From ietf-secretariat@ietf.org Sun Mar 10 11:12:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B7021F8857; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:12:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I+G368uIPfLd; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4061421F8853; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:12:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Secretariat To: IETF Announcement List X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.42 Message-ID: <20130310181245.4575.49587.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:12:45 -0700 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:28:27 -0700 Cc: Marc Weber , Elizabeth Feinler , nethistory@ietf.org, Dave Crocker Subject: [Nethistory] New Non-WG Mailing List: nethistory -- Matching net historical materials with institutions that may preserve them X-BeenThere: nethistory@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Matching net historical materials with institutions that may preserve them List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:12:46 -0000 A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. 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From jari.arkko@piuha.net Mon Mar 11 05:21:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCFE21F86AF for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 05:21:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jzuUmexHIZFZ for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 05:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886DA21F8697 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 05:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03252CC55 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:21:50 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Ng9TvR9LPRh for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:21:50 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04B52CC3B for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:21:49 +0200 (EET) From: Jari Arkko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:21:49 -0400 To: nethistory@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Subject: [Nethistory] materials for the meeting today X-BeenThere: nethistory@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Matching net historical materials with institutions that may preserve them List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:21:52 -0000 I was preparing for the meeting by reading what material there is. And I = thought it would be useful to post the links to others as well. Agenda:=20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/86/agenda/history/ There's a proposed charter http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-history-0.txt And a mailing list: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nethistory And the meeting will be today at 1540-1710 in room Caribbean 1. Anything that I missed? Am I correct that there are no Internet-Drafts = or other documents yet? Jari From dhc@dcrocker.net Mon Mar 11 10:18:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516F721F8B8C for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:18:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zS-qgKJAfPgZ for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B734C11E811E for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.20.119] (dhcp-1477.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.20.119]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r2BHIDZp022362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:18:15 -0700 Message-ID: <513E11D3.9010808@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:18:11 -0400 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jari Arkko References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: nethistory@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Nethistory] materials for the meeting today X-BeenThere: nethistory@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: Matching net historical materials with institutions that may preserve them List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:18:23 -0000 On 3/11/2013 8:21 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > Anything that I missed? Am I correct that there are no Internet-Drafts or other documents yet? Not "missed" necessarily but we have an excess of riches, with an alternative entry for the session being: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/agenda/86/ and this provides more convenient assistance to get to the services associated with each session. The various icons access audio, jabber and etherpad (for notes) d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From hlflanagan@gmail.com Mon Mar 11 14:52:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DD121F909A for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:52:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H1CP9sWlgWRc for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x22f.google.com (mail-ob0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726E521F9034 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id uz6so3785734obc.20 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:52:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nUYpyOzrROGnT0MhAAYAwrHY7QTflphMYlXO3JwZKS4=; b=0kRX+Sk/QNnjhZmEyIh+vEyg2z1JZks7dcoFJ0X8hyaQJFgMeWPq4erwbSA6Z92eLN M9Q1Rmwi3DTpXxHzHH76URpdmRiNJpTaTbBXZCDKDu0VmL6jSUz7mPbfWyoZg8HDFcUd cmNvQEM01DDIbx0+GqpK+I3fRoevsxsUtmqbzedDO/GO9zP1zcWKiHQi8hDbwnPF6xB3 aul4C2rcLsMfjfAM72vKqHL9ZFOvo9uiSKGwve/icHlekU2djYqLezdVbV+2PYVg9EG0 ITkQ+1eGQdXfirnuLpBVdksq7Vxt06Wkgq2UKSBjvpCQLX7frm8JeJwkmQnDHYBpl2O/ E7Sg== X-Received: by 10.182.119.101 with SMTP id kt5mr10487735obb.22.1363038758016; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-104a.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-104a.meeting.ietf.org. [130.129.16.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j10sm18796934obg.4.2013.03.11.14.52.36 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <513E5223.5080401@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:52:35 -0400 From: Heather Flanagan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nethistory@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Nethistory] An existing archive of interest X-BeenThere: nethistory@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Matching net historical materials with institutions that may preserve them List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:52:42 -0000 Hello all, In today's BoF, individuals referred to various archives and repositories, including a wide variety of closets and garages around the world. Another archive that will be of interest is the "Internet Archaeology: Documents from Early History" site on the RFC Editor website. http://www.rfc-editor.org/history.html That page includes links to documents including early ARPAnet News messages from the early 1980's, the TCP/IP Digests from the early 1980's, and several other documents, messages, and information. Please let me know if you have any questions, Heather Flanagan RFC Series Editor From dugo@xs4all.nl Mon Mar 11 16:30:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B2B11E80D9 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:30:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tr073WPIq-3F for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D243F11E80CC for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.xs4all.nl (roundcube1.xs4all.net [194.109.20.195]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r2BNUWqi047923 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 00:30:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dugo@xs4all.nl) Received: from s3eea3aaa.adsl.online.nl ([62.234.58.170]) by mail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Tue, 12 Mar 2013 00:30:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:30:32 -0400 From: dugo To: In-Reply-To: <513E5223.5080401@gmail.com> References: <513E5223.5080401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ede43b57c5ff8f73bd3eb3d1aee6782@xs4all.nl> X-Sender: dugo@xs4all.nl (9GgoWw0BBuYAzSpgQneVgA==) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Re: [Nethistory] An existing archive of interest X-BeenThere: nethistory@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Matching net historical materials with institutions that may preserve them List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:33:00 -0000 On 2013-03-11 17:52, Heather Flanagan wrote: > Another archive that will be of interest is the "Internet Archaeology: > Documents from Early History" site on the RFC Editor website. > > http://www.rfc-editor.org/history.html > > That page includes links to documents including early ARPAnet News > messages from the early 1980's, the TCP/IP Digests from the early > 1980's, and several other documents, messages, and information. I think an attempt to complete the INTERNET MONTHLY REPORTS series is well worth the effort. The tale of NSFNET Phase 1 swamp and the fuzzball critters is fascinating. I complemented my set from ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/netinfo/NSFNET/imr/ /Jacob