From indolering@gmail.com Mon Dec 30 14:24:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363A71AE2F7 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:24:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.323 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.323 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FqcOCNV7eCVj for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pb0-x22f.google.com (mail-pb0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::22f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E8C1AE29B for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id um1so11968218pbc.34 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:24:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=GRErwcnLkSs1ajLhR40GuFKsRJZz6dVyjB8UXxx2lAo=; b=DmsTnaY7Kliq91bBP3+zZKMChysuiFAzWshh8Dfu9VvWs1ElHq9j3EJ5QQgKxoZOLE E4PUgLVrP24TDMwg7ZchyGUhNjeOi+5xqp7kUMM3By4wS2Atf1P3z5z0XWd/FJTYEB5H 2Tb8/z4x8vXuERE2c+ZzWbM6+zQzsMrKAASNMy88Yt32ojqNsB8say/QevJddUF2AY/J MqyL5mXQcrLdA7td/WSotkbHfpG31GtQFXC1c63xhKpxrTIST0Iu0Q2h4TWIeH35a0cj I6K82nT2MGZpYiv/3UfQ/cg4NJqg/WkZeyYeLfQdWazlsX13uUJH1ao0xxn4cGurW8rO oCjg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=indolering.com; s=google; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=GRErwcnLkSs1ajLhR40GuFKsRJZz6dVyjB8UXxx2lAo=; b=S+KPnHQr53F0JEli00NeUQ73+Riy1sKVJzi09qjRHgL3JTcHqor0mW6L3q3SvrHYhU 0kW1o7CbgucqcCkhj0crvViLCdDULlRYzVsMzjJvyjoOU5K471bbY7pxAS4paHWLFVUV /DXIcDwpOOiaPLiB95/kGy3bYf2NMznFIqVGU= X-Received: by 10.68.239.230 with SMTP id vv6mr44952100pbc.34.1388442246304; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:24:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: indolering@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.46.169 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:23:26 -0800 (PST) From: Zach Lym Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:23:26 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: iaCiCAve8-OujaX8yA3A_3rN0IA Message-ID: To: nethistory@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33cfb0e1dce404eec7e660 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 15:00:21 -0800 Subject: [Nethistory] DNS-in-a-wallet X-BeenThere: nethistory@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Matching net historical materials with institutions that may preserve them List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:24:14 -0000 --047d7b33cfb0e1dce404eec7e660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My apologies if this is the wrong list to post this to, but I have a historical anecdote that I'm trying to chase down. I thought this was the most appropriate forum to do so. I had a memory of one of the early internet engineers storing a copy of the IP address allocations or DNS mappings in her/his wallet. Then if someone asked her/him for and IP or domain (I can't remember which) s/he would write it down on the list and then update the server when s/he got back to it. I would be grateful if you could direct me to a better list or circulate this email among knowledgeable individuals. Thank you, -Zach Lym --047d7b33cfb0e1dce404eec7e660 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My apologies if this is the wrong list to post this t= o, but I have a historical anecdote that I'm trying to chase down.=A0 I= thought this was the most appropriate forum to do so.

I had a= memory of one of the early internet engineers storing a copy of the IP add= ress allocations or DNS mappings in her/his wallet.=A0 Then if someone aske= d her/him for and IP or domain (I can't remember which) s/he would writ= e it down on the list and then update the server when s/he got back to it.<= br>

I would be grateful if you could direct me to a better = list or circulate this email among knowledgeable individuals.

Thank you,
-Zach Lym
--047d7b33cfb0e1dce404eec7e660-- From ian.peter@ianpeter.com Mon Dec 30 21:54:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275D31AE3A5 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:54:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H97oAE9dDGXZ for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:54:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from outmail149095.authsmtp.com (outmail149095.authsmtp.com [62.13.149.95]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D271AE393 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2013 21:54:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-c237.authsmtp.com (mail-c237.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.237]) by punt15.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id rBV5s60r043973; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 05:54:06 GMT Received: from Toshiba (124-169-12-5.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.169.12.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id rBV5s0Ls080244; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 05:54:02 GMT Message-ID: <6556602F029841FBB522589C7C4C6473@Toshiba> From: "Ian Peter" To: "Zach Lym" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:53:59 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1425_01CF0648.E6EA7210" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 X-Server-Quench: f46e9687-71df-11e3-94fa-002590a135d3 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCdyZgEQClZURQJc Ei4YATVoSAwjPhBQ DAVFJgxfNl8UURhQ KkJXbgASJgZFAn1U UHkJW1VXQF10U2Zx YQpVIwRfZlRPWQx0 UUpXR01QEQdtHhxP RGx4V1pyC0ZGcH5y YUIsX3FdWkA0I0J7 F0dSHWobYmY0Pn0e URVbagpQJlJXfh9H b1l/BXIOZDEEKBg1 TUcAGT0tPTRENCNP UzRFAXQpBEcNWzd5 WBkGGTgzdQAA X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633136393539.1024:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 124.169.12.5/2525 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. Subject: Re: [Nethistory] DNS-in-a-wallet X-BeenThere: nethistory@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ian Peter List-Id: Matching net historical materials with institutions that may preserve them List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 05:54:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1425_01CF0648.E6EA7210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the original story is that Bob Kahn had it on one card in his = pocket, but when it expanded to two cards he gave it to Jon Postel to = manage. Bob refers to it here (towards the end of the article) http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/science/viewing-where-the-internet-goes= .html?_r=3D0 Meanwhile a later piece of history is below =E2=80=93 John Quartermans = 1990 713 page book of all existing networks he could locate. Not all of = these were TCP/IP at the time but over a period of about 3 years from = then they would have all adopted TCP/IP or folded. http://books.google.com.au/books/about/The_Matrix.html?id=3DkwIjAAAAMAAJ&= redir_esc=3Dy Ian Peter From: Zach Lym=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:23 AM To: nethistory@ietf.org=20 Subject: [Nethistory] DNS-in-a-wallet My apologies if this is the wrong list to post this to, but I have a = historical anecdote that I'm trying to chase down. I thought this was = the most appropriate forum to do so. I had a memory of one of the early internet engineers storing a copy of = the IP address allocations or DNS mappings in her/his wallet. Then if = someone asked her/him for and IP or domain (I can't remember which) s/he = would write it down on the list and then update the server when s/he got = back to it. I would be grateful if you could direct me to a better list or circulate = this email among knowledgeable individuals. Thank you,=20 -Zach Lym -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- _______________________________________________ Nethistory mailing list Nethistory@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nethistory ------=_NextPart_000_1425_01CF0648.E6EA7210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think the original story is that Bob Kahn had it on one card in = his=20 pocket, but when it expanded to two cards he gave it to Jon Postel to = manage.=20 Bob refers to it here (towards the end of the article)
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/science/viewing-where-the-intern= et-goes.html?_r=3D0
 
Meanwhile a later piece of history is below =E2=80=93 John = Quartermans 1990 713=20 page book of all existing networks he could locate. Not all of these = were TCP/IP=20 at the time but over a period of about 3 years from then they would have = all=20 adopted TCP/IP or folded.
 
http://books.google.com.au/books/about/The_Matrix.html?id=3DkwIjAA= AAMAAJ&redir_esc=3Dy
 
Ian Peter
 
 
From: Zach Lym
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:23 AM
Subject: [Nethistory] DNS-in-a-wallet
 
My apologies if this is the wrong list to post this to, but I have = a=20 historical anecdote that I'm trying to chase down.  I thought this = was the=20 most appropriate forum to do so.

I had a memory of one of = the early=20 internet engineers storing a copy of the IP address allocations or DNS = mappings=20 in her/his wallet.  Then if someone asked her/him for and IP or = domain (I=20 can't remember which) s/he would write it down on the list and then = update the=20 server when s/he got back to it.
 
I would be grateful if you could direct me to a better list or = circulate=20 this email among knowledgeable individuals.
 
Thank you,=20
-Zach Lym

_______________________________________________
Nethistory mailing=20 list
Nethistory@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/neth= istory
------=_NextPart_000_1425_01CF0648.E6EA7210-- From indolering@gmail.com Tue Dec 31 23:29:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nethistory@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7AF1AE3D8 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 23:29:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.377 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.377 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OvNQv9lkms6V for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 23:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pb0-x22f.google.com (mail-pb0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::22f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392CF1AE3D7 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 23:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id um1so13291980pbc.34 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 23:29:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=A3oFNaAWwmNBpdtWqE49BHH7uoBKeHD4a2YlfMAbVlU=; b=JNSORTaBy4vLG27nhNVhc+X2Uvz2AQ6gKk9EIffCLgVaW+BuTthlpMVLE3ojlz104e KEz7mpxo2oXbPoR0+T+fdPoNLpyEQi/CXZ8qqWfg/XhWuJd6/evflLrahTbtIlI2MTgM NESVw0V27eZeQmoUQnLDhmRrJqcuPY97o98ChiSakqEb4VeJpCp3OBAQqT7ZuJq5pCxx zD5jusHqbQsuPOMf2IaA01MJTAOn9kPH6b3PG8Wx3LqHILUa77WBawKXWwK4G/EgeL6m iDaZoF0XodUEdphYG+0fhibiqNBtaoDsDL0Q5Z68chSzWJm1KgfBHi38WwEtghr/VBxM yhpA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=indolering.com; s=google; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=A3oFNaAWwmNBpdtWqE49BHH7uoBKeHD4a2YlfMAbVlU=; b=PfTq4ITyZMQkxXndV0JQhsDsQqWYTlXNI8LzVkKJIvwhaGHmf5ZrqQVUbgwwogJwpR LEj2Fh5m7ro+edWHrPUlrP60fzyeez4UBhdNBj50DrwJT74MhXuKLTSJmxEfuaOGEdsH YorjeTH/iweQIlC7zg3mBEQ/asVtR3HwvzBTw= X-Received: by 10.68.164.131 with SMTP id yq3mr80717382pbb.56.1388561358794; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 23:29:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: indolering@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.46.169 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2013 23:28:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6556602F029841FBB522589C7C4C6473@Toshiba> References: <6556602F029841FBB522589C7C4C6473@Toshiba> From: Zach Lym Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 00:28:38 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cKTG50dQxIRZ1ETrVAXpXz1ieY8 Message-ID: To: Ian Peter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a9b8e8a356604eee3a2a1 Cc: nethistory@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Nethistory] DNS-in-a-wallet X-BeenThere: nethistory@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Matching net historical materials with institutions that may preserve them List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2014 07:29:27 -0000 --047d7b3a9b8e8a356604eee3a2a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Peter, you have made my night! Any chance you could help clarify if it was just IP addresses allocations or whether it included domain names as well? It part of a presentation I am giving on Namecoin DNS. Bob's email would be idea? Thank you, -Zach Lym On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > I think the original story is that Bob Kahn had it on one card in his > pocket, but when it expanded to two cards he gave it to Jon Postel to > manage. Bob refers to it here (towards the end of the article) > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/science/viewing-where-the-internet-goes= .html?_r=3D0 > > Meanwhile a later piece of history is below =96 John Quartermans 1990 713 > page book of all existing networks he could locate. Not all of these were > TCP/IP at the time but over a period of about 3 years from then they woul= d > have all adopted TCP/IP or folded. > > > http://books.google.com.au/books/about/The_Matrix.html?id=3DkwIjAAAAMAAJ&= redir_esc=3Dy > > Ian Peter > > > *From:* Zach Lym > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:23 AM > *To:* nethistory@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Nethistory] DNS-in-a-wallet > > My apologies if this is the wrong list to post this to, but I have a > historical anecdote that I'm trying to chase down. I thought this was th= e > most appropriate forum to do so. > > I had a memory of one of the early internet engineers storing a copy of > the IP address allocations or DNS mappings in her/his wallet. Then if > someone asked her/him for and IP or domain (I can't remember which) s/he > would write it down on the list and then update the server when s/he got > back to it. > > I would be grateful if you could direct me to a better list or circulate > this email among knowledgeable individuals. > > Thank you, > -Zach Lym > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Nethistory mailing list > Nethistory@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nethistory > > --047d7b3a9b8e8a356604eee3a2a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Peter, you have made my night! =A0Any chance you= could help clarify if it was just IP addresses allocations or whether it i= ncluded domain names as well?

It part of a presentation = I am giving on Namecoin DNS. =A0Bob's email would be idea?

Thank you,
-Zac= h Lym


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Ian Pe= ter <ian.peter@ianpeter.com> wrote:
I think the original story is that Bob Kahn had it on one card in his= =20 pocket, but when it expanded to two cards he gave it to Jon Postel to manag= e.=20 Bob refers to it here (towards the end of the article)
=A0
=A0
Ian Peter
=A0
=A0
From: Zach Lym
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:23 AM
Subject: [Nethistory] DNS-in-a-wallet
=A0
My apologies if this is the wrong list to post this to, but I have a= =20 historical anecdote that I'm trying to chase down.=A0 I thought this wa= s the=20 most appropriate forum to do so.

I had a memory of one of the = early=20 internet engineers storing a copy of the IP address allocations or DNS mapp= ings=20 in her/his wallet.=A0 Then if someone asked her/him for and IP or domain (I= =20 can't remember which) s/he would write it down on the list and then upd= ate the=20 server when s/he got back to it.
=A0
I would be grateful if you could direct me to a better list or circula= te=20 this email among knowledgeable individuals.
=A0
Thank you,=20
-Zach Lym

_______________________________________________
Nethistory mailing=20 list
Nethistory= @ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nethistory


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