaps the industry sees in basic Internet technology required for the full utilization of the Internet by mobile platforms. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-davis-aviationreq-00.txt From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 04 04:11:23 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GV1pv-0002aU-Vz; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 04:10:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GV1pv-0002Zr-KL for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 04:10:39 -0400 Received: from yskfw1.ysknet.co.jp ([210.169.255.3] helo=ksns.ks.ysknet.co.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GV1ps-0006i7-SK for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 04:10:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 3579 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 17:10:33 +0900 Received: from (HELO MIP6-236) (@) by with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 17:10:33 +0900 To: nemo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo From: "K.Kawaguchi" References: <200610021848.DHE35919.XVBUJHLB@ysknet.co.jp> <20061002170247.63134.qmail@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20061003103517.7611090e.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> <4522AD48.3030400@motorola.com> In-Reply-To: <4522AD48.3030400@motorola.com> Message-Id: <200610041710.IAD78632.VBBLJHXU@ysknet.co.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.43 PL1] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:10:32 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 67c1ea29f88502ef6a32ccec927970f0 Cc: thierry.ernst@inria.fr, alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Thank you for comments and answers. Logo is not intending one for a special system and the vender. We want only to clarify one of the standard specification. In our Logo activity, Logo is not a purpose. We think the means that Logo accelerates deployment of a universal standards in support of IETF. We think that it is preferable to examine a standard specification with IETF (on this ML and meeting) and to clarify it with RFC. The test specification of Logo will follow it. To our regret, I cannot participate in next IETF. However, other members have the possibility of participating. Best regards --- Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI "Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo" "Alexandru Petrescu " wrote: > Thierry Ernst wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > > > There are a bulk of ISPs and vendors supporting IPv6 services, and > > all major OS do have an IPv6 stack. This is not the issue of this > > discussion. > > > > Regarding the adoption of the NEMO logo, I would favor 2 slides on > > this to show at the next IETF if Kawaguchi-san attend it. We could > > then reach a reasonable conclusion there. > > Discussing ok, reaching a conclusion is probably impossible. The logo > issue has indeed at least two facets. Many IPv6 implementers currently > turn to "logo" type of claims in order to boast features understandable > by higher level speakers - TAHI comes to mind: how many times I've seen > IPv6 implementation projects targetting TAHI compliance; it's a good > motivator for implementers. However, a logo is usually neglected in the > IETF talk, in that RFCs are often just that, _trying_ to interoperate. > > A WiFi logoed equipment is supposed to give me compliance insurance > about two manufacturer's products. But in practice it sometimes fails: > I came across two WiFi logoed equipments failing to interoperate > in the detail, or too inefficient. We don't want that to happen > with NEMOv6. > > A logo vision gives insurance to buyers about interoperability. But it > often turns into monetary interests to get "labelized" - you pay > enough you get the label, neglecting technical intricacies. Check ISO > 9001 and successors, guaranteeing the "quality" of a product or process; > "quality" is one of those undescribable matters but easily recognizable > by the skilled - thus why need of ISO 9001. > > > So far, it's not clear to me if a NEMO-compliant implementation > > should allow the configuration of the MR's HoA either from home > > network prefix or the mobile network prefix. > > What's "NEMO-compliant". I'm happy and not happy with rfc3963 > suggesting HoA both from MNP and from home link. The need for > HoA-from-MNP was strongly suggested by someone implementing it, so it > works. Just like explicit-vs-implicit modes. > > The logo in question suggests that HoA-from-MNP is but an extension and > HoA-from-home-link is the basis. I'm happy with that too. > > > Whether it happens on the ML or at the NEMO session in San Diego,, it > > would be nice to obtain more feedback from those who have > > implemented RFC 3963 and those who are considering selling products > > based on it. > > Yes. > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Greg Woodhouse > > wrote: > > > >> It isn't hard to see two (or more) "sides" of the issue. On the one > >> hand, IPv6 should be universally adopted, and providing a logo for > >> people to use, seems to imply that adoption of IPv6 is something > >> special, and not the norm. Still, it provides a small incentive to > >> vendors, open source team, and so forth to incorporate IPv6 > >> functionality in their products. I can't help but wonder if the > >> snail on the cover of the O'Reilly book on IPv6 isn't there as a > >> kind of commentary on the rate of IPv6 adoption! > >> > >> Then again, are applications really the big issue? I know OS X, at > >> leasst supports IPv6, and I'd expect that other major operating > >> systemsx would do the same. > > YEs. MS Vista (or the latest CE is that?) claims built-in MIP6 as well. > > >> What I don't know is whether "consumer" ISPs even route IPv6 > >> (though I don't expect this to be an issue on enterprise networks), > >> > >> > Some do. IIRC BT and KDDI are two examples. > > >> and I wonder hos many web sites and other serices even advertise > >> IPv6 addreses. I don't recall ever happening upon an A4 or AAAA > >> record in dig or nslookup. That stikes me as odd because the cost > >> of advertising IPv6 addresses certainly seems small (assuming the > >> network supports them, of course). > > Striking indeed. > > Google has reserved IPv6 address space, the Vatican as well. > > Some ietf.org servers are IPv6 online. > > Let's see. > > Alex > > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 06 05:34:11 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVm5E-0004yX-Hs; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:33:32 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVm5D-0004y2-4B for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:33:31 -0400 Received: from discorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.38]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVm57-0001bR-GR for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:33:31 -0400 Received: from dhcp-rocq-97.inria.fr (dhcp-rocq-97.inria.fr [128.93.62.97]) by discorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k969XK2A031799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:33:20 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:33:34 +0200 From: Thierry Ernst To: ml-nemo Message-Id: <20061006113334.06a1bcd7.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; powerpc-apple-darwin7.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart=_Fri__6_Oct_2006_11_33_34_+0200_ashuYYo.7eCM76Pe" X-Miltered: at discorde with ID 452622E0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32029c790f79bd4a84a26bd2915c54b9 Subject: [nemo] Fw: [Mip6] Issue 66: Setting up forwarding for IPv4 HoA X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Multipart=_Fri__6_Oct_2006_11_33_34_+0200_ashuYYo.7eCM76Pe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by discorde.inria.fr id k969XK2A031799 This is for your information. The discussion has been launched on the MIP6 ML, so you would better comment on the MIP6 ML if you have any. Thierry Begin forwarded message: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:42:57 +0200 From: "GRIMAULT Jean-Luc RD-CORE-CAE" To: Subject: [Mip6] Issue 66: Setting up forwarding for IPv4 HoA Hello, =20 In DSMIPv6, I wonder if the requirement "the home agent MUST create two s= eparate binding cache entries, one for each home address" (IPv6 home addr= ess and IPv4 home address) might not be misleading because of mobile Netw= ork prefixes.=20 Logically in the HA's Binding cache, mobile network prefixes are bound to= the IPv6 home address. The (IPv6 or IPv4) Care of address is also bound = to the IPv6 home address.=20 =20 If it occurs that the Mobile Router has also an IPv4 home address (for it= s own IPv4 applications), the requirement for two separate binding cache = entries, one for each home address, may imply that all (IPv6 and IPv4) mo= bile network prefixes need to be bound in the HA's binding cache to the I= Pv6 home address entry *and* also to the IPv4 home address entry.=20 Firstly it may not be adequate because it implies data duplication in th= e binding cache (especially when the MR serves many mobile network prefix= es). Secondly, there is a doubt on what entry is used to forward the pack= ets towards a mobile node served by the MR. =20 =20 More generally that may raise questions relative to the relationship betw= een the IPv4 home address and the mobile network prefixes.=20 For example, if the HA receives a BU with the IPv6 home address, the IPv4= home address, and mobile network prefixes included in the BU message (ex= plicit mode in NEMO) and later the HA receives a new BU with the IPv6 hom= e address and mobile network prefixes but without the IPv4 home address, = the consequence on the IPv4 home address cache entry might be unclear.=20 Another example is the position of the IPv4 home address with regard to t= he prefix table quoted in =A7 6.1.2 of NEMO Basic support; this may be un= clear because =A7 6.1.2 quotes only "Home Address" and not "IPv6 Home Add= ress" or "IPv4 Home Address". Another example is in =A7 6.2 NEMO BS : "If= the Lifetime specified in the Binding Update is 0 or the specified Care-= of Address matches the Home Address in the Binding Update .." ; in this c= ase which Home Address; IPv4 or IPv6 ? =20 To solve these issues, is it not conceivable to state in the text of DSMI= Pv6 that, in case of a Mobile Router, the mobile network prefixes (IPv6 a= nd IPv4) are bound uniquely to the IPv6 home address entry in the binding= cache and that they are independent of the IPv4 home address? =20 Jean-Luc =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Mip6] Issue 66: Setting up forwarding for IPv4 HoA Issue text: ----------- =20 we shouldnt have specific language about creating a binding cache entry for the IPv4 HoA. The language should suggest setting up forwarding for the traffic meant for the IPv4 HoA over the mip6trans tunnel. =20 Pascal responded: =20 Do you mean a second BCE? I thought that the idea was to have a single BCE, indexed by the IPv6 HoA, and then allow to register various things against that BCE, including addresses and prefixes from both AFs, and maybe later DNS names and more... =20 Vijay responded: =20 Vijay: the current drafts suggests a BCE for the IPv4 HoA in addition to BCE for the IPv6 HoA. =20 =20 >I thought that the idea was to have a single >BCE, indexed by the IPv6 HoA, and then allow to register various things >against that BCE, including addresses and prefixes from both AFs, and >maybe later DNS names and more... =20 Vijay: I agree. but thats no what is there in version 00. it explicity talks about a BCE for the IPv4 HoA. =20 Analysis: --------- =20 Several IETF specifications describe conceptual data as part of documenting a protocol. This is typically done for additional clarification. Examples of such specifications include IPsec, ND, and MIP (v4 and v6). MIPv6 described the binding cache as a mechanism for storing bindings. However, this does not in anyway force implementers to implement MIPv6 exactly as described in the document, as long as the external behaviour is consistent with the specification. Since this specification is an extension to MIPv6, it is appropriate to describe the conceptual data structure in a manner consistent with RFC 3775.=20 =20 RFC 3775 maintains that there is a separate Binding Cache entry for each home address. As we are extending MIPv6 to support another address family (IPv4), we still maintain the same philosophy of one binding cache entry per home address, regardless of the type of HoA.=20 Similar to MIPv6, this does not require implementers to do it exactly in this manner, hence the term "conceptual data structure". One may choose to implement the v4 entry in the routing table for instance (the same can be said for the v6 entry). But in all cases, the entries will need to be maintained (refreshed/deleted ...etc) as per the BU.=20 =20 Conclusion: ----------- =20 Keeping with the conceptual data structures in MIPv6 makes the spec clear and does not limit implementers. There is no harm or bugs introduced by the current text. Therefore the issue should be rejected.=20 =20 Comments? =20 Hesham=20 =20 --=20 Thierry ERNST, PhD http://www.nautilus6.org/~thierry IETF NEMO WG Chair, IETF MonAmi6 Chair, Nautilus6 Chair -- INRIA Rocquencourt Project-Team IMARA, France. +33 1 39 63 59 30 (office) --Multipart=_Fri__6_Oct_2006_11_33_34_+0200_ashuYYo.7eCM76Pe Content-Type: text/plain; name="00000026.mimetmp" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="00000026.mimetmp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ Mip6 mailing list Mip6@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mip6 --Multipart=_Fri__6_Oct_2006_11_33_34_+0200_ashuYYo.7eCM76Pe-- From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 09 17:17:44 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GX2Ug-0002ZV-C1; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:17:02 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GX2Ue-0002ZK-Kn for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:17:00 -0400 Received: from dsl092-223-006.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([66.92.223.6] helo=moe.corp.azairenet.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GX2Ud-0000mR-BL for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:17:00 -0400 Received: from [10.1.201.0] ([66.92.223.6]) by moe.corp.azairenet.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:14:30 -0700 Message-ID: <452ABB53.3020104@azairenet.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:12:51 -0700 From: Vijay Devarapalli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "K.Kawaguchi" Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo References: <200609201718.HAJ30652.JLUVBXHB@ysknet.co.jp> <200609281458.IIE26588.HUVJBBXL@ysknet.co.jp> <200610021515.GBC65639.BJLBUXVH@ysknet.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <200610021515.GBC65639.BJLBUXVH@ysknet.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2006 21:14:30.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8DF2A30:01C6EBE7] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org K.Kawaguchi wrote: >> - HA (Home Agent) >> - Router functions defined in "Test Specifications for the IPv6 Core >> Protocols" MUST be supported. >> - Mobile network prefix registration supporting all of explicit mode, >> implicit mode, home address derived from the Mobile Network Prefix, and >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> home address derived from the Home Network Prefix is a Basic Function (A1). >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> * supplementation) keywords >> Basic Function (Priority A1) : It is defined as indispensable function. >> It is always to be tested in Logo. >> Advance Function (Priority A2): It is defined as enhanced feature. >> It is tested by selection in Logo. >> >> >> RFC3963 has not described which method is a 'MUST'. Therefore, >> we had equally treated both. However, the operation is possible >> by either one. And a lot of venders might implement only one >> of methods. Now, we think that it is too rich to demand both from >> all products. >> We will put the bias. Two alternatives without mandating either >> make non-interoperable world. So, mandating one is very reasonable. >> We think naturally that home Address be configured from Home Link >> Prefix is basic method same as MIPv6. sounds good to me. Vijay From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 12 06:58:54 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXyGZ-0006k9-Uf; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:58:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXyGY-0006k3-L2 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:58:18 -0400 Received: from smtp.mei.co.jp ([133.183.129.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXyGV-0007VS-VW for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:58:18 -0400 Received: from mail-gw.jp.panasonic.com (dodgers.mei.co.jp [157.8.1.150]) by smtp.mei.co.jp (8.12.11.20060614/3.7W/jazz) with ESMTP id k9CAw2ws003314 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:58:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail-gw.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/somlx2) with ESMTP id k9CAw4520023 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:58:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from pslexc01.psl.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/dodgers) with ESMTP id k9CAw4t28916 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:58:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from bach.sg.panasonic.com ([10.81.113.99]) by pslexc01.psl.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:56:59 +0800 Received: by bach.sg.panasonic.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0849AD437C; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:07:20 +0800 (SGT) From: Chan-Wah Ng To: IETF NEMO WG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:07:20 +0800 Message-Id: <1160651240.16376.9.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2006 10:56:59.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[23F86030:01C6EDED] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf3becbbd6d1a45acbe2ffd4ab88bdc2 Subject: [nemo] On NEMO Re-Chartering w.r.t. RO -- summary so far X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hello all, Seems like all discussions on RO-related re-chartering of NEMO WG has subsided, so perhaps it is time for a test of consensus? Based on my understanding of the posts within the ML, the consensus seems to be: - A work item needs to be added to the charter to document industry requirements and use cases A somewhat "rougher" consensus seems to be: - A work item explicitly identifying the Global HA HA protocol should not be in the charter - Instead, route optimization solutions should be added. Now, what kind of route optimization solutions should be added does not seems to be too clear based on my reading of the ML. TJ's draft charter already contains 2 items: - Communication between nodes located in separate mobile networks, - and communication between a mobile network node and a visited network node / service should be addressed. And Thierry, Watari independently suggested that: - MR to MR communication not going through a MR-HA tunnel I myself have proposed to look at, instead of Global-HAHA, - An infrastructure-based RO solution There have also been call for adding route optimization solutions based on the requirements from the requirements draft, but to avoid a rechartering in Mar2007 again, this should be explicitly placed in the WG charter. So far, I don't see any objections to this. The only contention point is what type of route optimizations. That's pretty much what I can summarize from I can read in recent ML activities. On a related note, I would also like to point the WG to some discussions on the same ML 1 year ago, in which I suggested possible next steps to route optimizations (I'd even prepared some slides for that in 64th IETF, but was dropped due to time constraint). See attached post below. /rgds /cwng -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Chan-Wah NG To: T.J. Kniveton Cc: ml-nemo WG Subject: Re: [nemo] Next steps in RO Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:36:43 +0800 Hello all, My personal views are that the following 3 main pieces are needed: (1) A mechanism for MNNs to send packet from where the NEMO is attached. This mechanism would allow MNNs, however deeply they are nested, to appear to a node outside the NEMO as if they are a simple mobile node. attached to the point of attachment of the root-MR. This mechanism would allow a solution to the nested mobile HA problem, and the security policy prohibiting visitor traffic problem. Not only that, it also allows VMN to operate MIPv6 RO without being subjected to NEMO-BS tunnel. (2) A mechanism for MRs to offer route optimization to LFNs. This is less important, but it's a mean to complete the entire RO process. The mechanism above in (1) will allowed modified nodes (i.e. VMN) to achieve RO in a way compatible to the more "legacy" MIPv6 RO. This mechanism, OTOH, will allow RO to be achieved for unmodified LFNs. (3) A correspondent router solution. The deployment of such an entity would allow two benefits: (1) perform RO for non-modified CNs, and (2) the discovery of MR by other mobile nodes, if this MR is treated as a CR. Some of the above may require future research, and may encompass a lot of smaller but significant issues to be solved. One can in fact have the NEMO WG re-chartered to work on only 1 or 2 of the above, and have the rest moved to IRTF for further research. /rgds /cwng From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 12 09:49:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY0vj-00051e-88; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:48:59 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY0vh-00051U-Rq for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:48:57 -0400 Received: from smtp03.uc3m.es ([163.117.136.123]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY0vg-0000Ah-6h for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:48:57 -0400 Received: from smtp03.uc3m.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF411E58D; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:48:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [163.117.203.127] (unknown [163.117.203.127]) by smtp03.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33F81E61D; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:48:53 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <1160651240.16376.9.camel@localhost> References: <1160651240.16376.9.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: marcelo bagnulo braun Subject: Re: [nemo] On NEMO Re-Chartering w.r.t. RO -- summary so far Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:49:06 +0200 To: Chan-Wah Ng X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 29dc808194f5fb921c09d0040806d6eb Cc: IETF NEMO WG X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi Chan-Wah, El 12/10/2006, a las 13:07, Chan-Wah Ng escribi=F3: > Hello all, > > Seems like all discussions on RO-related re-chartering of NEMO WG has > subsided, so perhaps it is time for a test of consensus? > > Based on my understanding of the posts within the ML, the consensus > seems to be: > > - A work item needs to be added to the charter to document > industry requirements and use cases > > A somewhat "rougher" consensus seems to be: > > - A work item explicitly identifying the Global HA HA protocol > should not be in the charter > > - Instead, route optimization solutions should be added. > > > Now, what kind of route optimization solutions should be added does = not > seems to be too clear based on my reading of the ML. TJ's draft=20 > charter > already contains 2 items: > > - Communication between nodes located in separate mobile networks, > > - and communication between a mobile network node and a visited > network node / service should be addressed. > > And Thierry, Watari independently suggested that: > > - MR to MR communication not going through a MR-HA tunnel > > I myself have proposed to look at, instead of Global-HAHA, > > - An infrastructure-based RO solution > A couple of comments: first, i guess that it is obvious, but i guess we don't need different=20= solutions for each case, and that if we find a single solution that=20 supports more than one of these cases, it would be a plus, right? Second, i found it a bit strange the set of solutions that you have=20 selected... i mean, the first two suggested by TJ seem to describe=20 situations where RO is desirable. However, the second one seems somehow related to the the first one=20 proposed by TJ, i mean what is the difference between RO between MNN=20 located in different nemos and RO between two MRs? The third one seem to be addressing the general problem of RO between a=20= MNN and any other CN located in the internet. However, instead of=20 stating that a general solution for RO between a MNN and any other CN=20 is to be designed, you already impose a condition on the solution, that=20= is, that it must be based on the infrastrucutre. I don't wee why this=20 should be the case... I mean, i see several benefits of using an=20 infrastrucutre approach, but other solutions not based on the=20 infrastrucutre may also provide other tradeoffs and other benefits. On=20= other words, why do you rule out solutions not based on infrastrucutre=20= from the list? Regards, marcelo > > There have also been call for adding route optimization solutions = based > on the requirements from the requirements draft, but to avoid a > rechartering in Mar2007 again, this should be explicitly placed in the > WG charter. So far, I don't see any objections to this. The only > contention point is what type of route optimizations. > > That's pretty much what I can summarize from I can read in recent ML > activities. > > > On a related note, I would also like to point the WG to some=20 > discussions > on the same ML 1 year ago, in which I suggested possible next steps to > route optimizations (I'd even prepared some slides for that in 64th > IETF, but was dropped due to time constraint). See attached post=20 > below. > > /rgds > /cwng > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Chan-Wah NG > To: T.J. Kniveton > Cc: ml-nemo WG > Subject: Re: [nemo] Next steps in RO > Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:36:43 +0800 > > Hello all, > > My personal views are that the following 3 main pieces are needed: > > (1) A mechanism for MNNs to send packet from where the NEMO is=20 > attached. > > This mechanism would allow MNNs, however deeply they are nested, to > appear to a node outside the NEMO as if they are a simple mobile node. > attached to the point of attachment of the root-MR. This mechanism > would allow a solution to the nested mobile HA problem, and the=20 > security > policy prohibiting visitor traffic problem. Not only that, it also > allows VMN to operate MIPv6 RO without being subjected to NEMO-BS > tunnel. > > (2) A mechanism for MRs to offer route optimization to LFNs. > > This is less important, but it's a mean to complete the entire RO > process. The mechanism above in (1) will allowed modified nodes (i.e.=20= > VMN) to > achieve RO in a way compatible to the more "legacy" MIPv6 RO. This > mechanism, OTOH, will allow RO to be achieved for unmodified LFNs. > > (3) A correspondent router solution. > > The deployment of such an entity would allow two benefits: (1) perform > RO for non-modified CNs, and (2) the discovery of MR by other mobile > nodes, if this MR is treated as a CR. > > Some of the above may require future research, and may encompass a lot > of smaller but significant issues to be solved. One can in fact have > the NEMO WG re-chartered to work on only 1 or 2 of the above, and have > the rest moved to IRTF for further research. > > /rgds > /cwng > > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 12 18:29:06 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY92d-0002UT-13; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:28:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY92c-0002UO-5e for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:28:38 -0400 Received: from discorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.38]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY92a-0000Z6-PD for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:28:38 -0400 Received: from iseran-2.local (host81-129-176-112.range81-129.btcentralplus.com [81.129.176.112]) (authenticated bits=0) by discorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CMSZXp000455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:28:36 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:28:35 +0200 From: Thierry Ernst To: ml-nemo Subject: Re: [nemo] On NEMO Re-Chartering w.r.t. RO -- summary so far Message-Id: <20061013002835.73aecc15.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: References: <1160651240.16376.9.camel@localhost> Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; powerpc-apple-darwin7.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at discorde with ID 452EC193.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi, > A couple of comments: > > first, i guess that it is obvious, but i guess we don't need different > solutions for each case, and that if we find a single solution that > supports more than one of these cases, it would be a plus, right? It could be a plus if this is feasible; if it's not, independent solutions could be devised when the need is strong and as long as the different solutions, each addressing a different part of the problem, are interoperable. But, instead of speaking about different solutions, from a charter point of view we should speak about the different scenarios where a solution is urgently expected. > Second, i found it a bit strange the set of solutions that you have > selected... i mean, the first two suggested by TJ seem to describe > situations where RO is desirable. > > However, the second one seems somehow related to the the first one > proposed by TJ, i mean what is the difference between RO between MNN > located in different nemos and RO between two MRs? > > The third one seem to be addressing the general problem of RO between a > MNN and any other CN located in the internet. No, this is not correct. When I proposed this I really meant a CN clause to the AR visited by the MR. > However, instead of > stating that a general solution for RO between a MNN and any other CN > is to be designed, you already impose a condition on the solution, that > is, that it must be based on the infrastrucutre. I don't wee why this > should be the case... I mean, i see several benefits of using an > infrastrucutre approach, but other solutions not based on the > infrastrucutre may also provide other tradeoffs and other benefits. On > other words, why do you rule out solutions not based on infrastrucutre > from the list? What do you mean by solutions not based on the infrastructure ? Thierry > > Regards, marcelo > > > > > > > There have also been call for adding route optimization solutions based > > on the requirements from the requirements draft, but to avoid a > > rechartering in Mar2007 again, this should be explicitly placed in the > > WG charter. So far, I don't see any objections to this. The only > > contention point is what type of route optimizations. > > > > That's pretty much what I can summarize from I can read in recent ML > > activities. > > > > > > On a related note, I would also like to point the WG to some > > discussions > > on the same ML 1 year ago, in which I suggested possible next steps to > > route optimizations (I'd even prepared some slides for that in 64th > > IETF, but was dropped due to time constraint). See attached post > > below. > > > > /rgds > > /cwng From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 13 08:13:45 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYLuX-0005Kn-0U; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:13:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYLuV-0005Ic-Cf for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:13:07 -0400 Received: from smtp03.uc3m.es ([163.117.136.123]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYLuO-0004vG-Uv for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:13:07 -0400 Received: from smtp03.uc3m.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1471E3C1; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:12:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [163.117.82.232] (unknown [163.117.82.232]) by smtp03.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2764E1E06A; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:12:59 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20061013002835.73aecc15.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> References: <1160651240.16376.9.camel@localhost> <20061013002835.73aecc15.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: marcelo bagnulo braun Subject: Re: [nemo] On NEMO Re-Chartering w.r.t. RO -- summary so far Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:13:12 +0200 To: Thierry Ernst X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 825e642946eda55cd9bc654a36dab8c2 Cc: ml-nemo X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org El 13/10/2006, a las 0:28, Thierry Ernst escribi=F3: > > Hi, > >> A couple of comments: >> >> first, i guess that it is obvious, but i guess we don't need = different >> solutions for each case, and that if we find a single solution that >> supports more than one of these cases, it would be a plus, right? > > It could be a plus if this is feasible; if it's not, independent > solutions could be devised when the need is strong and as long as the > different solutions, each addressing a different part of the problem, > are interoperable. > fully agree > But, instead of speaking about different solutions, from a charter=20 > point > of view we should speak about the different scenarios where a solution > is urgently expected. > fully agree also > >> Second, i found it a bit strange the set of solutions that you have >> selected... i mean, the first two suggested by TJ seem to describe >> situations where RO is desirable. >> >> However, the second one seems somehow related to the the first one >> proposed by TJ, i mean what is the difference between RO between MNN >> located in different nemos and RO between two MRs? >> >> The third one seem to be addressing the general problem of RO between=20= >> a >> MNN and any other CN located in the internet. > > No, this is not correct. When I proposed this I really meant a CN=20 > clause > to the AR visited by the MR. > my mistake, i meant the one about infrastrucutre based RO , sorry for=20 hte confusion... >> However, instead of >> stating that a general solution for RO between a MNN and any other CN >> is to be designed, you already impose a condition on the solution,=20 >> that >> is, that it must be based on the infrastrucutre. I don't wee why this >> should be the case... I mean, i see several benefits of using an >> infrastrucutre approach, but other solutions not based on the >> infrastrucutre may also provide other tradeoffs and other benefits. = On >> other words, why do you rule out solutions not based on = infrastrucutre >> from the list? > > What do you mean by solutions not based on the infrastructure ? > all the other solutions that are not in the category of "an=20 infrastrucutre based RO" for example, end to end RO for instance.... e.g. based on mip RO in any case, i agree with you that we should include in the charter the=20= scenarios where RO is needed rather than how the solutions should be=20 designed, infrastrucutre, end to end and so. I would leave this out of=20= the charter Regards, marcelo > > Thierry > > >> >> Regards, marcelo >> >> >> >>> >>> There have also been call for adding route optimization solutions=20 >>> based >>> on the requirements from the requirements draft, but to avoid a >>> rechartering in Mar2007 again, this should be explicitly placed in=20= >>> the >>> WG charter. So far, I don't see any objections to this. The only >>> contention point is what type of route optimizations. >>> >>> That's pretty much what I can summarize from I can read in recent ML >>> activities. >>> >>> >>> On a related note, I would also like to point the WG to some >>> discussions >>> on the same ML 1 year ago, in which I suggested possible next steps=20= >>> to >>> route optimizations (I'd even prepared some slides for that in 64th >>> IETF, but was dropped due to time constraint). See attached post >>> below. >>> >>> /rgds >>> /cwng > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 13 13:14:43 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYQbx-0005NN-3g; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:14:17 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYQbw-0005NI-4Z for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:14:16 -0400 Received: from ndjsvws03.ndc.nasa.gov ([198.120.25.83]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYQbq-0007R2-Fa for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:14:16 -0400 Received: from ndjsxgw02.ndc.nasa.gov ([129.166.32.112]) by ndjsvws03.ndc.nasa.gov with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:14:07 -0500 Received: from NDJSEVS15.ndc.nasa.gov ([129.166.32.125]) by ndjsxgw02.ndc.nasa.gov with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:13:48 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [nemo] On NEMO Re-Chartering w.r.t. RO -- summary so far Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:13:25 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1160651240.16376.9.camel@localhost> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [nemo] On NEMO Re-Chartering w.r.t. RO -- summary so far thread-index: Acbt7fT8ZRODKQEZSgaVyNmQ8i3OtwA/Dsyg From: "Ivancic, William D. \(GRC-RCN0\)" To: "Chan-Wah Ng" , "IETF NEMO WG" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2006 17:13:48.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2A81EE0:01C6EEEA] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org I would really like to see Global HAHA worked as I think it provides a solution for the aeronautics community. However, I am most certainly open to other solutions. I believe, however, that Global HAHA is well bounded and therefore has a chance to be accomplish in a reasonable amount of time. Whatever solutions are proposed, we need to ensure deployment is realizable in many environments and scenarios and that it can be secured in a practical manner. ****************************** William D. Ivancic Phone 216-433-3494 Fax 216-433-8705 Lab 216-433-2620 Mobile 440-503-4892 http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~ivancic=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chan-Wah Ng [mailto:chanwah.ng@sg.panasonic.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:07 AM > To: IETF NEMO WG > Subject: [nemo] On NEMO Re-Chartering w.r.t. 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RO -- summary so far From: Chan-Wah NG To: marcelo bagnulo braun In-Reply-To: References: <1160651240.16376.9.camel@localhost> <20061013002835.73aecc15.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: Panasonic Singapore Labs Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:46:53 +0800 Message-Id: <1160966813.11202.8.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2006 02:44:21.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBEE2240:01C6F0CC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp.mei.co.jp id k9G2jSTW000991 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ff9c467ad7f19c2a6d058acd7faaec8 Cc: ml-nemo , Thierry Ernst X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hello Thierry, Marcelo, While I agree that we should get requirements, then see where solutions is needed (urgently), I maintain that the charter should include a solution clause, something like "based on the requriements and scenarios where RO is needed, the WG would produce appropriate RO solution(s).". The reasons being: (1) the basic objective behind doing requirements/scenarios is to have RO. (2) I don't see that work needing to take too long, and we don't want a re-chartering again in March. /rgds /cwng On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 14:13 +0200, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote: > El 13/10/2006, a las 0:28, Thierry Ernst escribi=F3: >=20 > > > > Hi, > > > >> A couple of comments: > >> > >> first, i guess that it is obvious, but i guess we don't need differe= nt > >> solutions for each case, and that if we find a single solution that > >> supports more than one of these cases, it would be a plus, right? > > > > It could be a plus if this is feasible; if it's not, independent > > solutions could be devised when the need is strong and as long as the > > different solutions, each addressing a different part of the problem, > > are interoperable. > > >=20 > fully agree >=20 > > But, instead of speaking about different solutions, from a charter=20 > > point > > of view we should speak about the different scenarios where a solutio= n > > is urgently expected. > > >=20 > fully agree also >=20 > > > >> Second, i found it a bit strange the set of solutions that you have > >> selected... i mean, the first two suggested by TJ seem to describe > >> situations where RO is desirable. > >> > >> However, the second one seems somehow related to the the first one > >> proposed by TJ, i mean what is the difference between RO between MNN > >> located in different nemos and RO between two MRs? > >> > >> The third one seem to be addressing the general problem of RO betwee= n=20 > >> a > >> MNN and any other CN located in the internet. > > > > No, this is not correct. When I proposed this I really meant a CN=20 > > clause > > to the AR visited by the MR. > > >=20 > my mistake, i meant the one about infrastrucutre based RO , sorry for=20 > hte confusion... >=20 > >> However, instead of > >> stating that a general solution for RO between a MNN and any other C= N > >> is to be designed, you already impose a condition on the solution,=20 > >> that > >> is, that it must be based on the infrastrucutre. I don't wee why thi= s > >> should be the case... I mean, i see several benefits of using an > >> infrastrucutre approach, but other solutions not based on the > >> infrastrucutre may also provide other tradeoffs and other benefits. = On > >> other words, why do you rule out solutions not based on infrastrucut= re > >> from the list? > > > > What do you mean by solutions not based on the infrastructure ? > > >=20 > all the other solutions that are not in the category of "an=20 > infrastrucutre based RO" >=20 > for example, end to end RO for instance.... e.g. based on mip RO >=20 > in any case, i agree with you that we should include in the charter the= =20 > scenarios where RO is needed rather than how the solutions should be=20 > designed, infrastrucutre, end to end and so. I would leave this out of=20 > the charter >=20 > Regards, marcelo >=20 > > > > Thierry > > > > > >> > >> Regards, marcelo > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> There have also been call for adding route optimization solutions=20 > >>> based > >>> on the requirements from the requirements draft, but to avoid a > >>> rechartering in Mar2007 again, this should be explicitly placed in=20 > >>> the > >>> WG charter. So far, I don't see any objections to this. The only > >>> contention point is what type of route optimizations. > >>> > >>> That's pretty much what I can summarize from I can read in recent M= L > >>> activities. > >>> > >>> > >>> On a related note, I would also like to point the WG to some > >>> discussions > >>> on the same ML 1 year ago, in which I suggested possible next steps= =20 > >>> to > >>> route optimizations (I'd even prepared some slides for that in 64th > >>> IETF, but was dropped due to time constraint). See attached post > >>> below. > >>> > >>> /rgds > >>> /cwng > > >=20 >=20 --=20 Chan-Wah NG Panasonic Singapore Labs From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 16 10:14:10 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZTDQ-00064W-2T; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:13:16 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZTDN-00062q-H2 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:13:13 -0400 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZT7o-0008DX-6n for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:07:32 -0400 Received: from iseran-2.local (dhcp-rocq-97.inria.fr [128.93.62.97]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GE7G05002175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:07:17 +0200 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:07:19 +0200 From: Thierry Ernst To: nemo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] On NEMO Re-Chartering w.r.t. RO -- summary so far Message-Id: <20061016160719.109b4263.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: <1160966813.11202.8.camel@localhost> References: <1160651240.16376.9.camel@localhost> <20061013002835.73aecc15.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> <1160966813.11202.8.camel@localhost> Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; powerpc-apple-darwin7.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 45339214.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by concorde.inria.fr id k9GE7G05002175 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e472ca43d56132790a46d9eefd95f0a5 X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Well, written this way this makes sense to me. Thierry On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:46:53 +0800 Chan-Wah NG wrote: > Hello Thierry, Marcelo, >=20 > While I agree that we should get requirements, then see where solutions > is needed (urgently), I maintain that the charter should include a > solution clause, something like "based on the requriements and scenario= s > where RO is needed, the WG would produce appropriate RO solution(s).". >=20 > The reasons being: >=20 > (1) the basic objective behind doing requirements/scenarios is to have > RO. >=20 > (2) I don't see that work needing to take too long, and we don't want a > re-chartering again in March. >=20 > /rgds > /cwng >=20 >=20 > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 14:13 +0200, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote: > > El 13/10/2006, a las 0:28, Thierry Ernst escribi=F3: > >=20 > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > >> A couple of comments: > > >> > > >> first, i guess that it is obvious, but i guess we don't need diffe= rent > > >> solutions for each case, and that if we find a single solution tha= t > > >> supports more than one of these cases, it would be a plus, right? > > > > > > It could be a plus if this is feasible; if it's not, independent > > > solutions could be devised when the need is strong and as long as t= he > > > different solutions, each addressing a different part of the proble= m, > > > are interoperable. > > > > >=20 > > fully agree > >=20 > > > But, instead of speaking about different solutions, from a charter=20 > > > point > > > of view we should speak about the different scenarios where a solut= ion > > > is urgently expected. > > > > >=20 > > fully agree also > >=20 > > > > > >> Second, i found it a bit strange the set of solutions that you hav= e > > >> selected... i mean, the first two suggested by TJ seem to describe > > >> situations where RO is desirable. > > >> > > >> However, the second one seems somehow related to the the first one > > >> proposed by TJ, i mean what is the difference between RO between M= NN > > >> located in different nemos and RO between two MRs? > > >> > > >> The third one seem to be addressing the general problem of RO betw= een=20 > > >> a > > >> MNN and any other CN located in the internet. > > > > > > No, this is not correct. When I proposed this I really meant a CN=20 > > > clause > > > to the AR visited by the MR. > > > > >=20 > > my mistake, i meant the one about infrastrucutre based RO , sorry for= =20 > > hte confusion... > >=20 > > >> However, instead of > > >> stating that a general solution for RO between a MNN and any other= CN > > >> is to be designed, you already impose a condition on the solution,= =20 > > >> that > > >> is, that it must be based on the infrastrucutre. I don't wee why t= his > > >> should be the case... I mean, i see several benefits of using an > > >> infrastrucutre approach, but other solutions not based on the > > >> infrastrucutre may also provide other tradeoffs and other benefits= . On > > >> other words, why do you rule out solutions not based on infrastruc= utre > > >> from the list? > > > > > > What do you mean by solutions not based on the infrastructure ? > > > > >=20 > > all the other solutions that are not in the category of "an=20 > > infrastrucutre based RO" > >=20 > > for example, end to end RO for instance.... e.g. based on mip RO > >=20 > > in any case, i agree with you that we should include in the charter t= he=20 > > scenarios where RO is needed rather than how the solutions should be=20 > > designed, infrastrucutre, end to end and so. I would leave this out o= f=20 > > the charter > >=20 > > Regards, marcelo > >=20 > > > > > > Thierry > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Regards, marcelo > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> There have also been call for adding route optimization solutions= =20 > > >>> based > > >>> on the requirements from the requirements draft, but to avoid a > > >>> rechartering in Mar2007 again, this should be explicitly placed i= n=20 > > >>> the > > >>> WG charter. So far, I don't see any objections to this. The onl= y > > >>> contention point is what type of route optimizations. > > >>> > > >>> That's pretty much what I can summarize from I can read in recent= ML > > >>> activities. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On a related note, I would also like to point the WG to some > > >>> discussions > > >>> on the same ML 1 year ago, in which I suggested possible next ste= ps=20 > > >>> to > > >>> route optimizations (I'd even prepared some slides for that in 64= th > > >>> IETF, but was dropped due to time constraint). 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<20061016160719.109b4263.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> References: <1160651240.16376.9.camel@localhost> <20061013002835.73aecc15.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> <1160966813.11202.8.camel@localhost> <20061016160719.109b4263.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <2bc355a9dff906b99862a24af34b4135@it.uc3m.es> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: marcelo bagnulo braun Subject: Re: [nemo] On NEMO Re-Chartering w.r.t. RO -- summary so far Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:42:33 +0200 To: Thierry Ernst X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ccfb4541e989aa743998098cd315d0fd Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org I am perfectly ok with this too Thanks, marcelo El 16/10/2006, a las 16:07, Thierry Ernst escribi=F3: > > Well, written this way this makes sense to me. > Thierry > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:46:53 +0800 > Chan-Wah NG wrote: > >> Hello Thierry, Marcelo, >> >> While I agree that we should get requirements, then see where=20 >> solutions >> is needed (urgently), I maintain that the charter should include a >> solution clause, something like "based on the requriements and=20 >> scenarios >> where RO is needed, the WG would produce appropriate RO = solution(s).". >> >> The reasons being: >> >> (1) the basic objective behind doing requirements/scenarios is to = have >> RO. >> >> (2) I don't see that work needing to take too long, and we don't want=20= >> a >> re-chartering again in March. >> >> /rgds >> /cwng >> >> >> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 14:13 +0200, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote: >>> El 13/10/2006, a las 0:28, Thierry Ernst escribi=F3: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>>> A couple of comments: >>>>> >>>>> first, i guess that it is obvious, but i guess we don't need=20 >>>>> different >>>>> solutions for each case, and that if we find a single solution = that >>>>> supports more than one of these cases, it would be a plus, right? >>>> >>>> It could be a plus if this is feasible; if it's not, independent >>>> solutions could be devised when the need is strong and as long as=20= >>>> the >>>> different solutions, each addressing a different part of the=20 >>>> problem, >>>> are interoperable. >>>> >>> >>> fully agree >>> >>>> But, instead of speaking about different solutions, from a charter >>>> point >>>> of view we should speak about the different scenarios where a=20 >>>> solution >>>> is urgently expected. >>>> >>> >>> fully agree also >>> >>>> >>>>> Second, i found it a bit strange the set of solutions that you = have >>>>> selected... i mean, the first two suggested by TJ seem to describe >>>>> situations where RO is desirable. >>>>> >>>>> However, the second one seems somehow related to the the first one >>>>> proposed by TJ, i mean what is the difference between RO between=20= >>>>> MNN >>>>> located in different nemos and RO between two MRs? >>>>> >>>>> The third one seem to be addressing the general problem of RO=20 >>>>> between >>>>> a >>>>> MNN and any other CN located in the internet. >>>> >>>> No, this is not correct. When I proposed this I really meant a CN >>>> clause >>>> to the AR visited by the MR. >>>> >>> >>> my mistake, i meant the one about infrastrucutre based RO , sorry = for >>> hte confusion... >>> >>>>> However, instead of >>>>> stating that a general solution for RO between a MNN and any other=20= >>>>> CN >>>>> is to be designed, you already impose a condition on the solution, >>>>> that >>>>> is, that it must be based on the infrastrucutre. I don't wee why=20= >>>>> this >>>>> should be the case... I mean, i see several benefits of using an >>>>> infrastrucutre approach, but other solutions not based on the >>>>> infrastrucutre may also provide other tradeoffs and other=20 >>>>> benefits. On >>>>> other words, why do you rule out solutions not based on=20 >>>>> infrastrucutre >>>>> from the list? >>>> >>>> What do you mean by solutions not based on the infrastructure ? >>>> >>> >>> all the other solutions that are not in the category of "an >>> infrastrucutre based RO" >>> >>> for example, end to end RO for instance.... e.g. based on mip RO >>> >>> in any case, i agree with you that we should include in the charter=20= >>> the >>> scenarios where RO is needed rather than how the solutions should be >>> designed, infrastrucutre, end to end and so. I would leave this out=20= >>> of >>> the charter >>> >>> Regards, marcelo >>> >>>> >>>> Thierry >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, marcelo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There have also been call for adding route optimization solutions >>>>>> based >>>>>> on the requirements from the requirements draft, but to avoid a >>>>>> rechartering in Mar2007 again, this should be explicitly placed = in >>>>>> the >>>>>> WG charter. So far, I don't see any objections to this. The = only >>>>>> contention point is what type of route optimizations. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's pretty much what I can summarize from I can read in recent=20= >>>>>> ML >>>>>> activities. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On a related note, I would also like to point the WG to some >>>>>> discussions >>>>>> on the same ML 1 year ago, in which I suggested possible next=20 >>>>>> steps >>>>>> to >>>>>> route optimizations (I'd even prepared some slides for that in=20 >>>>>> 64th >>>>>> IETF, but was dropped due to time constraint). 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Alex --------------000306040700010101040601 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="I-D ACTION:draft-jinchoi-nemo-pbm-00.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="I-D ACTION:draft-jinchoi-nemo-pbm-00.txt" Received: from zuk35exm65.ds.mot.com ([10.178.1.44]) by zuk35exm62.ds.mot.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:55:32 +0100 Received: from az33exr02.mot.com ([10.64.251.232]) by zuk35exm65.ds.mot.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:55:31 +0100 Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [144.189.100.101]) by az33exr02.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k9IJtSCv000033; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:55:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.179]) by motgate2.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with SMTP id k9IJtFnX027298; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:55:23 -0700 (MST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1161201240!10914287!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [156.154.16.145] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.8 required=7.0 tests=BODY_RANDOM_LONG, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,NO_REAL_NAME Received: (qmail 32601 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 19:54:12 -0000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (HELO megatron.ietf.org) (156.154.16.145) by server-6.tower-119.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 19:54:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaHSM-0003Oy-0I; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:52:02 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaHQv-0001Yo-O3 for i-d-announce@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:50:34 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaHQv-0003rW-Lm for i-d-announce@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:50:33 -0400 Received: from ns3.neustar.com ([156.154.24.138]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaHQu-0001oZ-Su for i-d-announce@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:50:33 -0400 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820FD17607 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GaHQQ-0001T4-2v for i-d-announce@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:50:02 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Cc: From: Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:50:02 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 10d3e4e3c32e363f129e380e644649be Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-jinchoi-nemo-pbm-00.txt X-BeenThere: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org List-Id: i-d-announce.ietf.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org Return-Path: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2006 19:55:31.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E15CB70:01C6F2EF] --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Prefix binding based mobility management in WiMAX network Author(s) : J. Choi, et al. Filename : draft-jinchoi-nemo-pbm-00.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2006-10-18 This document describes a protocol which provides movbility support for an ordinary IPv6 host in WiMAX network. The protocol allows session continuity for every IPv6 node in WiMAX network as it moves across subnets. The protocol exploits the facts that a single prefix is assigned per an IPv6 host in WiMAX network and prefix binding scheme is defined in NEMO WG. WiMAX access routers perform prefix binding for the hosts' stead and the mobility is transparent to the hosts inside WiMAX network. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-jinchoi-nemo-pbm-00.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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B42F3EC874; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:40:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (watari-desktop.ddns.hsc.kddilabs.jp [172.19.72.153]) by neutrino.hsc.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4E62E04A; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:40:25 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:39:59 +0900 From: Masafumi Watari To: Thierry Ernst Subject: Re: [nemo] On NEMO Re-Chartering w.r.t. RO -- summary so far Organization: KDDI R&D Laboratories Inc. In-Reply-To: <20061016160719.109b4263.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> References: <1160966813.11202.8.camel@localhost> <20061016160719.109b4263.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Message-Id: <20061025133239.D97F.WATARI@kddilabs.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.25.02 [ja] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: cd3fc8e909678b38737fc606dec187f0 Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Is it possible to have the another revised draft charter before the meeting or are we going to discuss this at San Diego? I did send some comments to T.J. on the charter as well and I'm just curious to know what the plans are. thanks, watari On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:07:19 +0200 Thierry Ernst wrote: > > Well, written this way this makes sense to me. > Thierry > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:46:53 +0800 > Chan-Wah NG wrote: > > > Hello Thierry, Marcelo, > > > > While I agree that we should get requirements, then see where solutions > > is needed (urgently), I maintain that the charter should include a > > solution clause, something like "based on the requriements and scenarios > > where RO is needed, the WG would produce appropriate RO solution(s).". > > > > The reasons being: > > > > (1) the basic objective behind doing requirements/scenarios is to have > > RO. > > > > (2) I don't see that work needing to take too long, and we don't want a > > re-chartering again in March. > > > > /rgds > > /cwng > > > > > > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 14:13 +0200, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote: > > > El 13/10/2006, a las 0:28, Thierry Ernst escribi > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > >> A couple of comments: > > > >> > > > >> first, i guess that it is obvious, but i guess we don't need different > > > >> solutions for each case, and that if we find a single solution that > > > >> supports more than one of these cases, it would be a plus, right? > > > > > > > > It could be a plus if this is feasible; if it's not, independent > > > > solutions could be devised when the need is strong and as long as the > > > > different solutions, each addressing a different part of the problem, > > > > are interoperable. > > > > > > > > > > fully agree > > > > > > > But, instead of speaking about different solutions, from a charter > > > > point > > > > of view we should speak about the different scenarios where a solution > > > > is urgently expected. > > > > > > > > > > fully agree also > > > > > > > > > > >> Second, i found it a bit strange the set of solutions that you have > > > >> selected... i mean, the first two suggested by TJ seem to describe > > > >> situations where RO is desirable. > > > >> > > > >> However, the second one seems somehow related to the the first one > > > >> proposed by TJ, i mean what is the difference between RO between MNN > > > >> located in different nemos and RO between two MRs? > > > >> > > > >> The third one seem to be addressing the general problem of RO between > > > >> a > > > >> MNN and any other CN located in the internet. > > > > > > > > No, this is not correct. When I proposed this I really meant a CN > > > > clause > > > > to the AR visited by the MR. > > > > > > > > > > my mistake, i meant the one about infrastrucutre based RO , sorry for > > > hte confusion... > > > > > > >> However, instead of > > > >> stating that a general solution for RO between a MNN and any other CN > > > >> is to be designed, you already impose a condition on the solution, > > > >> that > > > >> is, that it must be based on the infrastrucutre. I don't wee why this > > > >> should be the case... I mean, i see several benefits of using an > > > >> infrastrucutre approach, but other solutions not based on the > > > >> infrastrucutre may also provide other tradeoffs and other benefits. On > > > >> other words, why do you rule out solutions not based on infrastrucutre > > > >> from the list? > > > > > > > > What do you mean by solutions not based on the infrastructure ? > > > > > > > > > > all the other solutions that are not in the category of "an > > > infrastrucutre based RO" > > > > > > for example, end to end RO for instance.... e.g. based on mip RO > > > > > > in any case, i agree with you that we should include in the charter the > > > scenarios where RO is needed rather than how the solutions should be > > > designed, infrastrucutre, end to end and so. I would leave this out of > > > the charter > > > > > > Regards, marcelo > > > > > > > > > > > Thierry > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Regards, marcelo > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> There have also been call for adding route optimization solutions > > > >>> based > > > >>> on the requirements from the requirements draft, but to avoid a > > > >>> rechartering in Mar2007 again, this should be explicitly placed in > > > >>> the > > > >>> WG charter. So far, I don't see any objections to this. The only > > > >>> contention point is what type of route optimizations. > > > >>> > > > >>> That's pretty much what I can summarize from I can read in recent ML > > > >>> activities. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On a related note, I would also like to point the WG to some > > > >>> discussions > > > >>> on the same ML 1 year ago, in which I suggested possible next steps > > > >>> to > > > >>> route optimizations (I'd even prepared some slides for that in 64th > > > >>> IETF, but was dropped due to time constraint). See attached post > > > >>> below. > > > >>> > > > >>> /rgds > > > >>> /cwng > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Chan-Wah NG > > Panasonic Singapore Labs > > > > > > > > \ From khnqqyicxa@safe-sound.com Wed Oct 25 03:54:21 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcdaf-00088d-3T for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:54:21 -0400 Received: from czh138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl ([83.19.193.138]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcdab-0001P2-M2 for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:54:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c6f80a$c16f5c20$8ac11353@djx56mfoktv6u9> From: "HTML" To: nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: software. 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-----------00000049.01C6F804-- From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 25 22:26:44 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcuwx-00088E-9Q; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:26:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcuww-000889-JN for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:26:30 -0400 Received: from locust.csie.ncku.edu.tw ([140.116.247.131]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcuwu-00081O-AW for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:26:30 -0400 Received: from leechlab (leech.csie.ncku.edu.tw [140.116.247.122]) by locust.csie.ncku.edu.tw (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k9Q2DvwR026921 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:14:02 +0800 (CST) From: "Lee, Chao-Hsien" To: Subject: [nemo] New draft draft-ming-nemo-sipnemo-01.txt Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:28:11 +0800 Message-ID: <000001c6f8a6$64d33260$7af7748c@leechlab> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acb4pmG2W/5OpaSLSJO6QCWra7DsXg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Dear all: We have updated our previous drafts that extends SIP to support network mobility and to achieve RO. If you have any question, please feel free to contact with us. Thanks. A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : SIP-based Network Mobility (SIP-NEMO) Route Optimization (RO) Author(s) : C. Lee, et al. Filename : draft-ming-nemo-sipnemo-01.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2006-10-20 The Network Mobility (NEMO) Basic Support protocol enables a mobile network to change its point of attachment and keeps nodes in the mobile network reachable when the mobile network moves in the Internet. However, using the NEMO Basic Support protocol, all traffic must pass through the bi-directional tunnel between a mobile router and its home agent when the mobile router leaves its home network. The bi-directional tunnel results in sub-optimal routing and long transmission delay. This document describes the SIP-based Network Mobility (SIP-NEMO) Route Optimization (RO) that achieves optimal routing and reduces the limitation induced by Mobile IPv6. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ming-nemo-sipnemo-01.txt Best regards, Lee, Chao-Hsien Ph. D. student Dept. of Computer Science and Information Engineering National Cheng Kung University, Tainan, Taiwan, R.O.C. Phone: +886-6-2080362 E-mail: leech@locust.csie.ncku.edu.tw From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 25 23:34:18 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcw0D-0003uW-95; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:33:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcw0C-0003qC-D8 for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:33:56 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.187]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcw0A-0007Mo-2k for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:33:56 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so828385nfc for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:33:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=oBMWdMTVhlhTArFZNDPeJce45Uh+TRJiGRhIE2mlU5o7MUhuz+Cu8c2rIShH5HMw+d7CruM+YmKoSjSO+pPNAdXg+HXs0Mw7nhLsY+wzzTA3YtXVeDCeG4AC/WMXeetZqMOEiXvC3UPs8NHR8yx2oK4e2s6AWTPatQuF5V8XcsA= Received: by 10.78.157.8 with SMTP id f8mr1654039hue; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.156.6 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:33:52 +0900 From: "Jiho Ryu" To: nemo@ietf.org Subject: [nemo] Draft Update: Failover for multiple mobile routers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24033_9378047.1161833632635" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 009123c1cab6e989 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org ------=_Part_24033_9378047.1161833632635 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all, We submit a updated version of our draft the failover for multiple mobile routers in a mobile network. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ryu-nemo-mr-failover-02.txt We add a new section 7. "Implementation" Any questions and comments are welcome at anytime. :-) Regards Jiho Ryu. -- Ryu, Jiho Master Course Multimedia and Mobile Communications Lab., School of Computer Science and Engineering Seoul National University ------=_Part_24033_9378047.1161833632635 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all,

We submit a updated version of our draft the failover for multiple mobile routers in a mobile network.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ryu-nemo-mr-failover-02.txt

We add a new section 7. "Implementation"

Any questions and comments are welcome at anytime. :-)

Regards
Jiho Ryu.

-- Ryu, Jiho
Master Course
Multimedia and Mobile Communications Lab.,
School of Computer Science and Engineering
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Kniveton" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Masafumi Watari Subject: Re: [nemo] On NEMO Re-Chartering w.r.t. RO -- summary so far References: <1160966813.11202.8.camel@localhost> <20061016160719.109b4263.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> <20061025133239.D97F.WATARI@kddilabs.jp> In-Reply-To: <20061025133239.D97F.WATARI@kddilabs.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: nemo@ietf.org, Thierry Ernst X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Masafumi Watari wrote: >Hi, > >Is it possible to have the another revised draft charter before the >meeting or are we going to discuss this at San Diego? > > Hi, Yes, I plan to have one more revision of the charter proposal before the meeting in San Diego. 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akstcallegromicromnsdgs@allegromicro.com Mon Oct 30 09:36:22 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeYFS-0007jO-5j for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:36:22 -0500 Received: from 24-180-251-166.static.bycy.mi.charter.com ([24.180.251.166]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeYFJ-00071x-8k for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:36:22 -0500 Received: from 12.30.248.131 (HELO outbound.allegromicro.com) by lists.ietf.org with esmtp (41DNQNT41Z 0SPR0Y) id JQXME0-D070ZI-8R for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2006 14:48:41 +0300 Message-ID: <01c6fc32$7d78f040$6c822ecf@akstcallegromicromnsdgs> From: "Carmine Roberts" To: Subject: paragonite schist old-sighted Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2006 14:48:41 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal 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From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 30 20:01:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gehzz-0002Mv-K0; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:01:03 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gehzy-0002Mq-CU for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:01:02 -0500 Received: from yskfw1.ysknet.co.jp ([210.169.255.3] helo=ksns.ks.ysknet.co.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gehzw-0003XK-6H for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:01:02 -0500 Received: (qmail 9603 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 10:00:47 +0900 Received: from (HELO MIP6-236) (@) by with SMTP; 31 Oct 2006 10:00:47 +0900 To: nemo@ietf.org, vijay.devarapalli@azairenet.com Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo From: "K.Kawaguchi" References: <200609201718.HAJ30652.JLUVBXHB@ysknet.co.jp> <200609281458.IIE26588.HUVJBBXL@ysknet.co.jp> <200610021515.GBC65639.BJLBUXVH@ysknet.co.jp> <452ABB53.3020104@azairenet.com> In-Reply-To: <452ABB53.3020104@azairenet.com> Message-Id: <200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.43 PL1] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:00:46 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="---------1162256446-6364890" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a743e34ab8eb08259de9a7307caed594 Cc: X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org -----------1162256446-6364890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all and Vijay-san, Thank you for answer. # I'm sorry the delay. To our regret, The IPv6 Logo Committee NEMO staffs cannot participate in the next meeting. Instead of participation, I made text for the next IETF meeting. We have already gotten some opinions. We hope to obtain the conclusion at the meeting. We want to examine only the conclusion at the meeting, because the meeting have not much time. If you have an additional opinion, please send it to ML before the meeting. Best regards --- Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI "Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo" "Vijay Devarapalli " wrote: > K.Kawaguchi wrote: > > >> - HA (Home Agent) > >> - Router functions defined in "Test Specifications for the IPv6 Core > >> Protocols" MUST be supported. > >> - Mobile network prefix registration supporting all of explicit mode, > >> implicit mode, home address derived from the Mobile Network Prefix, and > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> home address derived from the Home Network Prefix is a Basic Function (A1). > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> * supplementation) keywords > >> Basic Function (Priority A1) : It is defined as indispensable function. > >> It is always to be tested in Logo. > >> Advance Function (Priority A2): It is defined as enhanced feature. > >> It is tested by selection in Logo. > >> > >> > >> RFC3963 has not described which method is a 'MUST'. Therefore, > >> we had equally treated both. However, the operation is possible > >> by either one. And a lot of venders might implement only one > >> of methods. Now, we think that it is too rich to demand both from > >> all products. > >> We will put the bias. Two alternatives without mandating either > >> make non-interoperable world. 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Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo From: "K.Kawaguchi" References: <200609201718.HAJ30652.JLUVBXHB@ysknet.co.jp> <200609281458.IIE26588.HUVJBBXL@ysknet.co.jp> <200610021515.GBC65639.BJLBUXVH@ysknet.co.jp> <452ABB53.3020104@azairenet.com> <200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp> Message-Id: <200610311144.JDJ21818.XBVLJHBU@ysknet.co.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.43 PL1] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:44:23 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="---------1162262663-12581812" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f8184d7d4d1b986353eb58ea3e887935 X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org -----------1162262663-12581812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, I'm sorry, the text is updated because the opinion from staff of v6LC was received by the timing gap, Some sentences were changed, and it explains the policy of the Logo program of Nemo. Best regards --- Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI In message <200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp> "Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo" ""K.Kawaguchi" " wrote: > Hi all and Vijay-san, > > Thank you for answer. > # I'm sorry the delay. > > To our regret, The IPv6 Logo Committee NEMO staffs cannot participate in > the next meeting. Instead of participation, I made text for the next > IETF meeting. > > We have already gotten some opinions. We hope to obtain the conclusion > at the meeting. We want to examine only the conclusion at the meeting, > because the meeting have not much time. > If you have an additional opinion, please send it to ML before the > meeting. > > > Best regards > --- > Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI > > > > "Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo" > "Vijay Devarapalli " wrote: > > > K.Kawaguchi wrote: > > > > >> - HA (Home Agent) > > >> - Router functions defined in "Test Specifications for the IPv6 Core > > >> Protocols" MUST be supported. > > >> - Mobile network prefix registration supporting all of explicit mode, > > >> implicit mode, home address derived from the Mobile Network Prefix, and > > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > >> home address derived from the Home Network Prefix is a Basic Function (A1). > > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> * supplementation) keywords > > >> Basic Function (Priority A1) : It is defined as indispensable function. > > >> It is always to be tested in Logo. > > >> Advance Function (Priority A2): It is defined as enhanced feature. > > >> It is tested by selection in Logo. > > >> > > >> > > >> RFC3963 has not described which method is a 'MUST'. Therefore, > > >> we had equally treated both. However, the operation is possible > > >> by either one. And a lot of venders might implement only one > > >> of methods. Now, we think that it is too rich to demand both from > > >> all products. > > >> We will put the bias. Two alternatives without mandating either > > >> make non-interoperable world. So, mandating one is very reasonable. > > >> We think naturally that home Address be configured from Home Link > > >> Prefix is basic method same as MIPv6. > > > > sounds good to me. > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > -----------1162262663-12581812 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Base64 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Logo_NENO_IETF_68th_01.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Logo_NENO_IETF_68th_01.txt" DQoNCg0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgIEsuS2F3YWd1Y2hpDQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIElQdjYgTG9nbyBDb21taXR0ZWUNCiAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgSVB2NiBQcm9tb3Rpb24gQ291bmNp bCBpbiBKYXBhbg0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICBPY3RvYmVyIDMxLCAyMDA2DQoNCg0KICAgVGhlIGNvbmRpdGlvbiBv ZiBIb21lIEFkZHJlc3MgaW4gdGhlIElQdjYgUmVhZHkgTG9nbyBQaGFzZS0yIE5FTU8NCg0K 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