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Sat, 05 Feb 2022 06:18:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: kun xie Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 22:18:10 +0800 Message-ID: To: netconf@ietf.org Cc: mjethanandani@gmail.com, draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002558e705d7460a27" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Adoption call for draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 14:18:27 -0000 --0000000000002558e705d7460a27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi WG, Very useful work. I support this draft, we are working on implementation of this draft. Best Regards, Kun Xie Hunan University ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mahesh Jethanandani Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 6:07 AM To: Netconf > Cc: draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription@ietf.org Subject: [netconf] Adoption call for draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription Hi WG, The authors posted -08 version of the draft just before the new year, which addressed the comments they received in IETF 112. https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-08.txt This starts a 2 week poll ending on January 24, to decide whether this document should be made a WG document or not. Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption of this draft by the WG. Indications that the draft has been read will be also be appreciated. The Intended Status of the draft is Standards Track. A separate IPR call will be issued on the draft. Thanks. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --0000000000002558e705d7460a27 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi WG,

Very useful work.
I support this draft, = we are working on implementation of this draft.

Best Regards,
Kun= Xie
Hunan University

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Subject: [netconf] Adoption= call for draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription

Hi WG,

The= authors posted -08 version of the draft just before the new year, which ad= dressed the comments they received in IETF 112.

=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription= -08.txt

This starts a 2 week poll ending on January 24, to decid= e whether this document should be made a WG document or not. Please reply t= o this email whether or not you support adoption of this draft by the WG. I= ndications that the draft has been read will be also be appreciated. The In= tended Status of the draft is Standards Track.

A separate IPR call w= ill be issued on the draft.

Thanks.

Mahesh Jethanandani
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The full functionality of is not being proposed here. Here are a few technical issues to consider in your implementation. Hopefully it will help you refine the draft and address these issues. 1) use of watermark not clear It seems there is a "targeted data object" with a uint32 value that can be used to compare to this value to enable the XPath evaluation. There is nothing in YANG Push that mentions any targeted data object. It is not clear how this requirement is implemented (e.g. which instance of the targeted data object is compared, and how often?) In the example it appears there is a targeted data object: /example-wifi-network-diagnostic /wnd:example-wifi-network-diagnostic The watermark value "-65" does not seem to match the targeted data object. 2) Evaluation of xpath-external-eval not clear leaf xpath-external-eval { type string; description "A XPath string, representing a logical expression, which can contain comparisons of datastore values and logical operations in the XPath format."; } It is not clear at all how to evaluate the XPath expression. I assumed the context node=docroot and the server used the boolean() function (if needed) to convert the result to a true or false value. The draft says the targeted data node is the context node but the example shows an absolute-path expression. 3) XPath is not stateful (and therefore not very useful for this problem) The problem statement seems to be limited to absolute values of specific leaf or leaf-list data nodes. The example uses the raw value of the "rssi" leaf within the "server" list. The program logic used by a client application is rarely this simple. Usually at least a rate (e.g., two values retrieved at a known time interval) is needed. 4) XPath instance information needed (but not shown here) /wnd:server[rssi<-65] The example shows a node-set expression that will evaluate to 'true' if the one and only instance of the "rssi" leaf in the server container passes the predicate test. In any real use-case there will be list instances to handle. I do not see how it works if any list keys are needed. I guess you could limit the subscription so it never selected more than one list entry. 5) Multiple adaptive-period entries per subscription can conflict /wnd:server[rssi<-65] -65 5 /wnd:server[rssi>=-65] -65 60 The example shows one entry setting the period to 5 and the other setting it to 60. What if both expressions are true (in a real YANG module with list entries this is possible). Is there an expectation that the expressions will never overlap value-sets? How would the server enforce that? How often does the server check if the period should change? How does the server evaluate multiple expressions over a stable dataset? That seems very expensive to implement correctly. Andy Best Regards, > Kun Xie > Hunan University > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mahesh > Jethanandani > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 6:07 AM > To: Netconf > > Cc: draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription@ietf.org draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription@ietf.org> > Subject: [netconf] Adoption call for > draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription > > Hi WG, > > The authors posted -08 version of the draft just before the new year, > which addressed the comments they received in IETF 112. > > > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-08.txt > > This starts a 2 week poll ending on January 24, to decide whether this > document should be made a WG document or not. Please reply to this email > whether or not you support adoption of this draft by the WG. Indications > that the draft has been read will be also be appreciated. The Intended > Status of the draft is Standards Track. > > A separate IPR call will be issued on the draft. > > Thanks. > > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > --000000000000f76ae805d749d353 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 6:18 AM kun xi= e <cskxie@gmail.com> wrote:
= Hi WG,

Very useful work.
I support this draft, we are working on= implementation of this draft.


The problem statement seems to be that there is a need
to autom= atically change the "period" and "anchor-time" paramete= rs for a periodic datastore subscription.
The full functionality = of <modify-subscription> is not being proposed here.

Here are a few technical issues to consider in your implementation= .
Hopefully it will help you refine the draft and address these i= ssues.

1) use of watermark not clear=C2=A0

It seems there is a "targeted data object" with= a uint32 value that can be used
to compare to this value to enab= le the XPath evaluation.
There is nothing in YANG Push that menti= ons any targeted data object.
It is not clear how this requiremen= t is implemented (e.g. which instance
of the targeted data object= is compared, and how often?)

In the example it ap= pears there is a targeted data object:=C2=A0
/example-wifi-networ= k-diagnostic

     <yp:datastore-xpath-filter
      xmlns:wnd=3D"htt=
ps://example.com/sample-data/1.0">
             /wnd:example-wifi-network-diagnostic
     </yp:datastore-xpath-filter>
The watermark value= "-65" does not seem to match the targeted=C2=A0data object.
<= /div>

2) Evaluation of xpath-external-eval not clear

=
            leaf xpath-external-eval {
               type string;
               description
                 "A XPath string, representing a logical expression,
                  which can contain comparisons of datastore values
                  and logical operations in the XPath format.";
             }

It is not clear at all how to= evaluate the XPath expression.
I assumed the context node=3Ddocr= oot and the server used
the boolean() function (if needed) to con= vert the result to
a true or false value. The draft says the targ= eted data node
is the context node but the example shows an absol= ute-path expression.

3) XPath is not stateful (and= therefore not very useful for this problem)

The p= roblem statement seems to be limited to absolute values of specific leaf or= leaf-list
data nodes.=C2=A0 The example uses the raw value of th= e "rssi" leaf within the "server" list.
The p= rogram logic used by a client application is rarely this simple.
= Usually at least a rate (e.g., two values retrieved at a known time interva= l) is needed.

4) XPath instance information needed= (but not shown here)

     /wnd:server[rssi&lt;-65]
=
The example shows a node-set expression that will evaluate= =C2=A0to 'true'
if the one and only instance of the "= ;rssi" leaf in the server container
passes the predicate tes= t.=C2=A0

In any real use-case there will be list i= nstances to handle.
I do not see how it works if any list keys ar= e needed.
I guess you could limit the subscription so it never se= lected
more than one list entry.



5) Multiple adaptive-period entries per subscription= can conflict
     <as:adaptive-subscriptions
      xmlns:as=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-adaptive-subscripti=
on">
      <as:adaptive-period>
       <as:xpath-external-eval>
             /wnd:server[rssi&lt;-65]
      </as:xpath-external-eval>
      <as:watermark>-65</as:watermark>
       <as:period>5</as:period>
      </as:adaptive-period>
      <as:adaptive-period>
       <as:xpath-external-eval>
             /wnd:server[rssi&gt;=3D-65]
          </as:xpath-external-eval>
       <as:watermark>-65</as:watermark>
       <as:period>60</as:period>
      </as:adaptive-period>
     </as:adaptive-subscriptions>

The = example shows one entry setting the period to 5 and the other
set= ting it to 60.=C2=A0 What if both expressions are true (in a real YANG modu= le
with list entries this is possible). Is there an expectation t= hat the
expressions will never overlap value-sets?=C2=A0 How woul= d the
server enforce that?

How often doe= s the server check if the period should change?
How does the serv= er evaluate multiple expressions over a stable dataset?=C2=A0
Tha= t seems very expensive to implement correctly.

Andy



Best Regards,Kun Xie
Hunan University

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From: netconf [m= ailto:netconf= -bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mahesh Jethanandani
Sent: Tuesday, J= anuary 11, 2022 6:07 AM
To: Netconf <netconf@ietf.org<mailto:netconf@ietf.org>>
Cc: draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription@ietf.org<mailto:draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription@ietf.org>
Subject:= [netconf] Adoption call for draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription
Hi WG,

The authors posted -08 version of the draft just before the= new year, which addressed the comments they received in IETF 112.

= =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/dr= aft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-08.txt

This starts a 2 we= ek poll ending on January 24, to decide whether this document should be mad= e a WG document or not. Please reply to this email whether or not you suppo= rt adoption of this draft by the WG. Indications that the draft has been re= ad will be also be appreciated. The Intended Status of the draft is Standar= ds Track.

A separate IPR call will be issued on the draft.

Th= anks.

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com<mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com&g= t;
_______________________________________________
netconf mailing list
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I think this work can be used in many data collection = scenarios to make it more efficient and support the adoption = call.

 

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From: netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Mahesh Jethanandani
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 6:07 = AM
To: Netconf <netconf@ietf.org<mailto:netconf@ietf.org>>
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Subject: [netconf] = Adoption call for draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription

Hi = WG,

The authors posted -08 version of the draft just before the = new year, which addressed the comments they received in IETF = 112.

 https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-netconf-adapti= ve-subscription-08.txt

This starts a 2 week poll ending on = January 24, to decide whether this document should be made a WG document = or not. Please reply to this email whether or not you support adoption = of this draft by the WG. Indications that the draft has been read will = be also be appreciated. The Intended Status of the draft is Standards = Track.

A separate IPR call will be issued on the = draft.

Thanks.

Mahesh Jethanandani
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Hi, WG,
 
I have read this draft, I think the draft is a good starting poin=
t, I am willing to review and contribute to this draft.

 


 


Chunshan Xiong


 


CICTMobile


 


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From: netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:netconf=
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Cc: draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscript=
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Subject: [netconf] Adoption call for draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-=
subscription


 


Hi WG,


 


The authors posted -08 version of the draft just before the new y=
ear, which addressed the comments they received in IETF 112.


 


 https://www.ietf.=
org/archive/id/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-08.txt


 


This starts a 2 week poll ending on January 24, to decide whether=
 this document should be made a WG document or not. Please reply to this em=
ail whether or not you support adoption of this draft by the WG. Indication=
s that the draft has been read will be also be appreciated. The Intended St=
atus of the draft is Standards Track.


 


A separate IPR call will be issued on the draft.


 


Thanks.


 


Mahesh Jethanandani


 
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Hi, folks

 

Thanks for writing this draft and providing an exten= sion to YANG push RFC. If my understanding is correct, the current YANG Pus= h mechanism only allows you to select a fixed sampling rate. You may set th= e sampling rate too high, which the device cannot afford, or you may set the sampling rate too slow, which can= not capture enough data.

 

One alternative solution is to use on change subscri= ption, which has already been defined in RFC8641. However, if my understand= ing is correct, on change subscription is not suitable for data that change= s frequently and consumes a tremendous amount of CPU resources device cannot afford as well.

 

So the idea of this draft is to choose one compromis= ed, or optimized solution that allows the device to switch sampling rate dy= namically, but this also require the devices to be configured explicitly wi= th multiple sampling intervals.

 

I think this idea is similar to Microsoft adaptive s= ampling mechanism, although it doesn=A1=AFt use the YANG model to define su= ch a mechanism. I think the concept is similar.

 

Therefore, I think this draft is a good starting poi= nt and could benefit to use Microsoft adaptive sampling as input, e.g., I a= m wondering whether this draft support configuration on packet sampling, e.= g., minimum sampling percentage or maximum sampling percentage?

 

Section 2.1 last two bullets:

What is the relationship between watermark and xpath= -external-eval? It looks to me, xpath-external-eval has to be represented u= sing watermark parameters which is a constant value and datastore node. May= be a watermark parameter is not needed.

 

Nevertheless, I do not have a strong opinion about t= his.

 

-- 

Best,

Zhixiong

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Mahesh Jethanandani<mjethanandani@gmail.com>

=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Netconf<netconf@ietf.org<= /a>>

=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA Re: [netconf] Adoption call for draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subs= cription

=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA 2022-01-25 06:19:39

 

We have received a tepid response to this adoption c= all, and are therefore extending this adoption call by another two weeks to= February 7. At that time, and unless we receive any objections, we are goi= ng to go ahead and adopt this draft.

 

We are aware of least two implementations of YANG Pu= sh, and this draft is an extension of that work.

 

Cheers



On Jan 10, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani <= ;mjethanandani@gmail.com>= wrote:

 

Hi WG,

 

The authors posted -08 version of the draft just bef= ore the new year, which addressed the comments they received in IETF 112.

 


This starts a 2 week poll ending on January 24, to decide whether this docu= ment should be made a WG document or not. Please reply to this email whethe= r or not you support adoption of this draft by the WG. Indications that the= draft has been read will be also be appreciated. The Intended Status of the draft is Standards Track.<= /o:p>

 

A separate IPR call will be issued on the draft.

 

Thanks.

 


Mahesh and Kent (as co-chairs)

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi, Zixiong:

Thank for your interests in this work and valuable review, please= reply inline below.

>=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Zhixiong Niu
>=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4:= 2022=C4=EA2=D4=C26=C8=D5 14:24
>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: netconf@ietf.org
>=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [netconf] Adoption call for draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-su= bscription

 

>Hi, folks=

 

>Thanks for wri= ting this draft and providing an extension to YANG push RFC. If my understa= nding is correct, the current YANG Push mechanism only allows you to select a fi= xed sampling rate. You may set the sampling rate too high, which the

>device cannot = afford, or you may set the sampling rate too slow, which cannot capture eno= ugh data.

 

>One alternativ= e solution is to use on change subscription, which has already been defined in RFC8641. However, if my understanding is correct, on change subscriptio= n is not suitable for data that changes frequently and consumes a

>tremendous amo= unt of CPU resources device cannot afford as well.

 <= /p>

>So the idea of= this draft is to choose one compromised, or optimized solution that allows the device to switch sampling rate dynamically, but this also require the = devices to be configured explicitly with multiple sampling intervals.<= /o:p>

 

>I think this i= dea is similar to Microsoft adaptive sampling mechanism, although it doesn= =A1=AFt use the YANG model to define such a mechanism. I think the concept is simi= lar.

[Qin Wu] Yes, Microsoft = adaptive sampling in Azure is related (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/ms= g/netconf/whMFjU6i8idoF3Q3AOvshCQkYog/), thanks for pointing this out.=

The common goal is to reduce I/O con= tention and resource while maintain a certain level accuracy when facing ma= ssive data collection, currently we focus on how the data is reported in which time interval, instead of how the dat= a is measured or sampled.

Routers and switches function as emb= edded monitoring probes and do not have enough computing power to monitor n= etwork traffic on high-speed links.  If every packet was captured and its statistic recorded, too much CPU power, = cache memory and network bandwidth would be consumed in order to record, st= ore and export data to the collector. Optimal packet sampling is a method t= hat effectively reduces the measurement overhead in context of device=A1=AFs resource usage and bandwidth consumpt= ion but at the cost of sacrificing some data accuracy.

>Therefore, I t= hink this draft is a good starting point and could benefit to use Microsoft adaptive sampling as input, e.g., I am wondering whether this draft suppor= t configuration on packet sampling, e.g., minimum sampling percentage or

>maximum sampli= ng percentage?

[Qin Wu] It is a good qu= estion, in the current draft, we rig= ht now more focus on using per packet monitoring and capture all the packet= s. But we could also consider time based sampling or counter based sampling= if there is interests to do so and a clear use case, e.g., Microsoft Azure adaptive sampling use case.=

&= nbsp;       

>Section 2.1 la= st two bullets:

>What is the re= lationship between watermark and xpath-external-eval? It looks to me, xpath= -external-eval has to be represented using watermark parameters which is a constant value= and datastore node. Maybe a watermark parameter is

>not needed.

[Qin Wu] You are right, = watermark parameter is part of xpath-external-eval. Take thermostat as an e= xample,

=A1=B0<= /p>

module thermostat {<= /o:p>

=A1=AD<= /p>

leaf actual-temp {

type int32;

config false;<= /span>

units =A1=B0degrees Celsi= us=A1=B1;

description =A1=B0The mea= sured temperature=A1=B1;

}

}

=A1=B1<= /p>

You might need to measure actual = temp and but you also want to control actual-temperature not greater than a= preconfigured threshold, e.g, actual-temp<80,  in this case, 80 is the preconfigured threshold or watermarks.<= /span>

If you want to control actual-tem= perature not less than a preconfigured threshold B, e.g., actual-temp>10= , in this case, 10 is another watermarks or preconfigured threshold.

So you are right, the waterwark&n= bsp; taken out from xpath-external-eval, in some cases, it is not required.=

>Nevertheless, = I do not have a strong opinion about this.

 

>-- <= /o:p>

>Best,

>Zhixiong<= /o:p>

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Mahesh Jethanandani<mjethanandani@gmail.com>

=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Netconf<net= conf@ietf.org>

=B3=AD=CB=CD=A3=BA<= /b> draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription<draft-wang-n= etconf-adaptive-subscription@ietf.org>

=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA<= /b> Re: [netconf] Adoption call for draft-wang-netconf= -adaptive-subscription

=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA<= /b> 2022-01-25 06:19:39

 

We have received a tepid response to this adoptio= n call, and are therefore extending this adoption call by another two weeks= to February 7. At that time, and unless we receive any objections, we are going to go ahead and adopt this draft. =

 

We are aware of least two implementations of YANG= Push, and this draft is an extension of that work.

 

Cheers

 

On Jan 10, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani = <mjethanandani@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:

 

Hi WG,

 

The authors posted -08 version of the draft just = before the new year, which addressed the comments they received in IETF 112= .

 


This starts a 2 week poll ending on January 24, to decide whether this docu= ment should be made a WG document or not. Please reply to this email whethe= r or not you support adoption of this draft by the WG. Indications that the= draft has been read will be also be appreciated. The Intended Status of the draft is Standards Track.<= /o:p>

 

A separate IPR call will be issued on the draft.<= o:p>

 

Thanks.

 


Mahesh and Kent (as co-chairs)

 

 

 

 

 

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h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=IE88uIu7u3zhqwmQYj9H1xN9OWkZoMoagb7tDI4YBxk=; b=X2wNXUFuVv0JWe+qdPEqk/mGIMJaN2vuQlYc/njHft62hVjewWNp05+YATPh/AMX QeyGkDloptTHvqlKQOKsXGDNAXK4b4xsc9mN8/tj2iRrQPRVJe6sc2zfGzka1b30Psx Gjk1dugEnKh2eGNgtaCyDIneUq21wf3FqwlnbLM4= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100017ed653c86e-bb9dcaa1-9c5b-4d03-8d4b-d3a87d44a313-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A5869316-69C1-4168-BF93-BC680DD01C0F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 22:35:22 +0000 In-Reply-To: Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" , draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription@ietf.org To: Mahesh Jethanandani References: <33ECFBD2-9CD9-4CFD-AFB5-FB3C31000E43@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES X-SES-Outgoing: 2022.02.07-54.240.8.88 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Adoption call for draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 22:35:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A5869316-69C1-4168-BF93-BC680DD01C0F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The chairs see an increase in adoption-call responses - thank you all! Some concerns have been raised, which means that we cannot adopt the = draft at this time. We encourage discussions to continue about the = concerns raised. To those claiming implementations, please consider = providing performance data that may help alleviate the concerns raised. Thank you, Kent (and Mahesh) > On Jan 24, 2022, at 5:19 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani = wrote: >=20 > We have received a tepid response to this adoption call, and are = therefore extending this adoption call by another two weeks to February = 7. At that time, and unless we receive any objections, we are going to = go ahead and adopt this draft. >=20 > We are aware of least two implementations of YANG Push, and this draft = is an extension of that work. >=20 > Cheers >=20 >> On Jan 10, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani = > wrote: >>=20 >> Hi WG, >>=20 >> The authors posted -08 version of the draft just before the new year, = which addressed the comments they received in IETF 112. >>=20 >> = https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-0= 8.txt = >>=20 >> This starts a 2 week poll ending on January 24, to decide whether = this document should be made a WG document or not. Please reply to this = email whether or not you support adoption of this draft by the WG. = Indications that the draft has been read will be also be appreciated. = The Intended Status of the draft is Standards Track. >>=20 >> A separate IPR call will be issued on the draft. >>=20 >> Thanks. >=20 >=20 > Mahesh and Kent (as co-chairs) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --Apple-Mail=_A5869316-69C1-4168-BF93-BC680DD01C0F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

The chairs see an = increase in adoption-call responses - thank you all!

Some concerns have been = raised, which means that we cannot adopt the draft at this time. =  We encourage discussions to continue about the concerns raised. =  To those claiming implementations, please consider providing = performance data that may help alleviate the concerns raised.

Thank you,
Kent (and Mahesh)



On Jan = 24, 2022, at 5:19 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com> wrote:

We have received a = tepid response to this adoption call, and are therefore extending this = adoption call by another two weeks to February 7. At that time, and = unless we receive any objections, we are going to go ahead and adopt = this draft.

We are = aware of least two implementations of YANG Push, and this draft is an = extension of that work.

Cheers

On Jan 10, 2022, at 2:07 PM, = Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi WG,

The authors posted -08 = version of the draft just before the new year, which addressed the = comments they received in IETF 112.

 https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-sub= scription-08.txt

This starts a 2 = week poll ending on January 24, to decide whether this document should = be made a WG document or not. Please reply to this email whether or not = you support adoption of this draft by the WG. Indications that the draft = has been read will be also be appreciated. The Intended Status of the = draft is Standards Track.

A separate IPR call will be issued on the draft.

Thanks.


Mahesh = and Kent (as co-chairs)






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= --Apple-Mail=_A5869316-69C1-4168-BF93-BC680DD01C0F-- From nobody Thu Feb 10 08:06:01 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03A33A0C38; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:05:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wyulorvSVuv2; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from frasgout.his.huawei.com (frasgout.his.huawei.com [185.176.79.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FEE63A0C73; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from fraeml737-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.147.201]) by frasgout.his.huawei.com (SkyGuard) with ESMTP id 4JvhRt0BrMz67lTH; Fri, 11 Feb 2022 00:05:46 +0800 (CST) Received: from canpemm500008.china.huawei.com (7.192.105.151) by fraeml737-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2308.21; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 17:05:52 +0100 Received: from canpemm500005.china.huawei.com (7.192.104.229) by canpemm500008.china.huawei.com (7.192.105.151) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2308.21; Fri, 11 Feb 2022 00:05:50 +0800 Received: from canpemm500005.china.huawei.com ([7.192.104.229]) by canpemm500005.china.huawei.com ([7.192.104.229]) with mapi id 15.01.2308.021; Fri, 11 Feb 2022 00:05:50 +0800 From: Qin Wu To: "netconf@ietf.org" CC: "netconf-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: List Pagination Status Update Thread-Index: AdgeldZ5xd7umYl/TdOmtIjQhUR+eg== Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 16:05:50 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.136.100.16] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_ffd724b0a5534535a3e96e68db1f8984huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] List Pagination Status Update X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 16:06:00 -0000 --_000_ffd724b0a5534535a3e96e68db1f8984huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, folks: In IETF 112, we presented three List Pagination drafts. draft-wwlh-netconf-list-pagination-00 - List Pagination for YANG-driven Pro= tocols draft-wwlh-netconf-list-pagination-rc-02 - RESTCONF Extensions to Support L= ist Pagination draft-wwlh-netconf-list-pagination-nc-02 - NETCONF Extensions to Support Li= st Pagination Two issues have been discussed on the list since January 5 2022 after 112 Issue #1 (Cursor Support) received zero comments (https://mailarchive.ietf.= org/arch/msg/netconf/4IK5aWnbE_-c0vZBXEJF-11owek/) Issue #2 (Zero vs Unknown) received only an editorial comment(https://maila= rchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netconf/4wm8Cjrw-YHqeNcSgoBm4p_IAN0/) For Issue #1, We heard no objection, we would like to close this issue. For Issue #2, We received one suggested New Text from William, Thanks Willi= am. The suggested change is accepted. We believe this issue also can be clo= sed as well. With that, we authors believe there are no more known open issues for any o= f the List Pagination drafts. If there is anything else missing, please let= us know. Thanks! -Qin (on behalf of authors) --_000_ffd724b0a5534535a3e96e68db1f8984huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, folks:

In IETF 112, we presented three= List Pagination drafts.

draft-wwlh-netconf-list-paginat= ion-00 - List Pagination for YANG-driven Protocols

draft-wwlh-netconf-lis= t-pagination-rc-02 - RESTCONF Extensions to Support List Pagination

draft-wwlh-netconf-list-paginat= ion-nc-02 - NETCONF Extensions to Support List Pagination=

 

Two issues have been discussed = on the list since January 5 2022 after 112

Issue #1 (Cursor Support) recei= ved zero comments (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netcon= f/4IK5aWnbE_-c0vZBXEJF-11owek/)

Issue #2 (Zero vs Unknown) rece= ived only an editorial comment(https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arc= h/msg/netconf/4wm8Cjrw-YHqeNcSgoBm4p_IAN0/)

For Issue #1, We heard no objec= tion, we would like to close this issue.

For Issue #2, We received one s= uggested New Text from William, Thanks William. The suggested change is acc= epted. We believe this issue also can be closed as well.<= /p>

With that, we authors believe t= here are no more known open issues for any of the List Pagination drafts. I= f there is anything else missing, please let us know.

Thanks!

 

-Qin (on behalf of authors)

 

 

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I reali= zed in the description of the YANG modules that there is a difference in se= ction 3.2 between CMC and CMP in the description what can be contained in t= he respective CSR. Based on the description of the YANG module, CMC seems t= o be open for different types of certification requests, while CMP is bound= to a wrapped P10 not leaving any further choice (like ir, cr, kur). Did I = got this right or did I misinterpret the description for the cmc-csr? Sorry= for realizing this so late. Best regards Steffen --_000_DU0PR10MB5196969030E39300696054D0F3349DU0PR10MB5196EURP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Kent,

 

I’ve got a short clarification question regard= ing the latest draft. I realized in the description of the YANG modules tha= t there is a difference in section 3.2 between CMC and CMP in the descripti= on what can be contained in the respective CSR. Based on the description of the YANG module, CMC seems to be open for= different types of certification requests, while CMP is bound to a wrapped= P10 not leaving any further choice (like ir, cr, kur). Did I got this righ= t or did I misinterpret the description for the cmc-csr? Sorry for realizing this so late.  

 

Best regards

Steffen

--_000_DU0PR10MB5196969030E39300696054D0F3349DU0PR10MB5196EURP_-- From nobody Thu Feb 17 06:44:25 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330FD3A0900; Thu, 17 Feb 2022 06:44:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zaheduzzaman Sarker via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-netconf-sztp-csr@ietf.org, netconf-chairs@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org, mjethanandani@gmail.com, mjethanandani@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.45.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Zaheduzzaman Sarker Message-ID: <164510905819.30263.15403648331012081165@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 06:44:18 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's No Objection on draft-ietf-netconf-sztp-csr-13: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 14:44:19 -0000 Zaheduzzaman Sarker has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netconf-sztp-csr-13: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From nobody Tue Feb 22 07:33:46 2022 Return-Path: <0100017f2210e849-73639b73-109c-46bb-be2f-5f52f96449e6-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858383A1354; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 07:33:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u2mSBTItIS9M; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 07:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from a48-93.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-93.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C5B03A140D; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 07:33:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=ug7nbtf4gccmlpwj322ax3p6ow6yfsug; d=amazonses.com; t=1645544008; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=q+AqfMrQLbqUazRfaip885+TvcOjPdv7fCTyRmwuWrQ=; b=d+EWEQmxRurvnvPPm5qHI7k0TAlcp/FXTQ0T4Z9M7on29sheT0dytorOF/jPt9QS jttXUvfN5PTYLGDGaW7d329nR4iWSdG02nNmXkBRTV26yfo/LuXBiOrJjCIMG12UWsv GkbMo1y9yNzRaKdQvXzO7u7bgUEscM5oVpRQ1ehI= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100017f2210e849-73639b73-109c-46bb-be2f-5f52f96449e6-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_61FFE3B3-1CB3-4631-869D-685DB786FA96" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.60.0.1.1\)) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 15:33:27 +0000 In-Reply-To: Cc: "draft-ietf-netconf-sztp-csr@ietf.org" , "netconf@ietf.org" To: "Fries, Steffen" References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.60.0.1.1) Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES X-SES-Outgoing: 2022.02.22-54.240.48.93 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Question to draft-ietf-netconf-sztp-csr-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 15:33:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_61FFE3B3-1CB3-4631-869D-685DB786FA96 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Steffen, Yes, the CMP-CSR is bound to P10. =20 This draft is currently in the final stage of IESG Last Call review. = Comments such as these should have been received during WG Last Call. = Unless an IESG member throws a DISCUSS, the draft will proceed as is. = In such case, a future work may define something like a "cmp-csr-2=E2=80=9D= leaf to contain an expanded definition. Kent // contributor > On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:46 PM, Fries, Steffen = wrote: >=20 > Hello Kent, > =20 > I=E2=80=99ve got a short clarification question regarding the latest = draft. I realized in the description of the YANG modules that there is a = difference in section 3.2 between CMC and CMP in the description what = can be contained in the respective CSR. Based on the description of the = YANG module, CMC seems to be open for different types of certification = requests, while CMP is bound to a wrapped P10 not leaving any further = choice (like ir, cr, kur). Did I got this right or did I misinterpret = the description for the cmc-csr? Sorry for realizing this so late. =20 > =20 > Best regards > Steffen=20 --Apple-Mail=_61FFE3B3-1CB3-4631-869D-685DB786FA96 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Hi Steffen,

Yes, = the CMP-CSR is bound to P10.  

This draft is currently in the final stage of IESG Last = Call review.  Comments such as these should have been received = during WG Last Call.  Unless an IESG member throws a DISCUSS, the = draft will proceed as is.  In such case, a future = work may define something like a "cmp-csr-2=E2=80=9D leaf to = contain an expanded definition.

Kent // = contributor



On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:46 PM, = Fries, Steffen <steffen.fries@siemens.com> wrote:

Hello Kent,
 
I=E2=80=99ve got a short clarification question = regarding the latest draft. I realized in the description of the YANG = modules that there is a difference in section 3.2 between CMC and CMP in = the description what can be contained in the respective CSR. Based on = the description of the YANG module, CMC seems to be open for different = types of certification requests, while CMP is bound to a wrapped P10 not = leaving any further choice (like ir, cr, kur). Did I got this right or = did I misinterpret the description for the cmc-csr? Sorry for realizing = this so late.  
 
Best regards
Steffen 

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[70.234.233.187]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r3sm537093qkm.56.2022.02.22.14.07.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:07:25 -0800 (PST) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7763E860-2BB0-40D9-8656-A72E17250125" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:07:24 -0800 Cc: netconf-chairs To: Netconf X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] 113 Slot Requests X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 22:07:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7763E860-2BB0-40D9-8656-A72E17250125 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi WG, The *prelimary* agenda for IETF113 has been posted - = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/agenda = The NetConf WG meets on Monday, March 21, 2022 14:30-16:30 UTC, the = second afternoon session. iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/session/29291.ics = =20 This will be a hybrid meeting. Our plan is to cover updates to existing = drafts, open issues, and new topics or drafts. Please send slot requests to netconf-chairs@ietf.org = before the end of the day Sunday, March = 6 (any TZ). Please include draft names(s), presenter, desired slot = length. Please keep in mind that priority for agenda time is given to WG = drafts and other drafts/topics discussed on the mailing list. Finally, if you plan to be in person and are willing to help manage the = room, or help with taking notes of the meeting please let us know. Thank you! Mahesh & Kent Important dates: IETF 113: 2022-03-19, Vienna, AT 2022-02-23 (Wednesday): Cut-off date for requests to reschedule Working = Group or BOF meetings UTC 23:59. 2022-02-25 (Friday): Final agenda to be published. 2022-03-07 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts, = including -00) by UTC 23:59. Upload using the ID Submission Tool. 2022-03-07 (Monday): Standard rate registration and payment cut-off at = UTC 23:59.. 2022-03-09 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59. = Upload using the Meeting Materials Management Tool. 2022-03-14 (Monday): Registration cancellation cut-off at UTC 23:59. 2022-03-14 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59. = Upload using the Meeting Materials Management Tool. 2022-04-15 (Friday): Proceedings submission cutoff date by UTC 23:59. = Upload using the Meeting Materials Management Tool. 2022-05-09 (Monday): Proceedings submission corrections cutoff date by = UTC 23:59. --Apple-Mail=_7763E860-2BB0-40D9-8656-A72E17250125 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi = WG,

The *prelimary* = agenda for IETF113 has been posted - https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/agenda

The NetConf WG meets on Monday, March 21, 2022 = 14:30-16:30 UTC, the second afternoon session.

iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/session/29291.ics&= nbsp;

This will be a hybrid meeting.  = Our plan is to cover updates to existing drafts, open issues, and new = topics or drafts.

Please send slot requests = to netconf-chairs@ietf.org before the end of the day = Sunday, March 6 (any TZ).  Please include draft names(s), = presenter, desired slot length. Please keep in mind that priority = for agenda time is given to WG drafts and other drafts/topics discussed = on the mailing list.

Finally, if you plan = to be in person and are willing to help manage the room, or help with = taking notes of the meeting please let us know.

Thank you!

Mahesh & Kent

Important dates:

IETF 113: 2022-03-19, Vienna, AT

2022-02-23 (Wednesday): Cut-off date for requests to = reschedule Working Group or BOF meetings UTC 23:59.
2022-02-25 (Friday): Final agenda to be published.
2022-03-07 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for = all drafts, including -00) by UTC 23:59. Upload using the ID Submission = Tool.
2022-03-07 (Monday): Standard rate registration and = payment cut-off at UTC 23:59..
2022-03-09 (Wednesday): = Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59. Upload using the Meeting = Materials Management Tool.
2022-03-14 (Monday): = Registration cancellation cut-off at UTC 23:59.
2022-03-14 = (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59. Upload using = the Meeting Materials Management Tool.
2022-04-15 = (Friday): Proceedings submission cutoff date by UTC 23:59. Upload using = the Meeting Materials Management Tool.
2022-05-09 = (Monday): Proceedings submission corrections cutoff date by UTC = 23:59.

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[as co-chair]


Authors,

The chairs discussed = this message today.

As no = objections have been raised, neither from the cited issue-specific = emails nor from the email below, we believe that it is appropriate to = initiate an adoption call on these drafts.

However, we feel that = we=E2=80=99re too close to the I-D submission = cut-off deadline = to initiate an adoption call now, as needed reviewers may be too focused preparing = their drafts for submission.  We thus plan to initiate the adoption = call on Monday, March 7 (the submission deadline = date) and run the adoption call for up to a week after IETF 113 (a total = of four weeks), in order to ensure plenty of time for = responses.

Thanks,
Kent and Mahesh


On Feb 10, 2022, at 11:05 AM, Qin Wu <bill.wu=3D40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Hi, folks:
In IETF 112, we = presented three List Pagination drafts.
draft-wwlh-netconf-list-pagination-00 - List Pagination for = YANG-driven Protocols
draft-wwlh-netconf-list-pagination-rc-02 - RESTCONF = Extensions to Support List Pagination
draft-wwlh-netconf-list-pagination-nc-02 - NETCONF Extensions = to Support List Pagination
 
Two = issues have been discussed on the list since January 5 2022 after = 112
Issue #1 (Cursor = Support) received zero comments (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netconf/4IK5aWnbE_-c0vZBX= EJF-11owek/)
Issue = #2 (Zero vs Unknown) received only an editorial comment(https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netconf/4wm8Cjrw-YHqeNcSg= oBm4p_IAN0/)
For = Issue #1, We heard no objection, we would like to close this issue.
For Issue #2, We = received one suggested New Text from William, Thanks William. The = suggested change is accepted. We believe this issue also can be closed = as well.
With that, we = authors believe there are no more known open issues for any of the List = Pagination drafts. If there is anything else missing, please let us = know.
Thanks!
 
-Qin (on behalf = of authors)

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draft-liu-netconf-ext-obtain-ds-diff-00.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 03:56:51 -0000 ------=_Part_981109_640124666.1645674996835 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Did you take a look at RFC9144? Regards,Reshad. On Wednesday, February 23, 2022, 10:38:43 PM EST, Harold Liu wrote: =20 =20 Dear Experts: Recently we came across a real need - Customer's view of the current NETCON= F configuration process is that it can be non-optimal because the increment= of configuration change cannot be directly obtained so as to all configura= tion change checks need to be manually compared.=C2=A0 Therefore, this meth= od is not very efficient and error-prone in many cases. The consequence of = configuration error directly affects the service even if the wrong configur= ation is corrected quickly, it is unacceptable. We didn't find a suitable solution in the current standards, so we'd like t= o have a reasonable approach - To define how to directly retrieve the diffe= rences between datastores by adding "datastore-diff" RPC to improve NETCONF= usability and serviceability in this document. The below announcement is that draft. We would like to work with the commun= ity to improve and clarify tech draft. Brs -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org =20 Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 11:29 AM To: Harold Liu ; Renwang Liu Subject: New Version Notification for draft-liu-netconf-ext-obtain-ds-diff-= 00.txt A new version of I-D, draft-liu-netconf-ext-obtain-ds-diff-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Daiying Liu and posted to the IETF repos= itory. Name:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 draft-liu-netconf-ext-obtain-ds-= diff Revision:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 00 Title:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 NETCONF Extension for Datastore= Differences Document date:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2022-02-21 Group:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Individual Submission Pages:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 10 URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/archive/= id/draft-liu-netconf-ext-obtain-ds-diff-00.txt Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-l= iu-netconf-ext-obtain-ds-diff/ Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-l= iu-netconf-ext-obtain-ds-diff Abstract: =C2=A0 This document defines a "datastore-diff" RPC that returns the =C2=A0 differences between two datastores in an XML-based format. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 The IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ netconf mailing list netconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf =20 ------=_Part_981109_640124666.1645674996835 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Did yo= u take a look at RFC9144?

<= /div>
Regards,
Reshad.


=20
=20
On Wednesday, February 23, 2022, 10:38:43 PM EST, Harol= d Liu <harold.liu=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:


Dear Experts:

Recently we came across a real need - Custome= r's view of the current NETCONF configuration process is that it can be non= -optimal because the increment of configuration change cannot be directly o= btained so as to all configuration change checks need to be manually compar= ed.  Therefore, this method is not very efficient and error-prone in m= any cases. The consequence of configuration error directly affects the serv= ice even if the wrong configuration is corrected quickly, it is unacceptabl= e.

We didn't find a su= itable solution in the current standards, so we'd like to have a reasonable= approach - To define how to directly retrieve the differences between data= stores by adding "datastore-diff" RPC to improve NETCONF usability and serv= iceability in this document.

The below announcement is that draft. We would like to work with t= he community to improve and clarify tech draft.
<= br>
Brs

-----Original Message-----
From: int= ernet-drafts@ietf.org <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 11:29 AM
To: Harold Liu <harold.liu@ericsson.com>; Renwang= Liu <renwang.liu@ericsson.com>
Sub= ject: New Version Notification for draft-liu-netconf-ext-obtain-ds-diff-00.= txt


A new version of I-D, draft-liu-netconf-ext-obtain-ds-diff-00.txt<= br>
has been successfully submitted by Daiying Liu an= d posted to the IETF repository.

Name:        draft-liu-netconf-ext= -obtain-ds-diff
Revision:    00
Title:        NETCONF= Extension for Datastore Differences
Document dat= e:    2022-02-21
Group:  = ;      Individual Submission
= Pages:        10


Abstract:
  This document de= fines a "datastore-diff" RPC that returns the
&nb= sp; differences between two datastores in an XML-based format.

         = ;                     &nb= sp;                     &= nbsp;                    =        


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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 13:50:05 -0000 --000000000000eff28905d8d7f89f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 12:09 AM maqiufang (A) wrote: > Hi, Andy, all > This version tries to resolve the comments received during the adoption > call (thank you all for showing your supports/concerns). > The diff is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-09. > > > Andy, could you please have a review of it and let the authors know if we > are on the right track? > I am hoping we can have a further discussion if you think there is still > something unclear. > > Sorry, I am not interested in this work so I do not have time to read the draft. Andy > Any other comments and suggestions would also be greatly appreciated. > Thanks! > > Best Regards, > Qiufang Ma > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 3:17 PM > To: Peng Liu ; Qin Wu ; > Qin Wu ; maqiufang (A) ; > Songwei (David, DataCom) ; Wei Wang < > wangw36@chinatelecom.cn> > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-09.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-09.txt > has been successfully submitted by Qiufang Ma and posted to the IETF > repository. > > Name: draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription > Revision: 09 > Title: Adaptive Subscription to YANG Notification > Document date: 2022-02-24 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 29 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-09.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription/ > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription > Diff: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-09 > > Abstract: > This document defines a YANG data model and associated mechanism > enabling the subscriber's adaptive subscriptions to a publisher's > event streams with various different period intervals to report > updates. Applying these elements allows servers automatically adjust > the rate and volume of telemetry traffic sent from a publisher to > receivers. > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > --000000000000eff28905d8d7f89f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 12:09 AM maqi= ufang (A) <maqiufang1@huawei.co= m> wrote:
Hi, Andy, all
This version tries to resolve the comments received during the adoption cal= l (thank you all for showing your supports/concerns).
The diff is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscr= iption-09.

Andy, could you please have a review of it and let the authors know if we a= re on the right track?
I am hoping we can have a further discussion if you think there is still so= mething unclear.


Sorry, I am not interested in this wor= k so I do not have time to read the draft.

Andy

=C2=A0
Any other comments and suggestions would also be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

Best Regards,
Qiufang Ma

-----Original Message-----
From: interne= t-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 3:17 PM
To: Peng Liu <liupengyjy@chinamobile.com>; Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; maqiufang (A) <maqiufang1@huawei.com>; Songwei (David, DataCom) <songwei80@huawei.com>; Wei Wang <wangw36@chinatelecom.cn>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscript= ion-09.txt


A new version of I-D, draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-09.txt
has been successfully submitted by Qiufang Ma and posted to the IETF reposi= tory.

Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-s= ubscription
Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A009
Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Adaptive Subscription to YANG Noti= fication
Document date:=C2=A0 2022-02-24
Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Submission
Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 29
URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-netconf= -adaptive-subscription-09.txt
Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive= -subscription/
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wang-netconf-adap= tive-subscription
Diff:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wang-net= conf-adaptive-subscription-09

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines a YANG data model and associated mechani= sm
=C2=A0 =C2=A0enabling the subscriber's adaptive subscriptions to a publ= isher's
=C2=A0 =C2=A0event streams with various different period intervals to repor= t
=C2=A0 =C2=A0updates.=C2=A0 Applying these elements allows servers automati= cally adjust
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the rate and volume of telemetry traffic sent from a publisher= to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0receivers.




The IETF Secretariat


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Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:47:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <164577340231.24441.14593808887814025102@ietfa.amsl.com> <2ad55f066df846c8825b486baf7e8fe5@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <2ad55f066df846c8825b486baf7e8fe5@huawei.com> From: Andy Bierman Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:47:34 -0800 Message-ID: To: "maqiufang (A)" Cc: Netconf Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004616cd05d8f0403e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] FW: New Version Notification for draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-09.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 18:47:53 -0000 --0000000000004616cd05d8f0403e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 12:09 AM maqiufang (A) wrote: > Hi, Andy, all > This version tries to resolve the comments received during the adoption > call (thank you all for showing your supports/concerns). > The diff is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-09. > > > Andy, could you please have a review of it and let the authors know if we > are on the right track? > I am hoping we can have a further discussion if you think there is still > something unclear. > > How about a discussion on the problem space? The programming logic and server interactions required to implement some client application functionality is likely stateful, and of arbitrary complexity. All attempts to represent such programming logic in SMIv2 or YANG, and "program the server" with the client application logic have failed in spectacular fashion. They serve as case studies on the impact of complexity on standards adoption. Every solution is either too simplistic to address any real use-cases (like this draft) or too complex for mere mortals to use (like SUPA and ECA). So I do not believe such standardization efforts will be a good use of WG resources. IMO the WG should focus on new features that only the server can provide, like YANG list pagination. Andy Any other comments and suggestions would also be greatly appreciated. > Thanks! > > Best Regards, > Qiufang Ma > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 3:17 PM > To: Peng Liu ; Qin Wu ; > Qin Wu ; maqiufang (A) ; > Songwei (David, DataCom) ; Wei Wang < > wangw36@chinatelecom.cn> > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-09.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-09.txt > has been successfully submitted by Qiufang Ma and posted to the IETF > repository. > > Name: draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription > Revision: 09 > Title: Adaptive Subscription to YANG Notification > Document date: 2022-02-24 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 29 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-09.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription/ > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription > Diff: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-09 > > Abstract: > This document defines a YANG data model and associated mechanism > enabling the subscriber's adaptive subscriptions to a publisher's > event streams with various different period intervals to report > updates. Applying these elements allows servers automatically adjust > the rate and volume of telemetry traffic sent from a publisher to > receivers. > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > --0000000000004616cd05d8f0403e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 12:09 AM maqi= ufang (A) <maqiufang1@huawei.co= m> wrote:
Hi, Andy, all
This version tries to resolve the comments received during the adoption cal= l (thank you all for showing your supports/concerns).
The diff is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscr= iption-09.

Andy, could you please have a review of it and let the authors know if we a= re on the right track?
I am hoping we can have a further discussion if you think there is still so= mething unclear.


How about a discussion on the problem = space?

The programming logic and server interactio= ns required to implement some client application
functionality is= likely stateful, and of arbitrary complexity.=C2=A0

All attempts to represent such programming logic in SMIv2 or YANG, and &= quot;program the server"
with the client application logic h= ave failed in spectacular fashion. They serve as case studies
on = the impact of complexity on standards adoption.

Ev= ery solution is either too simplistic to address any real use-cases (like t= his draft)
or too complex for mere mortals to use (like SUPA and = ECA).
So I do not believe such standardization efforts will be a = good use of WG resources.
IMO the WG should focus on new features= that only the server can provide,
like YANG list pagination.

Andy



Any other comments and suggestions would also be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

Best Regards,
Qiufang Ma

-----Original Message-----
From: interne= t-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 3:17 PM
To: Peng Liu <liupengyjy@chinamobile.com>; Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; maqiufang (A) <maqiufang1@huawei.com>; Songwei (David, DataCom) <songwei80@huawei.com>; Wei Wang <wangw36@chinatelecom.cn>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscript= ion-09.txt


A new version of I-D, draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-09.txt
has been successfully submitted by Qiufang Ma and posted to the IETF reposi= tory.

Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-s= ubscription
Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A009
Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Adaptive Subscription to YANG Noti= fication
Document date:=C2=A0 2022-02-24
Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Submission
Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 29
URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-netconf= -adaptive-subscription-09.txt
Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive= -subscription/
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wang-netconf-adap= tive-subscription
Diff:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-wang-net= conf-adaptive-subscription-09

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines a YANG data model and associated mechani= sm
=C2=A0 =C2=A0enabling the subscriber's adaptive subscriptions to a publ= isher's
=C2=A0 =C2=A0event streams with various different period intervals to repor= t
=C2=A0 =C2=A0updates.=C2=A0 Applying these elements allows servers automati= cally adjust
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the rate and volume of telemetry traffic sent from a publisher= to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0receivers.




The IETF Secretariat


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The chairs have been reviewing all WG documents in = preparation for IETF 113. 

Looking at the UDP notif draft, which = now includes DTLS, we were wondering how is DTLS configured. The YANG = model does not seem to make any reference to configuration related to = it. Is there a plan to add it?

Do you want a slot in the upcoming = meeting to discuss various options for configuration of DTLS for UDP = notif?

Cheers.

Mahesh and Kent 





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