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Tue, 03 Mar 2020 08:15:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: aruna potti Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 08:14:50 -0800 Message-ID: To: netconf@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000194f31059ff59bbb" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Bulk X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 16:15:07 -0000 --000000000000194f31059ff59bbb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, A gentle reminder of my question! Thanks, On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:19 PM aruna potti wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any conclusion on the proposals mentioned below? > https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-liu-netconf-multiple-replies-01.html > > I am especially interested in how clients can deal with bulk > as they can not wait forever for a response and usually require to have > time out for a response from the device. I see an issue to increase the > time out as it can interfere with the network communication issue detection > while waiting for the response. > What is your suggestion on how a client should handle the bulk ? > > Thanks, > Aruna. > > --000000000000194f31059ff59bbb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
A gentle reminder of my question!
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Thanks,


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:= 19 PM aruna potti <arunapotti@gm= ail.com> wrote:
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Hi,

We have a req= uirement to use one edit-config to send around 400 edit operations so that = we can make use of "rollback-on-error " capability to go back to the previous state in case of errors.=C2=A0 Is there any limit on the number of edit operations that can be combined to= send in one edit-config?

Thanks,
--0000000000002cd452059ff5eaa6-- From nobody Tue Mar 3 12:57:06 2020 Return-Path: <01000170a2300554-1c8c8416-1a58-4689-a021-471e777a0544-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B333A0971 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:57:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MEPVz1x5n9yl for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from a48-110.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-110.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4F123A0974 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:57:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1583269021; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=pl5BHwYhv90+SmgYHnag+T2VcC4s8Cb74krWTSJchy4=; b=QMV7bJFVWCtRbAyZbfrRkBLM6kSSnzru61yFNm1fWCcL7SKur1cNk4iWb2LSz24W y8B7Lw2Xw5pV1qHWwie7QuWKpEsJEiQ+Nafyfsg54RyO1vaaLoOyLyG6Y/HmbXLrL3b kGt0qF3gsafLVSmfLqkaxEq5f5Q1HexI7OgvQYrw= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <01000170a2300554-1c8c8416-1a58-4689-a021-471e777a0544-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6FBAE9B9-3F43-4776-8CAB-9008508C640F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 20:57:01 +0000 In-Reply-To: Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" To: aruna potti References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.03-54.240.48.110 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Bulk X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 20:57:05 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6FBAE9B9-3F43-4776-8CAB-9008508C640F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Aruna, The issue raised by that draft remains open. IIRC, more important = ongoing activities the time shut it out. It is potentially something = the WG might want to consider again... For returning large collections (e.g., routes, interfaces stats, etc.), = the restconf-collection draft might=E2=80=99ve provided some relief: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-collection-00 = . Kent > On Mar 3, 2020, at 11:14 AM, aruna potti wrote: >=20 > Hi, > A gentle reminder of my question! >=20 > Thanks, >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:19 PM aruna potti > wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Is there any conclusion on the proposals mentioned below? > https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-liu-netconf-multiple-replies-01.html = >=20 > I am especially interested in how clients can deal with bulk = as they can not wait forever for a response and usually = require to have time out for a response from the device. I see an issue = to increase the time out as it can interfere with the network = communication issue detection while waiting for the response.=20 > What is your suggestion on how a client should handle the bulk = ? >=20 > Thanks, > Aruna.=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --Apple-Mail=_6FBAE9B9-3F43-4776-8CAB-9008508C640F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Aruna,

The issue = raised by that draft remains open.  IIRC, more important ongoing = activities the time shut it out.  It is potentially something the = WG might want to consider again...

For returning large collections (e.g., = routes, interfaces stats, etc.), the restconf-collection draft = might=E2=80=99ve provided some relief: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-collect= ion-00.

Kent


On Mar = 3, 2020, at 11:14 AM, aruna potti <arunapotti@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
A gentle reminder of = my question!

Thanks,


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:19 PM aruna potti <arunapotti@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Is there any conclusion on the proposals mentioned below?
https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-liu-netconf-multiple-replies-01= .html

I am = especially interested in how clients can deal with bulk = <rpc-reply> as they can not wait forever for a response and = usually require to have time out for a response from the device. I see = an issue to increase the time out as it can interfere with the network = communication issue detection while waiting for the response.
What is your suggestion on how a client = should handle the bulk <rpc-reply>?

Thanks,
Aruna.

_______________________________________________
netconf = mailing list
netconf@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf

= --Apple-Mail=_6FBAE9B9-3F43-4776-8CAB-9008508C640F-- From nobody Tue Mar 3 12:59:46 2020 Return-Path: <01000170a2327b4f-3231c2b6-b2ff-4581-a3dd-3addfc04f71f-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFB53A097A for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:59:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YuK0-7yF5Amc for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from a48-92.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-92.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82CB53A0979 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:59:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1583269182; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Feedback-ID; bh=13vOMKkhUvBLFJhYOBEKLgthmLs+6ytbMrEUQ6wVFPo=; b=OnaiIeFdtqaQ6WVrusQr16C+LyW2UCq2yhmJQaR9d+clxVfSuSiLatN3FbsrLEsD Or3XO6hoxHhYuusvJeQPWLZn3QSyEWy5O/OvjfRxLeugwIpsa21Ts8ogBVd+YTY2XWZ PncTimJVYgY28K/P8LFsolTbP/wwmKzsGj/osNJQ= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 20:59:42 +0000 Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <01000170a2327b4f-3231c2b6-b2ff-4581-a3dd-3addfc04f71f-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: To: aruna potti X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.03-54.240.48.92 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] one edit-config with bulk edits X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 20:59:45 -0000 There are no protocol-imposed limits, though limits may be imposed by = server implementations (e.g., constrained devices). K. > On Mar 3, 2020, at 11:36 AM, aruna potti wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > We have a requirement to use one edit-config to send around 400 edit = operations so that we can make use of "rollback-on-error " capability to = go back to the previous state in case of errors. Is there any limit on = the number of edit operations that can be combined to send in one = edit-config?=20 >=20 > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Wed Mar 4 13:54:18 2020 Return-Path: <01000170a78abdde-66112ceb-d466-4c72-ad18-6058ef07ab02-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A461C3A09E2 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 13:54:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AATLSnR00LPZ for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 13:54:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from a48-94.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-94.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 053EB3A09DE for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 13:54:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1583358852; h=From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Feedback-ID; bh=kVVuUFgmx+LOHwCot6GMc17AKEkiJrNx3upVrQgJ+o4=; b=PtLe/LHb7uCpDpPfzuH6vC/m3Ti6FJSm7PJRSGfo2lz5RQbYQuK2z8WDZul6swlz wlXH12+3BuFDrBZ3GkKjM44MRWDqQzBbMUkUZYHpGzfMx/8BvE19IppOJOWUzMKHoJd JK7NxJ5ISzqtmENLt9PgFWpaL2cziL2YcP1ii3Uw= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 21:54:12 +0000 References: <0100017055c347e5-13b624a9-04c0-4ba5-8a53-26a80f079607-000000@email.amazonses.com> <0100017055e833dd-1a2ecac4-53e4-4bb7-aab9-f75516c5fd38-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: "netconf@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <0100017055e833dd-1a2ecac4-53e4-4bb7-aab9-f75516c5fd38-000000@email.amazonses.com> Message-ID: <01000170a78abdde-66112ceb-d466-4c72-ad18-6058ef07ab02-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.04-54.240.48.94 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 21:54:16 -0000 Dear All, This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to progress = the document at this time. The chairs have therefore decided to extend = the WGLC for another two weeks, now ending March 18th. =20 Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe = it is ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful and = important, even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are = also welcomed at this time. The NETCONF Chairs > On Feb 17, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > FWIW, this is WGLC #2, after the major updates resulting from WGLC #1 = (in October). >=20 > K. >=20 >=20 >> On Feb 17, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Kent Watsen = wrote: >>=20 >> This message begins a two-week WGLC for = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 ending on March 2nd (a = week before the IETF 107 submission cutoff deadline). Here is a direct = link to the HTML version of the draft: >>=20 >> = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-1= 1 >>=20 >> Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it = is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, = even from authors. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have read the new version, and like the updated notification-support. I believe it ready for publication. Eric > Dear All, > > This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to progress the > document at this time. The chairs have therefore decided to extend the > WGLC for another two weeks, now ending March 18th. > > Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is > ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful and important, even > from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed at > this time. > > The NETCONF Chairs > > > > > > On Feb 17, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > > > FWIW, this is WGLC #2, after the major updates resulting from WGLC #1 (in > October). > > > > K. > > > > > >> On Feb 17, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > >> > >> This message begins a two-week WGLC for draft-ietf-netconf-notification- > capabilities-11 ending on March 2nd (a week before the IETF 107 submission > cutoff deadline). 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Pipelining NETCONF requests MUST be processed serially by the managed device. Additional requests MAY be sent before previous ones have been completed. The managed device MUST send responses only in the order the requests were received. That allows some level of pipelining but has head-of-line blocking issues: 1) some requests could have a rapid response (e.g. error detected in the sy= ntax of the request) and 2) some requests could be a very long time before a response (a commit of a= huge config, or a ping RPC that runs 10 x 10s pings and puts the result in= the rpc-reply). What if a server decided to send responses out of order (i.e. as an optimiz= ation)? (or we removed the "responses only in the order" clause from the sp= ec). What impact would that have on clients? A client that doesn't pipeline (i.e. waits for the rpc-reply before issuing= the next rpc) wouldn't be affected. Would clients that pipeline be able to handle out-of-order responses in gen= eral? Consider, for example, a first rpc that is doing a very long commit,= followed by a second rpc that is reading a state leaf called "commit-progr= ess" to see what is going on. Jason --_000_DM5PR08MB2633E73C19492707888A4CA09BE20DM5PR08MB2633namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

RFC6241 says the following:

 

4.5.  Pipelining

 

   NETCONF <rpc>= ; requests MUST be processed serially by the managed

   device.  Addi= tional <rpc> requests MAY be sent before previous ones

   have been complete= d.  The managed device MUST send responses only in

   the order the requ= ests were received.

 

That allows some level of pipel= ining but has head-of-line blocking issues:

1) some requests could have a r= apid response (e.g. error detected in the syntax of the request) and

2) some requests could be a ver= y long time before a response (a commit of a huge config, or a ping RPC tha= t runs 10 x 10s pings and puts the result in the rpc-reply).

 

What if a server decided to sen= d responses out of order (i.e. as an optimization)? (or we removed the &quo= t;responses only in the order" clause from the spec). What impact woul= d that have on clients?

 

A client that doesn't pipeline = (i.e. waits for the rpc-reply before issuing the next rpc) wouldn't be affe= cted.

 

Would clients that pipeline be = able to handle out-of-order responses in general?  Consider, for examp= le, a first rpc that is doing a very long commit, followed by a second rpc = that is reading a state leaf called "commit-progress" to see what is going on.

 

Jason

--_000_DM5PR08MB2633E73C19492707888A4CA09BE20DM5PR08MB2633namp_-- From nobody Thu Mar 5 23:24:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CA63A08DC for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 23:23:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N-4naiJAzSRc for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 23:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC2AF3A08DB for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 23:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 7C9416121B032A5670E7 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 07:23:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.50) by lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 07:23:54 +0000 Received: from lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.50) by lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 07:23:54 +0000 Received: from DGGEMI403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.136) by lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 07:23:54 +0000 Received: from DGGEMI522-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.131]) by dggemi403-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.136]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:23:47 +0800 From: "taoran (F)" To: "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New draft draft-tao-netconf-data-export-capabilities-00 submitted Thread-Index: AdXziBdsXU2PUvs3SjaIKUxhAYdvvw== Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 07:23:47 +0000 Message-ID: <9A819AE7BFA8104F8CDA9A55CAFA538C042E842E@dggemi522-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.138.33.188] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9A819AE7BFA8104F8CDA9A55CAFA538C042E842Edggemi522mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] New draft draft-tao-netconf-data-export-capabilities-00 submitted X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 07:24:00 -0000 --_000_9A819AE7BFA8104F8CDA9A55CAFA538C042E842Edggemi522mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, WG, This is Ran. I have submitted a new draft draft-tao-netconf-data-export-cap= abilities-00 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netconf-data-export-cap= abilities-00), which propose a YANG module for telemetry data export capabi= lity. In this draft, we argument system capabilities model and provide addi= tional data export attributes for transport dependent capability negotiatio= n. Anyone is welcome to make comments on the draft. Thank you. Best regards, Ran Tao --_000_9A819AE7BFA8104F8CDA9A55CAFA538C042E842Edggemi522mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, WG,

 

This is Ran. I have submitted a= new draft draft-tao-netconf-data-export-capabilities-00 (https://tools.iet= f.org/html/draft-tao-netconf-data-export-capabilities-00), which propose a = YANG module for telemetry data export capability. In this draft, we argument system capabilities model and provi= de additional data export attributes for transport dependent capability neg= otiation.

 

Anyone is welcome to make comme= nts on the draft. Thank you.

 

 

Best regards,=

 

Ran Tao

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Thanks = Ran for heads up.

Just a = little bit background why we write this draft

&n= bsp;

The sub= scription parameters such as =A1=B0transport=A1=B1, =A1=B0encoding=A1=B1 av= ailable to the configured subscription is

used to= identify the transport protocol and encoding to use to connect with all su= bscription receivers. But

the sub= scription receivers may not know in advance about which transport protocol = or encoding to use.

&n= bsp;

The dyn= amic subscription supports a simple negotiation between subscribers and pub= lishers for subscription

paramet= ers, i.e., supplemental information inserted into error responses to a fail= ed RPC request, which

cause a= dditional subscription iterations between subscriber and publisher.

&n= bsp;

The dat= a export capability draft is aiming to address these issue and provide capa= bility advertisement, which

minimiz= e the number of subscription iterations between subscriber and publisher.

&n= bsp;

-Qin

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED taoran (F)
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=D6=F7=CC=E2: [netconf] New draft draft-tao-netconf-data-export-capabilities-00 submitt= ed

 

Hi, WG,

 

This is Ran. I have submitted a= new draft draft-tao-netconf-data-export-capabilities-00 (https:= //tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netconf-data-export-capabilities-00), which propose a YANG module for telemetry data export capability. In this = draft, we argument system capabilities model and provide additional data ex= port attributes for transport dependent capability negotiation.<= /span>

 

Anyone is welcome to make comme= nts on the draft. Thank you.

 

 

Best regards,=

 

Ran Tao

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[10.138.33.188] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9A819AE7BFA8104F8CDA9A55CAFA538C042E9655dggemi522mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] Updated draft draft-tao-netconf-notif-node-tag-capabilities-01 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:44:24 -0000 --_000_9A819AE7BFA8104F8CDA9A55CAFA538C042E9655dggemi522mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, WG, This is Ran. I have updated the draft draft-tao-netconf-notif-node-tag-capa= bilities (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netconf-notif-node-tag-capa= bilities-01). This document proposes a YANG module for self-explanation dat= a Node tag capability which augments system capabilities model and provide = additional self-explanation data node attributes associated with node selec= tor within per-node capabilities. Anyone is welcome to make comments on the draft. Thank you. Best regards, Ran Tao --_000_9A819AE7BFA8104F8CDA9A55CAFA538C042E9655dggemi522mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, WG,

 

This is Ran. I have updated the= draft draft-tao-netconf-notif-node-tag-capabilities (https://tools.ietf.or= g/html/draft-tao-netconf-notif-node-tag-capabilities-01). This document pro= poses a YANG module for self-explanation data Node tag capability which augments system capabilities model and prov= ide additional self-explanation data node attributes associated with node s= elector within per-node capabilities.

 

Anyone is welcome to make comme= nts on the draft. Thank you.

 

 

Best regards,=

 

Ran Tao

--_000_9A819AE7BFA8104F8CDA9A55CAFA538C042E9655dggemi522mbschi_-- From nobody Fri Mar 6 07:10:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0756D3A08CE for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 07:10:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cesnet.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ptUbMJxcv3F5 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 07:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from kalendar.cesnet.cz (kalendar.cesnet.cz [78.128.211.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D34E3A08CC for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 07:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by kalendar.cesnet.cz (Postfix, from userid 999) id 58BDB60182; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 16:10:00 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cesnet.cz; s=kalendar; t=1583507400; bh=69lzpX5yOhL4LR6AiDISVRSAWzjzVueWPDscV0S1XFA=; h=To:Date:Subject:From; b=tukRLMLTjiQ8Qo+ZlTPjJCiNeE+hXzlSR3nA6nfEpds06D1fGycb0qXl8A9gmWqv4 EOYHlBmuZVvb3GMk/BKyIO4BiEEu1Eo4y+qXe0FXa+B0u3aWHqs/rIS3vA09KbtbLO zLhg1UtxQ0DFTL0b9OwT+wiKJpNsjXZdwn/2G5Zc= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" To: "netconf" User-Agent: SOGoMail 2.3.23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 16:10:00 +0100 Message-ID: <55d0-5e626800-11-3bd6efc0@61129709> X-Forward: 2001:67c:1220:80c:b5:55d3:81d5:8636 From: =?utf-8?q?Michal_Va=C5=A1ko?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] edit-config leaf without value X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 15:10:06 -0000 Hello, we would like some input on a problem that was discussed several times = based on our search of the mailing list archive but we are still not su= re what the exact rules are. So, let's say we have YANG snippet leaf l { type uint32; } and edit-config config (assume correct namespaces) a) Is the example allowed? Meaning can the leaf "l" be without a value = (have an invalid value)? Based on the YANG 1.1 RFC [1] I would say it c= annot. b) If it can be without a value, is it only in the case of "delete" ope= ration, otherwise it is an error? c) If the leaf "l" had a string type, for example, and there was an ins= tance with value "string" in the datastore, would the edit-config succe= ed and the leaf be deleted? In other words, when deleting a leaf, do th= e values have to match for a successful delete or not? In this case, I = would say the values do not have to match [2]. d) I am assuming none of this can work for a leaf-list [3] or list [4],= which must always have the exact value/keys no matter what the operati= on on them is. Thank you for any clarification. 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: netconf On Behalf Of taoran (F) Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 6., p=C3=A9ntek 9:27 To: Kent Watsen ; netconf@ietf.org Subject: [netconf] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WGLC: = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 Hi, all, I have two comments on this draft as follows: 1. Section 5.1 said: =E2=80=9C augment /sysc:system-capabilities/sysc:datastore-capabilities/ + | sysc:per-node-capabilities: +--ro subscription-capabilities +--ro (update-period)? | +--:(minimum-update-period) | | +--ro minimum-update-period? uint32 | +--:(supported-update-period) | +--ro supported-update-period* uint32 +--ro max-nodes-per-update? uint32 +--ro minimum-dampening-period? uint32 {yp:on-change}? +--ro on-change-supported? notification-support | {yp:on-change}? +--ro periodic-notifications-supported? notification-support +--ro supported-excluded-change-type* union {yp:on-change}? =E2=80=9D I believe on-change-supported and supported-excluded-change-type are = related to each other, i.e., only when on-change-supported holds, = Support-excluded-change-type needs to be supported. Would it make sense = to add when statement under supported-excluded-change-type. One Follow up comment is should supported-excluded-change-type be = applicable to config true node or config false node? BALAZS: OK, I will do it in the after the WGLC. 2. Section 5.2 said: =E2=80=9C leaf-list supported-excluded-change-type { if-feature yp:on-change; type union { type enumeration { enum none { value -2 ; description "None of the change types can be excluded."; } enum all { value -1 ; description "Any combination of change types can be excluded."; } } type yp:change-type; } description "The change types that can be excluded in YANG-Push subscriptions."; } =E2=80=9D It is not clear to me when should assign negative number to enum value, = does it indicate it is an error or warning? If it is not, I prefer to = assign positive number to enum value. BALAZS: The value statement allows the range -2147483648 to 2147483647.=20 I chose negative numbers because yp:change-type is itself an enum=20 with autonumbering. Autonumbering will start from 0 and go up. So a negative number will never clash with it, a small positive number = could. 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It is possible that supported-excluded-change-type is declared on the = system level while on-change-supported is declared on datastore level. = In such cases when the explicit declaration of on-change-supported and = supported-excluded-change-type is done on different levels = (system/datastore/specific data node) only a very complicated when = statement would work. - As this is output from the node, when statement are not even checked = by many implementations So while the idea is relevant, practically it would be too difficult. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netconf On Behalf Of taoran (F) Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 6., p=C3=A9ntek 9:27 To: Kent Watsen ; netconf@ietf.org Subject: [netconf] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: WGLC: = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 1. Section 5.1 said: =E2=80=9C augment /sysc:system-capabilities/sysc:datastore-capabilities/ + | sysc:per-node-capabilities: +--ro subscription-capabilities +--ro (update-period)? | +--:(minimum-update-period) | | +--ro minimum-update-period? uint32 | +--:(supported-update-period) | +--ro supported-update-period* uint32 +--ro max-nodes-per-update? uint32 +--ro minimum-dampening-period? uint32 {yp:on-change}? +--ro on-change-supported? notification-support | {yp:on-change}? +--ro periodic-notifications-supported? notification-support +--ro supported-excluded-change-type* union {yp:on-change}? =E2=80=9D I believe on-change-supported and supported-excluded-change-type are = related to each other, i.e., only when on-change-supported holds, = Support-excluded-change-type needs to be supported. Would it make sense = to add when statement under supported-excluded-change-type. One Follow up comment is should supported-excluded-change-type be = applicable to config true node or config false node? 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List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 20:06:08 -0000 [As a contributor] Hi Michal, Please see inline ... > -----Original Message----- > From: netconf On Behalf Of Michal Va=B9ko > Sent: 06 March 2020 15:10 > To: netconf > Subject: [netconf] edit-config leaf without value >=20 > Hello, > we would like some input on a problem that was discussed several times > based on our search of the mailing list archive but we are still not sure > what the exact rules are. >=20 > So, let's say we have YANG snippet >=20 > leaf l { > type uint32; > } >=20 > and edit-config config (assume correct namespaces) >=20 > >=20 > a) Is the example allowed? Meaning can the leaf "l" be without a value > (have an invalid value)? Based on the YANG 1.1 RFC [1] I would say it > cannot. [RW]=20 Yes, a value does not need to be provided, but the leaf must previously exi= st in the configuration, or an error is returned. I think that this would be the normal way this operation is expressed. > b) If it can be without a value, is it only in the case of "delete" > operation, otherwise it is an error? [RW]=20 "remove" would be similar but would not error if the node doesn't exist. > c) If the leaf "l" had a string type, for example, and there was an > instance with value "string" in the datastore, would the edit-config > succeed and the leaf be deleted? In other words, when deleting a leaf, do > the values have to match for a successful delete or not? In this case, I > would say the values do not have to match [2]. [RW]=20 For a delete operation, if a value was provided, then I would check it or r= eturn an error if it did not match. For a remove operation, I wouldn't perform the check, and just remove the n= ode if it exists. > d) I am assuming none of this can work for a leaf-list [3] or list [4], > which must always have the exact value/keys no matter what the operation > on them is. [RW]=20 Agreed. Thanks, Rob >=20 > Thank you for any clarification. >=20 > Regards, > Michal >=20 > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.6 > [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.7 > [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.7.9 > [4] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.8.6 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Sat Mar 7 16:21:03 2020 Return-Path: <01000170b5aa8385-57cf5e28-dc3b-41f6-b1e3-99fce702f19b-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606363A1507 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2020 07:43:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0szCAqfCivLL for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2020 07:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from a48-93.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-93.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 384613A1506 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2020 07:43:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1583595816; h=From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To:Feedback-ID; bh=gKroZ/J+2TZYFvVA2uJfHuQ6L9pXEXkisek/+1TSZh0=; b=h9i4UvWQkPkEDFf49CmDZo8ZVnejtWoXiSrWH4KmvD94wb59OqxS29ZIR1c31zmi 9PNGu+1huflIO3JQMo0yifzdrNThZOf+nn8r6RQr3RcmyTWJfCz5Nb9me4nlS6Og5GR 5TwH9CEl51zgrO66Iso9PSUMMSNEV1jPWXc8KOUA= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-ID: <01000170b5aa8385-57cf5e28-dc3b-41f6-b1e3-99fce702f19b-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 15:43:35 +0000 To: "netconf@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.07-54.240.48.93 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] NETCONF IETF 107 update and call for agenda items X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2020 15:43:38 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2020 15:43:38 -0000 All, According to the the IETF 107 meeting agenda [1], NETCONF=20 is scheduled to meet for 2 hours on Tuesday morning. This is clearly will be an atypical meeting, with more remote=20 attendees than usual. This includes both of WG chairs. According to IETF 107 Important Dates [2], draft WG agendas=20 are to be submitted this coming Wednesday, March 11. As such, we=E2=80=99reissuing the following request about a week later then = typical. =20 Please help us by providing your response no later than COB Monday, March 9. If you are interested in presenting to the WG, please send your=20 presentation requests to the "netconf-chairs" alias (CC-ed) with the following information, for each presentation request, if more than one: - name of the drafts (if any) - name of presentation (usually the title of the draft) - name of the presenter(s) - desired time request (in minutes) - local or remote? Please be advised that the draft submission cutoff deadline [2] is this coming Monday. Please update your drafts before then! Thank you, NETCONF Chairs [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/107/agenda.html [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/107/important-dates From nobody Sun Mar 8 12:24:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5053A0817; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 12:23:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <158369543847.6811.10615301786139865408@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 12:23:58 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-crypto-types-14.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 19:23:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : Common YANG Data Types for Cryptography Authors : Kent Watsen Wang Haiguang Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-crypto-types-14.txt Pages : 65 Date : 2020-03-08 Abstract: This document primarily defines a YANG module for identities, typedefs, groupings, and RPCs useful to cryptographic applications. This draft additionally defines a new IANA registry for cryptographic primitives, modifies existing SSH and TLS registries, and defines a process enabling IANA to automatically generate three new YANG modules from the new cryptographic primitives registry. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 8 12:25:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85803A081B; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 12:25:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <158369550374.6875.17659679099074667245@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 12:25:03 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-keystore-16.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 19:25:21 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for a Keystore Author : Kent Watsen Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-keystore-16.txt Pages : 40 Date : 2020-03-08 Abstract: This document defines a YANG 1.1 module called "ietf-keystore" that enables centralized configuration of both symmetric and asymmetric keys. The secret value for both key types may be encrypted. Asymmetric keys may be associated with certificates. Notifications are sent when certificates are about to expire. Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor) This draft contains many placeholder values that need to be replaced with finalized values at the time of publication. This note summarizes all of the substitutions that are needed. No other RFC Editor instructions are specified elsewhere in this document. Artwork in this document contains shorthand references to drafts in progress. Please apply the following replacements: o "AAAA" --> the assigned RFC value for [I-D.ietf-netconf-crypto-types]. o "XXXX" --> the assigned RFC value for this draft Artwork in this document contains placeholder values for the date of publication of this draft. Please apply the following replacement: o "2020-03-08" --> the publication date of this draft The following Appendix section is to be removed prior to publication: o Appendix A. Change Log The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-keystore/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-keystore-16 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-keystore-16 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-keystore-16 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 8 12:26:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F273A0817; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 12:25:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <158369554063.6855.16983858823208665376@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 12:25:40 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-trust-anchors-09.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 19:25:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for a Truststore Author : Kent Watsen Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-trust-anchors-09.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2020-03-08 Abstract: This document defines a YANG 1.1 data model for configuring global sets of X.509 certificates, SSH host-keys, and raw public keys that can be referenced by other data models for trust. While the SSH host-keys are uniquely for the SSH protocol, certificates, and raw public keys may have multiple uses, including authenticating protocol peers and verifying signatures. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-trust-anchors/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-trust-anchors-09 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-trust-anchors-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-trust-anchors-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 8 12:29:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA6F3A0887; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 12:28:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <158369572049.6701.7324464480836617918@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 12:28:40 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server-04.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 19:28:58 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Groupings for TCP Clients and TCP Servers Authors : Kent Watsen Michael Scharf Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server-04.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2020-03-08 Abstract: This document defines three YANG modules: the first defines a grouping for configuring a generic TCP client, the second defines a grouping for configuring a generic TCP server, and the third defines a grouping common to the TCP clients and TCP servers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 8 12:30:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B633A0888; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 12:29:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <158369579153.6880.1823461183080651122@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 12:29:51 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server-18.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 19:30:09 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Groupings for SSH Clients and SSH Servers Authors : Kent Watsen Gary Wu Liang Xia Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server-18.txt Pages : 54 Date : 2020-03-08 Abstract: This document defines three YANG modules: the first defines groupings for a generic SSH client, the second defines groupings for a generic SSH server, and the third defines common identities and groupings used by both the client and the server. It is intended that these groupings will be used by applications using the SSH protocol. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server-18 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server-18 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server-18 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 8 12:31:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8FB3A0879; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 12:31:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <158369588700.6743.13458331213944530037@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 12:31:27 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server-18.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 19:31:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Groupings for TLS Clients and TLS Servers Authors : Kent Watsen Gary Wu Liang Xia Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server-18.txt Pages : 55 Date : 2020-03-08 Abstract: This document defines three YANG modules: the first defines groupings for a generic TLS client, the second defines groupings for a generic TLS server, and the third defines common identities and groupings used by both the client and the server. It is intended that these groupings will be used by applications using the TLS protocol. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server-18 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server-18 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server-18 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 8 12:32:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913B53A08FD; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 12:32:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <158369596152.6831.7789650379863617847@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 12:32:41 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-http-client-server-02.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 19:32:58 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Groupings for HTTP Clients and HTTP Servers Author : Kent Watsen Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-http-client-server-02.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2020-03-08 Abstract: This document defines two YANG modules: the first defines a minimal grouping for configuring an HTTP client, and the second defines a minimal grouping for configuring an HTTP server. It is intended that these groupings will be used to help define the configuration for simple HTTP-based protocols (not for complete webservers or browsers). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-http-client-server/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-http-client-server-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-http-client-server-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-http-client-server-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 8 13:17:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741D53A09C9; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:16:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <158369861638.6803.5909348026863680272@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 13:16:56 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server-18.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 20:16:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : NETCONF Client and Server Models Author : Kent Watsen Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server-18.txt Pages : 98 Date : 2020-03-08 Abstract: This document defines two YANG modules, one module to configure a NETCONF client and the other module to configure a NETCONF server. Both modules support both the SSH and TLS transport protocols, and support both standard NETCONF and NETCONF Call Home connections. Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor) This draft contains many placeholder values that need to be replaced with finalized values at the time of publication. This note summarizes all of the substitutions that are needed. No other RFC Editor instructions are specified elsewhere in this document. This document contains references to other drafts in progress, both in the Normative References section, as well as in body text throughout. Please update the following references to reflect their final RFC assignments: o I-D.ietf-netconf-keystore o I-D.ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server o I-D.ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server o I-D.ietf-netconf-tls-client-server Artwork in this document contains shorthand references to drafts in progress. Please apply the following replacements: o "XXXX" --> the assigned RFC value for this draft o "AAAA" --> the assigned RFC value for I-D.ietf-netconf-tcp-client- server o "YYYY" --> the assigned RFC value for I-D.ietf-netconf-ssh-client- server o "ZZZZ" --> the assigned RFC value for I-D.ietf-netconf-tls-client- server Artwork in this document contains placeholder values for the date of publication of this draft. Please apply the following replacement: o "2020-03-08" --> the publication date of this draft The following Appendix section is to be removed prior to publication: o Appendix B. Change Log The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server-18 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server-18 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server-18 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 8 13:18:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316443A0A1D; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 13:18:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <158369870212.6823.5108101884814521719@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 13:18:22 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-client-server-18.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 20:18:40 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : RESTCONF Client and Server Models Author : Kent Watsen Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-client-server-18.txt Pages : 85 Date : 2020-03-08 Abstract: This document defines two YANG modules, one module to configure a RESTCONF client and the other module to configure a RESTCONF server. Both modules support the TLS transport protocol with both standard RESTCONF and RESTCONF Call Home connections. Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor) This draft contains many placeholder values that need to be replaced with finalized values at the time of publication. This note summarizes all of the substitutions that are needed. No other RFC Editor instructions are specified elsewhere in this document. This document contains references to other drafts in progress, both in the Normative References section, as well as in body text throughout. Please update the following references to reflect their final RFC assignments: o I-D.ietf-netconf-keystore o I-D.ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server o I-D.ietf-netconf-tls-client-server o I-D.ietf-netconf-http-client-server Artwork in this document contains shorthand references to drafts in progress. Please apply the following replacements: o "XXXX" --> the assigned RFC value for this draft o "AAAA" --> the assigned RFC value for I-D.ietf-netconf-tcp-client- server o "BBBB" --> the assigned RFC value for I-D.ietf-netconf-tls-client- server o "CCCC" --> the assigned RFC value for I-D.ietf-netconf-http- client-server Artwork in this document contains placeholder values for the date of publication of this draft. Please apply the following replacement: o "2020-03-08" --> the publication date of this draft The following Appendix section is to be removed prior to publication: o Appendix B. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 8 14:41:23 2020 Return-Path: <01000170bc185ffb-441c634d-fd79-41f4-b331-522f6354c5f8-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684E63A078A for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 14:41:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IjH9dtfh1xOK for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 14:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-92.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-92.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41F9A3A0783 for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2020 14:41:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1583703679; h=From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To:Feedback-ID; bh=Ih60zPeZ+6yqQPmXpD6CiGv6ah2x497ARoi8yCE4LGM=; b=VLcRy4RKhIvYXrTkoW7vxC7LhJAPocbyeaTN7dP8fgqBOU/iugqrDt5YWIYERKIr kweTnXwqsLWwM6Lf4V7gC95UUuTTBfC+SwvRF95I9DaMBnRA325deSJCDHGDHHn+ouF 78mAgwA8ZB72RAg4WItwDF/Eg6En+k+xwY20W5JU= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-ID: <01000170bc185ffb-441c634d-fd79-41f4-b331-522f6354c5f8-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 21:41:19 +0000 To: "netconf@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.08-54.240.48.92 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] today's updates to client/server drafts X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2020 21:41:22 -0000 Summary: With only two lingering issues (AFAIK), we=E2=80=99re very close to done = with these drafts. The two open issues are: 1) how to define the algorithm ids in crypto-types. The current draft = now defines registries and a process that IANA can use to generate YANG = modules from them. This approach seemed reasonable to Rich Salz = (SecDir), but Ben Kaduk (Sec AD) suggested that protocol-specific = registries may be preferred. The hope that current approach will give = everyone something concrete to reference and improve on. 2) the =E2=80=9Csupported algorithms=E2=80=9D list have been removed = from crypto-types but not yet added to the ssh-client-server and = tls-client-server drafts. I was hoping that someone else would do this = but, alas, none stepped up. Following are the per-draft Change Log entries. crypto-types: o Resolved the "FIXME: forward ref" issue by modulating 'must', 'when', and 'mandatory' expressions. o Moved the 'generatesymmetric-key' and 'generate-asymmetric-key' actions from ietf-keystore to ietf-crypto-types, now as RPCs. o Cleaned up various description statements and removed lingering FIXMEs. o Converted the "iana--algs" YANG modules to IANA registries with instructions for how to generate modules from the registries, whenever they may be updated. keystore: o Moved the generate key actions to ietf-crypt-types as RPCs, which are augmented by ietf-keystore to support encrypted keys. Examples updated accordingly. o Added a SSH certificate-based key (RFC 6187) and a raw private key to the example instance document (partly so they could be referenced by examples in the SSH and TLS client/server drafts. truststore: o Removed remaining PSK references from text. o Wrapped each top-level list with a container. o Introduced "bag" term. o Merged "SSH Public Keys" and "Raw Public Keys" in a single "Public Keys" bag. Consuming downstream modules (i.e., "ietf-[ssh/tls]- [client/server]) refinei the "public-key-format" to be either SSH or TLS specific as needed. tcp-client-server: o Fixed a few typos. ssh-client-server: o Removed leaf-list 'other' from ietf-ssh-server. o Removed unused 'external-client-auth-supported' feature. o Added features client-auth-password, client-auth-hostbased, and client-auth-none. o Renamed 'host-key' to 'public-key' for when refering to 'publickey' based auth. o Added new feature-protected 'hostbased' and 'none' to the 'user' node's config. o Added new feature-protected 'hostbased' and 'none' to the 'client- identity' node's config. o Updated examples to reflect new "bag" addition to truststore. o Refined truststore/keystore groupings to ensure the key formats "must" be particular values. o Switched to using truststore's new "public-key" bag (instead of separate "ssh-public-key" and "raw-public-key" bags. o Updated client/server examples to cover ALL cases (local/ref x cert/raw-key/psk). tls-client-server: o Removed the unused "external-client-auth-supported" feature. o Made client-indentity optional, as there may be over-the-top auth instead. o Added augment to uses of local-or-keystore-symmetric-key-grouping for a psk "id" node. o Added missing presence container "psks" to ietf-tls-server's "client-authentication" container. o Updated examples to reflect new "bag" addition to truststore. o Removed feature-limited caseless 'case' statements to improve tree diagram rendering. o Refined truststore/keystore groupings to ensure the key formats "must" be particular values. o Switched to using truststore's new "public-key" bag (instead of separate "ssh-public-key" and "raw-public-key" bags. o Updated client/server examples to cover ALL cases (local/ref x cert/raw-key/psk). http-client-server: o Removed the unused "external-client-auth-supported" feature from ietf-http-server. netconf-client-server: o Updated examples to reflect new "bag" addition to truststore. restconf-client-server: o Updated examples to reflect new "bag" addition to truststore. 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boundary="_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF28DDEDNKGEML515MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] Distributed data export solution as extension to the YANG-Push work X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 03:00:36 -0000 --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF28DDEDNKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, We just submitted two drafts on the distributed data export as extension to= the YANG-Push work. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-unyte-netconf-multi-stream-orig= inators This one we described the generic distributed data export mechanism. It all= ows one subscription to the main board to control the multiple exports from= line cards. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-unyte-netconf-udp-pub-channel This one is to define the UDP based publication channel to assist the above= mechanism. In the fact that most line cards do not support TCP connection. These two drafts are not new. We presented before in the past two years. But we now get some more solid requirements to do this. And we are now work= ing on an open source project "Unyte" to implement the closed loop. As usual, comments and review are welcome. Thanks, Tianran --_000_BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21BF28DDEDNKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi WG,

 

We just submitted two drafts on the distributed data= export as extension to the YANG-Push work.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /html/draft-unyte-netconf-multi-stream-originators

This one we described the generic distributed data e= xport mechanism. It allows one subscription to the main board to control th= e multiple exports from line cards.

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/dra= ft-unyte-netconf-udp-pub-channel

This one is to define the UDP based publication chan= nel to assist the above mechanism. In the fact that most line cards do not = support TCP connection.

 

These two drafts are not new. We presented before in= the past two years.

But we now get some more solid requirements to do th= is. And we are now working on an open source project  “UnyteR= 21; to implement the closed loop.

 

As usual, comments and review are welcome.

 

Thanks,

Tianran

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netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 07:18:24 -0000 Hi Rob, thank you for answers even though they are quite different from what I = expected. I tried to understand the behavior from the RFC having always= referenced the specific sections and I found nothing about invalid val= ues being allowed although there is no explicit prohibition. I would ma= ke sure explicit rules are included in whatever next YANG document is r= eleased. Also, you are saying "delete" on a uint32 leaf can occur without a valu= e (meaning it can never match a valid value) but in the next answer you= are saying you would check the value and return an error if it did not= match, which is an obvious inconsistency, so please clarify what you m= eant. As for the "remove" operation and not checking the value, what ex= actly would be the behavior? An error is never returned, that is writte= n in the RFC, but would the leaf actually be removed only if the value = matches or even when it does not? Regards, Michal On Friday, March 6, 2020 21:06 CET, "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" wrote: > [As a contributor] > > Hi Michal, > > Please see inline ... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: netconf On Behalf Of Michal Va=C5=A1= ko > > Sent: 06 March 2020 15:10 > > To: netconf > > Subject: [netconf] edit-config leaf without value > > > > Hello, > > we would like some input on a problem that was discussed several ti= mes > > based on our search of the mailing list archive but we are still no= t sure > > what the exact rules are. > > > > So, let's say we have YANG snippet > > > > leaf l { > > type uint32; > > } > > > > and edit-config config (assume correct namespaces) > > > > > > > > a) Is the example allowed? Meaning can the leaf "l" be without a va= lue > > (have an invalid value)? Based on the YANG 1.1 RFC [1] I would say = it > > cannot. > [RW] > Yes, a value does not need to be provided, but the leaf must previous= ly exist in the configuration, or an error is returned. > > I think that this would be the normal way this operation is expressed= . > > > > b) If it can be without a value, is it only in the case of "delete"= > > operation, otherwise it is an error? > [RW] > "remove" would be similar but would not error if the node doesn't exi= st. > > > c) If the leaf "l" had a string type, for example, and there was an= > > instance with value "string" in the datastore, would the edit-confi= g > > succeed and the leaf be deleted? In other words, when deleting a le= af, do > > the values have to match for a successful delete or not? In this ca= se, I > > would say the values do not have to match [2]. > [RW] > For a delete operation, if a value was provided, then I would check i= t or return an error if it did not match. > > For a remove operation, I wouldn't perform the check, and just remove= the node if it exists. > > > d) I am assuming none of this can work for a leaf-list [3] or list = [4], > > which must always have the exact value/keys no matter what the oper= ation > > on them is. > [RW] > Agreed. > > Thanks, > Rob > > > > > > Thank you for any clarification. > > > > Regards, > > Michal > > > > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.6 > > [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.7 > > [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.7.9 > > [4] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.8.6 > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= > > netconf mailing list > > netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Mon Mar 9 00:40:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683A83A08DD for ; 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I read this as the match is purely structural and not involving a comparison of the value of the element to be deleted or removed. /js PS: This is a NETCONF question, not a YANG question, hence any clarification necessary needs to go into a NETCONF document. On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 08:18:17AM +0100, Michal Vaško wrote: > Hi Rob, > thank you for answers even though they are quite different from what I expected. I tried to understand the behavior from the RFC having always referenced the specific sections and I found nothing about invalid values being allowed although there is no explicit prohibition. I would make sure explicit rules are included in whatever next YANG document is released. > > Also, you are saying "delete" on a uint32 leaf can occur without a value (meaning it can never match a valid value) but in the next answer you are saying you would check the value and return an error if it did not match, which is an obvious inconsistency, so please clarify what you meant. As for the "remove" operation and not checking the value, what exactly would be the behavior? An error is never returned, that is written in the RFC, but would the leaf actually be removed only if the value matches or even when it does not? > > Regards, > Michal > > On Friday, March 6, 2020 21:06 CET, "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" wrote: > > > [As a contributor] > > > > Hi Michal, > > > > Please see inline ... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: netconf On Behalf Of Michal Vaško > > > Sent: 06 March 2020 15:10 > > > To: netconf > > > Subject: [netconf] edit-config leaf without value > > > > > > Hello, > > > we would like some input on a problem that was discussed several times > > > based on our search of the mailing list archive but we are still not sure > > > what the exact rules are. > > > > > > So, let's say we have YANG snippet > > > > > > leaf l { > > > type uint32; > > > } > > > > > > and edit-config config (assume correct namespaces) > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Is the example allowed? Meaning can the leaf "l" be without a value > > > (have an invalid value)? Based on the YANG 1.1 RFC [1] I would say it > > > cannot. > > [RW] > > Yes, a value does not need to be provided, but the leaf must previously exist in the configuration, or an error is returned. > > > > I think that this would be the normal way this operation is expressed. > > > > > > > b) If it can be without a value, is it only in the case of "delete" > > > operation, otherwise it is an error? > > [RW] > > "remove" would be similar but would not error if the node doesn't exist. > > > > > c) If the leaf "l" had a string type, for example, and there was an > > > instance with value "string" in the datastore, would the edit-config > > > succeed and the leaf be deleted? In other words, when deleting a leaf, do > > > the values have to match for a successful delete or not? In this case, I > > > would say the values do not have to match [2]. > > [RW] > > For a delete operation, if a value was provided, then I would check it or return an error if it did not match. > > > > For a remove operation, I wouldn't perform the check, and just remove the node if it exists. > > > > > d) I am assuming none of this can work for a leaf-list [3] or list [4], > > > which must always have the exact value/keys no matter what the operation > > > on them is. > > [RW] > > Agreed. > > > > Thanks, > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for any clarification. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Michal > > > > > > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.6 > > > [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.7 > > > [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.7.9 > > > [4] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.8.6 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netconf mailing list > > > netconf@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > > > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Mar 9 05:57:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC02B3A0F25 for ; 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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1af0-5e65ed80-f-33fd2280@3977087> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] ?==?utf-8?q? edit-config leaf without value X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 12:57:16 -0000 Hi Rob, I agree with Michal, it is actually not clear what the "value not provide= d" mean. Because I understand to have a value w= hich is invalid for the uint32 type, but valid for for example in case of= string. By checking for the type, we would have types without possibilit= y to have "value not provided". So I believe that we can a) always check = the value or b) never check the value in case of delete/remove operation.= Acting according to the type seems confusing. When involving unions, wit= h the possibility to change type according to some external data, it woul= d be hell. Regards, Radek Dne 09. 03. 20 v 8:18 Michal Va=C5=A1ko napsal(a): > Hi Rob, > thank you for answers even though they are quite different from what I = expected. I tried to understand the behavior from the RFC having always r= eferenced the specific sections and I found nothing about invalid values = being allowed although there is no explicit prohibition. I would make sur= e explicit rules are included in whatever next YANG document is released.= > > Also, you are saying "delete" on a uint32 leaf can occur without a valu= e (meaning it can never match a valid value) but in the next answer you a= re saying you would check the value and return an error if it did not mat= ch, which is an obvious inconsistency, so please clarify what you meant. = As for the "remove" operation and not checking the value, what exactly wo= uld be the behavior? An error is never returned, that is written in the R= FC, but would the leaf actually be removed only if the value matches or e= ven when it does not? > > Regards, > Michal > > On Friday, March 6, 2020 21:06 CET, "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" wrote:=20 > =20 >> [As a contributor] >> >> Hi Michal, >> >> Please see inline ... >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: netconf On Behalf Of Michal Va=C5=A1= ko >>> Sent: 06 March 2020 15:10 >>> To: netconf >>> Subject: [netconf] edit-config leaf without value >>> >>> Hello, >>> we would like some input on a problem that was discussed several time= s >>> based on our search of the mailing list archive but we are still not = sure >>> what the exact rules are. >>> >>> So, let's say we have YANG snippet >>> >>> leaf l { >>> type uint32; >>> } >>> >>> and edit-config config (assume correct namespaces) >>> >>> >>> >>> a) Is the example allowed? Meaning can the leaf "l" be without a valu= e >>> (have an invalid value)? Based on the YANG 1.1 RFC [1] I would say it= >>> cannot. >> [RW]=20 >> Yes, a value does not need to be provided, but the leaf must previousl= y exist in the configuration, or an error is returned. >> >> I think that this would be the normal way this operation is expressed.= >> >> >>> b) If it can be without a value, is it only in the case of "delete" >>> operation, otherwise it is an error? >> [RW]=20 >> "remove" would be similar but would not error if the node doesn't exis= t. >> >>> c) If the leaf "l" had a string type, for example, and there was an >>> instance with value "string" in the datastore, would the edit-config >>> succeed and the leaf be deleted? In other words, when deleting a leaf= , do >>> the values have to match for a successful delete or not? In this case= , I >>> would say the values do not have to match [2]. >> [RW]=20 >> For a delete operation, if a value was provided, then I would check it= or return an error if it did not match. >> >> For a remove operation, I wouldn't perform the check, and just remove = the node if it exists. >> >>> d) I am assuming none of this can work for a leaf-list [3] or list [4= ], >>> which must always have the exact value/keys no matter what the operat= ion >>> on them is. >> [RW]=20 >> Agreed. >> >> Thanks, >> Rob >> >> >>> Thank you for any clarification. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Michal >>> >>> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.6 >>> [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.7 >>> [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.7.9 >>> [4] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.8.6 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> netconf mailing list >>> netconf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > =20 > =20 > > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --=20 Radek Krejci mobile : +420 732 212 714 office : +420 234 680 256 e-mail : rkrejci@cesnet.cz LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/radekkrejci CESNET, Association of Legal Entities Zikova 4 Office: Bozetechova 1 160 00 Praha 6 612 66 Brno Czech Republic Czech Republic From nobody Mon Mar 9 06:01:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9F03A0F39 for ; 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Some implementations may complain about a type violations before processing the operation attributes, others may not look at the type until they process values. /js On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 01:57:05PM +0100, Radek Krejčí wrote: > Hi Rob, > > I agree with Michal, it is actually not clear what the "value not provided" mean. Because I understand to have a value which is invalid for the uint32 type, but valid for for example in case of string. By checking for the type, we would have types without possibility to have "value not provided". So I believe that we can a) always check the value or b) never check the value in case of delete/remove operation. Acting according to the type seems confusing. When involving unions, with the possibility to change type according to some external data, it would be hell. > > Regards, > Radek > > > Dne 09. 03. 20 v 8:18 Michal Vaško napsal(a): > > Hi Rob, > > thank you for answers even though they are quite different from what I expected. I tried to understand the behavior from the RFC having always referenced the specific sections and I found nothing about invalid values being allowed although there is no explicit prohibition. I would make sure explicit rules are included in whatever next YANG document is released. > > > > Also, you are saying "delete" on a uint32 leaf can occur without a value (meaning it can never match a valid value) but in the next answer you are saying you would check the value and return an error if it did not match, which is an obvious inconsistency, so please clarify what you meant. As for the "remove" operation and not checking the value, what exactly would be the behavior? An error is never returned, that is written in the RFC, but would the leaf actually be removed only if the value matches or even when it does not? > > > > Regards, > > Michal > > > > On Friday, March 6, 2020 21:06 CET, "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" wrote: > > > >> [As a contributor] > >> > >> Hi Michal, > >> > >> Please see inline ... > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: netconf On Behalf Of Michal Vaško > >>> Sent: 06 March 2020 15:10 > >>> To: netconf > >>> Subject: [netconf] edit-config leaf without value > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> we would like some input on a problem that was discussed several times > >>> based on our search of the mailing list archive but we are still not sure > >>> what the exact rules are. > >>> > >>> So, let's say we have YANG snippet > >>> > >>> leaf l { > >>> type uint32; > >>> } > >>> > >>> and edit-config config (assume correct namespaces) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> a) Is the example allowed? Meaning can the leaf "l" be without a value > >>> (have an invalid value)? Based on the YANG 1.1 RFC [1] I would say it > >>> cannot. > >> [RW] > >> Yes, a value does not need to be provided, but the leaf must previously exist in the configuration, or an error is returned. > >> > >> I think that this would be the normal way this operation is expressed. > >> > >> > >>> b) If it can be without a value, is it only in the case of "delete" > >>> operation, otherwise it is an error? > >> [RW] > >> "remove" would be similar but would not error if the node doesn't exist. > >> > >>> c) If the leaf "l" had a string type, for example, and there was an > >>> instance with value "string" in the datastore, would the edit-config > >>> succeed and the leaf be deleted? In other words, when deleting a leaf, do > >>> the values have to match for a successful delete or not? In this case, I > >>> would say the values do not have to match [2]. > >> [RW] > >> For a delete operation, if a value was provided, then I would check it or return an error if it did not match. > >> > >> For a remove operation, I wouldn't perform the check, and just remove the node if it exists. > >> > >>> d) I am assuming none of this can work for a leaf-list [3] or list [4], > >>> which must always have the exact value/keys no matter what the operation > >>> on them is. > >> [RW] > >> Agreed. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Rob > >> > >> > >>> Thank you for any clarification. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Michal > >>> > >>> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.6 > >>> [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.7 > >>> [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.7.9 > >>> [4] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.8.6 > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> netconf mailing list > >>> netconf@ietf.org > >>> 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the option a)? So the value processing (and type violat= ion reporting) must be always checked (no matter when). Maybe I'm just no= t getting your point. What is the expected result of edit-config's in= case i) l is uint32 and node l is present with value "1" ii) l is string and node l is present with value "x" What is the "value not present" representation for string? Regards, Radek Dne 09. 03. 20 v 14:01 Juergen Schoenwaelder napsal(a): > I think when and how type checking is done is rather implementation > specific. Some implementations may complain about a type violations > before processing the operation attributes, others may not look at the > type until they process values. > > /js > > On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 01:57:05PM +0100, Radek Krej=C4=8D=C3=AD wrote:= >> Hi Rob, >> >> I agree with Michal, it is actually not clear what the "value not prov= ided" mean. Because I understand to have a valu= e which is invalid for the uint32 type, but valid for for example in case= of string. By checking for the type, we would have types without possibi= lity to have "value not provided". So I believe that we can a) always che= ck the value or b) never check the value in case of delete/remove operati= on. Acting according to the type seems confusing. When involving unions, = with the possibility to change type according to some external data, it w= ould be hell. >> >> Regards, >> Radek >> >> >> Dne 09. 03. 20 v 8:18 Michal Va=C5=A1ko napsal(a): >>> Hi Rob, >>> thank you for answers even though they are quite different from what = I expected. I tried to understand the behavior from the RFC having always= referenced the specific sections and I found nothing about invalid value= s being allowed although there is no explicit prohibition. I would make s= ure explicit rules are included in whatever next YANG document is release= d. >>> >>> Also, you are saying "delete" on a uint32 leaf can occur without a va= lue (meaning it can never match a valid value) but in the next answer you= are saying you would check the value and return an error if it did not m= atch, which is an obvious inconsistency, so please clarify what you meant= =2E As for the "remove" operation and not checking the value, what exactl= y would be the behavior? An error is never returned, that is written in t= he RFC, but would the leaf actually be removed only if the value matches = or even when it does not? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Michal >>> >>> On Friday, March 6, 2020 21:06 CET, "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" wrote:=20 >>> =20 >>>> [As a contributor] >>>> >>>> Hi Michal, >>>> >>>> Please see inline ... >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: netconf On Behalf Of Michal Va=C5=A1= ko >>>>> Sent: 06 March 2020 15:10 >>>>> To: netconf >>>>> Subject: [netconf] edit-config leaf without value >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> we would like some input on a problem that was discussed several ti= mes >>>>> based on our search of the mailing list archive but we are still no= t sure >>>>> what the exact rules are. >>>>> >>>>> So, let's say we have YANG snippet >>>>> >>>>> leaf l { >>>>> type uint32; >>>>> } >>>>> >>>>> and edit-config config (assume correct namespaces) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> a) Is the example allowed? Meaning can the leaf "l" be without a va= lue >>>>> (have an invalid value)? Based on the YANG 1.1 RFC [1] I would say = it >>>>> cannot. >>>> [RW]=20 >>>> Yes, a value does not need to be provided, but the leaf must previou= sly exist in the configuration, or an error is returned. >>>> >>>> I think that this would be the normal way this operation is expresse= d. >>>> >>>> >>>>> b) If it can be without a value, is it only in the case of "delete"= >>>>> operation, otherwise it is an error? >>>> [RW]=20 >>>> "remove" would be similar but would not error if the node doesn't ex= ist. >>>> >>>>> c) If the leaf "l" had a string type, for example, and there was an= >>>>> instance with value "string" in the datastore, would the edit-confi= g >>>>> succeed and the leaf be deleted? In other words, when deleting a le= af, do >>>>> the values have to match for a successful delete or not? In this ca= se, I >>>>> would say the values do not have to match [2]. >>>> [RW]=20 >>>> For a delete operation, if a value was provided, then I would check = it or return an error if it did not match. >>>> >>>> For a remove operation, I wouldn't perform the check, and just remov= e the node if it exists. >>>> >>>>> d) I am assuming none of this can work for a leaf-list [3] or list = [4], >>>>> which must always have the exact value/keys no matter what the oper= ation >>>>> on them is. >>>> [RW]=20 >>>> Agreed. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thank you for any clarification. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Michal >>>>> >>>>> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.6 >>>>> [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.7 >>>>> [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.7.9 >>>>> [4] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.8.6 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> netconf mailing list >>>>> netconf@ietf.org >>>>> 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This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : Generic YANG-related System Capabilities and YANG-Push Notification Capabilities Authors : Balazs Lengyel Alexander Clemm Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2020-03-09 Abstract: This document proposes two YANG modules. The module ietf-system- capabilities provides a structure that can be used to specify any YANG related system capability. The module ietf-notification-capabilities allows a publisher to specify capabilities related to "Subscription to YANG Datastores" (YANG-Push). It proposes to use YANG Instance Data to document this information and make it already available at implementation-time, but also allow it to be reported at run-time. 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I updated the draft=20 - Enhanced the description of max-nodes-per-update - Formatted the modules to with pyang to be no longer than 69 = characters.=20 - Added mandatory references about imports Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 9., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 15:49 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel ; Alexander Clemm = ; Benoit Claise Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt A new version of I-D, = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt has been successfully submitted by Balazs Lengyel and posted to the IETF = repository. Name: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities Revision: 12 Title: Generic YANG-related System Capabilities and YANG-Push = Notification Capabilities Document date: 2020-03-09 Group: netconf Pages: 25 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capa= bilities-12.txt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabili= ties/ Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-= 12 Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-cap= abilities Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netconf-notification-capab= ilities-12 Abstract: This document proposes two YANG modules. The module ietf-system- capabilities provides a structure that can be used to specify any YANG related system capability. The module ietf-notification-capabilities allows a publisher to specify capabilities related to "Subscription to YANG Datastores" (YANG-Push). 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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 14:58:09 -0000 Thanks Rob, Dne 09. 03. 20 v 15:33 Rob Wilton (rwilton) napsal(a): > Hi Radek, > > Let's consider the "remove" case because that one is simpler: > > I don't think that it makes sense to require the client to specify a va= lue for a leaf that is being removed. I read the semantics of "remove" t= o be best effort, i.e. remove the leaf if you can, and ignore it silently= if you cannot (e.g. the leaf does not exist). agreed > If a client also provides a value for the leaf being removed, and it ma= tches what the server holds, then that would seem fine but unnecessary, b= ut the leaf should be deleted. > > If a client provides a value that doesn=E2=80=99t type check during a r= emove, then the behaviour is probably undefined. Some servers might reje= ct the request because it doesn't type check, others might be graceful in= what they receive and delete the leaf anyway. However, I'm not sure tha= t I regard not providing a value as a type check failure when considering= a remove or a delete operation. > > Having looked at both the NETCONF and YANG specs, it is unclear to me w= hat behaviour is expected if the value type checks but differs from what = the server holds. E.g. is the request "remove leaf foo if it exists", or= is the request "remove leaf foo if it exists with value 5"? My understa= nding of Juergen's interpretation is that it is only meant to be the form= er, which does seem to be backed up by section 7.6.7 of RFC 7950, given t= hat it only mentions existence and not checking values. ok, agreed. We are going this way and handle the edit-config data more li= ke a filter with some additional attributes than a standard data. Regards, Radek > > Considering the "delete" operation, I think that the behaviour should b= e the same as "remove", except that the request must be failed if the tar= get node doesn=E2=80=99t exist. > > I suspect that it is better if clients don't provide values in either "= remove" or "delete" requests. Whatever is decided by the WG, raising an = issue on the NETCONF github issue tracker would seem to be a good idea. > > Regards, > Rob > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Radek Krej=C4=8D=C3=AD >> Sent: 09 March 2020 12:57 >> To: Michal Va=C5=A1ko ; Rob Wilton (rwilton) >> >> Cc: netconf >> Subject: Re: [netconf] ?=3D=3D?utf-8?q? edit-config leaf without value= >> >> Hi Rob, >> >> I agree with Michal, it is actually not clear what the "value not >> provided" mean. Because I understand to have= a >> value which is invalid for the uint32 type, but valid for for example = in >> case of string. By checking for the type, we would have types without >> possibility to have "value not provided". So I believe that we can a) >> always check the value or b) never check the value in case of >> delete/remove operation. Acting according to the type seems confusing.= >> When involving unions, with the possibility to change type according t= o >> some external data, it would be hell. >> >> Regards, >> Radek >> >> >> Dne 09. 03. 20 v 8:18 Michal Va=C5=A1ko napsal(a): >>> Hi Rob, >>> thank you for answers even though they are quite different from what = I >> expected. I tried to understand the behavior from the RFC having alway= s >> referenced the specific sections and I found nothing about invalid val= ues >> being allowed although there is no explicit prohibition. I would make = sure >> explicit rules are included in whatever next YANG document is released= =2E >>> Also, you are saying "delete" on a uint32 leaf can occur without a va= lue >> (meaning it can never match a valid value) but in the next answer you = are >> saying you would check the value and return an error if it did not mat= ch, >> which is an obvious inconsistency, so please clarify what you meant. A= s >> for the "remove" operation and not checking the value, what exactly wo= uld >> be the behavior? An error is never returned, that is written in the RF= C, >> but would the leaf actually be removed only if the value matches or ev= en >> when it does not? >>> Regards, >>> Michal >>> >>> On Friday, March 6, 2020 21:06 CET, "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" >> wrote: >>>> [As a contributor] >>>> >>>> Hi Michal, >>>> >>>> Please see inline ... >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: netconf On Behalf Of Michal Va=C5=A1= ko >>>>> Sent: 06 March 2020 15:10 >>>>> To: netconf >>>>> Subject: [netconf] edit-config leaf without value >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> we would like some input on a problem that was discussed several >>>>> times based on our search of the mailing list archive but we are >>>>> still not sure what the exact rules are. >>>>> >>>>> So, let's say we have YANG snippet >>>>> >>>>> leaf l { >>>>> type uint32; >>>>> } >>>>> >>>>> and edit-config config (assume correct namespaces) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> a) Is the example allowed? Meaning can the leaf "l" be without a >>>>> value (have an invalid value)? Based on the YANG 1.1 RFC [1] I woul= d >>>>> say it cannot. >>>> [RW] >>>> Yes, a value does not need to be provided, but the leaf must previou= sly >> exist in the configuration, or an error is returned. >>>> I think that this would be the normal way this operation is expresse= d. >>>> >>>> >>>>> b) If it can be without a value, is it only in the case of "delete"= >>>>> operation, otherwise it is an error? >>>> [RW] >>>> "remove" would be similar but would not error if the node doesn't >> exist. >>>>> c) If the leaf "l" had a string type, for example, and there was an= >>>>> instance with value "string" in the datastore, would the edit-confi= g >>>>> succeed and the leaf be deleted? In other words, when deleting a >>>>> leaf, do the values have to match for a successful delete or not? I= n >>>>> this case, I would say the values do not have to match [2]. >>>> [RW] >>>> For a delete operation, if a value was provided, then I would check = it >> or return an error if it did not match. >>>> For a remove operation, I wouldn't perform the check, and just remov= e >> the node if it exists. >>>>> d) I am assuming none of this can work for a leaf-list [3] or list >>>>> [4], which must always have the exact value/keys no matter what the= >>>>> operation on them is. >>>> [RW] >>>> Agreed. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thank you for any clarification. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Michal >>>>> >>>>> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.6 >>>>> [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.7 >>>>> [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.7.9 >>>>> [4] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.8.6 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> netconf mailing list >>>>> netconf@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> netconf mailing list >>> netconf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >> -- >> Radek Krejci >> mobile : +420 732 212 714 >> office : +420 234 680 256 >> e-mail : rkrejci@cesnet.cz >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/radekkrejci >> >> CESNET, Association of Legal Entities >> Zikova 4 Office: Bozetechova 1 >> 160 00 Praha 6 612 66 Brno >> Czech Republic Czech Republic >> From nobody Mon Mar 9 09:03:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33CC3A1335 for ; 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X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: 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 X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData: jx8o+yS//OIVpH/s5IrrxyEkn1zif4N9+g4mzKyWKqIkzKA4KfSBh1HaanLseGwbNADc7aCAfbW70ZcLEruTjEtGlPMiIK1RLdnjaZMMnRmD3q/0B9qTS5gZAj+m/3EzU3212/LrwXfsO210soT+Zg== X-OriginatorOrg: jacobs-university.de X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: f5eaada0-1fb2-4342-8096-08d7c4435360 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2020 16:02:53.8250 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: f78e973e-5c0b-4ab8-bbd7-9887c95a8ebd X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-MailboxType: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-UserPrincipalName: xQ+ML62seTV5TJQiHgtW4eXdnDaGxylwae6CyCwCXFdRM5lmcezAOf3axcBZoH9RaBiGPYWfzVmDqSxztK4h31p81G0h48dc0Va93u0Isus= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM4P190MB0177 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] ?==?utf-8?q? edit-config leaf without value X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 16:03:07 -0000 The NETCONF specification is largely silent about the details of the processing of requests, other protocols are much more explicit. Hence, it is often difficult to declare something 'right' or 'wrong'; all we can do is to recognize that for certain requests implementations may be behave differently. Some may do the delete without looking at the value at all, others may check types first and return an error before they attempt to process the operation. /js On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 03:00:46PM +0100, Radek Krejčí wrote: > So your answer is the option a)? So the value processing (and type violation reporting) must be always checked (no matter when). Maybe I'm just not getting your point. > > What is the expected result of edit-config's in case > > i) l is uint32 and node l is present with value "1" > > ii) l is string and node l is present with value "x" > > What is the "value not present" representation for string? > > Regards, > Radek > > > Dne 09. 03. 20 v 14:01 Juergen Schoenwaelder napsal(a): > > I think when and how type checking is done is rather implementation > > specific. Some implementations may complain about a type violations > > before processing the operation attributes, others may not look at the > > type until they process values. > > > > /js > > > > On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 01:57:05PM +0100, Radek Krejčí wrote: > >> Hi Rob, > >> > >> I agree with Michal, it is actually not clear what the "value not provided" mean. Because I understand to have a value which is invalid for the uint32 type, but valid for for example in case of string. By checking for the type, we would have types without possibility to have "value not provided". So I believe that we can a) always check the value or b) never check the value in case of delete/remove operation. Acting according to the type seems confusing. When involving unions, with the possibility to change type according to some external data, it would be hell. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Radek > >> > >> > >> Dne 09. 03. 20 v 8:18 Michal Vaško napsal(a): > >>> Hi Rob, > >>> thank you for answers even though they are quite different from what I expected. I tried to understand the behavior from the RFC having always referenced the specific sections and I found nothing about invalid values being allowed although there is no explicit prohibition. I would make sure explicit rules are included in whatever next YANG document is released. > >>> > >>> Also, you are saying "delete" on a uint32 leaf can occur without a value (meaning it can never match a valid value) but in the next answer you are saying you would check the value and return an error if it did not match, which is an obvious inconsistency, so please clarify what you meant. As for the "remove" operation and not checking the value, what exactly would be the behavior? An error is never returned, that is written in the RFC, but would the leaf actually be removed only if the value matches or even when it does not? > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Michal > >>> > >>> On Friday, March 6, 2020 21:06 CET, "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" wrote: > >>> > >>>> [As a contributor] > >>>> > >>>> Hi Michal, > >>>> > >>>> Please see inline ... > >>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: netconf On Behalf Of Michal Vaško > >>>>> Sent: 06 March 2020 15:10 > >>>>> To: netconf > >>>>> Subject: [netconf] edit-config leaf without value > >>>>> > >>>>> Hello, > >>>>> we would like some input on a problem that was discussed several times > >>>>> based on our search of the mailing list archive but we are still not sure > >>>>> what the exact rules are. > >>>>> > >>>>> So, let's say we have YANG snippet > >>>>> > >>>>> leaf l { > >>>>> type uint32; > >>>>> } > >>>>> > >>>>> and edit-config config (assume correct namespaces) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> a) Is the example allowed? Meaning can the leaf "l" be without a value > >>>>> (have an invalid value)? Based on the YANG 1.1 RFC [1] I would say it > >>>>> cannot. > >>>> [RW] > >>>> Yes, a value does not need to be provided, but the leaf must previously exist in the configuration, or an error is returned. > >>>> > >>>> I think that this would be the normal way this operation is expressed. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> b) If it can be without a value, is it only in the case of "delete" > >>>>> operation, otherwise it is an error? > >>>> [RW] > >>>> "remove" would be similar but would not error if the node doesn't exist. > >>>> > >>>>> c) If the leaf "l" had a string type, for example, and there was an > >>>>> instance with value "string" in the datastore, would the edit-config > >>>>> succeed and the leaf be deleted? In other words, when deleting a leaf, do > >>>>> the values have to match for a successful delete or not? In this case, I > >>>>> would say the values do not have to match [2]. > >>>> [RW] > >>>> For a delete operation, if a value was provided, then I would check it or return an error if it did not match. > >>>> > >>>> For a remove operation, I wouldn't perform the check, and just remove the node if it exists. > >>>> > >>>>> d) I am assuming none of this can work for a leaf-list [3] or list [4], > >>>>> which must always have the exact value/keys no matter what the operation > >>>>> on them is. > >>>> [RW] > >>>> Agreed. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Rob > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Thank you for any clarification. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Michal > >>>>> > >>>>> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.6 > >>>>> [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.6.7 > >>>>> [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.7.9 > >>>>> [4] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.8.6 > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> netconf mailing list > >>>>> netconf@ietf.org > >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> netconf mailing list > >>> netconf@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > >> -- > >> Radek Krejci > >> mobile : +420 732 212 714 > >> office : +420 234 680 256 > >> e-mail : rkrejci@cesnet.cz > >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/radekkrejci > >> > >> CESNET, Association of Legal Entities > >> Zikova 4 Office: Bozetechova 1 > >> 160 00 Praha 6 612 66 Brno > >> Czech Republic Czech Republic > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> netconf mailing list > >> netconf@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Mar 9 09:21:46 2020 Return-Path: <01000170c01a04e8-d5507c48-dac3-4554-8fd1-7abb48a9fbce-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549F13A1396 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 09:21:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kri_CMMGVB9p for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 09:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-88.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-88.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06D273A1390 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 09:21:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1583770895; h=From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:References:To:Date:Feedback-ID; bh=JaXAZLf+EzbXN/jVe2WmcVnnWwWofnYW6YkjQTROdok=; b=NEchbaNov2jTp/Sns2fQQOVA/otlXnZ+K5KtND6ItvZyIoXuUFZjyuoYK5EtTw/J WrZe2pVxBLHxl5+UnZ9rO/kMplOCf3n9Nw/vIiP307GrdgbSZ5iIm4GvHUx7K+nKR9f g8crq54/NegRSIgz23QHp9U9wY1mOBjIx+KQebM0= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_00B369C0-A555-40EE-B08B-D0771E0AE8F4" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-ID: <01000170c01a04e8-d5507c48-dac3-4554-8fd1-7abb48a9fbce-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <15C8F1D1-B560-4D52-8D77-377C6B1C0518@tzi.org> To: "netconf@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 16:21:35 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.09-54.240.8.88 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] =?utf-8?b?RndkOiBbbmV0bW9kXSDwn5SUIFdHIExhc3QgQ2FsbCBv?= =?utf-8?q?f_CORECONF_drafts=3A_draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12=2C_-sid-11=2C?= =?utf-8?q?_-comi-09=2C_-yang-library-01?= X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 16:21:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_00B369C0-A555-40EE-B08B-D0771E0AE8F4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 [Forwarding to NETCONF] Heads-up: the CORE WG just started WGLC on CORECONF. K. > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Carsten Bormann > Subject: [netmod] =F0=9F=94=94 WG Last Call of CORECONF drafts: = draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12, -sid-11, -comi-09, -yang-library-01 > Date: March 9, 2020 at 9:04:32 AM EDT > To: core > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Reply-To: "core@ietf.org WG" >=20 > It took us a long time to get the four CORECONF drafts in sync,=20 > but now we are ready for WGLC. >=20 > This starts a working group last call for > =E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12 > =E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-sid-11 > =E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-comi-09 > =E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-yang-library-01 >=20 > ending on >=20 > 24:00 UTC on Tuesday, March 31, 2020. >=20 > (This includes some extra time for the IETF week and for cross-WG > coordination.) >=20 > This WGLC is copied to the netmod WG mailing list; please do have a = look=20 > at these drafts as they are slated to become a part of the greater > YANG/NETCONF/RESTCONF family. We intend the discussion to be on the > CoRE mailing list, but if you find a fundamental issue with YANG or=20 > RESTCONF, feel free to discuss that on netmod instead. >=20 > Please start a new email thread for each major issue that will need > discussion and make sure the subject line includes the draft name and > some sort of name for the issue. (Minor issues such as typos can also > be sent to the authors.) >=20 > If you read the draft and think it looks fine, please send a one line=20= > email to the list or to the chairs letting us know that so we can get=20= > a feel of how broad the review has been. >=20 > (To reviewers and authors:) If you are aware of any patent claims = that > might apply to systems that implement these drafts, please review BCP = 78 > and BCP 79 and make any appropriate IPR declaration before the = last-call > ends. If you are not sure whether you need to make a declaration or = not,=20 > please talk to the chairs and we will help. >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_00B369C0-A555-40EE-B08B-D0771E0AE8F4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
[Forwarding to NETCONF]

Heads-up: the CORE WG just started WGLC on = CORECONF.

K.


Begin = forwarded message:

From: = Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
Subject: = [netmod] =F0=9F=94=94= WG Last Call of CORECONF drafts: draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12, -sid-11, = -comi-09, -yang-library-01
Date: = March 9, 2020 at 9:04:32 AM = EDT
To: = core <core@ietf.org>
Cc: = netmod@ietf.org
Reply-To: = "core@ietf.org WG" <core@ietf.org>

It took us a long time to get = the four CORECONF drafts in sync,
but now we are ready = for WGLC.

This starts a working group last = call for
=E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12
=E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-sid-11
=E2=80=94 = draft-ietf-core-comi-09
=E2=80=94 = draft-ietf-core-yang-library-01

ending = on

24:00 UTC on Tuesday, March 31, = 2020.

(This includes some extra time for = the IETF week and for cross-WG
coordination.)

This WGLC is copied to the netmod WG mailing = list; please do have a look
at these drafts as they are = slated to become a part of the greater
YANG/NETCONF/RESTCONF= family.  We intend the discussion to be on the
CoRE = mailing list, but if you find a fundamental issue with YANG or
RESTCONF, feel free to discuss that on netmod instead.

Please start a new email thread for each major = issue that will need
discussion and make sure the subject = line includes the draft name and
some sort of name for the = issue.  (Minor issues such as typos can also
be sent = to the authors.)

If you read the draft and = think it looks fine, please send a one line
email to the = list or to the chairs letting us know that so we can get
a = feel of how broad the review has been.

(To = reviewers and authors:)  If you are aware of any patent claims = that
might apply to systems that implement these drafts, = please review BCP 78
and BCP 79 and make any appropriate = IPR declaration before the last-call
ends. If you are not = sure whether you need to make a declaration or not,
please = talk to the chairs and we will help.

Gr=C3=BC= =C3=9Fe, Carsten

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Mon, 9 Mar 2020 18:33:36 +0000 From: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" To: "netconf@ietf.org" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bal=E1zs_Lengyel?= , "draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 Thread-Index: AQHV5fT97GQMgsC5TEuE1GmMKTxx36ggKT0AgBjpugCAB5/HwA== Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 18:33:36 +0000 Message-ID: References: <0100017055c347e5-13b624a9-04c0-4ba5-8a53-26a80f079607-000000@email.amazonses.com> <0100017055e833dd-1a2ecac4-53e4-4bb7-aab9-f75516c5fd38-000000@email.amazonses.com> <01000170a78abdde-66112ceb-d466-4c72-ad18-6058ef07ab02-000000@email.amazonses.com> In-Reply-To: <01000170a78abdde-66112ceb-d466-4c72-ad18-6058ef07ab02-000000@email.amazonses.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=rwilton@cisco.com; x-originating-ip: [2001:420:c0c0:1002::af] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: bfeec108-a9fc-443f-8c6e-08d7c4586149 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BY5PR11MB4419: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:10000; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: bfeec108-a9fc-443f-8c6e-08d7c4586149 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 09 Mar 2020 18:33:36.3041 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: tC6hcVGYNCxkBl8x87zE+q3sf9+MczBx0RFDsjcotbKp95QdGAALvk5ZXSnnT80JdBL6+x/H/zcfZ5xzZ/cRFA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY5PR11MB4419 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.14, xch-aln-004.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-4.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 18:33:53 -0000 Hi, Thank you for this work. I've reviewed this document as an individual cont= ributor and also as an early incoming AD review. Overall comments: I support the progression of this work, I think that it is both useful and = important, and the document is well written. I like the split into two sep= arate YANG modules covering system capabilities vs YANG push notifications.= I think that in an ideal world this work would probably be split into two= separate documents, one covering system capabilities, and the second for n= otification capabilities. In particular, I could imagine the system capabi= lities evolving over time. However, I also understand the desire to comple= te this work, and I don't want to delay it. Comments on individual sections: 1. Title: Perhaps it would be more accurate to name it as=20 "YANG Modules for describing System Capabilities and Yang-Push Notificat= ion Capabilities?" =20 2. Abstract I propose that you rework the text to. =20 OLD: =20 This document proposes two YANG modules. The module ietf-system- capabilities provides a structure that can be used to specify any YANG related system capability. The module ietf-notification-capabilities allows a publisher to specify capabilities related to "Subscription to YANG Datastores" (YANG-Push). It proposes to use YANG Instance Data to document this information and make it already available at implementation-time, but also allow it to be reported at run-time. =20 NEW: =20 This document defines two YANG modules: =20 The module ietf-system-capabilities provides a structure that can be used to specify YANG related system capabilities for servers. The modul= e can be used in conjunction with YANG Instance Data to make this informat= ion available at implementation-time. The module can also be used to report capability information from the server at run-time. The module ietf-notification-capabilities augments ietf-system-capabilit= ies to specify capabilities related to "Subscription to YANG Datastores" (YANG-Push).=20 3. Terminology: - Please add a reference to "instance data" from draft-lengyel-netmod-yang-= instance-data - Add the sentence: "In addition, this document defines the following terms= :" - Perhaps change "On-change Notification Capability" -> "On-change notifica= tion capability"? - Move the definition of on-change notification capability last. - Implementation-time information and Run-time information. I think that t= hese definitions should only be defined in terms of "server" and not "publi= sher", because I think that these considerations apply to all system capabi= lities, not only notifications. Perhaps also reference YANG instance data. E.g. OLD: Implementation-time information: Information about the publisher's or server's behavior that is made available during the implementation of the publisher/server, available from a source other then a running server. Run-time information: Information about the publisher's or server's behavior that is available from the running server via management protocols such as NETCONF [RFC6241] or RESTCONF [RFC8040]. NEW: Implementation-time information: Information about the server's behavior that is made available during the implementation of the server, available from a source other then a running server, such as YANG Instance Data [XXXX]. Run-time information: Information about the server's behavior that is available from the running server via management protocols such as NETCONF [RFC6241] or RESTCONF [RFC8040]. =20 4. Section 2: Please state that the YANG modules are compliant to NMDA. 5. YANG model: - Does "minimum-dampening-period" only apply of "on-change-supported" is en= abled. If so, it might be helpful for the description to state this. I wo= uld also put the "on-change-supported" leaf before the "minimum-dampening-p= eriod" leaf. - Does "minimum-dampening-period" only apply if dampening is requested, or = does that mean that dampening is always required? The text may need to be = clarified. Otherwise, I'm concerned about the on-change notification for i= nterface statistics ... that could generate a lot of notifications ;-) - For both "minimum-dampening-period" and on-change-supported", can probabl= y remove "data store or" from the description. - Suggest moving "supported-excluded-change-type" above periodic-notificati= ons-supported, to keep all the on-change options together. I'm also not pa= rticularly keen on the negative enumeration values, having them as positive= values would seem more normal to me. 6. Section 6 (Security): Is there a risk that the capabilities information, if available offline and= also from a device, could be used to fingerprint the device and gain infor= mation about what version of software/hardware is being run? 7. Could you please add a brief section to thank folks who have contributed= and reviewed this work. - I think that it easier to get reviews, if the time/effort spent in the re= view is acknowledged. 8. Appendix A: - Your examples look like they probably have some introduced line wrapping = (e.g. for the description, node-selector, and others). Perhaps we should b= e using the artwork draft for this, or alternatively add a comment that lin= espaces have been introduced in various fields to improve readability. - Perhaps: OLD: The following example is instance-data describing the notification capabilities of a hypothetical "acme-switch" ... =20 NEW: The following instance-data example describes the notification capabilities of a hypothetical "acme-switch" ... - First example: " " should be outdented at two spaces aft= er first block. - I would normally expect candidate/running to be listed before operational= , although there is obviously no harm in having it the other way. =20 9. Appendix B: - Please add a note to ask the RFC Editor to remove this section on public= ation. =20 Nits: - Please check for full stops (e.g. terminology) Thanks, Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: netconf On Behalf Of Kent Watsen > Sent: 04 March 2020 21:54 > To: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities= - > 11 >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to progress > the document at this time. The chairs have therefore decided to extend > the WGLC for another two weeks, now ending March 18th. >=20 > Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe > it is ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful and important= , > even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also > welcomed at this time. >=20 > The NETCONF Chairs >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > On Feb 17, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > > > FWIW, this is WGLC #2, after the major updates resulting from WGLC #1 > (in October). > > > > K. > > > > > >> On Feb 17, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > >> > >> This message begins a two-week WGLC for draft-ietf-netconf- > notification-capabilities-11 ending on March 2nd (a week before the IETF > 107 submission cutoff deadline). Here is a direct link to the HTML > version of the draft: > >> > >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification- > capabilities-11 > >> > >> Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it i= s > ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, even > from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed at > this time. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> NETCONF Chairs > >> _______________________________________________ > >> netconf mailing list > >> netconf@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netconf mailing list > > netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Mon Mar 9 15:31:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A3C3A0800; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 15:31:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <158379310669.5558.7461060648782005337@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 15:31:46 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-02.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:31:47 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : An HTTPS-based Transport for Configured Subscriptions Authors : Mahesh Jethanandani Kent Watsen Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-02.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2020-03-09 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data module for configuring HTTPS based configured subscription, as defined in RFC 8639. The use of HTTPS maximizes transport-level interoperability, while allowing for encoding selection from text, e.g. XML or JSON, to binary. 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([2601:647:5600:5020:c66:ef44:8f0b:9230]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id mt19sm205551pjb.5.2020.03.09.20.47.26 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Mar 2020 20:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Message-Id: <53B69FD5-0834-4943-A33A-1596FD3434BD@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5181A0B9-B4D4-4F2B-B195-E6188782F1FC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 20:47:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: <01000170a78abdde-66112ceb-d466-4c72-ad18-6058ef07ab02-000000@email.amazonses.com> Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" To: Kent Watsen References: <0100017055c347e5-13b624a9-04c0-4ba5-8a53-26a80f079607-000000@email.amazonses.com> <0100017055e833dd-1a2ecac4-53e4-4bb7-aab9-f75516c5fd38-000000@email.amazonses.com> <01000170a78abdde-66112ceb-d466-4c72-ad18-6058ef07ab02-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 03:47:58 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5181A0B9-B4D4-4F2B-B195-E6188782F1FC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I support the publication of this draft, but would like some of the = issues addressed in the document. They are mostly nits that I am hoping = can be addressed before sending it to IESG. I reviewed the -12 version = of the document. s 2 Introduction s/as it part of/as it is part of/ s/Examples include:/Examples include/ s/even to individual/even individual/ s/both in implementation-time/both at implementation-time/ s 2.1 YANG-push Notification Capabilities OLD: to check that capability information provided early, already in implementation-time is indeed what the publisher implements (is the supplied documentation correct?) NEW: to check that capability information provided earlier, at implementation-time is what the publisher has implemented s 3 Providing System Capability Information s/already in implementation-time/already at implementation-time/ s 4.2 YANG Module & s 5.2 YANG Module This section needs to list every draft/RFC referenced in the YANG model. All imports should carry a reference statement to the draft/RFC they are = importing from, e.g. ietf-netconf-acm. s 7.2 The YANG Module Names Registry The indentation of the second registry is off. Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated? Thanks. > On Mar 4, 2020, at 1:54 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to = progress the document at this time. The chairs have therefore decided = to extend the WGLC for another two weeks, now ending March 18th. =20 >=20 > Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and = believe it is ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful and = important, even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are = also welcomed at this time. >=20 > The NETCONF Chairs >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Feb 17, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Kent Watsen = wrote: >>=20 >> FWIW, this is WGLC #2, after the major updates resulting from WGLC #1 = (in October). >>=20 >> K. >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Feb 17, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Kent Watsen = wrote: >>>=20 >>> This message begins a two-week WGLC for = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 ending on March 2nd (a = week before the IETF 107 submission cutoff deadline). Here is a direct = link to the HTML version of the draft: >>>=20 >>> = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-1= 1 >>>=20 >>> Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it = is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, = even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also = welcomed at this time. >>>=20 >>> Thank you, >>> NETCONF Chairs >>> _______________________________________________ >>> netconf mailing list >>> netconf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netconf mailing list >> netconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --Apple-Mail=_5181A0B9-B4D4-4F2B-B195-E6188782F1FC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = support the publication of this draft, but would like some of the issues = addressed in the document. They are mostly nits that I am hoping can be = addressed before sending it to IESG. I reviewed the -12 version of the = document.

s 2 = Introduction

s/as it part of/as it is part of/
s/Examples include:/Examples include/
s/even to individual/even individual/
s/both in implementation-time/both at = implementation-time/

s 2.1 YANG-push Notification Capabilities

OLD:
      to check =
that capability information provided early, already in
      implementation-time is indeed what the publisher implements (is
      the supplied documentation correct?)


NEW:
      to check that =
capability information provided earlier, at
      implementation-time is what the publisher =
has implemented

s 3 = Providing System Capability Information

s/already in = implementation-time/already at implementation-time/

s 4.2 YANG Module & = s 5.2 YANG Module

This section needs to list every draft/RFC referenced in the = YANG model.

All = imports should carry a reference statement to the draft/RFC they are = importing from, e.g. ietf-netconf-acm.

s 7.2 The YANG Module Names = Registry

The = indentation of the second registry is off.

Finally, have all the examples in the = appendix been validated?

Thanks.


On Mar = 4, 2020, at 1:54 PM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

Dear = All,

This WGLC has received zero responses, = which is insufficient to progress the document at this time.  The = chairs have therefore decided to extend the WGLC for another two weeks, = now ending March 18th.  

Again, = positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is = ready for publication", are welcomed.  This is useful and = important, even from authors.  Objections, concerns, and = suggestions are also welcomed at this time.

The NETCONF Chairs




On Feb 17, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

FWIW, this is WGLC #2, after the major updates resulting from = WGLC #1 (in October).

K.


On Feb = 17, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

This message begins a two-week WGLC for = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 ending on March 2nd (a = week before the IETF 107 submission cutoff deadline).  Here is a = direct link to the HTML version of the draft:

= https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-cap= abilities-11

Positive comments, e.g., = "I've reviewed this document and believe it is ready for publication", = are welcome!  This is useful and important, even from authors. =  Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed at this = time.

Thank you,
NETCONF = Chairs
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([2601:647:5600:5020:c66:ef44:8f0b:9230]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o128sm12673347pfg.5.2020.03.09.21.01.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Mar 2020 21:01:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Message-Id: <87CA69E6-8A0A-4B62-8B7F-633174E4599B@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6AFAF3B4-3745-4E7C-9E24-94BCB54F4DA1" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 21:01:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Alexander Clemm , Benoit Claise , "netconf@ietf.org" To: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= References: <158376536691.5655.18028858745817430563@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 04:01:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6AFAF3B4-3745-4E7C-9E24-94BCB54F4DA1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >=20 > Hello, > I updated the draft=20 > - Enhanced the description of max-nodes-per-update > - Formatted the modules to with pyang to be no longer than 69 = characters.=20 > - Added mandatory references about imports I think you got part of what is being asked for. You added references to = the drafts/RFCs that you are referencing from the YANG model in the text = of Section 5.2. However, you are still missing the reference statement = in the model import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; reference "RFC 8341: Network Configuration Access=E2=80=9D; <=E2=80=94 You = are missing this. } import ietf-yang-library { prefix yanglib; description "Revision 2019-01-04 or a revision derived from it is REQUIRED.=E2=80=9D; <=E2=80=94 And here } Cheers. > Regards Balazs >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org =20 > Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 9., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 15:49 > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel ; Alexander Clemm = ; Benoit Claise > Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt > has been successfully submitted by Balazs Lengyel and posted to the = IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities > Revision: 12 > Title: Generic YANG-related System Capabilities and = YANG-Push Notification Capabilities > Document date: 2020-03-09 > Group: netconf > Pages: 25 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capab= ilities-12.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilit= ies/ > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-1= 2 > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capa= bilities > Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabi= lities-12 >=20 > Abstract: > This document proposes two YANG modules. The module ietf-system- > capabilities provides a structure that can be used to specify any > YANG related system capability. >=20 > The module ietf-notification-capabilities allows a publisher to > specify capabilities related to "Subscription to YANG Datastores" > (YANG-Push). It proposes to use YANG Instance Data to document this > information and make it already available at implementation-time, = but > also allow it to be reported at run-time. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --Apple-Mail=_6AFAF3B4-3745-4E7C-9E24-94BCB54F4DA1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:

Hello,
I updated the draft
- = Enhanced the description of max-nodes-per-update
- = Formatted the modules to with pyang to be no longer than 69 characters. =
- Added mandatory references about imports

I think = you got part of what is being asked for. You added references to the = drafts/RFCs that you are referencing from the YANG model in the text of = Section 5.2. However, you are still missing the reference statement in = the model

  import ietf-netconf-acm {
    prefix nacm;
    =
reference
      "RFC 8341: =
Network Configuration Access=E2=80=9D;   <=E2=80=94 You are missing =
this.
  }
  import ietf-yang-library {
    prefix yanglib;
    description
      "Revision 2019-01-04 or a
       revision derived from it is REQUIRED.=E2=80=9D;
                                                 =
 <=E2=80=94 And here
  }


Cheers.

Regards Balazs

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From: internet-drafts@ietf.org <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
Sent: 2020. = m=C3=A1rcius 9., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 15:49
To: Bal=C3=A1zs = Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>; Alexander Clemm <ludwig@clemm.org>; = Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
Subject: New Version = Notification for draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt


A new version of I-D, = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt
has = been successfully submitted by Balazs Lengyel and posted to the IETF = repository.

Name: = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities
Revision: 12
Title: Generic = YANG-related System Capabilities and YANG-Push Notification = Capabilities
Document date: 2020-03-09
Group:= = netconf
Pages: 25
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-notific= ation-capabilities-12.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-notificatio= n-capabilities/
Htmlized: =       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-cap= abilities-12
Htmlized: =       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notifi= cation-capabilities
Diff: =           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netconf-notifica= tion-capabilities-12

Abstract:
  This document proposes two YANG modules. =  The module ietf-system-
  capabilities = provides a structure that can be used to specify any
=   YANG related system capability.

=   The module ietf-notification-capabilities allows a publisher = to
  specify capabilities related to = "Subscription to YANG Datastores"
=   (YANG-Push).  It proposes to use YANG Instance Data to = document this
  information and make it already = available at implementation-time, but
  also = allow it to be reported at run-time.




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They are mostly nits that I am hoping can be addressed before sending it to IESG. I reviewed the -12 version of the document. =20 s 2 Introduction =20 s/as it part of/as it is part of/ s/Examples include:/Examples include/ s/even to individual/even individual/ s/both in implementation-time/both at implementation-time/ BALAZS: OK, updated in -13 =20 s 2.1 YANG-push Notification Capabilities =20 OLD: to check that capability information provided early, already in implementation-time is indeed what the publisher implements (is the supplied documentation correct?) =20 NEW: to check that capability information provided earlier, at implementation-time is what the publisher has implemented BALAZS: OK, updated in -13 =20 s 3 Providing System Capability Information =20 s/already in implementation-time/already at implementation-time/ BALAZS: OK, updated in -13 =20 s 4.2 YANG Module & s 5.2 YANG Module =20 This section needs to list every draft/RFC referenced in the YANG model. BALAZS: Which model is missing from 4.2 or 5.2 ? I assume we don=92t = have to reference our won RFC. =20 All imports should carry a reference statement to the draft/RFC they are importing from, e.g. ietf-netconf-acm. BALAZS: OK, updated in -13.=20 =20 s 7.2 The YANG Module Names Registry =20 The indentation of the second registry is off. BALAZS: OK, updated in -13 =20 Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated? BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server. =20 Thanks. =20 On Mar 4, 2020, at 1:54 PM, Kent Watsen > wrote: =20 Dear All, This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to progress = the document at this time. The chairs have therefore decided to extend the = WGLC for another two weeks, now ending March 18th. =20 Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe = it is ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful and important, = even from authors. 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From: netconf = <netconf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Mahesh = Jethanandani
Sent: 2020. m=E1rcius 10., kedd = 4:47
To: Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net>
Cc: = netconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11

 

I = support the publication of this draft, but would like some of the issues = addressed in the document. They are mostly nits that I am hoping can be = addressed before sending it to IESG. I reviewed the -12 version of the = document.

 

s = 2 Introduction

 

s/as it part of/as it is part = of/

s/Examples = include:/Examples include/

s/even to individual/even = individual/

s/both in = implementation-time/both at = implementation-time/

BALAZS: OK, updated in = -13

 

s = 2.1 YANG-push Notification Capabilities

 

OLD:

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 to check that capability information =
provided early, already in
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
implementation-time is indeed what the publisher implements =
(is
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 the supplied documentation =
correct?)
 
NEW:
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 to check that capability information provided =
earlier, at
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 implementation-time is what the publisher has =
implemented

BALAZS: OK, updated in = -13

 

s = 3 Providing System Capability Information

 

s/already in implementation-time/already at = implementation-time/

BALAZS: OK, updated in = -13

 

s = 4.2 YANG Module & s 5.2 YANG Module

 

This section needs to list every draft/RFC referenced = in the YANG model.

BALAZS: Which model is missing from 4.2 or 5.2 ? = I assume we don’t have to reference our won = RFC.

 

All imports should carry a reference statement to the = draft/RFC they are importing from, e.g. = ietf-netconf-acm.

BALAZS: OK, updated in -13. =

 

s = 7.2 The YANG Module Names Registry

 

The indentation of the second registry is = off.

BALAZS: OK, updated in = -13

 

Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been = validated?

BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live = Confd server.

 

Thanks.

 



On Mar 4, 2020, at 1:54 PM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> = wrote:

 

Dear All,

This WGLC has received zero = responses, which is insufficient to progress the document at this time. =  The chairs have therefore decided to extend the WGLC for another = two weeks, now ending March 18th.  

Again, positive = comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is = ready for publication", are welcomed.  This is useful and = important, even from authors.  Objections, concerns, and = suggestions are also welcomed at this time.

The NETCONF = Chairs





On = Feb 17, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> = wrote:

FWIW, this is WGLC #2, after the major updates resulting = from WGLC #1 (in = October).

K.



On = Feb 17, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> = wrote:

This message begins a two-week WGLC for = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 ending on March 2nd (a = week before the IETF 107 submission cutoff deadline).  Here is a = direct link to the HTML version of the draft:

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-c= apabilities-11

Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed = this document and believe it is ready for publication", are = welcome!  This is useful and important, even from authors. =  Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed at this = time.

Thank you,
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Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------857797ED097E33F0F9D11E1B" Content-Language: en-US X-Authenticated-User: bclaise X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.55.221.38, ams-bclaise-nitro5.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-3.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 09:25:25 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------857797ED097E33F0F9D11E1B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Balzs, The way I understand Mahesh's email, those two points below are the same issue, solved by: import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; reference "RFC 8341: Network Configuration Access; < You are missing this. } import ietf-yang-library { prefix yanglib; description "Revision 2019-01-04 or a revision derived from it is REQUIRED.; < And here Regards, Benoit > > s 4.2 YANG Module & s 5.2 YANG Module > > This section needs to list every draft/RFC referenced in the YANG model. > > BALAZS: Which model is missing from 4.2 or 5.2 ? I assume we dont > have to reference our won RFC. > > All imports should carry a reference statement to the draft/RFC they > are importing from, e.g. ietf-netconf-acm. > > BALAZS: OK, updated in -13. > --------------857797ED097E33F0F9D11E1B Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Balzs,

The way I understand Mahesh's email, those two points below are the same issue, solved by:
  import ietf-netconf-acm {
    prefix nacm;
    reference
      "RFC 8341: Network Configuration Access;   < You are missing this.
  }
  import ietf-yang-library {
    prefix yanglib;
    description
      "Revision 2019-01-04 or a
       revision derived from it is REQUIRED.;
                                                  < And here
Regards, Benoit

s 4.2 YANG Module & s 5.2 YANG Module

This section needs to list every draft/RFC referenced in the YANG model.

BALAZS: Which model is missing from 4.2 or 5.2 ? I assume we dont have to reference our won RFC.

All imports should carry a reference statement to the draft/RFC they are importing from, e.g. ietf-netconf-acm.

BALAZS: OK, updated in -13.


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You added references to = the drafts/RFCs that you are referencing from the YANG model in the text = of Section 5.2. However, you are still missing the reference statement = in the model =20 import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; reference "RFC 8341: Network Configuration Access=E2=80=9D; <=E2=80=94 You = are missing this. } import ietf-yang-library { prefix yanglib; description "Revision 2019-01-04 or a revision derived from it is REQUIRED.=E2=80=9D; <=E2=80=94 And here } =20 Cheers. =20 Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org = >=20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 9., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 15:49 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel >; Alexander Clemm = >; Benoit Claise = > Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt A new version of I-D, = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt has been successfully submitted by Balazs Lengyel and posted to the IETF = repository. Name: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities Revision: 12 Title: Generic YANG-related System Capabilities and = YANG-Push Notification Capabilities Document date: 2020-03-09 Group: netconf Pages: 25 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capa= bilities-12.txt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabili= ties/ Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-= 12 Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-cap= abilities Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netconf-notification-capab= ilities-12 Abstract: This document proposes two YANG modules. The module ietf-system- capabilities provides a structure that can be used to specify any YANG related system capability. The module ietf-notification-capabilities allows a publisher to specify capabilities related to "Subscription to YANG Datastores" (YANG-Push). It proposes to use YANG Instance Data to document this information and make it already available at implementation-time, but also allow it to be reported at run-time. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org . The IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ netconf mailing list netconf@ietf.org =20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0181_01D5F6C6.55AB12D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OK, added = in next version.

Thanks, = Balazs

 

From: netconf = <netconf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Mahesh = Jethanandani
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 10., kedd = 5:02
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: = netconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netconf] New Version = Notification for = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt

<= /div>

 

 



On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.len= gyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:

 

Hello,
I updated the draft
- Enhanced the = description of max-nodes-per-update
- Formatted the modules to with = pyang to be no longer than 69 characters.
- Added mandatory = references about imports

 

I = think you got part of what is being asked for. You added references to = the drafts/RFCs that you are referencing from the YANG model in the text = of Section 5.2. However, you are still missing the reference statement = in the model

 

=C2=A0 import ietf-netconf-acm =
{
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 prefix =
nacm;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 reference
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "RFC 8341: Network =
Configuration Access=E2=80=9D;=C2=A0=C2=A0 <=E2=80=94 You are missing =
this.
=C2=A0 }
=C2=A0 import =
ietf-yang-library {
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 prefix =
yanglib;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
description
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
"Revision 2019-01-04 or =
a
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 revision =
derived from it is REQUIRED.=E2=80=9D;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
<=E2=80=94 And here
=C2=A0 =
}
 
Cheers.

 

Regards Balazs

-----Original = Message-----
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org = <internet-drafts@ietf.org>=
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 9., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 15:49
To: = Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>; Alexander Clemm <ludwig@clemm.org>; Benoit Claise = <bclaise@cisco.com>
Subject: = New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt


A new = version of I-D, = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt
has been = successfully submitted by Balazs Lengyel and posted to the IETF = repository.

Name:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities
Revision:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 12
Title:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = Generic YANG-related System Capabilities and YANG-Push = Notification Capabilities
Document date:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2020-03-09
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URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-= netconf-notification-capabilities-12.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-notifi= cation-capabilities/
Htmlized: =       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-c= apabilities-12
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netco= nf-notification-capabilities
Diff: =           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netcon= f-notification-capabilities-12

Abstract:
  This = document proposes two YANG modules.  The module = ietf-system-
  capabilities provides a structure that can = be used to specify any
  YANG related system = capability.

  The module ietf-notification-capabilities = allows a publisher to
  specify capabilities related to = "Subscription to YANG Datastores"
  (YANG-Push). =  It proposes to use YANG Instance Data to document = this
  information and make it already available at = implementation-time, but
  also allow it to be reported at = run-time.




Please note that it may take a couple of = minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff = are available at tools.ietf.org.

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(rwilton) =20 Sent: 2020. m=E1rcius 9., h=E9tf=F5 19:34 To: netconf@ietf.org; Bal=E1zs Lengyel ; draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities@ietf.org Cc: Kent Watsen Subject: RE: [netconf] WGLC: = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 Hi, Thank you for this work. I've reviewed this document as an individual contributor and also as an early incoming AD review. Overall comments: I support the progression of this work, I think that it is both useful = and important, and the document is well written. I like the split into two separate YANG modules covering system capabilities vs YANG push notifications. I think that in an ideal world this work would probably = be split into two separate documents, one covering system capabilities, and = the second for notification capabilities. In particular, I could imagine = the system capabilities evolving over time. However, I also understand the desire to complete this work, and I don't want to delay it. Comments on individual sections: 1. Title: Perhaps it would be more accurate to name it as=20 "YANG Modules for describing System Capabilities and Yang-Push Notification Capabilities?" BALAZS: OK =20 2. Abstract I propose that you rework the text to. =20 OLD: =20 This document proposes two YANG modules. The module ietf-system- capabilities provides a structure that can be used to specify any YANG related system capability. The module ietf-notification-capabilities allows a publisher to specify capabilities related to "Subscription to YANG Datastores" (YANG-Push). It proposes to use YANG Instance Data to document this information and make it already available at implementation-time, but also allow it to be reported at run-time. =20 NEW: =20 This document defines two YANG modules: =20 The module ietf-system-capabilities provides a structure that can be used to specify YANG related system capabilities for servers. The = module can be used in conjunction with YANG Instance Data to make this information available at implementation-time. The module can also be used to = report capability information from the server at run-time. The module ietf-notification-capabilities augments ietf-system-capabilities to specify capabilities related to "Subscription to YANG Datastores" (YANG-Push).=20 BALAZS: OK 3. Terminology: - Please add a reference to "instance data" from draft-lengyel-netmod-yang-instance-data BALAZS: OK - Add the sentence: "In addition, this document defines the following terms:" BALAZS: OK - Perhaps change "On-change Notification Capability" -> "On-change notification capability"? - Move the definition of on-change notification capability last. BALAZS: OK - Implementation-time information and Run-time information. I think = that these definitions should only be defined in terms of "server" and not "publisher", because I think that these considerations apply to all = system capabilities, not only notifications. Perhaps also reference YANG = instance data. BALAZS: I like the original text more, but I will change it. The term = server is included in both definitions. It can be debated whether sending notifications is a server activity, as it not immediately connected to a request; hence I originally had the "publisher" included too. E.g. OLD: Implementation-time information: Information about the publisher's or server's behavior that is made available during the implementation of the publisher/server, available from a source other then a running server. Run-time information: Information about the publisher's or server's behavior that is available from the running server via management protocols such as NETCONF [RFC6241] or RESTCONF [RFC8040]. NEW: Implementation-time information: Information about the server's behavior that is made available during the implementation of the server, available from a source other then a running server, such as YANG Instance Data [XXXX]. Run-time information: Information about the server's behavior that is available from the running server via management protocols such as NETCONF [RFC6241] or RESTCONF [RFC8040]. =20 4. Section 2: Please state that the YANG modules are compliant to NMDA. BALAZS: What does it mean that a read-only module is NMDA compliant? = Please explain. I would rather not add text that I do not understand. 5. YANG model: - Does "minimum-dampening-period" only apply of "on-change-supported" is enabled. If so, it might be helpful for the description to state this. = I would also put the "on-change-supported" leaf before the "minimum-dampening-period" leaf. BALAZS: The leaf has an if-feature "yp:on-change" substatement, which = should indicate it is relevant to on-change. I would like to avoid replicating = too much information from the Yang-Push RFC. I will rearrange the order of leaves grouping periodic and on-change = related leaves. - Does "minimum-dampening-period" only apply if dampening is requested, = or does that mean that dampening is always required? The text may need to = be clarified. Otherwise, I'm concerned about the on-change notification = for interface statistics ... that could generate a lot of notifications ;-) BALAZS: The answer is not trivial. I can see logic in both cases: a) if there is a minimum-dampening-period declared here, that means = that dampening MUST always be used. Logical because if the publisher can not support a smaller than 5 sec dampening period, it is probably incapable = to support on-change without dampening. b) the publisher MAY support on-change without dampening, but if = dampening is requested the period MUST NOT be smaller than the minimum-dampening-period - For both "minimum-dampening-period" and on-change-supported", can = probably remove "data store or" from the description. BALAZS: OK - Suggest moving "supported-excluded-change-type" above periodic-notifications-supported, to keep all the on-change options together. I'm also not particularly keen on the negative enumeration values, having them as positive values would seem more normal to me. BALAZS: I will rearrange the order of leaves grouping periodic and = on-change related leaves. I used negative numbers as the type's union also includes type yp:change-type which is an enumeration with implicit value assignment. = Using negative numbers is a way to avoid clashing with these implicitly = assigned numbers. 6. Section 6 (Security): Is there a risk that the capabilities information, if available offline = and also from a device, could be used to fingerprint the device and gain information about what version of software/hardware is being run? BALAZS: I t could be used as part of the fingerprinting, as any readable data that changes infrequently. IMHO this is a generic problem, to be = solved by proper access control rules. Adding it as a kind of standard boiler = text to every YANG module would not help. Maybe we would need an OAM security RFC.=20 7. Could you please add a brief section to thank folks who have = contributed and reviewed this work. - I think that it easier to get reviews, if the time/effort spent in the review is acknowledged. BALAZS: I usually do it. It seems I forgot it now. 8. Appendix A: - Your examples look like they probably have some introduced line = wrapping (e.g. for the description, node-selector, and others). Perhaps we = should be using the artwork draft for this, or alternatively add a comment that linespaces have been introduced in various fields to improve = readability. BALAZS: I would prefer to wait till draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding becomes a full RFC. Even creating/using the folding header without the = RFC number is problematic. - Perhaps: OLD: The following example is instance-data describing the notification capabilities of a hypothetical "acme-switch" ... =20 NEW: The following instance-data example describes the notification capabilities of a hypothetical "acme-switch" ... BALAZS: OK - First example: " " should be outdented at two spaces after first block. BALAZS: OK - I would normally expect candidate/running to be listed before = operational, although there is obviously no harm in having it the other way. =20 9. Appendix B: - Please add a note to ask the RFC Editor to remove this section on publication. BALAZS: OK =20 Nits: - Please check for full stops (e.g. terminology) BALAZS: OK, I corrected what I found. If you see more, please notify me. Thanks, Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: netconf On Behalf Of Kent Watsen > Sent: 04 March 2020 21:54 > To: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC:=20 > draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities- > 11 >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to=20 > progress the document at this time. The chairs have therefore decided = > to extend the WGLC for another two weeks, now ending March 18th. >=20 > Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and=20 > believe it is ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful=20 > and important, even from authors. Objections, concerns, and=20 > suggestions are also welcomed at this time. >=20 > The NETCONF Chairs >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > On Feb 17, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Kent Watsen = wrote: > > > > FWIW, this is WGLC #2, after the major updates resulting from WGLC=20 > > #1 > (in October). > > > > K. > > > > > >> On Feb 17, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Kent Watsen = wrote: > >> > >> This message begins a two-week WGLC for draft-ietf-netconf- > notification-capabilities-11 ending on March 2nd (a week before the=20 > IETF > 107 submission cutoff deadline). Here is a direct link to the HTML=20 > version of the draft: > >> > >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification- > capabilities-11 > >> > >> Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe=20 > >> it is > ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important,=20 > even from authors. 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: iMzXxUHxE7DnKv/cEgNlFKbmFQVRwhZc5ISZ3c6ofmm38Q/TwKz6PDgrmIjaoXA2AQ272IgRtG5lgJwkcEA8Gg== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MN2PR11MB4062 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.13, xch-aln-003.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-11.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 10:46:28 -0000 Hi Balazs, Please see inline. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bal=E1zs Lengyel > Sent: 10 March 2020 12:24 > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; netconf@ietf.org; draft- > ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities@ietf.org > Cc: Kent Watsen > Subject: RE: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities= - > 11 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Wilton (rwilton) > Sent: 2020. m=E1rcius 9., h=E9tf=F5 19:34 > To: netconf@ietf.org; Bal=E1zs Lengyel ; > draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities@ietf.org > Cc: Kent Watsen > Subject: RE: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities= - > 11 >=20 >=20 >=20 > 4. Section 2: > Please state that the YANG modules are compliant to NMDA. > BALAZS: What does it mean that a read-only module is NMDA compliant? > Please > explain. I would rather not add text that I do not understand. > [RW]=20 It just means that the model is designed to conform to the architecture, an= d work with devices that support such an architecture. E.g. it also means = that the modules are not called "foo-state". =20 >=20 > 5. YANG model: >=20 > - Does "minimum-dampening-period" only apply of "on-change-supported" is > enabled. If so, it might be helpful for the description to state this. = I > would also put the "on-change-supported" leaf before the > "minimum-dampening-period" leaf. > BALAZS: The leaf has an if-feature "yp:on-change" substatement, which > should > indicate it is relevant to on-change. I would like to avoid replicating > too > much information from the Yang-Push RFC. > I will rearrange the order of leaves grouping periodic and on-change > related > leaves. >=20 > - Does "minimum-dampening-period" only apply if dampening is requested, o= r > does that mean that dampening is always required? The text may need to b= e > clarified. Otherwise, I'm concerned about the on-change notification for > interface statistics ... that could generate a lot of notifications ;-) > BALAZS: The answer is not trivial. I can see logic in both cases: > a) if there is a minimum-dampening-period declared here, that means that > dampening MUST always be used. Logical because if the publisher can not > support a smaller than 5 sec dampening period, it is probably incapable t= o > support on-change without dampening. > b) the publisher MAY support on-change without dampening, but if dampenin= g > is requested the period MUST NOT be smaller than the > minimum-dampening-period >=20 > - For both "minimum-dampening-period" and on-change-supported", can > probably > remove "data store or" from the description. > BALAZS: OK >=20 > - Suggest moving "supported-excluded-change-type" above > periodic-notifications-supported, to keep all the on-change options > together. I'm also not particularly keen on the negative enumeration > values, having them as positive values would seem more normal to me. > BALAZS: I will rearrange the order of leaves grouping periodic and on- > change > related leaves. > I used negative numbers as the type's union also includes type > yp:change-type which is an enumeration with implicit value assignment. > Using > negative numbers is a way to avoid clashing with these implicitly assigne= d > numbers. [RW]=20 Okay. My concern was that not all common programming languages support nega= tive enums, but from a quick google I could be wrong on this point.=20 >=20 > 6. Section 6 (Security): >=20 > Is there a risk that the capabilities information, if available offline > and > also from a device, could be used to fingerprint the device and gain > information about what version of software/hardware is being run? > BALAZS: I t could be used as part of the fingerprinting, as any readable > data that changes infrequently. IMHO this is a generic problem, to be > solved > by proper access control rules. Adding it as a kind of standard boiler > text > to every YANG module would not help. Maybe we would need an OAM security > RFC. >=20 [RW]=20 Actually, perhaps this should just be in the security section of the instan= ce data draft. That would then seem to apply generally to all YANG modules= used as instance data. >=20 > 7. Could you please add a brief section to thank folks who have > contributed > and reviewed this work. > - I think that it easier to get reviews, if the time/effort spent in the > review is acknowledged. > BALAZS: I usually do it. It seems I forgot it now. >=20 >=20 > 8. Appendix A: > - Your examples look like they probably have some introduced line wrappin= g > (e.g. for the description, node-selector, and others). Perhaps we should > be > using the artwork draft for this, or alternatively add a comment that > linespaces have been introduced in various fields to improve readability. > BALAZS: I would prefer to wait till draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding > becomes a full RFC. Even creating/using the folding header without the RF= C > number is problematic. [RW]=20 I don't think that this should really be a problem. draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding is int the RFC editor queue and has no mi= ssing references, i.e. it is going to become an RFC before this draft does,= and the RFC editor will be able fix up the folding header. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See BALAZS2 below. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Wilton (rwilton) =20 Sent: 2020. m=E1rcius 12., cs=FCt=F6rt=F6k 11:46 > -----Original Message----- >=20 > 4. Section 2: > Please state that the YANG modules are compliant to NMDA. > BALAZS: What does it mean that a read-only module is NMDA compliant? > Please > explain. I would rather not add text that I do not understand. > [RW] It just means that the model is designed to conform to the architecture, = and work with devices that support such an architecture. E.g. it also means that the modules are not called "foo-state". BALAZS2: I still think the "conform to the architecture" is very vague. That modules are not called "foo-state" is trivial and can be seen from = the module names. IMHO if we want such a standard text we should define what it means. It would fit into a mail and later into the YANG guidelines. Based on your insistence, for now I propose to add the sentence " The module can be used both by NMDA and non-NMDA compliant systems." Are you OK with my sentence ? Note: as many of today's systems are not NMDA compliant it is equally or more important to note that the model works with non-NMDA. Actually I am not 100% sure what "works with non-NMDA" means either: = E.g. it does not hide important information that would only be visible in operational datastore.=20 =20 >=20 > 5. YANG model: > - Does "minimum-dampening-period" only apply if dampening is = requested, or > does that mean that dampening is always required? The text may need = to be > clarified. Otherwise, I'm concerned about the on-change notification = for > interface statistics ... that could generate a lot of notifications = ;-) > BALAZS: The answer is not trivial. I can see logic in both cases: > a) if there is a minimum-dampening-period declared here, that means = that > dampening MUST always be used. Logical because if the publisher can = not > support a smaller than 5 sec dampening period, it is probably = incapable to > support on-change without dampening. > b) the publisher MAY support on-change without dampening, but if = dampening > is requested the period MUST NOT be smaller than the > minimum-dampening-period >BALAZS2: Based on the opinions of Eric, Benoit and myself I will update following alternative a). Added to description leaf minimum-dampening-period { description If this value is present and greater than zero,=20 that implies dampening is mandatory."; >=20 > 6. Section 6 (Security): >=20 > Is there a risk that the capabilities information, if available = offline > and > also from a device, could be used to fingerprint the device and gain > information about what version of software/hardware is being run? > BALAZS: I t could be used as part of the fingerprinting, as any = readable > data that changes infrequently. IMHO this is a generic problem, to be > solved > by proper access control rules. Adding it as a kind of standard boiler > text > to every YANG module would not help. Maybe we would need an OAM = security > RFC. >=20 [RW]=20 Actually, perhaps this should just be in the security section of the instance data draft. That would then seem to apply generally to all = YANG modules used as instance data. BALAZS2: IMHO fingerprinting is possible the same way on a live server, = it is not specific to instance data files. Fingerprinting is actually a = much bigger problem on a live server, as there are a lot of standard models available (yanglib, netconf-monitoring, nacm, etc.) while in instance = data you only have a small set of specific modules (maybe just one). Instance data is usually only a partial set, which might also hide specifics, hindering fingerprinting. You many not even be sure which server the instance data came from: There is no origin parameter in the header = part. So IMHO finger-printing is a FAR bigger problem on a live server. Also: This is the second security related issue that effects the whole YANG/Netconf/Restconf ecosystem, so IMHO it should be dealt with in a centralized manner, not by each YAM individually. - fingerprinting - updates to security mechanisms like the TLS algorithms for = factory-reset I would like to avoid the topic in my draft. >=20 >=20 > 8. Appendix A: > - Your examples look like they probably have some introduced line = wrapping > (e.g. for the description, node-selector, and others). Perhaps we = should > be > using the artwork draft for this, or alternatively add a comment that > linespaces have been introduced in various fields to improve = readability. > BALAZS: I would prefer to wait till draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding > becomes a full RFC. Even creating/using the folding header without the = RFC > number is problematic. [RW]=20 I don't think that this should really be a problem. draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding is int the RFC editor queue and has no missing references, i.e. it is going to become an RFC before this draft does, and the RFC editor will be able fix up the folding header. 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X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:53:36 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bal=E1zs Lengyel > Sent: 12 March 2020 16:22 > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; netconf@ietf.org; draft- > ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities@ietf.org > Cc: Kent Watsen > Subject: RE: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities= - > 11 >=20 > See BALAZS2 below. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Wilton (rwilton) > Sent: 2020. m=E1rcius 12., cs=FCt=F6rt=F6k 11:46 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > > > 4. Section 2: > > Please state that the YANG modules are compliant to NMDA. > > BALAZS: What does it mean that a read-only module is NMDA compliant? > > Please > > explain. I would rather not add text that I do not understand. > > > [RW] > It just means that the model is designed to conform to the architecture, > and > work with devices that support such an architecture. E.g. it also means > that the modules are not called "foo-state". > BALAZS2: I still think the "conform to the architecture" is very vague. > That modules are not called "foo-state" is trivial and can be seen from > the > module names. > IMHO if we want such a standard text we should define what it means. It > would fit into a mail and later into the YANG guidelines. > Based on your insistence, for now I propose to add the sentence > " The module can be used both by NMDA and non-NMDA compliant systems." > Are you OK with my sentence ? > Note: as many of today's systems are not NMDA compliant it is equally or > more important to note that the model works with non-NMDA. > Actually I am not 100% sure what "works with non-NMDA" means either: E.g. > it > does not hide important information that would only be visible in > operational datastore. [RW]=20 I think that most recent standards just use this: The YANG data model in this document conforms to the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA) defined in RFC 8342. Often it goes in the abstract, but I think that putting it in the Introduct= ion should be fine. >=20 > > > > 5. YANG model: >=20 > > - Does "minimum-dampening-period" only apply if dampening is requested, > or > > does that mean that dampening is always required? The text may need to > be > > clarified. Otherwise, I'm concerned about the on-change notification > for > > interface statistics ... that could generate a lot of notifications ;-) > > BALAZS: The answer is not trivial. I can see logic in both cases: > > a) if there is a minimum-dampening-period declared here, that means > that > > dampening MUST always be used. Logical because if the publisher can not > > support a smaller than 5 sec dampening period, it is probably incapable > to > > support on-change without dampening. > > b) the publisher MAY support on-change without dampening, but if > dampening > > is requested the period MUST NOT be smaller than the > > minimum-dampening-period > >BALAZS2: Based on the opinions of Eric, Benoit and myself I will update > following alternative a). Added to description > leaf minimum-dampening-period { > description > If this value is present and greater than zero, > that implies dampening is mandatory."; [RW]=20 Okay, thanks for clarifying. > > > > 6. Section 6 (Security): > > > > Is there a risk that the capabilities information, if available offline > > and > > also from a device, could be used to fingerprint the device and gain > > information about what version of software/hardware is being run? > > BALAZS: I t could be used as part of the fingerprinting, as any readabl= e > > data that changes infrequently. IMHO this is a generic problem, to be > > solved > > by proper access control rules. Adding it as a kind of standard boiler > > text > > to every YANG module would not help. Maybe we would need an OAM securit= y > > RFC. > > > [RW] > Actually, perhaps this should just be in the security section of the > instance data draft. That would then seem to apply generally to all YANG > modules used as instance data. > BALAZS2: IMHO fingerprinting is possible the same way on a live server, > it > is not specific to instance data files. Fingerprinting is actually a much > bigger problem on a live server, as there are a lot of standard models > available (yanglib, netconf-monitoring, nacm, etc.) while in instance dat= a > you only have a small set of specific modules (maybe just one). Instance > data is usually only a partial set, which might also hide specifics, > hindering fingerprinting. You many not even be sure which server the > instance data came from: There is no origin parameter in the header part. > So > IMHO finger-printing is a FAR bigger problem on a live server. >=20 > Also: This is the second security related issue that effects the whole > YANG/Netconf/Restconf ecosystem, so IMHO it should be dealt with in a > centralized manner, not by each YAM individually. > - fingerprinting > - updates to security mechanisms like the TLS algorithms for factory-rese= t [RW]=20 Yes, okay for this draft. Thanks, Rob >=20 > I would like to avoid the topic in my draft. > > > > > > 8. Appendix A: > > - Your examples look like they probably have some introduced line > wrapping > > (e.g. for the description, node-selector, and others). Perhaps we > should > > be > > using the artwork draft for this, or alternatively add a comment that > > linespaces have been introduced in various fields to improve > readability. > > BALAZS: I would prefer to wait till draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding > > becomes a full RFC. Even creating/using the folding header without the > RFC > > number is problematic. > [RW] > I don't think that this should really be a problem. >=20 > draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding is int the RFC editor queue and has no > missing references, i.e. it is going to become an RFC before this draft > does, and the RFC editor will be able fix up the folding header. > BALAZS2: OK From nobody Thu Mar 12 14:28:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CE33A0433; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:28:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5wAjVk3CQCha; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf1-x42b.google.com (mail-pf1-x42b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 670D83A0408; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x42b.google.com with SMTP id l184so3894182pfl.7; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:28:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=8gEIQNWQhirjFLy5+fFhNVhE2pDZHdFDHCn09u+LtCw=; b=upSJ1Mcdk5rSdlRFKI94GUQeyxTjwCEjpxpcq4S7lzx2w2WmzRX0uc37pUFKTutqQq ERYRFDVPM389bc68fkJ8JA4jmEOHBdVEOrBwOS3rpZCE0HD/XYryIE38enj20rVFD0k7 ucfwGaw3CvVhE+6/8jMhQa9nihlHRXm+pssZcjL7TgNFjUAV7T/g/05xwkw71+OMTm7S E1LtyblwZgvfEM71M9ul9BxupNgoctgHl07aYlVoSyY9VnFf5hn0vPhPN5FHyvH99N9J ahO/SjElLm7Y++eJE59jqp7wzzvvx25fy9GMIyFZGFSzHfcQt8PyEaht6atLR9M/6zqF tXIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=8gEIQNWQhirjFLy5+fFhNVhE2pDZHdFDHCn09u+LtCw=; b=dJu9z7/YfA640Dal/P81dA2D4ogm6lQ0vJI1WLd3sGLTlcOBy4srl33rze5KJugaQu Zf3/ZL0dyniqsgcCess+RqDlkZSp8+hxvupDARz64i0xTETXnpFEq0/p/rKgCB2mQx/a Ds+A3+EObWf7P9fc5NPn8rZ4yVyYZPwPGd31Vsk2FCGtxqkqBYsb5h+4r3p/VsCq8s8F 9T0g2t2+458+FWfFYSj8P6+g1zeSjAr9aycI1MTcZrBiwA55Q4Tglh7zmlpHcDfIPKcW 1ZMRj5BB9bC5drnSoTbZBl5V9eL2y0stit5Yrd8fB69Vzgslp9fxWoPiQkpDni3lmpnm DPBg== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ29mty8AAU1nFew86L1ss72XDFhgdZj6F3IRwjCMEsP+IvlXkph GJeVuLncOrq8N18h4r+2db7aw4yO X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vtpIdDWN01ataA/tIVRpEtALNctwL+HE6CwyN/XKayuL9Q+O21GVQ8LbMdq+AydOKJZ686MIA== X-Received: by 2002:a62:e808:: with SMTP id c8mr10344106pfi.111.1584048496582; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:647:5600:5020:7884:520e:258a:46a0? ([2601:647:5600:5020:7884:520e:258a:46a0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 4sm58788310pfn.90.2020.03.12.14.28.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7DEFD63D-5FDB-4614-8CD9-3E790E9B1195" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:28:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Kent Watsen , "netconf@ietf.org" , yang-doctors@ietf.org To: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= References: <0100017055c347e5-13b624a9-04c0-4ba5-8a53-26a80f079607-000000@email.amazonses.com> <0100017055e833dd-1a2ecac4-53e4-4bb7-aab9-f75516c5fd38-000000@email.amazonses.com> <01000170a78abdde-66112ceb-d466-4c72-ad18-6058ef07ab02-000000@email.amazonses.com> <53B69FD5-0834-4943-A33A-1596FD3434BD@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 21:28:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7DEFD63D-5FDB-4614-8CD9-3E790E9B1195 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 [Adding yang-doctors] Hi Balazs, On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated? BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server. I bring this up because I ran into issues when validating the = https-notif model using ietf-subscribed-notification module, something = that you also import. Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to = validate your example. In this case, I named your example as = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml. bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p = /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ = ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang = ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml=20 err : Invalid keyword "require-instance". err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into = "ietf-yang-push" failed. err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into = "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed. err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, because just like you I = used confd and it did not complain. But folks over at libyang tell me = that this was discussed as part of their issue #881 = and the conclusion was = that you cannot put require-instance in a derived type based on this = text. Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or confd/RFC8639? In case anyone is wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications module = is being imported, here it is: bash-3.2$ ls = ../iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang = Cheers. BTW, even if I comment out the =E2=80=98require-instance=E2=80=99 = statement, yanglint complains about other issues with = ietf-subscribed-notifications, which I will bring up in a separate = thread. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_7DEFD63D-5FDB-4614-8CD9-3E790E9B1195 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
[Adding yang-doctors]

Hi Balazs,


On Mar = 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote:

Finally, have all the examples in the appendix = been validated?
BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd = server.

I bring this up because I ran = into issues when validating the https-notif model using = ietf-subscribed-notification module, something that you also import. = Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to validate your example. = In this case, I named your example as = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml.

bash-3.2$ yanglint -s = -i -t auto -p /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml 
err = : Invalid keyword "require-instance".
err : Module = "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed.
err = : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into "ietf-yang-push" = failed.
err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing = failed.
err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module = into "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed.
err : = Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed.

At first I thought the issue was = with yanglint, because just like you I used confd and it did not = complain. But folks over at libyang tell me that this was discussed as = part of their issue  #881 and = the conclusion was that you cannot put require-instance in a derived type based = on this text.

Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or = confd/RFC8639?

In case anyone is = wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications module is being imported, = here it is:


Cheers.

BTW, even if I comment out the = =E2=80=98require-instance=E2=80=99 statement, yanglint complains about = other issues with ietf-subscribed-notifications, which I will bring up = in a separate thread.


Mahesh Jethanandani



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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0046_01D5F91D.77654130" ------=_NextPart_001_0046_01D5F91D.77654130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mahesh, Even if there is some problem with ietf-subscribed-notification how does = that effect the validity of instance data for ietf-system-capabilities = or ietf-notification-capabilities ? I only import a type and a feature = from Yangpush (which imports subscribed notification). These seem = nothing to do with require-instance. =20 Aside from my draft: I do not understand some of libyangs statements: =20 =E2=80=9Cas it turned out (ref = ), you cannot put = require-instance into a derived type=E2=80=9D.=20 Checking ref I did not find why you cannot put require instance into a = typedef. =20 By the way I have bigger issues with YangValidator. When I load = ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get=20 =20 RecursionError at /yangvalidator/validator maximum recursion depth exceeded Request Method: POST Request URL: http://www.yangvalidator.com/yangvalidator/validator Django Version: 3.0.4 Exception Type: RecursionError Exception Value: maximum recursion depth exceeded Exception Location: /home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.eg= g/pyang/statements.py in newf, line 42 Python Executable: /usr/sbin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.6.10 Python Path: ['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.= egg/pyang/transforms', =20 Regards Balazs =20 From: Mahesh Jethanandani =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 12., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 22:28 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Cc: Kent Watsen ; netconf@ietf.org; = yang-doctors@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 =20 [Adding yang-doctors] =20 Hi Balazs, =20 =20 On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > = wrote: =20 Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated? BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server. =20 I bring this up because I ran into issues when validating the = https-notif model using ietf-subscribed-notification module, something = that you also import. Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to = validate your example. In this case, I named your example as = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml. =20 bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p = /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ = ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang = = ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang = = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml=20 err : Invalid keyword "require-instance". err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into = "ietf-yang-push" failed. err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into = "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed. err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. =20 At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, because just like you I = used confd and it did not complain. But folks over at libyang tell me = that this was discussed as part of their issue #881 = and the = conclusion was that you cannot put require-instance in a derived type = based on this text. =20 Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or confd/RFC8639? =20 In case anyone is wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications module = is being imported, here it is: =20 bash-3.2$ ls = ../iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang = =20 =20 Cheers. =20 BTW, even if I comment out the =E2=80=98require-instance=E2=80=99 = statement, yanglint complains about other issues with = ietf-subscribed-notifications, which I will bring up in a separate = thread. =20 Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0046_01D5F91D.77654130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello = Mahesh,

Even if there is some problem = with ietf-subscribed-notification how does that effect the validity of = instance data for ietf-system-capabilities or = ietf-notification-capabilities ? I only import a type and a feature from = Yangpush (which imports subscribed notification). These seem nothing to = do with require-instance.

 

Aside from = my draft:

I do not understand some of = libyangs statements:=C2=A0

=E2=80=9Cas it turned out (ref), you = cannot put require-instance into a derived type=E2=80=9D. =

Checking ref I did not find why you = cannot put require instance into a typedef.

 

By the way I = have bigger issues with YangValidator. When I load = ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get

 

RecursionError at = /yangvalidator/validator

maximum recursion depth exceeded

Request = Method:

POST

Request = URL:

http://www.yangvalidator.com/yangvalidator/validator

Django = Version:

3.0.4

Exception = Type:

RecursionError

Exception = Value:

maximum recursion = depth exceeded

Exception = Location:

/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/py= ang-2.1.1-py3.6.egg/pyang/statements.py in newf, line = 42

Python = Executable:

/usr/sbin/uwsgi

Python = Version:

3.6.10

Python = Path:

['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-= py3.6.egg/pyang/transforms',

 

Regards = Balazs

 

From: Mahesh Jethanandani = <mjethanandani@gmail.com>
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 12., = cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 22:28
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net>; netconf@ietf.org; = yang-doctors@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11

 

[Adding yang-doctors]

 

Hi = Balazs,

 

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>err : Invalid keyword = "require-instance".

err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" = parsing failed.

err : = Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into = "ietf-yang-push" failed.

err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing = failed.

err : Importing = "ietf-yang-push" module into = "ietf-notification-capabilities" = failed.

err : Module = "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing = failed.

 

At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, = because just like you I used confd and it did not complain. But folks = over at libyang tell me that this was discussed as part of their issue =  #881 and the conclusion was that you cannot = put require-instance in a = derived type based on this = text.

 

Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or = confd/RFC8639?

 

In case anyone is wondering which = ietf-subsciribed-notifications module is being imported, here it = is:

 

 

Cheers.

 

BTW, even if I comment out the = =E2=80=98require-instance=E2=80=99 statement, yanglint complains about = other issues with ietf-subscribed-notifications, which I will bring up = in a separate thread.

 

= Mahesh Jethanandani

=  

 

 

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212703A1446; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 02:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by kalendar.cesnet.cz (Postfix, from userid 999) id 3C6AB6016E; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 10:04:16 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cesnet.cz; s=kalendar; t=1584090256; bh=pfClkit1PnZQ410vF5Mwe0D1R6jHczgBmHTYUBDWaWc=; h=In-Reply-To:From:Date:Cc:To:Subject; b=v/bvtP8eKmiVJEyEDK86Lk2UrSNxpvyZUaXHMCQuo2kdpTjG78jA7EnMkv3BnX2hh +NuAxf3z1Djg7r5PhJWfcncfGs/yK8qQ6sl7asXEybmVyWiJWScAtIAc2HhZQrjZZ7 d5BvppqmY68qb7xDpilPu6ggZJvxgEmsswo/B44E= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" In-Reply-To: From: =?utf-8?q?Michal_Va=C5=A1ko?= X-Forward: 84.42.161.20 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 10:04:16 +0100 Cc: "Mahesh Jethanandani" , =?utf-8?q?netconf=40ietf=2Eorg?= , =?utf-8?q?yang-doctors=40ietf=2Eorg?= To: =?utf-8?q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <18a5-5e6b4c80-51-14b8eec0@242693337> User-Agent: SOGoMail 2.3.23 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] =?utf-8?b?Pz09P3V0Zi04P3E/ICBSZXF1aXJlLWluc3RhbmNlIHBy?= =?utf-8?b?b2JsZW0gW3dhczo/PT0/dXRmLTg/cT8gUkU6Pz09P3V0Zi04P3E/IFdHTEM6?= =?utf-8?q?_draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11=5D?= X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 09:04:23 -0000 Hi Balazs, just to explain libyang behavior, if you look at (pattern ) definition, there is explicitl= y mentioned that it can appear in derived types. There is no such wordi= ng for (require-instance ), it mentions only "instance-identifier" and "leafref" types. Also, libyang does not allow loading invalid schemas so even if you onl= y import it, it will fail. Regards, Michal On Friday, March 13, 2020 09:55 CET, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote: > Hello Mahesh, > > Even if there is some problem with ietf-subscribed-notification how d= oes that effect the validity of instance data for ietf-system-capabilit= ies or ietf-notification-capabilities ? I only import a type and a feat= ure from Yangpush (which imports subscribed notification). These seem n= othing to do with require-instance. > > > > Aside from my draft: > > I do not understand some of libyangs statements: > > =E2=80=9Cas it turned out (ref ), you cannot put require-instance into a derived type=E2= =80=9D. > > Checking ref I did not find why you cannot put require instance into = a typedef. > > > > By the way I have bigger issues with YangValidator. When I load ietf-= system-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get > > > > RecursionError at /yangvalidator/validator > > maximum recursion depth exceeded > > > Request Method: > > POST > > > Request URL: > > http://www.yangvalidator.com/yangvalidator/validator > > > Django Version: > > 3.0.4 > > > Exception Type: > > RecursionError > > > Exception Value: > > maximum recursion depth exceeded > > > Exception Location: > > /home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.= 6.egg/pyang/statements.py in newf, line 42 > > > Python Executable: > > /usr/sbin/uwsgi > > > Python Version: > > 3.6.10 > > > Python Path: > > ['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py= 3.6.egg/pyang/transforms', > > > > Regards Balazs > > > > From: Mahesh Jethanandani > Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 12., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 22:28 > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > Cc: Kent Watsen ; netconf@ietf.org; yang-doctor= s@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabili= ties-11 > > > > [Adding yang-doctors] > > > > Hi Balazs, > > > > > > On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > wrote: > > > > Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated? > > BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server. > > > > I bring this up because I ran into issues when validating the https-n= otif model using ietf-subscribed-notification module, something that yo= u also import. Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to validat= e your example. In this case, I named your example as examples-notifica= tion-capabilities-1.xml. > > > > bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-p= arameters/ ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-= 09.yang exampl= es-notification-capabilities-1.xml > > err : Invalid keyword "require-instance". > > err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. > > err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into "ietf-yan= g-push" failed. > > err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. > > err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into "ietf-notification-capab= ilities" failed. > > err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. > > > > At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, because just like you= I used confd and it did not complain. But folks over at libyang tell m= e that this was discussed as part of their issue #881 and the conclusion = was that you cannot put require-instance in a derived type based on thi= s text. > > > > Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or confd/RFC8639? > > > > In case anyone is wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications modu= le is being imported, here it is: > > > > bash-3.2$ ls .../iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications@2= 019-09-09.yang > > > > Cheers. > > > > BTW, even if I comment out the =E2=80=98require-instance=E2=80=99 sta= tement, yanglint complains about other issues with ietf-subscribed-noti= fications, which I will bring up in a separate thread. > > > > Mahesh Jethanandani > > mjethanandani@gmail.com > > > > > > > From nobody Fri Mar 13 02:40:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DDD3A14CB; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 02:40:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Michal, While the Require-instance issue may or may not be a problem, it is not = caused by my netconf-notification-capabilities draft. I hope we agree on = this. About the require-instance problem: Not mentioning derived types for require-instance in 9.9.3 can be = intentional or an omission. If I just strictly read the text: > The "require-instance" statement, which is a substatement to the > "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is = "instance-identifier" > or "leafref". This says that the require-instance is allowed under type; full stop. = Intentions about the pattern of the text are speculation. The text says = it MAY be there. So unless an errata is filed, it is allowed. IMHO if = that is the intention we would need an explicit sentence like: "Usage of require-instance is not allowed for derived types." I don't have a strict view on which was the intention (maybe Martin has) = but the text is unambiguous to me. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Michal Va=C5=A1ko =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 13., p=C3=A9ntek 10:04 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani ; netconf@ietf.org; = yang-doctors@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem [was: RE: WGLC: = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11] Hi Balazs, just to explain libyang behavior, if you look at (pattern = ) definition, there = is explicitly mentioned that it can appear in derived types. There is no = such wording for (require-instance = ), it mentions only = "instance-identifier" and "leafref" types. Also, libyang does not allow loading invalid schemas so even if you only = import it, it will fail. Regards, Michal On Friday, March 13, 2020 09:55 CET, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote:=20 =20 > Hello Mahesh, >=20 > Even if there is some problem with ietf-subscribed-notification how = does that effect the validity of instance data for = ietf-system-capabilities or ietf-notification-capabilities ? I only = import a type and a feature from Yangpush (which imports subscribed = notification). These seem nothing to do with require-instance. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Aside from my draft: >=20 > I do not understand some of libyangs statements: =20 >=20 > =E2=80=9Cas it turned out (ref = ), you cannot put = require-instance into a derived type=E2=80=9D.=20 >=20 > Checking ref I did not find why you cannot put require instance into a = typedef. >=20 > =20 >=20 > By the way I have bigger issues with YangValidator. When I load = ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > RecursionError at /yangvalidator/validator >=20 > maximum recursion depth exceeded >=20 >=20 > Request Method: >=20 > POST >=20 >=20 > Request URL: >=20 > = https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D6cc7e6c7-3013efa1-6cc7a65c-8610d8= a762ca-0a278d65531d4f4f&q=3D1&e=3Db7200729-5cfb-4d52-b459-737457b266e0&u=3D= http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yangvalidator.com%2Fyangvalidator%2Fvalidator >=20 >=20 > Django Version: >=20 > 3.0.4 >=20 >=20 > Exception Type: >=20 > RecursionError >=20 >=20 > Exception Value: >=20 > maximum recursion depth exceeded >=20 >=20 > Exception Location: >=20 > = /home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.eg= g/pyang/statements.py in newf, line 42 >=20 >=20 > Python Executable: >=20 > /usr/sbin/uwsgi >=20 >=20 > Python Version: >=20 > 3.6.10 >=20 >=20 > Python Path: >=20 > = ['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.= egg/pyang/transforms', >=20 > =20 >=20 > Regards Balazs >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: Mahesh Jethanandani =20 > Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 12., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 22:28 > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > Cc: Kent Watsen ; netconf@ietf.org; = yang-doctors@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 >=20 > =20 >=20 > [Adding yang-doctors] >=20 > =20 >=20 > Hi Balazs, >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > = wrote: >=20 > =20 >=20 > Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated? >=20 > BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I bring this up because I ran into issues when validating the = https-notif model using ietf-subscribed-notification module, something = that you also import. Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to = validate your example. In this case, I named your example as = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml. >=20 > =20 >=20 > bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p = /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ = ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang = = ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang = = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml=20 >=20 > err : Invalid keyword "require-instance". >=20 > err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. >=20 > err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into = "ietf-yang-push" failed. >=20 > err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. >=20 > err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into = "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed. >=20 > err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. >=20 > =20 >=20 > At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, because just like you = I used confd and it did not complain. But folks over at libyang tell me = that this was discussed as part of their issue #881 = and the = conclusion was that you cannot put require-instance in a derived type = based on this text. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or confd/RFC8639? >=20 > =20 >=20 > In case anyone is wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications = module is being imported, here it is: >=20 > =20 >=20 > bash-3.2$ ls = .../iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang = =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Cheers. >=20 > =20 >=20 > BTW, even if I comment out the =E2=80=98require-instance=E2=80=99 = statement, yanglint complains about other issues with = ietf-subscribed-notifications, which I will bring up in a separate = thread. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Mahesh Jethanandani >=20 > mjethanandani@gmail.com =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01D5F923.CD236C40 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 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([2601:647:5600:5020:20a6:1027:cd80:bfca]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o126sm11974031pfb.140.2020.03.13.13.14.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:14:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_53AF3495-8FFF-4096-AA4A-0E3812C935DA" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:14:11 -0700 To: Netconf , netmod@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] yanglint errors for ietf-subscribed-notifications X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 20:14:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_53AF3495-8FFF-4096-AA4A-0E3812C935DA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 As I mentioned in the other thread, I am seeing errors while trying to = use yanglint to validate examples for modules that import = ietf-subscribed-notifications. I see it with = ietf-notification-capabilities and with my own draft ietf-https-notif. = These errors do not appear with confd.=20 Using ietf-notification-capabilites and the first example in the -12 = version of the draft which I call = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml, and released models for = ietf-yang-push and ietf-subscribed-notifications, I see two issues. The = first one related to the statement 'required-instance=E2=80=99 in = ietf-subscribed-notifications is discussed on the other thread, and I do = not want to repeat it here. If I comment out the only instance of = =E2=80=98required-instance=E2=80=99 in the module, I run into more = errors: bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p = /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ = ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang = ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml=20 err : The leafref leaf is config but refers to a non-config leaf. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/target/stream/s= tream) err : Invalid value "subscription-policy" of "uses". = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-po= licy) err : Copying data from grouping failed. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-po= licy) err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into = "ietf-yang-push" failed. err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into = "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed. err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. While pyang gives the following error: bash-3.2$ pyang -f tree ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang > = ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09-tree.txt ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang:381: error: the path for = stream is config but refers to a non-config leaf "name" defined at = ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang:1046 Have other encountered this error? If we agree this is an error, is = there a -bis to fix this? Thanks. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_53AF3495-8FFF-4096-AA4A-0E3812C935DA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 As = I mentioned in the other thread, I am seeing errors while trying to use = yanglint to validate examples for modules that import = ietf-subscribed-notifications. I see it with = ietf-notification-capabilities and with my own draft ietf-https-notif. = These errors do not appear with confd. 

Using ietf-notification-capabilites and = the first example in the -12 version of the draft which I call = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml, and released models for = ietf-yang-push and ietf-subscribed-notifications, I see two issues. The = first one related to the statement 'required-instance=E2=80=99 in = ietf-subscribed-notifications is discussed on the other thread, and I do = not want to repeat it here. If I comment out the only instance of = =E2=80=98required-instance=E2=80=99 in the module, I run into more = errors:

bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p = /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml 
err = : The leafref leaf is config but refers to a non-config leaf. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/target/stream/s= tream)
err : Invalid value "subscription-policy" of = "uses". = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-po= licy)
err : Copying data from grouping failed. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-po= licy)
err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" = parsing failed.
err : Importing = "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into "ietf-yang-push" = failed.
err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing = failed.
err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module = into "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed.
err : = Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed.

While pyang gives the = following error:

bash-3.2$  pyang -f tree ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang > ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09-tree.txt
ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang:381: error: = the path for stream is config but refers to a non-config leaf "name" = defined at ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang:1046

Have other = encountered this error? If we agree this is an error, is there a -bis to = fix this?

Thanks.

Mahesh Jethanandani



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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IMO this is a problem with pyang/yanglint not the model. By the way for = me pyang 2.2.1 does not indicate an error. =20 Line 381:(379) defines=20 typedef stream-ref { type leafref { path "/sn:streams/sn:stream/sn:name"; This is just a type so it is unknown if it is config=3Dfalse or true. =20 The only place stream-ref is used is line 591 type stream-ref { require-instance false; =20 According to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.9 If the referring node represents configuration data and the "require-instance" property (Section 9.9.3 = ) is "true", the = referred node MUST also represent configuration. =20 However as the require-instance is false, this should not be a problem. =20 Regards Balazs P.S> As yanglint does not provide line numbers it is hard to judge what = it exactly wants. =20 =20 From: netconf On Behalf Of Mahesh = Jethanandani Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 13., p=C3=A9ntek 21:14 To: Netconf ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netconf] yanglint errors for ietf-subscribed-notifications =20 As I mentioned in the other thread, I am seeing errors while trying to = use yanglint to validate examples for modules that import = ietf-subscribed-notifications. I see it with = ietf-notification-capabilities and with my own draft ietf-https-notif. = These errors do not appear with confd.=20 =20 Using ietf-notification-capabilites and the first example in the -12 = version of the draft which I call = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml, and released models for = ietf-yang-push and ietf-subscribed-notifications, I see two issues. The = first one related to the statement 'required-instance=E2=80=99 in = ietf-subscribed-notifications is discussed on the other thread, and I do = not want to repeat it here. If I comment out the only instance of = =E2=80=98required-instance=E2=80=99 in the module, I run into more = errors: =20 bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p = /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ = ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang = = ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang = = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml=20 err : The leafref leaf is config but refers to a non-config leaf. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/target/stream/= stream) err : Invalid value "subscription-policy" of "uses". = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-p= olicy) err : Copying data from grouping failed. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-p= olicy) err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into = "ietf-yang-push" failed. err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into = "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed. err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. =20 While pyang gives the following error: =20 bash-3.2$ pyang -f tree ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang = > = ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09-tree.txt = =20 ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang = :381: error: the = path for stream is config but refers to a non-config leaf "name" defined = at ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang = :1046 =20 Have other encountered this error? If we agree this is an error, is = there a -bis to fix this? =20 Thanks. =20 Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_00C3_01D5FB6F.7B226150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

IMO this = is a problem with pyang/yanglint not the model. By the way for me pyang = 2.2.1 does not indicate an error.

 

Line = 381:(379) defines

typedef stream-ref = {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 type leafref = {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 path = "/sn:streams/sn:stream/sn:name";

This is just a type so it is unknown if it is = config=3Dfalse or true.

 

The only = place stream-ref is used is line 591

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = type stream-ref {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 require-instance false;

 

According to = https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.9

If the referring node represents configuration data and = the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 = "require-instance" property (Section = 9.9.3) is "true", the referred

=C2=A0=C2=A0 node MUST also represent = configuration.

 

However as = the require-instance is false, this should not be a = problem.

 

Regards Balazs

P.S> As yanglint does not provide line numbers it = is hard to judge what it exactly wants.

 

 

From: netconf = <netconf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Mahesh = Jethanandani
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 13., p=C3=A9ntek = 21:14
To: Netconf <netconf@ietf.org>; = netmod@ietf.org
Subject: [netconf] yanglint errors for = ietf-subscribed-notifications

 

As I = mentioned in the other thread, I am seeing errors while trying to use = yanglint to validate examples for modules that import = ietf-subscribed-notifications. I see it with = ietf-notification-capabilities and with my own draft ietf-https-notif. = These errors do not appear with confd. 

 

Using ietf-notification-capabilites and the first = example in the -12 version of the draft which I call = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml, and released models for = ietf-yang-push and ietf-subscribed-notifications, I see two issues. The = first one related to the statement 'required-instance=E2=80=99 in = ietf-subscribed-notifications is discussed on the other thread, and I do = not want to repeat it here. If I comment out the only instance of = =E2=80=98required-instance=E2=80=99 in the module, I run into more = errors:

 

bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p = /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ ietf-system-capa= bilities@2020-03-08.yang ietf-notif= ication-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>err : The leafref leaf is config but refers to a = non-config leaf. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/target/stream/= stream)

err : Invalid = value "subscription-policy" of "uses". = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-p= olicy)

err : Copying data = from grouping failed. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-p= olicy)

err : Module = "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing = failed.

err : Importing = "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into = "ietf-yang-push" failed.

err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing = failed.

err : Importing = "ietf-yang-push" module into = "ietf-notification-capabilities" = failed.

err : Module = "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing = failed.

 

While pyang gives the following = error:

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>ietf-subscr= ibed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang:381: error: the path for stream = is config but refers to a non-config leaf "name" defined at ietf-subscr= ibed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang:1046

 

Have other encountered this error? If we agree this is = an error, is there a -bis to fix this?

 

Thanks.

 

= Mahesh Jethanandani

=  

 

 

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"yang-doctors@ietf.org" , "netconf@ietf.org" References: <18a5-5e6b4c80-51-14b8eec0@242693337> From: Radek Krejci Autocrypt: addr=rkrejci@cesnet.cz; keydata= xsDiBEKfHd4RBADDE8CtJpEtOraXBKfQg0KCRZu7BRALixoLqW98U+N9h+PJ+gCnFaKNmnYu fXWLYKTJRUlaoMGIJOZjHpr/zvwozSR+VJkxCsTyNYTF8vIfN3Iwrxy9e8CNy/O1GI50K/ld WWMDl+3M2NztiBFPrCT0b/U5ErsN7bTrf2XLEQRpZwCg95POGbJPqPAaaok2KU5e2u0/flsD /AyC0aRO66Ci0OGw0R5sCJmzZ5xE5eBUvfx0N0IC16aojrwRYM5yf+bULtBDd4wPI1R+VH/X P6OrDgzlDmutJthVtYfCcho3IhqnVo1R/UvJxjF3ATKbOnVHL4xwiLSrRDb6rKVyd1+Kc7cq +JABgFl+JP4xndytvvUXdVqhuSUFBACCDdDtxutkclBrvEp2guBIftuT4/oK3IWxgtevlGfY LZXwdD6pIWS1z6y6xthoFTsLWS1QCFk2ZXmAgvOV/lnW0iGHwO5kCfzvWJq7weeH2FGuBgq+ WInxhdIFD/QwiXV6EPUWzAoC5Fx4Cz5ySFSd6n0C1Mrzin3ABtPHRpUT8s0pUmFkZWsgS3Jl amNpIChDRVNORVQpIDxya3JlamNpQGNlc25ldC5jej7CYgQTEQIAIgUCTT/pkAIbAwYLCQgH AwIGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQIMoxClN+p/31DwCfWVWX1IWaUa6+QbuVvZQIkb6m Rn8AoLRvdANGe/As/Nxabu+KKtrorkQ6zsBNBEKfHeIQBACwORs231u+o9/pM7y85ZlZhnNY 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WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 09:28:18 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050907010203040101090705 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1E1CC376F0222D0AB3D4C5A3" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1E1CC376F0222D0AB3D4C5A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Balasz, Dne 13. 03. 20 v 10:40 Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel napsal(a): > Hello Michal, > While the Require-instance issue may or may not be a problem, it is not= caused by my netconf-notification-capabilities draft. I hope we agree on= this. > > About the require-instance problem: > Not mentioning derived types for require-instance in 9.9.3 can be inten= tional or an omission. If I just strictly read the text: >> The "require-instance" statement, which is a substatement to the >> "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is "instance-identifie= r" >> or "leafref". > This says that the require-instance is allowed under type; full stop. but there is no full stop, the sentence continues, please read it till its end, it specifies conditions when the substatement can be used. Also please compare with the text in 9.4.4 (length) or 9.2.4 (range) where the derived types are explicitly mentioned in case the statement is meant to be allowed there. The specification is not supposed to explicitly state where it IS NOT allowed, instead it specifies where it IS allowed. By your interpretation, require-instance would be allowed even in integer types since it is not explicitly denied. Regards, Radek > Intentions about the pattern of the text are speculation. The text say= s it MAY be there. So unless an errata is filed, it is allowed. IMHO if t= hat is the intention we would need an explicit sentence like: > "Usage of require-instance is not allowed for derived types." > I don't have a strict view on which was the intention (maybe Martin has= ) but the text is unambiguous to me. > Regards Balazs > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michal Va=C5=A1ko =20 > Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 13., p=C3=A9ntek 10:04 > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani ; netconf@ietf.org; ya= ng-doctors@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem [was: RE: WGLC: draft-i= etf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11] > > Hi Balazs, > just to explain libyang behavior, if you look at (pattern ) definition, there is explicitly = mentioned that it can appear in derived types. There is no such wording f= or (require-instance = ), it mentions only "instance-identifier" and "leafref" types. > > Also, libyang does not allow loading invalid schemas so even if you onl= y import it, it will fail. > > Regards, > Michal > > On Friday, March 13, 2020 09:55 CET, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote:=20 > =20 >> Hello Mahesh, >> >> Even if there is some problem with ietf-subscribed-notification how do= es that effect the validity of instance data for ietf-system-capabilities= or ietf-notification-capabilities ? I only import a type and a feature f= rom Yangpush (which imports subscribed notification). These seem nothing = to do with require-instance. >> >> =20 >> >> Aside from my draft: >> >> I do not understand some of libyangs statements: =20 >> >> =E2=80=9Cas it turned out (ref ), you cannot put require-instance into a derived type=E2=80= =9D.=20 >> >> Checking ref I did not find why you cannot put require instance into a= typedef. >> >> =20 >> >> By the way I have bigger issues with YangValidator. When I load ietf-s= ystem-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get=20 >> >> =20 >> >> RecursionError at /yangvalidator/validator >> >> maximum recursion depth exceeded >> >> >> Request Method: >> >> POST >> >> >> Request URL: >> >> https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D6cc7e6c7-3013efa1-6cc7a65c-861= 0d8a762ca-0a278d65531d4f4f&q=3D1&e=3Db7200729-5cfb-4d52-b459-737457b266e0= &u=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.yangvalidator.com%2Fyangvalidator%2Fvalidator >> >> >> Django Version: >> >> 3.0.4 >> >> >> Exception Type: >> >> RecursionError >> >> >> Exception Value: >> >> maximum recursion depth exceeded >> >> >> Exception Location: >> >> /home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6= =2Eegg/pyang/statements.py in newf, line 42 >> >> >> Python Executable: >> >> /usr/sbin/uwsgi >> >> >> Python Version: >> >> 3.6.10 >> >> >> Python Path: >> >> ['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3= =2E6.egg/pyang/transforms', >> >> =20 >> >> Regards Balazs >> >> =20 >> >> From: Mahesh Jethanandani =20 >> Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 12., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 22:28 >> To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel >> Cc: Kent Watsen ; netconf@ietf.org; yang-doctors= @ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilit= ies-11 >> >> =20 >> >> [Adding yang-doctors] >> >> =20 >> >> Hi Balazs, >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> >> On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > wrote: >> >> =20 >> >> Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated? >> >> BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server. >> >> =20 >> >> I bring this up because I ran into issues when validating the https-no= tif model using ietf-subscribed-notification module, something that you a= lso import. Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to validate you= r example. In this case, I named your example as examples-notification-ca= pabilities-1.xml. >> >> =20 >> >> bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-pa= rameters/ ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.ya= ng examples-noti= fication-capabilities-1.xml=20 >> >> err : Invalid keyword "require-instance". >> >> err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. >> >> err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into "ietf-yang= -push" failed. >> >> err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. >> >> err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into "ietf-notification-capabi= lities" failed. >> >> err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. >> >> =20 >> >> At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, because just like you = I used confd and it did not complain. But folks over at libyang tell me t= hat this was discussed as part of their issue #881 and the conclusion was that yo= u cannot put require-instance in a derived type based on this text. >> >> =20 >> >> Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or confd/RFC8639? >> >> =20 >> >> In case anyone is wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications modul= e is being imported, here it is: >> >> =20 >> >> bash-3.2$ ls ..../iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications@2= 019-09-09.yang =20 >> >> =20 >> >> Cheers. >> >> =20 >> >> BTW, even if I comment out the =E2=80=98require-instance=E2=80=99 stat= ement, yanglint complains about other issues with ietf-subscribed-notific= ations, which I will bring up in a separate thread. >> >> =20 >> >> Mahesh Jethanandani >> >> mjethanandani@gmail.com =20 >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> > =20 > =20 > > > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --------------1E1CC376F0222D0AB3D4C5A3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Balasz,
Dne 13. 03. 20 v 10:40 Bal=C3=A1zs= Lengyel napsal(a):
Hello Michal,
While the Require-instance issue may or may not be a problem, it is not c=
aused by my netconf-notification-capabilities draft. I hope we agree on t=
his.

About the require-instance problem:
Not mentioning derived types for require-instance in 9.9.3 can be intenti=
onal or an omission. If I just strictly read the text:

The "require-instance" sta=
tement, which is a substatement to the
   "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is "instance-identifier"
   or "leafref".

This says that the require-i=
nstance is allowed under type; full stop.

but there is no full stop, the sentence continues, please read it till its end, it specifies conditions when the substatement can be used. Also please compare with the text in 9.4.4 (length) or 9.2.4 (range) where the derived types are explicitly mentioned in case the statement is meant to be allowed there. The specification is not supposed to explicitly state where it IS NOT allowed, instead it specifies where it IS allowed. By your interpretation, require-instance would be allowed even in integer types since it is not explicitly denied.

Regards,
Radek


 
 Intentions about the patter=
n of the text are speculation. The text says it MAY be there. So unless a=
n errata is filed, it is allowed. IMHO if that is the intention we would =
need an explicit sentence like:
"Usage of require-instance is not allowed for derived types."
I don't have a strict view on which was the intention (maybe Martin has) =
but the text is unambiguous to me.
Regards Balazs

-----Original Message-----
From: Michal Va=C5=A1ko <mvasko@cesnet.cz>=20
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 13., p=C3=A9ntek 10:04
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com>; netconf@ietf.=
org; yang-doctors@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem [was: RE: WGLC: draft-iet=
f-netconf-notification-capabilities-11]

Hi Balazs,
just to explain libyang behavior, if you look at (pattern <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.4.5> ) d=
efinition, there is explicitly mentioned that it can appear in derived ty=
pes. There is no such wording for (require-instance <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9..9.3> ), it men=
tions only "instance-identifier" and "leafref" types.

Also, libyang does not allow loading invalid schemas so even if you only =
import it, it will fail.

Regards,
Michal

On Friday, March 13, 2020 09:55 CET, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote=
:=20
=20

Hello Mahesh,

Even if there is some problem with ietf-subscribed-notification how does =
that effect the validity of instance data for ietf-system-capabilities or=
 ietf-notification-capabilities ? I only import a type and a feature from=
 Yangpush (which imports subscribed notification). These seem nothing to =
do with require-instance.

=20

Aside from my draft:

I do not understand some of libyangs statements: =20

=E2=80=9Cas it turned out (ref <https://tools.iet=
f.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.9.3> ), you cannot put require-instan=
ce into a derived type=E2=80=9D.=20

Checking ref I did not find why you cannot put require instance into a ty=
pedef.

=20

By the way I have bigger issues with YangValidator. When I load ietf-syst=
em-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get=20

=20

RecursionError at /yangvalidator/validator

maximum recursion depth exceeded


Request Method:

POST


Request URL:

https://protect2.fireeye.co=
m/v1/url?k=3D6cc7e6c7-3013efa1-6cc7a65c-8610d8a762ca-0a278d65531d4f4f&=
;q=3D1&e=3Db7200729-5cfb-4d52-b459-737457b266e0&u=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2F=
www.yangvalidator.com%2Fyangvalidator%2Fvalidator


Django Version:

3.0.4


Exception Type:

RecursionError


Exception Value:

maximum recursion depth exceeded


Exception Location:

/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.eg=
g/pyang/statements.py in newf, line 42


Python Executable:

/usr/sbin/uwsgi


Python Version:

3.6.10


Python Path:

['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.=
egg/pyang/transforms',

=20

Regards Balazs

=20

From: Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com>=20
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 12., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 22:28
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net>; netconf@ietf.org; y=
ang-doctors@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities=
-11

=20

[Adding yang-doctors]

=20

Hi Balazs,

=20

=20

On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.leng=
yel@ericsson.com <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>=
 > wrote:

=20

Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated?

BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server.

=20

I bring this up because I ran into issues when validating the https-notif=
 model using ietf-subscribed-notification module, something that you also=
 import. Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to validate your e=
xample. In this case, I named your example as examples-notification-capab=
ilities-1.xml.

=20

bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-param=
eters/ ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang=
 <mailto:ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang&g=
t;  ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-0=
3-09.yang <mailto:ietf-notification-capab=
ilities@2020-03-09.yang>  examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml=
=20

err : Invalid keyword "require-instance".

err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed.

err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into "ietf-yang-pu=
sh" failed.

err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed.

err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into "ietf-notification-capabilit=
ies" failed.

err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed.

=20

At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, because just like you I u=
sed confd and it did not complain. But folks over at libyang tell me that=
 this was discussed as part of their issue  #881 <https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3Da6420c80-=
fa9605e6-a6424c1b-8610d8a762ca-d6cddc5edf1151a7&q=3D1&e=3D3cd8e8a=
f-8aea-4f96-939b-8e1e455eac74&u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FCESNET%2=
Flibyang%2Fissues%2F881>  and the conclusion was that you cannot p=
ut require-instance in a derived type based on this =
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.9.3>  text.

=20

Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or confd/RFC8639?

=20

In case anyone is wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications module i=
s being imported, here it is:

=20

bash-3.2$ ls ..../iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019=
-09-09.yang <mailto:iana/=
yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang>=20

=20

Cheers.

=20

BTW, even if I comment out the =E2=80=98require-instance=E2=80=99 stateme=
nt, yanglint complains about other issues with ietf-subscribed-notificati=
ons, which I will bring up in a separate thread.

=20

Mahesh Jethanandani

mjethanandani@gmail.com <mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com>=20

=20

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Hi, I would like to make a suggestion regarding the groupings for public keys a= nd certificates in draft-ietf-netconf-crypto-types-14: Especially in case of manual server verification in applications like (Open= )SSH or HTTPS (self-signed certs), it is quite common to compare fingerprin= ts of an (remote) identity. Therefore it might be useful to add operational data ("config false") nodes= to those groupings to provide the fingerprints of a public key/certificate= . That would provide easy manual verification, e.g. of a whole certificate ch= ain stored in . Any feedback on this proposal is much appreciated. Please find an example of how a generic realization in the crypto-types mod= ule could look like below: Since "x509c2n:tls-fingerprint" is probably not an appropriate namespace to= describe a public-key fingerprint, an according datatype could look like t= hat: typedef fingerprint { type yang:hex-string { /* max string range of x509c2n:tls-fingerprint's pattern restriction = */ length "min .. 764"; } } A new grouping to provide fingerprints depending on the available hashing a= lgorithms: grouping fingerprints-grouping { description "A set of fingerprints of a public key or a certificate. Implementations SHOULD NOT provide a list entry for an algorithm that is not being listed as supported in iana-hash-algs."; container fingerprints { description "A set of fingerprints of a public key or a certificate."; list fingerprint { key "algorithm"; description "A fingerprint."; leaf algorithm { type iha:hash-algorithm-type; description "The hashing algorithm."; } leaf hash { type fingerprint; description "The fingerprint value."; } } } } The resulting updated groupings would look like that: (*) indicates the new= nodes grouping public-key-grouping +-- algorithm iasa:asymmetric-algorithm-type (*)+--ro fingerprints (*)| +--ro fingerprint* [algorithm] (*)| +--ro algorithm iha:hash-algorithm-type (*)| +--ro hash fingerprint +-- public-key-format? identityref +-- public-key binary grouping trust-anchor-cert-grouping +-- cert? trust-anchor-cert-cms (*)+--ro fingerprints (*)| +--ro fingerprint* [algorithm] (*)| +--ro algorithm iha:hash-algorithm-type (*)| +--ro hash fingerprint +---n certificate-expiration +-- expiration-date yang:date-and-time grouping end-entity-cert-grouping +-- cert? end-entity-cert-cms (*)+--ro fingerprints (*)| +--ro fingerprint* [algorithm] (*)| +--ro algorithm iha:hash-algorithm-type (*)| +--ro hash fingerprint +---n certificate-expiration +-- expiration-date yang:date-and-time Please note that leaf-lists as used in "trust-anchor-certs-grouping" or "en= d-entity-certs-grouping" wouldn't be considered by that approach. Again, any feedback is appreciated. Thanks BR Maurice With best regards, Maurice Angermann Siemens AG Digital Industries Process Automation Software House Khe DI PA CI R&D 2 Oestliche Rheinbrueckenstr. 50 76187 Karlsruhe, Germany mailto:maurice.angermann@siemens.com www.siemens.com/ingenuityforlife Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Jim Hagemann= Snabe; Managing Board: Joe Kaeser, Chairman, President and Chief Executive= Officer; Roland Busch, Lisa Davis, Klaus Helmrich, Cedrik Neike, Michael S= en, Ralf P. Thomas; Registered offices: Berlin and Munich, Germany; Commerc= ial registries: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, Munich, HRB 6684; WEEE-Re= g.-No. DE 23691322 --_000_AM0PR10MB3378F579924AE0D6A3EA79DDE6F90AM0PR10MB3378EURP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I would like to make a suggestion rega= rding the groupings for public keys and certificates in draft-ietf-netconf-= crypto-types-14:

 

Especially in case of manual server ve= rification in applications like (Open)SSH or HTTPS (self-signed certs), it = is quite common to compare fingerprints of an (remote) identity.

Therefore it might be useful to add op= erational data (“config false”) nodes to those groupings to pro= vide the fingerprints of a public key/certificate.

That would provide easy manual verific= ation, e.g. of a whole certificate chain stored in <running>.

 

Any feedback on this proposal is much = appreciated.

 

Please find an example of how a generi= c realization in the crypto-types module could look like below:<= /span>

 

Since “x509c2n:tls-fingerprint&#= 8221; is probably not an appropriate namespace to describe a public-key fin= gerprint, an according datatype could look like that:

  typedef fingerprint {

    type yang:hex-string {

      /* max strin= g range of x509c2n:tls-fingerprint's pattern restriction */

      length "= ;min .. 764";

    }

  }

 

A new grouping to provide fingerprints= depending on the available hashing algorithms:

  grouping fingerprints-grouping {

    description

      "A set = of fingerprints of a public key or a certificate.

       Implementati=
ons SHOULD NOT provide a list entry for an algorithm

       that is not =
being listed as supported in iana-hash-algs.";


   container fingerprints {<=
o:p>


      description<=
o:p>


        =
"A set of fingerprints of a public key or a certificate.";


      list fingerp=
rint {


        =
key "algorithm";


        =
description


       &=
nbsp;  "A fingerprint.";


        =
leaf algorithm {


        =
  type iha:hash-algorithm-type;


       &=
nbsp;  description


       &=
nbsp;    "The hashing algorithm.";


        =
}


        =
leaf hash {


        =
  type fingerprint;



       &=
nbsp;  description


       &=
nbsp;    "The fingerprint value.";


        =
}


      }=



    }


  }


 


The resulting updated groupings would =
look like that:
(*) indicates the new nodes=



  grouping public-key-grouping


    +-- algorithm  &=
nbsp;            &nb=
sp; iasa:asymmetric-algorithm-type


 (*)+--ro fingerprints

 (*)|  +--ro fingerprint* [algorith=
m]


 (*)|     +--ro al=
gorithm            &=
nbsp;iha:hash-algorithm-type


 (*)|     +--ro hash =
;             &=
nbsp;   fingerprint


    +-- public-key-format?&nbs=
p;       identityref


    +-- public-key  =
             &n=
bsp;binary


 


  grouping trust-anchor-cert-grouping


    +-- cert?   =
;            &n=
bsp;     trust-anchor-cert-cms


 (*)+--ro fingerprints

 (*)|  +--ro fingerprint* [algorith=
m]


 (*)|     +--ro algorithm=
             ih=
a:hash-algorithm-type


 (*)|     +--ro hash =
;             &=
nbsp;   fingerprint


    +---n certificate-expirati=
on


       +-- expi=
ration-date    yang:date-and-time


 


  grouping end-entity-cert-grouping


    +-- cert?   =
;            &n=
bsp;     end-entity-cert-cms


 (*)+--ro fingerprints

 (*)|  +--ro fingerprint* [algorith=
m]


 (*)|     +--ro algorithm=
             ih=
a:hash-algorithm-type


 (*)|     +--ro hash =
;             &=
nbsp;   fingerprint


    +---n certificate-expirati=
on


       +-- expi=
ration-date    yang:date-and-time


 


Please note that leaf-lists as used in=
 “trust-anchor-certs-grouping” or “end-entity-certs-group=
ing” wouldn’t be considered by that approach.=



 


Again, any feedback is appreciated.


 


Thanks


BR Maurice


 


 


 


With best regards,

Maurice Angermann



Siemens AG

Digital Industries

Process Automation

Software House Khe

DI PA CI R&D 2

Oestliche Rheinbrueckenstr. 50

76187 Karlsruhe, Germany

mailto:maurice.angermann@siemens.com

www.siemens.com/ingenui=
tyforlife



Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Chairman of the Supervisory=
 Board: Jim Hagemann Snabe; Managing Board: Joe Kaeser, Chairman, President=
 and Chief Executive Officer; Roland Busch, Lisa
 Davis, Klaus Helmrich, Cedrik Neike, Michael Sen, Ralf P. Thomas; Register=
ed offices: Berlin and Munich, Germany; Commercial registries: Berlin Charl=
ottenburg, HRB 12300, Munich, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-No. DE 23691322


 


 
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2636fe6d-cf48-4679-2d17-08d7ca9592ef X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 17 Mar 2020 17:06:45.9161 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 86LkBR9jrZbZEckNk3KRoq37fwuulQH1/gcHJMWBfDbyeWQyusuIqinYQQUE9m61jHTH0pssq1lh0Tp7gqPcdz03O16IsbwDHqfY2vvVbZc= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB7PR07MB5031 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 17:06:53 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01D5FC86.D10376A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Radek, Martin, At this point I cannot imagine a reason why require-instance would be = allowed on a locally defined type, but not in a typedef. Do you see any = reason for such restriction? Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 17., kedd 17:48 To: rkrejci@cesnet.cz Cc: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel ; mvasko@cesnet.cz; = yang-doctors@ietf.org; netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem Hi, Some background: Some types in YANG can be restricted, e.g., an int32 can have a range = restriction, a string can have a length restriction etc. When a type A = is restricted in this way, the new type B's value space is a subset of = A's value space. Some types cannot be restricted, i.e., their value space cannot be = altered (e.g., "boolean"). Some other types need substatements to properly define the value space, = e.g., an "enumeration" needs a set of "enum" statements and a = "decimal64" needs a "fraction-digits". The only way to expand the value space is to use type "union". So in all cases, the derived type's value space is a subset of its base = type's value space. Now, for instance-identifier and leafref, the "require-instance" is a = bit weird. It is called a "restriction" but it isn't really a = restriction, since it doesn't change the value space. If it is set to = "true" it defines a constraint that must be true in valid data. Radek Krejci wrote: > Also > please compare with the text in 9.4.4 (length) or 9.2.4 (range) where=20 > the derived types are explicitly mentioned in case the statement is=20 > meant to be allowed there. The specification is not supposed to=20 > explicitly state where it IS NOT allowed, instead it specifies where=20 > it IS allowed. Agreed. > By your interpretation, require-instance would be allowed even in=20 > integer types since it is not explicitly denied. I don't think this is the logical interpretation. Suppose we have two = types "foo" and "bar": typedef foo { type leafref { path "..."; } } typedef bar { type int32; } It makes (some) logical sense to say that "foo" is a "leafref", and = hence it would be legal according to 9.9.3 to use "require-instance" in = "foo". But it does not make logical sense to say that "bar" is a "leafref", and = hence 9.9.3 doesn't make it legal to use "require-instance" in "bar". BALAZS: 9.9.3 includes "MAY be present if the type is = instance-identifier or leafref"=20 Which to me clearly states this is not allowed for an integer. I don't remember the original intention, but obviously people have = interpreted the text in 9.9.3 in different ways, which indicates that it = is wrong and should be fixed. However, I don't think either = interpretation is obviously correct. Thus, I think that we cannot state = that the usage of "require-instance" in ietf-subscribed-notification is = wrong. /martin >=20 > Regards, > Radek >=20 >=20 > > Intentions about the pattern of the text are speculation. The text = says it MAY be there. So unless an errata is filed, it is allowed. IMHO = if that is the intention we would need an explicit sentence like: > > "Usage of require-instance is not allowed for derived types." > > I don't have a strict view on which was the intention (maybe Martin = has) but the text is unambiguous to me. > > Regards Balazs > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michal Va=C5=A1ko > > Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 13., p=C3=A9ntek 10:04 > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > > Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani ; netconf@ietf.org; = > > yang-doctors@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem [was: RE: WGLC:=20 > > draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11] > > > > Hi Balazs, > > just to explain libyang behavior, if you look at (pattern = ) definition, there = is explicitly mentioned that it can appear in derived types. There is no = such wording for (require-instance = ), it mentions only = "instance-identifier" and "leafref" types. > > > > Also, libyang does not allow loading invalid schemas so even if you = only import it, it will fail. > > > > Regards, > > Michal > > > > On Friday, March 13, 2020 09:55 CET, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote:=20 > > =20 > >> Hello Mahesh, > >> > >> Even if there is some problem with ietf-subscribed-notification how = does that effect the validity of instance data for = ietf-system-capabilities or ietf-notification-capabilities ? I only = import a type and a feature from Yangpush (which imports subscribed = notification). These seem nothing to do with require-instance. > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> Aside from my draft: > >> > >> I do not understand some of libyangs statements: =20 > >> > >> =E2=80=9Cas it turned out (ref = ), you cannot put = require-instance into a derived type=E2=80=9D.=20 > >> > >> Checking ref I did not find why you cannot put require instance = into a typedef. > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> By the way I have bigger issues with YangValidator. When I load=20 > >> ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> RecursionError at /yangvalidator/validator > >> > >> maximum recursion depth exceeded > >> > >> > >> Request Method: > >> > >> POST > >> > >> > >> Request URL: > >> > >> = https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D6cc7e6c7-3013efa1-6cc7a65c-86 > >> = 10d8a762ca-0a278d65531d4f4f&q=3D1&e=3Db7200729-5cfb-4d52-b459-737457b26 > >> = 6e0&u=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.yangvalidator.com%2Fyangvalidator%2Fvalidato > >> r > >> > >> > >> Django Version: > >> > >> 3.0.4 > >> > >> > >> Exception Type: > >> > >> RecursionError > >> > >> > >> Exception Value: > >> > >> maximum recursion depth exceeded > >> > >> > >> Exception Location: > >> > >> /home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py > >> 3.6.egg/pyang/statements.py in newf, line 42 > >> > >> > >> Python Executable: > >> > >> /usr/sbin/uwsgi > >> > >> > >> Python Version: > >> > >> 3.6.10 > >> > >> > >> Python Path: > >> > >> ['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1- > >> py3.6.egg/pyang/transforms', > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> Regards Balazs > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> From: Mahesh Jethanandani > >> Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 12., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 22:28 > >> To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > >> Cc: Kent Watsen ; netconf@ietf.org;=20 > >> yang-doctors@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC:=20 > >> draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> [Adding yang-doctors] > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> Hi Balazs, > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > = wrote: > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated? > >> > >> BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server. > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> I bring this up because I ran into issues when validating the = https-notif model using ietf-subscribed-notification module, something = that you also import. Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to = validate your example. In this case, I named your example as = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml. > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p=20 > >> /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/=20 > >> ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang=20 > >> =20 > >> ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang=20 > >> =20 > >> examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml > >> > >> err : Invalid keyword "require-instance". > >> > >> err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. > >> > >> err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into = "ietf-yang-push" failed. > >> > >> err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. > >> > >> err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into = "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed. > >> > >> err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, because just like = you I used confd and it did not complain. But folks over at libyang tell = me that this was discussed as part of their issue #881 = and the = conclusion was that you cannot put require-instance in a derived type = based on this text. > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or confd/RFC8639? > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> In case anyone is wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications = module is being imported, here it is: > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> bash-3.2$ ls=20 > >> ..../iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09. > >> yang=20 > >> >> 09.yang> > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> Cheers. > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> BTW, even if I comment out the =E2=80=98require-instance=E2=80=99 = statement, yanglint complains about other issues with = ietf-subscribed-notifications, which I will bring up in a separate = thread. > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> Mahesh Jethanandani > >> > >> mjethanandani@gmail.com > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> =20 > >> > > =20 > > =20 > > > > > > 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balazs.lengyel=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org, mvasko@cesnet.cz, yang-doctors@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org References: <18a5-5e6b4c80-51-14b8eec0@242693337> <43ae63dd-a6e8-3e3f-43cd-c9b0f8b2bc8e@cesnet.cz> <20200317.174822.2184005326651469438.id@tail-f.com> From: Radek Krejci Autocrypt: addr=rkrejci@cesnet.cz; keydata= xsDiBEKfHd4RBADDE8CtJpEtOraXBKfQg0KCRZu7BRALixoLqW98U+N9h+PJ+gCnFaKNmnYu fXWLYKTJRUlaoMGIJOZjHpr/zvwozSR+VJkxCsTyNYTF8vIfN3Iwrxy9e8CNy/O1GI50K/ld WWMDl+3M2NztiBFPrCT0b/U5ErsN7bTrf2XLEQRpZwCg95POGbJPqPAaaok2KU5e2u0/flsD /AyC0aRO66Ci0OGw0R5sCJmzZ5xE5eBUvfx0N0IC16aojrwRYM5yf+bULtBDd4wPI1R+VH/X P6OrDgzlDmutJthVtYfCcho3IhqnVo1R/UvJxjF3ATKbOnVHL4xwiLSrRDb6rKVyd1+Kc7cq +JABgFl+JP4xndytvvUXdVqhuSUFBACCDdDtxutkclBrvEp2guBIftuT4/oK3IWxgtevlGfY LZXwdD6pIWS1z6y6xthoFTsLWS1QCFk2ZXmAgvOV/lnW0iGHwO5kCfzvWJq7weeH2FGuBgq+ WInxhdIFD/QwiXV6EPUWzAoC5Fx4Cz5ySFSd6n0C1Mrzin3ABtPHRpUT8s0pUmFkZWsgS3Jl amNpIChDRVNORVQpIDxya3JlamNpQGNlc25ldC5jej7CYgQTEQIAIgUCTT/pkAIbAwYLCQgH 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X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 17:07:33 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040904020502090002060702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Dne 17. 03. 20 v 17:48 Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund napsal(a): > Hi, > > Some background: > > Some types in YANG can be restricted, e.g., an int32 can have a range > restriction, a string can have a length restriction etc. When a type > A is restricted in this way, the new type B's value space is a subset > of A's value space. > > Some types cannot be restricted, i.e., their value space cannot be > altered (e.g., "boolean"). > > Some other types need substatements to properly define the value > space, e.g., an "enumeration" needs a set of "enum" statements and a > "decimal64" needs a "fraction-digits". > > The only way to expand the value space is to use type "union". > > So in all cases, the derived type's value space is a subset of its > base type's value space. > > Now, for instance-identifier and leafref, the "require-instance" is a > bit weird. It is called a "restriction" but it isn't really a > restriction, since it doesn't change the value space. If it is set to > "true" it defines a constraint that must be true in valid data. > > Radek Krejci wrote: >> Also >> please compare with the text in 9.4.4 (length) or 9.2.4 (range) where >> the derived types are explicitly mentioned in case the statement is >> meant to be allowed there. The specification is not supposed to >> explicitly state where it IS NOT allowed, instead it specifies where i= t >> IS allowed. > Agreed. > >> By your interpretation, require-instance would be allowed >> even in integer types since it is not explicitly denied. > I don't think this is the logical interpretation. Suppose we have > two types "foo" and "bar": > > typedef foo { > type leafref { > path "..."; > } > } > > typedef bar { > type int32; > } > > > It makes (some) logical sense to say that "foo" is a "leafref", and > hence it would be legal according to 9.9.3 to use "require-instance" in= > "foo". > > But it does not make logical sense to say that "bar" is a "leafref", > and hence 9.9.3 doesn't make it legal to use "require-instance" in > "bar". > > I don't remember the original intention, but obviously people have > interpreted the text in 9.9.3 in different ways, which indicates that > it is wrong and should be fixed. However, I don't think either > interpretation is obviously correct. Thus, I think that we cannot > state that the usage of "require-instance" in > ietf-subscribed-notification is wrong. so, you are saying that despite formulations in 9.9.3 and e.g. 9.2.4 are different, their meaning is the same? So the "require-instance" can be used in types derived from instance-identifier and leafref? I'm afraid that then it is not about different interpretations, but the text simply misses the part about derived types and errata are required. Radek > > /martin > > > > >> Regards, >> Radek >> >> >>> Intentions about the pattern of the text are speculation. The text s= ays it MAY be there. So unless an errata is filed, it is allowed. IMHO if= that is the intention we would need an explicit sentence like: >>> "Usage of require-instance is not allowed for derived types." >>> I don't have a strict view on which was the intention (maybe Martin h= as) but the text is unambiguous to me. >>> Regards Balazs >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Michal Va=C5=A1ko =20 >>> Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 13., p=C3=A9ntek 10:04 >>> To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel >>> Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani ; netconf@ietf.org; = yang-doctors@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem [was: RE: WGLC: draft= -ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11] >>> >>> Hi Balazs, >>> just to explain libyang behavior, if you look at (pattern ) definition, there is explicitl= y mentioned that it can appear in derived types. There is no such wording= for (require-instance ), it mentions only "instance-identifier" and "leafref" types. >>> >>> Also, libyang does not allow loading invalid schemas so even if you o= nly import it, it will fail. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Michal >>> >>> On Friday, March 13, 2020 09:55 CET, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote:=20 >>> =20 >>>> Hello Mahesh, >>>> >>>> Even if there is some problem with ietf-subscribed-notification how = does that effect the validity of instance data for ietf-system-capabiliti= es or ietf-notification-capabilities ? I only import a type and a feature= from Yangpush (which imports subscribed notification). These seem nothin= g to do with require-instance. >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> Aside from my draft: >>>> >>>> I do not understand some of libyangs statements: =20 >>>> >>>> =E2=80=9Cas it turned out (ref ), you cannot put require-instance into a derived type=E2=80= =9D.=20 >>>> >>>> Checking ref I did not find why you cannot put require instance into= a typedef. >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> By the way I have bigger issues with YangValidator. When I load ietf= -system-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get=20 >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> RecursionError at /yangvalidator/validator >>>> >>>> maximum recursion depth exceeded >>>> >>>> >>>> Request Method: >>>> >>>> POST >>>> >>>> >>>> Request URL: >>>> >>>> https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D6cc7e6c7-3013efa1-6cc7a65c-8= 610d8a762ca-0a278d65531d4f4f&q=3D1&e=3Db7200729-5cfb-4d52-b459-737457b266= e0&u=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.yangvalidator.com%2Fyangvalidator%2Fvalidator >>>> >>>> >>>> Django Version: >>>> >>>> 3.0.4 >>>> >>>> >>>> Exception Type: >>>> >>>> RecursionError >>>> >>>> >>>> Exception Value: >>>> >>>> maximum recursion depth exceeded >>>> >>>> >>>> Exception Location: >>>> >>>> /home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3= =2E6.egg/pyang/statements.py in newf, line 42 >>>> >>>> >>>> Python Executable: >>>> >>>> /usr/sbin/uwsgi >>>> >>>> >>>> Python Version: >>>> >>>> 3.6.10 >>>> >>>> >>>> Python Path: >>>> >>>> ['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-p= y3.6.egg/pyang/transforms', >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> Regards Balazs >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> From: Mahesh Jethanandani =20 >>>> Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 12., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 22:28 >>>> To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel >>>> Cc: Kent Watsen ; netconf@ietf.org; yang-docto= rs@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabil= ities-11 >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> [Adding yang-doctors] >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> Hi Balazs, >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > wrote: >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated? >>>> >>>> BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server. >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> I bring this up because I ran into issues when validating the https-= notif model using ietf-subscribed-notification module, something that you= also import. Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to validate y= our example. In this case, I named your example as examples-notification-= capabilities-1.xml. >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-= parameters/ ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.= yang examples-no= tification-capabilities-1.xml=20 >>>> >>>> err : Invalid keyword "require-instance". >>>> >>>> err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. >>>> >>>> err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into "ietf-ya= ng-push" failed. >>>> >>>> err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. >>>> >>>> err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into "ietf-notification-capa= bilities" failed. >>>> >>>> err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, because just like yo= u I used confd and it did not complain. But folks over at libyang tell me= that this was discussed as part of their issue #881 and the conclusion was that = you cannot put require-instance in a derived type based on this text. >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or confd/RFC8639? >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> In case anyone is wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications mod= ule is being imported, here it is: >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> bash-3.2$ ls ..../iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications= @2019-09-09.yang =20 >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> BTW, even if I comment out the =E2=80=98require-instance=E2=80=99 st= atement, yanglint complains about other issues with ietf-subscribed-notif= ications, which I will bring up in a separate thread. >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> Mahesh Jethanandani >>>> >>>> mjethanandani@gmail.com =20 >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>>> =20 >>>> >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> netconf mailing list 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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 21:51:34 +0000 Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <01000170ea7b00ef-98396396-d6a5-40c0-bb44-58cf84422e10-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: To: maurice.angermann@siemens.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.17-54.240.48.94 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] ietf-crypto-types: read-only nodes to provide fingerprints of public keys and certificates X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 21:51:43 -0000 Hi Maurice, =20 > I would like to make a suggestion regarding the groupings for public = keys and certificates in draft-ietf-netconf-crypto-types-14: > =20 > Especially in case of manual server verification in applications like = (Open)SSH or HTTPS (self-signed certs), it is quite common to compare = fingerprints of an (remote) identity.=20 > Therefore it might be useful to add operational data (=E2=80=9Cconfig = false=E2=80=9D) nodes to those groupings to provide the fingerprints of = a public key/certificate. If I understand you correctly, you're describing a use case whereby a = server is configured to listen for SSH and/or TLS connections, and the = administrator of the server wishes to communicate the =E2=80=9Cfingerprint= =E2=80=9D value to clients that they should accept when establishing a = connection to the server for the first time, as opposed to blindly = accepting the presented fingerprint (i.e., the "trust on first use=E2=80=9D= problem). Is this correct? Assuming this is the use case, some questions are: 1) why would=E2=80=99nt the administrator send the server=E2=80=99s = entire public-key/certificate instead of a fingerprint? 2) do TLS-based applications ever use fingerprints, as opposed to the = Issue=E2=80=99s cert, even if a certificate is self-signed? Assuming fingerprints are indeed needed/used: 3) is there a standard fingerprint formats to use, or does each app = (e.g., OpenSSL) define its own? 4) instead of the administrator obtaining the fingerprint via = operational state (config false) data, would it be just as well for them = to connect to the server itself and get the value that way? Kent // as a contributor > That would provide easy manual verification, e.g. of a whole = certificate chain stored in . > =20 > Any feedback on this proposal is much appreciated. > =20 > Please find an example of how a generic realization in the = crypto-types module could look like below: > =20 > Since =E2=80=9Cx509c2n:tls-fingerprint=E2=80=9D is probably not an = appropriate namespace to describe a public-key fingerprint, an according = datatype could look like that: > typedef fingerprint { > type yang:hex-string { > /* max string range of x509c2n:tls-fingerprint's pattern = restriction */ > length "min .. 764"; > } > } > =20 > A new grouping to provide fingerprints depending on the available = hashing algorithms: > grouping fingerprints-grouping { > description > "A set of fingerprints of a public key or a certificate. > Implementations SHOULD NOT provide a list entry for an = algorithm > that is not being listed as supported in iana-hash-algs."; > container fingerprints { > description > "A set of fingerprints of a public key or a certificate."; > list fingerprint { > key "algorithm"; > description > "A fingerprint."; > leaf algorithm { > type iha:hash-algorithm-type; > description > "The hashing algorithm."; > } > leaf hash { > type fingerprint; > description > "The fingerprint value."; > } > } > } > } > =20 > The resulting updated groupings would look like that: (*) indicates = the new nodes > grouping public-key-grouping > +-- algorithm iasa:asymmetric-algorithm-type > (*)+--ro fingerprints > (*)| +--ro fingerprint* [algorithm] > (*)| +--ro algorithm iha:hash-algorithm-type > (*)| +--ro hash fingerprint > +-- public-key-format? identityref > +-- public-key binary > =20 > grouping trust-anchor-cert-grouping > +-- cert? trust-anchor-cert-cms > (*)+--ro fingerprints > (*)| +--ro fingerprint* [algorithm] > (*)| +--ro algorithm iha:hash-algorithm-type > (*)| +--ro hash fingerprint > +---n certificate-expiration > +-- expiration-date yang:date-and-time > =20 > grouping end-entity-cert-grouping > +-- cert? end-entity-cert-cms > (*)+--ro fingerprints > (*)| +--ro fingerprint* [algorithm] > (*)| +--ro algorithm iha:hash-algorithm-type > (*)| +--ro hash fingerprint > +---n certificate-expiration > +-- expiration-date yang:date-and-time > =20 > Please note that leaf-lists as used in = =E2=80=9Ctrust-anchor-certs-grouping=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=9Cend-entity-certs-grouping=E2=80=9D wouldn=E2=80=99t be = considered by that approach. > =20 > Again, any feedback is appreciated. > =20 > Thanks > BR Maurice > =20 > =20 > =20 > With best regards, > Maurice Angermann >=20 > Siemens AG > Digital Industries > Process Automation > Software House Khe > DI PA CI R&D 2 > Oestliche Rheinbrueckenstr. 50 > 76187 Karlsruhe, Germany > mailto:maurice.angermann@siemens.com > www.siemens.com/ingenuityforlife >=20 > Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Jim = Hagemann Snabe; Managing Board: Joe Kaeser, Chairman, President and = Chief Executive Officer; Roland Busch, Lisa Davis, Klaus Helmrich, = Cedrik Neike, Michael Sen, Ralf P. Thomas; Registered offices: Berlin = and Munich, Germany; Commercial registries: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB = 12300, Munich, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-No. DE 23691322 > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Tue Mar 17 19:54:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4383A0F43 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 19:54:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.355 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.355 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NUMERIC_HTTP_ADDR=1.242, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] 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draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:55:29 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_014B_01D60060.F1923680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, for the suggestion. I will change to MUST. Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 17., kedd 20:04 To: Kent Watsen ; netconf@ietf.org; Bal=C3=A1zs = Lengyel Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 Kent, I've gone through rev-12 and believe the document is ready to = progress. Balazs, one question on first bullet in section 3. It uses SHALL (not = SHOULD), looks like this is on purpose? If yes, I'd rather see MUST but = that's just personal preference. (with all the SHOULD in that section = the SHALL can be misread as SHOULD). Regards, Reshad, =EF=BB=BFOn 2020-03-04, 4:54 PM, "netconf on behalf of Kent Watsen" = wrote: Dear All, =20 This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to = progress the document at this time. The chairs have therefore decided = to extend the WGLC for another two weeks, now ending March 18th. =20 =20 Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and = believe it is ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful and = important, even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are = also welcomed at this time. =20 The NETCONF Chairs =20 =20 =20 =20 > On Feb 17, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Kent Watsen = wrote: >=20 > FWIW, this is WGLC #2, after the major updates resulting from WGLC = #1 (in October). >=20 > K. >=20 >=20 >> On Feb 17, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Kent Watsen = wrote: >>=20 >> This message begins a two-week WGLC for = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 ending on March 2nd (a = week before the IETF 107 submission cutoff deadline). 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(version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 23 Mar 2020 10:26:00 GMT To: Radek Krejci , =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Bj=c3=b6rklund?= Cc: yang-doctors@ietf.org, balazs.lengyel=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org References: <18a5-5e6b4c80-51-14b8eec0@242693337> <43ae63dd-a6e8-3e3f-43cd-c9b0f8b2bc8e@cesnet.cz> <20200317.174822.2184005326651469438.id@tail-f.com> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <1b7ab040-41a9-fa0b-53cf-c91173641cc5@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 11:25:58 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5C820EBACA6D733BF02502AB" Content-Language: en-US X-Authenticated-User: bclaise X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.55.221.38, ams-bclaise-nitro5.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-4.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 10:26:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5C820EBACA6D733BF02502AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Martin and Radek, What would the new errata text stipulate? Regards, Benoit > > Dne 17. 03. 20 v 17:48 Martin Björklund napsal(a): >> Hi, >> >> Some background: >> >> Some types in YANG can be restricted, e.g., an int32 can have a range >> restriction, a string can have a length restriction etc. When a type >> A is restricted in this way, the new type B's value space is a subset >> of A's value space. >> >> Some types cannot be restricted, i.e., their value space cannot be >> altered (e.g., "boolean"). >> >> Some other types need substatements to properly define the value >> space, e.g., an "enumeration" needs a set of "enum" statements and a >> "decimal64" needs a "fraction-digits". >> >> The only way to expand the value space is to use type "union". >> >> So in all cases, the derived type's value space is a subset of its >> base type's value space. >> >> Now, for instance-identifier and leafref, the "require-instance" is a >> bit weird. It is called a "restriction" but it isn't really a >> restriction, since it doesn't change the value space. If it is set to >> "true" it defines a constraint that must be true in valid data. >> >> Radek Krejci wrote: >>> Also >>> please compare with the text in 9.4.4 (length) or 9.2.4 (range) where >>> the derived types are explicitly mentioned in case the statement is >>> meant to be allowed there. The specification is not supposed to >>> explicitly state where it IS NOT allowed, instead it specifies where it >>> IS allowed. >> Agreed. >> >>> By your interpretation, require-instance would be allowed >>> even in integer types since it is not explicitly denied. >> I don't think this is the logical interpretation. Suppose we have >> two types "foo" and "bar": >> >> typedef foo { >> type leafref { >> path "..."; >> } >> } >> >> typedef bar { >> type int32; >> } >> >> >> It makes (some) logical sense to say that "foo" is a "leafref", and >> hence it would be legal according to 9.9.3 to use "require-instance" in >> "foo". >> >> But it does not make logical sense to say that "bar" is a "leafref", >> and hence 9.9.3 doesn't make it legal to use "require-instance" in >> "bar". >> >> I don't remember the original intention, but obviously people have >> interpreted the text in 9.9.3 in different ways, which indicates that >> it is wrong and should be fixed. However, I don't think either >> interpretation is obviously correct. Thus, I think that we cannot >> state that the usage of "require-instance" in >> ietf-subscribed-notification is wrong. > so, you are saying that despite formulations in 9.9.3 and e.g. 9.2.4 are > different, their meaning is the same? So the "require-instance" can be > used in types derived from instance-identifier and leafref? I'm afraid > that then it is not about different interpretations, but the text simply > misses the part about derived types and errata are required. > > Radek > > > >> /martin >> >> >> >> >>> Regards, >>> Radek >>> >>> >>>> Intentions about the pattern of the text are speculation. The text says it MAY be there. So unless an errata is filed, it is allowed. IMHO if that is the intention we would need an explicit sentence like: >>>> "Usage of require-instance is not allowed for derived types." >>>> I don't have a strict view on which was the intention (maybe Martin has) but the text is unambiguous to me. >>>> Regards Balazs >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Michal Vaško >>>> Sent: 2020. március 13., péntek 10:04 >>>> To: Balázs Lengyel >>>> Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani ; netconf@ietf.org; yang-doctors@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem [was: RE: WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11] >>>> >>>> Hi Balazs, >>>> just to explain libyang behavior, if you look at (pattern ) definition, there is explicitly mentioned that it can appear in derived types. There is no such wording for (require-instance ), it mentions only "instance-identifier" and "leafref" types. >>>> >>>> Also, libyang does not allow loading invalid schemas so even if you only import it, it will fail. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Michal >>>> >>>> On Friday, March 13, 2020 09:55 CET, Balázs Lengyel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Mahesh, >>>>> >>>>> Even if there is some problem with ietf-subscribed-notification how does that effect the validity of instance data for ietf-system-capabilities or ietf-notification-capabilities ? I only import a type and a feature from Yangpush (which imports subscribed notification). These seem nothing to do with require-instance. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Aside from my draft: >>>>> >>>>> I do not understand some of libyangs statements: >>>>> >>>>> “as it turned out (ref ), you cannot put require-instance into a derived type”. >>>>> >>>>> Checking ref I did not find why you cannot put require instance into a typedef. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> By the way I have bigger issues with YangValidator. When I load ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> RecursionError at /yangvalidator/validator >>>>> >>>>> maximum recursion depth exceeded >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Request Method: >>>>> >>>>> POST >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Request URL: >>>>> >>>>> https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=6cc7e6c7-3013efa1-6cc7a65c-8610d8a762ca-0a278d65531d4f4f&q=1&e=b7200729-5cfb-4d52-b459-737457b266e0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yangvalidator.com%2Fyangvalidator%2Fvalidator >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Django Version: >>>>> >>>>> 3.0.4 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Exception Type: >>>>> >>>>> RecursionError >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Exception Value: >>>>> >>>>> maximum recursion depth exceeded >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Exception Location: >>>>> >>>>> /home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.egg/pyang/statements.py in newf, line 42 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Python Executable: >>>>> >>>>> /usr/sbin/uwsgi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Python Version: >>>>> >>>>> 3.6.10 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Python Path: >>>>> >>>>> ['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.egg/pyang/transforms', >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards Balazs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Mahesh Jethanandani >>>>> Sent: 2020. március 12., csütörtök 22:28 >>>>> To: Balázs Lengyel >>>>> Cc: Kent Watsen ; netconf@ietf.org; yang-doctors@ietf.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [Adding yang-doctors] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Balazs, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Balázs Lengyel > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated? >>>>> >>>>> BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I bring this up because I ran into issues when validating the https-notif model using ietf-subscribed-notification module, something that you also import. Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to validate your example. In this case, I named your example as examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml >>>>> >>>>> err : Invalid keyword "require-instance". >>>>> >>>>> err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. >>>>> >>>>> err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into "ietf-yang-push" failed. >>>>> >>>>> err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. >>>>> >>>>> err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed. >>>>> >>>>> err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, because just like you I used confd and it did not complain. But folks over at libyang tell me that this was discussed as part of their issue #881 and the conclusion was that you cannot put require-instance in a derived type based on this text. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or confd/RFC8639? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In case anyone is wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications module is being imported, here it is: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bash-3.2$ ls ..../iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> BTW, even if I comment out the ‘require-instance’ statement, yanglint complains about other issues with ietf-subscribed-notifications, which I will bring up in a separate thread. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mahesh Jethanandani >>>>> >>>>> mjethanandani@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> netconf mailing list >>>> netconf@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --------------5C820EBACA6D733BF02502AB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks Martin and Radek,

What would the new errata text stipulate?

Regards, Benoit

Dne 17. 03. 20 v 17:48 Martin Björklund napsal(a):

Hi,

Some background:

Some types in YANG can be restricted, e.g., an int32 can have a range
restriction, a string can have a length restriction etc.  When a type
A is restricted in this way, the new type B's value space is a subset
of A's value space.

Some types cannot be restricted, i.e., their value space cannot be
altered (e.g., "boolean").

Some other types need substatements to properly define the value
space, e.g., an "enumeration" needs a set of "enum" statements and a
"decimal64" needs a "fraction-digits".

The only way to expand the value space is to use type "union".

So in all cases, the derived type's value space is a subset of its
base type's value space.

Now, for instance-identifier and leafref, the "require-instance" is a
bit weird.  It is called a "restriction" but it isn't really a
restriction, since it doesn't change the value space.  If it is set to
"true" it defines a constraint that must be true in valid data.

Radek Krejci <rkrejci@cesnet.cz> wrote:

Also
please compare with the text in 9.4.4 (length) or 9.2.4 (range) where
the derived types are explicitly mentioned in case the statement is
meant to be allowed there. The specification is not supposed to
explicitly state where it IS NOT allowed, instead it specifies where it
IS allowed.

Agreed.


By your interpretation, require-instance would be allowed
even in integer types since it is not explicitly denied.

I don't think this is the logical interpretation.  Suppose we have
two types "foo" and "bar":

   typedef foo {
     type leafref {
       path "...";
     }
   }

   typedef bar {
     type int32;
   }


It makes (some) logical sense to say that "foo" is a "leafref", and
hence it would be legal according to 9.9.3 to use "require-instance" in
"foo".

But it does not make logical sense to say that "bar" is a "leafref",
and hence 9.9.3 doesn't make it legal to use "require-instance" in
"bar".

I don't remember the original intention, but obviously people have
interpreted the text in 9.9.3 in different ways, which indicates that
it is wrong and should be fixed.  However, I don't think either
interpretation is obviously correct.  Thus, I think that we cannot
state that the usage of "require-instance" in
ietf-subscribed-notification is wrong.

so, you are saying that despite formulations in 9.9.3 and e.g. 9.2.4 are
different, their meaning is the same? So the "require-instance" can be
used in types derived from instance-identifier and leafref? I'm afraid
that then it is not about different interpretations, but the text simply
misses the part about derived types and errata are required.

Radek




/martin





Regards,
Radek



 Intentions about the pattern of the text are speculation. The text says it MAY be there. So unless an errata is filed, it is allowed. IMHO if that is the intention we would need an explicit sentence like:
"Usage of require-instance is not allowed for derived types."
I don't have a strict view on which was the intention (maybe Martin has) but the text is unambiguous to me.
Regards Balazs

-----Original Message-----
From: Michal Vaško <mvasko@cesnet.cz> 
Sent: 2020. március 13., péntek 10:04
To: Balázs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com>; netconf@ietf.org; yang-doctors@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem [was: RE: WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11]

Hi Balazs,
just to explain libyang behavior, if you look at (pattern <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.4.5> ) definition, there is explicitly mentioned that it can appear in derived types. There is no such wording for (require-instance <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9..9.3> ), it mentions only "instance-identifier" and "leafref" types.

Also, libyang does not allow loading invalid schemas so even if you only import it, it will fail.

Regards,
Michal

On Friday, March 13, 2020 09:55 CET, Balázs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: 
 

Hello Mahesh,

Even if there is some problem with ietf-subscribed-notification how does that effect the validity of instance data for ietf-system-capabilities or ietf-notification-capabilities ? I only import a type and a feature from Yangpush (which imports subscribed notification). These seem nothing to do with require-instance.

 

Aside from my draft:

I do not understand some of libyangs statements:  

“as it turned out (ref <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.9.3> ), you cannot put require-instance into a derived type”. 

Checking ref I did not find why you cannot put require instance into a typedef.

 

By the way I have bigger issues with YangValidator. When I load ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get 

 

RecursionError at /yangvalidator/validator

maximum recursion depth exceeded


Request Method:

POST


Request URL:

https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=6cc7e6c7-3013efa1-6cc7a65c-8610d8a762ca-0a278d65531d4f4f&q=1&e=b7200729-5cfb-4d52-b459-737457b266e0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yangvalidator.com%2Fyangvalidator%2Fvalidator


Django Version:

3.0.4


Exception Type:

RecursionError


Exception Value:

maximum recursion depth exceeded


Exception Location:

/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.egg/pyang/statements.py in newf, line 42


Python Executable:

/usr/sbin/uwsgi


Python Version:

3.6.10


Python Path:

['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.egg/pyang/transforms',

 

Regards Balazs

 

From: Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com> 
Sent: 2020. március 12., csütörtök 22:28
To: Balázs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net>; netconf@ietf.org; yang-doctors@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11

 

[Adding yang-doctors]

 

Hi Balazs,

 

 

On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Balázs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> > wrote:

 

Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated?

BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server.

 

I bring this up because I ran into issues when validating the https-notif model using ietf-subscribed-notification module, something that you also import. Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to validate your example. In this case, I named your example as examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml.

 

bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang <mailto:ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang>  ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang <mailto:ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang>  examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml 

err : Invalid keyword "require-instance".

err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed.

err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into "ietf-yang-push" failed.

err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed.

err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed.

err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed.

 

At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, because just like you I used confd and it did not complain. But folks over at libyang tell me that this was discussed as part of their issue  #881 <https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=a6420c80-fa9605e6-a6424c1b-8610d8a762ca-d6cddc5edf1151a7&q=1&e=3cd8e8af-8aea-4f96-939b-8e1e455eac74&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FCESNET%2Flibyang%2Fissues%2F881>  and the conclusion was that you cannot put require-instance in a derived type based on this <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.9.3>  text.

 

Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or confd/RFC8639?

 

In case anyone is wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications module is being imported, here it is:

 

bash-3.2$ ls ..../iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang <mailto:iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang> 

 

Cheers.

 

BTW, even if I comment out the ‘require-instance’ statement, yanglint complains about other issues with ietf-subscribed-notifications, which I will bring up in a separate thread.

 

Mahesh Jethanandani

mjethanandani@gmail.com <mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com> 

 

 

 


 
 


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Hello,

As a part = outsider in RestConf, I would like to ask what is the difference between = YANG Patch (rfc8072) and JSON Patch (rfc6902)?

Regards Balazs

 

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Message-Id: <24D80F23-FF46-41D7-8784-5767ABD74383@tail-f.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7565B2B4-4B74-4E6A-91C7-E63A1F83CD02" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.60.0.2.5\)) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:57:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" To: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] JSON-Patch versus YANG-Patch comparison X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:57:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7565B2B4-4B74-4E6A-91C7-E63A1F83CD02 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Bal=C3=A1sz, > As a part outsider in RestConf, I would like to ask what is the = difference between YANG Patch (rfc8072) and JSON Patch (rfc6902)?=20 Observed from a sufficiently high level, they do more or less the same = thing. When you get into the details, the differences quickly become = apparent. In YANG-Patch the set of operations match exactly those you = are used to from the NETCONF world. The path encoding (including XML = namespaces) is NETCONF style. The values are encoded as you would expect = from the YANG-JSON mapping. /jan --Apple-Mail=_7565B2B4-4B74-4E6A-91C7-E63A1F83CD02 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Bal=C3=A1sz,

As a part = outsider in RestConf, I would like to ask what is the difference between = YANG Patch (rfc8072) and JSON Patch (rfc6902)? 

Observed from a sufficiently high = level, they do more or less the same thing. When you get into the = details, the differences quickly become apparent. In YANG-Patch the set = of operations match exactly those you are used to from the NETCONF = world. The path encoding (including XML namespaces) is NETCONF style. = The values are encoded as you would expect from the YANG-JSON = mapping.

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Regards Balazs =20 From: Jan Lindblad =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 23., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 15:58 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Cc: netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netconf] JSON-Patch versus YANG-Patch comparison =20 Bal=C3=A1sz, =20 As a part outsider in RestConf, I would like to ask what is the = difference between YANG Patch (rfc8072) and JSON Patch (rfc6902)?=20 =20 Observed from a sufficiently high level, they do more or less the same = thing. When you get into the details, the differences quickly become = apparent. In YANG-Patch the set of operations match exactly those you = are used to from the NETCONF world. The path encoding (including XML = namespaces) is NETCONF style. The values are encoded as you would expect = from the YANG-JSON mapping. =20 /jan =20 ------=_NextPart_001_01B9_01D60132.9ABB5850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So we just wanted a nicer format for the same = functionality?

Regards = Balazs

 

From: Jan Lindblad = <janl@tail-f.com>
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 23., = h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 15:58
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: = netconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netconf] JSON-Patch versus = YANG-Patch comparison

 

Bal=C3=A1sz,

 

As a part outsider in RestConf, I would like to ask = what is the difference between YANG Patch (rfc8072) and JSON Patch = (rfc6902)? 

 

Observed from a sufficiently high level, they do more = or less the same thing. When you get into the details, the differences = quickly become apparent. In YANG-Patch the set of operations match = exactly those you are used to from the NETCONF world. The path encoding = (including XML namespaces) is NETCONF style. The values are encoded as = you would expect from the YANG-JSON mapping.

 

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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006f8f9f05a187a186" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] JSON-Patch versus YANG-Patch comparison X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:53:33 -0000 --0000000000006f8f9f05a187a186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:47 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote: > So we just wanted a nicer format for the same functionality? > If you believe that patching a JSON instance document is exactly the same a= s patching a NETCONF datastore, then yes, this is the same functionality. > Regards Balazs > Andy > > > *From:* Jan Lindblad > *Sent:* 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 23., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 15:58 > *To:* Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > *Cc:* netconf@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [netconf] JSON-Patch versus YANG-Patch comparison > > > > Bal=C3=A1sz, > > > > As a part outsider in RestConf, I would like to ask what is the differenc= e > between YANG Patch (rfc8072) and JSON Patch (rfc6902)? > > > > Observed from a sufficiently high level, they do more or less the same > thing. When you get into the details, the differences quickly become > apparent. In YANG-Patch the set of operations match exactly those you are > used to from the NETCONF world. The path encoding (including XML > namespaces) is NETCONF style. The values are encoded as you would expect > from the YANG-JSON mapping. > > > > /jan > > > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > --0000000000006f8f9f05a187a186 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:47 AM Bal= =C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

So we just wanted a nicer format for the same functionality?=


If you believe that patchi= ng a JSON instance document is exactly the same as
patching a NET= CONF datastore, then yes, this is the same functionality.

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Regards Balazs


Andy
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From: Jan L= indblad <janl@tail-= f.com>
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Subject: Re: [netconf] JSON-Patch versus YANG-Patch comparis= on

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Bal=C3=A1sz,

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As a part ou= tsider in RestConf, I would like to ask what is the difference between YANG= Patch (rfc8072) and JSON Patch (rfc6902)?=C2=A0=

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Observed from a sufficiently high l= evel, they do more or less the same thing. When you get into the details, t= he differences quickly become apparent. In YANG-Patch the set of operations= match exactly those you are used to from the NETCONF world. The path encod= ing (including XML namespaces) is NETCONF style. The values are encoded as = you would expect from the YANG-JSON mapping.

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This request requires approval by the Area Director of the Operations and Management Area The meeting can be approved here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim/request/interim-2020-netconf-01 --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Network Configuration Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Mahesh Jethanandani Meeting Type: Virtual Meeting Session 1: Date: 2020-04-06 Start Time: 08:00 America/Los_Angeles Duration: 02:00 Remote Participation Information: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m683e06fe29b0582d35985946f168a138 Agenda Note: --------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ netconf mailing list netconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --_002_FDDA32A2595B4E23BC4448879DB67A2Eciscocom_-- From nobody Wed Mar 25 10:28:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4153A09E1 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:28:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.887 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xi_FLU9F-9_W for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yb1-xb31.google.com (mail-yb1-xb31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 293073A0946 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yb1-xb31.google.com with SMTP id 11so1591381ybj.11 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:28:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hdNmH0u3MoHBNZYMBzmLsBGtbwBJtDFJi7+Rvg5qdOw=; b=sxIthoGrd7LlROtZSGXSS1FT/XMY1hk6AsSA3FvG6HiQYiIRL4i2Z8zRAYnTpeW+2B jCx9jM0GTlDn5ke8xf9HwWoSPlqj/j2T2gdXm9Wjela29act7SPzqjtLpFdtUJ8bjfCs 0IurlgKStEv6ZKQ7TpozcEn2mcBRDepI5znYc7HxcqaI05RBMiDEbAsNOL/pCp8HQHV6 mpwO/uZ2AUdLokqYkph7wZeyxx8W8elwsaqC5CQHb9+E+gUqqGzj5RiAdhJuCutryXmj +fN7iWSFhlDuOUGn4opdNOqHF/dy/O5kOBcSHtHs6k3ThNtpFGljPbPPiZhK7LbERBb4 t1dg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hdNmH0u3MoHBNZYMBzmLsBGtbwBJtDFJi7+Rvg5qdOw=; b=DSlAao9xY8MjxBbR/VrIUxx6/3B0Qlybq6D4FjdCrvsOJwTT8CagispIrN3jN1/xQw OgMWDeteY/pQQjpG9yxE0DbkdtlgCG8DsoChbMV5s2CyZQNyljGgixwM0WbKwLXfbbnL YhVKs7GOQYoFhNPvc2MdFhhoeQ6L79jpl3dPFyKvlFIwCXAv44mACqD23s0ePW373jqm fodhOflTk6EylNOHzkLTsyPDc9v9atma9mP05S+ZJK/X87GbG5Tov80uhnhWvZXU/zII Sg92j0HyCQskTU05SJOaZgTzz57GWLkv/H1p8fm94YSNYy0h8QcXRJHMno7hVGNXnHSN myOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ27d4OB42RfR8uxvrxPoRqAs2ghgHolV9fDE/VFzkHYgQ8hceSi ZJkFQa0Yq4Mgx6oFUWZU+S/PWmgv4uEJdTmbWDoxpw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vv1Rg0HgmD9zYN9SY/DVzcjPU+r3ivIxXbYT07fnGL/+mf3Dc5GaruodLyw7XFhbeu/7hf2RqIQRyC3LRme1BE= X-Received: by 2002:a25:7208:: with SMTP id n8mr7981340ybc.234.1585157305032; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:28:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <24D80F23-FF46-41D7-8784-5767ABD74383@tail-f.com> In-Reply-To: <24D80F23-FF46-41D7-8784-5767ABD74383@tail-f.com> From: Andy Bierman Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:28:12 -0700 Message-ID: To: Jan Lindblad Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= , "netconf@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000014714805a1b1324f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] JSON-Patch versus YANG-Patch comparison X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:28:28 -0000 --00000000000014714805a1b1324f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:58 AM Jan Lindblad wrote: > Bal=C3=A1sz, > > As a part outsider in RestConf, I would like to ask what is the differenc= e > between YANG Patch (rfc8072) and JSON Patch (rfc6902)? > > > Observed from a sufficiently high level, they do more or less the same > thing. When you get into the details, the differences quickly become > apparent. In YANG-Patch the set of operations match exactly those you are > used to from the NETCONF world. The path encoding (including XML > namespaces) is NETCONF style. The values are encoded as you would expect > from the YANG-JSON mapping. > > We looked at JSON Patch when YANG Patch was being designed, but it was not seriously considered for 2 reasons: 1) YANG is intended to be encoding-independent and we already had XML to support The solution could not be JSON-specific 2) YANG identifies multiple instances of the same schema node with key leafs. This provides predictable stable instance naming which is critical for network management. JSON has packed arrays for which there is an integer index. If an entry is inserted or removed then the instances renumber to keep the array packed. Andy /jan > > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > --00000000000014714805a1b1324f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:58 AM Jan L= indblad <janl@tail-f.com> wrot= e:
Bal=C3=A1sz,

As a part outs= ider in RestConf, I would like to ask what is the difference between YANG P= atch (rfc8072) and JSON Patch (rfc6902)?=C2=A0

Observed from a sufficiently high level,= they do more or less the same thing. When you get into the details, the di= fferences quickly become apparent. In YANG-Patch the set of operations matc= h exactly those you are used to from the NETCONF world. The path encoding (= including XML namespaces) is NETCONF style. The values are encoded as you w= ould expect from the YANG-JSON mapping.



We looked at JSON Patch = when YANG Patch was being designed, but it was not seriously considered
for 2 reasons:

1) YANG is intended to be en= coding-independent and we already had XML to support
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0The solution could not be JSON-specific

= 2) YANG identifies multiple instances of the same schema node with key leaf= s.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This provides predictable stable instance naming= which is critical for network management.=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 JS= ON has packed arrays for which there is an integer index. If an entry is in= serted or removed
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 then the instances renumber to ke= ep the array packed.

Andy

/jan

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Hello,


There was an issue with yangvalidator that was recently fixed

When I load ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get

 
= RecursionError at /yangvalidator/validator
maximum recursion depth exceeded
Request Met= hod:
POST
Request URL= :
Django Vers= ion:
3.0.4
Exception T= ype:
RecursionError
Exception V= alue:
maximum recursion depth exceeded
Exception L= ocation:
/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packa= ges/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.egg/pyang/statements.py in newf, line 42
Python Exec= utable:
/usr/sbin/uwsgi
Python Vers= ion:
3.6.10
Python Path= :
['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-pac= kages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.egg/pyang/transforms',



Regards,

Miroslav Kovac

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> > Regards, Benoit >> Dne 17. 03. 20 v 17:48 Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund napsal(a): >>> Hi, >>> >>> Some background: >>> >>> Some types in YANG can be restricted, e.g., an int32 can have a range= >>> restriction, a string can have a length restriction etc. When a type= >>> A is restricted in this way, the new type B's value space is a subset= >>> of A's value space. >>> >>> Some types cannot be restricted, i.e., their value space cannot be >>> altered (e.g., "boolean"). >>> >>> Some other types need substatements to properly define the value >>> space, e.g., an "enumeration" needs a set of "enum" statements and a >>> "decimal64" needs a "fraction-digits". >>> >>> The only way to expand the value space is to use type "union". >>> >>> So in all cases, the derived type's value space is a subset of its >>> base type's value space. >>> >>> Now, for instance-identifier and leafref, the "require-instance" is a= >>> bit weird. It is called a "restriction" but it isn't really a >>> restriction, since it doesn't change the value space. If it is set t= o >>> "true" it defines a constraint that must be true in valid data. >>> >>> Radek Krejci wrote: >>>> Also >>>> please compare with the text in 9.4.4 (length) or 9.2.4 (range) wher= e >>>> the derived types are explicitly mentioned in case the statement is >>>> meant to be allowed there. The specification is not supposed to >>>> explicitly state where it IS NOT allowed, instead it specifies where= it >>>> IS allowed. >>> Agreed. >>> >>>> By your interpretation, require-instance would be allowed >>>> even in integer types since it is not explicitly denied. >>> I don't think this is the logical interpretation. Suppose we have >>> two types "foo" and "bar": >>> >>> typedef foo { >>> type leafref { >>> path "..."; >>> } >>> } >>> >>> typedef bar { >>> type int32; >>> } >>> >>> >>> It makes (some) logical sense to say that "foo" is a "leafref", and >>> hence it would be legal according to 9.9.3 to use "require-instance" = in >>> "foo". >>> >>> But it does not make logical sense to say that "bar" is a "leafref", >>> and hence 9.9.3 doesn't make it legal to use "require-instance" in >>> "bar". >>> >>> I don't remember the original intention, but obviously people have >>> interpreted the text in 9.9.3 in different ways, which indicates that= >>> it is wrong and should be fixed. However, I don't think either >>> interpretation is obviously correct. Thus, I think that we cannot >>> state that the usage of "require-instance" in >>> ietf-subscribed-notification is wrong. >> so, you are saying that despite formulations in 9.9.3 and e.g. 9.2.4 a= re >> different, their meaning is the same? So the "require-instance" can be= >> used in types derived from instance-identifier and leafref? I'm afraid= >> that then it is not about different interpretations, but the text simp= ly >> misses the part about derived types and errata are required. >> >> Radek >> >> >> >>> /martin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Radek >>>> >>>> >>>>> Intentions about the pattern of the text are speculation. The text= says it MAY be there. So unless an errata is filed, it is allowed. IMHO = if that is the intention we would need an explicit sentence like: >>>>> "Usage of require-instance is not allowed for derived types." >>>>> I don't have a strict view on which was the intention (maybe Martin= has) but the text is unambiguous to me. >>>>> Regards Balazs >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Michal Va=C5=A1ko =20 >>>>> Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 13., p=C3=A9ntek 10:04 >>>>> To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel >>>>> Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani ; netconf@ietf.org= ; yang-doctors@ietf.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem [was: RE: WGLC: dra= ft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11] >>>>> >>>>> Hi Balazs, >>>>> just to explain libyang behavior, if you look at (pattern ) definition, there is explici= tly mentioned that it can appear in derived types. There is no such wordi= ng for (require-instance ), it mentions only "instance-identifier" and "leafref" types. >>>>> >>>>> Also, libyang does not allow loading invalid schemas so even if you= only import it, it will fail. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Michal >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, March 13, 2020 09:55 CET, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote:=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>>> Hello Mahesh, >>>>>> >>>>>> Even if there is some problem with ietf-subscribed-notification ho= w does that effect the validity of instance data for ietf-system-capabili= ties or ietf-notification-capabilities ? I only import a type and a featu= re from Yangpush (which imports subscribed notification). These seem noth= ing to do with require-instance. >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> Aside from my draft: >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not understand some of libyangs statements: =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> =E2=80=9Cas it turned out (ref ), you cannot put require-instance into a derived type=E2= =80=9D.=20 >>>>>> >>>>>> Checking ref I did not find why you cannot put require instance in= to a typedef. >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> By the way I have bigger issues with YangValidator. When I load ie= tf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get=20 >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> RecursionError at /yangvalidator/validator >>>>>> >>>>>> maximum recursion depth exceeded >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Request Method: >>>>>> >>>>>> POST >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Request URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D6cc7e6c7-3013efa1-6cc7a65c= -8610d8a762ca-0a278d65531d4f4f&q=3D1&e=3Db7200729-5cfb-4d52-b459-737457b2= 66e0&u=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.yangvalidator.com%2Fyangvalidator%2Fvalidator >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Django Version: >>>>>> >>>>>> 3.0.4 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Exception Type: >>>>>> >>>>>> RecursionError >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Exception Value: >>>>>> >>>>>> maximum recursion depth exceeded >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Exception Location: >>>>>> >>>>>> /home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-p= y3.6.egg/pyang/statements.py in newf, line 42 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Python Executable: >>>>>> >>>>>> /usr/sbin/uwsgi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Python Version: >>>>>> >>>>>> 3.6.10 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Python Path: >>>>>> >>>>>> ['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1= -py3.6.egg/pyang/transforms', >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards Balazs >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Mahesh Jethanandani =20 >>>>>> Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 12., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 22:28 >>>>>> To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel >>>>>> Cc: Kent Watsen ; netconf@ietf.org; yang-doc= tors@ietf.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capab= ilities-11 >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> [Adding yang-doctors] >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Balazs, >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated? >>>>>> >>>>>> BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server. >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> I bring this up because I ran into issues when validating the http= s-notif model using ietf-subscribed-notification module, something that y= ou also import. Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to validate= your example. In this case, I named your example as examples-notificatio= n-capabilities-1.xml. >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p /Volumes/External/git/iana/yan= g-parameters/ ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-0= 9.yang examples-= notification-capabilities-1.xml=20 >>>>>> >>>>>> err : Invalid keyword "require-instance". >>>>>> >>>>>> err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. >>>>>> >>>>>> err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into "ietf-= yang-push" failed. >>>>>> >>>>>> err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. >>>>>> >>>>>> err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into "ietf-notification-ca= pabilities" failed. >>>>>> >>>>>> err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, because just like = you I used confd and it did not complain. But folks over at libyang tell = me that this was discussed as part of their issue #881 and the conclusion was t= hat you cannot put require-instance in a derived type based on this text. >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or confd/RFC8639? >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> In case anyone is wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications m= odule is being imported, here it is: >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> bash-3.2$ ls ..../iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notificatio= ns@2019-09-09.yang =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW, even if I comment out the =E2=80=98require-instance=E2=80=99 = statement, yanglint complains about other issues with ietf-subscribed-not= ifications, which I will bring up in a separate thread. >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> Mahesh Jethanandani >>>>>> >>>>>> mjethanandani@gmail.com =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> netconf mailing list >>>>> netconf@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> netconf mailing list >> netconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > --------------B7AE44D68094AD23320A20C4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Benoit,
I've just submitted errata (6031) with the text mentioning derived types.

Regards,
Radek
Dne 23. 03. 20 v 11:25 Benoit Claise napsal(a):
Thanks Martin and Radek,

 What would the new errata text stipulate?
Regards, Benoit
 
Dne 17. 03. 20 v 17:48 Mar=
tin Bj=C3=B6rklund napsal(a):

Hi,

Some background:

Some types in YANG can be restricted, e.g., an int32 can have a range
restriction, a string can have a length restriction etc.  When a type
A is restricted in this way, the new type B's value space is a subset
of A's value space.

Some types cannot be restricted, i.e., their value space cannot be
altered (e.g., "boolean").

Some other types need substatements to properly define the value
space, e.g., an "enumeration" needs a set of "enum" statements and a
"decimal64" needs a "fraction-digits".

The only way to expand the value space is to use type "union".

So in all cases, the derived type's value space is a subset of its
base type's value space.

Now, for instance-identifier and leafref, the "require-instance" is a
bit weird.  It is called a "restriction" but it isn't really a
restriction, since it doesn't change the value space.  If it is set to
"true" it defines a constraint that must be true in valid data.

Radek Krejci <rkrejci@cesnet.cz> wrote:

Also
please compare with the text in 9.4.4 (length) or 9.2.4 (range) where
the derived types are explicitly mentioned in case the statement is
meant to be allowed there. The specification is not supposed to
explicitly state where it IS NOT allowed, instead it specifies where it
IS allowed.

Agreed.


By your interpretation=
, require-instance would be allowed
even in integer types since it is not explicitly denied.

I don't think this is th=
e logical interpretation.  Suppose we have
two types "foo" and "bar":

   typedef foo {
     type leafref {
       path "...";
     }
   }

   typedef bar {
     type int32;
   }


It makes (some) logical sense to say that "foo" is a "leafref", and
hence it would be legal according to 9.9.3 to use "require-instance" in
"foo".

But it does not make logical sense to say that "bar" is a "leafref",
and hence 9.9.3 doesn't make it legal to use "require-instance" in
"bar".

I don't remember the original intention, but obviously people have
interpreted the text in 9.9.3 in different ways, which indicates that
it is wrong and should be fixed.  However, I don't think either
interpretation is obviously correct.  Thus, I think that we cannot
state that the usage of "require-instance" in
ietf-subscribed-notification is wrong.

so, you are saying that de=
spite formulations in 9.9.3 and e.g. 9.2.4 are
different, their meaning is the same? So the "require-instance" can be
used in types derived from instance-identifier and leafref? I'm afraid
that then it is not about different interpretations, but the text simply
misses the part about derived types and errata are required.

Radek




/martin





Regards,
Radek



 Intentions about th=
e pattern of the text are speculation. The text says it MAY be there. So =
unless an errata is filed, it is allowed. IMHO if that is the intention w=
e would need an explicit sentence like:
"Usage of require-instance is not allowed for derived types."
I don't have a strict view on which was the intention (maybe Martin has) =
but the text is unambiguous to me.
Regards Balazs

-----Original Message-----
From: Michal Va=C5=A1ko <mvasko@cesnet.cz> =

Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 13., p=C3=A9ntek 10:04
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=
@ericsson.com>
Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmai=
l.com>; netconf@ietf.org; yang-doctors@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem [was: RE: WGLC: draft-iet=
f-netconf-notification-capabilities-11]

Hi Balazs,
just to explain libyang behavior, if you look at (pattern <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#=
section-9.4.5> ) definition, there is explicitly mentioned that it=
 can appear in derived types. There is no such wording for (require-insta=
nce <https://tools.ietf=
=2Eorg/html/rfc7950#section-9..9.3> ), it mentions only "instance-=
identifier" and "leafref" types.

Also, libyang does not allow loading invalid schemas so even if you only =
import it, it will fail.

Regards,
Michal

On Friday, March 13, 2020 09:55 CET, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dma=
rc.ietf.org> wrote:=20
=20

Hello Mahesh,

Even if there is some problem with ietf-subscribed-notification how does =
that effect the validity of instance data for ietf-system-capabilities or=
 ietf-notification-capabilities ? I only import a type and a feature from=
 Yangpush (which imports subscribed notification). These seem nothing to =
do with require-instance.

=20

Aside from my draft:

I do not understand some of libyangs statements: =20

=E2=80=9Cas it turned out (ref <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.9.3> ), you =
cannot put require-instance into a derived type=E2=80=9D.=20

Checking ref I did not find why you cannot put require instance into a ty=
pedef.

=20

By the way I have bigger issues with YangValidator. When I load ietf-syst=
em-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get=20

=20

RecursionError at /yangvalidator/validator

maximum recursion depth exceeded


Request Method:

POST


Request URL:

ht=
tps://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D6cc7e6c7-3013efa1-6cc7a65c-8610d8a7=
62ca-0a278d65531d4f4f&q=3D1&e=3Db7200729-5cfb-4d52-b459-737457b26=
6e0&u=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.yangvalidator.com%2Fyangvalidator%2Fvalidato=
r


Django Version:

3.0.4


Exception Type:

RecursionError


Exception Value:

maximum recursion depth exceeded


Exception Location:

/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.eg=
g/pyang/statements.py in newf, line 42


Python Executable:

/usr/sbin/uwsgi


Python Version:

3.6.10


Python Path:

['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.=
egg/pyang/transforms',

=20

Regards Balazs

=20

From: Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gm=
ail.com>=20
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 12., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 22:28
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=
@ericsson.com>
Cc: Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net>;=
 netconf@ietf.org; yang-doctors@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities=
-11

=20

[Adding yang-doctors]

=20

Hi Balazs,

=20

=20

On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> > wrote:

=20

Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated?

BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server.

=20

I bring this up because I ran into issues when validating the https-notif=
 model using ietf-subscribed-notification module, something that you also=
 import. Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to validate your e=
xample. In this case, I named your example as examples-notification-capab=
ilities-1.xml.

=20

bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-param=
eters/ ietf-system-capabil=
ities@2020-03-08.yang <=
;mailto:ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang>  ietf-notification-capabilities@2020=
-03-09.yang <mai=
lto:ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang>  examples-noti=
fication-capabilities-1.xml=20

err : Invalid keyword "require-instance".

err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed.

err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into "ietf-yang-pu=
sh" failed.

err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed.

err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into "ietf-notification-capabilit=
ies" failed.

err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed.

=20

At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, because just like you I u=
sed confd and it did not complain. But folks over at libyang tell me that=
 this was discussed as part of their issue  #881 <https://protect2.fireeye=
=2Ecom/v1/url?k=3Da6420c80-fa9605e6-a6424c1b-8610d8a762ca-d6cddc5edf1151a=
7&q=3D1&e=3D3cd8e8af-8aea-4f96-939b-8e1e455eac74&u=3Dhttps%3A=
%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FCESNET%2Flibyang%2Fissues%2F881>  and the concl=
usion was that you cannot put require-instance in a derived type based on=
 this <https://tools.iet=
f.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.9.3>  text.

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Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or confd/RFC8639?

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In case anyone is wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications module i=
s being imported, here it is:

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bash-3.2$ ls ..../iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019=
-09-09.yang <mailto:iana/yang-parameters/ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019=
-09-09.yang>=20

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Cheers.

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BTW, even if I comment out the =E2=80=98require-instance=E2=80=99 stateme=
nt, yanglint complains about other issues with ietf-subscribed-notificati=
ons, which I will bring up in a separate thread.

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Mahesh Jethanandani

mjethanandani@gmail.com <mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com>=20

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Abstract: This document proposes a YANG module that provides per-node capabilities for optimum operational data collection. This YANG module augments the YANG Modules for describing System Capabilities and YANG-Push Notification capabilities. This module defines augmented nodes to publish the metadata information specific to YANG node-identifier as per ietf-system- capabilities datatree. Complementary RPCs, based on the same node capabilities, simplify the data collection operations. Regards, Munish, Adithya, Benoit -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection-00.txt Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 09:35:31 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Munish Nayyar , Adithya Sesani , Benoit Claise , Adithya Reddy Sesani A new version of I-D, draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Benoit Claise and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection Revision: 00 Title: Per-Node Capabilities for Optimum Operational Data Collection Document date: 2020-03-30 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 23 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection Abstract: This document proposes a YANG module that provides per-node capabilities for optimum operational data collection. This YANG module augments the YANG Modules for describing System Capabilities and YANG-Push Notification capabilities. This module defines augmented nodes to publish the metadata information specific to YANG node-identifier as per ietf-system- capabilities datatree. Complementary RPCs, based on the same node capabilities, simplify the data collection oeprations. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat . --------------F34D12588A96F28FFC857B28 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

Here is a new draft on which we would appreciate your feedback.
Abstract:
This document proposes a YANG module that provides per-node
capabilities for optimum operational data collection. This YANG
module augments the YANG Modules for describing System Capabilities
and YANG-Push Notification capabilities.

This module defines augmented nodes to publish the metadata
information specific to YANG node-identifier as per ietf-system-
capabilities datatree.

Complementary RPCs, based on the same node capabilities, simplify the
data collection operations.

Regards, Munish, Adithya, Benoit


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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 09:35:31 -0700
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A new version of I-D, draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Benoit Claise and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection
Revision: 00
Title: Per-Node Capabilities for Optimum Operational Data Collection
Document date: 2020-03-30
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 23
URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection-00.txt
Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection/
Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection-00
Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection


Abstract:
This document proposes a YANG module that provides per-node
capabilities for optimum operational data collection. This YANG
module augments the YANG Modules for describing System Capabilities
and YANG-Push Notification capabilities.

This module defines augmented nodes to publish the metadata
information specific to YANG node-identifier as per ietf-system-
capabilities datatree.

Complementary RPCs, based on the same node capabilities, simplify the
data collection oeprations.



Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF Secretariat


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I am attaching a calendar invite that should adapt to your local > timezone. > > Mahesh & Kent (as co-chairs) > > > On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) > wrote: > > > > I see this has been scheduled from 0700-0900. The request was for > 0800-1000 (attached). > > I wanted to both: > > > > a) ask for confirmation from the chairs if 0700-0900 is in fact correct? > > b) call this out, for people like myself who may have blocked out > time previously based on the request > > > > Thanks, > > Charles > > > > On 3/24/20, 7:22 AM, "netconf on behalf of IESG Secretary" > wrote: > > > >    The Network Configuration (netconf) Working Group will hold > >    a virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-06 from 07:00 to 09:00 > America/Los_Angeles. > > > >    Agenda: > >    The agenda will be posted to the IETF website. > > > >    Information about remote participation: > > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m683e06fe29b0582d35985946f168a138 > > > >    _______________________________________________ > >    netconf mailing list > >    netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netconf mailing list > > netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --------------34B8A3E3E2056BCEFB7ED9FC Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Dear NETCONF chairs,

If there is still some room on the agenda, I would like to present:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection/
Regards, Benoit

Hi Charles,

We are confirming that the meeting is scheduled for April 6 at 7 a.m PDT. I am attaching a calendar invite that should adapt to your local timezone.

Mahesh & Kent (as co-chairs)

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <eckelcu=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
> I see this has been scheduled from 0700-0900. The request was for 0800-1000 (attached).
> I wanted to both:
>
> a) ask for confirmation from the chairs if 0700-0900 is in fact correct?
> b) call this out, for people like myself who may have blocked out time previously based on the request
>
> Thanks,
> Charles
>
> On 3/24/20, 7:22 AM, "netconf on behalf of IESG Secretary" <netconf-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of iesg-secretary@ietf.org> wrote:
>
>    The Network Configuration (netconf) Working Group will hold
>    a virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-06 from 07:00 to 09:00 America/Los_Angeles.
>
>    Agenda:
>    The agenda will be posted to the IETF website.
>
>    Information about remote participation:
>    https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m683e06fe29b0582d35985946f168a138
>
>    _______________________________________________
>    netconf mailing list
>    netconf@ietf.org
>    https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf
>
>
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--------------34B8A3E3E2056BCEFB7ED9FC-- From nobody Tue Mar 31 10:06:18 2020 Return-Path: <01000171318ecc8b-25d72cbe-b5b9-49d6-a262-8e89861ffe52-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1DE3A2480 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 10:06:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hZxSk4EOiF6r for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 10:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD1AF3A247F for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 10:06:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585674374; h=From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To:Feedback-ID; bh=jtc1Ci50xqM2/0zzCsVMtKjXBqonWGJvM5WYX8uHsRU=; b=XF6IxQN36/JK7YUrm7vY/3z/LnviH7RH9ahvHDPiVxIF3qxLmNvVoxyPxL1wuY7L IZbp+ztpf/8WWBCDPVeMgWhWjpvi5SSs9XF1s7E0yYBZ+XpGxiRn+F/9wuBGpVxt5z9 iE5FJYH94JsQ4dDMtIFJKVf3uksKwg1hRt+AyaWg= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5FF31DC2-84DF-4495-BF28-D41141195EAF" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-ID: <01000171318ecc8b-25d72cbe-b5b9-49d6-a262-8e89861ffe52-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:06:14 +0000 To: "netconf@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.31-54.240.8.33 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] Presenters! X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:06:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5FF31DC2-84DF-4495-BF28-D41141195EAF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Presenters, 1) Please send DRAFT slides to the chairs by EOB (EDT) Thursday. This is so the chairs can ensure that the slides are a) being worked = on and b) offer improvement suggestions. 2) Please send FINAL slides to the chairs by EOB (EDT) Friday. This is so they can be uploaded to material manager with sufficient = time before the meeting so that they may be reviewed by participants = before the meeting (this is especially important for our non-English native participants). 3) Please ensure that SLIDE NUMBERS are on each slide (w/ title slide = optional). For those that join only by phone can follow along. 4) Please send slides using the PowerPoint (PPTX or PPT) format. FWIW, we normally ask for PDF, but that preference was/is only to=20 workaround an in meeting-room Chromebook display issue... The goal is that the chairs will drive (screen share) the slides for the = entire=20 meeting. This is primarily to avoid any possible sharing issues that may = arise. Thanks, The NETCONF Chairs --Apple-Mail=_5FF31DC2-84DF-4495-BF28-D41141195EAF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Presenters,


1) Please send DRAFT slides to the = chairs by EOB (EDT) Thursday.

    This is so the chairs = can ensure that the slides are a) being worked on
    and b) offer = improvement suggestions.


2) Please send FINAL slides to = the chairs by EOB (EDT) Friday.

    This is so they can be uploaded = to material manager with sufficient time
    before the meeting so that they may = be reviewed by participants before
    the meeting (this is especially = important for our non-English native
    participants).


3) = Please ensure that SLIDE NUMBERS are on each slide (w/ title slide = optional).

    For those that join = only by phone can follow along.


4) Please send slides = using the PowerPoint (PPTX or PPT) format.

   FWIW, we normally ask for PDF, but that = preference was/is only to 
   workaround an = in meeting-room Chromebook display = issue...


The goal is that the chairs will = drive (screen share) the slides for the entire 
meeting. This is primarily to avoid any = possible sharing issues that may arise.


Thanks,
The NETCONF = Chairs

= --Apple-Mail=_5FF31DC2-84DF-4495-BF28-D41141195EAF-- From nobody Tue Mar 31 17:49:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27E83A0EA0 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:49:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SsWaTOQR9nm8 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDC673A0E9F for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 81AE8B7E2228EDD740E2 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2020 01:49:20 +0100 (IST) Received: from nkgeml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.153) by lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.487.0; Wed, 1 Apr 2020 01:49:20 +0100 Received: from nkgeml707-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.157) by nkgeml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Wed, 1 Apr 2020 08:49:17 +0800 Received: from nkgeml707-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.157]) by nkgeml707-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.157]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Wed, 1 Apr 2020 08:49:17 +0800 From: Tianran Zhou To: Kent Watsen , "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [netconf] Presenters! Thread-Index: AQHWB37Fu6sOeJH5rU+pelL/I/VLj6hjbszg Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 00:49:17 +0000 Message-ID: <1d5f040d3de942bc85e278759f2baa0e@huawei.com> References: <01000171318ecc8b-25d72cbe-b5b9-49d6-a262-8e89861ffe52-000000@email.amazonses.com> In-Reply-To: <01000171318ecc8b-25d72cbe-b5b9-49d6-a262-8e89861ffe52-000000@email.amazonses.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.203.216] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_1d5f040d3de942bc85e278759f2baa0ehuaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Presenters! X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 00:49:24 -0000 --_000_1d5f040d3de942bc85e278759f2baa0ehuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kent, Thanks for this remind. But I did not see the agenda posted, or did I miss = the email? At lease, this link is empty. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2020-netconf-01-netconf-01/ I want to see if our proposal (unyte) is already on the list. :) Best, Tianran From: netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kent Watsen Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:06 AM To: netconf@ietf.org Subject: [netconf] Presenters! Presenters, 1) Please send DRAFT slides to the chairs by EOB (EDT) Thursday. This is so the chairs can ensure that the slides are a) being worked on and b) offer improvement suggestions. 2) Please send FINAL slides to the chairs by EOB (EDT) Friday. This is so they can be uploaded to material manager with sufficient tim= e before the meeting so that they may be reviewed by participants before the meeting (this is especially important for our non-English native participants). 3) Please ensure that SLIDE NUMBERS are on each slide (w/ title slide optio= nal). For those that join only by phone can follow along. 4) Please send slides using the PowerPoint (PPTX or PPT) format. FWIW, we normally ask for PDF, but that preference was/is only to workaround an in meeting-room Chromebook display issue... The goal is that the chairs will drive (screen share) the slides for the en= tire meeting. This is primarily to avoid any possible sharing issues that may ar= ise. Thanks, The NETCONF Chairs --_000_1d5f040d3de942bc85e278759f2baa0ehuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Kent,

 

Thanks for this remind. But I did not= see the agenda posted, or did I miss the email?

At lease, this link is empty.

https://datatracker.ietf= .org/doc/agenda-interim-2020-netconf-01-netconf-01/

I want to see if our proposal (unyte)= is already on the list. J

 

Best,

Tianran

 

From: netconf [mailto:netconf-bounce= s@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kent Watsen
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 1:06 AM
To: netconf@ietf.org
Subject: [netconf] Presenters!

 

Presenters,


1) Please send DRAFT slides to the chairs by EOB (EDT) Thursday.



    This = is so the chairs can ensure that the slides are a) being worked on

    and b) off= er improvement suggestions.

 



2) Please send FINA= L slides to the chairs by EOB (EDT) Friday.


    This is so they can be uploaded to material manager= with sufficient time
    before the meeting so that they may be reviewed by = participants before
    the meeting (this is especially important for our n= on-English native
    participants).


3) Please ensure that SLIDE NUMBERS are on each slide (w/ title slide optio= nal).

    For those that join only by phone can follow along.=


4) Please send slides using the PowerPoint (PPTX or PPT) format.

   FWIW, we normally ask for PDF, but that preference w= as/is only to 

   workaround&= nbsp;an in meeting-room Chromebook display issue...



The goal is that the chairs will drive (screen share) the slides for the en= tire 

meeting. This is pr= imarily to avoid any possible sharing issues that may arise.



Thanks,
The NETCONF Chairs



--_000_1d5f040d3de942bc85e278759f2baa0ehuaweicom_-- From nobody Tue Mar 31 18:51:07 2020 Return-Path: <01000171336f3aca-2e45a389-23c7-49eb-8ff6-33e0af3ff249-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3033A0FCE for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 18:51:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yQysrJt4OnPo for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 18:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-83.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-83.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27E5F3A0FD0 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 18:51:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585705860; h=From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To:Feedback-ID; bh=FEUvXcFdI0G2UYjofItSl3FwTt/ImsR3YMurDS3vSk0=; b=Zz02dZkXyXdmIXEqDx82ZcAIjUoK3n1fW6hw9DUORvEqzE0FCkNgCiqD6J71D3nJ 1p3k+c/zq7SFpRA1WxrpIbCffHojm1F8sNDYOI2k03xVpAWlQFILamTKSdIyK1r1gAv XdZJpVGFeItJUUB0Mp9tp4DqteG3xQNyP6NkldnU= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-ID: <01000171336f3aca-2e45a389-23c7-49eb-8ff6-33e0af3ff249-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 01:51:00 +0000 To: "netconf@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.04.01-54.240.8.83 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] NETCONF 107 Agenda X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 01:51:05 -0000 Below is the draft agenda for the NETCONF 107 Virtual Meeting Also posted here: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2020-netconf-01-netconf-01= / Please let the chairs know if there are any issues. The NETCONF Chairs Agenda for the NETCONF 107 WG Session ------------------------------------- Session: Monday April 6th PDT: 07:00-09:00=20 EDT: 10:00-12:00 UTC: 14:00-16:00 CST: 22:00-00:00 WG Chairs: Mahesh Jethanandani (mjethanandani at gmail dot com) Kent Watsen (kent plus ietf at watsen dot net) Available During Session: ICS: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-netconf-01/sessions/netc= onf.ics Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-107-netconf Slides: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-netconf-01/session/netco= nf Jabber: xmpp:netconf@jabber.ietf.org?join JOIN BY WEBEX: URL: = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm683e06fe29b0582d35985946f168a138= Meeting number (access code): 612 328 094 Meeting password: EUh3WeggW83 JOIN BY PHONE 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) Tap here to call (mobile phones only, hosts not supported): tel:1-877-668-4493,,*01*612328094%23%23*01* 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Tap here to call (mobile phones only, hosts not supported): tel:%2B1-650-479-3208,,*01*612328094%23%23*01* Toll-free calling restrictions https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf JOIN FROM A VIDEO SYSTEM OR APPLICATION Dial sip:612328094@ietf.webex.com You can also dial 173.243.2.68 and enter your meeting number. 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Jabber Logs: https://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/netconf Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-107-netconf Slides: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-netconf-01/session/netco= nf =20 Introduction Chairs (10 minutes) Session Intro & WG Status Chartered items: Kent Watsen (20 min) Status and Issues on Client-Server Suite of Drafts https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-crypto-types-14 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-trust-anchors-09 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-keystore-16 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server-04 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server-18 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server-18 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-http-client-server-02 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server-18 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-client-server-18 Mahesh Jethanandani (10 min) An HTTPS-based Transport for Configured Subscriptions https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-02 Non-Chartered items: Jason Stern (10 min) YANG Module Version impact on the NETCONF/RESTCONF protocol =20 Tao Ran (10 min) Self-explanation Data Node Tag Capability = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netconf-notif-node-tag-capabilities-= 01 Qin Wu / Michale Wang (10 min) Bulk Subscription to YANG Event Notification = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-netconf-bulk-subscribed-notificatio= ns-01 Qin Wu / Tao Ran (10 min) Telemetry Data Export Capability = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netconf-data-export-capabilities-00 Qin Wu / Michale Wang (10 min) Adaptive Subscription to YANG Notification = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-00 Pierre Francois (10 min) Subscription to Multiple Stream Originators = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-unyte-netconf-multi-stream-originators-0= 0 Pierre Francois (10 min) UDP based Publication Channel for Streaming Telemetry https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-unyte-netconf-udp-pub-channel-00 Benoit Claise (10 min) Node Capabilities For Closed Loop Automation = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-claise-netconf-metadata-for-collection-0= 0