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Second chances portrayal part, so impressive that bigleague, aaron.
Anthony, quotno me amesquot dance named alma topping.
Hasnt dominated enough fields own fashion company sweetface?
Clothes members peta protested famous member heather, stormed.
Estate there worth neighbors sides, house gibb, ricky.
Song track quotbaby youquot borrows heavily melody.
Mi familia about, lives mexican immigrants, los angeles today.
One quotfly girlquot dancers foxs what really itching do.
Have well tipped off tracks having already worked.
Second chances portrayal part, so impressive that bigleague, aaron.
 
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Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNAfd-0000J6-BU; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:31:49 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNAfa-0008OQ-EK; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:31:46 -0500 Received: from mail128.messagelabs.com ([216.82.250.131]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNAfZ-000752-2P; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:31:46 -0500 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-128.messagelabs.com!1172853103!3309881!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.189.100.105] Received: (qmail 24366 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2007 16:31:44 -0000 Received: from motgate5.mot.com (HELO motgate5.mot.com) (144.189.100.105) by server-15.tower-128.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2007 16:31:44 -0000 Received: from az33exr03.mot.com (az33exr03.mot.com [10.64.251.233]) by motgate5.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with ESMTP id l22GVUXY004489; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:31:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.161.201.117] (zfr01-2117.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.117]) by az33exr03.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l22GVRG4004041; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:31:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45E8515F.5040703@motorola.com> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:31:27 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Teco Boot References: <000e01c75ca4$a8d323f0$0202a8c0@Teco> In-Reply-To: <000e01c75ca4$a8d323f0$0202a8c0@Teco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b4a0a5f5992e2a4954405484e7717d8c Cc: nemo@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org, manemo@mobileip.jp, 'Monami6 WG' Subject: [nemo] Re: WPF syndrome and MONAMI6 (was: [manet] RE: draft-boot-manet-nemo-analysis-00.txt) X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Teco Boot wrote: > Hi All, > > The I-D "Analysis of MANET and NEMO" is published on IETF: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-boot-manet-nemo-analysis-00.txt > > I was requested to publish the link for the I-D on the WG MLs. > I ask special attention on the "Worst Path First syndrome", section 3.7. Thanks for pointing to the MANEMO WPF syndrome problem, let me paste the illustrative figure here: > +-----+ > | MR1 | > +-----+ > 11Mbps / | > loss / | > <1% / | 1Mbps > +-+-+ | loss ~50% > |MR2| | > +-+-+ | > 11Mbps \ | > loss \ | > <1% \ | > +-+-+ > |MR3| > +---+ >[...] > [MR3] Selecting the direct path to MR1 is the worst in terms of > bandwidth (1Mbps where 11Mbps is available), packet loss (50% where > less than 2% is available) and used spectrum (single transmission > over 1Mbps takes more time for sending a packet than 2 times over > 11Mbps). I think this problem looks very much like a problem where a Mobile Host is presented with two WiFi access networks, without any hint about which is better to the Internet. This problem is not documented as such, but I believe MONAMI6 describes a similar problem with 'multi-homing' terms: draft-ietf-monami6-mipv6-analysis-02.txt: > (H1,Cn): [Mobile Host has] 1 HoA, n CoAs > > Another possible configuration is a MN with several interfaces > connected to different links. Note that one of the interfaces of the > MN may be connected to its home link. > > Achievable goals: Reliability, Load Sharing, Interface switching (if > the MN is equipped with several interfaces) [...] o Load Sharing > and Interface Switching > > This configuration allows to share the load and set preferences among > different paths between the HA and the MN when BT mode is used, and > between the CN and the MN when RO mode is used. In order to achieve > load sharing and interface switching under this scenario, the MN > would need to register several CoAs with its unique HoA. However, > the present specification of MIPv6 only allows the MN to register a > single CoA per HoA. This is discussed in Section 6.2.1. When a > single HoA is bounded to several CoAs at the same time, the MN or > HA/CN must be able to select the appropriate CoA. Based on this comparison, do you think that WPF syndrome is related to the (H1, Cn) MONAMI6 Scenario? Or to another MONAMI6 Scenario? Or not at all to MONAMI6? 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C75CF1.43A68A10-- From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 02 12:11:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNBI2-0000Vb-B5; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:11:30 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNBI0-0000VM-UC for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:11:28 -0500 Received: from server9.hosting2go.nl ([83.137.192.232]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNBI0-0003IT-9c for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:11:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 31915 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2007 18:11:18 +0100 Received: from ip56530916.direct-adsl.nl (HELO Teco) (86.83.9.22) by server9.hosting2go.nl with SMTP; 2 Mar 2007 18:11:18 +0100 From: "Teco Boot" To: "'Alexandru Petrescu'" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:11:52 +0100 Message-ID: <005501c75ced$f1977cf0$0202a8c0@Teco> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: AAAAADjdVTPUEM1Dtq7I+AbzzyCk+iAA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acdc6ETQ0dBGPGxSRcePJ01wwnEjpAAANsow X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: nemo@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org, manemo@mobileip.jp, 'Monami6 WG' Subject: [nemo] RE: WPF syndrome and MONAMI6 (was: [manet] RE: draft-boot-manet-nemo-analysis-00.txt) X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Alexandry wrote: > Based on this comparison, do you think that WPF syndrome is related to > the (H1, Cn) MONAMI6 Scenario? Or to another MONAMI6 Scenario? Or not > at all to MONAMI6? [Teco] In MIP / NEMO, the egress interface is used to reach HA/CN. In MANET & MANEMO, there is the concept of the MANET interface. Both have the WPF problem. Problem can occur also when multiple router interfaces are used, but metrics on interface by interface basis can be used. MONAMI6 could have the WPF problem, but there could also be the assumption that there is only one wireless hop to the backbone and the backbone has large BW related to the wireless hop. Using local L2 metrics can be sufficient in this case. Selecting the best neighbor / next hop by MIP / NEMO where multiple wireless hops are used, the WPF problem can occur as I described. MANEMO tree discovery RA-TIO mechanisms could be used for selecting the best (or worst) neighbor by all nodes, thus including hosts. Just picking one ignoring any metric is gambling. From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 02 14:21:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNDJD-000484-T7; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:20:51 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNDJC-00047t-2m for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:20:50 -0500 Received: from server9.hosting2go.nl ([83.137.192.232]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HNDJA-0006HH-Iy for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:20:50 -0500 Received: (qmail 15698 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2007 20:13:53 +0100 Received: from ip56530916.direct-adsl.nl (HELO Teco) (86.83.9.22) by server9.hosting2go.nl with SMTP; 2 Mar 2007 20:13:53 +0100 From: "Teco Boot" To: "'Joe Macker'" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 20:14:26 +0100 Message-ID: <005901c75cff$107d2000$0202a8c0@Teco> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: AAAAADjdVTPUEM1Dtq7I+AbzzyAE/CAA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdUK8k+A7SiZOnzTwa3CZBk2ogGYAFdmJqAAMA7VyAAFTXi0AABUptQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: nemo@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org, manemo@mobileip.jp Subject: [nemo] RE: [manet] RE: draft-boot-manet-nemo-analysis-00.txt X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Joe wrote: > Cost-based metrics, not necessarily hop count, for many real world MANET > protocols (e.g., OLSR, MANET-OSPF) have been demonstrated. There is also > a > Min-Max path selection problem which you do not discuss that would occur > in > more complex topologies. > [Teco] I test in a life testbed, with OSPF / others. It is almost a perfect copy of real deployment. As long as there is not a dynamic (L2 based) metric on a per neighbor basis, the WPF syndrome occurs. And no working solution yet. OLSR-ETX would be a candidate mechanism. Jari Arkko asked us focussing on the (MANEMO) problem statement and not on solutions. And he did not agree there is a need for L2 metrics. I will check Min-Max. 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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C75E69.7C1C3970-- From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 04 22:44:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HO47D-0004l2-DY; Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:43:59 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HO47C-0004kl-H8 for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:43:58 -0500 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HO477-00048L-RR for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:43:58 -0500 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l36so2084957nfa for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2007 19:43:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=fBlPf4SnIDsw6zqG/VnsbZrYK03p5pcrkNIiqqCVjjXuJELTyHdCvTNpI6CL+jOrJRdm0hwABm+3Q9cXZ9Ptsvm+h3rXNsZRWOCFGmh+sKczDWd+2GSOaucqVzojgpP49Vj6Be0s3lG38/lWHsHc3scFBDEg8srr7+7nv9jhy8A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=G1sYL8dsSutuKhHo6BZTjxrldbrnVdLvvKOIoFqoDNa/U6ldsz/nC0QW/KlzSjZeZZwNZHCqaK84hsSQRp9vUyVQ6Uph2Qpnn3Xgz9/w+R8XMkMRkSigQtsZCW9tOSEzEcP8mxAOP4GuhCqZOJbFi+NN0ssBaXaL6L8WAQnugUU= Received: by 10.78.180.18 with SMTP id c18mr571952huf.1173066232752; Sun, 04 Mar 2007 19:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.159.2 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:43:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:43:52 +0900 From: "Joo-Chul Kevin Lee" To: netlmm@ietf.org, nemo@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_74164_31588486.1173066232705" X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c54bc2f42d02429833c0ca4b8725abd7 Cc: Subject: [nemo] [NEMO, NetLMM] for comments : The Problem Statements for NEMO in NetLMM domains X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org ------=_Part_74164_31588486.1173066232705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear folks. I submitted a new internet-draft "The Problem Statements for NEMO in NetLMM domains". I think if the home network of a mobile router belongs to the NetLMM domain and the mobile router moves in the NetLMM domain the MAG can't handle packets sent by nodes attached to the mobile network. because the MAG may not know how to handle the packets based on the mobile network prefix allocated to the mobile network. (the MAG knows how to handle packets based on the prefix allocated to the mobile router) Comments are welcomed for this draft. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt Abstract: The NetLMM protocol provides local mobility to the mobile node without requiring any modification of mobile node. The NetLMM domain provides this service by maintaining forwarding state for the mobile node's prefix. In case that the mobile node is a mobile router in the NetLMM home network the NetLMM domain may not have the forwarding state for the mobile network prefix, so it can't forward packets from nodes within the mobile network, that is to say, existing NetLMM protocols do not consider mobile routers enough. Best regards, J. Lee ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Mar 1, 2007 5:50 AM Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : The Problem Statements for NEMO in NetLMM domains Author(s) : D. Kaspar, J. Lee Filename : draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2007-2-28 The NetLMM protocol provides local mobility to the mobile node without requiring any modification of mobile node. The NetLMM domain provides this service by maintaining forwarding state for the mobile node's prefix. In case that the mobile node is a mobile router in the home network the NetLMM domain may not have the forwarding state for the mobile network prefix, so it can't forward packets from nodes within the mobile network, that is to say, existing NetLMM protocols do not consider mobile routers enough. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+ Joo-Chul Kevin Lee (ETRI) Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute. 161 Kajong-dong, Yusong-Gu, TAEJON, 305-350, KOREA E-mail : rune@etri.re.kr/jooch.lee@gmail.com Tel : +82-042-860-1021 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------=_Part_74164_31588486.1173066232705 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear folks.

I submitted a new internet-draft "The Problem Statements for NEMO in NetLMM domains".

I think if the home network of a mobile router belongs to the NetLMM domain
and the mobile router moves in the NetLMM domain the MAG can't handle packets
sent by nodes attached to the mobile network.

because the MAG may not know how to handle the packets based on
the mobile network prefix allocated to the mobile network. (the MAG
knows how to handle packets based on the prefix allocated to the
mobile router)

Comments are welcomed for this draft.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt


Abstract:
   The NetLMM protocol provides local mobility to the mobile node
   without requiring any modification of mobile node.  The NetLMM domain
   provides this service by maintaining forwarding state for the mobile
   node's prefix.  In case that the mobile node is a mobile router in
   the NetLMM home network the NetLMM domain may not have the forwarding state
   for the mobile network prefix, so it can't forward packets from nodes
   within the mobile network, that is to say, existing NetLMM protocols
   do not consider mobile routers enough.

Best regards,
J. Lee

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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        Title           : The Problem Statements for NEMO in NetLMM domains
        Author(s)       : D. Kaspar, J. Lee
        Filename        : draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt
        Pages           : 13
        Date            : 2007-2-28

   The NetLMM protocol provides local mobility to the mobile node
   without requiring any modification of mobile node.  The NetLMM domain
   provides this service by maintaining forwarding state for the mobile
   node's prefix.  In case that the mobile node is a mobile router in
   the home network the NetLMM domain may not have the forwarding state
   for the mobile network prefix, so it can't forward packets from nodes
   within the mobile network, that is to say, existing NetLMM protocols
   do not consider mobile routers enough.


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Joo-Chul Kevin Lee (ETRI)
Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute.
161 Kajong-dong, Yusong-Gu, TAEJON, 305-350, KOREA
E-mail : rune@etri.re.kr/jooch.lee@gmail.com Tel : +82-042-860-1021
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------=_Part_74164_31588486.1173066232705-- From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 05 03:49:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HO8sO-0007TL-80; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 03:49:00 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HO8sM-0007T1-4F; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 03:48:58 -0500 Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com ([216.82.241.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HO8sK-0006QY-Sl; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 03:48:58 -0500 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1173084536!9454556!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7.1; banners=.,-,- X-Originating-IP: [129.188.136.8] Received: (qmail 14018 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2007 08:48:56 -0000 Received: from motgate8.mot.com (HELO motgate8.mot.com) (129.188.136.8) by server-7.tower-119.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2007 08:48:56 -0000 Received: from il06exr03.mot.com (il06exr03.mot.com [129.188.137.133]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with ESMTP id l258mQfC014857; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 01:48:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.161.201.117] (zfr01-2117.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.117]) by il06exr03.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l258mB8d017192; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 02:48:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45EBD93F.30103@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:47:59 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Teco Boot References: <005501c75ced$f1977cf0$0202a8c0@Teco> In-Reply-To: <005501c75ced$f1977cf0$0202a8c0@Teco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: nemo@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org, manemo@mobileip.jp, 'Monami6 WG' Subject: [nemo] Re: WPF syndrome and MONAMI6 X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Teco Boot wrote: > Alexandry wrote: >> Based on this comparison, do you think that WPF syndrome is related >> to the (H1, Cn) MONAMI6 Scenario? Or to another MONAMI6 Scenario? >> Or not at all to MONAMI6? > > [Teco] In MIP / NEMO, the egress interface is used to reach HA/CN. > > In MANET & MANEMO, there is the concept of the MANET interface. Both > have the WPF problem. If I understand you correctly both MIP/NEMO and MANET&MANEMO have the WPF issue, I agree. Could we relay the WPF problem to MONAMI6 group to be included in the multhoming issues document? I support that. > Problem can occur also when multiple router interfaces are used, but > metrics on interface by interface basis can be used. > > MONAMI6 could have the WPF problem, but there could also be the > assumption that there is only one wireless hop to the backbone and > the backbone has large BW related to the wireless hop. Using local L2 > metrics can be sufficient in this case. > > Selecting the best neighbor / next hop by MIP / NEMO where multiple > wireless hops are used, the WPF problem can occur as I described. I agree it can appear. > MANEMO tree discovery RA-TIO mechanisms could be used for selecting > the best (or worst) neighbor by all nodes, thus including hosts. Just > picking one ignoring any metric is gambling. Doesn't OSPF provide metrics in its LSAs (Link State Advertisements) that can help a router select the best metric at it sees fit? I think it does. What's the difference between MANEMO TD RA-TIO and OSPF LSAs? I think in MANEMO we care about routers not about hosts? This should be threaded separately. Alex ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 05 05:19:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOAHA-0007xb-6R; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 05:18:40 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOAH7-0007tf-9U; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 05:18:38 -0500 Received: from mail153.messagelabs.com ([216.82.253.51]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOAH3-0004D1-RL; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 05:18:37 -0500 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-153.messagelabs.com!1173089912!1222556!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7.1; banners=.,-,- X-Originating-IP: [129.188.136.8] Received: (qmail 390 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2007 10:18:32 -0000 Received: from motgate8.mot.com (HELO motgate8.mot.com) (129.188.136.8) by server-9.tower-153.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2007 10:18:32 -0000 Received: from il06exr03.mot.com (il06exr03.mot.com [129.188.137.133]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with ESMTP id l25AIN0R007842; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 03:18:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.161.201.117] (zfr01-2117.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.117]) by il06exr03.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l25AILX9023636; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 04:18:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45EBEE68.40402@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 11:18:16 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Teco Boot References: <005501c75ced$f1977cf0$0202a8c0@Teco> In-Reply-To: <005501c75ced$f1977cf0$0202a8c0@Teco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Cc: nemo@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org, manemo@mobileip.jp, 'Monami6 WG' Subject: [nemo] Re: Choose one nexthop before choosing best nexthop X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Teco Boot wrote: > > Selecting the best neighbor / next hop by MIP / NEMO where multiple > wireless hops are used, the WPF problem can occur as I described. > MANEMO tree discovery RA-TIO mechanisms could be used for selecting > the best (or worst) neighbor by all nodes, thus including hosts. Just > picking one ignoring any metric is gambling. I think before having the luxury to choose among better next hops we must have the modest feature to choose at least one next hop, ie simply to route for best effort. TD RA-TIOs (Tree Discovery Router Advertisements - Tree Information Options) don't advertise prefixes. So whereas RA-TIOs may prove good at selecting among candidates in a tree they don't offer a means to simply choose the nexthop. Neither the NINA nor the TD drafts have prefixes in RA-TIOs. What do you think. Alex > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 05 17:29:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOLgi-0004Ki-Ct; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:29:48 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOKtc-0006qZ-9w for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:39:04 -0500 Received: from server9.hosting2go.nl ([83.137.192.232]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOKT7-00054t-8V for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:11:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 3149 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2007 22:04:36 +0100 Received: from ip56530916.direct-adsl.nl (HELO Teco) (86.83.9.22) by server9.hosting2go.nl with SMTP; 5 Mar 2007 22:04:35 +0100 From: "Teco Boot" To: "'Alexandru Petrescu'" Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:05:05 +0100 Message-ID: <004901c75f6a$0566e530$0202a8c0@Teco> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-index: AcdfAx0I1ieREsGdQd6NfDb84kVnDQAZFkqA In-Reply-To: <45EBD93F.30103@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: nemo@ietf.org, manet@ietf.org, manemo@mobileip.jp, 'Monami6 WG' Subject: [nemo] RE: WPF syndrome and MONAMI6 X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Alexandru wrote: > Doesn't OSPF provide metrics in its LSAs (Link State Advertisements) > that can help a router select the best metric at it sees fit? I think > it does. [Teco] OLSRv2 is still using hop count. Additions to OLSR could enhance that. OSPF, including OSPF MANET is using cost based metric. For network types P2P and P2MP a metric can be set for each neighbor. OSPF MANET-interface is P2MP. Example in draft-chandra-ospf-manet-ext-04 (section 3.1.2.1 Router LSAs) shows selective metrics, this would be a solution for WPF. draft-ogier-manet-ospf-extension-08.txt is similar. The question is how to update the metric dynamicly, this requires an L2 API. Or count missed hellos / LSA retransmits etc. The question is adopting this mechanism by oyther MANET protocols, for example by TD and use RA-TIO path metric instead of hop count? And do we need rules for actual metric values set? From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sat Mar 10 09:08:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ2Ec-0003Fx-Ad; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:07:46 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ2Eb-0003FF-HX for nemo@ietf.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:07:45 -0500 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.235]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ2Ea-00029q-9n for nemo@ietf.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:07:45 -0500 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id z6so865203nzd for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 06:07:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=oKGSM+TZqZ1DgauVDSVcbd09falnjcUL4VzDA5Q1BDxH9YLZbu391GkbuBQ5NOy5rQFSYM72ORE2l3i8YfVUCsqQXByYJGmWX2UGpo9GiDc/hVXpWykQlqlK78NBF1yoAvlzGlmQVvFC27q/p8SsqNjy3hiXIb80nxuLWVbk+W8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pvm4Hk5rOtPHuCVvannjcM7v6EMmS2PN7X3vee8beZ0ycb9eH8KWEq7HHxwi3Cxz4KK3hDbDwGDKSuoJvW2728H21SXs0wfzz6lUOJ4aCmQbVJ7oKJxDH5Er5uge1MGU3qpcJEcmGQbTQfYFEeZLpCXTTTVgW795EF2NIDRheIw= Received: by 10.35.114.16 with SMTP id r16mr6267860pym.1173535663633; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 06:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.1.199? ( [219.110.220.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id x56sm7031940pyg.2007.03.10.06.07.41; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 06:07:43 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RYUJI WAKIKAWA Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:07:09 +0900 To: mip6@ietf.org, nemo@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: Subject: [nemo] NDP operation on virtual home link X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hello all, We recently publish draft-wakikawa-mip6-no-ndp-00.txt. http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-wakikawa-mip6-no-ndp-00.txt Abstract This document summarizes operations of home agent without using the proxy NDP. The Proxy NDP is mainly used to intercept packets by a Home Agent on Mobile IPv6 and NEMO. We intend to submit this document as an informational doc. regards, ryuji From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 11 12:46:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQRAj-0007Kt-Ao; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:45:25 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQRAh-0007Kj-CQ for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:45:23 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.170]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQRAe-0002qu-3S for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:45:23 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 72so1860627ugd for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:45:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=WxcpJOSEbzbP9Junn7BH1ll6xByWlPEdGqUq10G15jFr0pYJJsCDnhQPSendWRgwDclcZ18ZcVGyUSxD+nFpEhq3GTi1kiOn956gO5ApZYRv82+hkI6CqIMnRRPpR6QFJ5oc7SeL/K1ee3tEssdT6tpcpCOT1CwN8CsfLHhOb60= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Wh47cqWwgNqqwyVKEi2YOwFp30Aiu4XoV+UhlYvF5IZVoxysEF3fJbji6Ae97vwXF1TcbVd2pdS1CfHHD4YGDVboxpn+VnJ0HjtAxFbEjhjckFkCcsL3woEtmQY3EZqZ3SoiweEJyc2QK0SMi0XILCGArc0PZgfd1Y9jJPV25uw= Received: by 10.114.208.8 with SMTP id f8mr926598wag.1173631518208; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.78.6 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33db0d640703110945m2a61ddbet4199d58ca2ff8dcc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:15:17 +0530 From: "pankaj kumar" To: nemo@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21732_27317597.1173631517953" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Subject: [nemo] Home Agent(HA) on Mobile IPv6 and NEMO. X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org ------=_Part_21732_27317597.1173631517953 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi i am new to nemo,,, i am facing problem which is how to decide the home agent(HA) ? and what would be the location of HA of MR ? thanks for reply ------=_Part_21732_27317597.1173631517953 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi
i am new to nemo,,, i am facing problem which is how to decide the home agent(HA) ? and what would be the location of HA of MR ?
thanks for reply

------=_Part_21732_27317597.1173631517953-- From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 13 06:48:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HR4X8-00081l-2D; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 06:47:10 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HR4X7-0007zt-0d; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 06:47:09 -0400 Received: from mail128.messagelabs.com ([216.82.250.131]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HR4X4-0001Gs-04; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 06:47:08 -0400 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-128.messagelabs.com!1173782822!4332095!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7.1; banners=.,-,- X-Originating-IP: [129.188.136.8] Received: (qmail 18133 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2007 10:47:02 -0000 Received: from motgate8.mot.com (HELO motgate8.mot.com) (129.188.136.8) by server-15.tower-128.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2007 10:47:02 -0000 Received: from az33exr02.mot.com ([10.64.251.232]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with ESMTP id l2DAl1AJ013847; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.161.194.41] (ZFR01-2117.ea.mot.com [10.161.194.41]) by az33exr02.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l2DAkv50008847; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:46:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45F68120.7070509@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:46:56 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joo-Chul Kevin Lee References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0cff8c3ec906d056784362c06f5f88c1 Cc: nemo@ietf.org, netlmm@ietf.org Subject: [nemo] Re: The Problem Statements for NEMO in NetLMM domains X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Joo-Chul, here are preliminary comments. I think the Problem Statement NEMO for NETLMM is definitely worth the effort. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt Joo-Chul Kevin Lee wrote: > Dear folks. > > I submitted a new internet-draft "The Problem Statements for NEMO in > NetLMM domains". > > I think if the home network of a mobile router belongs to the NetLMM > domain and the mobile router moves in the NetLMM domain the MAG can't > handle packets sent by nodes attached to the mobile network. > > because the MAG may not know how to handle the packets based on the > mobile network prefix allocated to the mobile network. (the MAG knows > how to handle packets based on the prefix allocated to the mobile > router) I think that is right. If the PMA (HA) and MAG (AR) use Proxy Mobile IPv6, as in draft-sgundave, then I think there are issues about how the CN-to-LFN packets are encapsulated. Normally, a MIPv6 HA would encapsulate a packet once towards MR. With Proxy MIP6 there would be a need for double encapsulation, once towards AR and once towards MR. this NEMO NETLMM ps draft says: > [netlmm-goals] describes the goals (or requirements) for NetLMM. > Section 3.7 "Support for Unmodified Mobile Nodes (Goal #7)" of > [netlmm-goals] says that the NetLMM solution should be able to > support any mobile node without requiring localized mobility > management software on the mobile node. In this context, the mobile > node can be an ordinary host or a node that has some kind of global > mobility protocol. Can we say that the mobile node can be a Mobile Router that runs NEMOv6? this NEMO NETLMM ps draft says: > The NetLMM protocol has two principal functional entities, which are > called MAG (Mobile Access Gateway) and LMA (Local Mobility Anchor). > The LMA maintains a collection of routes for individual mobile nodes > and it will be used while the mobile node moves around in the NetLMM > domain. The route information that the LMA keeps is, however, only > for the packets based on the subnet prefix allocated to the mobile > node itself. Thus, if a mobile router joins the NetLMM domain as a > home network and moves around among MAGs that belong to the NetLMM > domain a MAG may not know how to handle the packets from nodes > attached to the mobile router because there is no way to inform the > MAG and LMA of the mobile network prefix. Can we refine the problem. And try to illustrate a packet from CN to LFN and what are the needed encapsulations. Can we talk about ingress filtering. What happens if a MR forwards a packet from its LFN towards CN through the AR? The src address of that packet is LFN's address. Is that packet ingress-filtered by AR? Is there a risk for that? Alex > > Comments are welcomed for this draft. > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt > > > > > Abstract: The NetLMM protocol provides local mobility to the mobile > node without requiring any modification of mobile node. The NetLMM > domain provides this service by maintaining forwarding state for the > mobile node's prefix. In case that the mobile node is a mobile > router in the NetLMM home network the NetLMM domain may not have the > forwarding state for the mobile network prefix, so it can't forward > packets from nodes within the mobile network, that is to say, > existing NetLMM protocols do not consider mobile routers enough. > > Best regards, J. Lee > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: > *Internet-Drafts@ietf.org * > > Date: > Mar 1, 2007 5:50 AM Subject: I-D ACTION: > draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : The Problem Statements for NEMO in NetLMM domains > Author(s) : D. Kaspar, J. Lee Filename : > draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt Pages : 13 Date > : 2007-2-28 > > The NetLMM protocol provides local mobility to the mobile node > without requiring any modification of mobile node. The NetLMM domain > provides this service by maintaining forwarding state for the mobile > node's prefix. In case that the mobile node is a mobile router in > the home network the NetLMM domain may not have the forwarding state > for the mobile network prefix, so it can't forward packets from nodes > within the mobile network, that is to say, existing NetLMM protocols > do not consider mobile routers enough. > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt > > > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org > with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also > visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change > your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get > draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt". > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org . In > the body type: "FILE > /internet-drafts/draft-lee-netlmm-nemo-ps-00.txt". > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the > document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use > this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a > MIME-compliant mail reader. 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For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 14 09:58:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRTyO-0001iw-Ko; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:57:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRTyN-0001YQ-CJ for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:56:59 -0400 Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com ([216.82.241.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRTyM-0002vl-1m for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:56:59 -0400 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1173880617!22220273!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7.1; banners=.,-,- X-Originating-IP: [129.188.136.8] Received: (qmail 7340 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2007 13:56:57 -0000 Received: from motgate8.mot.com (HELO motgate8.mot.com) (129.188.136.8) by server-12.tower-119.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2007 13:56:57 -0000 Received: from il06exr01.mot.com (il06exr01.mot.com [129.188.137.131]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with ESMTP id l2EDuuR9021877 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:56:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.161.201.117] (zfr01-2117.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.117]) by il06exr01.mot.com (8.13.5/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l2EDutkM016613 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:56:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45F7FF26.8070402@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:56:54 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nemo@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6d95a152022472c7d6cdf886a0424dc6 Subject: [nemo] Re:Comments on draft-ietf-nemo-mib-02.txt X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi Sri, I have some comments on the NEMO-MIB draft, a WG item. Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > Title : NEMO Management Information Base > Author(s) : S. Gundavelli, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-nemo-mib-02.txt > Pages : 34 > Date : 2006-10-25 > > This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB), > the network mobility support (NEMO) MIB, for use with network > management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, the > NEMO MIB will be used to monitor and control a mobile ipv6 node with > NEMO functionality. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-mib-02.txt > nemoActiveRoamingIfIndex OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX InterfaceIndex > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "The interface index of the current active > roaming interface. > " > REFERENCE > "RFC3963 : Section 5.5" > ::= { nemoSystem 14 } Can we call it "egress" interface, instead of "roaming" interface, because rfc3963 nemov6 and NEMOv4 draft in MIP4 WG both call it "egress" interface. > nemoDynamicHADiscovery OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX TruthValue > MAX-ACCESS read-write > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "This object indicates whether or not the mobile > router should attempt to make dynamic home agent > address discovery(DHAAD). > " > ::= { nemoRegistration 5 } Can we have a related OBJECT-TYPE that flags the use of DHAAD upon each handover. I mean, a flag value would enforce performing DHAAD upon each new CoA obtention, another flag value would enforce perfoming DHAAD now only (not upon each handover time). Is this something feasible? Or needed at all? I need such kind of conditioning of the DHAAD behaviour in my implementation. > nemoHomeNetworkPrefixTable OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX SEQUENCE OF NemoHomeNetworkPrefixEntry > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "A table representing the potential home networks > that the mobile router can use > " > ::= { nemoRegistration 12 } Who would use this table and where? On MR? Who fills it? DHCP? > nemoPrefixTable OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX SEQUENCE OF NemoPrefixEntry > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "A table representing the NEMO prefixes. > " > ::= { nemoConfiguration 2 } I think this table should also contain the Home Address for each Home Network Prefix, no? All MIB entries for the Prefix Table don't seem to include the HoA, am I right. > nemoOpNotSupported OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Counter32 > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "The total number of Binding Update requests > rejected by the home agent with status code in the > Binding Acknowledgement indicating > 'Mobile Router Operation not permitted' > (Code 140). Can we call this nemoOpNotPermitted instead of notSupported, to reflect the IANA number name better. > [RFC3775] Johnson, D., Perkins, C. and Arkko J., Mobility Support in > IPv6q RFC 3775, June 2004. Typo q. Finally, what would you think about doing same kind of document but for MIP4 WG (who does NEMOv4). This MIB-NEMOv6 has several IPv6-related text that could be changed for IPv4 relatively easily (I think?). Thanks, Alex ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 15 02:43:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRjfR-0005Am-5a; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:42:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRjfP-00056r-7k for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:42:27 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRjfN-0001zU-KB for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:42:27 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Mar 2007 23:42:25 -0700 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2F6gPpe013399; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:42:25 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2F6gPEi015108; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:42:25 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:42:24 -0700 Received: from sgundavewxp ([10.32.246.211]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:42:24 -0700 From: "Sri Gundavelli" To: "'Alexandru Petrescu'" , References: <45F7FF26.8070402@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [nemo] Re:Comments on draft-ietf-nemo-mib-02.txt Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:42:24 -0700 Message-ID: <008101c766cd$172b21e0$4b716b80@amer.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-reply-to: <45F7FF26.8070402@gmail.com> thread-index: AcdmQWzxnRuAU69mQzKsnUErLpze+QAir98A X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2007 06:42:24.0577 (UTC) FILETIME=[1721D310:01C766CD] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=4785; t=1173940945; x=1174804945; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=sgundave@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Sri=20Gundavelli=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[nemo]=20Re=3AComments=20on=20draft-ietf-nemo-mib-02. txt |Sender:=20; bh=/9o59VlbbylYSVjuZ/xvmJstXnw0c2Tr4EVxB1SWc1M=; b=S9W2K7nM3L4I3Dr5Vf8sHLhU3QRCt38N2UwehlHu0QV8TJydzaSuV1EiObWhU8G8qI36roMQ 7WUGP/NXjJ/HNmgk4J7iNzCY6su5vWdjGKz3wQeUerPb3iNYc2Dfu+oP; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=sgundave@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21bf7a2f1643ae0bf20c1e010766eb78 Cc: X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi Alex, -----Original Message----- From: Alexandru Petrescu [mailto:alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:57 AM To: nemo@ietf.org Subject: [nemo] Re:Comments on draft-ietf-nemo-mib-02.txt Hi Sri, I have some comments on the NEMO-MIB draft, a WG item. Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > Title : NEMO Management Information Base > Author(s) : S. Gundavelli, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-nemo-mib-02.txt > Pages : 34 > Date : 2006-10-25 > > This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB), > the network mobility support (NEMO) MIB, for use with network > management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, the > NEMO MIB will be used to monitor and control a mobile ipv6 node with > NEMO functionality. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-mib-02.txt > nemoActiveRoamingIfIndex OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX InterfaceIndex > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "The interface index of the current active > roaming interface. > " > REFERENCE > "RFC3963 : Section 5.5" > ::= { nemoSystem 14 } Can we call it "egress" interface, instead of "roaming" interface, because rfc3963 nemov6 and NEMOv4 draft in MIP4 WG both call it "egress" interface. [Sri] Ok. > nemoDynamicHADiscovery OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX TruthValue > MAX-ACCESS read-write > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "This object indicates whether or not the mobile > router should attempt to make dynamic home agent > address discovery(DHAAD). > " > ::= { nemoRegistration 5 } Can we have a related OBJECT-TYPE that flags the use of DHAAD upon each handover. I mean, a flag value would enforce performing DHAAD upon each new CoA obtention, another flag value would enforce perfoming DHAAD now only (not upon each handover time). Is this something feasible? Or needed at all? I need such kind of conditioning of the DHAAD behaviour in my implementation. [Sri] Possible. Too many knobs. But, we can do that. > nemoHomeNetworkPrefixTable OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX SEQUENCE OF NemoHomeNetworkPrefixEntry > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "A table representing the potential home networks > that the mobile router can use > " > ::= { nemoRegistration 12 } Who would use this table and where? On MR? Who fills it? DHCP? [Sri] Plan to remove it. Its a feature, but we decided to remove this. > nemoPrefixTable OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX SEQUENCE OF NemoPrefixEntry > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "A table representing the NEMO prefixes. > " > ::= { nemoConfiguration 2 } I think this table should also contain the Home Address for each Home Network Prefix, no? All MIB entries for the Prefix Table don't seem to include the HoA, am I right. [Sri] Why should the HoA be prefix specific. The MIB is on the MR and so there is only one HoA, per-3963. > nemoOpNotSupported OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Counter32 > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "The total number of Binding Update requests > rejected by the home agent with status code in the > Binding Acknowledgement indicating > 'Mobile Router Operation not permitted' > (Code 140). Can we call this nemoOpNotPermitted instead of notSupported, to reflect the IANA number name better. [Sri] Ok. > [RFC3775] Johnson, D., Perkins, C. and Arkko J., Mobility Support in > IPv6q RFC 3775, June 2004. Typo q. [Sri] Sure. Will fix it. Finally, what would you think about doing same kind of document but for MIP4 WG (who does NEMOv4). This MIB-NEMOv6 has several IPv6-related text that could be changed for IPv4 relatively easily (I think?). [Sri] There is a 2206bis ...may be it can go there. You should talk to those authors. Thanks for the review. Sri From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 15 05:43:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRmTb-0004w3-Jy; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:42:27 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRmTa-0004vf-KK for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:42:26 -0400 Received: from [2001:660:7301:3192:211:43ff:fea3:7e4b] (helo=laposte.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRmTL-0008VF-26 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:42:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by laposte.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (8.13.7/8.13.7/2006.08.14) with ESMTP id l2F9gAlJ020408 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:42:10 +0100 Received: from l2.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (l2.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr [192.44.77.4]) by laposte.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (8.13.7/8.13.7/2006.08.14) with ESMTP id l2F9g6LX020398 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:42:06 +0100 Received: from [192.44.77.154] (dhcpe154.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr [192.44.77.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by l2.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2F9g5po016638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:42:06 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: nemo@ietf.org From: Mathieu Peresse Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:42:01 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at enst-bretagne.fr X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Subject: [nemo] NEMO MIB - Missing OIDs ? X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I went through the draft describing nemo's MIB (ietf-nemo-mib-02.txt) and I noticed an inconsistency (actually, the software did ;)). In the Conformance information part, in the nemoStatsGroup OBJECT- GROUP two OBJECTS are listed but their description is missing in the nemoStats group: "nemoBindingUpdates" and "nemoBindingAcks" (page 28). Were those 2 OBJECTS there before and then planned to be removed from the MIB, or are their descriptions just missing in the nemoStats group ? Thanks, Mathieu. From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 15 07:07:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRnhO-0007pw-KC; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:00:46 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRngy-0007e4-MA for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:00:20 -0400 Received: from mail153.messagelabs.com ([216.82.253.51]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRnco-0000ee-S0 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:56:04 -0400 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-153.messagelabs.com!1173956161!4951866!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7.1; banners=.,-,- X-Originating-IP: [129.188.136.8] Received: (qmail 30223 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2007 10:56:01 -0000 Received: from motgate8.mot.com (HELO motgate8.mot.com) (129.188.136.8) by server-7.tower-153.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2007 10:56:01 -0000 Received: from il06exr03.mot.com (il06exr03.mot.com [129.188.137.133]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with ESMTP id l2FAu16u015413; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 03:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.161.201.117] (zfr01-2117.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.117]) by il06exr03.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l2FAu0TH023605; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:56:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45F9263F.9000302@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:55:59 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sri Gundavelli Subject: Re: [nemo] Re:Comments on draft-ietf-nemo-mib-02.txt References: <45F7FF26.8070402@gmail.com> <008101c766cd$172b21e0$4b716b80@amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <008101c766cd$172b21e0$4b716b80@amer.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bdc523f9a54890b8a30dd6fd53d5d024 Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sri Gundavelli wrote: [skpped what we agree - thanks] >> nemoDynamicHADiscovery OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX TruthValue >> MAX-ACCESS read-write STATUS current DESCRIPTION "This object >> indicates whether or not the mobile router should attempt to make >> dynamic home agent address discovery(DHAAD). " ::= { >> nemoRegistration 5 } > > Can we have a related OBJECT-TYPE that flags the use of DHAAD upon > each handover. I mean, a flag value would enforce performing DHAAD > upon each new CoA obtention, another flag value would enforce > perfoming DHAAD now only (not upon each handover time). Is this > something feasible? Or needed at all? I need such kind of > conditioning of the DHAAD behaviour in my implementation. > > > [Sri] Possible. Too many knobs. But, we can do that. Yes, I have that general feeling too, of too many knobs. But this one is particularly relevant. AFAIK, in no document is it specified _when_ to do DHAAD: at each handover, or only at specific times (which? bootstrap, etc). I can achieve this with a config file, not necessarily MIB. But using MIB has other advantages (existing remote clients, etc). So I'd prefer having only one place to do all NEMO config, that's why I write about MIB. You may think differently... >> nemoPrefixTable OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX SEQUENCE OF >> NemoPrefixEntry MAX-ACCESS not-accessible STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION "A table representing the NEMO prefixes. " ::= { >> nemoConfiguration 2 } > > I think this table should also contain the Home Address for each Home > Network Prefix, no? All MIB entries for the Prefix Table don't seem > to include the HoA, am I right. > > > [Sri] Why should the HoA be prefix specific. The MIB is on the MR and > so there is only one HoA, per-3963. Ok, for each HoA there is one or several Prefixes. But the entry above talks only Prefixes, not HoA. The Prefix Table contains prefixes, and for each prefix there is at least one HoA. One prefix in the Prefix Table must be linked somehow (in configuration) to a HoA. If this is achieved by other-than-MIB mechanism then I'm fine. In my configuration file one entry in the Prefix Table looks like this: MNP1 MNP2 HoA Which means MNP1 and MNP2 are 'linked' to that HoA, so that the security check can happen. > Finally, what would you think about doing same kind of document but > for MIP4 WG (who does NEMOv4). This MIB-NEMOv6 has several > IPv6-related text that could be changed for IPv4 relatively easily (I > think?). > > [Sri] There is a 2206bis ...may be it can go there. You should talk > to those authors. You mean rfc2006? MIB for IP Mobility using SMIv2? Which 'bis' draft should I search? draft-sjostrand-mip4-udptunnel-mib-01.txt? Thanks, I'll ask on the MIP4 list. Alex ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 16 09:41:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSCev-0007ud-Tp; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:39:53 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSCeu-0007tj-D6; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:39:52 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSCes-0007rF-VL; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:39:52 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0253198721; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:39:33 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0B919871E; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:39:33 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <45FA925A.8020601@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:49:30 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mobile IPv6 Mailing List , Monami6 Mailing List , Nemo Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: Internet Area Subject: [nemo] reorganization of Mobile IPv6 related working groups X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jari Arkko , Internet Area List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, We are planning to reorganize the MIP6, MONAMI6, and NEMO working groups in the Internet Area. The idea is to merge these three groups, all of which work around the Mobile IPv6 protocol and its extensions. The merge will not happen immediately, but around the IETF69 time frame when MIP6 has completed a few more of its work items, MONAMI6 has submitted its main specification, and NEMO has gotten on its way with its newly chartered work. The resulting working group will be bigger, but still committed to completing work on all three aspects, i.e., base features, support for multiple care-of addresses, and network mobility. The chartered work items or their planned delivery dates will not be changed because of this. The reasons why we are making this change include - Putting most of work around Mobile IPv6 and its extensions into one place, reducing the need to coordinate, and making it easier for new people and outsiders to see where this work is happening. - The bigger group makes it easier to find reviewers, and have a complete picture of how the protocol is being extended. - Provide a better ability to prioritize work and maybe add some competition for resources. - Easier management for the ADs, needing to deal with one instead of three groups. - Make room in the meeting schedule and area for BOFs and new groups. I have groups meeting at the same time in Prague, for instance. - This is a good time for this change in the lifecycle of the three groups. The detailed implementation of this change will take place in the coming months, but we wanted to give everyone a heads-up that this is going to happen. And an opportunity for comments, we do appreciate feedback on this and other issues relating to the management of the area. Speaking of comments -- this note goes out to a number of lists, but please direct further discussion to myself and the int-area list. Jari and Mark From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sat Mar 17 21:00:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSjkF-0000CQ-CQ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:59:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSjkD-0000C8-Mp for nemo@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:59:33 -0400 Received: from discorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.38]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSjfk-0006HQ-Hq for nemo@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:55:00 -0400 Received: from iseran-2.local (vir78-1-87-88-164-205.dsl.club-internet.fr [87.88.164.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by discorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2I0sq83027909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:54:53 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:55:12 +0100 From: Thierry Ernst To: ml-nemo Message-Id: <20070318015512.1cb8d182.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.3 (GTK+ 2.10.6; powerpc-apple-darwin8.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at discorde with ID 45FC8DDC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Subject: [nemo] NEMO WG Agenda X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, Here is the NEMO WG agenda as of today. We have 2 times 1-hour slot. The 1st hour is devoted to WG status updates and the use case requirements as required by the new charter under set up, whereas the 2nd slot is devoted to the RO issues met in the MANEMO context. However, note that: 1. the session on the Aeronautic use case might be compromised. 2. we have not yet collected any input for the Personal Mobile Router use case. NEMO WG meeting Agenda, IETF68 March 18-23 2007 Prague Chairs: TJ Kniveton & Thierry Ernst === NEMO WG page: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/nemo-charter.html NEMO Additional Page: http://www.mobilenetworks.org/nemo/ NEMO Status Page: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/nemo/ === TUESDAY, March 20, 2007 1740-1840 Afternoon Session III & 1850-1950 Afternoon Session IV 1740-1840 Afternoon Session III 1. Welcome, agenda bashing ....................................... 05 mins Chairs 2. WG documents status .......................................... 10 mins Chairs http://tools.ietf.org/wg/nemo/ 3. WG rechartering status ........................................ 10 mins Chairs 4. Aviation Industry Requirements ................................ 15 mins ???? Terry Davis & William Ivancic Multi-Domained, Multi-Homed Mobile Networks http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ivancic-mobile-platforms-problem-00.txt Aviation Global Internet Operations Requirements http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-davis-aviationreq-00.txt 5. Automotive Industry Requirements .............................. 20 mins Roberto Baldessari C2C-C Consortium Requirements for Usage of NEMO in VANETs" http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-baldessari-c2ccc-nemo-req-00.txt 1850-1950 Afternoon Session IV 7. NEMO RO Issues & Requirements in the MANEMO Scenario Wakikawa & Thubert & Boot & Clausen Analysis of MANET and NEMO http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-boot-manet-nemo-analysis-00.txt MANEMO Problem Statement http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wakikawa-manemo-problem-statement-00.txt NEMO Route Optimisation Problem Statement http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-clausen-nemo-ro-problem-statement-01.txt FYI only ======== Solution drafts that might be useful to read -- draft-thubert-tree-discovery-04.txt -- draft-thubert-nemo-reverse-routing-header-07.txt -- draft-thubert-nina-00.txt -- draft-petrescu-manemo-nano-00.txt For more information on MANEMO -- http://www.mobileip.jp/MANEMO/MANEMO.html -- http://www.mobileip.jp/MANEMO/IETF68.html ======== -- version 2007-03-17 Thierry. From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 18 01:28:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSnux-00077G-QR; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:26:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSnuu-000774-J7 for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:26:53 -0400 Received: from web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.163]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSnut-0003iI-9M for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:26:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 82876 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2007 05:26:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m5wtlg0VM1n81IQiY7zbnFLwd9LhkmMSnyVwQCI6bWHBO8fs5T4Xi8CUnzjzId44K2WwQ_2oQTWpQeG.GLy3eWT7Eonj5ASBjGn.8.qJ5C8IJkTKfPsPrxskaM_NKtba0x.mgkgzajDREM8- Received: from [130.160.46.125] by web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:26:50 PDT X-RocketYMMF: yangxiao_acm Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:26:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Yang Xiao To: nemo@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <969441.82112.qm@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab Subject: [nemo] Journal Special Issue on Wireless Telemedicine and Applications (EURASIP Journal on Wireless Communications and Networking) X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yangxiao@ieee.org List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Journal Special Issue on Wireless Telemedicine and Applications (EURASIP Journal on Wireless Communications and Networking) http://www.hindawi.com/journals/wcn/si/telemed.html Wireless Telemedicine and Applications Call for Papers Wireless telemedicine, a growing new interdisciplinary field, calls for innovation in information and communications technology for facilitating reliable, comprehensive, and quality clinical care service at a distance. It will eventually contribute to improving the quality of healthcare of everyone. Though advances in wireless communications and networking are vital to deliver telemedicine services, they also face great challenges, for example the failure delivery of a service may end up with loss of human lives. This is the motivation behind this special issue. This special issue focuses on the novel and practical ways, but solid contributions, to improve wireless telemedicine and applications. Papers that do not focus on wireless telemedicine and applications will not be reviewed. Specific interests are (but not limited to) in the following areas: Network architectures for wireless telemedicine Mobile service platform for continuity of healthcare Complexity of wireless telemedicine systems New sensor and medical RFID technologies Network privacy and security in healthcare Wireless network research issues to support healthcare Wireless telemedicine applications Electromagnetic interference issues Signal processing techniques in wireless telemedicine systems Authors should follow the EURASIP Journal on Wireless Communications and Networking manuscript format described at the journal site http://www.hindawi.com/journals/wcn/. Prospective authors should submit an electronic copy of their complete manuscript through the EURASIP Journal on Wireless Communications and Networking's Manuscript Tracking System at http://www.hindawi.com/mts/, according to the following timetable. Manuscript Due June 1, 2007 First Round of Reviews September 1, 2007 Publication Date December 1, 2007 Guest Editors: Yang Xiao, Department of Computer Science, University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0290, USA Yi-Bing Lin, Department of Computer Science and Information Engineering, National Chiao Tung University, 30050 Hsinchu, Taiwan Ding-Zhu Du, Department of Computer Science, University of Texas at Dallas, Richardson, TX 75083, USA Hui Chen, AutoZone, Inc., IT Department, Memphis, TN 38103, USA From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 18 01:33:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSo0u-0004me-24; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:33:04 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSo0s-0004mT-Ga for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:33:02 -0400 Received: from web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.157]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSo0r-0004KC-42 for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:33:02 -0400 Received: (qmail 58201 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2007 05:33:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 93KNpX0VM1mADFSqIDb7fQVEgeT_zn.aqaJefVNNLTvj2P6xISm8GHxVkNxL_XdM7CdRpaTgpbpwjlQA0iZGdE_ZKo.A_kv.hzQUMsXB8JMIsrLBhcYk1DBLlgjo1PY4zRFYSWcztMdtQ6c- Received: from [130.160.46.125] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:33:00 PDT X-RocketYMMF: yangxiao_acm Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:33:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Yang Xiao To: nemo@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <739942.57648.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d2e37451f7f22841e3b6f40c67db0f Subject: [nemo] CFP for International Journal of Telemedicine and Applications X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yangxiao@ieee.org List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org International Journal of Telemedicine and Applications ISSN: 1687-6415 CFP Home page: ---------- http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijta/ Author info: ------------ http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijta/guidelines.html Timeline: --------- Open Calls for papers and special issue proposals: ----------------- Both special issue proposals and papers are open for submission. Scope: ------ The overall aim of the International Journal of Telemedicine and Applications is to bring together science and applications of medical practice and medical care at a distance as well as their supporting technologies such as, computing, communications, and networking technologies with emphasis on telemedicine techniques and telemedicine applications. It is directed at practicing engineers, academic researchers, as well as doctors, nurses, etc. Telemedicine is an information technology that enables doctors to perform medical consultations, diagnoses, and treatments, as well as medical education, away from patients. For example, doctors can remotely examine patients via remote viewing monitors and sound devices, and/or sampling physiological data using telecommunication. Telemedicine technology is applied to areas of emergency healthcare, videoconsulting, telecardiology, telepathology, teledermatology, teleophthalmology, teleoncology, telepsychiatry, teledentistry, etc. International Journal of Telemedicine and Applications will highlight the continued growth and new challenges in telemedicine, applications, and their supporting technologies, for both application development and basic research. Papers should emphasize original results or case studies relating to the theory and/or applications of telemedicine. Tutorial papers, especially those emphasizing multidisciplinary views of telemedicine, are also welcome. International Journal of Telemedicine and Applications employs a paperless, electronic submission and evaluation system to promote a rapid turnaround in the peer-review process. Specific interests are (but not limited to) in the following areas: Telemedicine Supporting Technologies: Network architectures for telemedicine Wireless Telemedicine Mobile service platform for continuity of healthcare Complexity of telemedicine systems New sensor and medical RFID technologies Network/Data privacy and security in healthcare Network research issues to support healthcare Computing issues to support healthcare Multimedia (video and voice) for telemedicine Wireless telemedicine applications Electromagnetic interference issues Signal processing techniques in wired/wireless telemedicine systems Interactive audiovisual and data communications Telemedicine devices and peripherals Database technologies for telemedicine Standard Efforts for telemedicine Tools and platforms for telemedicine Legal and ethical issues for telemedicine Quality of Telemedicine Telemedicine sites experiences Quality assessment and cataloguing for telemedicine application E-nabled Access Telemedicine applications: Emergency healthcare Videoconsulting, telecardiology, telepathology, teledermatology, teleophthalmology, teleoncology, telepsychiatry, and teledentistry Distance Learning Medical care delivery, diagnosis, consultation and treatment at a distance Medical education and the transfer of medical data Nursing homes or retirement centers Home monitoring for patients Healthcare in the aftermath of disasters International Journal of Telemedicine and Applications publishes two types of issues: regular issues and special issues. Regular issues publish collections of papers without special solicitation. Special issues feature specifically aimed and targeted topics of interest contributed by authors responding to a particular Call-for-Papers or by invitation, edited by invited Guest Editor(s). Regular papers can be submitted at any time, while special issue papers can be submitted only based on planned schedules and submission guidelines of the Call-for-Papers. Proposals for special issues can be submitted directly to the Editor-in-Chief. From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sun Mar 18 09:15:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSvCv-0007jX-3f; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:13:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSvCs-0007hk-Vp for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:13:54 -0400 Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com ([216.82.241.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HSvCo-0000jU-Ku for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:13:54 -0400 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1174223630!22952193!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7.1; banners=.,-,- X-Originating-IP: [129.188.136.8] Received: (qmail 22167 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2007 13:13:50 -0000 Received: from motgate8.mot.com (HELO motgate8.mot.com) (129.188.136.8) by server-14.tower-119.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2007 13:13:50 -0000 Received: from il06exr01.mot.com (il06exr01.mot.com [129.188.137.131]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with ESMTP id l2IDDjYf009431; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 06:13:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.129.40.16] ([10.129.40.16]) by il06exr01.mot.com (8.13.5/8.13.0) with ESMTP id l2IDDhFt020933; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:13:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45FD3B07.8080305@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:13:43 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Ernst Subject: Re: [nemo] NEMO WG Agenda References: <20070318015512.1cb8d182.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: <20070318015512.1cb8d182.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5ebbf074524e58e662bc8209a6235027 Cc: ml-nemo X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Thierry Ernst wrote: > Dear all, > > Here is the NEMO WG agenda as of today. > > We have 2 times 1-hour slot. The 1st hour is devoted to WG status > updates and the use case requirements as required by the new charter > under set up, whereas the 2nd slot is devoted to the RO issues met in > the MANEMO context. > > However, note that: > 1. the session on the Aeronautic use case might be compromised. That would be a pitty. RO with non-MIP6 and gentle BGP for in-plane prefix. And we've seen a lot of discussion on multi-homing and how it can work. The aeronautic industry requirements may lead to meaningful immediate solutions for the neverending quest of future Internet architectures. > 2. we have not yet collected any input for the Personal Mobile Router > use case. In MANEMO space we have a MANEMO Configuration Problems draft that talks about PMR use-case and how it can match egress-egress MANEMO scenario. It was submitted late, won't show up in I-D Repository during Prague. Until then it can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/2z6lnz (or until it shows on mobileip.jp/MANEMO or on network-mobility.org) Alex > > > NEMO WG meeting Agenda, IETF68 March 18-23 2007 Prague > Chairs: TJ Kniveton & Thierry Ernst > > === > NEMO WG page: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/nemo-charter.html > NEMO Additional Page: http://www.mobilenetworks.org/nemo/ > NEMO Status Page: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/nemo/ > === > > TUESDAY, March 20, 2007 > 1740-1840 Afternoon Session III & 1850-1950 Afternoon Session IV > > 1740-1840 Afternoon Session III > 1. Welcome, agenda bashing ....................................... 05 mins > Chairs > > 2. WG documents status .......................................... 10 mins > Chairs > > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/nemo/ > > 3. WG rechartering status ........................................ 10 mins > Chairs > > 4. Aviation Industry Requirements ................................ 15 mins > ???? Terry Davis & William Ivancic > > Multi-Domained, Multi-Homed Mobile Networks > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ivancic-mobile-platforms-problem-00.txt > > Aviation Global Internet Operations Requirements > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-davis-aviationreq-00.txt > > 5. Automotive Industry Requirements .............................. 20 mins > Roberto Baldessari > > C2C-C Consortium Requirements for Usage of NEMO in VANETs" > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-baldessari-c2ccc-nemo-req-00.txt > > > 1850-1950 Afternoon Session IV > 7. NEMO RO Issues & Requirements in the MANEMO Scenario > Wakikawa & Thubert & Boot & Clausen > > Analysis of MANET and NEMO > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-boot-manet-nemo-analysis-00.txt > > MANEMO Problem Statement > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wakikawa-manemo-problem-statement-00.txt > > NEMO Route Optimisation Problem Statement > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-clausen-nemo-ro-problem-statement-01.txt > > FYI only > ======== > Solution drafts that might be useful to read > -- draft-thubert-tree-discovery-04.txt > -- draft-thubert-nemo-reverse-routing-header-07.txt > -- draft-thubert-nina-00.txt > -- draft-petrescu-manemo-nano-00.txt > > For more information on MANEMO > -- http://www.mobileip.jp/MANEMO/MANEMO.html > -- http://www.mobileip.jp/MANEMO/IETF68.html > ======== > > > -- version 2007-03-17 > > > Thierry. > > ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, # sorry if you received multiple times of this kind of email. Registration for the 9th TAHI IPv6 Interoperability Test event is started today! If you are planning to participate to the event, you can register in http://www.tahi.org/inop/9thinterop.html Note : The early registration discount is until 17:00 JST Apr. 16, 2007. The registration deadline is 17:00 JST Apr. 27, 2007. And you can get detailed information about the event in the URL. Summary information of the event. - Venue: Nippon Convention Center (Makuhari Messe), Chiba, Japan. - Date: May 14 - May 18, 2007 - Registration & Information: http://www.tahi.org/inop/9thinterop.html We are waiting for your participation. We are looking forward to see you at 9th TAHI evnet! Best regards, ------------------- Kiyoaki Kawaguchi From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 23 10:02:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUkJr-0007Hx-Oh; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:00:39 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUkJm-0007GG-Dc; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:00:34 -0400 Received: from ns3.neustar.com ([156.154.24.138]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUkJk-0002uA-TP; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:00:34 -0400 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C676E175D7; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:00:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HUkJG-00005K-HW; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:00:02 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-announce@ietf.org From: IESG Secretary Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:00:02 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 2a76bcd37b1c8a21336eb0a1ea6bbf48 Cc: nemo@ietf.org, TJ Kniveton , Thierry Ernst Subject: [nemo] WG Review: Recharter of Network Mobility (nemo) X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: iesg@ietf.org List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org A modified charter has been submitted for the Network Mobility (nemo) working group in the Internet Area of the IETF. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The modified charter is provided below for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by April 5th. Network Mobility (nemo) ========================== Current Status: Active Working Group Chair(s): TJ Kniveton Thierry Ernst Internet Area Director(s): Jari Arkko Mark Townsley Internet Area Advisor: Jari Arkko Technical Advisor(s): Steven Bellovin Mailing Lists: General Discussion: nemo@ietf.org To Subscribe: nemo-request@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/nemo/index.html Description of Working Group: The NEMO Working Group is concerned with managing the mobility of an entire network, which changes its point of attachment to the Internet and thus its reachability in the network topology. The mobile network includes one or more mobile routers (MRs) which connect the rest of the mobile network to the global Internet. For the purposes of this working group, a mobile network is a leaf network; it does not carry transit traffic. Nonetheless, it could be multihomed, either with a single MR that has multiple attachments to the Internet, or by using multiple MRs that attach the mobile network to the Internet. For the basic NEMO support case, none of the nodes behind the MR need be aware of the network's mobility; thus, the network's movement is completely transparent to the nodes inside the mobile network. This design consideration was made to accommodate nodes inside the network that are not generally aware of mobility. Basic network mobility support is described in RFC 3963. This RFC contains NEMO Basic Support, which is a protocol based on Mobile IPv6 (RFC 3775, 3776) that enables network mobility in an IPv6 network. The working group is tasked with continuing to evolve RFC 3963 to correct errors and address deployment issues. In addition, the group works in co-operation with the MIP6 WG to design a mechanism to allow mixed IPv4/IPv6 networks to be used. At this point, the working group is concerned with solving deployment issues of NEMO, primarily relating to the identified needs of the automotive and aviation communities. The group will gather requirements from those builders and users, and then solve the route optimization issues necessary for optimized deployments. Among the deployments that have issues which may be solved by NEMO Route Optimization feature(s), we have identified three cases that have a likelihood of requirements gathering and an Optimization solution. Those comprise the Automotive case, the Aviation case, and the Personal Mobile Router (consumer electronics) case. The group will explore these options to gather requirements and, if those requirements match the capability of a NEMO RO solution space, proceed with solving the open issues. The WG will: - Finish working group documents that are currently in process, and submit for RFC. This includes prefix delegation protocol mechanisms, a multihoming problem statement, and a MIB for NEMO Basic Support. - Gather requirements for NEMO Route Optimization in deployment scenarios: (1) Automotive industry who are deploying NEMO for in-car communication, entertainment, and data gathering, possible control systems use, and communication to roadside devices. (2) Airline and spacecraft community, who are deploying NEMO for control systems, as well as Internet connectivity and entertainment systems. (3) Personal Mobile Routers, which are consumer devices that allow the user to bring a NEMO network with the user while mobile, and communicate with peer NEMO networks/MNNs. After gathering the requirements for these types of deployments, the working group will evaluate what type of route optimization needs to be performed (if any), and formulate a solution to those problems. If no requirements for those scenarios can be collected by the deadline, it will be assumed that the work is premature, and that type of deployment will be dropped from the list of use cases currently addressed by NEMO. In order to retain focus, the group needs to sequence the solution work for Personal Mobile Routers and Automotive industry. I.e., one solution needs to be completed before another one can be adopted as a WG document. The group will only consider airline and spacecraft solutions that combine tunneling solutions for small movements with either federated tunnel servers or slowly changing end host prefixes. The group will only consider personal mobile router solutions that employ the router's association with an operator in order to set up a secure optimized route with another router belonging to the same operator. The group will only consider automotive industry solutions that allow MR-attached hosts to directly access the network where MR has attached to. The WG will not: - consider routing issues inside the mobile network. Existing routing protocols (including MANET protocols) can be used to solve these problems. - consider general route optimization, multihoming, or other problems that are not related to the deployment and maintenance of NEMO networks. - consider or rely on the results of general routing architecture, Internet architecture, or identifier-locator split issues that are discussed in separate, long term efforts elsewhere in the IETF - consider solutions that require changes from correspondent nodes in the general Internet The working group will endeavor to separate research issues, and refer them to the IRTF as appropriate. 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